November 6, 2024 • 31 mins
Super Bowl champion and Rams head coach Sean McVay joins the show to discuss their young defensive stars
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Tom Brady was on earlier today and I asked him.
I said, I don't know how much you've watched A
Boonix and Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams, because you're doing
the games. I said, but you know, how long does
it take for a young quarterback for they call it
the light goes on or the game speeds up? And
here was Tom's response.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Patrick, let me get us out of the way. He's
a phenomenal player. To me, is you know he Lamar
Josh Allen. You're talking about the upper echelon, as we
all know, and Patrick is going to go down as
one of the greats ever for a number of reasons.
But if I look at him, he went to college
at Texas Tech. He had Cliff Kingsbury there with him
for three years, an NFL caliber coach running a lot
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of NFL caliber type calls and methodologies by on what
he's doing. So he three years of that. Then he
goes to the Chiefs and he's got Alex Smith as
the guy that's ahead of him, who's a phenomenal player,
great leader, does everything the right way. And then he's
got Andy Reid at his as his play caller. So
it's like there's a reason why it all works, and
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there's this development that happens and why Patrick has been
able to ascend so quickly, and he would have found
a way to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just
saying I could never have reached this area of growth
that I needed to, whether that was year one or
three or five. It was accelerated because of all the
things that I had in place.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, and that's what we've said. That's why Cliff Kingsbury
we predicted. I predicted, and I said, that's gonna work
with Jayden Daniels. First, he's town a second, Kingsbury's perfect.
He's worked with guys that are mobile, that have a
lot of reps. Like it's Kyler Murray. It's a taller
Kyler Murray. It's gonna work and that's what I worry
about in Chicago. It's a defensive coach. The offensive line's
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gotten worse. Do you have the right coordinator? Do you
have the right coach? Here here's more of Brady on
young quarterbacks and the developmental process.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
When you're a young quarterback, ultimately, that's what you're trying
to do. Be in a situation where you can learn, grow, develop.
It's all about mentorship. It's all about the people that
come in your life. We always have to look at,
I think the physical makeup of these young players. What
are they capable of. Do they have good arms?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Do they have great arms?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Are they athletic?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Can they get out of the pocket? Can they? And
then to me, there's a mental element that always comes
into quarterback playing. There's no way for me to really
see sustain success in the NFL at the quarterback position
if you don't have total control of what's being done
out on the field. If you're expecting your coach to
call a play from the sideline and that play's gonna
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come into your helmet, you're gonna call it, You're gonna
walk to the line of scrimmage, and that play's gonna
be successful regardless of the defensive Look, you're out of
your mind.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's not the way it works.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
The defense calls plays to stop you, and they have
their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately
to decide, Okay, I got a play called, I see
what the defense is doing. Is this play gonna work
or not? If it's gonna work, you run it. If
it's not, what do I need to do to survive
the down? Or what do I need to do to
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put us in a position to be really successful? That
to me is the operational control the quarterbacks need.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And most of these guys aren't quite ready to play,
and they need a great coordinator or a great offensive line.
And I feel Jaden Daniels and bow Nicks have more assistance,
more help right now in their process than Caleb Williams.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, no turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
All right, you just mentioned bo Nicks. Let's talk about him.
He's been great for the last month. But Sunday was
a rough one. They got smoked by the Ravens. And
despite the loss, Sean Payton knows the game gave his
staff and players a lot of things to learn from
each week.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
There are these learning experiences we have, not only coaches,
but as players team and you know, if there's some
games where you're going to play more aggressively because you
feel like that what's necessary to win, and that gets
back to that margin prayer that we have to at
least be aware of and understand.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I think I think they're going to get to eight wins,
which is three more than Vegas predicted. I don't think
they'll make the playoffs, but I think you will feel
like they're one more draft away if you start looking.
As you've noted before, this schedule is rough. They're probably
through the easiest part of it. But they get atlant
at home, they got the Raider, they get the Colts
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at home, they got their boy, they get Cleveland at home.
There are wins there. They're not six wins, but I
think there's I think there's three more ws.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So my issue here this week with the Knicks against
the Chiefs, look at the defenses he's faced recently Baltimore
last week, Baltimore's not a great defense is yek right,
he struggled.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Carolina's defense stinks, Saints defense is.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Awful, and Oh, there was that Chargers game where they
were down like twenty to zero and he put up
garbage time stats. Spagnolo. I respect him as the best
defensive coordinator in the league. I think is a brutal
spot for him at bow Knicks, I know he was
the offensive rookie of the month or whatever you want
to call it in October, put up great numbers, but
Colin is a big come down to earth.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I like that bow Knicks was the rookie of the
month whatever or whatever you want to call it. I
think it's called rookie of the month.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
In October.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I mean, just give it to Jayden Daniels every month.
He's been amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
But listen, we'll give Nicks credit and Peyton I would
agree with you. Next just draft in. This offseason's pivotal
for them.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
They got the chance to bump up into like we got.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The class they got there. Yeah, I mean it's it's
I think they're yeah, just below middle class right now,
I think. But I do think I even like the GM.
I think they drafted pretty well. I think they've hit
on a couple of their GM.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Sean Payton, yeah, I like him as well.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's a co GM.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Sure, next story is Tampa rough loss to the Chiefs
some Monday night. You know, listen Ryeie Morris went for
the extra point and then they never touched the ball
again at any rate. It was Tampa's third loss in
four games. The team's injuries are starting to mount. Baker
Mayfield says the team cannot take solace in the fact
they took the defending chance to overtime.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
And right now it's it's about us. It doesn't matter
who we play. We have to focus on just doing
our job and find a ways to win. And that's
that's all that matters. So just gotta stop it. Let's
stop the skid. Look at the things of why we lost.
When we look at the tape, then you go from there.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I thought he actually played really well.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, Todd Bowles obviously the head coach, not Rehey Morris.
I'd mix up Falcons down in the bad division.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think Baker, you know how we talk about sometimes
it's a good loss. I thought that was a good
loss for Baker. I thought he looked a part. I mean,
he's carrying a team that doesn't have their two stars
in the perimeter, and I thought he played really really
well and that top game tying drive in the rain
on the road multiple times got out running. I feel
like he's gotten thinners. I mean, he just feels quicker
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this year.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I guess we got to give a shout out
to the OC there Cohen. He's done a really nice job.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I just I don't think they're going to be able
to make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Colin Godwin done for the season, Evans looks like he's
out for a couple more weeks. They just don't have
the offense. And in the NFC it's loaded. You can't
have these major droughts.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, Atlanta was our pick, I think, and Atlanta had
the easiest schedule, Atlanta had the best offensive line, and
I felt like Atlanta wasn't going to be a great
defensive team. But if you could get them like a
B plus a minus quarterback, and I think that's what
Baker is and I think it is what Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is, Atlanta might be the two seed, which could set
them up against the Minnesota or a Green Bay or
San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Not great for your Falcons, they're yours.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They don't get any pass rush, so anytime they face
a good quarterback Atlanta can get into trouble fast.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
The final story is Arizona. Yeah you guy, Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Listen, They've won three in a row, colin for their
last five now shockingly leading the NFC West. Just absolute
stunning turn of events. This is the first time Arizona
had sole position of first in the West since November
or later since twenty twenty one, which is when they
made the playoffs with Cliff Kingsbury at the Helm.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
After the game, defensive lineman LJ.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Colliers spoke to the wind Streak saying, we are for real.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Stay tuned. Come on, no, they are, They're for real.
