Can a Cheater Really be a GOAT?

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I'm gonna bring something else that might ruffle your feathers.

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Ain't gonna ruffle my feathers. My life is good, man,
I'm good. No matter what you say, Bill Belichick, I
just threw up in my mouth, just as I thought.
Bill Belichick said a few years ago, two thousand and nine,
to be exact, in the documentary of Football Life. You
know how they do those on the NFL. No, Yeah,
and he said that he doesn't see himself coaching into

(06:39):
his seventies, but he's changed his tune. You know. When
I said it, maybe I didn't know what seven he
felt like. So I'm not really sure if that's an
accurate statement today or No. I don't really know. At
the time, I didn't feel that way. Now that I'm
closer to that age, I don't know, he's six seven,

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So I think it's safe to say he will be
coaching well into his seventies. And I think that's a
great thing for football. Obviously, it's a great thing for
the Patriots, but it's also a great thing for football.
And here's why, Rod Parker. Bill Belichick, who last weekend
became only the third coach behind the legendary Don Shuler,

(07:25):
who has three hundred forty seven victories and George Hollis,
who has three hundred twenty four victories, became only the
third coach to win three hundred games in his career
and if he stays around, he'll pass Hollis and good
chance he'll pass Don Shuler too, depending on how long

(07:46):
he stays and Rob Park I think it is great
for football and it's fans because Bill Belichick is the
greatest football coach in NFL history. He's the goat. And
I'm sorry to break that to you. I know you're
gonna try to argue it, and you know you have

(08:09):
you this magging. He's the best coach in NFL history
and you just got to deal with it. And he's
not going anywhere. Are you done, He's not going anywhere.
Are you done? Yeah? I'm done. This is the thing
that kills me about guys like Chris Broussard, guys like
because there are a lot, there are a lot of you. Really, Yeah,

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he has the biggest warts and the history of sports,
Bill bell history. Yes, he does. The largest ball. You had,
You had, George should you had? George? Looking at Ard
to me right now, Listen to me, Fox, listen to me.
Listen to me. This is not about being in the
Hall of Game, Alex r. This is not being in

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the Hall of Fame. Pipe down, I'm David ChRI They
got one. Bill Belichick is the biggest cheater in the
history of sports, and it's documented no other coach cheating,
No other coach in the NFL was fined a half
a million dollars, right like Bill Belichick was. That was

(09:15):
for Spy Gade when he was warned by the league
not an OT to record other team's defensive signals. Right,
he got caught for that. There's so much. His own disciple,
Eric Mangini, pulled back the blanket. It was filthy, Yes,

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Bill Belichick, Bag, it's filthy. That's coming. We don't regny it.
Tell us that we degny it. And you have the
nerve to want to lift this guy and pass him
over Don Shula and guys who didn't write Don Shula,
who had an undefeated season and won the championship, who

(10:02):
didn't lose in the big game. Bill Belichick the greatest,
be quiet, Chris Boussa, this is my stage. He is
nig is sullied. He's talking about fifty your stages filth. No,
Bill Belichick's stages, his career sullied, and he cannot an OT.
You don't want to represent, you don't want to recognize

(10:24):
Barry Bonds. I you do know that's the hip hop.
Hear me the situation. I didn't say he's the greatest
player ever? Yeah, but is he Chris? Who's better listen
to me? Who's better listen to me? You cannot act
like none of this went on. And wait until the end,
and wait until the real story and book comes out.

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You'll go back in history and you'll go wow. I
didn't realize what the Patriots were up to between Spygate,
the flame Gate, all the other things that they've done.
And of all people, I don't even need to see
anything else. Eric Mangini, who was in under the belly
of this beast who came He was one of the

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eggs hatched by Bill Belichick. He's the one. It wasn't
an outsider, was an insider who was there for the
whole thing and said, how dare you cheat me? I
know what you do. That's why Bill Belichick can never, ever, ever, ever,

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ever be considered the greatest coach of all time. You
want to put him in the Hall of Fame, you
want to run throw him a parade, fine, but how
can you put him with the ranks of Lombardi and
Shula and guys like that. I would take Bill parcels
any day over Bill Belichick. The guy is a convicted

(11:52):
by the NFL cheater, Tom Brady convicted Cheetah went for
the flat gate. That franchise is riddled with questions. That's
why people don't give it what it deserves with all
the winning gets done because it's been done not the
correct way. That's why people don't respect the Patriots the

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way that they should be. Who are these people? Who
are these people? How? Oh it sounds nice? Give him me,
give him my hand, give him the applause. It sounded
all nice until we bring it to baseball. No, we're
not gonna see we can't. We want to cheating baseball.

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I want you to talk about you can't want you
to talk about mister moral. I want you to, mister
do it the right way, Chris. I want you healing
signs is ain't and form in baseball. I want Chris, no,
why do you wh I want you to. I want
you to respond to Eric man Gen and then I

(13:00):
talk respond to respond cheated, respond to it. I das
he cheated for the whole twenty five years. I don't
think so, Yes he did. I'll do about There's no
doubt in my mind, your mind, but anybody else? Why
is everybody else walking around calling him to go? You
know what they say, Once a god cheats on his wife.
Once a cheetah, always a cheated. You're gonna tell me

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those are the only two times he cheated? Oh yeah, please,
because he got away with it and it helped him win.
You and what we say, we talk about when that
book comes out comes out. Hey, if the book comes
out I'll take all his back. If a book comes
out saying his whole career was a force and he cheated,

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I'll gladly join you. But until then, he cheated twice.
That's it. And he's been the nine Super Bowls in
twenty five. Can't take a case for God? Who's known?
You're doing the cheetah? What about Barry bod You don't
want to talk baseball? Can I tell you that us?
He never got caught. Here's the Oh, there it is.

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What's the differences? And Build Belichick? No, you know you
didn't go whole. Build Belichick to the magazine got caught.
You said, his whole career. There's no doubt in your mind.
There's no doubt in I just no doubt. But I'm
marrying down your minded Barry by set, not his whole career.
Belichick didn't do it his own career. We don't know
that Barry Bonds never tested positive. Chris, Ever, that's not

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the point. Oh now, point boy Bill got caught. Not
the point Bill got caught the largest fine in the
history of the NFL. If you got the larger in
the history of the NFL, and you want to rape
cross that guy, though, and you consider you want to
prop them up, that's special set across the board. Be

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consistent with with your baseball cats. I eat a brand
muffin every morning. I'm very consistent at seven been seven
ninety nine or Fox, is Bill Belichick the goat? Or
is he just a cheater who's not that good of

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since they've lost. You want to make another prediction, and
you know what, what's funny is that they haven't guaranteed
them another Super Bowl. Haven't played an NFL team since
that day. That's what we're still weighting. No, not even
Craig Melvin laughed, laughing anything. I think he's on breaking.
Let's go to the kids. Busy's sucking up to somebody else.

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Eighty seven seven ninety nine on Fox. All right, what
do you think about Belichick the goat or the goat right,
because goat used to have a negative meaning. Don't forget
that one. So what do you think? Let's start with
Andre in Massachusetts. Andre, you're on with christ and Rob.
How are you guys doing? Thanks for taking my call. Yeah,
Belichick kids are most certainly football coach of all time.

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It's not really that much indispute, And I'm gonna tell
you why. It's because of the longevity of the greatness
first three super Bowls as we know, two oh four,
oh five. But then you got a ten year gap
in between dynasties, the last three fifteen, seventeen, and nineteen,
and he's in the mix to get a couple more
so in terms of Belichick, Yes, you can go back
to Spygate, but that's the first dynasty. Well, let me

(17:23):
ask you this. Obviously, I agree with you Andre. I
think his record is indisputable. Rob's argument seems to be
the cheating. Now, how do you what do you think
about that? How do you overlook that? Oh, it's a
definite standard legacy. Okay, then that's I'm glad you say.
It's just staying there. It is there, It's there. And

(17:44):
I'm calling from you know, calling from the Cape. You know,
so I'm very close to Title town. This is Patriots Nation,
even though I'm coming from the tri State. Are so
why i was born so I didn't grow up in it.
But facts are facts, and when you're right for rights,
the man and his all right, Andre, thanks for the call,
appreciate it all right. I just I don't know how
people can say there's a stain on your legacy and
then elevate you to the best ever. I just I

(18:07):
just have a problem stain. Yeah, but if you have
a stain on your legacy, it's a big state. It depends, Chris,
it depends a lot of people got stains on. Some
people have a stain under their arms and some people
have one of them behind behind them. There's a bigger
stain one does. One smells worse than the other one,
and one is messy. Anthony, Anthony in Illinois, you're the

(18:29):
Fox Sports Radio. Thank you. I'm a huge fan. And
I still got to say, even though we beat all
of our guys all those years, um just he was
he only doesn't win, might have cheated, but he still

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wins even after the cheating. But the cheating doesn't bother you.
So if you he we would know, okay, would you
know you would marry? Hey, Anthony, if you would get
married then you were dating a girl and you know
she was a cheater, you would you would overlook that
right and say she's still the best woman out there
for me no matter what. Anthony, don't even want I

(19:11):
want him two different things. When you answer about Barry Bonds,
Anthony will ask about the different thing about that Barry
Bonds has never been caught. Do you think all the
tests that he took, Anthony, do you differin be cheated?
Bill Belichick has the largest fine of any coach. It
costs his team draft picks too, has he been and

(19:33):
the early Super Bowls? And he has a he has
a quarterback who cheated as well, so that that hurts
him as well. Let's go to Sean and Sacramento. Sean,
you're on with christ and Robb My guys, man, happy,
be happy, trash talking to be trash talking? Thank you?
What's happening? But you know I got to get on
you a little bit, rob because what do sports and

(19:54):
in and out Burger have in common? Both the cheese
is hot, man? You come on, man talking about that stuff.
Name me one goal who didn't get called cheating using
stick him Joe Montana. Joe Montana, give me, give me
Joe Montana. Uh scandal Outwait Joe Montana. Wait wait, Notice

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how big he is when he comes. He doesn't want
to talk about no eleven touchdowns, no picks, three m
vps and two of the Super Bowls. He didn't have
Adam Venetarry to kick a field goal. He need best,
He needed a touchdown if he got shortstop? Ever, who
are you talking about? I'm asking you who's the best

(20:43):
shortstop ever? Um Ajie Smith? Who's the best third baseman ever?
And be that guy sitting up on the you said,
even the best shortstop ever? Alex he played short until
he went to the Yankees. Yeah, but that's not That's
not the greatest of all times. I'm talking about the
greatest coach of all time. You can't have such a

