May 28, 2025 • 39 mins
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Academy award winning actor and Newton native, Jack Lemmon is considered “the most successful tragi-comedian of his age". Lemmon is known for his roles in movies such as, Some Like It Hot, The Apartment, The Odd Couple, Glengarry Glen Ross, and more! Boston Globe film critic Odie Henderson joined Gary to discuss Jack Lemmon’s 50 year acting career, highlighting some of his classics!
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Academy award winning actor and Newton native, Jack Lemmon is considered “the most successful tragi-comedian of his age". Lemmon is known for his roles in movies such as, Some Like It Hot, The Apartment, The Odd Couple, Glengarry Glen Ross, and more! Boston Globe film critic Odie Henderson joined Gary to discuss Jack Lemmon’s 50 year acting career, highlighting some of his classics!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night side with Dan Ray w bsy. He constant's
me radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Mister Kirkby. I don't like to complain, but you were
supposed to be out of here by eight. I know,
buddy boy, I know, but those things don't always run
on schedule, like a greyhound bus.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, I don't mind in the summer. It's on a
rainy night. I haven't had any dinner yet.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
When we were on Rio Rancho, who was the top man?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Half of what old?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Two months? Three months?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
How about eight months? For three years in a row?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I know what bluck?
Speaker 6 (00:27):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
John or Purloin?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Please?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It was talent?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, door to door. It's called cold calling. John.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'll let me see if you can find out where
that gun animal is coming from.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Wherever it's coming from, we got to get rid of it.
Look at this did.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh hey, Bernie yo open fourteen and fifteen. You can't
do that, Jack open and Bernie, Jack, you can't do
what the book says you can't do.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We're almost up to the steam lines.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, I got this. My ears are filling up. I
got this sinus conditions, changing temperature I was getting from
their conditioning. Maybe no, no, It's all part of my allergies.
I get him in the summers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I listen to me. You put me on my board,
and I want three promising leads for the day. And
I don't want any book about him, and I want
them close together because I am going to close them all.
And that's all I have to say to you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
The amazing Jack Lemon. Amazing. Now.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I know we're changing gears big time because we've gone
from a family feud with the demolers to murder on
the high seas to courtroom drama, and now we're going
to have some fun. And joining me right now is
Odie Henderson for the Boston Globe.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Odie W.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Jack Lemon died in two thousand and one, and I
should say it back up six days ago, Odie wrote
this article appreciating Jack Lemon, who would have been one
hundred years old. I loved it. I was like a kid.
I was like, I couldn't believe it. And I need
to ask you, Odi, how old were you in two
thousand and one when.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
He passed away?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Oh? God, thirty one?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Okay? Really? Oh okay? You know you look much luck,
you look much younger. Online.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I will tell you that I thought, I thought you
were a kid when he passed away. But I just
appreciated how you appreciated him. And we're going to talk
about his career. And quite frankly, I think for the
casual movie guar, I think he's underappreciated. But what made
you want to write that article.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Well, they're doing a retrospective New York Stone Forum on
Jack Lemon and the Doctor. I only liked my favorite director,
Billy Wilder, used plenty of and when they were doing
a retrospective, i'd look to see if anything in Boston.
At the time, they had not been. I pitched the
paper and I was looking him up. I had no
(02:54):
idea he was born in Newton. That was kind of
my angle. You know, he's about him. So we did
this article. I he made a hundred movies, he made
a hundred he acted in a hundred roles. I can't
say he did one hundred movies because accounting, television and
things like that, but on and on the big screen
(03:14):
he had done a hundred roles. Last one, unfortunately, was
a legend of bag of ant. But he had a
lot of work, and so I wanted to write about him.
My mom liked an after very much. So when I
was a kid, he would Tom on TV. She would
tell me who he was. And in fact, the reason
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why I saw Buddy Buddy in the movie Theater was
because my mom liked Jack Lemon and Valtamathow and they're
in that. That's the last movie that Billy Wilder made,
and that's the last movie that they were in that
he made for them in Terrible. And it's funny that
Billy Wilder is my favorite director and the first movie
I saw Buddy Buddy, so apparently I've forgiven him. Buddy
Buddy is terrible.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Okay, we have We're going to get another connection with you,
Rob Let's take a break right now, a few minutes early.
Then we're gonna get a better phone connection with Odie's.
We talk about the life of Jack Lemon coming up
next to WBZ.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It's Night Side with.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
All right, we get a clear line now. Odie Anderson
film credit for the Boston Globe. He was joining us
and he wrote a terrific piece on Jack Lemon celebrating
his birthday.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I thought it was great.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
So why do you think Billy Wilder and Jack Lemon
hit it? Off and did so well together as as partners.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Honestly, I don't know. I think maybe he saw something
in Jack Lemon and he was able to write for him.
You know, he Il Diamond will something like a hot
and the Apartment, among other things, and maybe he saw something.
And I know that pim perrying baltim Math out with
him was a stroke a genius.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Because and I do want to get to Mathew in
a minute, but I want to talk about the Apartment.
It is a it's it's the perfect movie. It's a
perfect movie. And Shirley mcl I mean, and Fred McMurray,
I mean, come on, mister, my three Sons, the dad
from My Sons plays the jackass who has the mistress
and the whole bit. And it's a phenomenal movie. And
(05:13):
mcclean's great in it too. They're both phenomenal in it.
It's it's the perfect script. It's the perfect movie.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Well, I think this is Chula mclin's finest hour. You know,
she lost to a trichyat Andy famously the Oscar, that
is to Liz Taylor, who was in Butterfield Date, a
movie that Liz Taylor absolutely hates but Liz Taylor was
ill and the Academy assumed she was going to kill
over sty gear for the Oscar. Yeah, but but Cherley
mcsaying that that's her finest hour on the screen, and
(05:40):
The Apartment is a fantastic movie. And the funny thing
is I knew for Big Murray for my Three Sons
because obviously he was on the repeats when I was
a kid, and so when I saw Double Indemnity, it
was a shock. I saw doublin Demity probably before I
saw The Apartment, and he's a heel, and it was
just I saw him in Flubber right and my Three Sons.
(06:04):
This is a Nick Murray Wilder. He always used him
for evil purposes, the way he used William Holden as
a cat in Stall of seventeen and Sunset Boulevard. So
it's interesting what what Wilder would get from his actors,
you know what roles he put them in.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Do you think that Jack Lemon was Tom Hanks before
Tom Hanks?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Noah, I was joking to say that that Tom Hanks
was our dar. Jimmy's to my generation is Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That's a good point.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Because like Tom Hanks is, he's just a damn likable
And I would probably say, because I'm a I'm a
big Hanks fan, I would probably say Lemon, he's I
would say he's a better actor than Hanks because Lemon
could also pull off.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The serious roles, which was really hard to do.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And the China Syndrome, for example, Yeah, you know where
all of a sudden he goes from playing this innocent
sort of buffoon in the apartment, or you know, he's
playing Felix in the odd couple opposite Mathow or grumpy
old man, and then you go to the China Syndrome,
(07:15):
and that dude brings it. I think it's well, I'm
not gonna say it's I'm not gonna say it's his
greatest performance for me, but I could see why others
would say.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
That, oh, well, he got the awarded can for that
and for missing And I mentioned in my article that
my parents took me to see that to drive him
that's all asleep. So I technically have never seen in
China Syndrome in its entirety. So I said I would
put it in the paper so you guys could guilt
me into watching it. But Even before he did that,
he was in Days of Wine and Roses. He won
the Oscar for Save the Tiger. I think he's he
(07:47):
can play a heel far better than Tom Hanks can.
You can buy Jack Lemon as a heel despite all
delightable performances he's given, whereas Tom Hanks is always difficult
to buy him as the bad guy.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Do you know how how did he go from Newton,
Massachusetts all of a sudden to the success that he had.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I know, he went to Harvard and then he was
in the Navy, and then he got out and he
decided to act on stage. And I think his first
movie was nineteen forty nine, and he started working there
and then he was he went the Oscar for mister Roberts.
He was on stage before, Yeah, mister Roberts. I saw
that at So and Farm. I'd never seen it on
the big screen. It's this huge, beautiful CinemaScope movie and
(08:30):
I'd only seen it on VHS or on television when
I was a kid, and it just looked gorgeous. And
you know, there's a whole backstory to all the crazy
stuff that was going on on the set of mister Roberts.
