January 29, 2025 • 32 mins
Colin talks to Albert Breer about the Senior Bowl and what could happen in the NFL draft
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Very interesting. I'm reading out
of the Senior Bowl where Albert Breer is gonna join us.
That Riley Leonard Notre Dame quarterback had some impressive throws.
Very interesting. Everybody knows I love Riley Leonard and Kyle McCord,
by the way, at Syracuse, I will say this right now.
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I'm gonna predict he will be a second round pick,
and I think he has a chance to be the
best quarterback in the draft. You think I'm out of
my Is he there? By the way, Is Kyle McCord there?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, he's not here. I watched Kyle McCord quite a bit,
you know, when he was when he was a junior.
So he's got an interesting story and and I think
it's sort of addicative of the whole class.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know, Colin, where there are I mean two.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Guys who I think have a good shot to go
in the first round, and Shadoor Sanders and camp Warden
and after that, it's just sort of this big miss
mash of players that have their pluses and their minuses. Jackson,
Dark and Bold misses in that group. Bill Howard from
Ohio State may played himself into that group, calm Accord,
Jaylen Milroe. So it's interesting from that standpoint, like, I
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don't know that any of these guys would have gone
over the top six last year, even shador Cam. But
you know, there are a lot of guys I think
who have a chance to help themselves quite a bit
over the next three months, and that should make it exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So, you know, we have all these coaching situations going on.
I went back and looked at the Jerry Stephen Jones
press conference. It was at minimum uncomfortable at times a
little cringey. I said that, and I'm I'm trying to
be fair. It's starting to feel like the old Al
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Davis Raiders where they're kind of doing their own thing.
They're not really they're not amongst the league. They're kind
of on their own island. What's your take on that
press conference? Using air quotes to talk about He goes,
we're in a drought. Well, yeah, it's twenty nine years.
It is a drought. It's not make believe by us.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I mean when I would check in with people
about where their search was, and this is the way
it's been, you know, for the last couple of years
in a number of different areas, like there's this is.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Up to Jerry. I'm refrained to almost everything.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And you do wonder if it's time for Steven, who's
you know, I mean grown up in the business. You know,
you can say what you want about him being the
older son, like this is really his life's work, is
the football team?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Is it time for him to have a little bit
more control over things? And you know, I think you're right,
like to look at the way this happened now. Brian
Schottneimer is a.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Good football coach and one of the more well liked
guys you'll find in the NFL. There are a lot
of people out there rooting for them. That doesn't mean
the process wasn't a mess. And you know, you the
first thing you think of, and you know when you
talk to other teams about this is the Cowboys looked
unprepared to do a search. Yes, you know, they're the
second week of January, which is kind of mind blowing
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when you consider the fact that they're the ones who
sent Mike McCarthy into the contract here in the first place,
knowing this was a possibility from the very start, and
you know, really didn't have much of the groundwork done.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And to hold McCarthy to.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
His contract for an extra eight days and then launch
your own coaching search after you start, jeopardize your ability
to talk to the Lion's chiefs assistance. It was messy
in about a million different ways. And so, you know,
I think you come out of this saying, like, how
is it possible that the Cowboys weren't more prepared to
do a coaching search? And the other piece of evidence
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that they weren't prepared is how insular the whole thing was.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
They had two renewal candidates and Leslie Frasier and Robert.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Sallin other than that, every name you heard was connected
to the franchise people. The Joneses know whether it was
Brian Shottennerma where they wind up hiring Jason Witt and
Dion Sanders, Kellen Moore. There's just something that's so insular
about the whole thing, you know, And so I think
there are big picture questions here separate from whether or
not Brian Schottenheimer's success as the head coach. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think Pete Carroll to the Raiders fits. I actually
like Spy Tech, the kid from Tampa. I feel like,
oh my god, did the Raiders get it right? There
are no A plus plus quarterbacks, Milroe, Schaduur, cam Riley, Leonard,
They're all. They're all. Don't they don't feel transformational? What
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do you what do you think? What do you think
Raiders have to get a quarterback in a division with
Herbert bo Nixon, Mahomes, which creates real urgency? What would
be a guess? I mean, there's a Darnold, There's Kirk Cousins,
there's Russell Wilson. There's some options out here. If you
had to guess where Pete goes in the quarterback because
you're not winning in that division without a quarterback. If
the coaching and quarterbackings do good, where do you think
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they go?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think the easy answer is Russell Wilson, and that
at least allows you to tread water where you're not
forced to do something you don't want to do in
the draft, right, I mean, before Carroll on Spytech we're hired,
one thing I had.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Heard was the football people there were going to be
under a mandate to go find one, and they, like
the Giants, spend a lot of time on the road.
Their scouting department did looking at the quarterbacks head of
the end of the college season. So there's a lot
of groundwork that's been laid there to take a quarterback.
But I think you and I both know the worst
thing you can do is over drafted quarterback and take
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yourself out of the market for quarterbacks for two or
three years and get it wrong. So, you know, I
think the smart thing to do. I think what Pete
Carroll will look to do, when John Spytech will look
to do, is to find somebody that they're comfortable treading
water with for the next couple of years. And again,
like to me, Russell Wilson is the one that sort
of makes sense for them because Pete has the.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Background with him.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He's familiar with what Pete's going to be trying to
establish from you know, a cultural standpoint, and look like
I think a lot of the friction between Seattle and Russell.
Like I think the Seahawks have been proven right on
a lot of that stuff, Like Pete Carroll knew how
to play Russell Wilson, knew how to deploy Russell Wilson,
and I think, you know, Russell had to find out
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for himself in a lot of different ways that his
his his desire to go out and be Peyton Manning
or Tom Brady and throw the ball all over the
yard and run the offense out of the show.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it wasn't realistic.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And you know, and I think that's one thing Pittsburgh
did really well with him last year is get him
back to what he does well. And there's nobody who
knows what he does well better than Pete Carroll because
I think.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He got it right for a lot of years.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Saquon Barkley, I was saying this, whether it's Reggie White,
Drew Brees to the Saints, Reggie White, Charles Woodson to
the Packers. To get a great all time player in
their prime in the market, somebody has to make a
big mistake. The Eagles, if you remember, they had an
owner that made players pay for equipment. They hired Rich
koe type that was a bad ownership situation. Let Reggie
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White go Al Davis got old Charles Woodson, great player,
Lets him go. Doctors in Miami wouldn't know key, Okay,
Drew Brees, Saints pick up on him. Somebody has to
make a mistake, are you? Are you surprised a little
that there hasn't been more fallout on the Giants handing
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their rival a Walter Payton Barry Sanders level great player
and that he now humiliates them. It's it's not quite
Babe Ruth to the Yankees, but in his arrival and
he humiliates you every Sunday, and yet the GA retained
his job.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, I think it's I think there's the hard knocks
thing definitely made it worse, you know what I mean,
like in the optic of all that definitely made it worse.
