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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about an Amazon lawsuit involving the death
of a child, a murderer who strangled his wife to
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death during a conjugal visit, catching a sexually transmitted infection
from a water bottle, and tasteless merchandise being sold on Etsy.
All that plus a lot more good stuff to talk
about today, Let's get started with this Amazon lawsuit, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So back in twenty twenty three, this couple and their
three year old twins went to take a nap, and
beforehand they made sure all the doors were locked, including
these sliding glass doors that went into their backyard. So
while the parents were asleep, the kids woke up and
started wandering around the house, got out the sliding door
somehow and ended up in the pool, and both of
them were found unconscious.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I like, listen, since we're talking about me being super
judgmental on the last episode, just gotta go out there
and say it, like you just you just like cannot
have toddlers walking around the house by themselves. Ever, Like,
even if the door's locked. Ever, it's just a terrible idea. Yeah,
there should never be two adults because when you're sleeping,
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it's essentially like no one's home. You just cannot do that.
But what do you do at nighttime?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Though, like when everybody's going to bed. I know this
is a nap, but like, I think the problem is
there wasn't like double security in this case, not that
all the people in the house were sleeping, because you
can't avoid that, like somebody can't be on night watch.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I don't know. I just think that at nighttime there's
just a less probability of that happening Number one on
just because they're in a deeper sleep. If you know
that the kids are going to be getting up and
going around, I mean, you could do things to stop that,
like lock their door. There's no if they are three
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year old, they and they're in their bedroom and they're safe.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with locking the
outside of their door so they don't get out if
they don't need to get out, because why like why
would they need to get out? Do they even are
they using the bathroom and stuff by themselves at that point?
I guess, so maybe I don't know, well I do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think it is responsible. Like I have a I
have friends with a kid around this age, and they
lock the door when the kids sleep in and stuff
like when he goes to bed and he's in the
room for nap time, like he's locked in the room
from the outside, like he can't open the door himself.
But like you have to think of the safety risk,
like he could get out, he could fall down the steps.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like, yeah, I don't I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think that that because even if you think, like
if something happens to you and you die in your
sleep or whatever happens, like it doesn't matter. The kid'll
be safe in that room if that room's one hundred
percent baby proof. I just don't like the idea of
I mean, like, to me, I'm thinking these parents had
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these sliding doors that they were making sure were locked
because they knew the kids could get out them. They've
done it before. It's not like they just thought of that, right,
they were just like, oh, let's make sure the back
door is locked so the kid doesn't get out of
the house. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So this story just it just gets worse because the
mom discovered them unconscious in the pool. The dad ended
up calling nine one one, and one of the kids survived,
but the other ended up drowning, which is just absolutely horrible.
It seems like they placed a chair against the glass
and the lock failed on the door, which caused it
to unlatch. So now they're suing Amazon for selling them
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a quote defectively designed sliding door lock.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't agree with this.
I think it's a terrible tragedy. I think, like I
can't even imagine losing a child, and they're incredibly lucky
that the other one survived, incredibly lucky. I mean, they
almost lost their three year old twins, and I you know, listen,
like I'm a parent and I've done dumb shit before.
(04:22):
My kids have gotten hurt, Like one of my kids
picked up a hot uh crawling iron once, Like like
this happens when you're a kid, when you're a parent,
You're tired, you're overwhelmed. I can't even imagine what it's
like having two three year olds at one time. I
would like not be okay with that. So you know,
you're tired, you're overwhelmed, you want to take a nap
or whatever. But like things happen, and like this is
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just one hundred percent of parent problem. I I don't
even see how Amazon, Like let's say Amazon selling a product,
Why is Amazon getting sued? What's why? Like, if anything,
you might want to sue a manufacturer of the product,
but what does that have to do with Amazon. They're
just distributing it, right.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Like Amazon's effectively just the marketplace. And I guess in
some sense you could try to hold them responsible for
not vetting their vendors.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But as we know, like.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
One of our first external exams with a New York firefighter,
and he was explaining that you should only be buying
like plugs and certain things with the UL warning on it, right,
and that a lot of these manufacturers that sell on
Amazon print fake labels, so like how do they know
what's credible and what's not? And I don't really think
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they're vetting people like that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, And I just heard about this too with the
vitamin supplements and stuff. There has listen, Like, you can't
just sue everybody for everything's people. There has to be
personal responsibility for some things in life. Like there's there's
things that are negligent, and then there's things that are this,
like if they have so they have videos inside the
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house and stuff, and they showed the video of the
kids going up to the door and getting on a
chair and opening the door. Like these kids are three
years old, right, Like did they talk to each other
and stuff and made this plan and like or is
this something that they know that they can get on
the chair and open it. I just think like to
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have two little brains like that together, it's just like
an interesting situation to think like how they both came
together to get out of the house, like like this
was the first time. But whatever, kids are smart and
they figure stuff out.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I think I think the greater concern here is I
think that when people are faced with tragedy, they're looking
for somebody to blame. And that's where the Amazon lawsuit
comes in. But I think the greater problem here is that,
like they did the right thing in making sure the
door was locked, but they didn't really have like secondary
preventative measures, which you need with children a lot of times.
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All Right, So in West Virginia, the three month old
babies with her dad, and when the mom gets her
after their custody exchange, she sees that this baby is
covered in bruises. So she brings a baby to the
hospital and finds that she has all these horrific injuries
because the dad later admitted to quote squeezing the baby
because he was trying to quote relieve it of built
up feces.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, and they were like, yeah, that did happen. So
this kid goes to the hospital and this is what
I was talking about maybe in the last episode. It
just about like the horrible things that some doctors and
nurses have to deal with. They get this baby brought
into the hospital and they had to do emergency surgery.
The kid had bruising, an a laceration of the esophagus
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as well as a new methorax, which is air inside
the chest cavity. So they had to do this emergency
surgery in order to repair the laceration and to take
care of the new mathorax. And like imagine being a
doctor and a nurse just looking at a baby with
these injuries and just being like, Okay, what happened? How
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did this happen? Because you don't just spontaneously have those
things happen. And then you think about like like a
tearing the esophagus like that, like that's what happened. Like,
the guy squeezed the kid so freaking hard that it
ripped the esophagus, which is kind of underlying the breastbone.
There the the sternum, and you think, like, just a
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three month old baby, how's this happen? And just imagine
like looking at this little baby and thinking that somebody
intentionally harmed them, and you know, they go and interview
the dad and it's like, first he denied it, and
then he said that he was helping the baby poop,
which is like, if you were helping the baby poop,
why was the injury all the way up at her
chest exactly? And then then the real story came out,
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which was he was he was stressed out about work,
and then he came home and his girlfriend like god
on his case, and who's not the baby's mother, it's
just another girlfriend, which is like, okay, this kid's three
months old and there's already another girlfriend in the picture.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Whatever, But he squeeze with his ex wife and his
current girlfriend, so there had been an established history between them.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's cute. So so yeah, he decided to squeeze the
baby to take out his frustration, like she was a
human stress ball or something, and like think about like
a big man's hands like squeezing a.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Baby like that. It's so gross. No, it's really disgusting.
And also his like ex wife, current girlfriend, whatever situation,
was a special needs educator AID, so she's like legally
obligated to notify somebody if she sees a child getting
injured and she just witnesses it. She said she noticed
the child's injuries the night before the kid was returned
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to her biological mom and just didn't say anything about
it at all.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, Like is she in trouble?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, so like not reporting or whatever. Yeah, so she
is because of her job and like being in And
she's been charged with gross child neglect resulting in serious
bodily injury of an infant. And then the dad has
been charged with one count of child abused by a parent,
guardian or custodian and one count of strangulation, suffocation and asphyxiation.
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How horrible is this?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's a baby. So the girl this isn't the ex
wife that that was the special needs educator. She was
just picking the kid up from the custody for the
custody swap, right, this was the girlfriend you're talking about the.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Girlfriend is the special needs educator.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah she lives that she lives with him currently.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I don't think yeah so she It just this story
is written weird because this this this educator aid is
the ex wife and current girlfriend of this man. And
then they're referring to the child's mother as the biological mother,
and like, we don't know if they ever officially dated.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Wait, he's the she's she? Okay, the special needs educator,
the one currently living with him is his ex wife
and current girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, they were married at some point, they got divorced
and now they are in a relationship again.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay. And then so then the baby's mama is like
not is not a.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Totally separate person that doesn't live in the home.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, So they were probably married and then he knocked
up someone else and then they got divorced and now
they're back together again, and this baby mama is like
on the side. It's like a it's like the episode
of like Choe Kardashian Chloe Kardashian Tristan situation, Like it's
just like this random baby out of wella Okay, so
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that's literally exactly what it's like. Okay, so you are
Wow that that's like crazy. So yeah, like, like we
were saying last episode, not an ideal situation, have a
baby in right, But this is what happens in these
not ideas situation sometimes. So so he's taken his frustration
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out on this baby. Now this this, this story is
just like really interesting. So this guy and his wife
now have custody of this child that's a love child,
and the.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're assuming it's a love child.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, there are a lot of people believe in it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I mean mostly celebrities of the youth that like get
divorced and then they end up getting back together like
years later. So we don't know the exact timeline, but
we can assume.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So we can assume. So we can assume that the
wife was babysitting the love child while the guy was
at work, which wouldn't make any woman happy. He comes
home from work and he's stressed from work, and then
she gets on his ass because she's been taking care
of a baby all day that's not hers, and they
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get into a fight, and then the guy decides to
go up to the baby, who he said was not
crying or anything, and decided to take his frustration out
on the baby, like he should get way more than
one count of child abuse for this and one count
of asphyxiation like hold do some time, but not like
a ton honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, yeah, and this is all.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
This is all your assumption of what went down to.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
That sounds like a good story, but I would I
don't know why if the kid was in like such
bad condition, why this could Why couldn't this be considered
like attempted murder or something. If the child was in
such bad condition and he said she was innocently just
sitting there and he had assaulted her.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It should be. But maybe that's I don't know. You know,
we always have questions about this, and I actually have
no interest in law stuff, Like.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I'm interested in law, but I get tiri I when
I get mad.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So I don't think if you could in the court room,
you would cry it every like every time someone asked
you a question. You would cry.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
When I'm animated, my eyes just get like teary by default.