But Lemon's great. He's the comedy release and he's really
broad in that movie. And then you look at something
like Missing and you can see the scope of his acting,
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you know, something that is like he's bottled up in
that film, or something like Glengary Glen Ross faced Lley
Machine Levine where he's just this desperate character and not
like him at all.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
When you say there's some backstory there with mister Roberts, okay, anything,
any t you can spell as the kids would.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Say, oh oh yeah, I mean you know, John Ford
got fired and discredited to John Ford and Brevon Leroy
he picked up after he got fired. Ford hated Kimmy Fond,
but he slugged him on the ship. I think I
may have been the beginning of the end for John
Ford directing that movie. So there's a lot of crazy
(09:33):
stuff going on. That was some of the more famous things.
Ford being fired, him punching Kenny Fond in the face,
knocking him out back in.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The good old days of Hollywood.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Right, But with Lemon, because I've seen interviews with Lemon
and there was the same thing with Fonda.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
While they would play.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Certain in certain situations, I mean Fonda obviously in on
Golden Pond that was a different, different character, but they
would play the every man, They would play likable characters.
There was definitely a sadness in Lemon's life. I would
see that in interviews.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, I suppose so, And I think, you know, you
can channel that into especially in comedy. They always say
people that are the funniest people off the off screen
have a lot of suffering, a lot of tragedy, you know,
And I kind of believe that. I think you'd be
really funny like Richard Pryor is a perfect example of that.
You have to really channel your pain into your performances,
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to your humor. And perhaps that was the case of
that woman. And when I was that phone for him,
his kid Chris was there, and his daughter, and his
grands and grandchildren were there, I mean some of his
family or actors still, they were all there to introduce
the some like a ho which is great on the
(10:53):
big screen. They played with the packed audience. It was fantastic.
One of the funniest movies ever made.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
The thing about Lemon is he was also a recovering alcoholic,
which he announced on the Actors Studio and that that
had that was like wait a minute, well what and
he had battled that and the other the other thing
that he I can't remember who said this, but before
every scene, before before the act, when they would say action,
(11:23):
he would whisper magic time.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That was his thing.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
I don't know, I heard. I heard that. I heard
that as well. I believe that.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, I totally do.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yeah, like magic time, that's what kicked him in. You
know where there's something that an actor does that sends
him into that reality or that false reality, and that's
that's what would work for.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Him for Lemon.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yeah, magic time, Yeah, I heard that magic time.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Okay, So from the China Syndrome, the glen Garry Glenn
Ross is Shelley.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I want to what we can do? Can we play this?
Can we play this? Rob? Can we play cut number six?
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Hopefully it's censored?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Can we play cut number six from Glengarry Glen Ross.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When we were on Rio Rancho who was the top
man half of what oh.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Two months, three months? How about eight months for three.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Years in a row?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Huh?
Speaker 6 (12:17):
And what luck was that?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
John or Purloin leads it was talent.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, door to door It's called cold calling John.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I don't even know their name.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They don't want to buy what I've got, soft cells.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
We were doing it before we even had a name
for it. Am I right?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Are you right?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You wouldn't know you?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
He doesn't even know what our streak is.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
What the hell are you?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
There?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Are?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Are Secretary Few?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, that's my message, So you few.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And kiss my ass. And if you don't like that, baby,
I go across the street and I speak to Jerry Grant.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Period.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You now listen to me. You put me on my
board and I want three promising leads for the day,
and I don't want any book about him, and I
want them close to get there. He goes, I am
going to close them all. And that's all I have
to say to you.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I love the scene where Alec Baldwin comes in, which wasn't.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
In the original play.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It was not.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
That is correct, that You're absolutely right it was in
the film.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
And Baldwin comes in.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know you see this, Watch this, watch Cush more
than the car and then Shelley's over trying to get
a cup of coffee, and then it's Baldwin's scene. Obviously, yes,
but the way Lemon just turns around. Is it's just
it's it's so, it's tremendous. Put that coffee down. What
(13:40):
are you talking about? Coffee is for closes on?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, just he's.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Just tremendous in this in this film. And then al
Pacino played that on Broadway, played Shelley on Broadway. I
can't imagine Odie anybody else playing Shelley but Jack Lemon.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Bob Odenkirk, who is produced the booking Candle the other
day and also introduced grin Glaragan Ross a couple of
days ago. The phone for him is playing, so he
living on Broadway currently in glen Garigan Ross. And he
talked about how he had to force himself not to
mimic Jack Lemon's cadence in his performance, especially in the
first speech that he has in play. And he talked
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about how he had to basically keep correcting himself because
he was constantly tapping into Jack Lemon's performance. How great
Jack Lemen's performance is in that movie. I think he's
the best performance in the Glenglorygan Ross movie. So it
was interesting too that you mentioned Matt.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Yeah, I mean, how can you not how can you
you know? I mean how can you not try to
be Jack Lemon? Because the great thing about the Glengarry
Glenn Ross performance, I remember he's in he's in the rain,
and he's on the phone in the rain, and I
believe his daughter needs an operation or needs surgery, and
he is up against it and he is just ruggling
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trying just I mean, you know, trying to get these
leads of selling condos in Flora or whatever. Just these despicable,
just just the worst. And you don't know. And this
is the magic of a great actor. When the character's gray,
you don't know whether to feel sorry for him or
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be irritated by him.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Absolutely, And I can never buy Paccino in that part.
And I don't think it's good Ken and they cast
them right as as with your roll mind the movie,
I don't buy him as a showy ravine at all.
I haven't seen the performance, but just thinking about it,
it just wouldn't work.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Have you seen the current Broadway produce. I don't even
know if it's still running with Glengarry.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Have you seen it?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Because I have it's it's I liked it. I liked it.
I think it's probably it's not as good as the movie. That.
I think Odenkirk is very goodn't it. You know, it's
on its al and him, and then it's it's hard
to shake the movie out of your memory. So when
you're watching and I didn't see to play initially, you know,
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so I by my first encounter with Gungary and Ross
was the movie.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, I mean, just the man. I think it's I
think it's ma'am. It's best work quite frankly. I mean
it's just somebody say American Buffalo, but like it's just unbelievable.
And the cast, my guy Kevin Spacey, well he's had
his own issues, but I mean Kevin Spacey's like a
supported character in that thing. And the cast is just
(16:37):
I heard Bill Burr, Massachusetts own Bill Burr does pretty
well is pretty well there too.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Yes, you know it's being Kevin Spacey has that that
lineout dat women says you know why, and he has
because I don't like you, right.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
It's it's it's awesome. Culkin got panned, though I was Culkin.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
He wasn't terrible. I mean, he wasn't terrible. I again,
I wonder if he was the right choice.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
He's not terrible, well probably not, but he's riding high.
You know, I I didn't think he deserved the oscar. Myself,
I would have gone other ways.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I would he deserved it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But yeah, we disagreed on that. You loved that.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, we disagreed.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Ye, Yeah, we disagreed. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I love the guy Pierce and this also, he hasn't
done a lot of stage work from what I understand.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Culkin, No, I don't think he has no. And you
can tell. You can tell who's the you know, the
expert on stage and who's the newbie. You're not necessarily
the mowbe, but the best experienced. If you're up against
that kind of someone like Bob wooden Kirk for example,
you know, not that they're you know, beating each other
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up on the stage, but you can usually tell, you know,
they haven't gotten the cowboys out. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Well, you know the I mean after I played Lieutenant
Shrank and West Side Story in the Portsmouth Academy of
Performing Arts presentation of the you know, I know the
stage that was a joke. Okay, No, I did play it.
You don't want to hear my own theater? Yeah, I'll
(18:16):
tell your theory story. We put on a play in
a motel. It was called Motel six. You know why
because it was off of exit six off the Spaulding Turnpike.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Hence because Motel six the chain it was actually.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
No, it was maybe maybe it was a different number,
but no, it was the number of the exit off
the turnpike. We rented the ballroom, we rented the stage,
and we put on a show. My friend, that's all
I can tell you. That's how much we wanted to
do it, and friends and family came. I don't know
if we were any good, but we had a really
good time. All Right, we still have more I want
to talk about. I want to talk about lemon of
(18:56):
math out and then Alway's going to tell us what's
hot coming out and what we should be looking four.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
As we continue on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
What's the matter now, No, I got this. My ears
are filling up. I got this sinus condition. It's the
change in temperature I was getting from your conditioning. Maybe
you don't know, Way, No, it's all part of my allergies.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I get him in the summer, only in the summer.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Man in the winter too. I get them all year long,
allergic to foods and pillows and curtains and perfumes. Can
you imagine that? Allergic to perfumes? I used to drive
Francis crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Jack Levin the odd couple with the Greg Walter mattho
Odie Henderson Jordan, guess you're talking about the career of
Jack Lemon, born in Newton, Massachusetts in nineteen twenty five.
