March 21, 2024 • 33 mins
In this hour of The Herd, FOX Sports NFL analyst and former USC quarterback Mark Sanchez joins Colin to reflect on USC quarterback Caleb Williams' Pro Day in Los Angeles, the quarterback dilemma in Pittsburgh, and why he's high on North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Jmak with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I've been waiting two hours to talk about this story.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I thought you might lead with it. So last night
the Clippers snapped like a skid with a nice blowout
of the Blazers. But the most interesting moment happened. Look
closely at the screen. James Harden kicks it to Kawhi
in the corner and then goes and pretends.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
To block his shot.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Look at this puts a hand up in the face
of his own teammates.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Well, when you're up twenty one, you do dumb things.
But that is the mark of an unserious player, someone
who's just all we're just goofing around.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's to play go. This is an like two minutes
left in the game.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Anyways, here's what Harden had to say about this goof
off moment after the game.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Got to bring some excitement to.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The change, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I think this last Q weeks has been the fall
for us on the math. I don't think every team
goes to us. So I think it just me just
trying to create a get energy. Agree and maybe any
better made the shot with him. Let's give someone to
give someone laughs about, laugh about you know, I mean
some excitement.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Though I couldn't hear it what he said.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So he's trying to bring levity to the moment, bring
some excitement to the team because they're in They've been
in a funk for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
There's a million ways to bring some excitement to the
team without doing this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
That's a that's embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The Blazers are like, what.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Are you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
It's a little disrespectful of the game, isn't it. You're
up twenty when you try to block your own guy's shot.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Harden's always been a little different. I thought it was
just weird.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I watched it. I'm like James, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You don't you thought I was gonna that you're gonna
lead with that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
James hard and goof off, clown.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
What are you doing? Buddy?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Did not make my top twelve things?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
All right, let's get to the next story.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Is Victor weh He is a big dog. But guess
who's overtaken him with a great run here and that's
Chet Holmgren.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Colin. He's playing really well home.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Gren, dropping thirty five and fourteen in a win over
the Jazz Thunder, still number one seed in the West.
I will add Chet Holmgren recently walked out of a
concert with Drake and Little Dirk.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You don't know who those guys are?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I do know who they are?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Oh you do?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Sorry, my bad?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I know I am a fan of both.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, anyway, so it Chet got a little swaggy look cool.
I mean it's gangly seven footer walking out with a
couple round.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I root for gone Zaga guys.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yes, by the way, I had a lot of money
on them a few years ago with Chet and they
got smoked.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And I think the Sweet sixteen I.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Still remember that. Do you like this?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Okact?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well? I think what I think is amazing is is
Wemby will get the discussion. But Homegrun's offensive like looks
like he's a notch above. They're both terrific and I
think they're the future of the league in terms of
seven foot guys who play like six to eight guys.
I think the world's changing.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
The problem is that I don't want to use a
bad word here, but like Zion is kind of different.
Whether it's body type of stuff he's doing is freaky. Yeah,
Ched Holmgren is a little freaky too.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
With that length in the like.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They're just feel we're getting different body types and people
now at seven feet can do what six seven guys ken.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But is there is the longevity possible?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I don't. I don't know. I mean, it's different to
have a seven foot three body, but I think a
lot of that is And I think Sam Presty's very sharp,
but I think the spurs are sharp. I think when
you get unique body types and let's just say tall
and thin, we've Zions is historically unique. Where you're struggling
with a weight issue, it's usually you're trying to put
weight on a big guy. I've long believed and said this.
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I would play guys like Homegroun and Wemby in the
first couple of years to sixty games. I would try
to avoid back to backs. I think the stress on
your body from college or international of the NBA is overwhelming.
You don't see a lot of point guards getting hurt,
so it's more compact athletes don't so I think as
long as they're in good organizations Okac and San Antonio are,
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and that you bring them along without the urge. It's
like in the NFL you have to start week one
or Kansas City lets Mahomes sit out for a year.
The good organizations tailored these careers too slowly over the
course of two or three years. And I don't think
you should ever play a guy with that size eighty
two games. Yeah, I think that those body types, I mean,
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they're just more body to get hurt.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
They're just seven footers. There's no a rich history of
them playing.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You don't need to play Wemby or Chet Holmgren eighty two.
Can you max out at seventy six and after four
or five years out of their prime seventy that's okay too.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Final story is last week there was a story about
Dion Sanders recruiting practices.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Couventing is lack of off.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Campus recruiting visits, including an unused two hundred thousand dollars
travel budget. Well yesterday, Coach Prime addressed the story at
his spring football conference.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
My approach is totally different than many coaches approach. Sometimes.
I look, I'm a businessman as well, so I try
to save our university money every daring chance I get.
We target mostly guys is in the portal. When do
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you make visits to portal guys' homes? Anybody do that?
Do they do that? I don't do anybody. Have you
guys heard of that going there? It's this showcase for me.
This is blowing money. It's blowing a bag. Don't make sense,
and I can't do the things other coaches can do.
You know why, I'm coach Prime, and i'd instead of
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when I said it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So would Rick Buker's bagging on Lebron earlier in the
show for some of the stuff Lebron said, Is he
gonna feel the same way about some of the stuff
Deon Sanderson. Because I'm coach Prime, you need to start
referring to yourself in the third person.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Because I'm Colin Cowhert, I'm a most heard I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
This is a little silly.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, but I think if we want people to be authentic,
he is different. Coach Deon Sanders, Coach Prime walks in
and there's a star factor. And I think that's just
different and I and that's okay. He leans into it.
He's got a dude, He's got, you know, a gravitas
about him. The other coaches don't. And he should play
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that up as the greatest cornerback in league history. I'm
I am for leaning into whatever you are as long
as it works, and it's working for him.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
You know what I really like here? If you listen closely,
do we target guys in the portal? I love these
five star.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Guys coming out of high school. That's nice, but I
want guys in the portal ready made.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And that's also sending a signal, Hey, if you want
to transfer, I want guys in the portal. Deon crush
The portal really helped them last year. We'll see what
happens this offseason. But Colin, that is the new way
to build a college football team quickly?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Will you take it? A twenty one to twenty two.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Year older, I would rather do half high school, half portal.
I still think.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
They're seventy five to twenty five. Man, that's what it
feels like. Can an eighteen year old help you the
way at twenty one? Twenty two year old?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Can well again? What is your tarmac? Are you going
to be at Colorado forever? Or are you gonna? I
think we both know the answer. No, I don't. I
don't know. I think he's having a heck of a
time and I don't think Dion wants to coach in
the NFL. How do you know he's not having a
ball here?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
His son is going to be a top ten pick
likely next year.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Right, he's gonna be a top three, picky.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Top whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And there's gonna be some pretty nice jobs open in
the NFL, though Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Job could be. He doesn't want that job. Dion has
Deon likes to be able to ride a kid a
little bit to get him to play. Can't do that
to the NFL guys. By the way, his son, I'll
make an argument if Shador Sanders was available in this draft,
I'd take him second.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
So hold on, back up, why can't Dion get on
NFL players cases?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They all look up to him.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He's a superstar. They look up to him, their parents
look up to him.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I think Dion will work really well in the NFL.
I don't think there's like a I'd make more money
than you, like I'm Deon Sanders, right, the third person.
