Hour 3 - The Dynasty

Jeff Benedict author of “The Dynasty” sits down with Colin for a deep dive into the legacy of Tom Brady & Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
He's a New York Times best selling author of sixteen books,
including Tiger, which is a inspiration for the HBO documentary.
This one's called Dynasty, and I just finished ten parts
of the documentary now. It is interesting. So the book
is right here, and I think you need to read

(00:45):
the book. It goes so much deeper than documentary. Documentary
is going to do the Aaron Hernandez story, the Malcolm
Butler stroke. I understand documentary it's expensive to make them.
You're gonna pick the hotspots. But I want to talk
about this because my takeaway on all this is, and
I said this earlier, that all dynasties, almost all are

(01:05):
the same. Hard Work and vision builds them, Resilience and
toughness maintains them, and then power corrupts them. And my
takeaway on this book regardless of whose side it took,
is that Bill could never come to terms with year
two Tom Brady was not Year eighteen. Tom. The league

(01:25):
had pivoted offense, and he was treating him like a
kid because he wanted to maintain governorship. He wanted to
the power. And my takeaway is Bill, the world changed.
That's not the league now, that's my takeaway. Is it
fair to say your book illustrates more that than the documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, it's good to be with you, Colin again. Obviously,
in a book you have a lot more real estate,
you can cover a lot more ground, you can go
into things more in depth. In a documentary you have
to make harder choices, and people sometimes are critical of
those choices. But I thought here the whole filmmaking team
did an amazing job on selecting which storylines to tell

(02:09):
and what to leave out. But definitely in the book,
I laid the groundwork. I think for what is distinct
about this dynasty, I agree with most of what you
said about the course of dynasties. I think what always
has separated the Patriots dynasty from all the other football
dynasties before them was its length. The Packers, the forty

(02:31):
nine Ers, the Steelers, all great dynasties, none of which
really lasted more than a decade.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
And this dynasty is so unusual.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
And the reason I think we won't ever see it
repeated again is because it lasted two decades with the
same nucleus, the nucleus being Brady at quarterback, Billet at
head coach, and Robert Kraft at owner, those three together
for so long. If this dynasty had run the course
of its predecessors, they would have won three Super Bowls,

(03:02):
three out of the first four. They would have had
the perfect season that ended with a heart wrenching loss
to the Giants, and then Brady gets hurt and he
comes back, and they maybe one or two more years
and then it's over. And if they'd done that, it
would be right next to the forty nine Ers and
the Steelers. But they stuck around for ten more years.
And I would say the back half of the dynasty

(03:24):
is more impressive because what happened at the end. The
amount of winning that Bill and Tom did together in
the back half of the dynasty, I think is more
impressive than in the beginning. And what's harder to see,
Colin is the role of the owner in the back
half is so critical, less so than in the first half.

(03:45):
The first half is really about all about Bill and Tom.
The back half, Roberts role is much more pronounced but
yet not visible to the fans.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
To be it had to be, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Because they if left to their own device, they wouldn't
have stayed together that long.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I said, and again I'm not taking sides. I think
Bill's the best defensive coach. Ever, I think this happens
culturally in tech, in media, in entertainment, and sports. You know,
like Greg Popovich, you have to shoot threes. He didn't
want to embrace it right like you have to. The
world's changed. You can't put Matt Patricia offensive coordinator. Just
it's tone deaf. But I did think Bill won a

(04:24):
Super Bowl in which Tom didn't play well rams and
Bill won it a brilliant coaching moment. And Bill lost
a Super Bowl when Tom was absolutely brilliant Philadelphia. What
bothered me deeply is that Bill demanded accountability, and even
in the dock, when pressed, he would not say why

(04:44):
he didn't play Malcolm Butler, you don't owe me that,
but you owe Tom, you owe your roster. You know, Grom.
You owe the team that because you've demanded the accountability
and people are looking for accountability. Why talk about that
story in the book? Visa be the doc which doesn't
go quite as deep and doesn't give you an answer.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
So, when I was working on the book, I mean,
one of the things that I was thinking about and
talking to people about within the team is that I
didn't realize.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
That in this.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I learned this even more working on the dock was
that there really wasn't anybody who knew what was going on.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
No.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Ja McDaniels like, I never got an explanation.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
No, And I think that that's the troubling part is,
and Devin mccordy does a really good job of explaining this,
is that it's not just that Malcolm Butler took ninety
seven percent of the snaps that year. It's when you
take a guy off the field who's that interconnected with
the defensive game plan and he's just disappears. It's not

