March 19, 2024 • 39 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Chris discuss the narrative that Jayson Tatum has been unfairly criticized for not winning an NBA championship during his career so far and tell us if Caleb Williams would be wise to ‘pull an Eli Manning’ and force another team besides the Chicago Bears to draft him. Plus, former NFL scout and author Daniel Kelly swings by to discuss why he’s so low on Williams as an NFL prospect, why Spencer Rattler is the top quarterback on his draft board and much more! Finally, the Odd Couple Callers bring the heat in this week’s edition of Shop Talk.
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You trashing anybody? Martin?
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Yeah, you know what, I'll give us a stick priview.
I should Rob Parker. I'm trashing Harvard for having Rob
Parker go over there and speak. Harvard's supposed to be
the Michigan of the East. You know what I'm saying,
It's supposed to be a reputable.
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The first time I've heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I'm surprised your daughters theyn't have shirts that say Harvard
Michigan of the East.
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They sullivent at Arbor.
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I mean, you know, Rob Parker should be on down
there at Southern Connecticut State where he got his undergrad
But no, he's out there.
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At Harvard University.
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Graduate Hoe Tels.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
We got Daniel Kelly, former New York Jets scout and
an author. He got some strong opinions man about quarterbacks.
So we'll get into that with him at the bottom
of the hour. But now we're gonna stick with the NBA.
Martin and Lebron James and JJ Reddick have started a
new podcast called Mind for the Game. Obviously you listen
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to JJ Reddick and he's a very intelligent basketball mind
and was a good player. Obviously not great, not an
All Star, but he was a good player. He was
more than like, you know, just a shooter. I mean,
he was mainly a shooter, but he was good enough
to start and.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know, had some nice season. He was a college
all timer. Yeah, college. He was great at Duke. He
was he's a Duke all time great at Duke.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And he's better than the Steve Kurz, the Tim Leglis,
you know what I mean, the Kyle Korvers. Those guys
were just purely spot up shooters, and of course that
was his forte and but he did best and mostly
but he was he was a level above him real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
When I was in high school, JJ Reddick was one
of the players I tried to model my game after,
no kidding.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
When he was at Duke, he was not did you
come so? Was your game shooting? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I could shoot, but really I never got I never
got past sophomore year, JJ, because I couldn't handle the balls.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I could shoot, I could jump, that was about it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's interesting because I bet I don't know how much
time you spend around young players today, but I bet
two things that well, let me say, I bet there
are a lot of guys.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That can handle the rock.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That they you know, they probably practice it more now.
They do let you carry today, so that helps it out.
But I just think today, I bet more so many
young players are focused on a handle and three. And
I tell young players, look, work on your handle, man,
because if you you notice from playing, if you have
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a handle, nobody.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Can mess with you. No, you don't have to worry
about full court pressure.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know you you can get where you want you
on the court, and especially if you're a guard. If
you're a guard and you don't get frazzled by people
really getting up in your grill, defensively because you handle
so well, that's.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
A huge advantage. So young young.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Cats out there are you fathers who are and mothers
who are working with your young boys. Work on the
handle and the j and I'm even gonna say the
mid range j Martin. Lot of kids I want to
just work on the three today, But I would say,
don't forsake the mid range. I get it, the three
is king right now. But if you've also got a
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mid range game, think about it. If you got to handle,
you got a three, so you handle, you can get
to the bucket, and you got a three point shot.
What are they gonna do with you if you also
have a mid range game? And toerr say, they don't
know if you're going all the way to the cup.
They don't know if you're gonna take the three.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And you know that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think one of the great things about like the
greatest finishers, Martin, I think, have the mid range game,
because if I'm driving, you don't know if I'm going
all the way to the whole or if I'm gonna
pull up and stop on a dime and shoot that
mid range jumper Jordan Kobe Kawhi. A lot of the
guys that really Kyrie, they're great finishers, they can shoot
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in the mid range.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, if you're not a three level scorer, you can't
be a great one. So that's part of the problem
right there. And it's honestly one of the knocks out
I would have on Jason Tatum to talk about because that,
I think is what's stopping him from being like one
of the Obviously he's a great offensive player, but really
taking the mantle of being one of the all time
great offensive players is he don't pull up from the
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mid range.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He's got no miny. It's all three or trying to
get to the rim.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, let's talk about him because Lebron James I mentioned
their podcast, Lebron and JJ Reddick, and they they brought
up Jason Tatum, and here's what Lebron said.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
There's a great saying that says, the best teacher in
life has experience as well. And we look at Tate.
I mean, he's twenty five years old. He's twenty five
years old, and I believe he's been to the conference
finals four times, been to the obviously the NBA finals
once he's twenty five. I didn't I mean, I didn't
win my first one until I was twenty he's eight.
I think Joker won his first one at twenty seven.
I think MJ was twenty eight as well. You know,
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we have a lot of expectations on JT. But he's
he's experienced a lot of winning in his career so far.
And obviously, you know, everyone wants to see him over
the hump. But four conference finals in a finals appearance
before the age of twenty six is that's elite. And
like you just said, he's continued to grow, and you
know they are in a position where they can make
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another title run. And like I said, personnel helps, you know,
Adam persingis and and getting Drew for a bag of laces, Petato.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Chips that helps as well.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That helps as well. But you know, Jat is definitely
the you know when you when you when you go
and he start scouting for Boston, He's a He's a
number one guy for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Here's the other thing, because I think Lebron makes an
outstanding point and here here's one point he didn't make.
Martin Jason is twenty six now, just turned twenty six
recently in his seventh season, so in his six seasons
that have been completed.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Martin.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The dude's been the four conference finals, all right, and
I would argue he was definitely the best player on
three of those teams. If you want to say the
first year, Jalen Brown was better, Jalen average like two
more points than Jason did in that conference finals against Cleveland.
(08:13):
You can go there, but you you would. I mean,
he's been the best player at this young age on
a conference semi finalist or conference finalists, I should say.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Three times at least.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And you might even want to argue he was the
better player that year for the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'm looking up now, was he there leading?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, you had Kyrie on that team, but remember
Kyrie was hurt, but Kyrie was their best player, but
he got hurt during the playoffs, and that's when you
know Tatum kind of stepped up and began to become
what he is.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But what are your thoughts on what Lebron said. I
think it's pretty fair.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think it is fair, and I think when you
look at Jason Tatum, it may be a question of
just not if, but when, because because again, he is
almost always in the conversation of them. He's almost always
in the final four of the NBA. Right, you look
at where he ranks for his age. I mean, he's
top ten in almost every relevant playoff stat below.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I mean for guys who are under or now.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
He's twenty six obviously, but because he just turned twenty
six two weeks ago, but from twenty five at under,
He's third amongst NBA players in playoff points right, trailing
only Lebron and Kobe Bryant. Sixth and regular season wins.
Like he's a guy again, four conference championships. I mean,
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he is the type of guy to me that we
criticize because he hasn't gotten over the hump very much
like Jokis was criticized for not getting over the hump. Yeah,
once he got over the hupe, everybody was like, Okay, exhale,
he's one of the greats.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
All right, cool, he's one of.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The great Fairness to that, because I mean, Michael Jordan looked.
Jordan was beloved by a lot of people to come
fly with me.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Videos were before he won a championship.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The Jordan sneaker phenomenon was before he won a championship.