I'm not even like upset half the time.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But I don't need people.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Why is that lawyer crying in every single meeting?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
All right?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, So this sixty two year old woman went to
a California prison to have an overnight conjugal visit with
her convicted murderer husband, and surprise, he killed her. I
didn't even so, again, this is like a subject I
don't know anything about, is conjugal visits. I didn't realize
they were overnight, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I didn't realize that either things. And I mean, if
they allow it. So they're saying like, there's all this
criteria to be allowed to have it, Like it's not,
everyone's right. There's all days they have to apply for
it and meet strict eligibility criteria, have good behavior, it's
all family has to get interviewed.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's also only permitted in California, Connecticut, New York, and
Washington and not in federal prisons.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So so, but wait, he's not in a federal prison
for doing all that time. I guess he's in jail
for killing four people. I don't know, maybe maybe not.
I just I don't really know how that works. But regardless,
he's he killed four people, and this woman and this
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was in nineteen ninety three, she's been like standing by
his side this whole time and going and visiting and stuff.
And he told the guards that she passed out or something,
and they did the autopsy and they were like, nah,
the manner of death is homicide and she has she
was manually strangled.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I just can't imagine you're allowed to have a conjugal,
unsupervised visit with a violent offender like that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well you, I mean you can. I guess if he's
been in jail since nineteen ninety three, there're two years.
That's a long time, like he if he was very
good in jail and doing the right thing, like he
could have been eligible for it, I guess. And they
say like that they the family has to present them
time themselves to the guards, like four times within twenty
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four hours, but they can. They have the right to
do unscheduled checks whenever they want. But they were saying
like they try to ensure the privacy of the inmates
and their visitors during their visit, like they don't really
want to walk in on people like having sex or
doing whatever they're doing. But I don't know, this just
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sounds so it sounds so off to me, And I
feel like, are the officers going to get in some
kind of trouble for this or is it just like Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I just I don't really know, because it's like you're
saying that he had to apply and get approved to
do this, so like who is it that that person's
fault who approved him? Like, I just think if you're
in prison for life without the possibility of parole because
you killed four people, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to
have unsupervised visits with people. I don't know, I just
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feel like something. I feel like that can't really prove
it's for people. It's not like he killed one person,
like you clearly have a pattern of violence.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, exactly. It's not like it's not like, oh, you
were drunk and you punch someone at the bar when
you were twenty, like like Brian Coberger potentially killed four people.
You're gonna let that dude have conjugal visits? Come on,
well serious, it's it's not you. It's serious. Like he's
he's gonna be like the mac Daddy when he goes
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to prison. He's got all these people that are like,
I'm serious, He's he's gonna have visitors like lined up
around the block for him. And are they gonna are
they gonna like allow that? That's it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I if you for saying the picture I sent you
the other day giving a thumbs up. Look like Brian
Coberger's picture.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That was great. It's just like anytime I see somebody
do that, now, I'm gonna be like, yeah, that's that's
totally weird. So so he said, so this is what happens.
He said that she passed out and at all topsy.
There's very specific things that you see at the autopsy
when somebody who is manually strangled. You can see marks
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on the neck sometimes but you don't have to. But
the real clue is when you dissect out that when
you remove the sin or reflect the skin from the
neck area, you could see the strap muscles. And if
you go through all these muscles that are surrounding your
neck layer by layer, you could see hemorrhage in there,
and like you can get hemorrhage in your strap muscles
like in a car accident or something like that. But
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like there, it also will show fractures of the thyroid
cartilage and of the hyoid bone. Like these injuries can
be seen in like a high impact car accident. But
other than that, the only time these specific injuries are
seen is when a person strangles somebody to death with
their bare hands. It's very it's very specific, so like
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you could say whatever you want, but that's that's how
he he killed her. I wonder how he killed the
other people. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just really can't get over them allowing an unsupervised
visit with a violent offender.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I just don't you know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
How we have talked about before, maybe not even on
mother knows Death, but before when we've talked a lot
about like the psycholog the psychological component of being in jail,
and they're saying like, most of the time when pedophiles,
for example, go to jail, like they don't get rehabilitated.
It ends up like making their infatuation worse when they're
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locked up and detained and can't access it. And I
feel like it's kind of the same way, like if
you're in jail for killing four people. I don't think
all of a sudden, going to jail for thirty years
is going to make you be like, oh, I'm a
better person now. Some people, yes, it could happen, but
and like why did he kill her after all this time?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think the four people is what's really thrown us.
I think that there could be redemption in some cases,
but I don't know, like four people. Four people's like
a lot of people to kill. It's just a lot anyway,
use like like it's just you know you when you
do that act, unless you kill them all at the
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same time, like if you blew something up. But when
you do that act and you go home and you
reflect on something and you think about it, like if
you're not having these feelings of like, oh my god,
that was the worst thing I ever did, and in fact,
you're having like exhilarated feelings of like like I could
do that again and then again and then again. I
don't trust you, Sorry, dude.
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Speaker 1 (21:27):
So this next case, Paul actually sent me this doctor
Paul Kunars. I've interviewed him on here before and he's amazing.
He's at Hexton Colt on Instagram, so check him out.
But he's one of my good friends and he sent
me this and was like did you see this?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
This is unbelievable and it just like one of those
stories is just kept having, like more layers and layers
and layers, is you keep researching it. So a couple
of years ago, this woman was working at a doctor's office.
She went to use a drink dispenser, you know those
like gross ones that have the hot and cold with
the totally impractical like triangular cups. Yes, she isn't one
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of those, and then she notices that the water tastes weird,
so she stopped using it. She ended up buying her
own water bottle that she brought to work, and then
she leaves it on her desk. One day, she already
drank half of it, leaves the desk unattended for a while,
comes back, and it tastes the same as the water dispenser.
So she's like, this is weird. So she then buys
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another water bottle and brings it back to work. I
guess at some point during the day she emptied it
and a coworker asked if she wanted to put some
coffee in her cup, and then when she opened the
lid to the cup there was pea inside of it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That's so nasty. It's so great. And so they're at
a doctor's office and they think it's there's yellow fluid,
which they think is pe I mean, like, come on,
if you have p in a CP, regardless if it's
not in the typical situation, it has a certain smell,
it has a certain look. So they were at a
doctor's office, working at a doctor's office. So they gave
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it to one of the physicians, and sure enough, it
turned out to be urine. They had a test I'm
assuming they, you know, doctor's offices have like these urine dipsticks.
It was probably that, and things lit up on there
that wouldn't happen if it was just apple juice or
something like that, Like you wouldn't see evidence of white
blood cells or red blood cells or anything like that
protein in certain things. So if they confirmed that it
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was urine, right, So now it's like, well where is
this coming from?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, so this lady they don't have security cameras at
this doctor's office, which I don't think is weird. Like
most of I would say most probably don't write, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I feel like everybody should have it at this point,
Like can't you can't you just like get stuff on
Amazon or like home depot for pretty cheap. Just it's
it's just like kind of easy to set this stuff
up anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well that's what this lady did. She ended up buying
a camera herself for her work station. So she sets
it up, and they said, within a very short period
of time, she gets this alert that there's motion at
her desk, and she sees this janitor who's worked at
this doctor's office for twenty years go up to her
water bottle stick his penis in it and pee insideed
it and he did it multiple times.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah. So so she calls the police finally and just
is like, hey, this guy, I mean it is it's
definitely like a police worthy thing because that's that's really terrible.
And the police arrests I guess they come and arrest him,
and then I don't know where he came out with it,
and he told them that he had all of these infections.
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He said that he had hepatitis A, and he said
that he had herpes type one virus. I don't know
why he willingly gave up that information.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, it seems like they tested his blood and urine.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Okay, so that's that's to cat okay. So that's how
they figured that out. And the unfortunate part is that
when they brought this to the women's attention, because obviously,
like if a person has an exposure like that, you're
going to encourage them to get tested because they unknowingly
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ingested god knows what from this guy, and apparently not one,
but multiple women working there had tested positive for herpes
simplex virus type one and hepatitis A. This is just
so repulsive.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's like not only have you now drank another person's
pea against your will, but now you're having problems because
of them.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So I have questions though, of course, because we've talked
about I feel like we talked about this, like a
couple of weeks ago about a guy peeing in a
hot pot. We talk about men peeing in things couple
of times on Mother Knows Death, and I've said multiple times,
like it's really gross, but like you can't really catch
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anything from pay, Like it's not it's kind of highly
unusual to catch stuff from pay.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So so you're thinking maybe they had sex with him.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
No, No, I think I don't think that. I think
that the So the fact that they tested positive for
Herpes simplex virus type one means absolutely nothing to me
because you probably will and I will, and everybody that's
ever had a cold sore like it's just it's it's
like three point eight billion people in the world have
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this virus and it's estimated that fifty to eighty percent
of adults have it. So the chance of them just
having it is just like they just have it. Right,
It doesn't transmit through urine, although like Herpe's virus can
live on a surface. So in theory, like if he
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had open sores or whatever, because you could have type
one on your penis or on your on your mouth.
Right if he drank out of that cup or if
he like wiped his penis with sores on that cup,
then technically, like there would be a possibility that they
could catch it that way. But so, so I don't
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know if there's more to the story with that. But
that's like they didn't get it from P.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But what about the hepatitis.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay, so I'm almost gonna go as far as say
the hepatitis too, Like you don't get hepatitis A from P.
