February 28, 2025 • 41 mins
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with President Trump and Vice President Vance in the Oval Office where the conversation turned into a fiery exchange. The White House meeting was supposed to focus on a deal over Ukraine’s rare earth minerals but quickly took a turn when VP Vance said the “path to peace between Russia and Ukraine is diplomacy.” The Ukrainian president appeared to not like that statement, challenging Vance and the heated exchange went on from there where at one point Trump called Zelenskyy “disrespectful” telling him he “does not have any cards right now.” We break down this fiery exchange and how it might affect America’s foreign policy.
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with President Trump and Vice President Vance in the Oval Office where the conversation turned into a fiery exchange. The White House meeting was supposed to focus on a deal over Ukraine’s rare earth minerals but quickly took a turn when VP Vance said the “path to peace between Russia and Ukraine is diplomacy.” The Ukrainian president appeared to not like that statement, challenging Vance and the heated exchange went on from there where at one point Trump called Zelenskyy “disrespectful” telling him he “does not have any cards right now.” We break down this fiery exchange and how it might affect America’s foreign policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice size undoing you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much. Al As we're spent normally at
this hour we do for those of you who are
regular nightside listeners, we do what we call the twentieth
hour of the week. Well, this story is too big
for us to do that tonight, so we're going to
I think finish the program dealing with what we're doing tonight,
(00:31):
and that is getting your reaction to what went on
in the White House today. By the way, earlier tonight
I played in four segments the entire exchange among President Trump,
Vice President Vance, and President Zelensky, and I just want
to play a couple of other quick segments sound bites
(00:51):
for those who didn't hear this. These are the abbreviated
sound bites that it's sort of got going a little
but when Vice President Vance went to answer a question Zilinsky,
let me play this one. This is cut twenty one. Rob.
(01:12):
This is President Zelinsky challenging Vance and making the point
that Putin has occupied Ukraine and he goes over what
Russia did and what the diplomacy you're talking about. This
is cut twenty one. We're going to play cut twenty
one rob and then play immediately after that cut twenty
one B please put them together. Twenty one and twenty
(01:33):
one B.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
He occupied it our big parts of Ukraine, parts of
East and Crimea. So he occupied it on twenty fourteen.
So during a lot of years, so I'm not speaking about.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Ju just Biden.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But those time was Obama, then President Obama, then President Trump,
then President Biden. Now the President Trump and God blessed.
Now President Trump will stop him. But during twenty fifteen,
nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took He killed people.
You know what the contact twenty fifteen, twenty twenty fourty,
(02:13):
so he killed that here, yeah, by the second right, yes,
But during twenty fourteen until twenty twenty two, what the
situation the same that people have been dying on the
contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had
conversations with him, a lot of conversations, my bilateral conversation,
(02:34):
and we signed with him, me like a new president.
In twenty nineteen, I signed with him the deal I
signed with him. Macron and meyr Kill we signed ceasefire, ceasefire.
All of them told me that he will never go.
We signed him with guess contract guess contract. Yes, but
(02:56):
after that he broken this cease fire. He killed our
people and he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange
of prisons, but he didn't do it. What kind of
diplomacy gg us became about what what.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Do you what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country. But mister President, mister President,
with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come
into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in
front of the American media. Right now, you guys are
going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because
you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president
for trying to bring it into this conflict.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Then that is when the president jumped in. President Trump,
cut twenty three.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Rob, you don't have the cards right now with us.
You start having right.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now, you're.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Gambling with lives, and millions of people think you're gambling
with World War three. You're gambling with World War three.
And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country,
this country. That's far more than a lot of people
said they should have.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Have you said thank you once that fire meeting and
it went downhill from there. Let's go to Jennifer and Brockton.
Jennifer just wanted to play a little bit there. I
apologize for delaying getting you in the air, but you
were now on night side. What is your reaction to
how this all went down today, Jennifer.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
I think it's horrible. That's so disappointing. I'm trying to
be hopeful. I have a lot of distrust for.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Trump, and obviously put and the two of them.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Together is it's not okay. I think that this was
that this was all set up. I think that this
is exactly what Trump wanted. I think that they wanted
it to be plain for everyone to see, the whole
world watching. I think they wanted to make Zelensky look
like he blew it that this deal is not going
(04:57):
to go through because it's all the link Lensky's fault.
And I don't think that he was ungrateful or me,
you know, I don't know. He wasn't really saying think
think thank you today, but in the past he's been
very grateful. I don't think that he was dis respectful
at all. I think that they were totally out of line.
(05:17):
I heard that Russian state media was in the room.
I've also heard Trump himself is saying that there.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Was supposedly one There was supposedly one member of Pravda
I believe who was in the room, and my understanding
is that he that person, whether it was a male
or female, was actually escorted out of the room by
the White House press staff.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well that's reassuring how they get in there, though.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, I sometimes, you know, when a question comes through. Whatever,
I don't think that they were allowed in there. I
think that whatever I just wanted. Factually, that's what I
had heard this afternoon. I was surprised by it as well. Yeah,
go ahead, Well.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I mean that's good to hear. But that could also
be part of the plan. You know, let's make it
look like, you know, Zelenski's doing this, and let's make
it look like we're anti Russia and we're pro Ukraine.
I think that's what term wants the world to believe.
And in reality, I think he's striking deals with Putin.
I don't think he has any intention to help in
(06:19):
Ukraine any anymore. I mean, think of all the things
that he said to Ukraine, to Zolenski about Zolenski and
think of all the things that he said in the
conversations that he's had with Putin, which we don't know
the details. Just so it was very productive, you know about.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, we're never we never get in fairness, we never
get those details. Now he's had some meetings with Macrone
of France, Modivu India, and Starmar of Britain, and now
those are sort of the meetings were just like they
did today, sitting there in the chairs in nice, nice
conversations or whatever, or standing at podiums, but then they
(06:55):
have meetings inside. But I just think this was this
was a train wreck and let's see. Yeah, I don't
know how they get back together on this. And I
think that without our support, Russia rolls and takes more
and more territory in Ukraine. And maybe they thought that
(07:17):
they could force Zelensky into this agreement. Although I think
the agreement actually would be good for Ukraine because I
think that was pretty smart that we're going to have
a fifty percent interest in their rich minerals and some
oil and gas. I don't know that Putin would be
invading Ukraine if we had a stake in the ground,
(07:41):
So I think that was a smart thing. And then
then maybe he goes to Putin and he says, look,
you know you, you maybe put some pressure on. I
don't know what the what the game plan was, but
it blew up in everybody's face today, right.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
I mean I don't see him ever asking Putin to stop.
I just don't see that happening. And you know, I'm
glad to see though, that the rest of Europe was
rallying behind zilen Ski today. I think that was encouraging.
I think I don't remember his name, but England was
saying that they would be willing to put troops on
(08:17):
the ground if it came down to it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That would be a mistake, Yeah, that would be a
horrific mistake because once you put NATO troops on the
ground in Ukraine, right, you've opened up a huge can
of worms there.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Right, but just has to stop, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I just I just mentioned that to you. That's all.
Ukraine is not a NATO member, so.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, Well I'm gonna let you run. I thank you, Jennifer.
You raised more questions for all of us to consider.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
And I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I hope we're both wrong. I hope we're both wrong. Okay, thanks, Jennifer,
appreciate it. Let me go. I'm gonna get Bob from
waiting a long time, and Bob is on the other coast,
Bob in California. Bob, love to know what you're thinking tonight.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah, good evening. Again, I'm right, I'm perfectly okay, perfectly okay.
With what happens to the White House today, I think
Zolunsky needs to go. Okay, he needs to go because, yeah,
that was the deal he should have taken. President Trump
is right, Zolunsky is could well cause World War three, Okay,
(09:42):
he could. Now, the bigger picture is to.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The Putin would also be a factor in causing World
War three. I mean, if Putin had stayed in his
own country, this wouldn't even be an issue. So are
we blaming the wrong guy?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Well, they both in my opinion, des They're blamed, both
of them. Okay, and again there Palnski doesn't want to
take the deal. Now. I think the bigger picture though
for us, you know, back in high school Boston Latin,
I learned the term balance of power, right, balance power.
