Dating Done Differently

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For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpohas been a female home builder with a
passion for design, a mastery ofdetail, and a commitment to her crack.
With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family
on a date with me. That'sa good note. It's goddemn weird.
See. Stumpo Development is the onlysecond generation female construction company in the country.
You're crazy, You're a wacko,You're insane. I mean, it

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just doesn't end together. Cindy andSamantha welcome guests to explore the world of
construction, real estate, development,design and more. Unpredictable. Every time
I think I know what you want, you switch it out. But that's
what makes sure houses all us.They discuss anything that happens between the roof
and the foundation. Nothing is offlimits. You truly do care about everybody.
She can yell at you get scream, but when you get her alone,

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she's the best person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails
and welcome to Cindy Stumper Tough asNails on WVZ News Radio ten third and
I swear to God, they're gonnaput them on my headstone. Okay,
I think's the mining tough as nailslike style. The h GTV even ended
up on my heart media. Hey, who's over there? Who's my new
Blondieunette Burnette? Now know what blondSam? That's your name? Yeah?

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You sure? Yeah? Okay,yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay spell
that one, Sam? Sam?Okay, thank you? Sam eats him?
Okay, who's in the studio?Sam? I don't know? You
tell me. I don't know youtell me. I don't really actually know.
That's really great? That out.Okay, I'll take it from here.
Paul. Great to meet you.I am Paul. That's right,
Paul English. Yes, thanks,last name? Thank you? You're not

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related to Olivia English? Are youin taught English? No? They wish
they were related to me. Ahokay, I like that and Boston Brays
related to everybody. Okay, Paul, tell everybody? What do we hear?
What are we doing? What areyou doing? So right now we're
going to talk about a new appthat I've created with my fiance. It's
called Lola and it's going to everythingyou touch turns to gold. By the

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way, I'm six for six,yes, six or six Okay, I
would say that's platinum, go ahead, Yeah, pretty good me. The
next one's not going to fix everybodywith the sixes. So I'm best known
for Kayak, the travel site,which I started two thousand and four and
took a public and then sold ita price line for two billion dollars,
so it was a really nice outcome. But I've also done e commerce,
customer service, security software, consumertravel, business, travel and podcasting and

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my six companies, and now I'mrunning a little adventure studio called Boston Bench
Studio. And what Aventure Studio doesis we come up with ideas for new
companies and we build them and thenwe raise money, We hire CEOs,
and there off to the races,and we've sold one company so far.
We have five companies under development.I'm just sitting here a little because and

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you do all this, and haveyou ever had any issues with anything in
your life? Major? Like,let me see. One thing I've been
talking about recently is just my journeywith bipolar illness. I got diagnosed at
age twenty five and struggled in mytwenties and thirties. But I've been doing

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really well the last ten years.Ten last years. This is amazing,
Like we wouldn't have admitted this fifteentwenty years ago, and now you're cool
if you have some crazy thing.I don't know, Like I've been talking
about my panic attacks for twenty sincefor thirty six years, but and people
say, why do you tell peopleyou have panic attacks? Because people will
judge you, and people will Idon't give two craps who judges me?
Right, But it's funny how nowwe're letting all the stuff out, so

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and I think that's great. Yeah, And what I would say is smash
the stigma, smash the state.We want to make it safe exactly.
Back in January, I took overTedex Boston and we hosted a day of
nonprofits at UMass Boston, and wehad fifteen nonprofit leaders each tell their story,
and I told my story with anonprofit. I've started five nonprofits and

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one of them is called the BipolarSocial Club. And I cried my own
presentation a little bit. It wastough. When I was done with it,
it was the most vulnerable I'd everbeen on tape. I sort of
collapsed and had to go home andbe a recluse for a day or two
to get my energy back. Andit's out there. It's up on YouTube
now and I can't take it back. But I've heard it helps people.
Do you want to Yeah, I'veheard it. It helps people like people

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that are real. I've been realmy whole life. I don't know any
other way. So when I meetother people that are real, then I
like real people. I don't likepeople that are fake and phony and people
think, oh god, they gotso much money. No this, I
always say, the poor person thatbecomes rich if they were we use the

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word PRII we won't use, butyou know what I'm saying. If the
guy was a PRI before he hadmoney, he's going to be a PRI
after he's got money. Right,and the woman too. I don't think
money should change anybody. Money shouldbe about something that makes life easier and
help others that you can help makemaybe somebody else's life a little bit easier,
but should change who you are,right, And I don't think money

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has changed to Paul English? Isam I right now? Not a lot?
I mean my best friends, ofmy high school friends, and there's
five of us and we've been playingproger since we're twelve years old. We
still get together, and we knowthe good back and ugly. We know
where the bodies are buried exactly,and they don't give me any credit for
anything. We just give each otherand have the best time. So you
hold on to your old friends.I love them. I'm just going to

