April 18, 2025 • 19 mins
Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a legal citizen of El Salvador but residing in Maryland, was removed from the U.S. on March 15 as part of a series of deportation flights that sent hundreds of alleged gang members to a notorious prison in El Salvador. However, Abrego Garcia’s removal was admittedly an “administrative error” by the Trump Administration. Despite the error, the Admin. claims Abrego Garcia is associated with MS-13. Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen traveled to El Salvador with hopes of releasing Abrego Garcia but was unsuccessful. We discussed the overall topic of wrongful deportations mixed with the Trump Admin's aggressive action of mass deportations.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w B
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We talked about this Burlington story and I'm going to
move on and only because we did promote that. We
want to talk about really and kind of an amazing story,
and that is that the one of the two US
senators from Maryland, Senator Chris van Holland, and there are
a lot of people who listened in Maryland, he went
to Al Salvador in an effort to free this gentleman
(00:34):
named Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia. He's been held in Al
Salvador for about a month. He was flown there along
with many of the Venzuelan members of Trente de Agua.
He allegedly is a member of MS thirteen, which is
(00:54):
a pretty rough group of people, and his family claims,
oh no, he's not a member. And again I think
the Trump administration should do a better job and lay
it out on why anyone is being picked up off
the streets. You know, if there is compelling evidence, get
(01:15):
it out there. So Van Holland went, and there was
there was a brutal murder in Maryland. Ironically that also
involved someone who is here illegally. The fellow in El
Salvador had nothing to do with that murder. And there
(01:35):
was a mom, Rachel Moren, brutally murdered by another illegal
immigrant from El Salvador, unrelated, unrelated, but because of the
fact that it's the same state Ms Moran's, it was
I think was a mom of five kids and she
(01:57):
was murdered in twenty twenty three. A separate individual has
been convicted for her murder. And as a matter of fact,
her mother was at the White House the other day
and she's very upset that the Senator did not express
as much concern about her daughter's murder. And in this
article that I have in front of me about what
(02:25):
this is, an article actually published today about Christopher Holland's
trip to L Salvador. Mister van Holland acknowledged miss Moran's
tragic death and reaffirmed his commitment to combating gang violence.
But he said but which he said was a real
point of agreement with Salvador and officials during his meetings
(02:47):
this week. But he rejected the equivalents implied by Trump
officials now quoting Van Holland. My argument here all along
is that is that he just requires due process mister
van Holland said, mister a Brago Garcia, my argument is
not that I claim to know all the facts here.
My whole argument is we have a court with the
whole purpose of having a hearing was for people to
present their evidence. We had a situation where the water
(03:12):
was overwhelmed, and we have millions of people who are
here illegally, A percentage of from are criminals. Now there
are a lot who are here who are not criminals,
but their status here. If they did not present themselves
at a port of entry, they're illegal. But the system
is just so overwhelmed it's impossible to give twenty million
(03:35):
people due process through immigration hearings. And I think what
the mistake the Trump administration is making is that they
are sweeping with a broadbrush, and if they're going to
pick people up and deport them, have the record at hand.
(03:56):
You may not be able to have a court hearing
for every one of these individuals, but have the information available.
So Vian Holland was back today, held a news conference
upon his arrival, and this is a couple of sound bites.
This is cut number five. Please rob if you play.
This is Maryland Senator Chris Finn Hall and talking about
(04:19):
being in contact with the Vice President of Al Salvador.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
In addition to doing a having a variety of discussions
on bilateral issues between the United States and Al Salvador.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I had two main goals.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
One was to urge the government of Al Salvador not
to be complicit in the illegal abduction and detention of
mister Albrego Garcia and to release them. I made that
request directly to the Vice President of Al Salvador. The
president was out of country at the time, and I
(04:56):
previously reported on that conversation. My principal mission was to
meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. I told his wife, Jennifer
and his family that I would do everything in my
power to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And apparently he went to the prison, he was denied.