You know that said, I think you look at it
and it's I don't think it's the situations created the
same when you're talking about an older running back for
all teams, right, And you know, I look at like
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the three teams that did really well signing running backs
because what they saw, all three of them, the Packers,
the Ravens, and of course the Eagles. They saw that
the market had been depressed at that position to the
point where now a great running back was an incredible value,
And they all got incredible values, Derrick Henry in Baltimore,
Josh Jacobs in Green Bay, and Saquon Barkley and Philly.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
But the reality here, Colin is, if you are going
to pay Saquon Barkley, how much longer is he going
to be great for based on the wear and tear
in his body, his mileage, his age, all of that,
And are you going to be good.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Enough to be able to maximize him right? Like?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
In other words, are you going to be able to
rebuild that thing fast enough where Saquon Barkley is going
to be a great player on a championship level team
the way he is in Philly? And I think for
the the answer to that was, no, Well, we we
are not going to be on a championship level fast
enough where we can put this guy in position to
be the best player on a championship level team.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Which I think is a big reason why they let
him go.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, you could argue that they should have done in
the year before, and that's a fair argument.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's one hundred percent something you can look at and say, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They should have gotten that done, especially with what they
paid for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I think where they did it. You just look
at it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The guy is, you know, going into his seventh year
at that point, and historically running backs don't do great
after that point, and you say to yourself, we're just
not going to be at a championship level for fast
enough to ximize what Saquon Barkley is.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Finally, I don't make anything of it. I heard it
for years. I was in ESPN for eleven years in Connecticut. Oh,
the league wants Brady to win. They get all the calls.
I don't make anything of it. I thought it was
a first down. It's go either way. But do you
think the league is sensitive? I mean, the game got
fifty six million viewers. Do you think they're sensitive to
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all this? The league wants Taylor, Swift, Mahomes and the
Chiefs to win.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
The league officers everything, and they do have rabbit ears.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And that's what happens when you stuff in office with
lawyers and pr people. You know their training is to react, right,
so they're always reacting.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
To something, and you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Know, certainly like the way that game is officiated. Has
given them a lot to react to. But here's the
bottom line, Colin, and I feel really strongly about this.
If this isn't new for me, I've said this for
a while. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You have the technology to get these things right.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And the reality is the reason these things have become
a bigger deal is because we can see more now
because at every game you have fifteen twenty different angles
crystal clear high definition. So you as a viewer on
your couch at home in southern California, you call and
have the benefit of all of those cameras.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Right yet we're not giving the officials the benefit of that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So, like, it still makes no sense to me why
you can't find somebody at every game, put them up
top and say you are in charge of paying attention
to what's going on on all the different angles, and
you have the power to buzz down to the official
and make a change if there's something that is wrong
or egregious that happens, and then at least the fan
knows that you've done everything that you can to try
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and get it right.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
These questions are.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Going to keep coming up, and it gets thornier when
you're talking about having, you know, partnerships with gambling companies
and all that different stuff. You know, I just think
like you owe it to the public to try to
make sure that they know that you're doing your very
best get as many.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Of the calls right as you possibly can't. And I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They're doing that yet, and so I think you get
there and then maybe that helps a little bit with
all of this and look like the reality of it
is like I hear people in New England where I live,
complaining about homes getting calls, which might be the most
death thing I've ever heard, based on the benefits that
they had for twenty years with Tom Brady as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
The reality is, guys like that are just going to
get officiated. It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know, it's Brady, it's my homes, the way Michael
Jordan was officiated when he was when he was when
he was.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
With the Bulls. You know, it's just sort of a
reality of it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Again, I think the best the NFL can do is
pull every level to try to get as many of
the calls right as they possibly can, and I think
you use the technology to get yourself there.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Albert Breer at the Senior Bowl. Always appreciate it. Keep
your eye on wood he marks usc running back. Keep
your eye.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Mark, I'll take ant. I'll head right back out there.
Keep an eye on for you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Hey, I watch your buck. Guys. You can watch an
occasional trojan. We only send a couple to the NFL
every year. Good good seeing.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The Albert All right, thanks car.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I've never gone to the Senior Bowl. Heard great
things about it. It just comes every year. It's at
this time. I can't get I've heard everybody just raves
about it.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Daniel Jeremiah I was texting with him this week. He's there,
and it sounds like a party for journalists. Basically, you
go down there and just live it up, hang out
with NFL front office guys all week.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Let me tell you what a party is it up?
Super Bowl Week in New Orleans. Do you like oysters?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay. Do you like cocktails? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They got plenty of both down there.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Nice. That's great.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I can't wait one more.
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Speaker 7 (13:29):
Call him sa Kwan Berkley.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Boy, what a factor he's been for the Eagles success
this season after the Giants. Giants did not re sign
him as a free agent, letting you, letting go to
divisional rival MVP finalists now in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
What a disaster for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Kyle Van Noy, who was on the show this week,
gave kudos to saque season.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
I just want to give my kudos to sakuon how
he's handled this whole situation has been just first class, right,
Always love to the Giants, always love. But he's like,
you know what, I got a new family, I got
the egos. I'm gonna put the egles on my back
like I did the Giants. He's used this year as
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middle Finger year. I literally see that in his play
in his play style, the enthusiasm he has each and
every time he gets the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, it's it's been a it. You and I didn't
buy into this narrative. You and I did not We
push back this idea that running backs. It was a
lot of young media running backs. This is unfair safeties
and tight ends have never been paid. Running Backs will
have value because they control the clock. They help quarterbacks,
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especially young ones. Yeah, a wide receiver is largely dependent
on a quarterback. A quarterback can sometimes Lake broad Purty
be dependent on a running back. It's the opposite a
great running take out. The top five quarterbacks brought Purty's
a different quarterback with Christian McCaffrey. He didn't when McCaffrey
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was healthy. You didn't miss Brandon Ayuk. Running Backs will
always have value.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
Have you seen Eight Mile with Eminem the movie I.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Think, I don't. I don't think the movie, I don't
think I did.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Just this whole middle finger thing reminds me.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
At the end of the movie, there's this amazing rap
off scene and Eminem basically says, I'm still standing here screaming,
you know, bleep the guys who have been beating me
up all the time. And Saquon Barkley could have that.