I believe the bigger picture is this is an unintended consequence,
(10:24):
but a potentially a good one. A United States Russia
working relationship is very good, very good in that it
will offset China. Okay, it's much better to have a
United States Russia relationship than a Russia China relationship against US.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It's true. But then the question is, do you trust.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Russia lesser of two evils?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
No, I'm not saying it's not the lesser of two evils,
but do you trust Russia to throw China down down
the drain? And mean, their history with China is a
lot uh firm within our history with Russia. That's all
just the thought I think it.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Yeah, true, good, yeah, well, that's yeah. Anyway, those are
my points.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
All great points, all great points. And we've had some
great calls to I'm really proud of my audience tonight.
I think they have risen to the occasion.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Wait, be part of yourself, seriously, and I know the
call is Alsis would agree because you're the quarterback of
the show. So props to you too, Dan for a
good show.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I appreciate that. Bops, thanks much too. Con All right,
my friend, we'll talk soon, Okay, thank you. We'll be
back on night's side. Right after this. This is a
very quick break. The only line is six one seven.
Who's up next? We got Sandra and Carver and Steve
in New Jersey and more. Back after this.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Night Side Studios on DOBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We're going to Sandra down in Carver. I haven't talked
to Sandra in a while. Hey, Sandra, welcome back to
Night's Side.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
How are you good?
Speaker 8 (12:10):
How are you I'm doing great?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So can you make any sense out of what went
down in the White House today?
Speaker 10 (12:16):
Well, I'll tell you. Zelenski came to this country and
hopes that if he came here and signed the rights
to his minerals and oil and gas.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, some of his rights, yep, right.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Some of us rights, not all of his rights, in
exchange for security. Trump refused to give him that security,
and I think that's what stopped the deal. That's my
understanding from listening to you know news.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So right, So okay, the question then for me to
you is how do you find so how do you
define security?
Speaker 10 (12:52):
Well, we've pretty much been over there with our equipment.
So if we're there in the country itself, are we
going to allow them to attack. I mean, I think
that just the fact that we're there may stop them.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, well, we're not there. We have equipment there, we
have sent missiles, we have sent you know, both the
Trump administration and the Biden administration have sent you know,
military assistance, and we've actually i think trained some of
their pilots. But we have no boots on the ground.
(13:29):
Ten to have any boots in the ground. The argument
that Trump was making, I think, was if you allow
us to invest, and the investment that we've made is
the billions of dollars that we have helped keep Ukraine alive,
we get fifty of these so called minerals and maybe
(13:51):
some oil and gas. Would that deter putin from attacking
a country where we had a physical investment. I think
that's Trump's perception of security. He believes that. I think
he's saying that he believes that will keep Ukraine safe
(14:11):
because not of our military presence, but our economic presence
in Ukraine. I think that's what he's saying. You agree
or disagree on.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
That, Well, it's hard to know what somebody else might
be thinking, but I think I was thinking more like
Zelensky was thinking, no.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, that's fine. So the question then is, obviously that
didn't persuade Zelensky. What do you think Zelensky is looking
for above and beyond what we've already done, and above
and beyond this economic deal that Trump was trying to
sell him.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
Well, first of all, we're not him. We're not sitting
in the middle of a country that's being totally bombarded
by missiles and bombs and people dying everywhere. And apparently
he is a soldier. Apparently there was some mention about
his dress, was dressed and fatigues or something.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, but he that he's not dressed as you know,
in a in a suit and tie. Stand that because
he's probably literally, if not in the front lines, near
the front lines.
Speaker 10 (15:15):
And right, that's my understanding is occasionally that was kind.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Of a cheap shot. Whoever was the reporter that asked.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Him that, right, he's also Jewish. Jewish people very tough.
You don't come up against them, you don't scream at them,
you don't yell at them, you stay calm. I know,
I've been around them and they're good people, but they
are tough.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And all people can be tough when when pushed.
Speaker 10 (15:39):
Well, the Jewish what do you think.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Let me just ask you, what do you think Trump
failed to do today to make Zelensky agree? I think
they made a mistake when they opened it up to
to sort of the conversation between the Vice President Van's,
President Trump and President Silenski. None of that stuff should
(16:02):
have been discussed publicly. But once it was discussed, what
could have you know, what could have saved the deal?
I think once once that conversation started, it's like a
family argument, you know, once it starts at Thanksgiving over
the over the dinner table, the day's ruined. You know
(16:23):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
What I'm trying to say, right, Well, I think sometimes
the Republicans come on a little strong, which maybe they
should back off a little bit, talk a little bit
nicer to people, Okay, right. And also there is something
one of the other call has mentioned, Putin and Trump
(16:43):
too friendly. There was a caller in the past several
years that came on another talk program and he was
from the country that Trump hates Canada, and.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think he likes Canada. I think there's lank Trudeau,
but go.
Speaker 10 (16:58):
Ahead, well none none of the Canadians care for Trump anyways.
Pewtin and Trump were too friendly. There's pictures of him
even before he was a president with Pewtin. So this
probably that's what this person called to actually state, so timeless.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Tell My question is, and I know that's been said before,
and my question always is, if they were that friendly,
why don't Putin take advantage of that friendship and do
whatever he wanted to do while Trump was president because
he never he never came out of his cave when
Trump was president. He went and uh, and he invaded
(17:41):
a part of the state of the country of Georgia
south Assessia when when George Bush was president, and then
he took Crimea right after the soci Olympic Games when
President Obama was president, and then he invaded Ukraine while
(18:02):
and took the eastern part of the country while Biden
was president. But he never went he never went outside
his boundary whiles Trump was president. Why did he pass
on that opportunity when his when his buddy Trump was president,
that would have been a time to do something.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, that's my question. I'll leave it this rhetorical question.
All right, thanks Andrew, appreciate your call.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
All right, thank you, bye bye, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Steven, New Jersey. Steve, You're next on Nightsaco right ahead.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
Well, now it's Steve in New York.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Damn Stephen, New York. Okay, see, well yeah, this is
my friend the truck driver. Absolutely, we do have some
Steve's in New Jersey. So so whenever I now have
to assume any Steve from from between Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts,
New York.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
And Jack, wherever I am is where I'm gonna say,
all right, go ahead, all right, so say.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Steve the trucker, so I would know, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Well, I tell Rob that Rob, uh, don't try. The
phone lines are so hot. I got a third degree
burn when I called it. It was amazing topic tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
There's a hot topic. I wish the phones were hot
every night, right correct.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
So both presidents their expectations were not in that. So
when that happens, it's nothing good going to come out
of it. So for right now, the meeting was count productive.
Trump had his You know all, he he expected Silensky
to sign and Selinsky came in. What was he expecting
(19:35):
not to sign it? I think he was expecting to
sign it. And if we did, are we sending more
money to Ukraine, which Trump said he wasn't going to do.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
There was no money involved. There was no money involved.
He was going to go to get fifty of these
minerals that are important for computer chips. Apparently Ukraine is
very lucky it has those certain countries around the world
and some of these specific minerals.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Men.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Think of the periodic table when you were in high
school and you looked at the chemistry chart and said,
what the heck does that mean? And we were going
to basically take fifty percent of wherever this these minerals were,
and in payment for the contributions that we have made
(20:23):
to Ukraine's defense in terms of military weapons and armament
and all of that. Okay, so and Trump was saying,
you know, this will give you security, the fact that
we have an economic commitment in your country. And I
assume Zelensky must have bought the idea for him to
fly to Washington. And I just think the miss I
(20:46):
just think it all of it bubbled up. It's like
when you invite people to Thanksgiving dinner at your Auntie
so and so who doesn't like Auntie so and so
and Uncle so and so who really doesn't like and
you figure Okay, we're just going to be nice, nice
in talk and then someone says, yeah, by the way
(21:09):
it goes down, heill from there. But this is.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
Yeah, go ahead, Dan, if you've done.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't know, No I have done. I don't want
to interrupt you, not at all. Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
But I mean, first of all, when I'm on hold,
I got so many different thoughts, and you try to
put them all together. This, this question you asked the
last caller is a great question because Trump being in
caboos with Putin is fox fetched. He is not in
caboos with him. You don't negotiate with an evil regime.
