Full Show Podcast: 04 February 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 4th of February: the 'cowards punch' bill - Israel Adesanya speaks up in support of Private Member's bill from National MP Paulo Garcia.

Then the Afternoons duo talk about people pulling a sickie. Some great calls and a lot of humour in this one.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you great, New Zealanders?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
And welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast
number sixty one. It is the Tuesday. It is the
fourth of February. It is that Tuesday, fourth of February five.
Great show today went deep into a bunch of really
interesting stories around something that I've forgotten what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Some look it was something that is israel An. Oh yeah,
right to the table yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, we went eep into the coward Punch conversation. There
was some really good stuff there, quite shocking stuff, so
I yeah, quite eye opening stuff around violence in our
society yep.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
And then a deep dive into sickies.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, so we go sicky hard and I start the
new campaign step up and be a powerful Kiwi and
celebrate being healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Got a lot of people on board. Yeah, you wrapped
up New Zealand with that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
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Speaker 1 (01:18):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoon with the Volvo X ninety News dog ZMB.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Good afternoon, Hope you're doing well on this Tuesday. We
certainly aren't, okay, map.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Get A Tylers.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
So later on the show we're going to talk about
ale lice after an article we read in the Herald
about people on planes that jump up as soon as
your land and stand in the aisle.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Does my hidden but we're gonna take it a bit
broader than that. The what is the etiquette when you're
in an aircraft, whether it's landing, taking off, being in
mid flight. There's a lot of things that wine.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
People are reclining.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, you're big on reclining.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'm antie reclining. I think you've got to be very
careful when you recline in someone's face. You've got to
do it with utmost, utmost respect for the person behind you,
and never ever recline during meal service. That happened to
me on a flight back from Dubai last year. This
woman reclined right into my meal. Arrogant and yeah that
started some serious arjibarji. I thought I was going to

(02:19):
end up on TikTok with the dispute with him out
she was yelling at me.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I'm looking forward to that story. But there's a discussion
after three o'clock, after two o'clock, pulling a sicky in
the workplace when you're not actually that sick. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
So you know you're allowed ten ten days a year.
Do you see that as your right to take those
ten even if you're not sick?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Ten days?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Do you take hungover sick days? Do you take mental
health days? And is it better to just if you're
not feeling well around in mental health day? Is it
better to go into work and do something productive then
stew in your own juices? But yeah, I think a
lot of people take those ten days as part of
their part of their allocated holidays.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, which is it? You know when it caps out
at twenty days, that's a whole month off. That's a
massive course to the business.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, I mean I don't think of it. Well,
I don't really take sick days. I haven't really even
I don't really get sicked that often. But also I
love my job, which is a very different thing exactly.
And plus live radio, I mean we're in a slightly
different situation. It's quite obvious when one of us isn't here.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I can guarantee you I've got my full
twenty days ready to go, just because I don't take
sick days. Yeah, and that will stay at twenty days
and I'll never take them.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you will never take them.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, maybe maybe I spoke too soon there, Yeah I might.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I don't know. I'm kind of poison into your house
to try and taste there.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
That is after two o'clock though, because right now this
is a big story. Uf Israel Adisanya. He's throwing his
support behind the bill to criminalize coward punches. Here's a
little bit of what he had to saund So.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
This Israel your hair and even though I'm fighting on
the other side of the globe, are following brothers and
file Vak are never far from my thoughts. So this
bill has now been brought up in Parliament when it
comes to the coward punch, and yes it's a cowardly act.
I need you guys, it's really rally up and support

(04:18):
this bill. We need to make the punishment fit the
crime when it comes to the coward punch.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
So these guys can get off.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
In six months after committing a heinous crime that can
kill someone. Yeah, let's eliminate this from our culture.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's eliminate this from.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Our streets, because this is not us. So please, when
this bill comes up, make sure you rally up and
support this bill.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
So that was UFC Star Israel at Assaigna. Of course.
Now the bill has been introduced to Parliament and the
MP that introduced it is National's Newland MP Paulo Garcia,
who joins us now, good afternoon, Paulo.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Hello, Tyler and man, how.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Are you today?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
And why does this need to be a specific a
specific criminal offense the coward punch?

Speaker 5 (05:08):
You know, everything in the Crimes Act that has to
do with hurting someone requires the proof of intent. And
in the situation where someone it's someone you know with
a strong strike and you know, wanting to put him

(05:31):
down or at the spur of a moment of the moment,
then finding intent and proving intent is a difficult thing.
So because of it's you know, it's happening a lot now,
it's been happening over the past ten years or more,
and things like what Israel was saying, we need to

(05:56):
put us up to it.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
It was introduced a similar bill to yours Paulo, introduced
by former National MP Met King. I believe about three
or four years ago. It didn't pass at that time.
Have you got four confidence it is going to pass
this time? And if you do, why do you think
it's different?

Speaker 5 (06:14):
You know that's correct. Matt King was the first National
MP who put this out. It's being passed on to
other MPs, and and when it was picked it was
in my name already. I think that the issues race
in the time in the first reading during Matt's time,

(06:34):
we're we're we're aware of them, and we've simplified the
bill as well. So I am hoping that more people,
more more MPs will accross the House actually see see

(06:55):
to getting this through.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Do you think that people would think before they act
in this way if this becomes a specific criminal offense, Well,
do you think people that do these kind of horribly
horrible cow the acts are in a state of rage
or intoxication. Do you think that actually go, well, this
is a specific criminal offense, so I'm not going to
commit this horrific act.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yes, you know, it won't stop everyone for sure, because
people you know, as you said, get intoxicated and or
they're they're they're acting in the in the moment and
won't be thinking straight. But the awareness of it and
the clarity of of the results. Should they have done

(07:45):
something like that that fits into the bill, into what
we hope will be legislation, the simplicity of getting to
them I think would be a major deterance.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Now, the last time this was brought up, Labor did
not support the bill because they believe that legislation and
that we have the judges to make the call and
these serious can hit a soult. So do you don't
believe that the judges are making those calls?

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I think that many times it's difficult to make the
call because if you're having to prove intent. Again, it's
not something that is readily you know, are supported by
evidence or accounts or CCTV or whatever. So I think

(08:36):
we want to give the judges a clear pathway to
consider this new legislation and use that in the those circumstances.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
So how is support looking for it? Do you think
it will get through this time?

Speaker 5 (08:53):
I know that the National Party Caucus supports it. I
am hoping that New Zealand First will come on board
as well. This was mentioned in the coalition agreement. Also
hoping that our coal is in the party and actually
across the floor. I appeal to all MPs to consider

(09:19):
and and see yes do it.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Parlo, thank you very much for your time. Really good
to chat with you, and all the best for the bill.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Hey, thanks so much, guys, I'm a fan being here.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Thank you, Thank you very much. That is National's new
len MP Parlow Garcia who's trying to push this bill
through on the coward Punch legislation. But what do you say?
I went hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of call. Do you think there's any fishalks in this
particular legislation?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, I mean I think that they're one of the
greatest rebrandings of all time is rebranding the King Hit
to the coward Punch. I think there was a fantastic
move and I hope that that's out there that you know,
anyone that that does this cowardly act gets shamed by
the people around them. But it does seem like a
very specifically dangerous thing to do, compared to hitting someone

(10:12):
front on or attacking someone front on. I mean, all
assaults are are terrible. What most assaults are terrible? But
just punching someone, running up to someone while they're on
the street and punching them from behind is just so
incredibly cowardly and dangerous. And you know, we've seen a
lot of people lose their lives in this country around it.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Absolutely if you've been in a situation where you've seen
a coward punch or you've had one throw on it,
you love to hear from you as well. I went
one hundred and eighty ten eighty and do you genuinely
think this will pot off primarily young men from throwing
these punches in the first place. Nine two ninety two
is the text number sixteen past one back very shortly
here on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
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Speaker 2 (11:03):
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Speaker 4 (11:06):
Good afternoon. We're talking about legislation going through Parliament now
on a cowards punch law, effectively adding to the legislation
that if someone was found guilty of throwing a coward's
punch or a king hit or a sucker punch, as
it's called in Australia, then the penalties would be far
stronger than they currently are. It's on the back of

(11:27):
the UFC star Israel Edisaanya. He's trying his support behind
the bill. This was after his training partner. You remember
this story while Favak he was killed after he was
punched in the head during an altercation in twenty twenty one.
Plenty of great taps coming through on nine two nine two,
But we'd love to hear from you on phone as well.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Rods, how are you

(11:50):
this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Hey madam Tyler? Good mate? Can you hear me?

Speaker 8 (11:54):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Gotcha a loud and clear You're good.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
You can hear you very well. Rod. What are your
thoughts on this?

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Fully support what the BMP that's trying to push through
the bill?

Speaker 9 (12:06):
I am.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
I love coaching mix martial arts myself for four ten
years professionally, and I've seen firsthand what the cold's punch
can do on the street. And I would have figted
one of my teammates file and victors, his family and
a figured out team and sorts of surcing that he's
taking a stand in Eugene and Israel and he's taking

(12:30):
a stand on it as well.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Hey, so right, obviously you know a lot about combat,
having four professionally for ten years. Do you what is
the difference in the danger level of the coward punch
as opposed to face to face fighting on the street.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
So I guess the main there's probably three things. The
main one would be you're not prepared to take a hit.
So if you have some standing face to face with
you and there's an altercation, at least we can separate, provide,
give us a bit more range. When you move forward

(13:07):
towards me, I can see that, so I can either
step away from you or engage and clench you up,
or I can mitigate any punch or any kick you
through by blocking it. Now, if I if I don't.

Speaker 10 (13:20):
See that coming from the side or from the back
as a colored punch is thrown, I can't. I can't
mitigate any of that and rendering me not helpless but defenseless.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
So and if I get hurt, and if I come
off balance, and then I unfortunately, if I get knocked
out and I hit the floor with my head, it's
highly likely of a concussion, serious concussion, and unfortunately we've
seen instances of death revolved.

Speaker 10 (13:49):
From that, so that that would be the main one,
just not not.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
Being able to PreTect yourself and knowing that.

Speaker 11 (13:55):
Punch is coming.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, because even if you haven't got combat experience or
training as you do, you're still if you can still
get your hands up and you can still prepare yourself
to hurt the ground, can't you? Even if you're just
someone like me that doesn't know anything about fighting, if
someone's going to hit me in the front on, at
least I can have the reaction time put my hands
up and protect myself even just a little.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
Bit exactly like that. I mean, the first line of
defense for anyone is distance, So it's your feet. So
if you can see someone walking towards you in a
threatening manner or trying to leap towards you attempting to
throw a punch, you just take a big step back,
big steps to the left or to the right, and
you can you can mitigate that without even throwing a

(14:38):
punch on putting your hands up. You know, the first
line of defences always was always range, you know, so
you can't do that if you don't see them. O.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, thank you so much for your call. Rod, thanks
for those insights.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, very interesting. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. I mean interesting that
Rob clearly had a bit to do with the MMA's
community here in New Zealand. It appeared he knew Eugene Beerman,
who's a trainer at the gym that trains the likes
of Israel Atasanya and faux Vake And looking at the
what happened to the person who did coward punch him

(15:12):
causing his death, Daniel Heveli. He was charged with manslaughter
in the end sentenced to just two years and six
months in prison, which is a slap on the wrist
at the end of the day, isn't it two years
and six months for killing a man in the street
by punching him in the back of the head.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, it doesn't seem right, doesn't No, it doesn't pass
the sniff test of what's fear in society when you've
taken someone's life out.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
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Speaker 4 (17:30):
Twenty seven past one.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So we're talking about the coward punch becoming a specific
criminal offense. There's a new bill being taken to Parliament
soon by National's Newland MP Paula Garcia and d D
joins us.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
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(18:15):
said to the Tanzanians, where are the police? Well, we
don't really need them. And I went off to a
night club with some MASSI and when we came out
at two o'clock in the morning, there was no one
lying drunk. There was no one being threatened or threatening

(18:37):
anybody else. And they just have respect for themselves and
for other people. I'm an international aid worker and I
cannot believe the amount of violence that we're seeing in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
What do you put that down to? What do you
think that we're more violent than other countries in your observation?

