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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone. Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to be talking about a celebrity who claims that
she does not drink water ever, the Starbucks disfigurement lawsuit,
Reddit cracking down on Luigi content, and dogs who do cocaine.
Let's get started with this celebrity that claims that she
doesn't drink any water.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Well, it's Tori Spelling, and she went on her podcast
and she claimed she doesn't drink any water.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
She compared herself to a cactus.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I've said this before, right, I say the same exact
thing to Gabe. I always say to him, like, listen,
think of me as a plant. Like there some plants
that need to stay moist all the time, and then
there's like a cactus that you could ignore for weeks
and you don't have to give it any water. That's
how I feel like I am. I feel like I'm
a plant version of a person. I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
She said she has an adversion to this, and a
lot of people have a problem with this, but we
understand this more than anybody. I mean, I hate drinking
plain water. It skips me out, honestly, Thank God for
Club soda and just like sparkling water in general, because
it's the only way I get water, in which some
people argue is not drinking water. But what do you
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want me to do? We didn't grow up drinking water.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I know, And that's this is how I feel like
it might have started. This is the thing, though, that
the argument is not equal because Gabe arguably grew up
around the same time as I did, and he drinks
like so much water every day. So for me personally,
when I grew up in the eighties, it was like
there was no such thing as water bottle. I was
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just telling my now girl this actually last week, that
bottled water didn't exist when I was a child. And
I remember specifically when I was around twelve years old,
which would have been about nineteen ninety one ish, that
I went to the store up the street, like a
Bodego type place up the street from my house, and
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I saw bottled water being sold next to soda and stuff.
And I remember going home and telling my dad, and
my dad was just like, what kind of stupid ass
wouldever pay money for water in a bottle? Haha. It
was like a big joke, right, and now it's everywhere.
But we didn't even have water bottles like that you
would that you would use for sports and stuff. It
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just like wasn't a thing. When my mom sent me
to school with my lunch, I got like a poucha
caprice son for the day and that was it. And
and like went out to school for recess and ran
around and they would just be like, all right, well,
if you're thirsty, you have to drink out of the
water fountain. The water fountain was like skivac. So I
didn't want to do that. It smelled weird and it
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just I wasn't into it. So I got by my
entire life drinking a patch of capris on every single
day at school and that was it, right. And then
it's the same thing when when we were doing sports
and everything like that, Like it just was a totally
different culture back then. We just didn't have they would
have they did have one of those coolers in the
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dugout and then they would have those little cone paper
cups for us to drink out of, so you got
like a shot of water basically, right. I just got
accustomed to that, which actually worked out to my advantage
working in the lab, because we weren't allowed to have
drinks at work, And if you sit in a room
that you're not allowed to have a drink at all day,
it's a good thing that you're accustomed to not drinking water.
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And also that means the benefit is that you don't
have to pee that much, but you're definitely like chronically dehydrated,
you know.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, I mean my coworkers at the bar used to
always make fun of me because, you know, I didn't
go into work till what like, I don't even know.
Some on that Saturday, I wouldn't even go in to
work till five o'clock at night. So I'd wake up,
i'd have a coffee, I'd drink like one can of
club soda, and then I'd show up to work with
like a twenty ounce iced coffee and I would drink that,
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and maybe before midnight i'd have half of a club soda.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And they're like, we don't understand how you're not dead. Yeah, honestly,
I don't even know if I've ever drank a full
can of fizzy like my entire life. Really, it's just
I just can't drink twelve ounces of fluid in one sitting.
It's just really difficult for me, and it's actually like,
let's have a therapy session right now. It's something I
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struggle with every day of my life because I know
obviously what happens when you're dehydrated, and I have symptoms
of it often because I'm probably dehydrated every day and
I have to force myself to drink water every single day,
and sometimes It'll be like nine o'clock at night and
I'm like, oh my god, I only drank half a
bottle of water all day, and then really it. Then
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I get stressed out because I chog a ton of
water to rehydrate myself so I don't get a headache
or something. But then I'm up every hour peeing all night.
Like it's just a terrible cycle of of it. And
I don't know if it's I kind of think it's
equivalent to, like you ever hear of these people that
are just like, oh, it's seven o'clock at night, like, oh,
I didn't really eat yet today, and you're like, why
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can't that happen to me? I wish I could just
like not have it on my mind. I guess it's
the same kind of thing, like I just don't have
it on my mind. It's just a I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
The eating could never be made. Like sometimes my husband
gets home from work at seven o'clock at night and
he's like, yeah, I didn't eat breakfast, and I just
didn't have time to get lunch today, so I just
ate like like a small pack of crackers this morning.
