March 6, 2025 • 33 mins
On this week's In Service Of Mike Posner joins the podcast to talk about his new album, his adventures like climbing Mt Everest and walking across America, meditation and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, it is Steve Bolton and this week on in
service of Sage, Bob and I are still thrilled to
be joined by Mike Postner. Mike's an old friend. Amazing
conversation on his new music, on his place and life,
on all the things he's accomplished, whether it's climbing everest
or it's making great music. This was such a fun chat.
(00:24):
Mike is an incredible guy. I hope you enjoyed this
one as much as need it. This is my podcast
co host beautiful Sage. How's it going here?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Great to be here, excited to talk to you. I'm
such a fan of your music, your breath work and
the whole extraordinaire.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So yeah, it's you know, it's funny. I met this
woman yesterday and we were talking about stories, and you
know that first time meeting you and I had is
definitely up there. I mean I have a million stories,
but dude, I mean, you know, never forget that night
up in the dark on Moholand. Yeah, now it's funny.
(01:13):
I mean, it's such a weird thing. I was thinking
of you an association with grief. I heard my album
up on mohonk we went to a late listening and
it was right around the time that both of our
father your father had died and my mother had died,
and so we were just seeing up there talking about
this in this really surreal setting. But it makes for
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this like lifetime bonding.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, it was a deep moment for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
For sure. It's funny because you feel it on this album.
You know it's a fucking great album, but you feel
it in the sense of like there's just this new
depth that comes from experience. You know that once you
have that experience, you never lose it.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This new album is all about album we listened to
years ago was about pain. This album is about alchemizing
the pain into beauty.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's interesting. So for you, Yeah, I love underneath it
all and do the veil of my I mean, that's
some weird shit to put on a record, but I
love that. I love like just how consciousness it feels.
It's not a we good song to put in a
record in nineteen sixty seven or nineteen seventy. In twenty
(02:30):
twenty four, when everything is so superficial, it feels, you know,
very different.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Thank you take that as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But it's a compliment is.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
One of my favorite parts of that song.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Nobody knows this until now, but at the end of it,
there's kind of this.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Wushing sound almost sounds like wind on it.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And we used the software that basically scan photographs and
it analyzes the frequencies of the light of the colors
in the photograph and translates that into a sound, and
we use these sounds. And I scanned all these photographs
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of people I love, some of them dead, some of
them alive, all these people that I loved in my life,
and we made that weird ethereal wishing sound almost like
wind from another world at the end of that song,
and it's just every time I hear it, it just really
means a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Very cool. So it's funny when you started putting it together,
you know, were there photographs in there that kind of
you know, when you think about people you've lost, you know,
sometimes there are people who like kind of surprise you,
you know, because you haven't thought about them in a minute,
you know. So we're there, like, what kind of range
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of people do you have in there?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's like my father, you know, my dog, my my
friend Dawa Frent Ronnie, it's just yeah, different people from
different parts of my life.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I love that you include the dog. Yeah, I have
at that too of mine who passed.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh sorry, you.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Know again we've both gone through. It's part of life.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, okay, how are you doing now?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, just always trying to keep things interesting, doing
all kinds of different ship.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
We can also catch up another time off interview, because
no one's interested in me, you know, they wanted to
know about you, you know. But yeah, I mean I'm
doing all kinds of crazy shape curating shows for MOCA
here in La. You know, just it gets boring just
doing straight you know, journalism, because it almost doesn't exist anymore, right, right,
(05:02):
you know so, and of course I know everybody, so
you got to keep it fun.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, your job must have just changed so much, or
the landscape on which you do your vocations have changed
so much in your career.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's kind of crazy to think about.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Dude from when I started. Yes, but then you know,
in Stage is an incredible artist, so people are probably
more interested in Hurt than me. Like I said, you
and I can catch up a you know, off camera,
because you know, people want to hear about your album,
which is amazing. I also love the fact it's called
the Beginning because it feels like it's a new start
in a way. That title just has so much symbolism.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, thank you it. You know, like Joseph Campbe will
talk about the hero's journey, you know, and there's a beginning,
there's a call to adventure, there's the refusal of the call.
Then you go on the journey, you meet your allies,
then there's the point of no return, then there's a battle,
and then you go back to where you were, but
(06:02):
everything's different, you know, and uh, and when you go back,
then a new a new adventure begins. So I wrote
this album when I was at the end of a chapter.
It was dark chapter, and this was the soundtrack soundtrack
of me alchemizing that pain into beauty, alchemizing that pain
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into growth, as pain plus perseverance equals growth. And my
hope is well one I just make the album because it,
you know, I needed to. But a nice byproduct would
be if it's the soundtrack to other people's journeys, other
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people's alchemization of pain into beauty, if you will a
friend of mine I met last year, he said, Mike you.
You have a way of pointing towards the rainbows while
admitting that the sun doesn't always shine. And so that's
what I hope this album does.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I like that, but it's interesting. And I'll let's say
you take over one secondus. I don't want to monopolize,
but you know what you're saying about pain, you know,
plus growth equally growth, you know. I quote more often
than anyone now and interviews Nick Cave, And I'm obsessed
with Nick Cave, who's brilliant. But he once said to
me that he always, as an artist, write what is
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you're longing for? And if you're happy, you write sad songs.