Speaker 13 (18:58):
Well, I think I've thought about this. I think it's
the upbringing. You know, you are what you see because
it's normal.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Eye just think it is well, for lack of a
better word, we we love a drink in New Zealand,
and a lot of people say there's nothing wrong with that,
including me, But young men in particular, if they go
out in the town and they have a skin fuel
and then something happens that just sets them off and
they get that red mist that that is behind a
bit of this. It's it's pride.

Speaker 7 (19:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Young men traditionally have a bit of testosterone roaring when
they're in the early twenties and have a skinful.

Speaker 13 (19:35):
Young women are getting it because you see women fighting, yes,
and when you see the men that fighting.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Over yeah, it's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
For your call.

Speaker 13 (19:54):
Dd Okay, thank.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
You so much for your you call there, Sorr. Yeah,
I'm just having trouble, a little technical difficulty here.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Some great
texts coming through guys. Not that it's the way, but
if you're going to fight, fight from the front. Coward
punch should be on par to murder.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, I'm going back to what you were saying before
about some young men when they drink become violent. I mean,
I can't believe that people that.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Drink and become violent would drink again.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Because you know what we do is we change laws
because some people behave poorly when they drink.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
But I never get violent when I drink. I never have.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
You're a lover fighter, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And so, but some people do.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
And so if you've got drunk and you find out
that that makes you angry, then that's on you to
stop freaking drinking.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
I've had friends like that and for whatever reason, it
was in their DNA when they got on the juice,
they got really really angry and did some stupid stuff
and tried to fight other friend members. And it was
quickly became a parent that, hey, if you're around the party,
you're not drinking. If you want to drink, you're not
coming around here, mate, because you want to fight everybody.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's a terrible thing.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
It certainly is. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
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Speaker 4 (22:43):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about
the introduction of a bill to legislate the act of
a coward punch, basically making it an added crime under
the Crimes Act. This is on the back of the
UFC star israel Edisanya. He's throwing his support behind the
bill after, of course, one of his training partners, faux Vake,

(23:04):
was killed after he was punched in the head with
a coward punch during an old in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
So E one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two is the text number. My son was attacked
on a bus in Auckland yesterday. He was going home
from work. Some guy behind him hit him hard in
the head. Spent the night in hospital with no prior interaction.
See that's that's harresonent that that needs something bad needs
to happen to that just by the very act of
doing that.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, that's as cowardly as you can get, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Both male and females are violent. Look at the groups
attacking people for whatever reason. In a group, people of
both genders show off. The media tend to label all
men is violent, Hence the focus influences how men believe
they should act.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Well. This legislation would still catch females. If they have
a coward punch and someone gets very badly injured, they'd
still be picked up. This one says, I find a
level of hypocrisy that a UFC fighter is concerned over
a coward punch law when his sport allows the senseless
beating of another fighter who's not able to defend himself.

(24:05):
Into the refsteps in from Craig No.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I mean, you're going into it. That's a that is
not even comparable. You're both signing up to go into
that run, training for the event.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's the focus of your life.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
You face off against that person and in a very
very organized fashion. In fact, there's been no serious reason
in the UFC, not like there is in boxing. So
I think that's that. I think that's unfair. I think
it's a totally different situation then running up behind someone
on the street that has no knowledge of what you're
up to and punching you in the back of the
back of the head.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
There's no reef and that scenario saying hey, that's a penalty,
you can't punch him in the back of the head.
It's just completely different. H Adam, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (24:44):
Hello boy, listening to you every day because I'm stuck
in my van.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
That is that a complimental have we got you on
Stockholm sitation.

Speaker 15 (24:55):
On talk radio? So it's to listen to you. Something
interesting going on.

Speaker 16 (24:59):
You you're a good man, Adam, Listen, it's really interesting.

Speaker 15 (25:04):
That's about time that legislation is passed, or at least
you've been looked at seriously about the king as was
used to be called. It's always been, always been a
cowardly at It doesn't matter where you come from. I
grew up in South Africa and I've been in the
last fourteen years, but the social scene in South Africa

(25:26):
is a lot different and culturally. If you do that,
if you could punch someone from the back and anyone
in public see you, you'll be absolutely mobs bid the
locals and you will end up in icyu with pipes
of each still opening. You've cut in your body. That's
a difference. People don't get involved. So if if this

(25:48):
would have happened anywhere in South Africa, you definitely will
end up much worse off than the person that you've punched.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
So is that is that some sort of unwritten code
of conduct?

Speaker 15 (26:00):
Yes? Absolutely, If you go on. Even if that person
was wrong and you punch it from behind people that
wasn't even involved or get in, then you will get
mob people that can fight, and the average person in
Africa can really present or dish other really good knockdown
but face on all of us though, or most of

(26:21):
the time mind out of experience, from a mind I've
been around the world. Usually if I start over a
woman or it's usually the good looking mind. But it
never ends, it never ends well. But in so Africa
the law is so strict. If you it doesn't matter
if you even try to protect yourself and that person

(26:43):
dies eventually or has a serious injury, it's either murder
or it's attempted murder. It's serious, serious charges that it
needs to be needs to be serious. In New Zealand
as well, it's nothing different with the behavior. It's always
towdly if someone doesn't see you. There is a test
that we do in fighting. I've got a fighting background

(27:03):
many many years ago, but there's a test. You can
just blindfold yourself in studio and just take any object.
Each of you take an object and take take take turns,
and just whenever the other person not cooking anyone over
the head just for not expecting that that that that
that blow already you've you've got such a back back,

(27:27):
you own your back foot. And then also king hit
always if you take your thumb a breath, radish can
beyond your ear or on your temples. The soft parts,
that's where the king hat or the card clutch usually
a land and that's that's what that's what makes it
so dangerous. It's a really really sensitive part of your head.

(27:47):
Saying that the trigger is now wearing extra protection on
their necks and back of the heads for that ball
that they that you're dug for exactly the same reason.
So soft parts.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, so so Adam, you've you've been fourteen years in
New Zealand. Do you think, as a previous caller said
that New Zealand comes across to you, it appears to
you to be a quite a violent place out on
the streets in a.

Speaker 15 (28:15):
Sense, yes, but it's it's it's accepted by a lot
of people and in a lot of community and a
lot of communities you have to show how tough you are.
And it's generally my experience, I can fight, but more
more your age, but rather not get in a fight,
but I can't perfect myself. And usually you get a

(28:36):
bigger fighting from the guy you don't expect it from.
It's not always. It's never someone bigger it gives you hiding.
It's always someone that's either your own side or smaller
that gives you hiding. It's never the big guys. The
big guys are the easy part. Easy part. That's what
you and I think is this overall end of feeling
people have to tough. I want to run up to

(28:57):
you and give you the bossing high look that's not
intimidating to me at all. Is actually really laughable. But
it is a very diferent environment. If you go out,
you need to have your words about You have a
really good looking wife. If I take out in public,
I always attract the wrong attention. If another from some
old dude that's halfway. You know, you can see that

(29:18):
these obviously he wants to see or watch me, steer
me at her, you know, and it is intimating me.
Get to other community where you get guys that get
in the fight next to us on the weekend, just
some some some football games and the one guy was
definitely more capable than another guy. And if you know,

(29:39):
people don't just don't want to get involved, just don't
get involved.

Speaker 17 (29:44):
We just looked the other way.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well, thank you so much for you call Adam. Cheers
for sharing that with us. Yeah, I mean, it's an
interesting idea that if you were in a if you're
in a social group and one of the members of
your group smack someone on the back of the head
from behind, then I would hope that every social group
would ostracize that person. You know, because not every coward
punch obviously ends in someone being hospitalized or or got

(30:08):
but killed. But if you ever saw that and just
out of pure luck it doesn't do some serious damage
to the person, I would certainly hope you would call
that person a coward yea, And in any way you
can shame that person for that. That's why I love
the change of the name to it from a king
hit to a coward punch.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's good. It's just a cowardly way to behave absolutely. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's eighteen to two. Beg fory shortly here on news
talks 'd.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Be come and chat with the lads on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volbo
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Speaker 2 (30:43):
News talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So we're talking about a bill to make the coward
punch a specific criminal offense. And look, we haven't had
anyone that disagrees with the idea here coming through. I mean,
the Labour Party disagrees with it. The Labor Party thinks
that they believe that we have the legislation and the
judges to make the call in these serious king hit assaults.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Doesn't seem to be happening though, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I mean, there's so many examples that we've just got
here of people getting what seems to be very very
lenient sentences for what is such an such an incredibly
dangerous thing to do to someone. You were taking someone's
life into your hands if you do that.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
And someone from behind just quickly. One of those examples
is Faux Varke. This is why Israel Design is standing
up and throwing his support behind this bull. So Faux Varke,
as many would remember, was killed after he was coward
punched in the head during an altercation in twenty twenty one.
The guy who punched him. Daniel Heverli got sentenced to
two years six months, which is crazy for killing someone.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, our son was out with friends in a pub
slash cafe. A guy took exception to what they were saying.
One of the friends went outside, so this coward got
up and side punched my son, who went down like
a lead balloon. Ended up concussed and unwell for weeks,
but had to carry on working. Having got him out
of the way, he went on to do the same
to the friend outside, who went down on the concrete too.

(32:06):
He ended up an intensive care for ten days, could
no longer retain his job due to brain injuries. This
was the young family. This was the young family to
provide for. He's still having the problems due to the injury,
but has now been working again, all on camera. The
guy was prosecuted had done similar things before, but once
again a slap on the wrist and ready again for
the next victim. Affected the lives of two hard working

(32:28):
families for a substantial amount of time. Could have been
facing a murder charge. But I really don't think these
people stopped to think of the consequences or have any
consideration of how lives can be so affected.

Speaker 18 (32:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, I mean so you didn't kill that either of
those people then, but you could have.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, got to take them out of circulation, those cowards. Absolutely,
that's horrendous. Troy. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (32:50):
Good gentlemen?

Speaker 18 (32:51):
Yourself?

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Very good? So you presented a petition to Parliament about
this very legislation. What four years ago?

Speaker 19 (32:59):
Oh yeah, a bit longer ago now, Actually I get
my timing a bit wrong as I'm getting older, but
I think it was a situation in Chris of usage
was by a coward punch or a sucker punch in
twenty eighteen was killed and twenty two year old that
did it? You talk about two years and six months.

(33:21):
This guy got ten months hold attention and four hundred
hours community service.

Speaker 11 (33:28):
Wow, but taking your life?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Was there any reason given for that light sentence? So
how was that explained by the judge?

Speaker 17 (33:38):
And this is where I.

Speaker 19 (33:39):
This is why I really disagree with the comments by
the Labor Party and PS by saying that that the
judges had the option of being able to put a
hard ascendance already the judge used their ability for the
young person that did this, they believed he had at
a future had good finance support around him to be

(34:00):
able to make a difference in society as he got older. Now,
that doesn't take back the life of the person that.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Was killed by by a coward punch.