Imagine if he's a Super Bowl MVP and he gets
to stand at the podium and be like, hey, they
did not want me, and here I had a two
thousand yard season and I won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Colin. That is as good as it gets of a
story in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Think about think about somebody sitting.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
In a room.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
This tells you the state of football in New York.
Somebody sat in a room and said, you know what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna sign dan Old Jones to
an expensive contract. What about Saquon? We can find another
Saquon Barkley. Did they not contextualize it and go, God,
it's amazing how good Saquon is when he has a
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bad old line and no receivers to keep safeties out
of the box. Like you start to look at the
Giants and some of these decisions between Gettleman and Joe Shane,
I just don't understand them. I watched Daniel Jones play
in college and I don't I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Get I don't remember anybody's saying you got a lockdown, Dame.
Speaker 10 (16:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean I watched him against bad teams. I never got.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I know he beat the Vikings in that playoff game.
He had, he had a good game.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Vikings that year are the worst defense in the league,
exactly like context matters.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Anyways, let's move on to the Rams. This is kind
of an interesting story. I think gm Less Snead was
asked about the future of both Matthew Stafford and Cooper
Cup and less Snead left the door open for potentially
trading both players. We're talking about a subset of players,
not just Matthew and Cooper, that are coming to the
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end of their careers and contracts.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Those are issues we really have to sit down and
talk through.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
I understand Cooper Cup, right, but Matthew.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Stafford, But I think, but now, let's let's let's talk
about this for a second. So we both love Stafford,
both love it and like Brady at the end, he's
still very effective. But as the game is, the culture
of the league has changed. Look at the teams left
two mobile quarterbacks. Look at the top seven or eight
teams in the league. Goff and Stafford are the last
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two elite pocket quarterbacks. Is I think the Rams are
looking around. They've always been ahead of the curve on
this stuff. They're looking around, going, guys, we may have
the last great pure pocket quarterback. We may have the
last one because all these kids now come out and
can move overwhelmingly. Five or six of the quarterback Michael
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Pennix was the only quarterback I mean, bo Knicks moves,
Jaden moves, Drake moves, Caleb move, they all move. They
all move, OK, And I think I can see them saying,
if we can get a second round pick for Stafford
and you'd get at least two two's for Stafford, they
think they have a good enough roster to kind of
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rebuild it with McBay. I think it's on the table.
I would rather move early than late. I think he
has more value now if he comes back next year
and it doesn't go as well because Washington's better and right,
and you look at it and you're thinking, will Matt
Stafford ever have more value than this moment right now?
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Because he is both Nobody talks about his age right now.
It's like Stafford, we're putting him a number five in
the league.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
He is thirty six. Oh, he turned thirty seven here
in like eight days or ten days.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, and he's been this year.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
He has an injury. Numbers were a little down this year.
Twenty touchdown passes.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I totally get them. If somebody can, I'm dead serious.
We have seen big name quarterbacks move last several years.
Aaron kirk Russell, They're moving, I am I am dead serious.
I think they would move him, and I think they
love him and they'd move off him for the right price.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Don't see it happening. What if the New York Jets
called the Rams and said, hey, do you want to
get in the Aaron Rodgers business? We would love a
Matthew Stafford final tour with the Jets.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Who would you rather have next year? Matthew Stafford or
Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
A Stafford by mile, absolutely easier in the locker room
A lot. That's a bad Give me another one.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I guess the Jets would have to throw in a
pick of some kind, like, yeah, yeah, I would love
to get in the Stafford business.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Great guy in the community, stand up guy in.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The locker room. No, no, everybody in the back.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
I would take him over at Rogers.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The Rams love him. They have two options. They cannot
draft a quarterback and use all their picks and give
him one final runner the Super Bowl with four or
five new good players. But matt makes so much money
and Cooper Cup makes so much money their offense, those
guys are a lot of money, so they have limitations
on what they can acquire in the market house.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Saints Derek Carr goes to the room.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, they don't want him. No, no, no, you're not
gonna mcpaye's not gonna take make a significantly lest talented
guy quarterback now, he will take a less counted guy
who's free as a second round pick for oh oh yeah.
So my take is if somebody came up, they would
not trade you Stafford. They would get a number one
and the number two.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
It's a tough fit for Stafford. Every quarterback left is mobile,
or the quarterbacks left in.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
The playoffs are all mobile. Baker Mayfield's mobile, Stafford Staffor's mobile. No,
So I think it's one of those things. If you're
the Rams, you absolutely take a phone call because I
think his value now is higher than it's going to be. Okay,
it's gonna be next year.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Final story is the Cleveland Browns. They have the second
pick in the draft. They're probably gonna need to replace
to Sean Watson, who not only as terrible but retore
his achilles.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
There have been reports.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Dion would step in and not allow his sons should
do he to play for certain teams, but the Browns,
despite all appearances that hey, they probably wouldn't want Dion
would not want us on there.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
According to a reporter in Cleveland, GM.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Matthew Berry says he doesn't anticipate that being a problem.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I e.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Dion's intervening and saying Shador don't go to Cleveland. Browns
do not draft him. Do you think Dean would be
cool with that his son going to Cleveland? Now, Stefanski's
a very sharp guy. We know Brown's ownership as well.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well. I mean, Cleveland's it's it's not a it's it's
not a franchise. I love my kid to go to No,
it's not, it's not it.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Do you think Dion would step in be like, don't
take my son.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, I mean the Lways did it, Eli did.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
It, and those were number one overall picks. I don't
think is gonna go one. I don't think there's that's happening.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, it's just hard to say. I think Door
is a really good kid. I am rooting for him
to go somewhere not called Cleveland. I'm rooting for him
to have a great career. I think he'd be fascinating him.
Shador Sanders I even like the name. He just sounds cool,
sounds like a franchise guy, plays like it. He's a
nice pocket guy that's got a little bit of movement.
I am rooting for him to succeed. I don't think
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Cleveland's where you go to succeed. Do you do you
disagree with me?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I don't think Schador's in a position where he can
say I'm not going to use second Overall, I don't
think he's in the Eli Manning class coming out. I
don't think he's in the the l Way class coming out.
I just don't I like him. I think he could
do well with stefanskamplee J.
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Speaker 1 (23:52):
So we had the great Andy Reid on earlier Today
always fun, another thrilling victory for the Chief, and I
wanted to bring just about five minutes back. One of
the things I asked him if he manages and coaches
his star older players differently like Travis.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
Kelcey, to be honest with you, because I've been around
him for so much, so long, and we've had my
whole duration here and and drafted him and so on,
so I know, I kind of know where he's at
physically mentally, I know what he can do in games,
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and and so we try to utilize him. I also
know what's around him, which helps him because for a
while there we were banged up a little bit and
guys were trying to learn, and you know, he was
being double teamed and that wasn't as good for him.