If you're sad, you write happy songs. So it's interesting
for you. Did this album come out of you said
it came out of a dark period. Did the eppy
nature of this come from the fact that you needed
the rainbows in your life?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I think that's really astute observation by mister Cave. It's
in some ways audio affirmations. You know, affirmations will say
I am strong right faith, I don't know. I love affirmations,
and these are like musical affirmations, you know, or if
you go to if you go to church, you worship,
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you know, and you're essentially singing the things that you
want to become, knowing you're knowing you're not them yet, really,
and uh so, I think that's absolutely right. You know,
the album in some ways is is an invocation or
an invitation of the things I wanted to manifest, the
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things I was longing for.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
As he said, yes, spot on it.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I absolutely love everything you're saying speaking my language. I've
been trying to get Steeve hip to meditation and breath
work for a long time, and I absolutely love the
Inner Bloom community that you've done. I'm curious how that
the work that you've done with wim Hoff and breath
Work has influenced this album. It sounds like they've been
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kind of very tied in the creation of.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Absolutely, Quincy Jones said, the deeper the human you are,
the deeper the artist you are. So you know, my teacher,
Norman Henry made me the time I went to the
he was my piano teacher, and I was still on
the piano bench and he'd be next to me, and
it's one day, start talking with me, and we're going
back and forth and like we have an hour lesson
(09:29):
it's like twenty minutes, still talking, thirty minutes, he's still
forty minutes, he's still talking, haven't played yet.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And I cut him off.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I said, Norman, shouldn't I like show you what I
practiced this week? And he said, Mike, you have to
understand everything out here, meaning life goes in here and
he pointing to the piano. And so it's all tied.
And I'm a student of life. I'm on a spiritual journey.
(09:56):
I'm a spiritual student and now a spiritual teacher as well.
And uh so it all goes into the album.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
The only the only, the only funny thing I feel
in talking about at stage is old.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You know. It's like it's and it's been Spencer. The
bane of my existence as an artist is by.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
The time I get I always get these like record
deals in order, and I get this thing mixed and mastered,
it's like a year goes by and I'm like, I'm
talking about who I was a year ago or a
year and a half ago, all the way constantly.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So that's just the only covet as I as I
speak with all this has.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So much happened since I made this album, and those
are the songs I'm writing now, but those are not
the songs that are coming out in a few days.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I was just gonna say, I'm so curious. So who
are you now?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Then?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, that's every artist by the way, you ask any
artists in the world, that's your favorite song, the last
one I wrote.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
One, or the next one. Right now, I'm thriving. You know,
my life is the best it's ever been, for sure.
I've had a challenging week.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So you know, when you measure your life by your
last two minutes, your last two hours, or your last
two days, who knows, who knows like what you're gonna
come back with. But if you zoom out on the
aperture a little further, like the last two years, well yeah,
things are really the best thing they've ever been by far.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Interesting by the nick Cave theory, then though, that should
be you're writing a sad album.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, like you said, you write what it is you're
longing for. So when you're happy, you write sad songs.
I'm kind of joking, but that's actually what he said.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I guess when you're happy, are you longing for sadness, though.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I think I don't know as an artist, are you
longing for like that feeling of I mean sometimes you
do long for melancoligue.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I think. I think.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Emotions like depression, cynicism, self pity are really addictive. So
if you use the verb longing, maybe that's true. But
they're but they're you can one can really indulge in
those feelings. I think it's normal to feel sadness or
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guilt or scared at times, but there's a difference between
feeling it and indulging in it and making a story
out of it, and so uh yeahs human beings, sometimes
we have a have a set point. I know I've
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done this in my life where things start getting really
good and I'll mess them up, like to bring them
back to like where I think I deserve things to
be and the more I have learned to love myself,
then you kind of raise that set point up. And
it's not an ego thing like just saying you know,
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I deserve the best and so is everyone else.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, It's funny though, because we interviewed this morning Lessiakara.
You know, when she was talking about how she doing,
she was awesome, but she was talking about, you know,
having never written happy songs before, and for some artists
that is a tough transition to make because now she's
in a good place, but it never written that. So
it's also interesting just as an artist. Sometimes I think you,
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as an artist, feel like you can come from a
glace more of sadness.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
There's a couple of things that makes me think of
One is I resonate with what she shared because I
have a lot of popular songs that weren't happy, and
so it can kind of become a crutch, you know.
And see it's a it's a comfortable spot if you
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if you write from that place over and over again
for years, but if you're it can become kind of
like a trap, you know, like you need to be
able to write outside of that box.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
So I sink one.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And then two is there's kind of this this this
concept that I don't know if you ever heard of,
this career of like you know CEOs or these kind
of alpha males that are always in control, like they
have to make a thousand decisions every day. The buck
stops with them, and they're in control, like of their life.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And what are they into sexually?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They want to lose control, they want to get tied up,
they want to get like, you know, dominated right, And
so the.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Same kind of concept is is true, can be true.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think of artists where they walk around really happy
and they never express their sadness in their life or
they don't have the skills too. Then all the sadness
goes into the music and vice versa. You like to
walk around really sad like.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I had this conversation with Jason Maraz before because I
was like, Dude, my songs are sad. Everyone thinks I'm sad,
but I'm actually happy in your life, and music is
the opposite With me. I'm like, I'm kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Sad, but my music is happy, and everyone thinks I'm
a happy guy and I'm not. And so it's a
little bit of that can take place with artists as well.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It's interesting and then says I'm gonna let you take
over in the second guys, again, I'm monopolizing. But it's
interesting because I think the other thing, of course, is
too As an artist, you just get used to something.