And I'm like, I would drop dead if I didn't
have at least two full blown meals by seven pm.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So I don't know. I'm kind of like that too
when I wake up. I'm just I would I would
rather eat, Like I could eat eight hundred calories in
the morning and just never eat the rest of the
day and be fine. But I'm like ravenous in the morning.
But it's also so another thing is that like your
body might be telling you that you're that you're hungry,
when really you're just dehydrated. So there's like all there.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Are other things that go with third you eat dinner
like four thirty, so of course by the time you wait,
that's that's the but that's the ideal time to eat,
so your body is not digesting while you're sleeping. You
should never eat past that time. But so so she
was saying in this in this podcast that she drinks
like what does she drink mountain dew and or not?
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She says she d diet doctor pepper, which is disgusting
ginger ale, which I could get behind because I think
ginger ale is like the most magical medicine in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Did you ever have Ginger the club soda?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I had. I'm drinking one right now and it's really yeah,
but the Ginger club soda doesn't have any or sugar
in it. That one's like, I don't know. That one
is really good, But you can't drink soda as a
substitute for water. That's really really terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I mean, right drinking one called a Ginger Lime mule,
and that one's a really.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh yeah, that one is good. You could like you
could in theory say, well, they use water to make
doctor pepper and to make coffee and to make tea,
but they're just syrups and all this stuff, yeah, and chemicals,
and it's just it's just really bad. And I mean
you kind of look at it and you're like, you
don't exactly look like the picture of health either. I mean, listen,
I don't want to drink water, but I force myself
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too because it's just the right thing to do. But
I would much rather drink coffee or tea drink all day,
you know, but tea especially can give you kidney stones
if you drink it in that amount.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So well, tea can also disfigure your penis severely, like
in this next story.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes, exactly. All right, let's get into that, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So this delivery driver in California went to a Starbucks
drive through, and so he was picking it up in
order to drop off. And when he gets there, the
barista hands him one of those little trays filled with
hot drinks. And then one of the drinks, which was
a hot tea, spilled on his lap and ended up
disfiguring his penis.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
All right, So my first question is, like, do you
think that the temperature is just too hot at fast
food coffee places?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think for the tea. Yes, at Starbucks in particular, yes,
the tea.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Like we were out so many times and I'm like, oh,
you know what, like I could go for a macha
and we stopped buy Starbucks and we get it. This
is at what like two o'clock and then it was
like three three point thirty when I could finally drink it.
It's so frickin' hot. I just I always wondered, like
why it has to be so hot, isn't it in
the case, like when most people are going to buy coffee,
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they want to have it right then and there.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, you said this, complained about dunk it a lot
because I would get a coffee on my way to
work and by the time I got to work it
was still not even I couldn't even drink it. It was
so hot, And I'm like, what is the point I
wanted it for? Like I want it now? When you
get it now, you want it then?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, that's how I feel about it too, and especially
like I feel like there's a cut off time, so
like right now, for example, I feel like, okay, it's
like late later in the afternoon, I feel like, okay,
I want a coffee or I want a tea or
a hot drink or something. Well, by the time it's
ready to drink now, let's get it into like okay,
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this is too close to bedtime, you know, Like I
want it now, I don't want it then. So anyway,
I think and if you recall that there was a
huge lawsuit with McDonald's over the temperature of the coffee
which burned a woman, which I think she kind of
set the precedent for this to be a thing back
in the day when that happened. I don't do you
remember that specific case.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That of course I do, because Seinfeld did an episode
making fun of it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So in that case, McDonald's was responsible for having the
coffee itself hotter than it should have been and that
was what was cause of the burns. This case is
a little bit different, and it's more interesting because they
obviously have video at the drive through that shows the
barista putting the tea into the cup holder and not
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pushing it in all the way and making sure it
was securely in. And I mean, listen, like this lady
is responsible for her company having to pay fifty million
dollars for that mistake. That's outrageous. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I want to come in justice for the barista because
I've gotten trays of drinks from Starbucks before, and I
don't find their trays to be particularly that great. And
I want to also say when I've noticed when I've
gotten really hot drinks there that it like borderline melts
the lid to the point where the lid is not
secure enough on the cup because of how hot to
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drink is. And is that the barista fall for the
drink being that hot or is that the preset temperature
that's the company standard.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, I think that the temperature definitely has something to
do with the lids because of expanding and contracting. I
mean that's but yes, the steam is so hot that
it could actually melt the lid. And this particular drink
had like what was it, some tea with this steamed lemonade.
