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January 13, 2025 36 mins

Rob and Kelvin provide up-to-the-minute analysis of the divisional showdown between the Minnesota Vikings and the Los Angeles Rams, explain why Justin Herbert deserves to be criticized for his history of playoff failures and tell us why the rumors linking Deion Sanders to the Dallas Cowboys don't make any sense. 

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should be big hour coming up. We're looking forward to it.
Dave de Chemick Damashack. I tried it, Dave Damashak, and
uh he agrees with me about Tomlin. We'll talk to him.
He of course hosts the check show on YouTube. So

(01:18):
we're looking forward to uh chopping it up and also
last call in case you couldn't get in the topics
that we had earlier in the program. You'll be able
to join us.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Uh, we're starting to talk about somebody who.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Let's give you an update on score ten three, right,
the touchdown didn't count ten three. They're rams up and
now the Vikings are starting to drive. They're they're running
the football.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Okay, this game is going to far from over. Oh yeah,
I think hopefully we get a good game. Second hand,
I've only had one game. I want them to go
down playoffs look like college college football play they did.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean, only had one good game. That was last
night's game.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, hopefull That's what I'm saying. This is when it
looks like it might be a good one. Some defenses
playing offense moving a little bit too well, that was
not would be the Chargers and the Chargers right now,
Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers did not look good.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Can you give me a little bit of credit for
gaz Did I say that?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I did?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I did? I've said all year I was like, I'm
not buying into them.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, they and Nora is Rex Ryan right now.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
He was not buying into the Texans and now he's
sent somewhere like wondering how you gotta get a job.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Still, Like, clearly you don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
He was talking about bye week for the Texans. You know,
I don't know, teeth gotten away or something. I don't
know what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right, you've gotten away?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Oh wait, I know you're not talking you snutes talking
about his chick lits. They look like remember that scene.
That scene is something about Mary. That's what reminds you.
Remember that rocks heat when my man got.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
The chick litz. That's what's going No, you don't want your.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Teeth to beat out nobody's teeth or that white.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
It can't be when the US somebody goes say, hey, yo, shoot,
I need a flashlight. Y'all get rest to smile. So
there's somebody we gotta start talking about a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
And that is.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Justin Herbert aka Justin Sherbert for me, Wow, yeah, because
I like him and all I heard you rip anybody
we've been together for I guess my rip.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
On when I need to.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
And I don't like when certain people get blamed, certain
people get called out, and certain people just oh, well,
you know, and they get a pass. And y'all have
heard me talk about thorn for a while. Trevor Lawrence.
Everybody keeps telling us Trevor Lawrence is the one, no, no,
I want to go to. I would love the coach
of Jags. Why because Trevor Lawrence is there coming out
of college. You look at him, man, look at him,
Look at the size, look it up me, look and

(03:50):
I hear you. But at some point I'm gonna need
equal criticism that other people start to get. Josh Allen
has been a spectacular career right now. But what do
people say, oh Man, postseason? Postseason is postseason at Lamar
Jackson might be three time MVP. And what did I say,
oh Man, postseason posted? He ain't doing this, he ain't
doing that. Well, now we're starting to get to the

(04:11):
same conversation I need to be had with Justin Herbert,
who'll be playing like Sherbert right now?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
What people were giving him a pass?

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And that's why I'm saying it can no longer be
that right now because he is not looking great in
these postseason games, and he looked terrible as we saw
just a couple this this past game. He has a
passer rating of sixty point seven, five hundred and fifty yards,
a couple touchdowns, four interceptions in two games in his
playoff career.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
He doesn't look great.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
He's not looking like everybody was supposed to be, and
he's not as he was supposed to be efficient this
year because the way Jim Harball has that team looking
with running the ball and using him less.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
He looked bad, He made bad throws.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
And again it's not that he's now all of a
sudden not their franchise quarterback. But I do have to
start saying, hey man, I'm gonna need more out of
you when it comes to the postseason. I'm gonna need
more out of you when it it's come times for
you to make a play. Now what that Jim Harball
also needs to do. Jim Harball also needs to understand, Rob,
this ain't Michigan where I can keep reing up on
some of the best defensive players in around the country

(05:11):
and run the ball forty five times and will be
all right. You gonna have to get some offensive players
up in there, all sinensive players to compliment Justin Herbert,
because in college you can get away with that JJ
McCarthy throw the ball fourteen times and then you can
get to a national championship game. This ain't that. So
I understand having Justin Herbert be efficient all that. You

