Full Show Podcast: 04 April 2025

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Hello you Great New Zealand's Welcome to Mattin Tyler Afternoons
Podcast number one two for Friday, the fourth of April
in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five. Fantastic
show today. At the start of the show, we say
we're going to do a bunch of topics and as
usual we don't get around to them because we were
derailed by the Mano and Nui report. Yeah, damning report
came through and so we talked to a lot of

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experts and a lot of supposed experts about that report
that came through. But salacious and shocking stuff. We did
that minecraft chat. We finally got to it. We've been
teasing it for a couple of couple of days and yeah, well,
I don't know. We need to tell you what's what
we talked about in the first hour because you'll hear
about it very soon at the start of the show.

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Speaker 3 (01:27):
Talk said me, good afternoon, see you welcome in to Friday.
I hope you're doing well. I certainly am.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Get a madie, get a time. Can I say something
controversial please? Look my power isn't out, and look I'm
not experiencing any kind of flooding sit for downstairs at
this building.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
But I'm quite enjoying the dramatic nature of this weather.
I flew up from christ today, walking into the airport
from my hotel, it was just bucketing down. It was
dark and it was gloomy, and it was dramatic. After
what's been a fantastic summer up here, it was a
great run. It was quite nice to just be being
bucketed upon with you.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And again to anybody who's having a bit of hard
time now, feel for you.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
But I love a storm.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I love a good storm.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Good storm, it's good storm. Yeah, absolutely, we're calling it
an atmospheric river. Is that what they're calling it? Yeah,
something like that?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Is that new? Did they just come up with that?
That phrases that has been imported from overseas river sayings?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Because there's also of course that you know, a wee
while ago they started talking about the weather bombs, didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
They Yeah, we're a bomb atmospheric river. I mean, they're
great names. They come dro up some images. But to
today's show, and today is the day, people, this is big.
We will have our winner of the New Way competition.
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Speaker 2 (03:21):
Should we give the answers away now to make it
easier for people going there?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, let's do it all right. So on Monday we
asked the question what is the currency used in New.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
A inzd's New Zealand dollars?

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On Tuesday we asked what island is bigger? Raratonga or
the beautiful New A?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
New A's four times bigger.

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There we go, beautiful big island. On Wednesday we asked
how long is the flight from Auckland to Neway.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh, that's so easy, one to insulting question. It's so easy.
Three point five hours, three and a half hours.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Everyone knows that. And yesterday we asked what American magazine
named New Way the place to go in twenty twenty five?
And may might I say the only island to make
that list.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'll tell you what I should make New A my
mastermind topic because I know that one as well. It's
Time magazine.

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and we will announce that after three o'clock. Also after
three o'clock new Zealander of the Week?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, who will it be? Your suggestions? On nine two
nine two we appreciated who is your new Zealander of
the week. And remember, like the Time magazine to mention
Time Magazine again, then a person of the year. They're
not always an agent of good. No, they've just had
an outsized effect on the news of the past seven days.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
All right, okay, exactly, So we want the villains and
heroes nine two nine two for the suggestions after two o'clock.
A great story in the hero generation Minecraft. It is
headlined and it is arguably the biggest game in the
world and recently been turned into a movie that is
getting some pretty poor reviews at the moment, unfortunately. But
gaming has been demonized and the research I think is

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pretty clear that most games actually increase mental acuity in children,
don't they.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, especially Minecraft. I mean, if you want your kids
playing a game that's creative. You can't just wipe out
all games because you know, there was a feeling that
all games were game rot. But when I was a kid,
there was a feeling that all watching television was brain rot.
Comic books were brain rot. At one point, my mum
used to get told off by her dad for reading

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books like those books a brain rot. Get outside, stop
reading The Lord of the Rings, Stop reading June. But yeah.
A study of nearly two thousand children found that kids
that played video games for three hours per day or
more performed better on cognitive schools tests including impulse control

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and working memory compared to children who had never played.
So are we freaking out too much about video games?
Or are They're different video games with different results. And
there's Minecraft just the good one, whereas Fortnite is rotting
their brains.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Looking forward to that discussion after talk clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about our new free policy. A
column in The Hero by Matthew Houghton in the headline
is Trump Is and Wilf Force a review of our
nuclear free policy, and he makes the argument, obviously, there
is some changes in the world order on the back
of the tariffs that we saw yesterday Liberation Day, and

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clearly things have been changing for some time. And when
you look at our nuclear free policy that was brought
into legislation in nineteen eighty seven, a trackload has changed
and how we see the world and how we see
nuclear energy.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah. He points out that nuclear powered cargo ships are
being developed to replace the world's one hundred thousand strong
diesel burning merchant fleet. So if we wanted to trade
with the world and it moves to diesel powered merchant
you know, tankers freight, then we're going to have to
drop this. The Act currently prohibits entry into the internal

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waters of New Zealand's twelve nautical miles radius by any
ship whose propulsion is wholly or partly dependent on nuclear power.
So are we still into that, Do we still agree
with that policy or is that a relic of the eighties?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You got to stay back in nineteen eighty seven when
this was passed, it seemed to be quite a bit
of undue terra about the word nuclear. There was a
lot of worry about the weapons, and that's fair enough too.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Because.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
French were testing nuclear weapons in our backyard, so understandably
we were worried about nuclear But I think people conflate
nuclear weapons with nuclear power, and they're two very very
different things.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
And when you look at the environmental situation with nuclear power,
there's no doubt about it. I mean we mentioned here
China by far the world's biggest coal user and the
only major user where volume is increasing, we'll need to
transition to nuclear generation. There is no doubt nuclear when
it comes to the environment, is far better than cold generation.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, when you talk to the merchant vessels, you know,
the renewed interest in applying this applying this section now
that comes on the back of an industry that's striving
for carbon neutrality because you know, nuclear power brings high density,
reliable energy. But I mean, are there are there are
obviously challenges such if you wanted to come, such as
if you wanted to come to New Zealand, you wouldn't

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be allowed.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How should we
feel about our nuclear free policy in today's age? We
were quite rightly, very proud of it back in the eighties.
But has the world changed significantly and the demonization of
nuclear is it no longer as significant as it once was.
Love to hear from you on, oh, eight hundred eighty

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ten eighty. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
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Speaker 3 (08:58):
That'd be good afternoon. Now we are talking about new clear.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, can you please? There's four thousand people just texted
nine two nine two Tyler. Once again, you're butchering the
English language.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Right Robert who teachs Dan and I think it was Jason,
Use your fricking years. I was saying new clear, new clear.
Let you say it.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
You were on with them. You're butchering it. Jesus a Friday,
you were saying new q lear, new quir You're missing it.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Up here we go? Can you clear?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Hey, I've got a controversial to stay before we get
into this conversation around you know the act that currently
prohibates the entry into New Zealand waters of ships? Why
or partly dependent on nuclear power? That because someone's texted boys,
I can smell the uranium on your breath. Of course,
we shouldtain the idea of nuclear power not only in
merchant marine vessels, but in modular modern power generation regards. Craig,

(09:54):
I agree. I disagree that that was what he come
back from David longie, I can smell the uranium when
your breath. I don't think that was that great. We
celebrated as an incredibly good line. That's I don't thought
it was all right. I don't think it's that great.
I think David long has some fantastic lines guy, but it.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Wasn't his top. It's never done for me in the
top ten, No, right? Nine two? Was that a very
witty line from David LONGI.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Had bitter ones.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
You're not sold on it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
If you remember David longee send us through some of
his bitter lines and I can smell the uranium on
your breath anyway? Is it time to move on from
our prohibiting of holy or partially powered and nuclear vessels
into our country? Pete? Your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Thyland tylerant?

Speaker 7 (10:45):
Yeah, I reckon, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Just Tyl You just just Tyler or you want to
talk to me as wells? Sorry, no, Pete, Tyler and
Matt please come on.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Sorry, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I'm not invisible. I'm not invisible anyway. Sorry, Pete, you people, sorry, Mate.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Get it right, I reckon?

Speaker 6 (11:07):
We about to let it have them here now because
we don't even have the conflict that we have in
the world nowadays with China and Russia, and that they're
going to hank with their ships up here. If they're
here to help us out, well we need their help
and me's going to just going to go and let
them do it. You were stuck one day and we
left all by ourselves, you know, defend forselves, which we can't,

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simple as.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You're not concerned at all at potential floating meltdowns.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Pete, Oh, there's always a risk.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
But what do you do.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
You know someone's going to be at your aid to
help you out, and they're going to be here to
do whatever. They're going to have their ships or submarines
here to help us out. Well, we can't say no,
can me.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Really, we're not in that position anymore.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
The world's very unstable.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Do you not think there is an argument there, Pete,
that we're probably never going to have nuclear subs ourselves.
Australia look like they may do, but we will not.
That that is a point of difference that we could
maintain in the world.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, I think ourselves not going to make it, have
them ourselves here.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
That sort of keeps us away that for heaven and
an invasion or something in that that we haven't gotten
around here. We be lying on us people, but not
to have them here ourselves. But they can at least
come here and use it our ports facilities, or well
they can cruise around our zone.

Speaker 9 (12:22):
So they in the day.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
We needn't to protect us.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
We have nothing right now.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call, Pete. Appreciate it.
It's a funny situation we've got going on right now
because everyone's talking about how important global trade is and
people are getting upset about tariffs and stuff and saying that,
you know, the best thing for the world is free trade,
but that free trade comes with a lot of diesel

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being blast out of one hundred thousand ships craving around
the world. So that's that's a that's an interesting balance.
So same people that probably are like a lot of
people that think trades very very good, also think that
carbon neutrality is really really good and probably the only
way that we're going to get a carpon neutral shipping situation,

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as if the ships convert to nuclear.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, and it appears, you know, I go in on
Matthew Houghton's article, and he's quite right. Australia's Liberal National
Opposition they have promised seven nuclear reactors to replace the
coal fired power stations. Germany, they decided to abandon nuclear power,
but it left it dependent on coal and Russian gas
and now they are looking to reverse that. So clearly
from an environmental point of view and also a national

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security of energy point of view, it is a good
option right now to be.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
A really weird situation where we said where it we'll
accept trade vessels, but we won't accept military vessels that
are powered by nuclear wouldn't it if we, you know,
if we amended the act exactly, But as it stands,
if you if your ship was happened to be powered
by nuclear nuclear power plant, then you're not You're not welcome.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Love to hear your thoughts on this is it
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Speaker 1 (15:18):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

Speaker 10 (15:22):
This new world of terriffs. What happens next? Does it
reshape global trade? Former US Department of Treasury economists Bread
Stster is with us.

Speaker 11 (15:29):
It's a shockingly radical shift in policy that you increase
tarots on our host of trading partners by more than expacted.

Speaker 10 (15:36):
Do you expect what happens to be followed by a
lot of phone calls? And what we're seeing is not
what we'll see in a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
There's saw a set of tariffs that are in the
works that haven't yet been imposed.