Is there a better combo than those two?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You know, baby wille would already a earlier error.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Their magic.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And when I look at the casting for that, because
when I've talked to casting directors many times they'll say
what directors film directors will say, The key isn't in
the directing of the film. The key is in the
casting of the film. And that is the perfectly cash movie.
Now do we know what Jack Lemon was really like?
(20:27):
As I mentioned, I think there was some sadness. Who
was an alcoholic. He battled alcoholism. He wasn't Felix under
I don't think off the screen and Math I'm sure
had his issues, but their personas you would think, they
just fit that role perfectly. And I liked Klugman and Randall,
(20:49):
but those two just fit that role perfectly, like casting.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Was on The Money.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Well, you know, I got introduced to a couple from
the TV show, which is still wrong when I was
a kid. You know, I mentioned this in a many times.
My mother loves Neil Simon. I can't stand him, uh
and the Odd Couple is one of the few things
of his I can actually tolerate. And so I didn't
see The Odd Couple until many, many years that I
knew that Baltim math All and Jack Women were in it.
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I think the first thing I saw on the Men
was probably the front page, but the Fortune Cooking, which
is where Mathew got his oscar. It was the first
pairing of Wilder of Jack Women and WALTI math All
in any movie. This was Billy Wilder's film. This is
a couple of years before The Odd Couple. But you
can't you can't really think of as much as I
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love Jack Clubman, and when I saw WALTI. Mathow, it's
kind of a perfect It's almost like there are roles
that were killer made for him, and that's one of them.
The Bad News Bears another one that taken the problem
one to three is another one great also quite versatile
comic and dramatic actor like his partner Jack Women. But yeah,
they made so many movies together. Someone were pretty bad,
(21:57):
but the commissary between them was always unmistakable. I mean,
you could say the movie was bad, but you could
never say that they didn't work well together in that movie,
in any of their movies.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Do you think Mathow had ranged?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (22:11):
I do absolutely. It's und of like Charlie Varreck and
look at you know, him being the villain like Charade
or something like later on when he's doing a much
broader kind of comedy. Yeah, I think he had considerable range.
He just you always think of him as kind of
the grumpy old New York commergion, you know, And that's
kind of a lot of what is persona. And it's
(22:32):
just like how Jack Lemon is kind of fussiest persona.
But that's not necessarily all they could do. I mean again,
Charlie Varreck is probably the best example I can think
of besides taking a toll of one ty three, but
is a different Mathow but still Walter math Ow.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, I need to get into that more because I
haven't seen enough of it the way I have with Lemon.
So I wouldn't know, but and forgive me if this is.
And now you've questioned, why do you like Billy Wilder
but not Neil Simon.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
I think Billy Wilder's meaner for starters, He's more cynical.
He's more of my type of humor, although he's made
some pretty bad movies as well as some brilliant ones. Also,
he made the quintessential noir. You know, Noir is my
favorite genre of movie, so you know, I could it's
only ever made. It was Double Indemnity, you know, and
then Sounds at Boulevard, which is my second favorite movie
(23:24):
of all time. You know, he would be my favorite
director in Hitchcock would be number two. But I just
seem to like the asterbic nature of a lot of
his films. And he always thought of himself as a
writer first and less of himself as a director, you know,
all throughout his entire career, he always thought he was
a better writer than director, which I always found interesting.
(23:46):
But no, I mean I grew to love Billy Walder.
This kind of what I would expect to get from
his films. There was always humor, and there's always great, great,
great dialogue, you know, I'm a writer too, so you know,
when the screenplay is great or whatever, the screenplay or
something in that draws your attention, that brings you to it.
I think he does a great job directing his movies,
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even the bad ones.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
So what didn't you What don't you like about Simon?
Speaker 6 (24:13):
I don't think it's funny and I had to deal
with things that California Sweet and when I was a kid,
my mom and a Goodbye Girl, which I actually did
like it, just his human that doesn't do it for me.
It never really did. I just don't think it's funny.
I think it's very repetitive in terms of the type
of humor. Now, my mother's gonna come beat me up
(24:34):
because I'm speaking ill of Neil Simon.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
You got mommy issues there, kid, you got mommy issues? Uh,
California Sweet. I was never a fan of either. The
Goodbye Girl I thought was great, but I never I
thought that more. I maybe I'm wrong. It's been so
long since I've seen it. I thought that was more
of a drama edy. The Goodbye Girl.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It's I mean, no Richard Dryfers is running around mint
scene and doing Richard the Third as a flaming homosexual.
That's not drama.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, I don't. I remember. I remember that.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I think that's the first time I saw Dryfors in
a movie, and I remember really wasn't Jaws. No, you
know something, I am going to tell you. I'm going
to admit something to you. I've never seen Jaws.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Well you got an opportunity because they're going to be
doing it at Mark's Ring and I've been trying to
get out there that actually cover this thing. I just
saw it at TCM Film Festival. They ran a beautiful
ivy technicolor prints from the BSI it looked better than
it did in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I just you know, there's there's two movies. I love movies.
There's two movies that I haven't seen. I have no
interest in seeing Jaws.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I don't know why.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
I think.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I don't you know, maybe it's horror. No, I just
look at the Shark and I go, eh, I'm not
It's come on, man, it's like twenty twenty five The Shark.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Three times you see the Shark. The Shark was take
in nineteen seventy five, so you can't make that excuse.
But you only see the sh I'm pretty sure three
or four times. The first time you see him is great.
I mean that that scene is classic iconic. We're gonna
need a bigger boat, I mean fake or not. That
that scene is effective.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
What's the music? I mean, there's music.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
When the shark shows up the first time music. Now
it is completely silent because it's a jump scare, so uh,
we're shier. Brodie is down with a shoveling schumb into
the water and he's complaining the Dreyfist and the show
and say, why don't you come down and shovel some
of this expert is And then immediately the shark pops up.
(26:38):
There's no music, and then the shider backs up into
the boat, and then he says to we're a sure
we're going to need a bigger boat.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That's a great line. I mean, I just all right, all.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Right, watch I'll watched the China send if you watch.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yours, that's a deal.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Because the fact that you haven't seen the China syndrome,
I mean that's blasphemy.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Well I saw enough of it. I fell asleep not
see anything.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Well, I mean, well, okay, you don't have to watch
as much. The other one I said, and I've told
you this before. I tell people I've sat down to
start to watch Shindler's List one hundred times and I I.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Can't do that.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
You've got a Spielberg sing here.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But you know that's a good point. I mean, I
love Yeah, I love Spielberg.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
But I just like when I those are two and
when people say, you know, I love movies, I haven't
seen those two, I go, yeah, I know it's a little.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Embarrassing I can see, but Jaws is a surprise.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, I gotta do it. I gotta do it. I
want to Now. I want to ask you about Grumpy
Old Men. Where you are fa.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Grumpy Old Men? I did. I liked it. I enjoyed that.
I like to see also Grumpy Old Man. I didn't
like the sequel that is, but Grumpy Old Man I liked.
I like, I'll just see that. I think is that
the last one they did together. I'm not sure they
did a sequel to the Couple, which is god awful.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I bet it is.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Yeah, I think that was the last movie that they
made together, not the rest thing they made a period,
the last thing they know. Actually it is no, it
is the Couple I'm looking it up here. The odd
Couple two is after out to see a year after
Our Couple two is a ninety eight Well.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Grumpy Old Man two was a money grab. I mean, yes,
that's a money grab. That's for the kids. That's definitely
not for the kids. Hey, do you know what a
movie I love the Matthewen was Hopscotch.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
How Scotch is good? Hol Scotch with Glenn Grenda Jackson.