But Travis would be a heck of a football coach.
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He's able to get up there and explain things and
teach these young guys exactly what he sees and feels.
Not that they all have that same talent, but he's
got a good feel for the game.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Years ago, I asked Pete Carroll. I was sitting in
his office at USC and I said, what are you
proudest about about your team. And he said, I never
forget this. He said, you have to play nearly perfect
to beat this. He goes, we play so hard. We
play so hard. Now this is where I'm going to
ask you not to be humble for ten seconds. I'll
never ask you this again. This is the only time.
If there was a room of great coaches and they
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were talking about Andy Reid and they said, here's Andy's
best quality with Andy's teams. What is the thing that
you want to be remembered for beyond trophies, but that
you're proud of and your team and by the way,
it may be players and you, but what matters to
you beyond the winning in your legacy?
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Yeah, I think teaching. I think that's an important thing.
Being honest with the guys, trusting the guys. I think
those are all all things I think are important. I
hope I'm doing that part of it. So I would
tell you that those are probably the things that i'd
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look for.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, people will call you a great teacher. So Michael
Vick once told me, he said, with Andy, Andy lets
you be you, but he coaches around what you can do.
Now you've had mahomes. Now for so many years, are
you coaching Patrick differently today in big games then you
did like four to five years ago.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Yes, four or five years ago. He didn't have the
same feel he's got for the game now and wasn't
as solid with all of his surroundings there in different options,
So yeah, we do it different with him now. I
have a lot of trust in him and what he
knows and what he can do at the line of scrimmage,
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and he's very accurate with that, So it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Has he ever talked to in or out of something
on the sidelines when the cameras at CBS go on
and you're now it'll be at Fox when we have
the cameras on you. Has he ever talked to interer
out of something late?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No?
Speaker 9 (27:16):
Uh, but you know he'll have an idea, But normally
he just goes just call it. You know, he's just
wants you to call. If he wants you to call
what's on your mind and and uh, you know, he'll
go run it. He doesn't get into all that, but
I ask him, what do you like here? I have
no problem with that. Matt Nagy does a great job
with that. So it's we try to keep it as
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open as possible. And as you know, you're a quarterback. Normally,
if the quarterback likes something, it's going to get done.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah. The I know you've looked at the tape of Philadelphia.
It is a green wall of talent. They they got
dudes and he maybe the only team you match up
with all year and they have more Pro Bowl kind
of level players. What when you pop that tape in
all your years, what is the first thing that jumps
out to you with Philadelphia?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Yeah, I tell you their skill position and their D
line jumps out at you. They've got great scale. We've
got a quarterback that can deal it. Their offensive line
is strong. They've been banged. They were banged up a
little bit, but they're strong.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
And then that D line and their speed on the
second level, the linebacker level and the in the back
end with the secondary shows up. Do you always done
a nice job there?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He has?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Do you envision how games are going to go? Do
you have a sense like Buffalo If I said to you,
it's kind of kind of look like this, like you
came out attack dog. I mean your first drive it
felt like it was kind of scripted a little bit,
but I could tell you'd seen something in the coverage
you went right after it. Do you have a sense
of what games look like before they happen, or do
they develop? And sometimes you just sit back, watch it
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develop and call it as it goes.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
Normally this time of the year, Colin, you have a
pretty good idea of what teams are doing. They have
a pretty good idea of what you're doing, and it allows,
really it allows your guys to go out and play
and play fast. And so I'm always telling the guys
that every step you take in the playoffs, the games
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get a little faster. Well that's why, you know, it's
not just an effort thing. It's that you've mastered kind
of all these different schemes that we've got in and
you can play fast and that's that goes that way
both sides as special teams.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I did a story at an essay this week
and I said, I I hope you don't retire. I mean,
I cannot imagine retirement. Even if you love golf, is
nearly this fun. Do you ever take a breath and go, damn,
this is fun, this is this is a good time.
Speaker 10 (30:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (30:02):
No, absolutely, I mean, I love doing what I'm doing.
So how many guys have thirty two of us in
the whole world and that have an opportunity to do this?
And then I'm around these kids. So I'm getting older,
loose in my hair, no red hair left. And I
go out there and I'm with a group of guys
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that are somewhere between twenty two and thirty five every
day and they bring all his energy. So and if
you're limping, they're gonna get out to you and make
fun of you, you know, So I've got to try
to stand up straight and go right and do my thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I think we were talking about this yesterday on the
show about dynasties all kind of look different. The Spurs
were led by the big fundamental Alabama was mostly led
by this dominating, suffocating defense. USC's was Reggie and Linert
and big personality and flair in Los Angeles. Uh In
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in New England's was efficiency and do your job. And
I do think there's a certain flair. That's why I
think Taylor Swift is so fitting in Kelsey's personality. In
Taylor Swift and Mahomes, He's got, you know, kind of
a quirky family. I think it. I think it. I
think it wears well over time. I thought I even
felt being in Connecticut and in Patriots Country, I had
(31:24):
Patriot fatigue. I kind of had. I'll be honest with you,
I have a little bit of Lebron fatigue. Like I'm
waiting for the NBA to find its next revolutionary player.
I've seen that. I'm happy. Don't begrudge it. Like Michael Jordan,
like when he left here, like oh man, no more Michael.
Let's that's how I feel when football season's end. It's like,
(31:45):
oh no more, Bill's Chiefs. Nothing against march madness. I
like that too. But I don't know. I tend to
think this wears pretty well. I think the rating is
going to be big. I think you have the best
roster and the best coaching quarterback, and it's not a surprise.
Those are the things that get you to super Bowls.
Best roster, best coaching quarterback. It wouldn't be good if
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the team of the best coaching quarterback also had the
best roster, then you could have a blowout. But what
the ying and y Yang here is Philadelphia. They're not
as good at coach, They're not as good at quarterback,
they're probably better overall roster. And that's why you got
a thirty twenty seven game. J Mack, This show was
a little all over the joint today I started, I
was on one. I had a good night's sleep, and
(32:28):
I had some caffeine this morning. I was on one
this year.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Don't tell people what you had to drink last night. Listen.
Coward reveals a lot of information to me during the breaks.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Go ahead. Caffeine does not affect the way I sleep.
I had a Red Bull at seven thirty, oh, I mean,
and slept like a baby. But I think I woke
up this morning and it was still going through my system.
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Very interesting. I'm reading out
of the Senior Bowl where Albert Breer is gonna join us.
That Riley Leonard Notre Dame quarterback had some impressive throws.
