April 17, 2025 • 36 mins
One of the preeminent NFL Draft experts alive joins Action Network hosts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter. Todd McShay is a pioneering figure in Draft coverage, with over two decades of mock draft experience. He’s one of the longest-running and most respected Draft voices, and his excellent newsletter The McShay Report has quickly become a must-have for bettors of the NFL Draft. Together the trio discusses potential landing places for quarterback prospects, the prospects with the highest floor, Travis Hunter's chances as a two-way NFL player, and so much more. #Volume #herd
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
sixty five. We are part of the Volume podcast Network.
I am Chad Milman of the Action Network. Today I'm
joined as always by my co host, my companion, my Campadre,
my BFF professional better Simon Hunter.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Eto. So I am it.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hello chat.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think I have a fun fact for you today
that you're gonna love. A couple of episodes ago, you
called me out for my Irish goodbye at our party
and if people have ever wondered, what do they call
it in England, because they don't call an Irish goodbye
obviously in England they call it a backdoor boogie. Really,
just love the idea of someone turned into their mate
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saying yeah, I'm about the back door boogie and then
just leave no such thing as an Irish goodbye.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Did you get that from your mommy?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
No, just some British listeners, a diehard fan of ours,
my cousin, No way.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, So I thought that was really clever.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Here's what I loved about that event. By the way,
So we were there and I think I told this story.
Did I tell the story about the kid I met
from Indiana who had played soccer there, but he grew
up in Liverpool and I told him that you were
from northern England as well. And when I told him
where you were from, he looked at me as like, man,
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that is hardcore. It's rough, old school England right there.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah, I told you.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Anytime I do go, especially because I'm a big guy,
like I'm tall and overweight, which is very American, I
stick out like you wouldn't believe it. Like everyone could
just tell I'm American immediately.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
When I'm walking around down there.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So yeah, always fun going back home.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Here's a fun fact if we're going to go into
fun facts. So you know, I'm working on this book
and so a lot of my days right now are
spent and doing so much research. Like if you could
see outside the camera frame, my desk is piled piled
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with books about gambling history, including David Schwartz Roll the
Bones that we had on earlier in the year, and
as well as newspaper articles, old photos. I told you
I met with the grandson of the guy who invented
the point spread, another very famous old school bookie who
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was a bookmaker with the Mob in the nineteen thirties
and forties. His son sent me piles of newspapers and
of clippings and piles of old photos, and like this morning,
I was looking at a.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Photo of this dude with three.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
World famous jockeys from the nineteen thirties and forties at
a club in Havana, Cuba.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Like real old school stuff, right.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But one of the facts I read the other day,
do you know why it's called handicapping? Do you know
why everything we do is called handicapping?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I always figured it was if you were wrong, they
take your knee. No, the handicap, Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's in the eighteen seventies, the guy who ran like
the Jockey Club of England, who was a royal admiral
who probably had a name of Sir something or other.
Everyone who loved horse racing in England, as you know,
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as we all know, and they were trying to find
ways to make the races more even because there would
be horses who were really fast and horses that were
really slow, and they didn't have odds yet, and so
they were trying to figure out how to make it
better for betters. So they would add weights to the
fast horses to give them a handicap, and that is
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how it's called handicapping.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
That's insane, isn't that great?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, so that's funny. And then that and then golf
took it. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, Betty has added to the vernacular of sports in
so many freaking ways that I am I've always known,
but I'm like unpacking and so many other facets as
I go through this research. It's it's super fun. I
can't wait to come to South Jersey and sit with
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you for the day and tell you everything, and tell
you everything.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I've learned so far.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Brother, about this history.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You know what else I'm looking forward to. We got
a big, big guest coming on. This guy is so
super famous in the world of draft. Draft coverage revolutionized
the game. It can only be one of two people. Okay,
(04:59):
I think you know who I'm talking about. I think
the guests or the listeners know who I'm talking about.
We're going to bring them on in a second. As
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of the most prominent media figures when it comes to
the NFL Draft universe. You can argue that there's only
two people that matter in this universe.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And he is one of them. One of the longest
running and.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Most respected mock drafters anywhere. You can catch his NFL
Draft live stream on the mcshae Show, on Spotify and
YouTube you can subscribe to is very excellent draft newsletter,
the mcshae Report.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Welcome to the show, Todd McShay.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It was a hell of an intro. I appreciate it, Chad.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
We like to shine on the show. You know why.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
We only get like supreme superior premium guests, so we
go big.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So thanks for having me, Thanks for putting me in
that shortlist.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
What's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Congrats on all the success, Congrats on the launch of
the show. Congrats on the newsletter.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I know you've thought a lot about it. I know
you worked hard on it. I'm super psyched for you.
I'm glad it's working out. I don't want to waste
your time. You got like a week before the draft.
Every second is precious. You put out a new mock draft,
very bold move, predicting a trade involving the Browns. You
mocked the brown selecting Travis Hunter at number two and
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trading up with Atlanta to take Shador Sanders. Do you
feel more or less confident about this prediction today? Do
you feel confident about getting Sanders landing position correct? Being
the pivot point of this year's mock process.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
I would say I feel as are more confident that
Shador Sanders is not going to go in the first
nine picks, which is saying a lot because I think
a lot of people, including myself early on, thought that
the Giants that was a possibility at three, right, I
got off of that pretty quickly, and that I think
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everyone still to this day is saying, well, the Saints
make a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
He doesn't have the big arm.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
You can play a dome, that division is good weather.
Kellen Moore, I look at it this way, and I've
got sources as well, but my initial reaction to that
was Kellen. Quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators and offensive minded
coaches they get used to and they kind of structure
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what they want to do around what they've worked with
and what's been successful. He's been successful as an offensive
coordinator in three different places, right. It's been with Dak
Prescott in Dallas, It's been with Justin Herbert Los Angeles,
and it's been with Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
That's not Shador man, That's just you.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Know, Shador would fit with Cleveland and the reason why
I had Cleveland trading up. And we'll get to that
in a second. Like Kevin Stefanski is one with that
kind of guy. He won like ten eleven games with
guys who didn't have big time arms, including most recently
Kirk Cousins. You know, not the biggest, not the strongest arm,
not the most mobile. But so what makes them successful.