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greatest such I have ever seen, right, But that doesn't
mean that because we have ever seen. But that doesn't
mean period. You're not talking about that you've ever seen.
You I can argue is the greatest baseball player, and
a lot of people could argue that Willie Mays and
Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth were just as great. I mean, well,
you don't see the argue well, but but you could

(21:24):
say that. It's hard for you to say that when
you didn't see those guys played. Well, we haven't seen everybody,
say Dan's see all the guys, you know, George Mike
in But the league, Russell, the league compared to the
NBA's how old, compared to baseball or baseball. He didn't
have blacks in it when Babe Ruth played. That's right,
So that mark against him. No, you could you could
use that, and I wouldn't argue against it. But it

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doesn't mean that Hank Garon or Babe Ruth. I mean
Hank Aaron or a Willie Mays wasn't better. Let's go
to Brendon in Massachusetts. Brendon, you're on with Chris and Robb. Hello, yes, hey,
thanks taking my call. Guys. Um all well, first thing
I want to say is putting inside the eye test. Um,

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because the eye test Loan tells says Belichick is the
greatest of all time. But all I'll say is, look,
the one the one way that winning counteracts cheating is
that it proves that if you would have won without
the cheating, all right, and that's what ever sin spy
Gate happened twelve years ago, if you want to count

(22:30):
r deflate, if you want to count the flight Gate, okay,
in twenty fourteen. All they've done since then is go
to four Super Bowls when three of them Okay, So
it's counters cheating, cheating. He's still cheating a brand. Know.
The reason you can't elevate him to the greatest ever

(22:52):
is that he did cheat during his tenure. That's the problem.
But he and the younger guys who's better than him
cheating that he's winning. Other guys doing it without free
aj they didn't cheat, kept doing it around all over
to Don Shula and Vince. When you kept your player,

(23:12):
they didn't cheat. I would take those guys as the
greatest of all time. Over your players didn't go anywhere.
Once you got them, you have them, all right. The
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The NFL on Fox host none other than the great
Kirk Menifee. Kurt Kirk him to the eye couple, what's up?
You don't have Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy there with you? No,
I certainly don't. Okay, that's what I'm just making I
might have Eddie Rock, Chris Kurt. Kurt was doubled over

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from laughing so much that he thought that's what it was, Kurt,
you know. And Rob's gonna do a stand up here
in La. We trying to figure out one, but I can't.
I'm gonna be there right in the front front right. Yeah,
he's he's battling because you gotta keep it clean to
keep his job. So his stuff is ran because you're there.
That's why he's gotta keep clean. Yeah right, I'm I'm
miss conscious. Give give me your best joke right now.

(24:42):
He don't have any clean ones. I'm telling you the
good ones, Kurt, I can't use on the air. I'm
still working and get fired or the clean what do
you mean good ones? You can't. So if you can't
use the good ones, what are you saving? Yeah? He's red,
he's more red fox bad. Yeah, Mom's may believe you
know what not to get off subject, but we'll talk

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whatever you guys want. But have you seen Doldamite yet?
I did see it. I watched it, uh Saturday. I
liked it. What did you think? I did too. I
thought it was really good. Were you were really into Dolomite? Like,
I mean I was aware of you, right yeah? So
I mean I remember hearing of thy right, yeah exactly.

(25:25):
But it was a really I thought the story was well.
First half hour you kind of like, okay, where's this going?
About the end you really really like him and it
so I was very pleasing. I agree. I loved it.
It was interesting because and it would get off it
from here, but he was nothing in real life. He
was nothing like Dolomite, right right, And that was interesting.

(25:46):
He was like character right right, And you see a
lot of that in hip hop. A lot of the
gangsters and playboys and on the mic are really not
like that in real life. And it was the same
thing with it. But great movie, guys, you brought that up.
Like I tell people, he looks Bradshaw's kind of the same.
I mean, look, Bradshaw is who he is. I'm not

(26:06):
saying he's acting. Roy Gronk is like that too. They're
not acting. That's who they are, but they play up
that aspect of their personality and it almost becomes this character.
But that's who you know, and that's what you think.
But you guys have been around. If you sit around
and talk to Terry Bradshaw, he's not a dumb hill building.
But that's the character he plays because it works for him. Yeah. Nah,
that's that's real. That's real. All right, let's go here, Kurt.

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When we talk to the NFL, the Jets, now they've
got some issues now. Jamal Adams is upset because he
was shocked or at least you know, on the market
and the Jets had told him he wasn't getting traded.
He said he didn't want to get traded. They apparently
open the trade. And Levian Bell do you think that
they are really beginning to mess things up with the

(26:50):
way they're handling their best players. You know, I don't.
I wouldn't say that. I mean, I look at those two.
There's two different situations. One, if you ask me, I
build my defense around Jamal Adams from here till the
end of time. Not just because I think he's one
of the best safeties in football, but he's the kind
of guy you want in the locker room. He's the
kind of attitude, he's the kind of player you need

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on that am. He's the other kind of guy that
other guys revolve around. So I would say him on
defense and darn on offense, those are the guys that
would build around and never get rid of. Levion's a
little bit different situation that he's come in. I don't
think they're gonna be good enough to get the best
out of him for certainly not this year and maybe
not even next year, as long as they have offensive

(27:32):
line issues. And you gotta remember the gym that came in.
Joe Douglas came in in June, so he wasn't a
guy who decided to give him the biggest contractor running
backs ever had and all that and not saying that.
He probably doesn't think he's good, but he's like, Okay,
this is not the guy that's gonna kill my cap
that I can't play, you know with behind this line
for a while, So why should I keep him. Let's
move him on, and maybe we all benefit better for it,

(27:55):
for him playing somewhere else and for them getting some
capital leaves. So I look at him at two different situations.
But your bigger question about messing it up, I don't
think so. I think what happens is we live in
a society now, and this is the NFL and all
sports and all media, where every conversation is reported by someone,
and rightfully so, because everybody wants it out. Ages wanted out.

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The team that's trying to acquire wanted out because they
wanted to look like, hey, we're thinking about making moves
in the deadlines. And so if someone calls you and says, hey,
we will give you. You know, the reports that I've
seen at least have been the Cowboys offered a first
round and a fourth or fifth, well you gotta listen.
But they turned it down, so obviously they wanted that
interested in taking that. So listening to someone offer you

(28:38):
something versus openly shopping or two different things. But by
the time it comes out as a story, it's this
person is available, that person is available, So the conversations
don't necessarily mean people are available. And I think the players,
it's it's hard at the moment because we all want
to be happy and stay where we are if we're happy,
and so it hurts your feelings, but you know, it's
a business. In the end, I think everything will be

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I really do. Where are you on the Browns? We
know they have a second half schedule, which is easier
than the first, but Baker Mayfield has regressed and just
hasn't played well. I even with an easier schedule, I'm
not so sure. I didn't pick them to make the playoffs.
Everybody was caught. You didn't either, Okay, everybody else, And
I think they're Look here we are at the mid

(29:22):
season point. I mean they played seven of their sixteen
so less than mid seasons for them. But I remember
saying all along and like you do interviews, they're in
training camp and you talk to people, they're an eight
and eighteen, maybe nine and seven. You know that means
you get a break in one game that you know,
probably wouldn't have the same record, so and I think
that's about where they're going to finish up. You know,
I think the people looked at them. They weren't even

(29:42):
five hundred last year. There were seven, eight and one,
and they jumped on this bandwagon because we liked shiny
new toys. Yes, and you know, they could win eight
games this year, which is more games than they won
last year. But people will look at it as a
disappointment because of the expectations. And I do believe the
Browns bought in the sum of that as well as
far as the players and people there in the organization.
But I do think their schedule softens up in the

(30:04):
second half of the year. I don't think they're so
beat down that they can't bounce back. They'll win two
or three in a row and then all of a sudden,
their confidence in their swagger will be back. And I
do think by the time you get down at the
end of the season, they'll be seven to nine, eight
and eight, right about where we expected Kurt lasting from us.
We're at the midway point of the season right now.
Who would you be your MVP? Ah, here's an unconventional

(30:28):
one who will never get the votes. But I'd make
an argument for Teddy Bridgewater Wow, keeping that team afloat.
I'm telling you, I mean, you know, not just playing
playing well and not only losing games, but as far
as the guys who will really get the votes, I
have a hard time not saying Russell Wilson right now,
you know, I mean, you take him off that Seahawks team,

(30:50):
and you talk about valuable. If you take him off
that Seahawks team, I don't know if they're five hundred squad,
and with them they'll be above five hundred. They've got
a chance to win the division. He's playing the best
football of his eight year career. He's always healthy, he's
always there, and I think those things matter for something. Yeah,
mine would be Aaron Rodgers. The way he's played and

(31:11):
especially now the last two weeks. Right, it's hard to
vote against him, right right? All right, that's Kurt Menifee NFL.
On Kurt, how long have you been at Fox with
the NFL football, Because of course I remember you the
channel five days in New York. How long has it
been now? Well, I've been in the studio. This is
my fourteenth season. Wow, And uh I started doing games

(31:36):
in ninety seven, oh twenty plus. That's unbelievable. Why it's
amazing I can do that and still be only twenty
eight years old. I know you are, and we all
are in that same boat. Thanks, great stuff, man, keep
up the great work. Sorry, I spent so much time
with Dolo Mike. No, no, that was good. That was all. Yeah,

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That's my main question as we head into Games six
of the World Series between the Houston Astros, who are
up three games to two over the Washington Nationals. Rob,
I wonder, Look, obviously, they're professional baseball players. They're great,

(33:02):
They've had a great season, they're somewhat confident. But what
I want to know is when you were up two oh,
and obviously you didn't you know, totally feel like you
had it one, but you were very comfortable and you
felt you were in total control of the World Series
and you're going home, and then you lose three straight

(33:24):
at home. Not two of three, they could have lived
with two of three, but you lose three straight at home.
Where do you think the Nationals are mentally Well, of
course they're beat up, and they think that they've they've
you know, opened the door to losing a World Series.
I mean, it's just there's no way that you can

(33:45):
not think that you were up to Oh, you won two,
you beat there two aces on the road. Okay, you
can't get any better than that. So you beat the
two aces on the road and you come home and
you lay a total leg. And when I say but
a total leg, not only just that they lost three games.
They scored three runs in three games. That's that's where
you're not even competitive. So now the only thing is