I've known Ozzi for many years and I interviewed Ozzy
and he was telling me that Black Rain was the
first album ever made sober and you know, had nothing
to do with happiness or sadness. But he said he
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was fucking scared shitless to make an album sober because
he had never done it. So just also when you're
used to doing something, to change it up can be scary.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah. Well it's like a new skill set, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It's like, how do I write a happy song it's
not corny?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You know? Yeah, you gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well, I love underneath it all. I say, that's a
happy song that's not corny.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Thank you. I love that song too.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, we were both hoping you might share the story
of that song and what inspired the seed of that.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I think it's I think it's right in line with
everything we're talking about. Are you writing the thing you're
longing for? And so that song's about having a child,
which is something I very much look forward to in
my life.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I wrote it in the studio.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
With the Swedish House Mafia guys, and it just kind
of came out really fast.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, my friend Martin wrote it and it was
just yeah, just great.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You have such a remarkable presence and I know it's
the you know you as your own special being and
being the channel that you are and all the inner
work that you've done. I'm curious you've shared some of
your process, your breath work with the world, but could
you break down your your rituals how you keep your
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your presence so beaming, both as a creator and just
as as your day to day self.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
My girlfriend's buying the camera. She's laughing at me because
she knows I'm not always beaming. Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
She's she's a beam of light as well, she really is.
But no, it's you know, it's so easy to play
perfect online and I want to give light into the world.
So but but I have darkness too, for sure. But uh,
your question, you know, comes that interesting time because I've
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had a really challenging week. We've like kind of left home.
We lived in LA and like I haven't been home
for a while, and I kind of like unsettled this week.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And what have you and at times acted like a
total baby this week. So anyways, without a caveat of humility,
my rituals include, well, one the one I've kind of
been screwing up this week is I try to really sleep.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Okay, so I turned my I have two phones, Like
this phone is like my actual phone. This is my
old phone, and I use it like an iPod, so
it just has like music and books on it, podcast
but doesn't have social media and it doesn't have texting
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or email or anything like that. So no one can
no one can talk to me on this phone. And
so after like ideally seven pm, when I eat, the
real phone goes off and I just have this one,
and then I go to bed. I keep it off
until I wake up. And the first thing I do
is I try to go outside and have the light
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hit my eye so my body knows it's daytime.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And then I.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Do what Tony Robbins calls incantations, which is like an
affirmation mixed with a physical.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Activation.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
So ill either be running or I do ice bath,
and I'll say, like we talked about, you write the
things you're longing for.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So I'll say who I am?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I say I am joy, I am faith, I am loving,
I say I am loud. I do that for at
least ten minutes. I work out, I meditate for twenty minutes.
The flavor of meditation I've been doing lately is called
you Passion of meditation, and then I try to write.
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And so right now I've been working on a book,
so I'll write, or they work on music and ideally
and like on a perfect day, I do that for.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Four hours and then I turned my phone on.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
This week, I always feel like a little bit hypocritical
this week because it's like I've been I'm like messed
up a lot of my habits this week.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And then I also try to eat not eat before bed.
That really helps me rest. And these are kind of
my rituals. And one of the things I try to
fit in one other twenty minute meditation in the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So you've kind of practiced. Has been a part of
your life for a long long time or was there
a year that you really stepped into these kinds of
this kind of work.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's been sort of a snowball.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I first started meditating got ten or fifteen years ago
indirectly through Big Sean. He gave me a book and
I read another book based off that, and it got
into and I learned.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
TM and you know, then you just learn more.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
You learn, Like two years ago, I learned about how
important is to see the sun when you wake up
after light hit your eyes and then not see light
after the sun goes down, like the artificial light can
re interfere with the sleep.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So that's something I added on.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
And then yeah, each year just adding more and more,
like things that don't serve you.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Like two years ago, I.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Stopped watching porn, you know, that was that was like
really amazing. And then like a year and a half,
I stopped masturbating all together, which I thought that would
never happen, and so yeah, it just it just builds bills.
And then like this year, I got off all social media.
So I post on social media, but a team that
does it for me, and I write the things, but
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I'm off it. And then I blocked YouTube because I
was like I was on YouTube a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So it just snowballs.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But the thing I think, you know, that's my ritual.
That can sound like a lot. It's like, well when
do you actually work, dude? You know, but the thing
that people want to feel is just growth. You know,
happiness comes from growth, doesn't come from getting somewhere. So
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as long as you have the areas of your life
like moving in the direction you want, like your health
or your creativity, your work, like each of them. Maybe
they're not where you want them to be at the
end of the day, but there isn't no actual end
of the day until you die.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
As long as you just have things moving in the
right direction, that's what feels good.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I want to go back for a second, No, because
it's funny. The worst year of my career, like was
my second contract of Rolling Stone, the third year, when
everybody would just kiss your ass constantly. It was so tiring,
and it's funny just having a girlfriend who's laughing at
you in the background help keep you so grounded and
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be like, yeah, she knows I'm not like that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Oh, it's the ultimate, you know, because when you're single,
you can you know, we talked about those addictive emotions before,
like self pity or depression or cynicism or fear or guilt.
You know, you can really dwell and when you're single,
you can dwell in those for a long time before
you realize that you're messing stuff up because it's just alone.
