April 11, 2025 • 49 mins
In honor of the it's 30th Anniversary - We discuss Disney's 'A Goofy Movie'
Does this movie deserve more credit? Where does it rank against other 90s Disney movies? Are we dumb?
Directed by Kevin Lima and statting Bill Farmer, Jason & Marsden - When Max makes a preposterous promise to a girl he has a crush on, his chances to fulfilling it seem hopeless when he is dragged onto a cross-country trip with his embarrassing father, Goofy.
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Does this movie deserve more credit? Where does it rank against other 90s Disney movies? Are we dumb?
Directed by Kevin Lima and statting Bill Farmer, Jason & Marsden - When Max makes a preposterous promise to a girl he has a crush on, his chances to fulfilling it seem hopeless when he is dragged onto a cross-country trip with his embarrassing father, Goofy.
Join the conversation on social media - @MACandGUpodcast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I like these sunglasses. Bought it from a gas station.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I don't, but I do like that which your baby
them some bitches.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Nineteen ninety nine. But it was so the reason why
I bought Steve. Let me explain myself, okay, is I
would look at these sunglasses every time I was at
the gas station by my house. Sure, and I'm like,
do I buy them today? And every day I'd say no,
twenty dollars is too much. I then went to get
coffee on the first day of my vacation, and you
(00:28):
know how when you're on vacation, you say fuck it.
I was like, I walk these from my vail. All
the rules are out the window. I'm getting these rippers.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now when you walk back into your domain. What did
your wife say?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
She didn't care for them, nor did she care that
I bought two pairs because one of them went to
my son.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, you know what, in that respect, I like them.
Any time you can match RAFFI, I think that's a
plus one. Good three, Yeah, job three. King of Queen.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Marl Street.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And Time and I'm Mac.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And we are the Mac and Goo program. We bring
you friendship, and.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Today we're bringing you a father son relationship, what's some
friends involved. This is a real touching movie, more touching
than I think most folks give a credit for, at
least at the time back in nineteen ninety five when
this was reviewed, and the year since, the thirty years
since spoiler alert this came out April seventh, ninety five.
Thirty year anniversary just hit the other day. Hence why
(01:44):
we're reviewing this movie. I think in the years since,
people have learned and grown to really appreciate this movie.
The movie we're talking about, of course today is a
goofy movie.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And even today looking at because I was trying to
send you something, I was gonna get something for your sack,
but I guess we'll just put it right here. I
was trying to rank this against the other Disney Renaissance movies,
and in all of the websites that I checked, they
don't count this as a Disney Renaissance movie.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I don't think I ever did either, and I
don't think you did either. It did come out in
the middle, it came out in the middle of it,
but I don't think it was ever really considered part
of it. And I think while they were making it,
they knew that too, based on the effort they put forth.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, no, but if you're counting the Rescuers down Under,
which wasn't great, this is right in there too.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it strikes me, And we'll get into this in
a few minutes, and we're talking about the cast. It
strikes me that they thought that this movie was gonna
stink and no one was gonna see it. And it
didn't get reviewed as well as they had hoped obviously,
or maybe what they predicted, but it did double up
its money at the box office. So that'll be a
conversation we'll have in a few minutes. It's it is
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interesting that I feel like the studio didn't put enough
behind this, because this movie truly is very good. Well.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So, one of the things that we learned in the
documentary that came out just this past week is that
what they were trying to do at Disney was see
if they could create Lightning in a bottle with less
of a budget than what they had with their other
mega hits.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I feel like they actually did it. It just
didn't register at the box office, right and obviously you
know you read reviews from them too. It didn't really
register there. But this movie has aged tremendously.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
The amount of critics that pretty much said, hashtag not
my Goofy. I grow up guys.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, like we really needed the fucking specific type of Goofy.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
This is not the Goofy that I grew up with.
I didn't see him slip on one banana peel.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They wanted Goofy to be Chevy Chase in SNL Goo
once again, a Goofy movie debuted April seventh, nineteen ninety five.
At the box office. It made thirty five point three
million dollars. No international release for this as well, very
rare for a Disney movie that also hurt it. This
had an eighteen million dollar budget, so again doubled up,
it made money, certainly didn't lose it kud. This made
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six point one million dollars on its opening weekend, second,
finishing second to Bad Boys. Also the opening weekend for
Bad Boys, which made fifteen point five and it just
edged out Tommy Boy, which finished third and its second
weekend of release. So that really brings you back to
a time and place, and this is the ninety five
Goo and I are both six years old, and this
(04:27):
is really around six is where I feel like you
really start remembering media and liking certain types of media
and really falling in love with certain things. And I
remember seeing this movie as a kid. But for some reason,
I this didn't become a favorite of mine in the
way maybe it did for you, because you've been talking
about this movie for like as long as I've known you,
and I I never it never quite ticked up as
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high for me as it has for you.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, And during this rewatch, there are definitely things that
still stand out as being great, but there are parts
And this is what an eighty two it movie.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's a great question, I believe it is.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
But when you see it, you're like, we could have shaved.
We we could have we could have gotten to the
point either quicker, or we could have given more examples
of other things.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
There's a good amount of time before the road trip.
It takes a little bit to get into the road trip.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
All of the music, by the way, this is spoiler filed.
All of the music done by Goofy and Max outside
of their final song of nobody Else but You Throw
It in the Bin.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Eighty eight minutes, by the way, minutes. Yeah, I hadn't
seen this movie in god knows how I couldn't tell
you the last time. I've completely forgot how much music
is actually a lot in this movie. It's original music too,
And you're right, and maybe that's why it doesn't register
with the renaissance too, is it's pretty forgettable. It sort
of fits with the movie, and it is pretty creative,
but it's not you know, radio level, it's not popular level.
(05:54):
And and maybe that's why when they maybe test tested
this movie, they sort of shoot it in, didn't really
want to push it the way they did with those
others nineties movies.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And I guess you can really only do so much
with the singing voice of Goofy. But yeah, it really
it's like, Okay, this song should have been thirty seconds long.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Ago. This is G rated. We don't do too many
G rated ever, so that's good. That's good for everyone.
It's rated G for Goofy, huh or for good.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
They definitely did something there with that, right they had to.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm sure. I'm sure I don't remember. We were six.
Like I said, runtime of eighty eight minutes. This is
an animated adventure and comedy. I also think there's some
decent drama. It's a good family movie. It's a musical.
There's some romance in here sub genres via the great
IMDb Animal Adventure, which I don't think it qualifies. It's not.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And they even talk about this on the documentary of
like we went out of our way to not make
an animal a talking animal movie. Well, yes, these are
talking animals, but it's not really.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Pal they're humanoids. Basically, we look at them as human characters.
Buddy comedy, which it is, and it is.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's a road trip road Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Pop musical, road trip, slapstick, a little bit of that
with goofy teen adventure, teen comedy, and teen romance. And
I also think maybe that's why this kind of missed
the mark originally. It just gauged more for like a
twelve to fourteen audience.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Not timeless. It's not timeless. That's what a lot of
the critics had an issue with of Well, we just
saw The Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, the
Little Mermaid. Those are all timeless classics. This is a
I feel like, if you weren't a certain age when
this came out, it's kind of not over your head,
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but it's under you.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's not relative. It's nothing, it's nothing you can relate to.
And like, if you're too young, you're just not connecting
to Max like falling in love with rock Sand, like
if you haven't maybe got to middle aged or middle
school yet where you're like have that real big first
cry that the whole thing like it just is gonna
fall apart. You know, you're not going to house parties
in fifth grade. You might be in seventh or eighth grade,
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you know, And that even though it's a only a
two or three year gap, that's a huge two or
three year gap. And I think that that is a
fair criticism and we see that in the in the
results here right on Rotten Tomatoes, sixty four percent from
the critics, seventy one percent from the audience, of fifty
three on Metacritics. So basically, mets a met And when
you're rewatching this movie now, you're actually like, Wow, this
(08:29):
is a really good family movie, a really good father
son's story, pretty relatable in that aspect. However, marketed towards kids,
it's not gonna hit like maybe they intend right.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So one of the parts of this movie on the
rewatch where I'm like, maybe we could have done something
different like, maybe we didn't need sasquatch, we didn't need Bigfoot.
You could have just had a bear or something. But
one of my lasting memories from watching it as a
child was Bigfoot in it. So you kind of have
to weigh that it is a children's movie.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, it's it's that. I guess they did middle it
now the more that we're talking about it, and I'm
more understanding as to why it kind of failed. But
as we talked about a news dump earlier this week,
this has become a bit of a cult classic, especially
with the black community, And I find that fascinating that,
(09:24):
like the black community has really taken to this movie
of all the Disney movies, and they talk about do
they talk about that in the documentary as well?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
A little bit not a time though.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, it's I just find it interesting that this character
in this story has has become that popular. Uh. This
is written by Jim mcgoon. He was the creator of Ducktails,
a writer on Super Superhuman Samurai, CyberSquad, the Matthew Lawrence Vehicle.
Chris Matheson, a writer on the Bill and Ted movies.
Brian Pimental, a writer on Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin
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and Brother Bear. So they had the creatives here, like
they had the right writer in the room, So it's
interesting it didn't quite pan out.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Jim Megan, Is that Jim Magan? How we pronouncing? The director?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Director is Kevin Lima, who directed Tarzan three years later.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, he did Tarzan three years later, so he was
able to do one of these these big Disney pictures
that I think was just outside of our window of
Disney movies, but visually and direction is actually quite good.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, and don't forget Kevin Lima also directed one hundred
and two Dalmatians and Enchanted A chanton was ahead of
its time. It's not great, but it was ahead of
its time. Goose synopsis of a Goofy movie when Max
makes a preposterous promise. By the way, preposterous is one
of my favorite words in the English language. I love
saying it makes a preposterous promise to a girly as
a crush on his chances of fulfilling it seems hopeless
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when he is dragged onto a cross country trip with
his embarrassing father Goofy. This movie stars Bill Farmer as Goofy.