So I'm not gonna see here and act like you know,
Jordan wasn't beloved before the championships, but Martin, there was
a lot of criticism of him.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
There was at all.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, he can put up all these numbers, he can
score all these points. He's flashy, his game looks great,
but he's not magic or bird that. I mean, that
was those were I had debates about that, and that
was written all throughout the papers and things like that,
and everybody kind of goes thro it Lebron Again, everybody
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recognized how great he was, but there was criticism of
him until he started winning championships. And so this is fair,
and you're right. Jokic is a great example because Jokic,
I mean, there were the analytics guys loved him, but
a lot of people were like, man, come on this dude,
you know he's slow. He puts up these numbers, but
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what's he doing the playoffs? So look, this is kind
of just how it works. When you're that caliber of player,
you know, you get criticized. It's it's kind of like Martin,
your high school coach or whatever level saying if I
didn't believe in you, I wouldn't yell at you. Sure
be worried when I don't say a thing to you
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anymore because they yell at you because they see the
greatness in you that they want to bring out. And
that's kind of like, you know, Jason Tatum, be worried
when don't nobody criticize you because you don't win?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
They're like, all right, you know, I mean they don't
think you that level.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
All of the things that are true about Jason Tatum's
playoff career in terms of the wins and losses in
series and so forth, they're also true of Jalen Brown's
playoff career. And we're not having the same conversation all
the prospect.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, as great as Jalen is, he's just not
as good as Jason.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But I mean Jason Tatum right now, you know, Chris,
he's fourth in playoff games played before turning twenty five
years old, only Kobe, Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard. Right,
so seventy four playoff games. That's a ton He's got
a ton of playoff experience. But we do it selectively
because you want to forget the close out game they
had against Philly, Right, are the game that forty one
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where exactly fifty one in a potential elimination game, right, Like,
he's had big time moments on big stages. It's just
has he gotten it done on the biggest stage.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Not quite?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Then it doesn't help when you lose to a playing
team like Miami or something like that. But like, it's
really to me one of those moments where we take
So we do this a lot in sports, where you'll
take the best player and criticize him as a result
of the team's success or failures.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And that's what it is with Jason Tato. For me,
I think before we go to the next seg do
you think this is the year they get it done.
I got Denver over Boston in the finals.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It's gonna be tough because I just don't love the
way that they play. Nope, Like we talked about Tatumna
have a mid range game. Nobody on Boston really has
a mid range game, and we see it every year
in the playoffs. You have to be able to get
have bucket getters on your team, Guys that can one
on one win their matchup and turn the water off
when the other team's on a ten oh run, a
twelve ozher run. You give the ball to this guy
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and you know You're gonna get a good shot, get
to the free throw line, get an a one something
to slow down the other team. Boston doesn't have that.
Boston is playing math at a way that I don't
think will be rewarded in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
All right, Uh well, look we're gonna go to pro football.
In our next segment, Martin and Caleb Williams. There are
some saying he should pull in Eli. That's next ackable.
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and he's been saying this for a while, Martin of
Pro Football Talk. He's saying that Caleb Williams may want
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to consider pulling into Eli Manning of course, Eli Manning
drafted by the San Diego or the San Diego Chargers,
he would not play for them, force his way to
the New York Giants. What do you think about that?
Do you think that's the route Caleb Williams should go?
John Elway forced this, you know, the didn't want to
play for the Baltimore Colts end up forcing his way
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to Denver. It's happened before. What do not really that recently?
But what do you think that?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I think it's kind of ridiculous, Like because also too,
where is he okay? So you you strong armed Chicago
to then go to the commanders? Like to go to
New England two places that have been pretty dysfunctional since well,
Washington since forever damn Near and New England since Tom
Brady left have not necessarily been you know, swings and misses,
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Like how far does this go in terms of saying
like I'm gonna fold my arms and say I'm not
playing for you until like where's the landing spot? Minnesota
at eleven? You're gonna make Minnesota trade? Like how does
this work?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Where?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And I get the We had three very very unique circumstances.
The first one in backwards order Eli Manning. All right,
well you got kind of the first family of the
NFL when you're talking about Archie Manning and then Peyton
Manning and then Eli kind of forcing his way to
the Giants after being drafted by the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Also, the other.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Thing is Chargers probably weren't crying about that too hard,
seeing as they got Philip Rivers, who was also a borderline.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Right now, the other two which on l Way and
uh and Bo Jackson threatened baseball, right they had other leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Caleb Williams say, is where is he gonna go?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
He's was he gonna just stop playing football because he
doesn't want to go to the Bears.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It sounds it sounds just very pie in the sky
to me and not real.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So I just don't I don't have you know where,
Like if you want to do this, you should just
abolish the draft, Like there should be no draft and
guys just sign a free undrafted free agents wherever they
want to go. And you gotta make the most compelling
pitch to a team. So if that's where we're going, Like,
the NFL will never allow this on some regular on
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a regular basis, And I think the only reason we
most players don't have that type of leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's that's the key. They don't have the leverage.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
He's gonna go to the where he gets drafted and
maybe it gonna work, maybe it won't. But the other
thing I take two to this Florio pieces. He writes like,
maybe if Trey Lance had gotten drafted elsewhere, maybe if
Zach Wilson had gotten drafted elsewhere, we don't.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Know what they would have been.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Well, we do know what they were because and part
because of where they've played, right, So yeah, if Zach
Wilson was a fourth throwned pick, maybe he'd still be
people would still view him differently or have a better
feeling about him being a backup quarterback. Or if Trey
Lance was a fourth throned pick or a fifth throng pick,
something like that. But this is how it goes for
first round quarterbacks. And either your Joe Burrow, who can
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take a team that it has had no playoff success
in the last thirty years or so and take them
to a Super Bowl, Or you could be a Mats
Stafford take a team that had no playoff success of
thirty years prior and make that team better and not
worked out, or you could be a Zach Wilson and
they're ready to move on from you before your thing.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Is look, and I get it definitely.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You know has an impact what type of organization you
go to, who the coaches are, who your teammates are,
all of that stuff. But at the end of the day,
the great players make their own success. And I'm not
trying to belittle the importance of any of the stuff
I just mentioned before, But you said it with Joe Burrow.
Everybody was saying the same thing about him. Don't go
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to Cincinnati. They're horrible, they don't spend money, they're cheap,
terrible franchise. And Rob and I were saying, Martin, you
may remember if you're that guy, go there and make
them better, right, And that's exactly what he's done. He
got them to a super Bowl and now they're one
of the top teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Stroud Houston was horrible. Heck, Deshaun Watson forced his way
out of there because they were such a bad franchise
for the last almost decade. And then CJ and Demico
Ryans the new head coach, they get there are the
one year, first year head coach and they turn it around.
But CJ made it happen, all right. He didn't have
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the greatest players around him. Heck, his offensive line was
always musical chairs because god were hurt, and he made
it happen. Joe Montana, and I know, that's an all
time great. We don't necessarily need to compare these guys
to But again, San Francisco hadn't made the playoffs in
like eight straight years when he took over and won
them a Super Bowl, and then the.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Rest is history. Brett Farv.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, everybody looks at the Packers now with Fav and
Aaron Rodgers and now Jeordan Love.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh what a great franchise.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They were pitiful when I was a kid, pitiful. I
know they were great under Vince Lombardi, Bart Starr and
all that. But during the seventies, during the eighties, right,
that's what I'm saying. That was before my time. During
the seventies and eighties, they were an afterthought in the NFL.
