Keke Palmer Dishes Out Life Advice From Her Book, "Master of Me"

Keke Palmer joins us in the Interview Lounge to discuss her new book, "Master of Me," out now!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Wow sounds impressive, don't it It is? Anyway, we love biographies,
We love learning about people their lives. And in the
fact that I wrote one, you learn a lot about
yourself when you write your own story. I mean you
read it in the third person, like, oh my god,
this guy, he's had to really screwed up life.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Oh that's me. Kind of cool. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Kiki Palmer has been doing the business since she was
so young, and now here she is in her thirties,
she's still doing it. She wrote her book called Master
of Me, and this is, as Gandhi was saying, a
very perfect, perfectly timed book, of course, with all the
stories coming out, where we learn more about people who
grew up in the business and what they're all about.
She's putting she's smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Which what's she doing? She's putting a lipstick.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Okay, NAT's doing the lipstick motion with his an.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I thought, I thought she's out. Kiki's out smoking a cigarette.
She'll be here in a moment.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I don't know his lipstick done. Kicky Palmer, come on
in here, Hey, this is right here.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
How are you are you?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
My gosh, she is gorgeous.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
By the way, when you walk past Danielle, she does
the sniff tap.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, you smell good.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's kind of creepy when guests come in and the
first thing we talk about is the way they smell haha.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
But also smelling is a good you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Can you keep an eye on Key's microphone level? Make
sure you're good? Yes, Hey, welcome to the show. And
as you go, when you put a book out, you
gotta get up early in the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Oh my gosh, boy, the last couple of days four am,
four am, it's been no joke.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Welcome to our hell, it's no joke. This is why
we look like this.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So uh, gandhi, our co host is in she's in Columbus,
so she's doing the show there. Froggy is in Jacksonville
up there, Daniel's here and I'm Elvis, your host. How's
your espresso.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's fabulous. I do appreciate this obviously for you.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
It's honey, this is need Mama needs fuel. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
What made you you don't have to don't uh. The
hair is looking perfect, thank you? Headphones ruined great hair?
What made you can decide to do a book. I mean,
it's a very general, easy question, but no, what what's
your story?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I did my.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
First book when I was twenty one. I think it
was kind of like it's called I Don't Belong to You.
Is really about the realization that you, you know, starting
to understand that I don't really I'm never going to
really get life, you know what I mean. I think
at eighteen, you're assuming, because everybody's like you're grown, that
something's going to click and it didn't happen. And so
I think I was like living with that, and I
wrote that first book, you know, and it was about
realizing that I don't belong to other people's ideas of me.

(02:41):
And so I think this is kind of like an
evolution of what those beginning theories or themes were in
my life, and now it's about mastering me, mastering and
controlling how I feel about those ever changing waves in
my life.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Do you ever look back at your first book and go, Wow,
that was me then And I'm definitely not there now,
I'm not thinking that way and I have.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah since then.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
I think, yes, especially my ideas around the things that
I was talking about back then, I think that's evolved.
My understanding of it has. You know, you have perspective
with time is you know you're not going to ever
really see things for as they are, I think, until
you get away from them. And so when I look
at all that's happening in those ten years and how
it's informed my experiences, I'm not the same person.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I'm much clearer.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, so what you're thirty one, thirty one years old? Honey,
I am thirty. I'm thirty years older than you, and
I'm not going to tell you right. Oh, oh my.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Gosh, come on out, really thirty years old.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'll explain this bad mustache in a second. Thirty one
and I'm a sixty one year older. Oh, she doesn't
know anything yet.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
This is the journey of life, the things you grow
and learn, the good, the bad, and God knows we've
all had all of it.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and I talk about it. So, I mean I
agree with you.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
I think there's again life is going to keep on
teaching you more and more and more like what I
thought it twenty one changed from what I think at
thirty one, and it's going to keep on going. Forty
one one, fifty one et cetera, et cetera. But I
want to remember myself the way that I know me.
I think that's also a part of why I started
to love writing books like this, is because I get
to tell my own story. You know, the subtitle it's

