April 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Rob & Kelvin debate if coaching really matters in the NBA in 2025, Rashad Phillips joins the show to talk everything hoops and gloat about his prediction, a memorable anniversary, and more!
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on the college basketball season, and I want to talk
(01:17):
to him about teams melting down at the end of games, the.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Duke and Houston melt down Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, why do those things happen to teams when the pressure.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Mounts?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So we'll do that coming up as well. And you know,
we talked about the Nuggets and Mike Malone getting fired.
I'm trying to get the right words on this. Why
I'm kind of hesitating. And we already know they're great coaches.
(01:51):
We think Mike Malone was a really good, healthy high gay.
Somebody will go on. But I'm starting to wonder. And
I say this, and I bought this up earlier too.
In the NHL, they fired coaches, left him right. The
NBA's turned into that where guys, you win, a couple
of years later, you're out. Mike pell On went one
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two years ago, not five years ago, not ten years ago,
two years ago, twenty twenty three, and he's out. Darvin
Ham goes to a Western Conference finals, win's the nd
season tournament, and the next year he's out like that.
And I'm starting to wonder when you look at coaching,
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especially in the NBA, I think coaching in the NFL
is different because it's about schemes and getting people in
the right situations, and you got twenty two players total
right out there. I think coaching is is huge in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I completely like a Bill Belichick. I look at Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I mean I look at what he did with He
got Kevin Coop paid because he was under the right
system with Andy Reid. Michael Vic can't come back Player
of the Year balling out MVP Candick because he was
under Andy Reid. So yeah, absolutely, they might you get
the right guy, right coach, right Alex Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But in the NBA, I'm more convinced than ever that
it's the players, not the coach. And that doesn't mean
that the coach doesn't do anything or figure stuff out.
But when you're talking about only having two players that
really matter, sometimes three.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But if you have Kobe and Shaq, you can win.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm okay, you got People are giving the Lakers chance
now because they got Lebron and Luca. You start to
look around and you're looking at the Tatum and Brown
they won, okay, And you could say, well, Udoka was
the coach there, and they look like they're gonna win
a championship, are on their way, and they put in
(03:48):
Missoula in and boom, Missoula wins. Yep, So where are
you as far as is it the coach? Is it
Phil Jackson the Triangle or was it Michael Jordan and
Scottie Pippen. Is it Phil Jackson and what he's doing
that as far as dealing with personalities or was it
(04:09):
Shaq and Kobe? And you could go on with all
these teams, even the Celtics when they won their different coaches.
Bill Fitch was a coach, Ksey Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Was a coach.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It didn't matter, right, Yeah, but you know what I
mean during that time with the wood.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Wood it was like three you know, I'm watching it
right now. Celtic City.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, and they had different coach and there's still one champion.
It didn't matter who was coaching. They had to play
with this guy named Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And that's why I think in the NBA it is
a players league. It's about players.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It doesn't mean that you can do it without coaching,
because don't you remember one year Kyrie said that he
do we really need a coach?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We can do this about Steve Nash. Yeah, that's what
it was, ye, do we really need a coach? Maybe
we could just go out and play.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I mean he might have been right though, because we
ain't seen Steve since. We've just seen him on the
podcast with Lebron.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But where are you on this? Am I in left field?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You're not in left field? I think absolutely.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
The NBA has done nothing but show us, hey, we
can do this with or without you, and that owners
and general managers are willing to part ways.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
We just keep mentioning it.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Four out of the six last coaches to win a
title ended up getting fired.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And that has happened before.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It's happened throughout history, not even just recent, It's happened
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, look at Doc Rivers.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
You know you win, you go back to another title
with the Celtics, you know you're losing Game seven of
the Lakers. You would think, man, I'm good. Almost won
two rings a year or two letter. He's gone getting traded.
Of all things, you traded a coach. So the NBA
has shown that here is the perfect scenario. What I want,
Rod Parker, what I want. It's like in a marriage.
(05:50):
It's like a happy union. I want a perfect marriage.
And what I mean is give me Tim Duncan perfect.
Bang on my chest if you think I'm perfect go ahead,
bang on it. Give me Tim Duncan and Greg Nobody.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Got that line, come Steve. I was baking on Steve
getting Steve no bang on my chest.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
If you think I'm perfect, go ahead, bang on it.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a Tim Man, no heart, I forgot you do
watch that weekly? Yes, I'm sorry. That's my bad, and
I love that. I love the Wizard of Use. Give
me Tim Duncans, what a that go?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's hollow? The Tim Smith forgot to give me a hat?
You know, Steve, want to watch a movie with or
watch shows?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No heart?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, you're the person who you know every line and
it's yeah, it's like, why didn't I just pay you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
To just you know, repeat the lines? All right? You
got anymore?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Give me Tim Duncan and Greg Popovich. Give me Kobe,
specifically Kobe with Phil Jackson, right, because I'm getting the
three with Shack and I'm getting the two without Shack.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Give me the perfect marriage.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I think that's the way you can lock into something special,
because you can get a coach pop in win one
and then he's gone Budenheizer with the with the bucks, right, Oh,
Nick Nurse with the yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Or what was it really Kawhi came to Toronto and
they won. Was bounce bounced. Remember that, that's how close
it were from not.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Even name Seth versus Philly Yup.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So to me, the way to become dynastic is you
get the Steve curR and I got my Steph Curry.
I got my Phil Jackson, I got my mic I
got my Phil Jackson, I got my Kobe, I got
my Tim Duncan, I got my Greg Popovich. I think
those are the gay I got pat Riley. I got
my Magic Johnson. That's the way you become dynastic. So
I think you can get one offs. You can win
(07:31):
a random championship here there, you can do a little
something like that. But to really really win and become
a place where you're dominating, I need my Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And mi Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I need my Bill Belichick and my Tom Brady, Bill
Wash Joe Montana. That's what I want. I want the
perfect marriage, don't we all boa I had it for
a five minute. I don't think you are. I don't
even think you want it anymore. So that's for me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think I'm good.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, I think you can obviously win without you know,
having a sustained coach, and we seeing guys pop off
one here and there. But I just think it's if
you can lock in, you can have if you can
have your Chuck daily with the Pistons and you go
to three straight finals in eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety,
you win two to three.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You got something cooking there, and so to me, that's
what I'm trying to find. I want to find my
guy paired with my superstar and let them be peanut
butter and jelly, which always goes well breakfast. Letch your dynner, Steve,
give me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'm sorry, that's what I want.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I'm just curious as we continue to go on and
there aren't that many coaches. You know, the longevity thing
is out, and I think the players the power, the money,
and they just move on.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
If you don't win, or players.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Aren't feeling you or whatever, they'll just move on from you.