Like I just like I said before, I don't understand
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why it has to be so hot. So what happened
was this guy goes to get the drinks. And another
thing that you could think about too, is that most
of these drive throughs, when you're in a car, you're
usually lower than the window of the drive through, so
they're handing it from a height which is which is
probably more dangerous as well. Spills this on his lap
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and gets third degree burns to his penis and groin
and inner thighs so bad that he has to get
he has to go to a burn center and get
two skin grafts. So this is like, legit changed this
man's life forever. Any time you get surgery on your penis,
you're going to lose a lack of sensation, and having
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to get skin grafts on a large portion of your
penis could really be devastating for erections. It just for
for all time. Just the appearance of his penis is different.
And I'm sorry, but like we all joke like, oh
guys penis and stuff like that, but like this is
this to me is like a huge deal, Like it's
changing his life forever. And I think that it's it's
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valid that he's that he's suing them, especially think about it,
like he wasn't even going to get the drink for himself,
he was at work.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, I want to say, like I feel like because
he sued Starbucks and they had to end up paying
him fifty million dollars, that this lawsuit must have uncovered
something deep. This couldn't have just been as simple as
the Barisa not securing the drink, and there had to
be a much larger issue, which is why the company
had to pay out that much money. Because think about it,
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when they're at Starbucks it's not like they're heating up
the water to a very specific degree and then putting
it in the cup.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's attached to the machines. So they are. They are
because what let's say they boil tea that's one thing.
But when they're doing that, when they're doing a latte
or doing like steamed lemonade and stuff, they have thermometers
in those little cups when they're heating stuff up, so
it has to be to whatever degree they say it is.
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I don't know because I never worked in the coffee shop,
but okay, well, if you have a hot water dispenser
on one of those machines, it's coming out at a
set temperature. Think about your espresso machine at your house.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Can you set the temperature that that's coming out not
on or you just pull the nozzle and it comes
out as set temperature? So is that a temperature that's
pre set on the machines. Is it a temperature that
Starbucks as a corporate has decided.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I like, my espresso machine has three choices of what
temperature to make it, So it could be like hot,
really hot, or really really hot. I don't know what
the temperatures are, but like I don't have a five
thousand dollars espresso machine either, so I don't know what
they're capable of, but it could just be in that
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case that she steamed it too hot. But listen, like,
when you make tea, you're supposed to make tea with
near boiling water, which is like over two hundred degrees,
so you need water that hot in order to brew
tea with. And the same with coffee as well. So
this isn't going to be one hundred percent avoidable because
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a lot of times people just get black coffee and
they don't get it like watered down with milk and stuff,
and it has to be a certain temperature. And with
that McDonald's case, they found that it was way hotter
than it should have been. I don't know what they
uncovered here because they didn't say any of it. Like
to me, it looks like the lawsuit was as simple
as they have this on tape, and this guy like
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had massive change of life because of these injuries. But
maybe somebody that works as Starbucks would be able to
tell us, because honestly, of course, they did like a
whole entire retraining of all the employees that works here
because they never want something like this to happen again,
And quite frankly, I wouldn't even want to work at
the window because I'd be scared to death. I mean,
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sometimes you might think a person has it and they
don't have a grip on it or whatever, and it's
just like scary, you know. Yeah, do you think now
this is so crazy? So this was like a Postmates thing,
which is like a DoorDash type of thing. So from
the customer's perspective, like they ordered this drink and it
just doesn't show up to their house, Like do you
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think they have any idea that the drink that they
ordered caused all this pain to this guy? Or were
they just like how many times do we order DoorDash
or something and like they just don't show up and
your order goes missing or something and you never really
know like what happened. You're just like, oh, okay, like it's
just gone, I'll have to order from somewhere else or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't know unless the
driver told them, which I don't think he's worried about
telling them exactly what went with Like, Hi.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
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All right, let's talk about Reddit.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Reddit is being accused of censoring content related to Luigi MANGIONI.
Isn't this interesting?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It is interesting to me because I felt like Reddit
was always like a safe place that they censor anybody
over anything.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, I would think so too. But over the last
year or so, I've definitely noticed a change where like
you used to be able to go on there and
like see really gruesome videos or go on pages where
people were just like talking about literally anything, and you
would be like, oh my god, I can't believe that
this is allowed online. And now those pages definitely don't
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exist anymore. So I think in some regard they've been
cracking down on, I want to say, like more violent things.
I definitely noticed with true crime pages they don't have
as graphical photos anymore, and they certainly don't have certain content,
and I think this is just falling under that umbrella.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So it the reason that I think it's interesting. I
feel like we were talking about this recently that there's groups.