Brett Farv goes there, they hadn't made the playoffs in
like a decade, and he turns them around in short order.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
All right, So the great ones do that, And that's
what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
If Caleb's that guy, if he's what they say is,
then he can go to Chicago and do that. Mentioned
they got some good players with him, Dj Moore, and
they just added Keenan Allen as receivers. I like DeAndre Swift,
Gerald Everett as a tight end.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I mean they got some. Remember the Bears entered the
year last year on a high note. They started out ugly,
but they ended on a high note.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
They would they have the number one overall pick because
Carolina traded it to him.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
They didn't earn it. That's all way different, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
We got Daniel Kelly around the corner of New York
Jets Scout. We'll talk to him about this in a minute, but.
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Speaker 1 (21:39):
All right, thank you, Kevin. We're live from the tirereg
dot Com studios. Our next guest former New York Jets
Scout as well as an author. Man, this guy's got
some interesting takes on quarterbacks. We welcome in, Daniel Kelly.
Let me say this. When everybody was shouting Trey Lance's praises,
Zach Wilson's praises, Daniel Kelly was like, hold up, I
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don't know what y'all so excited about it. At least
so far, he's right on the money with that. So
when you hear these takes, just know that he's been
right on some of these guys. So Daniel, welcome to
the odd couple.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Hey, thank you so much, Chris and Martin. It's great
to be on with you guys tonight. Talking about the
NFL Draft that's getting closer and closer by the day.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, look, everybody loves you. Not everybody, but most people
love Caleb Williams. I like him a lot myself, But
you are not that high on the guy that will
almost certainly be the number one pick of the draft.
Tell us what type of rating you have on him,
where you think he should go, as far as what
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round and why you feel that way.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Absolutely, you know, Caleb Williams is somebody I have studied
now and every single snap he's taken at USC over
the last two years and so a total of twenty
six games have evaluated where I have them. My gratings
chart is a fourth round league grade, and I have
officially now removed him completely from my draft board due
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to his latest decision to not throw at the NFL
scouting Combine the main things that, yeah, the main things
I see guys about Caleb Williams. And believe me, I
see what everybody else is seeing on the highlights. I
mean who couldn't see it? I mean it's all over
social media all day every day. I see the elite
law arm talent. I see the elite you know, raw
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arm strength, and I see the elite mobility that allows
him to create and extend and do those kinds of things.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
But when I look at the.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Fuller body of work, that's where my concern radar really
goes off, because to me, he's an elite athlete who
is underdeveloped when it comes to the finer points of
the quarterback position. What do I mean by that, Well,
mainly number one, he has very erratic and inconsistent footwork
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in the pocket. Going into a league that's built upon
quarterbacks throwing timing routes, that's a huge concern there. Another
concern I have, too, is that he a lot of times.
I've been noticing this more and more with him, the
more I study, go back and rewatch them the tape.
Even is he he looks down a field a lot
and plays hero ball a lot, but he misses a
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lot of underneath open receivers in the process. Another thing
with Caleb Williams two is that he's when he runs
the ball, he tends to run with extreme physicality at times.
This of course increases the injury risk as far as
I'm concerned. And really, you know, when I look at
the time to throw, it's a concern too. And this
is kind of the irony of you know, the Chicago
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talk and everything, because Justin Fields had a time to
throw a three point two three seconds per Next Gen Stats,
whereas a Caleb Williams's an apple to origins, you know,
college the football comparison. But per PFAF, Caleb Williams has
a three point two to one second time to throw.
What does that mean. It's a slower time to process.
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And in the NFL it's one Mississippi two Mississippi get
rid of the ball or get hit, And that's another
huge concern going into this type of situation. So it's
overall kind of looking at the fuller body of work
and the concerns, and that's not even touching on the
character issues and concerns I see, which is a laundry
list of things going into this process.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
So, uh, that's pretty much You're You got to be
the only person I've heard talk about Kaylea Williams in
such a way. But although I do agree with you
on a lot of it, though in terms of especially,
he seems to me like he always is outside of
the pocket. Whenever you see like the big highlight plays,
he's not really winning, it seems from the pocket. I
don't know how much of that was just his team
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at USC or how much of that is his desire
or inability to stay in the pocket or desire to
try to get out and make something happen. But I
wanted to ask you about JJ McCarthy as well, because
he seems to be the darling of the draft, kind
of skyrocketing up draft boards. I went to Michigan watched
almost every snap of his career, and while I am
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not a former NFL scout, I have asked a few
of them, and I thought, am I crazy thinking that
JJ McCarthy being having a first round grade seems to
be like he's getting a whole lot of extra credit
for the win loss record at or something else.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I don't
see it in his game.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Yeah, I don't either.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
You know, this is something that really is perplexing to me.
I've studied JJ McCarthy in twenty three games, and to me,
watching JJ McCarthy no disrespect intended to what Michigan accomplished
or what he accomplished at Michigan or any of the
opponents that they played. But really and truly watching JJ
McCarthy with NFL colored glasses on, you know, looking at
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guys how they project best of the NFL, It's like
watching Paint Drive. For me, I mean, I sat at
the table watching film for hours and hours and hours
at a time. But what do I mean by that?
It's in a lack of explosive plays. This is a guy,
I think, who ranked number thirty five in the country
per ESPN as far as term of his passing yards,
and he's somebody that that you know, had like thirteen
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I charted with Chicken Scratches thirteen explosive like the long
throws down the field. Half of those were incomplete. This
is the guy. The big concern with McCarthy too, to
your points what you're talking about. The big concern I
have is is throwing mechanics. I would rather have Zach Wilson.
I suggest the team. He's great for Zach Wilson. And
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I'm as you guys touch on, I'm not a big
Zach Wilson guy Predraft twenty twenty one. But the throwing
mechanics of a JJ McCarthy, the guy looks like when
he throws the ball, he's got this big, long base
and a long deeded throwing motion. He really, to me, guys,
looks like like a baseball pitcher coming off the mound
throwing footballs. And what that does is NFL corners are
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so savvy. They've been around for you know, a few years,
five ten years. Some of them, they're they're you know,
they all they need is an extra second or two.
All they need is that second two, the break on passes.
And when you got this big long base tilted towards
the direction you're throwing the ball in this big wind
up and coming off the mountain type of thing, it's
going to give corners that much more time to respond
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to his throws. I just don't see it. I think
he's a good guy. I haven't heard any character issues
about JJ McCarthy. I think he's a guy you come in,
you know, he can put in number two or three spot,
hopefully never gets in the game type of thing. You know,
he can kind of serve in that capacity. But yeah,
I just don't see it at all. I haven't remotely
understood the first round conversation on JJ McCarthy the entire
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time I've been evaluating that. Just it just blows my mind.
It's way worse than even the Zach Wilson talk in
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
In my mind, So who do you think? Who do
you like in this draft? Who are the best quarterbacks?
Maybe the best two?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And how is there a superstar future star in this
drafted quarterback in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Bencer Rattler. Bencer Ratler's my guy. He's my kV one.
I've loved Spencer Ratler, Yeah, absolutely, I've loved him since
the first moment I saw him at Oklahoma back on
twenty twenty film. Spencer Ratler is somebody I've looked at
in a number of games twenty nine games. Specifically, this
is a guy that that you know, the mobility, the
way he moves around, the way he leads, the ice
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in his eyes, the chip on his shoulder. What he
did at South Carolina was nothing short of almost a
miracle to me because he went into that situation against
I think Sports Illustrats said that, you know, South Carolina
had the toughest FBS scheduled preseason. He went into the
situation they had like nine different types of combinations of
offensive lineman. His restar receiver, Xavier Legats, he had him,
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but Juice Well's went on weak. Two's number two and
three top receivers on team were tight end. He had
the number one hundred and twenty eights running attack in
the nation out of one hundred and thirty two teams.