I made a lot of money. I'm in the Hall
of Fame. I've done I've accomplished more than like ninety
eight percent of NFL players.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You don't think they're gonna let him get on their case.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think he'll. I think he's gonna work great in
the NFL. May it's interesting, I just swade you didn't
I well, I think it's interesting. I'm not convinced of anything.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I hear Sanchez over here coming up next. He's like,
Oh mcintarre, great.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Point, that's not what he said. J Mack with the News.
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Speaker 1 (09:34):
Ten years in the NFL, a noted quarterback evaluator of
some esteem, Mark Sanchez is now joining us. How are
you good to see you?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Excellent? And we got most we've got note books. I
got it off.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know. I love that. So Caleb Williams had his
pro day. I saw ten minutes of it, miss on
a couple of throws. What did you make of it?
What did you see? What did you make of it?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I think, most importantly, I view pro days as a
pass fail. I don't think it's going to override what
you've done and put on film. I don't think it's
going to override all the visits you've taken and all
the private workouts you do. But you also have to
have some sort of expectation that Listen, you got five
to seven guys that you played with over the last
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couple of years. You're going to rehearse this routine and
throw anywhere from forty to sixty footballs on air without
a defense. It's a pretty light load when it comes
to mental gymnastics. There's no coverages, blitzes. You're not running
for your life. It is drop back, hit your back foot, reset,
and cut the ball loose. I don't expect the football
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to hit the ground much, right, And maybe I'm too
harsh as a greater, but come on, that's I mean,
this is like a no brainer, in my opinion, a prerequisite.
This is standard. Okay. So for Caleb, I thought he
assessed it perfectly when he was on the show. He
just immediately owned the deep balls that he missed and
those were the only takeaways I had. Everything else was perfect.
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It looked effortless, it looked, you know, twenty five yards
and shorter. Was I mean, just dimes on a money
ball spinning. Now a couple of them got squirrely to
the right, the deep ball to the right, and then
he finished on this monster heave to Brendan Rice running
out the back door. I mean that was perfect. I
think he showed some of the things that people might
have been concerned about, being able to go from under center,
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take seven step drops, do your hardcore you know, wide
zone action, back to the defense, flip your head and
your hips and your eyes around and hit it moving target. Yes,
he checked all those boxes, So to me, it's a
pass all the way. Would I like to see every
ball completed? Sure, we're on air. I don't want to,
you know, you should beat air. It's just my take.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Is there an argument to be made that playing in
Los Angeles, big expectations and being paid while you're doing it.
Ni Yale, he's the first NAL superstar, the big yep
that it was kind of an advantage preparing him for
the league.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Well, I think it's a great, great experience, as you mentioned,
advantage for him because that's what it's like in the NFL,
and especially if he goes to somewhere like Chicago, which
is arguably as tough a market as New York. I mean,
at least New York has two teams to beat up on.
Chicago's got one, and they beat up on him just
as hard as Mitch Trubisky asked Mike Glennon. I was
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in the quarterback room with him, and sometimes things happen
for a reason. I was the you know, coaching cleats
kind of deal, didn't suit up for any games, was
a backup type guy, and because of my experience in
New York, I was able to impart some knowledge on
those guys because that that's normal. Dude, this is the
way it is. And croshed right, But this was his
rookie year. I mean one game it's, oh, we took
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the wrong draft pick. Then the next game is he's
our savior. We're going to the super Bowl. Eighty five
Bears here we come. I mean, it's such a roller coaster.
So he's felt some of that in Los Angeles and
now moving to this other market, whatever it is, it's
gonna be a pretty good size market wherever he goes.
We're assuming Chicago. If it is, it's just as big
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as anything else.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
All this talk about different players and first round, second round,
the Sam Darnold situation is interesting. I love Minnesota's offensive personnel,
and I do think Sam is liked by the right people.
Shanahan liked him. I've been told McVeigh likes him. Kevin
O'Connell nothing against Brian Flores. He didn't like too a.
Mike McDaniel did well. The offensive coach was right. They
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speak a different language. The Minnesota situation, them moving up
makes a ton of sense. That's why they accumulate a
second pick. But I said yesterday, I could see Sam
having a Baker redemption year where you look up and
you're like, those pretty good weapons.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Well, yes, and how do you view it. It's also
a philosophy thing. I don't want this to get lost
with people and it just kind of gets caught up
in the fray all the time. But when you commit
to that guy as a starter and it's gonna and
it's going to work, come hell or high water, I
don't care if you're in this building. We are going
to make Sam, Darnold Baker, Mayfield, whoever it is. Successful.
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There's something to that instead of well let's see how
he does and if not, we'll just go get another one. Yeah,
you know what I mean. There's some sort of commitment
of the you know, Cortez analogy, felt it, totally felt it,
the Cortez analogy. Burn the boats. Once you get to
the to the new land, burn the boats. You ain't
coming back. Make it work out there. So that is
a mentality. And when everybody's on that page, on that
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same you know, on that same wavelength, there's no other option.
This is our guy. We don't care what anybody else says,
and we're going to make it work. The antithesis of
that would probably be somewhere like Pittsburgh where everybody's like
looking around like, well, who it's him or him? Or ooh,
this is tough. I don't I don't know what to
do with that. It's hard. It's really hard for both
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guys because they want to be professional, but there's a
killer instinct in both of them to go win. You're
probably gonna make plays, yeah, and they want to be
the guy. And oh, by the way, there's only one
one guy who gets to take the snap every play. Okay,
it's not like receiver, it's not like tight end, it's
not like running back. There's one and when you have
more than one, sometimes you have none. So I feel
like that mentality of making it work with whatever quarterback
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you have is important.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, the Steelers is interesting because I had said this
earlier with j Mac. I have to believe that Russell
and his agent got some assurances. I would think you.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Would think, right, I don't know that was that one
really caught me by surprise. And maybe maybe it's a
a choir capital and later on, you know, we got
a we got a big We got a big opportunity
to unload one of these guys somewhere when there's a
need in camp or whatever and call, you know, quarterback
a's outperforming quarterback B, and hey, you guys want him
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for a second rounder? You know, your guy just went down?
How bad do you want him? What else are you
gonna give us? You know what I mean? Maybe it's that,
And maybe they have the aerial view of the parade
and they can see the finish line. I can't. I'm
caught up in the fans and the chaos right now
and the you know, I just can't see that. But
who knows that they hopefully have plenty.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I was thinking about this a couple of days ago.
So let's say the draft is done and I want.
I would think to my this is just the way
I am, probably the same way I want that. I
want the playbook. I don't care about my contract. Get
me the playbook. Last thing I want to do is
banging over a million. When am I gonna make my
real money in the second third contract? For these quarterbacks
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who are all going to get taken mostly in the
first round or high second, we tend to think you're
drafted the anxiety lead.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
No, it's just starting.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
How long did you have to wait for a jet playbook?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, you know, I don't think we can get in
trouble for anything we did back then now. But you
there's like a couple of weeks. I came back home
after getting drafted, graduated school, walked in like commencement or
did something like that, and then you go back and
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you there for kind of a week before rookie camp.
So there's a few weeks in between where you're kind
of training on your own, trying to call up guys
that are on the team. You're going to working out
in UH at Columbia University and in Manhattan. UH. You know,
and you didn't throw on the ball around a Chancey
Stuckey and Dustin Keller and Leon Washington and then we're
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going to have our rookie training camp coming up or
mini camp excuse me. And you're, you know, learning plays
from players and you remember the playbook they gave you
during the draft process, so you're studying that and it's
like two installs worth of plays. So it's I mean,
it is a weird couple weeks, almost a month of
existence because you kind of get forgotten about and those
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are some of the most important days leading up to it.
