April 21, 2025 • 40 mins
On Easter Monday, Pope Francis, the first Latin American pontiff, died at the age of 88. Pope Francis is being remembered for his humble and more progressive style of leadership. As the 266th pope, he did things quite differently, more humbly, than his predecessors, for example, having chosen to live in the Santa Marta guest house in the Vatican rather than the traditional Apostolic Palace. The late Pope was more progressive in how he reformed the Vatican with his outreach to the LGBTQ community as well as his elevation of women to higher levels in the church than ever seen before. We heard your thoughts on the passing of Pope Francis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
His night side with Dan Ray W B. Constance new video.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All Right, Well, the big story of today, no matter
how you look at it, is not the fact that
Red Sox beat the White Sox or the fact that
the Celtics handily dealt with the Orlando Magic yesterday afternoon
at Boston Garden. The big story of the day was
the word breaking early this morning that the head of
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the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Francis, had passed away, not unexpectedly.
They had been sick for months, had always been, you know,
came to the to the to the papacy as as
somebody who well he's seventy five years old, but he
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had had a variety of illnesses in his life. Served
thirteen years is how I'm going to do the math here,
maybe eleven and a half, something like twelve years as pope,
and many of us this morning, I know I myself
and I'm sure many of you woke up to some
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form of a news report out of the blue, because
his death occurred, you know, in Rome at the Vatican overnight,
which was while most of us were sleeping, and these
stories broke anywhere between three, four, five, six o'clock in
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the morning, This is what its sounded like this morning
if you woke up to this. This is cut nineteen rop.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
This is a special report from ABC News. I'm Sheary Preston.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
PAULP.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Frances has died. He had been struggling with health problems
in recent months, but was seen briefly on the Vatican
balcony over Easter. However, the Vatican has confirmed this morning
the pope.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Has passed away.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
As ABC's Terry Moran reports, France was first elected to
replace Pope Benedict in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Big Moose Pop Bob.
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When this soft spoken man emerged out of the balcony
at Saint Peter's.
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With a humble bow to the faithful and.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Praying the our Father.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
But I saida.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You expected a pope who would so radically transform the
face of the papacy and the spirit of Catholics around
the world. The first Latin American Pope, Jorge Mario Burgoglio.
He grew up in Buenos Aires, Argentina, the son of
an Italian immigrant.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Francis the first pope from the Southern Hemisphere and the
first born outside Europe since the eighth century. This is
ABC News.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So that was the report this morning. Again not stunning,
not a stunning surprise, but certainly whenever something of that
magnitude happens and we take notice. As the ABC News
report I mentioned, and this was something that I was
unaware of. I guess when they go back and they
do the history here, I guess there's been two hundred
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and sixty six popes, and of course goes back all
the way to Saint Peter. So we're talking about a
church with a history of at least, well, how you
want to describe it, about two thousand years. It is
believed that Jesus died in thirty three AD, depending upon
how you count the years. There were eleven non European
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popes in the Early Church, and the last it did
pass in seven forty one, Pope Gregory third, who came
from the region of the world which is now Syria.
The early popes, many of them came from what we
now think of as the Middle East. So what I'd
like to do tonight is spend a little bit of
time giving you your chance to reflect on this papacy.
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I don't know how many of you have seen the
movie Conclave, a movie that was very popular. There was
also a movie on the life and the relationship between
the two popes. When Pope Benedict was alive, he was
the pope that resigned that paved the way for last
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He lasted several years as a Pope emeritus. He was
the first pope I believe to have resigned the papacy,
and so there was a period of time where we
had a former pope and a living pope, and Pope
Francis Benedict passed I believe it was in twenty twenty two,
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and obviously Francis passed away this morning. I don't know
if you've seen the movie Conclave. I watched it wasn't
particularly happy with it. I thought that it was historically correct,
and it was shot well and all of that, but
I also thought there was a lot of sort of intrigue,
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which I'm sure was put in for dramatic purposes. Pope
Francis one of the responsibilities that he had was to
obviously try to reach back to those who had been
victims of the pedophile priest scandal that reached back into
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the last century, into the nineteen hundreds, and that is
still royally the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has not
recovered from that. But I'd be interested in where you
think the College of Cardinals will go if you happen
to be Catholic and you have some insight as to
whether you would like to see everything that Pope Francis,
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who was considered to be pretty liberal in terms of
popes and very progressive on some of the social issues.
He didn't change any of the fundamental tenets of the
Catholic Church. Or would you like to see a pope
that might come from a different personerspective if you're looking
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for a pope with a different perspective, we keep the
name Cardinal of Peter Erdo in your mind. He's seventy
two years old and is the Cardinal of Budapest, Hungary.
He is a close friend of the Prime Minister of Hungary,
Victor Auburn, who is sort of considered the Donald Trump
of Europe. If you will the candidate that most have tried, well,
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it is really true that most of my reading today
have suggested is the cardinal former Cardinal of the Philippines,
Lewis Antonio Dogla Dogley. He would be the first Asian pope.
And there's also a cardinal from Ghana, Cardinal Peter Turkran,
who is seventy six years old, a little older but
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certainly within that age range, who would be the first
black pope. And there are others who have been mentioned,
and that won't take place until Pope Francis is inturred uh,
and then there will be the the conclave of the
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Cardinals and we'll have a new pope at some point
or the world will have a new pope at some
point in the if not late April, that might be
too soon, sometime probably in early May. So I'm going
to open the phone lines up here. I hope that
you'd like to reflect on his passing, give your assessment
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of how significant a pope he will be. I think
pretty significant pope, having been in the office for just
a little shy or twelve years twelve years and certainly
took the church in a different direction in some in
some areas uh, and held self steadfast in others six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I realized that the Catholic Church is not as significant
an institution religiously as it might have been fifty years ago.
But there is a sense that the Catholic Church is
rebounding a little bit. I know that the Cardinal of
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New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, I think would be a
magnificent pope. I'm not sure that the cardinals from scattered
to all the four corners of the world are likely
to choose an American. But there's never been a pope
from the United States. And I would think that there
is no branch of the Catholic Church which is more
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supportive financially of the Catholic Church than the United States.
And I think that Cardinal Timothy Dolan, a very gregarious gentleman,
would would be a great twenty first century pope for
the Church if they chose that, if they went in
that direction, or they may decide to go again for
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another or they may come back to Europe again. Bennett,
you know Benedict was German and before him John Paul
the Second was from Poland. So we have we've watched
to talk about six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Your thoughts
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in the passing of Pope Francis and where which direction
does the Catholic Church attack in under the leadership of
a new pope. The name of whom, of course, none
of us can be certain of for sure, we'll be
back on nights. I feel free to light the lines
up six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six
one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. I am not
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an expert on this. I guarantee you that I am
a Catholic Roman Catholic, an imperfect Roman Catholic, no doubt, uh,
as I guess all of us are. But i'd love
to get your your thoughts. Is this still relevant to you?
It is to me, I hope it is to you.
We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
All right, let's go to the phone see what people
have to say. Let me go first off to Paul
in Pennsylvania. Paul, welcome. You were first this hour on Nightside,
remembering the or talking speaking about the passing of Pope Francis.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Gordhad Paul, Yes, uh, yes, there. I'm really shocked by
the hall tame because he was just I just watched
the world it was yesterday, and he showed him and
the people were charing at him and they showed him shaken.
You know, we're not shaking this happen. They showed him
with the Vice President Advance and right friend called it
this morning, told me I thought it was a bad joke.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, no, I hear you on that one. It was.
