April 3, 2025 • 32 mins
On today’s MKD, we get into the death of Val Kilmer, a disemboweled bystander, and Epstein Accuser, Virginia Giuffre's, car accident.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Actor Val Kilmore has
died and we are going to get into his cause
of death and also the cancer he.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Was living with.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're also going to get into a crazy story about
someone who made a homemade canon.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Like what could possibly go wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Right, We're going to talk about Virginia Jeffrey's bizarre post
saying that she had days to live. Let's start off
with Val Kilmore. This was a bummer this week.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Right, Yeah, I really I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I guess I haven't been keeping tabs on him, but
I didn't really know he was sick. So when my
husband told me yesterday that he died, I was pretty
shocked because he's young. He's only sixty five years old.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He's most How do you think that he was wearing
that what would you call that?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
As caught?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, I haven't really I just said I haven't been
keeping tabs on him. I haven't really seen pictures of
him in the last couple of years. And I guess
he was in the latest Top Gun remake and he's
wearing a scarf in that movie, but I just wasn't
paying attention to it. But he was young, and they're
saying he died from pneumonia, all.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right, so he had I kind of was not talked
about this at all when I heard it, because as
soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, yeah,
there's been a long history with him. So apparently he
felt a lump in his neck back in two thousand
and fourteen or twenty and fifteen, and he kind of
waited a while to get treatment of it because he's
(01:45):
a Christian scientist. Did you know that, Oh no, so
interesting thing about Christian scientists, don't I really never had
heard of them. And when I was rotating at the
Medical Examiner's office, we actually had a case of a
little kid that ended up getting pneumonia two year old,
(02:06):
and her parents wouldn't treat her because they were Christian scientists,
and apparently they believed that diseases and ailments are errors
of the mind, and they really give precedence to spiritual
healing rather than modern medicine. And obviously I'm telling you
this story from the Medical Examiner's office, which means that
this kid died and the parents actually got charged with homicide.
(02:30):
Because the medical examiner rolled it a homicide because she
wasn't treated for something that could have been treated.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, now that you bring that up, I'm curious how
that plays into religion because there's a lot of religions
that believe that. Yeah, and it is it is an
interesting theory because I did once also have an autopsy
on a woman who is postpartum that was bleeding due
to complications with the delivery, and they were Jehovah's witness.
(02:59):
The husband refused blood products for her and she ended
up dying. And she didn't have to die. She died
because she didn't get a transfusion. So it is interesting,
and I'm honestly like, I really just don't know how
that works, because ultimately that's a little bit different. You're
(03:20):
in charge of yourself, so you can make the choice
if she had had that in writing that she didn't
want the blood.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Products, like, that's her choice. But with the being and
the same with val kilmorph he didn't want to get
treatment of his cancer, that's his choice. But when you're
talking about raising a child and not doing an intervention
because of religion, then I mean in the case that
I dealt with, it was considered to be a homicide.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, yeah, now that you're saying all that, I do
think maybe the religious laws should be a little lax
when it comes to minors that can't make decisions for themselves.
When you're an adult, that's a whole different story. But
I agree those rules should not apply when it's little
kids that are sick, especially when it's something that's preventable.
Let's start off first by talking about what this lump
(04:07):
ended up being. So he has said that he was
diagnosed with throat cancer. Now what is throat cancer. Your
throat is a very complex area which consists of the
back of your throat, which you would think if you
looked in the mirror, so your tonsils, your uvula, the
back of your tongue that would be considered the upper
part of your throat, and then the lower part of
(04:29):
your throat would be considered your larynx. So I'm not
really sure exactly where this tumor originated because he's saying
that he felt a bump in his neck, and that
could quite possibly be just a lymph node that had
the cancer spread to it, So it's not I'm not
one hundred percent sure where it originated. From but most
(04:51):
of the time in the oropharynx, which you would think
is the back of the throat. What you think about
looking in the mirror. Those cancer a sixty to seventy
percent of the time are caused.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
By the HPV virus. So that's the majority of those cases, right,
So how do you get HPV? It's a sexually transmitted infection,
the same exact way you would get it in your
badge or on your penis or anything like that. And
the reason that this is becoming so prevalent now is because,
especially with younger people, they don't consider oral sex to
(05:25):
be sex. So sometimes you could even speak with people
and say that they would never have sex without a condom,
but they would have oral sex without any protection. And listen, like,
if you think about giving someone oral sex with either
a condom on or a dental dam, do you know
what a dental dam is?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Really, it's nice because I'm sitting here like, well, how
is this even possible that you're doing it? Like on
a femail.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
In particular, they sell these things called dental dams, which
are basically a square piece of a latex type of
material similar to a condom, and it's it's like performing surgery.
You have to take this thing out of the package.
Like have you ever taken latee You probably haven't, but
at all topsy. When we use like legit surgical gloves,
(06:16):
when you take them out of the package, they have
this like fine talk powder on them, so they don't
stick together, right, So you have to take this dental
dam out of the package and then you have to
rinse it off to get the powder off of it,
and then you have to dry it off, and then
you have.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
To put lube.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
They recommend you put lube first on the vulva and
then you put the dental dam on top of it,
and now you're ready.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
To have oral sex.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And it's nobody's doing that exactly. So this is this
is where it comes in when you're like, okay, well,
how could you prevent that? And this is where the
HPV vaccine is important. And I'm not like one of
these like vax pusher people, but I have a lot
of experience with this particular virus because I was a
(07:01):
cytotechnologist before I was a PA, and I looked at
pap smears all day long, which just are HPV HPV.