Speaker 19 (34:09):
And this is why I fully support Polo Garcia with
this Private Members. Also, when I presented, I actually presented
to Mark Mitchell, who obvious is now the policemanist as well,
so I know Mark is one hundred support of this
as well. I just hope this gets cross party support
because it's needed.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, it comes sorry to jump in there. It comes
back to the starting point for a judge, does it, Troy.
So in that case that you mentioned there, the starting
point was quite low. So then with the discounts they
gave and the fact that they thought this guy had
a future in whatever means meant it was a slap
on the rest. Whereas if the starting point was, for example,

(34:52):
ten years in prison for killing someone with a coward punch,
then you know that if someone commits one of these acts,
they are going to do some serious prison.

Speaker 19 (35:01):
On absolutely. I remember when I started a position, I
didn't actually know the family at all. I didn't know Chris,
but I was just so absolutely shocked at the situation.
I had a lot of his family called me and
they were so thankful. Even when I went down to Parliament,
they were calling me and say thank you. It wasn't
It wasn't for any other reason that I just imagine

(35:21):
people that it could be in the same situation and
that coward punt for that sucker punch, as Israel says,
you know, it's just not right and it needs for
the address and it needs to be. As you said, Tyler,
we need to start with the the sentencing at a
high level. So if account is given for remorse, and
it's given for age, and it's given for background, it

(35:41):
still means that this person should go to jail when
they're actually killing somebody.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Now Troy, in the name of fenness.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Obviously, if someone's done that, the balance, you know, the
retribution and the punishment for that crime, you know, needs
to be you know needs to the punishment needs to
fit the crime, is what I'm trying to say. But
do you think that in the heat of the moment
on the streets this legislation would stop someone performing this
cow act? Do you think it would get through to

(36:10):
someone in a rage to go I shouldn't I shouldn't
do this.

Speaker 19 (36:15):
Look, I don't know, because it may not, But is
that the only reason not to have this? You know,
this surely has to be a punishment for a heenus
crime like this. In reality, if it gets through to
one younger person as they're growing up, that they realize
and they see their mates and say, guys don't do this,

(36:35):
and actually tries to get through when somebody's not trynk
when they're young and they see this and they see
this whole situation. That's what I'm hoping for, that that
the terrent will be there, not necessarily for that person
on the spot there, but as other people realize this
is what happens. That's when you had the urre and
kicked in law.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, I see.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's saying that it sort of permeates through society that
this is a really evil and dangerous thing to do.
And so you just know that even in your rage state,
you know down that you are you are taking this
to a to a a large level, because there's probably
some of these guys that do this and girls that
do this that that I don't think they're going to

(37:17):
be the hero at that point because I've seen an opportunity.
They think they're going to take this person down. They
don't understand that they are actually going to be shamed
by their act, that their act is a shameful act.
So if that permeates through society, then I think they'll
be a very good thing. And that's why I love
that people call it the coward poch shameful.

Speaker 17 (37:34):
Yeah, it's a shameful.

Speaker 19 (37:35):
That's what you need to really emphasize.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, thanks so much for you call Troy. I appreciate it,
and get on you for starting that petition.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We're talking about the coward Punch Bill
going through Parliament to make coward punches a specific offense.
Do you agree? Nine two ninety two is the text number?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Do you disagree?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Because we haven't had a single person that's disagreed except
for one Labor Party MP when the bill came through
last time.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Well the whole Labour Party voted against it. In the
Green Party.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, so there's some people disagree with it, but we
haven't seen a single text or a single had a
single phone that thinks.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
It's not a good idea. To make it a specific
criminal offense.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
If that's you, let us know, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It's seven to two.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
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eighty ten eighty Matten Tayler afternoons with the Volvo XC
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Speaker 4 (38:31):
NB it is five to two.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
So yeah, we've been talking about making the coward punch
a specific criminal offense. It's a bill that's being introduced
by new Len MP Paulo Garcia, and it has previously
been introduced in the past and been knocked back by
Labor and the Greens. And look, we've been talking about
this for an hour and we've had hundreds and hundreds

(38:58):
of texts and a lot of phone calls, and there's
only been one text that disagrees, and that just comes through.
Now one hundred percent disagree. This won't make a rats
difference to people considering a king had tried to call
but could not get through. Yeah, it might not make
a rats difference. I think it well. I think you
can change. I think you can change the way people

(39:19):
view things as they'd are saying, they said, let's eliminate
this from our culture because this is not us. But
also there has to be consequences for your actions death
just for the sake of the victims have to be
able to go, well, I lost this person, and there
is some consequence to the person that did it.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
And when they introduced it in Australia and King's Cross,
the incidence of coward punches or sucker punches as they
call it, did go down over time. So it did
work in Australia. You'd hope it work here as well.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
So thank you so much for your texts and calls.
And we've got another topic coming up next hour.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Vers is dead to your heart, isn't it? Matt? People
pulling the old SICKI at work? Is it okay? If
you're not actually sick?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
No week week?

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Let's get into it. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you're an employer, when was the time you caught
out one of your employees pulling an old sicky because
they had a massive night the night before or another reason.
Love to hear from U nine two nine tours the
text news on the.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Way your new home for insateful and entertaining Talk. It's
Maddie and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo XC Nighty
on News Talk.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
SEV new Talk. They'd be good after noon, Welcome into Tuesday,
a short week for most of us, white tonguey day
on Thursday. But feeling good.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
You're feeling good.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
I am feeling good.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So you're not going to try and throw a sicky
on Friday?

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Not today? Oh right, on Friday. No, If I'm going
to take the day off, that would be annual leave.
I'd be upfront with my employer and saying I am
going to enjoy an extended weekend. Like a lot of
keywei's out there, I certainly wouldn't take a sicky though well.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
New Zealand staff sick days hit a record high in
twenty twenty three. According to a Southern Cross Health Insurance
and Business New Zealand study, most workers by Laura and
titled to ten days sickly ver year to care for themselves, partners, children,
or other dependents. But are you owed those ten days
even if you're not sick?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Sick? Because I feel like a lot.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Of New Zealanders think that that ten days as just
part of their holidays as well. And look, there's people
that are probably legitimately sick ten days a year undercent.
But if you look back through the records and someone
always has a sick day, suddenly, look they seem to
be sick on a lot of Mondays after big weekends,
or you know there's white tongue down on Thursday and
somehow Friday they just seem to have got a bit

(41:39):
of a sniffle and couldn't come in. And then you
see them on Facebook having a great time, Well that.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Would be terrible. You see them on social media kicking
back at the beach.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
On Instagram, yes, and you're like, what's going on here?

Speaker 4 (41:51):
That's a formal warning, surely, But I mean that's a
big thing. Is I think you're quite right. A lot
of employees would see that sick leave. Say they get
to I don't know, October, and they've got their ten
days sick leaf sitting there, and they can probably see
on their pacelip that they are entitled to so many hours.
What's that that's two weeks, So they're entitled to eighty
hours sick leave. I'd be looking at and say, oh,

(42:12):
that looks pretty good. Maybe I'm feeling a few sniffles
coming on, just to add to my four weeks and
you'll leave.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well, you see the hes A text that's just come
through in nineteen nine two, Hey, guys, I'm considering pulling
a SICKI on Monday because I have Super Bowl fever.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Cough coughe not sounding too good.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I tried that.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
I got hold of our boss well, and I said,
can I get Monday off to watch the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
And he said, well no, And that was fair enough.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
But a less honest person I would start running a
bit of a sniffle around now and then suddenly I'm
not here on Monday, and then this whole lot of
pictures me with a hot dog stuff to my mouth
down at a bar, at the full time Bar, enjoying myself.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Well, that's a good point you raised that, because have
I ever pulled a SICKI in my life? Yeah, at school,
I probably pulled a SICKI, But in my working life,
I don't think I've ever pulled a SICKI when I
wasn't genuinely sick. I just felt that that was a
slap in the face to my employer. But also if
I ever got caught out that to me would be
the worst. I'd be so incredibly embarrassed. I feel like
such a dirtbag to think, Yeah, I like to you,

(43:12):
I was not that sick. It's far easier just to
ask for an annual leave day and then you can
do whatever you want. You don't have to hide away
in your house for fear that someone from work is
going to see you kicking back.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
At the beach.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, okay, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you
entitled to ten sick days a year even if you're not?
And what do you think about mental health days where
you just say, because I hear this a lot, I
might just take a mental health day tomorrow because I'm
feeling this way.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Should we celebrate in New Zealand, what's the word just.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Standing up and going to work and being strong and
being tough and keeping going, rather than celebrating taking time off.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I think there's a fair argument that we took it
too far in the other direction, because that was always
well for a lot of workers. It was kind of
the dune thing, right that if you had a bit
of a sniffle, or you found yourself a little bit
under the weather, but you were good enough to go
to work. Then it was okay to turn up to
work to do your job. But over the last few
years it's kind of gone yeah, way in the other

(44:11):
direction that do not turn up to work with your crop.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I have zero tolerance and my kids taking days off
school and they never try it on. And my parents
were the same with me. If I ever said I
was sick, they'd like, go to school, shut up.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Never.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
There was zero tolerance, absolute zero tolerance. And I brought
that to my kids. And you know, during just the
end of recent stuff where you'd be called into school
and you had to take your kid home because they
had a slight stomach, they complained at all about their
stomach or even one sniffle and they were sent home.
And I picked up my son a couple of times
from the sick bay and he was so furious.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Is I shouldn't have mentioned anything.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
The teacher heard me sniffle, and I've got to go home,
and meanwhile I've got to go to work to come
pick him up.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I think we.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Should tend towards you always go, and it's very rare
that you don't, and that you show yourself to be
a strong and powerful new Zealander that's.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Doing their bit, like going to work. That was my
old man's standing.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Tall. I like that. There's passionate, there's a lot of
motivation behind what you just said. There was the old
man's strategy. Whenever I try to pull a siki at school,
it'd be like, yeah, okay, if you're sick though, no, Tally,
don't you even think about playing the xbox. You're in bed,
you're sleeping. If you do any sort of entertainment aspects,
then you're well enough to go to school.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
The Wi Fi has to be after there's no iPad.
That's one hundred percent. You're in bed being very sick
all day, young man.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Right, let's get into that. Eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two nine
two is the text number. It is twelve past two.
Back very shortly. Here on News Talks edb Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
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Speaker 2 (45:48):
Call oh, eight hundred eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
News Talk said, be good afternoon. We're talking about sickly
even New Zealand. So New Zealand staff six days had
a record high in twenty twenty three. That's according to
a Southern Cross Health Insurance and Business en z study.
Are we taking sickies far too often in New Zealand?
And if you've court one of your employees taken sicky
when they went sick, love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Yeah. Social media is great for writing people out on
fake sick days.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Just quickly before we go to the calls. Have you
ever called out one of your colleagues for taking us
SICKI when they weren't sick.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I was involved as I worked as a television producer
for a very long time, as you know, and there
was one person that was billing me when stupidly didn't
know that I was following his wife on social media.
So the day he's billing there is pictures of him
on a boat fishing.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Amateur and much and you called him out. You said, Hey,
some solid work you're doing there on the boat. Well
that snapper.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Look, let's just say that that he wasn't employed again.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Fellow, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (46:57):
Good?

Speaker 17 (46:58):
Follows? Are you? Yeah?

Speaker 20 (46:59):
Good?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
What's your take on the sick leave?