I mean, we knew he was sick. Uh and uh
as I as I sometimes like to say to friends mine,
no one gets out of the place alive, even a pope.
But yeah, I was shocked about it. He had met
with Vice President Vance. Someone sent me uh an email
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today that there were no pictures uh released by the Vatican. Well,
there was a picture released by the Vatican. There was
someone who wanted, I think to uh diminish the visit
by Vice President in Vance, like somehow the pope refused
to be in the same picture as a vice president
that was that is not true. But yeah, he was
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active to the end. You can you know, you know,
I guess all of us would love to be to
be working or you know, at least compassmentus until the
final hours.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I think in history, like the most the most, the
most major thing about it was going to be the
fact that he was the first Jesuit pope ever and
it's hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, well that's an aspect of a first pope from
the southern hem sphere. It was funny they kept referring
to as the first post pulp of Latin America. I
think of North America and South America, and I think
of Latin America as Columbia, Venezuela. You know, some of
the uh, the countries Mexico would be a little bit
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of maybe Mexico's North America, but anything south of Mexico
I think as being Latin Latin America Al Salvador in
those countries. But they now apparently consider everything south of
Mexico Latin America, all the way down at the Falklands.
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
He was Uh, he definitely had You're right, he definitely
has a legacy. He was very He opened up the
church in a lot of ways. And uh, I don't
know what direction they're gonna go, And I really can't say.
I don't know if they're gonna robut you'll stand by
and just think somebody right from Italy like they did
for you know, I robbery years in a row. You know,
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when they picked up Paul a second, I almost fell over,
but uh yeah, I under.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, people people forget that there was John Paul the
first who only was pope for a month. Do you
remember do you remember that?
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Right? But he was only he was he was he
was from Italy and Josh right, yeah, yeah, and then
and then followed did they have bets? Followed? That even
was even more shocking. But uh, I don't know what
direction is going to go down. A lot of people
think maybe from Africa, maybe somebody who was maybe a
Arab heritage, maybe somebody from camp I don't think it's
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gonna be somebody from North America. There's something that I
would I would.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's funny because you know, the Catholic churches having a
growth in uh in population in different parts of the world.
You know, when you and I were younger, they used
to talk about sending missionaries from America to places like
Asia and Africa. Now, uh, they're they're sending priests from
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Asia and Africa to to America.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
We're running I was running out of priests, out of
our very fight priest too for that matter. But I
just I just I just like to say, you know,
when I remember the pope I think of that, I
think it's second Timothy. I'm gonna mess it all up,
But it's I finished the race. I have, you know,
kept the faith. I have fought. They couldn't fight. They
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probably haven't in wrong order, but I think he might.
I can think of that because I think the man
when he was died in the hospital, somehow he just
persevered and I don't know how he did it, but
he got His goal is to get the East, and
he did it.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So yeah, I'm sure that was on his mind, and
and I'm sure he would. I'm sure that he would
have taken that deal. You know, when he was really
near death a few weeks ago in that hospital and
you you didn't think he was going to get out
of the hospital. I'm sure he would have taken the deal,
that's for sure. But hopefully he is. If he's not
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in a far better place, then probably you and I
don't have much of a chance, if you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Okay, no we don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thank you. Thank you for the call. Appreciated, all right,
So we get back to back calls here from pennsylvani
You're gonna go to Bill in Pennsylvania next Bill, Welcome
next to Knightsiger.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Go ahead, Yeah, thank you, DN. Hey, I uh, in
my mind, I know the guys in heaven. Okay, let's
start out with that. You know, the Catholic Church they
make saints, but they've never in the history of the
church said that after somebody died, that person went to hell.
Uh that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
I think, yeah, well, I think they they even you know,
I think that the Catholic theology, and I'm not a theologian,
but I think that the Catholic theology that I grew
up was with was that even if somebody had lived
a horrible life, if they had a sincere deathbed conversion,
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that that that would save them.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know if that's you know, you like to
think of that, but you know, there's a lot of
people in the world who you would think, you know,
you think of Hitler and some of those you know, yeah,
men affect the million of other people.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
You know, look at the Saul. Saul was a you know,
murdered hundreds of people, maybe thousands, and and uh was
struck off his horse and uh and turned into Paul
and look at all.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No, I I understand the teachings. I just think that
he did a lot of uh, you know work after
he was hit by lightning or whatever it was. That
took him off the horse. I just think about some
of these people in the world who you know, I mean,
you know, again some of them were not we're not Catholic.
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But I think about you know, Mile say Tong, how
many millions of people that he'd kill, Genghis Khan, how
many millions of people that he killed, Adolf Hitler, you know,
his his legacy, you know, and if there are but
but again that's what that's the Catholic theology that you
can you can have that deathbed conversion if it's sincere.
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I mean, I don't think that, you know, before Hitler
blew his brains out in the bunker, in the bunker
in Berlin with Ava Braun, that he could have said,
you got, I really regret everything I did. And by
the way, I about to blow my brains out.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's that's stuff that's so far over my head academically
or intellectually. Will leave that to the theologians, the people
who can tell you how many angels fit on the
head of a pin. If you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Yeah, I know what you're saying. There's always they always
bought us. You know, Pope is infallible and he's infallible
and religious matters.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
On matters of faith in morals is what we were
what we were.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Talking about, right, And but it's as far as politics
and stuff like that, not so much because I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Right, yeah, yeah. And also I think, and we have
some people in the audience. My understanding is that if
he was speaking what's called ex cathedra, meaning you know,
from the from the chair of Saint Peter, on some
religious issue dealing with faith and morals, you had to
accept that because he was saying that, you know, from
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But look, the world has changed since since you and
I went to elementary school, and uh, you know, we
found a lot of fallibility, uh, in all of ourselves
and in our friends and the people who we came
to rely upon, whether they were bishops or politicians or whatever.
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So you know, I'm glad that I don't have to
sort this stuff out. Bill. You know, I got enough
trouble running my talk show.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
You do you do a fantastic job, or I wouldn't
look to you every night. Hey, there's a couple of
questions for you. There's about the seventy million Catholics in
the United States today now Jesuits, as I understand it.
Back in the day. They were founded around fifteen forty
or something like that, and they were the early on,
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they were the enforcers. They were they were the enforcers
of the of the Catholic Church, because then they turned
into the to the educators of the church. And that
being the case, which Catholic university do you think Jesuit
is the most prestigious in the eyes of the Catholic Church?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, I don't know. I mean, as a hometown boy,
I would say Boston College, but I suspect it's Georgetown.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Now, you got it, right, Dan, Georgetown, Now just just
think in my mind, Okay, Georgetown, all right, I'm thinking,
And uh, I think maybe he was a humble man
and he was a wonderful peacemaker, and uh, I'm sure
he's at heaven, but I believe at times when he
was at the Vatican, vrat Agin, like every other place
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in and around it has a has a bureaucracy, and
the bureaucracy over the.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, the turf is the curier. You know, go ahead, Yeah, So.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
They have this bureaucracy and they bring they bring this guy,
this Jesuit, the first Jesuit. A lot of them do
not like jesuits. Okay, they just they're outsiders, right. So anyways,
they bring this jesuit up from from Argentina. Okay, and
when he gets there, Dan, I tell you, okay, I
bet you there was some people that didn't like that move.
