Nurse Influencer Dies in Childbirth, Russell Brand Charged, Pallbearers Plunge into Burial Hole, Restaurant Offers Discounts For Skinny People, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
welcome The Mother Knows Death. Today we are going to
be talking about a nurse influencer who tragically died during childbirth.

(00:29):
Russell Brand's rape charges at least five nurses working at
the same unit that all have brain tumors, discounts for
skinny people, a man who performs surgery on hisself, and
of course sex in a cemetery. All that more on
today's episode, Let's get started with Nurse Halle's tragic death. Okay,
So Haley Accola, she was a popular nurse influencer. Her

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handle was at rn New Grads, so she was pregnant
with her first child. She had told her audience about
her fertility struggles, so of course everybody was really happy
for her when she announced that she's pregnant with her
and her husband's first child. So last week she was
due or she started going into birth.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
She went in the hospital and then her audience was
shocked when her husband posted a couple of days later
that she had died during the childbirth.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, I mean, we personally have dealt with this experience
that one of our great family friends died after giving
birth to her son. This was back eleven twelve years
ago now at this point. But yeah, I mean it's
really especially since that happened to us, I know exactly
what everybody in her life is going through. And I

(01:42):
guess it's just even more shocking because she was an
Instagram influencer. She had almost half a million followers, you know,
so a lot of people were following her story for years,
and it's just upsetting to anyone that hears that because
nobody wants to hear a first. People are just like,
it's twenty twenty five, How does that even happen? But

(02:04):
it happens, unfortunately, about a thousand times a year in
the United States and even more in other countries. It
just sometimes this particular condition that his wife was diagnosed with,
it's just like you can't know that it's happening, and
sometimes you can't stop it from happening. Well, what happened

(02:25):
exactly in her case, So she had something called an
amnionic fluid embolism. So we've talked about embolisms all the
time on this program. Usually we talk about a pulmonary embolism.
Sometimes if we're talking about like lip boseuction. Sometimes these
plastic surgery deaths we talk about, it would be a
fat embolism, and that just means that something is starting

(02:48):
at one point in the body and it's moving through
the vascular system and can go to another part of
the body. So in this case, it is the fetal
cells that are in the amniotic fluid are somehow getting
into the maternal blood supply and traveling to the lungs,
and this is what is causing these women to just

(03:11):
suddenly get these symptoms and their heart stops and then
they start So the weird thing is about this is
that embolisms, when there's death from embolisms, either from fat
or from blood, they usually have this certain way of
presenting itself, and with amnionic fluid embolisms it's a little

(03:32):
bit different, and that's why sometimes it's referred to as
being closer to like an anaphylactic reaction that you would
think when you you know, a person with peanut allergies
has peanuts or something like that. So what happens is
it's the blood vessels start tightening up really tight, and
the bronchials start tightening up there the airway and the

(03:53):
lungs start tightening up. And not only are they just
getting irritated because these cells are within the blood vessels
and are traveling into the lungs, but it's releasing these
inflammatory cytokinds that are reacting to this foreign material being
present inside of the mom and that is leading to

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it activates coagulation, which is blood clotting, and it leads
to a condition called DIC. DIC stands for disseminated intravascular coagulation.
It just sounds it just sounds crazy, and it's this
really bizarre condition where the blood clots too much and
then people end up bleeding to death, which it's kind

(04:38):
of counteractive. It doesn't make sense, but let me explain
it to you really quick, because it makes sense. So
what happens is all of the blood starts clotting and
it could block off all of the oxygen to the organs.
So that's the first problem really that you're having problems
with all these blood clots. But then the rest of
the blood no longer has an access to any of

(04:59):
those clots factors such as platelets, because they're all being
used by the clots that are being made, so that
blood just can't clot at all, and then the person
ends up just spontaneously bleeding, and it's it's this really
fast thing that could happen to women during childbirth. From

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the time it starts, they could be dead within an hour.
It's just it's really quick and unfortunately it's so rare
that many physicians don't see it in their lifetime and
it's something that you have to really be on top of,
you have to recognize, jump on top of, and even
in that case, you still might not be able to

(05:40):
save the person. But there are people that do survive it.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, because I guess my question is just like, there's
nothing you could do to prevent this, right, It just
there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, there's definitely risk factors associated with it, and
there's a lot of risk factors associated with it, and
if I really listed all of them, I think every
single person that's ever had a baby could say they
have one of them. Yeah, so it's it sometimes happens
in people who have multiple pregnancies. So if you have twins, right, Okay,

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well that's a lot of people advanced maternal age that
means over thirty five years old, that's a lot of people.
It there's all these different risk factors. One of the
biggest ones is when a person has a condition called
placenta acrida, which is so normally when you have the baby,
you have this placenta grows inside your uterus and then

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there's this tissue, this layer in between the placenta and
the inside of the uterus. So when you give birth,
the placenta is supposed to just kind of fall out
and slide out really nicely, but sometimes that doesn't happen,
and sometimes the placenta could grow into the uterus almost
like a tumor, and but it's it's not a tumor.
It's just it's not a tumor, but it's it's you know,

(06:58):
it's it just has that kind of thing that it's
growing into it like that. And those people are at
the highest risk for this, They have like a tenfold
increased risk with it. But again, lots of women have
this condition and never develop an amniotic fluid embolism, So
it's hard to say, but she did have this history

(07:21):
of IVF. It does happen in eight percent of patients
that have had eight percent of the cases or patients
that have had IVF I still wouldn't even really consider
that to be though, like a risk factor, because how
many people get IVF and have no problems. So this
is just one of those things that it's so scary.
A thousand people a year died during childbirth, and this

(07:44):
is actually not even the number one cause of death
in these patients. But it's something that you kind of
walk in there knowing maybe like speak to your doctor
and just say, hey, are you aware of what symptoms present?
Because it you're seemingly like pretty fine and then all
of a sudden, it just goes downhill really fast. Your

(08:05):
heart stops, and there's there's some kind of confusion that
could be presenting, like a disoriented There's different things that
the doctor could be like, wait a second, like what's
happening here. Also the scary thing though, is that there's
this is not like this is one in a list
of all the fifty other things that could happen to
you while you're having a baby. So it sometimes the

(08:27):
symptoms kind of cross over each other with other conditions
and listen, like people think just because so many people
get pregnant and have babies that it's just this thing.
It's it's not a benign condition. It puts a lot
on your body. It makes you immuno suppressed, you have
more blood in your body than normal. It's harder on

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your heart because of that. Like there's there's just all
these different things, and people get very surprised when things
like this happen. But like out a thousand people a year,
out of the millions of people women especially that are
childbearing age in this country, it's just like it's it's
not that much and it's nothing to freak out about

(09:09):
or not get pregnant because of.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, and on the subject of IVF, it had me
wondering if they have multiple embryos that are in storage
right now, do you think he would consider using a
sarrogate to have more babies since they're already created, and
then all his kids could be full blooded siblings. Is
that I know if we've talked about that before on here?