Speaker 12 (15:46):
So on one hand, we know there are more taroffs.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
On the other hand, the.

Speaker 13 (15:50):
Clear signal is that you're negotiating the tariff down.

Speaker 9 (15:52):
You're not going to get the tarot kicking off Back.

Speaker 10 (15:55):
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
There's twenty six past one, and I give it to
you if you will hold your breath just a moment.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I could smell the uranium on it as you're leaning
towards me. Is that a decent long e impersonation?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, that's not bad. Was not the line.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, I could smell the uranium on it as you
lean towards me.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Not bad, It could be better better, But.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Apparently people are saying that long he stole that from
an American politician. It wasn't even his line.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
And that changes things. I thought it wasn't a bad line,
but if he stole it from someone else, I mean
that just completely cancels my marking.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
One was better there anyway, that's not what we're talking about. Hey, guys,
new ship's being built now for normal cargo, except will
be nuclear powered. If we don't change our policy, we
will be toasts exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, and this one says, guys, nuclear weapons were absolutely
something to be terrified of. Russia and the US could
literally have wiped out the world during the Cold War.
Nuclear power is completely different now and it's not terrified.
It's time we separated those two concepts. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Tony. How

(17:08):
are you?

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Yeah, very good, thank you.

Speaker 14 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
I just thought i'd throw a couple of thoughts out
there that might need a little clarification with the public. Firstly,
uranium is not the only thing that you can put
in a reactor. One of the drivers if you go
back eighty years ago to use uranium in a nuclear
reactor s that the byproduct was plutonium. Now, plutonium was

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what the military wanted for nuclear weapons. So you know,
if you went the cockbake eighty years ago, electricity was
the byproduct. Plutonium was what the military wanted. That's why
we went That's why we went down the pathway of
using uranium. So the modern reactors these days do not
use uranium. They use thorium uranium. As we've all heard

(17:59):
with Cherinoval and Three Mile Island and Fukushina, it fails
to a meltdown, but thorium fails to save. So it
is a completely different animal. I just it's so hard
to describe because the public, you know, with the lakes
of Greenpeace and what have you, have managed to terrify
the public by conflating nuclear power and nuclear weapons and

(18:21):
they all think it's all mushroom clouds and disaster. But
the reality of modern nuclear reactors is that they don't
even use uranium.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Tony, what did you say? Sorry, I just missed that
the it fails to what sorry.

Speaker 8 (18:36):
Safe to safe?

Speaker 9 (18:37):
Oh, okay, safety, right?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I was I was thinking it fails to salt. I
was like, well, that's that's good.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
No, sorry, Well it's funny because the reactors are called
molten salt reactors.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right, and what what is the what is what is
a people bid reactor?

Speaker 9 (18:55):
So people big reactor is that's essentially what these little
uh robots running around on Mars, that's what they're using.
That's where you take a fissile material like a uranium
and you you encapitulate it in a people like a
marvel of ceramic, so that they essentially generate heat, but

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they're not as efficient, but they're quite safe.

Speaker 15 (19:21):
Right.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
It means you don't have uranium being scattered around the environment.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So another question is there, what do they use in
nuclear submarines.

Speaker 9 (19:34):
I could tell you, but i'd have to kill you. Actually,
I don't know, you know, going back, because it was
eighty years ago, it was probably it was probably uranium.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, right, so, but.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
I just want to make the point uranium is not
the only thing you can use. There's other things you
can use, and they are much much safer.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah. Well, thank you so so much, Tony. So you know,
if you've got, say, if all hundred thousand cargo ships
that are currently traveling around the world were replaced over
time with nuclear power, you think that would be you
know what percentage of them would cause damage? You know,
would melt down and cause cause a problem.

Speaker 16 (20:16):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (20:16):
Look, you know, mother nature has a way of disrupting
the best laid plans, so, I mean, who knows, but
you know, Fiji Rehn Booker went out this week actually
and said that Fiji was buying one, right, what.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
A nuclear and if you've heard that a nuclear vessel.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
The Fiji is buying a nuclear powered vessel. Right, So
this technology is coming ready or not, and you're don't
consisting with its head up, you know, and pretends that
this is not happening, but it is.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, I mean as early as nineteen fifty one, they
had nuclear powered commercial vessels, the NS Savannah for example.
I think Germany and Japan and Russia they've had they've
had commercial nuclear power commercial vessels. It's not something that
is in the wild future, in the wild you know,
imagination to say that was happening as long ago as
nineteen fifty nine.

Speaker 9 (21:07):
Yeah, And look, the other point to make is that
you know, a modern power a nuclear power station is
the size of a football stadium. And they are enormous
that the modern salt based thorium reactors. You know, you
can I'm exaggerating, but you can containerize these things, right,

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so they're much much smaller. You build the entire reactor
in a factory and you ship it to the site
rather than trying to build it on site. It's a
whole different game, guys.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Is that ready to go, Tony? Because it's long. You know,
the argument of not having nuclear power in New Zealand
was that we're too small and the infrastructure is too
large and we just can't do it. But now they're
having a similar a similar argument over in Australia. But
is that technology ready to go? Is that the game changer?

Speaker 9 (21:54):
It is not ready to go in the sense that
it's it's not commercially ready. But there are I don't know,
there must be half a dozen, so I guess you'd
call them test test reactivists that are being built in
the UK in the United States at the moment. So
they're being built, they're being operated, they're being tested. But

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these things, you know, it's not like a COVID vaccine,
right you roll it out and you release it the
next day. There's a decade of testing to be done
before they're reallyting to commercialize it. But it's well advanced.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So, Tony, I'm assuming that you would support moving on
from the act that prohibits the entry into New Zealand Waters.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Of Oh absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 8 (22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (22:41):
I think we're crazy not to be. I mean it's
coming ready or not?

Speaker 13 (22:44):
Yeah, I Meani's buying one good.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, And Australia is getting nuclear subs. So we're going
to say to our best mates from ANZAC no, we're
not going to have your subs visiting.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah. Nothing against Fiji, but we can't let them beat
us on this front.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Hey, thanks for your call, Tony, appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. How do you feel about our nuclear free
policies at time? To review it, get rid of it.
Considering the state of the world right now, it is
twenty seven to two.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
This Texas is Tony is also modulent more in the
last five minutes than I have in my entire life.
That's from mars Liga.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
He was.

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Speaker 3 (24:41):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane. Interesting news about the Manawanui.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, so the crew and commanding officer of the Navy
ship Manuwanui were undertrained and the boat was not up
to the task it was doing when it grounded on
the summer and reef. Multiple failures of the crew, the ship,
and the Navy itself have been identified, and a damning
report by a Quarter of Inquiry into the sinking of
the off the coast Summer and October Wow, which occurred

(25:06):
after it was left and right flight the port, is
a full transcript I'd like to read that of the
drastic night. So it was conducting hydrographic surveys off the
reef that neither the ship nor the crew were equipped
to do when it ran aground. This is damning.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
That is very down.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
So one hundred and thirty million dollars they say, I mean,
I think we bought it. What'll we buy it for?
About one hundred but you know they say one hundred
and thirty or something is the cost. That's that's pretty
that's pretty bad. The crew and the commanding officer of
the Navy ship were undertrained.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
With the line. There there was no one on board
who was qualified enough to carry out the hydrographic survey.
And work that the ship was tasked with doing, and
the ship itself was not cleared for the work. The
court found that is it is insanity.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
That is a very expensive humiliator right there.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Oh man, Yeah right. There's going to be a lot
more to come on that as the afternoon progresses.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
But right now, I did a David Longi impersonation before.
Let's see how it stacks up.

Speaker 18 (26:04):
What I should like to know, sir, is why you
don't do the rible and the consistent things and pull
out of the ansers alliance for whether you are snuggling
up to the bomb or living in the peaceful shadow
of the bomb, New Zealand benefits, sir. And that's the
question with which we charge you, and that's the question
with which we would like an answer, sir.

Speaker 19 (26:23):
And I'm going to give it to you.

Speaker 11 (26:24):
If you hold your breath just for a moment, I
could smell the uranium moment as you.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Lean I got a good bit of applause there. I
just don't think it's that great a joke.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Well, if he stole it as well from somebody else,
then yeah, come on, David.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
If you're leaning forward, LOO can smell the rumonium on
your brick.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
That's better. That is much better. Oh e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And
we are talking of course about the nuclear free policy
that we have in this country. As a time we
get rid of it or certainly review it. Love to
hear your thoughts, teachs coming through it.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Ben says, I hope the new theory is a nucleipout.
I don't think that's on the table.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Unfortunately, good idea, though it's not our choice.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
If a nuclear warship calls into Auckland Port, what are
we going to do? Give them a tech Donald has
not heard of arcus. We need them, they don't need us.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's a good point if they do turn up here.
I don't think there's too much we can do about
it at that point.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's the question that that's been raised here. And look,
I'm non nuclear physicists, as a lot of people point out, Yeah,
excused to me. I am a brain surgeon, but I'm
not a nuclear physicis okay, right? Anyway, I am a
rocket scientist, So awesome, park your nuclear ship and the port,
plug it and get ten thousand houses powered for free.

(27:40):
I've just been interested to know how powerful the reactors
on these subs are and on these vessels are. How
much could they power one of the story. I could
be wrong that the you know, at the collapse of
the Soviet Union and you know, they would just caught
a lot of money. They were like, join a nuclear
powership to plug into your gred Am I right for

(28:02):
saying that? Well they said that to us, Yeah, I think,
I think.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
The Russians were like, we can't pay for their butter
we've bought and that meat we've bought. Would you like
one of our subs?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And we said no. Obviously we said no. We should
have taken it, pack it up in a littleton. It
could have powered the South Island. Maybe one hundred eighty
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Gary agrees with me that it's not a great joke
from Longie. How did he know what uranium smells like?
Not a great joke.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
It's pretty deep, Gary, It's pretty deep, I.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Think Alex credibility religate a comment off the cuff comment
from nineteen eighty five, n T.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Did you love long E's joke?

Speaker 16 (28:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Your nay? Let us.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Darryl, Welcome to the shows.

Speaker 20 (28:44):
Yes, good afternoon, Hey guys, my brother is a director
of one of the ferry companies in Canada. Yeah, and
there was a meeting with all the ferry companies in
Halifax so late last year and just so that they
all get together and have a look at what's happening now.
The company called Maritime Atlantic, which is owned by the government,

(29:08):
have a brand new ferry that they leased from a
company in England which was manufactured in China, and they
were told at the time not to purchase it. They
leased it for five years and they were told not
to purchase it because within five years most of the
ferries in the world and a lot of the ships

(29:29):
will be run by nuclear.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Wow, that's interesting.