Bill Farmer became the official voice actor of Goofy in
nineteen eighty seven, so that lays into goose hashtag not
my Goofy. He also voiced Pluto and Horse Horse Caller
and other Disney cartoons, Stinky in the Casper films and
(11:11):
Sylvester Foghorn, Leghorn and Yosementy Sam and Space Jam. It's
a pretty notable voice.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So one of the things that is told to us
in the documentary is that Jeffrey Katzenberg, who was the by.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
The way, that documentary for the people, Where's.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That Disney plus olus Disney plus So I forget what
his official title was. He was in charge of the
animated movies at Disney during the Renaissance, so he had
a bit of a golden touch. But while watching some
of the animation and the voiceover lineup, he had the
idea that what they should do for Goofy is not
have him sound like Goofy, Like what if we got
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Steve Martin And they're like, oh, Steve Martin to do
a Goofy impression, and they're like, no, no, just have Steve Martin.
And then they had to They went and they talked
to Bill Farmer and they're like, hey, could you just
do this in your regular voice, just so we can
show Katzenberg, And he did it in his regular voice,
and they showed him like, Hey, if you want a
Goofy movie, he has to sound like Goofy.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah. I guess that's true. But to be fair, I
don't think anyone really gives a fuck about Goofy, you
know what I mean? Like, Goofy is no one's favorite character.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I was a Donald Duck boy growing up.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
How about you. Goofy's like always a B level, you know,
secondary favorite. So I know there was there's it's like
pretend outrage, right, no one really cares. It's just something
to make a point about. So I guess I would
have been fine if they changed it. But part of
the Goofy magic is he's Goofy, right, He's an embarrassing character.
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He's slapstick, And that's why this story works because Max
is embarrassed of his father.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, he's so over the top, but it still allows
you to be in Max's shoes. And I don't want
to get too deep into your personal life or my
personal life, but I do feel like for every child,
whether you are a son or a daughter, there is
a fear of becoming your parent.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah. I think everyone who has a parent or everyone
that like, how do I want to phrase this so
that it makes most sense?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, No, try and make the least amount of sense
as possible as you say this.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Everyone that is raised by a parent and like grows
close with a parent is afraid they're going to become
their parents. But then later on, like in this movie,
you learn that it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Not only later on, it's goofy throughout the entire movie,
telling Max about how much he admires his father that
he is now at an age where he can look
back on it being like, Wow, I really loved my dad.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah. And I think we've all gone through that process
at some point or maybe still going through that process
where when you were younger, you did not understand why
your parents did certain things or their motivations, And later
on in life you learn about more about your parents
because you become more friends than you know father son
or father daughter, mother son, mother daughter, and you really
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start to and understand why they did certain.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And really, this movie does hit me. And I don't
want to get too far into the weeds of my life,
but I would say for what a handful of years,
I was a complete dickhead to my dad like I was.
I wouldn't say that I was a bad son, maybe,
but like you.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Were you, I would say you were difficult.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I pushed the limits with my father for a very
for a good amount of time. But even through that time,
whenever I would come to him with something that you know,
I needed advice on, or I needed anything for, he
was always there to help me, no matter if the
day prior I was, you know, crawling on his face
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and smushing him around whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And you, famously, what was your method of apology to
your father for being such a time?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I have a tattoo of his face on my leg.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Goo got this? What what were you?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Nineteen twenty on my nineteenth birthday, I got a tattoo
of my dad's face, and everyone from that point on
just assumed that he was dead. He is still live
and yes.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, And and that's the match. Like when you
get someone's face, a parent's face tattooed on you, one
would assume that they're they're parish. But good did that
as an apology.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I did it as an apology to my dad. And
then I went on for three to four more years
of just being a shithead. But also, like like you
just said, you keep on learning more and more things
about your parents as you get older. My dad just
tells me stories now that I don't think are real,
and then my mother will sit in the corner and
just shake her head and go, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That actually happened.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Like and I don't know anything about my father.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, but as you when you get older and unfortunately go,
I know everything about my father. So it is a
different relationship we have with our fathers, for better or worse.
I think now it's you know, water finds its level,
But this is something you know. I just lost a
grandmother a couple of weeks ago, and I'm glad over
the last like four or five years because she was
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real old school tight Kit didn't tell us like stories
about her hey day. In the last four or five years,
she started opening up about that stuff, and she had
some really cool stories. And I wish there were stories
she told me ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, but that's
not how she operated. And and I think this movie
really reminds you that of those things you know, So
spend a little more time with your parents, your grandparents
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because it's finite, you know, it goes away and this,
And that's why this movie is so good, because it
really there is a good family story here. Like it
it got misconstrued, I think thirty years ago, and I
think that's why it's become a cult classic.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I also would have liked if they took a little
more time and how far are we into the cast list?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But whatever, why would we've just done Goofy?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I would have liked if they took a little more time.
I think we got three scenes of Goofy and Pete
and the split in how they raised their children where
one rules with an iron fist you need to have
them under your thumb, the other and it's really pushed
in that hot tub scene of like hey, of Goofy
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being like, that's not true. My son loves me, and
then Pete says, my son respects me.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, and we know we all had friends that grew
up with that type of father where you know, if
it works, it works. But they're like, there's different parent
extyles and different children need to be parted differently. But
like it does a good job of like conveying that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and maybe they touch on it more in a
very goofy sequel when the boys and Goofy go to college.
But like, I feel like there's another story with peage
here where he has his either rebellion years or he
grows up and maybe his relationship with his father isn't
great after he hits a certain age.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's interesting to think about that. Yeah,
let's run through the rest of this castlest real quick.
James Marsin as Max Goof. You might know James Marsin
as JT's best friend on Step by Step Named Rich.
He's Nelson in Full House for a handful of episodes.
He's also the voice famously of Thackeray Bink's Goof from
Hocus Post.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Also plays James Marsden on Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Goode Jim Cummings as Pete. You would know him as
Winny the Pooh Tigger and a million other things. Very
famous voice actor Kelly Martin as Roxanne. Rob Paulson one
of goose favorites as PJ Pete, while A Shawn another
one of Goo's favorites as principal.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's what it's all about. It's a mount rushmore of
Gooz favorites between Jim Cummings, Rob Paulson, Wallace Shawn, and
Pauli Shore.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I was gonna say, well, he's uncredited. You just ruined it.
I'll just say fourth one on there, Gena von Oy
as Stacy. You might remember her his Blossom's friend with
the hats, right. I liked her with the hats friend.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Also, though, you're about to get to Frank Welker, who
is one of the all time great voiceover actors, as
just making noises.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, Frank Welker as Bigfoot, Kevin Lima the Director as Lester,
joe Anne Worley as Miss Maples, Julie Brown as Lisa,
Joey Lawrence, one of the Lawrence brothers in here is Chad,
and of course couple uncredited roles here. Polly Shore is
Bobby Zamerski and Tevin Campbell is power Line. Now. I
was curious as to why Shore is uncredited because his
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voice is so distinct and he's not doing a voice.
He's just curious.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I have it right here, Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I looked it up. They don't even need to think
on it. Polly Short requested that his role be uncredited
because he didn't want Disney to capitalize on his name,
similar to Robin Williams's request from that now Polly Shore
was very popular in the nineties. But I also think
that he might have had an inkling that this movie
wasn't gonna be good and he didn't want to be
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as attached to it via credits as he no doubt
was gonna end up being because everyone knew it was him.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I would assume that if this was a PG thirteen movie,
instead of giving him cheese whiz, they'd be giving him drugs. Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And you can tell shit there leaning down jeez that
that so I will I'll say it as a chiconic
line as a kid, he's the character that you quoted
the most.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, for sure. And you could tell that they just
got him in the recording studio for probably a day
or two and had him just riff and they use
whatever they could use.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then really the unsung hero of this movie. I
think the thing that most people remember from this movie
is Tevin campbell power line.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, like a goofy movie is a very good movie.
We just spent a good fifteen minutes talking about why.
But what we remember from it is the pop star
power line Like that's why it became iconic, or that's
part of the reason why it became a cult classic,
because that character is iconic.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And what's maybe more iconic than anything on here is
the final performance when we get the perfect cast. I
was at a wedding once where the bride and groom
did it, and I said, they're gonna last forever.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah, that's awesome. Shout out those people.
That takes some real some planning and some effort.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
There, which also is sorry. In the documentary they showed
how so they needed actual human beings to perform the
dance ahead of time so they can get the models
for the animation and seeing the three people and they
would have them like the certain height and how like
each of them had to dance a very specific way,
like Goofy had to be a bit looser and a
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bit more comical. But seeing the three people dance for
it fucking iconic.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah that's pretty cool. Yeah, let's get to the gautlet.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Here fun factor. I do think that this does lack
a bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, I'd agree with you. It could be more fun.
I think that's definitely fair. It could be more fun.
It's fun. But compared to other Disney movies that are
I guess more cartoonists, like Cuz you know, Aladdin, Beauty
and the Beasts, it's real dramatic stories. This isn't as dramatic.