(04:13):
Master of Me. But it's the secret to controlling your narrative.
And I think that's so important in life because so
many people try to tell you who you are.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, now I have two books on on the top
of my stack, my mountain of books, Key Keys of course,
Master of Me and Share Part one.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh my gosh, yes, chair part one. Now where's Part
two at?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
She hasn't even started it?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah? Wow, So part one came out yesterday.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
She almost didn't do two.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I love that it's just being known though it's known
that it's coming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Before, so Gandhi and I were talking, we were all
three talking earlier about how the timing of this book.
We are in very much assumption that it is perfect
for the times with other people who are in the business.
Right Gandhi, what were you saying?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:54):
Absolutely? Can she hear me without the headphone?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh well a little bit? Can you hear yep?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I agree?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, don't miss with the hair.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
What a g The hair is incredible. No, I just
I know that.

Speaker 8 (05:04):
So much has been going on, and you've been in Hollywood.
Growing up on its own is crazy. Growing up in
Hollywood has to be crazier. And now we're getting all
of these stories coming out where people are finally stepping
forward and saying, hey, here's what I saw and here's
what I am not okay with. In that context, what
have you learned?

Speaker 6 (05:23):
I think the biggest thing I've learned or I realized.
And maybe this is just you know, my reframing, but
is that we all? I mean, the industry is so sensationalized.
Being a child entertainer is so sensationalized. It's a unique experience.
I'm not gonna, you know, doubt that, but I do
think a lot of us were parentalized children. I mean,
you know, especially those of us that grew up in
an inner city community or you know, not with a

(05:45):
lot of money. We had to get out and do
it our own way and handle you know, kind of
like lose our innocence to a certain degree. And so
a big part of what I talk about in the
book when I do share my stories, you know, it's
not just to say, hey, this is my life, but
it's to show the similarities of what we're all experiencing,
trying to make it, you know, losing our innocence, the
necessary losses that come with growing up. So even though

(06:06):
mine's are in the backdrop of entertainment, I really always
try to pull it down and ground myself. These are
the themes we all experience in life. You know, you're
not gonna get your childhood back, and there is no
perfect childhood. There's always some stuff that you wish you
could have did, especially when you watch a Disney Channel
show and you're like, why my.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Life ain't like that?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You know what nobody is?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know, nobody is.

Speaker 8 (06:25):
I think that you have been able to figure out
a way to still navigate Hollywood and maintain your innocence
and still be a kid. Like, do you have advice
for little kiddy stars right now?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
My honest answer would be the innocence will be lost.
It will be lost. Innocence is lost in responsibility, and
I think it's a necessary loss. I mean think you
should try to, you know, pace it out right, because
you don't want to be overwhelmed. You don't want to
take on too much. But sometimes that's what life hands you.
And so I think I deal more in not feeling
bad around that it is what it is. I think

(06:58):
acceptance is so important because sit and we can dwell
and we can say, well, I wish I had it
more like this, I wish I had it like that.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
But overall, I.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
Am grateful for the discipline, the responsibilities, the things that
I learned having the childhood that I had.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
You know, and I don't think it you know, I don't.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
I wouldn't change it, and I don't think it can
change whether you are Keekie Palmer, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant.
You know, sports, doing anything that you're going to be
focused on and putting your all into is going to
require you to be responsible and for you to take
on things you otherwise wouldn't And there is a loss
of innocence for a child in that.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Okay, are you.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
At the age where you finally can look back and
say and look at the most awful train wreck moments
of your life and go, you know what, I didn't
like it, but I needed that, yes, you know, And
it's hard to do that because you never want to
put yourself through that or any other You don't want
anyone to live through that, but you did and you

(07:55):
got out through the other side.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean I've had so many situations like that,
personal and professional. You know, it's like, you know, you
call it like a situational accelerator where the situation slowly
it's situational accelerator. I got this from Society Fast sensational
situational situational accelerator. So it's like, you know, the situation
literally accelerates you. Without it, otherwise you maybe wouldn't have,