You know, it's interesting perceptions reality. So right now, Arizona,
I don't think they're going to remain in first, but
it is an offensive league. Most people watching the show,
most people in Arizona, couldn't name three defensive players. But
their talent is on the offensive side. So their their
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talents on the right side of the ball. There's limitations
on you know, how much you can do defensively. I
will tell you I'm not shocked that Arizona. I mean,
I'm telling you, Between Connor McBride Marvin Harrison, they have
a number two receiver. I think Arizona's a tough out,
and you get them down there in the desert, I
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think they're a tough out. I really so.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
They got outplayed by the Chargers one on the last
second field goal, outplayed by the Dolphins down nine in
the fourth quarter. Of course I had mine win on
the last second field goal, beat the Niners in some
fluky nonsense. Lord, their only good win is the smashing
Vays Rams in Week two when the Rams are exhausted
after the Lions game.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
So I'm just keeping it real over here.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think they're real good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well he's been an NFL Coach of the Year in
a Super Bowl winning coach. His coaching tree is already magnificent.
Sean McVay Rams head coaches Jordan airy Is, there're Sean McVay. Hey,
how you doing.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
How are we doing?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 9 (10:04):
So you complain, We're just getting ready for Monday night now, yeap.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I have to ask you a question. This is
my big question. So I and I don't know the
answer to this, and I'm fascinated by this question, and
I want you to take my audience a little behind
the scenes. You play Seattle, it's a rough first half.
You're struggling to run the ball. It just it's road,
it's loud, it's tough, and nothing's quite. You don't get
your footing under you. So it takes you about two
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minutes to get into the locker room, helmet off. Guys,
get something, and you got about seven eight minutes to
get it right. And then you come out in the
second half. You're inspired, You make defensive places, you're getting
your footing, you're running the ball. What did you say
or what did you adjust? Because you look like a
different team, Sean, how much can you do it? Whatever
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you did work, what can you do? And what did
you do against Seattle?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (10:57):
I think you know when you look at it, Colin,
it's tremendous credit to our players. Obviously, we put ourselves
in that situation by a lot of uncharacteristic errors, jumping
off sides giving them opportunities for free plays.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Losing our pois where we lose one of our best players.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
And there were some things structurally that they were doing
defensively that we weren't really putting our players in favorable spots.
So you just address the truth. You say, here's what's
going on. We're not going to beat ourselves. We get
the possession coming out of the half. Let's continue to
do the things that are in alignment with playing quality football,
and our offense goes right down the field, makes it
a thirteen to ten game. Defense gets a stop we
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would have loved to have punched in for a touchdown.
But three series later, it's thirteen to thirteen with two
offensive possessions and one defensive possession. And you know, we
did some things that were uncharacteristic. But I do think
this is a resilient group. They're mentally tough, they stay
in the fight, and in eight weeks we've had a
lot of different experiences that are reflective of that.
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
Everybody misses on draft picks, but you guys have done.
I mean, I'm watching your safeties. Your third round pick
has a pick six, a couple of picks. The kid
from Tennessee's undrafted. You guys have hit on a lot
of Pooka Nikua fifth round. We all know Stafford's good.
There's certain guys you can see like how long does
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it take you? I mean Jared Verse, I watched them
at college. I watched them the first game. I'm like,
that guy is gonna be a problem. That guy's I
can figure that one out. But like Pooka Nakua or
McCullough the safety, how many practices Sean do you need
to turn to less Snead and go, oh boy, we
got baller here. We may have found a gem here.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 9 (12:43):
I think it's the way these guys carry themselves. And
then obviously there's the evaluation on the field, but he
gets also having a vision, you know, less in his
group and working in collaboration with our coaching staff. I
think there's a vision when you on board these guys,
whether it be draft picks or even some of these
undrafted free agents, but you know.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
You talk about it.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
I like Jalen mccolla that has four interceptions as an
undrafted free.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Agent out of Tennessee.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
He just had a demeanor about himself where he was
a man. There was a prototype in some of these guys.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
That we wanted to on board. We had a real
vision for Puka.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
Now if you said that I know he would be
that good, we would have used a lot.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Earlier pick on him. But there was a vision.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
And then there's a mental and there's a physical toughness,
and there's just a competitiveness that these guys have in
the most important moments.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
And that's what we want to continue to do. I
think when you look at the you know just what
a cyclical league this is.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
Tough people last in this league, tough players and just
tough people in general, and those are the kinds of
guys we want on board.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Now, you're a very young defense. It's obvious you and
Less sat down a couple of years. You knew Aaron
Donald it was getting close to the end, so you
started using a lot of your top picks defense. You
haven't missed on any They're all good. They're just levels
are very good. When you have a young defense, they're
gonna make more mistakes. They're kids, they're twenty three, twenty
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four years old. As a co which do you bake
that in? Are there things you won't ask a young
defense to do? Do you coach twenty four year old
defensive players different than you coaching Aaron Donald or when
you go get a Von Miller. How does it affect
your coach because your defense it leads the league in
sacks by all the you know, rookies and young players,
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but they're all kids, they're getting better every week. How
do you coach them differently?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yeah, I think you want to understand what can they handle?
Speaker 9 (14:27):
And really, regardless of whether that's pros that have been
played for a while, whether that's these rookies second year players,
you know what's their capacity, what can they handle? And
then in a lot of instances, it's a race to maturity,
and I think a lot of these guys are meeting
that and you continue to learn sometimes trial by air.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
I do think that we've done a great job.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
You know, Chris Shula deserves a ton of credit Collin
for the identity that I think we're starting to play with.
We're not perfect by any stretch, but I think there's
a confidence and these guys just keep swinging, you know,
And a lot of instances, what I've been really us
with when we've been on a three game win streak,
there's been some instances where the defenses had to get
stops and offensively, we're trying to get things going.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
But I never sense any sort of frustration from those guys.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
They just go out, they make sudden change stops, they
just continue to play. They make the offense snap it
one more time. And I love working with this group.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, I had Pete Carroll on once and I said,
he totally disagreed. I said, Pete, I want aggressive quarterbacks.
If a guy's throwing thirty two times and I get
a pick every week, if he's taken shots down the field,
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Pete's defensive coach. He seals the world differently. But one
of the things I like about Stafford and Matt's brilliant.
