American Airlines Flight 5342, Fish Attacks Mermaid Performer, TikToker Slams Period Actors, Woman Denied Lyft Ride Due to Weight, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started with
the story of the day.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We have really tragic, sad news out of DC last night.
This was making me sick when you sent me a
text about this. So American Airlines Flight fifty three forty
two was headed to DC from Wichita, Kansas and as
they were preparing to land on the runway, a military
helicopter somehow was in the same airspace and crashed into

(00:46):
the plane, causing it to go into the Potomac River.
And unfortunately, at this time they don't think there's any survivors. Yeah,
I mean, they gave up rescue efforts, it even seems
in the middle of the night because the water is
so cold, it's thirty six degrees and they, i mean,
first responders were there so fast and they were able

(01:07):
to access some of the people, but unfortunately all of
the people that they found were already dead. Not sure
exactly what the cause of death is yet at this time,
because they're gonna have to do death investigation and autopsies
and everything, and there can be different causes of death
for the people they don't all have to have the

(01:29):
same cause of death. But unfortunately, it's just so freaking
scary that I just really couldn't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Because when I first heard the news last night, I
was watching TV and I saw all the fire trucks
in DC, right, So I texted Gabe and just said like, hey,
why don't you text your friends because it looks like
there's something happened with a plane. And I just was
assuming it was like a little personal plane.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Well that's how they were first reporting it was it.
They just kept saying small plane. So I'm thinking, you know,
private plane JFK junior level.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking too.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But this was a commercial airline with sixty four people
on board.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, so I that's what When I said, oh it
came from whichitah and it was American Airlines, I was like,
what the fuck? This is an actual commuter plane, Like,
what the hell? So, I mean, it's crazy because that
just doesn't really happen like that. And then when you
watch the videos, you just don't understand how it possibly
happened because it just looked pretty clear to everyone else

(02:34):
that there was a plane right in front of the helicops.
I just don't understand it. But we don't really know
anything right now except that they've as of right now
when we're recording, they have recovered twenty seven bodies from
the airplane and one body from the helicopter, and that's
all we know. But the plane apparently had sixty four

(02:55):
people all together, right, sixty passengers and four crew member. Yeah,
and then the helicopter had an additional four people, I believe,
So as of this time, they're saying that everyone is
presumed dead. I mean, just terrible.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, So, I mean I found I came across this
article from CNN from twenty thirteen that they almost had
an identical situation happened with a military helicopter and a
commercial airline, but at the last second they were able
to realize and the flight was able to divert and
not get hit by the helicopter. So I think there's

(03:32):
a lot of controversy about, you know, how this went down,
how did this possibly happen. I was listening to some
of the air traffic control calls this morning, and it
seems like they only realized that seconds before it happened,
and then they had to close the airport last night.
I don't even think it opened to eleven today, so

(03:53):
it's really scary. And they're saying, now, this is, you know,
the deadliest crash since another plane crash that happened right
after nine eleven, where this commercial airline crashed into a
neighborhood in Queens, where two hundred and sixty five people died.
So two hundred and sixty people on board and five
people that were in the neighborhood. It's really sickening when

(04:13):
you see why don't you remember that when it was
right after nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
That was such a crazy time. I just don't. I
mean I was in the heat of going to school
and stuff, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention enough
to the news. Just like off the top of my head,
I just don't even remember. I remember the one that
landed on the Hudson, which was crazy, that was insane,
But now I kind of remember it now that I'm
thinking about it. But it's the whole entire thing is

(04:44):
just not said. The aviation accidents are just really messy sometimes.
This one, obviously, when we watched the video, you could
see there was an explosion and you could see now
that it's daytime. You could see pictures of the fuselage
in the water, and you could see that there's like
a giant hole and mangled up area where the impact
took place. But then the rest of the plane is

(05:06):
pretty intact. And that's why I say that you might
not see the same causes of death in people because
from the area of impact you might see injuries like
blunt trauma, and even from the explosion you would see
different injuries there. But then the people on the other
end of the plane that was completely intact, they could

(05:26):
have still been seat belted in and submerged underwater, and
they could have had a cause of death of drowning
or hypothermia because the water was so cold. I mean, honestly,
the water was thirty six degrees. The water of the
Titanic it was twenty eight. So just think about that.
It's not really too far different. And we know how
that ended up when people were in the water too long,

(05:49):
and it would only take twenty minutes to start feeling
hypothermia in that situation, So it's just frickin' terrible.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, Now you know, we're starting to get some identities
of people that were on the plane. I don't know
if you saw this, but this woman that was on
the plane texted her husband and said, we're landing. I
guess through the plane.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Everybody does that, and that's what I was thinking, Like,
think about every single time we pick each other up
from the airport or something like that, and you say, okay,
look i'm I see the ground, I'll be down in
five minutes. I'll call you to come pick me up
when I get my luggage or something like. All those
people waiting there and essentially they saw it all happening
right out the window, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, it's it's absolutely horrible. Some of the people on
board were also there was Russian figure skaters World champions.
There was also some US members of the figure skating team.
So the Olympic Association has been putting out some you know,
just memorials and like kind thoughts about how tragic the
loss of these people are. And it's really sad. I mean,

(06:52):
they the good thing about technology is that we know
every single person that was on that plane based on
who checked in, what their boarding passed, right, So they
know exactly who they're looking for in these accidents.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and they know what's and that's why when when
they said, I mean there was a couple things that
this is what makes me personally think that that there
were some people that were just intact and easy to find.
Because when you see the plane the tail portion of
the plane completely intact like that, it's like the first
responders nowhere to go right away. The bodies are there

(07:26):
and they're seat belted in and they're very it's very
easy for them to go and find them, whereas if
it was because sometimes when you see aviation and accidents,
they're just so bad and the crash causes just body
parts and stuff to be everywhere, and imagine in the water,
like they wouldn't be able to find people as easily.
So they might even specifically be able to say, like

(07:49):
they got this one out of this seat and so forth.
But they're going to send all the bodies to the
medical Examiner's office to get identified, and that could be
a process to depending on how the condition of the bodies.
It's just going to take some time, and they probably
should do an autopsy on everyone just to see what

(08:09):
the cause of death is, especially if their bodies are
intact at least, so they could provide death certificates, and
of course there's going to be litigation obviously, so I
guess we'll just keep updated. I guess next time we
record next week, it's just going to be way more detailed,
So we'll talk about it some more next week.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I think, I think we'll have definitely more details
over the next couple of weeks. But I mean, investigations
like this could take years sometimes to figure out exactly
what happened, so it's going to.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Be a while.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
But it's just it's really sad. It may be really
sick to think about. I'm sure people that fly regularly
have anxiety about it, even though, like plane crashes are
pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, but it's unsettling.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Someone put a statistic up that was insane actually, that said,
since the last plane crash, which was that one you
were talking about, I guess there's been And what year
was that too?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was two thousand and one, so.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It was right after nine to eleven, So since then,
there's been like one hundred and fifty million flights. Think
about that with no I mean, besides, you know, a
door flying off an airplane or a person getting sucked
out a window like there there hasn't been a major
incident like that well, which is kind of remarkable. Like

(09:28):
you did the statistics, like it's very very safe to fly.
I think it's important to note too, the last plane
crash I was referring to with in Queens was just
based on the United States. I mean, there was just
two really bad plane incidents in Russia and South Korea.
We didn't even cover those. Yeah, because like there's there's
so many planes stores. I mean this we could turn