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But when you're with another human being, the feedback loops
a lot quicker. So I think it's just, yeah, she's
really mentally healthy to share life with.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Some money and wait, tell me about the freaking book
you're writing.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
The freaking book I'm writing is about my walk across America,
and I've been writing it for like a year, over
a year, which is longer than it took to walk
across America. And it's gonna be great. I'll probably come
out sometime in twenty twenty six, and still working on it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's always interesting for me as a writer, because you know,
you uncover so much when you're writing things you haven't
thought about whatever. Does writing this give you a lot
of insight to not only the experience, but what led
up to the experience.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, you said, it's spot on, dude. Some of the
things you I uncovered even kind of didn't want to
uncover as someone where it's so nice. But yeah, it's
a very deep experience because we each we all have.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Sort of a talk track about why we do what
we do. You think of your life story, you have
some kind of prep speech that like spews out of
one's mouth when asked, like, you know, how did you
end up here?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Or who are you?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And I've certainly had, you know, my fair share of
can canned speeches about why I walked across America. You know,
all that kind of thing that I did a lot
of interviews, but when I sat down to write, you know,
there's I think anyone that writes a book and is
committed to the truth finds there's usually a capital T
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true answer that lies underneath those canned responses, and it
is dormant inside one's own heart, waiting to be uncovered.
And so writing a book isn't just going through your diary.
It's an excavation, an emotional excavation, spiritual excavation, and uncovering.
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So it's been a not so subtle experience for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All Right, well see, I'm gonna read the book for sure,
But now I'm so curious because we have to wait
a year for it. What is the capitalisty truth? Bind
why you did? You know?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
The capital T truth is that there's more than one answer.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And well, the answer that I didn't really want to
write was that I was partially doing it for attention,
and I was pretending I was the thing I wanted
to be. When I started walking like I had a
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long beard, and I you know, Justin Bieber would.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Call me and say, hey, dude, you figured it out.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Man, you're just walking away, and I'd say, yes, I
have figured it all out, like would you like some advice?
You'm justin you know, And the truth is, like I
hadn't really figured it out. I was trying to figure
it out, pretending I pretending I already had.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
But that goes back to the artistic nature of what
Nick was saying. You were trying to figure it out
and you were able to do so from doing it.
So you were looking for something, you know, as an artist,
you were looking for something and the only way to
do it was to do the artistic thing and try it.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's right, I think that's I think that's right. And
I did uncover a lot on that journey. It wasn't
all the things I expected, and yeah, it just it
changed my life in ways that anticipate.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I'm so inspired by how you are an advocate for
just becoming more you. I think a lot of people
are afraid of that journey and just the endeavor to
walk across the America, the endeavor to Mount Everest and
share this. It's just kind of inspiring everyone to endeavor
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that within themselves too. And then when you look back
on those experiences, it can illuminate more of actually walking
that path. Perhaps so turning to this album, when you
look back on it, what was perhaps prophetic in it
or something that you can now understand more than you
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did when you were creating it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
That's a good question. Oh, I think most notably it's probably.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
My love, who we already talked about earlier. No smallest
things like you talked about underneath it All. She's quite
enjoying this interview, by the way. Yeah, we talked about
underneath it All, which was really just kind of like
a fantasy. And now I guess at least be on
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the track or in striking range of being the man
that can actually have that experience is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
If you had to tell your younger self a piece
of advice, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You have no idea how good it's going to get?
Keep going well.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The name of the podcast is in service of you know,
which I think has you know. It's a lie about
giving back for you. What does it mean to be
in service of and how does it influence your music?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
The ultimate truth.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Is I hope to be in service of God or
life with a capital L, which just just changes moment
to moment. When I try to control my own life,
things go so well. But when I just surrender and
give over control to higher power. I'm just in service
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of that, and so that can look a lot of
different ways. Like you know, when I'm on stage, it
looks a little different than if I'm just in the
moment or talking with you guys, or meeting meeting someone
on the street, or you know, these kind of things.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So that's it. It's just being a service of what
the moment calls for.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Can you tell us a little bit more about the
Inner Bloom community. It was in process, now it's there.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would love to share and invite you guys and
all your listeners to join. Inner Bloom is a community
where miracles and transformation happen and it's totally free.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
There's also a free album inside that community, so if
anyone wants to join, they can just go to Mike
Posner dot com. We do a call every Thursday that
involves breath work, and really people leave that call centered,
uh and in touch with what really matters. You know,
you ever go through your week and you're just like,
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I'm so caught up in everything I'm doing and and
my own melodrama this, and you can kind of just
forget what you're doing. It for that call is just
a recenter, a reconnection meant to be a reconnection to
what really matters to one's heart. So yeah, we do
those every Thursday and people can sign up to be
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a part of it at Mike Posner dot com.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And again it's totally free.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So would love to invite both of you and anyone
in your.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Audience is welcome to joint. It's just a wonderful community.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
If it's not like social media where people are you know,
trolling or making fun of you, Like, there's no negativity involved.
So if there's anyone's negative in the me to get
kicked out. So it's just people praying for each other
and encouraging one another and people upliving upleveling their lives
and sharing their wins and and real stuff, you know,
like people with terminal cancer sharing. We have people that
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are recovering from gunshot wounds, like and it's it's not me,
it's like them. It's so inspiring. You sees people like
who have every reason to be senecore give up. Just decide,
you know, they're going to live a life of joy
and faith and love and happiness and whatever they choose
to create.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's amazing. I will definitely be there.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I know that you said you got to jump. Is
there anything you want to add we didn't ask you about.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's it. Just I love you guys. Have a blessed day.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Oh man, Well it's good catching up with you.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah. Good to see you brother.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, thanks man, love bye the po
Hey, it is Steve Bolton and this week on in
service of Sage, Bob and I are still thrilled to
be joined by Mike Postner. Mike's an old friend. Amazing
conversation on his new music, on his place and life,
on all the things he's accomplished, whether it's climbing everest
or it's making great music. This was such a fun chat.
