Full Show Podcast: 06 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Hell are you great New Zealanders And welcome to mattain
Tyler Afternoons podcast for Friday, the sixth of December. Fantastic
discussion today about crypto. We went deep into that. We
announced the new Zealander of the week later on in
the show. Keep listening for that. It'll blow your mind.
Who wins topical tunes. We had some good supermarket chat,
trolly self service checkouts, alcohol the Big Big I got

(00:39):
testy with the caller who questioned my moral, my moral,
my moral stance on alcohol and yeah, so great show.
Make sure you're set to follow and download and look
Merry Christmas and blessed, bless blessed and give them a
taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons new for twenty twenty four News talk S EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Helload do you and happy Friday afternoon. You're listening to
Matt and Tyler. We're with you at four pm.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, and down the Base Reserve they're on lunch England
making it through to one hundred and twenty four for
four after New Zealand chose to field Henry's got two
and Smith has got to including a beautiful clean bowl
from Henry on Crawley. But I'm not happy. I'm not happy,
Tyler happy everyone, because it's one hundred and one hundred

(01:34):
and twenty four for four. We had them at four,
down at seventy, and it's just creeping away for us.
We've got Brock, that dirty broad. He's got a fifty
already when you know what he did to us down
at Hagley Oval. So more wickets after lunch please, New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll keep you updated on that as the
afternoon goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
After three o'clock out in New Zealand. Of the week.
We do this every week on Matt and Tyler afternoons.
We find someone or something worthy of the award, and
I think you're going to be very very happy with
who or what wins this week.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And also we do as we do
every Friday topical tune.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, that's right, me and Tyler, Tyler and I are
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It's currently six to two to me in the competition,
which means we've been doing the show for two months.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
O man, time flies when you're having fun. That's after
three thirty. After two o'clock, bitcoin has reached new heights.
You would have seen this top in one hundred thousand
dollars USD per bitcoin, which is about one hundred and
seventy thousand New Zealand dollars. The latest rises on the
back of the reelection of Donald Trump. But the question
we want to put you after two o'clock is this

(02:59):
going to end in tears for most of the people
that buy into bitcoin and crypto?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, because you've been in there before, haven't you, Tyler,
And you've lost a bit of money yep entered in
tea is for me. I never got on board on bitcoin,
and I've always sort of been on an emotional rollercoaster ride.
I'm one of those people that enjoys when it's down
because I was never in you know, I was kind
of I kind of never quite understood it, wasn't sure
how it worked with the money, never got on missed

(03:25):
the train, but it's the train well and truly left
the station now. So if you buy now, are you
going to make outsized profits or do you need to
wait till it crashes again before you buy? Because it
does seem to come back even stronger whenever it crashes.
So if it has a massive harving or something, is
that a good time? Would you jump in then? Because

(03:46):
or is there going to be one crash to the
crash for good?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah? And what do you do with bitcoin? Apart from
buying weapons? And you know some overseas seas country you're
doing you illegitimate things with it. I don't understand what
you do with bitcoin. There was all this talk about
buying pizzas and you can go down to your dairy
and pay with bitcoin. That never happened.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, well we'll look into that. Hey, just a quick
update here from you this texture of nine two nine
two Lynn. Thank you for your text update on Tyler's
hot air. Please, how did you go last night? Because
you were you were struggling with't you with the humidity
in Auckland having moved up from Canterbury.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, so I think it was Colin that rang in right,
towards the end. So well, actually a couple of things
I'm going to try. One was the South African chap
who talked about the chili bin and then cut the
hole in the top and get the ice. So I've
got a cheap chili bin FROMKM genuinely, and I got.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That with a little with a little battery fan.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Haven't got that yet. I haven't got that yet, so
that's still on the shopping list. And I've also got
the duct team from Bunnings. I got the collapsible ducting.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, so you're going to run so that situation. I
know we need to move on from this, but you're
going to run like a twelve inch fan downstairs by
the heat pump yep, and you're going to run the
ducting pipe all the way up the stairs into your
room to blast it up.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I reckon, that's the goer, that's the goaler. The stairs
are going to look unsightly. It's a Jerry riglass thing,
my HRV system that is going to run up the stairway.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well so, but last night you and your lovely partner
were still under the heat pump and the lounge downstairs.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
And it was beautiful A great night's sleep and the loundes.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay, what are we talking about now, though, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're talking about what is called a brown onion hack.
So one shopper who spoke to media but didn't give
their name for obvious reasons, said she resorted to putting
all of her fruit and vegetables through the sealth chack
hat a check of self checkout, excuse me as brown
onions to save money. So this brown onion hack is
doing the rounds on TikTok and Instagram, and effectively, when