It's fast processing, very you're throwing the ball around the field.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So I like.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Cleveland and Shadoor as a marriage in terms of what
the coach is used to and what the coach has
had success with at the quarterback position. But as we
get closer to the draft, I think Jackson Dart is
the Saints, the guy the Saints want, and it's because
of those things I just mentioned. Jackson Dart is a sturdy, mobile,
stronger arm quarterback. Right, I don't think a quarterback's going
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to go in the top nine. Now, the Derek Carr
situation with the shoulder curious timing.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
That may speed up the process for the Saints.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
But Mickey loomis the GM there has a track record
of targeting a player he wants and giving up whatever he.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Has to get give up to go get him.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
So I envision a scenario in which we're looking at
this and now all of a sudden Shador Sanders and
Jackson Dart are still available at ten, and now the
clock is ticking, and I think everyone in the league
is well aware of Mike Tomlin and his affection for
Shador Sanders and would like to get a at twenty one,
but they don't have a second round pick, and I
don't know they're willing to give up more draft capital
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to go up and get Shador. And we'll find out
what happens with Aaron Rodgers. So I think everyone in
the league that has interested in those two quarterbacks is
looking in saying A twenty one. We've got to get
ahead of that, but we can wait it out, and
we don't want to move in the top ten and
give away next year's first round pick.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
So if it's the Giants or the Browns.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
I think I think somewhere in that ten to twenty
range would be the area they would move up. And
I went with Atlanta because Atlanta has the second fewest
picks in the.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Entire draft with five. But we'll see how it all
plays out.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
I could see Shador going somewhere in that ten to
twenty range.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Team moving up.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Starting to feel like it might be the Giants more
so but we'll see how that plays out. And then
I could see Jackson Dart a team trading up with
Minnesota Minnesota only has four picks in the entire draft
and trying to get up ahead of Cleveland or the Giants,
who ever sitting there thirty three, thirty four, and I
think New Orleans could be that team to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A So I have two quick file ups.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I know Simon wants to jump in with a very
important quarterback question Number one. I just want to clarify
either I misheard you or you just said you don't
think any quarterbacks will go in the top nine.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, no, no, no, no, okay, I mispoke.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
If I said that camboard's going number one, you can
you can write that down.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Got its sharpie? Yes, So I've meant the other any
of the other quarterbacks, got it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Number two?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
If you're the Browns and you've got the second pick.
We had this conversation Simon and I the other day
with one of our.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Guests, why wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You go for Shador Sanders there? If what you need
the most is a quarterback and Travis Hunter, you could
be reaching for a cornerback at number two or reaching
for a guy who is a dynamic athlete but maybe
not a brilliant receiver. Yet at number two.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Travis Hunter is brilliant Okay, at wide receiver and at cornerback.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You can't pass on that. I actually I looked this
up this Morning'm pulling up my phone.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I've heard a lot of people say with the Giants
and the Browns, you know the possibility of like the
cake and eat it too scenario like Nick Cassario did
recently where he took CJ at two and moved up
to get Will Anderson. Different circumstances. In my opinion, I
think this scenario could play out more like we've seen
in the past. Lamar Jackson would be like the glass
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half full scenario where the Browns took their tight end
early in the first round, thought the night was over.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
All of a sudden, Lamar is sitting there.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
They get an opportunity, they traded into thirty two, and
they take Lamar Jackson there. But I want to remind people,
and this is what I looked up. This is why
I'm looking down at my phone here.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, good research.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Johnny Manzell Browns took him at twenty At twenty two,
overall in twenty fourteen after they took Justin Gilbert at eight.
Brandon Weedon the Browns are three.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
The four examples here.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Brandon Weedon also at twenty two in twenty twelve after
they took Trent Richardson at number three, Brady Quinn also
at number twenty two, two for the Browns in two
thousand and seven after they took Joe Thomas at three,
the Ravens Kyle Boehler at nineteen in two thousand and
three after they took Terrell Suggs. So I say all that,
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if you don't have a grade that's equivalent to one
of those picks you have to take, you have to take.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
A These are premium positions.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Corner wide receiver. He could solve problems on both sides
of the ball and be an instant impact player on
the offensive side. Travis Hunter could be for the Browns.
That's what they expect. Abdul Carter best pass rusher, premium position,
premium pick at number three. And then yeah, you try
to move back up and go get your guy, but
history tells us more often than not when you don't
have the grade where you're like, absolutely, we're picking I
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mean they have massive needs for the future of these organizations.
If they loved Shador Sanders enough, this would.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Be a moot point. The information would be leaking out everywhere.
They don't.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
So you don't reach for a quarterback and pass up
on a future Joe Thomas or Terrell sucks.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You've sufficiently put me in my place. Go ahead, some.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Just really quick.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I would love to know the view though on Travis
Hunter of what is what is his ceiling? So like
in your mind you're taking him here at number two,
you need him to be what a top twenty five receiver,
a top twenty five corner because people like me, who
are just huge NFL fans, I just don't.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Know how it works.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Like I'm trying to wrap my head around him going
up against Kyle Hamilton, getting knocked out, getting back up,
and then going out there and trying to.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Cover receiver in a couple of plays where it's just.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Like if he goes to the AFC North, he doesn't
survive a season where to me, they have Miles Garrett
and they could get Carter.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Why'd you just do it?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
You're in a division Joe Burrow, This feels like such
a Browns pick taking Travis Hunter here, and it's like,
you know, we all get sucked into the moment.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
But he's a big twelve player, wide receiver and cornerback,
and now he's gonna be the number two pick. I
would love to hear your view, one of the Browns.
Why not just take car order, play it safe. They're
going for a really like we say, a unicorn. What
is what? What do you think he needs to do
to prove to be a number two pick? What is
his upside? Wide receiver and cornerback?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
What if I told.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
You you're you're gonna be able and the number two
pick in this draft to draft show Hey Atani?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Okay, but my point is.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
This, like show Hey is a freak genetically, This kid
is a freak. I have seen the date, but a
freak genetically too.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, I agree, I listen.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
I only say that for Devil's advocate, right, because because
these are the conversations that are going on, it's not
a stamina thing like we can erase that. Because the
two questions of playing both sides in the NFL, which
has never been done before. I don't want to hear
their Champ Bailey stuff. I don't want to hear the
Charles Woods and stuff. They had like a combined six
or seven catches in there.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Howard's been thrown out.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
There doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Dion Prime coach Prime was was the closest thing too,
and he still only had like sixty career catches in
that long NFL career. Yes, the return game, No one's
done this. The durability part, I'm with you. It becomes
a load management thing now talking to coaches and talking
to people in the league. Early on in the process,
the simple thinking was, like, there's ten other guys on
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the defensive side you got to communicate with, like if
we're playing Cover one or Cover two, or Cover three
or quarters or Cover six, Like, we can't have this
guy only come into like half the meetings and not
understanding what we're trying to do conceptually.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And I get that part.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
But then as we've gotten closer to the draft, and
I think as general managers have gotten involved in offensive
coaches have gotten involved, like, ye, what are you gonna do.
You're gonna draft this guy and you're not gonna give
give him to me as a full time offensive player.
You're not gonna allow him to be a weapon he's
got the best ball skills of a receiver I I
can think of in the last decade. And that's when
no one talks about like it. It starts with he's
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gonna catch everything in his area, and then the after
the catch stuff and the explosiveness.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
So people up into Chad Johnson. Do you like that
comp I see Garrett.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, I don't mind it. Garrett Wilson, I see a
lot of too. You think about Garrett.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I don't want to say it just prop but like
when things were going well just just two years ago,
like Garrett Wilson was one of the stars in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I think that's what he can be on offense.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Now, how do you how do you then overcome the
Maybe he's not in every meeting, but maybe we just
do things differently in the league. Maybe he can be
in both meetings. Maybe we figure out the schedule where
he can do both. Maybe we figure out how to
not flood him and we can use him in sub
packages and red zone and and yes, he's.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Not gonna be your every downlead.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
He's not gonna be like Christian Gonzalez was with the Patriots,
step in shut down quarterall. But maybe he can provide that, Like,
it took the Jets two picks to get Garrett Wilson
and saw Yeah Nanke, So it took two picks, you're
not gonna get quite that, But could you imagine with
one pick to get somewhere close to that kind of
impact that they had for the first year rookies for
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the Jets.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You're in the No, it's a done deal. Travis Hunter
at too.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I don't want to say it's a done deal because in.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
The oldest show, people can bet on this. So either right,
I understand that it's a good number.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Yeah, I get that, but I would I wouldn't do
anything but bet on Travis Hunter the Okay, the only
reason for reservation is the Browns, like Andrew Berry's notorious
in circles for misleading people.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
So like, there's plenty of other bets.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
I've looked, I've been on fan duel, I've been running,
you know, I'm looking around. My friends are calling and texting,
and there's plenty of other bets where the odds are better.