(34:08):
the only thing in baseball. There is no momentum. Your momentum.
It proves it, and this proves it both ways because
they should have been dead, right, the Astros should have
been dead. You know what the momentum is your starting pitcher.
If Strasburg goes out tonight and gives them seven or
eight short, scoreless innings and you scored three runs, you

(34:29):
you're back in it. Do you see what I'm saying.
It really comes down to your starting pitcher. If Verlander,
who struggled right in the World Series, Okay, if Verlander
gives up a four spot in the first inning, everybody
will be deflated on the Astros, right, and then you'll go,
oh wow, maybe maybe Washington's gonna win the last It

(34:49):
really is about the starting pitcher, it really is. Do
you think the Nationals relaxed? Oh no, okay, I don't
believe they just got beat. It's a team on paper,
Chris we I told you this over and over. I
picked the Nationals off my gut. On paper, I picked

(35:10):
the Asturals are the better team. Right, one hundred and
six wins. They won US World Series two years ago.
They got three ace pitchers. Right, I'm on paper they're
the better team. It was more shocking not that they
won three games in a row. It was more shocking
that Washington won the first two games beating their races. Well,
what I'll say is this, if you're the Nationals, as

(35:33):
great as Max Scherzer is on that staff, there's no
one I'd rather have going to the mound. Steven Straussburg. Yes, tonight,
he's the guy you can't worry about Game seven because
you gotta win Game six. Right, he's four and old.
In this postseason, he's been unbelievable. Right, he's five and
two overall in the postseason in his career when it's

(35:55):
one point three four e R eight, which is like
the third lowest in the history of base ball. Yeah,
So Scherzer, we know, hasn't been He's not been Clayton
Kershaw bad in the postseason, but he certainly hasn't been
as good as he is in the regular season. So yeah,
they got a great chance tonight of doing something special
and forcing the Game seven. I hope it's a great game. Yeah,

(36:18):
either way, it would be great. I would love for
them to force the game seven and then win or
take off. Then I would love to see that. It'd
be more exciting. For for excitement sake, I'm with you,
but for Geordan's sake. Yeah, I want them to blow
him out like ten seven and we can play him

(36:38):
and you know you can have my Jordan's here tomorrow.
I don't know the day you can go and get
I got work to do it, you know, I teach
at USC during the day tomorrow. Yeah, I'm teaching. You.
Got a lunch break, I'm run to the mall. I
might get you those teams, George, if if I have
to run to them all during the break. You don't
want that, dude, You no, no, no, no, I want

(36:59):
real Who together? Who's the MVP? I don't have the
status two? Breman? Who Breman's lately he was struggling. Uh,
that's a good question. Us, Who's the MVP? If the
World Series ends tonight? Gus is a big baseball fan.

(37:23):
He's all intern. Who's he says Bregman? Yes, really thought
he came on right, he had the grand so he
had he had two home runs? Right? Bregman could be
the MVP two. Yeah, so he could be. I mean
MVP season, right, he's in the middle of a year.
That would be wow. Okay, if they win it, where
are you putting them all time? Well, not on your

(37:43):
radar yet not wine. They would need to win two more.
To me, that would make him a dynamic. If you
win three in a row, Chris, or three out of four,
to me, that's a dynasty. I can live with that
because it's like the Spurs who never won back to back.
That's the only thing is that they never won back
to back. They won, and they were good for a

(38:04):
long time, but they won what five championships stretched out
over fifteen years or whatever it was. Do you see
what I'm saying? A dynasty to me is you dominated
for three years? Cowboys won three out of four, Yankees
won three three in a row, and four out of five.
Do you know that? That to me is a dynasty. Yeah,

(38:24):
four years seems very short, or three years to call
it a dynasty. Three in a row, three straight, that's different. Yeah, three,
I'm saying three in a row, right, Yeah, that's a dynasty,
a mini dynasty, all right? The eye couple two hours remaining,
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(39:50):
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(40:12):
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or my Twitter. All right, Rob, Speaking of trash talk,
there's been some chirping going on in Cleveland now. They
lost their fifth game in seven outings on Sunday. Odell

(41:15):
Beckham Junior, who I guess a lot of people would
say Stefind Gilmore, who's playing like he might be the
best cornerback in the league. He held ob J down.
Ob J really was not a factor. Five catches fifty
two yards right right. And here's what Obj said about it.
I just felt like we didn't challenge as much as

(41:36):
we could have. I think we kind of shied away
from it. I was expecting and looking forward to it,
but that wasn't the case today. We had a couple
of plays, but for whatever reason, we didn't do as
much challenging as we talked about. Other than that, whatever
came my way pretty much I caught. In other words,
don't blame me. Whatever opportunities I had, I made the

(41:59):
most of them. You can only control what you can control. Well.
Freddie Kitchens, the beleaguered head coach of the Cleveland Browns,
responded on Monday. Here's what he said. That's right, he said. Quote.
Odell had seven balls thrown at him. He caught five
of them. I'm not responding to that. We need to
win a football game. That's what I'm worried about. End quote.

(42:23):
I gotta be honest, right, I think I like I
don't know if Freddy's going back it O b J,
but I think I like that comment. He didn't entertain
it too much. He didn't get caught up in a
you know, back and forth. I know the media may
make it out to be that. He just stayed a
matter of factly. He has seven balls on his way.

(42:44):
He caught five. He didn't say that was he should
have caught all seven. He didn't say he was outstanding
or he was poor. He just stated the fact. He said,
I'm not getting into it. We need to win a
football game. That's what I'm worried about. As much as
I think Freddie Kitchen should be on the hot seat,

(43:04):
I think he handled that the right way. I didn't
like it. I think he could have easily said, this
guy's one of the best receivers in the league. We
need to utilize him more. Five catches fifty two yards
is not gonna win you a football guy. I'm just
I'm not I'm just that's what I would like to
hear is that we're not using our people. We have
talent on this team, We're not getting the best out

(43:26):
of them. That's why we're not winning. Look at the
numbers across the board. We have two star receivers, they
have two touchdown basically, that's way them. That's to me,
that would have been like either throwing Baker Mayfield or No,
I'm talking about you and your coaches. He's the guy
I'm telling I'm telling you really have to go all

(43:46):
that far? Yeah, that that we're not getting the best
out of our players. Yeah, because because otherwise, why do
you have to bring up We could look at the
stat sheet and tell us what he just told us.
That's no comment. I don't need. I don't need to
say that. I don't. You don't need I say that.
It would be a bigger story. No, I'm just saying that.
I think that that's owning it. I'm we gotta get

(44:09):
more out of him. It's a waste that we may
for him. Do you think we're not utilizing him correctly?
Do you think part of that's on me? If he
said that, do you think part of their problem because
I and we don't know, we're not in there, but
it looks like a lack of authority, like they're undisciplined.

(44:29):
According to Baker Mayfield, according to their penalties. According to
their penalties tell you that, right, they're undisciplined. That is
a coach who seems like he doesn't have control of
the team. Maybe he's been kissing the backsides of the
big personalities of the superstar celebrity receivers and other players

(44:50):
and so now I thought this was a matter of fact.
He didn't rip him, but he said, I'm not responding
to that. We got a football game to win. That's
what this is about. And I'm not gonna see the
praises of Freddie Kitchens pride because, as I said, this
year is your tryout year as far as I'm concerned,
because we know you have the talent. Can you get

(45:10):
the most out of it? And I'm gonna say this
right now, right am I saying? That? Definitely gonna make
the players I predicted it. Obviously there backs are against
the wall, but I don't think the season is over.
They're two and five in a bad division. The best
team in the division, the Baltimore Ravens. They went into

(45:32):
their house, into their living room and smack them around.
So what's the thing. They can't do that in Cleveland
in the land because you have a quarterback who's playing poorly,
and you can playing poorly when they beat them, and
you could. You can look at three thirteam, look look
at anything you want to do, and you could work

(45:54):
it that way and talk about the schedule. I don't
feel confident in that team at all. They haven't done
enough for me to believe that they're gonna run some
table and they're going to uh waltson to the playoffs.
Kurt Menefee said it best. He didn't pick them for
the playoffs. I didn't pick them for the plaoffs because
I thought they would be seven to nine or eight
and eight. They wouldn't beat it. They wouldn't be good

(46:14):
enough to make the playoffs. And to win the division,
you need to win ten games. They're not winning ten games.
They could lee. Here's the schedule, rop I know what
the schedule of Broncos without Joe Flacco. The Bills, anybody
in love with the Bills? The Steelers twice, Steelers one
less took it took every ounce that they want to lose,

(46:36):
less of ability that they had to beat the woeful,
tanking Miami Dolphins. Speaking of the Dolphins, they're on the schedule,
the Bengals twice, who are horrible and just bitch Dandy
Dalton on his birthday. Doesn't get any worse than that.
The Cardinals who are struggling, struggling, struggling mightily struggle. And

(46:59):
then they got the Ravens, who again are beatable. I'm
just saying, now here's my biggest concern about the Browns.
I'm gonna keep it real. It's not that they are
they capable of beating these teams, because rob other than
the opening Night lost to the Titans, which was a
complete embarrassment. They lost to the Rams coming off of

(47:21):
Super Bowl. They lost to the forty nine ers undefeated,
They lost the Seattle, one of the best teams in
the NFL, and they lost to the undefeated New England Patriots.
So they lost the teams that are better than them period.
Then I think they haven't lost to anybody. I mean,
the Titans, whatever, they beat the jack they beat the race.