(21:43):
You don't sign any treaties with them, because even if
they sign them, they never they're so evil they will
not you know, they will not do their end of
the bag, and they're always going to break the treaty.
So I think the only thing that going to come
out of this if Zulenski comes with his leakes between
(22:06):
you know, his tail between his legs. I don't know
if he's going to do that, but he he has
his back against the wall. What else can he do?
America's defending him in this country. He can't do it
by himself.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well he's got that he can get more help from Europe.
That's what he's going to bet.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
I think, Okay, well we'll see if that happens, but
we'll let it play out as you would say. But
before I go, I just want to say hi to
my my cousin, Sharon ol Santa Colida, California. If she
is listening. I don't think she is, but I told
her i'd be on. But child, Dan, you loved and
appreciate it. You better know that, right, we all love
(22:47):
and appreciate you. And yeah, she I gave her. I
said she can stream. She's not very computed tech techie,
so I don't think she just texted me and said
your president go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, send her. Uh, send her to more to Nightside
and demand dot com. She can listen to this hour
and listen Tom to you in.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
The radio, right, or I just send it to her.
I'll queue it up for her and send it to her.
But no, she got an argument with me. I don't
want to take a lot of time, but uh, we've
had a great relationship. But I said, Sharon, I can't
believe you have allowed a political figure to come in between.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Us like this.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Now she's texting me again, said did you hear what
you are?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Mike?
Speaker 9 (23:27):
And the blank blank President? Okay, go there, but anyways,
I won't keep you all right.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Dan, travel safely, safely, all right?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Thanks God.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Quick break. Here's the news at the bottom of the hour.
We're coming right back. These lines are just hot as
a pistol.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WAZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Back to the phones we go. He's had some really
good calls on both sides of the issue tonight on
the Trump Vance Zolensky Showdown, Slash, Donnie Brooke, whatever you
want to call it, in the Oval Office today, Ron
and Weymouth were on. You were next in night Side.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Thank you, Dan, it's good to talk to you again.
It's been off for a while. My analogy of the
whole situation, I'm not for either side, like in the middle,
you know, as an independent if you want to put that,
but basically put that aside. I think Trump was completely
transparent and he wanted to be that way, and Zelensky
(24:36):
kept talking over him. He invited him here and he
kept talking over them, and President Trump I believe felt
he was, you know, being pushed out of it as a
very important meeting. And you know, some parent, I think
it's apparent that President Trump only wants peace today's meetings,
So Lenslie, I don't think he can be customed whether
he speaks Ukrainian or English.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
It didn't come across them me like that. I think
one more thing, what was it?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Let me let me just disagree with you slightly. I
think that once President Trump began to participate in the meeting,
he sat back initially. If you watch, did you watch
it when it as it played out?
Speaker 11 (25:13):
To me?
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Yes, yes completely.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't watch the the the early part of the
meeting where it was all sort of ceremonial and polite
and welcoming and all of that. I I watched a
couple of times that the nine and a half ten
minutes of animosity that that you know flowed and uh.
And President Trump didn't say much. It was I think
(25:40):
Vice President Vance who sort of kind of kicked it
off a little bit, which which was paid already.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And then Zelinski was given opportunities to speak. Now again
his English a little limited, much better than my Ukrainian,
no doubt about that. Or Donald Trump was JD. Vance's Ukrainian.
But I thought that the President stayed out of it.
And then when Zelinsky basically said, if we don't stop
(26:09):
putin here, you'll see it someday or you'll feel it someday.
And that is when President Trump jumped in and said,
you know, don't tell me what you know you're going
to what we're going to feel. That that is I
think where President Trump was frankly very insulted.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Okay, yeah he did.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
And you know a lot of people, I mean, what
was the reason for that war in the first place.
I think people are forgetting about there's two sides to that,
and I'd like to get it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Tell me what the middle of it?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Tell me whoaa tell me what the Russian side? What's
the Russian side?
Speaker 12 (26:45):
Well, the Russian side is that that Putin said that
operation to invade was to protect the people of the
Russian controlled breakaway republics, and he was basing that, I
claimed on the Russians in the Dawnbas region.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
I think there was had been facing humility, humiliation, and genocide.
It was perpetrated by the Kiev regime for eight years.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So that was that was I think that that that
we would Essentially I would look at that and say, look,
they invaded, the attacked Ukraine. Is Ukraine, okay, And the
fact that they were Russian speaking people in Ukraine. It
would be as if Mexico attacked us because somehow we were,
(27:29):
uh we were bothering Mexicans living in this country. But
I think it was very clear. Let me ask you
who is the aggressor Ukraine or Russia?
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I think it was both.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
I started, well the aggressor first of all, because.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I started it. That was run who started it? Did
Ukraine attack Russia?
Speaker 12 (27:57):
That that that that is one way that well they
actually fit you know, physically, did military eventually?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, eventually they did. It was like we eventually bomb Tokyo,
but it was about three years after they hit Pearl Harbor.
Will we the aggressor? And anyway, hey, Ron, look, thanks
for calling. We're going to kind of disagree a little bit,
but I'm glad that you presented your point of view.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Well.
Speaker 12 (28:22):
I try to do that and try to stay out
of the middle of it and bring it all out
so other people come in and maybe see what they
have to say.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
You know, yeah, come on again, Yeah, thank you mam.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You soon let me go next, Joe and Lynn. Joe
next one. Nice, I go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
Hey, Dan, Glad, do you take my car? I agree
with Glenn Russia. You're right, Russia started the war. I
think they did. Am I right on that Russia started
with Ukraine. You asked for.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Fourth twenty twenty two. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Yeah, So I think they're both crooked. Putin and Lewinsky
or whatever his name is, Zelensky, and he's he's a browbeater,
he interrupted Trump. I don't think he meant to sign
that agreement. I think what he wanted was to get
his own way. You may agree or disagree, but I'm
on Glen's side on this. I'm pretty much in isolation.
It's not most of it. And we need to stay
(29:10):
out of these because once we get involved with this,
we'll never get out. And you know, we're still over
in Germany protecting Germany, protecting this. We have to stop.
They have to take care of themselves. I mean, we
take care of everybody but our own, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I understand that argument. I think that we have we
have a real big responsibility. We're the big dog in
the block, and I think that our presidence, I think
we can withdraw I think we can pull back from
some places, but I don't think I ask you a question.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I want to ask you a question. What do you
think is going to happen next? If if the the
Ukraine president says I don't want anything to do with you,
I don't want it, can we just pull out of
there and let him handle it and see whatever happens
is that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We're we don't have any troops in there. We have
we have armaments, weapons, yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And if Donald Trump says, hey, we're cutting you off,
good luck with with fighting Russia. I mean it'll be,
it'll be.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
He said that the military he's thinking of withdrawing military
support because we gave them all this money and what
did they do to it? They probably blew it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Who knows we gave them military support. We gave them.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Military Yeah, we ga. We gave them tons of money
to dan and no one knows what.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But it was mostly military support. Trust me, trust me.
All right, Joe got it right, Thank you, thank you much,
appreciate it. Okay, We're going to try to get four
people in in the next few minutes. We got to
take a quick break, Jack, Sean, Christine and Susan, Susan, Europe. Next,
we're going to try to give everybody about three minutes
(30:48):
and let's be fair. Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Now, back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
All right, where are we going? I'm gonna go to
Susan and Cambridge, Susan. We're a little late, normally I'm
very generous in time. I cannot find right, I'll try
not to interapt.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Go ahead, okay, just to your last call, I just
wanted to say that, you know, much of that military
aid was actually plowed right back into our own economy
because it was you know, weapons that we build. Yeah, yep,
so we we put that right into our manufacturing economy.