And some of it has to do with like when
you when you graduate, so if you're on a quarter system,
you can't quite join the team yet and they have
to schedule things around that. It is a weird, weird
time with strange existence for quarterbacks right after the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's why I think maturities really important.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Oh no doubt. And you're trying to figure it out.
I mean, we're trying to figure out who these kids are.
These kids are trying to figure out who they are
at the same time, and so there's there's so much
more that goes into it. And that's why we talk
about the this this idea that that is at the
talent level, is it the system you go to. Is
it the fit, is it the commitment to whoever's under
center is our guy? I mean all those things factor
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in and that's why I mean, I'm gonna tease this
a little bit. But this Drake May stuff. I'm falling
in love with this kid more and more as I
watch him. I'm like, I mean that Carolina Blue looks nice.
I'm just telling you, I like, i mean James Taylor
in my mind, I'm gone to Carolina Baby. This dude,
I'm I'm on them right now. I like him a lot.
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay, so Mark, good stuff for it. Mark is our Santa.
He always bears kiffs. He doesn't have the beard of
the gray hair that's mine. But we're gonna take a break. Mark,
who does such a good job on this and look
at film. You know it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
My end.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I watched bo Nicks live and so I really like this.
No nobody likes him now he's dropping. I watched Panix
live and I fell in love. And then you know,
I start talking to people and they talked me out
of it. The Drake May is the fascinating one because
the he does look like Justin Herbert oh, his silhouette.
It's a strong, tall, sturdy all right. So we have
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video coming back with Mark Sanchez live in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
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Speaker 1 (19:31):
Ten years in the NFL, Jets, Eagles, Cowboys, Washington and
when Mark Sanchez comes on, he often brings a video
for us to break it down. And you know, I've
said a couple of years ago there was a bad
quarterback class, but it was a COVID year, so Trey
Lance barely played BYU had a uniquely weak schedule, and
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so all those quarterbacks just really struggled. The only one
that didn't Trevor Lawrence, but he played as a freshman
pre COVID. So this year it's different. Mark bow Nicks
has sixty one college starts, Michael Pennock like fifty. I
just feel like there are fewer surprises. Now. That doesn't
mean the quarterbacks are better, exactly right, But they've played
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like full seasons, no zoom meetings coaches exactly right. So
I do think this is a promising draft, that's my takeaway.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I think so too. I think some of these guys
more promising than others, and a lot of it will
depend on where they land. But every time you go
into this deep dive of quarterbacks, if you've watched forensic files, yeah,
I'm looking for clues. I want motive. I want my
black light looking for blood splatter and all that. That's
what I'm doing. And I want to see this guy
after he throws an interception. I want to see him
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on third down, fourth down. I want to see him
in the red zone. I want to see him in
a dirty, muddy pocket where he can't totally step into
the throw. I want to see what it looks like
when he's ahead, when he's coming back on a drive
down fourteen in the fourth quarter. Who is this guy?
I also go back and I watch, you know what
I watch because they're gonna be the face of my franchise.
I go watch their postgame press conferences after a lot
thank you, I really do. I just want to know
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and listen. Some people think it's silly, but you know
you're backwards hat deal. Is he a backwards hat guy?
Is he not? Like he does? He stand at the
podium and own the room and own the mistake, and hey,
we're gonna get better. And it starts with me, like
I look at that stuff. I think that's important. It's something,
it's not everything, and all those things factor into Okay,
what's my judgment? What's my assessment of this whole crime
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scene here? You know what I mean? So when you
talk about Drake May, yeah, just some things that stand
out to me. The pedigree youngest of four boys, all
superstar athletes. Dad played quarterback in college. I like that.
What do we get when we go to dog breeders?
We want to know their dad was a champion this,
and mom was a champion that, and you know, it's
just like horses, right, You're like, okay, what do we got?
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Who's he coming from? Where's he coming from? Kid played
basketball in high school? Dude's junior year, junior year, sixteen
points averaging sixteen points. Is a junior that's pretty good.
Maybe not a starter a Duke or Northlina as a
basketball player. But what made me like jump out of
my chair. Eleven plus rebounds a game. Eleven plus rebounds
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a game. Rebounding is an attitude. Rebounding his anticipation, going
to box out another guy. Rebounding tells me This dude's tough.
Yeah he wants it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You bet.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You gotta want a rebound. It's not just an accident.
So that showed me a little something. Then you watch
him play whole. He smokes all of six four plus, big, tall, strong,
he he's more of the Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Drew
Bledsoe body type, justin Herbert body type. Yeah than maybe
some of these other guys where you're like, is he
six foot? Is he six to one six one and
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a half. You know, did he have lifts and his shoes?
I don't know, but I like what I see. And
the dude launches the ball. When a guy's open, he
keeps him open with the throw. You know what I mean,
those kind of those kind of things, deep ball stuff.
Oh it's ball jumps out of his hand nail. Because
I have a big body. Those which one of those
big guys didn't have a big arm. They all do
because they're big, strong, sturdy guys that can cut the
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ball loose from a high point up here. That's different.
Puts a little more torque, little more juice on the ball.
So let's get to the clips. The first one we're
gonna show is always the bad clip. We're gonna beat
them up and then build him back up. So this
first clip is interesting because you could tell he knows
he's gonna get Manda Man. He's got a quick little
play action. But he sees these safeties communicate and when
safeties rock and roll with a crossball motion, that tells
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me Manda Man across the board. Okay. That means I
got guys running away on their routes. And now this
receiver down at the bottom is gonna run a big
in route. Okay, he's gonna be ripping across the field,
which means you gotta have anticipation, and there are specific
windows for this in route to hit. He starts on
the right hash, so just inside the left hash is
the catch point. You get in the yellow, it's getting
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a little dicey. You get back over the ball in
the red. We don't want to throw that ball there
because the DB's beat early on. Late in the down,
the dB catches up. These are the plays you get
away with in high school. But watch his eyes. He
wants to throw down the middle pocket breaks down. I'm
on the run. Okay, now I'm looking in the flat. No,
I don't want them, and I flash back. You show
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me this right here, you just pause the film and
don't show me the play. If I didn't know it's
an interception, I'd say it might be because look where's
that ball going back across the field. And then this.
We talked about this with Caleb a couple weeks ago.
I don't want them taking those hits. So listen, do
we have to correct some of this stuff, yes, But
you know what else I saw that was promising about
this kid only one interception on third down and fourth down.
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Most of his interceptions are coming on first and second down.
What does that tell me? Hey, we just got to
take care of the ball. You're gonna get me three
more plays. We might break a tackle, we might. So
you got to teach this kid a little bit about
the game, a little bit about taking care of the
football on first and second down, but when it's time
to cut it loose on third and fourth down. This
kid is nails through twenty one touchdowns. So, okay, I
can coach that out of them in my opinion. Now
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go to the good. Now. I want to look for
stuff that he can recognize. It's an empty formation, okay,
what's his awareness? Level and empty. You have no backs
to block anybody. There's no safety in the middle of
the field. I mean it is Antena is up. Man,
you're getting heat and you're getting eat from this left side.
You could see the whole thing start to overload from
the left. So what does he do. He casually drifts
to the right side. He knows he's got one on
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one and he's got a tackle almost in his lap.