He did a couple of movies that are right. And
then you know, the women directed math Al in a
movie called Cotch.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
It's like nineteen seventy two. I think they may be
the only movie jack women directed.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Did they hang out on that? Did they socialize?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I can imagine that they've had to. I mean they
were in so many movies. But then again, like they said,
you know, you thought Geene Wald and Richard Pryo so
slabs little time and he didn't, and they made those
four movies together. I can't I can't imagine that math
Allen Lemon didn't hang out together. Yeah, this chemistry is
just too much for them. Like if they hated each other,
it'd be a big.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, that's definitely not true.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
But sometimes you know, you work on so many movies together,
that's enough, and then they kind of like, go do
go do their own separate thing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Can you hang around it?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Can you hang around and tell us what's big coming up?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Okay, Great Odie Henderson is with us from the Globe
Film Critic. He's gonna tell us what we should look
out for coming up next to w b Z.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wb Z
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Talking to some movies.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Here Odie Henderson, Boston Globe Film Critic talking about the
Great Jack Lemon. Uh and again it's you can catch
it on the Globe dot Com. Odie wrote a great
appreciation piece on Lemon came out about six days ago,
so just google ittle pop up out there.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
So what do we have to look forward to on
the screen here, Odie.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Well, it's summer, and summer is full of remakes and
sequels and all of that stuff. And this week you
have Karate Kid Legends. If you are wishing to live
we live your eighties era adolescens. I saw it, I
didn't like it, But next week June sixth, one of
the best movies of the year, and it would have
been my best movie of last year had come out.
(30:20):
Has Life of Chuck opens on June sixth, and I've
been this Life of Chuck evangelist for a little while.
Now it's a great movie. I finally get to run
my review that I wrote back in October for that.
It's a Stephen King aditation. It is not a horror movie,
and it's just fantastic, life affirming, beautiful little move if
Mark Hampbell is in it and Tom Hilliston in a
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bunch of red folks in it, and I can't tell
you anything about the movies, and I want to spoiler
for it's also on the sixth if you're a John
Wick fan, you can see Ballerina. It's the latest in
the series of John Wick movies. Keanu Reeves is in
this one, even though John Wick is technically dead. So
if you are like if you like Wes Anderson, you
need help. But if you like Wes Anderson, he has
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a Phoenician scheme also comes out in the sixth I
saw that. You can imagine when I thought, yeah, go further,
yeah yeah yeah, but doing for it for kids, you
have how to train your dragon. There's a ve Action remake.
I don't know why of How to Train Your Dragon coming?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Can you stop for a minute. Why did they do it?
They did it with Lion King and I love Fabreau.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
It doesn't We're doing it with and Stitch right now.
They let on Stitch is a number of movie beat
Tom Cruise. It's almost shot for shot eighty five percent
of the cartoon.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I don't get it. I mean, it's a money grab.
I get it. You know they already know it's money.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
It's money.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah, But I mean I just leave it alone, all
right anyway? Sorry, go ahead?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
So I mean, yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent.
Even when I like the movie. I mentioned in my review,
this is a money like, why does this movie even exist?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So?
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I haven't seen How to Train Your Dragon, so I
can't speak to that. I've seen the cartoon, which I like.
For horror folks, there's a twenty eight Years Later, which
is the sequel to twenty eight Days Late twenty eight
weeks later, and then the sequel to twenty eight Days
Later zombie movie going forward later. For dads, there's the
Formula one movie with a bad Pitt that comes out
(32:13):
on June twenty seven. It's twelve f one. Also in
June twenty seventh movie I'm looking forward to Megan two
point zero because you know how much I love the
original Megan. The Killer Twerking Robot. Spike Lee's movie Highest
to Lowest, which is my most anticipated movie of the summer,
comes out on a twenty second. It's his we he
(32:34):
and Denzel Washington routine for the first time in almost
twenty years.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
The last movie they did together was Inside.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Manat that's the great movie. I love that.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I love Inside Man.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I love Inside Clive Owens is awesome.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Washington is great, but I mean, you know, Clive Owen
is great in that. For the fourth of July, we
have another Jurassic Park movie. This one's got Scar Joe.
It's Scarduni versus T.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I never got into him. I just stay don't. I
can't get into him.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
After the first two they just went to hell. Oh
before I forget because this is the Boston time. There's
a happy gil More too. What have you heard coming
out on July twenty fifth. I don't know if it's
it's one of the few Adam Salmer movies that kind
of enjoyed, but Carl Weathers and Bob Barker, who were
the best things in the first movie. They're both deceased,
(33:27):
so we'll have to see how it goes.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
It took a while. They wanted him to make that
for a long.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Time, so we'll Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't make it sooner.
And considering he has a big deal with Netflix, they
can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Right right. His movies do great on Netflix.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
I mean and one one other. Yeah, his movies do
greater Netflix. And I know why bad A one one
move there to remake again of The Naked Gun, which
has been getting a lot of press. It's Liam Neeson
taking over the world because Leslie Nielsen is no longer
with us. I saw the trailer and I am very
(34:03):
worried about this one.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But you know what you should you should be But
I will say this, I if anybody could pull it off,
it's him because I've heard him in interviews and he's
very self deprecating. You know, he can be very funny,
like he'll even go along with a bit like so
I heard an interview where they asked him to do that,
(34:25):
you know, the what's the franchise he's done where his
daughter Bacon. Yeah, taken like taken eight or nine or ten.
But you know he does that thing like I'm gonna
find you and I'm going to kill you, and I've
heard him do parodies of himself with it, and he's
really funny.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
I have a very speticular set of skills, right, that's it.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Yes, yes, well you know the casting. I mentioned this
to people about Airplane. How how Airplane played differently for
me in nineteen eighty in the place for younger people now,
because in nineteen eighty Leslie Nilson wasn't Leslie Wilson. He
was a dramatic actor, right, And everybody in air playing
it was dramatic act just making fools in themselves. That's
why it was so funny. So I'm willing to conceive
that the casting of Liam Neeson is an idea in
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the same vein as that. But the trailer looks very
mean spirited and it's second fall and red flares are
flying all over the place. But again I was there judgments,
so I see it. The one last movie there is
a great, great movie called Sorry Baby Beat Up on
July eighteenth. It's a dramedy. Even Victor she wrote and directed,
(35:29):
and she stars in it. It is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Oh okay, well I got to check that out.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
What about Mission Impossible? Did you write about that?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I did?
Speaker 6 (35:37):
And here's the funny thing. I like the last one
better than this one because this is technically part two
of the last one, and it's three hours long, and
it's you really start to feel it. The first hour
is pretty star. I mean I gave the three stars
out of four. The last one I gave three and
a half. It's a little bit too self serious, but
once the stunts happen to start happening, the movie really
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takes off.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
He's yeah, you could see what you want about cruise,
but the stunt, I mean, he's just insane.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
I got a give him credit. He's marketed himself very
very well. I think he's a better actor than people
give him credit for. But he doesn't have to act anymore.
He can just do these movies where he's stumping around
and jumping out of planes and you know, opened up
submarine doors. So yeah, the last hour and a half
of the movie is absolutely fantastic, but you got to
dig through the first hour of it and it's kind
(36:26):
of like, oh, God, let me fast forward this. I
liked it.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
I thought Cruise was great. I'm born on the fourth
of July, and I also think was it less Grossman
in Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Yeah, he's funny in that. I love him. And Jerry
Maguire's great in Magnolia movie I despise. I think he's
good in One and the fol for July, another movie
that I can't stand. I think he's a better actor
than a given credit for. But like that Willis and
Stallone and all these other folks, they don't have to
act anymore. They he just show up and be Tom Cruise, right.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Right, He is a better actor than people give him
credit for. I agree with you. And before we will
look at a couple of minutes.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
I'm glad you brought up Tom Hitdelson, huge fan Night
Clerk's a great series.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I mean he's I know, he's part of the Marvel
universe and so forth, but I mean, the dudes, he's
the real deal. I mean, he is, no doubt the
real deal. Odie, it's always great to talk to you, man.
We appreciate you coming on. Read him in the Boston Globe,
Odie Henderson, he loves movies. I love movies. That's why
we have him on. And if you love Jack Lemon,
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google it. Read his article on Jack Lemon.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It's terrific. Odie, take care, Boddy. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, all right, take care.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's great to have film critics, you know people.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's you know, you gotta read him, you got to
follow him.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
It's not like he used to be, you know, we
had like the there's so much going on and there's
so much content, there's so many things to read. But
you want to follow him. You want to catch him
in the Boston Globe and read what he has to say.
So anyways, coming up in the next hour, is this
title town anymore? Jackson Tolliver's going to join us. He
(38:12):
has a lot of great tics. NBA Celtics. Who's gonna
be a rough year next year at the Patriots? Vrabel
will order be returned in Foxborough? By the way, I
gotta say, I took my daughter to the lacrosse Championships
at Foxboro. Congratulations Danny Kraft, the Craft family. You guys
(38:33):
do a great job. Congratulations to Harvard for hosting and
also Matt Dooley, the Pride of Lincoln Sudbury, who was
on the Cornell team starting defenseman that won the national championship,
is going to join us tomorrow night right here on
WBZ Life is a collegiate athlete and parents. I want
you to listen to that segment that's coming tomorrow night
(38:55):
at nine thirty. By congratulations to all the teams that
participated Tofts. Great job the Crafts. Thank you for hosting
and lacrosse tournaments at Julettus past weekend. It was fabulous sports.