It's the most common transmission is fecal oral Now listen,
like you can catch it from people because people shit
and get it on their hands and don't wipe their
hands good. So if like someone with hepatitis A is
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like preparing food that didn't wash their hands good or like,
there's a possibility that there was a transfer somehow, but
just like peeing in a cup, but it just would
be it would be like less likely. You know, there
is transmission when you have if you have sex with
someone with hepatitis A. So I'm thinking that like that's
(28:12):
a possibility, just because like I don't think that they
had sex with them. I'm just saying that maybe there
was some semen involved at some point or something, because
you don't you don't just get hepatitis A by accident.
And if multiple people at an office have it, that's
concerning because it's not like herpe's type one is whatever,
(28:34):
Like you shared a drink, you could have got it
when you were a kid, whatever, Like hepe's like a
little bit different. So I don't I mean, like, it's
alarming that this guy has it along with three other
women now that work in the same office. It's just weird.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, it's not POSSI I mean, he seems like a
foul person, So like, is it not possible that he
either had fecal matter or like spurm, like some type
of semen on his peaniss when he was dipping it
in the cup.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, Like and if he was dipping it and like
washing it off in the water and stuff like, that's
totally possible. It's just the other thing that's really weird
is like happetitis A is on the vaccine list for
most people, and I'm thinking, like if these people worked
at a doctor's office, I feel like you have to
have all of these vaccines. I don't know, that's just
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that's like when I started working at the hospital, actually
before I started working there, when I was a student
rotating there, they were just like, you're not allowed in
this building to work unless you have all of this stuff.
And in fact, my measles vaccine was like they did
my tighters and I was no longer immune to it
and I had to get it again as an adult.
They're very strict with that. Now when doctor's offices are
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hiring individuals, I don't know if they have to be
that strict with the certain vaccines. But the reason that
they want healthcare workers to have these is because they're
more prone to being exposed to certain kinds of things
that the average person wouldn't be exposed to. So like
you have hepatitis, saying you never worked in healthcare because
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like it's just the thing that that you give, like
it's one of the childhood vaccination scheduled things. So I
don't know that, like all of this combined just sounds
like a little weird to me. I'm not saying that
it's not true. I'm just kind of Like, it's just
it's just very unusual circumstances all together. And I mean,
the guy got arrested. He obviously was peeing and stuff.
(30:30):
I'm just like curious how they got these weird things.
And then it was like it wasn't even one person,
it was multiple people. So was there other things involved?
Like was he putting poop in their food and stuff?
Like there's things like that that I would consider, or
even masturbating or something into their food.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Like, yeah, I would say that's like more likely a
possibility because he said he was doing it on purpose.
He had a quote sickness, and he didn't know how
many times he did it or who many how many
people he did it to, so that's concerning.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But yeah, and he only got caught peeing, like we
don't know what else he did, but I'm there's more
to the story of what else he was doing, just
based on that.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
He also worked there for twenty years, so like, was
this just happening around that time and he was doing
it multiple times a day or have you been doing
it the entire twenty years?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's so gross?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well, how could you ever like if you had worked
there at any point in that time. How could you
ever be comfortable knowing that you were near that? All right,
So this woman and her husband decided to set up
cameras around their house and see if they could record
her sleepwalking after seeing another TikToker do it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, sleepwalking is like an interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, because I'm watching these videos and they're really interesting.
But I'm also like, you could totally fake these videos.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know what I mean? I was thinking that too,
Like if you really I mean, this is the problem
with social media and stuff. It's like you don't really
trust anything anymore. Because I sent Maria a few days
ago this crazy video this girl made that was like,
I'm gonna show you the difference between a real video
and a fake video. And she would be like standing
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in Paris or something, and she'd be like, am I
here or am I not? And like sometimes she was
there and sometimes she was not, and she was showing
like all this stuff, and like there would be a
baguette in her hand and she'd be like is this
AI or not? And then she would just like remove
it from the video, and you're like, holy shit, I
couldn't even tell that was fake. So now when you're
watching social media and stuff. You're just like people, you know,
(32:30):
the kids will show me these videos and stuff and
I'm like, that didn't happen. I'm like, this person just
made this video so it would go viral, and like
this isn't even real. But the sleepwalking is like a
thing and people do it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well. The only reason I like, don't. I mean, they
could very well be making this up. But the only
reason I'm believing it a little more is because Lilian
does it, and she did it recently at my house
when they were staying.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Here, and it scared the shit out of me. Well,
it's more common to a car in children than adults,
but adults do it, and especially it has become more
like known throughout the I don't know, the past twenty
or thirty years or whenever these drugs came out, like
all these ambient type drugs and stuff like that, they're
known to make people sleepwalk. And there's there's stories of
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people like getting in their car and driving on this
stuff and doing really weird behaviors that they would normally do,
like getting up and start cooking or something, but also
doing other weird things that they wouldn't normally do, like
getting up and peeing in a closet or something like that,
just being like a like confusion. So it's definitely there's
(33:39):
documentation of this happening, for sure. It's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, And this girl the case she was doing, you know,
like I'd never thought about how dangerous it was in
the sense of like you could possibly get in your
car and drive or like even leave your house. But
in this girl's case, she's like putting it. She I
thought it was interesting. In multiple videos she was doing
similar things, Like it seems like in both videos she
(34:05):
put her hair brush in her toaster oven and then
she would make a plate of something. In one of them,
she had put an egg and a bunch of mirrlax
powder on a plate and then put it in the oven,
and she was like talking the little figurines in her
house and riding around on one of.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Her kids scooters. It's it's kind of crazy how the
brain works, right, It's just like that to me, that me,
it just sounds like a bunch of jumbled stuff that
she does throughout the day. That like all is just
you know when you have dreams where you could normally
pick out every piece of it and be like that
was from when I said that, and that's from when
this happened. But then in the dream, it just really
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doesn't make any sense because it's just so or maybe
during the dream it makes a lot of sense. But
then afterwards, if you were going to tell the story
to somebody, they would think that you were absolutely out
of your mind. They'd be like, why would you even
think that was true? It's so outrageous, But when you're sleeping,
it's it's real. And I mean, but think about this,
like if you put a hair brush that's plastic into
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an oven, like that could cause a serious fire. So
that's scary. Like talk about locking people in bedrooms at night.
Maybe her husband needs to start doing that. Well.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I thought it was interesting because they said they have
a mental checklist they go through every night, which is
making sure you know their doors are locked and making
sure they're microwave, toaster oven and their oven are all
either turned off or locked so she can't access them.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
There was this podcaster slash rapper named Joe Buden. Have
you ever heard of them? No, I don't know what
he does or whatever, But this was a few months ago.
He was in his apartment building and he was walking
around naked and trying to get into a woman's apartment
and she saw him on the doorbell camera out front
(35:50):
of his house, out front of her apartment, like trying
to push in the keypad to get into her apartment.
He was like totally naked, and he was saying that
he had like a long documented history of sleepwalking. And
I just never even thought about that, Like, God, what
if you live in an apartment building or like super
close quarters to somebody, And because.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Like let's say he broke in to her house though
by it like in his sleepwalk trans legitimately, like how
is he proving that if he gets arrested in that
case that he has a history of sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, So so there's cases of that. There was a
case back in twenty twenty one where this twin do
you remember this? There were like these twins that were
seventeen years old and the one twin stabbed the other
twin to death and tried to blame it on sleepwalking.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't remember this, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
So so that case they were able they were just like, nah, dude,
you were on your phone like right before the murders happened,
and his phone was actually still on in his pocket,
tracking his steps when he walked to his sister's bedroom
to stabber to death. So they just were like, that's
not what happened.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But you argue you were on your phone when you
were sleepwalking. I'm just it's such a weird thing that
happens to people.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It. Yeah, So there's this phenomenon called homicidal somna ambulism, right,
and that's that's when you it's so it's sleepwalking, but
homicidal tendencies during that. And I found that there's this
organization called the Sleep Forensics Associates and they study sleep
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related disorders and their forensic implications, which is really interesting.
So because obviously like if you're doing stuff like that
like that lady, and most sleepwalkers will say that like
my kid for example, like doesn't remember any of it,
but when I'm interacting with her or Gabiz, we were like,
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she you could tell she's sleeping. It's like this weird
ass like zombie. Look, it's so freaking weird. But like
you're like, you know, they come in and she comes
in and it wakes you up, and then you start
talking to her and all of a sudden, you like
look in her eyes and you're like, yeah, no one's
home right now, Like she's sleeping right. So but if
you get into a trance almost like that then and
(38:14):
you're doing things like sticking a hairbrush in a toaster
of it and all this, well, like how do you
know if you're killing someone too?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, That's what I'm saying. And it's just such a
weird thing that happens, and like how do you really
do studies on it?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So apparently there's a show on the Oxygen Network, it
was on a few months back called Sleeping with Death
and it talks about case It talks about that institute,
it talks about cases like this. I'm interested to watch it.