Speaker 20 (29:33):
And two of the general dynamics that people have built
the or the build the submarines for the US Navy,
the nuclear submarines. Two of their chief engineers or whatever
nuclear physicists, they've gone out on their own, two separate companies,
and they're building a nuclear power unit that fits in

(29:54):
a twenty foot container. And a lot of the ships
and ferries they expect to be switched over to these.
They just cut a hole in the deck, drop it
down into the bottom of the ship. Look it up
to electric motors and away they go. Well, but they
were told not to buy the ferry.

Speaker 21 (30:13):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (30:13):
And the fairy is similar to what we're getting here
or what they've booked up for here, but I think
slightly larger and they have an eighteen hour trip.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It's about five years sort of period before new firies
come online.

Speaker 20 (30:29):
Well, yeah, they will be coming into effect as long
as last as these guys can get the things.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (30:35):
The thing is that you don't have to refuel them
for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah. I mean, we definitely have to repel this act
if we were going to have firies going back and
forth on the Cook Straight and a nuclear pass.

Speaker 20 (30:51):
I was going to try to get hold of Winston
and tell them about that, to get them to check
that out, because to be told not to buy a
fairy yeah until yeah, for five years and the existing
ferry that they've got, the new one has the capacity
to be switched over to nuclear.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Right, So I wonder if that is being considered at all,
if this is information that Winston Peters has. Obviously right
now you could you couldn't. You couldn't. You couldn't book
right now, you couldn't book a nuclear powered fory for
New Zealand. But maybe you'd make one, get one that's
ready nuclear power ready, slow one of these, throw one

(31:31):
of these modular nuclear power generators in there. Because did
you say, Daryl, that there's that that they come with,
just a slot that you can put them in.

Speaker 20 (31:42):
Well, the plan is that a lot of the ships,
not necessarily just ferries and things, but the other ships.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess if
it's if it's as small as as you say it is,
sort of container sides, then down the track, then maybe
we can upgrade our ferries.

Speaker 20 (32:00):
Well that's the thing. And do you just cut a
hole in the deck, drop it down and install the
mortars the electric motors on the where they're going?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And that was just the Chinese fearry builders doing that,
or is that this is technology across the board?

Speaker 20 (32:11):
No, no, no, it was the actual suggestion came from
the company that's leasing the ferry to the Maritime Atlantic.
If you look on Maritime Atlantic, I think they just
got the ferry about six months ago. Seven months ago.
Oh wow, that's a brand new ferry.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Hey, Derek Derreyl, can I share ticks with you? This
Canadian caller has the best voice I've ever heard in
my life. He should be doing radio ads. I concur
it's a beautiful voice you got there.

Speaker 20 (32:39):
It is funny that you should say that, because just
as I was leaving school, I applied for a job
with a radio station in Canada and I missed out
on the job. To my neighbor, who then went on
to become the radio manager for that station for the
last forty seven years, Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I missed a track. They should have hired you, Daryl.
You would have done well.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
Well.

Speaker 20 (33:04):
I've been told that, you know, I've got a good
Canadian accent, except I've been in New Zealand for thirty
seven years. Right, But I don't hear accents. I don't
pick up on accents.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
For some reason, listening to you makes me want to
pour myself a whiskey. Yeah, you know if you if
you were selling a whiskey, I'd buy it, whatever it was.

Speaker 20 (33:24):
How about a those Canadian club?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, can you club? Get Darryl on the line. Hey,
thank you so much for that insight. That is incredibly
interesting and beautifully delivered.

Speaker 20 (33:35):
It is and it is for New Zealand and the
fact that if they these ferries that they're purchasing, they
really need to look at it on the basis that
maybe we can change the rules and at some point
they can just switch them over to nuclear.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah all right, if you're listening, Winston Peters, Yep, yep,
hold off. Yeah, Well make sure that they make sure
they've got the capability to be switched over to nuclear
when your time comes. This so many texts coming this.
This guy is one hundred percent onto it. Effectively all
shipping will be nuclear inside a decade, says this text.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yea oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I think Darren might be the most popular caller we've
ever had to them.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Tiler Afternoons, a fresh take on talkback Matt and Taylor Afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Talks that be eleven two two.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
So we just asked the question today is the act
that prohibits ships who are wholly or partly dependent on
nuclear power from our waters? Is that still a good
act or should we get rid of it? If you
consider that our good buddies Australia are looking at nuclear
powered submarines, possibly by the early nine twenty and thirties.

(34:53):
And as a lot of people are pointing out, the
one hundred thousand strong diesel burning merchant fleet of the
world is looking to change to nuclear power. Yeah, lovely,
that might be coming sooner than you think. It's not
sci fi. They had nuclear powered commercial ships in the
late nineteen fifties and through the sixties.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Exactly oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
To call, Chris is why are we so pious regarding
our new free status if we're invaded by the likes
of China, which isn't as far fetched as it was
once considered. Are we going to stipulate to our allies
non nuclear powered vessels must be used in our defense?
Goodness me, let them send anything to help us. And
as for as nuclear power generation, we're idiots not to

(35:34):
use it, especially in Auckland where the population is. That's
from Chris. Thank you for your text.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, thank you, Chris, Helen, you quite like our nuclear
free policy.

Speaker 22 (35:44):
Yes, I'm good afternoon. Such a comment. Now, I understand
that thinking back, the reasons why the nuclear policy no
shipping within was probably because of Muroa a French tests, etc.
And then the fear of perhaps some of the lodge

(36:05):
lo lobbing and missile of visiting ship while it was
in port and or the arena, or the man been
running around on reefs. So that very valid reasons, I think.

Speaker 23 (36:20):
Now.

Speaker 22 (36:21):
And then there's also the the the matters of the
small population, the instability, you know, it was quake prone,
and how to dispose of it and all that sort
of thing. Now, I wouldn't necessarily stick with my view

(36:44):
all forever because I think shouldn't be changed just yet.
But you know, the last two callers, you know, they
made some good points, but you can't rely on something
you hear on talk back as being absolutely accurate. So
we need more, you know, we need something more than

(37:04):
you know we need. We need to have the facts.
And because I think things are developing. But I think
it's quite quite a valid to be worried about ships
going aground on reefs.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
And yeah, thank you so much for your call, Helen.
I mean, especially when the crew and the commanding officer
of the ship Manou and Ui were under trained and
the boat was not up to the task they were doing. Yeah,
but you know, people would say that when we when
we're scared of you know, that kind of situation, that

(37:38):
you could probably ground a ship on a reef in
that and with the technology now of nuclear power, that
the that that wouldn't necessarily be a problem wouldn't be
it wouldn't cause them outdown exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is seven minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Mattis Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor Afternoons news Talks be.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Afternoon. It is five to two.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Great discussion we've had about whether the act that prohibits
nuclear propulsion partly or wholly nuclear propelled vessels in our
waters is up to scratch considering a lot of merchant vessels,
a lot of cargo vessels might be replaced by nuclear
power very very soon. So many texts coming into this.
I'm looking forward to an all to all the older

(38:29):
generation dying. It's nice, okay o off worth their idealistic
kids in the sand, so New Zealand can embrace nuclear energy.
That's from Campbell. Hi, guys, remember when altricy was invented,
people thought it was witchcraft. The same goes for nuclear power. Thanks.
I saw this cartoon in the newspaper when Aletrist was
first coming out, and people thought that if you left

(38:52):
the plugs on it, eltricity would pour into your house
like it was coming out of a tap. Right, Yeah,
I think some people have sort of similarly informed views
aroount nuclear power at the moment. Isn't it just that
we don't want nuclear arms and our waters? Nuclear power
is one of the most clean forms of energy there
is these days.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, great texts and great phone calls, Thank you very much.
Great discussion. Right coming up after two o'clock, let's have
a chat about Minecraft and gaming. Are we freaking out
about games a little bit too much?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah? A few studies are saying that games are good
for cognitive abilities. Have we just been demonizing games unnecessarily?

Speaker 9 (39:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
If your child plays Minecraft, love to hear from you.
If your child's got you into the game as well,
Really keen to get your thoughts, or if.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You hate it and think it's destroying society, we want
to hear from you as well.

Speaker 14 (39:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Absolutely, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's a
number of cool new sport and weather on its way.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 17 (39:53):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Good up, No, welcome back into the show. Seven past
too great too. Have you come to here? Of course,
now before we get into the next topic, we just
want to have a quick chat about the Manawanui. The
report has been released, a massive investigation to that sinking,
and it is not good.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, we'll get Jason Wolls on very soon to talk
about it. There has been the stand up and this
is the basics that have come out. The crew and
the commanding officer of the Navy ship Manoa and Nui
were under trained and the boat was not up to
the task it was doing when it was grounded. I
mean that is pretty damning and multiple failures of the crew,

(40:31):
the ship, and the Navy itself have been identified. The
report also contains a full transcript of the dramatic night,
including the captain telling the crew they would survive if
they abandoned ship. I'd like to read that transcript I
mentioned would be a good read. So there was no
one on board who was qualified enough to carry out
the hydrographic surveying that the ship was tasked with doing,

(40:52):
and the ship itself was not cleared for the walk work. Sorry,
but I mean that wasn't really the problem, was it.
The problem is that they didn't know how to get
it out of autopilot.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I mean the report goes on to say, out of
the forty five people on board, there were twenty personnel deficiencies,
which is fancy way of saying twenty people did not
have the experience to be on that chip.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
And so does it. You know, we'll find out exactly
how much how much blame the commanding officer takes. I
guess the buck stops with the commanding officer. Yeah, but
was she on deck when it happened? I mean that
is that is multiple failures of the crew, the ship,
and the Navy itself. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
I mean there's been a lot of discussion about the
resources that we should or should not be pumping into
our defense force. I think a report like this, and
I was already in favor of putting more money into
our defense force. Across the board, clearly we have to
there is massive deficiencies across the board, and this was
a vessel that was meant to be doing surveying work.
It wasn't even a war vessel. And still those people

(41:54):
on board did not have appropriate training to be there
to do that work. And we've lost a ship that
was worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, somewhere between one hundred
and fifty million dollars plus whatever costs we've had to
incur dealing with this situation. I mean, that's money that
the country needs, and that's definitely money that the defense
forces need, and due to what looks like rank and competence,
it's at the bottom of the fricking sea.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, I mean we're going to open the summon.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I've make some terrible mistakes in my time.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
It works, and you continue to continue to Yeah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Regularly get words wrong. I regularly say horrific things that
should get me canceled. Yes, but I don't know how
you could what it would be like to take on
board the guilt and the shame of sinking a full
one hundred and something million dollar navy vessel. I don't
think peacetime.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, I don't think you can cock up any worse
than that. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call it. We are keen to get
your thoughts about this report, and very shortly we are
going to catch up without chief political correspondent Jason Wolves
to get has thought he is going through the report now.
It's quite a large report, ye, but we're keen to
get his thoughts from a political point of view.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Well, shall we take a break and come back with him?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yep, that sounds good right. It is ten pass two.
After the breakweather chat with Jason Walls, and.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Then we'll get stuck into minecraft.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Okay, Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and
Taylor afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Good afternoon. It is thirteen past two. Well, the report
has been released into the sinking of the Manawen Nui.
Looking through the in depth report is our political editor
Jason Walls, who joins us once again. Get a Jason.