(09:49):
this show into like a plane accident show at this point.
There's so many stories. But to have three back to
back like that is very just like it's very gross
to think about, and I don't know, it makes me
not won to fly every Do you think it's sus
I mean, I think everything Lauren.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
We were talking to Lauren today, she's all on that shit.
I think that, you know, because of how unbelievable it
is that this is truly an accident in today's day
and age, with all the technology we have, that it's
hard not to go into conspiracy theories about it. But
I think, like Gabe was saying, there were humans involved,

(10:32):
so it just naturally makes error very possible and yeah,
and that was another thing he said too. He's just like,
let's just wait until more information comes out and we're
going to hear that the people on the ground are saying, Oh, this,
we knew this was going to happen. We've had near
misses before that we didn't even hear about, Like you
were talking about earlier, that there was a near miss

(10:55):
at you know when was that a couple.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Of years or twenty twenty thirteen, But like we might
not really hear about all. You know, more stuff will
come out for sure, but let's let's get into We
don't really have much in celebrity news, but I thought
this story was kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
No, I think this story is pretty good. So this
chick posted on TikTok calling out actors who are in
period pieces that have obvious cosmetic procedures, you know, like
botox fillers, preston plants, things like that, and just saying,
if you're gonna like you shouldn't even be making it
past the audition because it totally removes you from the story.
And I really agree with this, but like.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
How are you going to find an actress that doesn't
have all this stuff? It's just kind of like, well,
I one particular example, which I am sorry to slam
this actress because I think she's a pretty good actress,
But there's this chick in nineteen twenty three.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
She was also in Landman. Her name's escaping me at
the moment, but she has a lot of fillers that
are so obvious that you're looking at this woman that's
supposed to be in nineteen twenty three and you're like, okay,
Like she looks absolutely nothing like anybody that was alive
in nineteen twenty three. I think every actor, for the

(12:11):
most part, has both hawks and fillers and everything, but
there are actors that don't have as much that it's
not as obvious. And I think some shows do a
really good job with this, Like The Gilded Age is
a more recent period piece, and I think most of
the main actors in that show have the subtle work done,
but it's not as blatantly obvious as other ones.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know what's kind of interesting, which might be a
totally you might not even think that this is relevant,
but Gabe, when we were doing our family movie night,
he picked Brewsters millions. Have you ever seen it? It's
from the eighties. I don't even feel like explaining the plot.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But it's an age.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It's just it's an eighties movie and Richard pryor John Candy.
But I noticed that the women in the in the
movie just looked very old. And I know that they're
my age, but like now, when you look around at
people that are forty five years old, like they just
don't look that old. You know, they don't have wrinkled

(13:12):
like for the most part, because so many people get
botox and fillers and things like that. Like it's just
like that's the way it is right now with all actresses.
I mean you just and some of them are just
so extreme. I mean people are getting surgeries and stuff.
And look at people like j Low and Demi Moore

(13:33):
and stuff, like these people aren't They're like one hundred
years old and they look they look like incredible, you
know what I mean. Like it's because of all the
work they gets one so I think finding an actress
like that is unrealistic, but it is. It is interesting though,
because you know that there's actors all the time that

(13:54):
they do these extreme things to their bodies to get roles,
like gain a lot of weight or lose a lot
of weight or or you know, to really fit in
the role. And I could see what the girl was
saying in the article basically like, you're watching this and
you don't really feel like you could get fully immersed
because you're like, oh my god, that girl has had
a Brazilian butt lift or something.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
You know. Well, I think it's more. I think it's
unrealistic to not get an actor in today's Dane's it
doesn't have any work done. But I really am going
to stick to my guns about the Some people definitely
go really overboard, and it's extremely obvious that they've had
all that work done. So I do think if you're
taking the time and all the extra money it takes
to make a period authentic television show, and you're making

(14:37):
sure the costumes and the props and the hair and
the makeup are all extremely accurate, you can't have somebody
that very clearly has lip injections like really Veneers, Well yeah,
and Veneers. I feel like, you know, you could definitely
argue that, but it's not even as blatantly obvious. But

(14:59):
I don't know, I think it is kind of stupid
when you're taking all the time to make every other
component of the show incredibly historically accurate, and then you
have this person that looks absolutely nothing like a person
at the time, when there are people that exist that
could look like that.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
But but the thing is to their defense, like how
do you really know what a person of the time
looked like, especially once like pre photograph, Like you kind
of don't really know? Well you don't, but I mean,
like you, for example, I think that you have really
good teeth, and I don't, no, you do, like because

(15:37):
I'm gonna explain this, like you'd ever had braces and
we never whiten your teeth and you don't have veneers,
so your teeth like in theory, if you were around
in the seventeen or eighteen hundreds, your teeth would have
looked like that. Like there's people that have nice teeth.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well that's why the veneers.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, I guess, I guess it's different because like
we have toothpaste and everything like that. But still there
were people that had nice teeth. It was just like
not it might not have been as common obviously because
oral healthcare wasn't as much of a thing, but you
know what I'm saying, there's and there's also people that
were it might have been older that didn't have as

(16:16):
many wrinkles because you know, skincare and everything's been a
thing forever, and there's people that always have been trying
to not look older and everything. But I get what
you're saying. They're like the and and like a Christy
Tigan type that just looks like well, that's what I'm
talking about. Nature like people like her that have there
are doesn't even look like a human being. There's like you.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
For me, it catches my eye that you just look
and you're like, WHOA like when I look at you,
for example, I don't I don't think it's blatantly obvious
that you have botox right like you get to do.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Thanks doctor Dmitri. If anyone lives in the South Jersey
Philadelphia area, please go to a med spat at RIZERI
because doctor Dimitri is the best.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So but you continue small plug there for him. You've
been getting injections forgive or take twenty years. Correct about that,
because yeah, okay, but listen to my defense. I didn't
I didn't actively seek it out. One day I was
I was twenty I was twenty seven years old, and
I was working in the hospital. And then one of

(17:20):
the pathologists who happens to be like this. She was
a little bit older than me, but like a hot chick, right.
She was a dermatic pathologist. So she did skin too,
and she came up to me and she was like,
you have a wrinkle in between she was she was
polish too, right, which which she looks at me and
she's like, because we're part polish too, And she's like,

(17:42):
you have a little wrinkle in between your forehead. You
should go get botox. I'll send you across the street.
This is over to dermatology and they'll they'll do it
for free for you. And I was like, okay, thanks.
I didn't ever I didn't ever think about it, but okay.
And that was I mean, that was when it wasn't
just as popular as it. She's like, yeah, they just
put an injection in your forehead and it makes it

(18:02):
so you can't Like, as I'm talking about this, my
eye is twitching so bad. It's like not a good
it's not a good sales point for botox. Like my
eyes all like, my eye has been twitching the last
three months. I can't stop it.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So anyway, side notes, So so yeah, so she just said, oh,
they just put something in your forehead it and it
paralyzes your muscle. And the funniest part is so I
go and get it done. And then a couple of
days later, I was sitting in the office with Andre
who was one of the other pas, and he was
a Russian guy, and he was just like he was
so funny, but like not intentionally funny, and he was

