Richard Sherman Podcast - Week 4: 49ers BOUNCE BACK, Chiefs edge Chargers, Vikings 4-0 - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 2 (01:45):
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All right, man, next you go. Welcome back to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. Another unpredictable and wild week in the

(02:07):
National Football League. Mitchell, what did you think, Richard?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
My Lions weren't playing today, but your San Francisco forty
nine ers were, and I didn't expect much of this game.
San Francisco took it to him early. Let's start with
San Francisco because their defense looked like San Francisco defense, Richard,
I'm more curious about your thoughts here, because the name
of the game today was defense for the San Francisco

(02:35):
forty nine ers. Your thoughts, my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, they played phenomenal. The pass rush was back and
you were getting it from everywhere. Moliite Collins was putting pressure.
He played a phenomenal game. He has been an impact
player throughout the beginning of the season. He's been a
great addition. Kevin Gibvens had his best game as a pro.
Two and a half sacks, Nicholas john Bosa all day.

(02:59):
He was chopped at the bitch all day. He was
just a inches away, inches away, inches away from getting
a sack force fumble on Jacoby Brissett. And finally, you know,
the end of the game, he gets home, gets a sack,
forced fumble, recovers the fumble and you could see him
looking up Mitchell. You could see Nicholas John Bolsas saying,
thank God, finally all this hard work is paying off

(03:23):
because he was working and it wasn't from lack of effort.
He was working. Fred Rico all Pro. Fred Warner another interception,
a game breaking play scored. The offense got two trips
into the red zone, stalled out both times settled for
field goals. But what if Frederco do He says, you
guys any points, throw it to me, Jacoby real quick,

(03:46):
throw it to me, got it, gets up, runs it in,
dives in picks six. Has to be the front runner
for defensive Player of the Year. There are people saying
it should be TJ. Watt, and I was one of
those people. TJ. Watt has kind of slowed down as
the season is progressed. He only has three sacks on
the season. He probably has four or five that have

(04:07):
been negated by penalties, you know, whether it's pass interference
or holding or something else on somebody else on his team.
But still having a phenomenal season. But Fred right now,
it's hard to beat. He has one sack, three forced fumbles,
two interceptions, and a pick six, along with a number
of tackles and just being an overall menace every single

(04:30):
week that a team has to game plan for. I
think he gets the nod. Another really good game for
Juwan Jennings, who was surprisingly the highest targeted guy on
the football field after his huge performance last week versus
the Rams and that loss. Had six targets today, three
catches for eighty eight yards. Deebo Samuel, That big post

(04:53):
got him on the board. Three catches fifty eight yards.
Jordan Mason Man another really productive day. He can't say
enough about him. He deserves to be a starting and
running back in the league somewhere. It's just not gonna
be here. When Christian McCaffrey comes back, they're kind of
receiving good news. Gonna test it out next week and
see what he can do. What I got to say

(05:14):
about that, Mitchell, that's all everybody. Patience is a virtue.
All Niner fans nine or faithful patience is a virtue.
Don't sit here and get all tight trying to figure
out when Christian's coming back. Be patient. He I guarantee
you he's not trying to milk this. He's not trying

(05:34):
to oh man, I'm just here from the money. He's
the whole one of the hardest working players in the
National Football League. If he can play, he will be
out on that football field. If he's not on that
football field, it's because he can't play right now. And
the Achilles' injury is one of those that is so
touch and go every week. Coming from experience, I'm speaking
from experience both rupturing my achilles and having the Achilles

(05:58):
tendonitis on the other ankle, with with with haggling, deformity
and all this other stuff, and having to go to
specialists and get PRPs injected, cortison shots injected into my
heel because you can't put it in attended. You can't.
It'll rupture your tendon. That's one thing you should know.
Everybody's like, man, why can't you just put a shot.

(06:18):
You cannot put a cortizone shot into the Achilles tendon.
It'll rupture. It'll weaken it and rupture. So there's not
a lot of blood circulation there. So that's why you
get PRP injections to help the healing process start and
get some white blood cells in there, et cetera, et cetera.
Sometimes you go stem cell route. I'm not sure. I
wasn't with Christian when he went to get these procedures.

(06:39):
Those are just things I did. Got dry needling, you
try everything. When I've ruptured my achilles, I was to
the point, Mitchell, so it was in so much pain,
and they kept saying, oh, it won't rupture, it won't rupture.
I was putting light of Kane patches and taping them around,
taping around them so they would stay in the spot.
And that's how it was playing through the season that

(07:00):
year before it ruptured, because it was like, man, it's
so much pain, but I'm just trying to get through
these games and help our team win.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
And so well, Richard, I want to stop right there,
because this is a story I think that needs to
be told.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I mean, you and I go way back. I mean
we go way way way back, and to.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Deal with and to experience it on my side of
the fence and know the pain you were going through
and knowing that essentially what you were told, I mean,
correct me if I'm wrong, was hey, you can sit out,
but you're gonna have to sit out the bulk of
the season, or you can play this thing out and
eventually it's gonna rupture. And Richard, when you went down

(07:42):
in Arizona in that Thursday night football game, I knew,
I mean you were a warrior and walked off the field,
but I knew darn well what happened, and I know
you knew. I mean, it just goes to show you
the guttiness that you played with as a professional. And
Richard you can speak from experience to these calf strains

(08:04):
and and achilles tendon. Night is any issue, this is
a severe issue. So to rush Christian McCaffrey back right now,
I just, I mean, you're the better man to speak
about its sense right now.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's not worth it. And and they're playing it as
as correctly as they can from the forty nine ers perspective,
They're they're taking their time, allowing him to go get
the treatments that he can get. Because even if no
matter how tough you want to be, you got to
be tougher than your brain, and and you got to
send signals to your brain that you're okay when your

(08:38):
brain's telling you, hey, there's a there's there's a flat tire.
There's a flat tire. Hey, no matter what I do,
my brain's telling me there's a flat tire. So even
if I want to keep driving my car, hey your
tired flat, you're just gonna keep hearing that. And Christian
McCaffrey is a high functioning athlete. You can't play at

(08:58):
the speed, you can't play to the standard you want
to play until that flat tires fixed. And so he'll
do everything he can get back right. Hopefully he's back
by November. I think that's the timeline they're putting on him.
Every single one is different. So if you're hearing from
an expert, oh he's he can be back here are
he won't be back till here? They don't know. They

(09:18):
really don't know, because nobody knows but Christian McCaffrey and
his body. Because he may wake up tomorrow and feel
really really good and be able to do some sprints,
and then he may wake up the next day he'll
really really good and be able to sprint again. And
then the third day he may wake up and can
barely walk. And that's just how crazy this, this injury

(09:40):
and the flare ups are and so you have to
you have to manage it. However you can manage it.
And so you're gonna hear, you know, good things some days,
and then you're gonna hear things. Maybe there's a setback.
Don't be discouraged. When he can play, he will play.
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Speaker 1 (11:55):
Before we leave this game, let's talk a little bit
about the offense. They got George kittleback, huge catch in
the corner of the end zone. He just out jumped
three three defenders for that ball. He wanted it more.
It's got to feel good for brock Purdy to have
him back.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Richard.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
This game, I saw what brock Purdy. You know, statistically,
not not the best game fifteen for twenty seven to
eighty eight, a touchdown, an interception, But goodness, he extends plays.
I mean he's so slippery in that pocket and evades
you know, defenders. I mean there was a Jabrill Peppers
had a surefire sack on him all day. He slipped

(12:32):
out of that. Richard brock Purty impressed me today. Despite
his numbers not being the best. But it's got to
feel good for him having George kittleback, having Deebo Samuel back,
and like you said, third and Juwan Juwan Jennings really
took advantage of this offseason and these injuries early in
the season, and he looks like another go to guy.