Speaker 24 (43:51):
Oh good afternoon boys.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Jason. This appears to be a damning report. What are
the basic findings?

Speaker 18 (43:57):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (43:57):
Well, I mean right at the top, human error and
a failure to disengage in auto pilot control has been
confirmed as the root cause of the Manawan Nui running
aground had sinking off the coast of the Pacific. Now,
what I'm saying is that somebody accidentally and it was
an accident, of course, but somebody's human error caused a

(44:19):
one hundred million dollar problem. I mean, you've got to
be that person if you've ever made a mistake in
the workplace, at least feels some sort of level of
gratitude that it wasn't a one hundred million dollar mistakes. So,
with the press conference is still running, We've just heard
from Navy Rear Admiral garn Golding and here's what he said.

Speaker 25 (44:39):
And so it wasn't a deliberate, high grade survey. It
was a rapid environmental assessment. So it does come with
additional complexity, and it did have an operational outcome. It's just,
you know, we are operating in complex environments.

Speaker 24 (44:58):
So that's a bit of an understatement. We are operating
in complex environment And listen, I'm not like, this isn't
a pylon of Yvonne Gray, who is the commander who
was the captain of the Mona when when it's sunk,
but still looking at the issue, you must think, come on, guys,
this is just not good enough.

Speaker 18 (45:15):
Now.

Speaker 24 (45:15):
Judith Collins was at the press conference as well, and
here's what she said.

Speaker 21 (45:19):
You know, we all know this shouldn't have happened, and
really bad things happen from time to time, and hopefully
it never happens to any other navy as well.

Speaker 24 (45:31):
Yeah, thanks for that, Judith. I also hope it doesn't
happen to any other Navy in the world. But listen,
it probably won't happen anywhere else in the world. It's
not one of those sort of only in New Zealand things.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, well, unless she's she allowing us to speculate that
at the time, she's saying speculation isn't healthy. It's fun. Though,
What do we know about Commander Gray's involvement culpability and
it has that been discussed?

Speaker 24 (45:54):
Well, it would be in the report somewhere in terms
of that, but you'd have to imagine, I mean, she's
not on the hook for the whole one hundred million dollars.
I don't think she has that sitting around. It's it's hard,
isn't it, because obviously it's it's a whole different level
of than it is if you crash the company car.
You know, at least they have insurance. I don't know
anybody that's ensuring one hundred million dollar ships out there,

(46:16):
but you know what this is. I don't want to
speculate on her future. I mean, there may well be
more to come on what happens with her at the
center of this. But looking at the report, I mean,
the court was satisfied that the direct cause of the
grounding of the ship was a series of human errors
witnessed by witness two and four. So they've obviously gone

(46:37):
into some detail talking to some people that were on
the ship as well.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
This statement here I find quite shocking. There was no
the hydrographics surveying that the ship was task worth doing it,
and the ship itself was not cleared for the work.
That's what the court has found. So so did anyone
worship doing there? Yeah, who said go ahead?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
That's the question, right how high does it go, whether
it is above Commander Gray, and whether that is a
failing across the board from the top right down to
the bottom.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I mean, there's no doubt that they've cocked up what
they were doing. But the fact that there was no
one qualified to even be doing it in the first
place is quite shocking.

Speaker 24 (47:18):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and I guess this is as so
this report has just come out. We'll be going into
detail about these specific issues and we'll have answers for you.
But just looking at it, I mean those sorts of details,
I mean, a head scratcher probably underplays it quite a lot,
I would say.

Speaker 8 (47:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
If anything, Jason Judith Collins has been talking a lot
about us needing to step up in terms of our
defense beending. If anything, this report would back what she
is saying, that we need to have more resource and
to not just buying these beautiful vessels and planes and
the rest of it, but training our staff.

Speaker 24 (47:49):
Yeah, and I mean it comes actually fortuitously at the
same time as the government plans on releasing its Defense
Capability Plan, that is the blue print of what it
wants to do in terms of spending across the military
and the defense force for the next decade and a
half or so. So we've been waiting for that for
some time, and we do know that it's going to
more cash than it has before. This is bucking the

(48:11):
trend of the rest of what's happening in government by
actually putting more money into a department rather than taking
it out. And absolutely this will come up when Judith
Collins is asked about this, because she'll say, well, look
at this, this is the consequences of underfunding. We have
a hundred million dollar problem.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, and so they're probably going to have to up
their funding by at least as much as it costs
to buy a new ship one hundred million or so,
and however many millions it took around the salvage.

Speaker 24 (48:40):
Yeah, so that is and to make the report as well,
I mean it's not cheap.

Speaker 8 (48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Hey, thank you so much Jason for coming on at
short notice. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
No, no problem.

Speaker 24 (48:48):
Well, just before I go, when I did my cross
with you guys earlier today, I was talking about the
Select Committee report into the Treaties Principal's Bill, and I
said that the report had concluded it was an international embarrassment.
That was my error. The report actually that was from
the Green Party said that it was an international embarrassment.
So my mistake for my apologies for that mistake.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
No good clarify now, I said at the time it
sounded like the words of zealots. So interesting. Thank you
so much, Jason, and thanks for that correction.

Speaker 24 (49:16):
Thanks guys, talk them Monday.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Go well mate, That is News Talk ZB Political editor
Jason Wolves. But we're keen on your thoughts on this,
so eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The text machine is
lit up, as has the phone lines, so keen to
get your view. It is nineteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Very good afternoon to you at twenty one past two,
and we're talking about the findings into the sinking of
the Manawanui and it is incredibly damning. The reporters come
out or just came out about an hour ago.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
The crew and the commanding officer of the naval ship
Manawanui were undertrained and the boat was not up to
the task it was doing when it grounded on the reef.
That is re when I say reasonably, that is very
very damning. Steve, your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
On this, well, I've got like twenty years seatime tucked
under one of out. I did search and rescue and
all that.

Speaker 16 (50:16):
You know.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
I have a trall Master's ticket, which is pretty hard
to get years on. I got that through Norwegians where
can at sea doing search and rescueing that with the
Iran from the Air Force. So there's a lot of
stuff that people, especially like Jujah Pollens, are just assuming.
I wouldn't think that she would know anything about being

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at sea, you know. And there's a whole heap of
things that people are just assuming about. You know, the commander,
what about the chief engineer? Because I'll tell you what.
Every vessel has a cursor line, you have a waypoint
where you're going to. There's an alarm in the wheelhouse

(50:57):
that goes off every six minutes, so if you fall asleep,
it will wake you up. If it goes off and
you are still asleep, it's instant dismissal because you're putting
it everyone's life at risk. The other thing that they're
not looking at is when was the last time that
vessel was up on survey. There's a lot of things

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that can go wrong, and everyone's blaming the commander, which
is so wrong, and everyone assumes things.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
So does the commander? Does the commander not take ultimate
responsibility when a ship well goes down?

Speaker 5 (51:31):
I don't think it's just her fault. Okay, people are
blaming her, right, but a.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Lot of things can go wrong.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
And see there's so many containers and things like that
that a float around out there, you know, and all
sorts that can cause major problems. Okay, So I don't
think that everyone's been too harsh on their commander and
that's not fair.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
You can understand when a over one hundred million dollar
ship goes down that people would naturally at least point
their fingers some of the time at the commanding office.
As that the court rule. The court stated there was
no one on board who was qualified enough to carry
out the hydrographic surveying that the ship was tasked was doing,
and the ship itself was not commared to do it.

(52:15):
That is an intense of the Out of the forty
five people on board, there were twenty personal deficiencies, it found.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah, and clearly the hierarchy of the defense commander is
incredibly senior position. And whether it goes higher than the
commander on that vessel, it looks likely that maybe it
does go higher than that, But certainly she carries some
blame for what happened there. That is their whole role
of being in that senior position of leadership, Cliff your.

Speaker 15 (52:42):
Thoughts, Yeah, after that, lad, just going back to the
hob on they had, I don't for what I tell
them where there was, if they have or anything. But
at the end of the day, if you cut money
in the service, you lose people. Lot the armed forces
in New Zealand have gone backwards and the amount of

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people are leaving because the pay is no good, So
you end up pushing people up the pecking order too quick.
I was watching recently a thing about the American Navy,
and you have to do years on each pay level
to get up the grades, and you've got to have
that time served. And if the Zella Navy is short staff,

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we couldn't even put enough people out to cruele our ships,
let alone have the highly qualified enough to do it.
So if we're going to send out people who are
not up to the positions, you know, I'm not saying
that the command is it's all her fault by any means,
But if she has been pushed into that role too

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quick and there's not enough people around her as well
who've got the experience, and that's basically saying that that
the ship is really shouldn't have been there for the
people that are cruing it. So what is the sense
of putting that ship out there if it goes back
to the Chief of the Navy, because they must plot

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where that ship's go. They said that there for a
reason to help out the government survey that area. For
some reason, we decided to send the crew that wasn't
up to it, so we even do the survey, let
alone run that ship. So it comes back to the hierarchy,
and it comes back to money. At the end of

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the day. The money that has gone into the Navy
hasn't been enough to keep the qualified staff up. And
it's just like every service in New Zealand. The money
hasn't been there because we'd probably blown it all over
the past five six years with COVID and other stuff
that there's just no money just to upgrade. There's no

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money to pay enough people to hire wages to keep
them interested. You know, probably they don't gone to the
Australian Navy. They're probably their commanders have probably got on
average ten years in the service.

Speaker 9 (55:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Well, you know, she wasn't new to the naval career.
It was her first ship she command, but she started
in the United Kingdom in the Navy in nineteen ninety
three as a war warfare officer, so she's she's been
in the game in some former and other since nineteen
ninety three, so that is a long time. Yeah, we're

(55:23):
talking thirty two years of being in and around. So
it's not the fastest promotion of all times, no, no, exactly,
although moved up the ranks pretty quickly after coming to
New Zealand in twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. And there's some great texts coming through. We'll
get to some of those very shortly because we're a
bit late for headlines. It is twenty seven past two.

Speaker 17 (55:52):
Jews Talk said the headlines were blue bubble taxis It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. A scathing official report
into the sinking of the Manawanui ship off the Sarmoran
Coast has unearthed to spite and then competency and inadequate
procedures which ultimately contributed to the incident. Police are appealing
for the public's help in a homicide investigation. Sixty five

(56:16):
year old Simon Byrd was found dead in the Wellington
suburb of Northland on Tuesday, this week, armed police are
stationed in Levin searching for two people who fled after
a car chase. The car was ditched in MacArthur Street
and one woman was arrested. The architect of the Treaty
Principals Bill David Seymour, believes the country is in favor

(56:37):
of his proposed legislation. That's despite the majority of submitters
opposing it. Parliament's Justice Committee has today released its report,
revealing ninety percent of written submissions were against it. A
met Service has issued several watches and warnings for the
North Island and top of the South Today.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Basher roko a muchau chao kol.