So it's something that's always kind of freaked me out
and something I definitely thought that I never wanted to have,
because not only is it responsible for vaginal vaginal cervical
vulvar cancers in females, it could cause penile cancers and men,
(07:24):
but that's definitely not as common. It could cause anal cancer,
but it also could cause throat cancer, and like, nobody
wants this because when we tell you the hell that
this guy went through, you're gonna see why. So the
HPV virus a lot of people get. It's just the
most common sexually transmitted infection, and most people's immune system
(07:45):
kind of gets rid of it on its own. But
if you get certain strains of the virus, then they're
the ones that can lay dormant for years and then
all of a sudden they come back and start changing
the cells, and then they start looking pre cancerous, and
then they look cancerous. Oh, cervical cancer and females used
to be the number one killer of women back in
(08:05):
the day, and then they started doing pap smears and
stuff and just checking women all the time. This is
what a cytotechnologist does, is look at pap smears and
they were able to say, okay, if we screen these
women once a year, we'll be able to see that
there's changes inside of the cervix and then we'll be
able to catch it when it's pre cancers instead of
(08:26):
full blown cancer. And of course that's evolved over time
because now we have DNA technology and they're able to
tell if a person's carrying the high restrain or not.
And these tests are all done when you go get
a PAP smere So now they don't have to look
at it under the microscope every single year because they
know if you have this the higher restraints or not,
and they'll monitor those people accordingly. But ever since these
(08:49):
screening things have happened, the risk of cervical cancer in
females has dropped so much that it's like it's not
even on the radar anymore how it used to be.
But the problem is now with throat cancer because this
could happen in both male and females. How are you
going to do a PAP smear of someone's throat and
(09:10):
check for these atypical changes. So it's just it's invasive, right,
So they haven't come up with like a PAP smear
screening for the throat.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yet so and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Unfortunately, when you present with this kind of cancer, it's
like he, like Val Kilmour was saying, I have a
family member that actually had a cancer like this too.
You present with a giant lump in your neck and
that's already like late, it's already full blown cancer and
possibly has even spread to a lymph note at that point.
(09:41):
So of course the treatment is just going to be
a lot more you know, aggressive to take care of that,
rather than if you see atypical cells on a PAP smear,
you would just you could just cut them out a
little bit and leave the person intact, and sometimes that's enough.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
To make it go away.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So finally he tells family like, hey, I'm not getting
this treated because I'm a Christian scientist and blah blah blah,
and they convinced him, no, you're going to get this done,
and he eventually agreed to getting it done. So, like
I said, I'm not really sure if he had tonsil
cancer or if he had it at the back of
his tongue or wherever he had cancer. But what they
(10:18):
do is sometimes if the tumors consider to be not operable,
which means that them taking it out is too close
to major structures or it just would be too much
of a surgery, and they think that they could shrink
it with chemotherapy and radiation. They often choose that. And
the good thing about having an HPV based cancer is
(10:40):
that it's very it responds very well to treatment as
opposed to people that get throw cancer from smoking. So
that's the good thing. But the bad thing is is
whenever you radiate an area like that, radiation causes a
lot of scarring and it causes damage to the area,
(11:01):
and it's really it's really brutal, especially having had a
family member that went through this treatment. I mean, it
leaves burns in your throat, you can't eat, you lose
a lot of weight. It's it's like really terrible. And
think about like one thing, even if you feel shitty
or whatever, like one thing always makes you feel better
is having a good meal, and then all of a
(11:21):
sudden you lose your taste and you it's really terrible.
And during that treatment it could damage your vocal cords too,
and your.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Ability to speak.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So he had a procedure done called the tracheostomy, which
is when they put a hole inside of your throat,
So no longer are you using your nose and your
mouth to breathe, but you're breathing out of this hole.
And the reason they do that is number one, because
of scarring, because of the treatment, but also if the
tumor is so big, it might block your airway, so
they're kind of bypassing it so you could still get
(11:55):
air into your lungs. And a tracheostomy also another thing
that you never want to have if you don't have
to have. So he, like I was saying earlier, he
wore an ascot every day because he was hiding that
whole that.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He had in his neck.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He recently had a documentary that he made within the
past couple of years, if anybody really wants to check
it out, because in that documentary he talks about it.
But when there's damage, so when they put this tracheostomy
tube in between that and the treatment, you could have
damage to the vocal cords, and that really affects your
ability to speak, which is another terrible side effect. He's
(12:32):
actually been quoted as saying that the treatment for this
cancer was worse than the actual cancer, which many people
who have.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Cancers is going to say that.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean that's a common thing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So these people are able to speak. Sometimes there's different things.
There's a thing that you could call the speaking valve
that you could block off the hole so when the
error is coming out of the lungs, that could kind
of be pushed up and redirected more up through the
vocal cords, but the voice will be very weak sounding.
(13:05):
And I guess he was able to do that because
when he did the latest movie that you were saying earlier,
the Top Gun movie, a lot of people were speculating
that they used AI for his voice, and really it
was his voice, they just kind of digitally enhanced it
so it sounded better because he basically probably has like
a very hoarse whisper that is difficult to come out,
(13:27):
so they just kind of clarified it a little. There's
also this thing that's called an electro larynx, and you've
seen that, right, Like, I feel like the guy that
used to run the softball league had one, remember.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, our umpire head.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, and he used to talk on the microphone like
opening day and stuff, and he had one. So it's
it's this battery operated device that detects vibration. When a
person that has it either doesn't have vocal cords or
vocal cord paralysis due to treatment or whatever, speaks it
pay upt this vibration and it allows them to talk,
(14:03):
but it sounds very electronic and course kind of it's
it's definitely not the person's voice, but you're allowed to
at least communicate your words through a voice in that situation,
and I believe that he used one of those in
the documentary as well. So the bottom line is, so
(14:24):
this didn't kill him, right, he survived. I think in
twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, he said that he
had no he was cancer free, which you know I've
said a million times I don't like that term. But
there was no evidence that he had any cancer. So
his cancer was well under control and treated. But the
problem is is that when you have a hole in
your neck like that, and the air is bypassing your mouth,
(14:47):
which is your first line of defense for any kind
of infections to come in, Like your tonsils are like
a filter that catches a lot of that stuff, and
then you also have saliva that has antibiotic property in
it as well, Like you're bypassing all that stuff in
the air, this dry air is going directly into your lungs.