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Mike is an incredible guy. I hope you enjoyed this
one as much as need it. This is my podcast
co host beautiful Sage. How's it going here?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Great to be here, excited to talk to you. I'm
such a fan of your music, your breath work and
the whole extraordinaire.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So yeah, it's you know, it's funny. I met this
woman yesterday and we were talking about stories, and you
know that first time meeting you and I had is
definitely up there. I mean I have a million stories,
but dude, I mean, you know, never forget that night
up in the dark on Moholand. Yeah, now it's funny.
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I mean, it's such a weird thing. I was thinking
of you an association with grief. I heard my album
up on mohonk we went to a late listening and
it was right around the time that both of our
father your father had died and my mother had died,
and so we were just seeing up there talking about
this in this really surreal setting. But it makes for
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this like lifetime bonding.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, it was a deep moment for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
For sure. It's funny because you feel it on this album.
You know it's a fucking great album, but you feel
it in the sense of like there's just this new
depth that comes from experience. You know that once you
have that experience, you never lose it.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This new album is all about album we listened to
years ago was about pain. This album is about alchemizing
the pain into beauty.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's interesting. So for you, Yeah, I love underneath it
all and do the veil of my I mean, that's
some weird shit to put on a record, but I
love that. I love like just how consciousness it feels.
It's not a we good song to put in a
record in nineteen sixty seven or nineteen seventy. In twenty
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twenty four, when everything is so superficial, it feels, you know,
very different.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Thank you take that as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But it's a compliment is.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
One of my favorite parts of that song.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Nobody knows this until now, but at the end of it,
there's kind of this.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Wushing sound almost sounds like wind on it.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And we used the software that basically scan photographs and
it analyzes the frequencies of the light of the colors
in the photograph and translates that into a sound, and
we use these sounds. And I scanned all these photographs
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of people I love, some of them dead, some of
them alive, all these people that I loved in my life,
and we made that weird ethereal wishing sound almost like
wind from another world at the end of that song,
and it's just every time I hear it, it just really
means a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Very cool. So it's funny when you started putting it together,
you know, were there photographs in there that kind of
you know, when you think about people you've lost, you know,
sometimes there are people who like kind of surprise you,
you know, because you haven't thought about them in a minute,
you know. So we're there, like, what kind of range
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of people do you have in there?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's like my father, you know, my dog, my my
friend Dawa Frent Ronnie, it's just yeah, different people from
different parts of my life.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I love that you include the dog. Yeah, I have
at that too of mine who passed.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh sorry, you.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Know again we've both gone through. It's part of life.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, okay, how are you doing now?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, just always trying to keep things interesting, doing
all kinds of different ship.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
We can also catch up another time off interview, because
no one's interested in me, you know, they wanted to
know about you, you know. But yeah, I mean I'm
doing all kinds of crazy shape curating shows for MOCA
here in La. You know, just it gets boring just
doing straight you know, journalism, because it almost doesn't exist anymore, right, right,
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you know so, and of course I know everybody, so
you got to keep it fun.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, your job must have just changed so much, or
the landscape on which you do your vocations have changed
so much in your career.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's kind of crazy to think about.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Dude from when I started. Yes, but then you know,
in Stage is an incredible artist, so people are probably
more interested in Hurt than me. Like I said, you
and I can catch up a you know, off camera,
because you know, people want to hear about your album,
which is amazing. I also love the fact it's called
the Beginning because it feels like it's a new start
in a way. That title just has so much symbolism.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, thank you it. You know, like Joseph Campbe will
talk about the hero's journey, you know, and there's a beginning,
there's a call to adventure, there's the refusal of the call.
Then you go on the journey, you meet your allies,
then there's the point of no return, then there's a battle,
and then you go back to where you were, but
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everything's different, you know, and uh, and when you go back,
then a new a new adventure begins. So I wrote
this album when I was at the end of a chapter.
It was dark chapter, and this was the soundtrack soundtrack
of me alchemizing that pain into beauty, alchemizing that pain
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into growth, as pain plus perseverance equals growth. And my
hope is well one I just make the album because it,
you know, I needed to. But a nice byproduct would
be if it's the soundtrack to other people's journeys, other
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people's alchemization of pain into beauty, if you will a
friend of mine I met last year, he said, Mike you.
You have a way of pointing towards the rainbows while
admitting that the sun doesn't always shine. And so that's
what I hope this album does.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I like that, but it's interesting. And I'll let's say
you take over one secondus. I don't want to monopolize,
but you know what you're saying about pain, you know,
plus growth equally growth, you know. I quote more often
than anyone now and interviews Nick Cave, And I'm obsessed
with Nick Cave, who's brilliant. But he once said to
me that he always, as an artist, write what is
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you're longing for? And if you're happy, you write sad songs.