(08:19):
you know, be at the place you are of understanding
or perspective or whatever it is. And so yeah, I
feel like for me in my life, I've had so
many moments where I've the situation has accelerated me to
seeing things in a different way, having to lean into it.
I'm big on leaning and surrendering into it because that's
the only way that you get through it. And it's
cliche when we say that, but it really is true
because I have to be.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Honest with myself.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
If I'm not honest with myself in these situations, then
there's no way for me to overcome them.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Denial is zero enemy. It really is it really is.
I grew up in a house of denial. I mean,
we we would just all that, all that's awful, that happened.
Let's have lunch and you get nowhere. You do not
grow with that.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, but it's tough. It's tough pieces to I fel
like we beat.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Ourselves up so much as human beings for having emotions,
you know, but it's like that is the experience, you know,
we kind of have to have them.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
That's the experience, you know.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
To feel sad, to feel happy. If we wasn't, we'd
just be like some floating thing that don't feel not that.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
We're the roller coaster, right, we got to we got
to do you want a straight train track or do
you want a roller coaster? I prefer the roller coast.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
And now you worked for Universal, you've worked for Disney.
So do you if you had a pick one, do
you have a preference?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Say it right now?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (09:32):
I mean, I will be honest. I love working for Disney.
I really did love working for them because I love
what their brand stands for. I like the stories that
they tell. You know, whether it's Pixar, whether it's Walt
you know where you know, all the different aspects of it.
I think they're great storytelling business overall. And then if
I could say who I liked working with just technically, hm,

(09:58):
I don't know. I guess that they would be the
best because I've worked at every different version of Disney.
I worked for what I did GMA, I've hosted for
them for Disney. Plus I did Disney Channel I did
you know?

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (10:09):
I did what is the one we did but with
light Year? So yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I
liked working with Disney, you know what I mean. But
I liked working with Universal as well. It was a good,
enjoyable time. But yeah, yeah, Disney is fun.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Hey, you know, And I'm stealing this from so when
I read, I read this from the other day.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Look back.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I mean, let's go back to barbershop too. Let's go on,
let's go let's go back where I first fell in
love with Dickey Parker. Let's go back to those days
to now. What is a memory you can just flash
on right now, A memory you want to hold on
to forever, something you never want to let go of.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
This memory, It's just be one, doesn't have to be.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
The one, right exactly. I mean, I just remember turning.
I think I turned ten on that set, and I
remember Michael Ealy. He was so fine even back then. Okay,
but I think I remember being on that set, the
feeling of being a performer and like the cameras being
on you and doing I always loved following directions. I

(11:13):
always loved the act. I think that was the sportsmanship
of acting. Aside from the emotions and all the other
aspects to being an artist, it was a director. I'm
helping a director. I'm collaborating with a group of people
to get a vision across. And when I first discovered that,
you know, to be that I could be used in
that way for a bigger picture.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's what I fell in love with.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
So at ten years old, it wasn't playtime anymore. You
saw there was something else going on. As a young girl,
I did.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
And I couldn't articulate it. But like even as early
as being in a church I talk about this in
the book, like seeing my mom perform, I wouldn't have
been able to articulate it, but I knew that there
was a chain reaction from her singing and what the
audience felt and us in the congregation, that being something
that brought people together. That's what I wanted to be
a part of. And I think artistry was an interest

(12:00):
point and it still is an entry point for me
to get to that.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
You've ever done stage work, done Broadway?

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Idea? I did a Cinderella.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Did you find some satisfaction in that?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I found a ton of saturdays because they're there. Yes,
I mean if they don't like you, you kind of feel it.
So it's on. It's on that.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Immediate gratification of that audience watching you, you watching them,
you performing and non stop. There's no cut, you know
what I mean, It's just action and you go until
the show is over. And it was an amazing experience
that I realized for me was I was, you know,
even though I hadn't done a lot of theater yet,
I was a theater kid because my parents were in
theater and that's how they trained me as a performer.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Hey, Gandhi had another question for you. What's that? Gandhi?

Speaker 8 (12:40):
So you have so many talents. You've done a million things,
from hosting to acting. We know that you're a good singer.
You've obviously done Broadway. Is there a chance that we
get more of that in the future?