But if you're just looking like you feel really good
about getting the money, I would take that. I would
take Carter at what's Carter like minus three hundred now.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I said last week, I was like taking it.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's not gonna get better than minus two hundred for
number three with the Giants.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I still would take that there.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, I'm just hoping the owner of Cleveland talks to
another homeless guy in the way of the stadium before
the draft and make some draft pick that way. This
draft is really fun because of the quarterback position, like
as this is a betting show right now. The over
two and a half quarterbacks in the first round. It's
up to minus you know, four fifty, right, so people
are hammering that because you know, mil Row now getting
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a ton of steam.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
People are really talking about him.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
That team, you know, the Browns, if they do take
like you said, Travis Hunter, they're a team that picked
thirty three then moving back in the first round.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Taking this kid makes sense. You know we've all heard
Dart with the Saints.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
I'm gonna cut you off. I'm sorry, but I love
this stuff. Let's just bounce back. I've got a bunch
of things on my mind because I was looking through
FanDuel yesterday, so I get it.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
It's now.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
It was like minus three something yesterday, so you're saying
it's mine four fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it's moving.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So if you have the money in the bank, just
go put it down, because I can't see a scenario
in which three don't come off the board. Now, if
you told me it was the over under was three
and a half, I'd lean under.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
But I think the Saints sitting there at forty, even
if even if you get to pick like twenty three,
twenty four, twenty five, and all of a sudden there's
only two quarterbacks off of the Bots, say shau d
Door fell to twenty one or team moved up to
get because of the concept that the Browns are at
thirty three. And this is why I've never seen I've
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been doing this twenty five years. I have never seen
four quarterbacks travel the country or organizations fire up their
private jet and travel all around the country to work
out like the are the arms are tired of Jackson Dart,
Shador Sanders, Jalen Milroe, and Tyler Schuck so and the
reason they're tired is these teams are trying to figure
out picking it thirty three, thirty four, the Saints at forty.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Then you got to remember, too, there's the Raiders sitting
there early in the.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Second round, the Jets may have their eye on a
Jackson Dart, So like there's enough concern that, Okay, we
just flew all around the country. We just worked out
these guys. The last thing we did in the scouting
process is with these quarterbacks. I love this guy. So
you're gonna just sit there and hope that that guy's
waiting for you overnight coming into Friday. I just don't
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see it happening. So yeah, it's gonna cost you a
lot of money, but I can't imagine a scenario in
which we don't have three quarterbacks in the first round.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
How often do you, as an expert who goes to
a lot of the events where there are private workouts
and group workouts and you know, senior days, et cetera,
et cetera, but also watch it as any imenordtant amount
of film on all these guys, do you change your
mind after the season, after having seen all this tape
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and all this development, Because my feeling is that there
is a little bit of forgetting what people have seen
on tape and falling in love with what they see
in real life in these private workouts that are not
the same as a game, and it becomes a little
bit of recency bias.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Yeah, there's just so much nuance with the quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I think people have gotten to see the combine workouts
and the pro day workouts, and they're staged for them.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I mean, the combine isn't stage, but it's the same throws.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
It's you know, trying to time it out with these
receivers so you're not trying to throw anticipation.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
The difference with this is you bring.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Your offensive coordinator, you bring your quarterback coach.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You also bring your owner.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
You have dinner within the night for And yes, there's
part of it where sometimes too much emphasis can go.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Like I just love this guy, I want to work
with him the human being.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
I get that part, But there's also like the install
process and testing their mind and how like. So much
of this position, which is different than most than all
the other positions in terms of the level that you
need to have, is the recall thinking on the fly,
how quickly you process. And it's not perfect, you know,
it's not apples to apples to a game situation, but
you can test them and I think that's that's the part.
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When you're doing these private workouts, it's just as much
about the brain and the timing of the operation as
it is He's got a strong arm, stronger than I
thought on tape. You know, like that part gets overrated
because it's what the public gets to see versus what
the public does. I've never been to a private workout,
you know, like scouts haven't been to the private workouts.
It's the it's the GM, the head coach, the offensive coordinator,
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and they're very very very much tailored to what they're
looking for.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
In your opinion right now, who is the safest draft
prospect this year?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
That word is tough.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean highest floor. How about highest floor, highest.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Floors, Tyler Warren. There's there's no real durability concern.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
You can say, here's the thing, if you can wash
out if he stays healthy, because you can say that
for every prospect, but there's greater.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Risk with certain ones than we all know.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I don't know that his ceiling is necessarily as high
as some of the other guys that will get drafted
right near him or after him. I think Colston Lovelin
has a chance to maybe have a bigger yards per catch,
and and I don't want to say, catch more passes,
but but yeah, but more explosive and and create bigger
opportunities in the past game because he's a little bit
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more sudden, twitchy, best route runner of the tight ends.
But I just don't see a scenario in which Warren,
a healthy Warren, fails like I like for downs. Man,
this guy's a first down machine, whether it's you know,
eight nine yards and just turn around and grind out
the last two or three, or if it's a three
yard little screen to him or just a quick, you know,
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quick hook.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
To him and then he just he's able to run
after the catch.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I'm not saying he's Gronk, but he's like the closest
thing we've seen in a while since Gronk.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I think he's gonna be that kind of player.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Now, someone that's followed you from a long time, just
because like I bet big money in the draft. Always
have always like to find edges, and you do move
markets because people trust your opinion. I mean, you know,
you know you've been around a long time. You did
say today briefly, GENTI Patriots. I would love to know
more about that, because that moved the market, like you
(24:46):
don't even realize that it moved the market, that people
are like, oh my god, judge me and top five pick,
and if that does happen, that's crazy about Again, you know,
it's probably not gonna happen. It's more likely they're gonna
go Will Campbell or who knows the draft falls. But
I just thought that was interesting that. But you know,
this is a guy that started out at outside top ten.
Now everyone's getting in love to the Raiders. Now you
(25:06):
mentioned the Patriots. Is that is that something that's like
real or is that just they're enamored with the athlete
that he is.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Here's the interesting part of the conversations I have. I'm
never calling Mike Vrabel and like, Michael, you're taking right.
So it's always another GM or a personnel director who
I talked because everyone's talking to everyone now in league circles,
and the conversation is never, never with anyone, even like
(25:34):
Joe Douglas I played college football with, We've family friends,
all that, Like never once one time ever, never would
It's like absurd, be like Joe, who are you taking
with that pick?
