Full Show Podcast: 03 March 2025

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Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number seventy eight for Monday,
the third of March twenty twenty five. Thank you so
much for tuning the podcast. Doozy and Absolute Doozy, don't
listen to us when we say what we're going to
talk about on the show, because we get deep into
a fantastic chat about the Ukraine running a proxy topic

(00:40):
around what Zelensky wore to the White House, but it
got deep on all angles and boy ho boy, we
could have talked about that for five hours.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh man, it went crazy on the phones and ticks
and also somehow ended up talking about the Piewards.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah yeah, so started with Zelensky and ended up with
the Bakal Supreme Pie Awards. So it's a great couple
of hours of listening. So subscribe, sit to download, share,
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Speaker 3 (01:23):
Good afternoon, Do you welcome into the show? Seven past
the one great to have your company is always a
big show. Today many huge show, Tyler, We've got a
lot on.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
After two o'clock. The realities of buying a home with
your friends that is causing trouble. More and more people
are doing it because it's harder to get onto the
property at Letta. So maybe you get three four friends
together by a house, but you can see how that
could go wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
It sounds like a good idea, but man, man, you
better make sure it's ironclad legal wise.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
So if you've got into that kind of relationship or
you're looking at doing it, would like to hear from
you tips if you have been in that relationship and
it's gone wrong, or tips if you've been in that
kind of house buying relationship and has gone well.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Absolutely. After three o'clock, the Warriors lost in Las Vegas.
There was hype and hope after a positive pre season.
Thousands of die hard fans made the trip to Sin
City for it, and as we now know, the Warriors
struggled to get anything going. But the question we want
to put to you is magical thinking in sport? Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
So me and a friend and a few friends, we
always have a red wine at the start of Warriors games.
It's kind of tradition. We believe that it's an offering
to the team. And we didn't for this game and
they lost, and now does that mean we have to
do it forever. I've got a friend called g Lane.
Whenever he travels overseas to see a team, they lose.

(02:47):
So we call it the Curse of Glane and we've
changed its name to the Grim Lane, the Grim Reaper.
So we just want to talk about that magical thinking.
You know, it's crazy, obviously, but what do you do
to make your team win? Do you We don't believe
in these curses, but we do believe in the curses.
There was the curse of the cake Tin that was
going around until it was broken.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
There was the goat curse obviously with the Cubs, the
Curse of the Goat, you remember that one, yes, And
there was also the Curse of the Goose for the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
A lot of animal related superstitions, yeah, but clearly not working.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Basically, If anything, abnormal happens during a game and your
team loses and or continues to lose after that, then
that becomes a curse. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
That is after three o'clock and just before we get
into our discussion, now, let's have a quick chat about
the Oscars. It's underway right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
So the Oscars, it's obviously waning an influence, and I've
got to say, must be the weakest contend films for
Best Picture for a very very long time, and not
a lot of controversially swinging around all of them. Also,
we're in a heated political situation now, so you're going
to have actors getting on stage and doing their little

(04:01):
political bits. So I thought before if you're going to
watch the Oscars today or before the furry flurry, I
think that's weird. Yeah, flurry, flurry of flurry off yep.
I was just thinking, is that a milkshake? The flurry
of you know, audio bites from actors getting on stage.
I thought it would be good to cleanse the pellet
with this from the twenty twenty Golden Globes and Ricky Gervais.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
If you do win an award tonight, don't use it
as a platform to make a political speech. Right, You're
in no position to lecture the public about anything. You
know nothing about the real world.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Most of you.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Spent less time in school than Greta Thumburg. So if
you win, right, come up, accept your little award, thank
your agent and your God and gough.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Okay, wow gets old? Does Yeah? Gets old?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
But I've seen and I think that did die down
some of the sort of moralizing that was that was
coming out of award ceremonies for a bit. But I
think it's kritbek and there's been there's been a long
time since that statement. So in recent awards I've seen
a bit and and at the Bafts there was a
lot of that that's sort of moralizing from this elitist position.

(05:13):
So we'll see if we get it today on the oscars.
But you keep that in mind from Ricky ja Goo
very well said.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Good reminder. Right, let's have a chat about this. It was,
as we saw on the weekend, and I'm sure we
all saw at an extraordinary meeting in the Oval office
between Donald Trump, President, Donald Trump, Vice President jad Vance
and Zolensky.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, so look it got heated and if you watch,
I mean, as as usual, what we do is we
get these little cuts, these little sound bites that have
blasted out on the news and social media. I watched
the whole fifty minutes, and it's a very different thing.
For most of it, it was quite cordial. There was
a few sort of snide comments from Zelenski here and there,
and then he had to go at jd Vance and

(05:53):
he came back and blew up, and then the whole
thing just ended. What's interesting about it is seeing that
normally those kinds of discussions happened behind closed doors, so
it was interesting to see it.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It was.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It told us a lot, and it's made a lot
of people very angry. But we want to we want
to zero in on a sort of a niche thing,
because everyone's gone over it and raked over the coals
of this endlessly. So Zelenski turns up in his typical sweatshet,
his outfit he has been wearing since the start of
the war has appeared in a number of places like that.

(06:27):
It's it's an arm at war. I don't have time
for a suit suit outfit. And and that irged Trump
a little bit. I think, I mean Trump, Trump's a businessman.
This whole life every other negotiation, and he kind of
looks at the world in this way where everything's in
negotiation rightly or wrongly, like it's a business deal. So
he's going to go in. He believes in the art
of the deal, and he's going to go in. So

(06:48):
every other negotiation he's probably ever been, and everyone someone's
turned up in a suit. So so when Zelensky arrives
at the White House and they're shaking hands, Trump says, this, pretty.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
He's all dressed up today.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
He's all tree stuff today.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Which is the kind of thing that you know, if
you were going around to you know, your parent, if
your parents, you're in law's house and you and you're
wearing just a singlet, they might go, oh, nice to
see you've made an effort, you know, sort a little
a little gentle ribbing. But from has noticed it. He
has noticed that you have worn this and not a suit.
And then later on a reporter in the Oval office

(07:27):
said this to Zelenski.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
Wear a suit.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
I will wear of course some after finish, yes, maybe
maybe something like yes, maybe something something better.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
Maybe something.

Speaker 9 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
So pretty good answer from Zelenski. But the question is
why you're wearing a suit? Do your your own a suit.
So it's some talking as disrespectful that he didn't wear
a suit, and can what you wear be disrespectful and
lower the chances of success because Zelenski was going in
there for a negotiation, right, and it does look like
the suit has become an issue. Is what you wear

(08:24):
an indication of your intentions in this case or in
other cases? Or are we in a postsuit world? Is
it say, for example, like with me, right, I do
quite a bit of MC. And if it's like an
award ceremony, right, if I turn up, I wear a
suit because it's showing that I respect the audience and
I think that the situation is elevated enough for me

(08:46):
to wear what I wouldn't normally wear. And so I've
dry cleaned my suit and I make sure it looks great.
And you know, I still look terrible because my face
is sticking out the top of the suit, but I
do my best to look great.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's an important thing because I've noticed that about yourself.
And it's a good thing that you've always got a
suit jacket on on standby if you need it. And
it was one event that we went to on behalf
of the company, and I said to you, I said,
what do you reckon about the dress code? He so, oh,
I'll keep it pretty casual, and you just stayed at casual.
So I turned up in a blimin T shirt and
just normal chinos, and I'm thinking, man, I'm way underdressed here.

(09:19):
And you rock up in the suit jacket.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm like, well that's casual, the suit jacket without the
without the full suit.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Say smart in front of that smart casule.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
But yeah, but it was noted and you're not even
fighting a war. Yeah, so you've got no excuse.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Just wanted to high tail it out of there. But good.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
So bringing it back to too Zelenski and that broader question,
how important is it to dress for the occasion? Love
to hear from you on oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. The text machine has lit up, so we'll
get to some of those very shortly. It is quarter
past one.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
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Speaker 4 (09:58):
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Speaker 4 (10:04):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Eighteen past one, and we've asked the question. Is it
important to dress for the occasion or certainly to strategize
a head of a meeting like Zelensky had with Donald
Trump and Jade Vance.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, was that a good strategy to wear? Where's or
does it not matter at all? Shared your thoughts on this, hey, guys.

Speaker 10 (10:25):
Yeah, it's just actually just jumped in the car and
heard the topic. And this is sort of an area
that I've got some experience with. And there's two real
factors that come into play. The first is embodiment and
the second is aesthetic leadership and perception. Now, if you
think about the US in the US, to be perceived

(10:47):
as a leader, well you've got to wear a suit, right. Also,
if you're meeting with the other leaders, then they the
way that they perceive you. I call it the leadership aesthetic.
They perceive you as a leader by your attire. Now,
then could have been taken too really could have approached
us in two ways. The one is he probably wears

(11:10):
a sweat, sweatshirts and whatever else he was wearing because
he wants his people in the Ukraine to perceive him
as embody, embody, that leadership aesthetic that that it is
dealing with in him, and he's probably trying to pull
that off and show that to the rest of the world,
which is totally understandable. But then when it comes to

(11:32):
the US and actually presenting yourself as a leader to
other leaders, this is a way I think it's important
to dress as a leader and to be perceived that way.
So that's that was just my take on it.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
They shared that this would have been discussion for them,
but of course he's always appeared. He's appeared. It's in
front of another number of parliaments. Another issues in that
and that what he wears, and it's him saying where
at war, I'm knuckling down. If he had put on
a suit for this particular particular event, this particular meeting
that he asked for at the at the White House,

(12:06):
would that have been a too big a statement in itself?

Speaker 10 (12:11):
Tough to say. I think his overall mission really is
to show the world that, you know, he is in
the trenches, right, that's the perception he wants to show off.
He's struggling, his country struggling he wants, you know, makes
a lot of sense. But I think for the US specifically,
putting other countries aside, if you don't wear a like

(12:32):
I've been to I've worked in the US and understand
how they think. If you don't wear a suit to work,
you know, you're really considered a sort of blue collar worker.
You're not really considered a leader of any sort. So
I think the US context is probably a little bit
biased in this in this sense.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, and especially with Trump, you'd say as well.
So that was my understanding with Trump. He's done. He
consider himself the deal maker out of the deal. He's
done a lot of negotiations around the table. Every single
negotiation he's probably ever done, someone has turned up in
a suit, and when they don't, and to be fair,
it is it is Zelenski that is looking for money,

(13:12):
weapons and diplomatic support. He's he's the one coming in.
I mean, part of part of the whole, you know,
Trump movement would be they'd be quite average just to
get out of Ukraine. You know that their supporters don't
want to spend any money there. Most of us, a
lot of America don't even know where Ukraine is. They've
got their problems at home. So he's going there to
sell himself. But yeah, I totally see what you're saying.

(13:33):
It's it's a strange one because it's like that the
suit says leadership in America, but what has what he
wears says leadership, and that he's down in the dirt
and he stayed in the Ukraine to fight and that.
So so what you wear is it's a signal, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (13:51):
It is a signal. It is, it is, And it's
how your followers to see you, right, It's how you
embody them as a leader. You embody your followers as
a leader.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
By what you wear.