So because of that, people that have traits are at
(15:08):
an increased risk of lung infections. And ultimately, that's what
his daughter is saying, that's how he died, is from pneumonia,
which is common in these patients.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I kind of think it's amazing that you have this
religion your whole life where you don't get medical treatment
and you could live until sixty five, because I just
feel like there's so many things before that that could
take you out that are treatable.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, I mean I guess in theory when he got diagnosed,
he was only fifty five ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, it's it is true.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean sometimes I just read a story of somebody
recently that had that was sixty something and said they
weren't on any medication and they didn't have any high
blood pressure or this or that, and you're like, that's
kind of in America, that's like kind of amazing in
this day and eight.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, it's one of those things like once you start
it's like yeah, and we know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
And we know that like there's been a couple of
times that physicians have wanted to put me on high
blood pressure medicine and I'm kind of.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Like, eh, that And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's like once you're on it, like it's just not
really great to go on and off those types of things.
And a lot of times those drugs lead to other
complications and then you need another drug for that. And
it's like, we know, there's like a huge people on
way too many drugs in this country, like prescription medications.
So it is, it is interesting, but I think a
lot of things, I mean certain things like let's say
(16:37):
you have diabetes, for example, you have to have insulin.
There's no praying that's going to make that go away.
But but there's other things that like especially antidepressants and
this and that, like you just don't a lot or
you probably even say most people don't really need to
be on you just but it's a quick fix to
put someone on medications a lot of the time. So yeah,
(16:59):
that's really cool. But let's all right, So we're done
with val kilmore for now unless more information comes out.
And also in the gross room next week, we're going
to write a high profile death disseection about this to
get more in depth with like what this might have
looked like inside of his throat and what the treatments
look like more in detail. So I think that'll be
(17:19):
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Speaker 3 (18:08):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, So I'm listening to the radio yesterday and
the local New Jersey radio, and I hear this story
which I guess happened a while ago, and they just
got charged or something, or just got went to court
over this.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, so a father and son are facing jail time
after they fired a homemade cannon which left a bystander disemboelled.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's out, it's so outrageous. So they made a homemade
canon and then they brought it to a local park
and they made it explode. Whatever they were doing with
this canon, it caused shrapnel to go seventy five feet
away from the device into multiple houses. And this guy,
(18:57):
this thirty four year old guys just standing there and
this shrapnel just comes through the wall and cuts open
his like his abdominal wall, and his intestines literally fell
out of his body. And luckily, like I don't know
if it was his family or there were people there
that were able to call nine when one went right
away and they metevacked him to the nearest trauma center.
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But he had to have ten surgeries in three weeks
because of this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I mean, I'm surprised, Like, how do you even survive
something like this When you're reading an article that's like
I got struck by shrapnel and my intestines are falling out.
I can't even believe these people end up being survivors
at the.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
End of it well it you know, it seems very
it seems very gruesome, but your abdominal wall is just
is holding your organs in from spilling out. So all
it is is like a really thick blanket that's covering them,
keeping them inside. So if that blanket opens up, they're
gonna spill right out. And as long as they're still
(19:59):
attached to the mesentry, which is the blood supply to them,
you could kind of just stick them right back in.
Oftentimes they do surgeries when they cut someone open to
do let's say a pancrea surgery or something, and when
they make that large incision, they'll take the intestines out
and just kind of push them to the side because
they're attached. I'm just trying to think of. You know,
(20:21):
the intestines are like a hose mouth to anus is
just one two basically that's all crinkled up inside. But
the back of them, where the blood supply comes in
to feed them oxygen, is all attached to back towards
the spinal cord, so they're kind of just like freely
floating off even though they are attached at that point.
(20:42):
So as long as that point is there and they're
still getting blood and oxygen. It's it's not really hurting
them at all, which sounds weird. But I don't know
if the shrapnel like actually cut open the bowel, because
then you have problem if you cut open that hose,
that poop is going to start leaking everywhere and then
you or if you hit a blood vessel too, that
you could bleed out. And there's definitely complications with it.
(21:05):
But I've seen a lot of injuries where a person
just had an injury to the abdomens, so your abs
where you would work out and stuff, there's just a
hole going into your abdominal cavity and the intestines pop out,
but like they can go to the hospital and get
them popped back in and sew it up and be
totally fine. So the reason that he had ten surgeries,
(21:28):
I'm assuming is that it was a little bit more
than just his abdominal wall being cut open. He probably
had the bowl leakage like I was saying, and then
get infection. It's just it's a mess because that abdominal
cavity should be sterile, and once there's poop in there,
forget it. There's like you're introducing all of these bacteria
into a sterile space, and they might have to keep
(21:50):
opening you up to cut you out, and all of
these antibiotics and this and that. It's just freaking scary, right,
Like you're just sitting in your house and a piece
of shrap comes through the wall when you're living in
the burbs in New Jersey, Like, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, these people had a history of causing public disruptions,
as this article is saying. So in twenty nineteen, the
father in this case had been arrested after they found
four devices in his house. I guess police got tipped
off after a mysterious package filled with fireworks was found
at a Labor Day parade, which prompted them to search
his home. Both the father and son have pleaded guilty
(22:26):
to criminal mischief and they're facing jail time. The dad
seems to be facing more jail time with six years,
probably because he has an arrest history, and this son
is facing time because because he's a horrible influence on
his kid. Yeah, like that's like the weirdest father son
activity ever.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So this Virginia Guffrie go Frey, how do you say
her name?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
This story is so freaking bizarre. Yeah, So for those
of you who don't know, she's one of Jeffrey Epstein's
most notable accusers. She also has said that Prince Andrew
was wrapped up in the whole scandal and that he
assaulted her. This is this is alleged, they keep saying
in the articles. But she was in a lawsuit with
(23:10):
Prince Andrew and he settled. So is it still alleged.