Very seldom. There's one situation and we got to call
it out in Miami when Lebron tried to get Eric's
remember that I.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Want him a big doghman all that pat Riders like man,
that's my guy. Yep, and he ain't going nowhere. Bill
hasn't and he's still there making a ton of money. Now,
I ain't won jack They've been to the finals a
couple of times. He's a good coach, but you know
by now you'd want that title. But he's a good coach.
But I respect with Pat Ridley's specifically because it's like,
this is my guy and we've been good with him.
(09:21):
We haven't won everything, but we've been good. We've gone
a couple of finals. This is our guy, and that's
what to me. I respect that. Like riding with somebody,
it always have to be ain't gonna be perfect. The
Warriors were terrible before Jimmy Butler comes down a good
and research like you ride this thing out. It ain't
always gonna be like a great marriage. But does it
ain't always perfect? Every day ain't easy.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
But does that say anything about some of the great coaches.
Does that say anything about Phil Jackson? I mean, he
was a winner, but you gotta admit he's had for
he had four of.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
The greatest players to ever play.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I ain't gonna argue with that, okay, but I'm asking
why couldn't Dale Harris win with Shaq and Kobe. You
know why when Phil Jackson dipped out, they couldn't do
anything without him. They had to call him back. Phil,
what you're doing? Come on back? I'm sorry, come on backfield,
come on back. You know Doug Collins was doing you
know all he was marching up a little bit. Yeah,
(10:09):
but he had Heil Jackson came. He had an issue
with the ownership. I mean, that's Phil Doug. Because Doug
Collins a good coach. No I'm not not, you know,
but Doug and he didn't win anywhere though, right, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Larry Brown was a good coach. I saw it up
front when they beat the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
In just a small tweak whatever he can get, you know,
because the Pistons were good before him.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But but I just wonder, like, like, is it as important?
I just don't think it's as important as other sports.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I really don't that only having five players on your
team out at this at one time talking about that matter?
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That matter?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Because it's if I have two thousand and five to
twenty fifteen Lebron I mean, what you know, I I'm
I have a great chance to win.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
His sixty fifty five fifty eight sixty games.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
And getting to the Eastern Conference finals minimum because he's
just the best player. He's that good if I have
prime Shack for six years, all right, let's.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Throw it out.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
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talking Tuesday? Is it the players or the coach in
the NBA? What's more important? We noted that this is
a players league, that's without question. But do you have
to have the coaching? You could have great players? And
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then we saw that, we saw it. Can we say
that a little bit about the Pistons? Did Monty Williams
really want to be there? Was he coaching? They lost
twenty eight in a row? Bickerstaff's there and now they're
going to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
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we got Rasha Phillips, basketball analyst, former player, getting ready
to join us here in just a little bit. Taking
your calls right now. Coaches in the NBA? Do they
matter at all? Do they bring value? Does it matter
current day league? Or is it just simply about the
best players? Who has those eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox taking some calls?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Who we got? We got Chili, chim Chili. That's right
in Atlanta. You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Chili?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Plug it to the coaches.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Man, rob I needs to go to a Pogis game
and go down to Tijuana and take mains down there
and let him falling out because evident that he's not
getting enough loves. If he got time to be thinking
about live.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yours spot on. I got to get san Diego Leon.
He sped up, I told you split up and sayd
what what me? But I read that's right.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Probably got split up right exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
But he need when the NBA coaches, like I was
listening to you tell him and you were talking about
calling out those clayers. And I think that one thing
that that those guys had in common, whether they were
vocal with the voice or vocal with the player, they
were leaders in the locker room. And so they allowed
the coaches, you know, some leeway. Jim Dunky didn't say
a lot, but you know they knew he was the
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ultimate leader in that right. He led Kobe with his
voice might with his voice. Joe Montana was quiet, but
you know he did it. And I think they're analyzed
the difference. I think the reason why vin Ham got
fired because Lebron wasn't the leader, uh you know doctors.
He wasn't that type of leader. Pirie and kd weren't
that type of leader. So coaches could not withstand, you know,
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what went on in the locker room. And I think
that sometimes is the difference that even if you have
those star players. I think sometimes they either have to
do it with the quiet leadership or with you know,
with with a loud voice. And maybe Jokic, you know
he after the season, what he wanted to go back
home and play with his horses. I think he kind
of was differential about, you know, being that leadership, and
(15:30):
I think that may have played a role. So I
think you can have those coaches, but I think, like
when you call it, those players like homes and those
guys like they have to be that type of leader
that can support that coach.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You're fortunate when 'tually you're fortunate when you get a
star player, all time great, like a Michael Jordan who
doesn't mind being coached.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
When you get a Michael Jordan who's telling the ownership,
a lot of guys don't want to be cought right now.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
He's selling ownership. Man, don't get rid of feel. That's
why I was the last day. We're getting ready to
feel no matter what happens in season.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That was it. That's when he left too.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, And so when you have a Michael Jordan who's
the greatest ever, but he's still like coach me, I
still want to be coached, talking and field relationship and building.
When you have the Steph Curry, one of the top
maybe one, two, three best in the last decade, you know,
as far as notoriety and winning, and he still loves
Kerr wants to be coached.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's a special relationship.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That's why I said the ultimate thing is if you
can mess around and land your star player and pairing
with that coach, you guys can get a five to
ten year run together.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
That's special.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Who else we got eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox?
What about Drew in New Jersey?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Drew?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Hey guys?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You guys doing want tonight?
Speaker 6 (16:39):
How are you good?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I think it's in the NBA it's players over coaches.
I think in college basketball it's definitely coaches over players
because of the scheme. I think that's why we're, you know,
not killing Super Flag as much as we're killing John
Tryer right now, which well deserved. I think the last
coach at really mattered where it was arguable who was
(17:03):
more valuable was probably Mike Antoni in Phoenix. Was it
Mike Antoni or was it Steve Nash?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
You know what I'm saying as far as.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Impact right because I his system I get because we
saw that same system work with James Harden exactly.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But I got one more point.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
I think what I think coaches in the NBA actually
are just fall guys. So when it's not going good,
I can blame this person. That way, I constantly have
a chance next season. And that's where if I'm an
NBA coach, I get that one year of experience and
I try to use that in college basketball. I think
Mike Malone would be a great college basketball coach because
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of his personality.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Interesting, right, just go in there and get some resident.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
There'll be an opportunity in the NBA because he wont
a title, you know what I mean, somebody will be like,
oh yeah, and he has a reputation as a really
good coach. But do the players really want to be
coached anymore. It's they don't want to be criticized, they
don't want to be coached.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's it's it's not me, he said.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
They weren't watching film and you and you've seen though Bickerstaff.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I remember when somebody got fired earlier, went off.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, like these coaches because they were in a fraternity
and they see what's going on, like they're they're they're
the ones who get all the blame when things aren't
going right and they and they get very little credit
now even when they win.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Can I can I let me let me add to
this too a little other point of like when you
look at some of the all time greats, Magic Johnson,
Isaiah Thomas, Larry Bird, they all refer some of them
will literally the person who does their induction in the
Hall of Fame will be like their high school coach
because they got coached so well that they understand the value.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah I'm good.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, I'm Magic arguably a top five six player of
all time depending on where you want to put him.