I mean, he had next to nothing is what I'm
trying to paint here to work with. But yet he
still produced a higher completion percannge last season than Caleb
Williams and a number of other quarterbacks in this raft.
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Spencer Rattler is a guy who just works hard. I
come from a kind of that background with Bill Bill Checking,
those guys you know, just work, just do your job.
That was those were his words coming off the Senior
Bowl with Hey, what are you gonna do after this?
You know, go disney mind. I'm gonna keep working. And
he's kind of kept his you know, just kept to
himself and let his play do his talk in the
entire time, and and and the kind of behind the scenes.
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And in this case, you know, the two of course
Caleb Williams and him, but were both in Oklahoma. In
this case with the two star cross quarterbacks. I called him,
We're going to see Spencer Rattler have a lot better
career than Caleb Williams long term. I love the guy.
I'm excited. I'm excited about him. And yeah, that's that's
my guy.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You you out on the you out on a limb, brother.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Well, I'll say this. I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I was at the Senior Bowl and Mobile this year,
and I didn't go to the combine, but I was
paying attention to it and talking to a handful of scouts.
The few that text me back. I asked him two questions.
I said, am I crazy for this? For these two things?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Ay?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I wouldn't take McCarthy Penni's nor in the first round,
and B I like Spencer Ratler better than all three
of those guys. And it was from watching South Carolina
just being on the radio when they were playing.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's all. He was just getting pounded, hit after hit
after hitt.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
He got up, he never complained, he was always clapping,
seemed energetic on the sidelines. Then when I saw him
at the Senior Ball through the practices, he just he
jumped off the flip off the field, especially compared to
the other more popular quarterbacks that were there. How much
of your evaluation special Rattler Danny has changed since after
the season ended.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Basically from the scene he got about a minute for
your a minute max for your comedy, through Senior Bowl
and combine.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Yeah, absolutely, it's just an enhanced It's it's everything I've
seen on Spencer Rattler has been. You know, I've seen
in him in the off season type of stuff. I mean,
he just you know, just continues on just working. Those
are great insights you shared, by the way, and I
appreciate you sharing them. But everything I saw at the
Senior Ball was a guy who just went in their work.
The combine he came in. This is not one of
these guys who complains about not doing certain drills and
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I'm I'm not gonna do this, so I'm not gonna
do that. He went through all the processes at the combine.
He continues to impress. So everything I've seen on Spencer Ratler,
you know, this whole op season, like you're saying, has
just been a confirmation to me of what I saw
in those twenty nine games. This guy is hitting in
an upward trajectory towards the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,
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and I love him. I absolutely love him.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's Daniel Kelly, former New York Jets scout and opinionated
quarterback evaluator. So we'll get you on soon and during
next season for sure, but maybe before that, Daniel, great stuff, man,
we'll see if it pans out.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Son's good. Thank you so much for having me on
the show. And it's gonna be exciting to see what
happens in the draft, for sure. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yes, indeed, all right.
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Speaker 9 (34:01):
Goal man.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Smile at you a kicker field goal. That's pretty good,
all right, that's right, it is good. Let's see it.
Let's hope the trash talkers are as good.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
All right.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I want to start with this one because I would
trash this one too. Let's go to MJ in New Orleans.
You're on the eye couple, MJ.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
What you got, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Fresh?
Speaker 10 (34:27):
I'm trashing mine of the game podcasts. Not only just
the trash, but put in the last field. But it's
que take on the most influential on the game of
basketball courting since so Lebron has been watching the Covenant.
Curry is anonymous with three pointers, but wasn't until around
the men twenty twenties because he dominated the offense before then.
(34:47):
It's frimalily shooting twos. Recently, Steph Curry picked Michael Jordan's
the one player he wished you got to play with.
Alan Iffinson credits Michael Jordan fronspiring him achieve in the
Most Colnorable Award. Wanted to actually be like Mike. The
ants to even Mitch and Michael. Jordan had his Basketball
Hall of the Family Ducks because Jordan is wild considered
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the greatest player of all time. He revolutionized the game
with athleticism, skill and competitiveness. Stop the cat, thank you guys,
have a great show.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
All right.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I thought he was going to trash the concept that
Lebron and jaj Rittick started a podcast. We've got too
many podcasts out there, but listen to mine. Oh, let's
go to Mace in San Diego. You're on the a couple.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Tiger Woods. I don't understand the obsession with this guy.
This guy's left pestil so high they can do no
wrong despite committing adultery the adultry. This guy receives his
alarming people. He swings a skinny, crooked metal stick to
hit a little white ball. He's not during cancer, not
any world hunger, not following the inflation crisis, and definitely
did not discover anything groundbreaking. Let the laws of fernal dynamics.
(35:53):
Anybody the worst fan needs to get their life reevaluated.
Anyone that has enough time to watch this guy and
other people play that stupid waste of activity known his
DALF should consider getting a little bodomy. And why isn't
the idiots from the wolf Bomb compaining about the tournament
known as the Masters. Oh, we shouldn't call it the
Masters Tournament anymore? That what is so much negative connotations?
They changed to the Experts Tournament. I freaking hate those idiots.
(36:16):
We've already chieved names of two sports teams because those
wolk idiots, they're panties and a bunch. Because Tiger Woods
is such a nimble maniac. He's doing himself with disservice
by continuing to waste time with stupid golf when he
could easily just go into adult mimacting. Jardy has the
perfect name for the industry, having said that there's someone
right up your alley that you should co star and
all your all your films, you need to link up
with Sam Van Gundy Douppelganger, the famous adult male actor
(36:39):
Ron Jeremy.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
You know, you know, you know, if there's a hug
he's in San Diego. He probably had to deal with
some encroaching golf courses on his on his property.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Dennis an achron, you're on the aco. What what are
you trashing? Dennis?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, how do you follow a great, great guy like that?
Speaker 10 (36:58):
I just to say you, well, I love.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Doing a wonderful killer.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. No, And then we
got kind of a back and that you sound muffled.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and trash Dennis's cell phone carrier.
Let we're sorry about that, but let's go to Gary
in Houston. Let's what's what's Gary? What you trashing brother the.
Speaker 11 (37:21):
WNBA players for complaining about the faith. First of all,
all the players, by definite, are overpaid because the league
has never been profitable. Second of all, even though weight
gap has been debunked, it's nothing more than a myth
by something most brilliant mind by commons soul at Warren Ferrell.
You want to know what's even be very issued in
the so called weight gap between the NB and WNB.
The viewership gap, the lieutenant gap, the revenue gap, the
profit gap, and most importantly, the biological gap. The sad
(37:42):
reality is that the wnb's failure of the league apartmans product,
has been because women have truly failed to support it.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
All right, all right, mardon, I will say this, and
we we we don't probably really have much time for
another caller, but we can weigh in on what he said.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I will say this. Look, I'm glad there's a WNBA.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'm glad that, you know, American girls can grow up
and aspire to playing in the league of their own
here in America.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
A lot of them still go overseas too, but I'm
glad they have that here. But yeah, they're getting.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I don't know what their you know, collective bargain agreement is,
but they're getting the amount of money, and to be honest,
maybe more then.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
The sport is generating.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
NBA players make more than WNBA players because the sport generates.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
That much more. Sure, that's it now.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I know what the women's soccer players Team USA and
all that, that was unfair. They were generating more than
the men in some cases and not getting the money.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So that was unfair.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
But most in most of these professional sports, Martin, it's
you get the fair share of the money your sport generates.
Can't pay the WNBA women what you pay NBA men
when the sport's not coming close to generating that type
of money.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Also, to one gap he was off on, it might
be the viewership gap because the women's college basketball heads out.