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And uh and and then uh, you know, plodded against
him a certain things. But I think I think they
had a way of manipulating him and uh, going a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Too far left.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Because I know a lot of Catholics, a lot of
good Catholics. It would tell me this, Hey, Bill, you
remember when we were kids, the joke was is a
pope Catholic? Yeah, and then they come to today and
they'd say, you know this, this, this, this pope we
have right now, is the Pope Catholic? Because he was
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doing you know, so far went so far left.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But all in all, well, hed he tended to ask questions.
I mean he tended to you know, my interpretation of
was he was he was trying to open up people's
minds too, you know, to the fact that that no
one is perfect. The only perfect person we celebrated his
resurrection yesterday. Uh, and by that standard, no one else
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is perfect. So when he was asked questions about gay
marriage and stuff like that. Who was he to judge?
And I think that a lot of Americans are comfortable
with that, you know. I don't want to judge someone else.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
No, no, but but I think.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
On some of the substance substantive issues, I don't know
that he took us in into different direction. And there
may be there may be a success. And who's gonna say, hey,
it's time to have women priests? I don't know, you know,
I mean, I guess I used to know how to
say this in French. But the but the only thing
that uh that that doesn't changes, that change always changes,
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you know whatever, you know. I learned that in French
and I've forgotten it. But you know, the only the
only thing that's certain has change, I guess is what
it comes down to. So we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Who who said he was open? I'm sure he's in heaven.
And I get a suggestion for you, Dan, which if
I yea, when you have a chance down the road
here somewhere, can you put a program together some night
about uh double standards? Okay, because right now there's so
many glaring double standards. For instance, let me. Just give
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you one instance. Okay, all these so called journalists that
are going crazy about this, this guy down in El Salvador. Okay,
but at the same time, okay, you had Obama. Okay,
actually have another.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But Bill, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Bill, You're
opening up a can of worms for me, which is
going to take the conversation away from where we talk
about double standards. We talk about double standards all the time.
And uh and you know you listen to my show,
you know what we talk about. So we will we
will get to that at some point. I promise and
call me off here and we can we can have
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a longer conversation. Rob will give you my direct number,
and you call me during the day and I'll call
you back off here. Feel feel free Bill to to
Rob give Bill my direct number and we can have
that conversation off here. I want to focus on the
passing of Pope Francis tonight. Thanks Bill. Six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty one line there six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. If this is not a
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topic that interests you and you do not want to
comment on it, we can move this couple of other
topics I have in mind. I just think it's an
important day, not only for the Catholic Church, which is
an important institution in this country. Whether you agree with it,
I disagree with it, or whether you agree with part
of it or not. We'll be back on Nightside. Feel
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free to join the conversation. The lines are wide open.
Coming back right after this.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
We're talking about the passing of Pope Francis, major political leader.
Whether you happen to be Catholic or not, feel free
to join the conversation. I'm surprised that well, I think
that there are still some people out there who do
still go to church. I see the most every Sunday
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where I attend church. I think this is a significant event.
It doesn't have the political drama that the resignation of
a president does or something of that magnitude. But this
is an individual who was considered the spiritual leader. The
Pope is considered the spiritual leader of a one point
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three billion people. That's about the same size as the
population of China. Just to put it in some perspective.
Feel free. And the question that I'm asking is where
do you think the direction of the Catholic Church will
be with the next pope. Will it continue along this
I would say, progressive tendency that Pope Francis established, or
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will the church tack back more towards a Pope John
Paul the second pope possibility. Uh. This will all be resolved,
probably within the next two to three weeks. Uh, and
so we will have some certainty about it. But I'd
love to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Six seven thirty six, seven nine three one ten thirty.
Then go to Mary in Hyde Park, God's Country. Hi, Mary,
how are you?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Dan, Thanks for taking my call. And I didn't call
it answer that question, but I did call us say something.
Pope Francis was one of my favorite popes, and I
remember he said that all well, that he believed the
dogs went to heaven. And that was one of the
things that sold on sold me on him because he
used to say a lot of things that you didn't
hear from the you know, the folks in general. But
why I called this because I believe I heard you
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say that one of the people that might be considered
would be the first black pope we've had in the
early years of the Catholic Church, three Black Popes.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I used to have the.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Book, but I got it from my father. But other
people had the book as well. They told you who
the three black popes were really get it from the bookstore.
I think it was the Sisters of Saint Paul. It
was located down on Chremont Street, across from the Commons.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Used to be able to.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Get the book there. Years ago in the early ages.
I remember Jackie Robinson, which president of the n e
ACMP Boston Ranch, had a bet with some professional people
that there were three black popes. They didn't believe him.
It was one hundred dollars beck He got the book
in and he got the one hundred dollars and people
were astonished.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, i'm looking at something right here. Okay, yeah, hold
on for a second. I'm looking at something from and.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
The other two were African. This is what they're saying now.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But it was okay, Well, let me help you out here, okay, Ary,
let me help you out Okay. I'm looking at a
website that is entitled Black Catholic Messenger. So this is
a group of people and there's a gentleman named Ralph
Moore who wrote this article and he says this was
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written back at the time of the passing of Pope Benedict,
which was well, this was January two, twenty twenty three.
The church's records tell us they will potentially. The emphasis
is on the word potentially. Three black popes and Atholic history.
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Pope Victor, the first, who headed the church from one
eighty nine to one ninety nine, Pope Militiades who was
from three eleven to three fourteen, that's a very brief time,
four years, three years. And Pope JEALOUSI s g E
La si U s the first, who was pope from
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four ninety two to four ninety six. So we're talking
about the earliest days of the church. All of these popes,
I guess have been declared saints by the Catholic Church.
And the reigns of the three African pontiffs were more
brief than those of contemporary popes because life expectancy was
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shorter than said. The popes were all profound individuals. Pope Victor,
for example, declared that Easter must be celebrated only on
a Sunday and dictated that anyone disagreed to disobeyed would
be accountable to him and excommunicated, and it goes goes
on to give us information about it said it also
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said to be Victor, who began the transition of the
Western Church's mass to the Latin language as opposed to
the vernacular at the time, which was Greek. And his
feast day is celebrated by Catholics each year on July
twenty eighth. So yeah, this isn't this is an interesting
article that no, it doesn't seem to it. Again, I'm
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reading it as we speak here, and again I think
that that this is the opinion of one man. He
doesn't cite the book from what I can see as
a source, but obviously this is his belief. And you
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know the problem is, you know Gez who lived in
the Middle East, was you know, born in the you know, Bethlehem,
and what now you know is would be Israel or
potentially you know Gazer or wherever. How do you know
what you know? There have been two hundred and sixty
(30:17):
six popes, so they're certainly in modern times has never
been a black pope, and there is a pope. There
is a cardinal from Ghana whose name is Carter. Cardinal
Peter Turksen, who is seventy six years of age and
is considered to be possibly possibly a successor to Pope Francis.
(30:42):
But we'll see.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Okay, I just want to say that I'm going to
find that book and I'm going to call you back
at a lay to date and tell you what it
is or maybe send you a copy. But I'm very
disappointed because I thought you were going to tell me
to go stand on my head because most people don't
know about that, so I appreciate you looking it up.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So wait, wait, so you're disappointed or your please.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
On my head or something like, oh, why.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Would I say that? No, if if you want, ROB
will give you my direct line and if you want
to call me, uh and if I if I can't
get to you, I'll call you back. No need to
send me the book. I have too many books. I
don't have as many books as David BRUDNOI had, but
my wife keeps telling me I got to get rid
(31:25):
of books, so I don't need more books. But but
you know, if you want to tell me the book,
I can. I can find the book on the on
the web, okay, obviously.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
And if they're when you go to the bookstore.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It's very hard Well, I'm not looking for a copy
of If you want to send me the title of
the book, I'm sure I can. I can track it down. Okay,
So stay there and Rob a gring my direct number. Okay, thanks, Mary, Okay,
gonna take a break. I'd love to get a couple
more calls in six one seven. Mary just hung up?