(05:32):
you take in the likes of say, oranges that are
five bucks of kilo at the moment, and you put
them through the South checkout in a brown paper bag instead,
instead of selecting oranges, you just select brown onions because
brown onions are a dollar forty nine kiler.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
So you and TikTok are saying it's the hack. I'm
saying that's theft. Well, that's fraud and theft. You're lying
to get something for cheaper. You're saying that you're getting
some expensive, delicious oranges, saying they're brown onions and getting
them cheaper. That's not a hack, that's theft.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
We can agree on that fact. That is absolutely theft.
But here's my That hack has been going for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You used to back in the day, when you'd write
the code of what you were getting out of the tubs, Yeah,
you could write a different code on it and pay less.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah. And that was plausible deniability that if you were
going for you know, you got some cashews and then
instead you put down peanuts because they were cheaper, and
someone comes up and said, excuse me, that not peanuts,
and you say, oh, sorry, I wrote the code down wrong.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, and you go, I just don't know the difference
between peanuts and cash nuts. I don't know if that
ever worked. And that was still theft even back then.
But you've got a theory on this, don't you.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, here's my question. And I'm not saying that any
business deserves theft, Absolutely not, and clearly this is theft.
But I guarantee that supermarkets when they put in these
self service checkouts, and they're in most supermarkets now, if
not all supermarkets, they knew that thefts were going to increase.
That was part of their calculations reducing the wages cost.

(06:54):
Then they save money putting in these self service checkouts,
and they knew that they were going to get an
increase in thefts.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, but that doesn't make it morally okay to do it.
So what you're saying is because they don't have eyes
on everyone going through the checkout, that they deserve to
have a certain amount of stuff stolen.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm saying they did the calculations and they knew. I'm
not saying it's right, but they did the calculations. And
if they wanted to go back to employing staff at
the checkout and getting rid of these self service machines,
then they would see those the thefts reduce.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay, one hundred and eighty ten eighty Do they deserve it?
I would say this. And I've got a slightly nuanced
view on this whole kind of thing I go through
because I like to talk to people, and I always
think of that song why the Clash or Lost in
the Supermarket? I think, and companies they reduce friction to
make more money, right yep, and so, and that always

(07:43):
involves removing the humans from the situation. And I like
to go to the supermarket and I like to chat
to the person that when I'm going through the checkout.
And I also like the idea that there's these jobs
that kids can do when they're growing up, like working
at a checkout, and you take those out, then what
do our kids teenagers do? And what do people do
is they're getting up and what do they do to
fund their way through studies if they can't work at checkout?

(08:06):
So I hit the checkout to try and keep check
out still going. And as I said recently, I went
to a fast food drive through and it was Ai
that got my order, and I'm like, never ever going
back there again, because hire a person to work there.
Hire a person to work there, and let's keep human
on human interaction going.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
What if it's crazy busy in the supermarket and it
is now because a lot of people are trying to
get ahead before Christmas, and so there's a massive line
at the checkout that's got an actual human there, Surely
at that point you'd sneak through the self service checkout
and say.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Wow, is it any quicker?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, good question.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't think it is. I don't think it's any quicker.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I used to think it was until I mean, most
of these computers.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Service has got a queue at my supermarket right down
the thing. You don't even know where the que starts.
You can't even get through down there to get to
your next aisle because theres so many people quelling for
the self service. I just slide it up with my trolley,
have a great old time chatting to the person that's
beeping me through. And you know, I like enjoying the
process of packing the bags together with the bagpacker. It's
a wholesome experience. We need to We need to kick that.

(09:10):
Kick that at our period, lose that at our pai,
all that human interaction.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh on one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Have we gone crazy on the self service
checkouts which is leading to more thefts and just bad
behavior in the supermarket? Do we need more.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Human and do you agree with Tyler that the supermarkets
deserve to get things stolen off them because they're running
self service checkout?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
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Speaker 3 (09:43):
New Talks, head Peak afternoon. We're just talking about this
issue I've got with my incredibly hot upstairs that I
can't figure out how to cool down. It's kicked off again,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, well, let's not get tragged down. No, no, we're
to miss and saying your aducting's not going to work.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's gonna work, man, We're gonna work.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
We talked about this for an hour yesterday. You're gonna
give it a go.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, I'm going to do it this weekend. I will
have photographic But.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The specim with deducting, you must understand.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I think just this text are high. Deducting won't work
hot your rises and coldier goes to the lowest points,
so by the time the ear gets to the top
of the ducting, it won't be cold. Plus the fan
won't be powerful enough to the whole room. That's from
granted I don't know. No, hang on a minute. By
the time it gets to the top, it won't be cold.
It will still be cold, I hope. So well would
it heat up? Just nodier rises, but it's being the