(18:40):
like staring at me, and I was like, what are
you looking at, dude, And he's.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like, I don't, oh, just you look different.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And I was like okay, and I didn't even think
about it, like I forgot that I had the botox enough,
and he was like, it.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Looks good though, it's just different.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
So so but from then on I was like a
hardcore okay, I'm doing this, but I didn't have it.
I didn't get it for years though, because I didn't
get it the entire time I was pregnant and breastfeeding,
so that was like a period of three and a
half years, you know what I mean. Yeah, I didn't
get it at all.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
My point is you're forty five years old. I look
at you, and you look good, and you don't look
like you've had work done. I look at some other
like celebrities and influencers and stuff that I know for
a fact have been open about getting them done. But
it's not blatantly obvious. So I think there is a
way to go about it where you just get people
that aren't like the Chrissy Taguan types that have so

(19:43):
overboard had it done.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
So I well, I go because when I go to
doctor Dimitri, I'm always just like I just want like
the bare minimum, and I want to look like myself.
I don't ever go in there and say, like I
think think that's part of the thing is that people
go in there with pictures. I want to look like
this person like no, you know what I mean. I'm

(20:07):
just kind of like this thing is sagging and like
make it go away kind of thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And listen, that actress from nineteen twenty three is dropped
a gorgeous She is a beautiful woman. She doesn't look
like she lives in nineteen twenty three, And I'm sure
there's other actors that could have fulfilled the role. And
I'm just using that show as an example because it's
the most fresh in my mind. But I think this
is a more recent problem because even if you go
back to like Deadwood or Madman or something. People were

(20:33):
getting both acts at the time, but it wasn't as
obvious because people weren't going so overboard with it, so
you could have these actors that looked pretty authentic to
the time.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
That is so good. I fucking love that show.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's far the best shows.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
We need to move on because we have a lot
of good stories.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But I've said my piece, don't yes spend all your
time making it authentic if you're not really gonna take
all the steps freak accidents. This is truly unbelievable. You
thought this story was AI. So at its aquarium in China,
they have these aquatic performers who go in tanks and
dress like mermaids, which they do in.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Our country too, So that wasn't the part that I
thought was AI. But continue, No, the.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Video looks crazy, but this performer's in the tank doing
her thing, swimming around, and this giant fish comes over
to her and suddenly bites her head, Like her whole
entire head goes in the fish's mouth and her head
snaps in a weird way. So I saw the video
on Instagram, but it was like it was late last
night and I didn't have the volume on and I

(21:36):
was just I watched it and I was like, oh,
that's Ai and I scrolled through it, and then Maria
sent me an article like, no, this is a real
this is a real story.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
I just I can't even believe it.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's nuts looking, it's really crazy. You know, it just
gets worse because you know, she was able to quickly
free herself swim to the surface, and then her boss
was basically like, get back down there and don't say anything.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Like Ira Banks on America's Next Top Model, Like you
smile even though you have the flu and you're dying,
Like you go down there and you put a face on.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
You know. I've rewatched that show in recent years, which
that was one of our favorites when like added to
the list of shows they probably shouldn't have been watching
it at inappropriately young age. But that show's really fucked up.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I see clips of it from time to time on Instagram.
There's always these clips that are like, oh, this is
what women in the nineties were dealing with, and it's
just like all of these clips of them saying that
people are fat, and they're just like they're like a
size eight.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, not even like like a size four. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, Like it's just so it's so outrage it's Johannis
Dickinson was a big one that was telling people that
they were fat all the time.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
One time at my internship in New York, one of
the fashion editors got a pair of jeans that were
a size four as a gift, and she threw them
in the room and was like, I'm women in these.
Somebody take them. And I'm like, I would die to
be a size for.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'd be I'd die to be swimming in a size twelve.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I Like, it's like unbelievable. But yeah, And she was
like an assistant editor too, not even a main editor.
So I'm like, you're really snobby for your job.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
But I haven't been a size for since like second grade,
for real, I'm not lying to Like that's that's truth.
So all right, we're getting very side tracked today. So
they gave you a hundred dollars and we're like, shut
up and this. So I was trying to find out
what kind of fish this is, because this thing isn't
like it's it's like a shark sized fish. It's a

(23:41):
huge fish. But and I couldn't find it. It just
said that they have rare fish in this aquarium. Thingful,
but I was trying to see if it had I
don't think it had teeth. It just was crazy that
this whole entire thing like engulfed her head and then
spit it out quite quickly.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
It really just looked like she had a black guy
from the injury. It said she got neck, head, and
eye injuries from the bite, but she seemed to be okay.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think too, that she was wearing goggles and the
thing knocked the goggles off, and I think that the fish,
just the goggles pushing against her face is actually probably
what cut her face. I totally could see she had
neck injuries because it looked like she had whiplash after
the thing like spit her head out. But I don't know,
like I I just don't even know what to say

(24:28):
about it, you know what I mean? You know, like
I'm a I know you wear glasses too, but I'm
a glasses wear and when people hit my glasses against
my face, it just it hurts so bad. And I
always get a bruise just because of the anatomy, and
there's not really much subcutaneous tissue with the hard plastic
pushing against your face. So well, somebody hits a pair

(24:49):
of goggles that like would bruise you.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know, well, your glasses are basically goggles. You only
wear like extremely thick ones. So I wear really thin ones,
and even if they do hit my face, they're not
nearly as painful. But another ridiculous story that happened in
Brazil was this OnlyFans model was filming a threesome on
a hotel balcony and somehow slipped over the edge and
fell to her death.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't I don't know how this happened, but so
I guess they're going to do an autopsy on the
girl to see because there's there's just all these questions
like is this really what happened because you have two
men that are on a balcony and something and they're
having sex with a woman who ends up on the ground.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, they also reportedly gave conflicting reports of what happened,
so it's not looking good for them. So they're doing
an investigation to see if it was truly an accident
or if one of them pusher or something.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, I mean, they'll they'll look for evidence of sexual assault,
but like I don't know how you would prove that
in this kind of case. Like normally you don't get
certain injuries if there's very like rough four sex and
stuff like that, but this, I mean, woman was an
only Fans model and apparently she said that she was

(26:04):
doing this threesome. Well it wasn't the first, so they
have it on they had yeah record, so I and
and like if you're having sex with two different guys
like that, like you're gonna get more torn up than
you normally do. Probably, Like I don't know about that,
but I guess they have like surveillance that they're gonna
look at and see if they could figure out what happened.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
But I don't think they're necessarily looking into if she
was sexually assaulted. I think they're seeing if they push
her over the edge.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well they want to see if it was a sexual
crime or not. Though that's I mean, you know what
I mean, if it was involved with that, I don't know.
But it's the sad part is is that she has
a kid.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, and I'm like, it just seems it's totally unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, it's just it's just like senseless, and like what
was she like bent over the side of the edge.
Like they didn't really give any details. I'm just trying
to figure out how that even happened. I really don't know,
because like you're saying, like dead ass naked on the
ground below, Like no, she.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Might have been wearing some lingerie or something. You don't
really know the details of it. But yeah, I'll be
interested to see what they find and if they have
the entire thing recorded, and if they could prove that
it was done intentionally or not, because it's it's weird
that they're giving different stories about what happened, unless they're
just really flustered and they can't wrap up.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Also, like they could be married, Like there's a lot
of other things that could go on. It's kind of
embarrassing to say you were having a threesome with somebody
and they died or you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Like she had a boyfriend, but I don't know if
he was one of the participants.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I'm saying, like the guys could have been married, and
they don't you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Oh, yeah, I don't. I don't know, But it's they're
planning on publishing, well, they were going to plan and
publish it, So I guess the police are just gonna
hold onto that and try to figure out what happened.
All right, In Vietnam, this twenty four year old went
to his local medical center and complained of swelling. And
I don't understand this, but they were loosely monitoring him