(12:52):
When they get Ricky Purcell back and Juwan Jennings going,
I mean, and they get healthy, the forty nine ers
are going to be the forty nine ers again. The
faith you guys can rest the shirt coming from a
Detroit Lion fan, this team is here still. But Richard,
I gotta crest you on one thing before we leave
this game. You said the defensive player of the year
can front runner right now is Frederico Frederica. Did you

(13:16):
forget about my boy Aiden Hutchinson leading the league in sacks? Richard,
He's gonna show tomorrow night against your Seattle Seahawks who
the real defensive player of the year is. We'll see,
but that's what I'm calling it right now.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't know how it'll look because we got a
couple of games to play, but it looks like brock
Party may be leading the league in yardage right now
and just some of the passes, because they're like, then,
you know, every time there's something new that they say
about him. Every week, it's something new, you know, it's like, well,
he played great, but they lost, or he just threw
it to Dee Bo and are you and then they

(13:50):
had so much yack. But then he's he's second in
the league in yards and has the least amount of
yack in the league, And they're like, well, it's because
Kyle Shanahan. It's like, well, I'm gonna let you know something.
When you gotta work this hard one way or the other.
If you gotta work this hard to prove a point
about a player, like with brock Perty, I could just say, hey,
he's number one in just about every measurable stat. I

(14:12):
don't really have to work that hard. I could just
go to stats, close my eyes picked one. He's probably
near the top. When when you talk about that and
there's other quarterbacks, you got to sit there and say,
he's a generational talent. And it's because of the offense,
it's because the coach, it's because he doesn't have this,
it's because somebody was injured, it's because over here, well,
he was born over here. He was born on the

(14:32):
twenty third of January. You're not the twenty fourth. If
he was born on the twenty fourth, he would have
I get it, I get it. Brock Perty's elite, and
he continues to play that way, and he continues to
do it with other guys. So when Ricky Purcell comes back,
it's just so many, so many mouths to feed on
this offense, So you forget about guys like George Kittle.
He makes an incredible play over three guys like for that.

(14:55):
He's an All Pro player that that's not really that
surprising win is him because you know what quality of
player he is, But he gets kind of lost in
this offense. So sometimes because you got Christian doing the
work he has, and because Debo is making these plays,
O Ba's making these plays. Our Juwan has the game
he had last week. Are you waiting for Ricky Pursl,

(15:18):
the first round pick to suit up. There's so much
talent and weapons on this offense. This offensive line has
been much maligned. Outside of Trent Williams, Poony Poony has
done phenomenal, has been phenomenal at the right guard position
coming into the season, Colton mckivitz less less than desirable

(15:40):
at times, played a solid game this week and deserves
some credit for that. And when they don't play solid
and when they don't hold up well, brock Purty does
a great job avoiding those sacks. Hey, when they get
beat early, brock Purty, Hey, dance around, boom boom, maneuvers,
gets in the pocket. He does not get a little
enough credit for that. I'm sure he gets credit from
them and gets in that offensive line room and from

(16:02):
Forrester to offensive line coach where he's like, hey, brock,
appreciate you. You're taking a lot of a lot of
these plays, all negative plays off my offensive line. Trent
Williams deserves credit for playing through injury. I know sometimes
fans get emotionally hijacked when players are demanding more money
or sitting out or things like that. Try not to

(16:24):
try your best not to. It's not just like when
the team makes decisions. It's business. It's business. You gotta
you gotta get the most while you can get it.
He's at the top this position, at a really late
stage in his career, trying to get as much as
he can. Is He's I guarantee you this. There were
times Trent Williams could have set out and not played.

(16:45):
And this was in the COVID year when we were
in Arizona, and I'll never forget this. Trim was Trent
was beat up, he was hurt and and he could
barely walk. He could barely you know, he's in the
training room every day and he probably could have set
the season out and been fine. Like we weren't really
playing for anything, you know, there's no real reason for
you to go out there. But he's the kind of

(17:06):
pro that says, hey, I don't care about the money,
I don't care about that. I'm out there for my teammates.
If I can go, if I'm healthy enough to step
on the field, I'm gonna go. So if he's healthy
enough to go, I promise you he deserves the money
he's getting. Please take take your negative energy towards him
away and throw it away somewhere because one of the
best players in football, and he was opening up colossal

(17:27):
gaps this week for Jordan Mason to run through, and
he's going to continue to protect brock Perty's blind side.
You gotta work through the kinks in the season. He's
for him to come off the streets and start an
NFL game at left tackle and play a relatively solid game.
You know. Obviously the standard for him is so high

(17:48):
that it's impossible to live up to sometimes, but he
is a generational out of this world and same player.
There's not very many players that can come off their
couch and no matter how hard you're working out and
playing an NFL game that week, that counts and say, hey,
he looks pretty good. Like You'll take that every time
and they'll continue to get better. And I think I

(18:11):
heard they're working Spencer Buford at right tackle, you know,
so they can just have more depth and just trust
the process. You gotta trust the process with these guys.
Trust your quarterback. Buck Perty's making good decisions, getting the
balled out, knowing where the pressure is coming from. I
think this team's gonna be fine, and you got to
celebrate the victories while they're there, Richard.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
We got to take it to Houston. The Texans played
one of your favorite teams in the NFL, one of
your favorite quarterbacks in the NFL, and Trevor Lawrence, and
he proved again that he is worthy of this colossal
contract he's signed this offseason, Richard. The Jacksonville Jaguars are

(18:51):
off to a remarkable start this year. At Z and four,
Richard Houston wins late. The Texans are three to one. Now,
you talk to me about the Texans because they needed
this one bad and it came down to the wire,
a division fall in the Jags.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Talk to me, my friend. Well, the Jacksonville Jaguars battle.
It was one of their better games this season, both
offensively and defensively. Defensively, they were finding a way to
get stops. They led for a good portion of this game. Um,
gotta check my notes, Metell, because you know, some of

(19:29):
these fans are so hard on us because they don't
understand how tough it is to watch freaking six games
at the same time and try to take notes and
try to watch this one, and try to watch this
one and think you may not miss something. You're like,
you're not watching this game because you didn't see everything
that happened to my team. Easy. Easy, you're on Third Street,
we're watching. It's just tough to keep up with every

(19:50):
dang play. We're talking about the Jacksonville game. Yes, Trevor
Lawrence played really good. Tank Bigsby played a really good
game running the football had more yards than Travis Etn
and and they're rushing attack. That's always the best friend

(20:11):
of a quarterback, a good running attack. And Trevor Or
Edie Travis Etn played really solid game, but Brian Thomas
getting involved getting that red zone touchdown off the muff hunt.
But Trevor Lawrence again played a game manager style gay
And again gets credit for being a generational talent, but

(20:36):
only really needs to manage the game. And I think
once we get to the point in the NFL where
the where the owners and gms understand you only need
a game manager, and most of these quarterbacks are only that.
I talked to a GM that said, hey, we're taking
guys in the top five right now that wouldn't have
been gotten a second round grade just because the quality

(20:58):
of player has dropped so so tremendously. And I think
that's something we got to recognize that we want everybody,
every draft class to have a generational guy, a Peyton
Mann and a Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes. That's not necessarily true,
like accept the guys for what they do when they're playing. Stop.

(21:21):
We got to stop labeling the pre snap and allow
them to play and then label because once they play,
you see what they're gonna be. Now, some guys you're like, hey,
I could see the potential there. Maybe if we get
him in a different system, maybe they need time to develop.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I E.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Geno Smith, I E. Sam Darnold right now in Minnesota,
Maybe maybe he needs to be put in a better situation.
II justin fields right now, finally taking the steps that
are necessary. They lost today in Indianapolis, but I think
that was more of a show of that defense kind
of taking a step back and having a rough game
than the offense. That defense has been all world the

(21:57):
first three wins, and the offense hasn't been given him.
And then CJ decides in the second half of this
game to play a phenomenal game. But back to where
we started. Trevor Lawrence has lost nine straight and not
that all wins and losses. They give quarterbacks credit for him,
So it's not a quarterback stat, but it's quarterback stat

(22:17):
because if he wins the games, they say Trevor Lawrence
has won none straight, you lose the games, they're gonna
say you lost nine straight. And he's not playing bad football.
He didn't play a bad game. He didn't turn the
ball over. He gave his team a chance. He had
two touchdown passes, even though one of them was just
a little short pass to Brian Brian Thomas. I see,

(22:40):
I knew when they called it. They called him Brian
Robinson multiple times in the broadcast. Now you got it
in they got it in my head, that is Brian Robbins.
But they didn't do enough. And this is the division game.
You're on four to start the season. You start to consider, like,
what's going so wrong? Because there are very few on
four teams that make the playoffs. Your defense isn't necessarily

(23:04):
playing well enough, even though at times they stood up.
They gave up a late drive, obviously the game winning
drive to Houston at the end, the touchdown to a
Goomba Wale. I knew I would butcher for that too,
But C J. Stroud threw for three hundred and forty
five yards two touchdowns. Nico Collins continues to lead the

(23:24):
league in receiving yards, a career high one hundred and
fifty one I mean one hundred twelve receptions for one
hundred and fifty one yards and a touchdown. Stefan Diggs
had a really cool play where they rent or reverse
looks like it was supposed to be a pass, but
he didn't see the look that he wanted to see.
Cut it up the middle, easy touchdown, or he saw
the look that he wanted to see, and the look
that he wanted to see was me, Hey, this one,