(05:32):
gonna have to get some Wessons. They got mcake in
there looking like he. Jerry Rice I like him, but
that's all you got. You let Keenan Allen go. You
like beck Williams Holly go Hey, Well, then I'm gonna
need some more offense out of you. So Justin Herbert,
I'm expecting more. Justin Herbert can't play like Sherbert and
Jim Harball. Welcome to the NFL again. Just a reminder,

(05:54):
you gotta have some offensive guys out here, some studs too.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
This ain't college where every year I get.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Another fifty top ten defensive players around the country.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
That ain't gonna cut it.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
You better get some offensive Western weapons around Justin Herbert
as well.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So to me, it's both of them, There's no doubt.
But Justin should get the same.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
That man they calling Lamar Jackson out, I don't care
about vy. What is he doing the post?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You don't forget when they lost to the to the Jaguars.
You remember that when they had the big lead in
the first half and then what the Yeah, that was
one of the all time turnarounds in the postseason game.
So it's not it hasn't been pretty, and nobody's saying
that he's not talented. It's like we have to treat

(06:38):
everybody the same.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
You say about Lamar and Josh Allen, that's all kay,
that's all you talk about is for them.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
But Josh Allen I mean, but but just justin Herbert
is because we get it.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
He looks like a quarterback part it was like Californian hair, flat,
got the look.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Big on all that, and he's got the side and
all all of that, So we get it.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Interception, we get it. That was a terrible throw. That
was That's the terrible throw Tom Brady talked about. He said,
the throw that all they want to see you do
when you're in combines and all that. This is the
throw throw that little out and he just threw a
terrible one. You know who else gets the same thing
we're talking about, Rob Dak Prescott and I understand it,

(07:22):
but he gets that same thing. Twelve games, twelve games,
twelve games postseason? Oh man, last year MVP candidate Dak
Prescott looked great.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You know what happens? What have you done for me
the postseason?

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Dak?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
What's up with you? Dad?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Come on, everybody, let's we stay with that. If you're
gonna do that kind of conversation and you can't. I
heard some analysts give Herbert a pass and the same thing,
Oh well he needs more weapons and this and that.
We get that. We can say that about a lot
of teams and a lot a lot of quarterbacks that
maybe they don't have enough weapons or whatever. That the game.

(07:57):
Why you can't keep throwing the ball to the other team?
Yea foreign exceptions. It's like it's like Jordan Love, dude,
you can't get a pass on that. You can't.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
There's losses right there. I mean, listen, you can lose
a game. That's gonna happen. It's one and done in
the postseason. But you can't be the reason we lost
the game. That part. You can not turning the ball over.
You can be a we just lost to a team.
The Texans are kind of a funny team. They stay
in games and they've won some fluky ones as well.
And all right, you know they got a really good defense,

(08:28):
and okay, I get that, but that game went close.
Yeah that really was they weren't. They just got out
matched out man, they got out tough. So maybe you
could argue for Jim hart Hay, I was ahead of schedule.
Then they coming there expected to be all of a
sudden competing you know from the postseason.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
But they had that schedule two which I told you about.
Then when they won the games, Rob g jumping just quickly.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
I'm glad you guys brought up specifically Lamar jacksoncause I
know Josh Allen gets the reputation for the playoffs, but
he's actually been awesome.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
He just gone against the Chiefs and he just lost
to the Chiefs.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Lamar Jackson is like the poster child right in the
NFL circles as he's great, but looking him in the playoffs,
he comes up, sends you to a pumpkin, and Rob
Parker's as his favorite saying he's terrible. Right, He's one
of the worst playoff performers we've ever seen. Lamar Jackson
averages more yards per game than just Herbert in the playoffs.
His completion percentage is eight points higher, his passer rating

(09:20):
is twenty points higher, his touchdown interception is.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Better, and Justin Herbert. I don't know if it's because he.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Played on Saturday morning and he said no, no, it's
because he played Saturday morning, and you know, Mike Tomlin
was the story at night.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
They didn't get any Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Justin Herbert was like the fifth or sixth biggest story. Yeah,
Justin Herbert.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
He is, uh George Hill who missed the free throw,
and we always blame j R.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Smith.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Back up George Hill like yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe Smith.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
No, you make the free throw. We were up and
we win the game. But yeah, so that's my point.
Justin Herbert, Listen, he's not going anywhere. He is, absolutely
their franchise quarterback. Had a really good season, really efficient.
But my point is to be fair because anytime that's
all y'all say about Lamargin right now, how many times
do we even get calls Rob Lamar, Jackson VPVP, what's