I mean, we knew there was Luigi groups on there,
but there's also ones for Brian Coberger saying that like
women are in love with him and stuff, And I
mean this just is like this whole conversation that we
have all the time recently, especially with like freedom of
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speech and what do you consider to be like inciting
violence versus not and this and that and but not
to get into that. But in the Grosser Room back
in twenty twenty three, so this was like two years
ago now, I wrote a post called sick Minds and
it was because one of the members of the Grosser
Room sent me a link to a subreddit that was
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called a castration group. Okay, so of course I was like,
let me see this because I'm interested in seeing this,
and the whole entire group was dedicated to people that
want to cut off their balls, and like like this,
this is like not a lie, right. The easiest thing
is that there's twelve thousand members in this group, twelve
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thousand people, and all of the posts talk about either
them wanting to cut off their balls or how they
did cut off their balls, either with a knife or
doing chemical castration to themselves, with graphic pictures and texts.
So of course I documented all of it in this
post because.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
This has been talking about. So pages like that used
to exist, but I don't feel like they do anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, thank god, I screenshot all those. I don't know
if they do, because it's like kind of not my
scene to go on those things. But when people send
me interesting stuff, I'm always curious about it. I just
I guess part of the problem with these forums, and
I've been saying this forever, is like when people have
great ideas, so they're great for people like me who
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like to do gardening and stuff, and it'll say like, oh, well,
when you're trying to grow a plant, you might want
to spray the roots with hydrogen peroxide. It's like, oh cool,
Like you get e ideas from all people all over,
But when people have sick thoughts, then these people are
all meeting up in the same room and sharing their
sick thoughts. So there's ones for child pornography, and there's
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ones for people that are in love with serial killers
and people who think Luigi Mangioni is God and all
of this stuff, right, so it could get or people
that want to conduct school shootings and just or or
other kinds of terrorism.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So well, I guess Freda is saying that people have
every right to talk about Luigi Mangioni. But the moderator
that got suspended in relationship to this was approving comments
that they were saying was you know, like could turn
violent or in sight violent, So they weren't in support
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of that. So I guess there's been all these groups
with Luigi, but there is one called Free Luigi, which
has thirty seven thousand members, which is insane to think about.
But a couple of people on here we're talking about
how other Luigi Mangioni forums had got down. But Reddit's
saying that if one of the groups got shut down
for the violence violation, then if they try to make
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a similar group with a similar name. It's like on
Instagram when you block somebody and they're like block this
person that makes any other accounts, right.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, so they have to have some kind of technology
that's that's picking these people out and what they're saying
or certain phrases that they're saying, and.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, so they're just trying to like use their AI
I guess to make sure that everything's staying kosher and
not everybody is going to start this massive riot or
people aren't going to just start going out and doing
Luigi like actions.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I guess I could see from Reddit's point of view,
because what's going to happen is, let's say, for example,
in one of these groups, two people were laying out
all these things as to why these CEOs should be killed,
and then another one gets killed, and of course they're
going to go back through this person's social media and everything,
and then they're going to see that these conversations took
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place on Reddit. I mean, like if that was one
of my family members, for example, I'd be looking to
go after Reddit as well for allowing the talk to
and the contact to even a car over it. So
I mean, and this could be said about like God,
lots of different things going on in the world right now,
so there's some responsibility I guess for it. It's just
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like I said, they created all this technology so fast,
and now they don't have the they don't have the
resources or the knowledge to get on top of it
as fast as people are, you know. Like it's just interesting, like.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Why now, because I always see Reddit. Remember when billion
googled what's the dark Web? I see Reddit as this
weird in between of social media and what we think
of as the dark web. It's like this website that
exists that is currently running where people could talk about
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literally anything. But they're clearly implementing a bunch of changes
recently because they will be held responsible if something happens eventually.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, and there's been times where we've been talking about
certain cases and we're and this would be years ago
that we'd be like, you know, well, let's look on
rid it and see if we can find it, because
with a traditional Google search, like we're not able to
get this stuff and then you find it right away.
But like you're saying, like it's not as easy to
do anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, and obviously like most technology and their tools, like
you don't just go on Reddit for bad things, right,
Like you can go on there, like you're saying, for
gardening tips or cooking or like medical things. I mean
I wouldn't take medical advice, but you could see other
people's experiences with certain stuff. But definitely people are going.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
On it for nefarious reasons. All right, So this next
case is so horrible. We didn't we didn't report it
when it happens because someone's killed at least once a
week by a dog. So like we're not reporting them
unless they're extenuating circumstances because it would just get boring
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really quick. But let's talk about them. When was this
When did this case happen? This happened last year.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So a seventy three year old grandma was outside of
her condo and she was just, you know, doing old
lady things and gardening, and then all of a sudden,
her neighbors to pit bulls came out of nowhere and
attacked her and started dismembering her in front of her
disabled husband who was there in a wheelchair. And it
turns out that the dogs were on cocaine.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
God, this just pisses me off so bad. So before
all you crazy pitbull people get all on us, that's
how it was reported in People magazine as them being
pit bulls. So because I know that a lot of
people who own pitpules think they're like the sweetest teddy
bears in the world, and they're not actually really a
breed and they get bullied. So just putting it out
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there that we're not the ones saying it. It's been
reported in the New But like, it's pretty hard to
deny the fact that that particular type of dog is
listed in ninety percent of these cases. And I know
that other dogs bite people a lot of time. Owners
are say, chihuahuas bite people more than piples do, but
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chuahuas also don't dismember people, so let's keep that in mind.