I'm just saying, if it translates with these Caitlyn Clarks
of Angel Reeses.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And so on, we'll see. Well, we'll see. Yeah, I
mean I have my doubts.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Britney Grinder was a huge draw in college too, and
our left keep it locked.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
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You trashing anybody? Martin?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, you know what, I'll give us a stick priview.
I should Rob Parker. I'm trashing Harvard for having Rob
Parker go over there and speak. Harvard's supposed to be
the Michigan of the East. You know what I'm saying,
It's supposed to be a reputable.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
The first time I've heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I'm surprised your daughters theyn't have shirts that say Harvard
Michigan of the East.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They sullivent at Arbor.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean, you know, Rob Parker should be on down
there at Southern Connecticut State where he got his undergrad
But no, he's out there.
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At Harvard University.
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Speaker 3 (02:22):
Graduate Hoe Tels.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
We got Daniel Kelly, former New York Jets scout and
an author. He got some strong opinions man about quarterbacks.
So we'll get into that with him at the bottom
of the hour. But now we're gonna stick with the NBA.
Martin and Lebron James and JJ Reddick have started a
new podcast called Mind for the Game. Obviously you listen
(02:48):
to JJ Reddick and he's a very intelligent basketball mind
and was a good player. Obviously not great, not an
All Star, but he was a good player. He was
more than like, you know, just a shooter. I mean,
he was mainly a shooter, but he was good enough
to start and.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know, had some nice season. He was a college
all timer. Yeah, college. He was great at Duke. He
was he's a Duke all time great at Duke.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And he's better than the Steve Kurz, the Tim Leglis,
you know what I mean, the Kyle Korvers. Those guys
were just purely spot up shooters, and of course that
was his forte and but he did best and mostly
but he was he was a level above him real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
When I was in high school, JJ Reddick was one
of the players I tried to model my game after,
no kidding.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
When he was at Duke, he was not did you
come so? Was your game shooting? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I could shoot, but really I never got I never
got past sophomore year, JJ, because I couldn't handle the balls.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I could shoot, I could jump, that was about it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's interesting because I bet I don't know how much
time you spend around young players today, but I bet
two things that well, let me say, I bet there
are a lot of guys.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That can handle the rock.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That they you know, they probably practice it more now.
They do let you carry today, so that helps it out.
But I just think today, I bet more so many
young players are focused on a handle and three. And
I tell young players, look, work on your handle, man,
because if you you notice from playing, if you have
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a handle, nobody.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Can mess with you. No, you don't have to worry
about full court pressure.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know you you can get where you want you
on the court, and especially if you're a guard. If
you're a guard and you don't get frazzled by people
really getting up in your grill, defensively because you handle
so well, that's.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
A huge advantage. So young young.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Cats out there are you fathers who are and mothers
who are working with your young boys. Work on the
handle and the j and I'm even gonna say the
mid range j Martin. Lot of kids I want to
just work on the three today, But I would say,
don't forsake the mid range. I get it, the three
is king right now. But if you've also got a
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mid range game, think about it. If you got to handle,
you got a three, so you handle, you can get
to the bucket, and you got a three point shot.
What are they gonna do with you if you also
have a mid range game? And toerr say, they don't
know if you're going all the way to the cup.
They don't know if you're gonna take the three.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And you know that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think one of the great things about like the
greatest finishers, Martin, I think, have the mid range game,
because if I'm driving, you don't know if I'm going
all the way to the whole or if I'm gonna
pull up and stop on a dime and shoot that
mid range jumper Jordan Kobe Kawhi. A lot of the
guys that really Kyrie, they're great finishers, they can shoot
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in the mid range.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, if you're not a three level scorer, you can't
be a great one. So that's part of the problem
right there. And it's honestly one of the knocks out
I would have on Jason Tatum to talk about because that,
I think is what's stopping him from being like one
of the Obviously he's a great offensive player, but really
taking the mantle of being one of the all time
great offensive players is he don't pull up from the
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mid range.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He's got no miny. It's all three or trying to
get to the rim.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, let's talk about him because Lebron James I mentioned
their podcast, Lebron and JJ Reddick, and they they brought
up Jason Tatum, and here's what Lebron said.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
There's a great saying that says, the best teacher in
life has experience as well. And we look at Tate.
I mean, he's twenty five years old. He's twenty five
years old, and I believe he's been to the conference
finals four times, been to the obviously the NBA finals
once he's twenty five. I didn't I mean, I didn't
win my first one until I was twenty he's eight.
I think Joker won his first one at twenty seven.
I think MJ was twenty eight as well. You know,
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we have a lot of expectations on JT. But he's
he's experienced a lot of winning in his career so far.
And obviously, you know, everyone wants to see him over
the hump. But four conference finals in a finals appearance
before the age of twenty six is that's elite. And
like you just said, he's continued to grow, and you
know they are in a position where they can make
(07:12):
another title run. And like I said, personnel helps, you know,
Adam persingis and and getting Drew for a bag of laces, Petato.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Chips that helps as well.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That helps as well. But you know, Jat is definitely
the you know when you when you when you go
and he start scouting for Boston, He's a He's a
number one guy for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Here's the other thing, because I think Lebron makes an
outstanding point and here here's one point he didn't make.
Martin Jason is twenty six now, just turned twenty six
recently in his seventh season, so in his six seasons
that have been completed.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Martin.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The dude's been the four conference finals, all right, and
I would argue he was definitely the best player on
three of those teams. If you want to say the
first year, Jalen Brown was better, Jalen average like two
more points than Jason did in that conference finals against Cleveland.
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You can go there, but you you would. I mean,
he's been the best player at this young age on
a conference semi finalist or conference finalists, I should say.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Three times at least.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And you might even want to argue he was the
better player that year for the Celtics.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'm looking up now, was he there leading?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, you had Kyrie on that team, but remember
Kyrie was hurt, but Kyrie was their best player, but
he got hurt during the playoffs, and that's when you
know Tatum kind of stepped up and began to become
what he is.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But what are your thoughts on what Lebron said. I
think it's pretty fair.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think it is fair, and I think when you
look at Jason Tatum, it may be a question of
just not if, but when, because because again, he is
almost always in the conversation of them. He's almost always
in the final four of the NBA. Right, you look
at where he ranks for his age. I mean, he's
top ten in almost every relevant playoff stat below.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I mean for guys who are under or now.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
He's twenty six obviously, but because he just turned twenty
six two weeks ago, but from twenty five at under,
He's third amongst NBA players in playoff points right, trailing
only Lebron and Kobe Bryant. Sixth and regular season wins.
Like he's a guy again, four conference championships. I mean,
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he is the type of guy to me that we
criticize because he hasn't gotten over the hump very much
like Jokis was criticized for not getting over the hump. Yeah,
once he got over the hupe, everybody was like, Okay, exhale,
he's one of the greats.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
All right, cool, he's one of.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The great Fairness to that, because I mean, Michael Jordan looked.
Jordan was beloved by a lot of people to come
fly with me.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Videos were before he won a championship.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The Jordan sneaker phenomenon was before he won a championship.