Speaker 7 (12:48):
From you.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, I would love to do bad Way again. You know,
it's so funny. I just was watching a clip of
Denzel online. He was like, you don't learn how to
act in movies, you learn how to act on stage.
And I was like, shit, I got to be back
on stage. But I am actually gonna be doing something
next year, and I'm hoping everything goes good. You know,
it's so hard to get one of those Broadway theaters.
But there's a project with spring Hill and Debbie Allen

(13:09):
called Ali and Fletcher about the Muhamad Ali story and
his relationship with Stephen Fletcher. And I would be playing
his Muhammad Ali's first wife Sonjy, and so I'm very
excited about that. It's just a it's a play, so
there's no music, but I love being on stage. I
would love, obviously to work with Debbie Allen. She's iconic.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Debbie Allen has the full package.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes, you know, she really does well.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I could be like the first old white gay guy,
Debbie Allen.

Speaker 7 (13:38):
She's gonna spin her coffee.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Uncle all come on, guncle.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
For that? Why not?

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Gosh, I mean, why not?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I have a question about the book if I listen
to it on like an audible.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Are you telling your story? Yes, yes, I live. Take
an edible. Turn on the audible, Now that's a move.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's a move if you're just turning us on. A
Master of Me is her new biography. It's Keiky Palmer.
Of course I love the cover.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Okay, of course, I'm sure you've been asked. I'm gonna
ask you again. It's a beautiful photo of Kiki and
she's holding a marionette, who obviously is you, I'm assuming yep.
So meaning you're a puppet, you're being you're controlling you,
or someone's controlling you. This is the old you that's
now being controlled by you that you speak, controlled by others.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
What the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I think it was a lot of everything you just said.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
I think, I think that the truth is I've always
been controlling me. But I think as you grow older,
you become more concrete and intentional behind the moves you make,
and the influences outside of you don't have as much
of an impact anymore. And so I chose this cover
because also as a performer, people are always trying to

(14:53):
tell you who to be and how to be, or
even just existing as a performer, You're kind of seen
as this one dimensional thing. And I'm moving in a
place for me in my career that I've always wanted
to be, which is I'm not just a performer. I
have ideas behind that, you know, I put, you know,
for me, Keiky Palmer, It's a brand that my mother
and I created, and I want to start to tell
that full story, not just a story of what movie

(15:15):
I'm doing or this thing that I'm in, but like
the real meaning behind why I started in this business,
what it means for my community, where I want to
take it, and what I want, you know, not in
this overly drawn out thing, but what I want my
legacy to be.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I don't want it to just be me, Kiki. I
wanted to be.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Everything I stood for, you know. And so that's that's
the next chapter of what I'm talking about when it
comes to the story I'm telling to my audience.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well, in just fifteen minutes, look at all of the
definition that she has shown or shined the light on her,
and we've learned so much about you.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
You're not leaving yet, yes.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yes, so now you're growing up in this business. You
know all about this business. You're writing about it. Your
son comes to you and says, Mom, this is what
I want to do with my life. Do you say
yes or do you say run the other direction?

Speaker 6 (15:58):
I say yes, But I tell him exactly what I
was just telling y'all, which is it's going to come
with like, by the way, if it's not entertainment, it's
gonna be something.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
You know, he's gonna want to do something.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
And you can see it already, because you know.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Everybody likes something. I want him to find something. If
it's sports, if it's writing, it's oh my god. He's
not even too yet.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
He'll be two in February, but you know what, he's
already in his eye a stage.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yes, he can take the spot.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Personality is coming through. And it's crazy, it really is.
He's always attacking his aunties. It's too much. But yeah,
I would just tell him that what my parents told
me is that you start something, you finish it, you
know what I mean. I think that's tough sometimes, but
I think it's so important. And even though it was
tough for me in moments, I'm really happy that I
stuck through my thing, which was performing, and I've learned