Speaker 17 (47:01):
Oh man? And a lot of the companies I've worked
for I've caught them frequent players and it's been it's
been an ongoing issue for both of the companies that
I've worked for, And yeah, it's been. I noticed it's
a lot of that's a lot of the younger generation

(47:22):
that are taking these sick days, you know, and I
just think that they don't have the responsibility in terms
of not wanting to turn up to work. But yeah,
like how you said you have as stuff will actually
caught people an act of pulling, taking taking the pussy,
you know. And I've had a couple at my first

(47:43):
job that I ever took wre was she she showed
up to work one day and I was just like,
how's and she'll be like, oh, it's pretty good. And
then I'll be I was like, oh, it's quite funny
because he run me saying it was like second he
was doing this and doing that, and she kind of
looked at me sideways, you know. And then you'd come
to work the next day and you apply for sick leave,

(48:05):
and then I'll just tell them, you know, just like
I spoke of your partner and she said, you're, oh goody,
And then he'll just look at me and just go yeah,
just hangover, you know, just and like you said, well,
I just said, just be honest, you know, and that's
all I asked for, you know, rather you just tell
me the truth and you're hungover, because obviously it's a

(48:27):
health and safety risk of letting them come to work
where they know they hungover. So I'll be like sweet
or good, just don't let it happen again, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
And yeah, so if someone but if someone takes a
sick day because they hungover, that that can't be one
of the teen days you can't, you can.

Speaker 17 (48:44):
That will will rank that as leave without pain.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, it has to be right.

Speaker 17 (48:49):
Yeah, definitely, And it would just be just an on conversation.
And I'll ask me how come I don't qualify for
sickly And I said, look that you're not sick, that's
self inflicted. And what makes it worse? You you like
about it? You know, like I could potentially take this
situation further, but I'd rather just resolve at hill, but.

Speaker 21 (49:08):
I'd know that down.

Speaker 17 (49:09):
I'll put it in your foels. So if it does
happen again, then we'll have to take that next step
to hr and and and I'll always be honest and
upfront with them. I'd just be like, look, you guys
put me in a situation. You know. I didn't like
doing this kind of disciplinary with you guys. By you
you do it to yourself, you know. Yeah, but it

(49:30):
was funny, like the most recent one I had at
my company that I met now sorry, the young girl
ringing up saying she had the ultimate headaches? I kidding?

Speaker 18 (49:38):
Ay?

Speaker 17 (49:38):
Is that that? That's fine?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
You know?

Speaker 17 (49:40):
And then me and my son ended up shooting up
for lunch. And then I was just sitting there in
the food court sitting went and then who do I
see this? Young girls just walked fast and I was
like hey, and I said to my son, I said, son,
go run over to the young girl did and introduce
herself and runs in and goes, hi, my name is
and she's like looking around and then she's spot me.
I just give it a big wave and then just

(50:03):
stole over it and I was just like, how's the headache?
Then just like looked at me and just went pale,
you know, And I just said, I will just leave it,
you know, enjoy your day off, but I'll see you
on Monday. She's like, I came in see this and
then she just fucked up on Monday. But with her
like I gave her a little of expectation. I said,

(50:24):
look like for me personally, I've come I was young,
you know, like, so I have built sickly And they're like,
don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect. But then that's
what I tell them. I said, Look, I I just
want you to be honest, you know. And that's all
it is, you know, to me, honestly as well as
worth a million dollars in mice, you know, I feel honest.

(50:47):
I'm more than happy to give you that day off,
but I'll be leave. What's up?

Speaker 18 (50:50):
Pay?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Now what do you make? So in your work you
can't work if you're hungover? Is that right? If it?

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Is?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
There a dangerousue if you work when you hungover.

Speaker 17 (51:01):
There's a potential eyes you know, like everyone's still under
the influence within twelve to twenty four hours. So working
heavy machinery, you don't really want to take that risk.
So you try and eliminate all these risk factors out
of the situation, and you kind of it's not only
keeping themselves safe, you're keeping others around them safe. And
and that's the main goal for each person or each

(51:23):
super as a last manager, you want to just get
each individual home or home the way they walked into
the building, you know, and for me especially, that's one
of my main factors.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
In appreciate that.

Speaker 17 (51:36):
But you know, you know, one of the things goes
I noticed was how you follow said that everyone in
New Zealand gets ten sick days, and that falls under
the window of when you have to care for your spouse.
You're dependent at my company that I'm at now, so
you get ten days sickly for yourself and you get
five days domestic live to look after a dependent your wife,

(51:59):
your grandmother or your mother.

Speaker 16 (52:01):
On top of them, on top of the tead, so
we get three weeks.

Speaker 17 (52:05):
Wow, that's real generous man. And a lot of the
guys what I said, we call them frequent fires all.
They all seem to have five kids.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
They make that generosity exactly fifteen days, exactly fifteen days
a year.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Paul, Philip.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Appreciate that, mate, Philip, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah. So, because because there's jobs.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Where you can't work with you you're hungover, right, and
then of course you've got.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
To be honest in that situation.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Just ringing up and saying I'm sack and you know
you're gonna get caught out.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
But I've got the saying that I've always said to
my son because he works. I said, if you go
out with the boys, This is the same that was
told to me when I was a kid. If you
go at the boys, you got to get up with
the men. If you're willing to go out with the
boys at that that night, then you have to do
the hard part of that, which is getting up and
working a full day and putting in a proper day afterwards.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
If you go out the boys, you've got to get
up with the mint. All right, Jay, there you go.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Do you think the employers, because I've seen some people
turn up hungover to the job and they are just absolute.
They're useless, They fall asleep at their desk, they whine
the whole day. If from an employer and someone turns
up like that, it's just go home. Just what do
you see you're doing?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
What about this text here? Tyler? Being hungover? Can you
flick on that please?

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Being hungover is a legit sick day. There was a
court case over it a few years ago. What's the
difference between drinking too much or just banging your head
against the brick wall. Well, I don't think you should
get a day off if you stay up late at
night banging your head against.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
The brick wall, either, questions.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
That's just about it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
That seems like a you problem.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
I like this text yiday, guys. Our company pays employees
one hundred dollars for every sick day they don't take,
so at Christmas they can receive a one thousand dollar bonus.
That's not bad, is it. How do you feel about
so your employer says, if you don't use all of
your secular leave per year, we'll pay you one hundred
bucks for every day you don't use.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, but we've got hysterical about that.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I believe in heard immunity, So I think that if
you want people to bring their sicknesses in so I
can get it and I can become a more powerful
person by catching their sickness.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
So yeah, I would support.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
That, noticed noted. Yeah, see, I'll pack a couple of weekends.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I'll be bringing everything like and our tenure together on
the show. I'm going to bring you.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
This is going to be a petri dish of a
room here with the diseases I.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Bring in already is twenty three pasts too, Begbary shortly.
OH one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
On News Talk ZB news Talks B twenty five past two.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
We're talking about six days because New Zealand's staff sick
days had a record high in twenty twenty three. Most workers,
by Laura, entitled to ten sick days, and a lot
of people seem to take them. I don't think many
could beat cousin Jacko. It's the late nineteen nineties. He
pulled a sicky on Friday and guess who's drunken face
was seen on the six o'clock news.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
At the big day out on.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Jacko was unemployed by Monday morning, and three days later
Jacket flew out to Perth to live with his uncle,
who served twenty years in the army. Jacko now runs
his own truck company. Forever grateful to our Nan Jade
who flew him out to flew him out to Perth anyway.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Get a week down for cousin JACKO and the great story.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
It was actually great for cousin Jack.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten and his number to
call Elijah. How are you?

Speaker 20 (55:34):
Oh, Matt, good mate, yourself?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Very good? Thank you. You take a lot of sickies, No,
I got.

Speaker 20 (55:41):
I get ten ten days a week, ten days a year.

Speaker 17 (55:44):
It's sick leave.

Speaker 20 (55:45):
I've accumulated twenty never taken a sick leave day since
being on my employee for ten years. And basically every
payday or every fortnight we get three percent on top
of our wages.

Speaker 17 (55:58):
If we don't take sick leave.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Oh okay, that's generous.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
So when you say you don't take sick days, have
you been sick and gone to work anyway?

Speaker 20 (56:06):
Yeah, I'm you only if I wasn't pageous. But you know,
I just keep my sackage well when I really actually
need it, because you never know when you actually need it.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's that's a that's a
good point. You know, like you take your ten days
because you're going to music festivals and then you.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Actually actually get sick.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
So do you think your employee appreciates that and it
acknowledges that to you and you said that you're getting
a little sort of bonus for it. But do they
think that you're a better employee because you're you're always there?

Speaker 20 (56:35):
They don't, because it's not about promotion. It's I've just
been you know, going up, going up little steps every
year on job placements, you know what I need to do,
and just being promoted to supervisors. So yeah, it's really good.
You know, I think they appreciate it very much.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Well, what would you reckon about the idea, Elijah, of
making everybody's a sick leave? How much is I into
each and the individual employee transparent of the company, so
you can see who's got the most sick leave available,
who's taken the most? Do you think that would be useful,
you know, so you can see who the who the
team players are.

Speaker 20 (57:08):
Yeah, it would be It'll be good statistics. You know,
it'd be good for the employers to do that, and
you know, just get a fair idea of who, when
and why sickly has been taken and just to see
if there's a passion of you know, happening and what
they can do about it to minimize or prevent or
return people back to work, even acc you know.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Elijah.
I appreciate that this text is interesting.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
As a teacher, I regularly regularly It's not weird, is it.
As a teacher, I regularly take sick days. I regularly
take sick days to cope with the job. I can't
cope with my job. My job involved some modicum of
being able to ruinay mate, I think I need to
take aim into our day after that. As a teacher,

(57:53):
I regularly take sick days to cope with the job,
usually marking or less in preparation. My boss questioned at
once and said, if you can't hack it, then leave.
And they wonder why nobody wants to be a teacher, Well,
you can't be a teacher. That's taking faith. Are they
saying that they fake a sick day.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
To deal with the problem children? It's not sustainable.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
For one, I mean, you're just gonna be honest, like
you can't take a sick day. But I can't believe
that the teacher would say that, because I mean, what
are you showing. What's the lesson for the kids there?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah, and if that's the stress of the job causing
you to take these sickies when you're not technically sick
or is that stress?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Leave or yeah, I get out of the game, you know. Yeah,
I agree with your bossy.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
And the other thing with that is look, and don't
get me wrong, I think teachers do a fantastic job.
They work really hard, and I don't buy into that
whole teachers don't work long hours and don't you know
and have two big holies.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I don't buy into all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
But if you're a teacher and you don't turn up,
then that's a massive stress on someone else. You may
be dealing with your stress, but someone's got to replace you.
The kids get a different teacher for the day, there's
different lessons, there's someone's got to bring the substitute.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Someone else has got to cover for you.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Yeah, it's I mean, come on, you got to think
about other people when you do these things.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
I think for me, it all comes down to honesty.
And I know this is going to upset you. And
this is why I'm going to say it that even
for the mental health days, if something is going on
that is causing you a ment stress in your life,
to go to your boss and say, hey, I'm having
a bit of difficulty in my outside life at the moment.
Can I please have a couple of days to get
my head back in the game or whatever it may be, then,

(59:24):
as long as you're being honest, But.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah, I agree with you that there could be a
stress situation, but I think most mental health days are better.
It's better if you face if you go in and
be around people, as this text to see because I
said this before. Hey, guys, thank you for saying the
best thing to do when you're feeling a bit down
is to get out of the house and not have
a mental health day, get moving, interact with people. That's
I believe that generally, But I mean people can get

(59:49):
to stress to the point of burnout. And then maybe
you say that to your boss. The boss gives you
a day to rest or whatever, and that can be
one of your allocated sick days. But also you've got
to be careful going to your boss all the time
saying that you can't handle the channel, yeah, because they're
going to go Why would I promote someone who can't
handle the chene Yeah, but similar so maybe it's not
the boss that you go to on that one. And
always remember HR does not work for you. They work

(01:00:10):
with company as well. So you're going around saying that
you can't handle your job, then that's a risky thing
to get involved in.