(23:46):
this one's mine. Y'all not throwing me enough, so y'all
put it in my hands. I'm gonna get it in
an end zone. And this team is gonna be a
tough team to beat. You know, they stumbled a little
bit last week, but this is a team we expected
to see. They fought adversity. But Jacksonville is gonna have
to look at the man in the mirror figure out
what the problem is because it's so disappointing to have

(24:08):
a solid game like this and then come up short.
They just didn't make enough plays. And again, when you're
making fifty five million dollars, the microscope is on you,
and it's it's fair or unfair for you to elevate
your team to victory. And they're expecting that from not
only you, but the other quarterbacks. They expect that from

(24:28):
Joe Burrow, they expect that from Josh Allen. They expect
it from Patrick Mahomes, They expected from Dak Prescott. So
this isn't just a Trevor Lawrence thing. The criticism is
the same. You start to make that top five, top
three quarterback money, you have to give that top five,
top three quarterback play or else we need to stop
paying these quarterbacks like this that we know aren't elevating

(24:50):
their teams just because we're afraid of what the alternative is.
Because if the alternative is you take a couple of
years with Jacobe Prissett, Our Gardner Minshew or Derek Carr
or whoever the case may be, where you feel like
they're not necessarily a generation but a bridge quarterback, then
you do it because sometimes those quarterbacks give you a

(25:12):
better chance. That's why you got guys like they're thinking
about benching Daniel Jones or did they do it officially
because you say, hey, there's other quarterbacks that can get
us solid play, they can hit the plays. Because there
are a couple of plays in that game where the
Giants missed wide open guys, game changing plays. There are
two or three passes where it was like, hey, this

(25:32):
is a free play, just put the ball on him
and let's let's get down the field and we got
a huge play. Malik Neighbors makes it pretty easy for
you to just put it on him. He's open and
you're missing him. You just need competent NFL play, and
we're not getting that. He's not playing at a high
enough level that his team needs. And that's the problem
right now in Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Richard, do you want to talk about a guy that
got paid in the offseason and elevated his game unlike
Trevor Lawrence, Nico Collins. As you mentioned this guy. Talk
about a rare combination the Ohio State Buckeye CJ Stroud
throwing to the U of M Wolverine Nico Collins forming
arguably one of the best quarterback wide receiver duos in

(26:16):
the league right now. Richard, shout out to Nico Collins.
You gotta love to see it with a guy like this. Frankly,
at U of M. They ran the ball, I mean
everyone knows they run the ball, and then see him
excel so much in the NFL. The Texans got to
steal in Nico Collins, Richard. Let's take it to La.
The Chargers gave the Kansas City Chiefs a problem early

(26:39):
and frankly, it looked like they were gonna win this
game and they just couldn't get things going in the
second half, and Mahomes just did his Mahomes thing. But
before we get into the game, there was a huge
injury that occurred early in this game. Mahomes hitting after
throwing the pick, hitting the friendly fire on his own
best wide receiver one Rashi I card it off the

(27:01):
field and Andy Reid says, it does not look good,
Richard if he's out for a large amount of time.
I mean, we've seen my Homes do it in the past.
He's elevated, he elevates the guys around him. But how
much can they withstand without Rashi Rice.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
They can withstand it, I have no doubt about it.
It's just so unfortunate. You hate to see that play,
especially unnecessarily, and I think, and obviously it's nobody's fault.
Patrick throws the interception a bit overthrown for Travis Kelce.
They find a way to strip it and get the

(27:40):
ball on the ground. Everybody's just hustling. Football is a
hard sport. Things just accidents happen. You just hate to
see it, Like you know in a play like that,
you know, I'm sure Patrick gets sick about it because
he obviously never meant to do that. We wish nothing
about the best for Rashi Rice and his Hell, hopefully
you know, he's able to bounce back and he's not
out too long. Obviously, Andy Reid said, it's not looking great.

(28:06):
But even then, sometimes you don't know, you know, there's
a lot of tests they have to do. Sometimes miraculous
things happen, they miss things, uh, And guys aren't hurt
as bad as initially you initially think. Sometimes and sometimes
it's a little bit worse. So we'll we'll see when
they when they decided. But this is the kind of
game that the Chiefs are are mastering right now. We

(28:28):
just talked to to Trim mcduffy about the culture of
this team and when when when the game is close
and the chips are down and everything's going going wrong
and guys are are are getting tight on the other
side and you're like, man, are we gonna lose or
guys making mistakes, You're like, they're pretty calm, they're having fun.

(28:48):
Chris Jones is cracking jokes, and of course Chris Jones
is making making huge plays down the stretch to win
his team the ball game, as he always has. I
I never want to hear any Chris Jones slander from anybody, really,
because for this team he's been elite, and I don't
think it no matter how much he's getting paid, it's

(29:10):
underpaid for what he's doing for this team, not only
in the regular season, but in the playoffs and in
the Super Bowl. When a guy's helping you get rings.
And I guarantee you teams that are paying their guys
thirty five forty million dollars or nobody's paying forty million dollars,
but thirty five thirty three million, and they aren't getting

(29:32):
rings or sitting there like man I take. I pay
him whatever he wants to get us a ring. But
they're gonna be able to work weather it because Andy
Reid is a great coordinator, a great play caller. Patriorck
Mahomes after Tyreek Hill left has shown that it does
not matter. He is the engine. And you may have

(29:53):
different wheels, you may have different you may have a
different radiator, a different air conditioning unit, different steering wheel,
different seats, leather upholstery, But as long as the engine's
the same mental the car will win the race. You know,
this is this will this, this team will get over
the finish line. They're finding ways to win ugly, grimy, grimy,

(30:17):
grind it out games, and that's a good sign for
a championship team. I know some people are like, oh man,
they're almost they could be easily ohing four or one
in three if I was a fifth Mitchell, you know,
and you can't think about that. We all be drunk.
And Travis Kelcey had had a nice game, seven for
eighty nine yards, starting to warm up. Kareem Hunt back

(30:40):
in the fold. Fourteen carries for sixty nine yards. These
are all good signs, and it always comes back to like, hey,
they can just plug and play guys, they get guys. Hey,
we'll bring him back. We'll bring him back. Hey, what
about what about Micole Hartman? Just let's bring him back
in the playoffs and he's gonna make an impact for Hey,
didn't we have guy that played? Where's Juju? Did Juju

(31:02):
playing somewhere? Hey? Didn't he play good for us? Let's
bring him back. Hey, Kareem Hunt, Hey, we're beat up
at running back. Hey, Kareem you are you still you're
still in shape. You know, we love you over here,
come over here and again. As long as the engines there,
it seems like they're infallible Mitchell, and he's gonna continue
to do it. And Justin Herbert played a solid game.

(31:22):
You got to give him credit for being the the
iron man that he was trying to be, playing through
U sprained ankle, toughing it out, but his mobility wasn't there.
It led to a couple of sacks. You could tell
he wasn't moving like he wanted to. JK. Dobbins wasn't
able to have the kind of rushing game he was
having previously defensively, but dupre had two two sacks and

(31:45):
two TFLs and a quarterback hit. But that it just
wasn't enough. And you knew that Hardball and Greg Roman
would force Kansas City to have these kind of games
where it's just gonna be a grime and we're gonna
run the ball the clock. We're gonna run the clock.
It's gonna be a low scoring, grind it out, last
drive game. That's that's uh, everything that Jim Harball has

(32:08):
been for a long time, especially his first season with
a team. They're gonna have a chance at the end
for the most part, and unfortunately you're playing against Patrick Mahoons.
He's gonna find a way to get it done. Does
Patrick Mahons have an interception issue right now? No? I
mean is he throwing them? Yes, he is throwing them,
But when you really think about it, it becomes an

(32:31):
issue when it's losing. If you're losing, he could throw
for a bunch of touchdowns and they're winning. I mean
they're losing games, and you'd be like, oh man, he's
not doing enough. So I don't think it's an issue
because he's a he's a risk taking quarterback. He makes
throws and makes decisions other quarterbacks couldn't even fathom to make,

(32:52):
and so you're gonna have mistakes here and there. That
was an overthrow that he threw. Luckily, one of his
offensive linemen strips the ball from the defender and they
get it right back, so it didn't even end up
affecting the game that in a negative way. He has
continued to do that, but they've won, so maybe for
other players, like he's in a different category of criticism