Speaker 5 (25:44):
You know, like it's just not how this thing goes.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
So it's a lot of information, like hey, someone who's
a little lower ranking maybe say like, hey, there is
there is discussion in the building, like gent than genty
still on and sometimes those people aren't in that final
like two or three human beings that are in the room.
There's a board that's set for the whole staff, right,
and then there's the real board, and that's most organizations.
(26:09):
So it's sometimes a little leak will come out like
don't close the book, Like I get the call it
don't close the book on Shador. I'm not sure what's
going on, but they're still having discussions and Giants' facilities
something about Shador. Don't know if that means later or
so that's what's going on now. The Jind thing's interesting
(26:31):
because I haven't talked to a person in the league
that doesn't have him in the top five in terms
of grades, and the vast majority of people I talk
to have him at three. They think he's the third
best player in this draft, just behind Hunter and Carter okay,
but ahead of Mason Graham and Tyler Warren and Jalen
Walker and those guys.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Okay. So I can see how as.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
You get closer you're like, I don't know, he's so special,
he's got a chance to be diff But then I
look at the Patriots situation.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I'm like, yes, Saquon is awesome with the Eagles, but
what was he with the Giants when they couldn't you
know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
So I think that's a lot of the discussion going on.
I've just heard a couple nuggets that make me I'm
not to the point, Like I got Felika calling me
the bear all the time and we're going back and forth,
and Stanford Steve, my longtime buddy, all by degenerate friends
up here in Boston, Like I spend more time on
this stuff than I should, but I love it because
it's fun and like trying to figure out all the
(27:29):
maize and the puzzle.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
But it's one of those like if the line's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Maybe you put a dollar on it, Like maybe you
put a couple dollars versus putting one hundred dollars or
a thousand, you know, but it's worth like who knows.
Maybe I just am getting the sense whether it's New
England at four, Jaguars at five, there's a little bit
more buzz than I expected to hear at this point
in time.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I wish I'm totally changing course here, but I was
shocked yesterday when I looked. And again I'm not saying
it's like a guarantee or I have solid information and
go with this race in now before the line changes,
but I was.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Really interested to see Warren is plus seven hundred to
the Jets, like you might wanna yeah, right there, I
see you at the pen.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You might want to write that one, by the way,
not a pen. He's betting it at yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Down a plus three hundred.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
I tweeted that out yet last night and the gent
d I bet it when you when you talked about
he was twenty to one. It's down to sixteen to
one him to go to the Patriots. So sometimes I'm
telling you move markets.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
It's the only thing in the It's the only time
in anything in my entire life, including like day to
day chores, that anyone listens to me.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
So we'll go with it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's so funny, Todd.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
We had Felikhan a few weeks ago, we had Stanford
on a few weeks before that. Everybody's talking to the
same fucking people. We're all talking and texting with each other,
it's it's freaking hilarious.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
I do want owes me, Felika owes me like a
vacation at some point after the last three years.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I'm just going to say that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, I'll let him know. I'm going to text him
at his clip right now. Yeah, please he can, you know,
put it in his todd makeshae fund.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
How do you think he's the best? I mean I
owe him more than he owes me, let's put it
that way.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But yeah, how do you figure out all these smoke
signals from all these gms? And they know not only
that you're calling and getting information from them, but they
will potentially be trying to use you as a conduit
to get information, but also they might say something to
you that you could be sharing with somebody else in
a sort of informal way. How do you know what
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to use for real in a mock versus what's someone
trying to.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Throw you off?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The scent.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
You get to I've been burned before, but I haven't
been totally burned in a while. And I was burned
before because I was young and still developing relationships. And
it's like any business, you learn who you can trust,
and you learn who you and you develop relationships, and again,
no one say we're definitely even if even when I've
had conversations when it's kind of narrowed down and it's
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never directly.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Said, we're either gonna take this guy or this guy.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
But you when you get down with forty five minutes
on the phone with the decision maker of an organization,
you get a sense just as you're going through boards
and having discussions. And honestly, it's never it's rarely the answer.
It's usually the question that's asked of me that tips
me off. Oh they're they're thinking this there. Why is
(30:33):
he asking me about this player? Why is he asking
me about this team that picks three spots ahead?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
That's where you just get a sense, and it's like
this little dance that goes on.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
But here's the other part too.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Gms don't know they know who they want, they know
how their board is, but they don't know what's coming
to them, you know. So there's no I won one time.
I think with Barstool, I went on right and I'll
never forget I did this. We're going back and forth
and then they were talking, they were just you know,
being it was a parton might take us and and
they're like, let's do a contest where if anyone could
(31:09):
ever what would you put up if someone could get
a perfect mock draft. I said, I'll put up a
million dollars right now, I'll put up a million dollars
right like, it is literally impossible that if you if
you got all thirty two gms in a room and
they did a mock draft and they shared information, it
still would be different. And so then the next day
I go into a production meeting before the draft and
I've got one of my one of the executives the ESPN.
(31:32):
You're always causing problems like now we've got now we've
got we've got legal contacting me, like do we need
to get to take out insurans.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I'm like no, stop stop.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
It was a joke, But my point was there's no
way to know definitively because one trade, one team picks
something that you don't expect, and it throws everything off.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
But I do like the numbers where it's like how
many of these position in the first round, or if
you're looking at a team and the numbers ridiculous, like
even the Bears, I think it was like plus three
thirty yesterday for a tight end. I think those two
tight ends could go Jets, Bears, Warren Lovelin in that order.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I really do. And I think you could get pretty
good money on that.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right, before we let you get out of here, Simon,
what's the last question?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta get my bias, and as an
Eagles fan locally, I'm hearing from guys I respect that
Eagles are basically dead set on a tight end and
the fact of Dallas got her, you know, last year
of his deal.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's above the age of thirty. Guy has hard tough
time stay in the field.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Is it a guarantee that they trade down and take
one or trade up again these tight ends? Do you
think that this is a deep enough class that.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You wouldn't touch that market?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Just you don't know what how he was going to
do at that end of the pick, So it's not
worth betting on them taking a tight end there.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yeah, I said Mason Taylor to them a few weeks ago,
and it's just kind of like a keep an eye
on this, and I feel like that's starting to grow,
that that concept, and I do think it's something.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
How we would do.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
I don't see him moving up for Mason Taylor. If
one of these defensive linemen start to fall, and I
mean you've got seven.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Guys at the edge position.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
If one of them starts to fall, you've got like
five guys at the interior defensive line. I could see
maybe up two three spots something like that. I think
he's more likely to move back out of that spot
if he's looking at it, he's like, wait, there's there's
still a quarterback or two. I've got the I've got
the Browns, the Giants sitting there. There's there's two interior
(33:33):
defensive linemen and Mason Taylor. I can probably move back three, four,
five spots and still get that same player and pick
up a third round or what a third fourth rounder.
So I can envision that I do like Mason Taylor there.
It makes a lot of sense. It's a highw wee guy.