The ones that are more cartoonish like this are generally
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more fun.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But this does have enough fun satisfactor. This is a
first off, I think, one of the greatest callbacks in
movie history of giving you the setup in the middle
of the movie with the perfect cast and then bringing
it back at the end with the goofs doing it
on stage with power line. That is up there with
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Leo pulling out a flamethrower in Once upon a Time
in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean, I wouldn't quite put it on that level,
but it is a pretty satisfying ending, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Borometer. It does take you a little bit of time
to get into the story. It does give you some
of the background of what Max is dealing with. It
gives you some of the background, a little bit of
Goofy at his job, and Goofy's job being that he
works with children, and how good he is at working
with children, younger children. But then you get to he's
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not good at Max's age, Max's teenage age.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Right, And I actually I forgot about that aspect because
I hadn't watched the movie so long, and it's kind
of sad. You know, Goofy's a very sympathetic character in
this movie because he is so good with kids in general,
but he's not good with his kid. You know. It's
a very easy thing to like get behind there.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And the one thing that I like they don't get
really deep into this is how Goofy says that he's
kind of missed those years with Max in between, but
like he seems like he's very attentive and he is
he tries to be in Max's life, so maybe he
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just he's kind of like had a blind eye to it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, it hasn't figured out a way to get through
or thought he was and now is just realizing he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, okay, we just worked our way through that. Thank
you with that. Yeah, Halloween, this has aged like a
fine wine.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I agree. I think over the years and as you
get older, this movie gets better and more relatable. And
it is relatable in that certain age of age like
twelve to fifteen and maybe even older, but as we
become adults, this movie gets even more relatable.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think about this constantly, and maybe this just has
to do with my horrible personality of often when I'm
playing with my son and we're really we're getting into
the story of the adventure of our playtime. Yeah, I'll
sit back for a second and think he's gonna hate.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Me someday, at least for a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Like, he's gonna he's not gonna like me, So really,
let's enjoy this time because he is not gonna like me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It depends, right, because usually not all but typically a
lot of paradynamics is there's a good cop bad cop, right,
are you good cop? Or are you bad cop?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I'm the bad cop, but I'm the least threatening bad
cop ever. Like there have been times when people have
said to RAFFI, my son, wait till your father gets home,
or wait till we tell your father, and I can
hear them in like the other room, being like, what's
his father gonna do?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Fuck? At some point he's gonna read the room and
be like, well, no one else is afraid of him,
Why should I be afraid of him? Anything?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Be afraid of your mom. I'm petrified our quarter World.
Is this better than nineteen ninety five's oh the same year.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Is water World ninety five as well? I believe?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So wow, is it better than water World? Yeah, it's
better than water World?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It is. It is better than we But.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
They each have their own separate charm.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Totally agree, Pants.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Ten City Excite bike Mania. What gets you going from
this movie? It's the power Line concert. It's the conclusion
of the movie. It's them finally seeing I number two.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I July ninety five for water World, so three months later, Yeah,
it's uh, Pants Sense Cities and it's it's like you said,
the callback they open, what Max doing the power Line?
And then it ends with that, like it's a great
culmination of the story and the moment that they set
out to do from the.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Beginning plemonade with those those Lemons and plemens, what are
you doing with your time there? Are you making it good?
Like Jesse Plemmons? Are you making it nice? Like in
White Life with Sam Rockwell, you tell me who is it?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Mac the MoMA makes a nice and neat meet the ball.
To me, it's like clearly poly Shore even though he's
only on screen for like maybe three minutes total. Everything
he says, is funny. And like you said, the most
qrtable line of the movie is.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
From Poli Shore, Tevin Campbell Power Devin Camble's Great Devin Kimble.
Two songs that they created are both of the time
and age extremely Well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think that's also
a very very good point.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Who for those of you tarty to the Mac and
Goop party, we rate everything on a forty hot dog
rating system. Mac really the father son dynamic of this movie,
both as a son and as a father. You see,
while both of them have their faults, and both of
them have issues, at certain points of they do things
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that they shouldn't do, Like Goofy should have talked to
Max after Max went to the principal's office and not
just assume that he's gone go into jail. Max should
have had a conversation with his father about, Hey, why
don't we just go to Los Angeles? And Goofy probably
would have said yes, as long as we're spending time together.
But they both do things that the other one doesn't
approve of. And while yes, conversation and communication is an
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issue for both of them in this movie and the
and the high Dad soup scene is a very good
example of like how they have a tough time talking
to each other right now. But I love the father
son stuff in this, and like I said earlier, I
love how you have the two examples in really even
three examples of you have Goofy Pete, and then you
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even have like rock Sands Dad, where you know so
many dads of you know, girl dads who just try
and be as big and threatening as possible. But then
when the girl's like hey dad, He's like, I really
do enjoy this movie. I can see where some of
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the corners are cut. Could they have tightened it up
a little bit, maybe, but I would have wanted examp.
I would have wanted more of what we already got elsewhere.
I don't love a lot of the music in this,
but just as a story and just the just the
overall thought and I think the passion that goes into
the writing and the emotions of this movie. It's tough
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because I wouldn't want to put it up there with
like the absolute Disney classics, but it's like that next
level down and it's really unique against the other ones
because there's no other Disney movie like it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You're right, you're about that thirty four. Okay, here go,
We've just got a good synergy these days. First of all,
I want to start my quick hotography here by handing
out credit to Jason Marsen. Goho rudely skipped over Max
credit union. Jason Marsden is the machine that makes this
whole thing go. Him is Max Goof is awesome. There's
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some thing about his voice even now that sounds very teenagery,
which is why he works really well here. He worked
really well on all those teenage type shows. It just
works really well. He does a great job showing a
range of emotions as Max gowb G. I'm kind of
in step with you here. I thought you were gonna
come in higher than that. I think this movie has
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rightfully become a cult classic over the years, rightfully starting
to get its justice. It's flowers these days. They just
released this thirtieth anniversary documentary which might be introducing new
people to this movie. This is a really good story,
and maybe it doesn't have the high highs of a
lot of the Disney Renaissance greats. It definitely doesn't have
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the great music of those movies, but it has a
great story. At its core, and I was thinking thirty
four to thirty five hot Dogs. It's a really good movie,
and it's hard to not like at our age, at
our age where we've seen both ends of it, you know,
being the twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old had the crush
and now being an adult you're in fatherhood. You know,
(30:04):
maybe I'll get there one day. But even at the
level of starting to understand your parents, it's a super
relatable movie. It's a really easy watch, eighty eight minutes
in and out, and like you said, you can cut
some out there, but I find this an incredibly likable movie.
It's hard to watch this and not like it. And
to me that that says a lot about this movie.
Doesn't make it the greatest movie ever. But you're talking
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lowest common denominator, it's up there pretty high. So I
think thirty four to thirty five is a good score
for it.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Like there's clear points where you can see that there's
a room for improvement, but the overall heart of the
movie is there.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And like when you look back now, you know with hindsight,
they're all those other Renaissance movies. They're going full bass
to the wall. One hundred percent, and if they had
applied that effort and money to this movie, this could
have approached forty dogs. Maybe you know, it was lacking
the backing more than anything.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
All right, Mac, let's go on to I mean these
are really quick I don't even call them spoilers. They've
been spoiling the entire movie, but just a kuple quick roes.
A couple quick notes that I have here is also
what I love about this movie is this might be
and I have done no research into this, but really
dealing with the relationship of parents and children, where most
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of the Disney movies is children dealing with the death
of their parents.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, well, I mean we still are dealing with an
aspect of that here, right, you know, there's no mother here,
it's just Goofy and Max, So there's a little bit
of an aspect of that here.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But it's still parenting.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
All right, So fear of becoming your own parent is
a big thing here that goes on throughout the movie.
Max has day dreams, he has dreams about it. That
opening scene with the dream I think is very effective
in telling that it is.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They do a really good job in the first fifteen
minutes even ten minutes of this movie of setting the
scene and getting you sort of to buy in the Max.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
The big screen at their school assembly is fucking nuts.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I don't know that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I also think it's quite a hazard to be spraying
the fire extinguisher the way Bobby za Minsky was.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Well, get your fire shit out of here. We don't
need your safety. But what I'm saying, though, is like
it's like a fifty by fifty foot fucking screen, like
a big square where they're able to just show like
a movie there.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, and this is not two thousand and five where
Blu ray DVD that sort of thing was on the rise.
This is nineteen ninety five where they're still wearing wheeling
carts into the classroom. You know, Like, I don't know
if they have that projection technology at a regular old
high school back in ninety five.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Can we get new textbooks? No, we just got that
new screen in the auditorium. You can see where that.
So one of the times where I was like, oh,
this is definitely them cutting a corner is Max and
PJ are having a conversation in the foreground and in
the background. You have three characters that just don't move
off on their own in the background, not moving.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't notice that, but I'm so happy
that you did.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So the conversation that goes on between Max and rock
Sand when Max tells her that he actually cannot go
on the date. His dad is making him do something,
which is a normal thing at that age, and he
tells her immediately. It's still it's like an hour after.
It's not like he just ghosted her and didn't tell her,
but he's telling her this, and her immediate reaction is
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I'll find someone else.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, that was. But also, you know, it's hard to
think back twenty years ago when we were fifteen. Roughly
you would make up dumb excuses for shit because you
would feel hurt, you would feel not wanted. I remember specifically,
not the same thing that I hope she's a listener
of the program. There's this girl way back when her
uh Rock Sand. She was from Waltham Oka. She invited
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me to a makeout party when I was like fifteen,
fourteen or fifteen, maybe even thirteen somewhere thirteen forty fifteen,
and I was like super scared. I never been to
a makeup party in my life. I like, I don't
what the fuck to do there? Like, of course make out,
but like how many people are gonna be there? So
I ended up coming with something bullshit excuse as to
why I could not go to the makeout party. I
was terrified.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Are makeo parties orgies for teens?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I don't know, I didn't go. Maybe I should have gone.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't ever been to a makeup party either.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh you know, I was when I was like thirteen
or fourteen, because the next time I saw her, we
didn't talk about after that. I saw her at Cam's
driving school. Oh nice, next time I ran into her
when I was sixteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now granted, Max response to this was not a good
one where he decided to lie.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, that's sort of what I'm talking about. They're both
they're full feeling hurt back and forth, so they're just
grasping for straws, trying to come up with something to
make themselves feel better.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The Possum Park is a nice uh you know, chucky
cheese like, well, you know my son or I used
to go to this as a kid. My son will
love it. Slash, I used to bring my son to
this when he was a kid a lot, so you know,
you kind of see that and that makes sense of
Goofy still thinking that he's just a boy.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, Possum Park is like that Chuck e Cheese like
story Land for around here, like that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I am Also what I would love for this movie
to give us as a thirty year anniversary is like,
what is Pete's credit score? What is like how much
is he borrowing to have what he has? What does
he actually own in life? Because he works in a
department store and I'm not poo pooing that, but he
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has this amazing RV We've seen in the goof Troops
show that he has these like you know, like home
theaters and like top of the line shit, Like what
does he owe per month on things that he cannot afford?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's a great question he might be on the version
of filing bankruptcy. Also, did that show come out after
the second movie or between the two movies?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I think before or I think it was like around
the same time. We could give out a googs while
I'm talking. So once again, the addition of Bigfoot kind
of it makes it more of an animated movie when
it was almost getting away from being an animated movie.