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Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Thank you very much. Railan. We're talking about the number
of sickies that are New Zealand employees take off per year.
It's on the back of a study by Southern Cross
Health Insurance that's said in twenty twenty three the number
of six days on New Zealand workers took off had
a record high.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
And we had a text from a teacher saying that
that he or she often takes sick days fakes being
six so they can restarp and this it's a surprising
amount of support for that teachers get hit, spat on,
sworn at, abused, and the same kid is back in
the classroom the same afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Teachers just expected to put up with that abuse.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, that may be the case, but I think you've
got to fight that is your problem. You can't fight
that with lying to your employer. That just never seems
like the right way forward.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
And that was certainly my point. I think it was
our point. That's not sustainable to take her sicky because
the kids are problematic and you don't have the support
you need. Yeah, you know, it's a temporary measure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
You don't seem to be really facing the is she Hey, guys,
I pulled a SICKI to go to a week day
one one day cricket match in England versus New Zealand
at Karasbog and was on the scott News. Pissed off
my head shirtless and we're having a huge union Jack Spring,
big type cheers.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Jimmy had a head end. Did you keep your job
after that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Well he might have gotten away with it if he
hadn't taken this shit off, waved it around so he
was he attracted the attention of the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Camera, found the camera and started showing off yet love it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Okay, anyway, we're talking about sick days. Most people get
ten a year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Most workers by Laura and totaled to ten sick days
leave for the to care for themselves, partners, children, or
other dependents. But in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
A record number of sick days. We had a record
Phil afternoon to you.

Speaker 9 (01:03:43):
Okay, let's tat you on good good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
So, if I'm reading this right, one of your employees
almost cost your business by the amount of sickies he
was taking.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
Yeah, so I just it was a first time being
softened ployed. I just my wife and I a time
he had just cut out a fresh trial.

Speaker 17 (01:04:02):
So I was doing.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
I was working on my own I work in home
automation system so home sing and stuff like that, security
access control and stuff. You tend to work on high
end homes normally. With the job has like a project
manager that that runs all the Subcontractor's pretty hard and
you get told you've got to be here on the
state the house, the press them of it. Anyway, I
could have got my business to a port now where
I was struggling to sort of you know, just be

(01:04:25):
a one man band, and I took the leap with
employing a guy that i'd heard about through somebody else
in the area at the time as a young guy,
a boy racer, was keen on his cars and stuff
like that, and seemed like a really nice guy. This
is about ten years ago now, when the government still
had as I'm just reimposting, in the three month trial
period thing. So I took this guy on. I went

(01:04:48):
well with him. He went real well for the first
three months, like he was a good worker and he
was keen to learn, and and I thought it was
really good. But seemingly almost to the day they went
three months, he started calling him sick. You know, it
was on the odd day, and then through the two
weeks later be another day later, and then it would
be calling in on a month day. And then I

(01:05:10):
sort of, you know, of course, about two or three
months started identify hand, there's a pattern gun on here.
Every Thursday, sorry, every Friday or a Monday, I pretty
much count on not not having him coming in. So
we had a conversation about it about a few times,
and I sort of explained some them, look, mate, when
you don't come to work, it really impacts me. And
I don't have all this money here I'm doing I'm

(01:05:30):
doing quotes three hours in the evenings while I'm doing
the jobs on the weekend. And if I've got to
go back and work on you know, during the week
and then I've got to go back and work on
my own on the weekends as well. I said, I
don't get any time off. And not only that, I'm
missing my kid and I'm also it's going to make
me sick. So that's why I'm fortunate, mate, you know,
can I get some commitment to you you're actually dedicated
to this? And he was here like, yeah, the Worris

(01:05:52):
So you know, I was finding again for another couple
of weeks, and then we had this big job that
was coming up and I sort of said to him, look, mate,
we have to be here on Friday because because my
trades are finishing trade with some of the last ones
that get in. So if we if there's other trades
that are before, if that get held up whatever reason,
and then it really just sort of condensed us down
my time to finish the job. And so I sort

(01:06:13):
of said to him, look, we absolutely have to be there.
We can't not be there because the client's apparently moving
in on the Monday, the carpet is going to be
there in the morning and everything else, and it's all
sort of got to happen. So can I get some
commitment that you're actually not going to let you down
this Friday because it's really done on stuff as mate,
and it's the Yeah, there was, And then sure enough,
at three o'clock in the morning, I've found out. At
six in the morning, I get a text from his

(01:06:34):
mother apparently saying he was too ill and wasn't able
to come to earth right. So, needless to say, I
was absolutely spelling. I went to the site and just
by chance something else had happened there, so it actually
pushed us out by another four or five days.

Speaker 11 (01:06:49):
So I was lucky it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
Didn't sort of it didn't. We didn't need to be
there and actually couldn't be there on that day anyway,
did as much as I could, but he ended up
being a no thing. But being extremely know I knew
where he lived, and I drove past his place and
on the town. He was a fan of the young guys,
and there was a couple of cars on the driveway
as well, and I just sat there. I thought, still
I go in. I bug it, I'm going in because

(01:07:11):
I was still feeling so went in. The door was
sort of slightly jar, and I thought i'd sit down
the hallway, and I could hear guys laughing stuff. So
I just walked in and there's three guys sitting there
with the box of Boozeach flaying PlayStation and he was
sitting there with them, have a few beers that were
in the flock in the morning doing the same thing.
I was absolutely letter it, like I've probably said a
lot of stuff that would have come from my position

(01:07:32):
in court, but I didn't care at that point. Left
and then about two hours later, I get an abusive
phone call from his mother having to go at me
and threatened to take me to court and everything else,
and I said, basically, bring her on, bring it on.

Speaker 17 (01:07:47):
I was.

Speaker 9 (01:07:47):
I was still shaking. It's how furious and angry I was.
And had we not been able to deliver that job,
and it would have really wrecked my reputation in the
area at the time because I was just a young
guy getting going and I was starting to get some
big jobs. But that was quite a big one for us,
so there was a lot of a lot riding on
it reputation wise.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
So I mean, do you think about you think about
that situation there? Sorry, ask you sorry, I'll let you,
I'll let you finish story, broach up and there felt
it sound like we were getting to the to the
crux of it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
What did it all end up?

Speaker 11 (01:08:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
Ultimately, so he just didn't bother coming to work on
the Monday, and he didn't show up all week, and
I had a clause in his contract. I just spoke
to the advice Bureau of everything else. But luckily, you know,
they said to me and we all go back to
look at your contract with the generic one I since
I got them unemployment lawyer, and it has had had
an abandonment clause of five days. And the fact that
he didn't call in and he just didn't turn up
for five days meant I instantly he was fired right

(01:08:36):
away with with no reason given on my part. His
mother called me back on the on the Sunday and
said that they were sorry, and then he wanted to
come back and I said they he's not done with that,
and I explained the situations. Then they still treat to
take me the court. And I never heard a word
from them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Again, I'm getting involved that. I don't think that the
mum should be staying out of that and actually probably
having a go at her son along with you in
that big situation. But I mean, so it's one thing
to get yourself so drunk that you are literally vomiting
and can't go to work. You physically can't go to
work because you're you're and that's terrible and not great

(01:09:10):
and not a sick day. But maybe you're so incapacitated
that you can't actually be a productive member of work,
in which case you'd have to ring up and say
I'm sorry, I'm an absolute piece of crap. I hate myself,
but I can't come in honest. But this guy had
to be sitting there and just playing PlayStation with three mates.
The PlayStation will wait that that may look. I'm angry

(01:09:32):
for you on that one.

Speaker 17 (01:09:33):
Phil, Well, it put me off.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
Ever wanting to employ anybody again, you know. I mean
I kind of had dreams this will be the first
guy and then I'll go to the business and everything else.
And after that, I was so scared to even dive
into that again because the liability of taking somebody on
that seems great for three months and then they turn
into a lemon and it's an incredibly difficult possession to
be And as I mean, I was like twenty seven,
I think, give a take. You know, I didn't have

(01:09:56):
a great deal of money. So for me to actually
get rid of him legally within the bounds of the law,
had he not just sort of broke the abandonment clause
or whatever, it would have been impossible for me, lily
flying through ricking for the home.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
So, Phil, have you just continued on self employed and
working by yourself? Where have you you got other employees
going on?

Speaker 17 (01:10:18):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:10:18):
No, not at all.

Speaker 9 (01:10:19):
I eventually go out on self employed because.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
So much.

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
I quite enjoy being a well played on these days.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Hey God, and you Phil, thank you for sharing that story.
Work with us.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Man. I mean, that is just straight up betrayal, isn't it.
When a guy like Phil clearly he gave the young
chap a chance, the guy kept letting them down. That's
what it comes down to, just straight up betrayal. And
you're right, the mom kidding them to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
The man of you coward, that's that's enabling. That's enabling
behavior as an employer. This Texas says, I totally disagree
with sick days. They are counted as holidays by most people.
I have told employees, if you are ill, take it off,
but don't abuse it. And if they are ever longer
term sick, we will look after them, as we did
with a good contractor a few years back. We paid

(01:11:03):
them so missing anyway, you paid them? What's we paid
him something?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Okay, to help him out so he wouldn't be so stress.
That's David.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
So that that crossed over the next line. So I
got really confused, like we paid him some myth. No,
I don't think that's not good? No something?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yeah, all right, okayixt quarter turn there very good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
The'd be thirteen to three. We're talking about sickies. New
Zealand staff six days at a record high in twenty
twenty three, according to a survey by health insurance company
Southern Cross.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Trevor, your thoughts on sickies?

Speaker 18 (01:12:01):
Yeah, hey going, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
God good? Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:12:04):
Look, I just want to say what the last cooler said.

Speaker 17 (01:12:06):
I was sort of.

Speaker 18 (01:12:06):
Waiting for a while and then he cut someone. I
was going to say, I don't know what the days
are now, but I do know the last time this
was coming out, the most common days on Mondays and Fridays. Yeah,
funny man. And of course I was just going to say,
you know, if somebody takes all the sick days on
a Monday and Friday, well you should just sack them,
because like it's very obviously be very hard for a

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doctor to come up with a medical reason, you know,
why why people get really sick on Fridays or really
sick on Mondays. So I mean, I just think that,
you know, when somebody's got a record of Mondays and Fridays,
well I think they're taking it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
I think the medical condition is Thursday Thursday, Yeah, and
millennium Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Can you get a note for being from the.

Speaker 18 (01:12:50):
Yeah, and the other thing I was going to say,
and look, it's probably something you mean to mak. I
just think generally now it's sort of put forward by
working groups and counselors and psychologists and trade union type
people that you know, if you're not one hundred percent
between yourself, I mean physically or meant for whatever reason,
you know, you stub your toe or you know you've

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had a bit of a barnie with the missus, that
you know you shouldn't have to go to work. And
I just think more and more let's portrayed as you
do that, And I'm a little bit like, yeah, man,
you know I fight a little bit. I mean I
work myself, but I fight a bit of a sniffle
or somehow I just go to work. I mean, I
can't passing on to someone else. But I just think
when the people just keep on portraying that unless you're

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basically ninety five percent or one hundred percent, yeah, as
I say part, you know you shouldn't have to go
to work, Yeah, hew, it's more important.