Did Mary not want to talk to you? Okay, yep,
(31:58):
she seemed to be in a rush. That's okay, Mary,
callback and Rob will give you my direct line if
you'd like to talk with me. But please, I don't
need more books. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Feel free
to join the conversation. I'm going to switch topics at
eleven because this conversation, this topic, I thought we'd have
(32:20):
more interest amongst my audience. A little disappointed in that,
but that's okay. The audience dictates our subjects, what subjects
we stick with and what subjects we move on from.
I thought some of you would like to say something
nice about the passing of Pope Francis. You have a
couple of more minutes if you'd like to call six
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one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. Back on night Side right.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
After this, It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, let's get back to call. It's going to
go to my friend Nikita Nikita from Malden. Hi, Nikita,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Okay, good, I'm doing good. Dan. I just want to
chime in on the on the passing of Pope Francis Princess.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yes, but then you say, let me say something. The
three parts that the previous colors said were black, they
were North African. Okay, they were North African. They are
not really considered black in the modern term. Do you
know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Were they were? They were they from? Let me ask
you this, Nikita. Were they from countries like Syria and
that that's part of the world.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
No, No, they are from North Africa. Yeah, they are
from North Africa.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah they there was. Yeah, there was a list that
I saw today of eleven popes and I think one
of them was from what is now called Libya, which
is North Africa.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So yeah, no, North Africa.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yes, there were no pictures of so they have no
you know, I mean, that's there's a little speculative, but yeah,
I know what you say.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Go right ahead anyway. Yes, So I've been following Pope
Francis since the day he was elected. I was elected
because I remember I was coming from BC this day
that much, and I was going from a job here
from BC. I said to myself, Wow, I'm coming from
BC and a jesse it is elected Pope. What a
time incidents? And yeah, yeah. And also I met him.
(34:23):
I was in a room in twenty fourteen for a
cardinal HISTI cadinal was being consecrated. If for me, so
I met him. I fansist in room back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So so you met you mete Francis.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
I saw him, you know, I was at the ordination.
So I've I've met him. I've seen him in person.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So I why did I wasn't sure if you were
had an audience and actually, you know, shook his hand
or something.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
Okay, I just I just saw him in person, and
I had a paper audists. There was the people audience,
the one at Saint Peter's Square, So I saw him there.
But Saint Paul John, Saintpaul jump pop Saint John Paul Paul.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
What I'm I saying the second jump Paul two, John
Paul two.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
So I know him. I know him because I had
to push I was a Volunti Beilie volunteer in two
thousand and I had to push the Pop mobile. I
was hurting around the Vaticans. So I've seen him and
I was close to Pop Saint Paul's John Porto.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Wo. Yeah, I didn't realize that that you had gotten
to go to Rome, that that offered. That's wonderful.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
No, only went twice. I only want twice in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
So and I took some listeners. I took some listeners
to Italy. Well, I shouldn't say I took I was
accompanied by some listeners on a trip to Italy last summer.
We went to Rome and toured the Vatican, which was
very you know, very very have really had a chance
to see all the inner world kings and you know,
(36:01):
talk to like members of the Swiss Guard and all
of that. And then we went a little south to
to the Amalfi coast. But it was an interesting ten days,
that's for sure. And I made a lot of friends
on that trip.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Yes, so yeah, so I really la points. So it
was really a people's pope. So he had to for
the immigrants, for the poor.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean was that was that was that was his
Here was his legacy. I they jump all. The second
stood firmly in the face of both the Nazis as
a young priest in the eighteen forties and and stared
down the Communists while he was the the the bishop
and the archbishop of Krakow. So they did both, you know,
(36:47):
both were great men in their in their time.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
Also went to Haiti. So after he left Haiti, he said,
when he went to Haiti, said that has to change.
And baby Doug had left three years after there was
evolution when the pope came and said, that has to change.
And that's so, I mean, baby, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And unfortunately it hasn't. It's changed, and it is still
a very tough situation down there. The people of Hay
are suffering greatly.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Yes, yes, change for the words, Nikita, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Always great to hear your voice. You're always welcome here,
you know that. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, thanks, okay, bye,
We go to Rick and Bill. Rick, Rick, want to
get you and maybe one more in here before we
change topics. Hi, Rick, how are you.
Speaker 10 (37:32):
I'm doing well. I gave up sweets for Lent and
now my stomach is filled and uh, and I'm thinking
I'm fat. So you know, I really, I really spirts
spurts tonight. And I don't feel that bad about it.
I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Good.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
What I wanted to say, I don't know if you're.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Laughing or not.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I laughing, Yes, I am.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
What I wanted to say is quite honestly. I don't
have a strong opinion about friends. But I returned to church.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
A year ago.
Speaker 10 (38:04):
I watched on TV for a year and returned to
church a year ago. My blessed mother in heaven. I
hope she's in heaven. She should be. I mean, just
like your mom. You know they're not. We're in trouble.
But yeah, but but I'm delighted to be back. I
wasn't for twenty years because I was totally pissed off
about the scandal. But I realized that that horrible stuff
(38:25):
was going on for centuries and yep, probably thou a
thout fifteen hundred years, who knows, it's just that deconens.
And but I'm glad that the church has addressed it
and uh, and one.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You don't need you don't need to use that that
that verb again, you you don't you know, please just
you're in a radio station. Go ahead. You were upset,
you were upset, Okay, that's yeah, that's a good word.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
That's a better way to use it. I was upset
when when healthy congregations were being closed.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Paid for this, me too, Me too. I was very upset. Absolutely,
I share that too with you.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
Yeah, that's why I left. That's why I left, and
it would take twenty years to come back. And I'm
happy to be back. But I'm sad today that he's gone.
I'm sad that he's gone, and I, you know, I
just I appreciate going back. So that's my opinion. It's
kind of.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Appreciate, appreciate you checking in. I'm going to try to
sneak one more caller in here before we change topics.
So I thank you for Carlin as always, and we'll talk. So,
thank you much. Mona in Halifax, you're very late, Mona.
I can give you about thirty seconds. What would you
what would you like to say?
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Go ahead?
Speaker 11 (39:38):
No, I I just wanted to say my savas first
cousin in Ireland, is Archbishop arch Biship in Ireland. He
got trans fair to stay in but six months ago,
year ago, and he was no old trainer and my
sister went to visit him and my cousin he antagged
him to the bishop house in fun. His story is
(40:01):
he was, you know, picked him off in the car.
There was a great time. Then they wanted to go
out on the town at night, and he said you
would leave the key out. And when they got as
it wasn't quite late, but it was late and they
we're knocking knocking on the door.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
They were locked out.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
He forgot to leave the key out.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh well, that's that's a lesson to be learned. Mona.
I gotta let you run here. I got the news coming.
I wish you would call a little earlier. Okay, it
comes to eleven. Thanks Mona, have a great night. Good night.