But I love my coach. Yeah I'm Larry Bird. But
it's not that they can't do well without other coaches.
But like there's something too that if you look at
like Bobby Knight coaching Isaiah Thomas, how much he still
references that, Michael Jordan still talking about Dean Smith, how
much they referenced that, Like I was coaching, how much
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the fundamentals and the understanding of the game. When they
get to the league, they realize I need that to win,
I still need to be coached, I still need to
be taught. I still need to have that other set
of eyes, you know, because I can't see everything. Somebody,
hey man, I know when you're starting to go left,
you're not doing it, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Pulling up.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I remember people as I was a young writer who
helped me and told me, told me what to eliminade
and all that. I remember those conversations like Robbie, you're
a good writer, but you need to do this, you
need to do that, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And you do remember that stuff, and you know that
people have spent time and taught you how to make
the right pass and what you need to do. It's
hard to forget that. But I just think now guys
are so caught up this devalued.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So they grew up since they were like sixteen, having
fifteen personal trained, personal training, so they don't have like coaching,
and I feel like that is dwindling the value of it.
But I mean, it's been happening for years. I don't
want to make it like it's a current thing. I
mean people have been fired in the six We talked
about Sevnays eighties nineties two said wait, why they fire him?
Happens all the time. But when you can get that
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perfect marriage, I said it again, when you can lock
in with a Tim Duncan, I can lock in with
a Papovich. I got something special when I got my
Bill Belichick, Tom Brady. Not that they're not gonna bump
hiss and every year ain't gonna be easy, but I
got that. I'm good and I have my Patrick Mahomes
and my Andy Reid. I've got something going there. And
that's what you hope. That's the perfect case scenario, all right.
Rashat Phillips National Championship game last night, A great game
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until really the last shot. We'll talk about there, that
game and what he saw there with him in just
a moment. And we are joined now by Rashat Phillips
basketball analyst, former players. We already know I was gonna
beat me to it. RP three natural on Twitter, X
rashot man, what's up, bro?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
What's happening?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
How y'all doing doing good?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Many?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Hey, before we get started, we're gonna we got sound
of the last time he was on the Odd Couple
talking about out the winner for the NCAA Men's basketball Tournament.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
I picked Florida to win it all.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, Flora.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I think Florida wins it all because I feel like,
in order to win the national championship, you got to
do two things. You gotta you gotta be able to
play defense, you got to be able rebound. And the
additional bonus things you've got to be able to do
is score big points and you have to have death.
I feel like when you look at the Florida Gators,
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they check all of those boxes. So I picked them
to win it all.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
They don't call them Yoda for the reason man's Yoda.
That boy be right.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So so let me ask you this with Sean when
when they were down by fourteen in the second.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Shaken a little bit, you know what I'm saying, where
you're like, maybe I.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Was wrong, No, because I'm I'm gonna share a little
inside scoop with you guys of just you know, being
out there and playing in Mars Maddens and being a
fetis the thing. The secret is, it's really hard to
play in that type of atmosphere when you have the
lead mm.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Hmm, nervous.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
There's a lot of things that go into play when
you're in the lead in those type of games. And
those type of platforms. So to answer your question, Rob
Houston having the lead, I almost was happy with them
having the lead because I knew they weren't going to
be able to sustain it. You look at the you
(22:35):
look at the you look at that game, and you
look at the duke games. Who had the lead?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right?
Speaker 6 (22:42):
The team, the team that has the lead in these
march madness games tend to lose.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
All right, told you, let me ask you this. Okay,
I got that, But there's some coaching stuff. Come on
with sad and let's go to the Duke game. Can't
get the ball in off of pressure like that? That's
no shock if you're a basketball player and the coach,
all right, we're going to practice pressure, getting the ball
in bounds, whatever it may be. Why are those meltdowns?
(23:15):
Why do the Is it the kids? The coaches haven't
gotten prepared?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Why do those things happen?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I can't. I can't rock with that. When with the coaches,
the coaches don't play the coaches don't play those kids.
This is game forty for those kids. This is not
Game one. You can blame the coaches when you're early
in the season, When when you when you're game three,
Game four and it's like, man, dude couldn't get the
(23:43):
ball in or game forty. It's not the coach nine.
Game forty. Okay, kids got the kids got to learn
how to play under chaotic moments. That's what March's madness
is about. This is not just a random Tuesday in
January when you're playing Akron and nobody's really watching but
(24:07):
the local radio station and the thirteen hundred people in
the stand rights. It's the entire world is watching from
on TV. And then you got seventy seventy sixty seventy
thousand people watching you. So that's not coaching. It becomes
(24:28):
pressure does two things. It makes big time players or
it makes a coward of us. All so in those moments,
we got to see in the Final four with Duke
in Houston, and then we saw Houston and Florida. We
saw it happened to Duke, and then two days later
it happened to Houston.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
All right, let's go to the Houston one.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
In the last one twenty one of the game, they
get no shots, four turnovers, and then even the last
play of the game, you gotta put that shot up
there's no right. Yeah, maybe he found you gotta put
it up. Putting it down on the floor because you
don't want to get called for a travel makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The first half. This is the final show.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
You gotta put it up, like I'm I'm double pumping
that thing, flicking it with my left hand. I gotta
get it. I gotta get it towards the rim. You
gotta give it a chance. It's it's almost like, and
I know Robb's of baseball, he's a great baseball mind.
So it's almost like it's a three to two count.
You gotta swing like you can't. You can't be like,
(25:35):
I'm I'm gonna see if he's just gonna throw a
ball on this on the three to two, Like if
you throw a sinker out of the zone, I'm swinging
at it. If I'm swinging at the ball. So this
is one of those situations where just because the kid
is about to challenge you, you gotta double pump that
thing and try to wrap it around his arm and
(25:56):
get it towards the basket.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Shot go ahead.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
That's what happened, and so that's what that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, you definitely want to at least get it up
and let's chant team get a chance to get a
rebound or something. With our guest basketball analyst, former player himself,
you mentioned, you know back when you were playing, man,
what is it like with without having continuity? You you
played what I'm assuming all four yeah, all four years,
(26:22):
and you know you had some good player. Willie Green
was on that team. There's something I was talking about earlier,
where these guys, this guy this is his third Sweet
sixteen because he was on this team before that, the
other team before that, And like, how much do you
attribute maybe the lack of the flowing, tight games because
they don't have each other. We didn't play We're not
Garrant Hill, Bobby Hurley, Charsty.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
We've been through.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
We got beat down by UNLV last year. We know
we're gonna do this next year and get them back.