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take a guess that you can't bea cancer or virgo, are you?
I'm a virgo? Okay, Virgosdon't hold on the friends. Virgo's and
cancers to hold on to friends.Yeah, I have all my friends since
fourth grade amazing and I like thosefriends. But the new friends I made
right. So people always ask mehow many friends did you make on the
ladder of success? Right? Ilaugh? I go no, no,
no, no, no, youmean how many friends did I lose?
Right? I really want my friendsto begin with, and how many acquaintances

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did I make? Right? So, yes, I lean on my old
friends because they know you, theyknow and they know everything. Yeah,
and they're not the judge in orwe're just we're just we're back in our
little bodies as kids. But we'regrowing ups, right, And it's a
good. Virgos and cancers love theirold friends because it's a feeling of safety
and home. Great so that's agood thing, all right. Talked to
me about this dating app. Here'scalled LOLA. It stands fine for Love

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Language l LA. It's Lola dotcom. And there's two things about it
that are different than any other datingapp. And the reason we came up
with Lola was on my second datewith Rachel, which is four years ago,
she pitched me on some ideas fordating app. I'm like, it
sounds interesting. I get pitched likeevery day for yeah, my now fiance.

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We met four years ago and onour second date, she said,
I have an idea for dating app, and pitch me and we would talk
about it. She could go onthat second date, the first date to
try to pitch you. How didyou actually meet her on a dating Yeah?

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And she would pitch me every nowand because both of us were like
I would describe as prolific daters,we did it a lot. I mean
two in one night, three onthe weekends. I mean really, Yeah,
I love meeting people. I lovemeeting people. So to me,
dating was away just to meet differentpeople, you know, in different places.
Anyway, Rachel and I hit itoff, and well way, first
of all, like, see whatwill say to me? In the old

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days, like early on, ifI if I sing this text, say
you need me, it's some point, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah,
I love it. How many ofthose did you do in one night?
How do you escape? Scapevals?Is that they called the escape belves.
I've literally had friends that like gofor drinks and they'll be like the person
looks at the picture and they goout. They like walk by their date
and go out the back door ofthe bar. Yeah, that's not a

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good thing. Like you get tolook your picture. You can't clean your
picture up to a point where youdon't look neat the picture. One of
my women friends, single woman,once was on a date, a bad
date, and she excused herself togo to the bathroom. When she called
me from the bathroom and she said, call me in five minutes and tell
me there's been an accident in myfamily. And then then we don't want

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to bring bad comic to our family. Right, there's been an accent to
a friend of a friend just can'tbe out of her gate. So all
right, so go ahead, I'msorry to interrupt. So we were talking
about it every now and then,and then finally last summer, I'm not
running this venture studio, and ourjob is to create apps and create companies.
So I said, let me lookinto this dating thing. So we
did a last summer and we interviewedtwo hundred and fifty people about dating and

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we asked them what they didn't likeabout dating apps. They told us ten
or a dozen things they hated aboutdating apps. There's a lot of terrible
things about dating apps, but thetwo biggest problems was one, people said,
it's just way too much work.You're swiping and swiping, it'sart chatting
with someone you think you're connecting,then they ghost you. They just sort
of disappear. You're talking to tenpeople at once, you forget who you're

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talking to, and it just takesforever to meet someone. And then the
second problem that we heard from womenin particular is a met a guy online.
He seemed cool, they go tomeet him in person, big letdown.
Either guy was catfishing them, looksnothing like his photos he used,
like his college photos instead of whathe looks like now, or the guy
was just a jerk, you know, And we want to solve both those

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problems. Okay, So just soyou know where I'm coming from, right
when my daughter Firus got onto adating app. I'm like, only we
had people do that. She goes, no, Mom, this is the
news. It's the majority now right. So but to me at my generation,
like yeah, with all first thatlike you're on a what Oh my
god, you're such a loser,right, Like this is like can't you
meet a person that's the majority?That's the majority? Right? So but

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that was my my brain going,get off that thing, like what if
you meet something they hurt you.Listen, let's hold that offtment. We
go to break I'm Sidy stumbling andlisten to WBZ News Radio ten thirty.
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I'll ever make it through through thisworld with you. I just look
you have a Hey, welcome backto Tevis Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty. And I'm Cindy and I'mhere my daughter Samantha, my new brunette,
and I'm here with all English.Okay, now introduce themselves. Good

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now, Eric can start introduce themselves. Go ahead, Paul, finish up
what you were saying. So thoseare the two biggest problems we heard.
Way too much work takes too longto actually meet someone in real life,
and then somebody to meet someone's acreep, like you meet someone's a jerk,
and we want to fix both ofthem more jerks than not jerks in
your eyes. I have to putthis app together, I will say,