(09:32):
Are is that something that is legal.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
To do here? I mean, it seems because I remember
we were talking about it, but I thought it was
in another country. Honestly, Well, the case we talked about
before was I believe a woman's husband had died in
a car accident and she wanted to have his sperm
extracted after his death. That's like a totally different thing. Yeah,
I'm he he honestly probably can use them legally because

(10:01):
they're they're his. I'm just I'm not one hundred percent
sure of the law regarding that. Oh, it's great if
anybody knew that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I did a little bit of research on it. So
it seems like it depends where you live and which
what your state's laws are in this country in particular,
and it seems like in most cases it would require
some written consent. Based on my research, it appears that
fertility clinics will kind of like cover this in your

(10:29):
paperwork of what's to happen with the embryos overtime. And
I assume when you do it that both people and
the couple will need the consent if they're going to
be destroyed after a certain amount of time or if
you get divorced. I know I had talked about this
before with Sophia Virgara had been in a lawsuit about
her ex husband trying to use embryos they had created,
but she did not consent to it. So I guess

(10:51):
a large part of it is written consent, And there
was a really big case in the UK with this.
Actually it's called the Jennings versus Human Fertilization and Embryo
Authority case. So that is where a court ruled that
a widower could use an embryo created with his late wife,
even though she hadn't provided the written consent.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I am interested. I mean,
how how do you even know this?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, I looked into all of this because no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Mean I don't mean this, Like, how do you how
do you even know that there's more embryos?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, I think when you when you're going through IVF,
they after they do the egg retrieval, you are privy
to how many they have created, and then you could
they do fresh transfers or the remaining ones will get
frozen that you could get in planet.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
But I'm saying you're not. I'm saying, like, how do
you know that this couple has extras? Oh? I don't
know this, I'm saying. I was just like assuming if
there were extra, okay, tars like that would just be
it just would be a really weird thing to talk
about in an interview. It just like that they're not.
I'm sure that's the last thing from his mind right now. No,

(11:57):
it's none of my business. It's just something I.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Was curious because I know in these cases a lot
of times you end up with multiple embryos, and of
course that's because sometimes they don't take and then there's
extras to use for multiple rounds of IVF. But I'm
just wondering, in the case of if somebody did have
extras and their significant other died, what the legality is
or the desire is to go forward and use those.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, well that's that's that's actually a really interesting case
because remember that the hockey player what's his name, good,
Johnny Gudrou. Yeah, like his wife just had the baby today,
yesterday or something or within the past couple of days.
It's just really it's just like so sad to think
about having a pregnancy and giving birth to a baby

(12:46):
that you know, the the parent that you made the
baby with is no longer alive. It's but people, people
do it. So yeah, and this this case just bummed
me out so much. I mean, she's like a fellow firewife.
Her husband's a firefighter, just like my husband, and she's
she does kind of what I do, Like she educates

(13:07):
medical professionals. She started a whole entire program educating nurses,
and so it's scary because, like she I one hundred
percent guarantee you that she knew about this condition because
we all learn about it in school and and it's
always every single person that knows about this condition. It's
always on your mind when you go into childbirth. You

(13:29):
know all of the possible thousands of things that could
go wrong, and you just have to think, like like
if she was still alive, like what would she think
of this? You know, It's just it's just like a
really just as you would say if something like that
happened to me, Like because I talk about it all
the time. It's kind of just like a really crazy thing.
And I feel terrible for her family, Like I said,

(13:52):
this happened to one of my best friends, and her
husband had to leave the hospital with a baby too,
without his wife, And it just is freaking terrible. No,
it's it's unimaginable, you know. You.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I just think of like what horrific luck that you
already have to go through the struggle of infertility and
how emotionally draining that is, and then you finally have
this like miracle baby and then it just ends up
in tragedy anyway.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, I mean they'll be fine. They will be fine,
just it's it's just like, right now, this, this, the
next couple of months are just going to feel like
the absolute end of the world. But like life goes
on and they'll be fine. So what do you think
about this Russell Brand story.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, I wasn't really shocked when the news broke
that he had been charged, because I know two years
ago some news had been floating around that he was
being investigated for sexual assault. So I guess I kind
of forgot about it because it's been a little bit
of time. But I don't think this was particularly shocking
for me as somebody that follows pop culture.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
But what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I don't I don't really know much about the dude,
Like he used to be married to Katy Perry or something.
He we just don't really I don't like follow what
he's doing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean, I believe he started off as a stand
up and then he just became this TV personality. I
know him because he's in my favorite movie ever, Forgetting
Sarah Marshall.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
He's just this comedian. Ever I saw that. I never
saw that. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I don't know if you would find it particularly funny,
But I've gone over this many times. I think it's
a cavorite movie. So he's like an actor, or he's
an actor. Okay, he's like an actor in this like
British personality. He's this overly eccentric, very sexual man, always
like hip thrusting and whatever. So, yeah, he was married

(15:39):
to Katy Perry. I think he's now married to an author.
He's been married to her for a couple of years.
He was only with Katy Perry for I think like
two years. In celebrity world, that's five minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
So he has the history of these accusations.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well, I don't know about a long term history of
the accusations, but I know the accusations first started surfacing
a couple of years ago, which seemingly prompted this investigation
that has now resulted in charges.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
So what so now this investigation like this, the only
thing that I've questioned about is the year that these
particular incidents took place. All right, So the alleged incidents
happened from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and five,
involving four women, but he has been charged with five
counts of rape and assault. So they're saying it's one

(16:25):
count of rape, one count of indecent assault, one count
of oral rape, and two counts of sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
And these are just I believe incidents that happen in
the UK.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
How did they find these women?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
They came forward, So it looks like these women came
forward in the last couple of years to a media outlet,
which of course is providing a lot of scrutiny as like,
you know, if these incidents happened nearly two decades ago,
why are you just coming out now, and why are
you going right to the news. And I am going

(16:59):
to to defend them because I just think in these
cases a lot of times, I'm gonna use Megan Kelly
as an example because I've recently read her book and
we all know my favorite type of drama is newsroom drama.
So when everything that broke with Roger Ale's happened, it
was all over it. But for example, with Megan Kelly,
so she had experienced inappropriate actions with Roger Ales while

(17:22):
she was working at Fox and at the time it happened,
you know, she was of course, worried it was going
to impact her career, and she started putting feelers around
the office to see if anybody else had had this
experience with him. She even at one point brought it
to management, who kind of blew it off as Roger
Ayls was just infatuated with her. So after putting feelers

(17:44):
out and talking to a couple of her colleagues about it,
she decided, you know, I don't want this to affect
my career overall.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't want to be.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like a shit starter at my job, so I just
want to like kind of make it go away, because
she was embarrassed that it even happened, even though she
denied all of his advances. So then, you know, fast
forward years later, we have this lawsuit by Gretchen Carlson
that's exposing this huge problem going on behind the scenes,
and then we find out there's many victims, but the

(18:13):
victims had gone back for decades. So of course everybody's
quick to jump on and blame the women for not
coming forward. But there's a lot of concerns when you're
dealing with men like this.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, and I understand what you're saying for sure, but
I just I'm always skeptical as well, Like I don't
I'm not like a you know, believe all women thing
like it could be. I want to go on a
case by case basis of what's happening.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I think that's important, especially with everything we're seeing with
Blake Lively right now.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, well exactly, And that's why I feel that way.
I don't know, like I look at it right now,
like nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and five was
just such a long, long, long time go and I
think about, like, let me give you like an exact
example of something that happened in my life, because I