(10:12):
gonna do in the playoffs? Joshall the playoffs? You know,
and Dak Prescott and I understand it.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I get it because certain times you're that good and
that's when you get to that point where that's all
we want to see is how good you're gonna be
in the postseason. I totally understand that. But then we
got to keep the same thing with the key one
the quarterback part.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
He's a guy he just needs to coach. He just
needs it.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Boy, Trevor Lawrence get more excuse than anybody I know.
And and he did get the big love after that
comeback against her. Remember that bag no right, because that
was an all time for sure back and people looked
at him and said man and thought they were gonna
take the next step and he took a step back
with it.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah again.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
And we're not saying Justin Herbert can quarterback my team
any day, but just simply saying some's got to give
in the postseason. You can't be the reason why we lose.
And if you're Jim Harbaugh to me, you have to evolve.
You can't come and think that just all we gonna
do is run for You need some weapons, bro, not
saying you gotta be walking around looking like the greatest
show on turf. You know the the rams of back

(11:13):
in the early two thousands, But you need some weapons.
Y'all can't get it with of Mike Justin, you got
Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, they all those guys without replacing them.
So maybe they're a year ahead of schedule. I'm okay
with that if they were ahead of the schedule and
then they're happy where they are and next season will
get better. This offseason will make some moves, and that's
a possibility. But my thing is justin Herbert definitely can't

(11:35):
be above being criticized. You got to play better in postseason.
Here's the other thing. And I get that, and they
do need other weapons. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
But you were good enough during the year to have
the three interceptions and win all those games, and then
you throw four when it matters most. That's where people
look at you.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
And go, it's some poker.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, it's some puckering up, there's some pure He throw
three interceptions in the last four drives when you're still
kind of in the game, like you keep hey, look
a couple players here, touchdown three and on, we're back
in this thing, and he's turning the ball over, turning
the ball over, and that just can't be especially when
do we say all year, Rob g this is his
most efficient year. Jim Harbaugh has him efficient. They're running

(12:16):
the ball, playing in their defensive strengths, and it's making him,
you know, more efficient in and becoming a more productive
quarterback in that sense, they're not all relying on his
right arm. And when they did rely on it, he didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
He didn't produce all right, eight seven seven ninety nine
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(12:49):
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Speaker 4 (12:51):
Stick and stay unless you like Sherbert ice cream in
the US of egg.

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kind of sort of some breaking news. According to Jordan's

(13:48):
Schultz of course does some stuff with Colin cowherd Uh.
He says that the Dallas Cowboys have been looking at
one Dion Sanders. The Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is spoken
with Colorado head coach Dion Coach Prime about the team's
head coaching vacancy, and discussions are expected to continue regarding
the possibility of him becoming the next head coach of Dallas.

(14:10):
Coach Prime is considered a top candidate, though the Cowboys
plan to interview other candidates as part of the process.
Per team, you know the word sources sources, sources. Uh,
people have tossed this around earlier. Obviously won a Super
Bowl there obviously knows Jerry Jones. Uh lives in Texas.
He being coach Prime, So people have been looking at

(14:34):
this for as a possibility for some time. Jerry Jones.
When Jerry Jones has a very much Lakers type of approach.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Family.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Once you're my guy, you're my guy forever took care
of Zeke. Everybody thought he wouldn't took care of Ceed,
everybody thought took care of Dak Michael Irvin out on
you know, suspended for all types of wild stuff comes
right back. So Jerry Jones has a loyalty to his guys,
and obviously again Dion being there winning a super Bowl
with them one of his guys. So now the interesting

(15:05):
thing is Coach Prime has made it clear a million times.
I love Colorado and he ain't trying to leave Colorado,
and Colorado loves me. And we're doing something special here.
Watch this, we're building this. But I've Coach Prime is
one of those people. Not that I think he's a liar,
but I think if a good position comes and if
it makes sense and somehow, wait.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Man, he said he's not going anywhere less his son.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
He did say multiple sons, multiple son.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
So that's why Jerry Jones story makes Jerry Jones gonna
do something crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
But what can he do? What can he do?