Speaker 17 (56:59):
Looking back at the many restaurants of twenty three Ponsonby Road.
You can see the story at enzid Herald Premium. Now
back to matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
the Court of Inquiry report into the sinking of the
Manawanui which came to the conclusion human era was and
platter is a very damning report and it pointed at
the lack of experience of the personnel on board the fissile.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
So it's not a disciplinary body.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
No so the court and I'm just reading this part
from the report, it is not a disciplinary body and
cannot make findings of guilt. However, the court hands recommended
a separate inquiry be made into possible offenses. The possible
offense or offenses have been redacted from this particular report,
so more to come.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
So they can't issue taserings.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
No, unfortunately, not there it is there.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
A couple of weeks ago I mentioned tasering people. Yeah,
it was a bit of a fan of mine. Now
anything I say on about anything, this is one hundreds
of textgo taser, everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
The daily taser reference, and there it is for today.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yes, so you know, boy boy, there's a lot of
So this is an interesting that came through Tyler and Matt.
I concur with your earlier caller about the captain of
the ship. Ironically, would anyone be saying something different if
the vessel's captain was a man? But annoyed with both
of you, I don't think it's relevant what sex the

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commander of the ship was. They become the figurehead as
the ranking person on the ship, and the ship goes
down any ship. Ever, the first your focus is on
the captain. This case, the commander of the ship. That's
the way it's always going to be. You become a
figurehead of the ship. It's the same as the captain
of a sports team exactly, with a lot more power.

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So you are always going to be under scrutiny. If
you're the commander of the ship and the ship goes down, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Can categorically say it doesn't matter who that commander was.
I would still be saying the same thing right now
that if they were the commander of the ship, whether
they were female, male, whatever, they would still be deserving
of criticism and this as they have been in this
particular report.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Well, I mean, the only crew remember we really know
of from the Titanic was the captain. Everyone knows his name,
Edward J. Smith. We know that name because that was
and I don't know any names of any of the
other crew member. Yeah, members, Leonardo DiCaprio was on the
boat at one point. That's about all I know. But
a Kate Winslet that's it. Yeah, Billy's aye, and Edward J.
Smith behind the behind the wheel.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Exactly oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call King to get your thoughts about this report
and to the Manawanui, Jill, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (59:37):
Good?

Speaker 23 (59:37):
Thank you very much. My question was going to be
does the Navy do the DEI hiring? Not because she's
a woman, I'm just asking if the people were so
undertrained and they weren't enough of people on that were
is it because of DEI hiring.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I've got no idea all I can give you, Jill,
and it's probably not a great answer to your question.
But the report did mention, and it came from the
Admiral Garren Golding, that the different technologies on the vessel
or a massive problem for the Defense Force and the Navy.
So the different technologies on the vessels, so that the

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personnel going on this particular vessel may have been trained
up for a different style of vessel and they weren't
trained up for this particular vessel. But that is a
mass mass of failing. But to your point, don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Thanks you call Jill this Texas says. Tony says, are
you aware that New Zealand Navy has more admirals than
sea worthy fighting ships? It's interesting fact if it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
That is a good factoid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I served twenty years in the Royal New Zealand Navy,
including six years on board our ships, of which three
years was on board HG men ZS A Manoa, a
hydrographic survey ship. My first thought upon the most recent grounding,
to my surprise, was why was a vessel of that
size so close to the reef? Back in the day,

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smaller survey vessels carried on board ship would have been
used in those kind of shallow wa Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Now I mentioned, sorry that quote from the Admiral Rare,
Admiral Garren Golden, and this is the direct quote. So
he said there were a range of issues, including the
lack of commonality across the fleet, which this is a
direct quote, which means our people need to constantly adapt
to new procedures each time they change ships. We need
to do things differently. We need to adapt to new technologies,
change the way we approach what we do and find

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new ways to continue to deliver upon what is expected
of us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, and further to what Sarah just text, she was
the person that has served on it twenty years in
the rural New Zealand Navy. They have come back and
said that the ship itself was not cleared for the
work it was doing so, you know, as you're saying
Sarah that you'd expect us smaller survey boats to be
doing it. And that was the first thing that Sarah
thought when she heard that went down. Why was it
so close to the reef? And looks by this court

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has said that it was not cleared to be doing that,
which is very interesting. Chris, your ex navy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Yes, in the late succeeds, early seventies. My view would
be there, I'm surprised that they aren't talking about a
court martial there. I think I was the last naval
court martial of a high ranking officer, But there's been
court martials right across down to the lower deck for

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far less than that. So my view would be that
on the bridge there would have been probably two ratings,
the chief petty officer and navigation officer. I would say
that the captain and the navigation officer. If it was
on the deck, I would say they are definitely in

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a demotion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Now, Chris, what powers does the court martial have?

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Court martial.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Can it go as far as does it just find
culpability and demotion, or can it lead to the demotion or.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Demotion or they're sent out Navy, Army, or air force.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
So it can't go as far as the equivalent of
criminal proceedings with casta hoody or sentences or.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
So generally, unless it's involved with us in a civil situation,
then that's possible. But none of us, none of us
directly involved in an enforces situation with no civilian consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, so this court didn't have any disciplinary you know, capabilities,
does it, But but you think that there will then
move on to a court martial of They've said that
out of the forty five people on board, there were
twenty personal deficiencies, So yes, would that suggest twenty court martials?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
No, No, they wouldn't. Unfortunately, and I feel sorry for
the I can't remember her name, but you know she
made gray Yeah sorry, came with high credentials from the
real Navy. No, No, she would be. She would be
at the top high would think that she'll you know,

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she might be demoted down to maybe a lieutenant or
lieutenant commander, could be, could be. I'd be surprised, which.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Is not so you know, you know that how this
goes down. Having been in the Navy, so they're saying
that the ship should never have been doing that what
it was doing, and that no one on board was
trained to do it, and that the ship wasn't cleared
to do it. Who would have made the decision or
made the order for that to have happened? Would that

(01:04:53):
happen on the on board? Would that of order be
part before they even left? Sure?

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
No, that crew, that crew would have been selected on
either it was their turn and on merit as well.
I mean that they're trying the trained hydro either ratings,
petty officers or officers in hydro products in hydros surveying,
So that would that would have been that would have
been those appointments would be made at PHILAML.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, but the court, the court has found there was
no one on board who was qualified enough to carry
out the hydrographic surveying, that the ship was tasked worth doing,
and that the ship itself was not cleared for for
that work. So I'm just yeah, I'm someone just asking
who would have who would have ordered that work to
be done, because wouldn't that wouldn't that person also be

(01:05:43):
under under the spotlight as well? You know, I don't
know how it works. I don't know how it works,
but it doesn't seem like to me that a ship
would just go out and randomly do surveying for fun.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
The the the postings or drafts are done. Sure, yeah
bye bye that that who responsible for for crewing are
massive fleet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
So just on there, Chris. So, the commander of any
vessel is not necessarily responsible for the training of the personnel,
but they should be across at once they are assigned
to their fleet, their vessel.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Yes, yes, and I think today it's the same as
when I was in The overall captain of a fregrate
has the right to have some crew on or not
have some crew on if he's not completely happy. But yeah,
they should have been they should have been trained on shore.

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And then I guess she should have ensured that they were.
But this is staggering. I can't remember. I can't remember
anything in the last since that's the rule Jon they
were formed in nineteen forty. It's been this bad, that
number of people, a number of naval personnel untrained.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Would it be Would it be too harsh to say
that this is humiliating for our navy?

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Oh totally yeah, I mean, I mean the commodore of
a mind fillmo and and and and the rear Admiral
will be will probably be in the garner that we'll
certainly be embarrassed. I mean, Judith Collins's defense minister. She

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probably hasn't had any you know, we normally have defense
ministers that have served in one of the forces or not.
She's she's the first for a while that hasn't right,
it'll be it'll be interesting, but it's Yeah, as I say,
I've seen court martials for ratings and officers for a
lot worth a lot less than what's happened here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
And Chris, Yeah, sorry, Chris, you've seen. You were just
saying that you've seen court martials for a lot less. Now, Chris,
there's a lot of people coming through quicking the qualifications
of Commander Gray. But you were saying before that you
think that she was fully qualified for the job coming
up through the British Navy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Well, she was certainly qualified to probably command a frigate
or a survey vessel. I don't obviously have any insight
on how much a qualification she had in surveying, but
she certainly would have had very very good qualifications of handling.

(01:08:41):
I don't know, I don't know what sort of posting
what she had in the Royal Navy, whether she's been
first officer on a frigate or a destroyer. But I
would imagine she would have had to been She would
have had to have been at least first officer on
a reasonably modern Royal Navy destroyer or frigate to have

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got that position.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Thank you for you call, Chris. The crew and the
commanding office of the Navy of the ship were undertrained
and the boat was not up to the task. That's
what they came up with. So you know she was
qualified for the for the job or not that they
found that she was undertrained for the specific action.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yeap, very interesting phone call. Oh one hundred and eighty
teen eighty is the number to call. Love to hear
your thoughts on this Reporting to the sinking of the Monea.

Speaker 18 (01:09:27):
We know it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Matt and Tayler afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
They'd be it is fourteen to three. We're talking about
the Court of Inquiry reporting to the sinking of the Manna.
Were knew. It is very damning and Mam, we've had
truckloads of texts come through.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
This is what I was trying to ask, Chris, Has
anyone checked the text ass has anyone checked where the
command came from? Was it via email? It's a fact
that someone blah blah blah, things can go wrong. Well, anyway,
the point I was trying to say in a bunch
of people are texting the same kind of thing as
so they don't just go out there and randomly decide

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to survey our reef Surely those that is that direction
comes from, sure from command above those on the boat.
Unless you've got your command as you know, your orders
are to just go pissed around some and just have
a bit of fun and you know, survey anything you
feel like. Because you know they're saying there was no

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the hydrograpt I'll keep reading the same amount hydrographics surveying
that the ship was tasked with doing, and the ship
itself was not cleared for the work the corn found.
So who said to do it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yeah, well, I'd love to know what the hierarchy is above.
She was a commander, right, So then you've got the
rear admiral who's right at the top of our navy
at the moment, So surely there is people above the
commander who may have made that decision.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly how it works,
but I imagine that you just don't do you just
have general, you know, survey what you feel like surveying
and just hanging around outside for a bit and have
a bit of a cruise. I mean, why were they
serving that surveying that reef? Yeah toward end, Hey, guys,
that chap is completely wrong. The military court martial has
the same powers of a high court with the New
Zealand and has the powers to incarcerate military personnel, distarge, fine,

(01:11:27):
and demote. Sometimes it does all four depending on the charge.
That's from Dave. So would you get put into a
military prison?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, I suppose you would.

