December 2, 2024 • 43 mins
President Biden broke his public promise that he would not pardon his son Hunter Biden of the federal crimes he committed. Last summer a federal jury convicted Hunter on three federal felony gun charges. President Biden originally told the public, he would abide by the jury’s decision and that, “I will not pardon him". Why did Biden break his promise? What other options did he have and what would you do if you were in the same situation?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night time with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
All right, Welcome back everybody. As we head into the
ten o'clock hour here, I will tell you that I
want to talk and get your reaction to the decision
by President Biden to pardon his son Hunter not only
for the crimes for which he has been convicted, but
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in addition covers quite quite a time in office. Let
me put it like that. We'll get to all of that,
but before we do that, I just want to take
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at the end of the year. It's a great way
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first come, first served. Now yet late last night or
not late last night, the President of the United States,
Joe Biden, essentially admitted to us that last summer he lied,
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last spring he lied. He was at the Normandy Anniversaries
in early June in France and he was asked by
an ABC reporter if he would pardon his son, Hunter Biden,
and he said no. And he repeated that statement repeatedly.
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And this is a cut number two. This is Joe
Biden in June of this year.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You're going through something that so many American families go through,
the intersection of addiction in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But you're not like most families.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Was your unable to get a fair trial?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Do you believe the Justice Department operated independently of politics.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
With regard to the question regarding the family. I'm extremely
proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome an addiction.
He is He's one of the brightest, most decent men
I know. And I am satisfied that I'm not gonna
do anything. I said, I advide by the jury decision,
and I will do that and I will not partner him.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Pretty clear statement by Joe Biden. The Globe will have
a piece tomorrow, I think written by I hope I'm
going to pronounce these names correctly. If I don't, I apologize.
I'm not familiar with the writers and Jolly Huon and
Katie Johnston of the Globe staff. Basically, this story cleared
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earlier this evening. Biden's pardon of his son exudes white privilege,
local advocates say, and they talked to a number of
people who are involved in crime and justice issues. A
community liaison for prisoner's Legal Services in Massachusetts, Mac Hudson,
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demonstrate quote, what it is to have white privilege. Biden
used that privilege unashamed of least aid Hudson, who was
incarcerated for more than thirty years and now focuses on
addressing racial inequities in the criminal justice system. Hudson continued,
he happens to be black. When you see the type
of flagrant exercise, what does it say to us, the
black and brown folks who are fighting constantly just for
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basic fundamental rights. I agree with him. I agree with
what that gentleman just said. State Senator Jamie Eldridge, He's
a Marlborough Democrat who cheers the Senate's Criminal Justice Reform Caucus, said,
Biden's decision makes it harder for all Democrats to make
the point, especially for our own court system, that if
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someone is convicted, that their justice needs to be carried
out as compassionate as a father is for a son.
Outridge added, Joe Biden is the president, and there are
tens of thousands of people who are convicted of federal
offenses who've been waiting for years, in many cases decades,
for pardons commut or commuting their sentences. Biden's pardon of
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his son came a couple of weeks after dozens of
members of Congress, co led by Representative Ayana Pressley, sent
a letter to Biden urging him to use his clemency
power in his final weeks to grant pardons and commutations
for broad classes of people behind bars. Such a move,
the letter said, would rectify unjust that un necessary criminal
laws passed by Congress and draconian sentences given by judges.
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So this look, I don't have a lot of sympathy
for Hunter Biden, okay. I know that he went through
an addiction. Through a lot of young men and women
in this country who go through addiction, he had every
privilege available. His father was a United States Senator from
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the day he was born. His father was vice president
of the United States. This is not your average young
person who gets involved with drugs and then involved somehow
ensneered in the criminal justice system. I have more sympathy
for those people that I do for Hunter Biden. The
all along, all along, the President and his team have
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said nope, nope, no, not gonna hunt, not gonna pardon Hunter.
This is Carene Jean Pierre speaking pretty clearly when I
asked that question. This is her in June of this year.
Two c Please Rob.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
What I'm saying is that the president I am not
spoken to the President about this, And what I'm saying
is he was asked about a pardon. He was asked
about he was asked about the trial specifically, and he
answered it very clearly, very forthright. As we know, the
sentencing hasn't even been scheduled yet. I don't have anything
beyond what the President said. He's been very clear about this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Very clear about it. I'll tell you clear. This is
July of two thousand and three. This again is Caree
Jean Pierre KJP quick quick response, A little clearer. I
hoped cut to a Rob little.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Cutting partner for commute his son if he's convicted.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
So I've answered this question before.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
It was asked of me not too long ago, a
couple of weeks ago, and I was very clear and
I said.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, Okay, well no until last night, and I guess
they had a family dinner down in Nantucket. So if
you want to join the conversation, so I can turn
the question on you and ask you what would have
you done if you were the president and he was
your son. But this is a guy who told the
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American people no, clearly no. It was no equivocation. It
wasn't well, we'll look at all options, but my I
currently am disinclined to issue up.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It was simply no. There are a couple of lines
here at seven eighty one uh six one seven ninety
six one seven nine, ten thirty. Let me go to
Dot in Medford. Let's see what Dot has to say
about this. She always is an interesting caller. Dot. Welcome
next on NIGHTSIG go ahead, well.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Welcome back, Thank you. Wonderful to hear you have a voice.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Thank you very much, nice to hear you. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
God, Now we know, of course, we've known right way.
Biden's a lion fraud period. But now we also know
who the deplorables are in this country. The Trump voters
were called deplorable and trash and garbage, but now we
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know it's the Biden family who are the deplorables.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, the question is is he going to give a pardon,
a blanket pardon to his brother? Is he going to
give a blanket parden?
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Of course he will, of course he will, because they're
all in cohotes. How did that garbage head son ever
pay a million dollars in taxes after he blew the
millions he got from the Chinese, the Ukraine's. He was
gonna u be the lawyer and they'd give him a
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million dollars. It was all Paola. And if you read
the book by Divine about the laptop, you know what
they are.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
The garbage.