(47:43):
Just think it's too simplistic to just say like they
are like they don't have enough talent to beat some
a good team. I mean, I die, I'm saying that,
but they have those teams are good teams. And if
these good teams, would you say, well, then they're not
playing up to their ability. So they should win both
games against the Bank. I mean, not automatically, it's the NFL,

(48:05):
you gotta play, but that they should say the Cowboys
should have beat the winless Jets, right, so the Cowboys
are no good? No, because the Cowboys smacked around your Eagles.
But in the lifetime, isn't that what at the Jets? No,
that's my point is that it's the NFL. You can't
take anybody lightly easy. No, it's not. I'm not saying
it is. But I'm saying the schedule is favorable. That's

(48:27):
all I'm saying. I'm not predicting that they're about to win,
win out and make the playoffs. I'm just saying the
schedule is easy and they've got talent. Here's my biggest
concern about them. If they win three straight, if they

(48:48):
win the next three, do they have the maturity to
handle it. That's my question. I'm concerned about that. If
they win three straight, well, they stick out their chest
and say we've arrived. We're about to make the playoffs
and let up and lose to a team the Yeah,

(49:09):
that's a good question. But I don't know about that.
I don't I don't know where they'll go from there.
I just don't feel good about I just don't feel
confident about where they are. And and I get it
look bad, right, And I get it, Chris, I'm not.
I'm not saying that they can't win. The schedule is favorable,
but I don't think they're gonna be able to win

(49:31):
it the clip that they need to because of the
hole that they've dug themselves in. If you were if
they went, think about it, if they went now getting
this is a big if, I know, but eight and
one where they are though, But would you would you agree? Though?
The teams they've lost too are good. Seattle does forty

(49:54):
nine Ers, the Patriots. I mean, those teams are just
better right now. The Rams. Everybody told me that they
were for sure. That I just think from from people
who picked them to go to the super Bowl and
win the division and all kinds of stuff to now
they can't win anything other than be bad teams. That's
what that was my issue. When I play beat the Ravens,

(50:16):
that was my issue with them from last year. That
was my big issue. All Right, we will see do
the Cleveland Browns still have a realistic shot at making
the playoffs? You're turned away in eight seven, seven ninety
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(50:37):
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one nothing. Washington rendome with an a RBI single off
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(51:47):
two outs. But they scored only one game one run
in each of the last three games, so this is
a good sign. They got one run already in the
first day. What is up with Verlander? It's just just
one nothing, I know, but I'm does the first any
I know. But he's struggled. He's struggled, struggling he is,
I mean, he struggled in the world. Just then, I

(52:09):
need those Jordans. I want those Jordans. Are you happy?
Retro Jordan? That's only what's he got? One? All right?
One nothing? Washington Nationals going to the Astros. Let's do something,
all right, all right, let's get to the cars. Eight
seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven, seven, nine

(52:31):
nine six sixty three sixty nine. Are the Browns done?
Are they about to go on a nice little run
and try to get themselves in the playoff race? Let's
start with Marty and River from Kentucky. Marty, welcome to
the Eye couple. What what's up? Man? I just want
to say, first of all, the latest fifty first birthday Chris,

(52:55):
thank you, Marty. I appreciate that. After I got off
the phone yesterday, Rivers said for God to tell Christmas
out that the birthday he made me feel bad. I said,
thank you, and I forgive him for ripping me last week.
And Marty, hey, yeah, River is getting something very special.
We need to talk, so okay, we will okay on

(53:16):
the subject at hand. The Cleveland Clowns, I'm gonna say
they were done before the season got started. They got
a diva at wide receiver, they got a diva at quarterback.
And Freddy Kitchens is probably being smart because he's avoided
He's probably trying to avoid the drama if their quarterback responds,
because you know he's not going to respond positively like
Kirk Cousins did in his situation where his receivers just

(53:40):
straight caught him out. They didn't kind of halfway call
him out. They just straight caught him out and he
responded to cause me and he's looking great ever since.
And I just don't have those kind of positive addicants
on the Cleveland Brown. That's a good They did straight
out call Kirk Cousins out, and if they had done
that to Baker. I will give you na. If they
did that to Baker, it'd be chaos. And you know what,

(54:02):
and he responded, didn't he? He did respond? He responding
to him. I like Kirk Cousins as a as a
as a man, so I hope he continues and has
this great year. I'm not that well. The Jewey's is
always out until he can do it in the postseason
against good team. And that's what he has to overcome
because they just his record just has to He's like

(54:23):
Matt Stafford, it just had to happen good. What about
Ben and Oregon. You're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Ben? Um? I gotta say, I
think the Browns is gonna make the playoffs. You've already
talked about the Browns schedule, which is easy. The Ravens
schedules even it's like way tougher. They got the Patriots. Still,
they still gotta play the Rams. They still gotta play
um well, forty nine ers undefeated. Of course they had

(54:44):
to play the Browns again. It's already lost to no.
I think that's a great play out A quarterback who's
the Ravens aren't world beaters Ben. You're absolutely right. I
mean again, the Browns already beat him. And I'm not
saying the Browns are great and they're playing good football.
They're not. But if you look at the teams they've
lost to their good teams, and they look at the schedule.

(55:05):
Now I'm with you, I'm so so as soon as
they lose to a bad team, you guys will call
up and go see the Vega mayvill st I to
the brow I was rung. Just admit you were wrong
about them making them win the division, right, No, I
had them making the playoffs as a wild card and
it was the other team you had win in the division. Okay,
so you're gonna be wrong twice, the same way you

(55:26):
had the Jets. But you were one in six Jets.
Where you're wrong, twine tire who saw this world twice?
The one in six Jets who were shot. How in
the world did you come up with that one? How
did you come up with the Cleveland Browns? You got
the talent you had to go to the AC championship game,
didn't you. At least the Browns have talent championship leads.

(55:47):
I can rationalize the Browns picks how do you rationalize
the Jets. You were that confident in l and uh,
what's his name? Levian Bell no arging three point two
yards of camera. Thought he would open it up. I
didn't know the quarterback would get mono, Max and Georgia.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up,
my guys. I just wanted to say, I think it's

(56:09):
a it's a cluster altogether, top to bottom. I mean,
you look at the numbers. Mayfield nineteenth and passing six touchdowns,
definitely not good enough with the weapons. But you look
at Jackson, Brissette, Garoppolo, Bridgewater all behind him. The difference
is their teams and their coaches set them up for success.
They got players, they got the coaching, they some of
them have good ownership. Having said that, I think, top

(56:31):
down the bottoms, it's just a big mess. And I
want to say I want the NFL to do more
like the NBA, take the top six teams of each
of each conference and set them off in the playoffs.
I'm tired of division winners getting lucky getting the buys.
The Patriots all the time getting the buys. It makes
me six. I hear you on that, and so you
want to change the format And I didn't say that,

(56:52):
I said I hear you on that. I get Max,
you want to change the format of the playoffs. If
they're changing, what's the purpose of the regular season if
you don't get a benefit from it? Well, no, Chris,
Like the difference would be like you see the divisional games.
You know, you give the edge, Like right now, if
the if the Panthers edge out the Saints, or excuse me,
a bad example, if if the Eagles edge out the Cowboys,

(57:14):
the Cowboys will still get the tie because they beat
him that you know earlier on the season. That's what
I'm talking about, Just stuff like that. I want to
see the top best teams in the playoffs. That's what
I want to see. Okay, all right, yeah, I thanks Max.
I think they have a shot, Rob, That's all I'm saying.
And speaking of a shot, the Astros, they jumped on

(57:36):
Strassburg in a hurry. Who was that with the double Springer? Springer, Yeah,
Chris Springer with the double Now Jose All to a
three to sixty in the World Series. No homers, though,
that's why you give the edge to Uh. Yeah, you
know what I him. I know he's had a big,
big but if no home much or any rbs, it

(57:58):
would be hard for him to win. But in the
postseason altogether, he's hitting three fifty three fifty three and
five homers. How about that? This dude, there's been so
many home runs that just that it just seems weird. Yeah,
so we got a tie game in the first inning. Yeah,
all right, I can't believe even throw it home. Okay,

(58:19):
let's squeeze one more in Tim and Ohio, you're in
the eye couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tim? Hey,
how you guys doing. I respect your professional opinions that
you guys to give out, and I'd like to say,
if they can, they can just get by all the
people like you know, the Mayfield he's saying this, and
then Odell Beckham saying this, and then play football man.
Concentrate on your job, what you're supposed to be doing,

(58:40):
and you know, maybe they'd be a little bit better.
And that penalties, it kills them. You know, they do right.
And Tim, thanks for the nice words, but you're right,
Penalties just take you out of it, and it races.
Big plays put you in holes. It's that's that's bad coaching,
that's undisciplined. Players have to know if I do something,
I'm coming out right. No, there's no doubt when you

(59:03):
look at coaching, a couple of the things you look.
Obviously you look at execution, but execution manifests itself in penalties,
bad execution and turnovers. And the Browns are are tops
in the league in both right up there, and so
that points to Freddie Kitchens. But like I said yesterday,

(59:23):
I would give Kitchens this season unless they learn lose
like four or five straight or something and you just
get rid of him the seasons over. But I would
give him this season. You've got an easy stretch of
games coming up. We'll see if they win them. But
if he can't get this talented team to do something
against this schedule, then you gotta go well, because coaches

(59:44):
are too big in the NFL. The right coach can
turn you around in a season. And the other thing
is there's no five year plans over Those days are
long gone. And if you're not, if you're not a
part of the solution, you're part of the problem. And and
and that's why guys don't get who is the coach
that they that they fired in uh in Arizona Steve Wilkes.

(01:00:08):
One one seed I did think was no. But I'm
just saying, but because he didn't have the player, right,
But I'm saying that's how they do it though. It's
na You're right, is that they pull the plug after
one year? Well quickly? Right? Are you? And I'm not
even trying to you know this? Are you disappointed in
the Jets kind of shopping a Jamal? I mean, nah,

(01:00:30):
that's just football. That's just it's it's like who if
you could do it? A teams do it all the
time in baseball. They put guys on the waiver wire. No,
I can pull it back. I want to see if
there's any value. But here's the thing, I don't have
an issue with it. If I pick for Jamal Adams,
I'm using that pick hopefully to get another Jamal Adams.
You see what I'm saying. But it just but it

(01:00:51):
also told you why that they also didn't pull a trigger. No,
but he's upset. It's gonna be interesting. He has to
get over it. It's it's called the business of football.
All right. All Right, you're gonna say that because you
picked the Jets to make the playoffs. Do you ask
me for my opinion? I gave it to you. You You
still don't believe I'm just saying, I'm ah, are you
working with Pinocchio. I'm just baffled. I'm just asking one
in six that's what I thought. That's what I did

(01:01:13):
when I heard you picked the Jets. No, that's what
I did when you picked the Browns to make it
to the AFC Championship Games. Too soon? All right, the
football conversation will continue with former NFL general manager Charlie Castlely.
He joins us next. But first, all right, thank you,
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(01:01:34):
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analyst for the NFL Network. It's our man, Charlie Castlely. Charlie,
welcome to the Eye Couple. What's up great? We are great.