Speaker 4 (15:38):
It looks like fumble and a recovery for a touchdown
for the Rams. I don't see a flag, Do not
see it? A fumble interception on this fumble? Yeah, We'll
have to wait to see the replay here. But yeah,
Coach Prime just said in the last what like seventy
two hours that he ain't going nowhere unless somebody draft

(15:59):
two of his sons and he would go. And as
it stands right now, what are the Cowboys have right now,
rob Zie, they're picking the draft?

Speaker 7 (16:06):
What would it be?

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Well, they're not high enough to draft your Door Sanders
right unless they trade up. But the bigger problem is
they already got a franchise quarterback just playing this game
with me, Fellas.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Why do you disrespect the Travis Hunter and Shiloh? It
might be them.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
If the Dallas Cowboys say, you know, we're going all
in on Coach Prime and the Sanders experience. We're gonna
trade up, get your Door, We're gonna get Shiloh whatever.
In the fourth round. We're gonna trade Dak Prescott to
get the ammunition. So if they were to trade Dak,
you want to know what his cap hits would be
over the next it's not doing three years, sixty five

(16:42):
one three million, Yeah, sixty one million, thirty three million.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Just now that that would be cap suicide by the Cowboy. Now,
there's nothing that they could do. You can't do it?

Speaker 4 (16:55):
But do you put it past coach Prime? Because he
keeps saying no. Everybody asking what you call to the pros,
would you do this? What if it's the paid, what
if it's this was the bear?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know what? And he keeps saying no.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
In fact, he's even said recently that I won't even
let my sons play for certain teams in the NFL
because I know them and I know who you know
where they need to go. Most of the teams are fine.
It's just a few I won't let my sons go to.
And they say, well, what if your son?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
You know?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Organizations say, aren't you your own man?

Speaker 7 (17:20):
He was?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, aren't you gonna not listen to your dad?
He'll be like, who my sons?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
So?

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Uh, I listen, as you know, being in this business
long enough, people who say I would never We ain't
never cutting this person, we ain't never trading him. I
would never go to this team, I would never play.
Stuff happens. I don't see this actually happening, But I
don't still put it past to consider the NBA the NFL.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'm sorry, but how.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
He said he wouldn't play without his kids I'm just
saying that, like, what would be his conversation then if
it's really.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'm playing it out. Okay, the one team you know
them from, not from tex He's front floor. But you
know I've been in Texas, mahomes in Texas. It's where
I go to church with, you know, TD Jakes is
I love the Cowboys to play there. I can see
him giving all those reasons that the one this is
the one team I would skip having my sons there

(18:13):
for that would be like, boy, you threw your que though,
you know on the bhide real coming with some you know,
slip talk, you know that.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
What do you think the trends to him being the
Cowboys on coach Chelsea?

Speaker 4 (18:26):
What your giving me my my rank? Like I'm going, uh, fifteen, Yeah,
it ain't happening. But if there's one team he would
reneg on the whole son's thing for I think it
would be the Cowboys, just with the Jerry Jones to relate.
You know, they get along, they know each other. That
would be the one thing. But I don't think. I
don't think it's happened. I think it really does enjoying

(18:47):
the Colorado, but I think he likes the idea of
being a Nick Saban, Like we're in college. You can
be the man for what Nick Saban got, win some champions.
What I meant was the big dog, right, you can
be that on college campus for.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
But I get that. But but Dion is a great
Hall of Fame player who uh you know, played Major
League baseball as well as football, is in the Pro
Football Hall of Fame. Being at Colorado and being like
the top dog and you don't win anything, how is
that appealing?

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Why you keep saying I'm saying I'm just the year two.
Maybe he feels like he will win something at some point,
man Sam Donald, And I was getting there giving it
to Sam Donald right now?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
You want to give him a hundred up million a year?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
What did I say? I said this before, but I
told you I would not when they were talking about
all the money Sam Donald's gonna make and he's just
that dude.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
But he's been sacked five times, just about to saying
it ain't him. They ain't looking at the defense is
all over. And this is what I was talking about
with Sean McVay, kind of knowing Kevin O'Connell just him.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
But he also threw over through receivers in the Lions.
Game was a big game. Sometimes the games get too
big for somebody. Sam Donald didn't have those four or
five four bad years by accident. Everybody talked to make
it like like, oh now he's just in the right situation.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
That was nice play right there.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Nice playing games over.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's for no, no, no, there's.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Three minutes to go. They score touchdowns. It's a one
score game. That's that's that's if you're more impressive, if
you're the Vikings, that's all you go. You're fine, you're
and you're yeah, you're fine.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
And then the but their defense, you know, at some
point their own defense got to make some plays.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Uh, guys, if I were to tell you that with
three minutes left in the first half, Sam Donald will
be twelve or fourteen and eight yards, you would not
think this game was seventeen to three.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, it's the it's the that that pick on fumble
return is what's changed it. Right now, it would be
ten to three. You score, here's ten ten. It's that
fumble pick up for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Change.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's a big play. Yes, you know what you get, Yeah,
when you get when you get easy points on defense
in the playoffs. It's game changes right there, man.