Speaker 8 (12:32):
Yeah, it's terrible. I mean we're happy.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well Biden should have been doing was getting help for
his son if he knew that the sun had had
had literally just you know something, you.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
Can't get help for them. He was high, he's still
doing cocaine. He was blowing his nose and solushing his
nose the other day on the port at the White House.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
He's well but you know what, let's let's assume that
he's off it because unless we have real proof to
the contrary, Okay, I mean, I just want to focus
on President Biden. Does does President Biden issual pardon for himself? Well,
he better, I don't know, but I mean certainly for
his brother, other members.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
Of the family, grand you know, his grandchildren all got
cuts of all that money. There was a lot of
money pouring in from payoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah. Well though, well, first of all, I don't know,
I've seen all of that. But if those kids are
under age, I don't think there's a.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Problem that they're not. They're not.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think that that Look, he gave what I would
consider to be a very prophilactic pardon, meaning it goes
for many years, and it's for everything between.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
It goes from fourteen to twenty four years. Twenty years,
right yr Yeah, and so the hook Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Mean there's been questions raised about his brother. I have
no idea. I've read the stories and all of that
thing pardon everything party.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
And his wife is probably one of the worst ones.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
No, we have no, we have no knowledge of that
at all. I've never heard her name.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
Lincoln anything like you have to read. You have to
read laptop from hell. You have to read it and
then you'll see, all.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Right, just the book doesn't make it so DoD. I
love the fact that that you never equivocate. You are
always pretty clear once.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
You say I'm old and I'm clear. Welcome back, Dan,
It's wonderful to have you back.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Thanks. Nice to be so. It's nice to have someone
to come back to. Bruce is in Howe, Massachusetts, down
by the water. Bruce, youan next? uXt you right ahead?
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Hi?
Speaker 10 (14:49):
Dan?
Speaker 9 (14:49):
Yeah, I can almost see the waves from my property,
but not quite.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's okay. You can walk down of the the ocean.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Are go ahead, you you bitch. I gotta say Dot's
got a lot of nerve bringing up anything about taxes
when we have formerly a former president that has been
convicted of screw in the the city of New York,
but neither here nor there as far as Biden goes,
I totally expected him to pardon his son, and I
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wouldn't be surprised to be pardoned his brother. But I
would ask you, are you willing to devote his won
or put his one or two or however many lies
Biden has created or said against the un or tens
of thousands that Trump has lied about.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, I gotta be honest with you, Bruce. We're probably
gonna disagree on this, Okay.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Oh yeah, you could.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You could put up whatever you considered to be Donald
Trump's worst lies. And I don't know that there's any
lie that you could put up which would be as
bold faced as when President Biden was asked by David Muir,
will you pardon your son? I mean that was a
(16:01):
pretty obvious question. What lie would you put up that
Donald Trump would have that would be as bold faced
as that?
Speaker 9 (16:07):
I couldn't tell you because I really don't recollect the
many many lives, so they must they must not.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Have been as bold I mean, this one's pretty easy
to you.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
Kind of recollect Trump line.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
You said that there were tens of thousands.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
No, No, I honestly can't.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
So therefore there's nothing so I put on the table, Bruce,
I'm just putting on the table. What you do. Remember
the interview that ABC had with and others that that,
but ABC actually asked the question for the first time
during the Normandy you know, the June sixth yepcast, and
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there was no there was no equivocation there. It wasn't like, look,
I'm disinclined at this moment, uh to even anticipate to
to entertain that question, because at that point, I don't
think the Sun had been convicted of any thing. I
think he was still in the trial process. So I
think that's pretty clear that that's one that that's why
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I wanted to lie.
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Oh it's a boldfaced lie. But my issue is, look
at the hundreds, and I can't pick a single one.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But that's the point. That's the point, the hundreds of thousands.
You can't think of one, right, you can't think of one.
Think about it. I would you say that.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
I know, I know it sounds stupid, but that's what
it does.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Sound stupid. Pro Bruce, I I be told I got
a break. I should have taken you that quickly. I
gotta run. Okay, we'll talk again. That's much sixty six
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Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I'm not going to short change your call or
I went a little long, so let me just reset
real quickly, and we got Jack and Newton on the
other side. Jack, I will get to you right after
the news at the bottom of the hour, but I'm
not going to short change her. I want to know
what you think of Joe Biden and has this changed
your opinion of Joe Biden at all? Or conversely, if
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you were the president of the United States and your
son was facing jail time, maybe not a lot of
jail time, but we're talking about done conviction and tax convictions.
And now again, in fairness to Hunter Biden paid that back.
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But if you get caught by the I R S.
The President today said it was a The reason he's
doing the pardon is because it was a political prosecution,
a political prosecution by his own Justice department. I mean
that doesn't that doesn't ring true. I mean it wasn't
the Trump Justice Department that was prosecuting Hunter Biden. As
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a matter of fact, there was a period where if
it hadn't been for a judge in a federal judge
in New Jersey who insisted, excuse me, in Delaware who
insisted they had this wrapped up and he was going
to walk a year and a half ago, everything was
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going to be wrapped up in a nice tight little
bundle if anything at that point, and that was the
prosecutor Weiss, who eventually had to go back and bring
the charges against him. Look, this is the case of
ultimate white privilege when you really look at it, and
Joe Biden and Joe Biden, they're thrilled he's not going
to go to jail. Who wants to see their kid
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go to jail? Obviously, So my question on the other
side of it, if you were the president and you
had the authority, what would you do. This also makes it,
whether you like it or not, a little easier for
Donald Trump when he's in office to selectively pardon some
of the January sixth rioters. I might be as opposed
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to this as as well. But again, the Globe, the
article in the Globe, it's not the Globe, but the
article in the Globe says the headline, Biden's pardon of
his son exudes white privilege. Local advocates say, it's what's
being said six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
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story of the day. Did you believe Joe Biden when
he said it? We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b
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Speaker 3 (23:44):
Play very much, Dan Watkins. This is the statement from
the President which was released last night today. I signed
a pardon for my son Hunter. From the day took office.
I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department's
decision making, and I kept my word even as they
watched my son being selectively and unfairly prosecuted by his
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Justice Department. That's right, his Justice Department without aggravating factors
like use in a crime, multiple purchasers are buying a
weapon as a straw purchaser. People are almost never brought
to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled
out a gun form. Those who were late paying their
taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently
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with interest and penalties, are typically given non criminal resolutions.
It's clear that Hunter was treated differently. If Hunter's not
treated that way, The charges in his cases came about
only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated
them to attack me and oppose my election. Then a
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carefully negotiated plead deal agreed to by the Department of
justice unraveled in a court room with a number of
my political in front of a federal judge. He meant
he lacks to mention, fails to mention with a number
of my political opponents in Congress, taking credit for bringing
political pressure in the process. Had the plea deal held,
it would have been a fair reasonable resolution of Hunter's cases.
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Oh yeah, No reasonable person looks at the fact of
Hunter's cases can reach any other conclusion. I'm a reasonable person,
mister President, and I disagree with you on that one.
That Hunter was singled out only because he is my son,
and that's wrong. Hunter got away with a lot more
than that, and that's why you've given him a pardon.