I don't know if you could stream it now if
it's still I'm assuming you can though, cause it's it's
a really interesting subject.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, it does sound really cool. All right, let's wrap
up with this next story about this woman who was
the daughter of a nine to eleven victim. She was
scrolling through Facebook and was surprised when she got a
targeted ad for a shirt showing Garfield flying headfirst into
two towers made of lasagna.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, this is fucked up. I mean, this is the
thing right, how the algorithm works for everything. That's always
gonna say. Yeah, like, she's probably like looking up a
lot of nine to eleven stuff like her entire life
because her family was a victim of it and this
has been her life and unfortunately the algorithm picked this
(39:25):
up and showed it to her. And I'm I never
really thought about it until reading this today that there's
probably a lot of victims of terrible accidents and victims
of homicide that go through similar things like this of
content being popped up because of the algorithm. That's something
that they don't want to see that might be triggering
(39:47):
like that.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, because I think in this particular story, they're trying
to blame Etsy for allowing this listing, but like they
have an entire true crime marketplace on there, so it's
like where do you draw the line based exactly this
is exactly what we were talking about about, like old
people having babies and people that don't make enough money
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having babies and stuff. It's just like like anything and
and and like listen, I've had this argument with people
on Instagram all the time, like anything can be triggering
to someone.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I see this shirt and I look at it and
I'm like, I don't. I don't get the joke. Like
I get what they're trying to do with the joke,
but I'm like, I don't understand what nine to eleven
has to do with Garfield. It's just it's it's just
like it's hacky, stupid joke.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's also like a trend that people it's It's not
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying I've seen
it where it's a trend of people taking miscellaneous objects
and making them look like the nine to eleven crash.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
But why I I don't. I don't like I but
like it's just I have no connection to nine to
eleven and I look at it and I'm just like, yeah,
you don't go there with that. Like that's like a
you don't go there with that.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
My greater problem with this is obviously the T shirt
design is a problem, but like Meta really needs to
get the recommendations under control. For example, like I've talked
about this a million times on here by this point,
like every single day when I go on Instagram and Facebook,
it is feeding the ads for mesothelia, and like it's
(41:23):
because I wrote an article about asbesos. But let's say
I really was diagnosed with that. I go on Instagram
to see pictures of like fashion and other podcasts I
listen to.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And houses like escape. Did you see the house that
from Zillago and mild that I posted in my story
this week?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh with the blood sweatter.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, it's like an old school bathroom like mine, like
a pink tile bathroom, and they put blood spatter all
over the bathroom as if someone was murdered. But it's
paint in the bathroom. It's outrageous. Go ahead, yeah, but
you know that's what you want to see though when
you go online.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Like yeah, like why are they giving you ads for
things like this? And even though they could, I know,
they could defend themselves being like well we just ran
an ad for Etsy and that's what come up. It's like, nor,
your system is way more sophisticated than that, and you
know it.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh it is. Yeah, Like that ad wouldn't come up.
I mean it might now because we're talking about it
and my phone is sitting by us, so it might
come up. But like I don't really search about nine
to eleven stuff, so like that stuff's not going to
come up. And the thing is with that sea though.
It's like, and this, this is the argument that I
have with some people with Instagram because some people will
say talking about a miscarriage is triggering. People have this
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thing about talking about trigger you need to put a
trigger warning on this post. And I'm like, something is
triggering to every person for everything. Like when I see
this stupid shirt for sale on Etsy, it doesn't trigger me.
It just makes me look at this is stupid, like
can't you come up with a better joke whatever, But
it doesn't. It doesn't upset me and put me down
a rabbit hole because like I said, I have no
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connection to nine to eleven. But like other people, do
different things trigger different people. Like I said, I scared
the death of ET. I don't want to see a
freaking et picture if I'm searching through Etsy and I
see it, like okay, you should put a trigger warning
on that, Like it's I just don't like it. Like
anything triggers people differently, so you can't. And like you
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were saying with the true crime the true crime stuff,
it's like you sell they sell t shirts with like
crime scene outlines and crime scene tape. Well, somebody could
see that tape and get triggered by it because their
father was murdered and they remember seeing that out front
of their house. Like anything could trigger anyone. So I
think it's I think it's tacky, but like, what are
(43:40):
you gonna do? No, it's tacky, But I think like
the problem I'm taking out of this story is with
Meta's recommendations, because it like seriously is getting out of control.
Oh it is. I mean we see it all the time,
and now it's like, I don't know. Me and Gabe
we're talking about some sneakers the other day for Lilian
and then that company started coming up on his algorithm,
(44:03):
you know, like it's just he's like, yeah, I really
need these like women sneakers in my feed. Now it's
just and don't like they lie to you and tell
you that that's not happening. It's just it's more bizarre
that you see it across Like I go on Instagram,
I see it. I go on X I see it.
I go on Facebook, I see it. I go like,
I go on Google, I see it. It's just like
all across all apps.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
It just feels like such a violation of like your
privacy that you're just having a conversation in your house
and then all of a sudden there's like a targeted
ad for what you were just talking about by yourself.
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
To Questions of the Day. Every Friday at the app
Mother Knows Death Instagram account, you guys could head over
to our story and ask us whatever you want first.
I struggle with learning, but I really want to do
something in the medical field. Any advice, I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Could do something that's maybe in like a lesser education,
like a certificate program kind of, because they're not always
as intense, although I hear even I remember when I
was taking classes when I was a teenager for like
phlebotomy and stuff. If you're not open to learning about
even the lowest job that you could get in the
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medical field, like doing phlebotomy or something like that, I'm
not sure that you could really do anything like that
because even with that, you need to learn a lot
of different things about the different tubes of blood that
you're using and the chemicals that are in each one,
and the reasons why. Like this is something that most
(45:41):
people don't know, but they're when you get your blood
taken and you know you see all those tubes that
are like one's purple and one's red and one's yellow.
There's a certain order that they have to do it
in because of the chemicals possibly mixing, and you know,
there's just a certain order that they have to draw
them in. And you need to know why you're going
to do this one before this one because the purple
(46:03):
top tube has an anticoagulant in it versus the red
top dozen things like that, So you need to learn
all that stuff, and then you need to learn anatomy
because you could hurt somebody when you're you say, taking
blood is a simple thing, but you could really hurt somebody.
So that would be the first kind of job that
you could really would be taking care of patients. And
(46:25):
it's the same thing with like a certified like a
CNA or something like. There's all these certificate programs that
you could do that you don't need college education for.
But those types of jobs too, they have a lot
of responsibility because oftentimes you are the person that's like
taking care of a patient that might be having a
severe issue that you need to be able to recognize
(46:45):
and go alert the nurse and stuff. So the only
recommendation I would have if you aren't interested in learning
about that kind of stuff. More technical stuff is that
you could get a job. For example, there was a
couple jobs in the lab you could get with just
you don't need a college degree. You could do a
high school education and you could work as like a transcriptionist,
(47:08):
or you could work in coding or something like that.
There's a couple members in the gross room that say
that they work in coding, and they have really interesting stories.
So get to you get to kind of like hear like, oh,
this guy came into the hospital with this thing stuck
in his butt. But you don't really have to take
care of them or know anything about it. You're just
entering codes in the computer and helping with billing and
(47:30):
stuff like that. So that might be something that you're
interested in, all right too.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Have you ever testified as a forensic expert?
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Nope, and I never will because that's not my job
as a PA. Maybe certain pas that work at the
Medical Examiner's office might get called to testify, but I
don't think so. I think that that would be strictly
for the medical examiner to do because ultimately they're the
physician that signs off on the cases.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
All right, last, is that your natural hair color? Or
do you dye it?
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I haven't dyed my hair since, like I was, I
don't even know. I'm trying to think right now.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I haven't dyed my hair since my wedding, which I
shouldn't even have done, but I did because of getting
doing the extensions and stuff. But it is like I
have a lot of gray hair, and I have since
I was a teenager, and like it is unbelievable the
amount of people that pointed out, like who cares?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
It's so weird to me. I think I haven't dyed
my hair. I definitely haven't dyed my hair since I've
had the kids, and it was probably year, Like I
know who did it, and I haven't even seen that
person in year, so I'm thinking it was at least
it was like fifteen eighteen years ago. I haven't dyed
my hair. Yeah, and same, I don't like my mom,
(48:52):
like went through such hell to get her because she
would dye her hair like a burgundy kind of color,
and and then she she started getting so gray and
white that like she had this white stripe every single
couple days when her dye would grow out, and it
was such hell for her to grow out her gray
hair because she was finally like, you know what, I'm
(49:14):
just gonna rock gray hair like I'm in my sixties whatever.
And it took years for her to really like do that.
And I was just kind of like, I'm going gry down.
I just gonna like let it go and see how
it goes.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, that's how I feel too. I'm like, I just
don't think it's that big of a deal. I guess
it's hard if people watch.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Like the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I guess if you look at us, it doesn't look
like we have any gray hair, but like, no, I
have a lot in person. So but I just think
it's so funny when people go out of their way like.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Oh, you have grays.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I'm like, yeah, I've had grays since I was like,
I don't know, sixteen years old. I started getting them.
It's not like there was a lot, but like, what's
it matter. It's just such a stupid thing to care
about it.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Really, And I some woman that I know said to
me once, She's like, oh, I see you have some
gray hair or something, and I was like, yeah, whatever,
I'm just gonna like let it, like come out and whatever,
like I'll just rock it. Sometimes I see ladies that
have these like really good gray hair, and I'm like,
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that looks good, Like, you know, I'll probably be one
of the ones that have like that ugly gray hair.
But whatever. Anyway, so she said to me like, oh,
I wish I could do that. My husband would never
talk to me again if I didn't dye my hair.
And I'm like, really, that's so weird. So I said
to Gabe, like, do you care that I do you?
(50:40):
And He's just like, I don't know. I never even
thought about it, Like I don't look at you, you
know how like guys are, so yeah, He's just like like,
just look how you on. I don't really care, right,
I don't like especially when I used to dye my hair.
I used to dye my hair black for like ten
years probably, and it was a lot of maintenance because
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my hair is this color and doing the black it
doesn't seem like it's much of a contrast, but it is.
When your roots grow in, you could just see it.
So I constantly, like every two weeks, was always doing
my roots, and it was a lot of maintenance. And
I can't even imagine now having the gray that how
much more striking that would be. And I just hate
the way that that looks with the gray stripe growing
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and with the dyed hair on the end, So I'd
rather just it be like this.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about an Amazon lawsuit involving the death
of a child, a murderer who strangled his wife to
(00:30):
death during a conjugal visit, catching a sexually transmitted infection
from a water bottle, and tasteless merchandise being sold on Etsy.