But they also you know, you got Malachi Starks and
(33:54):
nick Emon Worrie. Safety is a position they could address
interior and the addresser we know, no, even if they
don't have a need, they could go there.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And this class is loaded.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
So once again, even if you just stay home at
thirty two, which how he's pretty.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Incapable of doing if anyone who knows him.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
But if they stay home at that spot, someone's going
to fall to them there, and so that'll.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Be interesting to say.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
All right, Tom mcshaye.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
If there were a Hall of Fame for NFL Draft analysts,
Tom McShay would be in the inaugural class.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
That is why you're too much.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
We must subscribe to his newsletter, The micshaye Report. Catch
the NFL Draft YouTube live stream on Thursday next Thursday
on The McShay Show. Todd, excellent work as always, Good.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Luck, This is fun guys.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
We'll have to revisit and hopefully hopefully we made some
money and didn't lose anyone money today.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well listen, Felika's got to buy a new house, so
let's hope it works out for it.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Take care, guys, Thank you, all right, thanks Todd.
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I am Chad Milman of the Action Network. Today I'm
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hello chat.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think I have a fun fact for you today
that you're gonna love. A couple of episodes ago, you
called me out for my Irish goodbye at our party
and if people have ever wondered, what do they call
it in England, because they don't call an Irish goodbye
obviously in England they call it a backdoor boogie. Really,
just love the idea of someone turned into their mate
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saying yeah, I'm about the back door boogie and then
just leave no such thing as an Irish goodbye.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Did you get that from your mommy?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
No, just some British listeners, a diehard fan of ours,
my cousin, No way.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, So I thought that was really clever.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Here's what I loved about that event. By the way,
So we were there and I think I told this story.
Did I tell the story about the kid I met
from Indiana who had played soccer there, but he grew
up in Liverpool and I told him that you were
from northern England as well. And when I told him
where you were from, he looked at me as like, man,
(01:29):
that is hardcore. It's rough, old school England right there.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah, I told you.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Anytime I do go, especially because I'm a big guy,
like I'm tall and overweight, which is very American, I
stick out like you wouldn't believe it. Like everyone could
just tell I'm American immediately.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
When I'm walking around down there.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So yeah, always fun going back home.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Here's a fun fact if we're going to go into
fun facts. So you know, I'm working on this book
and so a lot of my days right now are
spent and doing so much research. Like if you could
see outside the camera frame, my desk is piled piled
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with books about gambling history, including David Schwartz Roll the
Bones that we had on earlier in the year, and
as well as newspaper articles, old photos. I told you
I met with the grandson of the guy who invented
the point spread, another very famous old school bookie who
(02:33):
was a bookmaker with the Mob in the nineteen thirties
and forties. His son sent me piles of newspapers and
of clippings and piles of old photos, and like this morning,
I was looking at a.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Photo of this dude with three.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
World famous jockeys from the nineteen thirties and forties at
a club in Havana, Cuba.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Like real old school stuff, right.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But one of the facts I read the other day,
do you know why it's called handicapping? Do you know
why everything we do is called handicapping?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I always figured it was if you were wrong, they
take your knee. No, the handicap, Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's in the eighteen seventies, the guy who ran like
the Jockey Club of England, who was a royal admiral
who probably had a name of Sir something or other.
Everyone who loved horse racing in England, as you know,
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as we all know, and they were trying to find
ways to make the races more even because there would
be horses who were really fast and horses that were
really slow, and they didn't have odds yet, and so
they were trying to figure out how to make it
better for betters. So they would add weights to the
fast horses to give them a handicap, and that is
(04:00):
how it's called handicapping.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
That's insane, isn't that great?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, so that's funny. And then that and then golf
took it. That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, Betty has added to the vernacular of sports in
so many freaking ways that I am I've always known,
but I'm like unpacking and so many other facets as
I go through this research. It's it's super fun. I
can't wait to come to South Jersey and sit with
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you everything.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I've learned so far.
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Looking forward to it.
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Brother, about this history.
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You know what else I'm looking forward to. We got
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It was a hell of an intro. I appreciate it, Chad.
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So thanks for having me, Thanks for putting me in
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Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I know you've thought a lot about it. I know
you worked hard on it. I'm super psyched for you.
I'm glad it's working out. I don't want to waste
your time. You got like a week before the draft.
Every second is precious. You put out a new mock draft,
very bold move, predicting a trade involving the Browns. You
mocked the brown selecting Travis Hunter at number two and
(07:16):
trading up with Atlanta to take Shador Sanders. Do you
feel more or less confident about this prediction today? Do
you feel confident about getting Sanders landing position correct? Being
the pivot point of this year's mock process.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
I would say I feel as are more confident that
Shador Sanders is not going to go in the first
nine picks, which is saying a lot because I think
a lot of people, including myself early on, thought that
the Giants that was a possibility at three, right, I
got off of that pretty quickly, and that I think
(07:55):
everyone still to this day is saying, well, the Saints
make a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
He doesn't have the big arm.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
You can play a dome, that division is good weather.
Kellen Moore, I look at it this way, and I've
got sources as well, but my initial reaction to that
was Kellen. Quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators and offensive minded
coaches they get used to and they kind of structure
(08:20):
what they want to do around what they've worked with
and what's been successful. He's been successful as an offensive
coordinator in three different places, right. It's been with Dak
Prescott in Dallas, It's been with Justin Herbert Los Angeles,
and it's been with Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
That's not Shador man, That's just you.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Know, Shador would fit with Cleveland and the reason why
I had Cleveland trading up. And we'll get to that
in a second. Like Kevin Stefanski is one with that
kind of guy. He won like ten eleven games with
guys who didn't have big time arms, including most recently
Kirk Cousins. You know, not the biggest, not the strongest arm,
not the most mobile. But so what makes them successful.
It's fast processing, very you're throwing the ball around the field.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
So I like.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Cleveland and Shadoor as a marriage in terms of what
the coach is used to and what the coach has
had success with at the quarterback position. But as we
get closer to the draft, I think Jackson Dart is
the Saints, the guy the Saints want, and it's because
of those things I just mentioned. Jackson Dart is a sturdy, mobile,
stronger arm quarterback. Right, I don't think a quarterback's going
(09:25):
to go in the top nine. Now, the Derek Carr
situation with the shoulder curious timing.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
That may speed up the process for the Saints.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
But Mickey loomis the GM there has a track record
of targeting a player he wants and giving up whatever he.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Has to get give up to go get him.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
So I envision a scenario in which we're looking at
this and now all of a sudden Shador Sanders and
Jackson Dart are still available at ten, and now the
clock is ticking, and I think everyone in the league
is well aware of Mike Tomlin and his affection for
Shador Sanders and would like to get a at twenty one,
but they don't have a second round pick, and I
don't know they're willing to give up more draft capital
(10:04):
to go up and get Shador. And we'll find out
what happens with Aaron Rodgers. So I think everyone in
the league that has interested in those two quarterbacks is
looking in saying A twenty one. We've got to get
ahead of that, but we can wait it out, and
we don't want to move in the top ten and
give away next year's first round pick.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
So if it's the Giants or the Browns.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
I think I think somewhere in that ten to twenty
range would be the area they would move up. And
I went with Atlanta because Atlanta has the second fewest
picks in the.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Entire draft with five. But we'll see how it all
plays out.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
I could see Shador going somewhere in that ten to
twenty range.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Team moving up.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Starting to feel like it might be the Giants more
so but we'll see how that plays out. And then
I could see Jackson Dart a team trading up with
Minnesota Minnesota only has four picks in the entire draft
and trying to get up ahead of Cleveland or the Giants,
who ever sitting there thirty three, thirty four, and I
think New Orleans could be that team to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A So I have two quick file ups.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I know Simon wants to jump in with a very
important quarterback question Number one. I just want to clarify
either I misheard you or you just said you don't
think any quarterbacks will go in the top nine.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, no, no, no, no, okay, I mispoke.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
If I said that camboard's going number one, you can
you can write that down.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Got its sharpie? Yes, So I've meant the other any
of the other quarterbacks, got it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Number two?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
If you're the Browns and you've got the second pick.