From from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty four there's been
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an effort to break Hunter, who's been five and a
half years sober, even in the face of unrelenting attacks
and selective prosecution and trying to break Hunter. They tried
to break me. Ooh, and there's no reasonab believe it
will stop there. Enough is enough. For My entire career
followed a simple principle, just tell the American people the truth.
But I didn't tell the people the truth In June
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or in July, they'll be fair minded. Here's the truth. No,
the truth was what you said was the truth in June.
Mister President. I believe in the justice system, but I've
wrestled with this. I also believe raw politics has affected
this process and has led to a miscarriage of justice.
And once I made this decision this weekend at dinner,
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there was no sense of delaying it further, of course not.
I hope Americans will want to see why father and
the president would come to this decision. Do you understand it?
I don't. If he had equivocated and said back in June,
nothing has changed between now and June, nothing at all.
The question is will there be other Biden family members.
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Let me go next to Jack and Newton. Jack, I
appreciate your holding through the news. I didn't want to
short change you.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Go right ahead, Hi, Jack, Porter look at as a
father myself, mister Bider acted like a father. I mean,
mister Trump would also partner his own son.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Donald Trump has pardened other people's people, including you know,
relatives of non direct family members, but he never said
he would not pardon someone and then pardon them. That's
what I'm talking about Jack.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Well, it changed this mine. I think for two reasons.
Well one because well, if they lost the election, I mean,
if Kamala Harris had won, I don't think he would
have pardoned him because he could trust that Kamala would
you know, I don't know it wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I disagree with you. I bet you that when the
decision was made for him to leave SEP aside in
July and to basically he and the nomination over or
as I called it, the immaculate nomination over to Vice
President Harris, I suspect that there was an understanding, if
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not an agreement, that if she won, Hunter Biden would
be pardoned by her. That way, he could have kept
his promise that he would not pardon his son.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
And you know, the shock of mister Trump winning said no,
they're going to continue harassing him in prison and going
after my legacy and him.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And he was prosecuted by the Biden Justice Department. He
was not prosecuted by the Trump Justice Department.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I'm just saying that they would keep going after him,
you know, I'm I mean maybe, And he also felt
that because you know that he was a former a
drug addict and alcoholic he could relapse, and I think
people should be a little nicer out there.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, Jack, how about being nicer to the people in
prison who are not the son of the President of
the United States. Isn't this white privilege? Isn't this the
Globe will tell us tomorrow in one article that that
people are calling this the ultimate white privilege.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Well, that's a political correctness. I think that mister Biden
will will pardon some black people as well, So I
think that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
But how many how many black men? Uh, and maybe
black women are rotting in prison in this country for
crime similar to what Hunter Biden now has escaped, you know,
punishment for how many how many black men and black
women did Kamala Harris put in prison when she was
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Attorney general in the state of California, Uh, for doing
exactly what she had done, which was smoking marijuana.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
Well, as you look socialized, but there's a difference in
black are convicted compared to one. It's something that's obvious.
Things like the population is black.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
No, no, we know whoa whoa whoa. That's not true.
That's not true. Come on, that's that that's just not true.
I mean you there may be an overrepresentation of There
is an over representation of minorities black and probably Hispanics
as well in the American justice system, but it's not ninety.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Eight percently it's probably because they commit more crimes.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, but the question, the question is that they You
may argue that's what the conservatives have said for years,
But the question is is the prison Is the conviction
rate equivalent to the population. No, it's higher. And then
if if the argument is they that that the black
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population commits more crimes, prove it. You got to prove
that in.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
My In my they commit more crimes. But there's more
gangs and among black black gangs, and you know the
Chicano well.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Most I don't think there's any black members of the mafia.
The mafia has been been around for a while too.
I just think that we're going a little as straight
here Jack, and that that hunter Biden is very lucky
that his dad was elected president. And again I want
to emphasize this was the the Biden Justice Department. That
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you know, Joe Biden is not saying this was a
political prosecution by the Biden Justice Department. That doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Well, I think I'll be honest. Maybe your audience doesn't
like to hear this, but we have a lot more
serious problems than this. You know, two wars.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
We talked about, we talked, we talked about all of
those problems, Jack, But should I not? Should I ignore
this problem tonight, this story tonight?
Speaker 7 (31:42):
No, you can discuss it that. I think we should
go away and let them relax in Delaware and let
them move on with their lives and let's start anew
with a new president and let's move on. That's mine.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Do you do you think do you think that there's
there will be more pardons for Biden family members that
think this is it?
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Yeah, there's other family members that are going to prison.
What I didn't know there was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, they're there, they're his brother. There have been allegations.
No one else has been convicted, but if you fear
that someone may have ultimately be convicted, including maybe by
the Trump Justice Department, it would seem to me that
that once he leaves the White House on January twentieth,
his power is to pardon the commute sentences goes away.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Well as possible. You know, it's ironic, is that Lister Trump?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
You know, pardon Charles Kershner.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
That's correct. I meant I just mentioned in Jack, but
he but no one had ever asked him ahead of that,
are you going to pardon the father of your son
in law? And if Donald Trump had said I'm not
going to pardon Charles ker Kushner, then he'd be in
the same position as as Biden tonight. I understand as
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a father that's what he might have done. But he
never should have said back in June when people asked him,
never should have said no.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Well, he changed his mind because by Trump one.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, that's why he changed his mind, because Trump won.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah, if Kamala Harris had won, it would be a
different story. I think.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Okay, all right, Jack.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
By the way, it's my birthday today. I know I
invited you to my birthday party, but I just wanted
to mention it's my birthday today.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So today's to day. The party's the fifteenth, correct.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Right, the party is the fifteenth, But today I can't.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I got to tell you, Jack, as much as I
would like to be there and I appreciated the invitation,
I was going to give you a call. I've got
a conflict that day and I can't attend. But if
today's your actual birthday. Happy birthday, Jacket. A round of
applause for Jack. It's not every day people turn thirty nine, Jack,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
That's right, I'm still thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Happy Happy birthday, Jack.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Okay, thank you, so have a great night.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
All right, go and take a quick break. Got some
open lines here which stuns me. Maybe everybody agrees that
what Joe Biden did was the proper thing. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
I think this is a really interesting topic, and I
think that this does more damage to the Democratic brand
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for this to go down this way. If Joe Biden
had not said anything and then turned around and in
early December issued a pardon, I just wonder if there's
going to be other partons. I I had recommended, you know,
a month ago, that maybe Donald Trump, when he met
with Joe Biden at the White House, that Donald Trump
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might have said to him and given him some insurance. Look,
I will take that burden as a as an olive branch.
I will take that burden, and I one of my
first acts will be to pardon your son. I think
that would have been a smart political move for Donald Trump.