But like I said, as a six year old scene
this as a seven year old seeing this Bigfoot in
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the movie is something that made me laugh and it
sticks out.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Ah. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right about Bigfoot. Goof Troop
ninety ninety three, Yes, two years before ended two years
before this, so.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I think it had like three seasons as well. Okay,
but in that time, I do want to give Goofy
credit that he just accepts any time that Max is
like go this way, go this way, go this way,
even though he's made this trip before, and he's clearly
studied that map.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, he sort of teaching him a lesson, right, yeah,
and die by it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Also, Max didn't need to do any of that pencil writing,
any of that erasing. Granted he did it before his
dad gave him the map because of how much he
trusts him. But I would even say that once Goofy
puts the trust back into Max, Max should have then
went and erased what he did and put it back
to Idaho and then just lied about going to California.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I mean, this road trip seeing this map stuff hijinks
is the most relatable part of the movie for me,
because I've probably told this story before. I think I
was seventeen or eighteen. My dad decided to take me
and my siblings to New York City to Old Yankee
Stadium before closed, so we could go there, you know,
get some merch to the stadium. And about a week
before that trip, he got in a fight with his
(37:26):
GPS his garment and hucked it out the window, so
we had no GPS on the way down in New
York City, you know, when you get close to the city,
the bridges are very confusing. There's park ways everywhere. If
you're not from there, you don't know how to navigate.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
All the roads are super fucking tight, so you really
got to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So this motherfucker hands me a map book from like
nineteen eighty five and expects me to be his navigator
while he's driving. And meanwhile, it's pouring rain. I can't
see shit. I can't read a map, so he's expected
me to see street signs tell him where to go. Now,
actually I fucked them up. He's mad at me. I'm
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mad at him for putting me in this situation in
the first place. We had the fucking garment that you're
You're the reason why we're in this predicament in the
first place. So there was a lot of silent time
for the next two or three hours based off you.
In fact, what we got I think we got. We
were staying in Times Square. I think we got there
like ten or eleven at night, and I immediately just
went for a walk. I walked through Times Square for
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a couple hours, like I gotta get away from We're
both we're both gonna lose our minds here. So yeah,
that's that was a very relatable scene.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I mean, it does remind me a lot of when
you would have a hockey game, say on a Saturday
or Sunday. It's a new rink and your parent would
print out the directions from map Quest, and sometimes when
they really were not sure of where the rink was,
you would do a practice run.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I also, uh, I'd like to thank you hockey for
bringing us around the state over the years, because once
I got my license, I knew how to get to
a lot of places because of youth hockey and those
seven am games going all the way across the fucking
state north south east west.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Once again, credit to and this is where my credit
union is. It is the hot tub scene with Pete
and Goofy of you know, Goofy saying my son loves
me and Pete saying my son respects me, and that
is that's what they both want. They both specifically want
that from their sons. Yet Goofy and I'm not gonna
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say he's a pushover. Goofy is just open to listening
to other people's ideas, which is good, whereas Pete is
my way or the highway.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, Goofy's a great father. Goofy's a great father. And
it also like toleration and like understanding differences and not judging,
like that's the whole part of this too. There's really
some like deep seated themes here.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And then you do get into once again another pretty
cartoonist scene of the car going over the bridge after
the are we going right or left? And I'll tell
you right now, and this is maybe my fault. I
didn't know where Idaho was.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Idaho's in that upper central Midwest area where there's like
five persons per square mile.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
So credit to this movie. It taught me where Idaho is,
just like how the Animaniacs taught me all of the
state capitals, the presidents, and the countries in the world.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, we all know, and I'll try to do this
backwards here so it'll be better visually. We all know
right Oregon, Washington, West Coast. We all know Chicago right
dead center. But the between there or that's Wyoming, Idaho,
the Dakota's Montana, They're all up there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I feel like you were good at the geography, B
were you?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I was? I made it on if you recall in
sixth grade, I made it the top eight. They made
it on stage and they could finished sixth I was
great at maps in geography.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And Mac lost because he didn't know where Idaho.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know. You know it helps me tremendously in bar trivia.
See the only time geography has ever helped me in
my in my old age.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Mac turns around like doctor Evil when they can you
tell us where the state is?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
You know? But I absolutely crushed. Like a month ago,
I was doing bar trivia, they asked for the tallest
point in Massachusetts. I bet you don't.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, the state bird is the Chickapea. So oh, I'm sorry, ahead,
it is Mount Greylock by Okay, So after the the
cartoonist scene of the car going into the river to
the to the waterfall. Before the waterfall, you have the
conversation of Max saying, I'm not a little boy anymore.
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I've I'm I'm grown up and I've got my own life,
and then Goofy with the response Goofy with the response
of I know that, I just want to be a
part of it, which that is that's the real heart
wrenching part of the movie. That then leads into maybe
the only I would say, the only good song sung
between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, it's a it's a great line. And like, as
you get older, as a sun, that's you, you don't well,
you should know that, and like your parents definitely make
that clear. But when you're young and you're kind of
fucked up in the head, you're like, you're not sure
of that, you know, you're you're tremendously like second guessing everything.
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But once you realize that fully that like your parents
just want to be a part of your life, that
changes everything. And unfortunately for a lot of people it
takes longer, you know, than others to understand that or
for that to be true.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Like I said earlier, the Excite bike Mania scene truly
is at the power Line concert using the perfect cast.
They do use the perfect cast just before that to
save Goofy, and I actually do like this, And someone
pointed it out in the Goofy documentary that the only
time where it's not like a cartoonish Goofy yell or
gulp or anything like that is when he's going down
the waterfall and he's actually yelling like a human being.
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You're like, oh, he's in real.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Danger, right, breaking character.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It isn't like a ugh, so perfect cast to save him.
He learned from his dad, which is nice. But then
so that there's my big critique here. Mac is the
entire movie. Goofy's biggest fear is Max ending up in jail.
What does he do at the end of the movie.
(43:12):
He helps his son trespass and get on the stage
with a celebrity so he can impress a girl. That's
something that I think might put you in jail.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, I'm a part of this journey as big of
a journey as it is for Max. It's Stafford Goofy
as well. He learns Max a good kid. Max is
gonna be all right for a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
He learns that Max's fate is jail anyways, and I'm
gonna help him do it. I can't stop it. There's
nothing I can do about it. But yeah, this is
this is a great movie.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, it's it's it's a very good movie. And like
I said, Baseline, it's it's hard to not like this movie.
Let's get into Max.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
That could be anything. It could be about in mac
Like I mentioned earlier in the podcast, people did not
consider this to be a part of the Dinny the
Disney renaissance that ran from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen
ninety nine, even though it came out right in the
middle of it in nineteen ninety five. The movies that
are in the Disney Renaissance are The Little Mermaid the
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Rescuers down Under. So if you want to not count
movies and I like The Rescuers down Under, don't count
that one.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I mean, that's that's fair, But that's really the only
one that's the stray from all the others.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Lion King, Pocahontis, the Hunchback
of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan Tarzan.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Now it is interesting to note, I think Hercules is
the most like this one where it's the least serious
of all the other ones, you know what I mean,
Like the Goofy movie. It's dramatic, but it's not as
dramatic as all those like Shakespearean and old school stories
that are told as kids' stories. But when you're thinking
in that much like, it doesn't fit in with any
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of those movies. So I understand why it's not included.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I will say that Hercules. I just recently rewatched it
with my son. It is a fun, grand old time
and I would once again put it up there soundtrack wise,
music wise, with any of the other movies.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
James Wood is incredible. He's a crazy stupid person these days,
but he's so good.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
That Bob kat Goldwaite is amazing in this yep. So
I will ask you where would you rank the Goofy
Movie against the other ten movies that I just listed.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's below all of them except for maybe Rescuers down Under.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh no, I would, I mean, I have pretty high
praise of Hercules. I would have it.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean you also named like five forty doggers there, right,
do it again, Little Mermaid?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Forty dogger The rescuers down Under.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That's probably in the same range.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Here, Beauty and the Beast forty dogger, Laddin forty dogger,
Lion king fordy tug, Pocahontas forty dogger. I wouldn't say
Pocahontas is a.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Oh I love pocon Fuck you. I named my first cat,
Miko after the raccoon. Not stand up for Pocahontas slander here,
come on, if anything, Mermaids the one that's a little
under the other ones.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I would say, kart sign facing Goofy movie over Pocahontas.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You're fuck You're stupid, You're dumb.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
How dare you hunch back a notere dame? Which maybe
that's something that I just need to watch as an adult.
As a kid, I did not care for that movie,
but maybe maybe I need to uh give it a
fresh pair of eyes of like, wow, they're doing this
in a Disney movie type of thing.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
You know what, I might I might take Goofy movie
over that. That might be like thirty four to thirty five,
thirty six. It's in that range. Hercules, Hercules is much better. Mulan,
Mulan is great.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Mulan is great.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Mulan's Maybe that's great. Lens is a lot of forty dogger, though.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I don't think it's a forty dogger, and I would
put it just below some of the that I put
it just below the Big three, the Big three, I
would say Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
I think Pocahontas is in there too.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I wouldn't put Pocahontas in there, And I think visually
Tarzan might be around the river bend. I know, just
once more.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Pocahontas is great, great music, better than Mermaid.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I think that Tarzan is visually the best looking one.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Tarzan is close to a forty dogger, Cory, but.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I think Tarzan is just outside of my Disney window.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, it's right at the end for us. But that
that's a great, great soundtrack that might bump it up
to forty.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Because I also just rewatch the animated Lee Lo and Stitch.