I I'm not a fan of these dogs at all,
I don't want my kids anywhere near them. So if
you want to have one, and you want to have
one next to your babies and all that stuff like,
that's totally fine. I understand that it's not the dog's
fault that they act like this, that their owners are assholes,
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like leaving cocaine around for the dogs to have access
to them to it, But it doesn't change the fact
that they have the potential to be vicious and can
hurt people. And it really pisses me off when it's
cases like this where this wasn't this woman's dog. She
was just living at her house, being outside, enjoying being
an old person, and they killed an innocent woman. And
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I mean imagine being like, this is my parents' age,
Like imagine just like finding out that my mom was
outside guarding, which would never happen, by the way, so
I guess we're safe there. Yeah, but my dad's sitting
out there and all of a sudden, some dog comes
up to her and starts like ripping her arms off
right in front of my father. Like the trauma for
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my father to experience that, the trauma for me to
experience that, Like, and my brother and sister just and
everybody that knows us. It's just it's just completely doesn't
even need to happen, because you don't need to have
these dogs, like people oftentimes get them because they think
that makes them look like a badass or something, and
like you have, they've had problems with these dogs, these
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particular people. To the point, Yeah, this situation was extremely
preventable because there had been many reports to the homeowners'
association about the dogs being a problem, and then a
judge had eventually ordered This was just a couple of
weeks before this woman was attacked, that a judge had
ordered for them to get rid of the dogs or
like re home them or whatever, but they didn't do that.
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And then a week after that, the.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Cops get called because of the dogs again, and then
animal control allegedly according to this family didn't step in
and take the proper precautions. And then after that is
when the old lady got attacked.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So the family is.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Suing the homeowners' association, the animal control, and the home
or not the homeowners, the owners of the dogs rightfully.
So in my opinion, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean I just can't even imagine what and listen,
like the dogs ended up getting shot and killed by police,
and it's certainly not the dog's fault, and it's freaking terrible.
It's just like, like I don't know, it's just it's
just so terrible when you hear these kinds of stories,
and I just feel really bad for the family. I
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think people the homeowners' association and stuff. It's just like,
I don't know how if they ordered them to do
it and they didn't do it, I don't know what
control they have over that, Like can they send because
I believe animal control officers are actually have the ability
to like arrest people when they're mistreating animals or they're right.
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So I don't understand like as soon as they didn't
if they checked and said that they didn't remove the dogs,
like why they didn't go in and take action then,
But I'm not really sure. Well, we don't know all
the details.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
We don't know all the details of what happened, like
where they contacted, did they definitely show up or did
they not show up like what happened. So I think
this is really unfortunate in general, and the fact that
like all these people were calling and reporting it, and
that these people weren't doing the right thing is disgusting.
I mean, they were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, but
now they're going to face this civil suit too from
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the family, which they should.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I mean, but like who cares, Like it's not
changing the situation. No, it definitely doesn't. I mean I
don't even know. I'm assuming that this cocaine just further.
I mean, you've heard of things like this happening with
these types of dogs that don't have any cocaine in
their body. And they were saying that the cops shot
the dog and the dogs still like got up and
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went back to the lady and still was like mauling
her body. Yeah, I mean they like, that's freaking nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Think about how erratic a human x on cocaine, let
alone a dog.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I can't even imagine the Again, like another situation where
the cops and first responders like showing up and seeing
like a woman being ripped apart by dogs. Like how
traumatic is that? I know? Seriously, And just god there
poor kids like hearing about this. It's just fucking terrible.
So so this I get this. I get a lot
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of emails from different medical associations and there was this
interesting one that I read about sharing your medical information
on AI that I thought that we'd talk about because
it's been in the news lately.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, So I guess Eli Musk put out like some
public message that he was encouraging people to share their
medical records with his AI on X called groc and.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Is that how you pronounce it? I assume that's what
it was.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Okay, So regardless, he wanted people to share their medical
records with this AI system because he thinks that he's
going to try to teach it to like learn all
of the scans and how to maybe eventually diagnose these problems.