So we're not really out you know, tons and tons
of money by any means.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
And uh uh that.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Was a complete national embarrassment, international embarrassment.
Speaker 13 (31:37):
Today.
Speaker 11 (31:37):
The only person who benefited from that was Putin, as
far as I'm concerned. And but did you notice how
reflexively Trump uh defended Putin? Like you know, he said
the whole you know, Russia hoax, and you know he
was attacked to just like me, and so he just
constantly aligns himself. And then when he was discussing how
(32:02):
you know he couldn't make a deal with Putin if
he was critical of Putin, like he can't just you know,
you know, call him a dictator. But somehow he's able
to call Zelensky a dictator. So I mean, there's just complete,
you know, obvious biased for Putin and Russia's side. And
(32:24):
my question is if he is not willing to provide
any uh, the minerals deal, I'm not a seguine as
you are about it. I thought it was a shakedown,
a protection racket without the protection. And if he is
not willing to provide any sort of what Zelensky seemed
(32:45):
to be asking for today was the Europeans seem to
be willing to put peacekeepers in, but he wants the
US as a backstop to that, and Trump isn't willing
to do that. And so my question is, if he
is not willing to provide any security guarantees, why is
he the person who thinks he should be negotiating the steal?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, he believes that the security of US having a
commitment of financial interest in the ground is a commitment
that how long does that.
Speaker 11 (33:18):
Take to get up and running. I mean, that's not
it's not going.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
To be there tomorrow. You could be done tomorrow. That
that's easy, that's easy. They're not talking about this, this
saying that we now have fifty of our interest in
this whatever the area would be. Uh, and therefore that
in of itself would prevent Putin from going after it will.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Take other areas, so we'll go in other areas. I mean,
nothing is.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Going to get It's not like no, it's not like
you can say, okay, let's say that the mineral deposits
were in America. Let's say in the state of Colorado. Uh.
But we would not say, okay, well he invaded Maine,
that's okay, and he's going to invade the state of
Oregon too, but that's okay. No, No, that's that's his argument.
(34:04):
Zelensky's not buying the argument. But let me tell you,
Putin has said it's a un starter for NATO to
be involved anymore directly with Ukraine. I think if you give,
if you are able to give Trump the benefit of
(34:26):
what he's saying, I think he's concerned that this thing could,
like World War One, blow up into something much bigger.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
But he is also insisting that Europe does provide peacekeeping.
I mean, he has said that. Trump has said that
he's just not willing to backstop it. So I mean
it seems like, you know, if there's going to be
a ceasefire or a peace still, there's going to have
to be peacekeepers, correct.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But it would have to be agreed to and they
wouldn't have to be necessarily European. The peacekeepers is a
matter of fact, probably wouldn't be European. In reality. I
think that you'd bring in peacekeepers from countries in other
parts of the world. I think I don't think I
wants to see British or French peacekeepers in Ukraine.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
Realistically, No, he probably doesn't, got it.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So you've got to come up with something that you
got to have something that everybody can agree on, and
that's that's Look, hey, we will talk longer the next time.
But thank you, great point you made. Thank you very much. Okay,
let's keep rolling. They're going to go to jack Down
in Born by the Bridge, Jackie next door Nightsager right ahead.
Speaker 14 (35:37):
Oh hey, Dan, I know you don't have a lot
of time, but you know how the President had a
bruise on his hand. My prediction is that Sussie Wilds
will have a big bruise on her forehead from banging
it into a desk that there is, and I also
predict she will not last for another month or two.
(35:57):
There's no way.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
He's just.
Speaker 14 (36:01):
I thought she was going to bring control to the
White House and she's not. I haven't seen her anywhere.
He's just completely out of control. I've never seen anything
like that. That was just I didn't touch the whole thing.
But you know, the White House should have handled that differently.
They should not be having an open debate in front
(36:21):
of them meeting, no.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Question, no question, And I think that that was the
was the fatal flaw here, all right. And again, as
I've said on several occasions that I will repeat myself
one time because they haven't said in a while, it
was amazing how much of the bile that that Trump
still holds towards Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and the
fifty one people who who I think did write a
(36:47):
memo that was in retrospect, inaccurate and actually scurrilous that
this was the Hunter Biden laptop was It was not
Russian disinformation as they suggested. They didn't say it was
they said it all the appearances of and that was
trying to influence the twenty twenty election, and for some
reason Trump can't let that go.
Speaker 14 (37:08):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not a fan of having these
open meetings with the media. And yeah, I mean, and
then and even the way they're treating our allies, and
you know, just do the stuff behind closed doors. Do
it diplomatically. Don't embarrass your friends, don't you know. I mean,
(37:29):
I've said this to a couple of people. If if
if you had a friend that spoke to you the
way that he is speaking to some of our allies,
would you ever forgive them? Would you ever trust them? Again?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And I agree you get the last word in. But
I've got to keep rolling here because I got five people.
Thanks Jack, Carl earlier, more time, Thanks Sean and Habril. Sean.
Want to get you in at least one more in
Please go ahead, Sean.
Speaker 15 (37:58):
Hey, Dan, I know you don't have a the time.
I just want to say I got to concur with
your last two callers there. I think this meeting was
incredibly damaging for American image across the world. We essentially
told all of our allies we will not have your back,
we will turn on you, and we will sell you out.
(38:19):
I don't think the mineral deal makes a whole ton
of sense. I think it's a kin to you know,
should we have taken bushels of wheat from the French
and the British after World War Two? I don't really
think so. I think that investing in rebuilding them, creating NATO,
and essentially having an economic hegemonomy up until now was
(38:41):
probably a better investment. I think this was a complete embarrassment.
It was insulting. They asked a man who's been fighting
a war for multiple years, why don't you have a suit?
I feel like it's pretty self expressed.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, that was asked by a reporter, as I understand that,
I did not hear that, But people have said that
was asked. That wasn't asked by Donald Trump or jd. Vance.
Let's make that.
Speaker 15 (39:05):
Clear of it wasn't. No, it was asked by a reporter.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you have no idea who the I
don't know who the reporter was. Let's try to find out,
Sean you've called late. I got to run because they
want to get one other person. Thank you much, appreciate it. Course,
all right, Don, and Indiana, don you have him waiting
that long. I got one minute and you got final word.
Speaker 13 (39:26):
Go ahead, Don, Okay. Well that reporter was Brian Glenn,
who is a host on Real America's Voice and is
Marjorie Taylor Green's boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Okay, Well, thank you very much for that information. Obviously
I know where he's coming from at this point.
Speaker 13 (39:42):
Yeah. So I think it was, you know, just another
tweak and very unhelpful. You know, when Zelensky comes as
the head of a sovereign country, he should be treated
as an equal. I think there's that expectation that he
should bow and scrape, and that's obviously not the way
you treat.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
The leader of.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
Another sovereign country at any rate. Yes, it was a
terrible day and it's hard to see how this has
made better. All right, well, Trump was further in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, let us see how it works out eventually. We've
had a wide variety of viewpoints tonight. That's what I
wanted to do. I wanted to get as many different
points of view and by the way, I think my
audience split fairly half and half on this which which
shows me that there's a lot of people listening to
this show, like yourself, who may agree with me on
some things and may disagree with on others. But I
(40:36):
appreciate you participating tonight and continue to do so.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
Thank you, don Thank you, good night.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Good night. Okay, we are done for the week. It
was a wild week. To Christina and Ricardo, I apologize,
just ran out of time. I'll get you on the
other side next week. I wish everyone a great weekend.
I want to thank Rob who was working very hard tonight.
I want to thank Marita who worked very hard all week.