(19:06):
think if you talk to every single woman really like
they have some kind of experience of some kind of
sexual I wouldn't say like assault, but just maybe well
you would consider it sexual assault. Now, like people at
your job, Like I'm going to use an example of
like someone grabbing my ass or something like that. Right,

(19:28):
Like I started working when I was fourteen years old
at a bakery, right and in like underground bakery, like
under the table whatever, right, And like there were guys
working there. I was fourteen, there were guys working there
that were like older than me, and they would like
come up to me and grab my ass and like
this one guy like grabbed my ass like really hard

(19:51):
and like like stuck his finger kind of like as
far as he could with my pants on, you know,
and like whatever, I stopped working and I was just
like ew, get off me, and like slap the guy
off of me. And that was the end of it.
Like it was nothing. Right, It's totally wrong that that happened.
I one hundred percent agree, Like if that happened to
one of my kids right now, I would go down

(20:12):
there and like punch them in the face and get
my anger out on them before I would even call
the police. Right, But like, now, okay, so now right,
I and I carry that with me, like I don't
really consider that to be like as as intense as
like other people's experiences and I don't know what these

(20:32):
women's experiences are or whatever, but like it's just kind
of like whatever, that guy was an asshole, blah blah
blah blah blah, move on with my life. Right So now,
like in two thousand and twenty five, like, am I
gonna go and try to figure out who that dude
was and like get him arrested and whatever?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, I think you might be inclined if you're constantly
seeing his face on television and.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
But that's but that's my I might because the guy's
got money and I want to like take down a.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Faming person daily reminder of something bad that happened.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, because no, because I just I like I'm over
it and I've been over it, Like it's it's just
like I'm not like living as a victim of it.
I'm just saying it's a memory I have from when
I was younger. But like now, let's vice versa and say,
like I was working on a movie set and that
guy so happened to be Russell Brand Well, like isn't

(21:29):
there something in it that like people go after him
because of who he is, because he's got money, because
he's famous, because they want to take him down, because
they're jealous that he has more than they do. Like
there's there's all this other angle to it. Because the
guy that was working at the bakery in his twenties
or thirties, that that was involved in my case, like
he's he's probably like a loser right now, Like why

(21:52):
would I even bother? Why? You know, like it that's
how I look at it, like you don't hear about
these accusations coming out on regular, everyday people because there's
nothing to get out of it besides money, which.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Is a lie because it does happen with regular people.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But you know a regular person that's just living around
here right now that's going to jail for something that
they did twenty years ago. Like that.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
No, just making the point I always stay. But you're
saying that there are plenty of people that make things
up and go after celebrities.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I don't even thine there, I don't even know this
are no think that they're making it up. I'm just
kind of like, dude, like it's it's it's just I
just don't. I don't know, Like I just don't. I
don't like this, like all of a sudden, all these
people come out of the woodwork, Like where the fuck
have these people been for twenty five years?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Because like you're missing the point of my story with
Megan Kelly is that it happened to her, I believe
in like two thousand and six, and she couldn't come
out for a decade because she had actively tried in
two thousand and six at the time it occurred to
try to get around it and figure out how to
get out of this situation and hold him accountable. But
she was not able to do so until many other

(23:06):
women came out later.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
But why are they going to the news then, And
they're not going to the.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Police because you, like, some people go to the police
and they don't do anything. So your only option is
to go to the news. I'm telling you, I just don't.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I don't. I'm sorry, like you, you we could disagree
on this, Like I just I just think it's like,
it's just kind of like whatever, dude, you have.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Every right to be skeptical. I mean, people certainly come
forward with false accusations, but I think it's important to
look at like the amount of people. It's not one person,
Like look at Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, for example.
There is not one other person coming forward saying Justin
Baldoni's actually harass them. And that's where it makes a
gray area because there's not enough claims to back up

(23:54):
what she what Blake Lively is saying. So like, when
you look at this case and there's a two year
investigation and there's four women involved, you have to start
thinking about this.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
This is but this is why like and and you know,
you you sit there and say, well, women can't come
forward and stuff like women can't come forward because of
the Blake Lively situation, and like I know that, but
because but like and like if that, if that turns
out like after they go to court and stuff to
be like true, she should be ostracized because of that.

(24:26):
Because that This is why like people like me are
even too, are just kind of like, okay, here's another one,
because it's just like there's a certain there's a certain
level that like you don't even want to hear it
anymore because it's just like, oh, yeah, it happened to
you whatever. Like I don't know, I'm like the years

(24:48):
are just bothering me because like, dude, in nineteen ninety nine,
it was like a year after I was done working
at Hot Topic, and like I literally was working at
the mall and like getting ready to go to college
at like it's just it's just so fricking long ago.
I can't even imagine that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
The point I'm trying to make is that at the time,
this woman may have gone to somebody and told them
and nobody did anything about it, and it.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Kept coming back up.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
So she eventually felt her only way to like get
a hold on it was to go to the media
to expose it, because that does happen a lot of times.
But there is also a world in which these people
could be totally making it up to get a nice,
fat paycheck. So I don't think in the UK they're
getting a paycheck because it's criminal charges. He's facing a

(25:39):
civil lawsuit in the United States right now, So like,
I don't know what's going to result in that, and
it's you get a paycheck from from the newspaper that
they brought it to. Yeah, maybe, like not all newspapers pay,
so like you don't know, it's not not all newspapers pay.
That one might have, but you just really don't know.

(26:01):
It's like he said, she said, you just don't know.

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Speaker 1 (26:49):
All right, so let's start with this case of the
nurses that are working on a maternity floor in a hospital.
They all work together, and they all somehow have brain tumors.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, so this is happening at this hospital in Massachusetts,
and five of these nurses have come up with these
benign brain tumors, and six other workers at the same
hospital have come up with other weird health situations.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So the other weird health situations don't really alarm me
as much because like every like, talk to every one
of your friends. Everybody's got a weird health situation. That's
like why we do this podcast. Right. All of these
people had benign brain tumors, right, which is good at
least they didn't get brain cancer. But the interesting part

(27:33):
of this is that there were five different tumors, but
of those five, it was three different kinds of benign
brain tumors. So there were two meningiomas, but there were
also other kinds of brain tumors, including probably I would say,
just based upon most commons, like an acoustic neuroma, or
also I would say, like a pituitary adnoma. Now, the

(27:58):
reason that it's important that there's these different tumors is
because like meningiomas, for sure, I would say definitely have
an increased risk with something like radiation exposure, so to
acoustic neuromas, but like pituitary adnomas, they they don't really,
they might, they might not. So it's like there's hard

(28:19):
to see like a correlation between like pathology versus like
what they were exposed to in that case. So that's
what's you know how it's like very interesting at a
job because the most famous job related pathologies would be
like asbestos. Right, it's very easy to see like they
have this very specific pathology and they have musothelioma and

(28:41):
it correlates to asbesis disposure, whereas these are like, they don't.
They didn't find anything when they were testing. So the
health the Occupational safety on the state level came in
and did a bunch of testing. They found nothing, and
they're trying to correlate it to They say the other
health diseases that these the other people are suffering from.