This is cut number eight. And then we'll get to
some phone calls. He was in the prison, was denied, okay,
But then Garcia showed up at a hotel and I
guess Garcia has been released from the horrific prison or
the tough prison, but is still being held in El Salvador.
(05:37):
This is cut number eight.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I was accompanied by a lawyer for kill Mar's wife Jennifer,
and mother Cecilia Chris Newsom. About three kilometers outside of
Sea Cotton, we were pulled over by soldiers.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You could see the rest of the traffic was allowed
to go by.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We were pulled over by soldiers and told that.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
We were not allowed to proceed any farther.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
When I asked why, was told that they had orders
not to allow us to go any further. When I
asked them if they knew anything about the condition of
mister Abrego Garcia, they said no. And so much later
in the afternoon, it was actually getting ready to catch
(06:28):
a plane out of send Salvador back here later yesterday evening,
and all of a sudden, I got word that I
would be allowed to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and
they brought him to the hotel where I was staying.
(06:48):
And after that meeting, as I said, I called his
wife Jennifer to report on some of the news of
that meeting.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
And now I'm going to report to all of you
about our discussion.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so he found out that Garcia has been moved
to a better prison. But well, let's final SoundBite of
Senator Van Holland cut number eleven rum He.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Told me, and this was yesterday. That eight days ago,
so I guess nine days ago from today. He was
moved to another detention center in Santa Ana where the
conditions are better, but he said despite the better conditions,
he still has no access to any news from the
(07:43):
outside world and no ability to communicate with anybody in
the outside world. His conversation with me was the first
communication he'd had with anybody outside a prison since he
was abducted. He said he felt very sad about being
(08:06):
in a prison because he had not committed any crimes.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
When I asked him what was the one thing he
would ask for in addition to.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
His freedom, he said he wanted to talk to his wife.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Gentlemen, I told him I would work very hard to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Well, now that's some constituent service by Senator Vann Hall.
And I'll tell you and you know, he hasn't committed
a crime. But he came here illegally, ladies and gentlemen, okay,
came here illegally along with millions of others, and now
it is up to us to try to get the
problem solved. It's as simple as that. I would love
(08:52):
to be able to have a full two week trial
due process for every of the twenty million people here illegally. Yes,
we can't do that. I would also love to count
the number of sand, the numbers of grains of sand
on every beach in the world, and be able to
report back to you the numbers of the number of
grains of sand. We are overwhelmed. We're overwhelmed. I don't
(09:16):
know what the information is. If the information on this
guy is not substantial, bring him back, have a hearing
on his illegal status, and deal with it. But I
don't think this guy's coming back to live with his
family now. Maybe his family would want to join him
in El Salvador. They you know, family bonds are important.
(09:37):
I'd love to know what you think. Wouldn't you love
to have senators? Have any of you called your senator's office?
Do they do? They respond to your concerns as as quickly.
Senator Van Hollins a hell of a senator. I guess
that if you're illegal and you live in Maryland and
they you get thrown out of the country, he's going
to show up at your at your prison. Try to
get in good for him, you know, try to take
(09:59):
a ride out to a prison in Massachusetts, you know,
unannounced and say you want to get in and see
what happens. Doesn't work that way. Back on Nightside, we're
going to talk about this only for about fourteen minutes,
so if you want to get in real quickly six one, seven, two,
five thirty or six months, seven nine, three, ten thirty,
we will go to the twentieth hour. Right after the
eleven o'clock news, we'll be right back on Nightside. This
(10:20):
is an opportunity. We haven't talked about this up until now.