You know what I mean, we don't have that. How
much do you put into that?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
I put a lot in the continuity. You gotta be
able to know your personnel. You gotta know your guys.
You gotta know your teammates. You got to know what
makes them kick, You got to know what frustrates them.
You got to know how to talk to them and me,
you know, And I can just speak from my own
experience as the player that I was fifty. I have
fourteen different teammates, that's fourteen different personalities. So I knew
(27:19):
when any of those teammates were in the game. I
knew that I can talk to Willie Green a certain
way and he'll get him going. I knew I can
talk to Greg Grays a certain way and get him going.
I knew I couldn't yell at this teammate because he
shuts down if I yell at him. I know I
can yell at this teammates because that gets him going.
That's an important piece when you're playing in these chaotic
(27:44):
type of games, like we were fortunate enough to make
it to the Final four and the NI my senior year,
and we had some big wins in March Madness my
freshman and sophomore year, and it came down to really
understanding the temperament of your team mates. And I think
a lot of these kids today they're not they don't
play that way. Great leaders have to learn their surroundings.
(28:08):
And I felt Florida, and like I said in the clip,
I felt Florida had the best continuity. I watched that
team all year. I know the kind of coach Todd
Golden is. I know the kind of leader Walter Clayton
junior was, So I watched how he communicated with his teammates.
So again, Rob said Houston was up fourteen. It was
never a doubt in my mind that Florida was going
(28:29):
to lose that game. I was like, they're going to
win that game because they They've come back from a
lot of teams all year round, and they played in
the most explosive conference in college basketball, which was the SEC.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Hey real quick before we let you go, Cooper flag.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Obviously, folks are saying he's going to be the number
one pick, could have been a number one pick coming
out of high school if he was allowed to What
do you make of his game? What do you make
of him as a pro? And there's zero percent chance
he comes back right, tries to get a Natty next year.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yeah, he's not going back. He's not going back to school.
I think he's a really good player. I think a
lot of times we gotta we got to get out
of the comps of trying to compare it, dudes to
all time great. We got to kind of get out
of that. I think that that's something that was wrong
with the game is that I saw somebody compare Walter
Clayton Junior to Steph Curry, and I'm like, can we stopped? Yes,
(29:19):
we gotta stop, Like we got to stop doing that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Stop with the Larry Bird, every white guy what's his name, Morrison?
Other than the ugly mustache that him and Bird shared,
that was about it for me.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't. I think Cooper Flagg is
a fine a fine two player. I think he's fantastic
when it comes to his energy. I think he's fantastic
when it comes to his motor. He still needs to
polish up some things on the offensive side of the
ball to be a dominant one on one score. He
improved upon that throughout the season. From Game one to
(29:54):
Game thirty nine, he became a better offensive player, but
he still has a long way to go as far
as being just an off defensive guy that you can
throw the ball to and he can get a bucket
at the NBA level. Defensively, he gets my highest grade.
I think he's going to be excellent in guarding guys
different positions and making plays. But he's definitely for me.
If I had the number one pick in the draft,
(30:14):
I would draft Cooper Flag because he has proven his
approven track record. He's all. Everywhere he goes, he wins,
and he's going to bring again that continuity to whatever
franchise draft him.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
All right, right, Dereshan, our guy, thank you, man, appreciate
you as always spot on. And he called the National
Championship yoda for no reason. All right, man, we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
No, he's already go yeah our P three natural, go ahead,
give him a follow.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And it was fifty one years ago in Major League Baseball,
something that rocked the sports world, not just the baseball world,
fifty one years ago, and we're going to relive that
coming up next.
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One more time for you boys, Robin Kelvin on a
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Shots at Lebron, speaking of Lebron ninety six ninety three,
A couple of minutes left.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
In the third still a Lakers up there.
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Yeah, good game right now between two teams who just
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Uh, you're go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Fifty one years ago today, that's right, big day in
baseball history in Atlanta, Georgia when mister Hank Aaron stepped
to the plate against Al downing the Dodgers against the Braves.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And this was on NBC. It was a national game.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And let's replay what happened on April eighth, nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
One ball ranks Aaron wading. You have to feel deep
and straight away bast fall of the high drive of
the deep left center field.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Go back to the fan time.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
What a marvelous moment for baseball, What a marvelous moment
for Atlanta and.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
The state of Georgia. What a marvelous moment for the
country in the world.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That was it number seven hundred and fifteen by Hank Aaron.
That was Vin Scully doing the game. That's right, the
late great Vince Scully. And that was a moment in
baseball history. A lot people thought Babe Ruth was the
American hero. And here was a Bay and here was
Hank Aaron breaking his record, and that was it was.
(33:33):
It was huge Steve jumping on on this conversation. Uh,
that was a moment in baseball history.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And a lot of people didn't want Hank Aaron to
break Baby Boo's record. Hate mail they were, They threatened
his kids. I mean, it was. It was a mess
and I'll never forget that moment.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
And that was the Vin Skelly radio call the Dodgers
were in town. Kirk Gowdy did the TV call, but
Vin Skelly's call is noted for two things. One we
had to cut it in the middle there because he
just bowed out and let the crowd noise rolls, which
he loved to do. He grew up as a kid
on those old fashioned huge radios in the living room.
(34:14):
As a kid, he used to actually lie on his
back under the radio and have the sound of the
crowd of a sports event envelope over him.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And he was.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Really good at that as a play by play guy
and kind of letting that tell part of the story.
And then right after the end of the clip that
we heard just now, he kept talking and actually said
the sentence out loud, A black man is getting a
standing ovation in the Deep South.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Absolutely, because it was that it was really.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That groundbreaking and a lot of people did not want
the home run champ to be a black guy.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
And what's crazy about that is that was in nineteen
forty seven, that was nineteen seventy four, and for him
to have to say that, to bring context to the
moment in the situation, it just really lets you know
where we were.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
And that also is two years after the Jackie Robinson speech,
where very late in his life, he was honored and said,
I'd be even more honored if I see a black
face managing one of these teams.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yes, And I'll say this go if you haven't seen
this clip, go watch. And Craig Sager is a reporter
in Atlanta and Atlanta interviewing Hank Aaron at homeplay. But
watch his mother hug him when he comes to home play.
It gives you chills. And I think it was two things.
(35:34):
That he hit the home run, but that he made
it around the bases and was safe.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm really literally, am I right?
Speaker 8 (35:41):
I say the documentary that TBS made, it was so
long ago, it was on video in the nineties. Hank
Aaron chasing the dream, his life story, and they interviewed
his mom and she said, if he's gonna go, you know,
let me go with him.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
She just envelops him with an and that was it.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I'm so glad that you two broke that down, because
sometime I think people need perspective of these things. Weren't
two hundred years ago, you know, this was not that
long ago. I mean, you two were alive.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is coming up next.