Speaker 11 (01:13:41):
Well wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I definitely know people and have been around people that
they're kind of searching.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
They're trying to upgrade whatever they've got to be worth
a day off.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I think there needs to step up be a powerful
kiwi and where we celebrate people people for showing resilience
and strength rather than celebrating.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
People for being weak.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
And I also seriously believe that stress is one thing,
and maybe you do need a break, but you to
be honest with your boss about that. But if you've
got mental health, you're always better around other people. Get
out there and do something, and at least get out,
get out of the house and do something. If you
if you stay in bed all day, I don't think
that's great for your mental health personally. And of course

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there's a wide variety of mental health things, but overall,
if you're feeling down, if that's the example of your
mental health, I think being around people and getting out
is a good way to approach it. But I think, yeah,
step up, be a powerful KEI we celebrate our health.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, celerate health.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Yeah tagline Trevor, thank you very much mate. Just on
you know, getting out of the house. That works if
you've got a bit of a sniffle as well, right
that if you get out of your bedroom and get
out of bed and just march on and have some
cold and flu, you feel way better, way better get
in amongst people and spreading it around.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
We've just heard from David again.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
You know, I read about that text and actually said
some myth instead of something, and he just ticks back
and said, Hi David again. My employees hear'd your voice message.
You've heard the call of mine and I all want
to be paid and myth.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Now it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
That's on you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
That company's not gonna last for long.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is an number to call.
It's nine to three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Back in the moment, the issues that affect you, and
a bit of fun along the way. Matt and Taylor
Afternoons with the Volbo XC eighty Innovation, Style and Design.

Speaker 15 (01:15:29):
Have it all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
News Talk sed B, News Talks sed B. We're talking
about sickies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, here's an interesting text here. It's just disappeared. Here
it is. I'll just get it back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Hey guys, wake up kiwis what has happened to the
renowned reputation of being a hard working Kiwi low productivity,
low wage economy, Extra public holidays, doubled six leave, sick
leave to ten days, okay, with dependence leave being allocated
to those that need it rather than universal extra five days.
The gone fishing mentality is hurting the employers and the
economy of this country. Look at the US and other countries.

(01:16:02):
We're becoming a nation of pathetic winges. And this other
person was saying, you know, if you want to take
a day off, actually maybe we should get Buckshe off
on to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Front this campaign. He didn't take a day off when
what happened to him and nonse.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Bring back bark and celebrate out. I like it, Uh, Peter,
how are you.

Speaker 22 (01:16:25):
Team? I used to be a bit of a when
I was managing a bit of a preck on.

Speaker 17 (01:16:30):
This sort of thing.

Speaker 22 (01:16:31):
I used to jop down everyone's six to leave on
the calendar, and when that came up, there six monthly review,
show them how many days I've had off and a
plane usually formed. And then I changed their day off
to the day that they mostly called them and made

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them because we went work in a supermarket at seven
day trading, right, so they had no choice.

Speaker 8 (01:16:59):
I gave them eat today.

Speaker 22 (01:17:00):
It's like, well, you're always off on a Friday, so
this is now your day off, your normal day workers Saturday,
and and they kind of stopped really quick that you know,
people taking advantage of it. And the other thing I
used to do is make them work if they were hungover.
I just said to the guys, if you hung just
let me know, and you don't have to use the bansil,

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but you're entitle to, but it's your shift. The next
day that was and all I did was go upstairs
at lunchtime and wake them up, put them back on
the floor. And I had to follow the same the
same rule many a time. I went from you know,
establishment across the work to want to get three in

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the morning, and yeah, you just suck it up.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
You just have to.

Speaker 22 (01:17:48):
And you know it's I hate sickly just randomly, at
least you've got something gone right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well you got to think of the other
people as well. I mean, you may you may want
to take a sicky for whatever reason, but that that
is really screwing over your other workmates, not not just
your employer, but your other workmates.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
That's when they've got to pick up this. That is
just such a slap in the face of those people.

Speaker 22 (01:18:12):
Well, it's the thing too, because you only got X
amount of staffs you have, you know, have enough people
to cover those seven days, so you haven't got an
abundance of staff ball on one day. So everyone's got
different times off so it is an issue and I
don't think having an extra five days on top of

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the keen moon's out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Well, thanks so much for your called Peter, appreciate it
and we're going to continue this on because sunny text
message coming through and we've got full lines. But if
you want to share and eighty ten eighty you we'll
find room for your.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
New sport and weather on. It's way great to have
your company is always We'll catch you on the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Mazarnie talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X ninety News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
They be afternoon, welcome back to the show. Being having
a great discussion about Kiwi's taken are the old Siki?

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Yeah, New Zealand stuff. Sick days had a record high
in twenty twenty three. According to Southern Cross Health Insurance
and Business New Zealand studies. Most workers, by Laura entitled
to ten days sickly a year to care from salves, partners,
children or other dependents. But definitely some people are taking
the place Yeah festival sick days. There's also thirsty Thursday,
leading to a lot of Fridays off and also millennial Monday,

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which you'd be used to on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Yeah, they were the good old days. Seeh I miss those,
but because when we extended it from five days to
ten days, and we all know the reason why that
got extended, and it brought us closer I think, in
line with Australian sick days. But when you increase the allowance,
it just means that you increase the allowance for people
to take the mick, right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah yeah, And most people be agreeing with that, And
it feels like half the country have texted us on
nineteen nine term. We've got some full lines, but we'll
make room few on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
But here's a different perspective. Employees are toxic with their assumptions.
Employeers are toxic with their assumptions. Mine assumes that I'm
taking a day off when we're not needed. People have
lives to live and things to do. Right when my
boss takes leave, no one has given notice and takes
lunch breaks longer than anyone else. And then you work
hard to help the boss and company out. But what's

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the incentive to work through sick days zero? Well, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I mean, I mean that's always going to be the
way of the world that bosses will. If you're in charge,
you get to decide how things go. If you own
the company, for example, that you know that that's your prerogative.
But if you're working for someone, then they set the rules, right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Yeah. But that's a ballsy strategy, though, isn't it. Because
I can not that I've ever employed the strategy that
text was saying, but I can understand where they're coming
from that if they generally ask for leave, which is
different to sickly, if they ask for annual leave and
the boss say, nah, we're pretty busy at that time
of the year, you got to work it, then the
boss takes that time off. I get what you're saying.
It's his company, he can do what he likes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
And I was talking about the other side of it.
But yeah, so you're saying, you're talking about the first
side of the check text.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Yeah, yeah, so the annual leave side. But then because
that boss was being and that that employees view little bit,
you know, batcandid to say, hey, it's a two way street.
A little bit here, I'm going to take the mic
on sick on sick days That's when it starts to
get a bit toxic, right, Is that You've got a
boss who is kind of looking at employee saying, you're

(01:21:23):
a bit of an ant. You work for me. I
make the rules here, and I'm going to make your
life a bit miserable. And you want to go to
your brother's wedding. Tough bickies, it's busy time. You're not
having that, and you'll leave. Then that employee you will say, well,
if you're going to be like that, I'm going to
take the mic on sick days.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Yeah, I mean, okay, yeah, I get that. But isn't
that just the way the world works?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Yeah, toxic relationships at work?

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Maybe I run a bonus system. Basically, you get a
bloody good bonus if you turn up to work and
don't take the purse. Believe it or not, not, one
of my employees ef I got COVID. Bonus systems work.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
The more you put in, the more you get out,
and if you take the piss you get if ah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Sure your face stands for but sounds intense.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
This is a good text, Giday, guys. One of my
staff took bereavement leave for at least six different sets
of grandparents, which always included the wives as well. How's
that work?

Speaker 17 (01:22:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I had a mate that was moving his mum for
so long. He was moving his mum from house to
house for about three months. He was always late because
he was I've got to move mums. She's moving into
a new place.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
So you can only ride that for so long. I
met up as mum got It's a maximum of three
days that you could ride that one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Fifteen years ago, I pulled a sticky in Queenstown when
a friend was visiting. I then realized that we couldn't
really do anything for fear someone would see me. Queenstown
was more like a small town at that time. We
ended up driving to Wannica for the day, so they
solved their problem.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
There's very good. Keep those teas coming through on nine
to nine to two, Dean, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (01:22:55):
Hey guys, good a. Look I'm chuckling at this and
the conversation. Look, I'm older gen X and you know,
throw over ten wonderful years of the company I worked with,
and I was one of the bosses. I ended up
with like an amazed, freaking, amazing amount of sickly that

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I didn't take simply because I thought, you know, I'm
doing the right thing, and probably followed through my parents
as well. And so I left that company and.

Speaker 23 (01:23:25):
I've become a consultant. Of course, I lost all the
whole bloody lot sixty plus days or whatever, and I thought, Jesus,
all those years, I should have taken sickies just to
enjoy it over the each year, to haven't bit of fun.
Take some time out, because once you lose it, you

(01:23:47):
lose it forever. And the funniest thing is is that
my wife's the opposite. She had her business. Now she's
working on a wage and she's happy with that. But
she the other day she goes, oh, I need to
take a day off because of blah blah blah. And
I said, for Girdna's sake, take it. Use your time out.

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If you've got ten days whatever, use it through the year.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
But when you say, Dean that you lost those sick days,
they were never yours. If you weren't sick, if you
went sick, then that you haven't lost anything. Those days
are to help people that are sick, right, So you
haven't lost anything.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Married married to day married, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I don't know about that particular, saying we'll move on
from that one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Yeah, I mean I think that's a fair point you say,
is that just because you've got sick leave there, whether
you're entitled to just take it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
We've gone on a whole circle here. He's missing a
whole point there, Dean. That's ridiculous. Like the point that
we were saying is are people just taking those ten
days and acting like they're an extra two weeks of
holiday basically a year? Right, So he's saying that he
went through his whole work and he did take them,
and now he feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
He lost something. Yeah, so you were never entitled to them.
They weren't there there if you're sick.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
But all these people that are texting through saying I
accumulated one hundred and twenty days sick leave? How do
you When did that happen? I thought the legislation came
in some time ago that the most you could accumulate
was twenty days. Who's who's racking up one hundred and
twenty days sick leave?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Well, I don't know how it works. I don't think
that I can't see how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Yeah, liars, Oh after eighty is the number to call.
We'll take a quick break here and come back to
more of your phone calls. It is thirteen past three,
sus three.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
I've always worked in as a sort of a contractor
for a very long time, so I don't really understand
how sick days work. So it's a crewing of sick days.
How does that work? Explain that to me, Tyler, or
explain it to me someone on our eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Well, I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
So if you if you don't take sick days, then
they get and so you didn't take them for years
and years, so you didn't take your ten a year
for twenty years, would they accrue two hundred sick days?
And then that you could just be paid out for
two hundred days and one years.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
They must have changed the contract. I mean, I'm laughing
because someone says, Tyler, you're absolutely numpty and I'll read
out the rest of that text. But as I understand it,
everybody is entitled to ten days sick leave, but the
most you can accumulate is twenty days before it caps off.
So clearly these are all contracts, aren't they? Or read
out the numpty one again. Oh my god, they're all
coming through thick and fast. It is up to the

(01:26:43):
employer whether your sickly resets or accumulates on your balance
every year. I clearly see thirty two sick days leave
available on my Pacelet maybe check before calling people liars?

Speaker 17 (01:26:55):
Time like that?

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
Right here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Let's go called a bunch of people liars as of yesterday.
This text it says I have two hundred and fifty
six sick days accrued.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
But how does that work? We should?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
We should, We need to get employment lawyer to the situation.
So if you have two hundred and fifty six six
days accrue a sick days in your contract or whatever,
does that mean that you can just be sick for
as long as turning? Suddenly you I don't know what
You've got to turn a fifty six day hangover?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Hangover? You can get paid for it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Yeah, if you get a doctor's note.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
This says, take your sick days. Bugger your boss. It's
been all about them since since Shipley.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Well that's going back away Shipley.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Yeah, that's that's the name.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
I haven't heard for a wee while since the ship
that's from Tom Andrew.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
How are you boys.