But Matt, I don't think it's reckless. I just think
Matt takes risks and he's comfortable with them, but you
have to be comfortable with them. Matt is very unique
in that he forgets his interceptions, He has a short memory,
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doesn't seem to care much. It's very Andrew luck had
that are there ever any times with Matt you have
a lead, you have something and you say, hey, this
we may we bring it back, or you just trust
him implicitly at any point in the game.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
Oh, there's total trust, you know, but there's a great
rapport that exists. I think one of the best things
you mentioned is if the mistake occurs, which is an
inevitable play in the quarterback position, he's got a no
flinch mindset and he's ready to come back and be
aggressive but smart. But there's opportunities and I think he
understands based on the intent.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Of the play calls.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
You know, when we got that ball back in overtime, yep,
you know, we go play action, we go keeper, run keeper,
and he could feel the aggressiveness and really it's like, hey, man,
go win this game. Let's go in this let's have
that mindset of mentality. And this guy is that that's
one of his best traits. But there is a flow
to the field of games, you know. You look at
the Raiders a couple of weeks ago, our defense had control,
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their offense was turning it over. We were a little
bit more conservative, and so I thought he had a
good feel for that. But that's what you love. If
you have to be able to reign it back based
on how we want to be able to play the.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Game and ultimately come away with the win.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
But that aggressiveness, that fearlessness, that ability to be able
to move on from one play the next, that's one
of the things I think that separates the greats, and
he certainly is one of them.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You know, we had an election yesterday and I always
think about this. You have so much diversity in your
locker room. There may not be bosses in America that
have a more diverse workforce than NFL coaches. Young, old, black, white.
It doesn't matter, Simon, and you have so many different people, Sean,
We've gone through things culturally. We see stuff after a
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night like last night. Do you address it not? I mean,
you have grown ups in your locker room. Some of
these guys have never lived in California, They're from Florida.
Stuff's happening. You've navigated crisis injuries, cultural changes. Do you
address it? Do you address it privately publicly? How does
a guy like you, who is really the face of
the franchise in these big moments, with all these unique personalities,
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do you address it or do you just let it
play out?
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I think you want to have a pulse of what
the reactions are and if if there's guys that want
to be able to talk about it.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
You want to give guys a voice.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I think being able to listen and then be able
to react accordingly. You know you don't want to be
unequipped to handling different situations.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
But I know that it's about.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
Listening, learning, and then you're able to lead. And so
I think you always want to be able to understand
whatever it is that you're navigating through, try to really
see it through an empathetic lens. And if it is
something that guys want to be able to discuss, I'd
like to think there's an open forum, but having a
temperature and a pulse for the vibe of your building,
whether that be players, coaches, staff, whatever it might be.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
If there is something, I think you got to be
able to meet the truth head on.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
You can't be afraid of some of those conversations where
you need to be able to have honesty but also
the ability for guys to be able to get things
off their chest. And that'll never change regardless of whatever
that is that we're navigating or whatever's going on in
the real world that's outside of the framework of just
focusing on football.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You have really unique relationships. Sean McVay for our radio audience,
You have very really relationships with coaches. Your coaching tree.
I'm looking at it today, it's like half of these
guys are my favorite guys in the league. I think
Kevin O'Connell's brilliant, Lafleur's terrific, and they're all different personalities.
But I like all Rahem Morris I thought was a
great pick by Atlanta. I think he's a defensive coach
who has an offensive sensibility. Is it's weird you kind
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of gotta people know that, Sean McVay secrets when they
coach under you. Is it weird to coach against guys
that know your playbook, they know your personality, they know
your risk tolerance. Do you like facing former assistance or
do you just think all week this is the worst?
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Yeah, I think I think it's a blessing.
Speaker 9 (19:41):
I think we've had a lot of guys that have
come through here that have influenced me and our building
in a positive way and then gone on to do
great things, whether that's as coordinators or head coaches. And
so it's a challenge, you know, being able to kind
of onboard as many different people but you attract quality people.
I don't know that you really think about it that
way as much as when you're you're in the right mindset,
you're saying, what a cool thing this is to be
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able to see people you love and care about that
have positively influenced you go do their thing elsewhere and
all those guys you mentioned really happy for them. You know,
we've happened to play a couple of those guys. We
don't play the Falcons this year, but it is strange.
But you know, once the game's kicked off, it's about
focusing on our team, burst their team, and trying to
see if we can come away with the result.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
We're hunting up.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Finally, you have a great energy and it's a long season.
I mean, it's it is all you're It's just long.
It is so long. Do you ever get up? This
will be the final question. Is there ever a moment
with your new family? Do you ever want to call
Less up and say Less, I just need to take
Wednesday off? We got or do you ever do this?
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Do you ever go guys? You go to Stafford, you
go to Cooper Cup? Do you ever just go guys?
I feel it this team's tired. How do you measure that?
And the NFL adds another week. I mean, it just
it just feels like it's a lot. How do you
address that when you sense a fatigh?
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I think being able to ask questions? You know Reggie
Scott are are you know? I lean on him heavily?
Speaker 9 (21:11):
Who you know oversees our sports performance department? You ask
the players questions. Shoot, I know I'm feeling it a lot.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
You know these these games, but but you do you know?
The important thing is I think I have gotten better,
and we've gotten.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
Better collectively, as the staff as saying, okay, you know,
working all these hours, if you're not sharp, if you're
not fresh, if you don't have the right vibe and
energy for the players, then you're wasting your time and
so paying more attention to getting your rest and understanding
the things when you're like, all right, man, I'm irritable.
I'm not the most fun guy to be around. Let's
go get a workout in, or let's make sure you
get some rest tonight and get out of the office
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a little bit earlier. I think I've improved by no
means have I arrived in that arena. But it is
a long grind, but you always want to remember. Like
my man Andrew Whitworth said, it's always a blessing, never
a burden.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, well I love him. Rams hosted Dolphins. Just loved
having you on the show. I haven't had you on yet.
I just you know, I'm such an admirer. I really
appreciate you taking ten twenty minutes for us today.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Coach Well feelings for mutual. I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Colin all right, Sean McVay, really really brilliant young coach
of the La Rams. It is I felt it. You
know what's funny, Jay Mac is we did this for
a living, but during the football season. I mean, nobody
has sympathy for us, but we work seven days. I mean,
you just I'm watching Saturday. I'm watching four games Sunday.
I felt it was interesting cause I asked that question
because this Sunday. I was talking to a buddy last
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night who was in New Orleans. I said, I felt
it this Sunday. Maybe it was the election coming up,
the fatigue, the intensity. Sunday. I was like, Okay, I've
hit a wall, and like I was trying, I was
struggling to stay awake watching the games. I was just tired.
I went to bed, really or I went to bed
early last night. I went to bed. And it's just
interesting you think about this all the time like this.
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I mean, you just add a game. This is really
a twenty six week, twenty eight week of non stop intensity.