Speaker 8 (01:11:36):
And where is that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
And which case would you be in there? By yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Yeah, we're in too many rooms? Would they not?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
In New Zealand and the Navy is at a floating prison?
Do you just get put in the in the brig Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty if you do know, Jay,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:11:54):
Hey guys, how are you going?

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:11:55):
Good, good, Hey, i'd just like to push back on
a couple of comments that I've heard recently. The as
far as the master of the vessel captain goes. You know,
I haven't worked in the navy, but I've worked in
the commercial sector as a decan and for about sixty years.

(01:12:18):
But as soon as you step on board a vessel,
the master is in command. So the master needs to
the captain needs to be on everything. So if they
haven't got the staff or the crew that can manage
the task, then they're responsible for finding crew that can

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manage the task. If the captain's been given a role
that the vessel can't do or that the master is
unable to do, then the captain's the captain's responsibility is
going above them and sorting that out. But as soon
as everyone's on board the boat, as far as navigational

(01:13:04):
stuff goes, if you can't take a vessel on and
off auto pilot, then you should never be anywhere in there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
So you're saying, Jay, that the commanding officer should have
looked around and said, look, the crew isn't trained to
do this, and and the ship as.

Speaker 13 (01:13:25):
What I'm what I'm saying is that the captain is
responsible for everything that happens and with that vessel, I mean,
let's let's let's just go sideways. Imagine this conversation in uh,
the aeronautic industry. Imagine a captain of a plane using

(01:13:47):
this excuse.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, well, I mean she hasn't. We haven't heard from it. Also,
I don't she's personally not using any excuse at the stage,
but some people are.

Speaker 13 (01:13:57):
The airline there, the captain wasn't. The captain wasn't allowed
to fly at a certain height. Therefore, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, yeah, But what about a situation, Jay, where you
could rightfully expect certain members of your crew to know
what they were doing, and then below you they let you,
let you down, so you had every reason to believe
they were up to it, but then you found out
that they weren't. Would that still be the captain's or
the commander in this case's responsibility.

Speaker 13 (01:14:30):
Well, well, I believe it. I believe it's the captain's
duty to ensure that everyone is up to scratch on board,
and yeah, if they're not, then you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Know, yeah, Well, thank you so much for your insights, Jae.
I appreciate that military prism on n you. This actually
It's funny when you say things out loud and then
you actually knew the answer. But thankfully we've got the
the oracle. It is nine to nine two that gives
us all we need and all of it one hundred
percent reliable. Military prism Is that burn a military camp?
How do I know? I've been there serving in the army, right,

(01:15:09):
So of course you used to hear about burn And
military camp all the time. So how many people are
currently incarcerated in Burning Military Camp? Is it just a
drunk tank for people that have got a bit loose? Surely?

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, you're in there for twenty four hours. And Digster,
if you said that you've been there while serving, love
to hear what you did to get a bit of
time in the Burnham Military Jail.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I'd love to hear from someone that knows more about
burn And Military camp. And why did I hear it
about it so much in my childhood? But I haven't
heard about it for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Ah Right, We're going to take a quick break, but
we're going to come back with more of your calls.
It is eight to three the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matten Taylor afternoons used talks be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Good afternoon, it is six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
This is really interesting. The maritime component commander, which is
a commodore, determines the role of the ship and tasks
of that ship. You have a very interesting situation where
the MCC who sent the ship was promoted to the
current admiral whilst the sh travel till some are so
that could be the spanner in the works. That's very interesting,
simply says Dave. The crew was not trained on azipod

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propulsion systems that the ship had. And the azipods are
interesting because they are you know, they're they're essentially what
would be the best way to describe it, so there
they they fire either way, so you can they can
you turn them around and they're independent. The asy pods
the same way to have that kind of level of control.

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And one of the things that was odd is that
they actually accelerated towards the reef when they were concerned
about it, which suggested that they didn't know which round
which way around the azy pods were. James very quickly
because we've got to go to the news. Your thoughts
on this, Yeah, I used to.

Speaker 11 (01:16:55):
Be kept on similar vessels to these and yeah, it's
I think it'll be quite interesting to see what happens
when when all the informations out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Hey, James, will you sound like the exactly like the
person when need to talk to? Could we come could
we get you to hold on and come back to
you after the news, because runn out of time, But
I think you're exactly the person we need to talk to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
You're a good man. We've only gone about fifty seconds
to the news, So just hold there, James, and we'll
come back to you after three o'clock. Quick couple of
texts to the news and we'll come back with James.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
As were they trained by the same people that train
our faery captains?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know this tix. So guys, it's
very simple. If the INZ Navy top brass brass rather
knowingly sent that ship and crew to do that survey
without the proper training, then it is on the top
brass and the Minister to resign as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
That's from Steve and the six says, grow a set
of testicles. It's DEI so many leaving our forces because
of being overlooked.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Yeah, very good, All right, we'll keep this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Going a little bit and talk to James just after
the news.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Yeah, by eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is four minutes to three, New
Sport and weather on its way. Great to have your
company as always listening to matt and Tyler News Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
News Talks ed. Be very good afternoon to you. Now
before the news, we had a gentleman called James who
rang up and he was a man who had a
lot of knowledge in this realm when we're talking about
the sinking of the Manawi and the report that came out. Now, James,
I think we've got him here, James, James, mate, thank
you very much for hanging over the news. Really appreciate it.

(01:19:00):
You're a good man to chat to because you used
to work on a vessel pretty much identical to the
one that sunk the Mona.

Speaker 8 (01:19:06):
Is that right?

Speaker 13 (01:19:08):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 11 (01:19:08):
I was chief officer on one just like it and
keptain on a bunch of others.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Oh wow, So what's the difference between chief officer and captain?

Speaker 11 (01:19:17):
For those of us that know nothing of when you're
not in the navy. Either the captain's the captain, the
chief officer, or the first mate is the one just
below the captain.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
And you mentioned that the vessel that you worked on
had these azipod propulsion systems and the same type of autopilot.

Speaker 11 (01:19:38):
Similar. Yeah, the ASI pots are very common, and especially
in the oil and gas industry. A lot of fairies
also cruise ships that sort of thing. It's the extremely common.
Now they sound not too much for the navy, So.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
They sound complex. Are they hard to wrangle? Because you've
got three sixty you've got going in different directions. They
can go in opposing directions from each other, can't they
They can, Yeah, and.

Speaker 11 (01:20:05):
You can do all those things. You can drive them manual,
but normally i'm those are the things. There's automation that
can drive them for you.

Speaker 9 (01:20:12):
I used to do all of it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:15):
But but yeah, so for surveying that they'd either be
an autopilot or they'd be in DP. It's I think
it's probably what the what they're touching on, but just
not telling everyone because they don't want to confuse everyone.
But it's it's they probably started tourturing with the DP system.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
What's the DP auto pilot?

Speaker 11 (01:20:31):
Oh, you left to gurgle it maybe all day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
That's the dynamic positioning system, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:20:37):
Dynamic positioning Yeah. So it's a it's basically it's a
control system that will control the direction in the velocity
of all your your screws and your your thrust. Is
that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
So when and part of this report, James, was that
it took ten minutes for the crew to regain full
control of the ship's propulsion system when they disengaged that autopilot. Effectively,
from your knowledge of similar vessels in similar systems like
the DP, keeping that autopilot on, highly likely they wouldn't
have run into trouble.

Speaker 11 (01:21:09):
You see. This is this is what I'm wondering when
the full full report comes out, because when they're saying
that DP, when they're saying auder pile, I don't know
where they're actually meaning that they're They could be and
they could have been in DP while they were doing
the survey, right yeah, So when they say, you know,
and your familiarization of those sort of ships is really
important because there's there's a lot of design features of
all the equipment. So the equipment does things, and if

(01:21:32):
you're not familiar it does what what might might do
what you're not wanted to do, but it's there. There
are design features. It's like it's like, you know, if
you've driven Japanese cars and you suddenly get into Mercedes.

Speaker 15 (01:21:41):
And you go, right, how how do I drop this?

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
Yeah, it's it's like that, And.

Speaker 11 (01:21:45):
And familiarization is extremely important. And I don't want to
load the captain up, but that that's one thing that
they are they are responsible for is to make sure
that anyone that is in control of anything does know
what they're doing. Yeah, I had I had qualified officers
on my ship who didn't do things that I expected
them to, but it was up to me to make
sure that they that I knew the limitations and made

(01:22:06):
sure that they didn't know enough.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
That's intertally, because the finding from this quart is that
there was no one on board who was qualified enough
to carry out the hydrographics surveying that the ship was
tasked with doing, and that the ship itself was not
even cleared to do it. But you're saying that commercially,
this kind of activity is happening all the time, and
is standard there and a lot of people around the
world that a lot of people around the world that

(01:22:29):
are trained.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
To do it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:32):
Yeah, when they say not trained to do hydrographic surveying,
you know the Navy has h hydrographic surveys, so and
they did the surveying part. I think what the meaning
is that, you know, reading between the lines, they probably
didn't have someone to operate the bridge equipment, and the
bridge equipment that they probably don't have the knowledge for
is probably the dynamic positioning part of it, because that's

(01:22:55):
a whole separate to I've got a master's ticket, an
unlimited master's ticket, which means I can be captain of
any ship in size anywhere in the world. But on
top of that, you still have to have a dynamic
positioning certificate, which is done using you do courses and
you have time and the chair and that sort of thing.
So it's a separate qualification in the merchant side. I
don't know what they're doing the Navy side, but you'd

(01:23:17):
be stupid not to. And that that makes sure that
you can operate the dynamic positioning system because there's a
lot of wall rigs around, not that one that blew
up in the Golf Mexico that there was a dynamic
positioning all rig so they had dynamic positioning on it
to hold it in position. So dp's everywhere, But it's
quite possible that the that was I think it's possibly

(01:23:38):
the only Navy ship that had it. And it takes time.
You can't just for them to be qualified to do DP.
They would either have to get someone like me in
there to teach them, or they would have to get
the Navy guys on to comment into less they all
in guess industry to to start learning how to do it,
because you can't just you know, you can't just learn
from from nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
And James, you're saying that ultimately the buck stops with
the commander to know that the crew is trained to
do what they are actively doing.

Speaker 11 (01:24:07):
So and the and and also I mean I've always
been a bit militant with with safety when that's one
sort of life. And I was quite happy to leave
the industry with my having having not not enough in
front of a court and that sort of thing. But
the the thing is, if you if you're not if

(01:24:28):
you're not really to stick up for yourself, you shouldn't
be captain. So like they give you people that can't
do the job. If you know, if you haven't got
the stones to turn around and say, look, it's not happening,
then you shouldn't be in command. And finally, and this
isn't nothing about women, and this is just the thing.
You know, if you're not ready to walk, you're not
cut for it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
And finally, James, have you pictured what it would like
to be the commander or a captain of a vessel
that sunk, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 11 (01:24:56):
You wouldn't want to be that person.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Very very well, said James. What else do you say.