Very interesting. Everybody knows I love Riley Leonard and Kyle McCord,
by the way, at Syracuse, I will say this right now.
(00:44):
I'm gonna predict he will be a second round pick,
and I think he has a chance to be the
best quarterback in the draft. You think I'm out of
my Is he there? By the way, Is Kyle McCord there?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, he's not here. I watched Kyle McCord quite a bit,
you know, when he was when he was a junior.
So he's got an interesting story and and I think
it's sort of addicative of the whole class.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know, Colin, where there are I mean two.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Guys who I think have a good shot to go
in the first round, and Shadoor Sanders and camp Warden
and after that, it's just sort of this big miss
mash of players that have their pluses and their minuses. Jackson,
Dark and Bold misses in that group. Bill Howard from
Ohio State may played himself into that group, calm Accord,
Jaylen Milroe. So it's interesting from that standpoint, like, I
(01:31):
don't know that any of these guys would have gone
over the top six last year, even shador Cam. But
you know, there are a lot of guys I think
who have a chance to help themselves quite a bit
over the next three months, and that should make it exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So, you know, we have all these coaching situations going on.
I went back and looked at the Jerry Stephen Jones
press conference. It was at minimum uncomfortable at times a
little cringey. I said that, and I'm I'm trying to
be fair. It's starting to feel like the old Al
(02:05):
Davis Raiders where they're kind of doing their own thing.
They're not really they're not amongst the league. They're kind
of on their own island. What's your take on that
press conference? Using air quotes to talk about He goes,
we're in a drought. Well, yeah, it's twenty nine years.
It is a drought. It's not make believe by us.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I mean when I would check in with people
about where their search was, and this is the way
it's been, you know, for the last couple of years
in a number of different areas, like there's this is.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Up to Jerry. I'm refrained to almost everything.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And you do wonder if it's time for Steven, who's
you know, I mean grown up in the business. You know,
you can say what you want about him being the
older son, like this is really his life's work, is
the football team?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Is it time for him to have a little bit
more control over things? And you know, I think you're right,
like to look at the way this happened now. Brian
Schottneimer is a.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Good football coach and one of the more well liked
guys you'll find in the NFL. There are a lot
of people out there rooting for them. That doesn't mean
the process wasn't a mess. And you know, you the
first thing you think of, and you know when you
talk to other teams about this is the Cowboys looked
unprepared to do a search. Yes, you know, they're the
second week of January, which is kind of mind blowing
(03:21):
when you consider the fact that they're the ones who
sent Mike McCarthy into the contract here in the first place,
knowing this was a possibility from the very start, and
you know, really didn't have much of the groundwork done.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And to hold McCarthy to.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
His contract for an extra eight days and then launch
your own coaching search after you start, jeopardize your ability
to talk to the Lion's chiefs assistance. It was messy
in about a million different ways. And so, you know,
I think you come out of this saying, like, how
is it possible that the Cowboys weren't more prepared to
do a coaching search? And the other piece of evidence
(03:53):
that they weren't prepared is how insular the whole thing was.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
They had two renewal candidates and Leslie Frasier and Robert.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Sallin other than that, every name you heard was connected
to the franchise people. The Joneses know whether it was
Brian Shottennerma where they wind up hiring Jason Witt and
Dion Sanders, Kellen Moore. There's just something that's so insular
about the whole thing, you know, And so I think
there are big picture questions here separate from whether or
not Brian Schottenheimer's success as the head coach. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think Pete Carroll to the Raiders fits. I actually
like Spy Tech, the kid from Tampa. I feel like,
oh my god, did the Raiders get it right? There
are no A plus plus quarterbacks, Milroe, Schaduur, cam Riley, Leonard,
They're all. They're all. Don't they don't feel transformational? What
(04:48):
do you what do you think? What do you think
Raiders have to get a quarterback in a division with
Herbert bo Nixon, Mahomes, which creates real urgency? What would
be a guess? I mean, there's a Darnold, There's Kirk Cousins,
there's Russell Wilson. There's some options out here. If you
had to guess where Pete goes in the quarterback because
you're not winning in that division without a quarterback. If
the coaching and quarterbackings do good, where do you think
(05:10):
they go?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think the easy answer is Russell Wilson, and that
at least allows you to tread water where you're not
forced to do something you don't want to do in
the draft, right, I mean, before Carroll on Spytech we're hired,
one thing I had.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Heard was the football people there were going to be
under a mandate to go find one, and they, like
the Giants, spend a lot of time on the road.
Their scouting department did looking at the quarterbacks head of
the end of the college season. So there's a lot
of groundwork that's been laid there to take a quarterback.
But I think you and I both know the worst
thing you can do is over drafted quarterback and take
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yourself out of the market for quarterbacks for two or
three years and get it wrong. So, you know, I
think the smart thing to do. I think what Pete
Carroll will look to do, when John Spytech will look
to do, is to find somebody that they're comfortable treading
water with for the next couple of years. And again,
like to me, Russell Wilson is the one that sort
of makes sense for them because Pete has the.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Background with him.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He's familiar with what Pete's going to be trying to
establish from you know, a cultural standpoint, and look like
I think a lot of the friction between Seattle and Russell.
Like I think the Seahawks have been proven right on
a lot of that stuff, Like Pete Carroll knew how
to play Russell Wilson, knew how to deploy Russell Wilson,
and I think, you know, Russell had to find out
(06:25):
for himself in a lot of different ways that his
his his desire to go out and be Peyton Manning
or Tom Brady and throw the ball all over the
yard and run the offense out of the show.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it wasn't realistic.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And you know, and I think that's one thing Pittsburgh
did really well with him last year is get him
back to what he does well. And there's nobody who
knows what he does well better than Pete Carroll because
I think.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He got it right for a lot of years.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Saquon Barkley, I was saying this, whether it's Reggie White,
Drew Brees to the Saints, Reggie White, Charles Woodson to
the Packers. To get a great all time player in
their prime in the market, somebody has to make a
big mistake. The Eagles, if you remember, they had an
owner that made players pay for equipment. They hired Rich
koe type that was a bad ownership situation. Let Reggie
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White go Al Davis got old Charles Woodson, great player,
Lets him go. Doctors in Miami wouldn't know key, Okay,
Drew Brees, Saints pick up on him. Somebody has to
make a mistake, are you? Are you surprised a little
that there hasn't been more fallout on the Giants handing
(07:34):
their rival a Walter Payton Barry Sanders level great player
and that he now humiliates them. It's it's not quite
Babe Ruth to the Yankees, but in his arrival and
he humiliates you every Sunday, and yet the GA retained
his job.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, I think it's I think there's the hard knocks
thing definitely made it worse, you know what I mean,
like in the optic of all that definitely made it worse.
