Celebrity Interview: Mike Posner

Mike Posner joins us to talk about his walk across America and the lessons he learned during his journey, plus his brand new single, “Is It Just Me?”

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I told you yesterday about our evening with Mike Posner
on Wednesday night at the iHeartRadio World headquarters. He made
people cry, made people laugh, made people think. It was
the most incredible night. I wish everyone could have been
there for this incredible, incredible experience. I said, Effitt, let's
bring him in. Mike Posner's here. Hi, Yes, yes, yes,

(00:31):
look at you. You look extremely healthy. I know that's
a physical thing. We shouldn't be dwelling on the physical.
But you Okay, your skin is perfect, your muscles are bulging.
You have a nice bright smile. Obviously you've been working
hard at taking good care of yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Thank you. Yeah, man, Well, I eat sprouts, broccoli sprouts
every day.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You fart a lot? Did probably media? Okay? How do
you gauge that non zero number?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
And I'm in love? Yeah, man, I live this life
for real. I really train, I really eat clean and
I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, you love cleaning. Sometimes it's fun to love dirty.
We'll get into that stuff. Okay. So at our event
last night, he stood up and sang a song, got
everyone to sing along, and then he talked about his
walk across America, which is our favorite story, and you
told it like I've never heard it told before. But
within that conversation, you gave us your five the.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Five gems of wisdom.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Gems of wisdom you learned during your walk across America.
Can we go through those?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
The first one is it came from when I decide
I was going to walk across America, and almost immediately,
the people I say that worked with me in the
music industry, they quickly informed me that this was both
a bad and a crazy idea. And that's when I
learned that not all crazy ideas are great, but all

(02:05):
great ideas are crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Number one, all right, sound effect a bell somewhere ring
the bell. That's awesome, all right. I know we're breezing
through these. I'd rather spend a lot more. But number two.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Number two is when I made the decision, I started
to feel all this negativity and doubt. You know, some
of that was my own doubt, and some of that
was I started to think other people's thoughts, thoughts like
this is a bad idea, it's going to ruin my career.
Thoughts like what if I permanently damage my body, and
thoughts like, you know, what if I fail in front

(02:42):
of everyone, I just look like an idiot. And I
had all these these thoughts bouncing around the walls in
my head. I stood off the coast to New Jersey
and I took a step. And when I took that step,
all the fears and doubts about what might happen if
I did this disappeared because I was doing it. So
the second gemal wisdom is step one is take one step.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
There you go, God's favorite. God uses that all the
time with us. And when you said that last time,
immediately thought of GONDI the.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Journey of one thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
One step is it?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, okay, this is a journey of three thousand miles.
It's all good, but it still applies, And so so
them fast forward to I walk one thousand, seven hundred
and ninety seven miles. I'm now in Colorado. I've already
crossed the Mississippi River. And you can imagine the pride

(03:34):
I was feeling Elvis, having started in New Jersey, gotten
all the way. I can see the rocky mountains on
the horizon, and this pain shoots up my leg and
I realized I had just been bitten by a poisonous rattlesnake. Oh.
I spent three nights in the ICU. I asked first
of all, I called nine one one. I asked Dispatch,

(03:56):
and I'm not gonna die, and Dispatch says, I don't know.
Oh no, my leg swell the sides of my elfint trunks.
Three nights in the ICU, and I go from walking
twenty four miles a day tonight I can't walk to
the bathroom. So eventually I'm discharged from the hospital with
a walker and an uncertain future. And I go back

(04:16):
home to Michigan and I'm sitting there and it's really nice.
You know. One, everyone's taking care of me. Two, I'm
in air conditioning now. Three I'm getting a massive amount
of attention for being hurt. Right, So I'm on TMZ,
I'm on Good Morning America. I'm on everyone like Mike

(04:37):
Poser a bit by rattlesnake, my followers on Instagram or
skyrocketing up. All my dms are full of messages from
my heroes, people I looked up to since I was
a kid, going, You're awesome, keep going, And part of
me is really liking this being hurt thing. You know,
I'm really getting a lot of attention from it. And
I realized I had to make a decision. I was

(05:00):
either gonna just kind of pack it in, say this
wasn't meant to be. I got bit by a freaking
snake almost died, or I was going to go back
to the place to snake bit me and walk the
remaining one thousand miles. And this was a crossroads moment
for me because I knew that if I went back

(05:22):
to my old life from before the walk, I would
never be the person I was really supposed to become.
It was like I was gonna do it or I
was going to live someone else's life. And so this
brought me to the third gem of wisdom, which is
reasons our excuses. Like I had a reason to quit,
which was I almost died, I got bit by a snake.