Speaker 10 (14:01):
And if you're trying to embody, you know, a country
at war, then yeah, maybe it's not such a bad thing.
If you're going to have a meeting with the US
president and his delegates, then maybe reconsider that.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well that's yeah. I mean, that's what I worry about
is these things are highly orchestrated and there's a lot
of intel given to each leaders about how this thing
should play out. And I get it. The military garb
has worked out very well from a pr standpoint for Zelenski.
But if his team or Trump's team said to him,
might pay for you to turn up in a suit

(14:34):
to this discussion and he didn't, then that is a
poor strategic move on his part, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (14:39):
Yeah, I mean you even saw the reporters rather, even
the reporters noticed, they were like, oh, you're not in
a suit. I didn't watch the whole thing. I couldn't
get through it, but just I just had to turn
it off because it's a bit cringey. But the point is,
you know, even the public was noticing that, Okay, this
gugment of leader because he's nowhere in a sirk. Why
don't you were in serk.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Ye, thank you so much for your for your your
call there, chaird interesting stuff. Yeah, I mean the heads
up thing that you point out, Tyler is such a
key point and I think I think that would have
been discussed. Do I do this and then to my people,
you know what am I putting out? Because he's on
a sales trip. Basically he's trying to sell Ukraine and
their struggle and their position, and so they would have

(15:22):
definitely gone, I know where that you got to wear that,
that's what you've worn the whole time. And maybe they
got it, maybe they got a little bit wrong. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I mean when you look at the meeting that Starma
had with Trump, and I know very different about the
garb and what they were wearing. But clearly that was
a strategic decision what Starma did in that meeting to
praise Trump and to have it very congenial.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
This Texas says that is bs. Sorry. A thousand texts
come in. They're saying, BESQ, Musk doesn't wear a suit,
you idiots. Musk isn't going in to ask for anything.
Musk is the richest man in the world. He's not
asking for a single thing. So it's what you're wanting
and what you want to get out. You know, you
dress for what you want to achieve.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call boards. But keep trying if you can't
get through. It is twenty four past one.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So where does the wall go?

Speaker 4 (16:19):
After the White House melt down?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
From the C four Strategic and International Studies Senior advisor
Mike Keansian's with us.

Speaker 11 (16:25):
This was a very uncomfortable exchange. Zolenski was trying to
explain himself.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
He was cut off.

Speaker 11 (16:32):
These kinds of exchanges I think are not uncommon in diplomacy,
but they're done behind closed doores not in front of
the press.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Do you see a way to get America back at
the table or not?

Speaker 11 (16:43):
That's very hard to say. The administration has been very
skeptical about a to Ukraine. They become increasingly hostile to
Ukraine's back.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with May
these real Estates news talks.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
It being good afternoon, twenty seven past one.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Very conscientious, conscientious, Well, I've lost my words today. I
think it's up that warrior's losses yelling.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
So much of the conscienti contentious, contentious that it is Monday,
give us a break, but it's kicked off on the
tics machine.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
You get peace by coming to arguments that are acceptable
for the cards you hold. Trump is right, Ukraine unfortunately
holds very little. That's from being guys. Could you imagine
the media coverage of Zelensky had worn a suit to
do a reported a deal selling his country's assets to Trump. Yeah,
I think that's one hundred percent right. And that's what
Chad was kind of saying before, wasn't it. It's a statement,
So if he had worn a suit, that would have

(17:37):
been a clear statement if he hadn't, so I think
they probably I think they probably thought about this quite
a bit. Yeah, the Ukrainians.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
But just on there quickly before we go back to
the phones. That that statement of wearing a suit to
President Trump and JD Varnce, if you're going to sign
a deal and you need the support of America going forward,
and you know it's already controversial, and you can see
President Trump is pretty irate about how things are going
and he wants it to be ended, and he's threatened

(18:06):
to pull out. Surely that is a small thing to say,
I have done what you've requested, or I have shown
respect as you see it coming to this meeting.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And you know what kind of guy Trump is, right,
and so America, certain parts of America, large amounts of
America want a thank you basically because they feel like
they've given a whole lot of money to the Ukraine.
They absolutely have, but they feel like they've given a
whole lot of money to Ukraine and then when they're
struggling themselves. So Trump's coming from a base that doesn't

(18:38):
really want to support Ukraine. So it's Zelensky that's doing
the sales pitch rightly or wrongly. I'm taking let's take
the whole moral thing out of it, because you know,
there's you know, Zelensky has every right to be so
angry at what's happened. And can you imagine the situation
if you're Zelensky, you know people that have died, You've
seen your country be attacked, You've seen horrible, horrible things.

(19:02):
You would have to be superhuman to be able to
get past that and do what you need to do
to get the deal with you company country. But ultimately
that's your jobs to do whatever it is, dress anyway
you want, say whatever you want to get further support
from the United States and get a deal.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, basically, yeah, absolutely, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
So the number to call, Colleen, How are you?

Speaker 12 (19:24):
I'm good. I don't actually agree with you, guys. I
think you're just feeding into a shallow, egotist, psychopathic lunacy.

Speaker 13 (19:33):
Okay, Donald Trump is a nutter.

Speaker 12 (19:34):
Here is a complete nutter. Zelensky knew going in there
what to expect, and I think he had dignity and
nana and good on him because the way Trump and JD.
Vance behaved said a lot about them quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Do you agree, though, Colleen? It was Zelensky that was,
you know, and you have that opinion on Trump, and
Zelensky may well have that opinion on Trump. But Zelensky
was going there to get something from that particular person
who is the most powerful person in the world right now.
So do you not agree that he has to do
what it takes to get what he needs for his country.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
No.

Speaker 12 (20:13):
I think he's doing what it takes to get what
he needs for his country by standing up to Putin
and he was told to go to America and sign
over the mineral rights.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
He asked for the meeting. He did ask for this
meeting at the White House, of.

Speaker 12 (20:26):
Course, yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. But the whole idea
of Trump accepting the meeting was he had the expectation
that Zelenski was going to roll over there is belly
and sign over the mineral rights of Ukraine and then
let Putin take whatever bits of Crimera and Dennetsk and
whatever he wanted.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Do you see an energy? Did you see that there's
a possible end to this war where the Ukraine wins.

Speaker 12 (20:51):
I don't think they'll win. I don't think they should
just roll over and die though, because if they do,
the Balkans will be next, all those other little republics.
You do know that Putin is trying to put the
USSR back together, right.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, okay, you know when you say dying though, And look,
we're just asking questions having a conversation here, right So
I'm just going to ask you a question when you
talk about the dying. So if there is no exit
strategy from this situation, because we all know that the
Ukraine can never win, they can never beat Russia, that
that's that's I think we can we can all agree

(21:27):
on that if a deal is going to be made
at some point, are we just putting a whole lot
of Ukrainian people through the meat grinder until that deal happens?
And because you know, people are dying right now in
the Ukraine, and if there's never going to be a
meaningful victory for the Ukraine, how long do we continue
on before we find you know, look for whatever piece

(21:50):
deal we can get and however painful it is for
both sides.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
Yeah, I think it's up to the Ukrainians to decide that.
It's not like where are the royal We we know
we're telling them give up. No, they have the right
to choose to not give up and to choose to
fight because if they don't want to be Russian.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Colleen, they can't fight without American weapons.

Speaker 14 (22:15):
Or the.

Speaker 12 (22:17):
Well, it looks like they're going to get more EU support.
That seems to be the trend at the moment. And
I think we play a very dangerous game if we
let Trump dictate the terms of everything in this deal,
because it's not a deal if Ukraine doesn't have a voice.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, yeah, and I understand
what you're saying, but you know, he did have a
voice in that. He was in that. There's been a
lot of negotiations in the background over the last ten
days in the States and the Ukrainian people have met
with everyone. What do you say to the constant that
this is the idea that's been floated. If America has
business interests in the Ukraine with this, with this rare

(23:00):
mineral deal, then that is a form of security in itself,
because Russia would be attacking American interests, hacked the Ukraine.

Speaker 12 (23:10):
I think that's just double speak. I don't think. I
don't think America will do anything under Trump that does
not serve America first, Russia second, and everyone else at
the end of the line. Okay, well thanky, And you know,
if America cared about how much money they spent on
Obse's wars, they'd stop funding Israel.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Colleen, thank you very much for your call. Colin. We've
got to go to the headlines.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yep, appreciate your thoughts absolutely. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number of call. We are late,
but we're gonna absolutely take more of your calls on
this one very shortly.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two
is the text number twenty seven to two.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Do you talk.

Speaker 15 (23:53):
There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble
with a blue bubble. The opposition sounding the alarm around
health restructures after a PSA surveys found eighty one percent
of the thirteen hundred health members believe cuts have damned
image services. Ukraine's presidents have suggested he'll resign if it
would get his country NATO membership. He's joint leaders from

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Europe and Canada and agreeing a four step plan to
end the war with Russia. An Auckland based Canadian billionaire
previously linked to an alternative news venture, has taken a
substantial holding in media company enz Me, buying a nine
point three percent share. Specialist police negotiators have been called
to a protest at christ Church's Rolliston where Peace Action

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or Tutahi members have scaled the roof of international weapons
company Naya and others have barricaded entrances. The Foreign Ministers
hosted two key Cook Islands officials at a meal over
the weekend, but hasn't answered questions on what was discussed.
The Forgotten All Black showing why he needs another chance.

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Speaker 3 (25:05):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and it has kicked off
on these texts machine and the phone lines which we love. O.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. If
you can't get through, keep trying, but plenty of teachs
coming through, guys, guys.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Lezlenski turned up for the handshakes, photos and lunch and
totally out of left field in front of Trump and
world media, said he won't ever agree to a ceasefire.
He was going to use American mineral workers a shields
to lob armaments at the lying distrustful Russians. Trump quite
rightly said this man does not want peace. He can
come back when he does, and rightly chucked him out. Yeah.

(25:42):
I mean, the thing is, it's so hard for Zelensky
to want peace. And he may want peace, but there's
I mean, we've seen this in every every confrontation in
the world. He's seeing terrible things. He has every reason
to just be so full of hate that, as I
was saying before, it would take a superhuman to not
flare up like he did. Yeah, and you know, he

(26:03):
came in. He was competitive, and I've watched the whole
fifty minutes. Zelensky was more competitive than people are saying
leading up to that moment. And then he went for JD. Bart,
which I think was quite an quite a probably a
mistake considering that what you're trying to trying to achieve,
But you can totally understand it because he hates Putin

(26:25):
for what Putin's done to his country. But in the end,
as a leader, you've got to find the best possible
deal for your country. What that is is probably harder
to work out just quickly.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Picking up on what Colin was saying, and I understand
which she's coming from. And regardless of how I feel
about Trump or how you feel about Trump, he is
the president of the United States of America and Zelensky
needs America's help to continue providing weapons and to come
to some sort of conclusion to this war. So, however
you feel about those individuals, at that level, you've got

(26:55):
to be more strategic. And whether Zelenski, You're quite right,
he has seen some serious, seriously heartbreaking things over the
last four years or whenever this war erupted, but the
fact that it came in their guns blazing was not
a strategy that was going to work out for him.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, and look, maybe the EU is this as we're hearing,
the EU are getting together and maybe they'll bolster up.
But what Zlenzu's gon to understand is Trump doesn't lose
if he just is out of there and he steps back,
and then Europe just burns itself and fights each other
for the rest of eternity. Peter, your thoughts, well.

Speaker 16 (27:32):
He didn't want the meeting, as in President Trump, but
I think the French president talked him into it, and
of course Trump aggravated situations by supplying keV with javelins
when he was the president and Brazooonkski was offered a
peace deal in twenty twenty two between April and March.

(27:59):
April and Peuson had his representas him keep in Istanbul
and Boris Johnson went to keV and said, no, no,
if you accept that peace deal with Russia, the US
and UK won't defend you anymore, will defend you as
long as it takes. And of course if he did it,

(28:20):
then they wouldn't have lost, you know, the million people
plus everything else. So he was portrayed by the West,
and the West, you know, uses approximately and then they
eventually walk away, like Afghanistan in the US, like Vetnam
and all.