(33:13):
as well. Mitchell, you got to put Mahomes in a
different category for praise and criticism and everything. And he's
earned that. He's earned that by winning and winning in
the playoffs, winning it when it matters against every single
quarterback we name the elite we outside of Burrow. I
think he's been beat by Burrow, but Burrow hasn't been
in the playoffs, so we don't get to have that

(33:34):
conversation as of late. But he's beat Lamar, he's beat
Josh Allen, he beat Brock Purdy in the super Bowl.
What do we say, beat to a tongue of biloa
in in uh in Kansas City. So when it comes
to criticism of Patrick Mahomes, you get to he gets,
he gets more grace. He's earned grace, not not because

(33:57):
oh man, he's hyped up and he's like this, because
he's earned the winning earns you grace, and you don't win,
you don't earn grace. So no, that the turnovers aren't
a problem right now. He deserves grace. He earned the
grace as long as his team's winning. If they're losing,
even then, what you're gonna say, what what're gonna say

(34:17):
about it?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
You're not gonna say much. I mean, like you said,
Patrick Mahomes his engine. He might have got his Pirelli
tires back under him. This week with Travis Kelcey Richard,
I mean everyone was concerned. We asked a question to
you last week. Is this the end of Travis Kelcey?
I mean, he did nothing the first three weeks, and
sure enough, it's not the end. Seven catches for eighty

(34:39):
nine yards. Is it safe to say Travis Kelcey is back?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I guess she's It's safe to say he's back.
He never left. They're they're undefeated, and I don't think
he cares if he if he has ten yards or
one hundred and fifty yards, as long as they're winning.
In this game, they needed him to step up more,
obviously with Rushi Rice out. But if Travis Kelsey's the Pirellis,
then Xavier Worthy has to be the nitrous because he's

(35:05):
injecting that kind of nitrous into this offense. They hadn't
scored a touchdown in the first half, and I want
to say it might have been two plays before the touchdown.
The broadcast had just said, oh man, Patrick Mahomes has
only been held scoreless once in his Hall of Fame career.
And then you look up and bomb Xavier Worthy touchdown.

(35:27):
They're like, yeah, that's why he You know, you better
be careful because he has another weapon where things can
turn around quick. These last few years, they've had to
walk the ball down the field, they've had to be conservative,
intermediate passing defense is running too high, keeping the ball
in front of him. But now he has Xavier Worthy.
So when you sit there and you say, hey, we're

(35:47):
gonna we're gonna sit on these routes, we're gonna guard
Patrick Mahons, you bet not, she bet it. You better
watch the one is because this can end quickly and
very bad. And that ended up being a deciding factor
in the game. Obviously, when they only score seventeen points
and seven of them come on an explosive bomb, it's
Xavier Worthy. So Chiefs fans have very little to worry about.

(36:10):
They have a game in New Orleans on Monday Night Football.
That'll be an interesting game. New Orleans coming off a
tough loss to the Atlanta Falcons. We'll see how they respond. Richeld.
Let's take it to New York.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
The j e ts juts juts Jets had an easy
one at home against the Denver Broncos. Are so we
thought the Broncos come out victorious this one ten to nine,
in a kind of a nasty game, heavy rain throughout.
Aaron Rodgers beat up fourteen times, he was hit five sacks,

(36:44):
and he's limping a round all game. Richard, Are you
concerned at all about Aaron Rodgers right now, because this
is not a loss. I know he's not happy taking
any losses, but when you take a loss to the
Denver Broncos, I can't imagine he's thrilled at all.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, it was a it was a heavy rain game. Mental,
it was a very heavy rain game. The weather was awful,
was pouring, which was in favor of the Denver Broncos.
You got a young quarterback, you got a really good
running back in Javonte Williams that they feel real good about.
He's finally starting to get to his pre knee injury form.

(37:25):
And and you're not You're not taking a lot of
shots with bow knicks in the first place. A guy
like Aaron Rodgers who likes to adjust and and throw
quick passes and audible and and move the ball that way,
it has much more of an impact on his game.
Both defenses played extraordinary obviously assisted by the weather in
some regards. But man, you got to give the Denver

(37:47):
defense a lot of credit for what they were able
to do because they were putting pressure. They hit Aaron
Rodgers fourteen times, and if you know Aaron Rodgers and
you've played against him, he does not get hit that often.
Even when protection is bad, he's usually getting the ball out.
He understands where the pressure's coming from. He adjusts his protection.
And I think there were obviously some mistakes made by

(38:08):
the offensive line, maybe by the backs a few times
where guys came free where he thought he had somebody
accounted for, he had at least a chip or to
slow him down. He got blindsided a few times. He
was limping at times, even on the scrambles. We watched
him a few weeks ago where he looked really good

(38:29):
scrambling around, moving around where you're like, hey, that's kind
of that. Aaron Rodgers of old. Obviously he's forty years old,
so you expect there to be some decline. But today
it looked like there were issues in his lower body,
perhaps that on top of the hits he was taking.
I mean, you just don't want to see it. And
that offensive line has to do a better job. Obviously,

(38:52):
Denver had a plan to attack them in every way
and make sure they didn't have time to get the
ball off, especially in this weather game where the ball
slipping out of the coquarterback's hands. But there wasn't a
lot of production from the Denver offense. They did just
enough to win the game. They leaned on their defense,
and their defense gave them everything they needed. This is

(39:14):
the first time Aaron Rodgers led team had zero touchdowns
at home, and it's some weather, but he's played in
bad weather before and it just it just didn't work
for him this time. Some of it is bad luck,
but to get sacked five times, it's tough. Obviously, Nathaniel
Hackett versus Sean Payton was the storyline in this game,

(39:36):
and Sean Payton gets his revenge of sorts. But a
ten to nine game, I mean, just just not a
great game offensively either side. I'm sure Aaron, you know,
everybody saw the last picture of him, just like, oh,
like woe was me? You know, after Greg zuor Line
missed the game potential game winning field goal, and again,

(39:58):
under these under ideal conditions, you expect Zerline to hit
that and the Jets to walk off with a win.
It's not like they didn't have a chance to win.
Let let's not get out of hand. They had a
chance a field goal to win the game. He obviously
misses it in a storyline is what it is. But
it still was a sloppy game. This is the first
time in the history of the National Football League and

(40:20):
at least in the Super Bowl era, quarterback average two
and a half yards in attempt and won the game.
So it's just it just goes to show you what
kind of game it was.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Let's talk about Bonnix's stats. He went twelve of twenty
five for sixty yards and a touchdown. Richard Courtland Sutton
caught all sixty yards of his passing yards three receptions
for sixty yards and a touchdown for Courtland Sutton. The
rest of the nine receptions amounted a grand total of
zero yards.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Richard.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
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Speaker 2 (41:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
This week's Ovation is for Patrick stan So I know
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that had Garrett Wilson uh today. You knew going in
it was going to be a nasty day with the

(41:21):
weather and all that stuff. But when you're dealing with
Patrick Tartan on the other side of the ball, good luck.
I know you have a ton of respect for him
and every guy we bring on the podcast, it always starts,
who's your top cornerback in the league. It's him Rich
I mean, talk about his performance.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Today, Patrick stan you can talk about about his performance
every week. He's the number one corner of the National
Football League, and it's clear and abundant. You know, we
can talk about two, three through four, two through five.
After that, there's a number of guys there. Tariqu Wooland's
playing really well, whatever you want to say about him.
Sauce Gardner's there. Stingley out in Houston is an elite guy.

(42:01):
You know, I'm not trying to leave anybody out, but
there's a lot of guys that are playing good football.
But you talk about a technique standpoint, A guy that
never's panicked, whether it's press or off technique is always sound.
You literally can pick any clip, any game and it's
teach tape. You know, there's very few guys you could
say that about. Patrick Sartana's an elite all pro. You know,

(42:26):
you always want guys to get the ball more and
intercept it. And you say, hey, man, the best corner.
And now I'm a guy who says that best corners
intercepted football, whether he's intercepted in it or not. If
you in your fantasy league have a receiver that's going
against Patrick Certain, sit him. I don't care who he is.
Sit him because hit him in combination with Vance Joseph

(42:49):
and the pressure that this defense is bringing is causing
a lot of people problems. And it's not because they're
not good players, not great players. It's because he's a
freaking cognition. He is what you draw up create a
player on your my player, your your career mode in
NCAA twenty five, and you're talking about corner design Patrick Certain,

(43:12):
and you got a guy. He's one of the best
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our Vation Player of the Game for obvious reasons.