Maybe disagree six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I'm trying
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to make you think. That's all. I'm trying to make
you think. Back on night Side after this, Now.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nightside
Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
All right, I'll go to Ron and Weymouth. Ron, you
were next on Nightside. Your thoughts on the pardon that
President Biden has extended for his son.
Speaker 13 (35:31):
I will very quickly here, but before that, I will
not invite you to a birthday party, but I will
say Merry Christmas. If I don't hear from you again, well.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Merry Christmas to you. That's what I celebrate. So I
always like a specific of greed. And go ahead ahead, Ron.
Speaker 13 (35:47):
Now you remember President Ford coming into office pidon Nixon.
He didn't change his mind. It's a very different scenario
would republic and some Democrats, by the way, and the
Democrats use their old cuche, their old mechanism of operation,
which was give the people, say what the people want
when you see what they need or what they want,
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and what they wanted to, you know, was to say that, no,
I'm not going to pardon my son. But then when
they forget about it later on, Oh, they don't forget
about it. Sure they will not this time around, they didn't.
And then he'll change his mind and say, oh, I
decided to pardon my son Hunter. It doesn't work anymore, Dan,
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or anybody out there listening. It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
By the way, just a quick comment, if you will.
I voted for Jimmy Carter in nineteen seventy six as
a young lawyer because I felt that Gerald Ford had
made a mistake in pardoning Richard Nixon. Subsequently, I think
Ford did the right thing because it was it healed
a nation's wound and people were able to pick up
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and move on past the Nixton administration. I think Ford
did the right thing. In retrospect that I was wrong,
although I probably would have voted for Jimmy Carter anyway
because I like Carter. But and you can question my
judgment on that as well. But however, just in the
spirit of full disclosure, I tell you that, but this
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is a different This does nothing to heal a wound.
This rips the wound open, because what it says is
this is a you know, a dual class of justice
in this country if you're a connected person, which we've
known all along, but it's never been more obvious. And
then you have a president who lied in June. And
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don't tell me the president changed his mind, because I
believe that he lied in June.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
Right, And your idea of when you put this information
out for anybody to answer on, and I believe you
said what a president Trump after coming into office would
be a good thing. You didn't say you should do it,
but you asked the public on the radio tonight. Would
would that be a good idea? I don't think there'd
be a real good idea. It would heal some factions
(38:10):
of Democrats that did not go to Trump, but Trump
won in the lands. What the heck does he have
to heal anything for? I think would hurt Trump more
than help him. What does anybody else think about out today?
Speaker 9 (38:20):
I'll be listening to it all right, Thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
It's always great call. Thank you much quickly to the point,
that's what I appreciate. Let me go next to We're
going to go next to Ken in Waltham.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Ken.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You were next on Nisager.
Speaker 12 (38:33):
Right ahead, h Danieah, I thought it was interesting when
you just mentioned that, you know, Trump could maybe help
unite the country by partnering Hunter Biden, because I think
he sort of just did the opposite by nominating uh
Caspitel as attorney General, who's really kind of verbally made
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it his mission to go after the Bidens no matter what.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
And rather you know, well, I don't necessarily think that
cash Patel is going to go after the Bidens. I
think that there may be others that that he might
want to go after. But well, well let me ask
you this Cash Patel, I guess has been will be
nominated or has been nominated. Uh, he has to get
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sent in approval to hit the FBI. Who else would
you expect Donald Trump to nominate to? I mean, this
is a Trump administration. He won the election. I mean,
you know, you may be disappointed in the nomination of Patel,
but who would you expect him to nominate. Would you
(39:41):
expect him to nominate more? Heally for attorney for the
head of the FBI?
Speaker 13 (39:49):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (39:51):
John you maybe?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I like h I think John you would have been
a great guy. And John is a smart guy. And
John doesn't have some of the bad I get that
some of these folks have, but again it doesn't I
guess what I'm saying is it just doesn't surprise me.
That's all. It's like all.
Speaker 12 (40:08):
My only point is, I mean Patel has made remarks,
sure he has, he is like really going after the Bidens,
for anyone who helped Joe Biden quote steal the election.
I mean it's possible that Biden over the weekend was saying,
you know, he is going to go after you know, me,
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my family, my son to any extent.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
And so I'm gonna so you're you're gonna You're gonna basically,
let let Joe Biden off. Let me ask you, do
you think when this an honest question, I know you're
gonna give me an honest answer. Do you think when
Joe Biden was asked that question by David Muir in
Normandy back in June, and Joe Biden said, nope, I'm
not going to give him a pardon not. Do you
think Joe Biden didn't know then that his intention was
(40:58):
to pardon his son. Do you really do you really
think he changed his mind? I'll take your answer to
it's an honest answer.
Speaker 12 (41:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I I think that. I mean,
I think if Harris had been elected, he maybe would
not have pardoned that son.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Well, sure, because then it's taken care of. But what
I'm saying is he had to know why that the
possibility existed. Maybe it was of course he was the
candidate at the time, and when he answered that question.
I mean, look, Republicans and Democrats. Oftentimes Republicans do win elections.
So I mean he asked him, would you pardon your son?
Speaker 12 (41:36):
So let me let me say no, Dan, Yeah, I'm
what I'm trying to say is I think at that
time he thought there were instances where he wouldn't pardon
this son. He could think of instances when he would.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Did you give a wide break a big break here?
Speaker 12 (41:54):
But I'm saying that he was not being truthful he
said I would not pardon my son. I think their
toothflow answer is there are instances.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
When I would.
Speaker 12 (42:04):
There are instances when I would.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Okay, fair enough, all right, but I will take I
will take that. Hey, Ken, I hate to do this year,
but I'm way past my break here and I get it,
and I get I'm good thing.
Speaker 12 (42:14):
I think I think the cast of the Tell thing
maybe twenty years from now, you'll say, you know, Biden
did the right thing, but what happened, No.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I don't think so. I would have been much happier
if Donald Trump had said, hey, you know what I'm
gonna you know, do the right thing for you, Joe Biden.
It would have been a would have been a way
to kind of bring the country. I don't think this
helps to bring.
Speaker 12 (42:36):
But again, nominating for telism the way to do that.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
So anyway, see that's who he's gonna that's who he's
going to nominate. That's who guys know who presidents nominate
the guy people who are going to be loyal. But whatever,
let's you know, and again, if Petel goes overboard, we'll
go right after. Trust me on that.