Speaker 17 (28:34):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 16 (28:35):
So Trump really is trying to help Ukraine by saying,
you better stop it because you're getting smaller territory, you're
losing lots of people, and you'll stopping there. But Trump
has got no deal in it to bring about peace
at all. And Starma is having negotiations for peace deals,

(28:57):
but he's not inviting Russia or any other non European
country or even European countries that do the border Russia.
So the UK and Europe are trying to prolong this conflict,
and Trump, by not being able to stop it in
the League Sky not want to do it. They're letting
Russia carry on the killing and carrying on on and expanding.

(29:18):
So Russia is not going to have any European troops
there that they've already said that, So no way. So
Starmer is just a political extender of the conflict, and
he should go starmash because he's adding to the conflict,
he's not trying to reduce it. And the British you know,
New Zealand did supply money to the UK to buy

(29:39):
weapons to kill Russians without declaring war on Russia. If
I was Russia, I'd be saying of the UK, we
already know about the terrorism activities that you've been involved with.
I suggest you stop or we're attacked here. And I
think they basically said that now.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So what you're saying is what people a lot of
people have been saying since the start. This is a
proxy war trying to weaken Russia, and that could go
on for as long and you know it's not necessarily
against europe interests or perceived interests the wider Europe to
just run this war and weaken Russia and keep Russia's
focus on this for as long as long as it

(30:17):
can and come out the other end with Western Europe
stronger and Eastern Europe weaker.

Speaker 12 (30:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (30:24):
Well, Europe hasn't got the weapons, the US hasn't got
the weapons, and Russia has. And the Mince agreements that
they did do. The former Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkle,
and the former president of the US along have both
admitted they did the Mints agreements to give Ukraine time
to beat Russia. But all the experts have said that

(30:46):
there's no way Ukraine can beat Russia. Russia has more population,
more weapons, more nuclear weapons, and as Trump said, if
they attack support Ukraine, that's World War three.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
So what does Europe think victory would be? Then? What
would be considered a victory? Because it's another war where
people are talking about victory but they're not at saying
what victory is. Is it Russia retreating back to nineteen
ninety one borders and it's right, And then but then
then that's not victory in this Russia is somehow never

(31:22):
going to invade again.

Speaker 16 (31:24):
Yeah, well, Russia has not invaded without good reason. And
way back in two thousand and eight Russia Persian said
that if for Ukraine Jewish NATO, that's a red line.
But Russia is not using and they can't use the
NATO thing to attack Ukraine. What they used is when
the coup happened in two thousand and eight where a

(31:46):
Ukraine banned the speaking of Russians and they had a coup,
and the people in Crome there and the people on
the east joining Russia did not want to accept the
result of the coup because that wasn't elected by the people.
And Selinsky ran on a peace plan and he didn't
deliver it. And he can't deliver because he's got neo

(32:06):
Nazis who will fill him if he lives a piece plant.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
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Speaker 3 (32:30):
Be good afternoon, having a great discussion about the meeting
with Zelenski and Donald Trump and of course JD. Vance
as well, and speaking about the garb that he decided
to wear. Clearly that was a part of why that
meeting disintegrated. But'd love to hear from you on a
one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Pete.

Speaker 18 (32:51):
Your thoughts, kay, gentlemen in ar think Lynsky is he
is what he is, that's what he wears and he's
only sort of wearing that because he's at war and
he's representing his country to who he is.

Speaker 19 (33:04):
And why should he change for the US? You know,
he goes, he goes to other country, that's a standards,
a uniform. People come to him when they visit his country,
regarding Ukraine, where they come and visit his country, that's him.
So why should he change for one country, like if
they don't accept his uniform, or maybe they shouldn't ask

(33:25):
him to come over there.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, the thing is, though, he's the one that's asking
for more money, weapons and diplomatic support, and he's already
received a lot from them, So I guess the counter
argument to that is it would be seen as a
mark of respect for what America has done for the Ukraine.
And and you know, just a basic negotiating point that

(33:51):
you turn up and in the uniform that has normally
worn for negotiations, if you are negotiating for the best
possible outcome for your country, that would be the counter
argument to what you're saying, Pete.

Speaker 19 (34:03):
Yeah, but he's he's at war and you watch all
these the colonels or whatever around him secure they wear
any uniform, and I reckon he's just he's he's treating
like a that's the uniform I where to represent his army.
And I don't think he's nothing wrong for that.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, I mean, that's definitely that That's definitely the statement
that he's making, and I think he probably would. I
think it's been a big part of just signaling that
he stayed there and his family stayed there, and a
lot of leaders would have abandoned their country at the time.
And Zelenski's a hero for his country. He's been brave
in the in the the Ukrainian soldiers have been brave,

(34:41):
and that's I think he wears that to signify that,
you know, I'm in with the people that are fighting
for our country, and it is really it's a it's
as a uniform in its own right. To say that,
I'd agree, but I guess you know, this was a
unique circumstance where you're going up against Trump and you're
asking him for something. So some people say that it

(35:04):
would have been a successful gesture if he had worn
the normal negotiating uniform.

Speaker 19 (35:12):
In some ways, they were in the modern world today,
and you know, you look at Trump and as advance,
you know, they were seats and how they treated a
Cylinska the other day, and I actually miles of them
pop were standing up for what he stood at the
end of the day. Is that I watched, I've been
watching the last few days how he got treated. And
you watched the Prime Minister of Denmark. The only way

(35:36):
they're going to stop that war and they they people
got to do that, and if they they got to
be part of the NATO. That's what it has to happen.
Otherwise Peter will be back and then five years down
the track will be back in the same situation. He's
threatened Sweden and Finland if they joined NATA. They've joined.
He never touched them. He's fully aired Peter, and we've

(35:58):
got to stand up to him as far as I can.
In Ukraine should be part of NATO. And you won't
find the Russia or Peter attacking again because they know
that they are part of the ally Group of NATO.
As soon as that happens, for better and we won't
be going walking well happen again, I guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Pete. I mean, yeah,
I mean I think Ukraine coming part of NATO is
pretty much completely off the table now. Yeah, I don't
think anyone is going to get any kind of there
if there was going to be no peace deal. Ever,
if if the UK becomes part of NATO, I think
that would be Puden's absolute last line.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, I mean, I suppose if anything has come out
of that meltdown of them that meeting is that Europe
has galvanized in terms of their spending, right is by
all accounts, the UK, France others have said that maybe
we can't rely on America anymore, and I've tried to
step up as much as they can to increase their

(36:56):
defense spending and indeed their money going into Ukraine. But
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Speaker 2 (37:23):
Het, toypeic stupid. This Texas is that you've taken the
position he had dressed in a suit or would have
been Okay, have you watched the entire meeting? Guardian are
showing it Guardian and appears more like a plan sustained attack.
Trump is a pendulant, petulant child.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, if you believe Trump is a petulant child, I mean,
I think you're missing the entire point of the conversation.
What we are saying is that Zelenski was there to
get more money, weapons and diplomatic sport support. He's looking
at a way you would hope to move towards peace,
whatever that piece should be, and there's a rare minerals

(37:59):
deal on the table. Potentially there's there's borders. He's probably
gonna have to give up some land to Russia. It's
really complicated, and of course he absolutely hates Putin. But
the question around the suit is sort of much like
some people say that the U. Ukraine wore as a
proxy war to drain a Russia of its resources. The
suit chat is a proxy. It's a proxy. Conversation around

(38:24):
the whole dynamics of this, this this White House meeting
with Zelensky, Trump and JD. Vants, I think it says
a whole lot if you are if Trump is a
petulant child, as the Texter is saying, and you want
to get something from that petulent child, then you have
to play that petulent child's game. Forget it, because really
all Zelensky's there is to get the best result for

(38:45):
his country.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
And that would seem to me to be continued support
from the US.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
And by all accounts, that deal was on the table,
right the minerals deal that was there, ready to be signed,
and because it was a bit of a meltdown in
that meeting, that deal wasn't signed and Zolensky left Americas.
So that is a lose lose for everybody he involved.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
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there's so many cares and simony texts and not everyone's
got to say, And of course not everyone will get
a say unfortunately, because we don't have five days to
talk about it. But we'll keep this going after the news. Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (40:03):
Good afternoon to you seven pass too. We're going to
carry this conversation on about Zelenski and what he was
wearing in that meeting in the Oval Office.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, it's a proxy conversation, just to try and lower
the heat a little bit because we want to talk
about the whole Ukraine situation. It's very complicated at the moment.
We all saw what happened in the Oval Office. We
all saw the blow up between Zelenski, vance and Trump.
But we're sort of having a little bit of a
proxy discussion around it, whether because the question was asked,

(40:33):
and this is a huge topic in America where it
was disrespectful what Zelensky wore, because he wore his classic
outfit that he wears, which signals that he's at war
and he's going in to make a deal with the
classic deal maker. Should you Should he have it would
have helped. It would have been a gesture that he's
ready to deal. If he'd worn a suit. It's a
proxy conversation, and as a result, we've had an hour

(40:55):
long friendly conversation about the Ukraine War just by taking
the heat off it a little bit, much like some
would say the Ukraine War is a proxy war. Geez, boys,
you're sound in green. Zelensky has worn his uniform for
three years. Everyone knows that what he means. There's not
a single person in the world that doesn't know he's
worn that for three years, and it was no surprise
that would be what he was wearing for his meeting.
The meeting turned. It was set up by leading question

(41:18):
from a carefully planned pro Trump media lackey. Yeah, we
get that, Yeah, we get that. So there's nothing you've
chexted there that there isn't a single person listening that
doesn't agree with that. As an American says this texter,
I'd love nothing more than to see us was there
with their hands out. Of both the Ukraine conflict and
the Israeli conflict. We have given them heaps for little

(41:39):
to nothing in return, while they stand with their hands
out for more, and the rest of the world looks
at us to fill those hands. Tired of it, most
American people would rather see that money and if it's
spent bringing our country back to the standards we believe
it should be. And I guess that's the problem for Zelinsky.
He's going in to ask for diplomatic support, weapons and
money from a country that's given quite a lot and

(42:02):
has a and has a current president who's supported by
people who largely feel that they want the money spent
at home. So it's a difficult, difficult ask from Zelensky.
And as I kept saying before, absolutely very very difficult
for Zelensky to be completely diplomatic and keepers cool because

(42:23):
of all the things he's seen happened in Ukraine, and
for his hatred for Putin because Putin invaded his country.
You get it, we get it.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's called yep. It's complex. We know that text here. Hi, guys,
one thing about America is they will defend their assets.
Having American interest and investments in the mining industry in
Ukraine would give Ukraine some security, which what kicked off
their outdown. Yeah, good point.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, I mean, there is an argument that if America
has a lot of business interests in Ukraine, it's better
than Ukraine being a NATO member, because Ukraine being a
NATO member is absolutely off the tables as far as
Putin is concerned. This is a way where if Russia
invaded after a peace deal, which will never go back
to the nineteen ninety one borders, but so the Ukraine

(43:05):
will probably have to give up some terratory in that
would be horrible for them, but you know that's probably
going to be the way it has to go. But
if America's in there, then it's much harder for Russia
to mess with American interests hugely conflicts. Let's go to
Alex who has some real skin in the game. Your

(43:26):
family lives in Ukraine, No, I just have.

Speaker 17 (43:28):
Some family out there. They're living in Dunbas in Ukraine.
They're on the eastern side, as you probably know, close
to Rostov on the Don very close to there, but
they've been there virtually all their lives and a large
proportion of population in the eastern side a Russian anyway,
they're mixed, they're like the Maori and the park here,

(43:50):
you know, and there married and everything else. You did
a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
And what's the feeling on the ground from those family
members and don Bass Alex.