It is hard.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Are you sure it's not the cigars just getting to you.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Maybe you got to dial those back, big guy, last cigar,
a little more of the gum that gives you energy
and pep.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know what. I've been doing more cigars and less neurogum,
and maybe I should I should pivot a little more gum,
a little fewer cigars.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I think.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
I'm I'm, I'm kind of right there with you, you know,
like not with the cigars, but just kind of worn
down a little bit. You know, my son had a
chest tournament over the weekend. I brought literally my computer
and my phone.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I'm on the.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Listening to Red Zone and watching and Fantasy and that
stuff just kind of wears you down.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I know, nobody's got sympathy for us, right right right, but.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
It's like you got to constantly be honest. Are you
doing in game betting.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, no, I'm doing in game notes.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Add that, add that to the rip.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I'm very boring. On Sundays, uh back in a second
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Speaker 1 (24:19):
We got lucky today. We had Tom Brady stop by
for twenty minutes and Sean McVeigh stop by for fifteen minutes.
I always feel a little ill equipped on days after
elections every four years to sort of address what happens.
Everybody's got strong feelings. I tend to try to stay
in the middle on this stuff. You know, I know
a lot of people agree with me, disagree it is
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what it is, but I would you know, it's funny.
I was texting my kids this morning, who both have
like different views of the world, and I said, you know,
this is one of these days at price, stay off
the internet and reach out to people who make you smile.
And that's a life is not going to give you
all do ws you have really bad days, somebody's gonna
break your heart, somebody's gonna drive you that someday you'll
(25:00):
get fired. How do you react to it. You're not
gonna get your way, and if you think you are,
you're living in Lalla Land. That's just not the way
it works. So work with people, whether you agree with
him or not. And you know, I'm for America. I
don't have to win the elections every time, nor do
I expect to. I was a little surprised when a landslide,
but you know, this is America. The blue team turned
a lot of people off, and America voted yesterday, and
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America told you what they think, and what they told
you is they were kind of across the board tired
of the Blue team. And you move on. It's the
next day. So Tom Brady earlier today, he just did
the Lions game, and the Lions just mauled the Packers.
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It was really wasn't he It wasn't as close as
the score would tell you. It was not a competitive game,
and it was green Bay and the bad weather looked
like they were unprepared. Detroit a dome team in the
outdoor allows the weather looked great, very comfortable. And I said,
when you watch Detroit, they're so equipped, like it's an
all star team. They had like six Pro Bowl level
players golf, their tackles, their center Amoran Saint Brown Laporta,
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like they got everything. They don't really have a weakness.
They have a deep threat when he's healthy. Williams and
I said, if there was a team in his playing
day similar to the Lions, that you had a kind
of sense when you played them they didn't have any
weaknesses and you were gonna have to outscore them to win.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I would say the early Colts offenses we faced, they
were so good and I'm lucky I didn't have to
go against them, and to me, it was great. Belichick
would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting.
Understand this. They are gonna move the ball on us.
They're too good. They got so many guys, they're gonna
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go up and down. We need to play good red
area defense, and we're gonna work on red area defense
on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday because that's gonna decide the game.
They're gonna get the ball down there, which is a
great humility for from a coach who's a defensive coach,
who's essentially the coordinator to say, these guys are so good,
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we're not gonna just you know, pull the wold Over
eyes and thinks that we're gonna keep these guys at
two hundred and forty yards offense. They're gonna have They're
gonna have yards. What we need to do is keep
the points down. If we can keep the points down
and offensively we can control the game, we can run
the ball, and then we can score points, we're gonna
give ourselves a best chance to win. That to me
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is complimentary football. So when you play the Lions, the
only way to beat them is to play a style
where the offense compliments the defense and then the kicking
game does their job.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I think it's I think Baltimore had a team,
a couple of teams, the Ed Reid ray Lewis defensive
teams where you're like, they kind of did everything well.
They had an elite corner, they had arguably the greatest safety,
they had a pass rush, they had the best Mike linebacker.
They were nasty and physical, and you don't get this
a lot with a salary cap. You almost feel like Detroit.
The tackles, the center, the quarterback, the coordinator, the coach,
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the slot guy, the deep guy, the excellent tight end.
It's kind of when healthy, it's a perfect offense. And
you could say, well, what about Goff. Goff actually compliments
them because this is the one team in the league
they could win a Super Bowl. Was strictly a pocket quarterback.
They don't need to extend the pocket. They're running backs
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canna extend the pocket. They can do so many things.
And you don't get this much in the salary cap era,
where you feel like you kind of New England when
they had Randy Moss offensively underneath guys slot guy's Moss, Brady,
good old line, good run game. Backs could catch. You
just don't get it much. Seattle's defense years ago when
they had Richard Sherman, and then you've got Earl Thomas
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on the back end and Cam Chancellor at linebacker and
good interior defenders. I thought the Seahawks defense for a
couple of years they could do everything. They could punch
you physically, they can they could, they could pass rush it,
they could cover, they could bring multiple people, and yet
about every five or six years you look up and
there's just somebody Like Kansas City right now is a
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long way from perfect. Even Travis Kelcey past his prime.
And their run game is okay. It's more methodical than
home run. They have a really good deep threatened Zavy
or Worthy, but he didn't know what he's doing. He's
stepping out of bounds. He's trying to learn the game.
They're moving people in out d hot now will become
their volume receiver eight to ten looks of game, seven
(29:31):
to eight catches. So even the teams that are really good,
like San Francisco defensively doesn't feel as good. They got
bos on the edge, but they don't get the interior push.
They're missing one of their linebackers. They're good, not great
at corner. Their safety Hufung has been you know, there's
injuries so well. You think of San Francisco as being
an elite defensive unit, but they've got elite defensive players,
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but they're not an elite unit. There have been times
teams have controlled the clock against San Francisco. So I
feel Detroit's in this very unique space, and I do
think it's fairly inevitable that Detroit plays Kansas City in
the Super Bowl. I think Detroit's going to have an
easier time getting there than Kansas City is. I think
Baltimore and Buffalo. I do think the Chargers really match
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up with Kansas City. I look at Detroit in the NFC,
I guess they're San Francisco, but they play San Francisco
in Week seventeen, so they're going to get a taste
of them. They know what they're like, they have a
sense of what they are, and yeah, I don't see
a lot of weaknesses. I really don't. I had Tampa
beat I don't even remember that game. Tampa beat him earlier.
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They were bad in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Remember well that was a game where GoF there were
some injuries to the buck secondary and they decided we're
going to have Golf throw fifty five chasses And it
was like Ben Johnson was trying to outthink himself. Yeah,
that hasn't throw more than twenty five passes in the game.
They've gotten smart. They got back to the basics. We're
going to run the football down your throat. You can't
do a damn thing about it. When you crowd the
line of scrimmage, we're going to beat you at Laporta Amara. Oh,
by the way, Jameson Williams comes back from his suspension
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this week like lines are stacked them.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah. I mean he feels like your fourth option.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
I think they're going to the super Bowl, so do I.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I do too. I think they're a younger version of
the Niners and veterant quarterback believe it or not.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Tom Brady was on earlier today and I asked him.