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in my humble opinion single career,yes, like sort of between serious girlfriends
and I'm using the apps. Ithink most people are pretty nice, really.
I mean I did meet a numberof people who catfished me, would
send me like their modeling photos fromtwenty years ago, exactly what they look
like when I met them at Mastersand Seaport or whatever. But most people

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are nice people. I mean,we all have our stories, but can
these dating apps like we if weall remember we had the what was that?
We watched it on Lifetime original theTwindler No Tinder Swindler, Right,
I saw that? Yeah? Likecrazy crazy? So is there any way
to vet these people before coming onApple? You really can't. So this

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is what we're doing. The firstthing is when you install Lola for the
very first time, we say Lolais for people who want to go out
on dates this week, and thenwe say what night do you want to
go out, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, there's a Friday.
We share the next five nights.There's a little button saying not ready
yet. If you click that,we say Lola for people want to go

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out on dates this week and meetin real life. If you just want
to chat, we highly recommend TinderBumble. They're great for chatting, which
is sort of a you know saying, the other apps aren't really about meeting
people, they're just about chatting endlessly. The second thing we do is,
let's say you what's your husband saying? Again, right, Ray? Let's
say you match. Let's say yousay I'll go out. Well, you're
going up great form fiance The husbandgo ahead, okay good. Let's say

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you say I'll go out on Tuesdaynight. That's your free night. We
only show you people who are readyto go out Tuesday night. So let's
say you match with Ray, youchat with them in the app, you
make plans to go out Tuesday night. On Wednesday morning, we message you
and we say, did you goout with Ray last night? Yes?
So no, how would you rateyour experience one to five? I'm gona
tell you more about this in asecond. Then we say which of these

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positive and negative actibutes would you associatewith Ray? So you're asking both parties
yes, and it takes one minuteto answer these four questions. He's an
idiot. He didn't look like whathe looked like. Let's say if you
rate him a one, we askwhoa what went wrong? And one of
the things you can click is Ifelt unsafe? Okay? If someone is

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marked is unsafe by people who arelike good people on the platform lifetime ban
So we're kicking out all the likereally bad daters, like the awful people
are going to be as we speak. What downloading this as we speak?
Oh, we're downloading this as wespeak. Okay. Now I have a
direct line to Paul if anything everhappens to my daughter. Okay, So

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anybody's listening that's on this app,Okay, we'll take good care of her.
Paul's can watch over you. You'regoing on the the ip liss absolutely
and then these people pay how mucha month to be on your app?
Right now? It's free for thisyear because we're just trying to build an
audience. We're launching in Boston.Most dating apps are around. It's just

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going to be for Boston people rightnow, right now, it's just in
Boston. We're going to launch inNew York, batam right, Boston.
Yeah, we're trying to make justget all the kinks out, make sure
it works well, people understand thatthey like it. We'll launch in New
York and the summer. We'll launchin Miami in the fall, and then
we'll raise around to financing and takeit national. And that's the game plan.

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Let's plan. And any of thesedating software whatever Twindler, what is
it called Bubble or the tender Bumble, Have any of these companies been brought
out. Yeah, there's there's quitea lot of buyout. There's one company
called the Match Group, which isthe old match dot com. Yeah,
they own I want to say,at least fifteen or twenty dating companies.

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They're buying a lot of them up, Bumble Independent Bumble is wildly successful.
And then the Match Group they ownMatch, Tinder, Plenty of Fish,
the League which I'm friends with thefounder Hinge. I'm friends of the founder.
I was an investor in Hinge,so I'm friends with one of the
tender founders. I have connections inthe industry. I have some great advisors

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who are telling me watch out forthese landmines. So the Timlos Swindler whatever
came out, did that hurt?Did that hurt that app? For a
while. I don't think it did, which is surprising. Yeah, you
would have thought that that would havehurt all the app. It did it,
But that guy we kicked off ourapp because as soon as someone figures
them out, lifetime ban. Okay, now with these apps or your app,

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because I know nothing about these apps, so I'm talking from the dumbest
part of my brain right now.Do you have a VIP section that people
have to pay more money to upgrade? Because I don't know, like they
should be a VIP section. Areyou even have a VIP section? We
don't have that yet. But onething we do have, and Samantha is
now on the list, is wehave a friends of Lola. So there's

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certain profiles that get like a goldstar and when people see that, they're
going to say, whoa, whydo you have a gold star? Okay,
And in the short term, youknow, maybe that means this is
one of our premium users, andthe shortter means you're like you're friends with
the Lola founders. There's certain peoplewere going to highlight and show their profile
more often and show them to highprofile people other high profile people. So