But this ethicist is coming forward saying that this really
isn't a good idea because it's not really a controlled group.
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You could have people uploading fake documents. You could only
have a certain population, Like specifically, he was saying, white
males are the primary users of X, so you only
have like one certain demographic uploading their records to it.
There's privacy concerns.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
So I think that in general, in my opinion, AI
is a a lot of people are scared of it.
We're all scared of it. But at this point, it's here,
and I look at it as just being another tool.
So for example, when I was in school, it was
and this was like college because I didn't even have
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there was no Internet or Google by the time I was,
you know, out of high school. But when I first
went to undergrad college for psychology and we had to
if we ever had to write papers or anything like that,
it was like, you can't use Google as a reference,
do you. I don't even know if you remember that,
but because that probably didn't even happen in your lifetime,
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but it was like, yeah, Google is not a reference.
You need to go to the library and like actually
write down whatever book you got this information from. And
now it's like nobody, like people rarely do that anymore.
It's like everything is Google. AI is just another tool
in the toolbox if it's used correctly, just to help
people do their work. Because Google was considered cheating, like
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of course it's easy, Like if I just want to
look something up, it could pop up on my computer,
I don't even need to get in the car and
go to the library and look up anything. It's cheating, right,
So I think a lot of medical professionals are a
little bit threatened by the technology, just as singers and
actors are because they don't want to be replaced. And
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when you see how intelligent some of these things can be,
it is almost scary that they are able to come
up with similar results. So I guess Elon was saying
that if you type in all of your symptoms and
put in your blood work and stuff, it could give
you a diagnosis when there's times that doctors can't give
you a diagnosis, which I believe is one hundred percent true.
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That is completely possible. But at the same time, you
are when you upload your blood results, you're you're uploading
a document usually that you've gotten from your doctor from
a lab, that has critical information on it your name,
your address, your day to birth, and your medical record number,
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sometimes your Social Security number, and so right there, you
always have to be concerned about that because what's happening
with these things that you're uploading, like, we don't have
any clear cut answer of what's happening. And I guess
this guy was comparing it to twenty three and meters
where people were donating. They're not donating, they were putting
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in their DNA to find out their ancestry, and then
all of a sudden they went bankrupt and it was like, well,
what's happening with all that information? Now? It's not protected.
And the scary thing is is that people that run
all of these tech companies, the thing that they say
always is worth the most amount of money is your
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information that they want to have, so they could build
analytics based upon that. So there's just like so much
more to it. So I think that I like the
idea of AI for medical stuff. I almost think that
it would be better for physicians to run it through
because it's just like I said, it's another tool that
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could possibly help them because you can't sit there and say, well,
the AI is wrong sometimes because guess what, doctors are
wrong a lot of times too. So it's that's that's
not a thing. But some of the things that take
into consideration. For example, like let's say a physician's looking
at a pathology report from colon cancer, or not even
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a physician, but a PA like myself or whatever. We
could look at all the information based upon what it
looked like and then look at the slides and be
able to tell like what stage of the cancer it
was and what the the grade is and all of
that stuff. That is because when we look at this.
That's our education looking at it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Let's say, Maria, you get diagnosed with colon cancer and
you have a pathology report and you have access to
like ten pictures of slides that came along with that case.
How do you know which slide to put in to
Grock to say, Okay, this is the one that you
need to look at and tell me what it is
like as a regular person, Like, would you know even
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which picture to put in there?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I wouldn't. And I agree with you where you're saying.
If you had doctors uploading this information, I think it
could be really beneficial, But there certainly is a problem
with the public just doing it because a lay people
don't know what they're looking at. B you have the
inevitable asshole that's going to upload something fake so like that,
then that's going to do a bunch of damage to
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the system. I think it could be really beneficial if
you had the right people doing it in a more
controlled environment. But just having the Internet, which is like
the wild West, just like upload whatever they want. I
don't think that's such a good idea.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean, it is. It just it just worries me because,
let's say, for example, you had these these ten pictures
of colon cancer case and you just uploaded like a
random one. Well, it might actually tell you that you
don't even have cancer, because some of the slides that
we put through for colon cancer cases are just like
a representative section of benign tissue just so the pathol
just knows like what their colon normally looks like. So
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what if you upload that particular picture and it's like,
you actually don't have cancer, Like this is the problem
with that. On the other hand, I understand the frustration
because I've had a lot of friends and stuff that,
like one of my best friends actually is going through
this right now, that like she's having all these symptoms
and she's and her blood test are like kind of
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random and very nonspecific, and nobody could tell her what's
been going on with her body. And she might feel
like she would want to put it in because maybe
the computer might pick up something that that the doctor's
not picking up. Because I'll tell you what, a lot
of times doctors just have a really hard time putting
two and two together to come up with a diagnosis.