That movie fucking rules.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
That movie is a shit. Yeah, yeah, that's so, and
I'm very much looking forward to the live ack.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I'm looking forward to it too. So guys, tell us
go on social media right now where it does a
goofy movie rank against the other Disney Renaissance films. How
do you feel about the movie speaking as a son,
a father, a daughter, a mother? How does this movie
now speak t U?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Also, you have an orange shirt, let us know because
it's just I've just the whole time I've been staring
at our orange shirts. It's very jarring ringing.
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Now it's not for girls jumping on trampopalines
I like these sunglasses. Bought it from a gas station.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I don't, but I do like that which your baby
them some bitches.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Nineteen ninety nine. But it was so the reason why
I bought Steve. Let me explain myself, okay, is I
would look at these sunglasses every time I was at
the gas station by my house. Sure, and I'm like,
do I buy them today? And every day I'd say no,
twenty dollars is too much. I then went to get
coffee on the first day of my vacation, and you
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know how when you're on vacation, you say fuck it.
I was like, I walk these from my vail. All
the rules are out the window. I'm getting these rippers.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now when you walk back into your domain. What did
your wife say?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
She didn't care for them, nor did she care that
I bought two pairs because one of them went to
my son.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, you know what, in that respect, I like them.
Any time you can match RAFFI, I think that's a
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
Marl Street.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And Time and I'm Mac.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And we are the Mac and Goo program. We bring
you friendship, and.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Today we're bringing you a father son relationship, what's some
friends involved. This is a real touching movie, more touching
than I think most folks give a credit for, at
least at the time back in nineteen ninety five when
this was reviewed, and the year since, the thirty years
since spoiler alert this came out April seventh, ninety five.
Thirty year anniversary just hit the other day. Hence why
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we're reviewing this movie. I think in the years since,
people have learned and grown to really appreciate this movie.
The movie we're talking about, of course today is a
goofy movie.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And even today looking at because I was trying to
send you something, I was gonna get something for your sack,
but I guess we'll just put it right here. I
was trying to rank this against the other Disney Renaissance movies,
and in all of the websites that I checked, they
don't count this as a Disney Renaissance movie.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I don't think I ever did either, and I
don't think you did either. It did come out in
the middle, it came out in the middle of it,
but I don't think it was ever really considered part
of it. And I think while they were making it,
they knew that too, based on the effort they put forth.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, no, but if you're counting the Rescuers down Under,
which wasn't great, this is right in there too.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it strikes me, And we'll get into this in
a few minutes, and we're talking about the cast. It
strikes me that they thought that this movie was gonna
stink and no one was gonna see it. And it
didn't get reviewed as well as they had hoped obviously,
or maybe what they predicted, but it did double up
its money at the box office. So that'll be a
conversation we'll have in a few minutes. It's it is
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interesting that I feel like the studio didn't put enough
behind this, because this movie truly is very good. Well.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So, one of the things that we learned in the
documentary that came out just this past week is that
what they were trying to do at Disney was see
if they could create Lightning in a bottle with less
of a budget than what they had with their other
mega hits.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I feel like they actually did it. It just
didn't register at the box office, right and obviously you
know you read reviews from them too. It didn't really
register there. But this movie has aged tremendously.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
The amount of critics that pretty much said, hashtag not
my Goofy. I grow up guys.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, like we really needed the fucking specific type of Goofy.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
This is not the Goofy that I grew up with.
I didn't see him slip on one banana peel.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They wanted Goofy to be Chevy Chase in SNL Goo
once again, a Goofy movie debuted April seventh, nineteen ninety five.
At the box office. It made thirty five point three
million dollars. No international release for this as well, very
rare for a Disney movie that also hurt it. This
had an eighteen million dollar budget, so again doubled up,
it made money, certainly didn't lose it kud. This made
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six point one million dollars on its opening weekend, second,
finishing second to Bad Boys. Also the opening weekend for
Bad Boys, which made fifteen point five and it just
edged out Tommy Boy, which finished third and its second
weekend of release. So that really brings you back to
a time and place, and this is the ninety five
Goo and I are both six years old, and this
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is really around six is where I feel like you
really start remembering media and liking certain types of media
and really falling in love with certain things. And I
remember seeing this movie as a kid. But for some reason,
I this didn't become a favorite of mine in the
way maybe it did for you, because you've been talking
about this movie for like as long as I've known you,
and I I never it never quite ticked up as
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high for me as it has for you.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, And during this rewatch, there are definitely things that
still stand out as being great, but there are parts
And this is what an eighty two it movie.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's a great question, I believe it is.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
But when you see it, you're like, we could have shaved.
We we could have we could have gotten to the
point either quicker, or we could have given more examples
of other things.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
There's a good amount of time before the road trip.
It takes a little bit to get into the road trip.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
All of the music, by the way, this is spoiler filed.
All of the music done by Goofy and Max outside
of their final song of nobody Else but You Throw
It in the Bin.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Eighty eight minutes, by the way, minutes. Yeah, I hadn't
seen this movie in god knows how I couldn't tell
you the last time. I've completely forgot how much music
is actually a lot in this movie. It's original music too,
And you're right, and maybe that's why it doesn't register
with the renaissance too, is it's pretty forgettable. It sort
of fits with the movie, and it is pretty creative,
but it's not you know, radio level, it's not popular level.
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And and maybe that's why when they maybe test tested
this movie, they sort of shoot it in, didn't really
want to push it the way they did with those
others nineties movies.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And I guess you can really only do so much
with the singing voice of Goofy. But yeah, it really
it's like, Okay, this song should have been thirty seconds long.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Ago. This is G rated. We don't do too many
G rated ever, so that's good. That's good for everyone.
It's rated G for Goofy, huh or for good.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
They definitely did something there with that, right they had to.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm sure. I'm sure I don't remember. We were six.
Like I said, runtime of eighty eight minutes. This is
an animated adventure and comedy. I also think there's some
decent drama. It's a good family movie. It's a musical.
There's some romance in here sub genres via the great
IMDb Animal Adventure, which I don't think it qualifies. It's not.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And they even talk about this on the documentary of
like we went out of our way to not make
an animal a talking animal movie. Well, yes, these are
talking animals, but it's not really.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Pal they're humanoids. Basically, we look at them as human characters.
Buddy comedy, which it is, and it is.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's a road trip road Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Pop musical, road trip, slapstick, a little bit of that
with goofy teen adventure, teen comedy, and teen romance. And
I also think maybe that's why this kind of missed
the mark originally. It just gauged more for like a
twelve to fourteen audience.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Not timeless. It's not timeless. That's what a lot of
the critics had an issue with of Well, we just
saw The Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, the
Little Mermaid. Those are all timeless classics. This is a
I feel like, if you weren't a certain age when
this came out, it's kind of not over your head,
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but it's under you.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's not relative. It's nothing, it's nothing you can relate to.
And like, if you're too young, you're just not connecting
to Max like falling in love with rock Sand, like
if you haven't maybe got to middle aged or middle
school yet where you're like have that real big first
cry that the whole thing like it just is gonna
fall apart. You know, you're not going to house parties
in fifth grade. You might be in seventh or eighth grade,
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you know, And that even though it's a only a
two or three year gap, that's a huge two or
three year gap. And I think that that is a
fair criticism and we see that in the in the
results here right on Rotten Tomatoes, sixty four percent from
the critics, seventy one percent from the audience, of fifty
three on Metacritics. So basically, mets a met And when
you're rewatching this movie now, you're actually like, Wow, this
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is a really good family movie, a really good father
son's story, pretty relatable in that aspect. However, marketed towards kids,
it's not gonna hit like maybe they intend right.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So one of the parts of this movie on the
rewatch where I'm like, maybe we could have done something
different like, maybe we didn't need sasquatch, we didn't need Bigfoot.
You could have just had a bear or something. But
one of my lasting memories from watching it as a
child was Bigfoot in it. So you kind of have
to weigh that it is a children's movie.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, it's it's that. I guess they did middle it
now the more that we're talking about it, and I'm
more understanding as to why it kind of failed. But
as we talked about a news dump earlier this week,
this has become a bit of a cult classic, especially
with the black community, And I find that fascinating that,
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like the black community has really taken to this movie
of all the Disney movies, and they talk about do
they talk about that in the documentary as well?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
A little bit not a time though.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, it's I just find it interesting that this character
in this story has has become that popular. Uh. This
is written by Jim mcgoon. He was the creator of Ducktails,
a writer on Super Superhuman Samurai, CyberSquad, the Matthew Lawrence Vehicle.
Chris Matheson, a writer on the Bill and Ted movies.
Brian Pimental, a writer on Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin
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and Brother Bear. So they had the creatives here, like
they had the right writer in the room, So it's
interesting it didn't quite pan out.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Jim Megan, Is that Jim Magan? How we pronouncing? The director?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Director is Kevin Lima, who directed Tarzan three years later.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, he did Tarzan three years later, so he was
able to do one of these these big Disney pictures
that I think was just outside of our window of
Disney movies, but visually and direction is actually quite good.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, and don't forget Kevin Lima also directed one hundred
and two Dalmatians and Enchanted A chanton was ahead of
its time. It's not great, but it was ahead of
its time. Goose synopsis of a Goofy movie when Max
makes a preposterous promise. By the way, preposterous is one
of my favorite words in the English language. I love
saying it makes a preposterous promise to a girly as
a crush on his chances of fulfilling it seems hopeless
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when he is dragged onto a cross country trip with
his embarrassing father Goofy. This movie stars Bill Farmer as Goofy.
Bill Farmer became the official voice actor of Goofy in
nineteen eighty seven, so that lays into goose hashtag not
my Goofy. He also voiced Pluto and Horse Horse Caller
and other Disney cartoons, Stinky in the Casper films and
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Sylvester Foghorn, Leghorn and Yosementy Sam and Space Jam. It's
a pretty notable voice.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So one of the things that is told to us
in the documentary is that Jeffrey Katzenberg, who was the by.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
The way, that documentary for the people, Where's.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That Disney plus olus Disney plus So I forget what
his official title was. He was in charge of the
animated movies at Disney during the Renaissance, so he had
a bit of a golden touch. But while watching some
of the animation and the voiceover lineup, he had the
idea that what they should do for Goofy is not
have him sound like Goofy, Like what if we got
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Steve Martin And they're like, oh, Steve Martin to do
a Goofy impression, and they're like, no, no, just have Steve Martin.