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(43:48):
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them out. Let's take it to Tampa Bay. This is
a hot team. They're three and one. That be my
Detroit Lions in ford Field. I'm still a little beat
up about it, but whatever. We'll take care of Seattle
tomorrow and my I'll be on the up and up.

(44:10):
But Tampa Bay got it done against Philly, and Philly's
beat up right now. They're dealing with that. You know,
no Lane Johnson, no AJ Brown, Devonte Smith got oh
my goodness, got absolutely smoked last week.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Hopefully he's okay.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
This team was beat up coming to this game and
Tampa Bay took care of him. Your thoughts on Tampa Bay.
But before we get to the game, I want to
talk about some comments that Baker made prior to this game.
I mean, you played with Tom Brady for a little
bit your last season in the league. Baker said that
everyone was stressed out with Tom and it was his

(44:44):
job to bring back the joy of football. Tom Brady's response,
stressful was not having Super Bowl rings. Richard, Your thought
on this exchange here.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Well, both of them smoke facts. You know, it's perspective.
Everything's perspective. Baker's playing some really good football right now,
and he's a different kind of leader than Tom Brady.
Tom Brady is a really fun guy. Let's not He's
not some dictator in the locker room. But he is
a guy that holds everybody to a high standard and
holds his receivers to a high standard, his offensive line,

(45:16):
his coaches, his offensive coordinator, his training staff, everybody in
the building. And sure, that's gonna be stressful, but he's
giving you that kind of performance. He's giving you that
kind of effort where you got to deal with a
little bit of stressful. He brought a ring to Tampa
Bay when at a time they didn't have a lot

(45:38):
of hope. I don't think they their fan based. I
don't think their players necessarily thought that they had the
team to win a Super Bowl when he was able
to run through the playoffs as a wild card team,
go to different stadiums and win. They beat Aaron Rodgers
in the NFC Championship game and then played a really

(45:59):
tough Super Bowl game where they against Patrick Mahomes and so,
and that defense played really good. But a bunch of
young players, a bunch of guys who hadn't had a
lot of playoff success, played at a high level. And
that's not because of Tom Brady. They stepped up and
elevated the moment. Antoine Winfield Junior. Everybody remembers the Tyreek keel,

(46:20):
the two fingers, two fingers, two fingers. But he's not wrong.
Like Baker, if you walked into the building and everybody
was stressed, but they got rings on their fingers, maybe
maybe it wasn't. Maybe the stress is what they need.
Maybe that's the kicking the butt they need, because that
pushed them to where they needed to go. Because the

(46:40):
difference between a Super Bowl championship team and just a
good team is inches Mitchell, it's it's details, it's attention
to detail, and Tom was incredible at those things. He
made sure. I mean, when you talk about getting done
with a football game, you fly back the next night.
Are the same night. You get on the bus right

(47:02):
after the game, you drive to the airport, you get
on the plane that night. Tom Brady has his computer
with all the games for the team we're going to play,
loaded everything. He wants, all his notes, and he's sitting
there game planning for the next week. He's not waiting
a moment, Mitchell. He's not. So if he's holding everybody

(47:23):
else to that standard, he's holding himself to an even
higher standard. So I'm not mad either way. Both of them.
Both of them are are right. But Tom has seven
rings and he's saying I got seven for a reason. Baker,
you want to get one. Maybe fun is not the
right word we want to use right now, even though

(47:43):
you having fun and you're doing a great job with
this offense. Had a heck of a game. Let's not
take anything away from Baker Mayfield. He's thirty or forty seven,
three forty seven, two touchdowns and he ran one end.
He looks like he's having a good time. He looks
like he's a great fit in Tampa Bay. But if
you have nobody has more fun. If you ain't getting
a ring, yeah, you get put out in the playoffs

(48:04):
or you go home after the first round. I guarantee
you look at that locker room and nobody's gonna be
having fun Richard. Prior to this game, CJ.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Gardner Johnson put a little bulletin board material out there
saying I'm putting belt.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
To ask uh.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Safe to say that did not happen for the Philadelphia Eagles.
When CJGJ was in Detroit, he was known for this
kind of smack talking and you know, frankly, it kind
of wore fans thin without that production to back it.
And I know he's earned, you know, a name for

(48:42):
himself in Philly, and obviously he had a great career
before that with the Saints. But Richard having a teammate
that vocalizes something like this pre game, like what what
is your thoughts like? Is that something you're just saying, Hey,
just s or are you welcome that?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Ah? It depends. Everybody's different, And I don't think we
have many many times where we said anything pregame because
it's just not it's not worth it. But usually, I mean,
you feel good about it, you feel good as a team,
You're not scared, you don't play this, you don't play
this game if you don't have the confidence and to

(49:20):
bow up and say yeah, yeah, we're about that. We're
about what he said, We're about you know. It's not
like he guaranteed to win or he said he said, hey,
you know, we're about to blow him out. I think
they knew it was a dogfight. But he showed confidence
in himself and his teammates. But for some guys, I
guarantee you, it rubbed them the wrong way. For some,
you know, guys who don't speak a lot, who let
their play speak, I'm sure it rubbed them the wrong way.

(49:41):
And especially when you go into that game and you lose,
and the way they lost, in the fashion in which
they lost, then internally there becomes a little bit of discord,
whether it's offense versus defense, whether it's other guys on
the defense who are playing at a high level who
they were just like, Bro, that's enough. You're playmaker in
this league and CJ. Gardner Johnson has made plays during

(50:04):
his time in this league and deserves credit. Let's not
sit here and act like he's some kind of bomb
or something. He's not. He's a He's a guy who's
made plays. You know he's missed some tackles this year,
and you know, people have gone overboard trying to criticize
him just because he's he's a guy who talks a lot.
But you got to back things like that up. If
you say that and lose, then your your word starts

(50:25):
to count for less. Then it's hey, the next time
you say something, it's kind of falling on deaf ears.
Or you might see some other players like hey, bro,
shut up, man, that's enough, Like, hey, you're doing too
much are The head coach might say, hey, CJ, it's
not let's not let's stay out of the media this
week because we need to get back on track. We

(50:47):
were coming off a win. Sure you feel good, but
when we lose a game, and the way we lost
it wasn't as close as the score looks. You know.
Obviously Keeley Ringo returned to the two point conversion seventy
yards good Friend of Mine full play, But this game
wasn't even this clase. Jalen Hurts had one of his

(51:07):
worst games of the season, and just I mean, without
your two top weapons, any any quarterback put out the
two top receivers that you expected to have when you
start the season. I don't care which team it is
you're going to struggle, except maybe Patrick Mahomes because it
doesn't seem to matter for him or Josh Allen. Right now,
Josh Allen, as everybody eats putting the ball wherever the

(51:30):
open guy, wherever the offense, wherever the rhythm takes him,
that's where he's putting it. But right now Hurts has
had twenty seven turnovers in twenty two games. That's an issue.
And I know we just talked about Patrick Mahoons and like, hey,
it's not an issue, but it's only an issue when
you start to loose. And again, Patrick Mahoons is in
a different category of criticism than Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts

(51:54):
has to be able to play better. This offensive line
is so banged up right now. They used to be
obviously one of the best offensive lines in football, and
it was non negotiable. It's non debatable. You could not
debate that when they had Jason Kelce, they had Lane Johnson.
They have all these guys that you're like Landon Dickerson,
you got you got guys where you feel good that, oh,

(52:16):
they're gonna bulldoze people similar to your Detroit Lions and
the offensive line they put together with Ragno and Decker
and pen Seoul, but they they're banged up right now
and they're getting He's getting more pressure than he has
in the past. Uh Levante David had a sack, force
fumbling this game, two sacks, Vita Vea had a sack,

(52:38):
and they ran into situations where there were goal to go,
ran the ball and Viata Vea in this defensive line
just said no, hey, no, we're no again and again
and again. And even the tush push they got, they
got a touchdown off of it. But again, it's not
as consistent as it once was when they had Jason
Kelsey and he was getting that push and it's almost automatic.