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for three weeks and couldn't figure out what was going on.
Doesn't that seem like a long time?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, I couldn't really. I couldn't really figure out what
happened either. But apparently the guy was drunk and hanging
out with his friend and had a chopstick in his
nose I don't know why, and bumped into his friend
and then the chopstick ended up perforating through his nose
and getting and like breaking off inside of behind his eye,

(28:31):
like within his sinus, like close to his brain.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
But he like didn't realize this happened and just realized
the next day. Is I hurt?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
The only thing I could think is that the chop
because what happened was a it's not an entire chopstick,
it's the piece of the chopstick. So maybe he didn't
realize that a piece of it pushed up and broke off,
so when he pulled it out, he didn't realize it
was shorter than it was when he put it up there.

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That's all I could think of. I just like imagine
taking care of a patient that's complaining about having eyes
swelling and post coming out of the corner of their
eye and not knowing like this other half of the story,
and doing imaging and finding that there's a frickin' chopstick
embedded in their head. It's just snus.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I guess, like where I just get confused about this
story is that he said he was he sought treatment
seemingly pretty quickly, and that he was getting monitored for
three weeks before they did any scans. Doesn't that just
seem like a long time?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
This is this is another possible scenario. Maybe he said
at the first healthcare clinic that he had a chopstick
up his nose and he bumped into his friend, and
then maybe when they did an external examination and looked
up his nose, they they thought, Okay, there was some

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charm on the inside of the nose, like that's why
he's feeling this pain, Like it pushed up to like
if you stick a chop stick in your nose right now,
it's eventually going to stop, but if you push it
hard enough, it's going to keep going, you know what
I mean. So maybe that was it, and they were like, oh,
we're just treating this wound, like and listen. I feel
like if this this was not in America, correct.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was in Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, Like, I just feel like if you went into
an emergency room and gave that story, they would probably
here be like, let's do imaging and see what's happening. Yeah,
but like sometimes I don't know what's happening at other places,
but I'm thinking that that could be what it is.
And when he kept having symptoms that were the pain

(30:43):
kept being there, and then he started having that weird
symptom of pus coming out of the corner of his eye,
then they were like, okay, something he has an infection,
Like let's check this out. Yeah, I mean, that's the
only thing that could happened. And it's crazy because the
way that it went up. It's in his sinus, which
is normally a sterile spot, right, but because the chopstick,

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it was a dirty like used chopstick that he ate with,
so it had like food and bacteria from his mouth
on it. You're introducing germs that aren't normally there and
it created an infection and that's where the pus was
coming from. But it like luckily it didn't disturb his
vision at all. It just was like in this weird
space of the sinus.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I just whenever we cover stories like this, when things
are you know, stuck up, people's nose are near their brains,
I can't understand how they survive it. And it's like, oh,
simply he just got surgery and got antibiotics, and that
was that. There's a lot of different spaces that you
could fit things at just the right angle that you
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Speaker 2 (32:49):
These next three stories all have to do with people
committing crimes all for social media. And I feel like
this is taking over this section. It really is, and
it's really just making me concerned. I mean, let's get
into it first and then I'm just gonna express my
concerns as always. So first, we have a healthcare worker
nineteen years old. She's been charged with the felony after
posting a video where she was twerking on a disabled

(33:11):
person's head.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yes, and it's just one person. She's on video with
multiple patients twerking over their head. Again, a video that
i've been seeing on the internet for a week, and
I was like, I blew over it because I'm like,
that can't be real. That has to be a joke
of like some girl doing that, and that's her boyfriend
pretending to be disabled right there. Like I just literally

(33:35):
cannot believe this is a real thing. When you watch it,
you just can't believe, Like, what the hell was going
through this person's head. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't know. And like many of these other cases too,
she's smiling in the mugshot. Do we just have no
regard for what's right and wrong anymore? I don't know
what to say, you guys, I'll post the video in
the gross rooms. You could see it. It's just so
it's very weird. I just I don't understand. Did they

(34:06):
interview her and ask her like what were you thinking?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
So I think what are people thinking too?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Because you could That's what's most.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Concerning, because like it's like they don't even know it's wrong,
because if you post it on social media, of course
they're going to be able to find you easily. But
I don't even think that she realized that she was
doing anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's really concerning, and they believe that
she worked in an in home adult daycare program. So
I'm assuming if people are in an adult daycare program,
they have, you know, things going on where they obviously
can't take care of themselves, they might have cognitive disabilities.
And this person is just completely taking advantage of the
situation all to get likes. And it is like, what

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is going through your head that you don't think you're
going to get in trouble for this from even your employer,
let alone the police department.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
It's just it's not I don't I just don't understand.
I mean, if she was trying to get known she
did it. I guess if that's what she was trying
to do, I just don't understand.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, but you look like a complete idiot. It's not
like you became this viral TikToker and you made ten
million dollars trying to make all these videos. You just
you're nineteen years old. Now you have a possible felony
on your hands.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
You've ruined, You're ruined any chance of you ever working
in healthcare again.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, which are seemingly pretty good jobs. So what are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I don't I don't know. Well, we could say that
about all three stories in this category today, Like yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
This next story is in Australia. Police started looking into
this influencer after her baby was brought to the hospital.
So apparently this chick was online telling her following that
this baby had a terminal illness. But it really turns
out that she was feeding her pharmaceuticals and just unprescribed
drugs and making the baby sick and then filming the

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baby in distress to make it look like she was
ill and it was all to get followers and donations
from the followers.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
That's so gross. So what what happened when they sent
they so she brought the baby to the hospital at
some point, what like were they like? Because this is
the thing when you're not in medicine. It's the same
thing when when we're talking about remember last episode, we
were talking about that dad who thought that he grabbed

(36:25):
tongs and then he really grabbed the knife and then
tried to pass.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Off that marketing.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
He thinks he's out smarting the system. But the system
and the people that work in the system know how
things work, and if they see a baby presenting in
that kind of way, that's just very like they already
are triggered, like something else is going on here. So
what happened when the baby went to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean they go to the hospit she goes to
the hospital, and she's trying to just, I guess play
it off like the kids sick, and you know, they
they drug tested the baby, and they saw that all
these drugs were in the baby system that were not
the child. And then when they start investigating it more,
they find that the woman was going to all these
great lengths to cover up how she was getting the
drugs and even using remaining pills from another person's prescription

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in the household.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So I don't I've never worked in emergency medicine, especially
with children, but I believe that that's definitely not just
normal protocol to order a drug panel and unless like
the exhibiting specific. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they
just if a kid was genuinely sick, they wouldn't be like, Okay,
let's test to see if this kid's on drugs. Like
it's just it's just unusual. So I mean this was.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Her kid, yes, like she gave birth to That's that's
what I'm reading from the article, and.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
She was making videos for social media or was the
videos just so she could try to get money from
the GoFundMe.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
She was making. She was trying to make it seem
like she had a terminally ill child so that she
could get sympathy, which is kind of like what that
Huxley thing was doing, right. They were using this adoption
process to get more followers, So she was using it
to build a following and therefore get donations for this