(01:01:58):
Let let's start with the Jets. Charlie, um, looks like
they might have some issues now with Jamal Adams. H
he's upset. He said he didn't want to be traded
and now news comes out that they were at least
listening to offers on him. Is this something he just
has to get over or do you? Is there some
blame that should be put on the Jets front office

(01:02:19):
for maybe shopping him or letting it get out publicly. Well,
they may not have letic it out publicly. I mean
it could Roy will come out with the Dallas side, right,
So that's number one. The second thing is if you
tell a player you're not going to trade him, but
then you don't listen to offers, It's very similar. Okay,
so I don't know what was said to Jamal Adams,

(01:02:43):
but if you man a man, look at guy and
the ices, we're not trading here, he's going to be here,
and then you listen to offers, then you're willing to
trade him. So you know, how do you care? That's say,
did that ever happen to you, Charlie? When you told
somebody you weren't going to trade him and then somebody
offered you a great deal that you couldn't pass up.
For the for the betterment of your franchise. You never

(01:03:04):
did that, No, okay, my debts I was. I was
very careful about what I ever said to a player. Um,
players and people don't forget it's like a contract negotiation.
Don't tell him and she'll take care of him if
he exceeds his contract. Because what does take care of him? Right?

(01:03:24):
It's his definition versus yours. And if you don't have
the same definition, then you're the bad guy. No, always
very careful what I said to the players. He is
it fair Charlie to say if they listen, then you
better pull the trigger because obviously, if you trade him,
he's out of there and it's not your problem anymore.
But if you listen, it gets out and he's still
with you, then it's going to be a problem. Yeah,

(01:03:47):
now it's a problem. Does the player get over it?
How does he handle it in the locker room? Um?
You know those are things that, uh, you'd like to think.
I think if people get over it, they move on.
But you have to be honest. And you know nowadays
where things can become far more public, easier than they

(01:04:08):
used to and faster. That's probably really the word says faster.
You really got to be careful about it. So my
question would be, why would Dallas call the Jets about
Jamal Adams. Now, you can go fishing, but it's a
little strange one to go fishing if you didn't have

(01:04:29):
an inkling something that something could have happened to you.
Do you like the way the Dolphins are doing things?
I mean, obviously they're storing up draft picks for this
upcoming draft. I think they have sixteen four in the
first You like it if you don't have season tickets
and you haven't spend any money on them, well, yes, Ryan,
I mean if you're a fan, that that's a heck
of an investment you made to watch a team not

(01:04:50):
win a ball game. There'll be a discount. I mean
the players have been discounted. The tickets should be discl right, Charlie,
you know what I wanted to come up. If I've
owned it, team would be pay as you exit, so
you pay your way out. Um. I understand what they're doing. Um,
there's no simple answer to whether it's going to work.

(01:05:12):
I mean, did you have to trade Laramie Tunsil and
make a Fitzpatrick? I mean those are two of your
building blocks, right, So, and I got to be honest
with you, if they had both of them, I'm not
sure they would have won a game anyway with the
rest of the roster what they did. So you yet,
you've traded Fitzpatrick, but you got to replace them. Okay,
now you're going to Repla'll say, well, we'll draft a

(01:05:33):
player in another position. It's more important lest you got
to go hit that guy because Patrick you hit on
the same thing with Tunsil. You gotta go get a
left tackle. Well, uh, if you're going to look at
it and say New England the Wingland is one without
you know that they did pay soldier soldier, but they
didn't you know, draft them, you know, at the top
ten pick. They did draft them in the middle of

(01:05:54):
the first round. So there's gonna be a lot of
luck involved. I think the fascinating biggism when this is
Steve Us. I mean either Steve Ross initiated this idea
or certainly he has signed off on a one hundred
and ten percent I remember he was upset when they
took Fitzpatrick. He thought they should have traded the pick
and pick up more picks. And you know, the brass

(01:06:14):
in Miami decided to take him. Now, what I'm getting
to is that they've they're buying draft picks. I mean, basically,
they got to leave. He may never play for him.
It is salary to get a fifth round pick for
four and a half million dollars or whatever the number was. Right,
As an owner, I give him credit. That's fantastic. You'd

(01:06:35):
a buyby draft choices. A fifth round pick only has
a twenty percent of a chance of becoming a successful
starter after four years. I did a ten year study
on it, so it's ten years of statistics that backed
that up. He has paid four and a half million
dollars for a twenty percent chance. Wow. Right now, if
the owner wants to do it, that's great, So more
power to him along the way. Charlie Castley, former NFL

(01:06:59):
GM Network NFL Network analyst, joins the eye couple. So, Charlie,
you you tweeted out something about the idea that if
this is indeed Tom Brady's last year in New England,
and maybe the Patriots could be interested in a guy
like Teddy Bridgewater, assuming that Bill Belichick's not trying to
rebuild that age, you know, late sixties going towards sixty seven.

(01:07:22):
Give me some more insight on on the Bridgewater maybe
to New England. It's it's it's less than speculation. Uh,
it's an opinion that I have that they should do it.
I like Bridgewater. When we go back at a period
of time before they got hurt, he led Minnesota to
the playoffs. He was a winning quarterback. I thought that

(01:07:44):
him and Derek Carr were on par as prospects. There
are different players, but the talent wise, the ability to
play in the NFL, they were kind of similar. Um.
What he is and what he showed in New Orleans
is that he's a smart guy. He can read the defense,
he can make all the throws, he can buy time
with his legs enough to to make a play, and

(01:08:07):
he was undefeated. There's no question that Sean Payton loves
this guy. I think Sean Payton viewed him when he
signed him as you know, the heir apparent. That's my opinion.
We used to know when that's going to happen. And
in this system, they've got a decision. Breeze and Bridgewater
free agents at the end of the season, and it

(01:08:28):
will be interesting what they do on the thing Obviously
New England, Brady's a free agent for twenty four hours.
What's he going to do? What's New England gonna do?
You know, they were upset. It was as part of
the organization up set when they traded Garoppolo because they
saw a Garoppolo as the successor. You know, hey, here's
another ten year run we got with a quarterback. So

(01:08:51):
my feeling is, I believe in Bridgewater there's gonna be teams.
They're gonna nee quarterbacks. You can buy one and still
have a high draft choice. Clearly, I think Tampa Tennessee,
they're going to be in the market for a quarterback.
And I think Bridgewater UM could easily approach Cousins money.
I mean when you think of you know, Foles got

(01:09:12):
in the low twenties. Okay, so and Foals had done something,
not for a whole season, but he had done something.
Um Us Wiley got what seventeen million dollars? Yeah, and
he played five games and talk about ridiculous. Yeah yeah. So,
I mean I think Bridgewater is in the twenties UM,
and I think he'll be a winning quarterback. Charlie Robin

(01:09:33):
I were talking about this and we got about two
minutes left. We're talking about this earlier. Bill Belichick just
won his three hundredth game. Third coach ever to do
it with with Don Shula and George Hollis. I think
he's the greatest coach in the NFL history. Where do
you what do you think about that notion? With Belichick?
All your arguments are there to make him back. Okay, um,

(01:09:56):
and I have to admit I'm prejudice, but I vote
for Joe Gibbs and Bill Belichick has the overwhelming statistics
to put them there. But Charlie, let me stop you
for one second. Here's the reason why I can't get
with it. The cheating scandals that he's had. He had
the biggest fine of any coached ever, right half a

(01:10:17):
million dollars. He lost his team draft picks, his quarterback
got busted too and was suspended. And there's all kinds
of stuff we heard Eric Mangini, you could do you know,
whatever he was a disciple was there. There's a lot
of stuff that to me takes you out of that conversation.
Doesn't mean I'm saying he's not a great a great coach.
It belongs in the Hall of Fame. Whatever you want

(01:10:38):
to do. But I have a hard time calling a
guy who's been busted cheating the greatest of all time.
That's just me, No, And it's not just you. There's
other people who are going to feel that way. And
some of the coaches who won a lot of games
feel that way. Okay, So so it's a fair argument
to make. There's no question about that. I was the
one who broke the Spygate story ahead of everybody else. Um,

(01:11:02):
and you know Belichick attacked me, and you know we
get along now. It's fine, But um, I lightless to
the whole litany of other things that was going on there,
which have subsequently come out an articles years after the
fact on the thing. And you know what's all, I'm
gonna tell you this, there will be a book at

(01:11:22):
some point. There will be and some of the stuff
that's gone on there will be exposed. It just at
some point there'll be out some other former employees and
different stuff that will lay it all out. And I
think it's going to change the way you look at
the Patriots dynasty and Bill Belichick long term. I really
believe that. Well, it could be. The thing I would

(01:11:44):
say is this is that after that happened, okay, Um,
and that part of their operation was shut down. We
know about the inflatable balls, Um, but they just keep
our winning. And if you watch them, coach Um, his
team is the best prepared weekend and week out of

(01:12:04):
any team in the league, executing their game plan. Um.
You know they've won with uh, not a lot of
Hall of famers on the football though they have. They
have the greatest maybe quarterback of all time, and then
you can't discount that fact. So, but the ability to coach,
I think is there. Obviously there's a cloud over his head.

(01:12:26):
The reason I bring up Joe Gibbs is in the
history of the NFL in one hundred years, I think
there's only seven coaches, if there's that many, that won
three championships, he's the only one who won three with
three different quarterbacks, none of the mental hall of fame,
and he did in a ten year period. Charlie Castley,
former NFL GM NFL Network analyst, Thanks, Charlie. We appreciate

(01:12:49):
the time. Great away you guys, all right, all right, No,
but it was it was. I mean, your your point
is legitimate, there's no doubt about it. He made good points.
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to welcome in our good friend. We go back decades
with one of the great writers sports writers in the country,
Sean Powe of NBA dot Com. What's up man, what's up? Hey?
You know, first of all, I just want to apologize
to your audience because I taught you to everything you know.
I put you on the path to do. Thanks Craig Melvin.

(01:14:45):
But but we go way way back, and we know
obviously Chris and I know a lot of writers, a
lot of people in the business. But Sean, I can remember.
I know, Sean, you started the Dallas Times here right exactly, say,
I remember those days. I remember when covered the Miami
he the NBA All Star Games. I was covering the
nets in those days. I mean this goes back to

(01:15:07):
I started covering to the NBA in nineteen eighty seven.
When did you start just yesterday? Actually that Yeah, I'm
not gonna date myself, but actually probably about exactly the
same name. All right, he's got me. He's got me
about twenty years exactly. Sean and I we actually met
on the basketball court. I don't know if you remember, Sean,

(01:15:30):
I remembering I can't get that. Well, I do know,
Sean thought I couldn't. When we first met, it was
an All Star game in San Antonio, and you you know,
it was a big media tournament going on that and
you had your team and and I had one. Su
I didn't know anybody's my first year covering the NBA.

(01:15:51):
But you know what, basketball in sports in general is
the ultimate breaking bread. You know, where you just go
out there and it's not about how how well you ride,
how much money you have or anything like that. Can
you ball right? And we saw also play in the
playoff days when Jordan was playing in Chicago on the
top of the marioff roof. You know you played up there.