(16:43):
so much about myself. Through staying committed into that. So
that's why I would let him know is that if
you're gonna start something, you need to finish it, and
I'm I'm gonna make sure you finish it. So if
you would soccer, if it's acting, and we commit to
doing it, son, then that's gonna be the thing. And
until we realize, like maybe you know, finish it all
the way to the end and if you still don't
want to do it, then cool. But when you get
over that, heel that you start to have that true

(17:05):
relationship with that thing.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Wow, you know, and just hearing you speak about your
life and how you definitely are taking the reins you're
in charge. There's a lot of power into being able
to as an actor sit back and let someone else
take a little bit of control over your movements, your thoughts,
how you process apart. Yes, and a story. Absolutely, So

(17:29):
you have to really trust yourself to be able to
let So it's like I have to go I have
to go in for brain surgery. I have to know
I got to give up. I gotta or let the
surgeons in charge. Now, yes, the pilot in the front
of the plane, he's in charge of my life. Now,
and I have to submit to that. Yes, And it
takes self love to be able to let others drive

(17:51):
the car, it really does.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
And it's there's so much autonomy.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
I think we get scared sometimes with that reality, but
there's so much an autonoity. Autonomy is saying I choose
you as doctor, or I choose you as the director,
or I choose you as the producer I'm gonna make this.
I choose you as the collaborator that I'm going to
do my show with. There's still autonomy and you surrendering
yourself to that person. And that's why I always say
you should have partners that you respect, you know, anytime
you go into a situation like I'm on set sometimes

(18:15):
and I'll see an actor going back and forth with director,
I'm like, what you did this movie for?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
If you didn't trust the dude, why'd you do the movie?

Speaker 7 (18:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (18:23):
And so for me, that's one of the most exciting
things to do as a collaborator in anything I do,
is to surrender with my partner and to find that
thing together, you know, because that's I think that's what
it's about.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
We only have a few more seconds Gandhi head of question,
took the headphones.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
We go again.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
I know that you were recently talking about your experience
with the mac Gala.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
Is the mac Gala something you would.

Speaker 8 (18:48):
Recommend other people going to or is it something people
should avoid.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
I don't know that people should avoid it, but I
definitely don't know that it's for everybody.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right, So wait, what was your experience? What did you think?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just felt out of place. I felt uncomfortable. I
didn't like what I was wearing. All these people around
me were I was being pushed around. I feel like
it was in a hallway.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Most people could feel that way. It's a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
It doesn't matter how much big of a celebrity or
whatever you are, you still get you feel pushed around
and a carpet.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Like the most exciting thing, and then once you get
inside it's not as exciting.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
I mean, there's like a performance aspect, So if you like,
you know, if you're interested in who's the performer, or
if you know people in there, you know you have
people that you want to talk to. But ultimately, I
think it's like a you know, I realized and without
saying like a networking event. But essentially it's a place
for you to collaborate with fashion, you know, as an entertainer,
whatever your medium means, it's an opportunity for you to

(19:40):
find other people to collaborate and tell stories with. But
I don't think that you feel that way going in
the first time. It's kind of overwhelming, you don't really
you know, fashion can feel elitist, so you sometimes are
like did I wear the right thing? And you're questioning
your a vibe and did I get the theme right?
But once you've gone back a couple more times, you realize, Okay,
this is I'm really with a group of storytellers and

(20:01):
they're used in fashion to tell their story, and then
that becomes a little bit more interesting, you know what
I'm saying. Like the first couple of times I went
with Sergio Hudson and he was the person that really
helped me to understand it from that standpoint, you know,
And then I you know, went the second the next
time with Mark Jacobs and the same thing. And so
if it can become a really cool thing if you're
into it. So if you're not, then it's like, uh,

(20:21):
but if you are, you know what I mean? Then
I would say, go for it.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
You know who I'm loving this is a designer who
listens to show, has been listening to our show since. Okay,
he's amazing. His name is stand by Evan Hirsch. Okay,
he's a big he's a big listener her show. He's
got a lot of stuff. I mean, I didn't see
you some ins, Evan hurt you.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Do you do?