Coming up next with Jackson Tolliver
It's night side with Dan Ray w bsy. He constant's
me radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Mister Kirkby. I don't like to complain, but you were
supposed to be out of here by eight. I know,
buddy boy, I know, but those things don't always run
on schedule, like a greyhound bus.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, I don't mind in the summer. It's on a
rainy night. I haven't had any dinner yet.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
When we were on Rio Rancho, who was the top man?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Half of what old?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Two months? Three months?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
How about eight months? For three years in a row?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I know what bluck?
Speaker 6 (00:27):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
John or Purloin?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Please?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It was talent?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, door to door. It's called cold calling. John.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'll let me see if you can find out where
that gun animal is coming from.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Wherever it's coming from, we got to get rid of it.
Look at this did.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh hey, Bernie yo open fourteen and fifteen. You can't
do that, Jack open and Bernie, Jack, you can't do
what the book says you can't do.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We're almost up to the steam lines.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, I got this. My ears are filling up. I
got this sinus conditions, changing temperature I was getting from
their conditioning. Maybe no, no, It's all part of my allergies.
I get him in the summers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I listen to me. You put me on my board,
and I want three promising leads for the day. And
I don't want any book about him, and I want
them close together because I am going to close them all.
And that's all I have to say to you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
The amazing Jack Lemon. Amazing. Now.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I know we're changing gears big time because we've gone
from a family feud with the demolers to murder on
the high seas to courtroom drama, and now we're going
to have some fun. And joining me right now is
Odie Henderson for the Boston Globe.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Odie W.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Jack Lemon died in two thousand and one, and I
should say it back up six days ago, Odie wrote
this article appreciating Jack Lemon, who would have been one
hundred years old. I loved it. I was like a kid.
I was like, I couldn't believe it. And I need
to ask you, Odi, how old were you in two
thousand and one when.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
He passed away?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Oh? God, thirty one?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Okay? Really? Oh okay? You know you look much luck,
you look much younger. Online.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I will tell you that I thought, I thought you
were a kid when he passed away. But I just
appreciated how you appreciated him. And we're going to talk
about his career. And quite frankly, I think for the
casual movie guar, I think he's underappreciated. But what made
you want to write that article.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Well, they're doing a retrospective New York Stone Forum on
Jack Lemon and the Doctor. I only liked my favorite director,
Billy Wilder, used plenty of and when they were doing
a retrospective, i'd look to see if anything in Boston.
At the time, they had not been. I pitched the
paper and I was looking him up. I had no
(02:54):
idea he was born in Newton. That was kind of
my angle. You know, he's about him. So we did
this article. I he made a hundred movies, he made
a hundred he acted in a hundred roles. I can't
say he did one hundred movies because accounting, television and
things like that, but on and on the big screen
(03:14):
he had done a hundred roles. Last one, unfortunately, was
a legend of bag of ant. But he had a
lot of work, and so I wanted to write about him.
My mom liked an after very much. So when I
was a kid, he would Tom on TV. She would
tell me who he was. And in fact, the reason
(03:35):
why I saw Buddy Buddy in the movie Theater was
because my mom liked Jack Lemon and Valtamathow and they're
in that. That's the last movie that Billy Wilder made,
and that's the last movie that they were in that
he made for them in Terrible. And it's funny that
Billy Wilder is my favorite director and the first movie
I saw Buddy Buddy, so apparently I've forgiven him. Buddy
Buddy is terrible.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Okay, we have We're going to get another connection with you,
Rob Let's take a break right now, a few minutes early.
Then we're gonna get a better phone connection with Odie's.
We talk about the life of Jack Lemon coming up
next to WBZ.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It's Night Side with.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
All right, we get a clear line now. Odie Anderson
film credit for the Boston Globe. He was joining us
and he wrote a terrific piece on Jack Lemon celebrating
his birthday.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I thought it was great.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
So why do you think Billy Wilder and Jack Lemon
hit it? Off and did so well together as as partners.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Honestly, I don't know. I think maybe he saw something
in Jack Lemon and he was able to write for him.
You know, he Il Diamond will something like a hot
and the Apartment, among other things, and maybe he saw something.
And I know that pim perrying baltim Math out with
him was a stroke a genius.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Because and I do want to get to Mathew in
a minute, but I want to talk about the Apartment.
It is a it's it's the perfect movie. It's a
perfect movie. And Shirley mcl I mean, and Fred McMurray,
I mean, come on, mister, my three Sons, the dad
from My Sons plays the jackass who has the mistress
and the whole bit. And it's a phenomenal movie. And
(05:13):
mcclean's great in it too. They're both phenomenal in it.
It's it's the perfect script. It's the perfect movie.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Well, I think this is Chula mclin's finest hour. You know,
she lost to a trichyat Andy famously the Oscar, that
is to Liz Taylor, who was in Butterfield Date, a
movie that Liz Taylor absolutely hates but Liz Taylor was
ill and the Academy assumed she was going to kill
over sty gear for the Oscar. Yeah, but but Cherley
mcsaying that that's her finest hour on the screen, and
(05:40):
The Apartment is a fantastic movie. And the funny thing
is I knew for Big Murray for my Three Sons
because obviously he was on the repeats when I was
a kid, and so when I saw Double Indemnity, it
was a shock. I saw doublin Demity probably before I
saw The Apartment, and he's a heel, and it was
just I saw him in Flubber right and my Three Sons.
(06:04):
This is a Nick Murray Wilder. He always used him
for evil purposes, the way he used William Holden as
a cat in Stall of seventeen and Sunset Boulevard. So
it's interesting what what Wilder would get from his actors,
you know what roles he put them in.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Do you think that Jack Lemon was Tom Hanks before
Tom Hanks?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Noah, I was joking to say that that Tom Hanks
was our dar. Jimmy's to my generation is Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That's a good point.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Because like Tom Hanks is, he's just a damn likable
And I would probably say, because I'm a I'm a
big Hanks fan, I would probably say Lemon, he's I
would say he's a better actor than Hanks because Lemon
could also pull off.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The serious roles, which was really hard to do.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And the China Syndrome, for example, Yeah, you know where
all of a sudden he goes from playing this innocent
sort of buffoon in the apartment, or you know, he's
playing Felix in the odd couple opposite Mathow or grumpy
old man, and then you go to the China Syndrome,
(07:15):
and that dude brings it. I think it's well, I'm
not gonna say it's I'm not gonna say it's his
greatest performance for me, but I could see why others
would say.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
That, oh, well, he got the awarded can for that
and for missing And I mentioned in my article that
my parents took me to see that to drive him
that's all asleep. So I technically have never seen in
China Syndrome in its entirety. So I said I would
put it in the paper so you guys could guilt
me into watching it. But Even before he did that,
he was in Days of Wine and Roses. He won
the Oscar for Save the Tiger. I think he's he
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can play a heel far better than Tom Hanks can.
You can buy Jack Lemon as a heel despite all
delightable performances he's given, whereas Tom Hanks is always difficult
to buy him as the bad guy.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Do you know how how did he go from Newton,
Massachusetts all of a sudden to the success that he had.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I know, he went to Harvard and then he was
in the Navy, and then he got out and he
decided to act on stage. And I think his first
movie was nineteen forty nine, and he started working there
and then he was he went the Oscar for mister Roberts.
He was on stage before, Yeah, mister Roberts. I saw
that at So and Farm. I'd never seen it on
the big screen. It's this huge, beautiful CinemaScope movie and
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I'd only seen it on VHS or on television when
I was a kid, and it just looked gorgeous. And
you know, there's a whole backstory to all the crazy
stuff that was going on on the set of mister Roberts.
But Lemon's great. He's the comedy release and he's really
broad in that movie. And then you look at something
like Missing and you can see the scope of his acting,
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you know, something that is like he's bottled up in
that film, or something like Glengary Glen Ross faced Lley
Machine Levine where he's just this desperate character and not
like him at all.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
When you say there's some backstory there with mister Roberts, okay, anything,
any t you can spell as the kids would.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Say, oh oh yeah, I mean you know, John Ford
got fired and discredited to John Ford and Brevon Leroy
he picked up after he got fired. Ford hated Kimmy Fond,
but he slugged him on the ship. I think I
may have been the beginning of the end for John
Ford directing that movie. So there's a lot of crazy
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stuff going on. That was some of the more famous things.