(29:03):
But they're trying to correlate both of them, and they're like,
there's nothing here now. Like I said, it's it's very
I guess it's possible in some kind of world that
it is that they all just so happened to have
a brain tumor. I think a lot of people. I
know two people in my immediate family that have benign
brain tumors that didn't even know they had it, right.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
So me, because I have a pituitary you but you
and I was under the impression that it was just
a genetic weird thing, like it wasn't from an environmental exposure.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's how it's not one hundred percent certain of that.
But it doesn't have a strong link like other things do. Now,
Like like I'm saying, like, you had a brain tumor,
we don't know how long you didn't even know it. Right,
My father in law gives me his scan for something
I don't even know what he was getting done somewhere
on his head and neck, and it's like, oh, there's

(30:00):
a one centimeter miningeoman the frontal lobe of your brain.
And I look at him and I'm like, did you
know you had a brain tumor? And he's like no.
And it's like a huge joke in our family now
because we're like, that's what's wrong with you. You have
a brain tumor. Right, So so anyway, like we were
just joking about that, but like people have things anyway.
But I'm assuming that if all these people got testing done,

(30:22):
like they must have been having symptoms it otherwise, like
how how would you even know that you had it? Right?
And I so I had a similar situation at my
last job, and my coworker, my old coworker, Jess could
can talk about this with me that we had a bet.
We were working in a newer hospital and the ventilation
system for the lab was bad. It was just really bad.

(30:45):
And obviously in the pathology lab we deal with formaldehyde
mostly alcohols too, but like formaldehyde is the biggest one
that you don't want to be breathing in and we
constantly like had burning face, burning eyes. The thing didn't work,
and then it was weird like at lunchtime we would
smell the exhaust from from them making burgers in the
lunch room that was way far away from our labs.

(31:06):
So strong. We were like, something's not right with the
ventilation system, and we brought it up. We had all
of these people come in all of the time. It
was just so ridiculous, and people were just like, oh,
we can't find anything, we can't find anything, and it's
just like it's it's just total bullshit. So I feel
terrible for these nurses working on the floor because they
basically are just told like, nothing to see here, move on.

(31:29):
And just because they didn't find anything doesn't mean that
there's nothing there. So they brought up lots of different
things that could possibly they had concerned about. They were
wearing a mask like twenty four to seven during the pandemic,
so they and of course like the CDC and all
these people are saying that there's no correlation that that
causes brain tumors, which which is possible, but like, they

(31:51):
also don't really have any long term studies of people
wearing a mask for years and years in a row
because that's not what it was designed forever, right, So
they don't have that evidence yet and they might just
start rearing it's ugly. Had now those things have chemicals
on them, I'm sorry, Like, and if you have them
on your face all day. They they definitely cause irritation
to the skin. Sometimes they've caused other people problems, So like,

(32:13):
I wouldn't one hundred percent roll that out. They had
to use some other kind of chemical to decontaminate the
N ninety five mass during the pandemic as well. Now
they're so they've ruled that out and said, like, no,
that's not happening. They checked the drinking water, they said
it was fine. They checked They said that there were
X rays one six hundred and sixty eight within the
past couple years on that floor with a portable X

(32:35):
ray machine, and they said even if a staff member
was present for every single one of those X rays,
they still wouldn't have been around enough radiation exposure to
cause a problem. Apparently there's a pharmacy below the below
the maternity floor that's making that's using ventilated systems for
some kind of chemicals that they're working on there. So

(32:56):
they've ruled everything out, and now all of these people
are working on Explore, and not just the nurses, but
all the staff that are working on the floor are
left with like, now what, I don't know?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
And I wouldn't accept this because I do think I
understand you're saying. It's like multiple forms. It's not like
everybody has the same exact kind, but it is eerie
to think about, and they must have been having symptoms.
I don't know this. This just bothers me because I'm thinking,
like I only found out about my thing because I

(33:28):
was getting blood work for something totally different and it
came up, and I just want to tell this story
really quick. So like I get my blood panel back
and I'm reading it, so I see like my prolactance high,
and then of course I'm like googling it and it's like, oh,
you might have a brain tumor, right, So I'm like, uh,
classic web MD.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I'm just gonna blow it off.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So then I send it to you and you're just
so casually like you have a brain tumor.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
It's fine, And I'm like, what are you talking about?
But it really is fun. Did you want me to
like like put your head on my bosom and like
hold you and tell you it was gonna be okay?
Like it's not cancer, They get treat you, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Your delivery of your medical diagnosis is like insane.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's why we call you doctor death. It was. If
it was serious, I would have been a little bit more.
It's just like like listen, like I'll tell you when
there's a problem, trust me. It's look, you're alive.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
So I was right, well, it's like really in my case,
it's really not a big deal at all. But like
for these people, I just I wouldn't be comfortable with
this investigation just being like, you know, there's nothing wrong.
And it seems like the Massachusetts Nurse Association is also
saying that their testing was not comprehensive and they're gonna
keep pushing for me. Yeah, and apparently the federal level

(34:48):
of OSHA is not even aware that this is going on.
So I would hope they're gonna, like the big guns
are gonna step in and try to.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
There was some I didn't look this up because I
just thought this. I just thought of this right now.
But do you remember that there's like all of these
cases of weird cancer. I think it's actually bringing tumors too,
being linked to the vet in in Philly, our old
Phillies and Eagles Stadium. Yeah, at the Veteran Stadium. Every

(35:18):
single person that had these tumors was either like related
they worked there or they somehow they linked it all
back to there, and I never I don't we should
actually like do a deeper dive into that because I'm
interested in that.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Like I believe a high profile death's a section. I
believe John Kruk had a cancer that was related to
the turf field from the Veterans.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, it was something about the turf. And then remember
they were like they were selling the turf on eBay
on eBay, like for a memory, and I was just like, yeah,
no thanks, I don't want that in my house. Yeah,
which whatever, like in a glass case, it's fine, but
it's just like bad juju or whatever. All right, let's

(36:00):
so let's do a high profile depth dis section on
that because I like that kind of stuff. Yeah. Have
you heard about these tattoos that are apparently they're like
semi permanent tattoos.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well, I've seen them circulating on social media, but I
just assume, like most things I see on social media,
that it wasn't true or people are just idiots for
like not understanding how tattooing works.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't know, like I I don't know where the
hell I've been. I just like, this is the first
time I've heard of it, and so I'm looking into
it and it's it's it's like they're doing a normal tattoo,
except they're using this other kind of ink that is
supposed to be able to be removed from your body easier.
And they're tattoos that are done that are only supposed

(36:48):
to last a year to one to three years, and
they're just supposed to fade away. I mean, I can't like,
so tattoo artists are doing this on people. I mean,
I guess, oh, if they're getting paid either way, right, well.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I guess this company called Ephemeral Tattoos created this specialized
ink that is designed to fade over time. So it's
this like, I guess it's on some level considered this
temporary tattoo.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
This is the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
But I'm thinking, like, why would you want to sit
through the pain of getting a tattoo if it wasn't
gonna be there forever it has to be causing scar tissues?
Or are people getting it thinking like, oh, maybe I'll
like it and it'll go away and I'll just get
another one right on top of that same exact area.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I guess in their testing and in their theory, they
think that if you if the tattoo artist delivers it
in the exact sweet spot of the dermist, so not
that epidermist is the top layer and then the dermist
is below that and the subcutaneous is below that. If
the tattoo artist puts it in the sweet spot, that