And then they had to They went and they talked
to Bill Farmer and they're like, hey, could you just
do this in your regular voice, just so we can
show Katzenberg, And he did it in his regular voice,
and they showed him like, Hey, if you want a
Goofy movie, he has to sound like Goofy.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah. I guess that's true. But to be fair, I
don't think anyone really gives a fuck about Goofy, you
know what I mean? Like, Goofy is no one's favorite character.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I was a Donald Duck boy growing up.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
How about you. Goofy's like always a B level, you know,
secondary favorite. So I know there was there's it's like
pretend outrage, right, no one really cares. It's just something
to make a point about. So I guess I would
have been fine if they changed it. But part of
the Goofy magic is he's Goofy, right, He's an embarrassing character.
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He's slapstick, And that's why this story works because Max
is embarrassed of his father.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, he's so over the top, but it still allows
you to be in Max's shoes. And I don't want
to get too deep into your personal life or my
personal life, but I do feel like for every child,
whether you are a son or a daughter, there is
a fear of becoming your parent.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah. I think everyone who has a parent or everyone
that like, how do I want to phrase this so
that it makes most sense?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, No, try and make the least amount of sense
as possible as you say this.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Everyone that is raised by a parent and like grows
close with a parent is afraid they're going to become
their parents. But then later on, like in this movie,
you learn that it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Not only later on, it's goofy throughout the entire movie,
telling Max about how much he admires his father that
he is now at an age where he can look
back on it being like, Wow, I really loved my dad.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah. And I think we've all gone through that process
at some point or maybe still going through that process
where when you were younger, you did not understand why
your parents did certain things or their motivations, And later
on in life you learn about more about your parents
because you become more friends than you know father son
or father daughter, mother son, mother daughter, and you really
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start to and understand why they did certain.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And really, this movie does hit me. And I don't
want to get too far into the weeds of my life,
but I would say for what a handful of years,
I was a complete dickhead to my dad like I was.
I wouldn't say that I was a bad son, maybe,
but like you.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Were you, I would say you were difficult.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I pushed the limits with my father for a very
for a good amount of time. But even through that time,
whenever I would come to him with something that you know,
I needed advice on, or I needed anything for, he
was always there to help me, no matter if the
day prior I was, you know, crawling on his face
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and smushing him around whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And you, famously, what was your method of apology to
your father for being such a time?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I have a tattoo of his face on my leg.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Goo got this? What what were you?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Nineteen twenty on my nineteenth birthday, I got a tattoo
of my dad's face, and everyone from that point on
just assumed that he was dead. He is still live
and yes.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, And and that's the match. Like when you
get someone's face, a parent's face tattooed on you, one
would assume that they're they're parish. But good did that
as an apology.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I did it as an apology to my dad. And
then I went on for three to four more years
of just being a shithead. But also, like like you
just said, you keep on learning more and more things
about your parents as you get older. My dad just
tells me stories now that I don't think are real,
and then my mother will sit in the corner and
just shake her head and go, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That actually happened.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Like and I don't know anything about my father.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, but as you when you get older and unfortunately go,
I know everything about my father. So it is a
different relationship we have with our fathers, for better or worse.
I think now it's you know, water finds its level,
But this is something you know. I just lost a
grandmother a couple of weeks ago, and I'm glad over
the last like four or five years because she was
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real old school tight Kit didn't tell us like stories
about her hey day. In the last four or five years,
she started opening up about that stuff, and she had
some really cool stories. And I wish there were stories
she told me ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, but that's
not how she operated. And and I think this movie
really reminds you that of those things you know, So
spend a little more time with your parents, your grandparents
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because it's finite, you know, it goes away and this,
And that's why this movie is so good, because it
really there is a good family story here. Like it
it got misconstrued, I think thirty years ago, and I
think that's why it's become a cult classic.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I also would have liked if they took a little
more time and how far are we into the cast list?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But whatever, why would we've just done Goofy?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I would have liked if they took a little more time.
I think we got three scenes of Goofy and Pete
and the split in how they raised their children where
one rules with an iron fist you need to have
them under your thumb, the other and it's really pushed
in that hot tub scene of like hey, of Goofy
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being like, that's not true. My son loves me, and
then Pete says, my son respects me.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, and we know we all had friends that grew
up with that type of father where you know, if
it works, it works. But they're like, there's different parent
extyles and different children need to be parted differently. But
like it does a good job of like conveying that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and maybe they touch on it more in a
very goofy sequel when the boys and Goofy go to college.
But like, I feel like there's another story with peage
here where he has his either rebellion years or he
grows up and maybe his relationship with his father isn't
great after he hits a certain age.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's interesting to think about that. Yeah,
let's run through the rest of this castlest real quick.
James Marsin as Max Goof. You might know James Marsin
as JT's best friend on Step by Step Named Rich.
He's Nelson in Full House for a handful of episodes.
He's also the voice famously of Thackeray Bink's Goof from
Hocus Post.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Also plays James Marsden on Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Goode Jim Cummings as Pete. You would know him as
Winny the Pooh Tigger and a million other things. Very
famous voice actor Kelly Martin as Roxanne. Rob Paulson one
of goose favorites as PJ Pete, while A Shawn another
one of Goo's favorites as principal.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's what it's all about. It's a mount rushmore of
Gooz favorites between Jim Cummings, Rob Paulson, Wallace Shawn, and
Pauli Shore.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I was gonna say, well, he's uncredited. You just ruined it.
I'll just say fourth one on there, Gena von Oy
as Stacy. You might remember her his Blossom's friend with
the hats, right. I liked her with the hats friend.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Also, though, you're about to get to Frank Welker, who
is one of the all time great voiceover actors, as
just making noises.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, Frank Welker as Bigfoot, Kevin Lima the Director as Lester,
joe Anne Worley as Miss Maples, Julie Brown as Lisa,
Joey Lawrence, one of the Lawrence brothers in here is Chad,
and of course couple uncredited roles here. Polly Shore is
Bobby Zamerski and Tevin Campbell is power Line. Now. I
was curious as to why Shore is uncredited because his
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voice is so distinct and he's not doing a voice.
He's just curious.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I have it right here, Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I looked it up. They don't even need to think
on it. Polly Short requested that his role be uncredited
because he didn't want Disney to capitalize on his name,
similar to Robin Williams's request from that now Polly Shore
was very popular in the nineties. But I also think
that he might have had an inkling that this movie
wasn't gonna be good and he didn't want to be
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as attached to it via credits as he no doubt
was gonna end up being because everyone knew it was him.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I would assume that if this was a PG thirteen movie,
instead of giving him cheese whiz, they'd be giving him drugs. Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And you can tell shit there leaning down jeez that
that so I will I'll say it as a chiconic
line as a kid, he's the character that you quoted
the most.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, for sure. And you could tell that they just
got him in the recording studio for probably a day
or two and had him just riff and they use
whatever they could use.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then really the unsung hero of this movie. I
think the thing that most people remember from this movie
is Tevin campbell power line.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, like a goofy movie is a very good movie.
We just spent a good fifteen minutes talking about why.
But what we remember from it is the pop star
power line Like that's why it became iconic, or that's
part of the reason why it became a cult classic,
because that character is iconic.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And what's maybe more iconic than anything on here is
the final performance when we get the perfect cast. I
was at a wedding once where the bride and groom
did it, and I said, they're gonna last forever.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah, that's awesome. Shout out those people.
That takes some real some planning and some effort.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
There, which also is sorry. In the documentary they showed
how so they needed actual human beings to perform the
dance ahead of time so they can get the models
for the animation and seeing the three people and they
would have them like the certain height and how like
each of them had to dance a very specific way,
like Goofy had to be a bit looser and a
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bit more comical. But seeing the three people dance for
it fucking iconic.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah that's pretty cool. Yeah, let's get to the gautlet.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Here fun factor. I do think that this does lack
a bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, I'd agree with you. It could be more fun.
I think that's definitely fair. It could be more fun.
It's fun. But compared to other Disney movies that are
I guess more cartoonists, like Cuz you know, Aladdin, Beauty
and the Beasts, it's real dramatic stories. This isn't as dramatic.
The ones that are more cartoonish like this are generally
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more fun.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But this does have enough fun satisfactor. This is a
first off, I think, one of the greatest callbacks in
movie history of giving you the setup in the middle
of the movie with the perfect cast and then bringing
it back at the end with the goofs doing it
on stage with power line. That is up there with
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Leo pulling out a flamethrower in Once upon a Time
in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean, I wouldn't quite put it on that level,
but it is a pretty satisfying ending, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Borometer. It does take you a little bit of time
to get into the story. It does give you some
of the background of what Max is dealing with. It
gives you some of the background, a little bit of
Goofy at his job, and Goofy's job being that he
works with children, and how good he is at working
with children, younger children. But then you get to he's
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not good at Max's age, Max's teenage age.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Right, And I actually I forgot about that aspect because
I hadn't watched the movie so long, and it's kind
of sad. You know, Goofy's a very sympathetic character in
this movie because he is so good with kids in general,
but he's not good with his kid. You know. It's
a very easy thing to like get behind there.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And the one thing that I like they don't get
really deep into this is how Goofy says that he's
kind of missed those years with Max in between, but
like he seems like he's very attentive and he is
he tries to be in Max's life, so maybe he
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just he's kind of like had a blind eye to it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, it hasn't figured out a way to get through
or thought he was and now is just realizing he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, okay, we just worked our way through that. Thank
you with that. Yeah, Halloween, this has aged like a
fine wine.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I agree. I think over the years and as you
get older, this movie gets better and more relatable. And
it is relatable in that certain age of age like
twelve to fifteen and maybe even older, but as we
become adults, this movie gets even more relatable.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think about this constantly, and maybe this just has
to do with my horrible personality of often when I'm
playing with my son and we're really we're getting into
the story of the adventure of our playtime. Yeah, I'll
sit back for a second and think he's gonna hate.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Me someday, at least for a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Like, he's gonna he's not gonna like me, So really,
let's enjoy this time because he is not gonna like me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It depends, right, because usually not all but typically a
lot of paradynamics is there's a good cop bad cop, right,
are you good cop? Or are you bad cop?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I'm the bad cop, but I'm the least threatening bad
cop ever. Like there have been times when people have
said to RAFFI, my son, wait till your father gets home,
or wait till we tell your father, and I can
hear them in like the other room, being like, what's
his father gonna do?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Fuck? At some point he's gonna read the room and
be like, well, no one else is afraid of him,
Why should I be afraid of him? Anything?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Be afraid of your mom. I'm petrified our quarter World.