This is an opportunity for you to weigh in, and
remember everyone has a hall pass for the what grind
your gears the twentieth hour, We'll be back on nightside
after this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Bzy Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Maybe one thing that could be done would be to
send an immigration judge down to El Salvador or have
a zoom trial. Have a zoom opportunity for this guy
to present whatever at evidence and have the government present
their evidence and have the immigration judge make a ruling
on it. That's one possibility. Let's see what Tom and
West Virginia has to say. Tom, appreciate your patience sorry,
(11:00):
I had to reset this whole issue, but we had
decided we were going to do a little bit of
this tonight.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Welcome, Okay, I'll get to my points quickly. Number one, Remember,
a progressive is a totalitarian, a closet and totalitarian. Now
it turns out it turns out Saint Abrio Garcia his
wife filed a restraining order on him for assault. Yes,
(11:29):
it also turns out he was and CNN won't tell
you that. Now. He was also pulled over for whatever
reason and had eight people in a vehicle, all of
them illegals that gave or undocumented, that gave the same
address as his address. So I'm not sure if that
(11:54):
falls under human trafficking. Two judges determined he had gang activity,
and one of the judges said he cannot be deported
back to El Salvador because rival gangs will do him
bodily harm or kill him. So here's the situation. El
(12:15):
Salvador just needs to deport him to say Mexico or
Venezuela or another country, and the problem is solved because
Donald Trump was found guilty by a judge in New
York of falsifying real estate records. If I'm not mistaken,
(12:35):
and his lawyers decided to go with a judge's decision
who found them guilty in a court of law for
falsifying values of his real estate.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, yeah, I think it was a little more complicated
that it was a jury that found him guilty jury
of New Yorkers.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
No, no, damn, damn. There was one judge. There was
one judge in New York that I believe his name
was air Gone or something to that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, they were two trials. That was a civil that
was a civil case as opposed to to the other case.
But go ahead. Yeah, he's had a lot of court
activity in New York.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
You're right, go ahead, I understand that. But the point
was there was adjudication, there was a judicial decision. This
guy is this this undocumented immigrant who's been here in
America since twenty eleven. He had two court appearances where
the judges found that he had gang activity. So I
(13:33):
don't you know, Democrats, they're going to fall down on
their sword, uh, defending illegal aliens. And what is also
very sad was that mother whose daughter was brutally murdered
by undocumented immigrants. And let me be perfectly clear, not
nobody has ever said, all undocumented immigrants are gang members
(13:55):
and criminals. But there is a percentage there that if
they had not been in this country, many people would
still be alive in this country. And I don't fall
into the National Public Radio narrative of that. Well, undocumented
immigrants percentage wise commit less crimes than native born people.
Number one, I don't know where they pulled that study out.
(14:17):
Number two, if there were not undocumented immigrants in this country,
there would be a lot of people alive today like Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And by the way, I don't mean to interrupt, but
I need to tell you that you couldn't be more correct.
First of all, we don't know how many undocumented illegal
immigrants are in this country. We do know specific crimes
where a woman is killed in San Francisco, where a
police officer is killed in Mesa, Arizona, where a mother
(14:45):
of five is murdered in Maryland. And by the way,
that woman who spoke and is very upset with Van Hollen,
a Maryland resident as missus Moore and the mom of
Rachel Moore and the woman who was murdered. My position
all along is we have enough rapists, We have enough
murderers in this country. We do not need to import
(15:08):
murderers and rapists, and or to allow people to stay
in this country who are murderers and rapists. I think
they should do their times here, their time here, and
then they should be deported. My problem, and this is
the only point you and I might disagree on, My problem,
is that the Trump administration, in their enthusiasm to get
rid of every illegal in this country, they need to
(15:32):
be smarter and they need to look at these situations
and say, Okay, they admitted that this guy was deported.
There was a mistake in him being put on that plane,
but they should have me well, wherever they wanted to Mexico,
wherever they wanted. I don't know that Mexico was the
(15:54):
place to go because I don't know what his nexus is,
what his connection is with Mexico. The point of trying
to make is and I'll make it regarding the Turkish
woman from Tufts the optics. What the Trump administration has
to understand is that the media is going to look
(16:15):
very closely at what they did. Everything they do, they're
going to look at it more closely than what Joe
Biden did or did not do. You know that, and
I know that, and therefore their optics have to be perfect.
I've seen no information maybe you have on the Turkish student,
a doctoral student at TOUGHTS, other than the fact that
(16:37):
she apparently co authored a piece in the student newspaper
at TOUGHTS. I read the piece in the student newspaper.