(10:29):
coldier is being pumped up, so it's not rising on
its own heat. Anyway, Let's not get into that.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's earning this money I know anyway, But I'll let
you know how wrong there. Yeah, plenty of teas coming
through on the self service checkouts. It's led to a
big increase in the thifs. This is on the back
of the brown onion hack. A lot of younger people,
primarily because the hack is going viral on TikTok, pulling
through fruit and vegie that are very expensive and they're

(10:55):
calling them brown onions because brown onions are cheaper forty
nine akilo.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, well, it's not a hack, it's theft.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
It definitely is theft.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
But hey, just because you could equally say I've got
I've hacked supermarkets. What you do is you wait till
no one's looking and then you shove some cheese down
in the front of your pants and you run out.
It's a hack. No, that's theft.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well, they did a study in the UK when these
self service checkouts came in and it led to get this.
People were twenty one times more likely to sneak past
or to steal items than via human cases. So twenty
one times more likely to steal with the self service checkout.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah right, and you're saying that the supermarkets deserve it
because they've got rid of they're not paying someone to
be there to mind them. And so if you're going
to do self checkout, then you're going to lose some product.
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I'm not saying they deserve it. I'm saying that they
knew it was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
You're saying something adjacent to eighty. What do you think
about this? Now, here's a text here. Knowing people in
management at both Kmart and Viarious supermarkets, they are prepared
for theft at self checkouts because it outweighs the cost
of employees that is calculated into the cost.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
That's exactly my point.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, but that doesn't make it right. No, No, but humans,
just just because you've calculated people's badness until your equi
agents doesn't make it make it right. This person here
on nine two nine to two agrees with me. Stop
using self checkouts. You are the cause of people losing
their jobs. Gamart, Warehouse, Bunning, Supermarkets no longer employing students,

(12:21):
and the thieves like Brien, the thieves like brown Onions
are causing prices going up at supermarkets. Now this happened,
increase the cost to cover the fraud. Yeah, because those costs,
I mean you know when you say that they're covering
those costs and they expect to lose a certain amount,
then that they cover them at your expense. Yeah, and
or expense of not hiring people that need jobs.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, just quickly before we go to Linda, I think
we're both arguing for the you know, the destruction of
self service checkouts, to get rid of them, but for
different reasons. I think that they increase thefts. You say
that you just love humans so much.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I just think the more human contact we can have
in society the better. And every time you have an efficiency,
you remove human contact, and that makes the world a
worse place and it makes service worse.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yep, nicely said Linda. How do you feel about this
self service checkouts or the increase of thievery?

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Yeah, I think it is theft. I've actually on more
than one occasion with two women, so it's just the
two different women, and I follow them into the supermarket,
more than one with young children. Those young children head
directly for the pick and MCS lollies and just start

(13:32):
helping themselves. And also the other woman, her child went
directly for the grapes and just starts helping them out.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And what and does the mum see this happening.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
Oh yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm going to describe that as poor parents. That is,
that's teaching someone bad lessons in life.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
What are they teaching the children? And on the self service,
I know that when you actually do get some items
likes of nuts and things like that, you can pick
your own if you pick a cheap one, like which
I actually do regularly because if there's a cheap one