I said, I don't know how much you've watched A
Boonix and Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams, because you're doing
the games. I said, but you know, how long does
it take for a young quarterback for they call it
the light goes on or the game speeds up? And
here was Tom's response.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Patrick, let me get us out of the way. He's
a phenomenal player. To me, is you know he Lamar
Josh Allen. You're talking about the upper echelon, as we
all know, and Patrick is going to go down as
one of the greats ever for a number of reasons.
But if I look at him, he went to college
at Texas Tech. He had Cliff Kingsbury there with him
for three years, an NFL caliber coach running a lot
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of NFL caliber type calls and methodologies by on what
he's doing. So he three years of that. Then he
goes to the Chiefs and he's got Alex Smith as
the guy that's ahead of him, who's a phenomenal player,
great leader, does everything the right way. And then he's
got Andy Reid at his as his play caller. So
it's like there's a reason why it all works, and
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there's this development that happens and why Patrick has been
able to ascend so quickly, and he would have found
a way to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just
saying I could never have reached this area of growth
that I needed to, whether that was year one or
three or five. It was accelerated because of all the
things that I had in place.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, and that's what we've said. That's why Cliff Kingsbury
we predicted. I predicted, and I said, that's gonna work
with Jayden Daniels. First, he's town a second, Kingsbury's perfect.
He's worked with guys that are mobile, that have a
lot of reps. Like it's Kyler Murray. It's a taller
Kyler Murray. It's gonna work and that's what I worry
about in Chicago. It's a defensive coach. The offensive line's
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gotten worse. Do you have the right coordinator? Do you
have the right coach? Here here's more of Brady on
young quarterbacks and the developmental process.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
When you're a young quarterback, ultimately, that's what you're trying
to do. Be in a situation where you can learn, grow, develop.
It's all about mentorship. It's all about the people that
come in your life. We always have to look at,
I think the physical makeup of these young players. What
are they capable of. Do they have good arms?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Do they have great arms?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Are they athletic?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Can they get out of the pocket? Can they? And
then to me, there's a mental element that always comes
into quarterback playing. There's no way for me to really
see sustain success in the NFL at the quarterback position
if you don't have total control of what's being done
out on the field. If you're expecting your coach to
call a play from the sideline and that play's gonna
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come into your helmet, you're gonna call it, You're gonna
walk to the line of scrimmage, and that play's gonna
be successful regardless of the defensive Look, you're out of
your mind.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's not the way it works.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
The defense calls plays to stop you, and they have
their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately
to decide, Okay, I got a play called, I see
what the defense is doing. Is this play gonna work
or not? If it's gonna work, you run it. If
it's not, what do I need to do to survive
the down? Or what do I need to do to
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put us in a position to be really successful? That
to me is the operational control the quarterbacks need.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And most of these guys aren't quite ready to play,
and they need a great coordinator or a great offensive line.
And I feel Jaden Daniels and bow Nicks have more assistance,
more help right now in their process than Caleb Williams.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, no turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
All right, you just mentioned bo Nicks. Let's talk about him.
He's been great for the last month. But Sunday was
a rough one. They got smoked by the Ravens. And
despite the loss, Sean Payton knows the game gave his
staff and players a lot of things to learn from
each week.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
There are these learning experiences we have, not only coaches,
but as players team and you know, if there's some
games where you're going to play more aggressively because you
feel like that what's necessary to win, and that gets
back to that margin prayer that we have to at
least be aware of and understand.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I think I think they're going to get to eight wins,
which is three more than Vegas predicted. I don't think
they'll make the playoffs, but I think you will feel
like they're one more draft away if you start looking.
As you've noted before, this schedule is rough. They're probably
through the easiest part of it. But they get atlant
at home, they got the Raider, they get the Colts
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at home, they got their boy, they get Cleveland at home.
There are wins there. They're not six wins, but I
think there's I think there's three more ws.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
So my issue here this week with the Knicks against
the Chiefs, look at the defenses he's faced recently Baltimore
last week, Baltimore's not a great defense is yek right,
he struggled.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Carolina's defense stinks, Saints defense is.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Awful, and Oh, there was that Chargers game where they
were down like twenty to zero and he put up
garbage time stats. Spagnolo. I respect him as the best
defensive coordinator in the league. I think is a brutal
spot for him at bow Knicks, I know he was
the offensive rookie of the month or whatever you want
to call it in October, put up great numbers, but
Colin is a big come down to earth.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I like that bow Knicks was the rookie of the
month whatever or whatever you want to call it. I
think it's called rookie of the month.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
In October.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I mean, just give it to Jayden Daniels every month.
He's been amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
But listen, we'll give Nicks credit and Peyton I would
agree with you. Next just draft in. This offseason's pivotal
for them.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
They got the chance to bump up into like we got.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The class they got there. Yeah, I mean it's it's
I think they're yeah, just below middle class right now,
I think. But I do think I even like the GM.
I think they drafted pretty well. I think they've hit
on a couple of their GM.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Sean Payton, yeah, I like him as well.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's a co GM.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Sure, next story is Tampa rough loss to the Chiefs
some Monday night. You know, listen Ryeie Morris went for
the extra point and then they never touched the ball
again at any rate. It was Tampa's third loss in
four games. The team's injuries are starting to mount. Baker
Mayfield says the team cannot take solace in the fact
they took the defending chance to overtime.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
And right now it's it's about us. It doesn't matter
who we play. We have to focus on just doing
our job and find a ways to win. And that's
that's all that matters. So just gotta stop it. Let's
stop the skid. Look at the things of why we lost.
When we look at the tape, then you go from there.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I thought he actually played really well.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, Todd Bowles obviously the head coach, not Rehey Morris.
I'd mix up Falcons down in the bad division.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think Baker, you know how we talk about sometimes
it's a good loss. I thought that was a good
loss for Baker. I thought he looked a part. I mean,
he's carrying a team that doesn't have their two stars
in the perimeter, and I thought he played really really
well and that top game tying drive in the rain
on the road multiple times got out running. I feel
like he's gotten thinners. I mean, he just feels quicker
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this year.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I guess we got to give a shout out
to the OC there Cohen. He's done a really nice job.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I just I don't think they're going to be able
to make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Colin Godwin done for the season, Evans looks like he's
out for a couple more weeks. They just don't have
the offense. And in the NFC it's loaded. You can't
have these major droughts.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, Atlanta was our pick, I think, and Atlanta had
the easiest schedule, Atlanta had the best offensive line, and
I felt like Atlanta wasn't going to be a great
defensive team. But if you could get them like a
B plus a minus quarterback, and I think that's what
Baker is and I think it is what Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is, Atlanta might be the two seed, which could set
them up against the Minnesota or a Green Bay or
San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Not great for your Falcons, they're yours.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They don't get any pass rush, so anytime they face
a good quarterback Atlanta can get into trouble fast.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
The final story is Arizona. Yeah you guy, Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Listen, They've won three in a row, colin for their
last five now shockingly leading the NFC West. Just absolute
stunning turn of events. This is the first time Arizona
had sole position of first in the West since November
or later since twenty twenty one, which is when they
made the playoffs with Cliff Kingsbury at the Helm.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
After the game, defensive lineman LJ.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Colliers spoke to the wind Streak saying, we are for real.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Stay tuned. Come on, no, they are, They're for real.