Speaker 12 (42:50):
Okay, I do, Dan, I'm a big fan. Thank you
very much.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Have a great night. Here comes the news at eleven
back fill up the lines. Coming back on Nightside right
after this
It's night time with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
All right, Welcome back everybody. As we head into the
ten o'clock hour here, I will tell you that I
want to talk and get your reaction to the decision
by President Biden to pardon his son Hunter not only
for the crimes for which he has been convicted, but
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in addition covers quite quite a time in office. Let
me put it like that. We'll get to all of that,
but before we do that, I just want to take
a moment and ask you to think about we we
like to end the year to Tonight is December second,
It's the first Monday night in December, and we're the
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end of the new year. The end of the year
is approaching, and I like to end my broadcast here
and my last time on the air this year will
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hour or so of the broadcast year, which will be
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(01:37):
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(02:00):
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(03:50):
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And it doesn't have to be time to Christmas. It's
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at the end of the year. It's a great way
to end my broadcast year. So that's that's an open invitation,
first come, first served. Now yet late last night or
not late last night, the President of the United States,
Joe Biden, essentially admitted to us that last summer he lied,
(05:22):
last spring he lied. He was at the Normandy Anniversaries
in early June in France and he was asked by
an ABC reporter if he would pardon his son, Hunter Biden,
and he said no. And he repeated that statement repeatedly.
(05:44):
And this is a cut number two. This is Joe
Biden in June of this year.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You're going through something that so many American families go through,
the intersection of addiction in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But you're not like most families.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Was your unable to get a fair trial?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Do you believe the Justice Department operated independently of politics.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
With regard to the question regarding the family. I'm extremely
proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome an addiction.
He is He's one of the brightest, most decent men
I know. And I am satisfied that I'm not gonna
do anything. I said, I advide by the jury decision,
and I will do that and I will not partner him.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Pretty clear statement by Joe Biden. The Globe will have
a piece tomorrow, I think written by I hope I'm
going to pronounce these names correctly. If I don't, I apologize.
I'm not familiar with the writers and Jolly Huon and
Katie Johnston of the Globe staff. Basically, this story cleared
(06:50):
earlier this evening. Biden's pardon of his son exudes white privilege,
local advocates say, and they talked to a number of
people who are involved in crime and justice issues. A
community liaison for prisoner's Legal Services in Massachusetts, Mac Hudson,
(07:11):
demonstrate quote, what it is to have white privilege. Biden
used that privilege unashamed of least aid Hudson, who was
incarcerated for more than thirty years and now focuses on
addressing racial inequities in the criminal justice system. Hudson continued,
he happens to be black. When you see the type
of flagrant exercise, what does it say to us, the
black and brown folks who are fighting constantly just for
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basic fundamental rights. I agree with him. I agree with
what that gentleman just said. State Senator Jamie Eldridge, He's
a Marlborough Democrat who cheers the Senate's Criminal Justice Reform Caucus, said,
Biden's decision makes it harder for all Democrats to make
the point, especially for our own court system, that if
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someone is convicted, that their justice needs to be carried
out as compassionate as a father is for a son.
Outridge added, Joe Biden is the president, and there are
tens of thousands of people who are convicted of federal
offenses who've been waiting for years, in many cases decades,
for pardons commut or commuting their sentences. Biden's pardon of
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his son came a couple of weeks after dozens of
members of Congress, co led by Representative Ayana Pressley, sent
a letter to Biden urging him to use his clemency
power in his final weeks to grant pardons and commutations
for broad classes of people behind bars. Such a move,
the letter said, would rectify unjust that un necessary criminal
laws passed by Congress and draconian sentences given by judges.
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So this look, I don't have a lot of sympathy
for Hunter Biden, okay. I know that he went through
an addiction. Through a lot of young men and women
in this country who go through addiction, he had every
privilege available. His father was a United States Senator from
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the day he was born. His father was vice president
of the United States. This is not your average young
person who gets involved with drugs and then involved somehow
ensneered in the criminal justice system. I have more sympathy
for those people that I do for Hunter Biden. The
all along, all along, the President and his team have
(09:28):
said nope, nope, no, not gonna hunt, not gonna pardon Hunter.
This is Carene Jean Pierre speaking pretty clearly when I
asked that question. This is her in June of this year.
Two c Please Rob.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
What I'm saying is that the president I am not
spoken to the President about this, And what I'm saying
is he was asked about a pardon. He was asked
about he was asked about the trial specifically, and he
answered it very clearly, very forthright. As we know, the
sentencing hasn't even been scheduled yet. I don't have anything
beyond what the President said. He's been very clear about this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Very clear about it. I'll tell you clear. This is
July of two thousand and three. This again is Caree
Jean Pierre KJP quick quick response, A little clearer. I
hoped cut to a Rob little.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Cutting partner for commute his son if he's convicted.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
So I've answered this question before.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
It was asked of me not too long ago, a
couple of weeks ago, and I was very clear and
I said.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, Okay, well no until last night, and I guess
they had a family dinner down in Nantucket. So if
you want to join the conversation, so I can turn
the question on you and ask you what would have
you done if you were the president and he was
your son. But this is a guy who told the
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American people no, clearly no. It was no equivocation. It
wasn't well, we'll look at all options, but my I
currently am disinclined to issue up.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It was simply no. There are a couple of lines
here at seven eighty one uh six one seven ninety
six one seven nine, ten thirty. Let me go to
Dot in Medford. Let's see what Dot has to say
about this. She always is an interesting caller. Dot. Welcome
next on NIGHTSIG go ahead, well.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Welcome back, Thank you. Wonderful to hear you have a voice.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Thank you very much, nice to hear you. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
God, Now we know, of course, we've known right way.
Biden's a lion fraud period. But now we also know
who the deplorables are in this country. The Trump voters
were called deplorable and trash and garbage, but now we
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know it's the Biden family who are the deplorables.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, the question is is he going to give a pardon,
a blanket pardon to his brother? Is he going to
give a blanket parden?
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Of course he will, of course he will, because they're
all in cohotes. How did that garbage head son ever
pay a million dollars in taxes after he blew the
millions he got from the Chinese, the Ukraine's. He was
gonna u be the lawyer and they'd give him a
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million dollars. It was all Paola. And if you read
the book by Divine about the laptop, you know what
they are.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
The garbage.