He can barely step forward on this throw. So what
does he do. He used that big frame, that tall, strong,
sturdy frame, and just drops this thing. Look at the anticipation.
This ball's out before the guy's turned around, before he's
beat the safety, and he drops it in the perfect spot.
He keeps him open. He pushes him open with this
throw in the back corner. That right there. Oo, Mama,
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I can work with that. I can work with that kid.
And the way he extends plays, I mean, you could
tell he's a basketball player. You could tell he's tough.
You could tell The film tells me everything I told
you pre film about being the youngest of four boys.
The kid throw a left handed touchdown pass against Pitt
on a broken play, left handed from like the six
yard line. You're telling me this guy can't make plays.
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You're telling me this guy can't extend the ball. You're
telling me this guy can't lead your team and be
the face of your franchise. Can I I'd like, I'm
starting to fall in love with this kid.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So a lot of times in college football you play regionally.
So Jaden Daniels has played in warm Weather Arizona State
and warm Weather Baton Rouge. What if he gets drafted
to New England.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
No, No Washington, Jaden.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Daniel's freezing, freezing.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I mean, I'm so.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Colbut but it is so My takeaway is Caleb's a
power thrower. This kid looks like justin Herbert bo Nicks
is not a big dick deep throw guy. Jaden Daniels
looks a little slender in the legs. For me, we've
fallen in love with this idea that size doesn't matter.
(26:39):
When I watch your Drake may stuff, is it reasonable
for me to say he's just bigger than Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I mean, he's a different type of player. It's a
different formula to win. You're not going to get the
guy that outruns sec DB's like Jayden Daniels in Drake May,
but that's not going to be your formula to win.
He's going to extend plays, He's going to pick up
ten to twenty yards a clip at times. But the
threat of him keeping the ball on zone read is enough.
(27:05):
The threat of him faking you know, zone and running
naked out the back door with receivers downfield, and him
just keeping it for nine, ten to eleven yards advancing
the chains, the threat is plenty. I don't need him
to rush for one hundred yards a game. I need
him to rush for thirty and two key first downs.
And this kid can more than do that. So it's
I mean, there's a lot there to work with.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's interesting about the deep ball. So, for instance, I
think Mahomes has graduated to upper level quarterbacking by throwing
it less, because I never doubt that. Same with Josh Allen. Sure,
I thought what Mahomes has done the last two years
is so deadly, I'll just take the layups. Sure, first
couple of years it.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Was shown off a little, it was a little more,
you know, But it's also once again formula to win
with your personnel. If Tyreek's not in the game anymore,
that's right, You're potentially not going to have that guy
that blows the top off like a Deshaun Jackson, like
a Randy Moss, like you know Brady's year with Randy Moss,
I mean bombs away. That's like, are you kidding me?
You couldn't look at a game without going wow?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
But when the personnel changes, now what and he has
elevated his game mentally and his processing is so elite,
I can win with any formula. I'm gonna get to
the answer. Just tell me how I got to get there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So let me ask you. Drake May's got a big arm.
Caleb to me, is a power thrower. When you were
in the sport, were there ever I always thought you
had a good army? So were there ever times you thought, Man,
I wish I had blanket?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
The only thing? And looking back, you can only change
so much. But at six ' two and the little
change what I've loved to be six four absolutely okay,
because I have these big hands. So when you have
big hands, and you'll see this on Drake's tape too,
But when you pump fake from the pocket, if you're
six foot, that safety ain't You can't see it?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You know what I mean, Drake all over his tape.
It's one handed fakes. And you could tell when guys
have small fans when they have to do the two
hand fake unless they're taught that, which nobody really is anymore.
But if you can one hand the ball and then
get it right back in the throwing pocket and then
complete it, I mean that is something because you start manipulating.
I mean you start looking at old school clips of
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Akman Marino Elway. Those two sort of big, strong, tough
dudes took tons of hits way back when they didn't
protect quarterbacks. They would pump fake the ball and then
rip a ball down the middle and then get hit
in the chin. Like that's he's more that than this
newer age version of quarterback. And he has enough of
the new age version because he's so athletic because he's
(29:36):
a hooper. So I think you get the best of
both worlds in my opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I remember Eric Allen, the former dB, faced Big
Ben and he said, yeah, I mean he goes, I'd
never seen the guy. It's like a nerf ball. Yeah,
he goes like bit on that thing about twice. Absolutely, Yeah,
So it is an advantage. So let's wrap it up
with this. When Pro day, Caleb just had his Do
(30:05):
you think these quarterbacks this year, maybe more than ever,
kind of know where they're going? Did you know?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Ooh?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This is because I think this is such a nerve
wracking time for kids. Everybody's puffing you up. Do you
think these guys have a real sense of where they're going?
Or is it all a.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Mirage they do and they don't. There's there's that mirage
idea to it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
If you were a five, you were fifth, so.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Right, But I was told the night before the draft
by Seattle that we're taking you at four if you're available,
and they took Aaron Curry linebacker way for us. So
I was like, and we had all the cameras in
the house and all the family there and agents and friends,
and I'm like, uh oh, this give me bad. What
if I don't go today? What if I and then
the very next pick the Jets straight up from fifteen
(30:49):
or whatever they were and pick me. So I think
there's gonna be some of that. Somebody's gonna make a
run on one of these guys, whether it's Drake, Jaden JJ,
somebody other than Caleb right, because we kind of think
that's Caleb's a clear cut number one. Same during my
year with Stafford, I tripped out to Detroit and I
was like, why am I here? We all know what
you guys are doing. You love Stafford, like the cats
(31:12):
out of the bag. It's all good, But why am
I here? I don't want to waste your time, to
waste my time kind of thing. So I think Caleb's
a lead pipe lock. I want to say j Mac,
But I don't know. Somebody's going to make a move
for one of these guys and it's going to shock everybody,
I really think.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So, yeah, I just keep looking at Minnesota, and I
keep looking at Arizona and the Chargers. I mean, the
best position in the NFL during the draft, you have
a star quarterback in your top ten? Yes, I mean
the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Because you're above almost that rat race for this that's right, yeah,
right there.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And both have like four absolute needs minimum and so
and the.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Teams that need one are like the you know, the
person that gets bit by the zombie and the apocalyptic movie.
They're just like foaming at the mouth to go get
these guys, you know what I mean. And it's like obvious,
like okay, and if you're above that, it's like, I mean,
if you come on, give me some fix, come get
your guys.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
If you're the GM of the Chargers or Arizona, you
go into the draft and think this is fun.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
You're feeling good here a little bit oneasy one. I mean,
there's a lot of work to do in the draft
in general, but there's just less stress. I imagine.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
All right, j Mac is scouring March Madness Highlight. We
have any upsets, it's very early. A lot of the
low seeds.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Playing nothing remotely as interesting as Drake may.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Was that good or what? Because you don't like, I
don't say, I don't like he's Justin Herbert, but he
is inconsistent.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Well Justin wasn't the most consistent in college either. There
four different coordinators. He won the Rose Bowl with his
legs by himself. So you don't know for sure what
you're gonna get. Can you put him under center? Can
he turn his back to the defense, Well, apparently he
can with the right coaching.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Breaking news mark number eleven seed Dukine is about to
upset b Yu.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Oh that's gonna ruin my bracket.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
What do you have BYU wining B.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Why are you moaning winning Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I've been waiting two hours to talk about this story.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I thought you might lead with it. So last night
the Clippers snapped like a skid with a nice blowout
of the Blazers. But the most interesting moment happened. Look
closely at the screen. James Harden kicks it to Kawhi
in the corner and then goes and pretends.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
To block his shot.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Look at this puts a hand up in the face
of his own teammates.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Well, when you're up twenty one, you do dumb things.