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Speaker 4 (21:12):
All right, we're now coming to you live from I know,
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It is Yacova, Rob Parker, and Kelvin Washington on the
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(21:33):
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Speaker 1 (21:37):
Happy with you?

Speaker 5 (21:39):
A happy New Year to you, fellas great to yeah
with you. What are we now? Seventy some days from
Paul Skins and the Buckos. That's what people from Pittsburgh
or sports fans are looking forward to. That's the sad
state of affairs.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, no, no doubt. But I'll say this, Paul Skins
is worth it, worth than hey. That dude is a
stud man I watched him pitch a lot last year.
But what I'm not happy about, and I said this earlier,
I said that the Steelers are run by Fred Flintstone
because they live in the past. It's the Stone names.

(22:14):
Can they get off of this idea that their mom
and pop operation and they don't fire coaches? What do
you need to do to get fired? If you're Mike Tomlin?

Speaker 5 (22:24):
It is a fascinating hypothetical to sort of. I know
that's not the ultimate point that what you're getting at,
but really, how bad would it have to get before
if he kept having winning seasons but never winning a
playoff game before Art two pulled the plug in the
Tomlin era. I'm with you, man, And people are tying

(22:46):
themselves into knots about it, and I completely get it because,
like I've been saying the last couple of weeks, Tomlin
is great, but in the regular season, it's like he
is the optimal fiance. Say he's great to you and
sends you flowers and everything else, but then he shows
up to the wedding drunk with a hooker on each arm,

(23:07):
and then that's like, well, then no, you're not really
doing it when it really matters argument.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I would I didn't see that one coming, Dave. I
wasn't ready for that.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
All right, well, let me ask you this, then, what
do they do as far as moving forward? Is Russell
Wilson the guy, he just needs another yearner's belt with
the team? Do they trade him? Do they let him go?
Justin Fiel's a guy? What do you think they do
with the quarterback position? Because a lot of people, we
had calls, and a lot of people say, give him
a quarterback, he just needs a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Yeah, well that's exactly what I think. In the QB league.
You know, it's interesting in you know, depending on how
old you are, you have watched teams win without a
high end quarterback at some point in the twenty first century,
maybe once a decade, but even then, twenty some years
ago was the Brad Johnson thing being carried to a

(23:54):
Super Bowl by that great defense down.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
In all time great defense man that Bucks.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Here's and by the way, if you really want to
do a cold case, I think this is where Mike
Tomlin's philosophy was forged. He was a DB's coach down
there with Tampa that season, and I think that's set
in his mind the philosophy something like Tony Dunge or

(24:20):
Bill Parcell's era football, which you know, field position, don't
hurt the team, don't turn the ball over as an offense,
let the defense carry the day. And one on one
problem is the defense, which is Tomlin's specialty, has not
been carrying the day. So that's issue number one, and
it's a glaring one. But beyond that, even if you

(24:42):
do have a really good defense at this point in
the human on the in the human scale, there's no
evidence that you can win a Super Bowl doing that.
I mean, I know Joe Flacco did it, and it
was only ten twelve years ago, but that was a
long time ago. The rules have continued to evolve and
continue to favor the offense more and more. Look at

(25:03):
the teams in the playoffs. I mean, with the exception
of Pittsburgh, you can make a case that every team
had a pretty strong quarterback.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Now.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
I know, as we speak here, Sam Darnold is falling
on his face and costing himself millions of dollars with
every snap here, but he had the benefit of a
progressive offensive coach, and that's what can offset It's sort
of like what Jared Goff has in Ben Johnson up
in Detroit. But you have to get that position right
to have any success in the postseason. The Steelers aren't there.