(05:43):
It wasn't meant to be. You know, we say that
a lot in our culture. It wasn't meant to be.
Sometimes it wasn't meant to be.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But a lot of.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Times we're just speaking in code saying I'm giving up,
and I want to feel good about it. So I
say it wasn't meant to be no it. I knew
I needed to finish, and so I had to talk
to the little part of me that was loving the
attention and go, no, no, I see you. I love you,
but you're not in control of my life anymore. And

(06:11):
I did something that I was proud of. I went
back to the place the snake bit me.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
The very specific place where that snake hit you. Exactly, wow, exactly,
and I was scared. I was having nightmararores about snakes.
I still do sometimes. And this is the part I
don't I don't say it. I didn't say last night.
But I pissed on it. Oh you did.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I pissed on the spot.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Good for you. We should do more than in life.
We should just piss on things that make us mad.
I took it back. You owned it.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I took it back.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah you marked it.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I marked it, and say, yeah, yeah, this is this
isn't this isn't a place that I got hurt. This
is the place I got reborn.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And I took a step and I just kept taking
steps until I ran out of land. And when I
got in the water, I felt all this this crazy emotion,
and I realized that was happiness, but like real deep happiness,
not like I ate a chocolate chip cookie happiness, like wow,
And I thought, this is a different flavor of happiness.

(07:11):
What is this? And that's why I stumble on the
fourth gem wisdom, which was by the way, did you
ring the bell?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
So the third gym was I think I skipped over
it is the reasons are excuses, The reasons our excuses.
And the fourth jem yeah bang. The fourth one is
true happiness, like deep happiness, or you could call it joy,
comes from growth. It doesn't come from pleasure or getting
your needs met in every moment. It comes from, Hey,

(07:46):
there's something in my life that hurts and I don't
know what the answer is, but I'm gonna take some
one step. I'm gonna take one step in the direction
of growing to make it hurt less because life's trying
to teach me something. There's great joy, peace, happiness that
comes from just being on the path. You're at a

(08:08):
moment like this guy, and you were like, man, I
really suck in this area of life. For me, it
was relationships for a long time. I really suck in
this area of life. But I know I suck in
it and I'm gonna just start moving in the right direction.
So maybe I need to talk to a therapist, or
I need to go on a date or whatever. But
once you once you set the intention, you start moving
on the path. I still suck, but I'm moving towards

(08:33):
not sucking. What that's happy. Happiness comes from just being
on the path. So true happiness comes from growth. Ohd on,
there it is. And the last one was that my father,
who was my biggest cheerleader in life. He loved me
more than anyone that he passed away before I ever started.

(08:54):
And I wish he could have saw me learn these
other lessons. I wish you could have seen me ascertained
the first five. But he passed away before I ever
started my journey. And when I really looked at it,
if I was really honest, I had thought about the
journey for five six years, and I kept putting it off.
I kept putting, and my soul was called me to

(09:15):
do it, but it was like, it's not the right time.
I gotta I got an album. I got to go
talk to Elvis and promote the last album. We're going
a tour to promote, you know, and do the thing,
and and and basically play within the sandbox of what
other people said was okay for me to do. And
as a result of me being scared to get out
of the sandbox, Dad never got to see me do this.