Speaker 17 (43:57):
Mate, we've got no contact. We've got no contact at all.
Like all I can say is the whole idea of
this conflict is that if NATO wants to get in,
that's what started in the first place. If NATO gets
into Ukraine, you've got the same situation you had in
the sixties when with a Cuba missile crisis, where someone said,

(44:20):
don't cross the line, don't come in here, don't put
your missilets here. And that's what they don't want in Ukraine.

Speaker 10 (44:26):
But it's very.

Speaker 17 (44:28):
Hard to stop because Europe wants to keep moving, and
of course they've got their freedom after the elections and
they started going westerly. More and more and more want
to join NATO, want to join the EU. And you're
not going to resolve it eagerly, and it's going to
divide the country. But the country has been divided for ages.

(44:49):
You've got two religions.

Speaker 9 (44:50):
You got.

Speaker 17 (44:52):
Catholics in the north and you've got Russian Orthodox in
the south. And that happened after the invasion BiPOL and
five six hundred years ago, right, So they divided the
country completely that way. And this is why Zelenski's been
trying to keep the Russian language out because during the
Soviet Block period everyone spoke Russian and there's no answer.

(45:16):
And I think the only one that could really sort
it out was probably Trump the way he offered it.
And Zelenski's made a You know he's an actor, don't you.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (45:26):
Originally, yeah, that was how he started off. They didn't
even know he was then get elected because he was
just an actor. He's done very well, but he's certainly
become famous and he travels all over the world quite well.
Thank you very much. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Do you think do you think it was a bit
of a Do you think it was a bit of
a surprise for Zelensky because generally in his travels and
his appearances in front of other leaders and in front
of parliaments, he's traveled as you say, everywhere he's been
greeted as a hero, and he's been celebrated and applauded,
and this is one of the rare occasions where he
has been challenged, which may have he may have gone

(46:06):
into the meeting and look, and I'm wildly speculating here
with sort of unrealistic expectations of how it was going
to go down, because he is in slightly hostile territory
when he's when he's dealing with the Trump administration.

Speaker 17 (46:21):
Yeah, but you've got to listen to Rubio's talk, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I listened to that, yeah, right.

Speaker 17 (46:26):
And he said he was told, this is what you're
here for, this is what you're doing. You requested it,
we wanted, so let's just make a deal. And it
turned into rubbish.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
But can you can you see from Zelenski's point of
view that he is probably just so absolutely filled with
hatred for Putin and everything that's gone down and everything
he's seen and all the apartment buildings he's seen destroyed,
and all the people and the terrible things that have happened,
that it would be very very hard and a stronger

(47:00):
person than than than nearly anyone on the planet to
keep you cool.

Speaker 17 (47:05):
Well, yeah, he changed quite a bit in the last
few years. I remember listening to his speeches when he
was elected, and he has changed dramatically and he has
had strengthened. But look at the way he's been getting
rid of his generals one after the other, same as
Nardie Trump does.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Going back to what supposedly he was asking for, and
we know there was an agreement on the table to
give America a slice of the mineral industry within Ukraine,
and that could have acted as a security measure of
Putin didn't keep his word for some sort of peace agreement.
But you can see where Zelensky may be coming from
by saying that he wants a security deal because he
doesn't trust Putin.

Speaker 17 (47:44):
Yeah, but he doesn't trust anyone, right. And the thing is,
if he wants a security that was probably the best
security who could get by having America involved in Ukraine itself,
because they would have people on the ground as well,
and they would make sure they were protecting their interests.
So it was probably the best deal he could have got.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, well, that's the thing, isn't it. And one of
these deals to bring up peace, it's always a horrible compromise.
And you have to almost make horrible compromises before the
other side will make the horrible compromise. And from Trump's perspective,
and we're giving all perspectives here, and we'd love to
hear from hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two

(48:24):
if you disagree. But from Trump's perspective, he is saying
to Zelenski, you can't keep insulting Putin and you can't
keep And that's what the Biden administration did, wasn't talking
to him, keep insulting him, keep insulting them, keeping somelfing,
and the Putin will never come to the table. So
if the result you want is peace, it's it's it's horrible.

(48:46):
It's never a great option. It's often a great option
because it stops the people killing, but it's never works
out perfectly for anyone, and often works out horribly, especially
if there's no real foreseeable exit strategy from the war.
I can't see it, can you No?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
And it's costing America billions and billions of do we
looked it up, approximately one hundred and eighty two billion
dollars since the war started. That's according to the UIs
Department of Defense. It's a lot of money. It could
be used for other things.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Right, and also costing a whole lot of lives. Yeah, yeah,
which is the real cost?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
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Speaker 2 (49:44):
We're talking about the thing everyone else is talking about.
If they're not talking about the warriors, We're talking about
a much bigger issue of what happened at the White
House with Celenski and Trump over the weekend. Jill, your thoughts.

Speaker 20 (50:04):
I'm just going to throw this out there. What would
happen if a New Zealander turned up to those talks
wearing a Mari cloak? Would it be acceptable? Because we
already do it? And Churchill wore a special uniform, and

(50:25):
when he wore a suit and he had to go
down to the bunkers, they could easy just rip that
suit off and put a military hairy dress on. It
got to the point he wore a military dress. But
what is pay for Zelinsky because Elon Musk turns up
jeans t shirt Oddie with a kid on his shoulders.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
But Elon Musk isn't trying to get anything out of Trump,
is he, whereas was trying to get something out of America.
I'll tell you what they're something a little different.

Speaker 20 (50:56):
But also Russia needs the through Ukraine minerals because that's
what they lay their weapons in. And Ukraine it's used
to also belong to Sweden and crime there was also
part of the Ottoman Empire. Well yeah, very long history.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Well yeah, I mean that the whole owl charge of
the Light Brigade, the Ottoman Empire and the British wind
to fight and Crimea and that was there was Florence.
That was Florence Nightdale. It was, It was fantastic.

Speaker 20 (51:27):
The one time Ukraine was very happy was under the
hun Empire. But that was going banks ages ago.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, I'll tell you what was very very cool was
in my opinion, Winston Churchill, what Jill brings up there?
So I guess nineteen forty one, just after Pearl Harvest,
six days later he jumped on. I believe it was
the Duke of York warship and just went straight over
to America, you know, trying some men America joining the war.
But I mean he just jump jumped on a warship

(51:55):
at that point, Churchill and went over to America when
there's U boats everywhere, the huge risk he went, and
he stayed at the White House for a very long time,
stayed for Christmas. Back then you had to stay for
quite a while when you went over there.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
But famously Franklin Roosevelt said to his wife Eleanor, he said,
I've got some people staying for Christmas. I'm not sure
how many, but just make sure there's a lot of
food available for the Christmas. Prime man very smart and
they I think they ended up spending about one hundred
and thirteen days together between ninety forty one and ninety
forty five in the end of the In the war,

(52:27):
roseveut In Churchill, they struck up a quite a friendship.
But yeah, I mean famously, Churchill I did wear a
military uniform to the White House and no one seemed
to have a problem.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, But I think the difference there is that Roosevelt
didn't feel any disrespect with that boiler suit or war
garb that he was wearing. Military garb. And that's a difference, right,
is that this scenario very different to Churchill meeting Roosevelt
after Pearl Harbor, very different, very different.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, so we're not talking about the rights and wrongs.
Who's evil, who's not evil, who's morally right? I guess
is the question. The thing is Len's going to the
White House to try and get something from the Trump administration,
who don't need to be involved anymore. In fact, a
lot of their supporters don't support the situation, so it's

(53:21):
a proxy conversation. But if you'd want to suit and
I know that he hasn't. For the last three years,
it's been his thing to say I'm at war, maybe
that would have made things go a little smoother, because
it's just a way to say thank you, and we're
here to deal. But maybe Zaninski wasn't there to deal
because maybe he's too hurt and he's too rightly angry
at what's happened that he can't really bring himself to

(53:41):
give Putin what Putin needs to accept a deal.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
And maybe he wanted to galvanize Europe to spend a
bit more on their defense. Maybe maybe oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
twenty three pass.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk zby.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Good after Noon, Welcome into the show. Twenty five past two.
Controvert victual topic, but we're loving it.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
It's going off. Yeah, yeah, So a lot of discussion
on both sides with our little proxy discussion on the
whole Ukraine War. Too much emphasis on Zelensky's clothes. What
about Muskka telling Trump to shut his mouth or was
that ai? That's a good question, but there a lot
of people are texting this. How come Elon musk and
wear a cap and not be formal in the office.

(54:32):
He can, Zelensky can wear what he wants as well.
We're just talking about the messaging of it. And Elon's
not going in there to get a deal for his country.
He's not negotiating anything with Trump. He's on Trump's side.
They are presenting together to the world as opposed to
coming together to make a deal that's beneficial for your country.

(54:56):
Zelensky was trying to do.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And if you want a juxtaposition of different styles, you
look at Starma versus Zelensky, very very different styles. And
you've got to say Starma got criticism for the praise
and how he treated Trump, but it got he got
some deals across the line, and I think that was
beneficial for the UK and America. He treated Trump with respect.

(55:20):
He is the president, whether you like it or not,
versus a Lenski's approach, which was more combative. And so
who was the winner out of those two different styles
of strategy for meeting Trump?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Aaron, you were today, I think you want to talk
about World wars.

Speaker 21 (55:38):
Yeah, well as anyone addressed the Budapest Agreement, where when
after the war, the Ukraine gave up all the knukes
that were on their territory and the US promised to
provide them protection with the UK and a couple of
the other allies, and Russia agreed never ever to invade again.

(56:02):
So Russia since then invaded the Georgia, the Chechen Republic twice,
Finland they invaded just during World War two. And during
World War two, twenty million, twenty million the Ukrainians died

(56:23):
because the Soviet Union took all the food to feed
their army.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah that was.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, but then remember the New Deal obviously were so
we're going back and forward in time. We were going
pre World War two, World War two and.

Speaker 21 (56:40):
World War two. Yeah, that was only ninety three.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, so that was after the breakup of the Soviet Union,
where Ukraine was in a weird situation where it became
an independent country after a referendument and election. It was
hugely popular, I think was ninety two percent of Ukrainians
involved to become independent voted to become independent. But they
were an interesting position where the head in yukes, but
Russia had control of the nukes, had the technology to

(57:04):
control the nukes, which was a bizarre situation to be in.

Speaker 21 (57:09):
But that was the point that they were going to
the promise not to invade them, and the USA provided
would provide protection. But not only that. The war's been
going on since twenty fourteen. I mean, the Russia invaded
the crime here, took over their land, which they rucified,

(57:30):
and this is what they've gotten for Ukraine again, I
mean they want the rucified, They want to stamp out
the Ukrainian ethnic group. So the call, I mean, they've
taken twenty thousand children out of there. They've also committed
war crimes where their army and azuel documentaries from the UN.

(57:54):
And listen when we talk about Trump, he's not the
good guy. He's moving away from the European Union. He's
talked about invading, nixing Canada, he's talked about any mixing Mexico, Panama, Greenland, so.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Eron, just a question for you, when if we keep
it back move back to the Ukraine, do you see
a path for victory for the Ukraine and what would
a Ukrainian victory look like?

Speaker 21 (58:26):
Well, Russia will never ever keep to its word. I
mean it's broken at so many times. The thing is.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
They know.

Speaker 10 (58:36):
The actual.