We will change topics right after the eleven o'clock he
was going to talk about that controversy over the women's
(40:39):
space flight. Was it really a space flight? We'll see
after the eleven
His night side with Dan Ray W B. Constance new video.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All Right, Well, the big story of today, no matter
how you look at it, is not the fact that
Red Sox beat the White Sox or the fact that
the Celtics handily dealt with the Orlando Magic yesterday afternoon
at Boston Garden. The big story of the day was
the word breaking early this morning that the head of
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the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Francis, had passed away, not unexpectedly.
They had been sick for months, had always been, you know,
came to the to the to the papacy as as
somebody who well he's seventy five years old, but he
(00:54):
had had a variety of illnesses in his life. Served
thirteen years is how I'm going to do the math here,
maybe eleven and a half, something like twelve years as pope,
and many of us this morning, I know I myself
and I'm sure many of you woke up to some
(01:14):
form of a news report out of the blue, because
his death occurred, you know, in Rome at the Vatican overnight,
which was while most of us were sleeping, and these
stories broke anywhere between three, four, five, six o'clock in
(01:36):
the morning, This is what its sounded like this morning
if you woke up to this. This is cut nineteen rop.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
This is a special report from ABC News. I'm Sheary Preston.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
PAULP.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Frances has died. He had been struggling with health problems
in recent months, but was seen briefly on the Vatican
balcony over Easter. However, the Vatican has confirmed this morning
the pope.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Has passed away.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
As ABC's Terry Moran reports, France was first elected to
replace Pope Benedict in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Big Moose Pop Bob.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
When this soft spoken man emerged out of the balcony
at Saint Peter's.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
With a humble bow to the faithful and.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Praying the our Father.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
But I saida.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You expected a pope who would so radically transform the
face of the papacy and the spirit of Catholics around
the world. The first Latin American Pope, Jorge Mario Burgoglio.
He grew up in Buenos Aires, Argentina, the son of
an Italian immigrant.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Francis the first pope from the Southern Hemisphere and the
first born outside Europe since the eighth century. This is
ABC News.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So that was the report this morning. Again not stunning,
not a stunning surprise, but certainly whenever something of that
magnitude happens and we take notice. As the ABC News
report I mentioned, and this was something that I was
unaware of. I guess when they go back and they
do the history here, I guess there's been two hundred
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and sixty six popes, and of course goes back all
the way to Saint Peter. So we're talking about a
church with a history of at least, well, how you
want to describe it, about two thousand years. It is
believed that Jesus died in thirty three AD, depending upon
how you count the years. There were eleven non European
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popes in the Early Church, and the last it did
pass in seven forty one, Pope Gregory third, who came
from the region of the world which is now Syria.
The early popes, many of them came from what we
now think of as the Middle East. So what I'd
like to do tonight is spend a little bit of
time giving you your chance to reflect on this papacy.
(03:49):
I don't know how many of you have seen the
movie Conclave, a movie that was very popular. There was
also a movie on the life and the relationship between
the two popes. When Pope Benedict was alive, he was
the pope that resigned that paved the way for last
(04:11):
He lasted several years as a Pope emeritus. He was
the first pope I believe to have resigned the papacy,
and so there was a period of time where we
had a former pope and a living pope, and Pope
Francis Benedict passed I believe it was in twenty twenty two,
(04:31):
and obviously Francis passed away this morning. I don't know
if you've seen the movie Conclave. I watched it wasn't
particularly happy with it. I thought that it was historically correct,
and it was shot well and all of that, but
I also thought there was a lot of sort of intrigue,
(04:53):
which I'm sure was put in for dramatic purposes. Pope
Francis one of the responsibilities that he had was to
obviously try to reach back to those who had been
victims of the pedophile priest scandal that reached back into
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the last century, into the nineteen hundreds, and that is
still royally the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has not
recovered from that. But I'd be interested in where you
think the College of Cardinals will go if you happen
to be Catholic and you have some insight as to
whether you would like to see everything that Pope Francis,
(05:39):
who was considered to be pretty liberal in terms of
popes and very progressive on some of the social issues.
He didn't change any of the fundamental tenets of the
Catholic Church. Or would you like to see a pope
that might come from a different personerspective if you're looking
(06:01):
for a pope with a different perspective, we keep the
name Cardinal of Peter Erdo in your mind. He's seventy
two years old and is the Cardinal of Budapest, Hungary.
He is a close friend of the Prime Minister of Hungary,
Victor Auburn, who is sort of considered the Donald Trump
of Europe. If you will the candidate that most have tried, well,
(06:26):
it is really true that most of my reading today
have suggested is the cardinal former Cardinal of the Philippines,
Lewis Antonio Dogla Dogley. He would be the first Asian pope.
And there's also a cardinal from Ghana, Cardinal Peter Turkran,
who is seventy six years old, a little older but
(06:49):
certainly within that age range, who would be the first
black pope. And there are others who have been mentioned,
and that won't take place until Pope Francis is inturred uh,
and then there will be the the conclave of the
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Cardinals and we'll have a new pope at some point
or the world will have a new pope at some
point in the if not late April, that might be
too soon, sometime probably in early May. So I'm going
to open the phone lines up here. I hope that
you'd like to reflect on his passing, give your assessment
(07:30):
of how significant a pope he will be. I think
pretty significant pope, having been in the office for just
a little shy or twelve years twelve years and certainly
took the church in a different direction in some in
some areas uh, and held self steadfast in others six one, seven, two, five,
(07:54):
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I realized that the Catholic Church is not as significant
an institution religiously as it might have been fifty years ago.
But there is a sense that the Catholic Church is
rebounding a little bit. I know that the Cardinal of
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New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, I think would be a
magnificent pope. I'm not sure that the cardinals from scattered
to all the four corners of the world are likely
to choose an American. But there's never been a pope
from the United States. And I would think that there
is no branch of the Catholic Church which is more
(08:42):
supportive financially of the Catholic Church than the United States.
And I think that Cardinal Timothy Dolan, a very gregarious gentleman,
would would be a great twenty first century pope for
the Church if they chose that, if they went in
that direction, or they may decide to go again for
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another or they may come back to Europe again. Bennett,
you know Benedict was German and before him John Paul
the Second was from Poland. So we have we've watched
to talk about six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Your thoughts
(09:24):
in the passing of Pope Francis and where which direction
does the Catholic Church attack in under the leadership of
a new pope. The name of whom, of course, none
of us can be certain of for sure, we'll be
back on nights. I feel free to light the lines
up six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six
one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. I am not
(09:46):
an expert on this. I guarantee you that I am
a Catholic Roman Catholic, an imperfect Roman Catholic, no doubt, uh,
as I guess all of us are. But i'd love
to get your your thoughts. Is this still relevant to you?
It is to me, I hope it is to you.
We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
All right, let's go to the phone see what people
have to say. Let me go first off to Paul
in Pennsylvania. Paul, welcome. You were first this hour on Nightside,
remembering the or talking speaking about the passing of Pope Francis.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Gordhad Paul, Yes, uh, yes, there. I'm really shocked by
the hall tame because he was just I just watched
the world it was yesterday, and he showed him and
the people were charing at him and they showed him shaken.
You know, we're not shaking this happen. They showed him
with the Vice President Advance and right friend called it
this morning, told me I thought it was a bad joke.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, no, I hear you on that one. It was.
I mean, we knew he was sick. Uh and uh
as I as I sometimes like to say to friends mine,
no one gets out of the place alive, even a pope.