Speaker 8 (12:32):
Yeah, it's terrible. I mean we're happy.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well Biden should have been doing was getting help for
his son if he knew that the sun had had
had literally just you know something, you.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
Can't get help for them. He was high, he's still
doing cocaine. He was blowing his nose and solushing his
nose the other day on the port at the White House.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
He's well but you know what, let's let's assume that
he's off it because unless we have real proof to
the contrary, Okay, I mean, I just want to focus
on President Biden. Does does President Biden issual pardon for himself? Well,
he better, I don't know, but I mean certainly for
his brother, other members.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
Of the family, grand you know, his grandchildren all got
cuts of all that money. There was a lot of
money pouring in from payoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah. Well though, well, first of all, I don't know,
I've seen all of that. But if those kids are
under age, I don't think there's a.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Problem that they're not. They're not.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think that that Look, he gave what I would
consider to be a very prophilactic pardon, meaning it goes
for many years, and it's for everything between.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
It goes from fourteen to twenty four years. Twenty years,
right yr Yeah, and so the hook Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Mean there's been questions raised about his brother. I have
no idea. I've read the stories and all of that
thing pardon everything party.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
And his wife is probably one of the worst ones.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
No, we have no, we have no knowledge of that
at all. I've never heard her name.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
Lincoln anything like you have to read. You have to
read laptop from hell. You have to read it and
then you'll see, all.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Right, just the book doesn't make it so DoD. I
love the fact that that you never equivocate. You are
always pretty clear once.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
You say I'm old and I'm clear. Welcome back, Dan,
It's wonderful to have you back.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Thanks. Nice to be so. It's nice to have someone
to come back to. Bruce is in Howe, Massachusetts, down
by the water. Bruce, youan next? uXt you right ahead?
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Hi?
Speaker 10 (14:49):
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Speaker 9 (14:49):
Yeah, I can almost see the waves from my property,
but not quite.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's okay. You can walk down of the the ocean.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Are go ahead, you you bitch. I gotta say Dot's
got a lot of nerve bringing up anything about taxes
when we have formerly a former president that has been
convicted of screw in the the city of New York,
but neither here nor there as far as Biden goes,
I totally expected him to pardon his son, and I
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wouldn't be surprised to be pardoned his brother. But I
would ask you, are you willing to devote his won
or put his one or two or however many lies
Biden has created or said against the un or tens
of thousands that Trump has lied about.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, I gotta be honest with you, Bruce. We're probably
gonna disagree on this, Okay.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Oh yeah, you could.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You could put up whatever you considered to be Donald
Trump's worst lies. And I don't know that there's any
lie that you could put up which would be as
bold faced as when President Biden was asked by David Muir,
will you pardon your son? I mean that was a
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pretty obvious question. What lie would you put up that
Donald Trump would have that would be as bold faced
as that?
Speaker 9 (16:07):
I couldn't tell you because I really don't recollect the
many many lives, so they must they must not.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Have been as bold I mean, this one's pretty easy
to you.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
Kind of recollect Trump line.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
You said that there were tens of thousands.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
No, No, I honestly can't.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
So therefore there's nothing so I put on the table, Bruce,
I'm just putting on the table. What you do. Remember
the interview that ABC had with and others that that,
but ABC actually asked the question for the first time
during the Normandy you know, the June sixth yepcast, and
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there was no there was no equivocation there. It wasn't like, look,
I'm disinclined at this moment, uh to even anticipate to
to entertain that question, because at that point, I don't
think the Sun had been convicted of any thing. I
think he was still in the trial process. So I
think that's pretty clear that that's one that that's why
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I wanted to lie.
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Oh it's a boldfaced lie. But my issue is, look
at the hundreds, and I can't pick a single one.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But that's the point. That's the point, the hundreds of thousands.
You can't think of one, right, you can't think of one.
Think about it. I would you say that.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
I know, I know it sounds stupid, but that's what
it does.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Sound stupid. Pro Bruce, I I be told I got
a break. I should have taken you that quickly. I
gotta run. Okay, we'll talk again. That's much sixty six
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Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I'm not going to short change your call or
I went a little long, so let me just reset
real quickly, and we got Jack and Newton on the
other side. Jack, I will get to you right after
the news at the bottom of the hour, but I'm
not going to short change her. I want to know
what you think of Joe Biden and has this changed
your opinion of Joe Biden at all? Or conversely, if
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you were the president of the United States and your
son was facing jail time, maybe not a lot of
jail time, but we're talking about done conviction and tax convictions.
And now again, in fairness to Hunter Biden paid that back.
(21:40):
But if you get caught by the I R S.
The President today said it was a The reason he's
doing the pardon is because it was a political prosecution,
a political prosecution by his own Justice department. I mean
that doesn't that doesn't ring true. I mean it wasn't
the Trump Justice Department that was prosecuting Hunter Biden. As
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a matter of fact, there was a period where if
it hadn't been for a judge in a federal judge
in New Jersey who insisted, excuse me, in Delaware who
insisted they had this wrapped up and he was going
to walk a year and a half ago, everything was
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going to be wrapped up in a nice tight little
bundle if anything at that point, and that was the
prosecutor Weiss, who eventually had to go back and bring
the charges against him. Look, this is the case of
ultimate white privilege when you really look at it, and
Joe Biden and Joe Biden, they're thrilled he's not going
to go to jail. Who wants to see their kid
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go to jail? Obviously, So my question on the other
side of it, if you were the president and you
had the authority, what would you do. This also makes it,
whether you like it or not, a little easier for
Donald Trump when he's in office to selectively pardon some
of the January sixth rioters. I might be as opposed
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to this as as well. But again, the Globe, the
article in the Globe, it's not the Globe, but the
article in the Globe says the headline, Biden's pardon of
his son exudes white privilege. Local advocates say, it's what's
being said six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. It's the
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story of the day. Did you believe Joe Biden when
he said it? We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b
Z Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Play very much, Dan Watkins. This is the statement from
the President which was released last night today. I signed
a pardon for my son Hunter. From the day took office.
I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department's
decision making, and I kept my word even as they
watched my son being selectively and unfairly prosecuted by his
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Justice Department. That's right, his Justice Department without aggravating factors
like use in a crime, multiple purchasers are buying a
weapon as a straw purchaser. People are almost never brought
to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled
out a gun form. Those who were late paying their
taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently
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with interest and penalties, are typically given non criminal resolutions.
It's clear that Hunter was treated differently. If Hunter's not
treated that way, The charges in his cases came about
only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated
them to attack me and oppose my election. Then a
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carefully negotiated plead deal agreed to by the Department of
justice unraveled in a court room with a number of
my political in front of a federal judge. He meant
he lacks to mention, fails to mention with a number
of my political opponents in Congress, taking credit for bringing
political pressure in the process. Had the plea deal held,
it would have been a fair reasonable resolution of Hunter's cases.
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Oh yeah, No reasonable person looks at the fact of
Hunter's cases can reach any other conclusion. I'm a reasonable person,
mister President, and I disagree with you on that one.
That Hunter was singled out only because he is my son,
and that's wrong. Hunter got away with a lot more
than that, and that's why you've given him a pardon.