I disagreed with it, but it wasn't as if she
was She said nothing, in my opinion in that piece,
which was inflammatory. Meaning if she had written in that
piece death to all Jewish students, that's a whole different story.
(16:58):
She expressed the point of view that I strongly disagree with,
which was a pro Hama's point of view. But if
that's the best that they got on her, there's a
lot of other more dangerous people that they should be
deporting before they get to her, is what I'm trying
to say, Tom, that's all sure.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And by the way, you know that I have a
fiance from the Philippines that had to go through a
homeland security background check, and I'm looking at the national
security related questions and I'll just get it briefly. Have
you ever been a member of assisted or participated in
the military unit, paramilitary unit, rebel group, guerrilla group, militia group,
insurgent organization, or any other armed group. If you show
(17:37):
support for HAMAS and you were a Ford and student,
you've shown support for that. Guess what, your student visa
will not be accepted. And if you lie on these
applications for immigration, you're a lawyer, you know what happens
if they find out if you lied me?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But would have say if that's true, Tom, All I'm
saying is, if that's true, the lawyers in the Trumpet
min is and I don't think that Trump listens to
his lawyers. The lawyers and the Trump administration should have said, look,
if we're going to get someone, let's get him fair
and yeah, get the worst of the worst, get the
(18:15):
rotten apples out of the the pile first. Then we'll
get the apples that aren't perfect or whatever. But have
you know and if if, if the argument is the
person came here illegally, and they've been here illegally and
and they're a good citizen, uh and they have never
committed a crime, we still are going to put them
out because they came here illegally. I'm okay with that.
(18:36):
I'm okay with that, but put them all out. But again,
have the have the documentation. Tom. I hate to do
this to you. You did get a little extra time.
There's some other folks who are calling, but you're always
an interesting caller and I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Thank you, Dan, Bye bye, have.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Great weekend, Happy Eastern. All right, we are done with
that topic and we are going to the eleven, and
the eleven will be what grinds your gears? If you've
already called this week, you have a hall pass. You
can call again. Uh, what grinds your gears? Six months, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six months seven nine, three, one ten thirty
(19:14):
back after this, I apologize Robbie went on too long.
Thanks
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w B
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We talked about this Burlington story and I'm going to
move on and only because we did promote that. We
want to talk about really and kind of an amazing story,
and that is that the one of the two US
senators from Maryland, Senator Chris van Holland, and there are
a lot of people who listened in Maryland, he went
to Al Salvador in an effort to free this gentleman
(00:34):
named Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia. He's been held in Al
Salvador for about a month. He was flown there along
with many of the Venzuelan members of Trente de Agua.
He allegedly is a member of MS thirteen, which is
(00:54):
a pretty rough group of people, and his family claims,
oh no, he's not a member. And again I think
the Trump administration should do a better job and lay
it out on why anyone is being picked up off
the streets. You know, if there is compelling evidence, get
(01:15):
it out there. So Van Holland went, and there was
there was a brutal murder in Maryland. Ironically that also
involved someone who is here illegally. The fellow in El
Salvador had nothing to do with that murder. And there
(01:35):
was a mom, Rachel Moren, brutally murdered by another illegal
immigrant from El Salvador, unrelated, unrelated, but because of the
fact that it's the same state Ms Moran's, it was
I think was a mom of five kids and she
(01:57):
was murdered in twenty twenty three. A separate individual has
been convicted for her murder. And as a matter of fact,
her mother was at the White House the other day
and she's very upset that the Senator did not express
as much concern about her daughter's murder. And in this
article that I have in front of me about what
(02:25):
this is, an article actually published today about Christopher Holland's
trip to L Salvador. Mister van Holland acknowledged miss Moran's
tragic death and reaffirmed his commitment to combating gang violence.