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falsely sick child. But she was really making the baby
sick by giving it these pills that it shouldn't have
been taking and then videoing it like it was in
distress all the time, but nothing was.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Actually kind of life is this child going to have
when she grows up? I mean, she's one years old now.
She'll be fine because she'll obviously never be hopefully never
be let near this woman again. But when you this
is like an interesting thing that you're going to notice
too with the Internet, because like, if shit like this
happened fifty years ago, you might be able to find

(38:44):
like an old newspaper clipping that said your mom did
something horrible. But now it's like if that kid Google
searches the mom's name, Like all of these stories are
going to come up, and like, how do you feel
about that?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I don't think she's gonna have custody of this child
any longer, I would say, And so the kid's either
gonna have to go in the care of another family member.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Or yeah, but still like she's she's still going to
grow up and and know this happened to her.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and say this about
any victim of child. I know.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's just it's just it's just a weird thing to
think about that all of these people that are, you know,
kids right now, even the the OnlyFans lady that we
were just talking about, Like, eventually that kid that's a
baby right now of hers is going to grow up
and be a teenager and start googling and like when
you google your mom's name, like that's the story that's

(39:39):
coming up about them. It's I don't know, it's just
kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well, she's duing court tomorrow. She's been charged with torture,
administering poison, making child exploitation material, and fraud. She raised
about thirty seven thousand US dollars via GoF on me.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
So I guess now that was that was Australian dollars.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I thought, no, sixty thousand dollars Australia honey thirty approximately
thirty seven thousand US dollars. So I guess we're just
like that was worth I just yeah, I guess we're
just gonna see what happens to her. I mean, people
like this one hundred percent go to jail, and I
hope this kid ends up in the custody of a
person that actually cares for them instead of exploiting them.

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You know what I questioned too, I like all of
these people that were donating stuff. I wonder if anybody
suspected that this story wasn't real.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Because you know, when we talk about you know, it's funny.
I was talking to Lara the other day. Lara is
the one with the poop log story that we lost
it about a couple of weeks ago. But she was
telling me because we were talking about somebody in that
episode that faked cancer or something. Yeah, so she was
telling me that another person that we know faked cancer

(40:52):
as well. Oh my god. And it's like it's just
when anybody does like a they fake a medical thing.
When you start asking questions about it or you know,
questioning it at all. Then you sit there and say like, Okay,
that doesn't go along with the story, you know what
I mean, Like, I'm surprised that people because like all

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of these people that were watching these videos, some person
had to be a medical person and just would be like, well,
I don't understand these symptoms are weird or something, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Honestly, I think a lot of these people get away
with this for so long because you're seen as the
asshole for questioning it.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I mean that's true.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
So I think a lot of times people do have
speculations about people that do things like this, and then
when they, you know, bring it up to somebody else,
they're like, how dare you think that way? Because you
really don't want to think that a person is that
fucked up to act that way.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
We're hearing more and more stories about it, honestly, Like, listen,
this is you know, this is one of those things
that people have been faking illnesses and everything probably since
the beginning of time, right, but now it's in credible
with your kid is just it's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Well, because she wasn't just pretending the kid had an illness.
She was actually making the child sick, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
So the next story, though, is a little bit different
because it's just I think it's a person acting like
a fucking idiot and just got caught.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah. So this this person just took their three month
old baby and was wiping them on their car windshield,
wiping snow off, thinking it would be a funny viral video.
And you know what, my husband actually showed me this
video before I saw a news story written about it,
So I was fully prepared for this to becoming in
or be in the news because it's just like, what

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are you doing? That's a baby, it's cold.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
So I posted which I think is actually interesting because
I posted a video in the grosser room a couple
weeks ago, and it was this guy who had his
son who was probably about seven years old, like wrapped
up in a million layers of saran wrap really tight
with his arms tight, and then pulled it really hard
and like let the kid unravel. So I posted it

(43:05):
in the gross room to just be like okay, number one.
I just so happened to stumble across this on Instagram
and when I watched it, I was like, oh my god,
like that kid could have positional asphyxia and not be
able to expand his rib cage enough to breathe properly.
Or the way that he pulled them out and the
kid was spinning out of it could have like snapped

(43:26):
his freakin neck. It just was so crazy to watch
a video of a parent doing something like that and
it like probably it's it's like an innocent dad doing
a dumb thing, not even thinking about it, but like
really could have hurt the child. And I feel like
that was actually more severe than this guy putting his
baby on the windshield to clear the car or whatever.

(43:48):
I just kind of I don't really understand because in
that case of the one I posted in the gross room,
it looked like the mother was filming it, like what,
why are.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You okay with with.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Your doing some dumb shit like that.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, in this case, they said there was two other
females involved too, which one of them was possibly the
mother of the baby. I mean, this guy has as
of our research this morning, he has not been arrested,
but the police are working with the DA to get
a search warrant and an arrest warrant, So I don't
know if this is actually if he's actually gonna be
arrested or what I think this could you know, I'm

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not as I'm not surprised this became a news story
and got picked up, But I think this is a
little more innocent than other actions we have seen.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
That's I think that too. Like I'm looking at it
and I'm just kind of like, Okay, I wouldn't put
my baby on the windshield to clear off the car.
But like the kids, it looks like the kids in
a snowsuit.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
And it's his back. It's not like they shoved the
baby's face off the windshield and they're just like wea
like I don't know, I'm I don't know, like it
just it doesn't unless I don't know more, is that
the only part of the story, Like there's.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
No I feel like there if that's all while it is,
I'm just kind of like, this isn't even a story
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Because I feel like you can look at it and
definitely be like like you just said, okay, like I
wouldn't be doing that right, But whatever it was, it's
not that agree just compared to other stories we have
covered on here. But I don't know if there's more
to the story or there's more to the video, but
it genuinely just seemed like a dad put his baby

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and was just jokingly wiping the snow off. But I
guess at the same time, the police don't think this
is funny because you see these other stories of these
people doing horrific things with their children for views. Okay,
medical news, this story is really controversial. So this woman
is suing Lyft after a driver told her she was
too big to fit in his car. She claims that

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when she ordered the car and he got there, he
immediately locked his doors, told her she could not come
in the car and that she was too heavy for
his tires to handle. And she was fighting back, saying
she has fit in smaller cars. And it's been this
great debate about who was right or wrong.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
What I mean, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I think that lifts putting it out. As you know,
we don't condone discrimination, and I would agree that you
shouldn't discriminate, but I think this is a tricky situation
to be in.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, I mean, I I don't think that there's a
problem with this, Honestly, you can't. Nobody wants to discriminate
against people, but there's like a certain limit that you
just have to you know, if somebody pulls up with
a motorcycle and wants to put her on it, you
have to say no.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Like it's just that it's a safe It could be
a safety issue, I mean, a safety issue that we're
not talking about an average plus sized person. This woman
was almost five hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, And I mean I think that his argument with
the tires is probably pretty valid because most cars, like
an actual sedan kind of car, which was what this is.
It wasn't an suv or anything like that. It was
like a smaller Mercedes Sedan, they could hold like eight
hundred and fifty pounds on the tires and everything. Right,