From from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty four there's been
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an effort to break Hunter, who's been five and a
half years sober, even in the face of unrelenting attacks
and selective prosecution and trying to break Hunter. They tried
to break me. Ooh, and there's no reasonab believe it
will stop there. Enough is enough. For My entire career
followed a simple principle, just tell the American people the truth.
But I didn't tell the people the truth In June
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or in July, they'll be fair minded. Here's the truth. No,
the truth was what you said was the truth in June.
Mister President. I believe in the justice system, but I've
wrestled with this. I also believe raw politics has affected
this process and has led to a miscarriage of justice.
And once I made this decision this weekend at dinner,
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there was no sense of delaying it further, of course not.
I hope Americans will want to see why father and
the president would come to this decision. Do you understand it?
I don't. If he had equivocated and said back in June,
nothing has changed between now and June, nothing at all.
The question is will there be other Biden family members.
(26:39):
Let me go next to Jack and Newton. Jack, I
appreciate your holding through the news. I didn't want to
short change you.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Go right ahead, Hi, Jack, Porter look at as a
father myself, mister Bider acted like a father. I mean,
mister Trump would also partner his own son.
Speaker 12 (26:57):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Donald Trump has pardened other people's people, including you know,
relatives of non direct family members, but he never said
he would not pardon someone and then pardon them. That's
what I'm talking about Jack.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Well, it changed this mine. I think for two reasons.
Well one because well, if they lost the election, I mean,
if Kamala Harris had won, I don't think he would
have pardoned him because he could trust that Kamala would
you know, I don't know it wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I disagree with you. I bet you that when the
decision was made for him to leave SEP aside in
July and to basically he and the nomination over or
as I called it, the immaculate nomination over to Vice
President Harris, I suspect that there was an understanding, if
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not an agreement, that if she won, Hunter Biden would
be pardoned by her. That way, he could have kept
his promise that he would not pardon his son.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
And you know, the shock of mister Trump winning said no,
they're going to continue harassing him in prison and going
after my legacy and him.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And he was prosecuted by the Biden Justice Department. He
was not prosecuted by the Trump Justice Department.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I'm just saying that they would keep going after him,
you know, I'm I mean maybe, And he also felt
that because you know that he was a former a
drug addict and alcoholic he could relapse, and I think
people should be a little nicer out there.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, Jack, how about being nicer to the people in
prison who are not the son of the President of
the United States. Isn't this white privilege? Isn't this the
Globe will tell us tomorrow in one article that that
people are calling this the ultimate white privilege.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Well, that's a political correctness. I think that mister Biden
will will pardon some black people as well, So I
think that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
But how many how many black men? Uh, and maybe
black women are rotting in prison in this country for
crime similar to what Hunter Biden now has escaped, you know,
punishment for how many how many black men and black
women did Kamala Harris put in prison when she was
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Attorney general in the state of California, Uh, for doing
exactly what she had done, which was smoking marijuana.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
Well, as you look socialized, but there's a difference in
black are convicted compared to one. It's something that's obvious.
Things like the population is black.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
No, no, we know whoa whoa whoa. That's not true.
That's not true. Come on, that's that that's just not true.
I mean you there may be an overrepresentation of There
is an over representation of minorities black and probably Hispanics
as well in the American justice system, but it's not ninety.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Eight percently it's probably because they commit more crimes.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, but the question, the question is that they You
may argue that's what the conservatives have said for years,
But the question is is the prison Is the conviction
rate equivalent to the population. No, it's higher. And then
if if the argument is they that that the black
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population commits more crimes, prove it. You got to prove
that in.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
My In my they commit more crimes. But there's more
gangs and among black black gangs, and you know the
Chicano well.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Most I don't think there's any black members of the mafia.
The mafia has been been around for a while too.
I just think that we're going a little as straight
here Jack, and that that hunter Biden is very lucky
that his dad was elected president. And again I want
to emphasize this was the the Biden Justice Department. That
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you know, Joe Biden is not saying this was a
political prosecution by the Biden Justice Department. That doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Well, I think I'll be honest. Maybe your audience doesn't
like to hear this, but we have a lot more
serious problems than this. You know, two wars.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
We talked about, we talked, we talked about all of
those problems, Jack, But should I not? Should I ignore
this problem tonight, this story tonight?
Speaker 7 (31:42):
No, you can discuss it that. I think we should
go away and let them relax in Delaware and let
them move on with their lives and let's start anew
with a new president and let's move on. That's mine.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Do you do you think do you think that there's
there will be more pardons for Biden family members that
think this is it?
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Yeah, there's other family members that are going to prison.
What I didn't know there was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, they're there, they're his brother. There have been allegations.
No one else has been convicted, but if you fear
that someone may have ultimately be convicted, including maybe by
the Trump Justice Department, it would seem to me that
that once he leaves the White House on January twentieth,
his power is to pardon the commute sentences goes away.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Well as possible. You know, it's ironic, is that Lister Trump?
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
You know, pardon Charles Kershner.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
That's correct. I meant I just mentioned in Jack, but
he but no one had ever asked him ahead of that,
are you going to pardon the father of your son
in law? And if Donald Trump had said I'm not
going to pardon Charles ker Kushner, then he'd be in
the same position as as Biden tonight. I understand as
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a father that's what he might have done. But he
never should have said back in June when people asked him,
never should have said no.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Well, he changed his mind because by Trump one.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, that's why he changed his mind, because Trump won.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah, if Kamala Harris had won, it would be a
different story. I think.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Okay, all right, Jack.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
By the way, it's my birthday today. I know I
invited you to my birthday party, but I just wanted
to mention it's my birthday today.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So today's to day. The party's the fifteenth, correct.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Right, the party is the fifteenth, But today I can't.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I got to tell you, Jack, as much as I
would like to be there and I appreciated the invitation,
I was going to give you a call. I've got
a conflict that day and I can't attend. But if
today's your actual birthday. Happy birthday, Jacket. A round of
applause for Jack. It's not every day people turn thirty nine, Jack,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
That's right, I'm still thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Happy Happy birthday, Jack.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Okay, thank you, so have a great night.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
All right, go and take a quick break. Got some
open lines here which stuns me. Maybe everybody agrees that
what Joe Biden did was the proper thing. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
I think this is a really interesting topic, and I
think that this does more damage to the Democratic brand
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for this to go down this way. If Joe Biden
had not said anything and then turned around and in
early December issued a pardon, I just wonder if there's
going to be other partons. I I had recommended, you know,
a month ago, that maybe Donald Trump, when he met
with Joe Biden at the White House, that Donald Trump
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might have said to him and given him some insurance. Look,
I will take that burden as a as an olive branch.
I will take that burden, and I one of my
first acts will be to pardon your son. I think
that would have been a smart political move for Donald Trump.