But that is the mark of an unserious player, someone
who's just all we're just goofing around.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's to play go. This is an like two minutes
left in the game.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Anyways, here's what Harden had to say about this goof
off moment after the game.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Got to bring some excitement to.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The change, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I think this last Q weeks has been the fall
for us on the math. I don't think every team
goes to us. So I think it just me just
trying to create a get energy. Agree and maybe any
better made the shot with him. Let's give someone to
give someone laughs about, laugh about you know, I mean
some excitement.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Though I couldn't hear it what he said.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So he's trying to bring levity to the moment, bring
some excitement to the team because they're in They've been
in a funk for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
There's a million ways to bring some excitement to the
team without doing this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
That's a that's embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The Blazers are like, what.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Are you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
It's a little disrespectful of the game, isn't it. You're
up twenty when you try to block your own guy's shot.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Harden's always been a little different. I thought it was
just weird.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I watched it. I'm like James, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You don't you thought I was gonna that you're gonna
lead with that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
James hard and goof off, clown.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
What are you doing? Buddy?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Did not make my top twelve things?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
All right, let's get to the next story.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Is Victor weh He is a big dog. But guess
who's overtaken him with a great run here and that's
Chet Holmgren.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Colin. He's playing really well home.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Gren, dropping thirty five and fourteen in a win over
the Jazz Thunder, still number one seed in the West.
I will add Chet Holmgren recently walked out of a
concert with Drake and Little Dirk.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You don't know who those guys are?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I do know who they are?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Oh you do?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Sorry, my bad?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I know I am a fan of both.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, anyway, so it Chet got a little swaggy look cool.
I mean it's gangly seven footer walking out with a
couple round.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I root for gone Zaga guys.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yes, by the way, I had a lot of money
on them a few years ago with Chet and they
got smoked.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And I think the Sweet sixteen I.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Still remember that. Do you like this?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Okact?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well? I think what I think is amazing is is
Wemby will get the discussion. But Homegrun's offensive like looks
like he's a notch above. They're both terrific and I
think they're the future of the league in terms of
seven foot guys who play like six to eight guys.
I think the world's changing.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
The problem is that I don't want to use a
bad word here, but like Zion is kind of different.
Whether it's body type of stuff he's doing is freaky. Yeah,
Ched Holmgren is a little freaky too.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
With that length in the like.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They're just feel we're getting different body types and people
now at seven feet can do what six seven guys ken.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
But is there is the longevity possible?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I don't. I don't know. I mean, it's different to
have a seven foot three body, but I think a
lot of that is And I think Sam Presty's very sharp,
but I think the spurs are sharp. I think when
you get unique body types and let's just say tall
and thin, we've Zions is historically unique. Where you're struggling
with a weight issue, it's usually you're trying to put
weight on a big guy. I've long believed and said this.
(03:56):
I would play guys like Homegroun and Wemby in the
first couple of years to sixty games. I would try
to avoid back to backs. I think the stress on
your body from college or international of the NBA is overwhelming.
You don't see a lot of point guards getting hurt,
so it's more compact athletes don't so I think as
long as they're in good organizations Okac and San Antonio are,
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and that you bring them along without the urge. It's
like in the NFL you have to start week one
or Kansas City lets Mahomes sit out for a year.
The good organizations tailored these careers too slowly over the
course of two or three years. And I don't think
you should ever play a guy with that size eighty
two games. Yeah, I think that those body types, I mean,
(04:38):
they're just more body to get hurt.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
They're just seven footers. There's no a rich history of
them playing.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You don't need to play Wemby or Chet Holmgren eighty two.
Can you max out at seventy six and after four
or five years out of their prime seventy that's okay too.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Final story is last week there was a story about
Dion Sanders recruiting practices.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Couventing is lack of off.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Campus recruiting visits, including an unused two hundred thousand dollars
travel budget. Well yesterday, Coach Prime addressed the story at
his spring football conference.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
My approach is totally different than many coaches approach. Sometimes.
I look, I'm a businessman as well, so I try
to save our university money every daring chance I get.
We target mostly guys is in the portal. When do
(05:33):
you make visits to portal guys' homes? Anybody do that?
Do they do that? I don't do anybody. Have you
guys heard of that going there? It's this showcase for me.
This is blowing money. It's blowing a bag. Don't make sense,
and I can't do the things other coaches can do.
You know why, I'm coach Prime, and i'd instead of
(05:54):
when I said it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So would Rick Buker's bagging on Lebron earlier in the
show for some of the stuff Lebron said, Is he
gonna feel the same way about some of the stuff
Deon Sanderson. Because I'm coach Prime, you need to start
referring to yourself in the third person.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Because I'm Colin Cowhert, I'm a most heard I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
This is a little silly.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, but I think if we want people to be authentic,
he is different. Coach Deon Sanders, Coach Prime walks in
and there's a star factor. And I think that's just
different and I and that's okay. He leans into it.
He's got a dude, He's got, you know, a gravitas
about him. The other coaches don't. And he should play
(06:34):
that up as the greatest cornerback in league history. I'm
I am for leaning into whatever you are as long
as it works, and it's working for him.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
You know what I really like here? If you listen closely,
do we target guys in the portal? I love these
five star.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Guys coming out of high school. That's nice, but I
want guys in the portal ready made.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And that's also sending a signal, Hey, if you want
to transfer, I want guys in the portal. Deon crush
The portal really helped them last year. We'll see what
happens this offseason. But Colin, that is the new way
to build a college football team quickly?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Will you take it? A twenty one to twenty two.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Year older, I would rather do half high school, half portal.
I still think.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
They're seventy five to twenty five. Man, that's what it
feels like. Can an eighteen year old help you the
way at twenty one? Twenty two year old?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Can well again? What is your tarmac? Are you going
to be at Colorado forever? Or are you gonna? I
think we both know the answer. No, I don't. I
don't know. I think he's having a heck of a
time and I don't think Dion wants to coach in
the NFL. How do you know he's not having a
ball here?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
His son is going to be a top ten pick
likely next year.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Right, he's gonna be a top three, picky.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Top whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And there's gonna be some pretty nice jobs open in
the NFL, though Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Job could be. He doesn't want that job. Dion has
Deon likes to be able to ride a kid a
little bit to get him to play. Can't do that
to the NFL guys. By the way, his son, I'll
make an argument if Shador Sanders was available in this draft,
I'd take him second.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
So hold on, back up, why can't Dion get on
NFL players cases?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They all look up to him.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He's a superstar. They look up to him, their parents
look up to him.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I think Dion will work really well in the NFL.
I don't think there's like a I'd make more money
than you, like I'm Deon Sanders, right, the third person.
I made a lot of money. I'm in the Hall
of Fame. I've done I've accomplished more than like ninety
eight percent of NFL players.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You don't think they're gonna let him get on their case.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think he'll. I think he's gonna work great in
the NFL. May it's interesting, I just swade you didn't
I well, I think it's interesting. I'm not convinced of anything.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I hear Sanchez over here coming up next. He's like,
Oh mcintarre, great.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Point, that's not what he said. J Mack with the News.