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(01:17):
to him about teams melting down at the end of games, the.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Duke and Houston melt down Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, why do those things happen to teams when the pressure.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Mounts?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So we'll do that coming up as well. And you know,
we talked about the Nuggets and Mike Malone getting fired.
I'm trying to get the right words on this. Why
I'm kind of hesitating. And we already know they're great coaches.
(01:51):
We think Mike Malone was a really good, healthy high gay.
Somebody will go on. But I'm starting to wonder. And
I say this, and I bought this up earlier too.
In the NHL, they fired coaches, left him right. The
NBA's turned into that where guys, you win, a couple
of years later, you're out. Mike pell On went one
(02:11):
two years ago, not five years ago, not ten years ago,
two years ago, twenty twenty three, and he's out. Darvin
Ham goes to a Western Conference finals, win's the nd
season tournament, and the next year he's out like that.
And I'm starting to wonder when you look at coaching,
(02:32):
especially in the NBA, I think coaching in the NFL
is different because it's about schemes and getting people in
the right situations, and you got twenty two players total
right out there. I think coaching is is huge in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I completely like a Bill Belichick. I look at Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I mean I look at what he did with He
got Kevin Coop paid because he was under the right
system with Andy Reid. Michael Vic can't come back Player
of the Year balling out MVP Candick because he was
under Andy Reid. So yeah, absolutely, they might you get
the right guy, right coach, right Alex Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But in the NBA, I'm more convinced than ever that
it's the players, not the coach. And that doesn't mean
that the coach doesn't do anything or figure stuff out.
But when you're talking about only having two players that
really matter, sometimes three.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But if you have Kobe and Shaq, you can win.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I'm okay, you got People are giving the Lakers chance
now because they got Lebron and Luca. You start to
look around and you're looking at the Tatum and Brown
they won, okay, And you could say, well, Udoka was
the coach there, and they look like they're gonna win
a championship, are on their way, and they put in
(03:48):
Missoula in and boom, Missoula wins. Yep, So where are
you as far as is it the coach? Is it
Phil Jackson the Triangle or was it Michael Jordan and
Scottie Pippen. Is it Phil Jackson and what he's doing
that as far as dealing with personalities or was it
(04:09):
Shaq and Kobe? And you could go on with all
these teams, even the Celtics when they won their different coaches.
Bill Fitch was a coach, Ksey Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Was a coach.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It didn't matter, right, Yeah, but you know what I
mean during that time with the wood.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Wood it was like three you know, I'm watching it
right now. Celtic City.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, and they had different coach and there's still one champion.
It didn't matter who was coaching. They had to play
with this guy named Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And that's why I think in the NBA it is
a players league. It's about players.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It doesn't mean that you can do it without coaching,
because don't you remember one year Kyrie said that he
do we really need a coach?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We can do this about Steve Nash. Yeah, that's what
it was, ye, do we really need a coach? Maybe
we could just go out and play.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I mean he might have been right though, because we
ain't seen Steve since. We've just seen him on the
podcast with Lebron.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But where are you on this? Am I in left field?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You're not in left field? I think absolutely.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
The NBA has done nothing but show us, hey, we
can do this with or without you, and that owners
and general managers are willing to part ways.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
We just keep mentioning it.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Four out of the six last coaches to win a
title ended up getting fired.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And that has happened before.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It's happened throughout history, not even just recent, It's happened
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, look at Doc Rivers.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
You know you win, you go back to another title
with the Celtics, you know you're losing Game seven of
the Lakers. You would think, man, I'm good. Almost won
two rings a year or two letter. He's gone getting traded.
Of all things, you traded a coach. So the NBA
has shown that here is the perfect scenario. What I want,
Rod Parker, what I want. It's like in a marriage.
(05:50):
It's like a happy union. I want a perfect marriage.
And what I mean is give me Tim Duncan perfect.
Bang on my chest if you think I'm perfect go ahead,
bang on it. Give me Tim Duncan and Greg Nobody.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Got that line, come Steve. I was baking on Steve
getting Steve no bang on my chest.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
If you think I'm perfect, go ahead, bang on it.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a Tim Man, no heart, I forgot you do
watch that weekly? Yes, I'm sorry. That's my bad, and
I love that. I love the Wizard of Use. Give
me Tim Duncans, what a that go?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's hollow? The Tim Smith forgot to give me a hat?
You know, Steve, want to watch a movie with or
watch shows?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No heart?
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, you're the person who you know every line and
it's yeah, it's like, why didn't I just pay you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
To just you know, repeat the lines? All right? You
got anymore?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Give me Tim Duncan and Greg Popovich. Give me Kobe,
specifically Kobe with Phil Jackson, right, because I'm getting the
three with Shack and I'm getting the two without Shack.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Give me the perfect marriage.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I think that's the way you can lock into something special,
because you can get a coach pop in win one
and then he's gone Budenheizer with the with the bucks, right, Oh,
Nick Nurse with the yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Or what was it really Kawhi came to Toronto and
they won. Was bounce bounced. Remember that, that's how close
it were from not.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Even name Seth versus Philly Yup.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So to me, the way to become dynastic is you
get the Steve curR and I got my Steph Curry.
I got my Phil Jackson, I got my mic I
got my Phil Jackson, I got my Kobe, I got
my Tim Duncan, I got my Greg Popovich. I think
those are the gay I got pat Riley. I got
my Magic Johnson. That's the way you become dynastic. So
I think you can get one offs. You can win
(07:31):
a random championship here there, you can do a little
something like that. But to really really win and become
a place where you're dominating, I need my Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And mi Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I need my Bill Belichick and my Tom Brady, Bill
Wash Joe Montana. That's what I want. I want the
perfect marriage, don't we all boa I had it for
a five minute. I don't think you are. I don't
even think you want it anymore. So that's for me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think I'm good.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, I think you can obviously win without you know,
having a sustained coach, and we seeing guys pop off
one here and there. But I just think it's if
you can lock in, you can have if you can
have your Chuck daily with the Pistons and you go
to three straight finals in eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety,
you win two to three.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You got something cooking there, and so to me, that's
what I'm trying to find. I want to find my
guy paired with my superstar and let them be peanut
butter and jelly, which always goes well breakfast. Letch your dynner, Steve,
give me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'm sorry, that's what I want.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I'm just curious as we continue to go on and
there aren't that many coaches. You know, the longevity thing
is out, and I think the players the power, the money,
and they just move on.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
If you don't win, or players.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Aren't feeling you or whatever, they'll just move on from you.
Very seldom. There's one situation and we got to call
it out in Miami when Lebron tried to get Eric's
remember that I.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Want him a big doghman all that pat Riders like man,
that's my guy. Yep, and he ain't going nowhere. Bill
hasn't and he's still there making a ton of money. Now,
I ain't won jack They've been to the finals a
couple of times. He's a good coach, but you know
by now you'd want that title. But he's a good coach.