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So if the guy is already two hundred pounds, I mean,
in theory, it probably would have been fine. But it's
his car, Okay, that's his vehicle. He's not driving a
taxi cab that he doesn't own or something like. That's
his vehicle. So I feel like, what if you pick
up a person that's like soaked in pissed, you can't
say you can't come in my car.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Because that's where I was gonna get at. Because there
is a level of like, you are a human and
you have a right to deny somebody, and he wasn't
being an like In my opinion watching the video, I
don't think he was being an asshole about it. I
think he was being extremely apologetic he told her to
order a larger car. I think you know, people are
gonna take it as him being an asshole because he

(47:51):
obviously didn't take her in the car and he was saying,
you're too heavy for my tires and everything. But I
don't really I see a problem with it necessarily.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
I'm gonna tell you an easy way around this. For
every Uber and Lyft driver that's listening, all you got
to say is if you don't fucking put a seatbelt
on in my car, you're not getting in my car.
There's no way that she could put a seatbelt on. Therefore,
I don't want you in there. You know why, because
if there's an accident, she becomes a projectile. And as
sure as fuck, don't want a five hundred pound person

(48:23):
getting pushed into me in a car accident because they're
not restrained in the car seat. And that should be
a rule with Lyft and Uber that you can't go
in the car if you can't buckle the seat belts
if that's what the driver feels safe with you. Really,
that's the biggest reason why you want people to wear
seat belts, because they fly around the car in an accident.

(48:43):
I mean, it's end of story. It's just a safety issue,
and it's a bait thing for some of these people,
like she wants to be able to be like, oh,
I'm suing you for discrimination and making a big deal
out of it. It's the same time when people of
that size go on an airplane and try to like
say they should get the seats for free and shit
like it's just it's your start in trouble and you

(49:05):
know it's gonna be trouble.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I don't understand why Lyft is liable because, as far
as I understand it, there those drivers are independent contractors.
So if you're gonna go after somebody, go after the driver.
I don't see how Lyft as a company is liable
for a driver. Let let's say he pulled up and
he just for no reason at all, was like I'm

(49:27):
not picking you up, and she wanted to say it
was discrimination. I don't understand how that's a company's fault
regardless of the weight issue or not. The company should
have Like I just was saying about the seat belt situation,
it should just be a policy. That's like it's up
to the prerogative of the driver if they feel comfortable
having a person that can't be restrained in the car.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
But also like just a safety issue. It's it's a
safety issue. And like if you if you don't want
to pick up a person, like you're saying covered in
piss or covered in or something, that could be seen
as discrimination as well. So yeah, and and like I
mean if I was a lift driver, if I if
there was anybody that I was like, for whatever reason,

(50:11):
I don't want this person in my car, I should
have the right to be like I don't, I'm not
picking you up. You could think it's discrimination all you want.
But like when you're talking about a person's individual safety
and property, which is their car, Like like let's say
for example, she got in the car and it fucked
the car up or something like that, then what like
is lift gonna pay for that? Probably not the damage

(50:32):
for that, Like it's you should just have the ability
to say that I think that this is all. It's all.
It's it's just all a show. But the problem is
is that they're gonna give her money to make her
go away, and that just pisses me off because it
just perpetuates this behavior that's you know, listen, like there's

(50:53):
I feel bad that that she's that heavy. It's the
same thing as being in a wheelchair, right, but like
every single place in the world can't accommodate a person
in a wheelchair. Most people try to as much as possible,
but like some places can't, and you just can't get
upset about that, Like we're the whole world. Functions for
the whole population, not just for a specific circumstance. It's

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not like you're turning down five hundred pound people all
the time.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
You know. Even if the driver was being a complete
asshole about the situation, I think he's gonna lose lose because,
like you said, if he led her into the car,
there could be a major safety risk, and if he
did exactly what he did, it could be seen the
other way. So don't I don't know, Like I definitely
don't think the drivers should be discriminating in general. Like

(51:40):
if you're a woman and the driver comes is like
I'm not taking you because you're a woman. That's one thing,
But like this, as you put it so simply, is
just a matter of a safety problem. So all right,
let's talk about this next case, going back to twenty
twenty one. So, this twenty nine year old girl felt
a crack in her neck after this personal training session

(52:00):
at the gym. She went to the hospital, got a
CT scan. They recommended a spinal tap to eliminate the
possibility of a hemorrhage, but she ended up declining and
seeking treatment with a chiropractor. So what happened from there?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So I don't I don't know exactly why they wanted
to do a spinal tap and that was their first
way to diagnose her with any kind of an issue,
but that was whatever. She declined medical treatment apparently went
to a chiropractor, and when she went to the chiropractor,

(52:35):
he did a manipulation with her neck, which they would
typically do, and then she ended up what happens afterwards,
because she ended up dying from this chirop manipulation, and
when they did an autopsy on her afterwards and they
figured out what happened. What happened was when she was
doing the first physical therapy treatment that caused the initial injury.

(52:58):
She was doing some kind of exercise with her neck.
She tore a vessel in her neck an artery that
caused a dissection. So the inside of the artery can tear,
and the blood that's inside of the lumen or the
inside of the artery could start making a track in
between the inner layer of the artery and the middle
layer of the artery, which creates a false track, which

(53:21):
could then cause the artery to rupture and kill a person.
But it also if it doesn't do that right away,
it just causes it to be painful. And the vessel
is that verse at risk of bursting at any time.
And so then when she went to the hospital and
denied the treatment, which even if they did a spinal tap,

(53:43):
they wouldn't have been able to see that.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
This is why I'm saying, I don't know why that
is the choice.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So she left and then went back, and then when
she went back, he did manipulation on her neck and
that gave her another tear in her artery right there,
the chiro the kira, and then this this increases the
risk of a stroke, and she ended up having a
stroke and then she died. So when they when they
do the autopsy, they find out that she had these

(54:09):
these dissections in her arteries which caused her to have
a stroke. But also they determined that she had this
underlying connective tissue disorder called they didn't say what it was,
but I'm going to say that it was probably Eller's
dwan Loos based upon what they said that she had
this underlying connective tissue disorder that wasn't diagnosed. And when

(54:34):
people have that disorder, and she had this, she had
this as well. She had a history of hyper flexible
joints and migraines. And when people have this this disorder,
their connective tissue, which is the tissue that's all over
your bodies, so with your skin, it could be in
your joint everything is like extra stretchy. So have you

(54:54):
ever seen on like Instagram videos or something of these
people that like can grab their skin and like stretch
it out really far, or they could bend their joints
like crazy ways.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
So they be the case of it in the book, Yeah,
we did, definitely.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So Eller's down Lost is a group of connective tissue disorders,
but sometimes people with this disorder can have problems with
the blood vessels that could cause them to be in
an increased risk of dissection. So a person that let's say,
for example, if if you walk into a chiropractor and
tell them that you have this, they wouldn't touch you,

(55:30):
right because they're scared of something like that happening. Because
these tears in the vessels and the a order to
it could happen with minimal to no trauma. So her
just getting her neck cracked at the chiropractor caused it, right,
I guess with this lawsuit, they're saying that he should
have like asked for her records from the hospital before