Is this better than nineteen ninety five's oh the same year.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Is water World ninety five as well? I believe?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So wow, is it better than water World? Yeah, it's
better than water World?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It is. It is better than we But.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
They each have their own separate charm.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Totally agree, Pants.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Ten City Excite bike Mania. What gets you going from
this movie? It's the power Line concert. It's the conclusion
of the movie. It's them finally seeing I number two.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I July ninety five for water World, so three months later, Yeah,
it's uh, Pants Sense Cities and it's it's like you said,
the callback they open, what Max doing the power Line?
And then it ends with that, like it's a great
culmination of the story and the moment that they set
out to do from the.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Beginning plemonade with those those Lemons and plemens, what are
you doing with your time there? Are you making it good?
Like Jesse Plemmons? Are you making it nice? Like in
White Life with Sam Rockwell, you tell me who is it?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Mac the MoMA makes a nice and neat meet the ball.
To me, it's like clearly poly Shore even though he's
only on screen for like maybe three minutes total. Everything
he says, is funny. And like you said, the most
qrtable line of the movie is.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
From Poli Shore, Tevin Campbell Power Devin Camble's Great Devin Kimble.
Two songs that they created are both of the time
and age extremely Well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think that's also
a very very good point.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Who for those of you tarty to the Mac and
Goop party, we rate everything on a forty hot dog
rating system. Mac really the father son dynamic of this movie,
both as a son and as a father. You see,
while both of them have their faults, and both of
them have issues, at certain points of they do things
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that they shouldn't do, Like Goofy should have talked to
Max after Max went to the principal's office and not
just assume that he's gone go into jail. Max should
have had a conversation with his father about, Hey, why
don't we just go to Los Angeles? And Goofy probably
would have said yes, as long as we're spending time together.
But they both do things that the other one doesn't
approve of. And while yes, conversation and communication is an
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issue for both of them in this movie and the
and the high Dad soup scene is a very good
example of like how they have a tough time talking
to each other right now. But I love the father
son stuff in this, and like I said earlier, I
love how you have the two examples in really even
three examples of you have Goofy Pete, and then you
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even have like rock Sands Dad, where you know so
many dads of you know, girl dads who just try
and be as big and threatening as possible. But then
when the girl's like hey dad, He's like, I really
do enjoy this movie. I can see where some of
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the corners are cut. Could they have tightened it up
a little bit, maybe, but I would have wanted examp.
I would have wanted more of what we already got elsewhere.
I don't love a lot of the music in this,
but just as a story and just the just the
overall thought and I think the passion that goes into
the writing and the emotions of this movie. It's tough
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because I wouldn't want to put it up there with
like the absolute Disney classics, but it's like that next
level down and it's really unique against the other ones
because there's no other Disney movie like it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You're right, you're about that thirty four. Okay, here go,
We've just got a good synergy these days. First of all,
I want to start my quick hotography here by handing
out credit to Jason Marsen. Goho rudely skipped over Max
credit union. Jason Marsden is the machine that makes this
whole thing go. Him is Max Goof is awesome. There's
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some thing about his voice even now that sounds very teenagery,
which is why he works really well here. He worked
really well on all those teenage type shows. It just
works really well. He does a great job showing a
range of emotions as Max gowb G. I'm kind of
in step with you here. I thought you were gonna
come in higher than that. I think this movie has
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rightfully become a cult classic over the years, rightfully starting
to get its justice. It's flowers these days. They just
released this thirtieth anniversary documentary which might be introducing new
people to this movie. This is a really good story,
and maybe it doesn't have the high highs of a
lot of the Disney Renaissance greats. It definitely doesn't have
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the great music of those movies, but it has a
great story. At its core, and I was thinking thirty
four to thirty five hot Dogs. It's a really good movie,
and it's hard to not like at our age, at
our age where we've seen both ends of it, you know,
being the twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old had the crush
and now being an adult you're in fatherhood. You know,
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maybe I'll get there one day. But even at the
level of starting to understand your parents, it's a super
relatable movie. It's a really easy watch, eighty eight minutes
in and out, and like you said, you can cut
some out there, but I find this an incredibly likable movie.
It's hard to watch this and not like it. And
to me that that says a lot about this movie.
Doesn't make it the greatest movie ever. But you're talking
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lowest common denominator, it's up there pretty high. So I
think thirty four to thirty five is a good score
for it.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Like there's clear points where you can see that there's
a room for improvement, but the overall heart of the
movie is there.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And like when you look back now, you know with hindsight,
they're all those other Renaissance movies. They're going full bass
to the wall. One hundred percent, and if they had
applied that effort and money to this movie, this could
have approached forty dogs. Maybe you know, it was lacking
the backing more than anything.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
All right, Mac, let's go on to I mean these
are really quick I don't even call them spoilers. They've
been spoiling the entire movie, but just a kuple quick roes.
A couple quick notes that I have here is also
what I love about this movie is this might be
and I have done no research into this, but really
dealing with the relationship of parents and children, where most
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of the Disney movies is children dealing with the death
of their parents.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, well, I mean we still are dealing with an
aspect of that here, right, you know, there's no mother here,
it's just Goofy and Max, So there's a little bit
of an aspect of that here.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But it's still parenting.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
All right, So fear of becoming your own parent is
a big thing here that goes on throughout the movie.
Max has day dreams, he has dreams about it. That
opening scene with the dream I think is very effective
in telling that it is.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
They do a really good job in the first fifteen
minutes even ten minutes of this movie of setting the
scene and getting you sort of to buy in the Max.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
The big screen at their school assembly is fucking nuts.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I don't know that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I also think it's quite a hazard to be spraying
the fire extinguisher the way Bobby za Minsky was.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Well, get your fire shit out of here. We don't
need your safety. But what I'm saying, though, is like
it's like a fifty by fifty foot fucking screen, like
a big square where they're able to just show like
a movie there.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, and this is not two thousand and five where
Blu ray DVD that sort of thing was on the rise.
This is nineteen ninety five where they're still wearing wheeling
carts into the classroom. You know, Like, I don't know
if they have that projection technology at a regular old
high school back in ninety five.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Can we get new textbooks? No, we just got that
new screen in the auditorium. You can see where that.
So one of the times where I was like, oh,
this is definitely them cutting a corner is Max and
PJ are having a conversation in the foreground and in
the background. You have three characters that just don't move
off on their own in the background, not moving.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't notice that, but I'm so happy
that you did.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
So the conversation that goes on between Max and rock
Sand when Max tells her that he actually cannot go
on the date. His dad is making him do something,
which is a normal thing at that age, and he
tells her immediately. It's still it's like an hour after.
It's not like he just ghosted her and didn't tell her,
but he's telling her this, and her immediate reaction is
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I'll find someone else.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, that was. But also, you know, it's hard to
think back twenty years ago when we were fifteen. Roughly
you would make up dumb excuses for shit because you
would feel hurt, you would feel not wanted. I remember specifically,
not the same thing that I hope she's a listener
of the program. There's this girl way back when her
uh Rock Sand. She was from Waltham Oka. She invited
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me to a makeout party when I was like fifteen,
fourteen or fifteen, maybe even thirteen somewhere thirteen forty fifteen,
and I was like super scared. I never been to
a makeup party in my life. I like, I don't
what the fuck to do there? Like, of course make out,
but like how many people are gonna be there? So
I ended up coming with something bullshit excuse as to
why I could not go to the makeout party. I
was terrified.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Are makeo parties orgies for teens?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I don't know, I didn't go. Maybe I should have gone.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't ever been to a makeup party either.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh you know, I was when I was like thirteen
or fourteen, because the next time I saw her, we
didn't talk about after that. I saw her at Cam's
driving school. Oh nice, next time I ran into her
when I was sixteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now granted, Max response to this was not a good
one where he decided to lie.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, that's sort of what I'm talking about. They're both
they're full feeling hurt back and forth, so they're just
grasping for straws, trying to come up with something to
make themselves feel better.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The Possum Park is a nice uh you know, chucky
cheese like, well, you know my son or I used
to go to this as a kid. My son will
love it. Slash, I used to bring my son to
this when he was a kid a lot, so you know,
you kind of see that and that makes sense of
Goofy still thinking that he's just a boy.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, Possum Park is like that Chuck e Cheese like
story Land for around here, like that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I am Also what I would love for this movie
to give us as a thirty year anniversary is like,
what is Pete's credit score? What is like how much
is he borrowing to have what he has? What does
he actually own in life? Because he works in a
department store and I'm not poo pooing that, but he
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has this amazing RV We've seen in the goof Troops
show that he has these like you know, like home
theaters and like top of the line shit, Like what
does he owe per month on things that he cannot afford?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's a great question he might be on the version
of filing bankruptcy. Also, did that show come out after
the second movie or between the two movies?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I think before or I think it was like around
the same time. We could give out a googs while
I'm talking. So once again, the addition of Bigfoot kind
of it makes it more of an animated movie when
it was almost getting away from being an animated movie.