I'm not really sure how that works. Anyway. She posted
the other day on Instagram that she got in a
really bad car accident and she was given only four
days to live. But the police are saying that there
was an accident, but there was no reported injuries, and
now people are questioning what is going on at all.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
When I first saw the story, because everybody's posting it
on Instagram, right.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I was thinking like this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I just thought this is very weird because obviously people
get in car accidents all the time and die a
couple days later. That's a normal thing that happens. But
usually it's like the person has injuries that were so
bad and they're in the ICU and they're intubated, and
their family is making a post like, oh, we're gonna
(23:59):
have to take them off like support tonight, like this
is it? I was thinking, like, how is this woman
totally fine right now to be posting a selfie and
writing herself that she's going to die in four days
after a car accident. I just thought it was I
just thought it was very unusual. And then to say
(24:21):
that she went into kidney renal failure. But like why
after an accident you're thinking an accident causes blunt trauma.
It just it didn't really add up to me. And
of course, like listen, if a person's laying there in
a bed and bruised up and saying they got in
an accident, they're going to die, Like who am I
to question it? I'm not the kind of person that's
(24:43):
going to call the police department and say did this
really happen?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
But apparently like people did that and this is how
this all came out. Well, I just want to say, first,
I understand it's weird to make an Instagram post, but
I also think that you know, like if something happened
to me, you have access to my Instagram account and
you could post a picture of me in the hospital
bed and write a caption. I understand it's bizarre that
(25:09):
it's in first person, but you don't know if that's
what they were trying to do. I was thinking that
at first, but apparently her family has come out after
and said that she thought she was posting it to
a private Facebook group, so I don't know what that's about.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And then the whole accident thing is just very weird.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But the thing is is that she posted it, so
she was fine enough to take a selfie and post it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's just like.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
When you're given days to die like that, you're not
totally fine, and then all of a sudden they're saying,
like you're dying in two days, Like that just doesn't
happen like that. Do you understand, Like it's just like
if you're if they're giving you days to live, it
(25:54):
means that you're almost dead. You're not. You're not taking
selfies and posting. So I don't know if I'm being
clear or not that it doesn't make any sense. It's
just bizarre.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Listen, I understand what you're saying, but like the whole
situation's weird. She's saying that a school bus slammed into
her car when she was making a turn. Some people
are saying that the police were called and they said
nobody was available to come to the scene and if
anybody was hurt, to go to the hospital, which then
we're saying that she did go to the hospital, and
somebody confirmed she was. They're saying a source, So we
(26:27):
don't know who the source is, but a source has
said she was in the hospital but was definitely not
in life threatening condition.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I mean, if no.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Cops responded to the scene, how could they confidently say
nobody was injured.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, I guess they said that the car only sustained
two thousand dollars worth of damage, and she had said, like,
I guess she initially maybe didn't think that she was
injured that bad. And and then I mean, listen, like,
I don't know how things work where this accident was.
We're in Australia, but let's say this, like, if there's
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not enough resources, it's like if you're on the road
and you get in a fender bender, right, if they
have limited resources, they're gonna be like, all right, we're
not sending an ambulance out because we can't. But if
you called and were like a person got ejected out
of a vehicle, they're going to send an ambulance. So
based upon the call at the time, they didn't think
(27:26):
that it was necessary that they even needed to send
an ambulance at all for her. And she went later
and listen, that happened to me once I got in
a car accident. I mean, my air bag deployed and all,
but I didn't really feel like I had to go
in the ambulance when they showed up.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And then a.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Day later, my neck hurts so frickin' bad, Like it
was so so bad, and I had such a bad
headache and it was probably just like whiplash or whatever.
But I actually went to the hospital because I was like,
I hope, like nothing's wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I was just in a car accident yesterday, so let
me get checked out. So, I mean, that's not out
of the realm of possibility, but it's like if she
was in an accident that they're saying was less than
two thousand dollars worth of damage and there was no
air bag deployment, and the actual bus driver was interviewed
and was just like, yeah, like this she wasn't hurt
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at all. How did she get these crazy bruises on
her face? That's like one thing that's just super bizarre
to me. And the thing that's the weirdest part about
this source that they keep saying is like it sounds
like somebody that's working in the hospital. That's the source,
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which is really fucked up. Like they're saying the source
has knowledge of the situation and says that she's a
current impatient at the hospital, was not in a life
threatening condition. She does have the bruises shown in the
social media picture, but according to the source, has not
told the hospital what caused those injuries. Like, doesn't that
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sound like someone that works there or was treating her.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, I think the whole situation's really bizarre. I mean,
I just feel like the police saying, well, there was
no reported injuries is kind of ridiculous when they didn't
even show up to make an official report, and like
you're saying, you could very easily think you're fine that
day and then have to go later. I think the
extent of her injuries is very confusing. I think because
(29:26):
of the weirdness of the story. I was looking at
the comments under her Instagram post and now a lot
of people are like.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Are questioning the Jeffrey Epstein thing.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, they're questioning the Jeffrey Epstein thing. But let's let's
you know, remember that he was convicted for prostitution charges
in two thousand and eight, So like everybody could chill out,
like I know, you still did what he did.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's still like listen, if someone's faking this, then like
you have to question other things because it's a certain
person that fakes cancer and a certain person that fakes
assaults and things. I'm just putting it out, are you
so people aren't dick heads for like, yes, again, it's
totally possible that this this poor woman was traumatized her
(30:09):
young adult life and now she's just like lost and
feeding for attention or having mental health issues.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean, the conspiracies are gonna be all over. You
could say she got in this accident, and then you
could think that all these mega rich people wrapped up
in this Epstein scandal are like paying somebody to like
try to get her killed or beat her up or something,
and she doesn't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm just seeing all these crazy conspiracies like all over