(09:37):
And so the sixth gem of wisdom, you know, I
believe all things happened for a reason, and so you know,
part of part of his passing away probably gave me
the kick in the butt to actually go. So I
think it had to go this way. But the sixth
gem of wisdom is don't wait. Don't wait, don't wait.
You know, I wish, I wish I would have started earlier, right,
don't wait.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
We have all these dreams, we have all these things
that we want to conquer, these mountains we want to climb,
and we wait.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
We have excuses, we have reasons, we have reasons.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
There you go, don't wait. And by the way, Mike Posner,
we had to play some music from you in a second,
and then we've got other stuff. We got to talk
about lots of stuff because listening to you and how
you live your life is fascinating to me. And I
want to be more like Mike Posner every time you're
with us. When he walks out the door. What do
I say? I love him. We were actually with you
on one of our flyways with listeners right after your

(10:32):
father passed away, and you were really still processing that. Yeah,
and it was it was it was really rough for you.
We could see that, and we did everything we could
to gather around you and keep your warm, make you
feel good.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I just it was surreal. I mean, I think about
it's supposed to be. I think about you a couple
of times during that time. One is, we had an
interview the day my dad had brain surgery and I
flew home and I missed it, and ordinarily, like I
would lose my mind. I would be so embarrassed and
and I was on a certain level, but the context

(11:09):
was going on in my life. It was like this
no offense, but like it was like this doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm sorry, sorry.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I was like, this doesn't I missed a radio interview,
and normally I would be freaked out, like, oh my god,
am I gonna mess the album up now and all
this thing and ruin the relationship with our radio, and
like you know, but that's how the mind works. And
it's just interesting how how death or or love can
can unveil what really matters. And I remember I had

(11:38):
this call with with my mom was talking to doctor.
We're trying to understand my dad had brain cancer, Like
what do we do? Like is he gonna live? Is
is it? What's it? And they said planned for months,
not years? And I said to my mom, I said,
well we should just I guess we need it and
just enjoy every moment we have with him, right, And

(12:01):
she said to me that's what we should be doing anyway, exactly,
thanks Mom, Yeah, that's what we should be doing everything.
Don't wait, right, don't wait. So that's it, man, it's
it's it's so easy to get wrapped up in our
own melodramas and what's going on in what Echar told
calls our life situation. Well, most people confuse and conflate

(12:23):
their life with their life situation. Life situation is you're
doing well or you're doing bad, or you're sick, you're healthy,
have pleasure, you have pain, you're in fame or disrepute.
Everyone has these cycles, the Buddha calos, the eight worldly wins,
and you're experiencing one of them right now, if not multiple.
That's your life situation. But your real life is just
this moment without doubt.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Had you not gone to be by your father's side
on his operation day, I would have had a problem
with that.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
See know what I'm saying. It's so funny, O what
you were thinking.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
But then yeah, we did that event right, and it
was like so beautiful the thing you created. Right. We're
in like this tropical resort. Yeah, and I'm like processing
this death and I'm like, man, I'm like supposed to
be happy right now, and I'm not to go play
up there and like ruin this event.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
But you know we were with you on that. I mean,
you may or may not felt it, but this is
the thing about having our favorite artists roll through with
their music and their stories. You are and I said
this the other night, you are a fantastic story teller,
not only through your music but just in a regular conversation.
And we need more real, authentic conversations with each other.

(13:35):
That way. Loneliness decreases, happiness increases. Are you happy? Yeah, well,
look are you happy?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I am? Okay, I'm joy. I mean, here's the truth.
And we not give you a BS answer. If I
measured my life by the last day or two days,
who knows I could have a challenging day, sure, right,
and so if you ask me any given moment, I
might be happy, i'mna be sad, I might be whatever.
I have all the human emotions, right. But if I
look in my life the last two years, it's the