So I think in that respect that it's good I
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would be scared of your privacy information because let's say,
for example, so right now, recently, I just had one
of my kids got diagnosed with scoliosis and we had
to do the whole back brace thing and everything. So
I've been like Google searching just different things if there's
any support groups or anything for kids her age, and
this and that. So I'm on Google doing that, and
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then all of a sudden, I go on Facebook and
I start getting ads for like scoliosis, back braces and
stuff like that's kind of fucked up, Like they're they're
they're gonna use your information to try to sell you stuff,
and and and I mean, and this is not just
for medical stuff, it's for anything. But you see how
other companies are using your search information to sell you stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I mean, my Facebook thinks I have mezothelioma because of
when we wrote about the asbestoicity a couple months ago.
So think of.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
It exactly like it. It's that's the kind of stuff
that you need to worry about. And and when you're
doing that, there's like you're not even checking off a
box that says like, hey, I'm allowing you to use whatever,
cause they're there's like no rules with it right now,
because it's so brand new. I do think, and I'll
say this again, like I think that there's certain doctors
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that just feel really intimidated by this technology. I was
actually surprised when I started my Instagram like twelve years
ago now that a lot of doctors and medical people
were kind of really pissed off that I was showing
some of these images on the Internet because they thought, like,
this is only for medical people, Like, why would you
be teaching regular people this because doctors sometimes have this
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complex that they're that they like, are these holy beings
that know more than the average person or something. I
don't know. But regardless, I think that a part of
it is you got you got to kind of like
listen to these experts because they're they're just like, oh no,
there's no way that this technology could possibly ever replace
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a doctor, which in fact, it probably could at some
point one day, which is really scary, but I don't
know that's reality.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I don't agree that AI could completely replace doctors, not completely,
not completely, but human element behind all technology, you need
a human element, but it could cut a lot in between.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's it could cut a lot in between.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
But like people are like arguing that, you know, like
robots and AI are gonna completely take over these industries
with no human involvement at all. It's just not possible.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
They let it run themselves. Let me just give you
an example, though, So back in the day, like when
you worked in the lab, you were actually a chemist.
You sat there and you mixed chemicals together in blood
and tried to diagnose things and all and then all
of a sudden, so that took a lot of work,
a lot of employees, and a lot of like really
smart people to be able to do that stuff and
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figure it out. And now it's just like, oh, now
you could just send the blood down to the lab
and a person has to stick it on a machine.
And yes, like a person needs to know if the
machine isn't working right or if the machine is wrong,
but like the machine's doing all of the brain work
in that situation.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
But Elizabeth Holmes invented a machine for blood testing that
was giving inaccurate results, and if real people weren't analyzing those,
they wouldn't never figured.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Out I'm saying that, but one real person could analyze
that instead of the fifteen you would need to do
the actual tests, so like it cuts out a lot
of people. It just shortens it. Like there's machines right
now that could read pap smears, So it's like, well,
why would you employ you know, six cytotechts to be
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looking at pap smears that are allowed to read one
hundred slides a day. Where you could stick those six
hundred slides in a machine and have one cytotech overlooking it.
Like it cuts out multiple positions and the need for
people in a lot of senses, but not completely.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, I guess time will tell, But I feel like
we're gonna totally do a three sixty and go back
to like no social media, no technology, because it's so
detrimental in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, the problem is is that it's it's a legit addiction.
But I agree with you, like there are times that
I have these like breaks that I'm just like, you
know what, like maybe I should just go to cricket
and get a flip phone and just not not be
connected to this thing like this, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.