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that's what you're doing. So basically, like all my verification badges that I
never paid for, that I actuallyearned on my own, Yeah, now
you can buy them. Yeah,well that's fine. A lot of the
apps they also make you, likeeven if you post photos, they make
you verify your photos. They makeyou take a photo of yourself right in
that moment. We do that aswell. You do that, yeah,
because we want to make sure thatthey're not catfishing and sending photos of other
people. Catfishing meals, so catfishingmeans uh here. So basically, like

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if I was on the app andI used your photo and said I was
you, and then you're meeting methinking it's you, they change their photos.
Yeah, absolutely. And the otherthing that happens a lot, and
this creeps me out, but mengo on dating apps and they upload photos
of women and they say they're awoman. What, yeah, I know
that one. No, it's weird. What do you mean they say,

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the woman? I don't know.It's weird, but it happens. And
so what it means is if you'rea guy on one of these dating apps
and you're messaging with a woman andkind of falling for it. You might
be messaging a guy, right,what the right? That doesn't happen on
Lola because we do the photo verification. Oh okay, when you upload photos,
we then say, turn on thecamera, do a selfie of yourself.

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We analyze to make sure it's areal human. You're not holding up
to a photo. This different technologywe can make sure you hold up to
a face and we make sure thatface matches the photos you upload. Got
it, so we get rid ofcat fishing, Sammy, you know more
about this stuff than I do.Okay, what do you want to know?
I want you to ask Paul somequestions because you know why, like
base it off of love languages.I mean I always ask people with their

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love languages, but like why it'snot so the term love language was in
use way before that book came out. There's a book called Love Lingue the
Five Love Languages. Yeah, butlove language, that phrase has been around
for hundreds of years, and wejust think it's you know, what's the
chemistry between two people, Like what'simportant to what's important to me? And
it's not literally the book. Wedon't ask you, you know, I
like gifts, affirmation, whatever thefive are. It's more like we're going

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to connect you to someone. Andthe other thing about going out this week
is we're telling people take a chance. Meet someone online who looks interesting.
Go meet them. That might bethe love of your life. And maybe
they don't look maybe they don't exactlywhat you think you're looking for. Rachel
often tells people that issue was payingmore attention. She would have filtered me

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out and not met me. Wehave an age difference, and she says,
I don't know why I'm dating someoneso old, but anyway, I
clicked it's big. It's twenty yearsso she's how old about thirty five?
In sixty? No, you're not. I am get out of here in
sixty. He give me a fistbum bro Okay, that's because you have
they would say, because you havea full head of here. Okay,

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yeah, that's it his thing.I've got a full head of here.
You never look at your age,No, you don't look you know,
you actually look like you're in yourlate forties. The best? How's that
word? Sixty? And I'm notI got to say that in a few
more months. I don't know ifI can handle that word. That's like,
oh god, Okay, so youand Rachel found each other and you're
madly in love and coming from someof my generation, we met through I

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don't know, like we all gotkind of marry young and we knew everybody
and everybody knew each other, andthis is just a different world for me.
Yeah. I mean back in theday, I would meet people through
work, through friends at bars.So there's no dating apps. People don't
want to go out the way theyused to go out in the eighties and
nineties anymore. They don't want todo that. And after a certain age,

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what you're working, you're tired.It's a game of numbers. I
think choosing your mate, your lifepartner, is the most important decision you'll
make your entire life. That personwill determine in many ways. Do you
feel supported love, Do you feelsafe? Do you feel safe to innovate,
safe to try things, safe totake risks. Your partner should be

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all that for you. Now,why would you choose amongst three people?
It's a game of numbers. Youshould meet a lot of people, and
maybe it's not the third person you'llmeet. It might be the twenty third
person you'll meet, but if youmeet some more people, you might just
slash all that thought. We're goingto break come city stumbling. You listen
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of Boston, Next Day Molding andKennedy Carpet Always Welcome back to Tim's Nails
on wb News Radio ten thirty.And I'm Cindy and I'm here with Samantha

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and Paul, who is now datingnow just commits me to download a new
dating app or what's that called again, Lola? Hey, yeah, yeay,
yay, yay, you know whatwe do. No, she's gonna
make you out a feature that shecan spy on what I'm doing. And
she's gonna be like, I willpay like three times the amount for that
because she's going to do that.That's I'll play the movie because I said

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so where she created a dating appfor her daughter, her hope profile.
Oh yeah, I remember that.Yeah, I have a question for you.
Do you share your location with yourmom? No, but she does,
but all my friends have my locationand she does with my fiance.
And so you share your location withRay, but not Mom. Yeah.
Yeah, that's pretty funny. Sogood night's because we also worked here.