(05:46):
just that he's missing, but it throws everybody off because
they're used to having him in certain places and he's
not there and there's not one person.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Filling in for him.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
It was like a platoon of guys coming in, nobody
really being able to do the and I think it
was really disheartening for guys to figure out in the
end that no one had been told. It hadn't been explained.
And I think it's hard because that's think about it.
They won the super Bowl before, they won the Super
Bowl after. They definitely should have won that Super Bowl.

(06:20):
I mean, arguably that team was considerably better than the
team that beat the Rams, and yet they lost to
the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
And Tom did.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Have his best super Bowl performance on paper.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
The greatest quarterback performance to that point ever, I believe.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
The only the only reason I don't say that is
because I think what he did in the Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Super Bowl, oh yeah, even though.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
The numbers weren't the same, it was amazing. That's the
greatest quarterback performance ever in a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I thought. You know again, I've always liked Robert Kraft,
and here at Fox I do know the power and
the importance of him. He and Jerry have great importance
in the ownership room. The Hunts family stand Cronkey, There's
a handful of guys and Robert Craft really does a
lot of the TV negotiations stuff. So to give to
relinquish that for owners to say, Robert, you take care

(07:09):
of the TV. He's a bright guy. Yeah, I mean
Robert is really That's why I always say Jerry Jones
can be quirky, but the other owners lean into Jerry
a lot. There was there was a moment here that
had they not won that ram Super Bowl, it almost
sounded like, and I want you to go deeper on this.

(07:30):
Sure Robert was ready to move off Bill. Bill was
wearing out everybody. Players to a player were saying, it's
no fun here. And then Bill has maybe his greatest
moment in a Super Bowl. McVeigh is perplexed they can't
move the chains. A dominant offense all year. Do you
think Kraft regrets I mean, obviously he regrets how it ended.

(07:53):
But when do you think Robert started having this sense
of Bill that he's just terribly difficult even though we're winning.
Was it year six ' five or was it all
mostly the Garoppolo move Bill resented it. When did you
start feeling that bubbling, that percolating of animosity.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
In twenty ten And there's one of my favorite scenes
in the book, which we we couldn't do this in
the doc because there's no footage for it, so there
would be no way to tell this story in film,
but you could do it on paper.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
In twenty ten, when.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Tom Brady asks to come and talk to Robert in private,
and he goes out to Cape Cod over the summer
and goes to his summer home, and it's not just Robert,
it's Robert and Jonathan. Robert asked his son to also
come to the meeting, asked Tom if it was okay,
and of course Tom said yes, And that's when they
go out to meet. And the purpose of that meeting

(08:49):
is Tom's concerned about his future.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Think about this is in twenty ten.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, he's concerned about his future and whether Bill will
move away from him. And part of that is because
he's been there now a decade. He saw what happened
to Drew. He knows how he got his job. He
saw what happened to lawyer Malloy, Adam Viniti. There's a
long list of great players. It's how they did business.

(09:13):
And Bill had a great track record of moving away
from players a little early instead of a little late,
and that although that seems ruthless and hard, it worked
time and time and time again, and Craft as the
owner allowed gave Bill a latitude to make some really

(09:34):
hard calls that I don't know that Robert would have made,
because these are hard calls to make, but it was
Bill's job to make him, and he made him and
he was almost always right. So Tom goes and has
this meeting with the Crafts and this is the first
time that he asks them to intervene in his contract negotiations,
and they do, they get involved, and it's it's the

(09:57):
first time it happens because it's the first indication that
things are changing possibly. And then four years later they
draft Jimmy Garoppolo. And by the time they draft Jimmy,
think of how long it's been. It's been a decade
since they've won a Super Bowl. And by that time,
this to me was the closest thing to when Bill

(10:18):
Walsh goes out and gets Steve Young and brings him
to San Francisco and Joe Montana goes nuts, and suddenly
you see Joe Montana do things near the back of
his career that he hadn't done in the front of
his career, and that's because he had Steve Young right there.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
And I think Jimmy Garoppolo.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm not suggesting this was intentional on Bill's part, but
I think what it did was it this is like
adding gas to an inferno. Tom's an inferno when it
comes to competitiveness everything, He's on fire all the time,
and this was like, let's just dump some gas on that.
And I think this is what Jonathan Kraft talked about.