And we are back on Monday night. I promise you
(41:03):
we have some great shows coming up next week. On
Monday night, we will talk with a member of the
editorial board of the Boston Globe, Donald Trump will speak
to Congress on Tuesday night, CPA Mark Missile back back
on Wednesday night, and State Auditor Diana Dezaglio on Thursday.
All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's
my pell. Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago
(41:24):
this month. That's where all your pets are passed. They
loved you and you love them. I do believe you'll
see them again. We'll see you again on Monday night
or nightside, and I'll see them about two minutes on
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Welcome March
It's nice size undoing you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you very much. Al As we're spent normally at
this hour we do for those of you who are
regular nightside listeners, we do what we call the twentieth
hour of the week. Well, this story is too big
for us to do that tonight, so we're going to
I think finish the program dealing with what we're doing tonight,
(00:31):
and that is getting your reaction to what went on
in the White House today. By the way, earlier tonight
I played in four segments the entire exchange among President Trump,
Vice President Vance, and President Zelensky, and I just want
to play a couple of other quick segments sound bites
(00:51):
for those who didn't hear this. These are the abbreviated
sound bites that it's sort of got going a little
but when Vice President Vance went to answer a question Zilinsky,
let me play this one. This is cut twenty one. Rob.
(01:12):
This is President Zelinsky challenging Vance and making the point
that Putin has occupied Ukraine and he goes over what
Russia did and what the diplomacy you're talking about. This
is cut twenty one. We're going to play cut twenty
one rob and then play immediately after that cut twenty
one B please put them together. Twenty one and twenty
(01:33):
one B.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
He occupied it our big parts of Ukraine, parts of
East and Crimea. So he occupied it on twenty fourteen.
So during a lot of years, so I'm not speaking about.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Ju just Biden.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But those time was Obama, then President Obama, then President Trump,
then President Biden. Now the President Trump and God blessed.
Now President Trump will stop him. But during twenty fifteen,
nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took He killed people.
You know what the contact twenty fifteen, twenty twenty fourty,
(02:13):
so he killed that here, yeah, by the second right, yes,
But during twenty fourteen until twenty twenty two, what the
situation the same that people have been dying on the
contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had
conversations with him, a lot of conversations, my bilateral conversation,
(02:34):
and we signed with him, me like a new president.
In twenty nineteen, I signed with him the deal I
signed with him. Macron and meyr Kill we signed ceasefire, ceasefire.
All of them told me that he will never go.
We signed him with guess contract guess contract. Yes, but
(02:56):
after that he broken this cease fire. He killed our
people and he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange
of prisons, but he didn't do it. What kind of
diplomacy gg us became about what what.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Do you what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country. But mister President, mister President,
with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come
into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in
front of the American media. Right now, you guys are
going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because
you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president
for trying to bring it into this conflict.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Then that is when the president jumped in. President Trump,
cut twenty three.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Rob, you don't have the cards right now with us.
You start having right.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now, you're.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Gambling with lives, and millions of people think you're gambling
with World War three. You're gambling with World War three.
And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country,
this country. That's far more than a lot of people
said they should have.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Have you said thank you once that fire meeting and
it went downhill from there. Let's go to Jennifer and Brockton.
Jennifer just wanted to play a little bit there. I
apologize for delaying getting you in the air, but you
were now on night side. What is your reaction to
how this all went down today, Jennifer.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
I think it's horrible. That's so disappointing. I'm trying to
be hopeful. I have a lot of distrust for.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Trump, and obviously put and the two of them.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Together is it's not okay. I think that this was
that this was all set up. I think that this
is exactly what Trump wanted. I think that they wanted
it to be plain for everyone to see, the whole
world watching. I think they wanted to make Zelensky look
like he blew it that this deal is not going
(04:57):
to go through because it's all the link Lensky's fault.
And I don't think that he was ungrateful or me,
you know, I don't know. He wasn't really saying think
think thank you today, but in the past he's been
very grateful. I don't think that he was dis respectful
at all. I think that they were totally out of line.
(05:17):
I heard that Russian state media was in the room.
I've also heard Trump himself is saying that there.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Was supposedly one There was supposedly one member of Pravda
I believe who was in the room, and my understanding
is that he that person, whether it was a male
or female, was actually escorted out of the room by
the White House press staff.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Well that's reassuring how they get in there, though.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, I sometimes, you know, when a question comes through. Whatever,
I don't think that they were allowed in there. I
think that whatever I just wanted. Factually, that's what I
had heard this afternoon. I was surprised by it as well. Yeah,
go ahead, Well.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I mean that's good to hear. But that could also
be part of the plan. You know, let's make it
look like, you know, Zelenski's doing this, and let's make
it look like we're anti Russia and we're pro Ukraine.
I think that's what term wants the world to believe.
And in reality, I think he's striking deals with Putin.
I don't think he has any intention to help in
(06:19):
Ukraine any anymore. I mean, think of all the things
that he said to Ukraine, to Zolenski about Zolenski and
think of all the things that he said in the
conversations that he's had with Putin, which we don't know
the details. Just so it was very productive, you know about.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, we're never we never get in fairness, we never
get those details. Now he's had some meetings with Macrone
of France, Modivu India, and Starmar of Britain, and now
those are sort of the meetings were just like they
did today, sitting there in the chairs in nice, nice
conversations or whatever, or standing at podiums, but then they
(06:55):
have meetings inside. But I just think this was this
was a train wreck and let's see. Yeah, I don't
know how they get back together on this. And I
think that without our support, Russia rolls and takes more
and more territory in Ukraine. And maybe they thought that
(07:17):
they could force Zelensky into this agreement. Although I think
the agreement actually would be good for Ukraine because I
think that was pretty smart that we're going to have
a fifty percent interest in their rich minerals and some
oil and gas. I don't know that Putin would be
invading Ukraine if we had a stake in the ground,
(07:41):
So I think that was a smart thing. And then
then maybe he goes to Putin and he says, look,
you know you, you maybe put some pressure on. I
don't know what the what the game plan was, but
it blew up in everybody's face today, right.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
I mean I don't see him ever asking Putin to stop.
I just don't see that happening. And you know, I'm
glad to see though, that the rest of Europe was
rallying behind zilen Ski today. I think that was encouraging.
I think I don't remember his name, but England was
saying that they would be willing to put troops on
(08:17):
the ground if it came down to it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That would be a mistake, Yeah, that would be a
horrific mistake because once you put NATO troops on the
ground in Ukraine, right, you've opened up a huge can
of worms there.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Right, but just has to stop, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I just I just mentioned that to you. That's all.
Ukraine is not a NATO member, so.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, Well I'm gonna let you run. I thank you, Jennifer.
You raised more questions for all of us to consider.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
And I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I hope we're both wrong. I hope we're both wrong. Okay, thanks, Jennifer,
appreciate it. Let me go. I'm gonna get Bob from
waiting a long time, and Bob is on the other coast,
Bob in California. Bob, love to know what you're thinking tonight.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah, good evening. Again, I'm right, I'm perfectly okay, perfectly okay.
With what happens to the White House today, I think
Zolunsky needs to go. Okay, he needs to go because, yeah,
that was the deal he should have taken. President Trump
is right, Zolunsky is could well cause World War three, Okay,
(09:42):
he could. Now, the bigger picture is to.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The Putin would also be a factor in causing World
War three. I mean, if Putin had stayed in his
own country, this wouldn't even be an issue. So are
we blaming the wrong guy?
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Well, they both in my opinion, des They're blamed, both
of them. Okay, and again there Palnski doesn't want to
take the deal. Now. I think the bigger picture though
for us, you know, back in high school Boston Latin,
I learned the term balance of power, right, balance power.