Ford being fired, him punching Kenny Fond in the face,
knocking him out back in.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The good old days of Hollywood.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Right, But with Lemon, because I've seen interviews with Lemon
and there was the same thing with Fonda.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
While they would play.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Certain in certain situations, I mean Fonda obviously in on
Golden Pond that was a different, different character, but they
would play the every man, They would play likable characters.
There was definitely a sadness in Lemon's life. I would
see that in interviews.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, I suppose so, And I think, you know, you
can channel that into especially in comedy. They always say
people that are the funniest people off the off screen
have a lot of suffering, a lot of tragedy, you know,
And I kind of believe that. I think you'd be
really funny like Richard Pryor is a perfect example of that.
You have to really channel your pain into your performances,
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to your humor. And perhaps that was the case of
that woman. And when I was that phone for him,
his kid Chris was there, and his daughter, and his
grands and grandchildren were there, I mean some of his
family or actors still, they were all there to introduce
the some like a ho which is great on the
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big screen. They played with the packed audience. It was fantastic.
One of the funniest movies ever made.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
The thing about Lemon is he was also a recovering alcoholic,
which he announced on the Actors Studio and that that
had that was like wait a minute, well what and
he had battled that and the other the other thing
that he I can't remember who said this, but before
every scene, before before the act, when they would say action,
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he would whisper magic time.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That was his thing.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
I don't know, I heard. I heard that. I heard
that as well. I believe that.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, I totally do.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yeah, like magic time, that's what kicked him in. You
know where there's something that an actor does that sends
him into that reality or that false reality, and that's
that's what would work for.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Him for Lemon.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yeah, magic time, Yeah, I heard that magic time.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Okay, So from the China Syndrome, the glen Garry Glenn
Ross is Shelley.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I want to what we can do? Can we play this?
Can we play this? Rob? Can we play cut number six?
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Hopefully it's censored?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Rob?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Can we play cut number six from Glengarry Glen Ross.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When we were on Rio Rancho who was the top
man half of what oh.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Two months, three months? How about eight months for three.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Years in a row?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Huh?
Speaker 6 (12:17):
And what luck was that?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
John or Purloin leads it was talent.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, door to door It's called cold calling John.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I don't even know their name.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They don't want to buy what I've got, soft cells.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
We were doing it before we even had a name
for it. Am I right?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Are you right?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You wouldn't know you?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
He doesn't even know what our streak is.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
What the hell are you?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
There?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Are?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Are Secretary Few?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, that's my message, So you few.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And kiss my ass. And if you don't like that, baby,
I go across the street and I speak to Jerry Grant.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Period.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You now listen to me. You put me on my
board and I want three promising leads for the day,
and I don't want any book about him, and I
want them close to get there. He goes, I am
going to close them all. And that's all I have
to say to you.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I love the scene where Alec Baldwin comes in, which wasn't.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
In the original play.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
It was not.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
That is correct, that You're absolutely right it was in
the film.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
And Baldwin comes in.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You know you see this, Watch this, watch Cush more
than the car and then Shelley's over trying to get
a cup of coffee, and then it's Baldwin's scene. Obviously, yes,
but the way Lemon just turns around. Is it's just
it's it's so, it's tremendous. Put that coffee down. What
(13:40):
are you talking about? Coffee is for closes on?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, just he's.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Just tremendous in this in this film. And then al
Pacino played that on Broadway, played Shelley on Broadway. I
can't imagine Odie anybody else playing Shelley but Jack Lemon.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Bob Odenkirk, who is produced the booking Candle the other
day and also introduced grin Glaragan Ross a couple of
days ago. The phone for him is playing, so he
living on Broadway currently in glen Garigan Ross. And he
talked about how he had to force himself not to
mimic Jack Lemon's cadence in his performance, especially in the
first speech that he has in play. And he talked
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about how he had to basically keep correcting himself because
he was constantly tapping into Jack Lemon's performance. How great
Jack Lemen's performance is in that movie. I think he's
the best performance in the Glenglorygan Ross movie. So it
was interesting too that you mentioned Matt.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Yeah, I mean, how can you not how can you
you know? I mean how can you not try to
be Jack Lemon? Because the great thing about the Glengarry
Glenn Ross performance, I remember he's in he's in the rain,
and he's on the phone in the rain, and I
believe his daughter needs an operation or needs surgery, and
he is up against it and he is just ruggling
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trying just I mean, you know, trying to get these
leads of selling condos in Flora or whatever. Just these despicable,
just just the worst. And you don't know. And this
is the magic of a great actor. When the character's gray,
you don't know whether to feel sorry for him or
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be irritated by him.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Absolutely, And I can never buy Paccino in that part.
And I don't think it's good Ken and they cast
them right as as with your roll mind the movie,
I don't buy him as a showy ravine at all.
I haven't seen the performance, but just thinking about it,
it just wouldn't work.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Have you seen the current Broadway produce. I don't even
know if it's still running with Glengarry.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Have you seen it?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Because I have it's it's I liked it. I liked it.
I think it's probably it's not as good as the movie. That.
I think Odenkirk is very goodn't it. You know, it's
on its al and him, and then it's it's hard
to shake the movie out of your memory. So when
you're watching and I didn't see to play initially, you know,
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so I by my first encounter with Gungary and Ross
was the movie.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, I mean, just the man. I think it's I
think it's ma'am. It's best work quite frankly. I mean
it's just somebody say American Buffalo, but like it's just unbelievable.
And the cast, my guy Kevin Spacey, well he's had
his own issues, but I mean Kevin Spacey's like a
supported character in that thing. And the cast is just
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I heard Bill Burr, Massachusetts own Bill Burr does pretty
well is pretty well there too.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Yes, you know it's being Kevin Spacey has that that
lineout dat women says you know why, and he has
because I don't like you, right.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
It's it's it's awesome. Culkin got panned, though I was Culkin.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
He wasn't terrible. I mean, he wasn't terrible. I again,
I wonder if he was the right choice.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
He's not terrible, well probably not, but he's riding high.
You know, I I didn't think he deserved the oscar. Myself,
I would have gone other ways.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I would he deserved it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But yeah, we disagreed on that. You loved that.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, we disagreed.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Ye, Yeah, we disagreed. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I love the guy Pierce and this also, he hasn't
done a lot of stage work from what I understand.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Culkin, No, I don't think he has no. And you
can tell. You can tell who's the you know, the
expert on stage and who's the newbie. You're not necessarily
the mowbe, but the best experienced. If you're up against
that kind of someone like Bob wooden Kirk for example,
you know, not that they're you know, beating each other
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up on the stage, but you can usually tell, you know,
they haven't gotten the cowboys out. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Well, you know the I mean after I played Lieutenant
Shrank and West Side Story in the Portsmouth Academy of
Performing Arts presentation of the you know, I know the
stage that was a joke. Okay, No, I did play it.
You don't want to hear my own theater? Yeah, I'll
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tell your theory story. We put on a play in
a motel. It was called Motel six. You know why
because it was off of exit six off the Spaulding Turnpike.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Hence because Motel six the chain it was actually.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
No, it was maybe maybe it was a different number,
but no, it was the number of the exit off
the turnpike. We rented the ballroom, we rented the stage,
and we put on a show. My friend, that's all
I can tell you. That's how much we wanted to
do it, and friends and family came. I don't know
if we were any good, but we had a really
good time. All Right, we still have more I want
to talk about. I want to talk about lemon of
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math out and then Alway's going to tell us what's
hot coming out and what we should be looking four.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
As we continue on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
What's the matter now, No, I got this. My ears
are filling up. I got this sinus condition. It's the
change in temperature I was getting from your conditioning. Maybe
you don't know, Way, No, it's all part of my allergies.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I get him in the summer, only in the summer.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Man in the winter too. I get them all year long,
allergic to foods and pillows and curtains and perfumes. Can
you imagine that? Allergic to perfumes? I used to drive
Francis crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Jack Levin the odd couple with the Greg Walter mattho
Odie Henderson Jordan, guess you're talking about the career of
Jack Lemon, born in Newton, Massachusetts in nineteen twenty five.
Is there a better combo than those two?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You know, baby wille would already a earlier error.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Their magic.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And when I look at the casting for that, because
when I've talked to casting directors many times they'll say
what directors film directors will say, The key isn't in
the directing of the film. The key is in the
casting of the film. And that is the perfectly cash movie.