Speaker 21 (58:39):
A bit lost here, but when they say that the
lin is holding his hand out for money, they know
that if they sanctions put on Russia to weaken their
economy so that they can no longer fight. If there's
just a pause or there's no security guarantees, they'll just

(58:59):
arm themselves and want to take this. I mean there's
no secret that Russia's talked about they want the Balkans next.
They want to restore the basically the old Soviet Union.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Aaron. I just
can't see a deal where Ukraine gets the nineteen ninety
one borders back. I just, I just, I just want
someone to describe a pathway to victory for Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
And it's so complex, a missing You're right, I mean,
that is what negotiations are all about. And if you've
got two people at opposite sites of that argument to say, with.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
A lot of hate and a lot of death, yeah,
a lot of history.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, then it's it's a very very tough situation.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But should Zelens give Warner suits?

Speaker 4 (59:44):
The way?

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Was that a bad strategy?

Speaker 18 (59:46):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Thank you very much, Raylen and having a discussion. Let's
bring it back too. What's Zelensky war and that meeting?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
But Donald Trump, as I keep saying, it's a proxy discussion,
so we can get into the whole thing. But everyone's
gone for every angle on this meeting in the White
House between Zolensky and Trump and Jadie Vance and how
it blew up. But you know, if you're going to
negotiate with Trump and you want to get something from him,
maybe you have to wear what he would normally expect

(01:01:34):
you to wear as a mark of respect. It's like
if I'm at a job interview, I'll wear something that's
a bit nicer than I or a weird of the
pub because I want something. And I understand that that's
been Zelensky's outfit for the whole time, and it signals
a lot about the bravery of the Ukrainian fighters and
his bravery and staying in the country. I understand it
signifies a lot. But that's why it's such a great

(01:01:56):
proxy topic, isn't it, Because it's all about negotiation. Is
it about where they were or where they need to
go to finish this war? And has Zelenski got the
you know, can his stomach ending the war because he'd
have to give a lot to the Russians because they're
just in the more powerful position.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Absolutely. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
numbered call.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Sarah, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts?

Speaker 22 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I just wonder do you think King Charles had
a problem with what he was wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
King Charles, I don't think so. But then again, Zelenski
wasn't asking anything off. He wasn't asking for anything off
King Charles was he It's very.

Speaker 22 (01:02:35):
Respect wearing a suit to respect. He's wearing what he wears.
I think that he said more how he turned up
in a suit for Trump and then his normal attire
for the King. I think that could have been even worse.
Or how do he turned up Trump wearing his top? Absolutely,
but he's wearing what he's wearing, and that's him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I think I think, Sarah, that it would have
been a big statement if you'd put the suit on,
because then he was whatever way, it's a statement, and
I guarantee they discussed it. I guarantee they discussed what
he was going to wear the Ukrainians.

Speaker 22 (01:03:10):
I think he would have looked like he was groveling
to a bully, and I think that'd have been a
worth message. I think he sticks with it with.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
What he does.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Do you think do you think though, that he might
need to be not groveling but needing to He's trying
to negotiate diplomatic support, weapons and money from the United
States and has already received a lot of money. So
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, But perhaps wearing a
suit would be a way to turn up and say, look,

(01:03:41):
thank you so much, and what can we do? To
continue and can we get the steel done?

Speaker 22 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I mean it's he thanks other people for contributing.
He doesn't wear a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Suit, then, no, he's and he's had a great reception
to his outfit in the past, he's had standing ovations.

Speaker 22 (01:04:02):
Yeah, exactly. And if it's about negotiations, you negotiate with
your worst, you negotiate with worse clothing. I understand how suits,
but he's just that's what he wears.

Speaker 23 (01:04:13):
That's just him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
And that this might sound like a really trivial example, Sarah,
because it is. But it was like when I was
meeting my mother in law for the first time and
my partner. She says to me, and I was currently
in a stupid radio thing where I wasn't cutting my
hair for a year, and she said, when you meet mum,
can you please brush your hair just so? Can you

(01:04:35):
please look tidy to meet mum. She's very particular about
these kind of things. And I wanted to come across
in a certain way, so I dressed to impress absolutely
first impression.

Speaker 22 (01:04:49):
And we've already met before two years and what it
was and that's not the first impression.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, like this yeah, I
mean one hundred percent right there, Sarah, there will be
no surprise what Zelenski was going to wear. But maybe
I guess what we're saying is, maybe it could have
been a real statement he's turned up in the suit
and tie. It would have actually, now I say it
would have been kind of ridiculous. He turns up in
the seven tie, would have made I am ready to

(01:05:17):
make this deal. That's what it would say, I'm here
to sign this deal. But maybe he wasn't. Maybe he
wasn't and he didn't want to give that signal, Sarah.

Speaker 22 (01:05:26):
Yeah, but then you know, turning up to meet the
King turner for official photograph, what does he do? And
he just sticks what he sticks to her?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah, but what if Sarah, he turned up worth a
nice present for Donald Trump and JD. Vance. And I
don't say that, you know, in a joking way. I'm
being dead serious. And I know I brought it up
quite a bit. But Sir Keir Starmer and his interaction
with Donald Trump and had that letter from the King,
and clearly that was a strategy he had to employ
a lot of praise because that is what Donald Trump

(01:05:55):
clearly responds to. And so Zelenski had that strategy in
mind to get America on side. Maybe it didn't need
to be a suit, but if he came armed with
a nice gift, surely that may have done a bit
more to get them on side. And maybe it didn't
implode some flowers.

Speaker 22 (01:06:14):
Maybe he had a problem come up with a comment that, oh,
my money paid for that. Anyway, why are you wasting
my money? Enough prevalent and he shouldn't be trying to bribe.
I mean, surely he managed to say, come.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
On, yeah, thank you so much for your call, sir.

Speaker 22 (01:06:32):
I understand that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Thank you, thanks so much. Yeah, great, cal Yeah, that's
a fair points that it may have blown up in
his face.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Either way, it could have gone he turned up in
a really really nice suit, nes Lensky said, maybe after
the war, maybe'll wear a suit. Maybe it'll be nice
that one like yours. Maybe it'd be nicer than yours.
If he turned up in a fifteen thousand dollars designer suit,
the American taxpayer might have been going, do we freaking
pay for that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Respectful? We getting that money from one hundred eighty ten
eighty Oh can.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
We stop this? Text? Elon Musk has never worn a
suit and even wears a cap. No outcrozier. Oh my god,
on that text. Will been receiving thousands of these texts.
Elon Musk isn't asking for diplomatic support or weapons or
money for a for a conflict in his own country.
With very serious ramifications. He's on the same side as

(01:07:23):
Trump standing there presenting together. It's very it's not a
comparable situation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Yeah, apples and oranges, thank you very much, o it.
One hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It is nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
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Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Sa'd be good afternoon, having a good discussion. He did discussion,
but passionate discussion about Zelensky and Trump and JD. Vance's
meeting in the White House that kind of imploded a
little bit. But bringing it back too, whether or not
he should have worn a soup. Plenty of texts coming
through on nine to ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Come on, guys, Trump had no intentions of negotiating with
the minute. I'll start that again. Come on, guys, Come on, guys.
Trump had no intentions of negotiating with the Vilensky. Trump
is a bully. It's his way, all the highway. As
the reporter asking Zelensky about not having a suit as
for him, he's Marjorie Taylor Green's boyfriend looking for brownie

(01:08:27):
points for his girlfriend. Zelensky walked away when he saw
he was going to get nothing for his country and
have to give all his minerals to the demented Trump.
That's from Anna. Thank you for your text. Hi, guys.
Difference with Winston's Churchill as he was a lieutenant colonel
in the army, Zelensky has no rank.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yep, there you go, fair enough to nine nine two.
There's so many techs that have come through. But we'll
go to the phones. Trevor, how are you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Hey, guys?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Tell you goods? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 13 (01:08:59):
Well, look, first of all, missus Zlenski, when he I
think he will be out of his position of running
his country, I think that's the only way a p
still can be done. And I just like to know
if he joins the front line to fight the war,
all you do a bit of a sad Imazane and
heide in a hole, tell everybody else to go out
and die. You know what I find amazing about this

(01:09:20):
Trump first time who's in power, and this time all
we hear is a warmonger. You know when you look
at Trump, Trump is always calling for peace he mentioned
so many times, and innocent people dying. You know, there was
no new walls under him, which was almost amazing. He
got rid of Isis who were creating havoc from their caves.

(01:09:42):
Pakistan Afghanistan with the Mother of All bombs Bagon, big
peace in the world. And look, I just look. People
don't like this, but let me tell you the countries
that don't like our Western world, our way of life,
like Youran's, you're China, you're Russia, the little rocket man.
We better start grobbling to America because even Europe and

(01:10:04):
Britain say, now without America, they can't, they can't in
that war.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Now, Trevor, I'll say, for example, let's say let's bring
it to New Zealand. Right, So you're in New Zealand.
Your country gets invaded, and maybe there's some history that's
leading up to that. Whatever. Your country gets invaded, and
then there's a huge there's three years of fighting, a
lot of destruction, a lot of death, a lot of
horrible stuff has happened to your people and you've seen it. Now,

(01:10:34):
do you reckon you would be able to be the
bigger man in the negotiation? Do you reckon you would
be able to give up what you need to give
up to the aggressor to get a peace deal, or
do you think you would just be so full of
heat hate like I probably would be, that I would
not be able to deal with anything in a rational way.

Speaker 13 (01:10:52):
Well, I think that last time you made it, it
had to be somebody rational, because you know, Ukraine can't win,
and you know at the moment the world is saying
that people have to pay their way in the world
now America. Trump will tell you America has lost so
much of its wealth mainly to another country who are
just sitting on the sidelines, while the Western world is

(01:11:14):
getting weaker and weaker and weaker by giving money away
and fighting wars and a Chinese communist pardy, not Chinese people.
Chinese community are cruising now down our part of the world,
just taking over another Pacific island. And you know, stupid
New Zealanders say Oh, why would they want New Zealanders
they're so small? Well, why do they want to cook islands?

(01:11:35):
That was very small? And I just think people have
to be realistic. The world is a very dangerous point
and whether we like it or not, whether we like
it or not, without America, our way of life, our
style of life, which I think people most people know
with the catyships, and that is without doubt for ninety
percent of the population to live there is the best

(01:11:55):
way of living. And if we're not careful, it's gone.
We have to bow to America.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Yeah, okay, well, thank you for your call, Trivor appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
The interesting point is we do desperately need them here
a on side with us. And clearly, look, it was
one of the it was one of the platforms that
Trump campaigned on, right that America first and the kind
of sick of being the guardian angels of the world,
and it's costing them a lot of money and they've
got issues at home and they need to focus on
American people first. That is a big chunk of why

(01:12:24):
he got elected, right. Yeah, So you can't argue with that, Well,
you can't argue with that if you're not in America.
But you've got to treat carefully because that is what
the American people ask full by and large, they elected
Donald Trump and he is delivering on that. How the
West and US respond to that, I mean, that's the
big question. And bring it back to Zelenski.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I don't know if he responded, right, yeah, Well, and
you know, and further to what we were just talking about,
what was the last called his name? Sorry I forgot Trevor.
Sorry what Trevor was saying. New Zealand and Australia in
this really difficult position right now where there's America and
China and we're trying to thread the needle between those
two huge trading partner. Well, China's our number one and

(01:13:04):
now the USA as our number two trading partner in Australia.
So we're trying to go between these two people one
and have a strategic alliance with America and as allies
you know, unformally in some ways, and whilst trying to
not annoy Eachina. It's a very very difficult situation for
New Zealand and Australia right now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the
number to call it is ten to three.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Josh, you'r thought about the whole Ukraine situation blow up
in the White House. How are you? Josh?