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You don't want you don't want momto show up on the date. Oh,
she won't. She won't even drivethe bar. I used to do
that all the time back in theday. But the point is, like
I couldn't find Sammy's fast on hertexts, like right, boom boom boom,
you sent her text like last week? So I sent her text,
Hi, Sam, I got aquestion and we're working on this is a
this is a twenty million dollar landby right, Like, she's not returning
my text right, Like I needto know that, Sam. And then

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I see her father coming into thegroup family text, Hey, has anybody
talked to Sam? Say, I'mlike, come to think of it,
I haven't spoke to Sam. Say, my son comes in. I haven't
spoke to her. Well where isshe? Sindey? I go, how
do I know where she is?Right? Like, let me find her?
So I privately text her. Shedoesn't reply. I'm like, Ray,
I know Sammy, she has alocation. Just let me know she's
safe. So he goes, I'mnot getting involved, So he must know

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that she's safe, right, Sobut I'm still I go, you know,
I forget you, right, likeif you saw that she was in
the library. I don't know whathe thought, commentsman parks somewhere near where
she lives. Right. So Ithen text her friend Danielle, and I
go, Danielle, it's sin blahblah bah. Have you spoke the same
thing? Yep? I get oneanswers back. Right, Okay, have
you spoke to the last couple ofhours. Yes, we're at Sammy.

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Do you know yes? Weah,she's on a date. Do we know
who this dude is? Yes?Is she safe? Yes? Okay,
thank you? Then I come backagain. How do you know he's safe?
I think they went to school togetherat some point in their lives,
right, And then I just backedit off, right because with twitch Yeah,

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he ma's my phone thirty two textslater. But understand why I live
in a real world. I livein. If Chad didn't answer, you,
don't look for him every five seconds. It's not me because I'm respond
like that. No, because yourbrother a strong thirty year old guy that
can handle himself better than most,and I know, like no one's gonna
grab him. No, all theguy's gonna grab him good luck, and

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he's he's his common sense, he'ssharp, hes street, he's all that.
Sammy thinks. The world is madeof wonderful people. There's no bad
there's no boogeyman. Okay, they'reall good people. Right, So different
kids, it's to same parents.But okay, we're going to go back
to the app. But yes,I worry about my children. Go ahead,
you asked Paul the hot question.How do you plan to different each

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differentiate this app with all the otherdating apps. There's a couple of things.
I mean, the most important things. The city stuff was going to
be wanted. The most important thingis we want a great community of daters.
We wanted we want to be ableto filter out the bad guys almost
to the point where you can goout bad woman too, and bad women.

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Yeah, we're going to becoming veryabusive. Have noticed that too?
Do you want them? Answer?Okay, go ahead, sorry, but
we want we want to hooks now. We want to filter the baddies and
almost where you could have dinner withanyone on Lola, male, female,
whatever and have a good time.Because it's a great community people. So
we're doing a lot to market tothat. We're doing a lot to curate

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that, and we're doing things tofilter out people that aren't good daters.
Okay, well, just because they'rea bad data doesn't mean they're a bad
person. Right well, it dependshow the If someone gets rated a one
star, we ask why they rateda one star. This is the other
thing. If you rate Let's sayyou got on Ray on that first Tuesday
night on Monday, we ask youto rate him one to five. Right,

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I get feedback the positive native feedbackincludes things like the positive things like
yeah, but what if I'm crazy. Well, we look at how people
rate you, and we look ateveryone you rate. If you give every
guy, if you give every guyone, the problem's not the guy,
it's right, it's you. Theproblems you. But when you rate Ray

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and I'm sure you would have givenhim a five, we then show what
are these positive actibuis? I datedRate in high school, married my husband
Joe, and I got divorced likeeighteen years before he did, and then
he got divorced like three years beforehe came into my life. Well not
divorced, but was separated for threeyears. So I went from Jille to

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ray Right, A way to Joeto ray Right, welcome to be in
a cancer But that's me. Ineed that. I need to know who
you are, like I don't knowyou all live in a weird alien world
book Well, because there's also asense of like if if you know them
too much and you're not interested,then you feel like you're stuck with that
person in your life and maybe youdon't want them in your life. What's

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that mean? Like if you like, when you're meeting someone in dating app
and like you don't actually know them, say it doesn't work out, no
harm, no foulow, and youdon't have to then deal with them.
But no one gets a little psychoand like likes you more, maybe chase
you a little bit hotter, andyou push them away and they don't like
that. They don't like to getI don't really go past one day if
I don't like you, Okay,what happens? You go in two,
three days and they don't like thatyou're blowing them off? Does that happen?