(01:16:13):
I played in those game the Mary Marquis, Yes, in Chicago,
right on Michigan Avenue, Remember Sean, we played in those Yeah.
And actually I remember shooting an airball and it kept
going all the way down to Michigan. I don't know
who it hit, but that true, no roof, you killed
something exactly. You remember the famous Rick telling your column

(01:16:36):
from Chicago Sun. Yeah, you made that team of were
you're in the first team, first team. Of course, your
first MVP, our first team stephen A was upsetting because
people who don't know Rick telling you the columns of Chicago.
Sure in the NBA Finals when Michael Jordan playing, he
wrote a Sunday column that he had pictures in. It

(01:16:56):
was amazing. That was that was great. I loved it.
Sean and I have a special bond because we worked
together at Newsday. Yes and Sean, I told Chris, I said,
Sean will probably mentioned a Thanksgiving Day story because Sean
has mentioned it a number of times every every time
I see you, every time, I seconds, yes, yes, Well

(01:17:18):
I came up to New York. I didn't you know
my family hadn't come with me or anything like that.
And Rob said, Sean, what you on for Thanksgiving? And
with my puppy dog eyes, I said nothing. He says,
come on over to Queens and it was like wonderful.
His family reached out the fantastic I always take him
every time. My mom my mom is a great quote.
And we had food and Sean came over, hung out,

(01:17:40):
watched football and that was it. It was a new
guy in town. And as you guys knew, each other. Yeah, yeah,
from the NBA. But his wife wasn't here and everything,
and so I just said, come on over. He always
mentions that, which is nice, But thank you, Sean. Sean
and I actually were in the dunk contest together. Remember
that we're not going to disco. Finished first, he finished second. Man,
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This is one of the best twit the handles i've seen.
Powell two the people, very nice. Pow e l L
two da people. Uh, that's of course is Sean Piled

(01:19:10):
the playoff power power to the people. I like that.
But he's in studio with us for the next forty
five minutes, so we're excited to have him in a
few quick updates. The Houston Astros up to one on
the Washington Nationals. In the top of the third inning,
Justin Verlander settled down after giving up a run in

(01:19:32):
the first inning, and now it's Verlander and Strassburg. Both
of them kind of settled in right and then we
got We got a good one so far. And also
on the NBA little injury news. Yeah, Trey Young Gold
who is having a fantastic start. I know it's only
three games, but game we're shooting fifty from three, fifty

(01:19:54):
one percent from the floor. He was off the charts
before that last game, but thirty four points nine is
it's the game. But he goes down with an ankle
injury in their game against the Miami Heat. X rays
were negative. They're gonna do more tests or you hope
that's nothing serious. And Anthony Davis for the Lakers is
going to play okay. There was talked that he was

(01:20:16):
questionable because of shoulders, soordness Alway's gonna pime, guessing that
was some type of low management. They were considering right
shoulder swordness. So he's gonna play the night against the
Memphis Grizzlies. John Morant, nice young rookie, has played very well.
Went up against hand to hand with Kyrie Irving and
came out shining in their last game. Thirty points, ten assists,

(01:20:39):
and the block shot on kyriez he goes for the
game winner. So that's gonna be a good one. I
can't wait to watch that. Rob. But let's without further ado,
get to our man, Sean Pyle. Sean Man, it's great
to have you on the show. Hey, great to be
with you guys. Get to talk some basketball. You both
of you to have a basketball background. Well, actually robbed
a little light on basketball, was Sean since nineteen eighty seven,

(01:21:02):
I've been covering to league. You go do me like that.
We'll get the baseball. I'm short, all right, you had
a hiatus with baseball, But Rob, you wrote, I mean, Sean,
you wrote a great story on NBA dot com today
called looking for Closure about the Clippers superstar Kawhi Leonard
and a story that, or at least an issue that

(01:21:24):
everyone knows about. His dad was killed shot to death
at a Compton car wash that he owned, but very
few people know details. And you wrote a spectacular story
thirty three hundred words, so you really got in depth.
But tell us about the story and you know what
you uncovered. Well, I hadn't known about it for a

(01:21:44):
little bit, and when Kawhi decided to come to Los Angeles,
I thought it was worth exploring because one of the
reasons why he decided to play for the Clippers, other
than it's a fantastic organization, Paul George's coming with him,
it was a chance for him to come back home.
Most so if his life was spent out in um
Riverside County, Marina Valley where he went to high school,

(01:22:07):
but his father lived in Compton and he owned a
car wash, and Kawhi would come, you know, on some
weekends during the summers and work in order to make
money to buy sneakers and things like that because his
father wanted to teach him about hard work, which is great. Um.
But his father, when Kawhi was sixteen, was murdered right
there at the car wash and it's been unsolved there.

(01:22:32):
But his father at that time was married not to
Kawai's mother, but to another woman who was there when
the shooting happened. And it has been unsolved for eleven years.
But in the last month, Elliott County Sheriff's Department started
to basically reopen the case. Uh, they have some new details.

(01:22:54):
They may I would probably say somewhat soon have a suspect,
although there's a big difference between having a suspect and
a conviction. The other thing is, you know, Kawhi at
that time, when he was sixteen years old, he wasn't
Kawhi learting we know now. He was just a high
school kid. Wasn't all that great in terms of being
on the national radar for high school players, although he

(01:23:14):
was really good here in southern California. Yeah, he went
he went to San Diego State, not Kentucky or things
like that. And um, but now he's famous. And one
thing the Sheriff's apartment says is that you know, sometimes
in these high profile cases, that there's always someone out
there who's got information. Now that Kawai's famous, you know,
maybe they could you know, do a favor. They're already
in jail, they can get you know, time off whatever,

(01:23:36):
they come up with some information. Uh, it doesn't you know, look,
it's it's it's there's a chance. But that's news the
fact that they can look into that case again and
re examine it, come up with some new leads and
maybe have a breakthrough. But you know, the bigger story
also is just how you know his tragedy is for
Kawhi at that age, obviously you lose, you lose your

(01:23:56):
father and such dramatic fashion. He was shot ten times times?
Um and uh you know he played basketball, was it?
He was shot ten times? You mentioned that doesn't sound
like a random No, no, that's not a robbery. No, no, no, Robbert,
you're not wasting that much time around. You know, that's
somebody who's got something for you. I'm gonna make sure
he had. He had a dispute and that was one

(01:24:17):
without really going in too much into into depth, it's
in the story, but there was a dispute and that's
how someone decided to settle it. Um, but uh, you know, Kawhi,
the next night he played, he has he had a
basketball game uh at UCLA's Paul Pavilion. They had a
basketball tournament. Uh. He he played for Martin Luther King

(01:24:38):
High School uh in Riverside Colley. He played, scored seventeen points.
His team lost by eight points. But right after the game, Uh,
he went over and hugged his mother. And you know,
his friends said that they had never recalled seeing him
cry before. UH that emotional. So obviously it hit him hard.
To this day, Kawhi will not talk about his father.

(01:25:00):
That's why you haven't seen anything about it. Um, he
wouldn't make himself obviously for this available for the yeah
you know, and the thing about and yeah, you know
what I can understand. We all deal with these things differently.
Steve Kerr's father died, was murdered overseas. Everyone knows about it,
and Steve Kerr can talk openly about it. Michael Jordan's

(01:25:20):
father died also. Michael Jordan initially talked about it, but
I don't know if it's come up again in conversation
to Michaels. I don't remember for a long time. So
so these things have happened, and uh, you know, sometimes
we have to write about it because of who their
sons are. And also in this case, it's a little
bit of news because they decide to reopen it. No,

(01:25:40):
that's a lot of bit of news, that's right, do
you know? I mean, obviously Kauhai seems introverted. Do you
a lot of people kind of I've heard people put
that on, you know, the depth of his father. When
he was sixteen, he kind of went into a shell.
Do you know if his personality is a lot of
it shaped by that incident or was he kind of

(01:26:03):
like that anyway? He's a quiet kid just altogether. Chris,
that's a great question. Um. I can't speak for him
basically because I really don't know. I think he was
always that way. His stepmother said he was a little
bit of a prankster when he was young, but still
kind of quiet and reserved. How it affected him, again,
only Kawai can answer that. Did you ask the stepmother

(01:26:24):
did he have that crazy laugh when he was sixteen
to two? Well, I can tell you what he did
have it. He had huge hands and that comes in hand.
He had a car washer. You could hold two sponges
could hold two sponges in one hand exactly exactly. So yeah,
but look, it's a tragic story all around. Um. And
just a footnote to that his stepmom was pregnant at

(01:26:47):
the time and three months later she tried to keep
the car wash open, and three months later she was
shot in the drive by at the same spot. She
had to have operations on her leg. She did have
the baby, who was now eleven year old. Absolutely right,
let me can we can we speaking of Kawai and

(01:27:08):
him coming to the Clippers, I mean, Sean, I think
the Clippers are going to win the championship. I love
that team where it was already before they got there,
Paul George and him. Just tell me your thoughts on
the Clippers and what do you see. I know that
three and one so far, and they've looked good. They
lost to the Suns in one of those games. But
do you like the Clippers the way that they're put together? Yeah,

(01:27:30):
I agree, I would probably say right now. You know again,
injuries things like that, but um, everybody stays healthy. It's
hard not to light the Clippers because you have to
understand Rob that, Um, this team won forty eight games
last year without Kawhi and Paul George. Okay, forty eight
games and they beat the Warriors in the first round

(01:27:51):
with a healthy Kevin Durant. How many times, Chris, but
twice and how many time they too much about the
NBA game about that. So they were a good team.
But well, well, the one thing, the one thing they had, Chris,
is they had a lot of grit, hard work, things
like that. Now you're adding the the the fancy pieces

(01:28:12):
to that hardworking team coach by Doc Rivers. And the
other thing is that both Kawai um George and I
mean Kawi Leonard and Paul George, they're pretty much one
and the same player. They're two way players, very interchangeable,
very unselfish. Uh. Can you imagine a team coming in
to play the Clippers and Kawai is gonna guard you

(01:28:34):
for maybe a quarter, and then Paul George is going
to be on you, and then Patrick Bevley is going
to be the little bulldog is going to be all
on you, irritating you. Hey, that's pretty tough when you're
getting three looks like a Lebron James or or you know,
name another superstar coming and Steph Curry. They're going to
all get three looks by premier defensive players, because I