But I respect with Pat Ridley's specifically because it's like,
this is my guy and we've been good with him.
(09:21):
We haven't won everything, but we've been good. We've gone
a couple of finals. This is our guy, and that's
what to me. I respect that. Like riding with somebody,
it always have to be ain't gonna be perfect. The
Warriors were terrible before Jimmy Butler comes down a good
and research like you ride this thing out. It ain't
always gonna be like a great marriage. But does it
ain't always perfect? Every day ain't easy.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
But does that say anything about some of the great coaches.
Does that say anything about Phil Jackson? I mean, he
was a winner, but you gotta admit he's had for
he had four of.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
The greatest players to ever play.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I ain't gonna argue with that, okay, but I'm asking
why couldn't Dale Harris win with Shaq and Kobe. You
know why when Phil Jackson dipped out, they couldn't do
anything without him. They had to call him back. Phil,
what you're doing? Come on back? I'm sorry, come on backfield,
come on back. You know Doug Collins was doing you
know all he was marching up a little bit. Yeah,
(10:09):
but he had Heil Jackson came. He had an issue
with the ownership. I mean, that's Phil Doug. Because Doug
Collins a good coach. No I'm not not, you know,
but Doug and he didn't win anywhere though, right, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Larry Brown was a good coach. I saw it up
front when they beat the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
In just a small tweak whatever he can get, you know,
because the Pistons were good before him.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But but I just wonder, like, like, is it as important?
I just don't think it's as important as other sports.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I really don't that only having five players on your
team out at this at one time talking about that matter?
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That matter?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Because it's if I have two thousand and five to
twenty fifteen Lebron I mean, what you know, I I'm
I have a great chance to win.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
His sixty fifty five fifty eight sixty games.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
And getting to the Eastern Conference finals minimum because he's
just the best player. He's that good if I have
prime Shack for six years, all right, let's.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Throw it out.
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to have the coaching? You could have great players? And
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then we saw that, we saw it. Can we say
that a little bit about the Pistons? Did Monty Williams
really want to be there? Was he coaching? They lost
twenty eight in a row? Bickerstaff's there and now they're
going to the playoffs?
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we got Rasha Phillips, basketball analyst, former player, getting ready
to join us here in just a little bit. Taking
your calls right now. Coaches in the NBA? Do they
matter at all? Do they bring value? Does it matter
current day league? Or is it just simply about the
best players? Who has those eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox taking some calls?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Who we got? We got Chili, chim Chili. That's right
in Atlanta. You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Chili?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Plug it to the coaches.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Man, rob I needs to go to a Pogis game
and go down to Tijuana and take mains down there
and let him falling out because evident that he's not
getting enough loves. If he got time to be thinking
about live.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yours spot on. I got to get san Diego Leon.
He sped up, I told you split up and sayd
what what me? But I read that's right.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Probably got split up right exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
But he need when the NBA coaches, like I was
listening to you tell him and you were talking about
calling out those clayers. And I think that one thing
that that those guys had in common, whether they were
vocal with the voice or vocal with the player, they
were leaders in the locker room. And so they allowed
the coaches, you know, some leeway. Jim Dunky didn't say
a lot, but you know they knew he was the
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ultimate leader in that right. He led Kobe with his
voice might with his voice. Joe Montana was quiet, but
you know he did it. And I think they're analyzed
the difference. I think the reason why vin Ham got
fired because Lebron wasn't the leader, uh you know doctors.
He wasn't that type of leader. Pirie and kd weren't
that type of leader. So coaches could not withstand, you know,
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what went on in the locker room. And I think
that sometimes is the difference that even if you have
those star players. I think sometimes they either have to
do it with the quiet leadership or with you know,
with with a loud voice. And maybe Jokic, you know
he after the season, what he wanted to go back
home and play with his horses. I think he kind
of was differential about, you know, being that leadership, and
(15:30):
I think that may have played a role. So I
think you can have those coaches, but I think, like
when you call it, those players like homes and those
guys like they have to be that type of leader
that can support that coach.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You're fortunate when 'tually you're fortunate when you get a
star player, all time great, like a Michael Jordan who
doesn't mind being coached.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
When you get a Michael Jordan who's telling the ownership,
a lot of guys don't want to be cought right now.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
He's selling ownership. Man, don't get rid of feel. That's
why I was the last day. We're getting ready to
feel no matter what happens in season.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That was it. That's when he left too.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, And so when you have a Michael Jordan who's
the greatest ever, but he's still like coach me, I
still want to be coached, talking and field relationship and building.
When you have the Steph Curry, one of the top
maybe one, two, three best in the last decade, you know,
as far as notoriety and winning, and he still loves
Kerr wants to be coached.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's a special relationship.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
That's why I said the ultimate thing is if you
can mess around and land your star player and pairing
with that coach, you guys can get a five to
ten year run together.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
That's special.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Who else we got eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox?
What about Drew in New Jersey?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Drew?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Hey guys?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You guys doing want tonight?
Speaker 6 (16:39):
How are you good?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I think it's in the NBA it's players over coaches.
I think in college basketball it's definitely coaches over players
because of the scheme. I think that's why we're, you know,
not killing Super Flag as much as we're killing John
Tryer right now, which well deserved. I think the last
coach at really mattered where it was arguable who was
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more valuable was probably Mike Antoni in Phoenix. Was it
Mike Antoni or was it Steve Nash?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
You know what I'm saying as far as.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Impact right because I his system I get because we
saw that same system work with James Harden exactly.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But I got one more point.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
I think what I think coaches in the NBA actually
are just fall guys. So when it's not going good,
I can blame this person. That way, I constantly have
a chance next season. And that's where if I'm an
NBA coach, I get that one year of experience and
I try to use that in college basketball. I think
Mike Malone would be a great college basketball coach because
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of his personality.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Interesting, right, just go in there and get some resident.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
There'll be an opportunity in the NBA because he wont
a title, you know what I mean, somebody will be like,
oh yeah, and he has a reputation as a really
good coach. But do the players really want to be
coached anymore. It's they don't want to be criticized, they
don't want to be coached.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's it's it's not me, he said.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
They weren't watching film and you and you've seen though Bickerstaff.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I remember when somebody got fired earlier, went off.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, like these coaches because they were in a fraternity
and they see what's going on, like they're they're they're
the ones who get all the blame when things aren't
going right and they and they get very little credit
now even when they win.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Can I can I let me let me add to
this too a little other point of like when you
look at some of the all time greats, Magic Johnson,
Isaiah Thomas, Larry Bird, they all refer some of them
will literally the person who does their induction in the
Hall of Fame will be like their high school coach
because they got coached so well that they understand the value.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah I'm good.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, I'm Magic arguably a top five six player of
all time depending on where you want to put him.