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Paul? I usually tell someone I'mnot interested, but a lot of
people do ghost people. But Iusually say I'm not interested, And what
if they are still interested? Andbecome like creepy people. I mean that
can happen even you meet somebody inreal life. That's true. You got
me on that one. You gotto answer. I'm glad you answered that
one is true. Give that.I mean, there could be someone that's

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talking me all the time. Ihave no idea and never met them.
The generation on your app is whatages. The marketing that we're doing initially
in Boston is so it'd be demographics. I'm sorry. The initial demographics that
we're marketing to in Boston sort ofyoung professionals, like late twenties and thirties.
However, we have everything from eighteento I don't know about eighty,

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but we have every age on there. The reason we're marketing initially to the
young professionals, it's just so thatwhen they open an app, there'll be
a lot of other people their agethat they can match with, which is
smart. Yeah. Plus they knowhow to use those apps much better than
older people do. Should be tooldmaybe, yeah, I know I'm tech
no more, but I just hearmy phone. Let's I have kids.
I didn't know that's why I hadkids that my kids had to fix all

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my apps. So you I discovereda new reason to have kids. So
you can have grandkids? Why dowe want those? My son and his
wife just had their first child.I'm so in love. I'm so happy.
Really, Oh my god. Sodo you love the grand children more
than you love your children? Notmore, but differently. I'm really enjoying
him, and I'm and I lovemy son as a father. He's such

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a great father. So watching theson that you raised that became us,
Yeah, I don't know what wasmore magical, this new little being entering
into the world. Are seeing myson become a father? Both of them
are pretty amazing. I'm sure itis. Yeah, I still want to
know. Right now, I'm happy. I just want a couple of years
not taking care of anybody. What'smy frozen eggs? She frozen ages?
Can we put that on the datingapp? I get frozen ache? No,

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But there matchmakers they ask you thatquestion. Apparently certain guys will not
date a woman of a certain ageunless they know they're ex are frozen.
I never heard of that. Yeah, wow, Wow, that's a private
question. That's a personal question.But okay, hip hop with another question,
Sammy Sons, you're the dating appqueen what kind of user experiences Lola

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aim to provide? And how doyou prioritize use, your feedback and satisfication?
Oh my god, I can't talksatisfication yet. Wow, that's a
good question. You dumb that downfor me. I don't know how dumb
it down myself. No, Iget it. I get it. You
know my career. I'm an engineer, But I can understand the question since
I'm sitting here. What did shejust ask you? She asked me about

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the use experience, like what doesapp look like? What does it feel
like to use it? And whenI think about the questions like this,
it's it's less about the dating features. It's more like is that fast?
Is it clean? Is it fun? Is it simple? Is it understandable
the first time you use it?So things like that. And I'm an
engineer by training, but most ofmy career is managing design like a Kayka

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manage a design team. And I'mobsessed with branding and with perception and with
how people feel about your product.And if you study and do think,
there's something called usability testing where youbring someone into a lab and watch them
use your product, and you putcameras and you watch you know how they

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use your products. You can learna lot about what works and what doesn't
work. And for example, atKayak, we used to have this special
monitor that had two little cameras init and it would lock on the person's
eyeballs to look at where they're lookingon the screen. We'd have someone interviewing
that use of being tested, likeme or someone on my team. In
the next room, we might havea dozen engineers who watching this user trying

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to use Kayak, And on thebig screen in the second room, you'd
see whatever page you were on aKayak. Let's say flight search. You
see that the first or was tripAdvisor, the first who was oh,
expeedier in Travelocity with the first tip, the first time Priceline. Those are
the original ones O G. Yeah, and then you came up. We
came out in O four. Becausesometimes the first one doesn't do even though

(29:45):
it's the first one. Sometimes,like if you take technology like MySpace didn't
make it, but then Facebook cameup and smarter than the first mover is
not always the best exactly. Yeah, I'm going to just tell you a
whole that I thought we're going tobreak ups to be Stumpo and you listen
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Hey, welcome back to city.Stumpo tough his nails on WBZ News
Radio ten thirty and I'm here withSammy and I'm here with Paul. We're
talking about his amazing dating service thatis now what's the name of its?
Sam Lola Lola? Okay, goahead, next question, what are your
goals and aspirations for Lola in thecoming years. Okay, this is gonna

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sound funny, but I would saya year from now, you want to
say, take another three billion.Let's say this some technology conference, maybe
south By Southwest in Austin, Texas. If my team goes to south By
and they're wearing their Lola shirts,I wanted to be crowds around them.
I want people to love my team. I want to build a magical,

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magical team. I have this thingwith each of my companies where I've said
magical teams build magical products, andmagical products build magical p and ls.
So my first goal with Lola ishave like perfection, just this incredibly high
energy team has the mojo. Theyfinish each other's sentences, they laugh at
each other's jokes. They just likelove, love working together. The second
thing I want is the best productever created in the dating industry. So