But he said but which he said was a real
point of agreement with Salvador and officials during his meetings
(02:47):
this week. But he rejected the equivalents implied by Trump
officials now quoting Van Holland. My argument here all along
is that is that he just requires due process mister
van Holland said, mister a Brago Garcia, my argument is
not that I claim to know all the facts here.
My whole argument is we have a court with the
whole purpose of having a hearing was for people to
present their evidence. We had a situation where the water
(03:12):
was overwhelmed, and we have millions of people who are
here illegally, A percentage of from are criminals. Now there
are a lot who are here who are not criminals,
but their status here. If they did not present themselves
at a port of entry, they're illegal. But the system
is just so overwhelmed it's impossible to give twenty million
(03:35):
people due process through immigration hearings. And I think what
the mistake the Trump administration is making is that they
are sweeping with a broadbrush, and if they're going to
pick people up and deport them, have the record at hand.
(03:56):
You may not be able to have a court hearing
for every one of these individuals, but have the information available.
So Vian Holland was back today, held a news conference
upon his arrival, and this is a couple of sound bites.
This is cut number five. Please rob if you play.
This is Maryland Senator Chris Finn Hall and talking about
(04:19):
being in contact with the Vice President of Al Salvador.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
In addition to doing a having a variety of discussions
on bilateral issues between the United States and Al Salvador.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I had two main goals.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
One was to urge the government of Al Salvador not
to be complicit in the illegal abduction and detention of
mister Albrego Garcia and to release them. I made that
request directly to the Vice President of Al Salvador. The
president was out of country at the time, and I
(04:56):
previously reported on that conversation. My principal mission was to
meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. I told his wife, Jennifer
and his family that I would do everything in my
power to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And apparently he went to the prison, he was denied.
This is cut number eight. And then we'll get to
some phone calls. He was in the prison, was denied, okay,
But then Garcia showed up at a hotel and I
guess Garcia has been released from the horrific prison or
the tough prison, but is still being held in El Salvador.
(05:37):
This is cut number eight.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I was accompanied by a lawyer for kill Mar's wife Jennifer,
and mother Cecilia Chris Newsom. About three kilometers outside of
Sea Cotton, we were pulled over by soldiers.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You could see the rest of the traffic was allowed
to go by.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We were pulled over by soldiers and told that.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
We were not allowed to proceed any farther.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
When I asked why, was told that they had orders
not to allow us to go any further. When I
asked them if they knew anything about the condition of
mister Abrego Garcia, they said no. And so much later
in the afternoon, it was actually getting ready to catch
(06:28):
a plane out of send Salvador back here later yesterday evening,
and all of a sudden, I got word that I
would be allowed to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and
they brought him to the hotel where I was staying.
(06:48):
And after that meeting, as I said, I called his
wife Jennifer to report on some of the news of
that meeting.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
And now I'm going to report to all of you
about our discussion.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so he found out that Garcia has been moved
to a better prison. But well, let's final SoundBite of
Senator Van Holland cut number eleven rum He.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Told me, and this was yesterday. That eight days ago,
so I guess nine days ago from today. He was
moved to another detention center in Santa Ana where the
conditions are better, but he said despite the better conditions,
he still has no access to any news from the
(07:43):
outside world and no ability to communicate with anybody in
the outside world. His conversation with me was the first
communication he'd had with anybody outside a prison since he
was abducted. He said he felt very sad about being
(08:06):
in a prison because he had not committed any crimes.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
When I asked him what was the one thing he
would ask for in addition to.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
His freedom, he said he wanted to talk to his wife.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Gentlemen, I told him I would work very hard to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Well, now that's some constituent service by Senator Vann Hall.
And I'll tell you and you know, he hasn't committed
a crime. But he came here illegally, ladies and gentlemen, okay,
came here illegally along with millions of others, and now
it is up to us to try to get the
problem solved. It's as simple as that. I would love
(08:52):
to be able to have a full two week trial
due process for every of the twenty million people here illegally. Yes,
we can't do that. I would also love to count
the number of sand, the numbers of grains of sand
on every beach in the world, and be able to
report back to you the numbers of the number of
grains of sand. We are overwhelmed. We're overwhelmed. I don't
(09:16):
know what the information is. If the information on this
guy is not substantial, bring him back, have a hearing
on his illegal status, and deal with it. But I
don't think this guy's coming back to live with his
family now. Maybe his family would want to join him
in El Salvador. They you know, family bonds are important.