(37:53):
that's how it should last the amount of time, they say,
and it should go away. I like, it's it's just
so against This is why, like I wish I could
just take off all my tattoos and not be associated
with the culture anymore. I just like I hate it
so bad. It's just so different from what it was
when I started back in the nineties that like, I

(38:13):
want to be as far away from it as possible
because it because this dumb. This is just so dumb.
And I was telling you this in the car yesterday too,
Like I saw that there was some I don't know
if it was Shark Tank, but it was some kind
of company that's that's making a machine that you could
put pictures into and lay under it and have the
machine tattoo you and you don't have to have an

(38:35):
artist draw it and do it on you and stuff,
and I'm just kind of like, Okay, I'm over it.
I'm over the tattoo thing. Like, I'm just over it this,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
That machine is it absolutely idi like?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
But this is idiotic too, Like just why wouldn't you
just get one of those those hen of tattoos are
a sticker and just put it on if you weren't
ready for the commitment? I don't know. And what did
you think, like when it says it's it's made to fade, Like,
what did you think the faded away tattoo was going
to look?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Like? I don't think anybody that they interviewed or that
the people they were sourcing for this article that had
this tattoo done, I don't think any of them realized
exactly what that was going to be, because it seems
like when the company first came out, they were saying
the tattoos were gonna last nine to fifteen months, and
then they sent out like an update email that actually
they might last up to three years. And these people

(39:24):
that were interviewed for this article were saying that it
did look like a nice, fresh tattoo for the first
couple of months, but then as it started to fade,
it looked like they had a like a botch procedure done,
so to speak, or that they had some really shitty
lasering done. And the craziest part of this is one
girl did go to get it lasered and the lasering

(39:44):
place said we can't do it because that inks not
FDA approved to get lasered off.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I love that She's actually, yeah, that girl that got
interviewed is actually like the semi permanent tattoo is actually
worse than if I just got a real tattoo because
I at least able to get it removed. Like, think
about that. It's just like, listen, it's just like a marriage, right,
Like you really shouldn't go into it thinking that you're
going to get out of it right away. Right, Shockingly

(40:11):
a lot of people do so, Like, well, I get
I guess that that's why this makes sense. Then I
don't know. I'm curious and this company, it's it's interesting
for me because I'm sure they've made a ton of
money off of this. But like, and the reason that
I brought up the application is key because if you
put it more superficial, it's going to it's not going

(40:32):
to last as long. And if you put it into
the the subdervis or the subcutaneous tissue, Like it's going
to last way longer than three years. So my whole
thing is like, you're just giving this product to people
to use and like put in your name on it,
and if it's not applied right, like people are gonna
have a problem. And I feel like that could almost

(40:53):
be I mean, it could be lawsuit worthy because according
to what I looked at at their website, they were
just kind of like, Yeah, this is definitely gonna be
gone in three years. It didn't say like results may
vary there. They're like pretty certain it's gonna be gone.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It seems like now they're saying that results may vary
depending on the person. But like you're saying, they have
to put it in a sweet spot, so you have
to use a special tattoo gun that doesn't go no, but.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Like every tattoo artist is supposed to put it in
a sweet spot. But like ultimately, like that's a microscopic level,
and if you're a good tattoo artist, you know what
it feels like to be in the right area. But
I've certainly gotten tattoos. If you get blowouts, it goes
too deep, like it doesn't go deep enough. How many
times do you get tattooed and you just like have

(41:40):
to go back and get it touched up like some
And this is like normal stuff when you get tattooed
all the time by different artists and everything like that,
but it's very hard, like tattooing my skin versus tattooing
like a man with thick and like an older thick man,
or like pop Pop got his first tattoo and he
was like seven. Like there's just such a variety of

(42:02):
what's happening that like sometimes it's not always going to
be in the perfect sweet spot and that's probably what's
happening here. So now all of these people have these
like like poop blobs all over their skin, like just
like they look like they have like an actual skin
lesion or something, or just like a terrible tattoo. It's

(42:22):
just but like at the same time, before you do
something like that, you didn't think, like, hey, can we
see after pictures of what this looks like? Like I
don't know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I mean, I would just never even consider getting something
like this done, So I can't put myself in I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Why I'm like so shocked, like reading it today and
you I just was like, and you go to a
real tattoo artist and you pay the same amount. Like
it's just that I just don't even understand it. It's
just weird. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all.
Okay this this also doesn't make sense. Thai Thai restaurant
that's offering discounts for skinny people. Yeah, there's a restaurant

(43:01):
in Thailand that has this system of metal bars. It
kind of looks like a fence, but all the bars
are different withs, and depending on which with you fit
through is how much of a discount you get. So
if you get this, get through the thinnest one, which
I don't even think I could fit my head through,
you get twenty percent off, and then there's like a
fifteen percent off, ten percent off, five percent off, and

(43:23):
then there's you know, you just don't get anything for
free because I guess they deemed that you're too fat.
So yeah, there's there's what the widest set of bars
is like full price. Sorry. Yeah, So I mean like
I I was looking at that and I'm thinking, like
this is so all the people are saying it's discriminatory,
and it's just like, yeah, they don't they don't care,
like obviously, and they're doing it because like we're like

(43:47):
everybody's talking about this Thai restaurant that wouldn't got talked
about before, right, So it's just like a marketing thing.
But yeah, I can't even imagine really many women that
would even fit through the first one because just the boobs,
it's so skinny. Like even if you could fit your head,
because your head looks like it would just fit through, right,

(44:07):
So if you turn my head, I could fit through. Well,
you have like an extra big head, but like for
regular people head size, it would fit through. Yeah, I
don't know. Probably you would probably only get fifteen percent off.
I don't even think my.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Head would fit through the fifteen percent off. I'm going
with the ten to five. But yeah, I mean, they're
facing a lot of backlash online, but at the same time,
they have a really high rating on trip Advisor, so
people must think the food's pretty good. I'm actually making
a delicious tie dinner. I'm gonna make some tompkaw soup.
It's some nice fresh to make that. Yet I'm gonna

(44:42):
make it tonight.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
You never made it before. No, I'm curious what it
tastes like. Well, have you ever had it before? Yeah,
I've had it before at a restaurant, but I've never
made it before.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
So I'm gonna make a vegetarian version for myself because
I don't really like putting chicken in soup, but I'll
put shrimp and Ricky's. But yeah, it seems pretty good,
all right.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
So again, I have a personal autopsy story with a
similar situation with this next case. Yeah, so this mom
had been on this weight lost journey, and I guess
part of you know, fluctuating with weight is that your
hair could fall out. So she started taking these over
the counter supplements to help with her hair, her skin,
and her nails, and then she ended up going into
organ failure. So I had an autopsy years ago of

(45:28):
a person that was in a similar situation. She just
went to the hospital, was in full on liver failure,
died before they could even figure out what was going on.
We did the autopsy. Her liver was just look terrible,
like it's just so jammed up, and you know, it
looked so bad. It's probably one of the worst livers
I've ever seen. Honestly, and and and you know, you