Every Friday at the app Mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys, get head over to our story and ask
us whatever you want. One, what are some good questions
to ask a person before they die?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I mean I don't know. I guess it depends on
who the person is, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Because I mean if it was like your significant other
or something you want to know, like you know, all
the access to everything you need to know, they run
your household, like bills and tax and for retirement.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
That stuffs like very shallow. It's shallows more.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like did you have the best life with me? Well,
I think if you knew the person was dying to
be asking them questions, Maria's just like, yeah, bye, what's
your passwords? I have a death folder, so now we
know how you feel. But like, let's say, for example,
when like Robert Wagner and Christopher Walker are on their
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like their deathbed, you might want to actually ask them
what happened with Natalie Wood right? Or like Casey Anthony
and her parents, like what really happened to Katie Anthony? Right?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
They're like people you actually want to ask questions to
on their deathbed.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
I think it a questions about their life. But I'm
saying you have to be practical too. Whatever, I have
a death folder, so you don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
You're such a crazy person.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm not a crazy person. It's practical. If I died,
I'd pay all the bills and I do everything like
I need to tell everybody where to access.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
To my shit. So I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
All right, are you both organ dotors?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yes? Three. I live in Cape May County.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
What's your favorite restaurant to go to from oc to
Cape May?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, Unfortunately, I'm gonna tell you this that my favorite
restaurant down the Shore because we like, I would consider
down the Shore to be anywhere from Atlantic City to
Cape May. So my favorite restaurant is Cafe two eight
two five in Atlantic City is cans down the best
Italian restaurant that I've ever been to, probably, but there
is a runner up that's more like old school Italian
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and that's near you in Cape May County. That's called Nino's.
I love that place. Remember we went there for my
birthday this year. Yeah, I love that place. Is awesome.
What about Ocean City Boardwalk? Our favorite place is Bashful Banana. Yeah,
bash which is like seems I don't know why, but
it always seems like I end up on the boardwalk
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on a Tuesday night and they're not open that night,
and it just like ruins my life. So I would
say that that is probably my favorite place. But I
mean Isla like love Maco Maco pizza too, obviously, but
they don't really have good gluten free crust and like
I can't. The one that they have is kind of
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like eh, so I don't eat it anymore unfortunately. And
we stay at the Virginia Hotel in Cape May when
we for our anniversary, and there's the Ebbit room that's
there that's like our fancy dining out once a year.
It's pretty expensive, but it's it's really good.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I'm trying to find this coffee shop. I went to
an ocean city that was so good. I literally went
there every single day really we were down there. Yeah,
they had, oh that.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
One in Cape May Ostara is it's called That's my
favorite one there too. They have really good gluten free treats.
But their chai lats are so good. They're like I
feel like they make their own chai or something. It's
like extra spicy and delicious. So that place. I love
that place too.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
You know what I really love, which is like not
an unpopular opinion is Lobster House. I think it's just
such a classic old school restaurant every time i've.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yet, I don't know if I've actually ever been there.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
It's it's like it's similar to the pub in the
sense of being an old school steakhouse. But it's really
good and they have a lot of seafood, obviously, but
they have really good drinks. They have really good steak
I love every time we go there. I also love
Uncle Bill's. I know it's a chain, but their their
breakfast is so good and they have really good gluten
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free pancakes there.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I don't know I've ever been there either.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh my god, you're like not hitting all the good shripes.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Listen, when we go to the Virginia Hotel, they have
breakfasts that you get every day and it's so delicious.
It's from that beach plum place, you know. I love them. Yeah,
it's like really good. So we never get breakfast. We
just go out and get coffee while we're there.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh my gosh, I cannot find the name of this
coffee shop.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
It's is it on the boardwalk?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
No, it's like near the inlet.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Oh, I don't know. I don't we like rarely travel
off some boardwalk. Honestly, hold on, I'm getting closer. So
it's called a New n E or sorry, a n EU.
I think they're only open seasonally. But they had this
rose latte.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
I got it literally every single day we were there
last year. And then they had really good glute and
free pastries. They also had like chicken cutlets and kisha
and ice cream and all this other stuff too.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Oh yeah, all right, so who that listener? Please write
us back and tell us what you like, because we're
always you know, we don't live down there, so and
we just keep going back to our regulars. So if
there's like really good places, let us know.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of other plates. I definitely
love the beach Plum. There's also a winery which is
right next to the beach Plum. I don't know what
it's called off the top of my head. It's like
this big yellow building. They have really good food and
their wine's really good too. Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I really like that place on the boardwalk too, that
sells the the lobster rolls because they have a glute
and free ver and they just put the lobster in
a cop. I mean, it doesn't have the delicious buttery
roll with it, but it's still so good. I think
it's called like Quincy's or something. Yeah, you know that
little like shacky building with the stripes on the roof. Yeah, yeah,
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But we love going down there. I'm not really a
beach person, but I like the short atmosphere. Yeah, like,
and you know, it's weird so at in Ocean City,
there's two there's it's a boardwalk with two major peers
that have rides on it for the kids. And now
this year they closed one of them down that's been
there for almost one hundred years, and I'm really actually
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frightened to see what's going to happen this summer because
that means that all the people that were on those
rides are now going to go to the other one
and it's going to be even more crowded. That's how
I look at it.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah. So I'm kind of like like it's already like
borderline too people for me, and I just like I
can't deal with that. So I hope it doesn't ruin
it all right.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
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Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
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