I believe the bigger picture is this is an unintended consequence,
(10:24):
but a potentially a good one. A United States Russia
working relationship is very good, very good in that it
will offset China. Okay, it's much better to have a
United States Russia relationship than a Russia China relationship against US.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It's true. But then the question is, do you trust.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Russia lesser of two evils?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
No, I'm not saying it's not the lesser of two evils,
but do you trust Russia to throw China down down
the drain? And mean, their history with China is a
lot uh firm within our history with Russia. That's all
just the thought I think it.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Yeah, true, good, yeah, well, that's yeah. Anyway, those are
my points.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
All great points, all great points. And we've had some
great calls to I'm really proud of my audience tonight.
I think they have risen to the occasion.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Wait, be part of yourself, seriously, and I know the
call is Alsis would agree because you're the quarterback of
the show. So props to you too, Dan for a
good show.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I appreciate that. Bops, thanks much too. Con All right,
my friend, we'll talk soon, Okay, thank you. We'll be
back on night's side. Right after this. This is a
very quick break. The only line is six one seven.
Who's up next? We got Sandra and Carver and Steve
in New Jersey and more. Back after this.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Night Side Studios on DOBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We're going to Sandra down in Carver. I haven't talked
to Sandra in a while. Hey, Sandra, welcome back to
Night's Side.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
How are you good?
Speaker 8 (12:10):
How are you I'm doing great?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So can you make any sense out of what went
down in the White House today?
Speaker 10 (12:16):
Well, I'll tell you. Zelenski came to this country and
hopes that if he came here and signed the rights
to his minerals and oil and gas.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, some of his rights, yep, right.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Some of us rights, not all of his rights, in
exchange for security. Trump refused to give him that security,
and I think that's what stopped the deal. That's my
understanding from listening to you know news.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So right, So okay, the question then for me to
you is how do you find so how do you
define security?
Speaker 10 (12:52):
Well, we've pretty much been over there with our equipment.
So if we're there in the country itself, are we
going to allow them to attack. I mean, I think
that just the fact that we're there may stop them.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, well, we're not there. We have equipment there, we
have sent missiles, we have sent you know, both the
Trump administration and the Biden administration have sent you know,
military assistance, and we've actually i think trained some of
their pilots. But we have no boots on the ground.
(13:29):
Ten to have any boots in the ground. The argument
that Trump was making, I think, was if you allow
us to invest, and the investment that we've made is
the billions of dollars that we have helped keep Ukraine alive,
we get fifty of these so called minerals and maybe
(13:51):
some oil and gas. Would that deter putin from attacking
a country where we had a physical investment. I think
that's Trump's perception of security. He believes that. I think
he's saying that he believes that will keep Ukraine safe
(14:11):
because not of our military presence, but our economic presence
in Ukraine. I think that's what he's saying. You agree
or disagree on.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
That, Well, it's hard to know what somebody else might
be thinking, but I think I was thinking more like
Zelensky was thinking, no.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, that's fine. So the question then is, obviously that
didn't persuade Zelensky. What do you think Zelensky is looking
for above and beyond what we've already done, and above
and beyond this economic deal that Trump was trying to
sell him.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
Well, first of all, we're not him. We're not sitting
in the middle of a country that's being totally bombarded
by missiles and bombs and people dying everywhere. And apparently
he is a soldier. Apparently there was some mention about
his dress, was dressed and fatigues or something.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, but he that he's not dressed as you know,
in a in a suit and tie. Stand that because
he's probably literally, if not in the front lines, near
the front lines.
Speaker 10 (15:15):
And right, that's my understanding is occasionally that was kind.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Of a cheap shot. Whoever was the reporter that asked.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
Him that, right, he's also Jewish. Jewish people very tough.
You don't come up against them, you don't scream at them,
you don't yell at them, you stay calm. I know,
I've been around them and they're good people, but they
are tough.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And all people can be tough when when pushed.
Speaker 10 (15:39):
Well, the Jewish what do you think.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Let me just ask you, what do you think Trump
failed to do today to make Zelensky agree? I think
they made a mistake when they opened it up to
to sort of the conversation between the Vice President Van's,
President Trump and President Silenski. None of that stuff should
(16:02):
have been discussed publicly. But once it was discussed, what
could have you know, what could have saved the deal?
I think once once that conversation started, it's like a
family argument, you know, once it starts at Thanksgiving over
the over the dinner table, the day's ruined. You know
(16:23):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
What I'm trying to say, right, Well, I think sometimes
the Republicans come on a little strong, which maybe they
should back off a little bit, talk a little bit
nicer to people, Okay, right. And also there is something
one of the other call has mentioned, Putin and Trump
(16:43):
too friendly. There was a caller in the past several
years that came on another talk program and he was
from the country that Trump hates Canada, and.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think he likes Canada. I think there's lank Trudeau,
but go.
Speaker 10 (16:58):
Ahead, well none none of the Canadians care for Trump anyways.
Pewtin and Trump were too friendly. There's pictures of him
even before he was a president with Pewtin. So this
probably that's what this person called to actually state, so timeless.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Tell My question is, and I know that's been said before,
and my question always is, if they were that friendly,
why don't Putin take advantage of that friendship and do
whatever he wanted to do while Trump was president because
he never he never came out of his cave when
Trump was president. He went and uh, and he invaded
(17:41):
a part of the state of the country of Georgia
south Assessia when when George Bush was president, and then
he took Crimea right after the soci Olympic Games when
President Obama was president, and then he invaded Ukraine while
(18:02):
and took the eastern part of the country while Biden
was president. But he never went he never went outside
his boundary whiles Trump was president. Why did he pass
on that opportunity when his when his buddy Trump was president,
that would have been a time to do something.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, that's my question. I'll leave it this rhetorical question.
All right, thanks Andrew, appreciate your call.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
All right, thank you, bye bye, Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Steven, New Jersey. Steve, You're next on Nightsaco right ahead.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
Well, now it's Steve in New York.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Damn Stephen, New York. Okay, see, well yeah, this is
my friend the truck driver. Absolutely, we do have some
Steve's in New Jersey. So so whenever I now have
to assume any Steve from from between Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts,
New York.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
And Jack, wherever I am is where I'm gonna say,
all right, go ahead, all right, so say.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Steve the trucker, so I would know, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Well, I tell Rob that Rob, uh, don't try. The
phone lines are so hot. I got a third degree
burn when I called it. It was amazing topic tonight.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
There's a hot topic. I wish the phones were hot
every night, right correct.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
So both presidents their expectations were not in that. So
when that happens, it's nothing good going to come out
of it. So for right now, the meeting was count productive.
Trump had his You know all, he he expected Silensky
to sign and Selinsky came in. What was he expecting
(19:35):
not to sign it? I think he was expecting to
sign it. And if we did, are we sending more
money to Ukraine, which Trump said he wasn't going to do.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
There was no money involved. There was no money involved.
He was going to go to get fifty of these
minerals that are important for computer chips. Apparently Ukraine is
very lucky it has those certain countries around the world
and some of these specific minerals.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Men.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Think of the periodic table when you were in high
school and you looked at the chemistry chart and said,
what the heck does that mean? And we were going
to basically take fifty percent of wherever this these minerals were,
and in payment for the contributions that we have made
(20:23):
to Ukraine's defense in terms of military weapons and armament
and all of that. Okay, so and Trump was saying,
you know, this will give you security, the fact that
we have an economic commitment in your country. And I
assume Zelensky must have bought the idea for him to
fly to Washington. And I just think the miss I
(20:46):
just think it all of it bubbled up. It's like
when you invite people to Thanksgiving dinner at your Auntie
so and so who doesn't like Auntie so and so
and Uncle so and so who really doesn't like and
you figure Okay, we're just going to be nice, nice
in talk and then someone says, yeah, by the way
(21:09):
it goes down, heill from there. But this is.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
Yeah, go ahead, Dan, if you've done.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't know, No I have done. I don't want
to interrupt you, not at all. Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
But I mean, first of all, when I'm on hold,
I got so many different thoughts, and you try to
put them all together. This, this question you asked the
last caller is a great question because Trump being in
caboos with Putin is fox fetched. He is not in
caboos with him. You don't negotiate with an evil regime.