(45:51):
show everybody in the lab and we all look at
it and say, like, Okay, something like really gnarly happened
to this lady, because like, what the hell happened to
her liver, because you don't see a liver that looks
like that every day, right, And sure enough, like when
we were investigating it and figuring out what caused her,
she had so she was having a cute liver failure
and it was toxicity from vitamins. And then we found

(46:14):
out that she was taking this salt palmetto extract that.
Normally that would be used for like male pattern baldness,
but she was having hair loss as well, and she
was taking it for that. And I don't know like
what was in it besides that, but I just know
that she had such high levels of that that that

(46:35):
is what caused her to have liver toxicity and it
killed her. And she was young. It was a crazy case.
And so when I read about this story in the
news this week, this this mother kind of was going
through the same thing. She's on a weight loss journey
and she lost a bunch of hair. She's probably on
ozembic because your hair falls out sometimes with that because
you're like lacking nutrients, protein and stuff like that or whatever,

(46:59):
Like your hair just falls out anyway because you're starting
to go through perry menopause and that's just a thing.
So she started just taking a lot of supplements to
supplement for the nutrient and she was losing and then
tip for her hair loss and hair and nail one,
and she started, like right after she started taking this
one for her hair and nails, she started noticing that

(47:21):
her eyes were yellow, like she was turning jaundice. She
went to the hospital. They first they thought she had
hepatitis or something and worked her up for that, and
then her doctor was like, have you started taking any
new medication And she was like no. And they were like,
did you start taking any new vitamins or supplements and
she was like yeah, and he's like, that's it. That's
what it is, nuts, right, Well.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I think a lot of people think, because supplements are
considered a more holistic approach, that there's nothing dangerous in them,
and they're often taking them because they could just buy
them at the store without consulting a doctor. And it's
just really interesting because I don't think a lot of
people that I don't know if all, but most supplements

(48:03):
are not FDA approve, so it's really concerning how people
just kind of pop them without a second thought just
because they think they're healthier.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, and I think because we were talking, i think
last week or two weeks ago about the ones that
are getting sold on Amazon and stuff which people are
having issues with because I mean, if you're getting it
from like a brand named place, you're probably more likely
to not have as many problems with it because it's
but not really that's even a lie, honestly, Like they

(48:34):
don't it's not FDA regulated, Like you don't know what
the hell is in this stuff, which is a problem,
and I think most people don't really have an issue
with it, but you could also take too much of it,
and it's just it's damaging. And there are other cases.
I'm going to try to look up some cases today
if there was any other autopsy reports, because we should

(48:56):
have wrote up that one for sure, because that was
a crazy one. But luckily they're able to help her out.
They also say sometimes that certain supplements could like start
exacerbating issues that were already there. So if she was
overweight for a large portion of her life. She might
have had some degree of like fatty liver or something

(49:17):
going on, and it could have just like aggravated that
condition that was going on a little bit more, or
or it just was like straight up toxic to her.
But she had said that it was a brand name,
common supplement that people use for hair and Naw, they
didn't say in this article the exact one.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well I think maybe they didn't because well, I don't know, Yeah,
I saw it on her TikTok what it was, so like,
I know it's what it was, Which.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Was that one in my cabinet?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
By No, it was just a hair, skin and nail
supplement from CBS. This is, of course, but she is
claiming we're not saying this definitely does it. She had
a weird complication from Yeah, but exactly. It is important
to check with your medical provider before taking anything.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I think yeah, and a lot of times too, like
they could interact with drugs. So when you go to
the doctor and they ask you what medicine you're on,
you really should tell them all that kind of stuff.
I think it's it's kind of crazy now with all
the gummies and everything, people are just taking like a
lot of stuff I used to. I feel like I
used to take a lot of supplements, right, And then

(50:22):
I sat there one day and said, like, this is
like one hundred and fifty dollars a month of all
this thirty dollars here, thirty dollars. It really is, right,
and then I just stopped taking all of them one day,
all of them, and like, I'm the same as I was,
like I never like I really never had one that
I'm like, this is life changing, except the one I
take this one around this time of year, the the

(50:44):
vitamin D because it's especially in New Jersey it's been
like gray since December, and then all of a sudden,
the stunt starts coming out, and you know, I got
that weird skin thing happening when it's like April May June.
I just if I have like my first real sun exposure,
I get like that crazy rash and everything. So I

(51:07):
started taking two of those a day, like around April
until the midsummer, and I you know, it's a combination
of other things, medications I'm on and things like that,
but I haven't had that bad rash in a couple
of years, so I'm like, maybe it works. I don't know,
but but like other than that, like, have you ever
taken a supplement that you're just like, oh my god,

(51:28):
like this is mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Well, I take this cortisol one that is for like,
I had really high cortisol and I started I was
recommended it by a doctor and I started taking it.
And I do feel like I haven't had such lingering
anxiety all the time, like I was having, like there
was a point it's a placebo you it could it
could be a place ebo.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
You don't know that because you don't live in my body.
So then I'm the next closest thing I think. I
I think it's all like it's kind of like the
biggest scam ever. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I was hearing a really good conversation on another podcast
this morning actually, where they were discussing how all these
all these holistic doctors will have you taking like four
hundred vitamins for mental health, Like in my case, I'm
taking this fun for anxiety, right, and that you don't
really feel better and you're taking all these things and
you're having to do stuff like do cold plunges and

(52:24):
go in asana and all this stuff so you don't
feel anxious all day but there's just like a pill
you could take every morning that makes you feel amazing
and you don't have to do all this stuff. And
I was cracking up because they were saying, like, everybody
criticizes Big Pharma, but nobody's criticizing Big Supplement, Like they're
kind of no, it's.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
True, it's true. It's it's like it's I'm telling you, like,
it's a scam. It's a lot, a lot of it
is a huge scam. And now especially their shit is
like blowing up because of social media because you see
videos all the time like you should really take magnesium,
you should really take.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
This, you should really and then all these people are like,
oh yeah, I should take that too, and all of
a sudden, it's like they're like those supplement companies are
like killing it right now, they're killing it.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I mean a couple of years ago, I had gotten
these supplements that were designed specifically for painful periods, and
like I took them for a year and let me
tell you, it did not make one fucking difference at all.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And they made how much and how much was it
a month? A lot? Like thirty bucks a month. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying like it adds up when you're
taking a lot of them, Like you're just like, wait
a second, this is like kind of a lot of
money here.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And I think some vitamins are really good, especially if
you have like deficiencies and you just need a little
boost of something. But like a lot of these ones
you see ads for and stuff, it's like you just
don't need it. It's okay, it's nuts.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Okay. So this guy decided that, you know, his stomach
curt and doctors weren't listening to him, so he decided
to go on YouTube and do surgery on himself.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I was just thinking about how ridiculous this is, because
when we decided to sert the podcast, I was like,
I'm gonna watch a couple YouTube videos to figure out
how to make the podcast, not how to do surgery
on myself. Oh, it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
YouTube university is like the best for so many things. Yeah, specifically,
remember when like some person parked their hooptie outside of
my house for weeks and weeks and we didn't know
who it was and it just was sitting there, and
then Gabe learned how to move the car up the street.
That was amazing. It was just like, oh, like how