the internet, and we're just not going to really know
what happened. I mean, I haven't seen any reports that
she that she has passed away or anything yet.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So because she's she's not.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, like, and is this credible source from the hospital,
the same person tell her where she's gonna die in
four days?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
There was something nobody told her she was dying in
four days. That's that didn't happen. So she So there's
a story out recently that says something about this happened
like days after she violated some kind of family restraining
order or something. And I don't even know what that's about.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Oh I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, so so there'll be more to common. We'll we'll
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Actor Val Kilmore has
died and we are going to get into his cause
of death and also the cancer he.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Was living with.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're also going to get into a crazy story about
someone who made a homemade canon.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Like what could possibly go wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Right, We're going to talk about Virginia Jeffrey's bizarre post
saying that she had days to live. Let's start off
with Val Kilmore. This was a bummer this week.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Right, Yeah, I really I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I guess I haven't been keeping tabs on him, but
I didn't really know he was sick. So when my
husband told me yesterday that he died, I was pretty
shocked because he's young. He's only sixty five years old.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He's most How do you think that he was wearing
that what would you call that?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
As caught?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, I haven't really I just said I haven't been
keeping tabs on him. I haven't really seen pictures of
him in the last couple of years. And I guess
he was in the latest Top Gun remake and he's
wearing a scarf in that movie, but I just wasn't
paying attention to it. But he was young, and they're
saying he died from pneumonia, all.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right, so he had I kind of was not talked
about this at all when I heard it, because as
soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, yeah,
there's been a long history with him. So apparently he
felt a lump in his neck back in two thousand
and fourteen or twenty and fifteen, and he kind of
waited a while to get treatment of it because he's
(01:45):
a Christian scientist. Did you know that, Oh no, so
interesting thing about Christian scientists, don't I really never had
heard of them. And when I was rotating at the
Medical Examiner's office, we actually had a case of a
little kid that ended up getting pneumonia two year old,
(02:06):
and her parents wouldn't treat her because they were Christian scientists,
and apparently they believed that diseases and ailments are errors
of the mind, and they really give precedence to spiritual
healing rather than modern medicine. And obviously I'm telling you
this story from the Medical Examiner's office, which means that
this kid died and the parents actually got charged with homicide.
(02:30):
Because the medical examiner rolled it a homicide because she
wasn't treated for something that could have been treated.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, now that you bring that up, I'm curious how
that plays into religion because there's a lot of religions
that believe that. Yeah, and it is it is an
interesting theory because I did once also have an autopsy
on a woman who is postpartum that was bleeding due
to complications with the delivery, and they were Jehovah's witness.
(02:59):
The husband refused blood products for her and she ended
up dying. And she didn't have to die. She died
because she didn't get a transfusion. So it is interesting,
and I'm honestly like, I really just don't know how
that works, because ultimately that's a little bit different. You're
(03:20):
in charge of yourself, so you can make the choice
if she had had that in writing that she didn't
want the blood.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Products, like, that's her choice. But with the being and
the same with val kilmorph he didn't want to get
treatment of his cancer, that's his choice. But when you're
talking about raising a child and not doing an intervention
because of religion, then I mean in the case that
I dealt with, it was considered to be a homicide.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, yeah, now that you're saying all that, I do
think maybe the religious laws should be a little lax
when it comes to minors that can't make decisions for themselves.
When you're an adult, that's a whole different story. But
I agree those rules should not apply when it's little
kids that are sick, especially when it's something that's preventable.
Let's start off first by talking about what this lump
(04:07):
ended up being. So he has said that he was
diagnosed with throat cancer. Now what is throat cancer. Your
throat is a very complex area which consists of the
back of your throat, which you would think if you
looked in the mirror, so your tonsils, your uvula, the
back of your tongue that would be considered the upper
part of your throat, and then the lower part of
(04:29):
your throat would be considered your larynx. So I'm not
really sure exactly where this tumor originated because he's saying
that he felt a bump in his neck, and that
could quite possibly be just a lymph node that had
the cancer spread to it, So it's not I'm not
one hundred percent sure where it originated. From but most
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of the time in the oropharynx, which you would think
is the back of the throat. What you think about
looking in the mirror. Those cancer a sixty to seventy
percent of the time are caused.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
By the HPV virus. So that's the majority of those cases, right,
So how do you get HPV? It's a sexually transmitted infection,
the same exact way you would get it in your
badge or on your penis or anything like that. And
the reason that this is becoming so prevalent now is because,
especially with younger people, they don't consider oral sex to
(05:25):
be sex. So sometimes you could even speak with people
and say that they would never have sex without a condom,
but they would have oral sex without any protection. And listen, like,
if you think about giving someone oral sex with either
a condom on or a dental dam, do you know
what a dental dam is?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Really, it's nice because I'm sitting here like, well, how
is this even possible that you're doing it? Like on
a femail.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
In particular, they sell these things called dental dams, which
are basically a square piece of a latex type of
material similar to a condom, and it's it's like performing surgery.
You have to take this thing out of the package.
Like have you ever taken latee You probably haven't, but
at all topsy. When we use like legit surgical gloves,
(06:16):
when you take them out of the package, they have
this like fine talk powder on them, so they don't
stick together, right, So you have to take this dental
dam out of the package and then you have to
rinse it off to get the powder off of it,
and then you have to dry it off, and then
you have.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
To put lube.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
They recommend you put lube first on the vulva and
then you put the dental dam on top of it,
and now you're ready.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
To have oral sex.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And it's nobody's doing that exactly. So this is this
is where it comes in when you're like, okay, well,
how could you prevent that? And this is where the
HPV vaccine is important. And I'm not like one of
these like vax pusher people, but I have a lot
of experience with this particular virus because I was a
(07:01):
cytotechnologist before I was a PA, and I looked at
pap smears all day long, which just are HPV HPV.