(09:37):
I'd love to know what you think. Wouldn't you love
to have senators? Have any of you called your senator's office?
Do they do? They respond to your concerns as as quickly.
Senator Van Hollins a hell of a senator. I guess
that if you're illegal and you live in Maryland and
they you get thrown out of the country, he's going
to show up at your at your prison. Try to
get in good for him, you know, try to take
(09:59):
a ride out to a prison in Massachusetts, you know,
unannounced and say you want to get in and see
what happens. Doesn't work that way. Back on Nightside, we're
going to talk about this only for about fourteen minutes,
so if you want to get in real quickly six one, seven, two,
five thirty or six months, seven nine, three, ten thirty,
we will go to the twentieth hour. Right after the
eleven o'clock news, we'll be right back on Nightside. This
(10:20):
is an opportunity. We haven't talked about this up until now.
This is an opportunity for you to weigh in, and
remember everyone has a hall pass for the what grind
your gears the twentieth hour, We'll be back on nightside
after this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Bzy Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Maybe one thing that could be done would be to
send an immigration judge down to El Salvador or have
a zoom trial. Have a zoom opportunity for this guy
to present whatever at evidence and have the government present
their evidence and have the immigration judge make a ruling
on it. That's one possibility. Let's see what Tom and
West Virginia has to say. Tom, appreciate your patience sorry,
(11:00):
I had to reset this whole issue, but we had
decided we were going to do a little bit of
this tonight.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Welcome, Okay, I'll get to my points quickly. Number one, Remember,
a progressive is a totalitarian, a closet and totalitarian. Now
it turns out it turns out Saint Abrio Garcia his
wife filed a restraining order on him for assault. Yes,
(11:29):
it also turns out he was and CNN won't tell
you that. Now. He was also pulled over for whatever
reason and had eight people in a vehicle, all of
them illegals that gave or undocumented, that gave the same
address as his address. So I'm not sure if that
(11:54):
falls under human trafficking. Two judges determined he had gang activity,
and one of the judges said he cannot be deported
back to El Salvador because rival gangs will do him
bodily harm or kill him. So here's the situation. El
(12:15):
Salvador just needs to deport him to say Mexico or
Venezuela or another country, and the problem is solved because
Donald Trump was found guilty by a judge in New
York of falsifying real estate records. If I'm not mistaken,
(12:35):
and his lawyers decided to go with a judge's decision
who found them guilty in a court of law for
falsifying values of his real estate.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, yeah, I think it was a little more complicated
that it was a jury that found him guilty jury
of New Yorkers.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
No, no, damn, damn. There was one judge. There was
one judge in New York that I believe his name
was air Gone or something to that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, they were two trials. That was a civil that
was a civil case as opposed to to the other case.
But go ahead. Yeah, he's had a lot of court
activity in New York.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
You're right, go ahead, I understand that. But the point
was there was adjudication, there was a judicial decision. This
guy is this this undocumented immigrant who's been here in
America since twenty eleven. He had two court appearances where
the judges found that he had gang activity. So I
(13:33):
don't you know, Democrats, they're going to fall down on
their sword, uh, defending illegal aliens. And what is also
very sad was that mother whose daughter was brutally murdered
by undocumented immigrants. And let me be perfectly clear, not
nobody has ever said, all undocumented immigrants are gang members
(13:55):
and criminals. But there is a percentage there that if
they had not been in this country, many people would
still be alive in this country. And I don't fall
into the National Public Radio narrative of that. Well, undocumented
immigrants percentage wise commit less crimes than native born people.
Number one, I don't know where they pulled that study out.