(14:12):
when if I go through self service checkout, it requires authorization.
Ah right, So they may you may find that because
of this going on took and gloat, you know, social media,
you may find that they may start needing authorization on
self checkout for brown onions.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
The whole the self checkout thing really annoys me as well,
because although this happens at other checkout, I can't believe
they do this where they get the manager to come
along when you're buying alcohol to check on you, like
as if someone that works at account it can't work
out someone's age or take the idea often.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Where it doesn't know that's weird.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
But at the self service. The other day, I had
to go through a self service and I was buying
my energy drinks, and they wouldn't sell it to me
without someone registering me energy drink cheap, it's too far.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
That is also required so that the staff on that
check out can't serve their friends.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Have some trust in humanity though. Yeah, that whole standing there.
When you're really busy and you've gone through the checkout
and you're waiting for ages, well whoever, the authorized person
comes through and looks at me and goes, yeah, that
guy's dangerously old. That's fine, and he can drink and
let me go. So I think everyone in the entire
supermarket can tell that I'm over eighteen.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Without a word of a lie. They id'd me about
six months ago for ginger beer ginger beer, and the
poor girl and I had to explain and say, look,
there's no alcohol in this. I said, no, it's his
beer on it. I have to go get my manager
just to confirm.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I was at a thing that had a four drink
minimum recently, you know, and that's to stop people buying
more than four drinks. And I was buying four waters
and the person find in the counter went it's a
four drink minimum and I said it's water and they
said no, it's a four drink minimum. I was like, okay, well,
how much am I allowed to drink out of the
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Speaker 3 (17:49):
News Talk ZEDB. We're talking about self service checkouts. This
is on the back of the brown Onion hack. That's
doing the rounds on social media where people put through
their veggies and fruit, expensive veggiant fruit through the self
service checkout and pretend it's brown onions because brown onions
are cheap.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
And the terrible thing about it, as they're calling it
a life hack, a technical life hack, it's theft.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
That is an unethical life hack.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I've got a life hack when you're working in a business,
just steal things and take them home. It's not a
life hack, it's theft.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Term How are you this afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
I've got a legitimate uh legal hats for the supermarkets
gates employment and I do it all the time, and
I think stillings should do it. That's whenever you put
your trolley, don't return it to the thing, just leave
them then return it. The guy's are pitching the youth.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
What are you right?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh yeah, keep going mate, we just just watched it
for a bat carry on.

Speaker 9 (18:51):
Then retrieve their own trollig trolley out. Keep those guys employed.
That often people let's probably would find employment difficult. And
it doesn't cost.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
You a thing.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
You've said off off, I tell you what. We'll talk
about this a bit later on, honestly, which is the
shopping trolley theory on being a good human or not.
But I've never heard your opinion on it, Tim, because
I really want to talk about this. But the idea
that you just leave them leave them around to keep someone.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Employed, absolutely it creates a job.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, yeah, oh, thank you for that, Tim.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, I mean we're looking forward to this, this trolley theory.
I think I have heard this before, but we'll mention
it what in the next sort of ten minutes or so.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, the shopping trolley theory, which basically is away where
you can tell if someone's a good person or not.
And yeah, we'll get into that after the news.

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Speaker 3 (21:13):
Thank you very much, Raylian. We have been talking about
self service checkouts, but we won't transition it slightly.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah. No, well we keep talking about that and talk
about something else. So Tim was saying before, with shopping trolleys,
he doesn't return them when he's at the supermarket because
he wants to keep people employed. And there's a few
people that come through a nine two ninety two pointing
out the floor in his logic there as this Texas says,
throw your rubbish out the window. It creates a job
for person people. I mean, you could start assaulting people

(21:39):
in the street because it creates a job for police officers,
smashing windows because it creates job for glaziers.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Crash your car panel be dos need working and they
need to feed their families.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
There's a logic floor there, But I just thought i'd
share the shopping trolley theory with everyone. There's a claim
that the shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for
whether a person is capable of self governing and is
a good person. Here we go to return the shopping
cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we
all recognize is correct, and the appropriate thing to do

(22:11):
to return a shopping cart is objectively right. There is
no situation other than dire emergencies, in which a person
is not able to return the shopping cart. Simultaneously, it
is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore, the
shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether
a person will do it's right, whether being forced to
or not. No one will punish you for not returning
the shopping cart. No one will find you for not

(22:34):
returning the shopping cart. You gain nothing from returning the
shopping cart. But you must return the shopping cart out
of the goodness of your heart. You must return the
shopping cart because it is the right thing to do,
because it is correct. A person who is unable to
do this is no better than an animal. The shopping
cart is what determines whether a person is good or
a good or bad member of society. That is the
shopping cart theory.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
What's a great theory?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
What do you think about that? Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty I always return the shopping cart.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I've got some fish carry on, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I always. But here's my hack for supermarkets. It's not
stealing like you're supporting with the brown onions tyler. Is
that when you go to the supermarket, you don't park
closest to the entrance. You park closest to the trolley return.
So you park there right beside whether you're going to
return the trolley, then unload your shopping into the car,