Speaker 16 (01:27:46):
Have I got you there?

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Yep, gotcha excellent.

Speaker 16 (01:27:49):
Hey, now I want to circle back to my point
which I actually called for, but I can possibly help
you with your clarification.

Speaker 17 (01:27:57):
Around the sick leave.

Speaker 16 (01:27:58):
I appreciate that, Tyler, you are right that the legislation
did change around the time when it increased from five
to ten days. Right, because back in my father's days,
for example, he's now retired, his sick leave would accrue
and a crew and a crew, and he was as
old school buger New Zealanders. You never go in sick
unless you're dead. Ye, never take a day off. And

(01:28:21):
when he retired he had god knows how many sick days,
but it was a stack. But when the legislation increased
the amount they have. Employers do have the option of
putting a cap in and some have not enforced that cap,
which is why some companies will see leave balances flying up.

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Further to that, when you do have your two hundred
and fifty six days owing like one of your sectors
might have referred to most reasonable employers, if you're off
for a period of time, we'll ask for a proven method,
a medical note, the doctor's certificate as to why that

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length of time gotcham Most of us, you know, mister
of us are only taking a day or two offs
here and there. So that's kind of the first.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Part, kind of just ask before you go on here, Andrew,
what does those accumulated texts, so those accumulated sick days
gain you or and what do they mean to the company?
Are they on the books like holidays are sit on
the books for the company as a liability?

Speaker 16 (01:29:33):
Different companies, Yeah, different companies recorded differently because different employees
use sickles differently, and different companies have different policies and
how they enforce it. My old boss was a high
trust model. You know, I'll trust you, you'll trust me,
and we don't take the piss. But a lot of
the corporates, you know, of course your threatenays sick, Well, okay,

(01:29:54):
you return to work. We're going to need to see
a medical note for that because you know, the three
day hangover or whatever. So, yeah, most of their corporates
to run them as a liability.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah, and that we've got a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
We've got to get used, sorry, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
We've got this text here for example, that says, hi,
I had forty two sick days, then I had a
hit transplant, took all my sick days plus and you
leave to cover it. So if that's the case and
you can do that, then that is a liability sitting
on the box, because.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
That's absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:30:29):
Absolutely, And that's why a lot of companies, when the
legislation opened up, the option to cap them at the
twenty basically limits the company's liability of holding x amount
of dollars across the large workforce and so. And the
second one was a little bit tongue in cheek. I
think in the last hour you said, would it be

(01:30:51):
fair to share sickly balances and usage amongst your colleagues
and stuff. Of course you can't do that. It's it'd
be highly illegal in the HR space with you know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
A sickly trading market in the lunch ray exactly. Know
we're going to have.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
We all know each other's salary, and we all know
each other sickly.

Speaker 16 (01:31:14):
Well, we we don't really know each other's salaries, you know,
in a structured environment, you know, with bands and so forth,
you may and then there's the bonus structures and all
that sort of thing. But look, just just be mindful
of everybody of your situation, in the situation of your colleagues.

(01:31:38):
A lot of stuff goes on in the home that
your colleagues don't know about, with six family members, sick kids,
your own health issues, and that's what your confidentiality is there.
With your boss, he shouldn't be talking about you know,
Sam sickle or Bob sickly or Matt sickly, and the
reasons why. It's just you know, Matt can't be in

(01:31:59):
today and he'll be back next Tuesday or next Wednesday,
for example. That's just a sort of a serious hr
head to it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
It's a fair and I hear what you and I
agree for those who appearents and they've got you know,
children who are sick and need to be looked after
for whatever reason, and they don't need to let their
colleagues know those reasons. But you can understand how singles
might feel a bit aggrieved by that if they having
to pick up the slack in the in the office
because they don't have to take those sick days for

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children to look after all dependents.

Speaker 16 (01:32:31):
Oh very much so. But then that falls back on
you know, I've got kids, so I always am mindful
of my balance, right am I gonna save, you know,
out of my twenty that I'm I'm looking at, am
I gonna save sort of five, six, seven, eight for
for something at home when something may or may not happen.
Absolutely I do. But you know, the other portion of

(01:32:54):
that balance, the other eight or ten. If I'm feeling
a bit low one day, or if I'm I don't
go out and get on the on the hammer anymore.

Speaker 17 (01:33:02):
I'm a bit old to that.

Speaker 16 (01:33:03):
You know, if I'm feeling really worn out and run
down for whatever reason, I will consider taking a personal
day and a sick day, really, very really, I'm not
going to go out and hit a tennis ball or
a golf ball. I'm probably going to have a quiet
day and invested in myself. But yeah, I always always
have a good sort of third of my leave of

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sick leave stored for the kids, stored for when I
get properly sick or something similar.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Well, think so much.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
If you call Andrew, it seems like you've thought it through. Hey,
Matt and Tyler the organization. I work for a cruise
the sick days, and I have been here for nine years.
I have sixty six days accrued as of a cruise.
You start to look at it as an insurance policy
in case you get really sick, so less likely to
take a sick day, I leave the country, I leave soon,
So the company wins. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what

(01:33:54):
the company doesn't really win, because sick days are there
for you to take if you're sick.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
What business in their right mind would just allow those
sick days to accrue and a crew and a crew
until you're into like one of those Texas said two
hundred and sixty six days. You know there's a balance
there accrue in twenty days speat.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
So when you're sixty four, you're suddenly sick for the
entire last year of your employment.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Anyway, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's so many
different permutations and way to look at this issue. So
nineteen nine two is the text number. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Let's keep talking about sick days.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Twenty five past.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Three, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on us talk ZV.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Good afternoon. We're talking about sick leave in New Zealand
and whether it started off, whether it's okay to take
a sick if you're not sick, and clearly that is dishonest.
I'll let this text Kiday. Guys in the police force,
we only get the normal amount of sick days, though
we used to gift a quarter day sick leave to
the Collective Sick Leave Bank each payday, which you could

(01:35:00):
apply to if you had a serious illness and needed
extended sick leave. So not paid for by the taxpayer,
but from you and your workmates from rob Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Interesting staying in the that sort of vague area of employment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Fire Service now have pitt lea how work you have
to be? Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Fire Service have pit leaf So you if you if
your pets and you'd probably take you you'd.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Take a day off for pepper.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Wall hear me out, you're dog. Wait, hang on, You've
got Colin, and Colin is a very good boy. Surely
if Colin was under the weather and needed to go
to the vet, I would let you go, mate. I'd say, yeah,
that's fine. You'd say, hey, Colin's Colin is feeling rough.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
I wouldn't expect to be paid for it, though.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
I'm going to I'm going to text my friend in
the fire service and ask it if that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
If you've got pet leave and your work love to
hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Uh, do you guys, my friend in the fire service,
fireman Phil, do you guys get pet sick leave?

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
That can't be true.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
Well this text, you guys are just a pair of sickos.
Yeah maybe scret yeah, spot on, just reasonably legal, Rob.

Speaker 13 (01:36:08):
How are you?

Speaker 8 (01:36:11):
Oh goody? How you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
Good?

Speaker 17 (01:36:14):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:36:14):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (01:36:15):
Yeah. I've been working for most of my life with
a particular company and I at the moment have accrued
the maximum that I can, which is fifty days. So
I don't think that that's a huge liability for the
company because I've been working for the last probably a
couple of decades, whether it's sitting get fifty So otherwords,

(01:36:37):
they're not paying me any sickly or adding to any
sickly year after year after year. It's they had a
lot of turnover of staff and everybody had their ten
days every year. Well, they'd have to pay somebody ten
days every year. But for me, if I don't use
my sickly e than any one year, they don't. They
don't have to accrue anything for me, so I'm cheaper
to run than most.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
I would say it's a fair point, no, Rob, But
just you know, you mentioned the fifty days, which is
effectively ten weeks, right if you work five days a week.
The fact that you've said that that's there when when
you need it, whether you're sick or not. I mean
that kind of implies that that's almost like a bit
of a retirement bonus, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:37:20):
No, not a retirement bonus. I'm I am, you know,
at the at the point where I am considering retiring,
But I've also got you know, I could wake up
tomorrow with a pain in the chest and go to
the doctors, and the doctor says, you've got something really
seriously wrong with you, and you know you may have
to you know, the best case, you know, you off
have an operation and you're off work for three months.

(01:37:44):
It's it's a bit of an insurance policy for something
like that. You know, as you get older, you're more
likely to perhaps girl and and it's a bit of
comfort to know that you know there is a bit
of a buffer there.

Speaker 8 (01:37:56):
So it's to your advantage to actually not throw the sickies.
Get your maximum entitlement so that if if the worst
comes to the worst, it cushions the blow.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Yeah, and that must be an interesting situation though for
an employer if they then that comes up and the
you know, compassion and everything, and I'm sure they'd want
to help you out because you know you've been around
for a long time. But that's sitting there that at
any time, fifty days could of you're paying someone for
fifty days and they can't come in and work. But
I guess, I guess they've put that aside. If you're

(01:38:28):
accounting for that every year, so you're you know, over time,
you're accounting for those ten days a year, so you're
assuming that those ten days are going to go even
if they're not taken. It's complicated. Thank you so much
for your call, Rob, appreciate appreciate it. So getting a
lot of feedback from the fire department.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Did you makee ticture back?

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
I'll just check that that's on the phone, but this
is on the text machine here. No, we don't get
pets sick leave. But when my dog passed, I took
time off and they gave it to me as sickly,
so you kind of do we don't have pets sick leave. However,
we can use our own set leave sick leave for pets,
much like kids assume that's from the fire department as well,
is it. Obviously I haven't heard back from my mate.

(01:39:08):
I'm pending, pending from an official source.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
I'm I'm so having to think how I feel about
pet leave because you know, I love Pepper. She's a
good dog. You love Colin. If she got she had
the sniffles, it's you know, she was feeling a bit
under the weather.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I don't even like to say the age of my
dog Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
I even sometimes kind of trying under I know, exact
as age, but I kind of undersay it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Yeah, because I don't want to think about it because.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
He's ten now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Yeah, and I cannot face losing my dog Colin. So
I reckon, I'll take fifty days. Pat's the clevel when Colin.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Goes down, And I wouldn't blame you. I went one
hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is a number to call.
It is twenty eight to four.

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Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
News Talk zedb we are talking about sick Leaven news Hell,
and then the conversation has has gone into some interesting
areas which we love.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Yes, has moved into pet bereavement leave. It's called caregivers leave,
which also includes pets Hi, Matt and Tyler. At ASP
we get bereavement leave on the death of our pets.
And this textra nine two nine two. Hey, listening to
some of the callers and text, I wonder New Zealand'
productivity is very low. Sick days of being sick, nothing else.
I had my own business for several decades and I

(01:41:33):
did not miss a single day at work.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Can I just give a wee shout out to this
company in zed Me that when we lost our first dog,
sesse who clearly the company knew I absolutely adored Sesey,
they offered me the day off. Turned out that I
needed to come to work to get through it, but
they sent some flowers. They actually treated it with a
lot of respect, and I'd look back now and think
good on en zed Me. At the time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Wow, when my mom died to come to work and
they didn't send me in.

Speaker 18 (01:41:58):
It, that's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
I've been working for Newstalk. They look after people Newstalks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
eBay and the call Crawel Andrew, how are you mate?