(53:01):
It's not as automatic as it once was, and you're
just not seeing the same consistency from this team. Sakuon
Barkley has been awesome. He's been awesome. He's been everything
I think they would have expected him to be, and
I think, you know, for a lot of it. He
won that game last week against New Orleans. You know,

(53:22):
obviously there was some yardage thrown by Jalen Hurts, but
without that big play by Sakwon Barkley I don't think
they win that game. And you're just not seeing them
put up the points they have in the pass, and
you wonder what it is that the new OC defensively
they're giving up points. Have they just not caught on

(53:42):
to vic scheme? Because last week they were able to
hold the Saints down. This week they give up thirty
three points, and so something has to give. Something has
to give. It's unacceptable to only score sixteen points and
to give up thirty three points. This is a really
talented team and they got to figure out what's wrong.
Give credit to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Todd Bowles.
This team has played together for a long time. They

(54:04):
have the pieces, two elite receivers and Chris Godwin and
Mike Evans, and they're gonna give teams problems. Mike Evans
got another touchdown, eight catches for ninety four yards. Chris Evans,
I mean Chris Godwin called a number of third, crucial
third downs throughout the game. And then defensively Beata veya,
Levonte David. Those are still names you need to know.

(54:26):
Those are still names that will have impacts every single time,
and they're doing it again. Todd Bowles is gonna give
you a tough scheme to deal with. Mike Evans became
the bucks all time leading scores. Their congratulations to him,
passing Martine Formatica. That's incredible. Congratulations Mike. The Eagles have

(54:47):
a bye. The Bucks are with us this Thursday at
seven pm only on Prime Video. Will be in Atlanta
to see if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Baker Mayfield
can continue this hot streak in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
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(55:26):
of folks saw this coming. I mean, he had his
moments in Cleveland, he was cast away, some argued it,
you know, they went in favor of Shan Watson. Then
he goes to the Rams and has his moments of
flair bringing them back against the Raiders a couple years back.
And then he goes to the Bucks and turns his
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(55:48):
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This goes to show, you know, the hard work that
Richard's put into this, and we really really appreciate all
of you guys tuning in from across the country. Shout
out to Baker Mayfield, Brightling's player in prime Time, Richard.
Let's take it to Green Bay, Minnesota stays hot. I
don't think anyone saw this team being this good coming
into the season. They rode them off in the NFC North.

(56:41):
I think a lot of folks thought the Bears were
going to take over him no problem. But now we
have Sam Darnold. I mean again, Sam Donald goes crazy
in the first half. He now says the fourth highest
odds on DraftKings to win the MVP at plus fifteen hundred.
He's tied with Lamar Jackson. This is relatively unheard of.

(57:01):
Rich The Minnesota Vikings pull off a stunner on the
road against the Packers. Your thoughts on this game.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Well, first off, I want to double down on what
you said. We appreciate you fans, even the ones who
don't agree with everything I'm saying. You know and think
I'm crazy and absolutely totally offbeat, and then put in
the comments I try to I accept all criticism. Baby,
I appreciate you either way. You could be anywhere in
the world, but you here with us, and we appreciate
you subscribing and watching us. We try to give you

(57:29):
the best content, honest opinion, accurate info. Every now and
then we may slip up and say the wrong thing.
We apologize and we try to correct the one we can.
But we appreciate you. Sam Darnell and the Minnesota Vikings
are an incredible story. Mitchell. You talk about a surprise,
You talk about out of left field, and maybe not

(57:50):
for the Minnesota Vikings fans, but for me. The way
they're winning, and this became a lot closer and a
lot more of a burder then I'm sure they wanted
it to be. Late in this game, Jordan Love struggled
early on, was able to find a little bit of
a rhythm late get some yards. He threw up some

(58:11):
fifty to fifty balls that his receivers were able to
come up with, some they weren't, and Byron Murphy gave
up a touchdown then also got an interception on the
fifty to fifty ball, got a force fumble. But you
talk about guys like showing up, Como Grudger Heel with

(58:34):
the interception. Shaq Griffin, the old Seattle Seahawk had an
interception of off a tip pass or through the receiver's hands,
whichever way you want to put it. But they're just
playing with so much confidence. And Brian Flores has put
a lot of pressure on teams with his scheme. You know,
every week you hear another quarterback talking about how tough

(58:55):
his scheme is to deal with. He's made some adjustments,
he's got the right personnel, the right people in the
right places. But Sam Darnold and Kevin O'Connell are match
made in heaven, And we said this earlier in the year.
Sometimes it takes a little second to develop, It takes
a second to get in the right scheme in a
right place, And Kevin O'Connell did a great job articulating

(59:18):
that point that sometimes it's not the players fail in
the organization, it's the organizations that are failing. These players
they don't have they don't have the right guys in
place to develop, because these same players can be productive
other places. So that means it's not the player. Maybe
you're not doing enough to play into his strengths or

(59:39):
understand his strengths in designing a scheme that allows him
to flourish in that way. And I don't think we
talk about that enough, both offensively and defensively. We talk
about these top picks being bused, sometimes at the cornerback
position sometimes d lineman on. Offensively, quarterback is obviously a
big one. But in the wrong scheme, everybody can look bad.

(01:00:03):
You know, if you're sitting there and you're a you're
a man corner and you're in his own scheme and
they're like, man, he's getting cooked. Well, maybe his IQ
is different, Maybe he wants he's a he's a what
what do they call him? Oh, it's it's cat coverage.
They call it cat coverage because you'd be like, I

(01:00:24):
got that cat, you got that cat. I got that cat.
You got that cat. And some guys are better in that, like, hey,
I just need a guy to study that I can
follow all week. I don't want to understand route concepts.
I don't want to understand combinations. I don't want to
understand all that. Give me the guy and I'll stop
him catching the ball. I was a different kind of
guy than that. I want the whole scheme. I want

(01:00:45):
the whole picture. I'm sometimes gonna steal a route that
has nothing to do with me and intercept it for
the game. And and everybody's different, but you have to
understand who you're recruiting, who you're drafting, and be able
to design your scheme if you're a good enough coordinator
to fit your personnel and your personnel to fit your scheme.
And Sam Donald is the perfect example, eleven touchdowns on

(01:01:07):
the season, leading the National Football League, coming from Kyle
Shanahan's system, where he backed up Brock Party and got
a few opportunities to showcase his talent A little bit,
but not a ton. But he showed a massive development,
a massive step forward from what he was dealing with
when he was with the New York Jets. When he
got drafted, it just was not the right situation, the

(01:01:28):
right fit, the right offense, the right scheme, the right personnel,
and he didn't succeed Mitchell. People were calling him a
bus And now if you if you go back in
time and you erased all that and you said, hey,
Sam Donald was a was a top pick and he's
leading the league in touchdowns, you say, obviously they thought
he was a top pick. They thought the talent was there.

(01:01:50):
They saw what people saw at USC. But now he
has the supporting cast and justin Jefferson Addison had a
really good game, a really good curl go route for
a touchdown where he dropped the dime on him. He
has a supporting defense, you know, just like a young game.
He has a run game and Aaron Jones, who had
a fantastic revenge game against the Green Bay Packers, who

(01:02:14):
I don't think should have ever let him walk, not
for that price. You know, it does stuff like that
I don't understand because it comes back to bite you
in the butt when it's when you're sitting there, one
two million dollars homegrown guy who's played well in the
playoffs for you, understands your system, understands your fan base.
The fans seem to love him, embrace the culture like

(01:02:36):
it's so rare that not that Jacobs isn't Josh Jacobs
isn't a phenomenal back. He is a phenomenal talent. But
you had a guy who is both a great receiver,
a great running back, fits your scheme, understands your quarterback
blocks well. And now he had twenty two rushes for
ninety three yards against you, four receptions for forty six yards,
and it's first and he's doing Lambeau Leaks with the

(01:02:58):
Minnesota Vikings for them on after the game. And don't
be mad at him. He wanted to stay. And now
his team is four and zero. You got a division
rival that you just helped get better with a back
you could have kept home. And that's that's one of
those decisions I'm sure they'll look back on as a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Will you talk about a good scheme fit and a
good team fit, I mean, Aaron Jones was both of
those things with the Green Bay Packers and they let
him walk. And we talked about it in our free
agency recap midway through the offseason, Richard, we both were
kind of shrugging, like, Okay, like you just said, Josh Jacobs,
great player, bruiser, you know, younger than Aaron Jones. I

(01:03:43):
know Aaron Jones was a little beat up his last
two years with the Packers. But how you can just
let a guy like this walk out the door? And
then you look at the other side at Minnesota all
last year, They've got all these weapons, right, they go
out and spend a high draft pick on Jordan Addison,
they already got Justin Jefferson. Hockinson's going to be coming
off ir tiar two. But what they did not have

(01:04:04):
last year is a running game. They relied heavily on
Alexander Madison. He wasn't the guy they thought he could
be in Prior to that, they had Dalvin Cook, who
who we talked about off here, had his fumbling issues,
had his injury issues, was one hit away from being
out of every game, it seemed. And now they had
a reliable veteran in Aaron Jones. And you gotta sit
back and wonder, man, you've got a guy you can