But like I said, as a six year old scene
this as a seven year old seeing this Bigfoot in
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the movie is something that made me laugh and it
sticks out.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Ah. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right about Bigfoot. Goof Troop
ninety ninety three, Yes, two years before ended two years
before this, so.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I think it had like three seasons as well. Okay,
but in that time, I do want to give Goofy
credit that he just accepts any time that Max is
like go this way, go this way, go this way,
even though he's made this trip before, and he's clearly
studied that map.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, he sort of teaching him a lesson, right, yeah,
and die by it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Also, Max didn't need to do any of that pencil writing,
any of that erasing. Granted he did it before his
dad gave him the map because of how much he
trusts him. But I would even say that once Goofy
puts the trust back into Max, Max should have then
went and erased what he did and put it back
to Idaho and then just lied about going to California.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I mean, this road trip seeing this map stuff hijinks
is the most relatable part of the movie for me,
because I've probably told this story before. I think I
was seventeen or eighteen. My dad decided to take me
and my siblings to New York City to Old Yankee
Stadium before closed, so we could go there, you know,
get some merch to the stadium. And about a week
before that trip, he got in a fight with his
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GPS his garment and hucked it out the window, so
we had no GPS on the way down in New
York City, you know, when you get close to the city,
the bridges are very confusing. There's park ways everywhere. If
you're not from there, you don't know how to navigate.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
All the roads are super fucking tight, so you really
got to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So this motherfucker hands me a map book from like
nineteen eighty five and expects me to be his navigator
while he's driving. And meanwhile, it's pouring rain. I can't
see shit. I can't read a map, so he's expected
me to see street signs tell him where to go. Now,
actually I fucked them up. He's mad at me. I'm
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mad at him for putting me in this situation in
the first place. We had the fucking garment that you're
You're the reason why we're in this predicament in the
first place. So there was a lot of silent time
for the next two or three hours based off you.
In fact, what we got I think we got. We
were staying in Times Square. I think we got there
like ten or eleven at night, and I immediately just
went for a walk. I walked through Times Square for
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a couple hours, like I gotta get away from We're
both we're both gonna lose our minds here. So yeah,
that's that was a very relatable scene.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I mean, it does remind me a lot of when
you would have a hockey game, say on a Saturday
or Sunday. It's a new rink and your parent would
print out the directions from map Quest, and sometimes when
they really were not sure of where the rink was,
you would do a practice run.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I also, uh, I'd like to thank you hockey for
bringing us around the state over the years, because once
I got my license, I knew how to get to
a lot of places because of youth hockey and those
seven am games going all the way across the fucking
state north south east west.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Once again, credit to and this is where my credit
union is. It is the hot tub scene with Pete
and Goofy of you know, Goofy saying my son loves
me and Pete saying my son respects me, and that
is that's what they both want. They both specifically want
that from their sons. Yet Goofy and I'm not gonna
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say he's a pushover. Goofy is just open to listening
to other people's ideas, which is good, whereas Pete is
my way or the highway.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, Goofy's a great father. Goofy's a great father. And
it also like toleration and like understanding differences and not judging,
like that's the whole part of this too. There's really
some like deep seated themes here.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And then you do get into once again another pretty
cartoonist scene of the car going over the bridge after
the are we going right or left? And I'll tell
you right now, and this is maybe my fault. I
didn't know where Idaho was.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Idaho's in that upper central Midwest area where there's like
five persons per square mile.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
So credit to this movie. It taught me where Idaho is,
just like how the Animaniacs taught me all of the
state capitals, the presidents, and the countries in the world.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, we all know, and I'll try to do this
backwards here so it'll be better visually. We all know
right Oregon, Washington, West Coast. We all know Chicago right
dead center. But the between there or that's Wyoming, Idaho,
the Dakota's Montana, They're all up there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I feel like you were good at the geography, B
were you?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I was? I made it on if you recall in
sixth grade, I made it the top eight. They made
it on stage and they could finished sixth I was
great at maps in geography.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And Mac lost because he didn't know where Idaho.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know. You know it helps me tremendously in bar trivia.
See the only time geography has ever helped me in
my in my old age.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Mac turns around like doctor Evil when they can you
tell us where the state is?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
You know? But I absolutely crushed. Like a month ago,
I was doing bar trivia, they asked for the tallest
point in Massachusetts. I bet you don't.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, the state bird is the Chickapea. So oh, I'm sorry, ahead,
it is Mount Greylock by Okay, So after the the
cartoonist scene of the car going into the river to
the to the waterfall. Before the waterfall, you have the
conversation of Max saying, I'm not a little boy anymore.
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I've I'm I'm grown up and I've got my own life,
and then Goofy with the response Goofy with the response
of I know that, I just want to be a
part of it, which that is that's the real heart
wrenching part of the movie. That then leads into maybe
the only I would say, the only good song sung
between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, it's a it's a great line. And like, as
you get older, as a sun, that's you, you don't well,
you should know that, and like your parents definitely make
that clear. But when you're young and you're kind of
fucked up in the head, you're like, you're not sure
of that, you know, you're you're tremendously like second guessing everything.
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But once you realize that fully that like your parents
just want to be a part of your life, that
changes everything. And unfortunately for a lot of people it
takes longer, you know, than others to understand that or
for that to be true.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Like I said earlier, the Excite bike Mania scene truly
is at the power Line concert using the perfect cast.
They do use the perfect cast just before that to
save Goofy, and I actually do like this, And someone
pointed it out in the Goofy documentary that the only
time where it's not like a cartoonish Goofy yell or
gulp or anything like that is when he's going down
the waterfall and he's actually yelling like a human being.
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You're like, oh, he's in real.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Danger, right, breaking character.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It isn't like a ugh, so perfect cast to save him.
He learned from his dad, which is nice. But then
so that there's my big critique here. Mac is the
entire movie. Goofy's biggest fear is Max ending up in jail.
What does he do at the end of the movie.
(43:12):
He helps his son trespass and get on the stage
with a celebrity so he can impress a girl. That's
something that I think might put you in jail.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, I'm a part of this journey as big of
a journey as it is for Max. It's Stafford Goofy
as well. He learns Max a good kid. Max is
gonna be all right for a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
He learns that Max's fate is jail anyways, and I'm
gonna help him do it. I can't stop it. There's
nothing I can do about it. But yeah, this is
this is a great movie.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, it's it's it's a very good movie. And like
I said, Baseline, it's it's hard to not like this movie.
Let's get into Max.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
That could be anything. It could be about in mac
Like I mentioned earlier in the podcast, people did not
consider this to be a part of the Dinny the
Disney renaissance that ran from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen
ninety nine, even though it came out right in the
middle of it in nineteen ninety five. The movies that
are in the Disney Renaissance are The Little Mermaid the
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Rescuers down Under. So if you want to not count
movies and I like The Rescuers down Under, don't count
that one.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I mean, that's that's fair, But that's really the only
one that's the stray from all the others.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Lion King, Pocahontis, the Hunchback
of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan Tarzan.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Now it is interesting to note, I think Hercules is
the most like this one where it's the least serious
of all the other ones, you know what I mean,
Like the Goofy movie. It's dramatic, but it's not as
dramatic as all those like Shakespearean and old school stories
that are told as kids' stories. But when you're thinking
in that much like, it doesn't fit in with any
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of those movies. So I understand why it's not included.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I will say that Hercules. I just recently rewatched it
with my son. It is a fun, grand old time
and I would once again put it up there soundtrack wise,
music wise, with any of the other movies.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
James Wood is incredible. He's a crazy stupid person these days,
but he's so good.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
That Bob kat Goldwaite is amazing in this yep. So
I will ask you where would you rank the Goofy
Movie against the other ten movies that I just listed.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's below all of them except for maybe Rescuers down Under.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh no, I would, I mean, I have pretty high
praise of Hercules. I would have it.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean you also named like five forty doggers there, right,
do it again, Little Mermaid?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Forty dogger The rescuers down Under.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That's probably in the same range.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Here, Beauty and the Beast forty dogger, Laddin forty dogger,
Lion king fordy tug, Pocahontas forty dogger. I wouldn't say
Pocahontas is a.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Oh I love pocon Fuck you. I named my first cat,
Miko after the raccoon. Not stand up for Pocahontas slander here,
come on, if anything, Mermaids the one that's a little
under the other ones.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I would say, kart sign facing Goofy movie over Pocahontas.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
You're fuck You're stupid, You're dumb.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
How dare you hunch back a notere dame? Which maybe
that's something that I just need to watch as an adult.
As a kid, I did not care for that movie,
but maybe maybe I need to uh give it a
fresh pair of eyes of like, wow, they're doing this
in a Disney movie type of thing.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
You know what, I might I might take Goofy movie
over that. That might be like thirty four to thirty five,
thirty six. It's in that range. Hercules, Hercules is much better. Mulan,
Mulan is great.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Mulan is great.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Mulan's Maybe that's great. Lens is a lot of forty dogger, though.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I don't think it's a forty dogger, and I would
put it just below some of the that I put
it just below the Big three, the Big three, I
would say Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
I think Pocahontas is in there too.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I wouldn't put Pocahontas in there, And I think visually
Tarzan might be around the river bend. I know, just
once more.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Pocahontas is great, great music, better than Mermaid.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I think that Tarzan is visually the best looking one.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Tarzan is close to a forty dogger, Cory, but.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I think Tarzan is just outside of my Disney window.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, it's right at the end for us. But that
that's a great, great soundtrack that might bump it up
to forty.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Because I also just rewatch the animated Lee Lo and Stitch.
That movie fucking rules.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
That movie is a shit. Yeah, yeah, that's so, and
I'm very much looking forward to the live ack.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I'm looking forward to it too. So guys, tell us
go on social media right now where it does a
goofy movie rank against the other Disney Renaissance films. How
do you feel about the movie speaking as a son,
a father, a daughter, a mother? How does this movie
now speak t U?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
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it's just I've just the whole time I've been staring
at our orange shirts. It's very jarring ringing.
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