Maybe disagree six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I'm trying
(35:12):
to make you think. That's all. I'm trying to make
you think. Back on night Side after this, Now.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nightside
Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
All right, I'll go to Ron and Weymouth. Ron, you
were next on Nightside. Your thoughts on the pardon that
President Biden has extended for his son.
Speaker 13 (35:31):
I will very quickly here, but before that, I will
not invite you to a birthday party, but I will
say Merry Christmas. If I don't hear from you again, well.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Merry Christmas to you. That's what I celebrate. So I
always like a specific of greed. And go ahead ahead, Ron.
Speaker 13 (35:47):
Now you remember President Ford coming into office pidon Nixon.
He didn't change his mind. It's a very different scenario
would republic and some Democrats, by the way, and the
Democrats use their old cuche, their old mechanism of operation,
which was give the people, say what the people want
when you see what they need or what they want,
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and what they wanted to, you know, was to say that, no,
I'm not going to pardon my son. But then when
they forget about it later on, Oh, they don't forget
about it. Sure they will not this time around, they didn't.
And then he'll change his mind and say, oh, I
decided to pardon my son Hunter. It doesn't work anymore, Dan,
(36:30):
or anybody out there listening. It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
By the way, just a quick comment, if you will.
I voted for Jimmy Carter in nineteen seventy six as
a young lawyer because I felt that Gerald Ford had
made a mistake in pardoning Richard Nixon. Subsequently, I think
Ford did the right thing because it was it healed
a nation's wound and people were able to pick up
(36:56):
and move on past the Nixton administration. I think Ford
did the right thing. In retrospect that I was wrong,
although I probably would have voted for Jimmy Carter anyway
because I like Carter. But and you can question my
judgment on that as well. But however, just in the
spirit of full disclosure, I tell you that, but this
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is a different This does nothing to heal a wound.
This rips the wound open, because what it says is
this is a you know, a dual class of justice
in this country if you're a connected person, which we've
known all along, but it's never been more obvious. And
then you have a president who lied in June. And
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don't tell me the president changed his mind, because I
believe that he lied in June.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
Right, And your idea of when you put this information
out for anybody to answer on, and I believe you
said what a president Trump after coming into office would
be a good thing. You didn't say you should do it,
but you asked the public on the radio tonight. Would
would that be a good idea? I don't think there'd
be a real good idea. It would heal some factions
(38:10):
of Democrats that did not go to Trump, but Trump
won in the lands. What the heck does he have
to heal anything for? I think would hurt Trump more
than help him. What does anybody else think about out today?
Speaker 9 (38:20):
I'll be listening to it all right, Thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
It's always great call. Thank you much quickly to the point,
that's what I appreciate. Let me go next to We're
going to go next to Ken in Waltham.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Ken.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
You were next on Nisager.
Speaker 12 (38:33):
Right ahead, h Danieah, I thought it was interesting when
you just mentioned that, you know, Trump could maybe help
unite the country by partnering Hunter Biden, because I think
he sort of just did the opposite by nominating uh
Caspitel as attorney General, who's really kind of verbally made
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it his mission to go after the Bidens no matter what.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
And rather you know, well, I don't necessarily think that
cash Patel is going to go after the Bidens. I
think that there may be others that that he might
want to go after. But well, well let me ask
you this Cash Patel, I guess has been will be
nominated or has been nominated. Uh, he has to get
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sent in approval to hit the FBI. Who else would
you expect Donald Trump to nominate to? I mean, this
is a Trump administration. He won the election. I mean,
you know, you may be disappointed in the nomination of Patel,
but who would you expect him to nominate. Would you
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expect him to nominate more? Heally for attorney for the
head of the FBI?
Speaker 13 (39:49):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (39:51):
John you maybe?
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I like h I think John you would have been
a great guy. And John is a smart guy. And
John doesn't have some of the bad I get that
some of these folks have, but again it doesn't I
guess what I'm saying is it just doesn't surprise me.
That's all. It's like all.
Speaker 12 (40:08):
My only point is, I mean Patel has made remarks,
sure he has, he is like really going after the Bidens,
for anyone who helped Joe Biden quote steal the election.
I mean it's possible that Biden over the weekend was saying,
you know, he is going to go after you know, me,
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my family, my son to any extent.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
And so I'm gonna so you're you're gonna You're gonna basically,
let let Joe Biden off. Let me ask you, do
you think when this an honest question, I know you're
gonna give me an honest answer. Do you think when
Joe Biden was asked that question by David Muir in
Normandy back in June, and Joe Biden said, nope, I'm
not going to give him a pardon not. Do you
think Joe Biden didn't know then that his intention was
(40:58):
to pardon his son. Do you really do you really
think he changed his mind? I'll take your answer to
it's an honest answer.
Speaker 12 (41:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I I think that. I mean,
I think if Harris had been elected, he maybe would
not have pardoned that son.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Well, sure, because then it's taken care of. But what
I'm saying is he had to know why that the
possibility existed. Maybe it was of course he was the
candidate at the time, and when he answered that question.
I mean, look, Republicans and Democrats. Oftentimes Republicans do win elections.
So I mean he asked him, would you pardon your son?
Speaker 12 (41:36):
So let me let me say no, Dan, Yeah, I'm
what I'm trying to say is I think at that
time he thought there were instances where he wouldn't pardon
this son. He could think of instances when he would.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Did you give a wide break a big break here?
Speaker 12 (41:54):
But I'm saying that he was not being truthful he
said I would not pardon my son. I think their
toothflow answer is there are instances.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
When I would.
Speaker 12 (42:04):
There are instances when I would.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Okay, fair enough, all right, but I will take I
will take that. Hey, Ken, I hate to do this year,
but I'm way past my break here and I get it,
and I get I'm good thing.
Speaker 12 (42:14):
I think I think the cast of the Tell thing
maybe twenty years from now, you'll say, you know, Biden
did the right thing, but what happened, No.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I don't think so. I would have been much happier
if Donald Trump had said, hey, you know what I'm
gonna you know, do the right thing for you, Joe Biden.
It would have been a would have been a way
to kind of bring the country. I don't think this
helps to bring.
Speaker 12 (42:36):
But again, nominating for telism the way to do that.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
So anyway, see that's who he's gonna that's who he's
going to nominate. That's who guys know who presidents nominate
the guy people who are going to be loyal. But whatever,
let's you know, and again, if Petel goes overboard, we'll
go right after. Trust me on that.
Speaker 12 (42:50):
Okay, I do, Dan, I'm a big fan. Thank you
very much.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Have a great night. Here comes the news at eleven
back fill up the lines. Coming back on Nightside right
after this
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