(11:01):
Most people missed this in the documentary, which I thought
was one of the best things said. In the very
end of the documentary, he talked about how by now
there's a rift between Bill and Tom, they're not communicating
that much. The whole organization knew it barely communicating, barely communicating.
But what Jonathan pointed out was both guys used the

(11:24):
situation as motivation to compete harder, to compete better. It
actually drove both of them in their own way, which
I thought was a really a stute observation from someone
on the inside who was there for the whole thing.
That is how it worked with Bill and Tom. Even
when they didn't have the kind of coach quarterback relationship

(11:44):
that they had in the early days, the relationship was
very functional.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
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Speaker 1 (12:02):
For our radio audience. Jeff Benedict sixteen New York Times
Best Selling Books, TV film producer, Executive producer, HBO documentary Tiger.
It's much deeper in the book. I implore you to
go buy the book, which is still selling. The Tiger
book is still selling. Lebron book sells everywhere, is stan Bull, Canada, here,
everywhere in the world. These books, they're fascinating. It if

(12:24):
you love the deep dive, which documentaries can't hit on
all of it. You know, we all kind of watched
thirty for thirties and they were terrific. Yes, but you
just can't cover everything. The MJ doc you know Pippin
feels like he got slided. Well MJ had the say,
that's right, he did. So that's the way it goes.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
By the way, Tom didn't have the say.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Now, I want to point on it. You know, Tom
Brady deserves a lot of credit for this, not because
he just works at Fox, but and I said this
a couple of weeks ago. If Patrick Mahomes got a
defensive coach, not Andy Reid that asked him to take
financial sacrifices and that never really had out of Randy Moss,
one great receiver, it was a lot of Wells Welker's

(13:03):
overachieving elements. Yes, I don't know if Mahomes would be Mahomes.
I came out of this thinking, you know who was
kindest toward Bill, Tom Slater banged on him. There were
Tom Brady got you know, typical of Tom. Sensitive guy,
got emotional. But I think Tom could have brought out

(13:24):
the hammer on this.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
That was my take, yours.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
So my take on Tom two things. And I don't
know if he's watching this interview, but the first time
I interviewed him for the book was in his suite
at the stadium and it was right at the start
of his second to last season. So this is the
season they're going to beat the Rams in the Super Bowl.

(13:50):
And in that interview, my first time doing it with him.
At the end of the interview, I went in with
twenty questions which I'd worked on for a long long time,
and I went over the under the ground rules with him,
and I told him in the beginning, if there's anything
I'm going to ask you, I'll turn the tape recorders off.
If there's something I ask you don't want it on tape,
I'll turn it off. And if there's something you want
to talk about, just tell me.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
We'll move on to the next one and the last question.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
He answered every question, by the way, and never asked
me to turn their quarter off. The last question I
asked him, which I thought was the easiest of the twenty,
so I thought it would be the least interesting answer
was the best answer, and it was about a car
accident he'd been in shortly after he started entered into
a relationship with Giselle, and he could have been seriously

(14:37):
injured in that accident happened in Boston. It was a
miracle that he walked away from it, and that led
to a really emotional answer that went way farther than
I anticipated. And he cried when he was answering the question,
and so did I because it was just so apparent

(14:58):
that he was. It was so raw, but so honest,
and you rarely see people.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
What was the question?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I asked a simple question about what happened that day
because I knew he'd been in a car accident. But
as he started talking about it and reflecting about sort
of the how fragile life is, and he started talking
about relationships that matter to him, you could see underneath
the athlete celebrity to the heart of who this human is,

(15:28):
and it was just very powerful. And similar thing happened
when he came in for the interview for the documentaryh
We only interviewed him once for the film, and he
was very emotional in that as well. And when he
cried during the documentary filming, I was I did too, again,
And what I would say about Tom if you step back,