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that seems like what you want forthe legacy of Lola. It's kind of
you know, obviously I want tomake money too, right, Well,
no, we want to work forfree. No, we want if we
want to work. If we wantto work for free, we'll just go
to get exercise, Like we'll goto the gym, right if we need
any more exercise at our reach,we don't need exercise, right, It's
just but this is your high too. But I always say that when you

(31:48):
love what you do, it's reallynot work, nop, Like, it's
not I love what I do.She loves what she does. People that
wait for Monday, like way forFridays because they need that weekend. No,
I wait for Monday. It worksseven days, right, So but
there's those people that, oh,God, Friday's here. Right, So
every once in a while I'll saythat because I just need like a mental

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break for like four hours seven right, then I'm right back at it.
But I think you've loved your wholecareer what you do? So is it
really a job when you not?I'm the thing I enjoy every day?
Isn't looking at my bank account Ienjoy? Well, that's kind of fun
too. Interacting with the team.I enjoy interact with customers. It is
fun. But you know what,okay, you know else is also fun

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too. Okay, fun, youcan compare notes on the break. But
you know what else is fun isgiving away money. Absolutely. I love
to give me money. When Imade my first million when I was twenty
nine, and I made a rulethat I said, from now on for
the rest of my life, myminimum tip is twenty dollars. So when
I buy a cup of coffee,since a twenty nine I buy a cup

(32:51):
of coffee, I always give twentydollars. Yeah, what I leave everybody,
Doug, You know its every morningif there's five people working, everyone
gets ten dollars. It's everybody getsto those they could be five to everybody.
They see me coming, My coffee'salready made as I'm walking through the
door. Right, It's a greatfeeling. And then it's Christmas time whatever,
and you slip the guy dunk I'mnot stop bucking out a donkeys.

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I'm a donkey's. I gave thema hundred hundred hundred. And I couldn't
do that if I wasn't making aliving, right, And last week I
was. It's a feel good feeling. Look at we all donate. I've
been donating to Saint Jude's hospital thatthey've been praynant with her, right,
and the hospitals and and and youname it politicians and this. But when

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you can actually hear the might ofsomebody like raise the most generous man you've
ever met, Like everybody around thatpool deck every all day, he's like,
open up an a corn account,right, and here here's one hundred.
All you guys put one hundred inyour eight corner. He's just so
special like that. We'll be somewhere. The guy that cleans the ash tray,
he'll give him twenty dollars, like, but that's that. Like last

(33:58):
week, I was in Napa Valleywith a good friends. He grew up
a revere, right, he didn'tgrow up with any money, right,
so he's a hard working guy.I mean, I grew up most rocks
with My dad was a pipe feder. Okay, they are nine people,
three bedroom house, nine people threebedroom houses. Yeah, but I'll tell
you something fun happen last week.I was in Napa Valley with a friend
of mine who's wealthy, and we'retalking about tippings. We were tipping people

(34:19):
a lot last week. So we'redrinking wine, having a good time,
leaving very big tips. And Ichallenged him and I said, sometime in
the next week, let's find themost amazing wadar and tip them ten thousand
dollars. We haven't done it yet, but I'm going to do it.
You know who's done Ernie's Ernie Boxdone things like that. Ernie does always
does crazy. Yeah, right,But imagine when you do something that you're

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changing somebody's life, like you're reallymaking on the dating app. Are you
a good tipper? No? Mostpeople are cheat. Yeah, we do
have this problem. The first bottomit's for money or the first communion money
and they still have it. Okay, like either you're a generous person who
you're not. I don't think it'ssomething. It's like loyalty. Either you're
loyal or you're not. Either yourgenerously or not. Some people just have

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a personality flaw that they just can'tbe generous. They're just cheat. I
have way more fun giving way moneymoney, absolutely, and I like making
money. I like both ye metoo, Okay, making it and giving.
Ay, that's like there's something aboutlike when you pay tesch to what
somebody wants and you give them apresent and you see the reaction that they
notice that you paid attention and madetheir day. So there's two people,
Paul. I don't like gifts.I get very uncomfortable language. No,

(35:29):
same, don't buy me giving them. And I love giving. You know,
I send to my kids every Mother'sDay, Christmas everything. I need
nothing, just for you guys tobe healthy minded, live a nice life,
be good, be happy. That'sit, right, And then raygo's
crazy like call on Sammy, whatstop? Like just stop? Then you

(35:50):
buy me the gift and I'm souncomfortable opening it. But then I'll give
you twenty and I get excited watchingyou open them. But I used to
make my kids. I'd say,okay, we're going to go buy toys
for children that don't have right,or like I was always selling wrapping paper
and I always got the biggest prizeand I was always maybe gave it,
give it away, So she'd getthe biggest prize, right for selling the
most wrapping paper, girls go cookiesor whatever it was, whatever it was,

(36:14):
right, I mean while I'm sellingthem to all my guys in the
business. Right, And then shewin the prize and said, Okay,
you don't need the bicycle. You'regoing to find something. You're going to
give that bicycle. Incredible, right, And she'd be like, first was
like, well, why have togive the bike away? Because you're going
to make a difference in somebody else'slife. Because truthfully, you didn't sell
any of that wrapping paper or thecookies. I did it, and now

(36:36):
you are going to do something forsomebody else. I just did it for
you. And that's how she learns, right, And she'd give up whatever.
She always got the biggest kid.Yes, that's what you gotta teach
your children. How to be generous, how to be kind. We do
have on the feedback after you've beenon a date. One of the things
we asked for constructive feedback is youcan rate someone as not nice to waiters.