You know that said, I think you look at it
and it's I don't think it's the situations created the
same when you're talking about an older running back for
all teams, right, And you know, I look at like
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the three teams that did really well signing running backs
because what they saw, all three of them, the Packers,
the Ravens, and of course the Eagles. They saw that
the market had been depressed at that position to the
point where now a great running back was an incredible value,
And they all got incredible values, Derrick Henry in Baltimore,
Josh Jacobs in Green Bay, and Saquon Barkley and Philly.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
But the reality here, Colin is, if you are going
to pay Saquon Barkley, how much longer is he going
to be great for based on the wear and tear
in his body, his mileage, his age, all of that,
And are you going to be good.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Enough to be able to maximize him right? Like?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
In other words, are you going to be able to
rebuild that thing fast enough where Saquon Barkley is going
to be a great player on a championship level team
the way he is in Philly? And I think for
the the answer to that was, no, Well, we we
are not going to be on a championship level fast
enough where we can put this guy in position to
be the best player on a championship level team.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Which I think is a big reason why they let
him go.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, you could argue that they should have done in
the year before, and that's a fair argument.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's one hundred percent something you can look at and say, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They should have gotten that done, especially with what they
paid for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I think where they did it. You just look
at it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The guy is, you know, going into his seventh year
at that point, and historically running backs don't do great
after that point, and you say to yourself, we're just
not going to be at a championship level for fast
enough to ximize what Saquon Barkley is.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Finally, I don't make anything of it. I heard it
for years. I was in ESPN for eleven years in Connecticut. Oh,
the league wants Brady to win. They get all the calls.
I don't make anything of it. I thought it was
a first down. It's go either way. But do you
think the league is sensitive? I mean, the game got
fifty six million viewers. Do you think they're sensitive to
(10:03):
all this? The league wants Taylor, Swift, Mahomes and the
Chiefs to win.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
The league officers everything, and they do have rabbit ears.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And that's what happens when you stuff in office with
lawyers and pr people. You know their training is to react, right,
so they're always reacting.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
To something, and you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Know, certainly like the way that game is officiated. Has
given them a lot to react to. But here's the
bottom line, Colin, and I feel really strongly about this.
If this isn't new for me, I've said this for
a while. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You have the technology to get these things right.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And the reality is the reason these things have become
a bigger deal is because we can see more now
because at every game you have fifteen twenty different angles
crystal clear high definition. So you as a viewer on
your couch at home in southern California, you call and
have the benefit of all of those cameras.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Right yet we're not giving the officials the benefit of that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So, like, it still makes no sense to me why
you can't find somebody at every game, put them up
top and say you are in charge of paying attention
to what's going on on all the different angles, and
you have the power to buzz down to the official
and make a change if there's something that is wrong
or egregious that happens, and then at least the fan
knows that you've done everything that you can to try
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and get it right.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
These questions are.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Going to keep coming up, and it gets thornier when
you're talking about having, you know, partnerships with gambling companies
and all that different stuff. You know, I just think
like you owe it to the public to try to
make sure that they know that you're doing your very
best get as many.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Of the calls right as you possibly can't. And I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They're doing that yet, and so I think you get
there and then maybe that helps a little bit with
all of this and look like the reality of it
is like I hear people in New England where I live,
complaining about homes getting calls, which might be the most
death thing I've ever heard, based on the benefits that
they had for twenty years with Tom Brady as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
The reality is, guys like that are just going to
get officiated. It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know, it's Brady, it's my homes, the way Michael
Jordan was officiated when he was when he was when
he was.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
With the Bulls. You know, it's just sort of a
reality of it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Again, I think the best the NFL can do is
pull every level to try to get as many of
the calls right as they possibly can, and I think
you use the technology to get yourself there.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Albert Breer at the Senior Bowl. Always appreciate it. Keep
your eye on wood he marks usc running back. Keep
your eye.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Mark, I'll take ant. I'll head right back out there.
Keep an eye on for you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Hey, I watch your buck. Guys. You can watch an
occasional trojan. We only send a couple to the NFL
every year. Good good seeing.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The Albert All right, thanks car.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, I've never gone to the Senior Bowl. Heard great
things about it. It just comes every year. It's at
this time. I can't get I've heard everybody just raves
about it.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Daniel Jeremiah I was texting with him this week. He's there,
and it sounds like a party for journalists. Basically, you
go down there and just live it up, hang out
with NFL front office guys all week.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Let me tell you what a party is it up?
Super Bowl Week in New Orleans. Do you like oysters?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay. Do you like cocktails? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They got plenty of both down there.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Nice. That's great.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I can't wait one more.
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Speaker 1 (13:22):
With the news.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
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Speaker 8 (13:26):
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Speaker 7 (13:29):
Call him sa Kwan Berkley.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Boy, what a factor he's been for the Eagles success
this season after the Giants. Giants did not re sign
him as a free agent, letting you, letting go to
divisional rival MVP finalists now in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
What a disaster for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Kyle Van Noy, who was on the show this week,
gave kudos to saque season.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
I just want to give my kudos to sakuon how
he's handled this whole situation has been just first class, right,
Always love to the Giants, always love. But he's like,
you know what, I got a new family, I got
the egos. I'm gonna put the egles on my back
like I did the Giants. He's used this year as
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middle Finger year. I literally see that in his play
in his play style, the enthusiasm he has each and
every time he gets the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, it's it's been a it. You and I didn't
buy into this narrative. You and I did not We
push back this idea that running backs. It was a
lot of young media running backs. This is unfair safeties
and tight ends have never been paid. Running Backs will
have value because they control the clock. They help quarterbacks,
(14:44):
especially young ones. Yeah, a wide receiver is largely dependent
on a quarterback. A quarterback can sometimes Lake broad Purty
be dependent on a running back. It's the opposite a
great running take out. The top five quarterbacks brought Purty's
a different quarterback with Christian McCaffrey. He didn't when McCaffrey
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was healthy. You didn't miss Brandon Ayuk. Running Backs will
always have value.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
Have you seen Eight Mile with Eminem the movie I.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Think, I don't. I don't think the movie, I don't
think I did.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Just this whole middle finger thing reminds me.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
At the end of the movie, there's this amazing rap
off scene and Eminem basically says, I'm still standing here screaming,
you know, bleep the guys who have been beating me
up all the time. And Saquon Barkley could have that.
Imagine if he's a Super Bowl MVP and he gets
to stand at the podium and be like, hey, they
did not want me, and here I had a two
thousand yard season and I won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Colin. That is as good as it gets of a
story in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Think about think about somebody sitting.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
In a room.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
This tells you the state of football in New York.