So I'm not gonna see here and act like you know,
Jordan wasn't beloved before the championships, but Martin, there was
a lot of criticism of him.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
There was at all.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, he can put up all these numbers, he can
score all these points. He's flashy, his game looks great,
but he's not magic or bird that. I mean, that
was those were I had debates about that, and that
was written all throughout the papers and things like that,
and everybody kind of goes thro it Lebron Again, everybody
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recognized how great he was, but there was criticism of
him until he started winning championships. And so this is fair,
and you're right. Jokic is a great example because Jokic,
I mean, there were the analytics guys loved him, but
a lot of people were like, man, come on this dude,
you know he's slow. He puts up these numbers, but
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what's he doing the playoffs? So look, this is kind
of just how it works. When you're that caliber of player,
you know, you get criticized. It's it's kind of like Martin,
your high school coach or whatever level saying if I
didn't believe in you, I wouldn't yell at you. Sure
be worried when I don't say a thing to you
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anymore because they yell at you because they see the
greatness in you that they want to bring out. And
that's kind of like, you know, Jason Tatum, be worried
when don't nobody criticize you because you don't win?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
They're like, all right, you know, I mean they don't
think you that level.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
All of the things that are true about Jason Tatum's
playoff career in terms of the wins and losses in
series and so forth, they're also true of Jalen Brown's
playoff career. And we're not having the same conversation all
the prospect.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, as great as Jalen is, he's just not
as good as Jason.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But I mean Jason Tatum right now, you know, Chris,
he's fourth in playoff games played before turning twenty five
years old, only Kobe, Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard. Right,
so seventy four playoff games. That's a ton He's got
a ton of playoff experience. But we do it selectively
because you want to forget the close out game they
had against Philly, Right, are the game that forty one
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where exactly fifty one in a potential elimination game, right, Like,
he's had big time moments on big stages. It's just
has he gotten it done on the biggest stage.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Not quite?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Then it doesn't help when you lose to a playing
team like Miami or something like that. But like, it's
really to me one of those moments where we take
So we do this a lot in sports, where you'll
take the best player and criticize him as a result
of the team's success or failures.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And that's what it is with Jason Tato. For me,
I think before we go to the next seg do
you think this is the year they get it done.
I got Denver over Boston in the finals.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It's gonna be tough because I just don't love the
way that they play. Nope, Like we talked about Tatumna
have a mid range game. Nobody on Boston really has
a mid range game, and we see it every year
in the playoffs. You have to be able to get
have bucket getters on your team, Guys that can one
on one win their matchup and turn the water off
when the other team's on a ten oh run, a
twelve ozher run. You give the ball to this guy
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and you know You're gonna get a good shot, get
to the free throw line, get an a one something
to slow down the other team. Boston doesn't have that.
Boston is playing math at a way that I don't
think will be rewarded in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
All right, Uh well, look we're gonna go to pro football.
In our next segment, Martin and Caleb Williams. There are
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to consider pulling into Eli Manning of course, Eli Manning
drafted by the San Diego or the San Diego Chargers,
he would not play for them, force his way to
the New York Giants. What do you think about that?
Do you think that's the route Caleb Williams should go?
John Elway forced this, you know, the didn't want to
play for the Baltimore Colts end up forcing his way
(15:54):
to Denver. It's happened before. What do not really that recently?
But what do you think that?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I think it's kind of ridiculous, Like because also too,
where is he okay? So you you strong armed Chicago
to then go to the commanders? Like to go to
New England two places that have been pretty dysfunctional since well,
Washington since forever damn Near and New England since Tom
Brady left have not necessarily been you know, swings and misses,
(16:23):
Like how far does this go in terms of saying
like I'm gonna fold my arms and say I'm not
playing for you until like where's the landing spot? Minnesota
at eleven? You're gonna make Minnesota trade? Like how does
this work?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Where?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And I get the We had three very very unique circumstances.
The first one in backwards order Eli Manning. All right,
well you got kind of the first family of the
NFL when you're talking about Archie Manning and then Peyton
Manning and then Eli kind of forcing his way to
the Giants after being drafted by the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Also, the other.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Thing is Chargers probably weren't crying about that too hard,
seeing as they got Philip Rivers, who was also a borderline.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Right now, the other two which on l Way and
uh and Bo Jackson threatened baseball, right they had other leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Caleb Williams say, is where is he gonna go?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
He's was he gonna just stop playing football because he
doesn't want to go to the Bears.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It sounds it sounds just very pie in the sky
to me and not real.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So I just don't I don't have you know where,
Like if you want to do this, you should just
abolish the draft, Like there should be no draft and
guys just sign a free undrafted free agents wherever they
want to go. And you gotta make the most compelling
pitch to a team. So if that's where we're going, Like,
the NFL will never allow this on some regular on
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a regular basis, And I think the only reason we
most players don't have that type of leverage.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's that's the key. They don't have the leverage.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
He's gonna go to the where he gets drafted and
maybe it gonna work, maybe it won't. But the other
thing I take two to this Florio pieces. He writes like,
maybe if Trey Lance had gotten drafted elsewhere, maybe if
Zach Wilson had gotten drafted elsewhere, we don't.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Know what they would have been.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Well, we do know what they were because and part
because of where they've played, right, So yeah, if Zach
Wilson was a fourth throwned pick, maybe he'd still be
people would still view him differently or have a better
feeling about him being a backup quarterback. Or if Trey
Lance was a fourth throned pick or a fifth throng pick,
something like that. But this is how it goes for
first round quarterbacks. And either your Joe Burrow, who can
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take a team that it has had no playoff success
in the last thirty years or so and take them
to a Super Bowl, Or you could be a Mats
Stafford take a team that had no playoff success of
thirty years prior and make that team better and not
worked out, or you could be a Zach Wilson and
they're ready to move on from you before your thing.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Is look, and I get it definitely.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You know has an impact what type of organization you
go to, who the coaches are, who your teammates are,
all of that stuff. But at the end of the day,
the great players make their own success. And I'm not
trying to belittle the importance of any of the stuff
I just mentioned before, But you said it with Joe Burrow.
Everybody was saying the same thing about him. Don't go
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to Cincinnati. They're horrible, they don't spend money, they're cheap,
terrible franchise. And Rob and I were saying, Martin, you
may remember if you're that guy, go there and make
them better, right, And that's exactly what he's done. He
got them to a super Bowl and now they're one
of the top teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Stroud Houston was horrible. Heck, Deshaun Watson forced his way
out of there because they were such a bad franchise
for the last almost decade. And then CJ and Demico
Ryans the new head coach, they get there are the
one year, first year head coach and they turn it around.
But CJ made it happen, all right. He didn't have
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the greatest players around him. Heck, his offensive line was
always musical chairs because god were hurt, and he made
it happen. Joe Montana, and I know, that's an all
time great. We don't necessarily need to compare these guys
to But again, San Francisco hadn't made the playoffs in
like eight straight years when he took over and won
them a Super Bowl, and then the.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Rest is history. Brett Farv.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, everybody looks at the Packers now with Fav and
Aaron Rodgers and now Jeordan Love.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh what a great franchise.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They were pitiful when I was a kid, pitiful. I
know they were great under Vince Lombardi, Bart Starr and
all that. But during the seventies, during the eighties, right,
that's what I'm saying. That was before my time. During
the seventies and eighties, they were an afterthought in the NFL.
Brett Farv goes there, they hadn't made the playoffs in
like a decade, and he turns them around in short order.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
All right, So the great ones do that, And that's
what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
If Caleb's that guy, if he's what they say is,
then he can go to Chicago and do that. Mentioned
they got some good players with him, Dj Moore, and
they just added Keenan Allen as receivers. I like DeAndre Swift,
Gerald Everett as a tight end.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I mean they got some. Remember the Bears entered the
year last year on a high note. They started out ugly,
but they ended on a high note.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
They would they have the number one overall pick because
Carolina traded it to him.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
They didn't earn it. That's all way different, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
We got Daniel Kelly around the corner of New York
Jets Scout. We'll talk to him about this in a minute, but.