But yeah, I was shocked about it. He had met
with Vice President Vance. Someone sent me uh an email
(11:10):
today that there were no pictures uh released by the Vatican. Well,
there was a picture released by the Vatican. There was
someone who wanted, I think to uh diminish the visit
by Vice President in Vance, like somehow the pope refused
to be in the same picture as a vice president
that was that is not true. But yeah, he was
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active to the end. You can you know, you know,
I guess all of us would love to be to
be working or you know, at least compassmentus until the
final hours.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I think in history, like the most the most, the
most major thing about it was going to be the
fact that he was the first Jesuit pope ever and
it's hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, well that's an aspect of a first pope from
the southern hem sphere. It was funny they kept referring
to as the first post pulp of Latin America. I
think of North America and South America, and I think
of Latin America as Columbia, Venezuela. You know, some of
the uh, the countries Mexico would be a little bit
(12:17):
of maybe Mexico's North America, but anything south of Mexico
I think as being Latin Latin America Al Salvador in
those countries. But they now apparently consider everything south of
Mexico Latin America, all the way down at the Falklands.
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
He was Uh, he definitely had You're right, he definitely
has a legacy. He was very He opened up the
church in a lot of ways. And uh, I don't
know what direction they're gonna go, And I really can't say.
I don't know if they're gonna robut you'll stand by
and just think somebody right from Italy like they did
for you know, I robbery years in a row. You know,
(12:57):
when they picked up Paul a second, I almost fell over,
but uh yeah, I under.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, people people forget that there was John Paul the
first who only was pope for a month. Do you
remember do you remember that?
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Right? But he was only he was he was he
was from Italy and Josh right, yeah, yeah, and then
and then followed did they have bets? Followed? That even
was even more shocking. But uh, I don't know what
direction is going to go down. A lot of people
think maybe from Africa, maybe somebody who was maybe a
Arab heritage, maybe somebody from camp I don't think it's
(13:32):
gonna be somebody from North America. There's something that I
would I would.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's funny because you know, the Catholic churches having a
growth in uh in population in different parts of the world.
You know, when you and I were younger, they used
to talk about sending missionaries from America to places like
Asia and Africa. Now, uh, they're they're sending priests from
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Asia and Africa to to America.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
We're running I was running out of priests, out of
our very fight priest too for that matter. But I
just I just I just like to say, you know,
when I remember the pope I think of that, I
think it's second Timothy. I'm gonna mess it all up,
But it's I finished the race. I have, you know,
kept the faith. I have fought. They couldn't fight. They
(14:21):
probably haven't in wrong order, but I think he might.
I can think of that because I think the man
when he was died in the hospital, somehow he just
persevered and I don't know how he did it, but
he got His goal is to get the East, and
he did it.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So yeah, I'm sure that was on his mind, and
and I'm sure he would. I'm sure that he would
have taken that deal. You know, when he was really
near death a few weeks ago in that hospital and
you you didn't think he was going to get out
of the hospital. I'm sure he would have taken the deal,
that's for sure. But hopefully he is. If he's not
(14:54):
in a far better place, then probably you and I
don't have much of a chance, if you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Okay, no we don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thank you. Thank you for the call. Appreciated, all right,
So we get back to back calls here from pennsylvani
You're gonna go to Bill in Pennsylvania next Bill, Welcome
next to Knightsiger.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Go ahead, Yeah, thank you, DN. Hey, I uh, in
my mind, I know the guys in heaven. Okay, let's
start out with that. You know, the Catholic Church they
make saints, but they've never in the history of the
church said that after somebody died, that person went to hell.
Uh that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
I think, yeah, well, I think they they even you know,
I think that the Catholic theology, and I'm not a theologian,
but I think that the Catholic theology that I grew
up was with was that even if somebody had lived
a horrible life, if they had a sincere deathbed conversion,
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that that that would save them.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know if that's you know, you like to
think of that, but you know, there's a lot of
people in the world who you would think, you know,
you think of Hitler and some of those you know, yeah,
men affect the million of other people.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
You know, look at the Saul. Saul was a you know,
murdered hundreds of people, maybe thousands, and and uh was
struck off his horse and uh and turned into Paul
and look at all.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No, I I understand the teachings. I just think that
he did a lot of uh, you know work after
he was hit by lightning or whatever it was. That
took him off the horse. I just think about some
of these people in the world who you know, I mean,
you know, again some of them were not we're not Catholic.
(16:48):
But I think about you know, Mile say Tong, how
many millions of people that he'd kill, Genghis Khan, how
many millions of people that he killed, Adolf Hitler, you know,
his his legacy, you know, and if there are but
but again that's what that's the Catholic theology that you
can you can have that deathbed conversion if it's sincere.
(17:08):
I mean, I don't think that, you know, before Hitler
blew his brains out in the bunker, in the bunker
in Berlin with Ava Braun, that he could have said,
you got, I really regret everything I did. And by
the way, I about to blow my brains out.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's that's stuff that's so far over my head academically
or intellectually. Will leave that to the theologians, the people
who can tell you how many angels fit on the
head of a pin. If you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Yeah, I know what you're saying. There's always they always
bought us. You know, Pope is infallible and he's infallible
and religious matters.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
On matters of faith in morals is what we were
what we were.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Talking about, right, And but it's as far as politics
and stuff like that, not so much because I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Right, yeah, yeah. And also I think, and we have
some people in the audience. My understanding is that if
he was speaking what's called ex cathedra, meaning you know,
from the from the chair of Saint Peter, on some
religious issue dealing with faith and morals, you had to
accept that because he was saying that, you know, from
(18:23):
But look, the world has changed since since you and
I went to elementary school, and uh, you know, we
found a lot of fallibility, uh, in all of ourselves
and in our friends and the people who we came
to rely upon, whether they were bishops or politicians or whatever.
(18:45):
So you know, I'm glad that I don't have to
sort this stuff out. Bill. You know, I got enough
trouble running my talk show.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
You do you do a fantastic job, or I wouldn't
look to you every night. Hey, there's a couple of
questions for you. There's about the seventy million Catholics in
the United States today now Jesuits, as I understand it.
Back in the day. They were founded around fifteen forty
or something like that, and they were the early on,
(19:18):
they were the enforcers. They were they were the enforcers
of the of the Catholic Church, because then they turned
into the to the educators of the church. And that
being the case, which Catholic university do you think Jesuit
is the most prestigious in the eyes of the Catholic Church?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, I don't know. I mean, as a hometown boy,
I would say Boston College, but I suspect it's Georgetown.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Now, you got it, right, Dan, Georgetown, Now just just
think in my mind, Okay, Georgetown, all right, I'm thinking,
And uh, I think maybe he was a humble man
and he was a wonderful peacemaker, and uh, I'm sure
he's at heaven, but I believe at times when he
was at the Vatican, vrat Agin, like every other place
(20:12):
in and around it has a has a bureaucracy, and
the bureaucracy over the.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, the turf is the curier. You know, go ahead, Yeah, So.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
They have this bureaucracy and they bring they bring this guy,
this Jesuit, the first Jesuit. A lot of them do
not like jesuits. Okay, they just they're outsiders, right. So anyways,
they bring this jesuit up from from Argentina. Okay, and
when he gets there, Dan, I tell you, okay, I
bet you there was some people that didn't like that move.
(20:48):
And uh and and then uh, you know, plodded against
him a certain things. But I think I think they
had a way of manipulating him and uh, going a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Too far left.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Because I know a lot of Catholics, a lot of
good Catholics. It would tell me this, Hey, Bill, you
remember when we were kids, the joke was is a
pope Catholic? Yeah, and then they come to today and
they'd say, you know this, this, this, this pope we
have right now, is the Pope Catholic? Because he was
(21:19):
doing you know, so far went so far left.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But all in all, well, hed he tended to ask questions.