We had this conversation Simon and I the other day
with one of our.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Guests, why wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You go for Shador Sanders there? If what you need
the most is a quarterback and Travis Hunter, you could
be reaching for a cornerback at number two or reaching
for a guy who is a dynamic athlete but maybe
not a brilliant receiver. Yet at number two.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Travis Hunter is brilliant Okay, at wide receiver and at cornerback.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You can't pass on that. I actually I looked this
up this Morning'm pulling up my phone.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I've heard a lot of people say with the Giants
and the Browns, you know the possibility of like the
cake and eat it too scenario like Nick Cassario did
recently where he took CJ at two and moved up
to get Will Anderson. Different circumstances. In my opinion, I
think this scenario could play out more like we've seen
in the past. Lamar Jackson would be like the glass
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half full scenario where the Browns took their tight end
early in the first round, thought the night was over.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
All of a sudden, Lamar is sitting there.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
They get an opportunity, they traded into thirty two, and
they take Lamar Jackson there. But I want to remind people,
and this is what I looked up. This is why
I'm looking down at my phone here.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, good research.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Johnny Manzell Browns took him at twenty At twenty two,
overall in twenty fourteen after they took Justin Gilbert at eight.
Brandon Weedon the Browns are three.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
The four examples here.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Brandon Weedon also at twenty two in twenty twelve after
they took Trent Richardson at number three, Brady Quinn also
at number twenty two, two for the Browns in two
thousand and seven after they took Joe Thomas at three,
the Ravens Kyle Boehler at nineteen in two thousand and
three after they took Terrell Suggs. So I say all that,
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if you don't have a grade that's equivalent to one
of those picks you have to take, you have to take.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
A These are premium positions.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Corner wide receiver. He could solve problems on both sides
of the ball and be an instant impact player on
the offensive side. Travis Hunter could be for the Browns.
That's what they expect. Abdul Carter best pass rusher, premium position,
premium pick at number three. And then yeah, you try
to move back up and go get your guy, but
history tells us more often than not when you don't
have the grade where you're like, absolutely, we're picking I
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mean they have massive needs for the future of these organizations.
If they loved Shador Sanders enough, this would.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Be a moot point. The information would be leaking out everywhere.
They don't.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
So you don't reach for a quarterback and pass up
on a future Joe Thomas or Terrell sucks.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You've sufficiently put me in my place. Go ahead, some.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Just really quick.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I would love to know the view though on Travis
Hunter of what is what is his ceiling? So like
in your mind you're taking him here at number two,
you need him to be what a top twenty five receiver,
a top twenty five corner because people like me, who
are just huge NFL fans, I just don't.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Know how it works.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Like I'm trying to wrap my head around him going
up against Kyle Hamilton, getting knocked out, getting back up,
and then going out there and trying to.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Cover receiver in a couple of plays where it's just.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Like if he goes to the AFC North, he doesn't
survive a season where to me, they have Miles Garrett
and they could get Carter.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Why'd you just do it?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
You're in a division Joe Burrow, This feels like such
a Browns pick taking Travis Hunter here, and it's like,
you know, we all get sucked into the moment.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
But he's a big twelve player, wide receiver and cornerback,
and now he's gonna be the number two pick. I
would love to hear your view, one of the Browns.
Why not just take car order, play it safe. They're
going for a really like we say, a unicorn. What
is what? What do you think he needs to do
to prove to be a number two pick? What is
his upside? Wide receiver and cornerback?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
What if I told.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
You you're you're gonna be able and the number two
pick in this draft to draft show Hey Atani?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Okay, but my point is.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
This, like show Hey is a freak genetically, This kid
is a freak. I have seen the date, but a
freak genetically too.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, I agree, I listen.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
I only say that for Devil's advocate, right, because because
these are the conversations that are going on, it's not
a stamina thing like we can erase that. Because the
two questions of playing both sides in the NFL, which
has never been done before. I don't want to hear
their Champ Bailey stuff. I don't want to hear the
Charles Woods and stuff. They had like a combined six
or seven catches in there.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Howard's been thrown out.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
There doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Dion Prime coach Prime was was the closest thing too,
and he still only had like sixty career catches in
that long NFL career. Yes, the return game, No one's
done this. The durability part, I'm with you. It becomes
a load management thing now talking to coaches and talking
to people in the league. Early on in the process,
the simple thinking was, like, there's ten other guys on
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the defensive side you got to communicate with, like if
we're playing Cover one or Cover two, or Cover three
or quarters or Cover six, Like, we can't have this
guy only come into like half the meetings and not
understanding what we're trying to do conceptually.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And I get that part.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
But then as we've gotten closer to the draft, and
I think as general managers have gotten involved in offensive
coaches have gotten involved, like, ye, what are you gonna do.
You're gonna draft this guy and you're not gonna give
give him to me as a full time offensive player.
You're not gonna allow him to be a weapon he's
got the best ball skills of a receiver I I
can think of in the last decade. And that's when
no one talks about like it. It starts with he's
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gonna catch everything in his area, and then the after
the catch stuff and the explosiveness.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
So people up into Chad Johnson. Do you like that
comp I see Garrett.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, I don't mind it. Garrett Wilson, I see a
lot of too. You think about Garrett.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I don't want to say it just prop but like
when things were going well just just two years ago,
like Garrett Wilson was one of the stars in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I think that's what he can be on offense.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Now, how do you how do you then overcome the
Maybe he's not in every meeting, but maybe we just
do things differently in the league. Maybe he can be
in both meetings. Maybe we figure out the schedule where
he can do both. Maybe we figure out how to
not flood him and we can use him in sub
packages and red zone and and yes, he's.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Not gonna be your every downlead.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
He's not gonna be like Christian Gonzalez was with the Patriots,
step in shut down quarterall. But maybe he can provide that, Like,
it took the Jets two picks to get Garrett Wilson
and saw Yeah Nanke, So it took two picks, you're
not gonna get quite that, But could you imagine with
one pick to get somewhere close to that kind of
impact that they had for the first year rookies for
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the Jets.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You're in the No, it's a done deal. Travis Hunter
at too.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I don't want to say it's a done deal because in.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
The oldest show, people can bet on this. So either right,
I understand that it's a good number.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Yeah, I get that, but I would I wouldn't do
anything but bet on Travis Hunter the Okay, the only
reason for reservation is the Browns, like Andrew Berry's notorious
in circles for misleading people.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
So like, there's plenty of other bets.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
I've looked, I've been on fan duel, I've been running,
you know, I'm looking around. My friends are calling and texting,
and there's plenty of other bets where the odds are better.