(55:52):
doing manipulation on her or something.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I think the argument now is going forward, they want
to make sure chiropractors are getting previous medical information, which
does before it was not mandatory.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
It doesn't matter, like as far as everything I read, like,
what's what's the difference, Like the hospital didn't know she
was having a dissection, and the hospital didn't know she
had other standloaws, So what's the difference. This is just like.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Because they're just looking for somebody to blame.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I mean, that's that's all. I I just I can't
really see if they knew she had this, this is
a whole other thing.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
But like she didn't even know she had it. Do
you think, though, in general, take away this case that
chiropractors should be getting everybody's medical history before doing on them.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I think that they are I mean most doctors. If
you go you recently went to a chiropractor, right, like,
do you fill out a health form of all your
different things that are wrong with you and stuff. It's
not like you just walk in and they start doing shit.
Well you there are doctors too.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
They're doctors too, Like they they are doctors too, and
you fill out a form. But I guess the argument
in this case is that they want you to request
the actual medical doctor.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
They are doctors.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Chiropractors are doctors. They're allowed to like, they ask the
questions they need to know in order to treat patients.
They shouldn't have to get Like that's just the most
outrageous thing I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Let me tell you to side note, like getting your
neck cracked, this is like a weird thing, but like
just in general, getting your neck cracked is so scary
to me. It's just the sounds it makes is just
uncomfortable and.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I just always think I have never done it, so
I'm just curious, Like.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
It feels good, but it's the sounds are horrible.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Ter But they I mean, they go to school and
learn how to do that. It's like all they learn,
you know what I mean, They learn anatomy, they learn
not to hurt people and stuff. This to me is
just like a freak thing. How the hell did you know?
It's I don't know, Yeah, maybe I am missing part
of the story or something. I just from what I read,

(57:58):
I'm just kind of like, yeah, if you got the
hospital clearly didn't know she was having that, because you
don't let a patient that's having an arterial dissection leave,
even if they want to leave, like they're going to die, right, Like, yeah,
they didn't do any of that. She thought she just
had a neck pain, you know, I don't know, Okay,

(58:18):
other death news.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
All right. Thank you to Klotah for sending this and
especially with your notes because it was very helpful and
understanding this case. So back in twenty twenty two, this
person who studies aging, do you want to say this
because that was the look of the garanty. I don't
I don't even have it because whatever whatever I wrote,
it changed it to dermatologists. Garante, I don't know. It's

(58:40):
it's some person that studies aging. So let her say
that thing you do is talk to text notes side note.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I well, because I'm I'm reading an article, it's just
easier to just do that, all right, So I don't.
I absolutely don't do not do talk to text and
text messages ever. I only the only time I literally read,
and when you're doing only when I'm only when I'm
doing notes for stuff I do because it's quicker. Because
you know, we were talking about this earlier that I
didn't learn how to type properly. It's just I have

(59:11):
ideas that came in my head really fast, and it's
just easier for me to say them out loud than
to write them because then I forget them anyway. Continue, Well,
not a dermatology.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I'm not a boomer. I'm not eve gen X.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I'm barely gen X even I'm almost a millennial, but
like one year, by the way, almost.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
The same generation, which is kind of nuts to think about. Okay.
Back in twenty twenty two, a gentrilogist, a person who
studies aging, was researching the oldest people in Ireland and
came across this case of a guy who was one
hundred and ten years old. So there are many attempts
for this guy to visit, this one hundred and ten
year old band freak of nature living in that's one

(59:48):
hundred and ten the oldest person living in Ireland. Yeah,
so they were there's many attempts to visit this one
hundred and ten year old man, but the family kept
making up excuses why it couldn't happen. So finally, one
day in April of twenty twenty two, welfare officers headed
to the house and this older woman answered the door
and said her father in law, who was one hundred
and ten year old man, didn't want to be disturbed.
So they kept pushing and eventually she brings them in

(01:00:11):
the house and brings them to a man wearing shoes
laying in a bed. And when they start looking at
this man in the bed, they're like, this is clearly
not one hundred and ten year old. It is clearly
a younger person because it was her husband. So she
ended up getting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Arrested because did you imagine like the poor husband was
like probably sitting there watching TV and then the wife
just goes up to him and like, go in bed
right now, Like I know, you still have your shoes on, everything.
You got to go pretend to be dead, and like
him being like what, Yeah, Like imagine this conversation taking place.
It's kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I can't. But it was apparently the scheme of the
century because for twenty eight and a half years, this
woman was claiming her dead father in law's pension. He uh,
she started getting it, I guess because she was his
care giver and she was allowed to take it out,
which also sounds suspicious, but that's according to her that
she was given permission to take it out and then

(01:01:08):
he died at some point and she just kept taking
it out for decades after his death. So they're sitting
there thinking, this guy's one hundred and ten years old,
but he had been dead since the nineties and she
had just been taking out his pension all this time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But where was where was his body? Like, I mean
he was declared dead and had like his body was
properly disposed of, right, Like he went to a funeral
home or whatever and had all that done. Like where's
his body then?

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
So that's what I'm kind of unclear about like was
we do have stories sometimes though. We just had that
one last week of that family living with their dead
grandpa or uncle or something in coming and going and
taking the house. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
So, yeah, but the person was dead there, Like I'm
just wondering, because usually if you die and then you
go to a funeral home and they submit all their things,
like we were talking about. Remember we were saying that
a couple of weeks ago or a week ago that
we were talking about that one girl that her social
Security number got mistakenly entered as a person that died

(01:02:12):
at a funeral home, and she was having all those problems.
So if this guy died and had a funeral and
everything like that, then what in his information have gotten
submitted that he died and should no longer be receiving
the pension checks, you know what I mean. There's some
kind of like a disparage there with well, I'm thinking
that didn't happen or he wasn't the Yeah, died naturally.

(01:02:35):
Possibly he died naturally and they they got they took
care of it and continued taking Yeah, I mean that
would make the most sense. I don't think that I
read anything about that though, they didn't really say, like
how she got away with this kind.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Of unless it was like he did go through and
have a proper funeral and everything, and she just kept
taking the pension out and nobody stopped it because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Of Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's possible too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
So I think it was probably that because I think
if they figured out they got rid of a body
or something, it would have been a bigger deal in
a bigger jail sentence. So she got sentenced to two
years in jail, but she only served six weeks and
is already out. So she is said to have defrauded
approximately two hundred and eighty two thousand US dollars. That

(01:03:21):
is a lot of money, and she had been taking
it out from December nineteen ninety three until she got
caught in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
So does she have to pay it back or anything
or like they didn't say.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I think she's working on a way to pay them back.
But how are you possibly going to pay that back?
She's in her seventies. Oh my god, it's absolutely ridiculous.
It is. Thanks Cloda for sending this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, thanks thanks for looking out Kloda. Do you want
to give Cloda's podcast a shot out Maria. Yeah, Cloda
is the most awesome reporter for Sunday World. She also
has a works on a podcast called Crime World that's
really awesome. There's actually a great episode with you. You
were interviewed at Crime Con for it. Yeah, thanks girl,

(01:04:03):
Thanks you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
All right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.
Every Friday at that at Mother Knows Death Instagram account,
we have a little question box on the stories. You
guys can ask whatever you want. Thank you for not
asking any ghost questions this week, by the way, First,
is it common to get a body from the o
R or Labor and Delivery?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I would say it's not common. I've gotten more bodies
from the o R than from labor and Delivery. I've
actually never got well, I've gotten fetal and baby bodies
from the the oh, labor and Delivery, but not women. Now, yeah,
I had I told you I did a pregnant woman once,