(25:33):
Rob is one hundred percent right. They are stuck in
their ways and it's antiquated and it's really killing them.
To answer your question, Kelvin, I think that they know
Russ wants to come back. He's made that clear. You know,
there's very little evidence, once again that a guy at
that age, at thirty seven, in this millennium, is capable
of taking his team to a Super Bowl. The vast

(25:55):
majority of quarterbacks in the twenty first century are between
seasons one and six. It falls off considerably after that.
Russ is pretty deep into his career. For everybody to
look at him and say yeah, like yeah, he can
drive us to the big Game, it's highly unlikely, So
they do have to move on. I would prefer it,
forced to choose, I would take Justin Field with a

(26:18):
second season of Arthur Smith in that very severe run
based the style offense.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, I just don't think when you don't throw the
ball consistently, love I just Justin Fields. I can't see
it unless he starts to throw the ball. I get you.
You can run, you can't be one dimensional. At some
point you're gonna have to be able to throw to
football and I think that's the reason why teams have
moved off of him. But anyway, I want to ask
you about Justin Herbert. I hope you're not on the
excuse trained for him because he hasn't played well in

(26:46):
the postseason either.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
No, and you know now it's gotten to be an issue.
And if you would if we would have had this conversation,
you know, three days ago.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
And this Vikings game is over, it was gonna be
twenty four to three at a half. Wow.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Hey, yeah, the guys I'm really bummed out for where
that's concerned is Nick Saban and Kirk kerb Street. Their
heads are spinning again, right, I mean, in the playoffs,
you have to show you deserve to be there. What
are we even doing? Maybe they'll remember this next year
in the route in the first round of the college
football playoffs that when you have an expanded playoff, the
higher seats tend to beat up on the lower seats.

(27:22):
That's how it goes. Anyway, Yeah, with Herbert, I do
feel like I mean, you know, I hate to do
that be the what have you done for me lately?
A guy in But that's how that league works. And
you know a few days ago I was high on
the future no matter what happened in this game in
Houston for the Chargers. Now though, you know that gets

(27:44):
in your head. These guys are human beings. That is
something that the next time Justin Herbert runs out in
ad January to play a playoff game, it is at
minimum going to be knocking around between his ears. Man,
I have not done well in any of these games before.
People act like, well, they have short term memories. They're
their athletes, so they're high. Yeah, they're more confident than
we are probably, but they're still human beings, still prone

(28:06):
to those emotions. You've seen guys get crushed by that.
So Justin Herbert, now all of a sudden, we would
have said that going into this season, but now twenty
twenty five has yet another for him. Is he the
real deal? I'll say this is a stealer fan. I'm
of Justin Herbert than I would either Russ Wilson or
Justin Fields going into this long stretch of offseason, out

(28:28):
into the desert, we go, all right, Dave.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
We'll get you out of here on this one. We've
been talking about justin aish Allen and Lamarrow season, who's
the MVP, Who's this?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Who's that? Two great players?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Quarterback to me, this is gonna be an amazing, amazing game.
How much rides on this game? I don't want to
say legacy. They're both young guys, but just who do
you say needs it more? What do you expect between
these two teams?

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Oh? Man, this is my favorite subject. And the analytics
people don't love these discussions around the postseason. They say
two smallest sample size. You can't judge quarterbacks based on that.
QB wins isn't a thing. And my response to that is,
oh yes I can and will and so will everybody else.
That is what we pivot off of. Who do we

(29:13):
remember from history? It's the guys who win the big games.
Of course, we're overthinking it and trying to be empathetic
by saying, hey, keep your head up, you have nothing
to hang your head about. Whoever loses this game, Josh
Allen or Lamar Jackson, you'll be back. We don't know that. Obviously,
the greatest example of that is Dan Marino. But there
are other guys like that. I think what's fascinating right

(29:34):
now is they given that they will continue to only
give out one Lombardi Trophy at the end of every year,
the likelihood is increasing that a lot of these guys
that are gonna wind up with gold jackets are never
gonna hold that silver trophy. Dan Marino now along with
Jim Kelly and fran Tarkentent, but it's Marino who looms
above everybody else in that regard. But you're gonna finish