Speaker 14 (01:13:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:13:53):
Good good, Hey, good yarns.

Speaker 14 (01:13:54):
Guy's been lasting my butt off. It's been great.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
Hey.

Speaker 23 (01:13:58):
Look, Zelenski kind of turned up on a rubber sack.
He's still getting bent over a barrel.

Speaker 12 (01:14:05):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:14:06):
I'm just like, I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:14:07):
He could have been dressed in the best Wars ever
and I don't think that would have changed the conversation unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
But it might, you know, like a you know, a
negotiation as a series of comments and a series of signals. Right,
there's not just one thing. So I guess we're just
asking the question. And it was though, you know, what.

Speaker 14 (01:14:28):
Would I think I've come to terms with your question there, Maddie.
And that question is should you dress for the occasion?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Which when you put it, when you put it like that, Josh,
it does sound like a slightly shallow question around a
hugely important subject.

Speaker 24 (01:14:43):
Yeah, yeah, but again no, you can ask that question,
but yeah again Wait guys getting bent over a barrel
though he could be wearing whatever, it's like, who jeez,
But hey, do you think it's interesting how America have
come to the table with a deal for getting access
to resources? Because I'm just curious how how.

Speaker 23 (01:15:05):
Would that work?

Speaker 14 (01:15:05):
Would that be a three way split?

Speaker 23 (01:15:07):
Would that mean America would somehow.

Speaker 14 (01:15:11):
Do a deal with Russia to go onto a cease.

Speaker 23 (01:15:14):
Fire and then America.

Speaker 14 (01:15:17):
Would divvy back some of that resources to Russia to
stop Russia from invading in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Well, I think that that any deal, and like no
details of the deal on the table. The thing is now,
are you open to a deal? Is the question? And
can you bring peut into the table? But I think,
I think, I think the idea is that if Russia,
if America had heavy interests at financial interests in Ukraine,
then that would be a security guarantee in itself because

(01:15:45):
attacking those interests would be attacking America. So in a way,
it's like a kind of roundaback about way to receive
the same outcome as if Ukraine.

Speaker 14 (01:15:56):
Are you going yeah, yeah, well yeah, because I'm just
thinking in future terms of war, if this became normal practice.

Speaker 23 (01:16:04):
You know, I don't know if it's a good thing.
Like you know, an example might be, hello, God forbid
somebody and paid us, so, well, we'll only help you if.

Speaker 24 (01:16:12):
You do a deal.

Speaker 14 (01:16:14):
Yeah, oh great, So what we sign over will our
mineral water because you want it and we need protection.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
I do love our mineral water.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
We want to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Thank you for your cool Josh. I mean, yeah, any
any deals often involve advantages to both sides. Yeah, I
mean that's the kind of the way way it works.
But yeah, it's been a fantastic discussion. Thank you so
much for your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and nine nine nine two. I don't know if we've
solved it. No, I don't know if we could print

(01:16:45):
out the transcript of these last two hours and send
it to Zelenski and Trump and JD. Vance and Putin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
I do know that if you're meeting your brush.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
And they read it through, whether they'd find enough gems
of wisdom to solve the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
But maybe, yeah, Well, the one thing I have learned
is always carry out a soup jacket with me just
in case I've got a zed me meeting that I
need to attend with you, mate, because we've at the part.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, all right, fantastic discussion. Thoroughly enjoyed that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Coming up after three o'clock because it's been a grunty
couple of hours. Let's have a chat about the warriors
and Las Vegas. Let's cheer everyone up with let's see something.

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Is coming up by wait, undred eighty ten eighty is
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New Sport and weather on its way. Great to have
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Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
News Talks Ed be welcome back into the show. Seven
past three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yes, so we'll put that discussion to bed about the
Ukraine and we'll just get extra security on the door
to take us from some of those texts and we'll
get on with the hour.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Yes, we wore man. Oh man, we had a heck
of a lot of tics and phone calls, so thank
you for all of that. Now, just a quick update
on the Oscars, which is underway as we speak. So
they're up to the supporting roles winner in the supporting roles.
So the actor in a supporting role was won by
Karen Colkin for a Real Pain.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I haven't seen that, like I haven't seen most of
these movies in the Oscars this time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
And the actress in a supporting role Zoe Saldana for
Amelia Pererez. I think that was she was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
The only good part of that movie. She's a very
good actress. She was the only good part of that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Can I mention the animated feature film which one yes, Flow.
I don't know if you've seen a trailer for Flow.
Apparently not a word spoken, but it looks gorgeous about
a cat that has to jump on a boat and
travel on a journey to America. I mean it looks.
It looks incredible, but not much was known about that,
so that is a big win.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Personally, I'm gudded that Wallace and Grommet Vengeance most fouled
and when I enjoyed that movie, but I'm a big
fan of the whole Ardmond thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yeah. Absolutely, Now, before we move on, because the speeches
will be coming thick and fast at the Oscars.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah, so we want to reiterate we've already played this today.
But when before you watch the Oscars and before you
have to see multiple speeches from actors and their political opinions,
then I think it's important once again cleans the pellet
with us from Rookie Jervas from the Golden Globes.

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
If you do win an award tonight, don't use it
as a platform to make a political speech. Right, You're
in no position to lecture the public about anything. You
know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent
less time in school than Greta Thumburg. So if you win, right,
come up, accept your little award, Thank your agent and
your God.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
I Gough Okay, yeah, nicely said.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
So it's a brave actor that comes up and pushes
their half thought out opinions. Now after Rigg said that,
because everyone just counters all that, just thank your God
and your agent and any reports on Brian's on Big
Conan and Brian fan loved his show and actually met him.

(01:21:15):
A christ You ye.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
But when he was over, yeah, did you you're nice man?

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Lovely man?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Yeah, he seems it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Had a good chat about the weather. Very tall, yes,
very tall is here was very flopped when I met him.
As opposed to the erect style he will be wearing
at the Octors Oscars.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Beautiful here, do that many great here. No controversy yet
and we we love a little bit of controversy at
the Oscars, right or otherwise it's just a whole bunch
of people giving punishing speeches. So you know, I'll slap
the two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Yeah, is brilliant, but he's a sort of a type
of humor that he likes the absurd, and sometimes it
lands and it's just brilliant, but sometimes it dies terribly
and in my opinion, is still brilliant, but sometimes it
doesn't play out perfectly in front of a crowd. But
we'll see how he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Yep. And we'll keep bringing you up to date with
those Oscar wins as they come in through the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Speaking of wins, the warriors didn't win, as everyone knows
what a segua over Las Vegas, Oh my god, And
a lot of my friends that are over there are
feeling like losers right now after their behavior over the
last three days, seeing some terrible messages coming through a
lost hope after celebrating and partying too much. But we

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want to talk about magical thinking when it comes to
support and things that you do to try and help
your team win. Like, for example, I, for the longest
time have drunk a glass of red wine before the
Warriors play with some friends. This tradition blew up last
year and became a bit of thing, made it into
Australia media called the Penowat love it, and we didn't

(01:22:45):
before the game a because I've basically been nearly getting
cowered punched every time I go out to Mount Smart
to watch the Warriors play. Because people think it's a
curse because we've been doing it for years. But then
suddenly it became a big media thing and then the
Warriors season fell off a cliff just after that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
So that's what it was. Was it that was want.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
People blame that they say it's the curse. So we decided,
me and my good mate Met good we decided not
to drink a red wine before the Warriors. We're watching
it at the Shapiro's Bar, and what happened. So now
is it our fault?

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Well, you've got to find the right drink, don't you.
It's not red wine, it's not beer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
But but I love that we feel like we can
influence it from the other side of the world. Were
sitting at a bar, and we feel like our and
we know if it's put down to a you know,
a full peer reviewed paper, it's not what I drink
and do before a game has nothing to do with it.
But I've got a friend called g Lane who went
over to the Warriors, and whenever he travels overseas to
see a team play that he supports, they lose it

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without fail. And he was over at the Warriors. We
call him the grim Lane because it's he curses game.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
You've got to tie him down there and he can't
go anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
And as much as I know it's not true, I
still blame him for that loss.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yeah, absolutely one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
So you know, I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two, do you have any magic thinking around
teams that you support, at, rituals that you have before games,
and curses that you've spotted? The curse, the Great Goat
curse for the Cubs is a fantastic one. And the
apartment curse as well. Yes, yeah, that came in there.

(01:24:26):
And also you're just your general thoughts on the Warriors
in the season as well. I'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Yeah, magical thinking and sporting rituals. Oh eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty or nine two nine two is the
text number. It is twelve past three back in the mint,
good afternoon. It is a quarter past three, and we're
talking about sporting rituals ahead of watching your team play.
It is on the back of Warriors losing and you
had a bit of a ritual that you changed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah, that's right. I didn't have my red wine before
the game, and I think I'm pastly responsible for the
Warriors losing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
I'm a big fan of magical thinking. So curses. The
most famous curse, of course, was the Curse of the
Billy Goat, which was a sports curse that was placed
on the Chicago Club Cubs in nineteen forty five by
Billy Goat tavern owner William SNAs. The curse lasted seventy
one years, from ninety sixty five to twenty and sixteen.

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He was asked to leave with his goat that he
bought into regular field, and he cursed the ground, and
as a result, they didn't win the World Series for
seventy one years as a direct scientific result of that
curse being laid down. And they tried all kinds of things.
They tried, you know, celebrating goats, they tried sacrificing goats,

(01:25:43):
they tried everything to break the course curse.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
So I'm still going the curse.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
No, the curse is over. The curse was broken in
twenty sixteen when they won the World Series, but it
took them one hundred and eight years to win the
World Series. The Cubs. Twenty sixteen, there was a famous
night because the All Blacks were playing in Chicago as
well at Soldier Field, and they lost to the Irish
for the first time, and so that seemed to be

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some kind of weird curse vortex happening around Chicago. Then
that night where Ireland broke their winning, lifetime winning lack
of winning against the All Blacks and the Cubs finally
won the World Series.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Just in terms of sports that you play yourself, do
you have little sporting rituals that you do before you
undertake that sport, Because I do. For example, snowboarding, I
will click my bindings seven times, no more, no less.
Weird And I don't know why I do it, that
is just it. If I don't do it seven times,
I know or I think I'm going to have a
bad fall. And what happens if I don't do it?

(01:26:44):
I have a bad fall.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, but that's because you've talked yourself into the bad fall.
I mean that's ridiculous. Clicking your what you're binding seven times?
Do you have to do that when you get off
the chairlift?

Speaker 8 (01:26:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Yeah, I when I'm binding up seven times clicks. So
that's just me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
So do you sit down in your on your butt
to nicked up your your snowboard? Yeah, and you can't
do it or you're moving, you can't do.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
No, because then I'll miss the seven times and I'll
fall over and have a big wow. And nobody knew
that because I always did it. I always thought people
are going to think you're a weirdo if you tell people.
But that is one of my sporting rituals. The other one, yeah, golf,
And I'm a terrible golfer, but I'll always take three
practice swings, no more, no less before each shot yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
For drive yep. If you've just got the nine iron
out yep, parta yep, always three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
And nobody's ever called me out on it yet. But
that's just my little ritual. I mean, it never works.
I'm a terrible golfer and i always slice it to
the right, so I've got to figure that out. But
that's just my thing. I've got to go three times
or else I'll just be in a bad headspace.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Right, So I would say that me drinking of red
wine whenever the Warriors play makes sense, and that you
can back that up because that sends out magical positive
vibes out there that will affect gameplay.