(14:03):
best it's ever been. There, you go in every area.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know what's been interesting about this whole thing. You've
talked about some really serious stuff and some really sad stuff,
but through the entire thing, and our listeners can't see
it unless they watch online.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
You smiled through the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
You haven't lost the smile one time. Fun to be
here there, No one ever, no one's ever said that
before after thirty years of doing this crapy Mike Posner
and the new singles? Is it just me? You want
to play it now or in a minute, I'm gonna
play it.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
You're the boss, dude.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
No, No, that's part of being the top, I mean
the boss. Hey, is it just me? Does it need
an explanation or does it set itself up?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
It said it's just a fun one, a fun one.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Let's do it. Here's Mike Poster, Come on, wake up,
wake up now.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
This dran in the morning.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Soon we're back. It's Mike Posner. Now we've got.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
More dangerous loaded Elvis or an empty o oh, unloaded Elvis.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I'm equally terrifying.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I think it an empty Elvis is sad and dangerous.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
When he comes in as a load. When he comes
in here as a loaded Elvis, we do have some fun.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
We always had more fun when Elvis is loaded. Trust
me on that. All right, So.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Sounds like something I should just take your word.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
For it, experience, nothing is here. So we talked a
few moments ago about your extremely fascinating travels walking across
the United States of America, starting in the ocean in
a down the Jersey shore and ending up the Pacific.
And I was told that there is a chance that

(15:40):
you are considering doing this again.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Who told you that?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is this true? Are you going to do it?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah? At some point, okay, at some point.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Wait, are you writing your book first?

Speaker 5 (15:49):
I know you're going to write a book about this, right.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'm almost done writing really Yeah? Yeah, I've been working
on it hard the last over a year. It's actually
taken double the time. All ready, Good, take your time
with it. And how much stuff do you learn about you?
When you're writing a book. That's what I love, my gosh,
it is. It is not for the faint of heart, Elvins.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
You got to do it. Though everyone should write a book.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
It's an insane endeavor if you do it all the way,
because all of us have sort of talk track. If
I ask you, you know, why'd you become a radio host,
you know we have an answer. So people ask me,
you know, why'd you walk across the marriaor I had
an answer and it sounded pretty good. And I started

(16:30):
writing this book and I realized my answer was not
the answer. And when you go through that kind of
excavation writing a book, it is it changes the way
you see your own past. It changes your own story
about yourself. It is a deep endeavor, a deep endeavor,

(16:51):
and some of the things you find are not so nice.
Some of them are, and you kind of get to
relive those two. But yeah, it is not for the fame.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Did you put it all in there? Or is there
anything you said, yeah, I'm not putting this.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
In the book. No, you write it all. I mean
anything where you feel that you have to write. That's
that is the guide post and I'm not done with it.
Yet so I can't answer you exactly. So that that
is a is a signal of that's something you should write.
That's a chapter you should write. Now then you put
the whole thing together and it's like, you know, it's
too long, so not everything makes the cut. But but yeah,

(17:29):
I'm just committed to making the best book possible, not
telling a story that makes me the most comfortable.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Well, you write it for yourself, that's right. I know
that's weird way of putting it. You're writing this book.
People will purchase it. It doesn't matter who purchase it.
It purchases this. It's you and writing it for yourself.
I totally believe that. And I'm going to redo my book.
I'm going to read I'm going to do a part too,
because I did not. I didn't go balls deep in
this first one, and I will.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
You're going to air it out.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm going to air it out.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I will.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
So walking across America, you just he gave me the
vegas of vague answers. Yeah, eventually, what is that?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Because because I don't answer for you yet.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Okay, the question will be next, Well, why am I
gonna do it a second time? That's a whole different answer.
Answer changes. Nate, you wanted to ask about Mount Everest? Okay,
Oh he has questions, Nate, I did.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
I really wanted to talk about Mount Everest because I've
been reading a lot about it, thinking about doing it,
which I know I probably won't talk you.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Out of it.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Was it was it that bad?

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Because that I really kind of want a serious answer
to this. Was it as bad as I think it
would find?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Bad?