Now do we know what Jack Lemon was really like?
(20:27):
As I mentioned, I think there was some sadness. Who
was an alcoholic. He battled alcoholism. He wasn't Felix under
I don't think off the screen and Math I'm sure
had his issues, but their personas you would think, they
just fit that role perfectly. And I liked Klugman and Randall,
(20:49):
but those two just fit that role perfectly, like casting.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Was on The Money.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Well, you know, I got introduced to a couple from
the TV show, which is still wrong when I was
a kid. You know, I mentioned this in a many times.
My mother loves Neil Simon. I can't stand him, uh
and the Odd Couple is one of the few things
of his I can actually tolerate. And so I didn't
see The Odd Couple until many, many years that I
knew that Baltim math All and Jack Women were in it.
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I think the first thing I saw on the Men
was probably the front page, but the Fortune Cooking, which
is where Mathew got his oscar. It was the first
pairing of Wilder of Jack Women and WALTI math All
in any movie. This was Billy Wilder's film. This is
a couple of years before The Odd Couple. But you
can't you can't really think of as much as I
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love Jack Clubman, and when I saw WALTI. Mathow, it's
kind of a perfect It's almost like there are roles
that were killer made for him, and that's one of them.
The Bad News Bears another one that taken the problem
one to three is another one great also quite versatile
comic and dramatic actor like his partner Jack Women. But yeah,
they made so many movies together. Someone were pretty bad,
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but the commissary between them was always unmistakable. I mean,
you could say the movie was bad, but you could
never say that they didn't work well together in that movie,
in any of their movies.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Do you think Mathow had ranged?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (22:11):
I do absolutely. It's und of like Charlie Varreck and
look at you know, him being the villain like Charade
or something like later on when he's doing a much
broader kind of comedy. Yeah, I think he had considerable range.
He just you always think of him as kind of
the grumpy old New York commergion, you know, And that's
kind of a lot of what is persona. And it's
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just like how Jack Lemon is kind of fussiest persona.
But that's not necessarily all they could do. I mean again,
Charlie Varreck is probably the best example I can think
of besides taking a toll of one ty three, but
is a different Mathow but still Walter math Ow.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, I need to get into that more because I
haven't seen enough of it the way I have with Lemon.
So I wouldn't know, but and forgive me if this is.
And now you've questioned, why do you like Billy Wilder
but not Neil Simon.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
I think Billy Wilder's meaner for starters, He's more cynical.
He's more of my type of humor, although he's made
some pretty bad movies as well as some brilliant ones. Also,
he made the quintessential noir. You know, Noir is my
favorite genre of movie, so you know, I could it's
only ever made. It was Double Indemnity, you know, and
then Sounds at Boulevard, which is my second favorite movie
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of all time. You know, he would be my favorite
director in Hitchcock would be number two. But I just
seem to like the asterbic nature of a lot of
his films. And he always thought of himself as a
writer first and less of himself as a director, you know,
all throughout his entire career, he always thought he was
a better writer than director, which I always found interesting.
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But no, I mean I grew to love Billy Walder.
This kind of what I would expect to get from
his films. There was always humor, and there's always great, great,
great dialogue, you know, I'm a writer too, so you know,
when the screenplay is great or whatever, the screenplay or
something in that draws your attention, that brings you to it.
I think he does a great job directing his movies,
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even the bad ones.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
So what didn't you What don't you like about Simon?
Speaker 6 (24:13):
I don't think it's funny and I had to deal
with things that California Sweet and when I was a kid,
my mom and a Goodbye Girl, which I actually did
like it, just his human that doesn't do it for me.
It never really did. I just don't think it's funny.
I think it's very repetitive in terms of the type
of humor. Now, my mother's gonna come beat me up
(24:34):
because I'm speaking ill of Neil Simon.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
You got mommy issues there, kid, you got mommy issues? Uh,
California Sweet. I was never a fan of either. The
Goodbye Girl I thought was great, but I never I
thought that more. I maybe I'm wrong. It's been so
long since I've seen it. I thought that was more
of a drama edy. The Goodbye Girl.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It's I mean, no Richard Dryfers is running around mint
scene and doing Richard the Third as a flaming homosexual.
That's not drama.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, I don't. I remember. I remember that.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I think that's the first time I saw Dryfors in
a movie, and I remember really wasn't Jaws. No, you
know something, I am going to tell you. I'm going
to admit something to you. I've never seen Jaws.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Well you got an opportunity because they're going to be
doing it at Mark's Ring and I've been trying to
get out there that actually cover this thing. I just
saw it at TCM Film Festival. They ran a beautiful
ivy technicolor prints from the BSI it looked better than
it did in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I just you know, there's there's two movies. I love movies.
There's two movies that I haven't seen. I have no
interest in seeing Jaws.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I don't know why.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
I think.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I don't you know, maybe it's horror. No, I just
look at the Shark and I go, eh, I'm not
It's come on, man, it's like twenty twenty five The Shark.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Three times you see the Shark. The Shark was take
in nineteen seventy five, so you can't make that excuse.
But you only see the sh I'm pretty sure three
or four times. The first time you see him is great.
I mean that that scene is classic iconic. We're gonna
need a bigger boat, I mean fake or not. That
that scene is effective.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
What's the music? I mean, there's music.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
When the shark shows up the first time music. Now
it is completely silent because it's a jump scare, so uh,
we're shier. Brodie is down with a shoveling schumb into
the water and he's complaining the Dreyfist and the show
and say, why don't you come down and shovel some
of this expert is And then immediately the shark pops up.
(26:38):
There's no music, and then the shider backs up into
the boat, and then he says to we're a sure
we're going to need a bigger boat.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That's a great line. I mean, I just all right, all.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Right, watch I'll watched the China send if you watch.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yours, that's a deal.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Because the fact that you haven't seen the China syndrome,
I mean that's blasphemy.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Well I saw enough of it. I fell asleep not
see anything.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Well, I mean, well, okay, you don't have to watch
as much. The other one I said, and I've told
you this before. I tell people I've sat down to
start to watch Shindler's List one hundred times and I I.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Can't do that.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
You've got a Spielberg sing here.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
But you know that's a good point. I mean, I
love Yeah, I love Spielberg.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
But I just like when I those are two and
when people say, you know, I love movies, I haven't
seen those two, I go, yeah, I know it's a little.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Embarrassing I can see, but Jaws is a surprise.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, I gotta do it. I gotta do it. I
want to Now. I want to ask you about Grumpy
Old Men. Where you are fa.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Grumpy Old Men? I did. I liked it. I enjoyed that.
I like to see also Grumpy Old Man. I didn't
like the sequel that is, but Grumpy Old Man I liked.
I like, I'll just see that. I think is that
the last one they did together. I'm not sure they
did a sequel to the Couple, which is god awful.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
I bet it is.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Yeah, I think that was the last movie that they
made together, not the rest thing they made a period,
the last thing they know. Actually it is no, it
is the Couple I'm looking it up here. The odd
Couple two is after out to see a year after
Our Couple two is a ninety eight Well.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Grumpy Old Man two was a money grab. I mean, yes,
that's a money grab. That's for the kids. That's definitely
not for the kids. Hey, do you know what a
movie I love the Matthewen was Hopscotch.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
How Scotch is good? Hol Scotch with Glenn Grenda Jackson.
He did a couple of movies that are right. And
then you know, the women directed math Al in a
movie called Cotch.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
It's like nineteen seventy two. I think they may be
the only movie jack women directed.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Did they hang out on that? Did they socialize?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I can imagine that they've had to. I mean they
were in so many movies. But then again, like they said,
you know, you thought Geene Wald and Richard Pryo so
slabs little time and he didn't, and they made those
four movies together. I can't I can't imagine that math
Allen Lemon didn't hang out together. Yeah, this chemistry is
just too much for them. Like if they hated each other,
it'd be a big.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, that's definitely not true.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
But sometimes you know, you work on so many movies together,
that's enough, and then they kind of like, go do
go do their own separate thing.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Can you hang around it?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Can you hang around and tell us what's big coming up?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Okay, Great Odie Henderson is with us from the Globe
Film Critic. He's gonna tell us what we should look
out for coming up next to w b Z.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wb Z
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Talking to some movies.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Here Odie Henderson, Boston Globe Film Critic talking about the
Great Jack Lemon. Uh and again it's you can catch
it on the Globe dot Com. Odie wrote a great
appreciation piece on Lemon came out about six days ago,
so just google ittle pop up out there.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
So what do we have to look forward to on
the screen here, Odie.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Well, it's summer, and summer is full of remakes and
sequels and all of that stuff. And this week you
have Karate Kid Legends. If you are wishing to live
we live your eighties era adolescens. I saw it, I
didn't like it, But next week June sixth, one of
the best movies of the year, and it would have
been my best movie of last year had come out.