But I love my coach. Yeah I'm Larry Bird. But
it's not that they can't do well without other coaches.
But like there's something too that if you look at
like Bobby Knight coaching Isaiah Thomas, how much he still
references that, Michael Jordan still talking about Dean Smith, how
much they referenced that, Like I was coaching, how much
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the fundamentals and the understanding of the game. When they
get to the league, they realize I need that to win,
I still need to be coached, I still need to
be taught. I still need to have that other set
of eyes, you know, because I can't see everything. Somebody,
hey man, I know when you're starting to go left,
you're not doing it, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Pulling up.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I remember people as I was a young writer who
helped me and told me, told me what to eliminade
and all that. I remember those conversations like Robbie, you're
a good writer, but you need to do this, you
need to do that, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And you do remember that stuff, and you know that
people have spent time and taught you how to make
the right pass and what you need to do. It's
hard to forget that. But I just think now guys
are so caught up this devalued.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
So they grew up since they were like sixteen, having
fifteen personal trained, personal training, so they don't have like coaching,
and I feel like that is dwindling the value of it.
But I mean, it's been happening for years. I don't
want to make it like it's a current thing. I
mean people have been fired in the six We talked
about Sevnays eighties nineties two said wait, why they fire him?
Happens all the time. But when you can get that
(20:11):
perfect marriage, I said it again, when you can lock
in with a Tim Duncan, I can lock in with
a Papovich. I got something special when I got my
Bill Belichick, Tom Brady. Not that they're not gonna bump
hiss and every year ain't gonna be easy, but I
got that. I'm good and I have my Patrick Mahomes
and my Andy Reid. I've got something going there. And
that's what you hope. That's the perfect case scenario, all right.
Rashat Phillips National Championship game last night, A great game
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until really the last shot. We'll talk about there, that
game and what he saw there with him in just
a moment. And we are joined now by Rashat Phillips
basketball analyst, former players. We already know I was gonna
beat me to it. RP three natural on Twitter, X
rashot man, what's up, bro?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
What's happening?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
How y'all doing doing good?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Many?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Hey, before we get started, we're gonna we got sound
of the last time he was on the Odd Couple
talking about out the winner for the NCAA Men's basketball Tournament.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
I picked Florida to win it all.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, Flora.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I think Florida wins it all because I feel like,
in order to win the national championship, you got to
do two things. You gotta you gotta be able to
play defense, you got to be able rebound. And the
additional bonus things you've got to be able to do
is score big points and you have to have death.
I feel like when you look at the Florida Gators,
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they check all of those boxes. So I picked them
to win it all.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
They don't call them Yoda for the reason man's Yoda.
That boy be right.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So so let me ask you this with Sean when
when they were down by fourteen in the second.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Shaken a little bit, you know what I'm saying, where
you're like, maybe I.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Was wrong, No, because I'm I'm gonna share a little
inside scoop with you guys of just you know, being
out there and playing in Mars Maddens and being a
fetis the thing. The secret is, it's really hard to
play in that type of atmosphere when you have the
lead mm.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Hmm, nervous.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
There's a lot of things that go into play when
you're in the lead in those type of games. And
those type of platforms. So to answer your question, Rob
Houston having the lead, I almost was happy with them
having the lead because I knew they weren't going to
be able to sustain it. You look at the you
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look at the you look at that game, and you
look at the duke games. Who had the lead?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right?
Speaker 6 (22:42):
The team, the team that has the lead in these
march madness games tend to lose.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
All right, told you, let me ask you this. Okay,
I got that, But there's some coaching stuff. Come on
with sad and let's go to the Duke game. Can't
get the ball in off of pressure like that? That's
no shock if you're a basketball player and the coach,
all right, we're going to practice pressure, getting the ball
in bounds, whatever it may be. Why are those meltdowns?
(23:15):
Why do the Is it the kids? The coaches haven't
gotten prepared?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Why do those things happen?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I can't. I can't rock with that. When with the coaches,
the coaches don't play the coaches don't play those kids.
This is game forty for those kids. This is not
Game one. You can blame the coaches when you're early
in the season, When when you when you're game three,
Game four and it's like, man, dude couldn't get the
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ball in or game forty. It's not the coach nine.
Game forty. Okay, kids got the kids got to learn
how to play under chaotic moments. That's what March's madness
is about. This is not just a random Tuesday in
January when you're playing Akron and nobody's really watching but
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the local radio station and the thirteen hundred people in
the stand rights. It's the entire world is watching from
on TV. And then you got seventy seventy sixty seventy
thousand people watching you. So that's not coaching. It becomes
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pressure does two things. It makes big time players or
it makes a coward of us. All so in those moments,
we got to see in the Final four with Duke
in Houston, and then we saw Houston and Florida. We
saw it happened to Duke, and then two days later
it happened to Houston.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
All right, let's go to the Houston one.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
In the last one twenty one of the game, they
get no shots, four turnovers, and then even the last
play of the game, you gotta put that shot up
there's no right. Yeah, maybe he found you gotta put
it up. Putting it down on the floor because you
don't want to get called for a travel makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The first half. This is the final show.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
You gotta put it up, like I'm I'm double pumping
that thing, flicking it with my left hand. I gotta
get it. I gotta get it towards the rim. You
gotta give it a chance. It's it's almost like, and
I know Robb's of baseball, he's a great baseball mind.
So it's almost like it's a three to two count.
You gotta swing like you can't. You can't be like,
(25:35):
I'm I'm gonna see if he's just gonna throw a
ball on this on the three to two, Like if
you throw a sinker out of the zone, I'm swinging
at it. If I'm swinging at the ball. So this
is one of those situations where just because the kid
is about to challenge you, you gotta double pump that
thing and try to wrap it around his arm and
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get it towards the basket.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Shot go ahead.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
That's what happened, and so that's what that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, you definitely want to at least get it up
and let's chant team get a chance to get a
rebound or something. With our guest basketball analyst, former player himself,
you mentioned, you know back when you were playing, man,
what is it like with without having continuity? You you
played what I'm assuming all four yeah, all four years,
(26:22):
and you know you had some good player. Willie Green
was on that team. There's something I was talking about earlier,
where these guys, this guy this is his third Sweet
sixteen because he was on this team before that, the
other team before that, And like, how much do you
attribute maybe the lack of the flowing, tight games because
they don't have each other. We didn't play We're not
Garrant Hill, Bobby Hurley, Charsty.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
We've been through.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
We got beat down by UNLV last year. We know
we're gonna do this next year and get them back.
You know what I mean, we don't have that. How
much do you put into that?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
I put a lot in the continuity. You gotta be
able to know your personnel. You gotta know your guys.