So it's something that's always kind of freaked me out
and something I definitely thought that I never wanted to have,
because not only is it responsible for vaginal vaginal cervical
vulvar cancers in females, it could cause penile cancers and men,
(07:24):
but that's definitely not as common. It could cause anal cancer,
but it also could cause throat cancer, and like, nobody
wants this because when we tell you the hell that
this guy went through, you're gonna see why. So the
HPV virus a lot of people get. It's just the
most common sexually transmitted infection, and most people's immune system
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kind of gets rid of it on its own. But
if you get certain strains of the virus, then they're
the ones that can lay dormant for years and then
all of a sudden they come back and start changing
the cells, and then they start looking pre cancerous, and
then they look cancerous. Oh, cervical cancer and females used
to be the number one killer of women back in
(08:05):
the day, and then they started doing pap smears and
stuff and just checking women all the time. This is
what a cytotechnologist does, is look at pap smears and
they were able to say, okay, if we screen these
women once a year, we'll be able to see that
there's changes inside of the cervix and then we'll be
able to catch it when it's pre cancers instead of
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full blown cancer. And of course that's evolved over time
because now we have DNA technology and they're able to
tell if a person's carrying the high restrain or not.
And these tests are all done when you go get
a PAP smere So now they don't have to look
at it under the microscope every single year because they
know if you have this the higher restraints or not,
and they'll monitor those people accordingly. But ever since these
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screening things have happened, the risk of cervical cancer in
females has dropped so much that it's like it's not
even on the radar anymore how it used to be.
But the problem is now with throat cancer because this
could happen in both male and females. How are you
going to do a PAP smear of someone's throat and
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check for these atypical changes. So it's just it's invasive, right,
So they haven't come up with like a PAP smear
screening for the throat.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yet so and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Unfortunately, when you present with this kind of cancer, it's
like he, like Val Kilmour was saying, I have a
family member that actually had a cancer like this too.
You present with a giant lump in your neck and
that's already like late, it's already full blown cancer and
possibly has even spread to a lymph note at that point.
(09:41):
So of course the treatment is just going to be
a lot more you know, aggressive to take care of that,
rather than if you see atypical cells on a PAP smear,
you would just you could just cut them out a
little bit and leave the person intact, and sometimes that's enough.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
To make it go away.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So finally he tells family like, hey, I'm not getting
this treated because I'm a Christian scientist and blah blah blah,
and they convinced him, no, you're going to get this done,
and he eventually agreed to getting it done. So, like
I said, I'm not really sure if he had tonsil
cancer or if he had it at the back of
his tongue or wherever he had cancer. But what they
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do is sometimes if the tumors consider to be not operable,
which means that them taking it out is too close
to major structures or it just would be too much
of a surgery, and they think that they could shrink
it with chemotherapy and radiation. They often choose that. And
the good thing about having an HPV based cancer is
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that it's very it responds very well to treatment as
opposed to people that get throw cancer from smoking. So
that's the good thing. But the bad thing is is
whenever you radiate an area like that, radiation causes a
lot of scarring and it causes damage to the area,
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and it's really it's really brutal, especially having had a
family member that went through this treatment. I mean, it
leaves burns in your throat, you can't eat, you lose
a lot of weight. It's it's like really terrible. And
think about like one thing, even if you feel shitty
or whatever, like one thing always makes you feel better
is having a good meal, and then all of a
(11:21):
sudden you lose your taste and you it's really terrible.
And during that treatment it could damage your vocal cords too,
and your.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Ability to speak.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So he had a procedure done called the tracheostomy, which
is when they put a hole inside of your throat,
So no longer are you using your nose and your
mouth to breathe, but you're breathing out of this hole.
And the reason they do that is number one, because
of scarring, because of the treatment, but also if the
tumor is so big, it might block your airway, so
they're kind of bypassing it so you could still get
(11:55):
air into your lungs. And a tracheostomy also another thing
that you never want to have if you don't have
to have. So he, like I was saying earlier, he
wore an ascot every day because he was hiding that
whole that.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He had in his neck.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He recently had a documentary that he made within the
past couple of years, if anybody really wants to check
it out, because in that documentary he talks about it.
But when there's damage, so when they put this tracheostomy
tube in between that and the treatment, you could have
damage to the vocal cords, and that really affects your
ability to speak, which is another terrible side effect. He's
(12:32):
actually been quoted as saying that the treatment for this
cancer was worse than the actual cancer, which many people
who have.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Cancers is going to say that.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean that's a common thing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So these people are able to speak. Sometimes there's different things.
There's a thing that you could call the speaking valve
that you could block off the hole so when the
error is coming out of the lungs, that could kind
of be pushed up and redirected more up through the
vocal cords, but the voice will be very weak sounding.
(13:05):
And I guess he was able to do that because
when he did the latest movie that you were saying earlier,
the Top Gun movie, a lot of people were speculating
that they used AI for his voice, and really it
was his voice, they just kind of digitally enhanced it
so it sounded better because he basically probably has like
a very hoarse whisper that is difficult to come out,
(13:27):
so they just kind of clarified it a little. There's
also this thing that's called an electro larynx, and you've
seen that, right, Like, I feel like the guy that
used to run the softball league had one, remember.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, our umpire head.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, and he used to talk on the microphone like
opening day and stuff, and he had one. So it's
it's this battery operated device that detects vibration. When a
person that has it either doesn't have vocal cords or
vocal cord paralysis due to treatment or whatever, speaks it
pay upt this vibration and it allows them to talk,
(14:03):
but it sounds very electronic and course kind of it's
it's definitely not the person's voice, but you're allowed to
at least communicate your words through a voice in that situation,
and I believe that he used one of those in
the documentary as well. So the bottom line is, so
(14:24):
this didn't kill him, right, he survived. I think in
twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, he said that he
had no he was cancer free, which you know I've
said a million times I don't like that term. But
there was no evidence that he had any cancer. So
his cancer was well under control and treated. But the
problem is is that when you have a hole in
your neck like that, and the air is bypassing your mouth,
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which is your first line of defense for any kind
of infections to come in, Like your tonsils are like
a filter that catches a lot of that stuff, and
then you also have saliva that has antibiotic property in
it as well, Like you're bypassing all that stuff in
the air, this dry air is going directly into your lungs.