(15:49):
is I've never seen anyone who's occupied the high road
for as long as Tom Brady. And I'm not talking
about the high road of performance as an athlete. That's
a different road. And he's alone on that road too.
That's a road that people like Tiger and Michael and
Lebron occupy in their sports. Tom's alone on that road

(16:11):
in the NFL. But I'm not talking about that. I'm
talking about him character wise. I've never seen and I
don't think anyone watching or listening to your show can
point to an instance where Tom didn't take the high
road when he had so many opportunities to criticize someone else,
he's never done it. And some people accuse him of

(16:31):
being disingenuous when he says always says nice things about
Bill or this person or that person.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
That's not disingenuous. That's not and it's not dishonest.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
That's someone who's made a decision that that's how they're
going to live their life and that if I just
think if more people actually went through life that way,
life would be a lot nicer. But it's really hard
to do that when you've been through some of the
things Tom's been through, Like when he went through to Flakegate,
people that he thought were his friends in the NFL

(17:03):
saw the opportunity to take a shot and they took it.
And these were people who knew better and used it
as an opportunity to undermine all that achievement.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
There's a lot of jealousy and envy in professional.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Sports, oh yeah, and a lot someone like Tom is
just sort of set up to be hit by people.
And that's what I admire more than all the football stuff,
which I'm an admirer of that, but way more impressive
to me is that he's been on the high road
for so long and when he's up there, you don't

(17:38):
see many people. Like you're on the road and it's
like there's no people passing you.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think about how Randy Moss ended. I don't think there's
a teammate that's ever taken a shot at Tom that
I remember.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, I can think of one, Antonio Brown, but that's
just embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
But I mean, he's not really a teammate, not really.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
But you're right about his teammates over twenty years tremendous
respect because of how Tom is. And by the way,
what's interesting also is Tom's not easy to play with.
You know, he's not easy to be He's a great teammate,
I'm not saying that, but he's a perfectionist. And that's
why when guys are honest, like Gronkowski talking about his

(18:23):
first rookie season, how hard it was to like Tom
in the beginning, but then come around, and I think
that's one of the things that he and Bill had
in common was that they were really hard to play
for because the standard was so high.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think another takeaway, I again from thirty thousand feet,
another takeaway when reading your book first, which I always
you know, sometimes with the movie business, reading the book
first helps, but then another sometimes you feel the movie's
pithy compared to the book, and here this is your
book is so substantial. But I did think the documentary

(18:57):
landed well.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I thought they did a really good job. One of
the criticisms was the Aaron Hernandez situation, when I thought
Ernie Adams, who was a lovable figure in this doc
everybody knew Aaron was a first round player. You could
look at his high school and college highlights. He was
Patrick Chung once told me, I said, who's the hardest
guy to cover in the league. He goes Aaron Hernandez

(19:19):
and I cover grunkit practice. You can't guard him. He's
faster than me and he's a tight end. And I
thought in this and I want to go back to
the book, that everybody knew he came with baggage. That's why,
by the way, somebody would have drafted him. He was
just too gifted. And there were moments where Wes Welker says, listen,
if you were around Aaron and you heard him talk,

(19:40):
there's trash talk. Then there's weird, uncomfortable, stuffy. Do you
point fingers on that go into the book on Aaron
because I as a sportscaster, I just come to terms
with a lot of these kids come from different difficult situations.
You're not getting a locker room of fifty five perfect people.
I don't know what guys are doing when they're going home.
It's not my job. They have families. Did you think
the Patriots knew more than they let on or it really? Did?