(30:20):
Has Life of Chuck opens on June sixth, and I've
been this Life of Chuck evangelist for a little while.
Now it's a great movie. I finally get to run
my review that I wrote back in October for that.
It's a Stephen King aditation. It is not a horror movie,
and it's just fantastic, life affirming, beautiful little move if
Mark Hampbell is in it and Tom Hilliston in a
(30:43):
bunch of red folks in it, and I can't tell
you anything about the movies, and I want to spoiler
for it's also on the sixth if you're a John
Wick fan, you can see Ballerina. It's the latest in
the series of John Wick movies. Keanu Reeves is in
this one, even though John Wick is technically dead. So
if you are like if you like Wes Anderson, you
need help. But if you like Wes Anderson, he has
(31:05):
a Phoenician scheme also comes out in the sixth I
saw that. You can imagine when I thought, yeah, go further,
yeah yeah yeah, but doing for it for kids, you
have how to train your dragon. There's a ve Action remake.
I don't know why of How to Train Your Dragon coming?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Can you stop for a minute. Why did they do it?
They did it with Lion King and I love Fabreau.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
It doesn't We're doing it with and Stitch right now.
They let on Stitch is a number of movie beat
Tom Cruise. It's almost shot for shot eighty five percent
of the cartoon.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I don't get it. I mean, it's a money grab.
I get it. You know they already know it's money.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
It's money.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah, But I mean I just leave it alone, all
right anyway? Sorry, go ahead?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
So I mean, yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent.
Even when I like the movie. I mentioned in my review,
this is a money like, why does this movie even exist?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So?
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I haven't seen How to Train Your Dragon, so I
can't speak to that. I've seen the cartoon, which I like.
For horror folks, there's a twenty eight Years Later, which
is the sequel to twenty eight Days Late twenty eight
weeks later, and then the sequel to twenty eight Days
Later zombie movie going forward later. For dads, there's the
Formula one movie with a bad Pitt that comes out
(32:13):
on June twenty seven. It's twelve f one. Also in
June twenty seventh movie I'm looking forward to Megan two
point zero because you know how much I love the
original Megan. The Killer Twerking Robot. Spike Lee's movie Highest
to Lowest, which is my most anticipated movie of the summer,
comes out on a twenty second. It's his we he
(32:34):
and Denzel Washington routine for the first time in almost
twenty years.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
The last movie they did together was Inside.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Manat that's the great movie. I love that.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I love Inside Man.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I love Inside Clive Owens is awesome.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Washington is great, but I mean, you know, Clive Owen
is great in that. For the fourth of July, we
have another Jurassic Park movie. This one's got Scar Joe.
It's Scarduni versus T.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I never got into him. I just stay don't. I
can't get into him.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
After the first two they just went to hell. Oh
before I forget because this is the Boston time. There's
a happy gil More too. What have you heard coming
out on July twenty fifth. I don't know if it's
it's one of the few Adam Salmer movies that kind
of enjoyed, but Carl Weathers and Bob Barker, who were
the best things in the first movie. They're both deceased,
(33:27):
so we'll have to see how it goes.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
It took a while. They wanted him to make that
for a long.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Time, so we'll Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't make it sooner.
And considering he has a big deal with Netflix, they
can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Right right. His movies do great on Netflix.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
I mean and one one other. Yeah, his movies do
greater Netflix. And I know why bad A one one
move there to remake again of The Naked Gun, which
has been getting a lot of press. It's Liam Neeson
taking over the world because Leslie Nielsen is no longer
with us. I saw the trailer and I am very
(34:03):
worried about this one.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But you know what you should you should be But
I will say this, I if anybody could pull it off,
it's him because I've heard him in interviews and he's
very self deprecating. You know, he can be very funny,
like he'll even go along with a bit like so
I heard an interview where they asked him to do that,
(34:25):
you know, the what's the franchise he's done where his
daughter Bacon. Yeah, taken like taken eight or nine or ten.
But you know he does that thing like I'm gonna
find you and I'm going to kill you, and I've
heard him do parodies of himself with it, and he's
really funny.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
I have a very speticular set of skills, right, that's it.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Yes, yes, well you know the casting. I mentioned this
to people about Airplane. How how Airplane played differently for
me in nineteen eighty in the place for younger people now,
because in nineteen eighty Leslie Nilson wasn't Leslie Wilson. He
was a dramatic actor, right, And everybody in air playing
it was dramatic act just making fools in themselves. That's
why it was so funny. So I'm willing to conceive
that the casting of Liam Neeson is an idea in
(35:08):
the same vein as that. But the trailer looks very
mean spirited and it's second fall and red flares are
flying all over the place. But again I was there judgments,
so I see it. The one last movie there is
a great, great movie called Sorry Baby Beat Up on
July eighteenth. It's a dramedy. Even Victor she wrote and directed,
(35:29):
and she stars in it. It is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Oh okay, well I got to check that out.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
What about Mission Impossible? Did you write about that?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I did?
Speaker 6 (35:37):
And here's the funny thing. I like the last one
better than this one because this is technically part two
of the last one, and it's three hours long, and
it's you really start to feel it. The first hour
is pretty star. I mean I gave the three stars
out of four. The last one I gave three and
a half. It's a little bit too self serious, but
once the stunts happen to start happening, the movie really
(35:59):
takes off.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
He's yeah, you could see what you want about cruise,
but the stunt, I mean, he's just insane.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
I got a give him credit. He's marketed himself very
very well. I think he's a better actor than people
give him credit for. But he doesn't have to act anymore.
He can just do these movies where he's stumping around
and jumping out of planes and you know, opened up
submarine doors. So yeah, the last hour and a half
of the movie is absolutely fantastic, but you got to
dig through the first hour of it and it's kind
(36:26):
of like, oh, God, let me fast forward this. I
liked it.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
I thought Cruise was great. I'm born on the fourth
of July, and I also think was it less Grossman
in Tropic Thunder.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Yeah, he's funny in that. I love him. And Jerry
Maguire's great in Magnolia movie I despise. I think he's
good in One and the fol for July, another movie
that I can't stand. I think he's a better actor
than a given credit for. But like that Willis and
Stallone and all these other folks, they don't have to
act anymore. They he just show up and be Tom Cruise, right.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Right, He is a better actor than people give him
credit for. I agree with you. And before we will
look at a couple of minutes.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
I'm glad you brought up Tom Hitdelson, huge fan Night
Clerk's a great series.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I mean he's I know, he's part of the Marvel
universe and so forth, but I mean, the dudes, he's
the real deal. I mean, he is, no doubt the
real deal. Odie, it's always great to talk to you, man.
We appreciate you coming on. Read him in the Boston Globe,
Odie Henderson, he loves movies. I love movies. That's why
we have him on. And if you love Jack Lemon,
(37:35):
google it. Read his article on Jack Lemon.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It's terrific. Odie, take care, Boddy. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, all right, take care.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's great to have film critics, you know people.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's you know, you gotta read him, you got to
follow him.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
It's not like he used to be, you know, we
had like the there's so much going on and there's
so much content, there's so many things to read. But
you want to follow him. You want to catch him
in the Boston Globe and read what he has to say.
So anyways, coming up in the next hour, is this
title town anymore? Jackson Tolliver's going to join us. He
(38:12):
has a lot of great tics. NBA Celtics. Who's gonna
be a rough year next year at the Patriots? Vrabel
will order be returned in Foxborough? By the way, I
gotta say, I took my daughter to the lacrosse Championships
at Foxboro. Congratulations Danny Kraft, the Craft family. You guys
(38:33):
do a great job. Congratulations to Harvard for hosting and
also Matt Dooley, the Pride of Lincoln Sudbury, who was
on the Cornell team starting defenseman that won the national championship,
is going to join us tomorrow night right here on
WBZ Life is a collegiate athlete and parents. I want
you to listen to that segment that's coming tomorrow night
(38:55):
at nine thirty. By congratulations to all the teams that
participated Tofts. Great job the Crafts. Thank you for hosting
and lacrosse tournaments at Julettus past weekend. It was fabulous sports.
Coming up next with Jackson Tolliver
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