You know, it's interesting perceptions reality. So right now, Arizona,
I don't think they're going to remain in first, but
it is an offensive league. Most people watching the show,
most people in Arizona, couldn't name three defensive players. But
their talent is on the offensive side. So their their
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talents on the right side of the ball. There's limitations
on you know, how much you can do defensively. I
will tell you I'm not shocked that Arizona. I mean,
I'm telling you, Between Connor McBride Marvin Harrison, they have
a number two receiver. I think Arizona's a tough out,
and you get them down there in the desert, I
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think they're a tough out. I really so.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
They got outplayed by the Chargers one on the last
second field goal, outplayed by the Dolphins down nine in
the fourth quarter. Of course I had mine win on
the last second field goal, beat the Niners in some
fluky nonsense. Lord, their only good win is the smashing
Vays Rams in Week two when the Rams are exhausted
after the Lions game.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
So I'm just keeping it real over here.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think they're real good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well he's been an NFL Coach of the Year in
a Super Bowl winning coach. His coaching tree is already magnificent.
Sean McVay Rams head coaches Jordan airy Is, there're Sean McVay. Hey,
how you doing.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
How are we doing?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 9 (10:04):
So you complain, We're just getting ready for Monday night now, yeap.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I have to ask you a question. This is
my big question. So I and I don't know the
answer to this, and I'm fascinated by this question, and
I want you to take my audience a little behind
the scenes. You play Seattle, it's a rough first half.
You're struggling to run the ball. It just it's road,
it's loud, it's tough, and nothing's quite. You don't get
your footing under you. So it takes you about two
(10:28):
minutes to get into the locker room, helmet off. Guys,
get something, and you got about seven eight minutes to
get it right. And then you come out in the
second half. You're inspired, You make defensive places, you're getting
your footing, you're running the ball. What did you say
or what did you adjust? Because you look like a
different team, Sean, how much can you do it? Whatever
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you did work, what can you do? And what did
you do against Seattle?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (10:57):
I think you know when you look at it, Colin,
it's tremendous credit to our players. Obviously, we put ourselves
in that situation by a lot of uncharacteristic errors, jumping
off sides giving them opportunities for free plays.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Losing our pois where we lose one of our best players.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
And there were some things structurally that they were doing
defensively that we weren't really putting our players in favorable spots.
So you just address the truth. You say, here's what's
going on. We're not going to beat ourselves. We get
the possession coming out of the half. Let's continue to
do the things that are in alignment with playing quality football,
and our offense goes right down the field, makes it
a thirteen to ten game. Defense gets a stop we
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would have loved to have punched in for a touchdown.
But three series later, it's thirteen to thirteen with two
offensive possessions and one defensive possession. And you know, we
did some things that were uncharacteristic. But I do think
this is a resilient group. They're mentally tough, they stay
in the fight, and in eight weeks we've had a
lot of different experiences that are reflective of that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
Everybody misses on draft picks, but you guys have done.
I mean, I'm watching your safeties. Your third round pick
has a pick six, a couple of picks. The kid
from Tennessee's undrafted. You guys have hit on a lot
of Pooka Nikua fifth round. We all know Stafford's good.
There's certain guys you can see like how long does
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it take you? I mean Jared Verse, I watched them
at college. I watched them the first game. I'm like,
that guy is gonna be a problem. That guy's I
can figure that one out. But like Pooka Nakua or
McCullough the safety, how many practices Sean do you need
to turn to less Snead and go, oh boy, we
got baller here. We may have found a gem here.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 9 (12:43):
I think it's the way these guys carry themselves. And
then obviously there's the evaluation on the field, but he
gets also having a vision, you know, less in his
group and working in collaboration with our coaching staff. I
think there's a vision when you on board these guys,
whether it be draft picks or even some of these
undrafted free agents, but you know.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
You talk about it.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
I like Jalen mccolla that has four interceptions as an
undrafted free.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Agent out of Tennessee.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
He just had a demeanor about himself where he was
a man. There was a prototype in some of these guys.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
That we wanted to on board. We had a real
vision for Puka.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
Now if you said that I know he would be
that good, we would have used a lot.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Earlier pick on him. But there was a vision.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
And then there's a mental and there's a physical toughness,
and there's just a competitiveness that these guys have in
the most important moments.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
And that's what we want to continue to do. I
think when you look at the you know just what
a cyclical league this is.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
Tough people last in this league, tough players and just
tough people in general, and those are the kinds of
guys we want on board.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Now, you're a very young defense. It's obvious you and
Less sat down a couple of years. You knew Aaron
Donald it was getting close to the end, so you
started using a lot of your top picks defense. You
haven't missed on any They're all good. They're just levels
are very good. When you have a young defense, they're
gonna make more mistakes. They're kids, they're twenty three, twenty
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four years old. As a co which do you bake
that in? Are there things you won't ask a young
defense to do? Do you coach twenty four year old
defensive players different than you coaching Aaron Donald or when
you go get a Von Miller. How does it affect
your coach because your defense it leads the league in
sacks by all the you know, rookies and young players,
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but they're all kids, they're getting better every week. How
do you coach them differently?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yeah, I think you want to understand what can they handle?
Speaker 9 (14:27):
And really, regardless of whether that's pros that have been
played for a while, whether that's these rookies second year players,
you know what's their capacity, what can they handle? And
then in a lot of instances, it's a race to maturity,
and I think a lot of these guys are meeting
that and you continue to learn sometimes trial by air.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
I do think that we've done a great job.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
You know, Chris Shula deserves a ton of credit Collin
for the identity that I think we're starting to play with.
We're not perfect by any stretch, but I think there's
a confidence and these guys just keep swinging, you know,
And a lot of instances, what I've been really us
with when we've been on a three game win streak,
there's been some instances where the defenses had to get
stops and offensively, we're trying to get things going.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
But I never sense any sort of frustration from those guys.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
They just go out, they make sudden change stops, they
just continue to play. They make the offense snap it
one more time. And I love working with this group.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, I had Pete Carroll on once and I said,
he totally disagreed. I said, Pete, I want aggressive quarterbacks.
If a guy's throwing thirty two times and I get
a pick every week, if he's taken shots down the field,
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Pete's defensive coach. He seals the world differently. But one
of the things I like about Stafford and Matt's brilliant.