(23:23):
and then it's very easy to return the trolley.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's an ethical hack, that is a good hack. So
here's my fish shock. And I don't always do this
because it can be particularly hard that I always return
the trolley to a trolley bay. But there's two sizes
of trolley right at the supermarket. Quite often you get
the smaller one, then you get the bigger one. And
the fact that they've been mixed up by various people
that thought they were doing the right thing. That's a
pain in the ass for the poor trolley boy or

(23:46):
girl that's got to grab the different sized trolleys and
put them in the right place, you know what I'm saying.
So you go to the trolley bay, you've got the
smaller trolley that can only fit sort of a small
amount of groceries, and then you get the big bad
boy that's for the family shop. Yep, they are mixed up.
So the trolley person.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well, that's because someone's made a mistake. Yeah, some once
makes them up. That doesn't take away from the inherent
good of returning it.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
But at that point, when I turn up with my trolley,
should I take it upon myself to try and rearrange them.
It's the right order, out of the goodness of my heart,
because that's the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
You'd be freaking mother Teresa if you do that, if
you took them all out and arrange them. Either that
if you've got like some kind of mental disorder where
you have to do that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
If you don't put your trolley back, give us a
bell on O E one hundred and eighty ten eighty
and tell us why John, how are you?

Speaker 10 (24:34):
Yeah, you guys just picked up on what you're saying
before about being aged, checked buying ginger bear and checked
for buying more than four orders. As you know, the
new legislation has just come in restricting supermarkets and sewing
bear and wine after nine pm.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
In the evening.

Speaker 10 (24:50):
Yeah, our local train the supermarket is implementing that and
including zero alcohol bears and zero alcohol wines.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
And that was stupid. That is that is the stupidest thing.
This is, this is something make it.

Speaker 10 (25:07):
I don't think I can think I was the get
easier for their check out up right, And there's no
no decision making me having made. It's just zero wine,
zero beer.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, but there there's absolutely no difference between a zero
alcohol beer and a fizzy drink. Yeah that, yeah, that's
exactly that's that's insanity. And things like that hurt my head.
I'm like, click, please, please please.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
The only reason I can think of is that they
just make it easier for this stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, you have. There'll be a reason. Actually, if someone
knows the reason eight hundred and eighty teen eighty, I'll
bend to hear. Yeah, because there will be a administrative
reason why that is, because otherwise if there isn't thing,
it can But otherwise it's completely insane.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And you can't argue the fact because quite often they're
eighteen nineteen twenty right, And you don't want to be
that guy that says, hey, can I just show you
there's no alcohol in here? You don't need to do this.
You've just got to go through that plava and wait
while the manager, who's busy enough comes over and says, yet,
it's all good, this on it.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
But the whole not being in all alcoh after nine
o'clock at supermarkets annoys me anyway. So if I'm if
I'm working late and going home and I want to
buy a bottle of wine to have you know, a
drink while I'm watching some sport or something. Yeah, why
should I get passed just because there's some imaginary people
out there that are going into supermarkets and abusing it? Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 10 (26:27):
I think think what you've got is the age old
thing of the majority suffering at the because of the
hands of a few idiots.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, it's just that. That's I think that's a disgusting
lord to judge me along with some people that can't
be trusted anyway.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Markets are a stressful place, aren't they? Self service checkout places, alcohol, malarkey,
and trolley's. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number of cores some idiots.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Texted nineteen nine two zero alcohol beers are all about
the liquor licensing, do your homo? Boys? Well, I shouldn't
have read that out as the stupid ast text I've
ever been sent.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It doesn't mean anything. It's like, zero alcohol beers are
all about the liquor of licensing. Boys, So then something
stupid because there's a stupid rule.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, if it's got no alcohol, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
What's the problem. It's too much of a Friday to
receive a text that done.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
You've got good text descent. It is twenty one, twenty
to two.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
You want your new home of afternoon tour mad Heathen
Taylor Adams Afternoon call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
News talks be.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
News talks there be. It is eighteen to two, Pete.
You want to have a chat about the self service checkouts?

Speaker 12 (27:33):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, we're got I pick
on both both of the topics. And basic self service
checkout when it first came in, I'm from your Plymouth here.
You go to any other store to get seen me
as a chemist or a shoe shop, whatever you wants
have people serving you that year.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, So why do you.

Speaker 12 (27:52):
Think the supermarket should be different from them? You were
going there Without them, they wouldn't have a business, or
the owner of that supermarket whatever. So I reckon it's disgusting.
You have the option whether you want to self deive,
that's your right. But then if I truly full of
grocery when at first they started bringing here in New
Plymouth and there's one lady, there's nobody at the checkouts,

(28:15):
and there's one lady at the self serving there, and
I don't I had a bit of money in that trolley,
and I actually protested about it. What I did was,
I said, well, why aren't you just you only you're
the only one here that's coming on towards closing time,
And I said, why aren't you at the checkout?