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Speaker 1 (21:39):
All right, thank you, Kevin. We're live from the tirereg
dot Com studios. Our next guest former New York Jets
Scout as well as an author. Man, this guy's got
some interesting takes on quarterbacks. We welcome in, Daniel Kelly.
Let me say this. When everybody was shouting Trey Lance's praises,
Zach Wilson's praises, Daniel Kelly was like, hold up, I
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don't know what y'all so excited about it. At least
so far, he's right on the money with that. So
when you hear these takes, just know that he's been
right on some of these guys. So Daniel, welcome to
the odd couple.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Hey, thank you so much, Chris and Martin. It's great
to be on with you guys tonight. Talking about the
NFL Draft that's getting closer and closer by the day.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, look, everybody loves you. Not everybody, but most people
love Caleb Williams. I like him a lot myself, But
you are not that high on the guy that will
almost certainly be the number one pick of the draft.
Tell us what type of rating you have on him,
where you think he should go, as far as what
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round and why you feel that way.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Absolutely, you know, Caleb Williams is somebody I have studied
now and every single snap he's taken at USC over
the last two years and so a total of twenty
six games have evaluated where I have them. My gratings
chart is a fourth round league grade, and I have
officially now removed him completely from my draft board due
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to his latest decision to not throw at the NFL
scouting Combine the main things that, yeah, the main things
I see guys about Caleb Williams. And believe me, I
see what everybody else is seeing on the highlights. I
mean who couldn't see it? I mean it's all over
social media all day every day. I see the elite
law arm talent. I see the elite you know, raw
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arm strength, and I see the elite mobility that allows
him to create and extend and do those kinds of things.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
But when I look at the.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Fuller body of work, that's where my concern radar really
goes off, because to me, he's an elite athlete who
is underdeveloped when it comes to the finer points of
the quarterback position. What do I mean by that, Well,
mainly number one, he has very erratic and inconsistent footwork
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in the pocket. Going into a league that's built upon
quarterbacks throwing timing routes, that's a huge concern there. Another
concern I have, too, is that he a lot of times.
I've been noticing this more and more with him, the
more I study, go back and rewatch them the tape.
Even is he he looks down a field a lot
and plays hero ball a lot, but he misses a
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lot of underneath open receivers in the process. Another thing
with Caleb Williams two is that he's when he runs
the ball, he tends to run with extreme physicality at times.
This of course increases the injury risk as far as
I'm concerned. And really, you know, when I look at
the time to throw, it's a concern too. And this
is kind of the irony of you know, the Chicago
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talk and everything, because Justin Fields had a time to
throw a three point two three seconds per Next Gen Stats,
whereas a Caleb Williams's an apple to origins, you know,
college the football comparison. But per PFAF, Caleb Williams has
a three point two to one second time to throw.
What does that mean. It's a slower time to process.
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And in the NFL it's one Mississippi two Mississippi get
rid of the ball or get hit, And that's another
huge concern going into this type of situation. So it's
overall kind of looking at the fuller body of work
and the concerns, and that's not even touching on the
character issues and concerns I see, which is a laundry
list of things going into this process.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
So, uh, that's pretty much You're You got to be
the only person I've heard talk about Kaylea Williams in
such a way. But although I do agree with you
on a lot of it, though in terms of especially,
he seems to me like he always is outside of
the pocket. Whenever you see like the big highlight plays,
he's not really winning, it seems from the pocket. I
don't know how much of that was just his team
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at USC or how much of that is his desire
or inability to stay in the pocket or desire to
try to get out and make something happen. But I
wanted to ask you about JJ McCarthy as well, because
he seems to be the darling of the draft, kind
of skyrocketing up draft boards. I went to Michigan watched
almost every snap of his career, and while I am
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not a former NFL scout, I have asked a few
of them, and I thought, am I crazy thinking that
JJ McCarthy being having a first round grade seems to
be like he's getting a whole lot of extra credit
for the win loss record at or something else.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I don't
see it in his game.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Yeah, I don't either.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
You know, this is something that really is perplexing to me.
I've studied JJ McCarthy in twenty three games, and to me,
watching JJ McCarthy no disrespect intended to what Michigan accomplished
or what he accomplished at Michigan or any of the
opponents that they played. But really and truly watching JJ
McCarthy with NFL colored glasses on, you know, looking at
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guys how they project best of the NFL, It's like
watching Paint Drive. For me, I mean, I sat at
the table watching film for hours and hours and hours
at a time. But what do I mean by that?
It's in a lack of explosive plays. This is a guy,
I think, who ranked number thirty five in the country
per ESPN as far as term of his passing yards,
and he's somebody that that you know, had like thirteen
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I charted with Chicken Scratches thirteen explosive like the long
throws down the field. Half of those were incomplete. This
is the guy. The big concern with McCarthy too, to
your points what you're talking about. The big concern I
have is is throwing mechanics. I would rather have Zach Wilson.
I suggest the team. He's great for Zach Wilson. And
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I'm as you guys touch on, I'm not a big
Zach Wilson guy Predraft twenty twenty one. But the throwing
mechanics of a JJ McCarthy, the guy looks like when
he throws the ball, he's got this big, long base
and a long deeded throwing motion. He really, to me, guys,
looks like like a baseball pitcher coming off the mound
throwing footballs. And what that does is NFL corners are
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so savvy. They've been around for you know, a few years,
five ten years. Some of them, they're they're you know,
they all they need is an extra second or two.
All they need is that second two, the break on passes.
And when you got this big long base tilted towards
the direction you're throwing the ball in this big wind
up and coming off the mountain type of thing, it's
going to give corners that much more time to respond
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to his throws. I just don't see it. I think
he's a good guy. I haven't heard any character issues
about JJ McCarthy. I think he's a guy you come in,
you know, he can put in number two or three spot,
hopefully never gets in the game type of thing. You know,
he can kind of serve in that capacity. But yeah,
I just don't see it at all. I haven't remotely
understood the first round conversation on JJ McCarthy the entire
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time I've been evaluating that. Just it just blows my mind.
It's way worse than even the Zach Wilson talk in
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
In my mind, So who do you think? Who do
you like in this draft? Who are the best quarterbacks?
Maybe the best two?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And how is there a superstar future star in this
drafted quarterback in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Bencer Rattler. Bencer Ratler's my guy. He's my kV one.
I've loved Spencer Ratler, Yeah, absolutely, I've loved him since
the first moment I saw him at Oklahoma back on
twenty twenty film. Spencer Ratler is somebody I've looked at
in a number of games twenty nine games. Specifically, this
is a guy that that you know, the mobility, the
way he moves around, the way he leads, the ice
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in his eyes, the chip on his shoulder. What he
did at South Carolina was nothing short of almost a
miracle to me because he went into that situation against
I think Sports Illustrats said that, you know, South Carolina
had the toughest FBS scheduled preseason. He went into the
situation they had like nine different types of combinations of
offensive lineman. His restar receiver, Xavier Legats, he had him,
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but Juice Well's went on weak. Two's number two and
three top receivers on team were tight end. He had
the number one hundred and twenty eights running attack in
the nation out of one hundred and thirty two teams.
I mean, he had next to nothing is what I'm
trying to paint here to work with. But yet he
still produced a higher completion percannge last season than Caleb
Williams and a number of other quarterbacks in this raft.
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Spencer Rattler is a guy who just works hard. I
come from a kind of that background with Bill Bill Checking,
those guys you know, just work, just do your job.