I mean he tended to you know, my interpretation of
was he was he was trying to open up people's
minds too, you know, to the fact that that no
one is perfect. The only perfect person we celebrated his
resurrection yesterday. Uh, and by that standard, no one else
(21:46):
is perfect. So when he was asked questions about gay
marriage and stuff like that. Who was he to judge?
And I think that a lot of Americans are comfortable
with that, you know. I don't want to judge someone else.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
No, no, but but I think.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
On some of the substance substantive issues, I don't know
that he took us in into different direction. And there
may be there may be a success. And who's gonna say, hey,
it's time to have women priests? I don't know, you know,
I mean, I guess I used to know how to
say this in French. But the but the only thing
that uh that that doesn't changes, that change always changes,
(22:24):
you know whatever, you know. I learned that in French
and I've forgotten it. But you know, the only the
only thing that's certain has change, I guess is what
it comes down to. So we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Who who said he was open? I'm sure he's in heaven.
And I get a suggestion for you, Dan, which if
I yea, when you have a chance down the road
here somewhere, can you put a program together some night
about uh double standards? Okay, because right now there's so
many glaring double standards. For instance, let me. Just give
(22:56):
you one instance. Okay, all these so called journalists that
are going crazy about this, this guy down in El Salvador. Okay,
but at the same time, okay, you had Obama. Okay,
actually have another.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But Bill, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Bill, You're
opening up a can of worms for me, which is
going to take the conversation away from where we talk
about double standards. We talk about double standards all the time.
And uh and you know you listen to my show,
you know what we talk about. So we will we
will get to that at some point. I promise and
call me off here and we can we can have
(23:32):
a longer conversation. Rob will give you my direct number,
and you call me during the day and I'll call
you back off here. Feel feel free Bill to to
Rob give Bill my direct number and we can have
that conversation off here. I want to focus on the
passing of Pope Francis tonight. Thanks Bill. Six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty one line there six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. If this is not a
(23:55):
topic that interests you and you do not want to
comment on it, we can move this couple of other
topics I have in mind. I just think it's an
important day, not only for the Catholic Church, which is
an important institution in this country. Whether you agree with it,
I disagree with it, or whether you agree with part
of it or not. We'll be back on Nightside. Feel
(24:15):
free to join the conversation. The lines are wide open.
Coming back right after this.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
We're talking about the passing of Pope Francis, major political leader.
Whether you happen to be Catholic or not, feel free
to join the conversation. I'm surprised that well, I think
that there are still some people out there who do
still go to church. I see the most every Sunday
(24:47):
where I attend church. I think this is a significant event.
It doesn't have the political drama that the resignation of
a president does or something of that magnitude. But this
is an individual who was considered the spiritual leader. The
Pope is considered the spiritual leader of a one point
(25:08):
three billion people. That's about the same size as the
population of China. Just to put it in some perspective.
Feel free. And the question that I'm asking is where
do you think the direction of the Catholic Church will
be with the next pope. Will it continue along this
I would say, progressive tendency that Pope Francis established, or
(25:34):
will the church tack back more towards a Pope John
Paul the second pope possibility. Uh. This will all be resolved,
probably within the next two to three weeks. Uh, and
so we will have some certainty about it. But I'd
love to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Six seven thirty six, seven nine three one ten thirty.
Then go to Mary in Hyde Park, God's Country. Hi, Mary,
how are you?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Dan, Thanks for taking my call. And I didn't call
it answer that question, but I did call us say something.
Pope Francis was one of my favorite popes, and I
remember he said that all well, that he believed the
dogs went to heaven. And that was one of the
things that sold on sold me on him because he
used to say a lot of things that you didn't
hear from the you know, the folks in general. But
why I called this because I believe I heard you
(26:24):
say that one of the people that might be considered
would be the first black pope we've had in the
early years of the Catholic Church, three Black Popes.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I used to have the.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Book, but I got it from my father. But other
people had the book as well. They told you who
the three black popes were really get it from the bookstore.
I think it was the Sisters of Saint Paul. It
was located down on Chremont Street, across from the Commons.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Used to be able to.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Get the book there. Years ago in the early ages.
I remember Jackie Robinson, which president of the n e
ACMP Boston Ranch, had a bet with some professional people
that there were three black popes. They didn't believe him.
It was one hundred dollars beck He got the book
in and he got the one hundred dollars and people
were astonished.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, i'm looking at something right here. Okay, yeah, hold
on for a second. I'm looking at something from and.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
The other two were African. This is what they're saying now.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But it was okay, Well, let me help you out here, okay, Ary,
let me help you out Okay. I'm looking at a
website that is entitled Black Catholic Messenger. So this is
a group of people and there's a gentleman named Ralph
Moore who wrote this article and he says this was
(27:38):
written back at the time of the passing of Pope Benedict,
which was well, this was January two, twenty twenty three.
The church's records tell us they will potentially. The emphasis
is on the word potentially. Three black popes and Atholic history.
(28:02):
Pope Victor, the first, who headed the church from one
eighty nine to one ninety nine, Pope Militiades who was
from three eleven to three fourteen, that's a very brief time,
four years, three years. And Pope JEALOUSI s g E
La si U s the first, who was pope from
(28:25):
four ninety two to four ninety six. So we're talking
about the earliest days of the church. All of these popes,
I guess have been declared saints by the Catholic Church.
And the reigns of the three African pontiffs were more
brief than those of contemporary popes because life expectancy was
(28:49):
shorter than said. The popes were all profound individuals. Pope Victor,
for example, declared that Easter must be celebrated only on
a Sunday and dictated that anyone disagreed to disobeyed would
be accountable to him and excommunicated, and it goes goes
on to give us information about it said it also
(29:12):
said to be Victor, who began the transition of the
Western Church's mass to the Latin language as opposed to
the vernacular at the time, which was Greek. And his
feast day is celebrated by Catholics each year on July
twenty eighth. So yeah, this isn't this is an interesting
article that no, it doesn't seem to it. Again, I'm
(29:35):
reading it as we speak here, and again I think
that that this is the opinion of one man. He
doesn't cite the book from what I can see as
a source, but obviously this is his belief. And you
(29:56):
know the problem is, you know Gez who lived in
the Middle East, was you know, born in the you know, Bethlehem,
and what now you know is would be Israel or
potentially you know Gazer or wherever. How do you know
what you know? There have been two hundred and sixty
(30:17):
six popes, so they're certainly in modern times has never
been a black pope, and there is a pope. There
is a cardinal from Ghana whose name is Carter. Cardinal
Peter Turksen, who is seventy six years of age and
is considered to be possibly possibly a successor to Pope Francis.
(30:42):
But we'll see.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Okay, I just want to say that I'm going to
find that book and I'm going to call you back
at a lay to date and tell you what it
is or maybe send you a copy. But I'm very
disappointed because I thought you were going to tell me
to go stand on my head because most people don't
know about that, so I appreciate you looking it up.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So wait, wait, so you're disappointed or your please.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
On my head or something like, oh, why.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Would I say that? No, if if you want, ROB
will give you my direct line and if you want
to call me, uh and if I if I can't
get to you, I'll call you back. No need to
send me the book. I have too many books. I
don't have as many books as David BRUDNOI had, but
my wife keeps telling me I got to get rid
(31:25):
of books, so I don't need more books. But but
you know, if you want to tell me the book,
I can. I can find the book on the on
the web, okay, obviously.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
And if they're when you go to the bookstore.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It's very hard Well, I'm not looking for a copy
of If you want to send me the title of
the book, I'm sure I can. I can track it down. Okay,
So stay there and Rob a gring my direct number. Okay, thanks, Mary, Okay,
gonna take a break. I'd love to get a couple
more calls in six one seven. Mary just hung up?