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Speaker 1 (09:34):
Ten years in the NFL, a noted quarterback evaluator of
some esteem, Mark Sanchez is now joining us. How are
you good to see you?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Excellent? And we got most we've got note books. I
got it off.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know. I love that. So Caleb Williams had his
pro day. I saw ten minutes of it, miss on
a couple of throws. What did you make of it?
What did you see? What did you make of it?
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I think, most importantly, I view pro days as a
pass fail. I don't think it's going to override what
you've done and put on film. I don't think it's
going to override all the visits you've taken and all
the private workouts you do. But you also have to
have some sort of expectation that Listen, you got five
to seven guys that you played with over the last
(10:26):
couple of years. You're going to rehearse this routine and
throw anywhere from forty to sixty footballs on air without
a defense. It's a pretty light load when it comes
to mental gymnastics. There's no coverages, blitzes. You're not running
for your life. It is drop back, hit your back foot, reset,
and cut the ball loose. I don't expect the football
(10:46):
to hit the ground much, right, And maybe I'm too
harsh as a greater, but come on, that's I mean,
this is like a no brainer, in my opinion, a prerequisite.
This is standard. Okay. So for Caleb, I thought he
assessed it perfectly when he was on the show. He
just immediately owned the deep balls that he missed and
those were the only takeaways I had. Everything else was perfect.
(11:08):
It looked effortless, it looked, you know, twenty five yards
and shorter. Was I mean, just dimes on a money
ball spinning. Now a couple of them got squirrely to
the right, the deep ball to the right, and then
he finished on this monster heave to Brendan Rice running
out the back door. I mean that was perfect. I
think he showed some of the things that people might
have been concerned about, being able to go from under center,
(11:30):
take seven step drops, do your hardcore you know, wide
zone action, back to the defense, flip your head and
your hips and your eyes around and hit it moving target. Yes,
he checked all those boxes, So to me, it's a
pass all the way. Would I like to see every
ball completed? Sure, we're on air. I don't want to,
you know, you should beat air. It's just my take.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Is there an argument to be made that playing in
Los Angeles, big expectations and being paid while you're doing it.
Ni Yale, he's the first NAL superstar, the big yep
that it was kind of an advantage preparing him for
the league.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Well, I think it's a great, great experience, as you mentioned,
advantage for him because that's what it's like in the NFL,
and especially if he goes to somewhere like Chicago, which
is arguably as tough a market as New York. I mean,
at least New York has two teams to beat up on.
Chicago's got one, and they beat up on him just
as hard as Mitch Trubisky asked Mike Glennon. I was
(12:25):
in the quarterback room with him, and sometimes things happen
for a reason. I was the you know, coaching cleats
kind of deal, didn't suit up for any games, was
a backup type guy, and because of my experience in
New York, I was able to impart some knowledge on
those guys because that that's normal. Dude, this is the
way it is. And croshed right, But this was his
rookie year. I mean one game it's, oh, we took
(12:46):
the wrong draft pick. Then the next game is he's
our savior. We're going to the super Bowl. Eighty five
Bears here we come. I mean, it's such a roller coaster.
So he's felt some of that in Los Angeles and
now moving to this other market, whatever it is, it's
gonna be a pretty good size market wherever he goes.
We're assuming Chicago. If it is, it's just as big
(13:07):
as anything else.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
All this talk about different players and first round, second round,
the Sam Darnold situation is interesting. I love Minnesota's offensive personnel,
and I do think Sam is liked by the right people.
Shanahan liked him. I've been told McVeigh likes him. Kevin
O'Connell nothing against Brian Flores. He didn't like too a.
Mike McDaniel did well. The offensive coach was right. They
(13:33):
speak a different language. The Minnesota situation, them moving up
makes a ton of sense. That's why they accumulate a
second pick. But I said yesterday, I could see Sam
having a Baker redemption year where you look up and
you're like, those pretty good weapons.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Well, yes, and how do you view it. It's also
a philosophy thing. I don't want this to get lost
with people and it just kind of gets caught up
in the fray all the time. But when you commit
to that guy as a starter and it's gonna and
it's going to work, come hell or high water, I
don't care if you're in this building. We are going
to make Sam, Darnold Baker, Mayfield, whoever it is. Successful.
(14:08):
There's something to that instead of well let's see how
he does and if not, we'll just go get another one. Yeah,
you know what I mean. There's some sort of commitment
of the you know, Cortez analogy, felt it, totally felt it,
the Cortez analogy. Burn the boats. Once you get to
the to the new land, burn the boats. You ain't
coming back. Make it work out there. So that is
a mentality. And when everybody's on that page, on that
(14:30):
same you know, on that same wavelength, there's no other option.
This is our guy. We don't care what anybody else says,
and we're going to make it work. The antithesis of
that would probably be somewhere like Pittsburgh where everybody's like
looking around like, well, who it's him or him? Or ooh,
this is tough. I don't I don't know what to
do with that. It's hard. It's really hard for both
(14:51):
guys because they want to be professional, but there's a
killer instinct in both of them to go win. You're
probably gonna make plays, yeah, and they want to be
the guy. And oh, by the way, there's only one
one guy who gets to take the snap every play. Okay,
it's not like receiver, it's not like tight end, it's
not like running back. There's one and when you have
more than one, sometimes you have none. So I feel
like that mentality of making it work with whatever quarterback
(15:12):
you have is important.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, the Steelers is interesting because I had said this
earlier with j Mac. I have to believe that Russell
and his agent got some assurances. I would think you.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Would think, right, I don't know that was that one
really caught me by surprise. And maybe maybe it's a
a choir capital and later on, you know, we got
a we got a big We got a big opportunity
to unload one of these guys somewhere when there's a
need in camp or whatever and call, you know, quarterback
a's outperforming quarterback B, and hey, you guys want him
(15:46):
for a second rounder? You know, your guy just went down?
How bad do you want him? What else are you
gonna give us? You know what I mean? Maybe it's that,
And maybe they have the aerial view of the parade
and they can see the finish line. I can't. I'm
caught up in the fans and the chaos right now
and the you know, I just can't see that. But
who knows that they hopefully have plenty.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I was thinking about this a couple of days ago.
So let's say the draft is done and I want.
I would think to my this is just the way
I am, probably the same way I want that. I
want the playbook. I don't care about my contract. Get
me the playbook. Last thing I want to do is
banging over a million. When am I gonna make my
real money in the second third contract? For these quarterbacks
(16:25):
who are all going to get taken mostly in the
first round or high second, we tend to think you're
drafted the anxiety lead.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
No, it's just starting.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
How long did you have to wait for a jet playbook?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, you know, I don't think we can get in
trouble for anything we did back then now. But you
there's like a couple of weeks. I came back home
after getting drafted, graduated school, walked in like commencement or
did something like that, and then you go back and
(16:59):
you there for kind of a week before rookie camp.
So there's a few weeks in between where you're kind
of training on your own, trying to call up guys
that are on the team. You're going to working out
in UH at Columbia University and in Manhattan. UH. You know,
and you didn't throw on the ball around a Chancey
Stuckey and Dustin Keller and Leon Washington and then we're
(17:20):
going to have our rookie training camp coming up or
mini camp excuse me. And you're, you know, learning plays
from players and you remember the playbook they gave you
during the draft process, so you're studying that and it's
like two installs worth of plays. So it's I mean,
it is a weird couple weeks, almost a month of
existence because you kind of get forgotten about and those
(17:42):
are some of the most important days leading up to it.