(01:29:00):
think it's gonna be comparable when you guys were covering
this when the Bulls with Jordan Pippen, Ron Harper on
the perimeter, and then you had Dennis Rodman. Now you
got Montress here. I'm not saying he's good as Robin,
tough bulldog, He's the type of guy you just don't
want to play against. Yeah, and the others be so
tough and the other thing what you've seen with Paul
George out. I think he'll probably be back in a

(01:29:20):
couple of weeks. Is Lou Williams step up and then
look like honestly, Lou Williams is making it. It's early,
but he could make a case to be an All Star.
I really, I mean, I really believe that Clay is
out now. The West is full of guards. Westbrook, Harden,
Steph Curry and Lillard are virtual automatics. But if they

(01:29:42):
have five or six All Star guards, he might be
in the steak. I mean, he's playing lights out. He
is tremendous. Yeah, you know, you know the one thing
about LOUI is he doesn't need a lot of shots.
He doesn't need a lot of minutes to make an impant.
And those players are gold because they don't take shots
away from the primary score in this case Kawhi Leonard.
And the other thing is that the Clippers right now,

(01:30:04):
they're the king of the mid range jump. And you
look at you look at all their players, uh, Paul,
George h Lou Williams, Kawhi Leonard. These guys are great
at making the fifteen to eighteen point shot. And you
know that really stresses out of the defense because now
they can score from all over the floor. Montres Harold

(01:30:25):
can score at the rim. So the Clippers, I'm not
trying to make them out to be the perfect team. No, no, no,
that that you know that will have to prove itself.
But they have all the ingredients and they have a
coach who's won a championship as well. So Sean Quick,
what do you think of the best team in lad Lakers?
Oh God, what a load of question that is. Well,
you know what, Chris, you know, I know it's going
to sound like I'm taking a pass here a little bit.

(01:30:46):
But they're not whole yet. They don't have Rondo who
can take the ball handling shorts away from Lebron and
obviously they don't have Kyle Kuzma. I think we got
to see how that all works for like a month
before we can really have a definitive answer on the Lakers. Okay,
all right, that's our man, Sean Powell. He's at Twitter
on Powell to the people. He will be with us

(01:31:08):
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Irving has the NETS front office feeling a little bit
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(01:32:11):
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New Era. We are joined by our man, good friend,
great writer Sean Powe from NBA dot com. And Sean,
we were talking earlier about your your story on NBA
dot com today about Kawhi Leonard and the death, the

(01:32:31):
shooting death of his father's called looking for Closure. Definitely
go check that out on NBA dot com. But let's
get to Kyrie Irving. A story came out today by
ESPN Jackie McMullen on the website about just the Nets
in general. But there were some revelations about Kyrie and
we know that he's been accused of moodiness in Cleveland

(01:32:56):
and in Boston and now already, I mean he's played
with three four games with the Nets. And this story
comes out today and says that the Nets are according
to the story. The Nets executives in front office are
already feeling queasy. That's an exact quote, queasy about Kyrie's

(01:33:20):
mood swings. Well, I actually have the over nunder on
one game, so it's the three. It's kind of surprising,
but you know, look, I mean, he's a different guy.
And the one thing you have to know about sports
and with superstars is sometimes they're just different. You know,
they're just wired differently. For some superstars that's what makes
them great. Others that's what makes them a distraction. And

(01:33:42):
maybe in this situation it's both. Maybe that makes Kuhite
great and a distraction. And that's also and I'm just
also a great story for the next story reads well
in that town because he decided to bolt. So you
always gotta I always look at stories and just see, like,
how do they figure out? We know, you just said it,
this is who he is, right? Is this really a
revelation that he's moody or this is new? But there

(01:34:04):
were no I'm not saying that. I'm just saying but
it's not a new revelation. I wasn't surprised that you
said he's moody and he still won a championship. You
can deal with that, but I was surprised by the
quickness by how if you know, again, this is a
report that the executives are bothered by it. I'm shocked

(01:34:25):
at how quickly this has come out and that they
become bothered. And Sean and I were talking to her
in the break rob The one thing in the story
that that gave me real pause concerning Kauai or Kyrie
was they saying they were in China and they had
a team photo and Kyrie wouldn't take off his hat

(01:34:48):
for the photo, and he told him the photo shop
it out and that left everybody baffled, like why in
the world wouldn't he just take off his s That
to me that that was like, really, it's im I
don't know Kyrie re Side maybe has you know, a reason,
but the way it was written, it's just baffling, Like
why that's the type of thing that I think will

(01:35:09):
Really those are the stories that you hear players. I've
heard other stuff about you know players, and you I'm
with you. It just seems so simple to take your
hat off you're taking a picture. Well it would be that,
but but we know that there's players in there. They
don't want to do what they want to be. You know,
somebody tell them to do it, they don't want to

(01:35:30):
do it. I don't get it. My theory is he
just had a bad haircut. He didn't want anyone to
see it. Look at the photoshopped out out. Yeah exactly.
But look in sports and in life in general, you
can go to a law firm, you can go to
high tech company, you can go to the New York Yankees.
The better you are, the more your bosses will put
up with. Oh yeah, as simple as that. And sometimes

(01:35:53):
the star employee in this case, Kyrie Irving, knows that
he can keep pushing the velope. I saw a new
day when Sean and I were there, Like Sean got away,
whatever he got away, whatever. Matter of fact, I pushed
the envelope so much I would I would make into
paper airplanes and fight. But uh no, I mean look again,
you know, um let let Kyrie or another you know

(01:36:16):
high um high maintenance superstar athlete hit there like thirty
five years old, and their production goes out, and guess
what they're gonna do everything with Alan Iverson, They're gonna
they're gonna be walking step you know, they're gonna be
causing no, no, no problem exactly, and he looked how
humbled he is to try to end he's obviously I
don't think he's ever getting back in the league, and

(01:36:38):
he needs to just accept it. Do you do you
think he's getting back in the league? And and what's
the reason showing why no one will bite? We know,
we know his game doesn't really fit the NBA's game
now when his position in his career to me doesn't
feel well. First of all, um, sometimes you can lose
the superstar talent but not lose the superstar ego, and

(01:37:00):
you feel that you are probably more valuable than you are.
The other thing about Carmelo is that his game never evolved.
He never became a very good three point shooter. His
game is a turnaround jumper on the baseline. Things like that. Well,
you know that doesn't resonate in today's NBA. The other
thing is he's not in the greatest of shape, okay,

(01:37:20):
and what about his defense. So for all those reasons,
he can't play twenty five thirty minutes, but his ego says, hey,
I can still play twenty five and thirty minutes. And
we saw what happened in Oklahoma City. We saw what
happened in Houston. But let me just add this. Chris,
when he won on his little tour and he talked
to ESPN, I think he was with stephen A and

(01:37:41):
WoT did it come off as almost like he was begging?
I mean it was like, you mean to tell me
I'm can't be on the roster? You remember how the
way he did? Did you feel? But you know what's curious?
I felt bad too. Carmelo does have friends and the
powerful friends in the NBA, and they can't get him
on a team. I was I was told that, And

(01:38:02):
it was a report that Kevin Durant and Kyrie went
to Nets brass and that Lebron went to the Lakers
brass and tried to get him on the team, and
that they didn't. They still the Stars couldn't get him one.
That's what I'm saying. Like he's got people who are
all all about mellow. Yeah, But like I said, I
think it's for those reasons. And also how does that
fit in the locker room when your buddy got to

(01:38:24):
get you on the team. I mean, no, right, you
know what I'm saying. That's what hurt me watching Mellow
on First Take with Stephen A. Smith kind of begging
to get back in the league is like he was.
This is a proud guy in my view of first
ballot Hall of Famer, I had to hurt the Scott's
one of Olympic medals, he won a national championship at Syracuse.

(01:38:46):
He's been able to fill it up for fifteen years
in the NBA, and he's on TV basically groveling, like
you mean to tell me there's no spot for me,
Like he's overturning the question. And even if a Lebron
had gotten him on the team. To your point, Sean,
how did how you want it? You know what I mean?
You gotta you know, it's almost like it was given
and not earned. Yeah, so uh and I don't think, um,

(01:39:08):
that's just a good atmosphere. The other thing with Carmelo
and and this is common with a lot of players
who initially just leave the game. They haven't found a
way to replace the void, right and they feel that
their only worth is being a basketball player, and when
that's taken away for them all of a sudden. Camel
has probably been playing basketball since he was six years old.
It is he's been a star since he was probably

(01:39:29):
and nobody prepares for that show like nobody then got
other things going on businesses. But it's not the same.
It ain't the same, and it's hard for people to
step aside and and be like it's over. Well, for
here's the cruel irony, and obviously they get rewarded handsomely
for it early. For what ninety nine percent ninety nine

(01:39:52):
point nine percent of athletes or maybe ninety nine percent, well,
they their peak is done it thirty five right, like
they've hit the highest level they'll ever hit and nothing now.
Steve Kerr, who's become a coach of Phil Jackson, looks
like Lebron who will do plenty of stuff afterwards, or
Kobe who now has seemed to find stuff he wants

(01:40:15):
to do. But for most of them, you have to
realist like I've hit my peak at thirty five, and
you're still a young very young. And and Chris, the
other part is once you're not a player, people treat
you very differently no matter what. No, and I think
that's a hard part to accept when people all of
a sudden are like, you know, you're trying to do

(01:40:36):
a hold off, you know, like I used to green
light me right, I get green light, you roll up
to the club, and all of a sudden you gotta
stand in line like, oh, I'm not gonna achieve anymore. No,
I gotta pay for my drakes, and a lot of
them treat the media a lot better. It's unbelievable. Well,
let me just say that, as far as that's concerned,

(01:40:56):
Carmelo has always been a stand up guy. Yeah, your
point as well made. You know, Patrick Ewing was always
a very not wouldn't say unprofessional, but abrasive and short
and everything with the media. When he retired and became
a assist a coach, Oh my goodness, he couldn't wait
to see me. Oh how are you doing? Blah blah blah.
You were probably like baffles, like really all right? All right,

(01:41:20):
Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors have had it
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Of course, in the world of sports, And speaking of
trash talk, a lot of people, Rob Parker, Kendrick Perkins,
our good friend, a lot of others talking trash about
the Golden State Warriors, and the Warriors had enough. They're

(01:42:25):
pushing back, and last night they played the Pelicans and
one for the first time this season. They're now one
and two. Let's hear what Perks said, Rob G and
then play Draymond after the game last night, that's right,
Kendrick Perkins tweeted out during the Warriors blowout loss to
the Oklahoma City Thunder said quote Thunder giving Golden State