So because of that, people that have traits are at
(15:08):
an increased risk of lung infections. And ultimately, that's what
his daughter is saying, that's how he died, is from pneumonia,
which is common in these patients.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I kind of think it's amazing that you have this
religion your whole life where you don't get medical treatment
and you could live until sixty five, because I just
feel like there's so many things before that that could
take you out that are treatable.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, I mean I guess in theory when he got diagnosed,
he was only fifty five ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, it's it is true.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean sometimes I just read a story of somebody
recently that had that was sixty something and said they
weren't on any medication and they didn't have any high
blood pressure or this or that, and you're like, that's
kind of in America, that's like kind of amazing in
this day and eight.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, it's one of those things like once you start
it's like yeah, and we know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
And we know that like there's been a couple of
times that physicians have wanted to put me on high
blood pressure medicine and I'm kind of.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Like, eh, that And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's like once you're on it, like it's just not
really great to go on and off those types of things.
And a lot of times those drugs lead to other
complications and then you need another drug for that. And
it's like, we know, there's like a huge people on
way too many drugs in this country, like prescription medications.
So it is, it is interesting, but I think a
lot of things, I mean certain things like let's say
(16:37):
you have diabetes, for example, you have to have insulin.
There's no praying that's going to make that go away.
But but there's other things that like especially antidepressants and
this and that, like you just don't a lot or
you probably even say most people don't really need to
be on you just but it's a quick fix to
put someone on medications a lot of the time. So yeah,
(16:59):
that's really cool. But let's all right, So we're done
with val kilmore for now unless more information comes out.
And also in the gross room next week, we're going
to write a high profile death disseection about this to
get more in depth with like what this might have
looked like inside of his throat and what the treatments
look like more in detail. So I think that'll be
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Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, So I'm listening to the radio yesterday and
the local New Jersey radio, and I hear this story
which I guess happened a while ago, and they just
got charged or something, or just got went to court
over this.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, so a father and son are facing jail time
after they fired a homemade cannon which left a bystander disemboelled.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's out, it's so outrageous. So they made a homemade
canon and then they brought it to a local park
and they made it explode. Whatever they were doing with
this canon, it caused shrapnel to go seventy five feet
away from the device into multiple houses. And this guy,
(18:57):
this thirty four year old guys just standing there and
this shrapnel just comes through the wall and cuts open
his like his abdominal wall, and his intestines literally fell
out of his body. And luckily, like I don't know
if it was his family or there were people there
that were able to call nine when one went right
away and they metevacked him to the nearest trauma center.
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But he had to have ten surgeries in three weeks
because of this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I mean, I'm surprised, Like, how do you even survive
something like this When you're reading an article that's like
I got struck by shrapnel and my intestines are falling out.
I can't even believe these people end up being survivors
at the.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
End of it well it you know, it seems very
it seems very gruesome, but your abdominal wall is just
is holding your organs in from spilling out. So all
it is is like a really thick blanket that's covering them,
keeping them inside. So if that blanket opens up, they're
gonna spill right out. And as long as they're still
(19:59):
attached to the mesentry, which is the blood supply to them,
you could kind of just stick them right back in.
Oftentimes they do surgeries when they cut someone open to
do let's say a pancrea surgery or something, and when
they make that large incision, they'll take the intestines out
and just kind of push them to the side because
they're attached. I'm just trying to think of. You know,
(20:21):
the intestines are like a hose mouth to anus is
just one two basically that's all crinkled up inside. But
the back of them, where the blood supply comes in
to feed them oxygen, is all attached to back towards
the spinal cord, so they're kind of just like freely
floating off even though they are attached at that point.
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So as long as that point is there and they're
still getting blood and oxygen. It's it's not really hurting
them at all, which sounds weird. But I don't know
if the shrapnel like actually cut open the bowel, because
then you have problem if you cut open that hose,
that poop is going to start leaking everywhere and then
you or if you hit a blood vessel too, that
you could bleed out. And there's definitely complications with it.
(21:05):
But I've seen a lot of injuries where a person
just had an injury to the abdomens, so your abs
where you would work out and stuff, there's just a
hole going into your abdominal cavity and the intestines pop out,
but like they can go to the hospital and get
them popped back in and sew it up and be
totally fine. So the reason that he had ten surgeries,
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I'm assuming is that it was a little bit more
than just his abdominal wall being cut open. He probably
had the bowl leakage like I was saying, and then
get infection. It's just it's a mess because that abdominal
cavity should be sterile, and once there's poop in there,
forget it. There's like you're introducing all of these bacteria
into a sterile space, and they might have to keep
(21:50):
opening you up to cut you out, and all of
these antibiotics and this and that. It's just freaking scary, right,
Like you're just sitting in your house and a piece
of shrap comes through the wall when you're living in
the burbs in New Jersey, Like, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, these people had a history of causing public disruptions,
as this article is saying. So in twenty nineteen, the
father in this case had been arrested after they found
four devices in his house. I guess police got tipped
off after a mysterious package filled with fireworks was found
at a Labor Day parade, which prompted them to search
his home. Both the father and son have pleaded guilty
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to criminal mischief and they're facing jail time. The dad
seems to be facing more jail time with six years,
probably because he has an arrest history, and this son
is facing time because because he's a horrible influence on
his kid. Yeah, like that's like the weirdest father son
activity ever.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So this Virginia Guffrie go Frey, how do you say
her name?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
This story is so freaking bizarre. Yeah, So for those
of you who don't know, she's one of Jeffrey Epstein's
most notable accusers. She also has said that Prince Andrew
was wrapped up in the whole scandal and that he
assaulted her. This is this is alleged, they keep saying
in the articles. But she was in a lawsuit with
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Prince Andrew and he settled. So is it still alleged.