And some of it has to do with like when
you when you graduate, so if you're on a quarter system,
you can't quite join the team yet and they have
to schedule things around that. It is a weird, weird
time with strange existence for quarterbacks right after the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's why I think maturities really important.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Oh no doubt. And you're trying to figure it out.
I mean, we're trying to figure out who these kids are.
These kids are trying to figure out who they are
at the same time, and so there's there's so much
more that goes into it. And that's why we talk
about the this this idea that that is at the
talent level, is it the system you go to. Is
it the fit, is it the commitment to whoever's under
center is our guy? I mean all those things factor
(18:23):
in and that's why I mean, I'm gonna tease this
a little bit. But this Drake May stuff. I'm falling
in love with this kid more and more as I
watch him. I'm like, I mean that Carolina Blue looks nice.
I'm just telling you, I like, i mean James Taylor
in my mind, I'm gone to Carolina Baby. This dude,
I'm I'm on them right now. I like him a lot.
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay, so Mark, good stuff for it. Mark is our Santa.
He always bears kiffs. He doesn't have the beard of
the gray hair that's mine. But we're gonna take a break. Mark,
who does such a good job on this and look
at film. You know it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
My end.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I watched bo Nicks live and so I really like this.
No nobody likes him now he's dropping. I watched Panix
live and I fell in love. And then you know,
I start talking to people and they talked me out
of it. The Drake May is the fascinating one because
the he does look like Justin Herbert oh, his silhouette.
It's a strong, tall, sturdy all right. So we have
(19:20):
video coming back with Mark Sanchez live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
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and noon Eastern, not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Ten years in the NFL, Jets, Eagles, Cowboys, Washington and
when Mark Sanchez comes on, he often brings a video
for us to break it down. And you know, I've
said a couple of years ago there was a bad
quarterback class, but it was a COVID year, so Trey
Lance barely played BYU had a uniquely weak schedule, and
(19:52):
so all those quarterbacks just really struggled. The only one
that didn't Trevor Lawrence, but he played as a freshman
pre COVID. So this year it's different. Mark bow Nicks
has sixty one college starts, Michael Pennock like fifty. I
just feel like there are fewer surprises. Now. That doesn't
mean the quarterbacks are better, exactly right, But they've played
(20:13):
like full seasons, no zoom meetings coaches exactly right. So
I do think this is a promising draft, that's my takeaway.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I think so too. I think some of these guys
more promising than others, and a lot of it will
depend on where they land. But every time you go
into this deep dive of quarterbacks, if you've watched forensic files, yeah,
I'm looking for clues. I want motive. I want my
black light looking for blood splatter and all that. That's
what I'm doing. And I want to see this guy
after he throws an interception. I want to see him
(20:43):
on third down, fourth down. I want to see him
in the red zone. I want to see him in
a dirty, muddy pocket where he can't totally step into
the throw. I want to see what it looks like
when he's ahead, when he's coming back on a drive
down fourteen in the fourth quarter. Who is this guy?
I also go back and I watch, you know what
I watch because they're gonna be the face of my franchise.
I go watch their postgame press conferences after a lot
thank you, I really do. I just want to know
(21:05):
and listen. Some people think it's silly, but you know
you're backwards hat deal. Is he a backwards hat guy?
Is he not? Like he does? He stand at the
podium and own the room and own the mistake, and hey,
we're gonna get better. And it starts with me, like
I look at that stuff. I think that's important. It's something,
it's not everything, and all those things factor into Okay,
what's my judgment? What's my assessment of this whole crime
(21:26):
scene here? You know what I mean? So when you
talk about Drake May, yeah, just some things that stand
out to me. The pedigree youngest of four boys, all
superstar athletes. Dad played quarterback in college. I like that.
What do we get when we go to dog breeders?
We want to know their dad was a champion this,
and mom was a champion that, and you know, it's
just like horses, right, You're like, okay, what do we got?
(21:47):
Who's he coming from? Where's he coming from? Kid played
basketball in high school? Dude's junior year, junior year, sixteen
points averaging sixteen points. Is a junior that's pretty good.
Maybe not a starter a Duke or Northlina as a
basketball player. But what made me like jump out of
my chair. Eleven plus rebounds a game. Eleven plus rebounds
(22:08):
a game. Rebounding is an attitude. Rebounding his anticipation, going
to box out another guy. Rebounding tells me This dude's tough.
Yeah he wants it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You bet.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You gotta want a rebound. It's not just an accident.
So that showed me a little something. Then you watch
him play whole. He smokes all of six four plus, big, tall, strong,
he he's more of the Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Drew
Bledsoe body type, justin Herbert body type. Yeah than maybe
some of these other guys where you're like, is he
six foot? Is he six to one six one and
(22:36):
a half. You know, did he have lifts and his shoes?
I don't know, but I like what I see. And
the dude launches the ball. When a guy's open, he
keeps him open with the throw. You know what I mean,
those kind of those kind of things, deep ball stuff.
Oh it's ball jumps out of his hand nail. Because
I have a big body. Those which one of those
big guys didn't have a big arm. They all do
because they're big, strong, sturdy guys that can cut the
(22:58):
ball loose from a high point up here. That's different.
Puts a little more torque, little more juice on the ball.
So let's get to the clips. The first one we're
gonna show is always the bad clip. We're gonna beat
them up and then build him back up. So this
first clip is interesting because you could tell he knows
he's gonna get Manda Man. He's got a quick little
play action. But he sees these safeties communicate and when
safeties rock and roll with a crossball motion, that tells
(23:20):
me Manda Man across the board. Okay. That means I
got guys running away on their routes. And now this
receiver down at the bottom is gonna run a big
in route. Okay, he's gonna be ripping across the field,
which means you gotta have anticipation, and there are specific
windows for this in route to hit. He starts on
the right hash, so just inside the left hash is
the catch point. You get in the yellow, it's getting
(23:41):
a little dicey. You get back over the ball in
the red. We don't want to throw that ball there
because the DB's beat early on. Late in the down,
the dB catches up. These are the plays you get
away with in high school. But watch his eyes. He
wants to throw down the middle pocket breaks down. I'm
on the run. Okay, now I'm looking in the flat. No,
I don't want them, and I flash back. You show
(24:01):
me this right here, you just pause the film and
don't show me the play. If I didn't know it's
an interception, I'd say it might be because look where's
that ball going back across the field. And then this.
We talked about this with Caleb a couple weeks ago.
I don't want them taking those hits. So listen, do
we have to correct some of this stuff, yes, But
you know what else I saw that was promising about
this kid only one interception on third down and fourth down.
(24:23):
Most of his interceptions are coming on first and second down.
What does that tell me? Hey, we just got to
take care of the ball. You're gonna get me three
more plays. We might break a tackle, we might. So
you got to teach this kid a little bit about
the game, a little bit about taking care of the
football on first and second down, but when it's time
to cut it loose on third and fourth down. This
kid is nails through twenty one touchdowns. So, okay, I
can coach that out of them in my opinion. Now
(24:45):
go to the good. Now. I want to look for
stuff that he can recognize. It's an empty formation, okay,
what's his awareness? Level and empty. You have no backs
to block anybody. There's no safety in the middle of
the field. I mean it is Antena is up. Man,
you're getting heat and you're getting eat from this left side.
You could see the whole thing start to overload from
the left. So what does he do. He casually drifts
to the right side. He knows he's got one on
(25:07):
one and he's got a tackle almost in his lap.