Speaker 7 (20:42):
I gotta get even stound me.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Come on, so don't did you get to did you
get the answer to the question because we don't want
to and off we splintered.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Off.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
Well, I saw that she said Nicki Minaj. She thought
Nicki Minaj was gonna curse her out, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Because she doesn't play. Okay, I don't heard something.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
So I was like, now wait a minute, Nikki. You
know I don't do it to me. But yeah, she
was actually really really sweet. She's I've always had a
really good relationship with her whenever I've seen her. It's
not a real relationship, but like she helped me get
my pictures for my uh you know, my baby photos
for David la Chapelle. And then when I seen her
at the mc gala, she was like, you know, pull
me to the side. I didn't know what she was
gonna say, because, like I said, I don't talk to

(21:17):
her that much.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
But she was really encouraging.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
And it's something that I mentioned in the book that
I think, and I'm sure you feel the same way.
You know, you got all of us in our industry,
you know it, we're normal people and stuff like that,
but the job sometimes makes our experiences very unique, and
even the people closest to us don't always know how
to help us with that. So I felt, really, I
really loved the moment of her what she shared with me,

(21:40):
which was to make selfish choices even though I feel
the weight of people watching me. Wow, it's okay to
be selfish and make selfish choices even though people are
watching me.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Because your life is still your personal life. You're allowed
to have it.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
And I think I am somebody that takes my being
a public figure quite seriously. And so at that time
when she said that, it was very encouraging to me
because it's like, yeah, you know what, every choice I making,
everything I do don't have to be for the world's
okay if it's if it's just for me, This.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Is gonna apply to people who are not in public,
I mean anyone in everyone. No matter what you're doing
in life, you can make selfish choices. You can and
you should because no one will make those selfish choices.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
For you for you.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Hey, so there's someone here wants to meet you. David
works in our promo department.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
He brought you. He brought you flowers. Don't mess up
the hair. There's hugging going on. He brought you some flowers.
So sweet, David.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
David was so excited you were coming in here todays babe, David.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
David Keky Palmer. David, how are you nice to meet you?
I never get nervous, but like for you, I'm taking
the flowers are beautiful, David, what what's your question? So?
What have we learn from Kiki so far? Today? Everything?

Speaker 5 (23:02):
I think your book got on Amazon yesterday, so it
was waiting for me when I came home. But your
first work, you talked about not being typecasted and you know,
trying to not stick to one role. And that's kind
of what I've been through in my career, not trying
to stick to this one box.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Right.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
I was following you forever and I was telling Diamond
like I was channel hopping with you, so when you
were on Disney would jump in and then Nick with
True Jackson and my grandma and I saw Kila and
the Bee like I was there. So I'm such a
big fan and just thank you for the representation of me,
like growing up being young, gay, not having anybody.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
To look up to. I was like, okay, well I'm
not a girl.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
But I could definitely watch and learn from you, like
just having that representation, having an icon.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Thank you so much for everything that you just said
to me. So much to me, seriously.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Just idols and idols that are still here, still working,
still getting coins.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
For every for everyone David you meet, there's hundreds of
thousands of other David's out there, or Donna's or you
know or not. Then my pronoun is it? What does
it want? It's on the phone. But anyway, but David
David is vocalizing what many people want to say to you,

(24:29):
so just he is the chorus of of your fans.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
So I just enjoying those flowers.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Thank you so much, And I got to tell you
it's a pleasure and honor to have you here. The
book is called Master of Me. Obviously, you've heard many
reasons why you need to make this thing in New
York Times bestseller.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I learned this with my book.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you're just on that New York Times bestseller list
for one minute, you've got it because I was for
about a minute period.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I know that's right. Well, you got to let me
rub on you.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm like David Kikey Pomper, just love me an event.
Thank you so much for coming in.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's you got a long day when you're pushing books,
you get some come gandhi.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
You know y'all got to be in a studio.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Y'all gotta be how sad I am right now. I'm
so sad.

Speaker 8 (25:14):
Every time we mentioned you, I was like, I'm so
sad that I'm not there today.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
I know you were definitely definitely here, so you are.
It's Kicky Palmer. Everyone. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Good morning, good morning.

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