All that plus a lot more good stuff to talk
about today, Let's get started with this Amazon lawsuit, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So back in twenty twenty three, this couple and their
three year old twins went to take a nap, and
beforehand they made sure all the doors were locked, including
these sliding glass doors that went into their backyard. So
while the parents were asleep, the kids woke up and
started wandering around the house, got out the sliding door
somehow and ended up in the pool, and both of
them were found unconscious.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I like, listen, since we're talking about me being super
judgmental on the last episode, just gotta go out there
and say it, like you just you just like cannot
have toddlers walking around the house by themselves. Ever, Like,
even if the door's locked. Ever, it's just a terrible idea. Yeah,
there should never be two adults because when you're sleeping,
(01:33):
it's essentially like no one's home. You just cannot do that.
But what do you do at nighttime?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Though, like when everybody's going to bed. I know this
is a nap, but like, I think the problem is
there wasn't like double security in this case, not that
all the people in the house were sleeping, because you
can't avoid that, like somebody can't be on night watch.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I don't know. I just think that at nighttime there's
just a less probability of that happening Number one on
just because they're in a deeper sleep. If you know
that the kids are going to be getting up and
going around, I mean, you could do things to stop that,
like lock their door. There's no if they are three
(02:14):
year old, they and they're in their bedroom and they're safe.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with locking the
outside of their door so they don't get out if
they don't need to get out, because why like why
would they need to get out? Do they even are
they using the bathroom and stuff by themselves at that point?
I guess, so maybe I don't know, well I do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think it is responsible. Like I have a I
have friends with a kid around this age, and they
lock the door when the kids sleep in and stuff
like when he goes to bed and he's in the
room for nap time, like he's locked in the room
from the outside, like he can't open the door himself.
But like you have to think of the safety risk,
like he could get out, he could fall down the steps.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like, yeah, I don't I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think that that because even if you think, like
if something happens to you and you die in your
sleep or whatever happens, like it doesn't matter. The kid'll
be safe in that room if that room's one hundred
percent baby proof. I just don't like the idea of
I mean, like, to me, I'm thinking these parents had
(03:18):
these sliding doors that they were making sure were locked
because they knew the kids could get out them. They've
done it before. It's not like they just thought of that, right,
they were just like, oh, let's make sure the back
door is locked so the kid doesn't get out of
the house. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So this story just it just gets worse because the
mom discovered them unconscious in the pool. The dad ended
up calling nine one one, and one of the kids survived,
but the other ended up drowning, which is just absolutely horrible.
It seems like they placed a chair against the glass
and the lock failed on the door, which caused it
to unlatch. So now they're suing Amazon for selling them
(03:57):
a quote defectively designed sliding door lock.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't agree with this.
I think it's a terrible tragedy. I think, like I
can't even imagine losing a child, and they're incredibly lucky
that the other one survived, incredibly lucky. I mean, they
almost lost their three year old twins, and I you know, listen,
like I'm a parent and I've done dumb shit before.
(04:22):
My kids have gotten hurt, Like one of my kids
picked up a hot uh crawling iron once, Like like
this happens when you're a kid, when you're a parent,
You're tired, you're overwhelmed. I can't even imagine what it's
like having two three year olds at one time. I
would like not be okay with that. So you know,
you're tired, you're overwhelmed, you want to take a nap
or whatever. But like things happen, and like this is
(04:45):
just one hundred percent of parent problem. I I don't
even see how Amazon, Like let's say Amazon selling a product,
Why is Amazon getting sued? What's why? Like, if anything,
you might want to sue a manufacturer of the product,
but what does that have to do with Amazon. They're
just distributing it, right.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Like Amazon's effectively just the marketplace. And I guess in
some sense you could try to hold them responsible for
not vetting their vendors.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But as we know, like.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
One of our first external exams with a New York firefighter,
and he was explaining that you should only be buying
like plugs and certain things with the UL warning on it, right,
and that a lot of these manufacturers that sell on
Amazon print fake labels, so like how do they know
what's credible and what's not? And I don't really think
(05:35):
they're vetting people like that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, And I just heard about this too with the
vitamin supplements and stuff. There has listen, Like, you can't
just sue everybody for everything's people. There has to be
personal responsibility for some things in life. Like there's there's
things that are negligent, and then there's things that are this,
like if they have so they have videos inside the
(05:58):
house and stuff, and they showed the video of the
kids going up to the door and getting on a
chair and opening the door. Like these kids are three
years old, right, Like did they talk to each other
and stuff and made this plan and like or is
this something that they know that they can get on
the chair and open it. I just think like to
(06:20):
have two little brains like that together, it's just like
an interesting situation to think like how they both came
together to get out of the house, like like this
was the first time. But whatever, kids are smart and
they figure stuff out.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I think I think the greater concern here is I
think that when people are faced with tragedy, they're looking
for somebody to blame. And that's where the Amazon lawsuit
comes in. But I think the greater problem here is that,
like they did the right thing in making sure the
door was locked, but they didn't really have like secondary
preventative measures, which you need with children a lot of times.
(06:58):
All Right, So in West Virginia, the three month old
babies with her dad, and when the mom gets her
after their custody exchange, she sees that this baby is
covered in bruises. So she brings a baby to the
hospital and finds that she has all these horrific injuries
because the dad later admitted to quote squeezing the baby
because he was trying to quote relieve it of built
up feces.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, and they were like, yeah, that did happen. So
this kid goes to the hospital and this is what
I was talking about maybe in the last episode. It
just about like the horrible things that some doctors and
nurses have to deal with. They get this baby brought
into the hospital and they had to do emergency surgery.
The kid had bruising, an a laceration of the esophagus
(07:43):
as well as a new methorax, which is air inside
the chest cavity. So they had to do this emergency
surgery in order to repair the laceration and to take
care of the new mathorax. And like imagine being a
doctor and a nurse just looking at a baby with
these injuries and just being like, Okay, what happened? How
(08:05):
did this happen? Because you don't just spontaneously have those
things happen. And then you think about like like a
tearing the esophagus like that, like that's what happened. Like,
the guy squeezed the kid so freaking hard that it
ripped the esophagus, which is kind of underlying the breastbone.
There the the sternum, and you think, like, just a
(08:27):
three month old baby, how's this happen? And just imagine
like looking at this little baby and thinking that somebody
intentionally harmed them, and you know, they go and interview
the dad and it's like, first he denied it, and
then he said that he was helping the baby poop,
which is like, if you were helping the baby poop,
why was the injury all the way up at her
chest exactly? And then then the real story came out,
(08:50):
which was he was he was stressed out about work,
and then he came home and his girlfriend like god
on his case, and who's not the baby's mother, it's
just another girlfriend, which is like, okay, this kid's three
months old and there's already another girlfriend in the picture.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Whatever, But he squeeze with his ex wife and his
current girlfriend, so there had been an established history between them.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's cute. So so yeah, he decided to squeeze the
baby to take out his frustration, like she was a
human stress ball or something, and like think about like
a big man's hands like squeezing a.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Baby like that. It's so gross. No, it's really disgusting.
And also his like ex wife, current girlfriend, whatever situation,
was a special needs educator AID, so she's like legally
obligated to notify somebody if she sees a child getting
injured and she just witnesses it. She said she noticed
the child's injuries the night before the kid was returned
(09:46):
to her biological mom and just didn't say anything about
it at all.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, Like is she in trouble?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, so like not reporting or whatever. Yeah, so she
is because of her job and like being in And
she's been charged with gross child neglect resulting in serious
bodily injury of an infant. And then the dad has
been charged with one count of child abused by a parent,
guardian or custodian and one count of strangulation, suffocation and asphyxiation.
(10:16):
How horrible is this?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's a baby. So the girl this isn't the ex
wife that that was the special needs educator. She was
just picking the kid up from the custody for the
custody swap, right, this was the girlfriend you're talking about the.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Girlfriend is the special needs educator.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah she lives that she lives with him currently.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I don't think yeah so she It just this story
is written weird because this this this educator aid is
the ex wife and current girlfriend of this man. And
then they're referring to the child's mother as the biological mother,
and like, we don't know if they ever officially dated.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Wait, he's the she's she? Okay, the special needs educator,
the one currently living with him is his ex wife
and current girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, they were married at some point, they got divorced
and now they are in a relationship again.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay. And then so then the baby's mama is like
not is not a.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Totally separate person that doesn't live in the home.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, So they were probably married and then he knocked
up someone else and then they got divorced and now
they're back together again, and this baby mama is like
on the side. It's like a it's like the episode
of like Choe Kardashian Chloe Kardashian Tristan situation, Like it's
just like this random baby out of wella Okay, so
(11:45):
that's literally exactly what it's like. Okay, so you are
Wow that that's like crazy. So yeah, like, like we
were saying last episode, not an ideal situation, have a
baby in right, But this is what happens in these
not ideas situation sometimes. So so he's taken his frustration
(12:05):
out on this baby. Now this this, this story is
just like really interesting. So this guy and his wife
now have custody of this child that's a love child,
and the.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're assuming it's a love child.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, there are a lot of people believe in it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I mean mostly celebrities of the youth that like get
divorced and then they end up getting back together like
years later. So we don't know the exact timeline, but
we can assume.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So we can assume. So we can assume that the
wife was babysitting the love child while the guy was
at work, which wouldn't make any woman happy. He comes
home from work and he's stressed from work, and then
she gets on his ass because she's been taking care
of a baby all day that's not hers, and they
(12:54):
get into a fight, and then the guy decides to
go up to the baby, who he said was not
crying or anything, and decided to take his frustration out
on the baby, like he should get way more than
one count of child abuse for this and one count
of asphyxiation like hold do some time, but not like
a ton honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, yeah, and this is all.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
This is all your assumption of what went down to.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
That sounds like a good story, but I would I
don't know why if the kid was in like such
bad condition, why this could Why couldn't this be considered
like attempted murder or something. If the child was in
such bad condition and he said she was innocently just
sitting there and he had assaulted her.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It should be. But maybe that's I don't know. You know,
we always have questions about this, and I actually have
no interest in law stuff, Like.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I'm interested in law, but I get tiri I when
I get mad.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So I don't think if you could in the court room,
you would cry it every like every time someone asked
you a question. You would cry.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
When I'm animated, my eyes just get like teary by default.