If you're sad, you write happy songs. So it's interesting
for you. Did this album come out of you said
it came out of a dark period. Did the eppy
nature of this come from the fact that you needed
the rainbows in your life?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I think that's really astute observation by mister Cave. It's
in some ways audio affirmations. You know, affirmations will say
I am strong right faith, I don't know. I love affirmations,
and these are like musical affirmations, you know, or if
you go to if you go to church, you worship,
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you know, and you're essentially singing the things that you
want to become, knowing you're knowing you're not them yet, really,
and uh so, I think that's absolutely right. You know,
the album in some ways is is an invocation or
an invitation of the things I wanted to manifest, the
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things I was longing for.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
As he said, yes, spot on it.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I absolutely love everything you're saying speaking my language. I've
been trying to get Steeve hip to meditation and breath
work for a long time, and I absolutely love the
Inner Bloom community that you've done. I'm curious how that
the work that you've done with wim Hoff and breath
Work has influenced this album. It sounds like they've been
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kind of very tied in the creation of.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Absolutely, Quincy Jones said, the deeper the human you are,
the deeper the artist you are. So you know, my teacher,
Norman Henry made me the time I went to the
he was my piano teacher, and I was still on
the piano bench and he'd be next to me, and
it's one day, start talking with me, and we're going
back and forth and like we have an hour lesson
(09:29):
it's like twenty minutes, still talking, thirty minutes, he's still
forty minutes, he's still talking, haven't played yet.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And I cut him off.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I said, Norman, shouldn't I like show you what I
practiced this week? And he said, Mike, you have to
understand everything out here, meaning life goes in here and
he pointing to the piano. And so it's all tied.
And I'm a student of life. I'm on a spiritual journey.
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I'm a spiritual student and now a spiritual teacher as well.
And uh so it all goes into the album.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
The only the only, the only funny thing I feel
in talking about at stage is old.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You know. It's like it's and it's been Spencer. The
bane of my existence as an artist is by.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
The time I get I always get these like record
deals in order, and I get this thing mixed and mastered,
it's like a year goes by and I'm like, I'm
talking about who I was a year ago or a
year and a half ago, all the way constantly.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So that's just the only covet as I as I
speak with all this has.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So much happened since I made this album, and those
are the songs I'm writing now, but those are not
the songs that are coming out in a few days.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I was just gonna say, I'm so curious. So who
are you now?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Then?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, that's every artist by the way, you ask any
artists in the world, that's your favorite song, the last
one I wrote.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
One, or the next one. Right now, I'm thriving. You know,
my life is the best it's ever been, for sure.
I've had a challenging week.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So you know, when you measure your life by your
last two minutes, your last two hours, or your last
two days, who knows, who knows like what you're gonna
come back with. But if you zoom out on the
aperture a little further, like the last two years, well yeah,
things are really the best thing they've ever been by far.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Interesting by the nick Cave theory, then though, that should
be you're writing a sad album.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, like you said, you write what it is you're
longing for. So when you're happy, you write sad songs.
I'm kind of joking, but that's actually what he said.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I guess when you're happy, are you longing for sadness, though.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I think I don't know as an artist, are you
longing for like that feeling of I mean sometimes you
do long for melancoligue.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I think. I think.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Emotions like depression, cynicism, self pity are really addictive. So
if you use the verb longing, maybe that's true. But
they're but they're you can one can really indulge in
those feelings. I think it's normal to feel sadness or
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guilt or scared at times, but there's a difference between
feeling it and indulging in it and making a story
out of it, and so uh yeahs human beings, sometimes
we have a have a set point. I know I've
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done this in my life where things start getting really
good and I'll mess them up, like to bring them
back to like where I think I deserve things to
be and the more I have learned to love myself,
then you kind of raise that set point up. And
it's not an ego thing like just saying you know,
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I deserve the best and so is everyone else.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, It's funny though, because we interviewed this morning Lessiakara.
You know, when she was talking about how she doing,
she was awesome, but she was talking about, you know,
having never written happy songs before, and for some artists
that is a tough transition to make because now she's
in a good place, but it never written that. So
it's also interesting just as an artist. Sometimes I think you,
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as an artist, feel like you can come from a
glace more of sadness.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
There's a couple of things that makes me think of
One is I resonate with what she shared because I
have a lot of popular songs that weren't happy, and
so it can kind of become a crutch, you know.
And see it's a it's a comfortable spot if you
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if you write from that place over and over again
for years, but if you're it can become kind of
like a trap, you know, like you need to be
able to write outside of that box.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
So I sink one.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And then two is there's kind of this this this
concept that I don't know if you ever heard of,
this career of like you know CEOs or these kind
of alpha males that are always in control, like they
have to make a thousand decisions every day. The buck
stops with them, and they're in control, like of their life.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And what are they into sexually?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They want to lose control, they want to get tied up,
they want to get like, you know, dominated right, And
so the.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Same kind of concept is is true, can be true.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think of artists where they walk around really happy
and they never express their sadness in their life or
they don't have the skills too. Then all the sadness
goes into the music and vice versa. You like to
walk around really sad like.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I had this conversation with Jason Maraz before because I
was like, Dude, my songs are sad. Everyone thinks I'm sad,
but I'm actually happy in your life, and music is
the opposite With me. I'm like, I'm kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Sad, but my music is happy, and everyone thinks I'm
a happy guy and I'm not. And so it's a
little bit of that can take place with artists as well.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It's interesting and then says I'm gonna let you take
over in the second guys, again, I'm monopolizing. But it's
interesting because I think the other thing, of course, is
too As an artist, you just get used to something.