You gotta know your teammates. You got to know what
makes them kick, You got to know what frustrates them.
You got to know how to talk to them and me,
you know, And I can just speak from my own
experience as the player that I was fifty. I have
fourteen different teammates, that's fourteen different personalities. So I knew
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when any of those teammates were in the game. I
knew that I can talk to Willie Green a certain
way and he'll get him going. I knew I can
talk to Greg Grays a certain way and get him going.
I knew I couldn't yell at this teammate because he
shuts down if I yell at him. I know I
can yell at this teammates because that gets him going.
That's an important piece when you're playing in these chaotic
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type of games, like we were fortunate enough to make
it to the Final four and the NI my senior year,
and we had some big wins in March Madness my
freshman and sophomore year, and it came down to really
understanding the temperament of your team mates. And I think
a lot of these kids today they're not they don't
play that way. Great leaders have to learn their surroundings.
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And I felt Florida, and like I said in the clip,
I felt Florida had the best continuity. I watched that
team all year. I know the kind of coach Todd
Golden is. I know the kind of leader Walter Clayton
junior was, So I watched how he communicated with his teammates.
So again, Rob said Houston was up fourteen. It was
never a doubt in my mind that Florida was going
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to lose that game. I was like, they're going to
win that game because they They've come back from a
lot of teams all year round, and they played in
the most explosive conference in college basketball, which was the SEC.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Hey real quick before we let you go, Cooper flag.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Obviously, folks are saying he's going to be the number
one pick, could have been a number one pick coming
out of high school if he was allowed to What
do you make of his game? What do you make
of him as a pro? And there's zero percent chance
he comes back right, tries to get a Natty next year.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yeah, he's not going back. He's not going back to school.
I think he's a really good player. I think a
lot of times we gotta we got to get out
of the comps of trying to compare it, dudes to
all time great. We got to kind of get out
of that. I think that that's something that was wrong
with the game is that I saw somebody compare Walter
Clayton Junior to Steph Curry, and I'm like, can we stopped? Yes,
(29:19):
we gotta stop, Like we got to stop doing that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Stop with the Larry Bird, every white guy what's his name, Morrison?
Other than the ugly mustache that him and Bird shared,
that was about it for me.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't. I think Cooper Flagg is
a fine a fine two player. I think he's fantastic
when it comes to his energy. I think he's fantastic
when it comes to his motor. He still needs to
polish up some things on the offensive side of the
ball to be a dominant one on one score. He
improved upon that throughout the season. From Game one to
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Game thirty nine, he became a better offensive player, but
he still has a long way to go as far
as being just an off defensive guy that you can
throw the ball to and he can get a bucket
at the NBA level. Defensively, he gets my highest grade.
I think he's going to be excellent in guarding guys
different positions and making plays. But he's definitely for me.
If I had the number one pick in the draft,
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I would draft Cooper Flag because he has proven his
approven track record. He's all. Everywhere he goes, he wins,
and he's going to bring again that continuity to whatever
franchise draft him.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
All right, right, Dereshan, our guy, thank you, man, appreciate
you as always spot on. And he called the National
Championship yoda for no reason. All right, man, we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
No, he's already go yeah our P three natural, go ahead,
give him a follow.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And it was fifty one years ago in Major League Baseball,
something that rocked the sports world, not just the baseball world,
fifty one years ago, and we're going to relive that
coming up next.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Also, and Last Call eight seven seven not it out
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you couldn't get into, This is your chance. It's the
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It is the couple.
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One more time for you boys, Robin Kelvin on a
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Shots at Lebron, speaking of Lebron ninety six ninety three,
A couple of minutes left.
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In the third still a Lakers up there.
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Yeah, good game right now between two teams who just
went out it a couple of nights ago.
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Uh, you're go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Fifty one years ago today, that's right, big day in
baseball history in Atlanta, Georgia when mister Hank Aaron stepped
to the plate against Al downing the Dodgers against the Braves.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And this was on NBC. It was a national game.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And let's replay what happened on April eighth, nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
One ball ranks Aaron wading. You have to feel deep
and straight away bast fall of the high drive of
the deep left center field.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Go back to the fan time.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
What a marvelous moment for baseball, What a marvelous moment
for Atlanta and.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
The state of Georgia. What a marvelous moment for the
country in the world.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That was it number seven hundred and fifteen by Hank Aaron.
That was Vin Scully doing the game. That's right, the
late great Vince Scully. And that was a moment in
baseball history. A lot people thought Babe Ruth was the
American hero. And here was a Bay and here was
Hank Aaron breaking his record, and that was it was.
(33:33):
It was huge Steve jumping on on this conversation. Uh,
that was a moment in baseball history.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And a lot of people didn't want Hank Aaron to
break Baby Boo's record. Hate mail they were, They threatened
his kids. I mean, it was. It was a mess
and I'll never forget that moment.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
And that was the Vin Skelly radio call the Dodgers
were in town. Kirk Gowdy did the TV call, but
Vin Skelly's call is noted for two things. One we
had to cut it in the middle there because he
just bowed out and let the crowd noise rolls, which
he loved to do. He grew up as a kid
on those old fashioned huge radios in the living room.
(34:14):
As a kid, he used to actually lie on his
back under the radio and have the sound of the
crowd of a sports event envelope over him.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And he was.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Really good at that as a play by play guy
and kind of letting that tell part of the story.
And then right after the end of the clip that
we heard just now, he kept talking and actually said
the sentence out loud, A black man is getting a
standing ovation in the Deep South.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Absolutely, because it was that it was really.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That groundbreaking and a lot of people did not want
the home run champ to be a black guy.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
And what's crazy about that is that was in nineteen
forty seven, that was nineteen seventy four, and for him
to have to say that, to bring context to the
moment in the situation, it just really lets you know
where we were.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
And that also is two years after the Jackie Robinson speech,
where very late in his life, he was honored and said,
I'd be even more honored if I see a black
face managing one of these teams.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yes, And I'll say this go if you haven't seen
this clip, go watch. And Craig Sager is a reporter
in Atlanta and Atlanta interviewing Hank Aaron at homeplay. But
watch his mother hug him when he comes to home play.
It gives you chills. And I think it was two things.
(35:34):
That he hit the home run, but that he made
it around the bases and was safe.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm really literally, am I right?
Speaker 8 (35:41):
I say the documentary that TBS made, it was so
long ago, it was on video in the nineties. Hank
Aaron chasing the dream, his life story, and they interviewed
his mom and she said, if he's gonna go, you know,
let me go with him.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
She just envelops him with an and that was it.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I'm so glad that you two broke that down, because
sometime I think people need perspective of these things. Weren't
two hundred years ago, you know, this was not that
long ago. I mean, you two were alive.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is coming up next.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I never miss your radio show. I never hear it,
so I never miss it.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
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