There’s No Business Like...
THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Ep. 181 – Opera, Ballet, and Public Perception
This week our hosts dive into the discussion around the comments of Timothee Chalamet. They question the relevance of some of the traditional arts like opera and ballet to the overall general public. They further question in what ways those classic art forms can gain more relevance to the general populous.
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NBL Rewind: David Rowell: Inspiring the Next Generation
As colleges and universities are on Spring Break, we are taking a Spring Break of our own and rewinding to episode 72, highlighting a (now former) university presenter and his students.
Our hosts talk about times they said, “never again,” and then totally did again. This week Bryan sits dow...
Ep. 179 Are the Arts a Luxury?
As the State of Michigan considers a 6% luxury tax, which includes the performing arts, Josh, Kevin, and Pure Michigan Katie Trzaska-Miller, consider the impact and ask, have the arts become a luxury? Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic D...
Ep. 178 Project Convergence: The Rhythm of Collaboration
Katie sits down with Vikas Arun and Apoorva Natarajan, co-directors of the American dance company Project Convergence, home to the union of Bharatanatyam and American tap dance. A chance conversation at the Midwest Arts XPO led to this discussion about the state of dance in the presenting field, marketing for artists, ...
Ep. 177 Under the Radar Festival: The Edgy Side of Theater
Josh and Kevin sit down to discuss their experience with the Under the Radar Festival in NYC. They share what the festival is, what they did, and more. They also talk about a show outside of the festival, GREEF, a one-woman clown show. GREEF is a show by Christina Gelsone. Link to a post about the show: https://www...
Ep. 176 Willem Van Der Maij: Making Solo Show Production Easier
Today Bryan sits down with Willem Van Der Maij; the Founder, inventor, and managing director of Midian, a company that produces the Midian Prime – a wireless remote multi function midi control device. Hear how this device makes live performance easier for solo gig artists.
Ep. 175 Hot Headlines: Trump-Kennedy Center Closing?
Katie, Josh, and Kevin talk about the President posting about closing the Trump-Kennedy Center for two years for “renovations,” and funding of the NEA, among other topics, because you can’t talk about a Presidential social media post without diving into the state of America.
Ep. 174 APAP Recap 2026
The Pod Squad takes NYC in this episode where they met up while attending the APAP 2026 Conference. Conferences are a big undertaking for organizations and attendees alike and this is what the group thought about this years largest global gathering of arts professionals. We discuss things we loved, the things we didn’t, dead cell phones, and more. Sh...
Ep. 173 Scott Speck: Conducting Energy The Pod goes classical this week as Katie welcomes conductor Scott Speck to talk about life as an orchestra conductor, his philosophy around making classical music accessible, and more. The team talks the business of the orchestral world and how to make attending orchestra concerts comfortable for more people. Scott Speck has conducted all over the world and is cu...
Ep. 172 Ideas from MAX: Less Profit, More Community
This week on our Ideas from MAX series we share Socks Whitmore’s thoughts on the industry focusing less on profits and more on community.
Socks Whitmore (https://sockswhitmore.com/) among many other things is the Communications Leader at the Creative and Independent Producer Alliance (https:...
Ep. 171 Ritesh Patel: It Takes Longer Than You Expect
This week, our hosts talk about their favorite music festival or rave experience, Katie tries to explain the difference between a club and a “big dance party”, and Josh shares his conversation with Ritesh Patel. Ritesh shares how and why he got started in ticketing and music festivals.
Ep. 170 Moms Be Mommin’
In this special episode Katie and Danielle talk with presenters Tanya Gertz and Lindsay Bauer about what it means to be a working parent in our industry, and why the field needs support systems. Our hosts and guests share realities that often stay hidden: guilt, career tradeoffs, childcare gaps, invisible labor, and more. Moms in the Arts will meet ...
Ep. 169 New Year’s Podcastin’ Eve It’s another podcast party as we say goodbye to the year (or decade!) that was 2025. The team takes a few minutes to reflect on impactful artistic moments from the last year and share how we’re moving forward into 2026. Wishing you a fun, safe, and happy New Year’s Eve and 2026!
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Ep. 168 The Holiday Merriment Episode
It’s the holidays! We’ve all wrapped up our festive programming, but may still be wrapping gifts. This week the Pod Squad shares their holiday plans and you guessed it, Danielle hosts a holiday trivia game. Happy holidays to you and yours from the No Business Like team!
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Ep. 167 Ideas from MAX: Programming for the 25-45 Age Range
This week on Ideas from MAX we talk to Amanda Sauvie about the challenges of programming for the 25 to 45 demographic, both in them showing up and in finding the right talent to book.
Amanda Sauvie is the Manager of Community Programming at the FIM (https://thefim.org/) in Flint, Michig...
Ep. 166 Ideas from MAX: Programming Genres Back to Back
The next conversation in our Ideas from MAX series features Wallace Thomas’ hot take on a cappella music, which leads into a broader conversation on booking and programming strategy.
Wallace Thomas is a member of the a cappella group Ball in the House (https://www.ballinthehouse.com/)
Ep. 165 Lisa Richards Toney – Part 2: To Be Still Is to Be Powerful This week, Josh shares part two of his conversation with Lisa Richards Toney. They discuss the power in stillness, organizational management, and the annual APAP conference.
Lisa Richards Toney is the President and CEO of the Association of Performing Arts Professionals – APAP (https://apap365.org/)
Ep. 164 Lisa Richards Toney – Part 1: The Arts Taught Me That This week Josh shares part one of his conversation with Lisa Richards Toney; to warm up for that conversation our hosts share some of their favorite APAP memories. Lisa Richards Toney shares the journey of how the arts impacted her life and moments that led her to being the head of APAP. She shares the challenges of leading a national organiz...
Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs. Community Engagement
Our Ideas from MAX series will feature conversations from our booth at the 2025 Midwest Arts Xpo and a roundtable discussion with the Pod Squad! This week we kick off with Gary Minyard’s answer to the questions “What are we not talking about enough in the industry?”: the differences between audience develo...
Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less
This week, our hosts start with a little game before Katie shares her conversation with Todd Wetzel. Todd is a fountain of knowledge and shares that knowledge with Katie, and our audience. Todd shares how he got his start in the arts, his philosophy on leadership, audience development, shifting presenting models, ...
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