(01:04:44):
but she was already dead when she got to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But o R.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, unfortunately, just a few times. Not it's not anything alarming,
But there were a couple mistakes and we got the
bodies from the O R. Yes, all right, why wouldn't
I autopsy require the brain to be examined when the
cause of death is stomach related.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
So we.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
For the most part, a lot of times like they're
just going to take out all the organs just to
have a full picture of what was going on with
a person. So, especially in academic centers, they will just
take out all of the organs just so they can
examine them. And especially if you're giving permission for the
autopsy and say we could do a full autopsy, sometimes

(01:05:29):
we're going to do that just for purposes of medical
students that are there and learning and residence pathology residents
and stuff like that. So in general, is it is
it really necessary? Don't I don't know, because I don't know.
You're saying stomach issues, and I'm not sure exactly what
that could be. But for example, if you thought your
family member died from something stomach related, they could have

(01:05:52):
seen something else inside which may make them think that
there was something else going on. So a lot of
times people think that their stomach pathology, but they might
be having like an aortic aneurysm or something, and then
they would want to check the vessels, they would want
to check the horror and they would like they like
checking the cardiovascular system too, and just to see it
because a lot of times, a lot of that stuff

(01:06:13):
is related strokes, heart attacks and things like that. So
I'm not I'm not really sure, Like if you're telling
me exactly, Okay, the person had stomach cancer, why would
they want to look at their brain. It's not necessarily necessary,
But they also might want to look for a metastasist
or something. It just depends on like where the autopsy

(01:06:33):
is getting done and stuff. So if you did have
an autopsy on your family member that died, I'm sorry
to hear that, by the way, but when you if
they did look at the brain, I wouldn't think that
that was suspicious at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Well, if you uh work at want to like the
hospital you are, that was a university hospital, So would
they if they were trying to teach students or something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, I mean we we always did, but in the
hospit the way the permission form is filled out, it's
just like, do you give us permission to do a
full autopsy, and if the person says yes, then we
just take everything out. Like even if we find the cause, Okay,
this person had you know, a ruptured aneurysm or something
like that. We would still take everything out just because

(01:07:17):
they gave us permission to and we use it to
We just use it to study with even in the
private hospital there's always there's nurses and stuff. We just
use it for anatomy purposes and teaching. So I just
don't think it's weird. That's just like a part of
the protocol kind of all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Right, Last, do you find it difficult to separate emotions
from the stories you cover? No, I mean not really.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I'm just kind of like wired like that because of
the job that I did for so long. But no,
some stories bother the hell out of me, you know
what I mean, especially when they're mostly related to to
like my current life, you know, when it has to
do you know, this was a story we actually didn't
even cover because I don't I try not to talk

(01:08:04):
about We try not to cover stories that are just
like I mean, it's kind of impossible in this podcast,
but some of them are just like extra terrible and
they're I don't even know if I talked to you
about this, Maria, But there was a story last week
about a kid in like second grade that the parent
was dropping them off at school and their coat like
got caught in the car in the drop offline and

(01:08:26):
the kid got like ran over. Yeah, killed saw that,
and like, I just I can't even like I don't
even want to talk about that shit. It's just so
freakin upsetting on so many levels, and you just think, like, God,
what if something like that happened at our school or
just you know, things like that. And I covered another
story in the gross room this week of a case

(01:08:48):
that someone had set me the video, but it was old,
like ten years old. I don't know if you saw it,
but it was a bus driver who let a kid
off the bus and the kid's backpack got caught in
between the doors when it's shut, and the bus driver
drove away with the kid like attached to the bus
for like blocks and blocks and blocks and didn't realize
that the kid was hanging from the bus. It was

(01:09:10):
like so disturbing, and the kid lived, luckily. She's she's
probably close to your age or she's you know what
I mean, she's older because this happened a while ago.
But yeah, just just like really really upset. I get
upset when anything has to do with kids all the time.
You know what I mean, or firefighters too, just like

(01:09:31):
things that are that it's hard for me to like
turn off like those. Sometimes I see commercials for like
these organizations that support firefighters, especially like military and firefighters
that die in the line of duty, and they like
buy them a house and stuff, you know, that organization,
and I just like I have to like tune it

(01:09:52):
out because I'm just like this, this is like a
little too close. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Well, I think, well, A, we're picking all the stories
we're covering, and not all of them are obviously easy
to talk about. And one in particular we cut out
in the last couple of months was that woman in
France where she was just getting raped by all these
people her husband was like setting it up. I just
didn't want to cover that one because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Stories we also just too dark. Yeah, and we also
only have so much time. I mean, maybe if there's
a possibility in the future of us having more time,
that we could do like an extra episode a week
or something, but we only could cover so many stories.
We cut out so many every day, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
And I feel like you guys probably appreciate some of
the more outrageous ones at times, just because they're a
little easier to digest. It doesn't necessarily mean they're not
as fucked up or heavy, but they're easier to digest.
And you know, I think about how hard it is
to be a news anchor and be live on air
and have a breaking news story and then try to

(01:10:56):
process it. I believe when I was reading Katie Kerrick's
memoir that if I'm remembering this correctly, I believe she
said she was live on air during nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
She was because I was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I watched it, and I was watching it, and like
immediately she was just like I have to get to
my kids, you know, can't. You can't even if you're
in that process, and your mother like, how are you
even doing your job when something like yeah happening and
your kids aren't with you. Yeah. So I try to
think about things like that, And you know, when people
cry on air sometimes I think people think it's really unprofessional,

(01:11:29):
But like, think about all the really heavy things you
have to hear in a day. Sometimes certain things just
crack you. We definitely have stories on here that are
really difficult to talk about. But I guess for us,
it's like we have the barrier of picking the stories
ourselves covering it in the way we want to, doing
the notes ahead of time to kind of prepare for it,
and then you just go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
So I and you know, I think with our jobs,
it's like I really try to balance my day out
with really light things afterwards, because like I can't. I
can't stop working for the day and then just watch
the news all night long. I would be miserable and
depressed if that's all I heard all day long. So
I really try to balance out the rest of my
day like reading a stupid book or watching housewives or

(01:12:13):
just doing something that's the complete opposite to take my
mind away from it. But it's not. It's not easy
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I'm different.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I just like death and destruction all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, twenty four to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
You're the most negative first nine. I'm just kidding. I'm
quoting pop Up when he yelled at made that one time,
which was a shock to the system. Okay, if you
guys have a shocking story, please submit it to stories
at motherdosdeath dot com, or if you find a cool story,
you could always DM it to us on Instagram, although
we know we don't always get them, so the email
would be preferred, But thank you guys so much. We'll

(01:12:45):
see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Say you next week. Thank you for listening to Mother
Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a
pathologist assistant. I have a master level education and specialize
in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor
and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or

(01:13:09):
alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show,
my website, and social media accounts are designed to educate
and inform people based on my experience working in pathology,
so they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and
well being. Always remember that science is changing every day

(01:13:30):
and the opinions expressed in this episode are based on
my knowledge of those subjects at the time of publication.
If you are having a medical problem, have a medical question,
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