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Miserable, cold, exhausted, don't know if you're gonna make it
back down?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Uh, frozen poop everywhere? But that seems like the growth part.
Those those things sound like they're important, good stuff.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Other things I could do with my time, because, as
you know, Mike, we have limited time on this planet
that I would enjoy more. What is it that bad
of an experience? Or would you one hundred percent climb
Mount Everest again?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Now? With zero percent climbing again?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Why?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Because you can die really easily? No? Why out of
every hundred people don't come back?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
They leave their bodies there? You actually were you passing
bodies on the trail?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Okay, And so.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Because I've done it now, it's ironic because I had
to go do it to realize this, but because I've
done it. When I was there, I just kept thinking,
I can't die here. I have more music inside me, okay,
literal and.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
So good things came from this awful ever experience.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
It'll it'll clarify your life and what really matters because
you're close to freaking.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So you have the right and license to poop poo
all over it because you've done it. But I'm not
poopooing is it was the The worst moments of my
life were nestled within a day of one of the
best moments of my life being on the summit, because
I knew what it took to get there. It was
a lot of hard work. So don't let them talk
you out of this, Nate, all Right, I believe it

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tomorrow it is, but it is dangerous. Really.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
Yeah, man, was there a moment in particular that you
said to yourself, I'm gonna die.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I'm not gonna survive. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Camp two, a blast from an air displacement excuse me,
an air displacement blast from an avalanche hit our camp
and ripped open the tent snows, and I thought I
own an avalanche here camp too, my life. I didn't
think I'm maybe gonna die. I'm dead, It's over. So
how are you a better person now that you have?

(20:36):
Was the almost moments in my life? And two days
later I was standing on the summit and that was
one of the best moments of my life. Wow.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
But going back to the blast where you thought I'm done,
what good comes out of that for you as a
human being? Obviously something?

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well we talked about whys and intention, right, So why
was that climbing everest? Well, there was several whys. If
you're really on, I see you unpack it. One is like, well,
I want to be the guy that did it. I
want to look cool. Right, So that why sucked. I
knew that why I sucked before I even left. Right
then I had the why of like, Okay, I want
to explore myself. See see how tough I am, See

(21:13):
how powerful? Measure myself against? See if I can find
a part of myself that I haven't yet by doing
something very difficult. Well, that's pretty admirable, But when pushed
to the limit, it's kind of a dumb thing to
die for self exploration, Right, There's other ways to explore

(21:34):
yourself that don't put your life on the line, right,
So I thought, you know, this is like really selfish,
right because if I die, I'm dead. But but mom
just lost dad and out I'm gone. So that that
why before I started climbing was really cool. But after
that blast also fell apart. The only why I had

(21:55):
left after that was I said I was gonna do
it my own integrity to myself. That's all I had left.
That's the only reason I experienced that blast and kept
going up. So that that's the real question. You know,
I'm joking with you, but is why? Because if your
why is not solid, or at least one of your

(22:17):
five whys is not solid, they will get torn apart
and you will quit.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
What are you to do with that?

Speaker 6 (22:26):
It's it's almost like we're talking to Tony Robbins here,
And I don't mean to equate you to Tony Robbins,
but you're very inspirational, and so are you because I
look at somebody like you and you're doing all these
things that I think we would all like to do.
Climb a mountain, walk across the romanticize about doing the romanticizing,
but he's actually done it.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Exactly, And he said this would be the worst way
to die. So my next question is, well, what's a
better way to.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Die in I don't know if that'd be the worst
way to it, I'd be a pretty cool story but.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Fabulous way.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Okay, answer in a non jokey way. The things we're
dying for involve other human beings. I think. Talk about
that well, Like, I mean, there's things I would die
for now still, but they're not about me, like I
would die for my girl, like I would die for
my mom.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
You know you have people in your life like that.
You don't have to think about it in a heartbeat,
of course you would, but you know, to to die
exploring oneself or seeing how tough you are.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Okay, I get that.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
What's okay? So what are some some really cool ways
to die?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
No, don't.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
From an asteroid?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Asteroids? You're great.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
What about if you could if you were like if
you if you were were getting older? Uh, and then
you got an opportunity you could go in the space,
but you can't come back. Would you do it?

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm there, I could do that. I'm older. I'm ready.
They just send you out, gandhi, Are we the only
two in this room that we said, we said we
would go to s right now.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, this plane has got ghetto. I'm ready to go.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I would do it, but how for how long? For?
How long would you go? Hoo? Did you go for
those Most people go to the International Space Station for
a year? No? Did you do that?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Because that seems kind of boring. This space seems more endless.
Like out in to Mars. You take a long time
to get there. You can explore while you're there.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Did you go if it took two years there? Two
years back?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah? What else am I doing?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
But when you're talking about so you did walk across
the country and you did climb Mount Everest, and you thought,
I don't know if this is really why I want
to go out? Do you still want to do some
of these crazy or great things? Are you kind of tapped?