(20:02):
It road very very quickly.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think the guy that probably knew the most was
urban Meyer and urban Meyer coach mit Florida. He knew
that there was more going on than pot smoking, which
who cares, right.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
I mean, come on it, there was more than that
in Florida.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
There were some violent incidents down there, and I'm not
things with guns, but I mean there yeah, stuff like that.
I think the Patriots I did not point fingers in
the book at anyone in the Patriots organization.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
I think they were all fooled.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
And I think when you think about how sophisticated we're
talking about, Bill Belichick, Ernie Adams, Jonathan Kraft, Robert Kraft, sophisticated, smart, seasoned, people.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
They were all fooled.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I mean, when Robert Kraft talks about being schnookered and
how he acknowledges, he acknowledges.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
It, I get.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
I actually give him credit. A lot of people wouldn't
acknowledge that they were snookered. They were snookered, and I
think that it was so astounding to them when when
the murder chargers first came out, well not the charges,
but when there was a murder and wasn't clear who
did it yet, the idea that he could have done
it was hard to fathom. And then when he was

(21:18):
brought out of his house in handcuffs, it was still
hard to fathom because it is unprecedented.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Unprecedented, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
And so I didn't feel it was appropriate to criticize
Bill for not knowing.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
How would he know?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Jeff think about couples that are married for twenty years,
they lived together, yea to sleep together, and they have
affairs for decades and nobody knows the idea that coaches
know NBA. It's a small roster. You got seventy guys
in the room. It's transitional new coaches. I always say,
with team you can know he's a problem. By the way,

(21:55):
I could name a player for the Cowboys years ago
that was drafted, a wide receiver, and they knew get
security detail around him. He's a little immature, not a
bad guy, but everybody knew Aaron came with stuff. You
don't think it's going to go from stuff to murder.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
No, And none of the guys in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
The guys in the locker room, there were a few,
Dion Branch, Wes Welker, some of the guys that knew
a little more. They didn't know that much because.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, Wes was not a fan.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah Wes wasn't a fan, but Dion knew him really well.
And I thought that admission in the film where he says,
how did I not see that? That's the whole point, Dion.
None of these guys actually hung around with Aaron outside
of football.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
They weren't part of that guy.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
He had his own guys, and none of the players
actually were part of that group, and so they really
didn't know. That's not a cover up, that's not an excuse.
It's just it's a really unusual situation. And the reason
I spent as much time on it as I did
in the book was because the Patriots over a twenty
year span, had things happen that no other team had happened, Like,

(23:01):
there is no other team that went sixteen and oh
demolished the league by the way the same year they
were accused of spying on the Jets. That year they
go sixteen and oh and lose the way they lost
on a guy pinning a ball against his helmet. There's
no other team that's had that happen to them. So
I think as a writer you have to lean into

(23:23):
those things, not because you're trying to sully the Patriots.
I actually think those those down moments are what really
illustrate the magnitude of what they achieved because they had
to overcome things that would have crushed the soul of
most organizations.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah. Well, as the best time to read a book
like this, which you got to give it four or
five days if you're flying cross country, spring, summer vacation.
It's one of those things where I don't have in
the football season. I'm so busy. I don't have time
every book. No, but it's like a streaming service in
a book. You got to give this four or five
days of your life. If you got some time. It's

(23:59):
just fasten. It makes everybody smarter. Jeff Benedict sixteen books
have been New York Times best selling books. He's a
film producer television. The books have been The Dynasty. Tiger
Lebron is the one that jumps out to me. He
got a Steve Young book in there. I could do
this for two hours. I could literally sit here for
two hours, but we do have some responsibilities bills being paid. Jeff.

(24:22):
The book is the Dynasty. Let's show it one more
time on the wall. Fascinating stuff, really really interesting book
and the documentary. I don't push people to other platforms,
but Apple TV. I thought that a tremendous job. It
to me rivals. All the interesting docs, by the way,
in sports all end with turbulence. Nobody's making one on

(24:43):
Tim Duncan in this verse. I mean, seriously, all the
good documentaries have turbulence. Everybody in Hollywood seeking conflict. This
had conflict. Shack and Kobe's got conflict.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
That's why we chose Gimme Shelter and the Rolling Stones
to end the show.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
That's great, by the way, perfect perfect way to end
that documentary.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Great senior, Jeff, Great, senior Colin. Thank you.

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Let's go back to the Steelers. Colin the Pittsburgh Post
Gazette is reporting, and this is shocking to me. I
don't know the Steelers plan to sign Russ to a
long term deal at the end of the two thousands.