(54:49):
to just like move a car that's parked in front
of your house. It was so amazing. It's like the
best YouTube university advertisement ever. But there's just there are
so many things that you go on there and like
like I had I usually get these young coconuts and
they brought me like the hairy one by accident when

(55:09):
I ordered my groceries, and I was like, oh, I
don't really know how to open this, but I want
to eat it because I've like I just never had one.
I eat them often, if especially like in New York
when they cooked them on the side of the street,
which is the best thing ever. But I you know,
you just like look a video and it shows you
how to do it real fast, and you're like, oh cool,

(55:29):
Like just like little things like that all the time.
So the podcast things like normal learn how to do
this and.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
That, embroidery to embroidery, but like, I don't know, doing
surgery on yourself.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
And I guess, I mean he wasn't looking at self
surgery videos. I'm supposing I think he was just looking
at other ones. But listen, like honestly, like it kind
of worked. He kind of did it. I mean, like,
I mean, listen, he's alive, so well I'm saying, like
he did it, and so let's say what he did. Okay,

(56:04):
So he's thirty two and he has a history of
he had appendectomy. He had his appendix removed fifteen years ago,
so when he was a kid he had that removed
or teenager, and he had stomach He had stomach pain
that he kept going to the doctor for and they
just were kept blowing them off and saying whatever, and

(56:26):
he was saying it was driving them nuts. So he
decided he essentially was going to do an exploratory laparotomy
on himself, which is he cut an incision in his abdomen,
on his abdominal wall to like look and feel inside
to see if he could see what was wrong to
remove it. Now, he probably he could have been having

(56:48):
pain because he could have had like a lot of
adhesions from the previous surgery, which is like scar tissue
because sometimes when you get your appendix removed, especially I
don't know if he had an open appendectomy or a
laparoscopic one, but like it causes a lot of scars
and it could cause the part of the bow to
like stick to the abdominal wall and it could just

(57:09):
cause pain. So that's more than likely what he had
going on. But he somehow like went to some market.
This was in another India or yeah, in India. In India,
he went to like a market and he got some
numbing stuff and he got a suit your kid, and
he got all this stuff. So he goes back to
his house and he starts doing it and like he

(57:30):
has no pain. But then the numbing stuff started wearing off,
and that's when he started like screaming in his room,
and his family realized that he was doing something weird
in his room. I'm not sure that you would ever,
you know, you hear your kids from time to time
scream from upstairs or something and running up there. You
wouldn't expect somebody to be doing surgery on themself. But
apparently he said he went inside, he didn't see anything.

(57:53):
He felt something abnormal on his stomach, he said, and
he tried to remove it and he couldn't, so he
sewed him self back up with eleven sutures and then
he started screaming in pain. Like I guess it all
like ow, like the numbing's wearing off and this this
has come this is all coming together now. So obviously

(58:14):
they immediately take him to the hospital. And the biggest
thing that you're scared of in that case is infection,
because god knows what was all over his hands, if
he was even wearing gloves, but they definitely probably weren't sterile,
and it's just really bad to introduce bacteria into there.
And who knows what he did, but I mean he
went in and he sewed himself up like old school,

(58:36):
like back in the day what they used to do.
It was pretty amazing ridiculous. So you know that there
was a guy, there's a doctor who like successfully gave
himself surgery back in the sixties.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Right, I've heard of this, but I just can't ever
fathom doing something well.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
So he was so he was like in the Arctic
or something on some kind of expedition and he he
was a surgeon, and he was having appendicitis and he
knew it and he was just like, if I don't
remove my appendix right now, I'm going to die. He
had no way to get to a hospital or a
doctor or anything like that, and he did it. Like

(59:13):
I can't even I can't even imagine like having that
conversation with a friend you're with or whatever. I don't know,
just like there's cases of people doing it though it's
it's pretty nuts, but it's cool, Like it's cool like
that it can be done, but I wouldn't suggest doing
it at home. And honestly, like in this case, like

(59:34):
I know that the most frustrating thing ever is to
not hear like have your doctor take you seriously, but
like taking matters into your own hands is is you
should kind of check someone's mental status right to do
something like this.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Definitely, this next story sounds like it's something that's gonna
be on that show.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
It's Florida, man.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Remember I wrote that article about that guy that got
hired to cut off the guy's toes yet them. So
this couple basically, you know, they're they're feeling it coming on.
They're hot and bothered, and they just had to pull
over in front of this cemetery that had locked gate.
They hopped over the fence and then they started having
sex on a grave of course, grave number forty three,

(01:00:14):
Grave number forty three specifically, so this was a historic
cemetery and I guess regular, I guess nobody was just
allowed to go in there without permission. So this cop
comes across the parked car and the windows are rolled
down and he's like, okay, I don't see anybody. So
he starts snooping around and finds them having sex, and
then he also found some meth OxyS and Xanax.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
And their stars math involved in this story. Really, the
best part of this story was that the author of
this article wrote titled it bone Yard, and then and
then they wrote they were they thought they were being
dead sexy, Like, oh my god, it's so some of
these articles are just written so funny. So I was like,
I got a kick out of that bone Yard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
And this next one is local to us, which it's
totally unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
This one is really outrageous. The video is so outrageous. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So this family is burying their loved one at a
local cemetery in North Philly, and as the pallbearers are
bringing the casket to the burial site, the platform collapses.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
And they all fell in the hole with the casket.
Oh my god, it's so it's so disturbing. Like you
see all of these guys in they're really nice suits
carrying this really nice casket and it falls, Like how
traumatizing on so many levels, but they actually got hurt.
I mean, well, how.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
How could you not get hurt? I mean, caskets are
so heavy, that's why they have to have like six
grown men carrying them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
They're a casket could be like one to three hundred
pounds without a body in it, and the body is
literal dead weight, right, so they're all carrying it and
I mean between that, so that probably right there is
close to it could be four to five hundred pounds
just the casket, and then each one of those dudes

(01:01:59):
could be like, you know, one fifty to two hundred
plus pounds. That so much weight, like they need to
consider that there's going to be one thousand pounds standing
on wherever they were standing, and it was like a
wet piece of plywood or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, so they all got injured, and one guy in particular,
the casket basically fell right on top of him and
then it pushed his head into the mud. So I'm
sure there was like a second where he's getting crushed
by the casket and then he's probably suffocating on top
of it. It's absolutely like this is unforgivable and unacceptable
to me that this happened.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
This is definitely like lawsuit worthy in my opinion, and
not surprised that it happened in North Billy, Like, yeah,
the corners that get cut at some of these funeral
homes are just like, come on, dude. Yeah, And the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Family was saying that it was wobbly and the wood
was wet and soaked so the ground if it had
been raining, I'm sure the ground was soggy too and slippery,
so it clearly just wasn't set up correctly. And how
many funerals happen a day, we don't hear about this
ever happening.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
No, it's it really, it's it's upsetting because the guys
are they look nice, they're in their suits like they're mourning. Whoever.
I mean, if you're carrying the casket, you're like one
of the inner circle, right yeah, I mean just think
about that. The family's all watching. It's just it's just
like ridiculous. You know, when someone dies, and and funeral
homes have huge responsibilities because when someone dies, the last