I'm not really sure how that works. Anyway. She posted
the other day on Instagram that she got in a
really bad car accident and she was given only four
days to live. But the police are saying that there
was an accident, but there was no reported injuries, and
now people are questioning what is going on at all.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
When I first saw the story, because everybody's posting it
on Instagram, right.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I was thinking like this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I just thought this is very weird because obviously people
get in car accidents all the time and die a
couple days later. That's a normal thing that happens. But
usually it's like the person has injuries that were so
bad and they're in the ICU and they're intubated, and
their family is making a post like, oh, we're gonna
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have to take them off like support tonight, like this
is it? I was thinking, like, how is this woman
totally fine right now to be posting a selfie and
writing herself that she's going to die in four days
after a car accident. I just thought it was I
just thought it was very unusual. And then to say
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that she went into kidney renal failure. But like why
after an accident you're thinking an accident causes blunt trauma.
It just it didn't really add up to me. And
of course, like listen, if a person's laying there in
a bed and bruised up and saying they got in
an accident, they're going to die, Like who am I
to question it? I'm not the kind of person that's
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going to call the police department and say did this
really happen?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
But apparently like people did that and this is how
this all came out. Well, I just want to say, first,
I understand it's weird to make an Instagram post, but
I also think that you know, like if something happened
to me, you have access to my Instagram account and
you could post a picture of me in the hospital
bed and write a caption. I understand it's bizarre that
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it's in first person, but you don't know if that's
what they were trying to do. I was thinking that
at first, but apparently her family has come out after
and said that she thought she was posting it to
a private Facebook group, so I don't know what that's about.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And then the whole accident thing is just very weird.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But the thing is is that she posted it, so
she was fine enough to take a selfie and post it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's just like.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
When you're given days to die like that, you're not
totally fine, and then all of a sudden they're saying,
like you're dying in two days, Like that just doesn't
happen like that. Do you understand, Like it's just like
if you're if they're giving you days to live, it
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means that you're almost dead. You're not. You're not taking
selfies and posting. So I don't know if I'm being
clear or not that it doesn't make any sense. It's
just bizarre.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Listen, I understand what you're saying, but like the whole
situation's weird. She's saying that a school bus slammed into
her car when she was making a turn. Some people
are saying that the police were called and they said
nobody was available to come to the scene and if
anybody was hurt, to go to the hospital, which then
we're saying that she did go to the hospital, and
somebody confirmed she was. They're saying a source, So we
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don't know who the source is, but a source has
said she was in the hospital but was definitely not
in life threatening condition.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I mean, if no.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Cops responded to the scene, how could they confidently say
nobody was injured.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, I guess they said that the car only sustained
two thousand dollars worth of damage, and she had said, like,
I guess she initially maybe didn't think that she was
injured that bad. And and then I mean, listen, like,
I don't know how things work where this accident was.
We're in Australia, but let's say this, like, if there's
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not enough resources, it's like if you're on the road
and you get in a fender bender, right, if they
have limited resources, they're gonna be like, all right, we're
not sending an ambulance out because we can't. But if
you called and were like a person got ejected out
of a vehicle, they're going to send an ambulance. So
based upon the call at the time, they didn't think
(27:26):
that it was necessary that they even needed to send
an ambulance at all for her. And she went later
and listen, that happened to me once I got in
a car accident. I mean, my air bag deployed and all,
but I didn't really feel like I had to go
in the ambulance when they showed up.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And then a.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Day later, my neck hurts so frickin' bad, Like it
was so so bad, and I had such a bad
headache and it was probably just like whiplash or whatever.
But I actually went to the hospital because I was like,
I hope, like nothing's wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I was just in a car accident yesterday, so let
me get checked out. So, I mean, that's not out
of the realm of possibility, but it's like if she
was in an accident that they're saying was less than
two thousand dollars worth of damage and there was no
air bag deployment, and the actual bus driver was interviewed
and was just like, yeah, like this she wasn't hurt
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at all. How did she get these crazy bruises on
her face? That's like one thing that's just super bizarre
to me. And the thing that's the weirdest part about
this source that they keep saying is like it sounds
like somebody that's working in the hospital. That's the source,
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which is really fucked up. Like they're saying the source
has knowledge of the situation and says that she's a
current impatient at the hospital, was not in a life
threatening condition. She does have the bruises shown in the
social media picture, but according to the source, has not
told the hospital what caused those injuries. Like, doesn't that
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sound like someone that works there or was treating her.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, I think the whole situation's really bizarre. I mean,
I just feel like the police saying, well, there was
no reported injuries is kind of ridiculous when they didn't
even show up to make an official report, and like
you're saying, you could very easily think you're fine that
day and then have to go later. I think the
extent of her injuries is very confusing. I think because
(29:26):
of the weirdness of the story. I was looking at
the comments under her Instagram post and now a lot
of people are like.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Are questioning the Jeffrey Epstein thing.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, they're questioning the Jeffrey Epstein thing. But let's let's
you know, remember that he was convicted for prostitution charges
in two thousand and eight, So like everybody could chill out,
like I know, you still did what he did.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's still like listen, if someone's faking this, then like
you have to question other things because it's a certain
person that fakes cancer and a certain person that fakes
assaults and things. I'm just putting it out, are you
so people aren't dick heads for like, yes, again, it's
totally possible that this this poor woman was traumatized her
(30:09):
young adult life and now she's just like lost and
feeding for attention or having mental health issues.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I mean, the conspiracies are gonna be all over. You
could say she got in this accident, and then you
could think that all these mega rich people wrapped up
in this Epstein scandal are like paying somebody to like
try to get her killed or beat her up or something,
and she doesn't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm just seeing all these crazy conspiracies like all over
the internet, and we're just not going to really know
what happened. I mean, I haven't seen any reports that
she that she has passed away or anything yet.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So because she's she's not.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, like, and is this credible source from the hospital,
the same person tell her where she's gonna die in
four days?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
There was something nobody told her she was dying in
four days. That's that didn't happen. So she So there's
a story out recently that says something about this happened
like days after she violated some kind of family restraining
order or something. And I don't even know what that's about.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Oh I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, so so there'll be more to common. We'll we'll
talk about it all right.
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