I've known Ozzi for many years and I interviewed Ozzy
and he was telling me that Black Rain was the
first album ever made sober and you know, had nothing
to do with happiness or sadness. But he said he
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was fucking scared shitless to make an album sober because
he had never done it. So just also when you're
used to doing something, to change it up can be scary.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah. Well it's like a new skill set, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It's like, how do I write a happy song it's
not corny?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You know? Yeah, you gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well, I love underneath it all. I say, that's a
happy song that's not corny.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Thank you. I love that song too.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, we were both hoping you might share the story
of that song and what inspired the seed of that.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I think it's I think it's right in line with
everything we're talking about. Are you writing the thing you're
longing for? And so that song's about having a child,
which is something I very much look forward to in
my life.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I wrote it in the studio.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
With the Swedish House Mafia guys, and it just kind
of came out really fast.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, my friend Martin wrote it and it was
just yeah, just great.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
You have such a remarkable presence and I know it's
the you know you as your own special being and
being the channel that you are and all the inner
work that you've done. I'm curious you've shared some of
your process, your breath work with the world, but could
you break down your your rituals how you keep your
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your presence so beaming, both as a creator and just
as as your day to day self.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
My girlfriend's buying the camera. She's laughing at me because
she knows I'm not always beaming. Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
She's she's a beam of light as well, she really is.
But no, it's you know, it's so easy to play
perfect online and I want to give light into the world.
So but but I have darkness too, for sure. But uh,
your question, you know, comes that interesting time because I've
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had a really challenging week. We've like kind of left home.
We lived in LA and like I haven't been home
for a while, and I kind of like unsettled this week.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And what have you and at times acted like a
total baby this week. So anyways, without a caveat of humility,
my rituals include, well, one the one I've kind of
been screwing up this week is I try to really sleep.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Okay, so I turned my I have two phones, Like
this phone is like my actual phone. This is my
old phone, and I use it like an iPod, so
it just has like music and books on it, podcast
but doesn't have social media and it doesn't have texting
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or email or anything like that. So no one can
no one can talk to me on this phone. And
so after like ideally seven pm, when I eat, the
real phone goes off and I just have this one,
and then I go to bed. I keep it off
until I wake up. And the first thing I do
is I try to go outside and have the light
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hit my eye so my body knows it's daytime.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And then I.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Do what Tony Robbins calls incantations, which is like an
affirmation mixed with a physical.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Activation.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
So ill either be running or I do ice bath,
and I'll say, like we talked about, you write the
things you're longing for.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So I'll say who I am?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I say I am joy, I am faith, I am loving,
I say I am loud. I do that for at
least ten minutes. I work out, I meditate for twenty minutes.
The flavor of meditation I've been doing lately is called
you Passion of meditation, and then I try to write.
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And so right now I've been working on a book,
so I'll write, or they work on music and ideally
and like on a perfect day, I do that for.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Four hours and then I turned my phone on.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
This week, I always feel like a little bit hypocritical
this week because it's like I've been I'm like messed
up a lot of my habits this week.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And then I also try to eat not eat before bed.
That really helps me rest. And these are kind of
my rituals. And one of the things I try to
fit in one other twenty minute meditation in the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So you've kind of practiced. Has been a part of
your life for a long long time or was there
a year that you really stepped into these kinds of
this kind of work.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's been sort of a snowball.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I first started meditating got ten or fifteen years ago
indirectly through Big Sean. He gave me a book and
I read another book based off that, and it got
into and I learned.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
TM and you know, then you just learn more.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
You learn, Like two years ago, I learned about how
important is to see the sun when you wake up
after light hit your eyes and then not see light
after the sun goes down, like the artificial light can
re interfere with the sleep.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So that's something I added on.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
And then yeah, each year just adding more and more,
like things that don't serve you.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Like two years ago, I.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Stopped watching porn, you know, that was that was like
really amazing. And then like a year and a half,
I stopped masturbating all together, which I thought that would
never happen, and so yeah, it just it just builds bills.
And then like this year, I got off all social media.
So I post on social media, but a team that
does it for me, and I write the things, but
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I'm off it. And then I blocked YouTube because I
was like I was on YouTube a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So it just snowballs.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But the thing I think, you know, that's my ritual.
That can sound like a lot. It's like, well when
do you actually work, dude? You know, but the thing
that people want to feel is just growth. You know,
happiness comes from growth, doesn't come from getting somewhere. So
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as long as you have the areas of your life
like moving in the direction you want, like your health
or your creativity, your work, like each of them. Maybe
they're not where you want them to be at the
end of the day, but there isn't no actual end
of the day until you die.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
As long as you just have things moving in the
right direction, that's what feels good.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I want to go back for a second, No, because
it's funny. The worst year of my career, like was
my second contract of Rolling Stone, the third year, when
everybody would just kiss your ass constantly. It was so tiring,
and it's funny just having a girlfriend who's laughing at
you in the background help keep you so grounded and
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be like, yeah, she knows I'm not like that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Oh, it's the ultimate, you know, because when you're single,
you can you know, we talked about those addictive emotions before,
like self pity or depression or cynicism or fear or guilt.
You know, you can really dwell and when you're single,
you can dwell in those for a long time before
you realize that you're messing stuff up because it's just alone.