I'm not even like upset half the time.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But I don't need people.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Why is that lawyer crying in every single meeting?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
All right?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, So this sixty two year old woman went to
a California prison to have an overnight conjugal visit with
her convicted murderer husband, and surprise, he killed her. I
didn't even so, again, this is like a subject I
don't know anything about, is conjugal visits. I didn't realize
they were overnight, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I didn't realize that either things. And I mean, if
they allow it. So they're saying like, there's all this
criteria to be allowed to have it, Like it's not,
everyone's right. There's all days they have to apply for
it and meet strict eligibility criteria, have good behavior, it's
all family has to get interviewed.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's also only permitted in California, Connecticut, New York, and
Washington and not in federal prisons.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So so, but wait, he's not in a federal prison
for doing all that time. I guess he's in jail
for killing four people. I don't know, maybe maybe not.
I just I don't really know how that works. But regardless,
he's he killed four people, and this woman and this
(15:17):
was in nineteen ninety three, she's been like standing by
his side this whole time and going and visiting and stuff.
And he told the guards that she passed out or something,
and they did the autopsy and they were like, nah,
the manner of death is homicide and she has she
was manually strangled.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I just can't imagine you're allowed to have a conjugal,
unsupervised visit with a violent offender like that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well you, I mean you can. I guess if he's
been in jail since nineteen ninety three, there're two years.
That's a long time, like he if he was very
good in jail and doing the right thing, like he
could have been eligible for it, I guess. And they
say like that they the family has to present them
time themselves to the guards, like four times within twenty
(16:04):
four hours, but they can. They have the right to
do unscheduled checks whenever they want. But they were saying
like they try to ensure the privacy of the inmates
and their visitors during their visit, like they don't really
want to walk in on people like having sex or
doing whatever they're doing. But I don't know, this just
(16:25):
sounds so it sounds so off to me, And I
feel like, are the officers going to get in some
kind of trouble for this or is it just like Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I just I don't really know, because it's like you're
saying that he had to apply and get approved to
do this, so like who is it that that person's
fault who approved him? Like, I just think if you're
in prison for life without the possibility of parole because
you killed four people, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to
have unsupervised visits with people. I don't know, I just
(16:56):
feel like something. I feel like that can't really prove
it's for people. It's not like he killed one person,
like you clearly have a pattern of violence.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, exactly. It's not like it's not like, oh, you
were drunk and you punch someone at the bar when
you were twenty, like like Brian Coberger potentially killed four people.
You're gonna let that dude have conjugal visits? Come on,
well serious, it's it's not you. It's serious. Like he's
he's gonna be like the mac Daddy when he goes
(17:27):
to prison. He's got all these people that are like,
I'm serious, He's he's gonna have visitors like lined up
around the block for him. And are they gonna are
they gonna like allow that? That's it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I if you for saying the picture I sent you
the other day giving a thumbs up. Look like Brian
Coberger's picture.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That was great. It's just like anytime I see somebody
do that, now, I'm gonna be like, yeah, that's that's
totally weird. So so he said, so this is what happens.
He said that she passed out and at all topsy.
There's very specific things that you see at the autopsy
when somebody who is manually strangled. You can see marks
(18:08):
on the neck sometimes but you don't have to. But
the real clue is when you dissect out that when
you remove the sin or reflect the skin from the
neck area, you could see the strap muscles. And if
you go through all these muscles that are surrounding your
neck layer by layer, you could see hemorrhage in there,
and like you can get hemorrhage in your strap muscles
like in a car accident or something like that. But
(18:30):
like there, it also will show fractures of the thyroid
cartilage and of the hyoid bone. Like these injuries can
be seen in like a high impact car accident. But
other than that, the only time these specific injuries are
seen is when a person strangles somebody to death with
their bare hands. It's very it's very specific, so like
(18:52):
you could say whatever you want, but that's that's how
he he killed her. I wonder how he killed the
other people. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just really can't get over them allowing an unsupervised
visit with a violent offender.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I just don't you know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
How we have talked about before, maybe not even on
mother knows Death, but before when we've talked a lot
about like the psycholog the psychological component of being in jail,
and they're saying like, most of the time when pedophiles,
for example, go to jail, like they don't get rehabilitated.
It ends up like making their infatuation worse when they're
(19:26):
locked up and detained and can't access it. And I
feel like it's kind of the same way, like if
you're in jail for killing four people. I don't think
all of a sudden, going to jail for thirty years
is going to make you be like, oh, I'm a
better person now. Some people, yes, it could happen, but
and like why did he kill her after all this time?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think the four people is what's really thrown us.
I think that there could be redemption in some cases,
but I don't know, like four people. Four people's like
a lot of people to kill. It's just a lot anyway,
use like like it's just you know you when you
do that act, unless you kill them all at the
(20:06):
same time, like if you blew something up. But when
you do that act and you go home and you
reflect on something and you think about it, like if
you're not having these feelings of like, oh my god,
that was the worst thing I ever did, and in fact,
you're having like exhilarated feelings of like like I could
do that again and then again and then again. I
don't trust you, Sorry, dude.
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Speaker 1 (21:27):
So this next case, Paul actually sent me this doctor
Paul Kunars. I've interviewed him on here before and he's amazing.
He's at Hexton Colt on Instagram, so check him out.
But he's one of my good friends and he sent
me this and was like did you see this?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
This is unbelievable and it just like one of those
stories is just kept having, like more layers and layers
and layers, is you keep researching it. So a couple
of years ago, this woman was working at a doctor's office.
She went to use a drink dispenser, you know those
like gross ones that have the hot and cold with
the totally impractical like triangular cups. Yes, she isn't one
(22:04):
of those, and then she notices that the water tastes weird,
so she stopped using it. She ended up buying her
own water bottle that she brought to work, and then
she leaves it on her desk. One day, she already
drank half of it, leaves the desk unattended for a while,
comes back, and it tastes the same as the water dispenser.
So she's like, this is weird. So she then buys
(22:25):
another water bottle and brings it back to work. I
guess at some point during the day she emptied it
and a coworker asked if she wanted to put some
coffee in her cup, and then when she opened the
lid to the cup there was pea inside of it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That's so nasty. It's so great. And so they're at
a doctor's office and they think it's there's yellow fluid,
which they think is pe I mean, like, come on,
if you have p in a CP, regardless if it's
not in the typical situation, it has a certain smell,
it has a certain look. So they were at a
doctor's office, working at a doctor's office. So they gave
(23:00):
it to one of the physicians, and sure enough, it
turned out to be urine. They had a test I'm
assuming they, you know, doctor's offices have like these urine dipsticks.
It was probably that, and things lit up on there
that wouldn't happen if it was just apple juice or
something like that, Like you wouldn't see evidence of white
blood cells or red blood cells or anything like that
protein in certain things. So if they confirmed that it
(23:25):
was urine, right, So now it's like, well where is
this coming from?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, so this lady they don't have security cameras at
this doctor's office, which I don't think is weird. Like
most of I would say most probably don't write, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I feel like everybody should have it at this point,
Like can't you can't you just like get stuff on
Amazon or like home depot for pretty cheap. Just it's
it's just like kind of easy to set this stuff
up anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well that's what this lady did. She ended up buying
a camera herself for her work station. So she sets
it up, and they said, within a very short period
of time, she gets this alert that there's motion at
her desk, and she sees this janitor who's worked at
this doctor's office for twenty years go up to her
water bottle stick his penis in it and pee insideed
it and he did it multiple times.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah. So so she calls the police finally and just
is like, hey, this guy, I mean it is it's
definitely like a police worthy thing because that's that's really terrible.
And the police arrests I guess they come and arrest him,
and then I don't know where he came out with it,
and he told them that he had all of these infections.
(24:42):
He said that he had hepatitis A, and he said
that he had herpes type one virus. I don't know
why he willingly gave up that information.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, it seems like they tested his blood and urine.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Okay, so that's that's to cat okay. So that's how
they figured that out. And the unfortunate part is that
when they brought this to the women's attention, because obviously,
like if a person has an exposure like that, you're
going to encourage them to get tested because they unknowingly
(25:19):
ingested god knows what from this guy, and apparently not one,
but multiple women working there had tested positive for herpes
simplex virus type one and hepatitis A. This is just
so repulsive.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's like not only have you now drank another person's
pea against your will, but now you're having problems because
of them.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So I have questions though, of course, because we've talked
about I feel like we talked about this, like a
couple of weeks ago about a guy peeing in a
hot pot. We talk about men peeing in things couple
of times on Mother Knows Death, and I've said multiple times,
like it's really gross, but like you can't really catch
(26:06):
anything from pay, Like it's not it's kind of highly
unusual to catch stuff from pay.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So so you're thinking maybe they had sex with him.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
No, No, I think I don't think that. I think
that the So the fact that they tested positive for
Herpes simplex virus type one means absolutely nothing to me
because you probably will and I will, and everybody that's
ever had a cold sore like it's just it's it's
like three point eight billion people in the world have
(26:37):
this virus and it's estimated that fifty to eighty percent
of adults have it. So the chance of them just
having it is just like they just have it. Right,
It doesn't transmit through urine, although like Herpe's virus can
live on a surface. So in theory, like if he
(26:59):
had open sores or whatever, because you could have type
one on your penis or on your on your mouth.
Right if he drank out of that cup or if
he like wiped his penis with sores on that cup,
then technically, like there would be a possibility that they
could catch it that way. But so, so I don't
(27:20):
know if there's more to the story with that. But
that's like they didn't get it from P.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But what about the hepatitis.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay, so I'm almost gonna go as far as say
the hepatitis too, Like you don't get hepatitis A from P.