Somebody sat in a room and said, you know what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna sign dan Old Jones to
an expensive contract. What about Saquon? We can find another
Saquon Barkley. Did they not contextualize it and go, God,
it's amazing how good Saquon is when he has a
(16:11):
bad old line and no receivers to keep safeties out
of the box. Like you start to look at the
Giants and some of these decisions between Gettleman and Joe Shane,
I just don't understand them. I watched Daniel Jones play
in college and I don't I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Get I don't remember anybody's saying you got a lockdown, Dame.
Speaker 10 (16:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean I watched him against bad teams. I never got.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I know he beat the Vikings in that playoff game.
He had, he had a good game.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Vikings that year are the worst defense in the league,
exactly like context matters.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Anyways, let's move on to the Rams. This is kind
of an interesting story. I think gm Less Snead was
asked about the future of both Matthew Stafford and Cooper
Cup and less Snead left the door open for potentially
trading both players. We're talking about a subset of players,
not just Matthew and Cooper, that are coming to the
(16:59):
end of their careers and contracts.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Those are issues we really have to sit down and
talk through.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
I understand Cooper Cup, right, but Matthew.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Stafford, But I think, but now, let's let's let's talk
about this for a second. So we both love Stafford,
both love it and like Brady at the end, he's
still very effective. But as the game is, the culture
of the league has changed. Look at the teams left
two mobile quarterbacks. Look at the top seven or eight
teams in the league. Goff and Stafford are the last
(17:32):
two elite pocket quarterbacks. Is I think the Rams are
looking around. They've always been ahead of the curve on
this stuff. They're looking around, going, guys, we may have
the last great pure pocket quarterback. We may have the
last one because all these kids now come out and
can move overwhelmingly. Five or six of the quarterback Michael
(17:53):
Pennix was the only quarterback I mean, bo Knicks moves,
Jaden moves, Drake moves, Caleb move, they all move. They
all move, OK, And I think I can see them saying,
if we can get a second round pick for Stafford
and you'd get at least two two's for Stafford, they
think they have a good enough roster to kind of
(18:13):
rebuild it with McBay. I think it's on the table.
I would rather move early than late. I think he
has more value now if he comes back next year
and it doesn't go as well because Washington's better and right,
and you look at it and you're thinking, will Matt
Stafford ever have more value than this moment right now?
(18:34):
Because he is both Nobody talks about his age right now.
It's like Stafford, we're putting him a number five in
the league.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
He is thirty six. Oh, he turned thirty seven here
in like eight days or ten days.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, and he's been this year.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
He has an injury. Numbers were a little down this year.
Twenty touchdown passes.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I totally get them. If somebody can, I'm dead serious.
We have seen big name quarterbacks move last several years.
Aaron kirk Russell, They're moving, I am I am dead serious.
I think they would move him, and I think they
love him and they'd move off him for the right price.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Don't see it happening. What if the New York Jets
called the Rams and said, hey, do you want to
get in the Aaron Rodgers business? We would love a
Matthew Stafford final tour with the Jets.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Who would you rather have next year? Matthew Stafford or
Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
A Stafford by mile, absolutely easier in the locker room
A lot. That's a bad Give me another one.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I guess the Jets would have to throw in a
pick of some kind, like, yeah, yeah, I would love
to get in the Stafford business.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Great guy in the community, stand up guy in.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The locker room. No, no, everybody in the back.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
I would take him over at Rogers.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The Rams love him. They have two options. They cannot
draft a quarterback and use all their picks and give
him one final runner the Super Bowl with four or
five new good players. But matt makes so much money
and Cooper Cup makes so much money their offense, those
guys are a lot of money, so they have limitations
on what they can acquire in the market house.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Saints Derek Carr goes to the room.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, they don't want him. No, no, no, you're not
gonna mcpaye's not gonna take make a significantly lest talented
guy quarterback now, he will take a less counted guy
who's free as a second round pick for oh oh yeah.
So my take is if somebody came up, they would
not trade you Stafford. They would get a number one
and the number two.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
It's a tough fit for Stafford. Every quarterback left is mobile,
or the quarterbacks left in.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
The playoffs are all mobile. Baker Mayfield's mobile, Stafford Staffor's mobile. No,
So I think it's one of those things. If you're
the Rams, you absolutely take a phone call because I
think his value now is higher than it's going to be. Okay,
it's gonna be next year.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Final story is the Cleveland Browns. They have the second
pick in the draft. They're probably gonna need to replace
to Sean Watson, who not only as terrible but retore
his achilles.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
There have been reports.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Dion would step in and not allow his sons should
do he to play for certain teams, but the Browns,
despite all appearances that hey, they probably wouldn't want Dion
would not want us on there.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
According to a reporter in Cleveland, GM.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Matthew Berry says he doesn't anticipate that being a problem.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I e.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Dion's intervening and saying Shador don't go to Cleveland. Browns
do not draft him. Do you think Dean would be
cool with that his son going to Cleveland? Now, Stefanski's
a very sharp guy. We know Brown's ownership as well.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well. I mean, Cleveland's it's it's not a it's it's
not a franchise. I love my kid to go to No,
it's not, it's not it.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Do you think Dion would step in be like, don't
take my son.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, I mean the Lways did it, Eli did.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
It, and those were number one overall picks. I don't
think is gonna go one. I don't think there's that's happening.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, it's just hard to say. I think Door
is a really good kid. I am rooting for him
to go somewhere not called Cleveland. I'm rooting for him
to have a great career. I think he'd be fascinating him.
Shador Sanders I even like the name. He just sounds cool,
sounds like a franchise guy, plays like it. He's a
nice pocket guy that's got a little bit of movement.
I am rooting for him to succeed. I don't think
(21:58):
Cleveland's where you go to succeed. Do you do you
disagree with me?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I don't think Schador's in a position where he can
say I'm not going to use second Overall, I don't
think he's in the Eli Manning class coming out. I
don't think he's in the the l Way class coming out.
I just don't I like him. I think he could
do well with stefanskamplee J.
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champion u Kon Huskies take on ninth ranked Marquette Saturday
at seven thirty Eastern on Time.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So we had the great Andy Reid on earlier Today
always fun, another thrilling victory for the Chief, and I
wanted to bring just about five minutes back. One of
the things I asked him if he manages and coaches
his star older players differently like Travis.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
Kelcey, to be honest with you, because I've been around
him for so much, so long, and we've had my
whole duration here and and drafted him and so on,
so I know, I kind of know where he's at
physically mentally, I know what he can do in games,
(24:36):
and and so we try to utilize him. I also
know what's around him, which helps him because for a
while there we were banged up a little bit and
guys were trying to learn, and you know, he was
being double teamed and that wasn't as good for him.