Speaker 11 (01:25:04):
That they were sailing though the ship They were sailing
like a So it's a DP two ship used for
subse operations in the aguest innistry. It's a very very
high spec, highly highly built ship that you've got to
try really hard to sink one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much, very insight.

Speaker 11 (01:25:25):
It's not like the old days.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Yeah, thank you so much for insights. James really appreciate
someone that actually knows what they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Matt and Taylor very interesting and great to get James
back after the news. And thank you very much for
all the phone calls and texts about the reporting to
the sinking of the Manawanui. We have had thousands of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
But there'll be Yeah, Ryan will go into more detail
after four o'clock. Absolutely, but let's change it up over
the next forty minutes or so. We mentioned this after
one o'clock. But we want to chat about it now.
Minecraft it is a game with retro graphics and no
way to effectively win, but it has become a multi
billion dollar empire and now it's got its own movie

(01:26:06):
starring Jack Black among other Hollywood A listers. Not doing
so well in terms of what the critics think, but
evidence is that it has been used as a way
for children to upskill in many areas of development.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
So that's what we want to have a chat about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Yeah, and there has been some studies. There's a study
of nearly two thousand children that found those who reported
playing video games for three hours per day or more
performed better on cognitive schools tests including involving impulse control
and working memory compared to children who had never played
video games. And Minecraft has pointed as one of the
more healthy games. So have we got it wrong about

(01:26:47):
video games? Because parents are expending a lot of energy
kicking them their kids off video games, and look from
personal experience, I feel like you can see worse behavior
from kids after they've been playing video games for a while.
But have we got it wrong video games not as
bad as we think they are? Or is it just

(01:27:08):
Minecraft that is an outlier because it's so creative and
it's essentially the virtual version of Lego. So we want
to hear from you Io te hundred and eighty ten
eighty do you think video games are terrible for kids?
Or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty do you think
that Minecraft and some video games are actually a positive?
We'd love to hear from.

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Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Absolutely, that is coming up very shortly. But in the
meantime we are talking about Minecraft. It is arguably the
world's biggest game, and on the back of the movie
coming out in theaters, we've asked the question have we
freaked out a bit when it comes to video games?
Is there actually a lot of benefit for children playing
the likes of Minecraft? O eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Call Pete your thoughts on Minecraft.

Speaker 15 (01:28:51):
Yeah, be honest, I don't even know Minecraft does.

Speaker 8 (01:28:55):
But I just saw this video. It was about five
years ago and I was.

Speaker 15 (01:29:00):
A Christmas video and it was like around Belgium and
Holland and Grandad gives grandson because for Christmas. Merry Christmas, right,
and a look of mine camps.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
All right, Okay, he's got one.

Speaker 15 (01:29:20):
Man breaks his old man to the other grandfather, he said,
I said Minecraft, not mine camp.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Granddad's got that one wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Yeah, this Texas says, Hey, guys, great show. Thank you.
My son got a Nintendo Switch for his seventh birthday,
and at the time Minecraft was huge among his friends.
He quickly became obsessed and to this day he builds
the most incredible worlds. Every time he shows me. I'm amazed,
but I can't watch for long because the navigation gives
me motion sickness. I don't mind him playing, since he's

(01:29:51):
learning about different materials, and it actually seems quite educational.

Speaker 15 (01:29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I mean it's called a sandbox game Minecraft, and that
it's a fully you know, you can do anything in it.
You know, you're not on a linear path like some
video games, and you're not. You know, you can go
and build what you want and do what you want
and play it like a sandbox. And that's why they
called sandbox games, which are fantastic for kids' brains, are apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Just on the Minecraft versus other games. I mean, that
Fortnite had quite a lot of criticism against it over
the last few years, but I think Fortnite could be
considered a lot different as and it can rack up
young kids to get to a point where if you
tell them to get off that game, they freak out,
whereas Minecraft. I've never played it, of course I know

(01:30:40):
about Minecraft, but it appears that it's not a situation
of winning or being that rapped up that if you
tell a child, hey, you can have another half an
hour of Minecraft, it's not going to flip that switch.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
In my experience, kids sort of play Minecraft for a
long period of time, kind of like they'd play with Lego,
and then they kind of drift off it. But the
Fortnite nature of the games, you start, you land on
the island, you have a ticking clock, and then you
have a result. At the end, you know where you
can and from when you died, so it is more addictive.

(01:31:13):
It moves around. But there is a creative part of
Minecraft as well. You know you have to if you
watch those kids playing Minecraft, how quickly they can build
their thoughts in Minecraft, it is mind blowing. I might
play quite a lot of Fortnight in my life, but
now I'm so far behind kids that I basically never
won anymore the talent level. Hey, guys, my friends and
I play Minecraft. We're in our thirties and have at

(01:31:33):
our own little village land disputes and vote on what
we can build. It's a great fun and a good
creative outlet. Cheers. That's the kidd thirties getting good results from.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
It, Claudia, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (01:31:47):
Good?

Speaker 16 (01:31:47):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
And what's your thoughts about children and video games?

Speaker 14 (01:31:53):
I think it can be a good thing, but too
much of a good thing is going to be very
bad for you, especially with so many video games having
so much vivid colors, and also you know the age
of creation as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
How long do you how much do you think is
too much in terms of say hours a day, claudiaphorg.

Speaker 14 (01:32:18):
If they don't know when to get off it on
their own, that is too much.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
In the study we were talking about, they found that
kids who played video games for three hours per day
performed better on cognitive schools tests involving impulse and control
and working memory compared to children who had never played
video games. So three hours a day seems like a
lot if you consider school and then you come home
like with you an hour before school two hours afterwards.

(01:32:46):
That seems like a big part of your life. But
it does also seem to have had some at least
some benefits with kids.

Speaker 14 (01:32:54):
I believe that too. I think some kids who actually
have a bit of like a normal in a normal situation,
and they have obstacles or learning difficulty that may really
benefit them in a different setting. But I feel like
I would be keen to get my daughter to try

(01:33:16):
Minecraft one day. She's only sick. Yeah, and she sometimes
plays on our switch game Mario cut is something that's
very It's got a lot of noise and vivid colors
that she you can see the difference with how she
reacts when you tell her to get off that game.

(01:33:37):
It's almost impossible. You almost have to say, hey, you know,
like be really stern and yeah, get them to stop.
But I feel like Minecraft is a really good game, yeah, yeah,
to get into. And I only knew about it recently
from the wool Worth you know, the QPI things, the
the cowpboards. Yeah, I've only learned about that and things

(01:33:58):
like there's a lot of learning involved.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Yeah, I think so much for it for your call
a Texas is everyone thinks that gaming isolates kids and
ruins social interactive skills. Eight year old son plays Minecraft
while running a group messenger voice chat with three of
his mates, chatting rubbish, but very engaged with each other.
Kids have to be doing outdoor so kids don't have
to be doing outdoor play team sports to Oh sorry,

(01:34:23):
kids do have to be also doing outdoor and team
sports and stuff as well, though, yeap.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Keep those texts coming through, and also we're keen to
chat with you on OH eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty if you play Minecraft yourself or you play with
your children, love to hear from you. Is there a
lot of benefit two games like Minecraft?

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Or is it all just mine?

Speaker 9 (01:34:43):
Rot?

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Yeah, it's twenty five past three.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk SB.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Good afternoon. We're talking about Minecraft and gaming in general,
and some great texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Better for kids to play video games than watch YouTube.
Can't stand my kids watching irritating American kids or hype up.
See that's kind of what I believe because I used
to come home from school just make about twenty five
sandwiches out of white death bread and peanut butter, and
get a tall glass of fenter and sit and watch TV.

(01:35:24):
Exact a vegetative state for years and years and years
at least with a game like Minecraft, you are having
to be creative, You're having to do stuff. You're having
to interact a lot of kids. As a previous caller said,
talking to people their friends online. At the same time,
it feels a lot more engaged than just sitting down

(01:35:45):
having you know, they talk about lean forward or lean
back entertainment, and Minecraft is lean forward. Is that you
have to actually interact with the computer as opposed to
just move h And it's got to be video games
got to be better than doom scrolling TikTok oh exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
And you mentioned three hours. When I was a kid,
I was smashing way more than three hours of TV today.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
I've been a pilot for forty years and I'm mostly
exactly the same. I've reached the top of my industry
and I still play Minecraft every day.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Nice, Yeah, I love that? Is it for leape if
I said that?

Speaker 9 (01:36:21):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:36:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:36:21):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Yeah? Hey good yea, so.

Speaker 12 (01:36:25):
Yeah, thank you. I'm I'm a gamer and I've been
a gamer my whole life, and my girls just starting
getting into video games. She's got Minecraft on my wife's
PC AND's been playing quite a bit lately. And I
like how he teach us her how to build stuff

(01:36:46):
and go around and explore, much better than just sitting
around watching YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Does no, you continue? Sorry?

Speaker 12 (01:36:57):
Okay, it can teach you well, you know, some different
skills as well that you don't expect. For example, I
was a kid growing up in Brazil. English was never
my first language, and my early life in game, he
taught me a little bit of English back then, and
so yeah, the kids might get something out of it
that you don't even expect, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Yeah, that's interesting. And I think parents just look at
things like this that they don't necessarily know what's going on,
and just assume it's bad because it's what's happening now
and wasn't happening when they were kids. What's the mood
of your daughter like when she's gets off the game, Philippe.

Speaker 26 (01:37:34):
It's all good.

Speaker 12 (01:37:34):
We usually let her play after her schoolwork and dinner,
and then she plays for a bit before going to bed.
We will let her play for three hours straight. It's
usually an hour an hour and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Yeah, and do you play with Felipe? Sorry to jump
in the do you play with her? You played against?

Speaker 12 (01:37:53):
We play Mario Kart and some other Nintendo games. I
just don't get the mine crafting. Sorry, I just don't
think it at.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
All fair enough?

Speaker 8 (01:38:00):
Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
I'm a game of myself in Lipe, not a massive gamer,
but I certainly love playing games. But it's just one
of the games I haven't given a go because I
can't see the appeal a bit. Clearly, there is a
lot of people who disagree with me on that.

Speaker 12 (01:38:14):
I agree, Bro, I don't know if you knows the game,
elden Ring, that's the one I'm and my daughter just
loves watching me play that. She keeps saying, Daddy.

Speaker 17 (01:38:23):
Don't go there.

Speaker 12 (01:38:24):
You know the dragons there, You're always getting killed? Why
you keep getting back?

Speaker 17 (01:38:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:38:28):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
I mean that is a huge game our elder Ring. Absolutely, Felipe,
thanks very much for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Hey, I'm just to question before you go, Philip, people,
how would you feel about your daughter playing a game
like Fortnite, which is basically, you know, parachuting into an
island and then mass murdering strangers while you run around
and trying to escape from a circle that's coming towards
you of toxic gas. You know, is that would you

(01:38:55):
be as happy for her to play that game?