It's the most common transmission is fecal oral Now listen,
like you can catch it from people because people shit
and get it on their hands and don't wipe their
hands good. So if like someone with hepatitis A is
(27:48):
like preparing food that didn't wash their hands good or like,
there's a possibility that there was a transfer somehow, but
just like peeing in a cup, but it just would
be it would be like less likely. You know, there
is transmission when you have if you have sex with
someone with hepatitis A. So I'm thinking that like that's
(28:12):
a possibility, just because like I don't think that they
had sex with them. I'm just saying that maybe there
was some semen involved at some point or something, because
you don't you don't just get hepatitis A by accident.
And if multiple people at an office have it, that's
concerning because it's not like herpe's type one is whatever,
(28:34):
Like you shared a drink, you could have got it
when you were a kid, whatever, Like hepe's like a
little bit different. So I don't I mean, like, it's
alarming that this guy has it along with three other
women now that work in the same office. It's just weird.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, it's not POSSI I mean, he seems like a
foul person, So like, is it not possible that he
either had fecal matter or like spurm, like some type
of semen on his peaniss when he was dipping it
in the cup.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, Like and if he was dipping it and like
washing it off in the water and stuff like, that's
totally possible. It's just the other thing that's really weird
is like happetitis A is on the vaccine list for
most people, and I'm thinking, like if these people worked
at a doctor's office, I feel like you have to
have all of these vaccines. I don't know, that's just
(29:24):
that's like when I started working at the hospital, actually
before I started working there, when I was a student
rotating there, they were just like, you're not allowed in
this building to work unless you have all of this stuff.
And in fact, my measles vaccine was like they did
my tighters and I was no longer immune to it
and I had to get it again as an adult.
They're very strict with that. Now when doctor's offices are
(29:47):
hiring individuals, I don't know if they have to be
that strict with the certain vaccines. But the reason that
they want healthcare workers to have these is because they're
more prone to being exposed to certain kinds of things
that the average person wouldn't be exposed to. So like
you have hepatitis, saying you never worked in healthcare because
(30:07):
like it's just the thing that that you give, like
it's one of the childhood vaccination scheduled things. So I
don't know that, like all of this combined just sounds
like a little weird to me. I'm not saying that
it's not true. I'm just kind of Like, it's just
it's just very unusual circumstances all together. And I mean,
the guy got arrested. He obviously was peeing and stuff.
(30:30):
I'm just like curious how they got these weird things.
And then it was like it wasn't even one person,
it was multiple people. So was there other things involved?
Like was he putting poop in their food and stuff?
Like there's things like that that I would consider, or
even masturbating or something into their food.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Like, yeah, I would say that's like more likely a
possibility because he said he was doing it on purpose.
He had a quote sickness, and he didn't know how
many times he did it or who many how many
people he did it to, so that's concerning.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But yeah, and he only got caught peeing, like we
don't know what else he did, but I'm there's more
to the story of what else he was doing, just
based on that.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
He also worked there for twenty years, so like, was
this just happening around that time and he was doing
it multiple times a day or have you been doing
it the entire twenty years?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's so gross?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well, how could you ever like if you had worked
there at any point in that time. How could you
ever be comfortable knowing that you were near that? All right,
So this woman and her husband decided to set up
cameras around their house and see if they could record
her sleepwalking after seeing another TikToker do it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, sleepwalking is like an interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, because I'm watching these videos and they're really interesting.
But I'm also like, you could totally fake these videos.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know what I mean? I was thinking that too,
Like if you really I mean, this is the problem
with social media and stuff. It's like you don't really
trust anything anymore. Because I sent Maria a few days
ago this crazy video this girl made that was like,
I'm gonna show you the difference between a real video
and a fake video. And she would be like standing
(32:08):
in Paris or something, and she'd be like, am I
here or am I not? And like sometimes she was
there and sometimes she was not, and she was showing
like all this stuff, and like there would be a
baguette in her hand and she'd be like is this
AI or not? And then she would just like remove
it from the video, and you're like, holy shit, I
couldn't even tell that was fake. So now when you're
watching social media and stuff. You're just like people, you know,
(32:30):
the kids will show me these videos and stuff and
I'm like, that didn't happen. I'm like, this person just
made this video so it would go viral, and like
this isn't even real. But the sleepwalking is like a
thing and people do it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well. The only reason I like, don't. I mean, they
could very well be making this up. But the only
reason I'm believing it a little more is because Lilian
does it, and she did it recently at my house
when they were staying.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Here, and it scared the shit out of me. Well,
it's more common to a car in children than adults,
but adults do it, and especially it has become more
like known throughout the I don't know, the past twenty
or thirty years or whenever these drugs came out, like
all these ambient type drugs and stuff like that, they're
known to make people sleepwalk. And there's there's stories of
(33:19):
people like getting in their car and driving on this
stuff and doing really weird behaviors that they would normally do,
like getting up and start cooking or something, but also
doing other weird things that they wouldn't normally do, like
getting up and peeing in a closet or something like that,
just being like a like confusion. So it's definitely there's
(33:39):
documentation of this happening, for sure. It's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, And this girl the case she was doing, you know,
like I'd never thought about how dangerous it was in
the sense of like you could possibly get in your
car and drive or like even leave your house. But
in this girl's case, she's like putting it. She I
thought it was interesting. In multiple videos she was doing
similar things, Like it seems like in both videos she
(34:05):
put her hair brush in her toaster oven and then
she would make a plate of something. In one of them,
she had put an egg and a bunch of mirrlax
powder on a plate and then put it in the oven,
and she was like talking the little figurines in her
house and riding around on one of.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Her kids scooters. It's it's kind of crazy how the
brain works, right, It's just like that to me, that me,
it just sounds like a bunch of jumbled stuff that
she does throughout the day. That like all is just
you know when you have dreams where you could normally
pick out every piece of it and be like that
was from when I said that, and that's from when
this happened. But then in the dream, it just really
(34:40):
doesn't make any sense because it's just so or maybe
during the dream it makes a lot of sense. But
then afterwards, if you were going to tell the story
to somebody, they would think that you were absolutely out
of your mind. They'd be like, why would you even
think that was true? It's so outrageous, But when you're sleeping,
it's it's real. And I mean, but think about this,
like if you put a hair brush that's plastic into
(35:03):
an oven, like that could cause a serious fire. So
that's scary. Like talk about locking people in bedrooms at night.
Maybe her husband needs to start doing that. Well.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I thought it was interesting because they said they have
a mental checklist they go through every night, which is
making sure you know their doors are locked and making
sure they're microwave, toaster oven and their oven are all
either turned off or locked so she can't access them.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
There was this podcaster slash rapper named Joe Buden. Have
you ever heard of them? No, I don't know what
he does or whatever, But this was a few months ago.
He was in his apartment building and he was walking
around naked and trying to get into a woman's apartment
and she saw him on the doorbell camera out front
(35:50):
of his house, out front of her apartment, like trying
to push in the keypad to get into her apartment.
He was like totally naked, and he was saying that
he had like a long documented history of sleepwalking. And
I just never even thought about that, Like, God, what
if you live in an apartment building or like super
close quarters to somebody, And because.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Like let's say he broke in to her house though
by it like in his sleepwalk trans legitimately, like how
is he proving that if he gets arrested in that
case that he has a history of sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, So so there's cases of that. There was a
case back in twenty twenty one where this twin do
you remember this? There were like these twins that were
seventeen years old and the one twin stabbed the other
twin to death and tried to blame it on sleepwalking.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't remember this, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
So so that case they were able they were just like, nah, dude,
you were on your phone like right before the murders happened,
and his phone was actually still on in his pocket,
tracking his steps when he walked to his sister's bedroom
to stabber to death. So they just were like, that's
not what happened.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But you argue you were on your phone when you
were sleepwalking. I'm just it's such a weird thing that
happens to people.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It. Yeah, So there's this phenomenon called homicidal somna ambulism, right,
and that's that's when you it's so it's sleepwalking, but
homicidal tendencies during that. And I found that there's this
organization called the Sleep Forensics Associates and they study sleep
(37:29):
related disorders and their forensic implications, which is really interesting.
So because obviously like if you're doing stuff like that
like that lady, and most sleepwalkers will say that like
my kid for example, like doesn't remember any of it,
but when I'm interacting with her or Gabiz, we were like,
(37:50):
she you could tell she's sleeping. It's like this weird
ass like zombie. Look, it's so freaking weird. But like
you're like, you know, they come in and she comes
in and it wakes you up, and then you start
talking to her and all of a sudden, you like
look in her eyes and you're like, yeah, no one's
home right now, Like she's sleeping right. So but if
you get into a trance almost like that then and
(38:14):
you're doing things like sticking a hairbrush in a toaster
of it and all this, well, like how do you
know if you're killing someone too?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, That's what I'm saying. And it's just such a
weird thing that happens, and like how do you really
do studies on it?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So apparently there's a show on the Oxygen Network, it
was on a few months back called Sleeping with Death
and it talks about case It talks about that institute,
it talks about cases like this. I'm interested to watch it.