(36:59):
Oh really, that's a good Yeah, that's a good question because we
all should be incredibly nice to ourwaiters. They work hard, and it's
a job no one wants anymore,right, so you walk the job.
Yeah? So okay, all right, so let's let's give me a hypothetic.
Sammy goes on a date on yourapp. Your app's could be up

(37:19):
and running. When is it upand running? Now? It's up and
running. Now for creating an accountand creating a profile. We're gonna start
matching in the next I would saytwo to three weeks. So the algorithm
kind of matches, does this?Yes, we ask you a bunch of
preferences. We ask you are youyou know your gender, what gender you
want to date? Your age,what age range you want to date?
We ask is a question are yougood looking? No? Well that would

(37:45):
be no because they're ugly people,and they're good looking people. Sorry,
I hate to say it. Iknow on Facebook everybody thinks the kids are
so beautiful, But there's some beautifulkids. How can we have so many
ugly people walking around America? Sono, they should be a good thing.
I want a good looking guy thatlooks like, I don't know,
raise a co looking guy, butI can't use him. I want a
Brad Pitt. Well, that wouldn'tbe your generation. But I'm just saying

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you can't put in there. Ifit looks from point you, well,
you can see the photos and wewill detect on you. Excuse me,
it's his app Okay, I can'tcall you blonde. You over the so
shush you over there, brunette.We will watch which profiles you interact with.
When you see a profile, youeither click left or right, like
I want to meet this pressure,I don't want to meet them. If

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we start noticing that looks is allyou're clicking on, we'll start sending you
just good really good looking people.Oh that would be me. Yeah,
I like it looking people. Ican't lie. What if they can't have
a conversation. We can get pastthat. You don't really need to talk.
I just need to look at you. Okay, Okay, so you're
not that's fine, Okay, youcan't be as dumb as a bag of

(38:52):
hammers. There's gonna be a littlebit of something going on that brand.
I'm so lucky Rais God, he'sarticulately smart and he's handsome. Well think
I don't even know it's with me. You've better find a forty year old
thirty five twenty five, No I'mkind of like stuck here because I still
try to understand your world, yourbrain, how it works, because your

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brain is like, did you knowyou're this smart? I don't know.
I think I know a lot ofpeople smarter than me. We can always
buy brains, you know that,right, But some has to come up
with the idea for us. Yeah, and then some he has to then
put the idea. What's the senseof having the knowledge if you don't take
the action, right? Yeah,and act? One thing, one thing

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I will say about myself positively isI'm extremely action oriented. A lot of
people talk about ideas and they neverdo it, and they never do anything.
I read one hundred books on howto be successful and don't do a
thing. Yeah. I love takingrisks and just trying stuff and you might
fail. Just try again and againand again and again, and you'll figure
it out. I agree, Yeah, I always. You know, we

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debate this on Clubhouse. Do youneed knowledge direction? You need both?
That case, without knowledge, youdon't take the action. Without action,
you don't take you know, we'llactually take the more knowledge gain, the
more knowledge, the more action.But they sit there and read fifty books
on how to be successful and noone's successful or they don't get successful because
they didn't take the action. Samyou have another question because we got no

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seconds. Okay, you're out ofquestion. So we got to go out
to break. Okay. Listen toCindy Stump on Toughest Nails on WBZ News
Radio ten thirty. We'll be readyto common Quin. You're down and billone
and you don't know which way toknow you just pick up in touch and

(40:52):
welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZNews Radio ten thirty. And I'm Cindy
and I'm here with Sammy, andI'm here with Paul. Paul, take
us out. Tell me about theapp Real Fast Swedes Digest version. The
app's called Lola Sinsel Love Language lo l a dot com and we're the
new dating app launching now in Boston. We're trying to build the best community

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of daters in the city of Boston, people you really want to hang out
with and have a good time.Okay, and then you'll move out to
the States. Yes, so Bostonis going to be our beta. That's
right at beta testing. Okay,everybody, have a great, safe weekend.
We'll see you next weekend. I'mCitney Stumbo top his nails on WBZ
News Radio ten thirty