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But when you're with another human being, the feedback loops
a lot quicker. So I think it's just, yeah, she's
really mentally healthy to share life with.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Some money and wait, tell me about the freaking book
you're writing.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
The freaking book I'm writing is about my walk across America,
and I've been writing it for like a year, over
a year, which is longer than it took to walk
across America. And it's gonna be great. I'll probably come
out sometime in twenty twenty six, and still working on it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's always interesting for me as a writer, because you know,
you uncover so much when you're writing things you haven't
thought about whatever. Does writing this give you a lot
of insight to not only the experience, but what led
up to the experience.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, you said, it's spot on, dude. Some of the
things you I uncovered even kind of didn't want to
uncover as someone where it's so nice. But yeah, it's
a very deep experience because we each we all have.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Sort of a talk track about why we do what
we do. You think of your life story, you have
some kind of prep speech that like spews out of
one's mouth when asked, like, you know, how did you
end up here?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Or who are you?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And I've certainly had, you know, my fair share of
can canned speeches about why I walked across America. You know,
all that kind of thing that I did a lot
of interviews, but when I sat down to write, you know,
there's I think anyone that writes a book and is
committed to the truth finds there's usually a capital T
(25:30):
true answer that lies underneath those canned responses, and it
is dormant inside one's own heart, waiting to be uncovered.
And so writing a book isn't just going through your diary.
It's an excavation, an emotional excavation, spiritual excavation, and uncovering.
(25:56):
So it's been a not so subtle experience for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All Right, well see, I'm gonna read the book for sure,
But now I'm so curious because we have to wait
a year for it. What is the capitalisty truth? Bind
why you did? You know?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
The capital T truth is that there's more than one answer.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And well, the answer that I didn't really want to
write was that I was partially doing it for attention,
and I was pretending I was the thing I wanted
to be. When I started walking like I had a
(26:37):
long beard, and I you know, Justin Bieber would.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Call me and say, hey, dude, you figured it out.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Man, you're just walking away, and I'd say, yes, I
have figured it all out, like would you like some advice?
You'm justin you know, And the truth is, like I
hadn't really figured it out. I was trying to figure
it out, pretending I pretending I already had.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
But that goes back to the artistic nature of what
Nick was saying. You were trying to figure it out
and you were able to do so from doing it.
So you were looking for something, you know, as an artist,
you were looking for something and the only way to
do it was to do the artistic thing and try it.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's right, I think that's I think that's right. And
I did uncover a lot on that journey. It wasn't
all the things I expected, and yeah, it just it
changed my life in ways that anticipate.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I'm so inspired by how you are an advocate for
just becoming more you. I think a lot of people
are afraid of that journey and just the endeavor to
walk across the America, the endeavor to Mount Everest and
share this. It's just kind of inspiring everyone to endeavor
(28:09):
that within themselves too. And then when you look back
on those experiences, it can illuminate more of actually walking
that path. Perhaps so turning to this album, when you
look back on it, what was perhaps prophetic in it
or something that you can now understand more than you
(28:31):
did when you were creating it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
That's a good question. Oh, I think most notably it's probably.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
My love, who we already talked about earlier. No smallest
things like you talked about underneath it All. She's quite
enjoying this interview, by the way. Yeah, we talked about
underneath it All, which was really just kind of like
a fantasy. And now I guess at least be on
(29:08):
the track or in striking range of being the man
that can actually have that experience is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
If you had to tell your younger self a piece
of advice, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You have no idea how good it's going to get?
Keep going well.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The name of the podcast is in service of you know,
which I think has you know. It's a lie about
giving back for you. What does it mean to be
in service of and how does it influence your music?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
The ultimate truth.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Is I hope to be in service of God or
life with a capital L, which just just changes moment
to moment. When I try to control my own life,
things go so well. But when I just surrender and
give over control to higher power. I'm just in service
(30:14):
of that, and so that can look a lot of
different ways. Like you know, when I'm on stage, it
looks a little different than if I'm just in the
moment or talking with you guys, or meeting meeting someone
on the street, or you know, these kind of things.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So that's it. It's just being a service of what
the moment calls for.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Can you tell us a little bit more about the
Inner Bloom community. It was in process, now it's there.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would love to share and invite you guys and
all your listeners to join. Inner Bloom is a community
where miracles and transformation happen and it's totally free.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
There's also a free album inside that community, so if
anyone wants to join, they can just go to Mike
Posner dot com. We do a call every Thursday that
involves breath work, and really people leave that call centered,
uh and in touch with what really matters. You know,
you ever go through your week and you're just like,
(31:18):
I'm so caught up in everything I'm doing and and
my own melodrama this, and you can kind of just
forget what you're doing. It for that call is just
a recenter, a reconnection meant to be a reconnection to
what really matters to one's heart. So yeah, we do
those every Thursday and people can sign up to be
(31:40):
a part of it at Mike Posner dot com.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And again it's totally free.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So would love to invite both of you and anyone
in your.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Audience is welcome to joint. It's just a wonderful community.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
If it's not like social media where people are you know,
trolling or making fun of you, Like, there's no negativity involved.
So if there's anyone's negative in the me to get
kicked out. So it's just people praying for each other
and encouraging one another and people upliving upleveling their lives
and sharing their wins and and real stuff, you know,
like people with terminal cancer sharing. We have people that
(32:14):
are recovering from gunshot wounds, like and it's it's not me,
it's like them. It's so inspiring. You sees people like
who have every reason to be senecore give up. Just decide,
you know, they're going to live a life of joy
and faith and love and happiness and whatever they choose
to create.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's amazing. I will definitely be there.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I know that you said you got to jump. Is
there anything you want to add we didn't ask you about.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's it. Just I love you guys. Have a blessed day.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Oh man, Well it's good catching up with you.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah. Good to see you brother.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, thanks man, love bye the po
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