I don't know if you could stream it now if
it's still I'm assuming you can though, cause it's it's
a really interesting subject.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, it does sound really cool. All right, let's wrap
up with this next story about this woman who was
the daughter of a nine to eleven victim. She was
scrolling through Facebook and was surprised when she got a
targeted ad for a shirt showing Garfield flying headfirst into
two towers made of lasagna.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, this is fucked up. I mean, this is the
thing right, how the algorithm works for everything. That's always
gonna say. Yeah, like, she's probably like looking up a
lot of nine to eleven stuff like her entire life
because her family was a victim of it and this
has been her life and unfortunately the algorithm picked this
(39:25):
up and showed it to her. And I'm I never
really thought about it until reading this today that there's
probably a lot of victims of terrible accidents and victims
of homicide that go through similar things like this of
content being popped up because of the algorithm. That's something
that they don't want to see that might be triggering
(39:47):
like that.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, because I think in this particular story, they're trying
to blame Etsy for allowing this listing, but like they
have an entire true crime marketplace on there, so it's
like where do you draw the line based exactly this
is exactly what we were talking about about, like old
people having babies and people that don't make enough money
(40:10):
having babies and stuff. It's just like like anything and
and and like listen, I've had this argument with people
on Instagram all the time, like anything can be triggering
to someone.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I see this shirt and I look at it and
I'm like, I don't. I don't get the joke. Like
I get what they're trying to do with the joke,
but I'm like, I don't understand what nine to eleven
has to do with Garfield. It's just it's it's just
like it's hacky, stupid joke.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's also like a trend that people it's It's not
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying I've seen
it where it's a trend of people taking miscellaneous objects
and making them look like the nine to eleven crash.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
But why I I don't. I don't like I but
like it's just I have no connection to nine to
eleven and I look at it and I'm just like, yeah,
you don't go there with that. Like that's like a
you don't go there with that.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
My greater problem with this is obviously the T shirt
design is a problem, but like Meta really needs to
get the recommendations under control. For example, like I've talked
about this a million times on here by this point,
like every single day when I go on Instagram and Facebook,
it is feeding the ads for mesothelia, and like it's
(41:23):
because I wrote an article about asbesos. But let's say
I really was diagnosed with that. I go on Instagram
to see pictures of like fashion and other podcasts I
listen to.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And houses like escape. Did you see the house that
from Zillago and mild that I posted in my story
this week?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh with the blood sweatter.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, it's like an old school bathroom like mine, like
a pink tile bathroom, and they put blood spatter all
over the bathroom as if someone was murdered. But it's
paint in the bathroom. It's outrageous. Go ahead, yeah, but
you know that's what you want to see though when
you go online.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Like yeah, like why are they giving you ads for
things like this? And even though they could, I know,
they could defend themselves being like well we just ran
an ad for Etsy and that's what come up. It's like, nor,
your system is way more sophisticated than that, and you
know it.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh it is. Yeah, Like that ad wouldn't come up.
I mean it might now because we're talking about it
and my phone is sitting by us, so it might
come up. But like I don't really search about nine
to eleven stuff, so like that stuff's not going to
come up. And the thing is with that sea though.
It's like, and this, this is the argument that I
have with some people with Instagram because some people will
say talking about a miscarriage is triggering. People have this
(42:35):
thing about talking about trigger you need to put a
trigger warning on this post. And I'm like, something is
triggering to every person for everything. Like when I see
this stupid shirt for sale on Etsy, it doesn't trigger me.
It just makes me look at this is stupid, like
can't you come up with a better joke whatever, But
it doesn't. It doesn't upset me and put me down
a rabbit hole because like I said, I have no
(42:57):
connection to nine to eleven. But like other people, do
different things trigger different people. Like I said, I scared
the death of ET. I don't want to see a
freaking et picture if I'm searching through Etsy and I
see it, like okay, you should put a trigger warning
on that, Like it's I just don't like it. Like
anything triggers people differently, so you can't. And like you
(43:19):
were saying with the true crime the true crime stuff,
it's like you sell they sell t shirts with like
crime scene outlines and crime scene tape. Well, somebody could
see that tape and get triggered by it because their
father was murdered and they remember seeing that out front
of their house. Like anything could trigger anyone. So I
think it's I think it's tacky, but like, what are
(43:40):
you gonna do? No, it's tacky, But I think like
the problem I'm taking out of this story is with
Meta's recommendations, because it like seriously is getting out of control.
Oh it is. I mean we see it all the time,
and now it's like, I don't know. Me and Gabe
we're talking about some sneakers the other day for Lilian
and then that company started coming up on his algorithm,
(44:03):
you know, like it's just he's like, yeah, I really
need these like women sneakers in my feed. Now it's
just and don't like they lie to you and tell
you that that's not happening. It's just it's more bizarre
that you see it across Like I go on Instagram,
I see it. I go on X I see it.
I go on Facebook, I see it. I go like,
I go on Google, I see it. It's just like
all across all apps.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
It just feels like such a violation of like your
privacy that you're just having a conversation in your house
and then all of a sudden there's like a targeted
ad for what you were just talking about by yourself.
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
To Questions of the Day. Every Friday at the app
Mother Knows Death Instagram account, you guys could head over
to our story and ask us whatever you want first.
I struggle with learning, but I really want to do
something in the medical field. Any advice, I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Could do something that's maybe in like a lesser education,
like a certificate program kind of, because they're not always
as intense, although I hear even I remember when I
was taking classes when I was a teenager for like
phlebotomy and stuff. If you're not open to learning about
even the lowest job that you could get in the
(45:21):
medical field, like doing phlebotomy or something like that, I'm
not sure that you could really do anything like that
because even with that, you need to learn a lot
of different things about the different tubes of blood that
you're using and the chemicals that are in each one,
and the reasons why. Like this is something that most
(45:41):
people don't know, but they're when you get your blood
taken and you know you see all those tubes that
are like one's purple and one's red and one's yellow.
There's a certain order that they have to do it
in because of the chemicals possibly mixing, and you know,
there's just a certain order that they have to draw
them in. And you need to know why you're going
to do this one before this one because the purple
(46:03):
top tube has an anticoagulant in it versus the red
top dozen things like that, So you need to learn
all that stuff, and then you need to learn anatomy
because you could hurt somebody when you're you say, taking
blood is a simple thing, but you could really hurt somebody.
So that would be the first kind of job that
you could really would be taking care of patients. And
(46:25):
it's the same thing with like a certified like a
CNA or something like. There's all these certificate programs that
you could do that you don't need college education for.
But those types of jobs too, they have a lot
of responsibility because oftentimes you are the person that's like
taking care of a patient that might be having a
severe issue that you need to be able to recognize
(46:45):
and go alert the nurse and stuff. So the only
recommendation I would have if you aren't interested in learning
about that kind of stuff. More technical stuff is that
you could get a job. For example, there was a
couple jobs in the lab you could get with just
you don't need a college degree. You could do a
high school education and you could work as like a transcriptionist,
(47:08):
or you could work in coding or something like that.
There's a couple members in the gross room that say
that they work in coding, and they have really interesting stories.
So get to you get to kind of like hear like, oh,
this guy came into the hospital with this thing stuck
in his butt. But you don't really have to take
care of them or know anything about it. You're just
entering codes in the computer and helping with billing and
(47:30):
stuff like that. So that might be something that you're
interested in, all right too.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Have you ever testified as a forensic expert?
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Nope, and I never will because that's not my job
as a PA. Maybe certain pas that work at the
Medical Examiner's office might get called to testify, but I
don't think so. I think that that would be strictly
for the medical examiner to do because ultimately they're the
physician that signs off on the cases.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
All right, last, is that your natural hair color? Or
do you dye it?
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I haven't dyed my hair since, like I was, I
don't even know. I'm trying to think right now.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I haven't dyed my hair since my wedding, which I
shouldn't even have done, but I did because of getting
doing the extensions and stuff. But it is like I
have a lot of gray hair, and I have since
I was a teenager, and like it is unbelievable the
amount of people that pointed out, like who cares?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
It's so weird to me. I think I haven't dyed
my hair. I definitely haven't dyed my hair since I've
had the kids, and it was probably year, Like I
know who did it, and I haven't even seen that
person in year, so I'm thinking it was at least
it was like fifteen eighteen years ago. I haven't dyed
my hair. Yeah, and same, I don't like my mom,
(48:52):
like went through such hell to get her because she
would dye her hair like a burgundy kind of color,
and and then she she started getting so gray and
white that like she had this white stripe every single
couple days when her dye would grow out, and it
was such hell for her to grow out her gray
hair because she was finally like, you know what, I'm
(49:14):
just gonna rock gray hair like I'm in my sixties whatever.
And it took years for her to really like do that.
And I was just kind of like, I'm going gry down.
I just gonna like let it go and see how
it goes.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, that's how I feel too. I'm like, I just
don't think it's that big of a deal. I guess
it's hard if people watch.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Like the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I guess if you look at us, it doesn't look
like we have any gray hair, but like, no, I
have a lot in person. So but I just think
it's so funny when people go out of their way like.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Oh, you have grays.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I'm like, yeah, I've had grays since I was like,
I don't know, sixteen years old. I started getting them.
It's not like there was a lot, but like, what's
it matter. It's just such a stupid thing to care
about it.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Really, And I some woman that I know said to
me once, She's like, oh, I see you have some
gray hair or something, and I was like, yeah, whatever,
I'm just gonna like let it, like come out and whatever,
like I'll just rock it. Sometimes I see ladies that
have these like really good gray hair, and I'm like,
(50:20):
that looks good, Like, you know, I'll probably be one
of the ones that have like that ugly gray hair.
But whatever. Anyway, so she said to me like, oh,
I wish I could do that. My husband would never
talk to me again if I didn't dye my hair.
And I'm like, really, that's so weird. So I said
to Gabe, like, do you care that I do you?
(50:40):
And He's just like, I don't know. I never even
thought about it, Like I don't look at you, you
know how like guys are, so yeah, He's just like like,
just look how you on. I don't really care, right,
I don't like especially when I used to dye my hair.
I used to dye my hair black for like ten
years probably, and it was a lot of maintenance because
(51:03):
my hair is this color and doing the black it
doesn't seem like it's much of a contrast, but it is.
When your roots grow in, you could just see it.
So I constantly, like every two weeks, was always doing
my roots, and it was a lot of maintenance. And
I can't even imagine now having the gray that how
much more striking that would be. And I just hate
the way that that looks with the gray stripe growing
(51:26):
and with the dyed hair on the end, So I'd
rather just it be like this.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys so much. We
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Speaker 1 (51:45):
Have a good weekend, guys. Thank you for listening to
Mother nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as
a pathologist assistant. I have a master's level education and
specialize in it anatomy and pathology education. I am not
a doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone
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This show, my website, and social media accounts are designed
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