(29:58):
in a decade from now. There's a decent chance that
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson never get over the hump.
And that applies to a lot of these young guys
out there too. They're not that young. They're pretty deep
into their careers, are Lamar and Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I can't believe Lamar won't win. I gotta say that
to you. I of this team and the.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Way he's playing super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, he's going to win. He's going to win, you know,
I'm you know what I mean, He's just gonna have
to be by to the Apple.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Because that's them.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
I don't love him without I don't love him without
Zay Flowers. That hurts them a little bit against a
real good team, obviously going up to Buffalo. I'm big
on head to head results, if you you know between not.
What I don't love is what my old man used
to always do as a diehard Red Sox fan. He
used to say, same, old Red Sox, I can never
win in Baltimore. And I used to say, like, what

(30:48):
happened in nineteen sixty six probably isn't impacting the current players,
but if they played each other, especially this season, I
think it does matter. And it was a while ago
in the season. But the Ravens whipped them.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean they whipped them big fright.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
They destroyed them, No doubt, Dad, We appreciate you, man,
thank you so much for joining. Make sure you give
them a follow dam a check right there on Twitter.
Thank you, Dave, no doubt. All right, we got last
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
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that Mary's going to be in the hot scene on Wednesday.

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Speaker 5 (33:25):
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (33:26):
Have magic to the money man.

Speaker 7 (33:27):
Y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
That's why we're gonna see you pretty soon in New Orleans. MJ.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
You better be.

Speaker 9 (33:32):
Ready lost say yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Hey, we need all the food recommendation. I don't care
about nothing else but food recommendations.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
Gotcha, I got you, guys man heavy belated birthday, Thank you,
Robing get to die of Parker.

Speaker 9 (33:47):
Thank you fifty one children coming your way man, no doubt,
thanks for the last call. I was definitely looking to
you guys when I was wrapping up at work. Cowboys
is no longer ain't coveted job. I'm not sure that
there is a coveted job in the.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
NFL any longer. I mean, I don't think there's a
team that is, but definitely not the Cowboys, because, like
you guys are saying, you have to have a perfect
situation for it to be a coveted job.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Spend some more MJ you were spending.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
I mean, listen, any job in a professional sport is
covered in a sense you only thirty two. Yeah, and
as you know, if you go all sport as leoks
the Big Three, you're looking at like ninety jobs in
the whole country, and you of course want one of those.
But I think what we're saying is it not covet
as much as the ideal situation. So uh, the Cowboys
may not be the ideal situation in the medaling owner
who's the GM who won't necessarily give you the freedom

(34:39):
to do your thing. But listen, any pro job is
a pro job. Ain't too many jobs, Rob Parker. That's
gonna guaran on tee you you know, thirty forty million
dollars because you know you might get a four or
five year deal worth thirty winning whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Thirty million guaranteed. Where are you getting that at?

Speaker 9 (34:56):
Well?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
To all, it's just high profiles, yes and so yeah,
but you driving around Dallas or whatever, and how how
do you think you get treated seriously like, let's not
make it.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
You're the man around. It can get bad real quick
because you can be walking around Philly right now. You
can be walking around.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Saying yeah, but you could walk.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Into DeShawn Deshaun Watson ain't rolling around because you know
he's on a roller right now.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
And it is not all good.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well anyway, Sam McDonald's not good either, And we can
sit here the defense I didn't play well, don't get
me wrong. There's obviously a fumble and a scoop and
score right yep. But now the Vikings are on a
streak of not scoring a touchdown in seventeen or eighteen drop.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
And the offense have been doing o'connells to beat offensive Guru.
He's looking you know, ain't looking like booboo right now.
But Rob you love how you see how Rob Parker
he's not gonna give he ain't gonna give no defense.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
No credit about the whole line and do.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Nothing with the Lions defense. I mean, Chris, Rob g
That's how I shook it.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
He is right, and it called you Chris kids out here.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
In the god you Cris, I am four shades darker
than Cram you are.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
No.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
But my point is, did he not miss people in
the lines?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
We said?

Speaker 6 (36:12):
Yeah about tonight, Rob, you know that he has been
sacked more times in a in a playoff game in
the first half than anybody in the last twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I get it. Was it five sacks seventy six?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Now, yeah, okay, he still was.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
And then Brian flores So worried about the job interviews
even up four under yards a game.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
He worried about that lawsuit. I wouldn't job either one.
He about to get. That's free money, lawsuits, free money.
All right, We'll see how this game shakes out. Maybe
Sam Donald micks a comeback and Rob eats his crew.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
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