That was those were his words coming off the Senior
Bowl with Hey, what are you gonna do after this?
You know, go disney mind. I'm gonna keep working. And
he's kind of kept his you know, just kept to
himself and let his play do his talk in the
entire time, and and and the kind of behind the scenes.
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And in this case, you know, the two of course
Caleb Williams and him, but were both in Oklahoma. In
this case with the two star cross quarterbacks. I called him,
We're going to see Spencer Rattler have a lot better
career than Caleb Williams long term. I love the guy.
I'm excited. I'm excited about him. And yeah, that's that's
my guy.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
You you out on the you out on a limb, brother.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Well, I'll say this. I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I was at the Senior Bowl and Mobile this year,
and I didn't go to the combine, but I was
paying attention to it and talking to a handful of scouts.
The few that text me back. I asked him two questions.
I said, am I crazy for this? For these two things?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Ay?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I wouldn't take McCarthy Penni's nor in the first round,
and B I like Spencer Ratler better than all three
of those guys. And it was from watching South Carolina
just being on the radio when they were playing.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's all. He was just getting pounded, hit after hit
after hitt.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
He got up, he never complained, he was always clapping,
seemed energetic on the sidelines. Then when I saw him
at the Senior Ball through the practices, he just he
jumped off the flip off the field, especially compared to
the other more popular quarterbacks that were there. How much
of your evaluation special Rattler Danny has changed since after
the season ended.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Basically from the scene he got about a minute for
your a minute max for your comedy, through Senior Bowl
and combine.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Yeah, absolutely, it's just an enhanced It's it's everything I've
seen on Spencer Rattler has been. You know, I've seen
in him in the off season type of stuff. I mean,
he just you know, just continues on just working. Those
are great insights you shared, by the way, and I
appreciate you sharing them. But everything I saw at the
Senior Ball was a guy who just went in their work.
The combine he came in. This is not one of
these guys who complains about not doing certain drills and
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I'm I'm not gonna do this, so I'm not gonna
do that. He went through all the processes at the combine.
He continues to impress. So everything I've seen on Spencer Ratler,
you know, this whole op season, like you're saying, has
just been a confirmation to me of what I saw
in those twenty nine games. This guy is hitting in
an upward trajectory towards the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,
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and I love him. I absolutely love him.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's Daniel Kelly, former New York Jets scout and opinionated
quarterback evaluator. So we'll get you on soon and during
next season for sure, but maybe before that, Daniel, great stuff, man,
we'll see if it pans out.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Son's good. Thank you so much for having me on
the show. And it's gonna be exciting to see what
happens in the draft, for sure. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yes, indeed, all right.
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Goal man.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Smile at you a kicker field goal. That's pretty good,
all right, that's right, it is good. Let's see it.
Let's hope the trash talkers are as good.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
All right.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I want to start with this one because I would
trash this one too. Let's go to MJ in New Orleans.
You're on the eye couple, MJ.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
What you got, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Fresh?
Speaker 10 (34:27):
I'm trashing mine of the game podcasts. Not only just
the trash, but put in the last field. But it's
que take on the most influential on the game of
basketball courting since so Lebron has been watching the Covenant.
Curry is anonymous with three pointers, but wasn't until around
the men twenty twenties because he dominated the offense before then.
(34:47):
It's frimalily shooting twos. Recently, Steph Curry picked Michael Jordan's
the one player he wished you got to play with.
Alan Iffinson credits Michael Jordan fronspiring him achieve in the
Most Colnorable Award. Wanted to actually be like Mike. The
ants to even Mitch and Michael. Jordan had his Basketball
Hall of the Family Ducks because Jordan is wild considered
(35:07):
the greatest player of all time. He revolutionized the game
with athleticism, skill and competitiveness. Stop the cat, thank you guys,
have a great show.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
All right.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I thought he was going to trash the concept that
Lebron and jaj Rittick started a podcast. We've got too
many podcasts out there, but listen to mine. Oh, let's
go to Mace in San Diego. You're on the a couple.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Tiger Woods. I don't understand the obsession with this guy.
This guy's left pestil so high they can do no
wrong despite committing adultery the adultry. This guy receives his
alarming people. He swings a skinny, crooked metal stick to
hit a little white ball. He's not during cancer, not
any world hunger, not following the inflation crisis, and definitely
did not discover anything groundbreaking. Let the laws of fernal dynamics.
(35:53):
Anybody the worst fan needs to get their life reevaluated.
Anyone that has enough time to watch this guy and
other people play that stupid waste of activity known his
DALF should consider getting a little bodomy. And why isn't
the idiots from the wolf Bomb compaining about the tournament
known as the Masters. Oh, we shouldn't call it the
Masters Tournament anymore? That what is so much negative connotations?
They changed to the Experts Tournament. I freaking hate those idiots.
(36:16):
We've already chieved names of two sports teams because those
wolk idiots, they're panties and a bunch. Because Tiger Woods
is such a nimble maniac. He's doing himself with disservice
by continuing to waste time with stupid golf when he
could easily just go into adult mimacting. Jardy has the
perfect name for the industry, having said that there's someone
right up your alley that you should co star and
all your all your films, you need to link up
with Sam Van Gundy Douppelganger, the famous adult male actor
(36:39):
Ron Jeremy.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
You know, you know, you know, if there's a hug
he's in San Diego. He probably had to deal with
some encroaching golf courses on his on his property.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Dennis an achron, you're on the aco. What what are
you trashing? Dennis?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, how do you follow a great, great guy like that?
Speaker 10 (36:58):
I just to say you, well, I love.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Doing a wonderful killer.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. No, And then we
got kind of a back and that you sound muffled.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and trash Dennis's cell phone carrier.
Let we're sorry about that, but let's go to Gary
in Houston. Let's what's what's Gary? What you trashing brother the.
Speaker 11 (37:21):
WNBA players for complaining about the faith. First of all,
all the players, by definite, are overpaid because the league
has never been profitable. Second of all, even though weight
gap has been debunked, it's nothing more than a myth
by something most brilliant mind by commons soul at Warren Ferrell.
You want to know what's even be very issued in
the so called weight gap between the NB and WNB.
The viewership gap, the lieutenant gap, the revenue gap, the
profit gap, and most importantly, the biological gap. The sad
(37:42):
reality is that the wnb's failure of the league apartmans product,
has been because women have truly failed to support it.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
All right, all right, mardon, I will say this, and
we we we don't probably really have much time for
another caller, but we can weigh in on what he said.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I will say this. Look, I'm glad there's a WNBA.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'm glad that, you know, American girls can grow up
and aspire to playing in the league of their own
here in America.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
A lot of them still go overseas too, but I'm
glad they have that here. But yeah, they're getting.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I don't know what their you know, collective bargain agreement is,
but they're getting the amount of money, and to be honest,
maybe more then.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
The sport is generating.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
NBA players make more than WNBA players because the sport generates.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
That much more. Sure, that's it now.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I know what the women's soccer players Team USA and
all that, that was unfair. They were generating more than
the men in some cases and not getting the money.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So that was unfair.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
But most in most of these professional sports, Martin, it's
you get the fair share of the money your sport generates.
Can't pay the WNBA women what you pay NBA men
when the sport's not coming close to generating that type
of money.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Also, to one gap he was off on, it might
be the viewership gap because the women's college basketball heads out.
I'm just saying, if it translates with these Caitlyn Clarks
of Angel Reeses.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And so on, we'll see. Well, we'll see. Yeah, I
mean I have my doubts.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Britney Grinder was a huge draw in college too, and
our left keep it locked.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
A couple
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