(21:43):
You don't sign any treaties with them, because even if
they sign them, they never they're so evil they will
not you know, they will not do their end of
the bag, and they're always going to break the treaty.
So I think the only thing that going to come
out of this if Zulenski comes with his leakes between
(22:06):
you know, his tail between his legs. I don't know
if he's going to do that, but he he has
his back against the wall. What else can he do?
America's defending him in this country. He can't do it
by himself.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well he's got that he can get more help from Europe.
That's what he's going to bet.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
I think, Okay, well we'll see if that happens, but
we'll let it play out as you would say. But
before I go, I just want to say hi to
my my cousin, Sharon ol Santa Colida, California. If she
is listening. I don't think she is, but I told
her i'd be on. But child, Dan, you loved and
appreciate it. You better know that, right, we all love
(22:47):
and appreciate you. And yeah, she I gave her. I
said she can stream. She's not very computed tech techie,
so I don't think she just texted me and said
your president go ahead.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, send her. Uh, send her to more to Nightside
and demand dot com. She can listen to this hour
and listen Tom to you in.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
The radio, right, or I just send it to her.
I'll queue it up for her and send it to her.
But no, she got an argument with me. I don't
want to take a lot of time, but uh, we've
had a great relationship. But I said, Sharon, I can't
believe you have allowed a political figure to come in between.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Us like this.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Now she's texting me again, said did you hear what
you are?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Mike?
Speaker 9 (23:27):
And the blank blank President? Okay, go there, but anyways,
I won't keep you all right.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Dan, travel safely, safely, all right?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Thanks God.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Quick break. Here's the news at the bottom of the hour.
We're coming right back. These lines are just hot as
a pistol.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WAZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Back to the phones we go. He's had some really
good calls on both sides of the issue tonight on
the Trump Vance Zolensky Showdown, Slash, Donnie Brooke, whatever you
want to call it, in the Oval Office today, Ron
and Weymouth were on. You were next in night Side.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Thank you, Dan, it's good to talk to you again.
It's been off for a while. My analogy of the
whole situation, I'm not for either side, like in the middle,
you know, as an independent if you want to put that,
but basically put that aside. I think Trump was completely
transparent and he wanted to be that way, and Zelensky
(24:36):
kept talking over him. He invited him here and he
kept talking over them, and President Trump I believe felt
he was, you know, being pushed out of it as a
very important meeting. And you know, some parent, I think
it's apparent that President Trump only wants peace today's meetings,
So Lenslie, I don't think he can be customed whether
he speaks Ukrainian or English.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
It didn't come across them me like that. I think
one more thing, what was it?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Let me let me just disagree with you slightly. I
think that once President Trump began to participate in the meeting,
he sat back initially. If you watch, did you watch
it when it as it played out?
Speaker 11 (25:13):
To me?
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Yes, yes completely.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't watch the the the early part of the
meeting where it was all sort of ceremonial and polite
and welcoming and all of that. I I watched a
couple of times that the nine and a half ten
minutes of animosity that that you know flowed and uh.
And President Trump didn't say much. It was I think
(25:40):
Vice President Vance who sort of kind of kicked it
off a little bit, which which was paid already.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And then Zelinski was given opportunities to speak. Now again
his English a little limited, much better than my Ukrainian,
no doubt about that. Or Donald Trump was JD. Vance's Ukrainian.
But I thought that the President stayed out of it.
And then when Zelinsky basically said, if we don't stop
(26:09):
putin here, you'll see it someday or you'll feel it someday.
And that is when President Trump jumped in and said,
you know, don't tell me what you know you're going
to what we're going to feel. That that is I
think where President Trump was frankly very insulted.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Okay, yeah he did.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
And you know a lot of people, I mean, what
was the reason for that war in the first place.
I think people are forgetting about there's two sides to that,
and I'd like to get it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Tell me what the middle of it?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Tell me whoaa tell me what the Russian side? What's
the Russian side?
Speaker 12 (26:45):
Well, the Russian side is that that Putin said that
operation to invade was to protect the people of the
Russian controlled breakaway republics, and he was basing that, I
claimed on the Russians in the Dawnbas region.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
I think there was had been facing humility, humiliation, and genocide.
It was perpetrated by the Kiev regime for eight years.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So that was that was I think that that that
we would Essentially I would look at that and say, look,
they invaded, the attacked Ukraine. Is Ukraine, okay, And the
fact that they were Russian speaking people in Ukraine. It
would be as if Mexico attacked us because somehow we were,
(27:29):
uh we were bothering Mexicans living in this country. But
I think it was very clear. Let me ask you
who is the aggressor Ukraine or Russia?
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I think it was both.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
I started, well the aggressor first of all, because.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I started it. That was run who started it? Did
Ukraine attack Russia?
Speaker 12 (27:57):
That that that that is one way that well they
actually fit you know, physically, did military eventually?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, eventually they did. It was like we eventually bomb Tokyo,
but it was about three years after they hit Pearl Harbor.
Will we the aggressor? And anyway, hey, Ron, look, thanks
for calling. We're going to kind of disagree a little bit,
but I'm glad that you presented your point of view.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Well.
Speaker 12 (28:22):
I try to do that and try to stay out
of the middle of it and bring it all out
so other people come in and maybe see what they
have to say.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
You know, yeah, come on again, Yeah, thank you mam.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You soon let me go next, Joe and Lynn. Joe
next one. Nice, I go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
Hey, Dan, Glad, do you take my car? I agree
with Glenn Russia. You're right, Russia started the war. I
think they did. Am I right on that Russia started
with Ukraine. You asked for.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Fourth twenty twenty two. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Yeah, So I think they're both crooked. Putin and Lewinsky
or whatever his name is, Zelensky, and he's he's a browbeater,
he interrupted Trump. I don't think he meant to sign
that agreement. I think what he wanted was to get
his own way. You may agree or disagree, but I'm
on Glen's side on this. I'm pretty much in isolation.
It's not most of it. And we need to stay
(29:10):
out of these because once we get involved with this,
we'll never get out. And you know, we're still over
in Germany protecting Germany, protecting this. We have to stop.
They have to take care of themselves. I mean, we
take care of everybody but our own, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I understand that argument. I think that we have we
have a real big responsibility. We're the big dog in
the block, and I think that our presidence, I think
we can withdraw I think we can pull back from
some places, but I don't think I ask you a question.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I want to ask you a question. What do you
think is going to happen next? If if the the
Ukraine president says I don't want anything to do with you,
I don't want it, can we just pull out of
there and let him handle it and see whatever happens
is that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We're we don't have any troops in there. We have
we have armaments, weapons, yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And if Donald Trump says, hey, we're cutting you off,
good luck with with fighting Russia. I mean it'll be,
it'll be.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
He said that the military he's thinking of withdrawing military
support because we gave them all this money and what
did they do to it? They probably blew it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Who knows we gave them military support. We gave them.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Military Yeah, we ga. We gave them tons of money
to dan and no one knows what.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But it was mostly military support. Trust me, trust me.
All right, Joe got it right, Thank you, thank you much,
appreciate it. Okay, We're going to try to get four
people in in the next few minutes. We got to
take a quick break, Jack, Sean, Christine and Susan, Susan, Europe. Next,
we're going to try to give everybody about three minutes
(30:48):
and let's be fair. Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Now, back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
All right, where are we going? I'm gonna go to
Susan and Cambridge, Susan. We're a little late, normally I'm
very generous in time. I cannot find right, I'll try
not to interapt.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Go ahead, okay, just to your last call, I just
wanted to say that, you know, much of that military
aid was actually plowed right back into our own economy
because it was you know, weapons that we build. Yeah, yep,
so we we put that right into our manufacturing economy.
So we're not really out you know, tons and tons
of money by any means.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
And uh uh that.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Was a complete national embarrassment, international embarrassment.