But if you're just looking like you feel really good
about getting the money, I would take that. I would
take Carter at what's Carter like minus three hundred now.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I said last week, I was like taking it.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's not gonna get better than minus two hundred for
number three with the Giants.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I still would take that there.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, I'm just hoping the owner of Cleveland talks to
another homeless guy in the way of the stadium before
the draft and make some draft pick that way. This
draft is really fun because of the quarterback position, like
as this is a betting show right now. The over
two and a half quarterbacks in the first round. It's
up to minus you know, four fifty, right, so people
are hammering that because you know, mil Row now getting
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a ton of steam.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
People are really talking about him.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
That team, you know, the Browns, if they do take
like you said, Travis Hunter, they're a team that picked
thirty three then moving back in the first round.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Taking this kid makes sense. You know we've all heard
Dart with the Saints.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
I'm gonna cut you off. I'm sorry, but I love
this stuff. Let's just bounce back. I've got a bunch
of things on my mind because I was looking through
FanDuel yesterday, so I get it.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
It's now.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
It was like minus three something yesterday, so you're saying
it's mine four fifty.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it's moving.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So if you have the money in the bank, just
go put it down, because I can't see a scenario
in which three don't come off the board. Now, if
you told me it was the over under was three
and a half, I'd lean under.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
But I think the Saints sitting there at forty, even
if even if you get to pick like twenty three,
twenty four, twenty five, and all of a sudden there's
only two quarterbacks off of the Bots, say shau d
Door fell to twenty one or team moved up to
get because of the concept that the Browns are at
thirty three. And this is why I've never seen I've
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been doing this twenty five years. I have never seen
four quarterbacks travel the country or organizations fire up their
private jet and travel all around the country to work
out like the are the arms are tired of Jackson Dart,
Shador Sanders, Jalen Milroe, and Tyler Schuck so and the
reason they're tired is these teams are trying to figure
out picking it thirty three, thirty four, the Saints at forty.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Then you got to remember, too, there's the Raiders sitting
there early in the.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Second round, the Jets may have their eye on a
Jackson Dart, So like there's enough concern that, Okay, we
just flew all around the country. We just worked out
these guys. The last thing we did in the scouting
process is with these quarterbacks. I love this guy. So
you're gonna just sit there and hope that that guy's
waiting for you overnight coming into Friday. I just don't
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see it happening. So yeah, it's gonna cost you a
lot of money, but I can't imagine a scenario in
which we don't have three quarterbacks in the first round.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
How often do you, as an expert who goes to
a lot of the events where there are private workouts
and group workouts and you know, senior days, et cetera,
et cetera, but also watch it as any imenordtant amount
of film on all these guys, do you change your
mind after the season, after having seen all this tape
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and all this development, Because my feeling is that there
is a little bit of forgetting what people have seen
on tape and falling in love with what they see
in real life in these private workouts that are not
the same as a game, and it becomes a little
bit of recency bias.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Yeah, there's just so much nuance with the quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I think people have gotten to see the combine workouts
and the pro day workouts, and they're staged for them.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I mean, the combine isn't stage, but it's the same throws.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
It's you know, trying to time it out with these
receivers so you're not trying to throw anticipation.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
The difference with this is you bring.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Your offensive coordinator, you bring your quarterback coach.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You also bring your owner.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
You have dinner within the night for And yes, there's
part of it where sometimes too much emphasis can go.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Like I just love this guy, I want to work
with him the human being.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
I get that part, But there's also like the install
process and testing their mind and how like. So much
of this position, which is different than most than all
the other positions in terms of the level that you
need to have, is the recall thinking on the fly,
how quickly you process. And it's not perfect, you know,
it's not apples to apples to a game situation, but
you can test them and I think that's that's the part.
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When you're doing these private workouts, it's just as much
about the brain and the timing of the operation as
it is He's got a strong arm, stronger than I
thought on tape. You know, like that part gets overrated
because it's what the public gets to see versus what
the public does. I've never been to a private workout,
you know, like scouts haven't been to the private workouts.
It's the it's the GM, the head coach, the offensive coordinator,
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and they're very very very much tailored to what they're
looking for.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
In your opinion right now, who is the safest draft
prospect this year?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
That word is tough.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean highest floor. How about highest floor, highest.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Floors, Tyler Warren. There's there's no real durability concern.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
You can say, here's the thing, if you can wash
out if he stays healthy, because you can say that
for every prospect, but there's greater.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Risk with certain ones than we all know.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I don't know that his ceiling is necessarily as high
as some of the other guys that will get drafted
right near him or after him. I think Colston Lovelin
has a chance to maybe have a bigger yards per catch,
and and I don't want to say, catch more passes,
but but yeah, but more explosive and and create bigger
opportunities in the past game because he's a little bit
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more sudden, twitchy, best route runner of the tight ends.
But I just don't see a scenario in which Warren,
a healthy Warren, fails like I like for downs. Man,
this guy's a first down machine, whether it's you know,
eight nine yards and just turn around and grind out
the last two or three, or if it's a three
yard little screen to him or just a quick, you know,
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quick hook.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
To him and then he just he's able to run
after the catch.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I'm not saying he's Gronk, but he's like the closest
thing we've seen in a while since Gronk.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I think he's gonna be that kind of player.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Now, someone that's followed you from a long time, just
because like I bet big money in the draft. Always
have always like to find edges, and you do move
markets because people trust your opinion. I mean, you know,
you know you've been around a long time. You did
say today briefly, GENTI Patriots. I would love to know
more about that, because that moved the market, like you
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don't even realize that it moved the market, that people
are like, oh my god, judge me and top five pick,
and if that does happen, that's crazy about Again, you know,
it's probably not gonna happen. It's more likely they're gonna
go Will Campbell or who knows the draft falls. But
I just thought that was interesting that. But you know,
this is a guy that started out at outside top ten.
Now everyone's getting in love to the Raiders. Now you
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mentioned the Patriots. Is that is that something that's like
real or is that just they're enamored with the athlete
that he is.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Here's the interesting part of the conversations I have. I'm
never calling Mike Vrabel and like, Michael, you're taking right.
So it's always another GM or a personnel director who
I talked because everyone's talking to everyone now in league circles,
and the conversation is never, never with anyone, even like
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Joe Douglas I played college football with, We've family friends,
all that, Like never once one time ever, never would
It's like absurd, be like Joe, who are you taking
with that pick?
Speaker 5 (25:44):
You know, like it's just not how this thing goes.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
So it's a lot of information, like hey, someone who's
a little lower ranking maybe say like, hey, there is
there is discussion in the building, like gent than genty
still on and sometimes those people aren't in that final
like two or three human beings that are in the room.
There's a board that's set for the whole staff, right,
and then there's the real board, and that's most organizations.