But Travis would be a heck of a football coach.
(24:56):
He's able to get up there and explain things and
teach these young guys exactly what he sees and feels.
Not that they all have that same talent, but he's
got a good feel for the game.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Years ago, I asked Pete Carroll. I was sitting in
his office at USC and I said, what are you
proudest about about your team. And he said, I never
forget this. He said, you have to play nearly perfect
to beat this. He goes, we play so hard. We
play so hard. Now this is where I'm going to
ask you not to be humble for ten seconds. I'll
never ask you this again. This is the only time.
If there was a room of great coaches and they
(25:33):
were talking about Andy Reid and they said, here's Andy's
best quality with Andy's teams. What is the thing that
you want to be remembered for beyond trophies, but that
you're proud of and your team and by the way,
it may be players and you, but what matters to
you beyond the winning in your legacy?
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Yeah, I think teaching. I think that's an important thing.
Being honest with the guys, trusting the guys. I think
those are all all things I think are important. I
hope I'm doing that part of it. So I would
tell you that those are probably the things that i'd
(26:13):
look for.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, people will call you a great teacher. So Michael
Vick once told me, he said, with Andy, Andy lets
you be you, but he coaches around what you can do.
Now you've had mahomes. Now for so many years, are
you coaching Patrick differently today in big games then you
did like four to five years ago.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Yes, four or five years ago. He didn't have the
same feel he's got for the game now and wasn't
as solid with all of his surroundings there in different options,
So yeah, we do it different with him now. I
have a lot of trust in him and what he
knows and what he can do at the line of scrimmage,
(26:58):
and he's very accurate with that, So it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Has he ever talked to in or out of something
on the sidelines when the cameras at CBS go on
and you're now it'll be at Fox when we have
the cameras on you. Has he ever talked to interer
out of something late?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No?
Speaker 9 (27:16):
Uh, but you know he'll have an idea, But normally
he just goes just call it. You know, he's just
wants you to call. If he wants you to call
what's on your mind and and uh, you know, he'll
go run it. He doesn't get into all that, but
I ask him, what do you like here? I have
no problem with that. Matt Nagy does a great job
with that. So it's we try to keep it as
(27:40):
open as possible. And as you know, you're a quarterback. Normally,
if the quarterback likes something, it's going to get done.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah. The I know you've looked at the tape of Philadelphia.
It is a green wall of talent. They they got
dudes and he maybe the only team you match up
with all year and they have more Pro Bowl kind
of level players. What when you pop that tape in
all your years, what is the first thing that jumps
out to you with Philadelphia?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Yeah, I tell you their skill position and their D
line jumps out at you. They've got great scale. We've
got a quarterback that can deal it. Their offensive line
is strong. They've been banged. They were banged up a
little bit, but they're strong.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
And then that D line and their speed on the
second level, the linebacker level and the in the back
end with the secondary shows up. Do you always done
a nice job there?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He has?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Do you envision how games are going to go? Do
you have a sense like Buffalo If I said to you,
it's kind of kind of look like this, like you
came out attack dog. I mean your first drive it
felt like it was kind of scripted a little bit,
but I could tell you'd seen something in the coverage
you went right after it. Do you have a sense
of what games look like before they happen, or do
they develop? And sometimes you just sit back, watch it
(29:04):
develop and call it as it goes.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
Normally this time of the year, Colin, you have a
pretty good idea of what teams are doing. They have
a pretty good idea of what you're doing, and it allows,
really it allows your guys to go out and play
and play fast. And so I'm always telling the guys
that every step you take in the playoffs, the games
(29:28):
get a little faster. Well that's why, you know, it's
not just an effort thing. It's that you've mastered kind
of all these different schemes that we've got in and
you can play fast and that's that goes that way
both sides as special teams.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I did a story at an essay this week
and I said, I I hope you don't retire. I mean,
I cannot imagine retirement. Even if you love golf, is
nearly this fun. Do you ever take a breath and go, damn,
this is fun, this is this is a good time.
Speaker 10 (30:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (30:02):
No, absolutely, I mean, I love doing what I'm doing.
So how many guys have thirty two of us in
the whole world and that have an opportunity to do this?
And then I'm around these kids. So I'm getting older,
loose in my hair, no red hair left. And I
go out there and I'm with a group of guys
(30:23):
that are somewhere between twenty two and thirty five every
day and they bring all his energy. So and if
you're limping, they're gonna get out to you and make
fun of you, you know, So I've got to try
to stand up straight and go right and do my thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I think we were talking about this yesterday on the
show about dynasties all kind of look different. The Spurs
were led by the big fundamental Alabama was mostly led
by this dominating, suffocating defense. USC's was Reggie and Linert
and big personality and flair in Los Angeles. Uh In
(31:01):
in New England's was efficiency and do your job. And
I do think there's a certain flair. That's why I
think Taylor Swift is so fitting in Kelsey's personality. In
Taylor Swift and Mahomes, He's got, you know, kind of
a quirky family. I think it. I think it. I
think it wears well over time. I thought I even
felt being in Connecticut and in Patriots Country, I had
(31:24):
Patriot fatigue. I kind of had. I'll be honest with you,
I have a little bit of Lebron fatigue. Like I'm
waiting for the NBA to find its next revolutionary player.
I've seen that. I'm happy. Don't begrudge it. Like Michael Jordan,
like when he left here, like oh man, no more Michael.
Let's that's how I feel when football season's end. It's like,
(31:45):
oh no more, Bill's Chiefs. Nothing against march madness. I
like that too. But I don't know. I tend to
think this wears pretty well. I think the rating is
going to be big. I think you have the best
roster and the best coaching quarterback, and it's not a surprise.
Those are the things that get you to super Bowls.
Best roster, best coaching quarterback. It wouldn't be good if
(32:06):
the team of the best coaching quarterback also had the
best roster, then you could have a blowout. But what
the ying and y Yang here is Philadelphia. They're not
as good at coach, They're not as good at quarterback,
they're probably better overall roster. And that's why you got
a thirty twenty seven game. J Mack, This show was
a little all over the joint today I started, I
was on one. I had a good night's sleep, and
(32:28):
I had some caffeine this morning. I was on one
this year.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Don't tell people what you had to drink last night. Listen.
Coward reveals a lot of information to me during the breaks.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Go ahead. Caffeine does not affect the way I sleep.
I had a Red Bull at seven thirty, oh, I mean,
and slept like a baby. But I think I woke
up this morning and it was still going through my system.
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