But Matt, I don't think it's reckless. I just think
Matt takes risks and he's comfortable with them, but you
have to be comfortable with them. Matt is very unique
in that he forgets his interceptions, He has a short memory,
(15:49):
doesn't seem to care much. It's very Andrew luck had
that are there ever any times with Matt you have
a lead, you have something and you say, hey, this
we may we bring it back, or you just trust
him implicitly at any point in the game.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
Oh, there's total trust, you know, but there's a great
rapport that exists. I think one of the best things
you mentioned is if the mistake occurs, which is an
inevitable play in the quarterback position, he's got a no
flinch mindset and he's ready to come back and be
aggressive but smart. But there's opportunities and I think he
understands based on the intent.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Of the play calls.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
You know, when we got that ball back in overtime, yep,
you know, we go play action, we go keeper, run keeper,
and he could feel the aggressiveness and really it's like, hey, man,
go win this game. Let's go in this let's have
that mindset of mentality. And this guy is that that's
one of his best traits. But there is a flow
to the field of games, you know. You look at
the Raiders a couple of weeks ago, our defense had control,
(16:46):
their offense was turning it over. We were a little
bit more conservative, and so I thought he had a
good feel for that. But that's what you love. If
you have to be able to reign it back based
on how we want to be able to play the.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Game and ultimately come away with the win.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
But that aggressiveness, that fearlessness, that ability to be able
to move on from one play the next, that's one
of the things I think that separates the greats, and
he certainly is one of them.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You know, we had an election yesterday and I always
think about this. You have so much diversity in your
locker room. There may not be bosses in America that
have a more diverse workforce than NFL coaches. Young, old, black, white.
It doesn't matter, Simon, and you have so many different people, Sean,
We've gone through things culturally. We see stuff after a
(17:29):
night like last night. Do you address it not? I mean,
you have grown ups in your locker room. Some of
these guys have never lived in California, They're from Florida.
Stuff's happening. You've navigated crisis injuries, cultural changes. Do you
address it? Do you address it privately publicly? How does
a guy like you, who is really the face of
the franchise in these big moments, with all these unique personalities,
(17:52):
do you address it or do you just let it
play out?
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I think you want to have a pulse of what
the reactions are and if if there's guys that want
to be able to talk about it.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
You want to give guys a voice.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I think being able to listen and then be able
to react accordingly. You know you don't want to be
unequipped to handling different situations.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
But I know that it's about.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
Listening, learning, and then you're able to lead. And so
I think you always want to be able to understand
whatever it is that you're navigating through, try to really
see it through an empathetic lens. And if it is
something that guys want to be able to discuss, I'd
like to think there's an open forum, but having a
temperature and a pulse for the vibe of your building,
whether that be players, coaches, staff, whatever it might be.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
If there is something, I think you got to be
able to meet the truth head on.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
You can't be afraid of some of those conversations where
you need to be able to have honesty but also
the ability for guys to be able to get things
off their chest. And that'll never change regardless of whatever
that is that we're navigating or whatever's going on in
the real world that's outside of the framework of just
focusing on football.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You have really unique relationships. Sean McVay for our radio audience,
You have very really relationships with coaches. Your coaching tree.
I'm looking at it today, it's like half of these
guys are my favorite guys in the league. I think
Kevin O'Connell's brilliant, Lafleur's terrific, and they're all different personalities.
But I like all Rahem Morris I thought was a
great pick by Atlanta. I think he's a defensive coach
who has an offensive sensibility. Is it's weird you kind
(19:19):
of gotta people know that, Sean McVay secrets when they
coach under you. Is it weird to coach against guys
that know your playbook, they know your personality, they know
your risk tolerance. Do you like facing former assistance or
do you just think all week this is the worst?
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Yeah, I think I think it's a blessing.
Speaker 9 (19:41):
I think we've had a lot of guys that have
come through here that have influenced me and our building
in a positive way and then gone on to do
great things, whether that's as coordinators or head coaches. And
so it's a challenge, you know, being able to kind
of onboard as many different people but you attract quality people.
I don't know that you really think about it that
way as much as when you're you're in the right mindset,
you're saying, what a cool thing this is to be
(20:03):
able to see people you love and care about that
have positively influenced you go do their thing elsewhere and
all those guys you mentioned really happy for them. You know,
we've happened to play a couple of those guys. We
don't play the Falcons this year, but it is strange.
But you know, once the game's kicked off, it's about
focusing on our team, burst their team, and trying to
see if we can come away with the result.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
We're hunting up.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Finally, you have a great energy and it's a long season.
I mean, it's it is all you're It's just long.
It is so long. Do you ever get up? This
will be the final question. Is there ever a moment
with your new family? Do you ever want to call
Less up and say Less, I just need to take
Wednesday off? We got or do you ever do this?
(20:44):
Do you ever go guys? You go to Stafford, you
go to Cooper Cup? Do you ever just go guys?
I feel it this team's tired. How do you measure that?
And the NFL adds another week. I mean, it just
it just feels like it's a lot. How do you
address that when you sense a fatigh?
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I think being able to ask questions? You know Reggie
Scott are are you know? I lean on him heavily?
Speaker 9 (21:11):
Who you know oversees our sports performance department? You ask
the players questions. Shoot, I know I'm feeling it a lot.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
You know these these games, but but you do you know?
The important thing is I think I have gotten better,
and we've gotten.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
Better collectively, as the staff as saying, okay, you know,
working all these hours, if you're not sharp, if you're
not fresh, if you don't have the right vibe and
energy for the players, then you're wasting your time and
so paying more attention to getting your rest and understanding
the things when you're like, all right, man, I'm irritable.
I'm not the most fun guy to be around. Let's
go get a workout in, or let's make sure you
get some rest tonight and get out of the office
(21:44):
a little bit earlier. I think I've improved by no
means have I arrived in that arena. But it is
a long grind, but you always want to remember. Like
my man Andrew Whitworth said, it's always a blessing, never
a burden.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, well I love him. Rams hosted Dolphins. Just loved
having you on the show. I haven't had you on yet.
I just you know, I'm such an admirer. I really
appreciate you taking ten twenty minutes for us today.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Coach Well feelings for mutual. I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Colin all right, Sean McVay, really really brilliant young coach
of the La Rams. It is I felt it. You
know what's funny, Jay Mac is we did this for
a living, but during the football season. I mean, nobody
has sympathy for us, but we work seven days. I mean,
you just I'm watching Saturday. I'm watching four games Sunday.
I felt it was interesting cause I asked that question
because this Sunday. I was talking to a buddy last
(22:30):
night who was in New Orleans. I said, I felt
it this Sunday. Maybe it was the election coming up,
the fatigue, the intensity. Sunday. I was like, Okay, I've
hit a wall, and like I was trying, I was
struggling to stay awake watching the games. I was just tired.
I went to bed, really or I went to bed
early last night. I went to bed. And it's just
interesting you think about this all the time like this.
(22:52):
I mean, you just add a game. This is really
a twenty six week, twenty eight week of non stop intensity.