(01:04:25):
trust with the ball in his hands in the backfield,
and Aaron Jones, and then you got those wideouts, and
now you just insert a game manager and Sam Darnold.
The Vikings have been objectively, I don't think there's much
debate the most dominant team in the NFL this year
thus far. They've only trailed for less than three and
a half minutes all season, and they jumped out twenty
eight to nothing on the road against the Pack. As

(01:04:47):
a Lions fan, I'm nervous about this team because, like
you said, they got Brian Flores, this defense stays humming.
The Minnesota Vikings are a team to watch out for
on a league scaled not just divisionally, and this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Was a big game, but for all intents and purposes,
this is a division game. You're in Green Bay, you're
at Lambeau. Your team's four and oh now and now
they got to continue. Now this is the standard. And
they go to play a Jets team that's coming off
a very tough loss. The defense has been playing really well,

(01:05:22):
but a quarterback that was hit fourteen times. So you
talk about Brian Flores licking his chops and his defense
looking at their chops. They're gonna continue. They're going to
look at everything the Denver Broncos did and they're gonna
do it again to the Jets. So this team could
be looking at five and zero and we're talking about
the potential, like we have to start talking about number
one seed in the playoffs as they continue to go

(01:05:43):
through their schedule because they have favorable matchups. They do
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I want to move on here, Richard. We already kind
of touched on it a little bit, but the Washington we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Can't not touch on Xavier McKinney getting his fourth interception
in four games mitche leading the league, National Football League
and interceptions and a lot of these are covered twos.
He just has such a great field for the game,
a great understanding, obviously, great ball skills, and he's been
one of their most underrated pickups this offseason. No question

(01:06:20):
is Xavier McKenny.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
The Giants should have never let him walk, But the
Giants will continue to do Giants things. Let's talk about
another player that's just really taking the league by storm
here at Jade and Daniels and I know you touched
on it briefly earlier, but the Washington Commanders are one
of those teams, and we've talked about it the last
couple of weeks. If Jade and Daniels can come in

(01:06:42):
here and pull a CJ. Stroud and elevate everyone around him,
which it looks like he's doing. Look out for the
Washington Commanders and I know you got a buddy on
that on that defense and Bobby Wagner leading the charge
for this team defensively. They go on the road against
Arizona Cardinals, who's been a tough matchup for every team
they played this year, and they absolutely shall lack them

(01:07:04):
forty two to fourteen. Jayden Daniels goes twenty six of
thirty Richard for two hundred and thirty three yards. I mean,
this kid's a rookie. I mean, are you kid me?
Eighty nine percent completion percentage the last two weeks. Is
it safe to say the defense or the Rookie Player
of the Year is wrapped up with Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Well, it's a long season, so let's not wrap up anything.
Let's not give anybody that before it is due. But
he's definitely in the lead, Mitchell, and he's done. He's
done a great job earning it before before they punted
this game, they had fifteen straight you know, with it

(01:07:45):
continuing in this into this game, fifteen straight scoring drives
without a punt. They punted this game. And this is
a rookie quarterback. I mean it goes to the offensive
coordinator and the job that he's doing. It goes to
obviously Jayden Daniel's efficiency eighty nine percent over the last
two games, completion percentage. But the kids just poised and

(01:08:09):
he's having a good time. He's dancing, he's running when
he needs to. He's keeping his body out of trouble,
out of harm's way. He's not taking a lot of hits.
He was Week one. He took a couple week one
that I kind of cringed at and said, h be careful.
I mean, we saw with Anthony Richardson him once again
go out with an injury. Like last year he went
out with a season ending injury. We're praying that it's

(01:08:30):
not a season ending hip injury this time and maybe
it's just a stinger or a hit pointer and he'll
be back next week. But it's a dangerous game, and
as a mobile quarterback, you have to get yourself out
of harm's way. You can run. You can be dynamic,
get down or get out of bounds, and he's doing
a great job of doing that. But let's talk about
his arm metal, his decision making. He had He had

(01:08:52):
one pass that I got away from him ended up
being interception in the ball game, which I'm sure he
wants that one back. But for all into and purposes,
this kid has had great command. He looks a lot
like CJ. Stroud did last year. And not to take
anything away from what he's doing because he's his own man,
but just making the game look really easy, and this

(01:09:12):
is a hard game to play. It's definitely a hard
game to quarterback, and we've seen that a number of
times from other quarterbacks. He just seems like he's prepared
for the moment. Dan Quinn Bobby Wagner had this defense
right where they need to be competing in these ball games.
They held the Arizona Cardinals. And the Arizona Cardinals have

(01:09:33):
had some up and down games where they scored a
lot of points, They've not scored a lot of points,
et cetera, et cetera. But they held this offense to
fourteen points and they were able to get huge stops
in this offense and run game man Brian Robinson and
these receivers. He's spreading the ball around, these veterans, zach
Ertz catching them passes. This is gonna be a team

(01:09:55):
that has a chance, really has a chance to win
this division because the other teams that you would think
are favored and dominant, the Dallas Cowboys, incredibly talented team,
are now really beat up and really just not looking
like they're on track offensively to be dominant. And then
you look at the Philadelphia Eagles, who just got beat

(01:10:17):
pretty handily by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Without Aj Brown
and Devonte Smith and Lane Johnson just look vulnerable. And
if you let this team get too many wins ahead,
you're not gonna be able to catch up. And if
they can find a way to beat the Dallas Cowboys
or to beat the Philadelphia Eagles once, maybe twice, Mitchell,
we're talking about a changing of the guard because this

(01:10:39):
quarterback isn't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
And I like the changing of the guard call because
I like this team in the division. I mean, you
go on the road last week and beat the Cincinnati Bengals,
who are desperate for a win on the road. Richard
and dominate that game for the most part. I know
it got a little close late, but dude, I mean
the Washington Commanders had that game controlled for the bulk
of that game. And then they go on the road

(01:11:03):
again against the Cardinals team that is again another team
that's desperate for a win, and they dominate. Jaden Daniels.
I like the Washington Commanders. I like him in the division.
They can take advantage because who knows what's gonna happen
with Micah Parsons, with Exeter Lawrence being out. The Cowboys
could go on a little dry spell here too. And
like you said, they did not look themselves at all

(01:11:24):
on Thursday night. I know they walked away with a win,
but you're telecast everyone. Tony Gonzalez said it best. I mean,
this team just does not look like the Dallas Cowboys.
And you see the Eagles reeling with injuries. I think
this might be the Washington Commander's division.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Richard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Let's take it to Indianapolis. We saw justin Fields. You know,
he played decent twenty two to thirty four, three hundred
and twelve yards in a loss. You know, had one
blunder there with the fumble. What are your thoughts. You're
Mike Tomlin, you experience your first loss of the season.
If Russell Wilson's bad and ready to go next week,

(01:12:02):
where's your mind at? Are you sticking with Justin Fields?
Are you moving over to Russell Wilson?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I think you have to play the hot hand. You
can't risk you know, RUSS trying to get up to speed.
You know, it's tough to come into the National Football
League and play a game for five games into the
season because everybody else is up to speed. Everybody else
is moving five games, they're on rhythm. Now they're not.
You know, first couple of games, you're rusty, you're knocking

(01:12:28):
off for RUSS. Coverages are knocking off RUSS players may
have more bust offensive line and still trying to get
some continuity. Defensive linemen are you know, trying to work
out their moves. But five games in, teams are roaring,
raring to go, and for Justin Fields to take the
kind of step he did in the second half of
this game, first half is still kind of rough. We

(01:12:51):
can talk about the fumble, you know, just a bad
play where he should have just got rid of it
and saved the bad play. But trying to do too much.
But he could have folded right there. He could have
went into the two. We could have went into the hole,
and at times last year with Chicago Bears he did,
and you know, problems got compounded. But he showed a

(01:13:11):
real growth in this game. Three hundred and twelve yards,
ten rushes for fifty five yards and two touchdowns. When
he needed to use his legs, he did, and he
didn't lean on him. He didn't say, man, I got
to use my legs to so you know, I'm scared
to throw it. He threw it when he could. George
Pickens hit him a number of times. Unfortunately, that was

(01:13:31):
another play that could have that hurt him was a
George Pickens fumble in the red zone where he just
hit him with a good pass. George Pickens trying to
get more yards fumbles gives the ball back and you
lose a really close ball game where if you don't
have that turnover, maybe you win that game. And this
wasn't their defense's best performance. As I said before, they

(01:13:53):
had been playing freaking world class football the first couple
games of the season. TJ. Watt single handedly pretty much
winning games or scoring on defense They're doing a lot
of great things this game, you know, against the offense
that you're not expecting a ton up from and a
defense that's been statistically one of the worst in the
National Football League. You thought this was a layup game.