Speaker 17 (01:28:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
And it'll it'll enforced knock on, It'll cause the opposition
to knock the ball on multiple times. But clicking yet,
clicking is clicking its noboard. That's crazy. Why would you
wish to talk about the Warriors? Who cares conversations should
be left for the weekend when the game was played?
Do you discuss other sports? The answer is no? So

(01:28:27):
why now for the underperforming team? Well, we do talk
about other sports all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
In fact, we were just talking about Super Rugby over
the weekend and fantastic performance by the Highland is that
was an incredible game against Mona PACIFICA. Yep, I think
Super Rugby is on fire at the moment. I did
find the officiating by Aaron Gardner a little bit frustrating
in the Blues Hurricanes game, but ultimately the result came
out the way I wanted it to, and I thought

(01:28:52):
it was a fantastic weekend of Super Rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
The other thing that you mentioned a little bit earlier
that I thought was interesting and you caught it Happiness Insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Yeah, well this is something else they've done. Oh, here
we go. I've bet five dollars on the Warriors with
three mates for every game, give each of them five dollars.
Saves time later. Well, this is kind of what I YEA. Look,
I was pretty excited about this game. It was a
lot of build up, you know, a lot of talk
in my friend group, a lot of talk and various

(01:29:21):
WhatsApp groups about WhatsApp threads about this game, and so
we're pretty pretty ged up. And I just had this
sneaking feeling that I was going to feel miserable if
they lost. And look, there's so many games in the
scene they got twenty seven games. You know, that's just
the first game. You can lose a game to the
Raiders and a weird novelty game and Las Vegas. You
can lose that and come back. It's a long season,
rhaps absolutely. But I was just thinking about it and

(01:29:43):
I thought, you know what, I might drop a cheeky
one hundred dollars happiness insurance on on the Raiders. I
love it, I mean because then at the end of it,
at least my all my beers in and my dinner
at the pub, and everything was paid for. When I
was leaving. Unhappily, it was all covered by.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
My happiness insurance. Because when you said that, I thought,
how unpatriotic. And then I thought about and said, that's
actually in your strategy. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Oh you go, Matt Warriors lost as you didn't take
your top off, guessing you didn't win lotto either, as
did not take your top off buying local. Well, this
Texas is idiots, Oh okay, and thank you. Look, I'm
not sure exactly why, but I take that on board.
I think I think there's some truth in that text.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
On nineteen nineteen there's some credibility to that. Oh e
one hundred eighty ten eighty. Want to hear about your
sporting rituals but also happiness insurance. Is that a good
strategy or do you feel just a little bit eight
unpatriotic when you bet against your beloved team? But saying that,
I mean your head, you had dinner paid for, So
I love to hear from you on that. Nine two
niney two is the text number.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
News Talks ZB. We're talking about sporting rituals on the
back of unfortunately the Warriors DEFEATO and a Las of Vegas.
But Matt, you had quite the sporting ritual that you
decided to change on the weekend. But a few ticks
coming through on nine to nine to two.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Boys, that was really disappointing. That looked lost in it.
They looked lost in attack. Not sure to Murray Martin
was left out of the team. Yeah, I mean that
was you know, just to go onto sports and analysis
here a look like we were slow, we weren't having
any options on attack and we were terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Yeah, it was all bad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
It was all bad. But it's interesting because a lot
of people are saying to me, all of your friends
over there, they would have ruined their trip, and they
felt sorry for the nearly ten thousand Warriors fans that
flew over there. Still in Vegas, you could still have
a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (01:31:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
I've been getting a lot of stick about my golf
swingers as well, So I mentioned that before. Before I
hit the ball each time in golf, I do a
practice swing three times. That's kind of just my little
sporting ritual. And Mike wants to have a crack at
my golf swing. Get a Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Yeah, Hi, Tyler. Yeah, I'll play golf for quite a
long time, and I've developed a technique where I can
both slice and draw the ball on command right and once.
Once you know exactly what you're doing, it's it's very
easy to correct a slice. So a slice is when
you swing and your so your backswing and then your

(01:32:33):
downswing comes from outside the ball or pass the ball
comes past, hits the ball and then swings inward. So
that will put a I don't know, if you're right hand,
it will put.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
A clockwise spin on the ball right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
And then it will slice, and so then the opposite happens.
So the way to correct a slice is with your backswing,
and you will definitely need to go to the range
and practice this, you know, for a few weeks. But
to compensate for that, what you do when your backswing
and then you downswing is you bring the club face

(01:33:08):
in from the ball, not out over the ball, but
in from the ball and connect with the ball. And
it's like a roundhouse and bring and it'll put this
put the ball on the opposite spin and it'll go
for a draw. So once you master exactly what you're doing,
then you can compensate and adjust to Yeah, and eventually

(01:33:31):
you're able to pull these shots and command. If you've
got a dogly right or a dogly left, you can
can do both. And apparently I read somewhere that Tiger
Woods when he was at university or a college or
whatever in the States, he was standing fifty meters in
front of his dormitory and he was hit a slammer

(01:33:53):
and that it was such a slice that it would
just go to the right or whatever way past and
not even hit the building. So yeah, so yeah, no,
I feel for you. When you got a slight space,
you can definitely correct that easy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
So my son's got such a bad slice. When we're
at the driving range, he keeps getting warnings because it's
flying over into the pitching put. He has it's so far,
but was such a bad slice. But then you say
to him, you know, do you want to work on that?
And he goes, no, I just want to smoke it. Yeah,
but you know, I mean, there is the old occasion
when your slice works in it and it sails around
it dogg is around the course.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I try to compensate if there's houses to the right
of me where I've got to tee off, and I know,
I just know, because there's houses there, I'm going to
slice it horribly and take out somebody's window. And then
I try and compensate and smack it to the left,
and of course when I do that, it goes straight
and to the next hole. So I don't know what
I'm doing wrong, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
It's just all about your backswing and then your downswing,
and whether you come down from over the ball to
slice it. He come from back and under the ball
to hocket.

Speaker 26 (01:34:57):
It to the left.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Okay, all right, thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:34:59):
So much for Yeah, and I definitely recommend all you
need to go to a driving range like in Auckland.
Take a poona asks hey, you know whatever, it is
seventy bucks for a lesson, a couple of lessons and
then your way and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Well, what you want don't want to do is look
at any golf advice on Instagram because then your entire
feed as people trying to sell your golf courses. Hey,
thank you so much for your cool Mike, appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Chere's Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Hey, someone here said you guys. It was a great text.
Actually just got there's so many texts coming through one second.
It was about do you talk about other sports? Yes,
we talk about both.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Types of rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
So while we're talking about sports, I also watched this
isn't rugby, bloody football. I watched the Auckland FC versus
Adelaide United and that was a fantastic game. It was
one of the craziest games you've ever seen. It ended
up being a four all drawer, but that was so exciting,
up and down, back and forth. The crowd was incredible
that that was scintillating stuff. So now we've talked about

(01:36:02):
league union.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
And footy, trying to mention the cricket as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yeah, well the creed was very differ pointing with the
flack keeps getting absolutely smashed. But I will say that's
probably fine. You don't want to win that meaningless game.
Rather win the games that count. Don't use up your
luck on the games that don't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
A few more ticks here, yeah, geta guys. The baseball
superstitions never talk to a picture when he's pitching on
a no hitter. Also, never walk on the chalk the
foul line as a picture enters or leaves the field.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
And this one here, well you can blame me for
the All Blacks World Cup loss to South Africa. Always
have a beer or two for the final when we
were in it. Had to drive home to Hamilton from
Marsterdon that morning, so breakfast bears wing to go. I'm
really sorry. That is on you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
That is on you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Yeah? Well, I mean I had plenty of bears and
it didn't seem to help. But that is that is
one hundred percent on you. Hi, Matt and Tyler. I
play top level softball and always have the same ritual
pre game, which begins three hours before the game. Two
killing me to walk, then stretching cheap some pro rotein
shake two hours before the game. Always shower and shave

(01:37:11):
after the shake. Always have half a can of a
small red bull thirty minutes before the game. Always write
my parents' initials in the batting box at my first
turn at bat regards Nath. Wow, so that's a lot.
That's that's five things he has to go to. But
they're kind of practical things. I mean, me drinking a
red wine to help the Warriors run isn't as practical

(01:37:33):
as someone that's actually playing the game. I wouldn't say
this is magical thinking a two klime, a walk, with
a stretch, protein shake. These are all sensible things.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
It's very physical. I meanstitions.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
You know, putting your parents initials in the batting box,
you know that's maybe just putting some good will into
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call sporting superstitions. And if you want to
have a chat about the Warriors, you're more than welcome.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is
three point thirty.

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Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean A quick couple of
texts coming through on sporting rituals.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Yeah, warriors will fail to make the top eight need
a lot of happiness insurance and maybe life insurance to
support them. People are jumping ship completely after one game.
Happiness insurance and being when you bet on the opposition,
So when you're down about your team losing, you then
at least have your beers and your lunch if you're

(01:39:49):
at a bar watching paid for.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
It's a great strategy. Would you ever bet?

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
But it feels evil when you're doing it. It feels like
you're putting evil out in the wall. But as a
bunch of people are texting through, you know, bet with
your brain not your heart.

Speaker 11 (01:40:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Would you ever bet against the All Blacks in a
World Cup final because that's a lot of debris if
they lose. No, that's that's a step.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I used to play cricket to a national age group level.
My routines got to a point of high level o
c D. I broke a bail once taking five wickets.
They needed to have that on my person onwards otherwise
wouldn't perform the best place to keep it was the
left side of my undies on my hip, which was wonderful.
As you can imagine. It used to fall out on occasions,

(01:40:34):
only to be replaced. I also had a lucky pair
of tights for rugby which protected my thighs. Yeah. Sorry,
this one's gone down as well. Here we go on
trying to get that back. Ah, God damn it. Yeah, anyway,
I remember talking to Brenda McCullum after that, you know,
three three one, three or three games when he got

(01:40:56):
scored three hundred games INDI ye at the basement reserve,
and he didn't change his undies between you know, special
cricket undis to hold the box. But he didn't change
them across the time he was batting because he thought
it was bad luck, I mean, terrible risk of chafing
and wouldn't have smelled. I got them to a legendary
three hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
I wonder where those undies are now. Plenty of ticks
coming through on golf as well. Yeah, get a guys,
that was good golf advice from Mike. I practiced that
for weeks and weeks only missed the ball by three inches.
Now golf is the most frustrating sport around. I do
like you know, part of me loves it, part of
me absolutely hates it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
The thing about golf is that if you know the
angle you hit the ball, because it goes so far,
has so many repercussions, right, So if you if you
miss it by a millimeter, that millimeter on the angle
just exponentially increases how far you're away. It's the most
difficult sport in the world. You're swinging this metal club
at this ball, this tiny ball. Yeah no, it's an

(01:41:52):
incredibly hard and frustrating but fantastic game.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
And if you havn't a bad golf day, you can't
do anything about it. You just have to frustratingly keep
going through. It's not like you can bugger off to
the bar and say I'll wait for you here. You've
got to carry on, get through your nine holes. Ear
the eighteen holes can be incredibly horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Now, Jan here says, maybe after our to our discussion
about Zelenskys suit wearing or a lack of it into
the oval office, Jane says, maybe you should wear a
suit for the next game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Very good, very good, right, thank you very much for
all the texts on the sports superstitions. But let's change
it up and have a chat about the Oscars. Underway
at the moment, the ninety seventh Academy Awards taking place
at the Dolbie Theater in Los Angeles. It is hosted
by as you said, Matt Conan O'Brien, and the nominees,
of course, were announced in January after being delayed twice