Did Mary not want to talk to you? Okay, yep,
(31:58):
she seemed to be in a rush. That's okay, Mary,
callback and Rob will give you my direct line if
you'd like to talk with me. But please, I don't
need more books. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Feel free
to join the conversation. I'm going to switch topics at
eleven because this conversation, this topic, I thought we'd have
(32:20):
more interest amongst my audience. A little disappointed in that,
but that's okay. The audience dictates our subjects, what subjects
we stick with and what subjects we move on from.
I thought some of you would like to say something
nice about the passing of Pope Francis. You have a
couple of more minutes if you'd like to call six
(32:40):
one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. Back on night Side right.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
After this, It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, let's get back to call. It's going to
go to my friend Nikita Nikita from Malden. Hi, Nikita,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Okay, good, I'm doing good. Dan. I just want to
chime in on the on the passing of Pope Francis Princess.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yes, but then you say, let me say something. The
three parts that the previous colors said were black, they
were North African. Okay, they were North African. They are
not really considered black in the modern term. Do you
know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Were they were? They were they from? Let me ask
you this, Nikita. Were they from countries like Syria and
that that's part of the world.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
No, No, they are from North Africa. Yeah, they are
from North Africa.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah they there was. Yeah, there was a list that
I saw today of eleven popes and I think one
of them was from what is now called Libya, which
is North Africa.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So yeah, no, North Africa.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yes, there were no pictures of so they have no
you know, I mean, that's there's a little speculative, but yeah,
I know what you say.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Go right ahead anyway. Yes, So I've been following Pope
Francis since the day he was elected. I was elected
because I remember I was coming from BC this day
that much, and I was going from a job here
from BC. I said to myself, Wow, I'm coming from
BC and a jesse it is elected Pope. What a
time incidents? And yeah, yeah. And also I met him.
(34:23):
I was in a room in twenty fourteen for a
cardinal HISTI cadinal was being consecrated. If for me, so
I met him. I fansist in room back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
So so you met you mete Francis.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
I saw him, you know, I was at the ordination.
So I've I've met him. I've seen him in person.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So I why did I wasn't sure if you were
had an audience and actually, you know, shook his hand
or something.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
Okay, I just I just saw him in person, and
I had a paper audists. There was the people audience,
the one at Saint Peter's Square, So I saw him there.
But Saint Paul John, Saintpaul jump pop Saint John Paul Paul.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
What I'm I saying the second jump Paul two, John
Paul two.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
So I know him. I know him because I had
to push I was a Volunti Beilie volunteer in two
thousand and I had to push the Pop mobile. I
was hurting around the Vaticans. So I've seen him and
I was close to Pop Saint Paul's John Porto.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Wo. Yeah, I didn't realize that that you had gotten
to go to Rome, that that offered. That's wonderful.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
No, only went twice. I only want twice in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
So and I took some listeners. I took some listeners
to Italy. Well, I shouldn't say I took I was
accompanied by some listeners on a trip to Italy last summer.
We went to Rome and toured the Vatican, which was
very you know, very very have really had a chance
to see all the inner world kings and you know,
(36:01):
talk to like members of the Swiss Guard and all
of that. And then we went a little south to
to the Amalfi coast. But it was an interesting ten days,
that's for sure. And I made a lot of friends
on that trip.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Yes, so yeah, so I really la points. So it
was really a people's pope. So he had to for
the immigrants, for the poor.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean was that was that was that was his
Here was his legacy. I they jump all. The second
stood firmly in the face of both the Nazis as
a young priest in the eighteen forties and and stared
down the Communists while he was the the the bishop
and the archbishop of Krakow. So they did both, you know,
(36:47):
both were great men in their in their time.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
Also went to Haiti. So after he left Haiti, he said,
when he went to Haiti, said that has to change.
And baby Doug had left three years after there was
evolution when the pope came and said, that has to change.
And that's so, I mean, baby, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And unfortunately it hasn't. It's changed, and it is still
a very tough situation down there. The people of Hay
are suffering greatly.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Yes, yes, change for the words, Nikita, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Always great to hear your voice. You're always welcome here,
you know that. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, thanks, okay, bye,
We go to Rick and Bill. Rick, Rick, want to
get you and maybe one more in here before we
change topics. Hi, Rick, how are you.
Speaker 10 (37:32):
I'm doing well. I gave up sweets for Lent and
now my stomach is filled and uh, and I'm thinking
I'm fat. So you know, I really, I really spirts
spurts tonight. And I don't feel that bad about it.
I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Good.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
What I wanted to say, I don't know if you're.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Laughing or not.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I laughing, Yes, I am.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
What I wanted to say is quite honestly. I don't
have a strong opinion about friends. But I returned to church.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
A year ago.
Speaker 10 (38:04):
I watched on TV for a year and returned to
church a year ago. My blessed mother in heaven. I
hope she's in heaven. She should be. I mean, just
like your mom. You know they're not. We're in trouble.
But yeah, but but I'm delighted to be back. I
wasn't for twenty years because I was totally pissed off
about the scandal. But I realized that that horrible stuff
(38:25):
was going on for centuries and yep, probably thou a
thout fifteen hundred years, who knows, it's just that deconens.
And but I'm glad that the church has addressed it
and uh, and one.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You don't need you don't need to use that that
that verb again, you you don't you know, please just
you're in a radio station. Go ahead. You were upset,
you were upset, Okay, that's yeah, that's a good word.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
That's a better way to use it. I was upset
when when healthy congregations were being closed.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Paid for this, me too, Me too. I was very upset. Absolutely,
I share that too with you.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
Yeah, that's why I left. That's why I left, and
it would take twenty years to come back. And I'm
happy to be back. But I'm sad today that he's gone.
I'm sad that he's gone, and I, you know, I
just I appreciate going back. So that's my opinion. It's
kind of.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Appreciate, appreciate you checking in. I'm going to try to
sneak one more caller in here before we change topics.
So I thank you for Carlin as always, and we'll talk. So,
thank you much. Mona in Halifax, you're very late, Mona.
I can give you about thirty seconds. What would you
what would you like to say?
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Go ahead?
Speaker 11 (39:38):
No, I I just wanted to say my savas first
cousin in Ireland, is Archbishop arch Biship in Ireland. He
got trans fair to stay in but six months ago,
year ago, and he was no old trainer and my
sister went to visit him and my cousin he antagged
him to the bishop house in fun. His story is
(40:01):
he was, you know, picked him off in the car.
There was a great time. Then they wanted to go
out on the town at night, and he said you
would leave the key out. And when they got as
it wasn't quite late, but it was late and they
we're knocking knocking on the door.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
They were locked out.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
He forgot to leave the key out.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh well, that's that's a lesson to be learned. Mona.
I gotta let you run here. I got the news coming.
I wish you would call a little earlier. Okay, it
comes to eleven. Thanks Mona, have a great night. Good night.
We will change topics right after the eleven o'clock he
was going to talk about that controversy over the women's
(40:39):
space flight. Was it really a space flight? We'll see
after the eleven
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