He can barely step forward on this throw. So what
does he do. He used that big frame, that tall, strong,
sturdy frame, and just drops this thing. Look at the anticipation.
This ball's out before the guy's turned around, before he's
beat the safety, and he drops it in the perfect spot.
He keeps him open. He pushes him open with this
throw in the back corner. That right there. Oo, Mama,
(25:30):
I can work with that. I can work with that kid.
And the way he extends plays, I mean, you could
tell he's a basketball player. You could tell he's tough.
You could tell The film tells me everything I told
you pre film about being the youngest of four boys.
The kid throw a left handed touchdown pass against Pitt
on a broken play, left handed from like the six
yard line. You're telling me this guy can't make plays.
(25:50):
You're telling me this guy can't extend the ball. You're
telling me this guy can't lead your team and be
the face of your franchise. Can I I'd like, I'm
starting to fall in love with this kid.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So a lot of times in college football you play regionally.
So Jaden Daniels has played in warm Weather Arizona State
and warm Weather Baton Rouge. What if he gets drafted
to New England.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
No, No Washington, Jaden.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Daniel's freezing, freezing.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I mean, I'm so.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Colbut but it is so My takeaway is Caleb's a
power thrower. This kid looks like justin Herbert bo Nicks
is not a big dick deep throw guy. Jaden Daniels
looks a little slender in the legs. For me, we've
fallen in love with this idea that size doesn't matter.
(26:39):
When I watch your Drake may stuff, is it reasonable
for me to say he's just bigger than Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
I mean, he's a different type of player. It's a
different formula to win. You're not going to get the
guy that outruns sec DB's like Jayden Daniels in Drake May,
but that's not going to be your formula to win.
He's going to extend plays, He's going to pick up
ten to twenty yards a clip at times. But the
threat of him keeping the ball on zone read is enough.
(27:05):
The threat of him faking you know, zone and running
naked out the back door with receivers downfield, and him
just keeping it for nine, ten to eleven yards advancing
the chains, the threat is plenty. I don't need him
to rush for one hundred yards a game. I need
him to rush for thirty and two key first downs.
And this kid can more than do that. So it's
I mean, there's a lot there to work with.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's interesting about the deep ball. So, for instance, I
think Mahomes has graduated to upper level quarterbacking by throwing
it less, because I never doubt that. Same with Josh Allen. Sure,
I thought what Mahomes has done the last two years
is so deadly, I'll just take the layups. Sure, first
couple of years it.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Was shown off a little, it was a little more,
you know, But it's also once again formula to win
with your personnel. If Tyreek's not in the game anymore,
that's right, You're potentially not going to have that guy
that blows the top off like a Deshaun Jackson, like
a Randy Moss, like you know Brady's year with Randy Moss,
I mean bombs away. That's like, are you kidding me?
You couldn't look at a game without going wow?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
But when the personnel changes, now what and he has
elevated his game mentally and his processing is so elite,
I can win with any formula. I'm gonna get to
the answer. Just tell me how I got to get there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So let me ask you. Drake May's got a big arm.
Caleb to me, is a power thrower. When you were
in the sport, were there ever I always thought you
had a good army? So were there ever times you thought, Man,
I wish I had blanket?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
The only thing? And looking back, you can only change
so much. But at six ' two and the little
change what I've loved to be six four absolutely okay,
because I have these big hands. So when you have
big hands, and you'll see this on Drake's tape too,
But when you pump fake from the pocket, if you're
six foot, that safety ain't You can't see it?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You know what I mean, Drake all over his tape.
It's one handed fakes. And you could tell when guys
have small fans when they have to do the two
hand fake unless they're taught that, which nobody really is anymore.
But if you can one hand the ball and then
get it right back in the throwing pocket and then
complete it, I mean that is something because you start manipulating.
I mean you start looking at old school clips of
(29:15):
Akman Marino Elway. Those two sort of big, strong, tough
dudes took tons of hits way back when they didn't
protect quarterbacks. They would pump fake the ball and then
rip a ball down the middle and then get hit
in the chin. Like that's he's more that than this
newer age version of quarterback. And he has enough of
the new age version because he's so athletic because he's
(29:36):
a hooper. So I think you get the best of
both worlds in my opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I remember Eric Allen, the former dB, faced Big
Ben and he said, yeah, I mean he goes, I'd
never seen the guy. It's like a nerf ball. Yeah,
he goes like bit on that thing about twice. Absolutely, Yeah,
So it is an advantage. So let's wrap it up
with this. When Pro day, Caleb just had his Do
(30:05):
you think these quarterbacks this year, maybe more than ever,
kind of know where they're going? Did you know?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Ooh?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This is because I think this is such a nerve
wracking time for kids. Everybody's puffing you up. Do you
think these guys have a real sense of where they're going?
Or is it all a.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Mirage they do and they don't. There's there's that mirage
idea to it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
If you were a five, you were fifth, so.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Right, But I was told the night before the draft
by Seattle that we're taking you at four if you're available,
and they took Aaron Curry linebacker way for us. So
I was like, and we had all the cameras in
the house and all the family there and agents and friends,
and I'm like, uh oh, this give me bad. What
if I don't go today? What if I and then
the very next pick the Jets straight up from fifteen
(30:49):
or whatever they were and pick me. So I think
there's gonna be some of that. Somebody's gonna make a
run on one of these guys, whether it's Drake, Jaden JJ,
somebody other than Caleb right, because we kind of think
that's Caleb's a clear cut number one. Same during my
year with Stafford, I tripped out to Detroit and I
was like, why am I here? We all know what
you guys are doing. You love Stafford, like the cats
(31:12):
out of the bag. It's all good, But why am
I here? I don't want to waste your time, to
waste my time kind of thing. So I think Caleb's
a lead pipe lock. I want to say j Mac,
But I don't know. Somebody's going to make a move
for one of these guys and it's going to shock everybody,
I really think.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So, yeah, I just keep looking at Minnesota, and I
keep looking at Arizona and the Chargers. I mean, the
best position in the NFL during the draft, you have
a star quarterback in your top ten? Yes, I mean
the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Because you're above almost that rat race for this that's right, yeah,
right there.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And both have like four absolute needs minimum and so
and the.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Teams that need one are like the you know, the
person that gets bit by the zombie and the apocalyptic movie.
They're just like foaming at the mouth to go get
these guys, you know what I mean. And it's like obvious,
like okay, and if you're above that, it's like, I mean,
if you come on, give me some fix, come get
your guys.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
If you're the GM of the Chargers or Arizona, you
go into the draft and think this is fun.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
You're feeling good here a little bit oneasy one. I mean,
there's a lot of work to do in the draft
in general, but there's just less stress. I imagine.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
All right, j Mac is scouring March Madness Highlight. We
have any upsets, it's very early. A lot of the
low seeds.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Playing nothing remotely as interesting as Drake may.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Was that good or what? Because you don't like, I
don't say, I don't like he's Justin Herbert, but he
is inconsistent.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Well Justin wasn't the most consistent in college either. There
four different coordinators. He won the Rose Bowl with his
legs by himself. So you don't know for sure what
you're gonna get. Can you put him under center? Can
he turn his back to the defense, Well, apparently he
can with the right coaching.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Breaking news mark number eleven seed Dukine is about to
upset b Yu.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Oh that's gonna ruin my bracket.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
What do you have BYU wining B.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Why are you moaning winning Yeah,
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