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So it's sometimes a little leak will come out like
don't close the book, Like I get the call it
don't close the book on Shador. I'm not sure what's
going on, but they're still having discussions and Giants' facilities
something about Shador. Don't know if that means later or
so that's what's going on now. The Jind thing's interesting
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because I haven't talked to a person in the league
that doesn't have him in the top five in terms
of grades, and the vast majority of people I talk
to have him at three. They think he's the third
best player in this draft, just behind Hunter and Carter okay,
but ahead of Mason Graham and Tyler Warren and Jalen
Walker and those guys.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Okay. So I can see how as.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
You get closer you're like, I don't know, he's so special,
he's got a chance to be diff But then I
look at the Patriots situation.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I'm like, yes, Saquon is awesome with the Eagles, but
what was he with the Giants when they couldn't you
know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
So I think that's a lot of the discussion going on.
I've just heard a couple nuggets that make me I'm
not to the point, Like I got Felika calling me
the bear all the time and we're going back and forth,
and Stanford Steve, my longtime buddy, all by degenerate friends
up here in Boston, Like I spend more time on
this stuff than I should, but I love it because
it's fun and like trying to figure out all the
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maize and the puzzle.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
But it's one of those like if the line's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Maybe you put a dollar on it, Like maybe you
put a couple dollars versus putting one hundred dollars or
a thousand, you know, but it's worth like who knows.
Maybe I just am getting the sense whether it's New
England at four, Jaguars at five, there's a little bit
more buzz than I expected to hear at this point
in time.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I wish I'm totally changing course here, but I was
shocked yesterday when I looked. And again I'm not saying
it's like a guarantee or I have solid information and
go with this race in now before the line changes,
but I was.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Really interested to see Warren is plus seven hundred to
the Jets, like you might wanna yeah, right there, I
see you at the pen.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You might want to write that one, by the way,
not a pen. He's betting it at yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Down a plus three hundred.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
I tweeted that out yet last night and the gent
d I bet it when you when you talked about
he was twenty to one. It's down to sixteen to
one him to go to the Patriots. So sometimes I'm
telling you move markets.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
It's the only thing in the It's the only time
in anything in my entire life, including like day to
day chores, that anyone listens to me.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
So we'll go with it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's so funny, Todd.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
We had Felikhan a few weeks ago, we had Stanford
on a few weeks before that. Everybody's talking to the
same fucking people. We're all talking and texting with each other,
it's it's freaking hilarious.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
I do want owes me, Felika owes me like a
vacation at some point after the last three years.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I'm just going to say that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, I'll let him know. I'm going to text him
at his clip right now. Yeah, please he can, you know,
put it in his todd makeshae fund.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
How do you think he's the best? I mean I
owe him more than he owes me, let's put it
that way.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But yeah, how do you figure out all these smoke
signals from all these gms? And they know not only
that you're calling and getting information from them, but they
will potentially be trying to use you as a conduit
to get information, but also they might say something to
you that you could be sharing with somebody else in
a sort of informal way. How do you know what
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to use for real in a mock versus what's someone
trying to.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Throw you off?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The scent.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
You get to I've been burned before, but I haven't
been totally burned in a while. And I was burned
before because I was young and still developing relationships. And
it's like any business, you learn who you can trust,
and you learn who you and you develop relationships, and again,
no one say we're definitely even if even when I've
had conversations when it's kind of narrowed down and it's
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never directly.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Said, we're either gonna take this guy or this guy.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
But you when you get down with forty five minutes
on the phone with the decision maker of an organization,
you get a sense just as you're going through boards
and having discussions. And honestly, it's never it's rarely the answer.
It's usually the question that's asked of me that tips
me off. Oh they're they're thinking this there. Why is
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he asking me about this player? Why is he asking
me about this team that picks three spots ahead?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
That's where you just get a sense, and it's like
this little dance that goes on.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
But here's the other part too.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Gms don't know they know who they want, they know
how their board is, but they don't know what's coming
to them, you know. So there's no I won one time.
I think with Barstool, I went on right and I'll
never forget I did this. We're going back and forth
and then they were talking, they were just you know,
being it was a parton might take us and and
they're like, let's do a contest where if anyone could
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ever what would you put up if someone could get
a perfect mock draft. I said, I'll put up a
million dollars right now, I'll put up a million dollars
right like, it is literally impossible that if you if
you got all thirty two gms in a room and
they did a mock draft and they shared information, it
still would be different. And so then the next day
I go into a production meeting before the draft and
I've got one of my one of the executives the ESPN.
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You're always causing problems like now we've got now we've
got we've got legal contacting me, like do we need
to get to take out insurans.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I'm like no, stop stop.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
It was a joke, But my point was there's no
way to know definitively because one trade, one team picks
something that you don't expect, and it throws everything off.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
But I do like the numbers where it's like how
many of these position in the first round, or if
you're looking at a team and the numbers ridiculous, like
even the Bears, I think it was like plus three
thirty yesterday for a tight end. I think those two
tight ends could go Jets, Bears, Warren Lovelin in that order.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I really do. And I think you could get pretty
good money on that.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right, before we let you get out of here, Simon,
what's the last question?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta get my bias, and as an
Eagles fan locally, I'm hearing from guys I respect that
Eagles are basically dead set on a tight end and
the fact of Dallas got her, you know, last year
of his deal.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's above the age of thirty. Guy has hard tough
time stay in the field.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Is it a guarantee that they trade down and take
one or trade up again these tight ends? Do you
think that this is a deep enough class that.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You wouldn't touch that market?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Just you don't know what how he was going to
do at that end of the pick, So it's not
worth betting on them taking a tight end there.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yeah, I said Mason Taylor to them a few weeks ago,
and it's just kind of like a keep an eye
on this, and I feel like that's starting to grow,
that that concept, and I do think it's something.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
How we would do.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
I don't see him moving up for Mason Taylor. If
one of these defensive linemen start to fall, and I
mean you've got seven.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Guys at the edge position.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
If one of them starts to fall, you've got like
five guys at the interior defensive line. I could see
maybe up two three spots something like that. I think
he's more likely to move back out of that spot
if he's looking at it, he's like, wait, there's there's
still a quarterback or two. I've got the I've got
the Browns, the Giants sitting there. There's there's two interior
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defensive linemen and Mason Taylor. I can probably move back three, four,
five spots and still get that same player and pick
up a third round or what a third fourth rounder.
So I can envision that I do like Mason Taylor there.
It makes a lot of sense. It's a highw wee guy.
But they also you know, you got Malachi Starks and
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nick Emon Worrie. Safety is a position they could address
interior and the addresser we know, no, even if they
don't have a need, they could go there.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And this class is loaded.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
So once again, even if you just stay home at
thirty two, which how he's pretty.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Incapable of doing if anyone who knows him.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
But if they stay home at that spot, someone's going
to fall to them there, and so that'll.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Be interesting to say.
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Speaker 1 (34:17):
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on The McShay Show. Todd, excellent work as always, Good.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Luck, This is fun guys.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
We'll have to revisit and hopefully hopefully we made some
money and didn't lose anyone money today.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well listen, Felika's got to buy a new house, so
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Speaker 5 (34:52):
Take care, guys, Thank you, all right, thanks Todd.
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