Speaker 11 (01:42:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:42:11):
Good, thanks guys, you love the show. Thanks my stuff.
With sick leave, I've just had a new baby ten
months ago and had a couple of operations the last
six months from sitting in the city. So without that
sick leave, I've taken fourteen days off since November and
all the sick leaves and all for the beautiful young baby.

(01:42:34):
And you know, I'm a worker, so I haven't taken
that sick day off to myself for years. But I
can't say that when I was a young lad. I
was definitely a bit of a lad back in the
day and definitely copped a bit of mondays.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
Yeah, and so the taking the sick leave for sick children,
clearly that is what a lot of parents do, right,
That's where a good chunk of that leave gets taken up.
When it comes to your workmates who don't have children,
do you do you think sometimes there could be a
bit of resentment that builds up there, you know, not
the fact that you're a parent, but the fact that

(01:43:10):
they have to pick up a bit more sleck sometimes.

Speaker 21 (01:43:13):
Yeah, I suppose I'm not really in a workplace like
that where we rely on one person to be there
for from day to day, sort of in a construction
And I suppose you do this one person if they
don't turn.

Speaker 17 (01:43:23):
Up, but not the end of the world, is it.

Speaker 21 (01:43:25):
No, you sort of expect someone not to be there
when you're in a sea and business these days, So yes, don't.
As long as you do your job and worry about
where you've got to worry about, everything's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
Yeah. Have you ever taken a sick day just for you, Andrew? Well,
you must have, but recently would you have you taken
a sick day for yourself?

Speaker 21 (01:43:44):
No, not for myself. I think I think that. You know,
when you've got a baby at home, obviously she's she's
pretty hard for twenty four to seven, so you know,
there's no real point. You know, you's still going to
pay the mortgage and get on and we still goes around.
So there's plenty of worse off people than ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
So yeah, good, there's a good attitude. Andrew, thank you
so much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Here's it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Mom of two kids, three and one and a half
years old, work full time. They're in daycare full time.
Ten days is nowhere near enough to cover both myself
and them for a year. Like many parents, we end
up sending sick kids to daycare and not taking sick
leave from ourselves. It's a vicious cycle. Then you start
going through and you'll leave and this impacts your own
well being. So Tyler here, who doesn't have kids, he

(01:44:31):
would say, well, that's that's that's the situation you're in.
That So Tyler, he doesn't have kids.

Speaker 6 (01:44:40):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
It's tricky.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Why should someone with kids get like me, have special
treatment over Tyler who does have kids.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
I have seen that resentment in the workplace, not me
being resentful, but I've seen it from people without kids,
and they see those with kids needing to take more
time off to look after their family. They would quite
like to take some time off to look after whatever
family they've got in their life, even if it's not children.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
I think we need to go back to the eighties
way of viewing things that my parents had, which will basically,
you go to school, you just go to school, and
you go to daycare. And we need to just realize
that we diseases are better to be spread amongst people,
so they build up community and we just have to
deal it as a society.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
That's why it works that kids go to school.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
They don't they I think the threshold and this won't
be across the whole families, but I see it in people.

Speaker 16 (01:45:28):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
The threshold of what counts to be sick and not
going to school seems to.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Have lowered a lot since when my parents.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Would force me to go to school in disgusting states. Yeah,
it's a good point well generally speaking. Also, how fun
it is to stay at home. It's really increased for
kids because it used to be so incredibly boring. You'd
be in bed, maybe you make it down to the
lounge to watch aerobics old style, and then basically there

(01:45:54):
was what was that show about those women in prison
and Australia it's just terrible television.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
There was nothing to do. You might as well be
at school.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
But you're right, so it's really fun to be at home.
So there's a high incentive for kids to talk upsick there.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
I think when I try to take a sicky and Dared,
just out of spite, decided to stay home as well
so he could watch me and make sure that I
wasn't watching Delly, I was staying in bed, I was sleeping.
If I dared do anything entertaining, he'd be down on
me like a ton of bricks. And it worked.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Hey, here we go. Here's a text here for you, Tyler.
People like Tyler without kids, remember that it'll be those
kids that will be working to pay your super.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
So we actually need these people to have kids, and
we need as a community to make it possible for
people to have kids because we need those kids to
be working to pay for my super.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
That's a conundrum. So we need to increase the sick
leave for parent workers. Oh one hundred and eighty is
Numn the call, it's eighteen to four. We'll take more
of your phone calls very shortly.

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Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Be we're talking about the ten days sick leave a
year to care for themselves. Partners, children are other dependents
that most workers get by law in New Zealand. Turns
out it's an incredibly complex topic. It turns out that
there's some people faking it, some people that aren't, some
people that are cruing a huge amount of non sick days,

(01:47:27):
and some people think that they're entitled to them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Some people think that they're.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Not parents taking the mixed single work is feeling a
bit aggrieved by it. We need to have more babies.
It's got complex.

Speaker 17 (01:47:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
I can't believe you're going to take on big Mum
and Dad Tyler, but.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
I regret it. I take it back. We need more,
We need more kids in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
You're a brave man, Percis.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
How are you?

Speaker 18 (01:47:48):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:47:49):
Him?

Speaker 24 (01:47:49):
Thank you, thanks for taking my calls. Well, it surely
looks like you have covered the whole Janato issue around sickly.
I only had to say this that I consider and
we should all consider the fact that we are given
skis sickly as a privilege. And that's how I've already
viewed it. And well, look at you didn't have to

(01:48:11):
use your sick leave, then you're really privileged because hey,
you didn't get sick, your family didn't get sick, your
kids didn't get sick. And then on the art occasion
when you say your dog is sick or or you
are really sick, when nobody's going to complain and they're
going to happily let you take that half day off
for one day off for leave. So, and of course

(01:48:33):
a lot depends on how long you work in a
company and the company's rules. Some have a cap, so
have quite a long cap. I think mine is one
hundred and twenty days. I probably already prospect. But yeah,
it's just that attitude.

Speaker 15 (01:48:48):
I guess you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Would you support people taking so you say that a
sick day as a as a privilege that's been offered
to you. But do you do you what about someone
who's stressed so they just need to take a day off.
They're not actually sick, they don't actually have the flu
or whatever's going on. They just feel like they've had

(01:49:09):
enough and they need to take a day off so
they can come back to work even stronger.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Do you think that's a legit thing to do?

Speaker 24 (01:49:17):
I mean, I think I don't know whether we would
be able to take. We do get something called awareness
make where you could probably just take a day off
or for just that sort of reason. If you were
taking a stress me and so often, then your boss
would be one day whether you need you need help
in some sort of way, and would be talking to

(01:49:39):
you about that, so which should be managed. It would
be something that would be managed.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
What's the wellness day perceeds? What do you have to
do for that? You can take a day off for
any reason whatsoever. You'll just say boss, I'm taking a
wellness day.

Speaker 24 (01:49:51):
For doing anything you want.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
Yes, isn't that a Saturday and Sunday?

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
So that isn't that That's just like another day added
onto your holidays then, isn't it?

Speaker 24 (01:50:02):
Most Yes, that way very general.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
You'll come to come to you with us very generous.
Do you for a bank?

Speaker 19 (01:50:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:50:09):
I guess so, But I suppose we. I think when
you're given, when the employer as generous and the employer
is fair, then people also don't explain the situation quite
so much. They will always be the art type of
person or guys there. But around me, I don't see
a lot of that behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Yeah, very interesting, Thank you so much for your call.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
If I'm not entitled to sick days, why do they
advertise them and judge job advertisements? See this is the
bit that's really doing my head in that I don't understand,
and I think I might have worked as a contract
in my whole life, so I don't really and I
don't have sick days. If I am sick, I don't
get paid. That's what it's always been for me. But
well except for when I used to work in record
stores or whatever, and I used to be a warehouse

(01:50:56):
manager back then, but I can't remember that. But you're
sick days. They're not like holidays. It's not a perk,
it's not part of your it's not like you get
four weeks holiday and two weeks sick days.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
They're there if you get sick.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
So all these texts that come through, and someone explained
this to me because all these people that set through
is I left this job, there was a change in contract,
and I lost sixty seven sick days.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
Yeah, in my way of.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Thinking, they were never your sick days. They were just
there as a backstop in case you were unwell, just
just for fairness, because you know people are going to
get sick, and it just seems fear that maybe they
should get paid for those. But people seem to look
at them, and at least I'm missing something here. They
seem to look at them as an entitlement, just like holidays.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
I don't know why you'd put them in a job advertisement.
I mean, that's like trying to paint the picture of
the house. It's a real dunger that you work how
hard you can to say, hey, by the way, you
get twenty days sick leave a cruel as well, of
course you do. That's just part of the legislation. That's
not a perk.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
This Texas is hard and up New Zealand. I spent
five years in London, never had a sick day. That's
after hitting the wheeze hard in the weekends, we've become soft.
That's going back to what I said about hangovers, which
is part This is really where this conversation started a
long time ago, as people taking probably this Friday off
and then partying or you know, a festival day and

(01:52:19):
then and calling it a sick day. Right yeah, And
that's where I bought the saying to the room, which
is if you go at the boy with the boys,
you got to get up with the men, yep. Or alternately,
if you go out with the girls, you got to
get up with the woman.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Full circle, full circle.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
That that's that, so so you can go out and party,
but you have to turn up to work and put
in a full, solid day's work.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
That's part of the whole. That's the deal. So that's
the deal in life, you know, step apart be a
powerful keywek we.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Solved this in the first ten minutes of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Yeah, but I don't think I've ever been involved in
anything so complicated in my life.

Speaker 14 (01:52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
Yeah, We're going to have to get a lawyer onto
this at some stage. Ten to four will wrap it
all up very shortly, the.

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Speaker 25 (01:53:16):
You know Ron, Yes, Yes, I did four years in
the government service and I got a terrific amount of
holiday leave hardy. I would have been excess of two
sixty when I left. Spend about eighteen years since I
left the service. I transferred everything I started off from

(01:53:38):
there of a culture apartment. I finished there and I
want the nursing so I got all my sickly transferred
to the other department, and I moved around New Zealand
a little bit, and I transferred everything wherever I moved.
I got the whole forty years of sick leave, which
I hardly ever used. But the other thing I got
was a wreck day recreational day, which gave you one

(01:54:02):
day a year to do anything in the recreational side.
And I split up into two half days so that
I could get out and I used to do trotting,
trolls and things like that, and I thought that was
that was good because I miss those days if I
was at work, and it was good that I can
get out and do something on the recreational side.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Wow, a recreational day.

Speaker 25 (01:54:25):
For recreation side.

Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
So there were specific days that were called recreation days,
which are pretty much what beach days if we want
to go hiking.

Speaker 25 (01:54:34):
Oh yeah, anything like that. Yes, yes, you're right there.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
That's just annual leave, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
That's like having a holiday, four weeks holiday and one
extra day, but worth a real focus on doing something
positive in your life that you might miss out on.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Hey, thanks so much for you cool ron, I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Yeah, So, boy, it's been a wide ranging chat, isn't it.
Today has keep.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
Arieve it wellness day is recreational leave. I mean we're
fit at all.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
The most frequent payroll question I get this is a
person that runs payroll. How many sick days do I have?
I still stand by my belief that we indeed to
step up, become power for kiwis and be proud of
being healthy, and be proud of the amount of time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
I like to show off. You don't like to say
I don't take sick days.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
I don't mean them. And I'm going to hold you
to that. Heard it here, folks, he mets off. You
know it won't be for seeing us, and he'll be
celebrating health and it would just be pure recreational.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
If I'm off, tyleran, it's because I'm hungover.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Thank you very much for today, never never.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Never, all right, so much for listening. We'll see tomorrow
and give them a taste of Kiwi.

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