(01:42:40):
due to the Californian wildfires. Now the Hollywood stars are
lining up as the ceremony is under way, and there's
a few of the minor awards that have been announced
and will still yet to get to the big prizes
big Director, Actor and a leading role actress in a
leading role. But the question we do want to put

(01:43:01):
to you is do you really care about the Oscars
these days? There's no doubt about it. When it comes
to a ward season, Oscars is the top of the pops,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Yeah, I mean, but awards in general have really lost
their luster, haven't they? For whatever reasons. Part of it
is because you know, the Oscars always has a problem
in that it awards. There's always this dynamic between big
movies that the people like and the movies that people
in the industry and the Academy Award because you know,
the OSCARS has voted for by people in the industry,

(01:43:33):
so they tend to go for less popcorn movies and
more arty movies. And in recent years the Oscars have
become really really political, and you know, their ratings were
tanking until Will Smith slapped Cross Rock in the face
and then there was a bit of interest after that.
But looking at the Oscars this, yeah, I mean people
care when movies like Forrest Gump are in there, huge movies,

(01:43:56):
or The Lord of the Rings, when Return of the
King was winning, or you know when the really really
big movies are doing well Black Panther. But this year
there are a bunch of sort of also ran movies
that no one really cares about. And do we really
believe that the Oscars finds the best actor, the best actress,

(01:44:18):
the best movie, the best director. I mean, it's been
proven to be incredibly political with you know, back in
the day with Shakespeare and Love. You can watch this
fantastic documentary on how the Weinstein's absolutely campaigned in a
sort of pretty dodgy way to make that win. So
if it's an award ceremony that's incredibly long, it's incredibly

(01:44:40):
smug with a bunch of horrible actors. I mean, do
you remember when Allen was hosting and they everyone got
in Bradley Cooper and everyone got in for that incredibly
smug selfie. It's not saying we're going to do the
biggest selfie in the world. At that point, I looked
at all those actors and I go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
I hate you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
You are the most smug, revolting, out of touch, self
congratulatory group of people you could possibly imagine to see
anywhere in one place. And then on top of that,
they get on stage and preach to the great unwashed
on how they should see the world.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Yeah, I mean those occasions where Ricky Gervais hosted certainly
added a lot to those particular ceremonies. But love to
hear from you. Do you care one iota about oscars
underway at the moment or do you think it is
just a bit of a bunch of backslapping by very
wealthy people.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Is there an award ceremony that's that's currently active in
the world that you think has credibility. I'm going to
put one for it. I think the BaCl Supreme Pire
Award is a fantastic award and unscrupulous and an above reproach,
complete blind tasting and Patrick Lamb wins because his is
the best nearly every year now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Bacall's over Oscars any day of the week. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine
two ninety two is the text number. It's nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty ten eighty
Matt and Taylor. Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety, every box,
a seedless experience, AWEDS News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
The'd be good Afternoon sixteen to four. Award ceremonies do
you care. It's on the back of the Oscars underway
currently as we speak, but arguably award ceremonies in terms
of viewership have absolutely plummeted. Boring.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
It's a pretty hard soal a three hour ceremony. We
you a bunch of people congratulate themselves, center around, clap
at each other, and long acceptance speeches and as we
played before the Ricky Gervais, you know, thank your your
agent and your God and you know, get out of there.
It's kind of I think that's a feeling that that's

(01:46:49):
going become more and more prevalent, and as result people
coming by the watching The actors have no right to
tell normal people how to vote or live, as they
are not normal people. Actors have no credibility anymore. That's
from Matt. What's the difference between on being on stage
and out of touch and being on the radio and
out of touch. It's a good point, hated fair enough
to You could argue that we're completely out of touch.

(01:47:12):
I'd accept that argument.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred is an uber to call. Oh
the Pie Awards.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
The Pie Awards are ragmac Come on, there are so
many better pies than the winners every year. If you
don't use Bacel's products, I assume you can't eat it. Well, yeah,
it's the Bachels Pie Awards, But I mean, who doesn't
use Bacels in their pies? Very very small amount of people.
But I mean, I don't know if that's the ruling,
but it's definitely not rigged. I mean I've been to
the judging, I've seen the whole thing. It is completely
blind tasted. And that's when nothing comes into it except

(01:47:41):
for the criteria for the pie.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
Unpolitical yeap just down on taste alone.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
And every year. I have the best pie. I'll eat
it every year, and every year it's freaking spect spec
Taculus colin your thoughts on awards.

Speaker 26 (01:47:56):
Oh look, I mean yes, cutos to Ricky Jarvis. Real
he really bought the awards alive and really gave it
to the A list. It was great. It was two
what three years, maybe I've of just slander and it
was awesome. But then this year you get the Grammys
come and Beyonce winning Country Artists of the Year and

(01:48:18):
then Album of the Year. That's just shown me that
there's nothing but money being thrown around for these awards
to be to be given.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Yeah, Best Country Album was a stretch for Beyonce. I've
got to say, I'm not talking. I don't know about
the quality of the album but it only had about
three country songs on it as a country album, or
wasn't a complete country album, whereas and it was.

Speaker 27 (01:48:42):
It was a year for country artists for prying out loud,
like you knows, there's several out there this year that
that really blew it out of the water and given
to her for like you say, not really even country songs. Yeah, well,
I mean kicking the teeth to the country singers.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Yeah, we'll post Malone jumped onto country with if one Trillion,
which is a fantastic album, But that was a real
country album. Yeah, he got went deep into it. He
was clearly a big country fan. I saw Jelly Roll
talking about post Malone and saying how his knowledge of
country music is second to none. He loves the genre
and he released the country album that was Chris Stapleton

(01:49:19):
was in there and Casey Musgraves. But yeah, so I
mean that did seem like give it to the biggest artist.

Speaker 26 (01:49:26):
Yeah, certainly, yeah, or who's got the biggest pockets?

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's been. I mean the Grammys
have got no credibility at all though, and haven't had
for a very very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
No, I mean, do you feel the same way about
the Oscars?

Speaker 18 (01:49:38):
Colin?

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
Do you think it has become incredibly political? When you
have a look at the list of Best Film and
you've got to argue, you know, it is it feels
particularly political.

Speaker 26 (01:49:50):
It does, and ever since the old Weinstein case, it's
really put a bad shine on things. And and like
you say, it is moving into more of a political
decision as year a year goes on, more and more so. Yeah,
I mean it's a dying thing. Like me, these are
sort of you know how many people sort of go

(01:50:11):
to the cinema. Now it's not a big thing like
like it was twenty thirty years ago. It's yeah, who's
choosing these awards, Like you say, it's normally the insiders.
So did the public sort of get to get any
say in these Well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
No, yeah, no, they don't get to say in it
because it's the it's the the academy that decides, which
is the whole point of at the Academy Awards. So
they started, so they started as a small sort of
industry awards ceremony at the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood, and
then they just got bigger and bigger because people were

(01:50:48):
interested in actors in actresses, because you know, they became fans.
But the thing in the end, it's it's it's never
been about awarding the most popular film. That's not the idea.
The best the best case for the Oscars is when
the most popular film is also falls into the category
that can be nominated as an oscar. You know, so

(01:51:11):
the best Picture nominees Anora said, you've got a good movie.
The brutal Ist Ye Complete Unknown. That was pretty good. Conclave,
haven't seen June Part two?

Speaker 14 (01:51:19):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
That was a freaking good movie, Amelia Peirez, very very
bad movie. I'm still here, Nicol Boys. The Substance, Yeah,
I like The Substance. It was a great movie.

Speaker 26 (01:51:29):
And I'm just actually watching that at the moment. Sounds
like you guys have got too much time.

Speaker 27 (01:51:33):
On your hand.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Four hour radio show in the afternoon and then just
off those cinemas.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
We call it, homero, mate, thank you you call Colin Cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
I take it that you're not going to be sitting
down and watching their full three hour broadcast.

Speaker 26 (01:51:50):
Oh watch, I watched the five minute highlight.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Thanks Colin Cheers. Colin, I'll tell you what, forget the Oscars.
You have kicked things off with the Pie Awards. There
is so many texts coming through on the Pirewards.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
My local bakery and Pacaranga Auckland Greenland Bakery, one Baker
Best Pie Supreme Award twenty thirty for mince and Cheese
a great Mints and Cheese is the best pie in
the world, and have won twelve other gold and silver awards.
Their pis are epic. Macyess I call it a question
that the that the Pie Awards are rigged, as the

(01:52:25):
sixth said, I definitely agree Pat's Pie's rule. No corruption
there can we Knight, Patrick Lamb. He needs to be
Was he not on the honors list?

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
He should be? Yeah, beautiful pies right, Oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We are
talking about the Oscars, but if you want to talk
about the Pie Awards and more than welcome, it is
nineteen ninetiens. The text number it is ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
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Dogs, EDB seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Greg Your thoughts on the Oscars and Awards ceremonies in general.

Speaker 9 (01:53:08):
Well, I think it was summed up pretty well by
a lot of people. And Ricky Gervais hit the nail
on the head. I was appalled watching the last time
he did it. When Tom Hanks, the way he behaved.
I don't know if you guys noticed, but he looked
like I can imagine it just looked like someone had
done something in his dinner based on him, but he
had part. So you talked him before about Harvey Weinstein.

(01:53:31):
You can watch a few years ago Meryl Streep and
all the other loveries are all singing as praises and well,
you know, falling all over and with praise, and then
as soon as it turns to custard, I'm not defending
the guy that turned on him, right, Rabid dogs talk
about running with the hens and hunting with the hounds.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Yeah, well, I mean that that whole Shakespearen Love victory
with Guinnis Pultrow crying on stage when she'd won the
award looks so ridiculous now when you know how the
Weinstein's absolutely rigged the system for them to win on
what is a very average wrong com of a movie.
She's on stage crying and then we're I mean a

(01:54:09):
lot of people, a lot of people knew what was
going on with Harvey Weinstein. There's no doubt about it.
It's impossible, I mean impossible. His assistant is now making
Star Wars TV shows and claiming she knew nothing about it.
I don't know if it was huge and horrible what
he was up to, and and it was a known

(01:54:31):
thing in Hollywood. So you're one hundred percent right, Greg,
Absolute hypocrites.

Speaker 9 (01:54:34):
That's like the guards and the concentration camp in orders,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Yeah, yeah, that might be slight hyper bulba. It's kind
of like, yeah, I mean, what's the what sort of
a really good example of it. It's Ricky Gervais as well,
when he's talking about how you know they work with
they would they would call if I just started making movies,
if I just started a streaming service, then the actors

(01:55:04):
would call them their agent and trying to work with them.
You know, if it gets them a job, they'll do.
They'll do just about anything. They'll work with anyone, no
matter how sleazy, and then they'll lecture the rest of
the world on how they behave. Thank you so much
for you called, Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Yeah right, great discussion. And there's been a flurry of
ticks come through about the Pie Awards.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
I have three pie shops in our town. They all
have Best Pie Awards on their windows from two thousand
and two and four, two thousand and five, twenty years
no awards, So very hard to win the award because
it's just a blind taste test with people that know
their pies and they have set criteria. I've seen the
judging and there's absolutely no way it's rigged.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
All above board.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
I think it's the most the most uncorruptible awards, ceremony
and awards in the entire world, the Bacal Supreme Pie Awards.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Yeah, very good, right, I think that is US four today.
Thank you very much for all the phone calls and
the massive ticks. We got really good the discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
There was a huge day of talk, and thank you
so much for all your messages, and look, we'll be
back tomorrow. Till then give them a taste to keep it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
You love love things that we know not about.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
We can go forever soil you.

Speaker 7 (01:56:21):
Want to sit it out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
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