It is hard.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Are you sure it's not the cigars just getting to you.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Maybe you got to dial those back, big guy, last cigar,
a little more of the gum that gives you energy
and pep.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know what. I've been doing more cigars and less neurogum,
and maybe I should I should pivot a little more gum,
a little fewer cigars.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I think.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
I'm I'm, I'm kind of right there with you, you know,
like not with the cigars, but just kind of worn
down a little bit. You know, my son had a
chest tournament over the weekend. I brought literally my computer
and my phone.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I'm on the.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Listening to Red Zone and watching and Fantasy and that
stuff just kind of wears you down.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I know, nobody's got sympathy for us, right right right, but.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
It's like you got to constantly be honest. Are you
doing in game betting.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, no, I'm doing in game notes.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Add that, add that to the rip.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I'm very boring. On Sundays, uh back in a second
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Speaker 1 (24:19):
We got lucky today. We had Tom Brady stop by
for twenty minutes and Sean McVeigh stop by for fifteen minutes.
I always feel a little ill equipped on days after
elections every four years to sort of address what happens.
Everybody's got strong feelings. I tend to try to stay
in the middle on this stuff. You know, I know
a lot of people agree with me, disagree it is
(24:39):
what it is, but I would you know, it's funny.
I was texting my kids this morning, who both have
like different views of the world, and I said, you know,
this is one of these days at price, stay off
the internet and reach out to people who make you smile.
And that's a life is not going to give you
all do ws you have really bad days, somebody's gonna
break your heart, somebody's gonna drive you that someday you'll
(25:00):
get fired. How do you react to it. You're not
gonna get your way, and if you think you are,
you're living in Lalla Land. That's just not the way
it works. So work with people, whether you agree with
him or not. And you know, I'm for America. I
don't have to win the elections every time, nor do
I expect to. I was a little surprised when a landslide,
but you know, this is America. The blue team turned
a lot of people off, and America voted yesterday, and
(25:23):
America told you what they think, and what they told
you is they were kind of across the board tired
of the Blue team. And you move on. It's the
next day. So Tom Brady earlier today, he just did
the Lions game, and the Lions just mauled the Packers.
(25:44):
It was really wasn't he It wasn't as close as
the score would tell you. It was not a competitive game,
and it was green Bay and the bad weather looked
like they were unprepared. Detroit a dome team in the
outdoor allows the weather looked great, very comfortable. And I said,
when you watch Detroit, they're so equipped, like it's an
all star team. They had like six Pro Bowl level
players golf, their tackles, their center Amoran Saint Brown Laporta,
(26:08):
like they got everything. They don't really have a weakness.
They have a deep threat when he's healthy. Williams and
I said, if there was a team in his playing
day similar to the Lions, that you had a kind
of sense when you played them they didn't have any
weaknesses and you were gonna have to outscore them to win.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I would say the early Colts offenses we faced, they
were so good and I'm lucky I didn't have to
go against them, and to me, it was great. Belichick
would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting.
Understand this. They are gonna move the ball on us.
They're too good. They got so many guys, they're gonna
(26:47):
go up and down. We need to play good red
area defense, and we're gonna work on red area defense
on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday because that's gonna decide the game.
They're gonna get the ball down there, which is a
great humility for from a coach who's a defensive coach,
who's essentially the coordinator to say, these guys are so good,
(27:07):
we're not gonna just you know, pull the wold Over
eyes and thinks that we're gonna keep these guys at
two hundred and forty yards offense. They're gonna have They're
gonna have yards. What we need to do is keep
the points down. If we can keep the points down
and offensively we can control the game, we can run
the ball, and then we can score points, we're gonna
give ourselves a best chance to win. That to me
(27:29):
is complimentary football. So when you play the Lions, the
only way to beat them is to play a style
where the offense compliments the defense and then the kicking
game does their job.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I think it's I think Baltimore had a team,
a couple of teams, the Ed Reid ray Lewis defensive
teams where you're like, they kind of did everything well.
They had an elite corner, they had arguably the greatest safety,
they had a pass rush, they had the best Mike linebacker.
They were nasty and physical, and you don't get this
a lot with a salary cap. You almost feel like Detroit.
The tackles, the center, the quarterback, the coordinator, the coach,
(28:07):
the slot guy, the deep guy, the excellent tight end.
It's kind of when healthy, it's a perfect offense. And
you could say, well, what about Goff. Goff actually compliments
them because this is the one team in the league
they could win a Super Bowl. Was strictly a pocket quarterback.
They don't need to extend the pocket. They're running backs
(28:27):
canna extend the pocket. They can do so many things.
And you don't get this much in the salary cap era,
where you feel like you kind of New England when
they had Randy Moss offensively underneath guys slot guy's Moss, Brady,
good old line, good run game. Backs could catch. You
just don't get it much. Seattle's defense years ago when
they had Richard Sherman, and then you've got Earl Thomas
(28:50):
on the back end and Cam Chancellor at linebacker and
good interior defenders. I thought the Seahawks defense for a
couple of years they could do everything. They could punch
you physically, they can they could, they could pass rush it,
they could cover, they could bring multiple people, and yet
about every five or six years you look up and
there's just somebody Like Kansas City right now is a
(29:11):
long way from perfect. Even Travis Kelcey past his prime.
And their run game is okay. It's more methodical than
home run. They have a really good deep threatened Zavy
or Worthy, but he didn't know what he's doing. He's
stepping out of bounds. He's trying to learn the game.
They're moving people in out d hot now will become
their volume receiver eight to ten looks of game, seven
(29:31):
to eight catches. So even the teams that are really good,
like San Francisco defensively doesn't feel as good. They got
bos on the edge, but they don't get the interior push.
They're missing one of their linebackers. They're good, not great
at corner. Their safety Hufung has been you know, there's
injuries so well. You think of San Francisco as being
an elite defensive unit, but they've got elite defensive players,
(29:52):
but they're not an elite unit. There have been times
teams have controlled the clock against San Francisco. So I
feel Detroit's in this very unique space, and I do
think it's fairly inevitable that Detroit plays Kansas City in
the Super Bowl. I think Detroit's going to have an
easier time getting there than Kansas City is. I think
Baltimore and Buffalo. I do think the Chargers really match
(30:13):
up with Kansas City. I look at Detroit in the NFC,
I guess they're San Francisco, but they play San Francisco
in Week seventeen, so they're going to get a taste
of them. They know what they're like, they have a
sense of what they are, and yeah, I don't see
a lot of weaknesses. I really don't. I had Tampa
beat I don't even remember that game. Tampa beat him earlier.
(30:34):
They were bad in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Remember well that was a game where GoF there were
some injuries to the buck secondary and they decided we're
going to have Golf throw fifty five chasses And it
was like Ben Johnson was trying to outthink himself. Yeah,
that hasn't throw more than twenty five passes in the game.
They've gotten smart. They got back to the basics. We're
going to run the football down your throat. You can't
do a damn thing about it. When you crowd the
line of scrimmage, we're going to beat you at Laporta Amara. Oh,
by the way, Jameson Williams comes back from his suspension
(30:57):
this week like lines are stacked them.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah. I mean he feels like your fourth option.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
I think they're going to the super Bowl, so do I.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I do too. I think they're a younger version of
the Niners and veterant quarterback believe it or not.
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