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Listen the ink stained wretches at the Pittsburgh Past Gazette.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
We have no idea what's gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Like, come on, they don't plan.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
This is simply pr for Russ to make him happy
after this whole justin Fields thing. I'm telling you there
is a lot of egos to be massaged in that
locker room.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
So you don't believe the story. No way with these side.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
I mean, this is gonna be his fourth street season
with a new offense. Okay, Seattle, Denver, Denver, and now Pittsburgh.
What nobody's gonna succeed in that?

Speaker 4 (26:51):
I don't believe at all. Now look at this.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
Our staff has Steelers notable offseason moves. They're gonna throw
it on the screen, I hope. Okay, new offensive coordinator
number one was gone. Center Mason Cole's gone. They lose
Patrick Peterson, which isn't the biggest deal in the world.
And Kean O'Neill, there is way too much newness for
this team to do anything.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think that's fair. That's fair. I do like Arthur
Smith as a coordinator because he worked with Ryan Tannehill
and made him a number one seed.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Four years ago.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Okay, well, how about Van Jefferson. We've been talking about
him for years. That's your number two receiver. I don't
even know if he's a four.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't know. I'm sorry, Pittsburg, I'm outlet being too harsh.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
All right, Next up, how about this team arguably worse
than the league, the New York Giants, the two.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Backup quarterback Drew lock Come on down.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
He has twenty three career starts under his belt, and listen,
Daniel Jones is not a good quarterback. So maybe people
think that Drew Locke has a shot, but he's not
saying that, which is awkward.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Daniel Jones is the starter of this team, and that
that's that's been conveyed to me. Now, I need to
come in and push Daniel to be the best can be.
And that's the role that I've played for Gino. That's
the role that I played for Teddy. That's the role
that Brett Rippen played for me when I was the
starter in Denver. I've had both sides of this. You know,
I've been the guy to push a starter, and I've

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been the starter that's being pushed by the backups. It's
all about making that room as best it can be.
And if we do that, you know, sky's the limit
for this team.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I like that. That's the right thing to say that,
that's exactly it sounds. It just sounds weird.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Well, well, you wish him to be a better quarterback, Yeah,
Dane Jones is not that good.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, you can't go in there battling and arguing with it.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
I agree with that, But the framing Colin, he could
easily say, hey, I'm going to be the improve of
the quarterback, but the best I can be.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Well know, and Steady was honest and said, I've been
It's been conveyed to me that Daniel's the starter. Why
blow up the room.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
You have to blow it up.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
You don't have to take tea.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
At the room.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, but if you walk in and battling for the job,
now you're blowing that You're you're creating a headline for
the New York Post in the Daily News. Anyway, you
get to these New York's and Philadelphia is in Boston's,
you have to be when you go to the podium,
you have to be aware you got dynamite in your hands.
These guys are those are aggressive media markets. Yeah, I

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guess you.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Okay, fine, say the right thing politely to the again,
and then behind the scenes be like Tante Jones is trash.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm coming for that job.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
To go tell the receivers I will be starting all.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That's the last thing you do. You undermine the starter
by snarky sneakiness.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm a Jets fan.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I have to take some digs at Jay. I thought
that Drew Locke is not my favorite guy. I thought
he was a total pro. That's exactly again. He's been
around the league, he's been the one, he's been the two.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
And he's wearing his hat forwards, which is.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
And he looked totally professional in front of the You
gotta be careful in these New York, Boston, Philly, Chicago.
These markets are aggressive traditional. Uh it's you got multiple papers,
multiple sports talk radio stations. People are vye for the
mic and the headline, and you gotta be careful on
what you say.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Why do you think it's fun when I take jabs
at that former quarterback who's in New York and then
that other guy who has social show.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I love, I love taking there.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, but there's a difference is that Aaron Rodgers creates
a lot of his mayhem. Well, I was actually talking
about Boomerasiacin. But oh, good boy, he's been a fine broadcast.
Oh yeah, he's outstanding. He's very good. All right. J
Mack with the news.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Jeff Benedict, wonderful stuff today. By the book, it's really
you know, these these I don't have a time to
dive in to one of these four to five day
books during the football season. So out of the football season,
I read as much as I can, I watch as
many I watch docs constantly. That you just can't do
it during the football season. So if you've got four
or five days, you're headed to the beach, you got

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you know, spring break with the kids, whatever you're doing.
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