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Now?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah? It's an interesting you say great? Right, So a
lot of great human beings are not good human beings, right,
So I'm really focused on me a good human being too,
And yeah, like I'll probably do a walkie, but my
risk college has changed. So I like to find really
hard things where no one's gonna die, Okay, because there's

(24:58):
not a lot of work to do, you know what
I mean, It's not like it's not out of fear,
it's out of having a calling. I have music to write,
I have books to write, I have gifts to share.
We all have gifts to share, and so I just
I just don't want to cut it short having a
little you know, type two fun. Yeah, right, And so
that's that's the reason behind it. That's the feeling I

(25:19):
was feeling on the mountain. You have more music inside you,
literally and figuratively. And that's the reason why I don't
want to like climb everest against because I got work
to do while I'm alive.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
So would you say that in doing these things you
were chasing purpose and then you realize it was there
all along.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, I think I've I've definitely uncovered more purpose and
purpose changes and evolves over time.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
And always shifting, always moving. It's a very fluid. Purpose
is very fluid.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
You ever read a Victor franco Man Search for Meeting,
No best book ever, But one of the things he
says is, you know, we we look at life and
measure why life isn't meeting our expectations, But he says,
instead ask what life's expas are of you. That's your purpose.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Wow, Okay, that totally changes everything. It's the opposite than
what we've been feeling and thinking.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
This.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, Victor Franco.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Frankel, Frank and this guy, beautiful man, he's not speaking
from theory. He survived the Nazi concentration camps and wrote
this book about that and what he found was every
one of the survivors had so a version of the
future that they were looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Excellent. We're going to talk about your music because you know,
we've talked about We're talked about everything, but the music
is a part of.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Your your wishes. Mike, when higher outstanding, I.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Don't I don't even know you were sitting You're getting.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Some stretches going on. You've got the perfect form, So
talk about your music. Where are you going? Where are
you going with your music? And where are we going
to see you? Where are we going to hear you?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
The beautiful, beautiful part about the music is it comes
with me. And we had a new album coming out
February twenty first. It's called The Beginning and it's an
awesome album. Man, I love it. I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Why do you love it so much?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Because it's real. And a friend of mine Meta Pastor
last year, and he said, Mike, keep pointing to the
rainbows while admitting the sun doesn't always shine. Say that again,
keep pointing to the rainbows while admitting the sun doesn't
always shine. And I just feel that's what this album does.

(27:27):
I love that, all right, February twenty First, that's it
the beginning. Did you ever see yourself traveling around the
world speaking, maybe do a song or two, but primarily
talking like this, Yeah, I do, I do. I'm gonna
start doing it this year.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You've already started.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, yeah, I've started. I've do some public speaking. I
get hired for that. But it was it's crazy you
asked me that, because a couple of weeks ago I
email from my agents to do a tour to right
to go to the House of Blues and the Irving Plaza,
you know, all all the places like play concerts, and
I was like, this doesn't feel like the thing I

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should be doing. And so we don't have it together yet,
but basically we're building together, you know, a day of
miracles and transformation.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I won't we all need for you to do that.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, So that's what we're doing putting it together?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Are we asking for too much?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, I'm doing it already.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
We're doing that, mean doing it.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I mean, we're putting it together now. But I wish
I had it ready to announce boom. We don't. We
just had this email exchange yesterday. We're putting it together
all right.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
In the intention is there?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yep, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Mike. It's so great having you here.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's great to be and and you know, it's cool.
Wat's that just because because I come here once a year,
once every two years or eighteen months, and then it's
like one of those like rubrics. I can remember who
I was last time I was here. You know, you're
here every day, so it's hard to beat. But you
have those other places in your life you go like,
oh wow, I'm a lot different than the last time
I was here. So it's cool to come back and

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reflect on that.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Well, here's to you coming back again very soon. Mike
Posner