Speaker 13 (31:37):
Today.
Speaker 11 (31:37):
The only person who benefited from that was Putin, as
far as I'm concerned. And but did you notice how
reflexively Trump uh defended Putin? Like you know, he said
the whole you know, Russia hoax, and you know he
was attacked to just like me, and so he just
constantly aligns himself. And then when he was discussing how
(32:02):
you know he couldn't make a deal with Putin if
he was critical of Putin, like he can't just you know,
you know, call him a dictator. But somehow he's able
to call Zelensky a dictator. So I mean, there's just complete,
you know, obvious biased for Putin and Russia's side. And
(32:24):
my question is if he is not willing to provide
any uh, the minerals deal, I'm not a seguine as
you are about it. I thought it was a shakedown,
a protection racket without the protection. And if he is
not willing to provide any sort of what Zelensky seemed
(32:45):
to be asking for today was the Europeans seem to
be willing to put peacekeepers in, but he wants the
US as a backstop to that, and Trump isn't willing
to do that. And so my question is, if he
is not willing to provide any security guarantees, why is
he the person who thinks he should be negotiating the steal?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, he believes that the security of US having a
commitment of financial interest in the ground is a commitment
that how long does that.
Speaker 11 (33:18):
Take to get up and running. I mean, that's not
it's not going.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
To be there tomorrow. You could be done tomorrow. That
that's easy, that's easy. They're not talking about this, this
saying that we now have fifty of our interest in
this whatever the area would be. Uh, and therefore that
in of itself would prevent Putin from going after it will.
Speaker 11 (33:39):
Take other areas, so we'll go in other areas. I mean,
nothing is.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Going to get It's not like no, it's not like
you can say, okay, let's say that the mineral deposits
were in America. Let's say in the state of Colorado. Uh.
But we would not say, okay, well he invaded Maine,
that's okay, and he's going to invade the state of
Oregon too, but that's okay. No, No, that's that's his argument.
(34:04):
Zelensky's not buying the argument. But let me tell you,
Putin has said it's a un starter for NATO to
be involved anymore directly with Ukraine. I think if you give,
if you are able to give Trump the benefit of
(34:26):
what he's saying, I think he's concerned that this thing could,
like World War One, blow up into something much bigger.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
But he is also insisting that Europe does provide peacekeeping.
I mean, he has said that. Trump has said that
he's just not willing to backstop it. So I mean
it seems like, you know, if there's going to be
a ceasefire or a peace still, there's going to have
to be peacekeepers, correct.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But it would have to be agreed to and they
wouldn't have to be necessarily European. The peacekeepers is a
matter of fact, probably wouldn't be European. In reality. I
think that you'd bring in peacekeepers from countries in other
parts of the world. I think I don't think I
wants to see British or French peacekeepers in Ukraine.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
Realistically, No, he probably doesn't, got it.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So you've got to come up with something that you
got to have something that everybody can agree on, and
that's that's Look, hey, we will talk longer the next time.
But thank you, great point you made. Thank you very much. Okay,
let's keep rolling. They're going to go to jack Down
in Born by the Bridge, Jackie next door Nightsager right ahead.
Speaker 14 (35:37):
Oh hey, Dan, I know you don't have a lot
of time, but you know how the President had a
bruise on his hand. My prediction is that Sussie Wilds
will have a big bruise on her forehead from banging
it into a desk that there is, and I also
predict she will not last for another month or two.
(35:57):
There's no way.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
He's just.
Speaker 14 (36:01):
I thought she was going to bring control to the
White House and she's not. I haven't seen her anywhere.
He's just completely out of control. I've never seen anything
like that. That was just I didn't touch the whole thing.
But you know, the White House should have handled that differently.
They should not be having an open debate in front
(36:21):
of them meeting, no.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Question, no question, And I think that that was the
was the fatal flaw here, all right. And again, as
I've said on several occasions that I will repeat myself
one time because they haven't said in a while, it
was amazing how much of the bile that that Trump
still holds towards Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and the
fifty one people who who I think did write a
(36:47):
memo that was in retrospect, inaccurate and actually scurrilous that
this was the Hunter Biden laptop was It was not
Russian disinformation as they suggested. They didn't say it was
they said it all the appearances of and that was
trying to influence the twenty twenty election, and for some
reason Trump can't let that go.
Speaker 14 (37:08):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not a fan of having these
open meetings with the media. And yeah, I mean, and
then and even the way they're treating our allies, and
you know, just do the stuff behind closed doors. Do
it diplomatically. Don't embarrass your friends, don't you know. I mean,
(37:29):
I've said this to a couple of people. If if
if you had a friend that spoke to you the
way that he is speaking to some of our allies,
would you ever forgive them? Would you ever trust them? Again?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And I agree you get the last word in. But
I've got to keep rolling here because I got five people.
Thanks Jack, Carl earlier, more time, Thanks Sean and Habril. Sean.
Want to get you in at least one more in
Please go ahead, Sean.
Speaker 15 (37:58):
Hey, Dan, I know you don't have a the time.
I just want to say I got to concur with
your last two callers there. I think this meeting was
incredibly damaging for American image across the world. We essentially
told all of our allies we will not have your back,
we will turn on you, and we will sell you out.
(38:19):
I don't think the mineral deal makes a whole ton
of sense. I think it's a kin to you know,
should we have taken bushels of wheat from the French
and the British after World War Two? I don't really
think so. I think that investing in rebuilding them, creating NATO,
and essentially having an economic hegemonomy up until now was
(38:41):
probably a better investment. I think this was a complete embarrassment.
It was insulting. They asked a man who's been fighting
a war for multiple years, why don't you have a suit?
I feel like it's pretty self expressed.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, that was asked by a reporter, as I understand that,
I did not hear that, But people have said that
was asked. That wasn't asked by Donald Trump or jd. Vance.
Let's make that.
Speaker 15 (39:05):
Clear of it wasn't. No, it was asked by a reporter.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you have no idea who the I
don't know who the reporter was. Let's try to find out,
Sean you've called late. I got to run because they
want to get one other person. Thank you much, appreciate it. Course,
all right, Don, and Indiana, don you have him waiting
that long. I got one minute and you got final word.
Speaker 13 (39:26):
Go ahead, Don, Okay. Well that reporter was Brian Glenn,
who is a host on Real America's Voice and is
Marjorie Taylor Green's boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Okay, Well, thank you very much for that information. Obviously
I know where he's coming from at this point.
Speaker 13 (39:42):
Yeah. So I think it was, you know, just another
tweak and very unhelpful. You know, when Zelensky comes as
the head of a sovereign country, he should be treated
as an equal. I think there's that expectation that he
should bow and scrape, and that's obviously not the way
you treat.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
The leader of.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
Another sovereign country at any rate. Yes, it was a
terrible day and it's hard to see how this has
made better. All right, well, Trump was further in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, let us see how it works out eventually. We've
had a wide variety of viewpoints tonight. That's what I
wanted to do. I wanted to get as many different
points of view and by the way, I think my
audience split fairly half and half on this which which
shows me that there's a lot of people listening to
this show, like yourself, who may agree with me on
some things and may disagree with on others. But I
(40:36):
appreciate you participating tonight and continue to do so.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
Thank you, don Thank you, good night.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Good night. Okay, we are done for the week. It
was a wild week. To Christina and Ricardo, I apologize,
just ran out of time. I'll get you on the
other side next week. I wish everyone a great weekend.
I want to thank Rob who was working very hard tonight.
I want to thank Marita who worked very hard all week.
And we are back on Monday night. I promise you
(41:03):
we have some great shows coming up next week. On
Monday night, we will talk with a member of the
editorial board of the Boston Globe, Donald Trump will speak
to Congress on Tuesday night, CPA Mark Missile back back
on Wednesday night, and State Auditor Diana Dezaglio on Thursday.
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(41:24):
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loved you and you love them. I do believe you'll
see them again. We'll see you again on Monday night
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