(01:14:15):
But there's no layups. There's no guarantees in the National
Football League, as we continue to see. And in a
game where they were struggling and Flacco came in a
veteran quarterback who can just get the job done. Hit
the open guy, complete the easy passes, complete the layoffs.
Really gave them issues and they needed Justin Fields to

(01:14:36):
play over and beyond and for a while he did.
He had a chance with two minutes to go and
at the end of the game to drive the ball
down the field. Again, they had some mishaps, a misssnap
put them behind the eight ball, couldn't could never recover
and get back ahead of the sticks. But this has
to be very, very encouraging if you're Mike Tomlin and

(01:14:56):
you're just thinking about the development of Justin Fields and
what he could be in the future. But who knows,
I don't make the call. Maybe they play Russell Wilson
next week and they say, hey, man, they didn't see
enough from justin fields to continue. But it just wouldn't
feel right now. I don't think the fans or the
players would expect that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
You gotta love Joe Flacco just coming into this game
and continuing his hot streak from last year. I mean,
comes in late Salvage is a Brown season, like really
turns around his career, and then he comes in here
and it's like, I bet the Steelers fans and coaching
staff were probably wishing that Anthony Richardson was still in

(01:15:34):
the game, because he goes sixteen to twenty six, one
sixty eight, two touchdowns, pushing the ball all over the place,
getting Josh Downs involved, who really hasn't done anything all season.
It goes to show you when you have a quarterback
that can distribute the football and you got weapons like
the Colts have, you know, Joe Flacco might have just
found himself another home Richard. Who knows how long Anthony

(01:15:56):
Richardson's out, but Flacco continues doing Flacco things. Let's take
it to Chicago. Chicago gets a much much needed win.
Caleb Williams has arguably his best game as a pro,
seventeen to twenty three for one p fifty seven in
a touchdown. But Richard, what are your thoughts on him

(01:16:17):
thus far? Because you're not seeing the same fanfare that
you see with Jade and Daniels. You see with Jayden Daniels,
you see, Hey, this guy is going to be a superstar.
I don't know if I feel the same way about
Caleb Williams just yet. What are your thoughts on him?

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Well, you know, just give him credit. You know, it's
hard to win this league, and this defense has given
him a lot of chance chances to win. They're keeping
him in the game. They're playing great football. Jakwan Brisker
could have had two interceptions in this game. One of
them he's stepped out of bounds leading to a field
goal for the Rams, but got the game ceiling interception

(01:16:54):
at the end. I just saw Caleb Williams miss a
few passes that you expect an NFL quarterback to make,
and he's young, and he did get sacked three times.
And I you know, I've been very tough on the
offensive line of the Chicago Bears, and they did a
much better job in this game. They did a much
better job in this game opening holes up for DeAndre

(01:17:15):
Swift to get through. He had a number of big
runs that helped him, and that's that's again the best
friend of a young quarterback is a run game and
your defense and take pressure off of him so that
he can develop and he can miss a few throws
and then maybe he start to learn within the game
and win and hit those throws later on. And he
ended up hitting Dj Moore for a touchdown late in

(01:17:38):
the game, a really good pass. But he missed on
a few and he benefited from a defensive pi on
Tradavious White when he was guarding Keenan Allen got it
to the one yard line. They run it in. So
you appreciate his development, you know, and him being more
efficient caring about the ball. But those sacks, so a

(01:18:00):
lot of those sacks were him holding the ball too long.
Things he has to learn. You got to speed up
your process. Understand when it collapses, you don't have more
than four or five seconds to get that ball out
of there. Don't always try to play hero ball. There
were times he got out the pocket. He looked like
he did in college, that quick flick of the wrist
that everybody's falling in love with. That. Patrick Mahon's like movement,

(01:18:23):
but when you're in that pocket and it's collapsing and
you say hey, sometimes you just got to say, hey,
we don't got it, display let it go, and that
would avoid some of those sacks. And some offensive linemen,
you know, would say those should be counted differently because
offensive linemen say get rid of the football and quarterbacks
say hold on to the football because I want to
protect my efficiency. But the sacks fall off on the

(01:18:46):
offensive line. So if you throw it away, it's incompletion,
but it's not a sack on the offensive line. But
if you hold it, it's a sack on the offensive line,
but it's not incompletion, so it's not necessarily a negative
play on a quarterback stat sheet. So he has to
find a way to to get that ball out. But
congratulations to him. Another win, and it's hard to win
in this league.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
We got a big game tomorrow night, and you're wearing
the Seattle Seahawks cap. And I'm gonna be at the game, Richard.
The Detroit Lions take on your Seattle Seahawks. Let's talk
about this game real quick. I need a little prediction
from you. I mean, where's your hat at with this game?
Do you believe that the Seattle Seahawks can go on

(01:19:27):
the road again and spoil the Monday night for the
Detroit Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Well, I'll say this, and I'll you know, I always
like to leave with facts and things that that makes
it okay. I do the Seattle Seahawks have not necessarily
played the greatest defense the last few years, and that's
statistically speaking, and still found a way to battle in
those games. They have a new a new look. They're
playing some of their best football you talk about Witherspoon

(01:19:54):
and Tarik wooland playing honestly really lockdown defense within McDonald's
ski Boye Mafe, who's not playing this game, Leonard Williams,
Byron Murphy all out for this game, but other guys
have stepped up and made tremendous impact. And I think schematically,

(01:20:14):
Mike McDonald puts a lot of pressure on himself to
make things right, and the Detroit Lions, when facing this
scheme against Baltimore last year, did not fare well. I
think it was thirty eight to six or something along
those lines. So it's a lot of those things that
lead me to believe that Mike McDonald has answers for
what Ben Johnson was trying to do last year. Maybe

(01:20:36):
Ben Johnson makes an adjustment, Maybe Jared Golf plays better.
Maybe this offensive line just says, hey, screw it, We're
just gonna play bully ball and we run it down
your throats the entire game. Who knows, but you know,
Tyrrell Dotson has stepped up and played a great role
in his defense. Jaron Reid's gonna have a phenomenal game.
I believe this will be a breakout game for him.

(01:20:57):
Derek Hale, who's been really a menace as an outside linebacker,
slash d in, whatever you want to label him. But
anything can happen. You know, Detroit is an incredible team,
especially at home here at Golf is playing good football.
But if they start to get to Jared early, you
know how that goes. I do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Detroit needs to go out there and prove themselves again.
I mean, even that Arizona game, they put twenty points
on the board in the first half and didn't score
the rest of the game. They need to come out
and be a little bit more consistent. Sam Laporte is
a little dinged up, but they got to get them
more involved.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Richard.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
For me, I need to see the Lions score thirty
plus points this week to feel a little calm because
their defenses looked good, but offensively they haven't showcased their
same skill set as they did last year. So I'm
hoping and praying. But I got the Lions winning thirty
one to twenty one tomorrow. That's my take on it.
I need a little score present. Give me a score prediction,

(01:21:56):
Richard before.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Prediction Mitchell four or seventeen a Seattle Seahawks pull away
with the victory. My wild card in this, Mitchell is
that is that defensive line versus of Detroit's versus the
offensive line of Seattle Seahawks. That can be the oil

(01:22:17):
and in all this party, that can be the thing
that ruins this day for Gino Smith, DK Metcalf JSCN,
Tyler Lockett and the boys K nine supposedly playing this game.
He's he's healthy for the first time in a couple
of weeks. That'll be a boost that this offense needs.
But if they cannot protect Geno Smith, if Aiden Hutchinson

(01:22:38):
continues to go off in the way he has as
the you know, league leader in sacks, then that that
changes the whole equation. Because you got to be able
to protect the quarterback. When Geno's kept clean, he's very
tough to deal with. Richard.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
I will let you sign us off as we can conclude.
I mean, shoot, we're already through week four. This is
time flies sign us.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Well, thank you guys again for joining us. We appreciate you.
You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here
with us. We'll have another special guest on the next
episode of the Richard Sherman Podcast. Please stay tuned the

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Richard Sherman Podcast - Week 4: 49ers BOUNCE BACK, Chiefs edge Chargers, Vikings 4-0