(01:03:24):
thing you want to do is inflict even more pain
on them than they're already going through.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
So is that who sets it up. Is it the
funeral home or the cemetery that sets up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I don't, well, what for the actual I don't really
know act at the gravesite.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I guess I'm just curious, like who actually sets up
the system which lowers the casket and the platform and everything.
I would think that that's more of the cemetery thing,
to be honest, But I don't know what association the
funeral home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Has with it too. But I really don't know, Like
that's not I like, once the funeral hum picks a
body up from the hospital, I have no idea really
what happens after that, like just from talking to friends
and things like that, but like that's not my thing.
I don't know if you saw this either, but on
the news video of this at the very end, they

(01:04:17):
were saying that the damaged wood that broke through was
just like thrown off to the side after they completed
the burial. So I'm like, okay, so they had to
go through this horrific thing and then you're just gonna
leave it a mess at the gravesite. It's just so disrespectful. Yeah,
it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
All right, Let's move on to questions of the day.
Every Friday at the at mother nos Death Instagram account,
You guys could head over to our story and ask
us whatever you want. First, what are the differences between
a PA and an autopsy tech.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Well, a PA is a pathology a pathologist assistance. That's
what I am, and so we have to have a
bachelor's degree. At a master's degree, the master's program specializes
in pathology, so it's similar like you guys probably go
to the doctor and have a physician assistant, while we're
like a physician assistant to the pathologist. So we have

(01:05:08):
a whole entire different program than the physician's assistants do
because we're dealing with organs and dead people in anatomy
more than that they would be. So we have to
just learn a whole different way of doing things than
they would do because we don't take care of live patients,
so we don't really have any emphasis on pharmacy or
anything like that because like we're not giving patients medications,

(01:05:30):
and it's just a different it's just a totally different field.
So when we do the autopsy, we could do the
autopsy by ourself, and a pathologist always has to really
be there. Technically, they don't have to be in the
room with us, but they have to be on the
case because they're the ones that are going to look
at the microscopic slides that we take from them. But

(01:05:52):
we're we have more authority to do the whole thing
by ourself without having anybody there present because we're trained
to do it, and autopsy tech is a little bit
different they are, so they will eviscerate basically, they'll take
care of the more ex ceta for the autopsy and
they'll evisceraate so they could make the incisions and take

(01:06:13):
the organs out, but really they're not trained to know
what they're looking for. There always should be a pathologist
or a PA with them to watch what they're doing,
just because they're not allowed to take out all the
organs and then like go tell the doctor hours later
what they saw. They just don't have that educational requirement

(01:06:34):
to be able to do that. That particular position used
to be called the deaner back in the day. I
don't know if anybody's ever heard of that position, but
now I think they call it an autopsy tech. So
they're usually just side by side, especially like in medical
examiner's offices and stuff, because sometimes in bigger offices there

(01:06:55):
could be multiple bodies lined up in a row. And
then this way the doctor could just be there and
like go body to body, but not have to do
all of the heavy lifting and dirty work basically all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Next, in homicide cases where they used a weapon, did
they leave it in the body if it's stuck, Yes,
they would, they would, they would leave it in the body.
So for example Ellen Greenberg, well, so I don't know,
because I don't believe that the boyfriend pulled the knife out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Right, I don't. I don't remember that case. But Ellen Greenberg,
she was one of the high profile death disseections that
we've covered, and when she died, she had a knife
lodged in her chest. Still, so under normal circumstances, if
no one removes it at the scene, which which a
regular person should never do that anyway, they would bring
the body to the medical examiner's office and then they

(01:07:51):
would they would leave every everything gets left in place.
And that that's for anything like let's say a person
got impelled by something and died. You would want to
leave as much as possible for them to examine, just
so they could really clearly document the injuries and exactly
what caused the person to die. Sometimes obviously you couldn't because,

(01:08:12):
like I don't know, if it's like a huge fence
at Stepta, you can't bring it with you, you know
what I mean, like things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
But all right, last, what do you guys typically do
on a day off?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You want to go first?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, I mean most of the time it's boring, like
I'll catch up on my like I'll clean my house
or do chores or meal prep or something like that.
If it's like a nice day out, I like to
go out and go shopping. Not shopping like for clothes.
I just like to like go to a vintage Doore
or bookstore and get a nice coffee or just like
do something and walk around because when I'm in my

(01:08:50):
house all day like makes you stare crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
So like Maria's like get such like a towny, like
she she likes going all these towns and like trying
every little coffee shop and little shops and stuff like that.
That's like that's her thing all the time, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
The coffee we had on Sunday at that place on
Rowan's campus was pretty delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, it was good. I got to match it and
it was good. Yeah, And I don't really I mean,
I don't have an exciting life either, trust me. I
cook when like I take like hours to cook though,
Like I like to cook really good meals, especially like
on Sunday. Now that it's getting warmer out, I'll be guarding,
so I'll be outside, like making my outside look awesome.

(01:09:32):
For a couple of months. We go to Phillies games.
They started. We didn't even go to one yet, but
that's we have partial season, so we go, all of us,
our whole family goes a lot and just like go
We go down the shore too. In the summer. Like
in the winter, it's kind of like whatever, do projects
around the house and stuff. Nothing that exciting. We do movies,

(01:09:54):
TV shows. Yeah, we're not very fun. We're not nothing
crazy going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
No, I laugh because you know when we do the show.
For example, today, I'm like, I'm wearing like a nice
top for the show, but I'm wearing like pajama possums
right now. That's like, that's like what happens like when
I work from home, I look like a total slob
and then I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I think it's just just like really funny. I have,
like I don't know if I've ever told you guys this,
but I have like a I hate when people wear
pajamas like in public. And it's like one of my
pet peeves that I can't now that's so surprising that
you don't like that. It's seriously, is just oh my god,
it annoys me so like every single day when I

(01:10:41):
wake up, I get dressed like the pajamas after nine
o'clock or like, no, I just I'm not tolerant of
it out in public.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I mean, I wouldn't wear my pajama pants out in public.
But if I'm just gonna be in the house all day,
then it's the same.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Thing as like the rule about making your bed every day, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I certainly don't do that. Yeah, it's you should. Though
there's like lots of studies done that show that people
are more productive that make their bed every day. It's
like it's pretty productive, so listen, it sets off a
cascade in your mind and you don't even know it.
Like once you do that, if you wake up and
do that, then it's like you've already accomplished something for

(01:11:24):
the day. And they their studies have said that it
leads to doing more tasks throughout the day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I'm just sure. I mean I do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I do a lot of tasks during the day, so
I don't feel I'd like to add putting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I'd like to add putting clothes onto that too. You do, actually,
So I'm not going to give you too much shit
because you you are a productive human. But I'm just
thanks just putting it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Thanks for putting your criticisms aside for me. It's just
so nice, all right, guys, don't I mean if you
ever tried to go in public, I would I would
not allow it, or I would not do that because
I don't do that, so like it's not even a
concern for me, So all right, well whatever, Thank you
guys so much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Thanks guys, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without

(01:12:35):
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, My
website and social media accounts are designed to educate and
inform people based on my experience working in pathology, so
they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the

(01:12:55):
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