(14:17):
Number two, if there were not undocumented immigrants in this country,
there would be a lot of people alive today like Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And by the way, I don't mean to interrupt, but
I need to tell you that you couldn't be more correct.
First of all, we don't know how many undocumented illegal
immigrants are in this country. We do know specific crimes
where a woman is killed in San Francisco, where a
police officer is killed in Mesa, Arizona, where a mother
(14:45):
of five is murdered in Maryland. And by the way,
that woman who spoke and is very upset with Van Hollen,
a Maryland resident as missus Moore and the mom of
Rachel Moore and the woman who was murdered. My position
all along is we have enough rapists, We have enough
murderers in this country. We do not need to import
(15:08):
murderers and rapists, and or to allow people to stay
in this country who are murderers and rapists. I think
they should do their times here, their time here, and
then they should be deported. My problem, and this is
the only point you and I might disagree on, My problem,
is that the Trump administration, in their enthusiasm to get
rid of every illegal in this country, they need to
(15:32):
be smarter and they need to look at these situations
and say, Okay, they admitted that this guy was deported.
There was a mistake in him being put on that plane,
but they should have me well, wherever they wanted to Mexico,
wherever they wanted. I don't know that Mexico was the
(15:54):
place to go because I don't know what his nexus is,
what his connection is with Mexico. The point of trying
to make is and I'll make it regarding the Turkish
woman from Tufts the optics. What the Trump administration has
to understand is that the media is going to look
(16:15):
very closely at what they did. Everything they do, they're
going to look at it more closely than what Joe
Biden did or did not do. You know that, and
I know that, and therefore their optics have to be perfect.
I've seen no information maybe you have on the Turkish student,
a doctoral student at TOUGHTS, other than the fact that
(16:37):
she apparently co authored a piece in the student newspaper
at TOUGHTS. I read the piece in the student newspaper.
I disagreed with it, but it wasn't as if she
was She said nothing, in my opinion in that piece,
which was inflammatory. Meaning if she had written in that
piece death to all Jewish students, that's a whole different story.
(16:58):
She expressed the point of view that I strongly disagree with,
which was a pro Hama's point of view. But if
that's the best that they got on her, there's a
lot of other more dangerous people that they should be
deporting before they get to her, is what I'm trying
to say, Tom, that's all sure.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And by the way, you know that I have a
fiance from the Philippines that had to go through a
homeland security background check, and I'm looking at the national
security related questions and I'll just get it briefly. Have
you ever been a member of assisted or participated in
the military unit, paramilitary unit, rebel group, guerrilla group, militia group,
insurgent organization, or any other armed group. If you show
(17:37):
support for HAMAS and you were a Ford and student,
you've shown support for that. Guess what, your student visa
will not be accepted. And if you lie on these
applications for immigration, you're a lawyer, you know what happens
if they find out if you lied me?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But would have say if that's true, Tom, All I'm
saying is, if that's true, the lawyers in the Trumpet
min is and I don't think that Trump listens to
his lawyers. The lawyers and the Trump administration should have said, look,
if we're going to get someone, let's get him fair
and yeah, get the worst of the worst, get the
(18:15):
rotten apples out of the the pile first. Then we'll
get the apples that aren't perfect or whatever. But have
you know and if if, if the argument is the
person came here illegally, and they've been here illegally and
and they're a good citizen, uh and they have never
committed a crime, we still are going to put them
out because they came here illegally. I'm okay with that.
(18:36):
I'm okay with that, but put them all out. But again,
have the have the documentation. Tom. I hate to do
this to you. You did get a little extra time.
There's some other folks who are calling, but you're always
an interesting caller and I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Thank you, Dan, Bye bye, have.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Great weekend, Happy Eastern. All right, we are done with
that topic and we are going to the eleven, and
the eleven will be what grinds your gears? If you've
already called this week, you have a hall pass. You
can call again. Uh, what grinds your gears? Six months, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six months seven nine, three, one ten thirty
(19:14):
back after this, I apologize Robbie went on too long.
Thanks
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