Speaker 12 (01:38:58):
Well, I don't see much of a trouble with a
shooger like Fortnite because it's all animated. It's a different risks.
She was playing Call of Duty. When I was growing up,
we had Mortal Kombat, you know, in the early nineties,
and that was massive when he came out, you know,
So yeah, I won't have much of trouble with that,
you go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Thanks so much for your call. Hey guys, Ever, gaming
here games are just like any other media. There are
plenty of games appropriate for children and just as many
that aren't. It's up to the parents to be proactive
and do some research on what the kids are playing.
This textas says, gets you, Minecraft gets you dexterity focused,
critical thinking, and assertiveness. Yeah, I'd say I would say

(01:39:38):
that would be true of Fortnite as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Yeah, absolutely. Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is
the number to call. Love your thoughts on this one.
It is twenty eight to four.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Thank you very much, Railena. Matt, I'm trying to turn
off the F one. I know you're watching the practice
round of the Japanese Formula one. We're not very excited
about how Liam's gonna do. But how was he doing?
By the way, do we know this is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Just the practice round? Okay, right, we don't have any
limb anyway. Yeah, there wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
I wasn't professionals here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
I wasn't anyway. What's up? What do we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
We're chatting about Minecraft and there's some great chats coming
through a couple of people having to go at gamers. Guys,
gamers are lame. Try and get one outside to swing
a hammer and build something or skin possum. They are
you less on the building site. I've seen them, would
never employ them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Yeah, well you are learning creative skills and that you
are swing swinging a hammer. Yeah inside Minecraft. But yeah
that's you know, as someone says, you get fat, fat
legs and strong thumbs. But yeah, it would be true
to say that maybe your brain power has increased, but
maybe not your practical, practical handyman skills and are not

(01:42:03):
not being increased by playing Minecraft. Martin, I wanted to
show your thoughts on Minecraft.

Speaker 8 (01:42:10):
Bye good agents.

Speaker 9 (01:42:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:42:11):
I'm a single dad of about thirty six or thirty seven,
and I've got two daughters. One is five years old,
one is ten years old. And what we do typically
when we when they with me on weekends, we've got
what we call game night. And typically what that means
is after dinner, around six seven, we'll all get in
front of the TV. We've got two TVs set up

(01:42:32):
and two xboxes connected, and then all three of us
will start playing Minecraft. And this can easily go into
the midnight hours if we really get stuck, you know,
on a mission or holding castles and stuff like that. Yeah,
and I think my little five year old since she
started playing with us, you know, not that she started
learning it just yet when she started playing, you know,

(01:42:53):
reading at school, but she can already start making out
words and understanding you know, if she sees something because
she sees it in the game all the time, that
she's now connected, you know what a word means and
what it is to be able to read it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Well, that's great because that's quality time with your kids,
isn't it. That's not just them sitting on in a
corner and you off doing something else. You're very engaged,
that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
Yeah, and it's you know, it said night hours. What
else better we got to do? We is enjoyed some
family time.

Speaker 21 (01:43:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
The other game we played together is I don't know
if you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Guys know ARC or Rings a Bell. Tell me about ARC.
I have seen it advertised, But what's the essentially.

Speaker 8 (01:43:31):
Yeah, you're a survivor and you build bases and hunt
and team dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Okay, and then and your team and yeah yeah, yeah,
we all enjoyed that one as well. Yeah. So I
mean there's no difference then at all between the very
wholesome thing of a family sitting around and playing a
board game together. Yeah, then then a family playing Minecraft together.
Sound like great, Dad Martin, thanks for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
Thank you very much. Takes tier, guys, I have a
nice Oh sorry. Also, Minecraft teaches you some great general knowledge.
For example, heating sand in a furnace makes glass, or
when laugh and makes contact with water creates rock.

Speaker 9 (01:44:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
See that's great. So when the apocalypse comes, you'll be
able to use that to make glass and you'll be
able to survive exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Liam, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 16 (01:44:19):
I'm good mate.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
And Minecraft? Do you play it yourself? You got kids
that play.

Speaker 15 (01:44:25):
I just play it myself.

Speaker 16 (01:44:26):
I've been playing it since I was about fifteen sixteen
years old. I'm currently twenty three's overall, I've had quite
a lot of fun with Minecraft, made a lot of memories,
and I've played a lot of hours of it.

Speaker 19 (01:44:44):
When your mind's pretty open and you're a brief thinker,
you can think of all sorts of different things you
could build and then like built.

Speaker 8 (01:44:52):
Up on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
How old are you now? Liam? Did you say?

Speaker 19 (01:44:57):
I'm twenty three?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Twenty three? And do you think playing Minecraft was good
for your brain? Good for your your your mind, good
for your socialization, good for your mood.

Speaker 19 (01:45:09):
I think it was good for my brain because it
also taught me how to be more organized with certain things.
So like with chests in the game, a lot of
time that was just that you throw all your stuff
from your inventory into a chest and it's all nextinction
that you can't really find anything you're looking for. Yeah,
so we'd personally go through and thought like all the

(01:45:32):
stone out, sort out all the tools, all the materials
and stuff. I'd useful building and have it all on
its own individual double chest.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Oh well, thank you so much for your call, Liam.
It sounds like it's worked out for you. Gaming here
also project manager for a passive fire company.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Oh there we go, this one, says, guys, who has
time for this mindless craft. Back in the eighties, it
was hard Graft searching barefoot through bottle banks for refundable
bottles rather equally questionable enterprises to get twenty cent coins
for the spacey space these machines at Ari's Greek takeaway
shopping you Land or zippityz Apps in Great North Road,

(01:46:11):
or at space World on Queen Street when it had
to soul good times.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
I'm a gamer and I own two businesses with thirteen staff.
We are not all useless losers, says this texter. Yeah,
very good, Hi, guys. Games like Micraft Minecraft can also
be great avenue into coding. They're able to be modern
and give you lots of real life experience in coding.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Yeah, great discussion, Thank you very much. And judging by
the text and the phone calls coming through, people love
Minecraft and clearly, there's no doubt about it. The research,
thees it is it can be very good for child's
development on a raft of different things when it comes
to the brain, but.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Everything in moderation. Tyler and I would say it's got
to be better minecraft, a creative sandbox game, like that's
got to be better than what I did. As I said,
just sitting on the couch in a vegetive state, generally
just watching Top Secret starring Val Kilma over and over
and over and over and over and again, utill I
could quote every word.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Yeah it is a good movie though, Yeah, right is
eighteen to four.

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Zealander of the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Week Mattiath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Matt and Tyler Afternoons News Talk ZMB.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B.
We name the New Zealander of the Week in honor
that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who
has had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful
nation over the previous week. As always, there will be
three nominees but only one winner. And remember, like the
Time magazine Person of the Year, the New Zealand of
the Week isn't always an agent of goods. Sometimes they
are nominated because they are dicks, sometimes because they're heroes.

(01:50:42):
You can make up your mind why they're there. So,
without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons
New Zealand of the Week. AH number one also gets
the bit Part Superstar Award. She was in a few
episodes of the show early on, so as White Loatus
three comes from an exciting climax at four pm our
time Monday, she deserves a mention. She might even get
an on screen death scene. Who knows, for having a

(01:51:05):
role in the most tense show on TV at the moment,
can we Actress MORGANA O'Reilly, you have been nominated for
New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
Whoo that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Nominee two also gets the David Copperfield magician like attempt
to make something massive disappear Award. When faced with mild
media questioning about their MPs challenging social media activity, some
political leaders might have answered the questions or maybe force
the paid MP in question to front up. Instead, they
threw a word salad smoke bomb in our faces. Mix
that with a shut up because some people are being

(01:51:37):
mean followed by a shut up. None of you are
even qualified to have an opinion on this. The Green
Party half leaders for your masterclass in magical thinking political diversion.
You are nominated for New Zealanders of the Week. Unfortunately
for them, We're starting to get wise to such trickery.
But there can be only one alright, Whoo, whatever has happened,

(01:52:00):
you still have a crapload of talent and one of
the twenty seats that are available. Do we dare to
dream you beat Sonoda ideally keeping Red Bull out of
the points. Maybe give him the bird as you pass
them on the home stretch. Liam Lawson, we still love you.
Will be watching practice, qualifying and the race and you
are the Matt and Tyler afternoons New Zealander of the week.

(01:52:23):
Get them a taste of KeyWe come on, Liam, get
him Liam guy gets fired, gets us on all the week.
That's the way it works.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
And Tyler Adams, well fair to say, are worthy? When
I met you? Back on you back on the practice rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
I'm just watching the practice rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Couple shots of Liam. Never the radio shows getting in
the way of my enjoyment of this anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Yeah, but anyway, A worthy winner, a worthy winner, and
that is going to be an exciting weekend watching the
Grand Prix in Japan. Right coming up, very shortly, we
are going to ramp up the week. It is nine
minutes to fall back. Very shortly. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler, the big.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything in between.
Matt and Taylor Afternoons, used Talk ZEDB News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Good afternoon. It is six to four. That is almost
us for the week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
What are you excited about happening over the weekend there, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Oh, Formula one, without a doubt. I am super excited.
And I say that as someone who hasn't traditionally been
a massive fan of Formula one. But I am all in.
I am all in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
There's nothing wrong with jumping on the bandwagon, Tyler, nothing
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
That is what I do. I love jumping on a
good bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
So there's a whole weekend of it. You know that
practice is happening right now out of Japan if you
want to jump on and watch that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
And then we've got the qualifying tomorrow at six pm
New Zealand time, and then on Sunday the big race
at four fifty five pm is when it all kicks off.
So it's hugely exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Super rugby also exciting this weekend the Chiefs versus Reds
that's seven o'clock, the top of the table clash and
one in pacifica going so well. Warriors two an afternoon
game two five tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Something to do and Fiji and Drewer playing the Crusaders.
All the Crusaders finally Beatji Fiji and Drewer in Fiji,
and I'll be along in Eden Parks the Blues, Hurricanes
and my beloved Highlanders are playing the Force at nine
point thirty pm.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Yeah, huge week in love. I love the day rugby though,
that is fantastic. Two pm. Is that not the perfect time?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Absolutely? Hey, yesterday I ran into a fine group of
gentlemen at OGB in christ Church having a beer and
they said to me something I didn't expect anyone to
say to me. In the year twenty twenty five. We're
going along to see the sex Pistols tonight at the
town hall and they were hyped up. They so I
played in Auckland, so I told them that I'd play

(01:55:12):
a sex pistol song on New Storks. He'd be for them, And.

Speaker 22 (01:55:15):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Thank you so much for listening to another week of
Matt and Tyler Afternoons. We'll be back on Monday afternoon for.

Speaker 20 (01:55:26):
More of us.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
We'll see you then.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
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