(01:42:46):
that work right now. It's no fun when the Rabbits
got the gun. Now we get to see what Steve
Kerr's really about. We're calling out Kurb, But same goes
for Steph. His job is to keep them in games
no matter what, the same way Russ Broughn and other
elite players had to do when they were shorthanded. Getting
blown out is not excused when you're elite. Well, Draymond

(01:43:08):
Green clapped back last night after their win against the Pelicans.
Take listen, We're still not very good too. We have
a lot of room for just because we won one
getting it. We don't suck right now. We still have
a lot of em to do. But I said we
sucked last night. I see a lot of people blow
it out of proportion, a lot of former players who
ain't never let blow it out of proportion. We suw,

(01:43:31):
and but I've actually known how to leave my entire life,
So you know those that have never to talk about
lead life. We just gotta continue to get better. We
gotta continue to get the compete out of high level
or two nicely to do that tonight we did, but
we still have a lot shots fired, all right. Sean
pow NBA dot Com joining the odd couple. Sean, what's

(01:43:54):
your take on what Draymond saying. Well, I didn't have
a problem with the Warriors critics and I didn't have
a with with with what Draymond said. I mean maybe
maybe both sides or right, maybe they're not the name time.
I mean, you know, these guys may not even make
the plays. What's in your gut though, Sean about the playoffs?
You're not making the playoffs. They're not making a plaff
because they're they're on certain guys to play major roles

(01:44:17):
that they've never posted the NBA. You're asking certain guys
to play thirty minutes, make some deep you know. Yeah, exactly.
Oh Um. I think we all need to be realistic,
and I think Draymond also needs to calm down. Just
be realistic. I mean, no one's saying you guys are gonna,
you know, look like the you know, the Phoenix Suns,
you know, but at the same time, you're not Warriors. Actually,

(01:44:41):
let me ask you this, Sean, Um, do you then
look Obviously, I think we can all agree Steph Curry's
a Hall of Famer, but I think this is not
Michael Joy. If they don't make playoffs. Will this be
some type of staying on his legacy. First of all,
I'm assuming here that and then nothing. His legacy is locked,

(01:45:02):
I mean racky y. Yeah, but if that guy that,
I think a lot of people paying him. Which is
behind that guy shot? It's that guy who can lead
his team, who like last year, him to a championship.
Last year, when I had a chance to win that game, right,
it's the three missus he had. He had a good look,

(01:45:24):
he couldn't make it. He's oh for eight when he
has a chance to tide when the game is tiedle behind,
when a shot in the five seconds he's never missed.
But he makes all the circus shots and the hauled
him globe trotters in the bucket of confetti, but he
can't make the big shot. That's why he's not that guy.
That's why he stepped the side of the rand because
he knew who was the daddy in room. It was

(01:45:46):
durand that's big daddy. But you know what, Rob, He's
played in so many NBA games, he was bound to
have a couple of misses. Yes, that's how I look
at it reasonably. And he's the author of the first
only choke when the team was up three to one.
In the NBA history, he's the author of them. There

(01:46:07):
a couple of not a co author, but he's the one.
Thank you, get you my goodness. The warriors here stays
up the center. I'm gonna keep it reals. A lot
of lights can't hate him. I got nothing to do
with its keeping real. Everybody knows he hates. He hates Austin,

(01:46:29):
not only one and barely. I like you, so so
let's go out of Let's go ro Austin rivers. He
doesn't like tack Levine times Karl Anthony Simmons, that's right, Tree,
he don't like Trey. You don't like you. All right,

(01:46:52):
it's shine man, thanks for coming in. We enjoyed it.
Suppose I refuse to leave. That's a refusal. Now you
don't want exactly you gotta. We're gonna give you the mic.
I think I'm gonna leave. So I appreciate it. Man.
And let me say this, because Sean and our families
are close. His daughter Victoria, I hope you don't mind

(01:47:16):
me saying this. She's a track She was a track
star at Baylor and now Georgia. Now she's at george
She graduated in three years at Baylor, so she's a
scholar as well. And now mom's fourth year at Georgia
and has a shot because she was all American. Yeah,
has a shot at the Olympic. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,

(01:47:36):
track is of what have you done for me lately? Sport?
It's unforgiving. Um, you have to improve every year or
you get left behind. You know, it's really just about
who's the fastest reputations or gone. Once she stepped to
the line and the gun goes off, so look she's
done great. Um. Look I just want her to make
enough money to take care of me one day. I

(01:47:57):
don't care if it's through running or being in a
boyroom or whatever. It's time to take care pops, right.
I hear there, you go, I hear you. I got
two I'm telling the same thing too, and I got
the thirty of them, and they're all at Magic City.
They're gonna take care of me at support. You know
who was the first person to tell me about the
scene in Atlanta? He told you about Magic the first

(01:48:20):
mention that you've never heard mentioned it as a gold
clumb or something. Wait a minute, now, so that's a
gold car to Magic City and the Gold Club. I
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You're on with the eye couple who you trashing? Areaiah Thomas,
the former Detroit Pistons who are via Thomas and he

(01:49:49):
didn't respect anyone. He got dethrown by Jordan's because in
Roman and Christian regard. I'm also trust talking to you
because you have no love for my man, Reggie Miller.
Let's go to Dustin and Cincinnati. Duston, You're all right?
Here we go, guys, Rob, I know they're gonna pull
at your heart strings too in a good way. All right,

(01:50:11):
Caliperry from Kentucky, I'm gonna uk be honest. How are
you gonna brag about your opening night with all these
players and they all happen to be ones that they
he never want a title with? How do you have
all this NBA talent on your team and never won
a title with none of them except the team in
two thousand and twelve. That's numbers right in case we

(01:50:35):
need to call them back? Do we got that? In Houston?
Your unports radio Harvey, who you trashing? Absolutely Cleveland Brown
making my boy o b J look bad. They don't
have no talent around him to for him to flourish
in that offense. They've just made too many bad decisions
as far as the offensive linded things of that. No fan,
you can getting my boy, Rob Parking, Man, you gotta

(01:50:57):
late be easy on them sometime. Man. All right, thanks, Harvey,
appreciate the support too, Is that Harvey Parker? No, that's right,
thanks Ver. Yes, Um, I want to trash talk Eli Manning.
I'm hoping beyond hope. And the simple fact for that is,

(01:51:17):
out of what fifteen years, he's only had what like
five years when he had double digit wins. And I
mean that's that's not hall of fame status. Not only
that the two Super Bowls he did look up and
be Tom Brady in that was mostly his defense, right,
And not only that fifteen years and only a playoff
wins in total? I mean, is that hall of fame status?

(01:51:40):
Rob Parker is beside him. That's all right, Jerry, thanks
for the wow. We appreciate it. Uh. Let's go to
Troy in Columbus, Georgia. You're on the yard couple of
Fox Sports. Ready, who are you trashing? Oh? Trashing Freddy Kitten?
But before I say that, thank you up and thank
you Chris. I love y'all. Show y'all are the best man.

(01:52:03):
Thank you hands down. But Freddie Kitchen, you are trash
to call it time? Help just continue to go for them.
Come on, man, all right, let's go Sean and Sacramento. Sean,
who you're trashing? I'm trashing all the mother's shows, man,

(01:52:24):
And since Chris can't spent that highday, I got one
for y'all tracking Tuesday. Man, you know this is it.
C B Big rob big shop with the win. They
got the best crew, kicking nash talking. Start off with
Robbie behind the desk, fer of the ship, tight shirt,
No me, but you got beefy on trip. Ain't now
you could keep that noise, Jim row nuts sa. I'll

(01:52:45):
stick with my boys. It's an odd couple for life.
And you know they might beat me imployed. Wow, that
was nice be styled. Did we get that on tape? Racket?
We might have to get that on tape and play
that again. Yeah, we might even have to do it
again if we need to. Yeah, let's go to Let's
go to Mace in San Diego. Mace, who you trash?

(01:53:09):
Baker Mayfield aka Faker Mayfield. I got news for you.
Getting drafted by the Browns is a death sentence a
team that had one win in two years is nothing
to be proud of. Your career was over before or dude,
the Browns are the bottom of the NFL. Here's just
an ennial claiming to be the vicman that the whole
world is out to get me. Head on to the fact.

(01:53:30):
Order your cut from the same cloth as Johnny Mandel.
Thinking you're the next rate quarterback on mean anything, and
coincidentally you must have a normal douche baggery. As of now,
you're looking in the league with total interceptions and right
thirty first in quarterback rating with the storry rating of
sixty six rightelttle Ryan sixth who hasn't even won a game.
Here's some financial advice. You should invest in the men's

(01:53:52):
undergarments if you don't milt diapers because they're stubble up
one thousand folds for this is gonna be so ugly
and brutal. They're gonna be insinily dropping browns in your pants. Wow,
Mace always brings rack up. Believe seeing Nick, do you
got time? Nick? And San Francisco? You're on the yard couple?
Who are you trashing? Hey? What's going on? Guys? Real quick?

(01:54:16):
Lebron James the air has to go. It's it's a
long time coming. And the other day I saw a
g damn, like, yo, bro, fix it, just go bald.
It's not that bad. I got you know. I actually
saw lebron a few years ago. He cut it reel.
It wasn't quite bald, but it was real. It didn't
look bad. No, but he let have like a crazy hair.

(01:54:37):
But look, it looked bad. The other day I heard
a couple of people. That's what my point is that
if he just shaved it. I don't think it looks
hard to give it up when you still can grow it.
Do you know him, like totally, I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's hard to give it up. Aart do we have?
I think we came up. We're good on the trash right,
all right, we'll do this every week. And uh, it's

(01:54:59):
the a couple of Fox Sports Radio and it was Troy.
Troy is the winner, Rob g you got that right,
Troy is the winner. No, no, no, no, from Texas,
from Texas. He's he's the He just earned the hat
with the with the best trish to all right, all right,
all right, Rob, your nationals are waiting, they're fighting for you. Man,

(01:55:22):
it's the time ball game too. They got Verlandic. I
give me a quick I know your prediction. You're gonna
predict that I got. They're gonna win it five to three,
all right? If they win, if they win the night,
does winner the night win it? I'm obviously Nationals or
the uh okay, I'm not going to the moons Apple.

(01:55:43):
We're gonna go to the foot locker where they got
the dope. Jordan's don't don't get cheap on me. Don't
buy me that, sem Jordan. It's the Eye Couple of
Fox Sports Radio. We'll check y'all out tomorrow. You know
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