Speaker 5 (28:33):
You know?

Speaker 12 (28:33):
And you wouldn't. They wouldn't have to, she wouldn't even
have to be at the self serving. She should have
just served me like a normal customer. That's what I did.
I just left the trolley and walked out.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
How did they respond to that beat? That's a bold move.

Speaker 12 (28:44):
Well, I said, it's not smrong, I said the lad
I look picking on you. You've got a job to do,
but it's very rude here at the self service. You've
got a whole trolley full of groceries pretty much, and
you could be serving me at the counter like a
normal you normally do.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
I think it's wrong.

Speaker 12 (28:59):
So the principles, everyone will walk there anyway and end
up going to the media about I got in the
mid middle midweek here as well. I try protest. It
made it quite clear that you should actually be serving
the sort of supermarkets. I don't feel sorry for them.
I don't encourage fift I don't steal, so they sort
of left themselves open for this to happen. There's a
lot of poor people out there. What are they there

(29:21):
there to go to supermarkets? So you're sorry for them,
but I do believe also in Europe now I've actually
taking them out some of the supermarkets. They found out
they're losing too much for the amount they try to save,
and wages cost them more at the till what they're
gaining by not paying someone at the till.

Speaker 13 (29:36):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes, I think there was this news story not so
long ago. I think it was a British chain of
supermarkets has gone as removed all of their self service
because they came to the conclusion that it was wasn't
outful and you know, it wasn't forming brand loyalty, and
also there was just too much problem. So there might
be a movement in the future away from them because

(29:56):
personally I hate them. I'll always go through the check
and I want to talk to I want to talk
to someone, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (30:01):
Yeah, yeah, then you give me you get them a
matter the super marks. They're doing it right, they're doing
it right. They're not as on poverty. Other you don't
see many supermarkets going down to your going to receivership
deals they do, and they'd always make it up the
only get on averages they reckon. They about listen to
talk about show all the time. They're reckon to be
out three or four of us. And that's the actual
total purno over they make. They make more than that.

(30:22):
They have. All these I call them these theories try
to justify their cause as not any being in the
in the supermarket industry. I think I think they're doing it.
You look at all the owners who own supermarkets. They're
usually pretty wealthy people.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
They can't be all that best.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Pretty well, go back about.

Speaker 12 (30:38):
The grocery trolleys anyway barizing is doing. You should put
them back in the into the store to where you
should put them in their little booths or whatever, because
if everybody left their trolleys around, it'll be chaos. And
those in those car car parks, and then they've got
all these guys them go that they pay those guys
for them, but then they've got to pay someone else

(30:59):
to go. They say, you're not. You're going to pay
for it anyway, So why don't you just call it pup?
That's one thing you can do. It's like cleaning your
bottles and that for your recycle stuff. Clean them, clean them,
so the people that do the recycling, they're not dealing
with smelly milk bottles or whatever. We all do our
part in the world's editory. You're like you, they owe you,
but you're going to get away from that way of

(31:20):
thinking I'm back and then they then guarantee those people.
You just one guy, you spoke before the trolley puts it.
Someone pushes the trolley into this car, you be complaining.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, are you within your right Pete if you see
someone who's not taking their trolley back to grab that
trolley and just put that right behind their car as
they're getting there and so they can't back out. Are
within your right to do that?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Whether you let the supermarket vigilenty.

Speaker 12 (31:42):
I haven't done that, yes, but it's not a bad
idea though.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Whether they might, you lose the goodness.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think you lose that high ground there. You should
just have the warm feeling in your heart that you've
done the right thing. Returning the trolley. You need to
police it for the supermaking that might be going too far.
So can we go back to this thank you so
much for you call pete, So go back to this thing. So,
so I was saying before with the zero alcohol, so

(32:09):
why can't you buy zero aircraft nine o'clock at the
supermarkets with the laws come in around that, and people
keep saying because that's the rules. My question is why
is that the rule? There must be a reason why
someone has decided to come up with the stupidest rule
of all time that you can't because it's being opposed
on bottle stores in supermarkets, the nine o'clock rule, right,

(32:32):
So what is the people that are making up the
rule that have made that law, what is their logic
on zero alcohol which and people are saying, well zero
alco can have it up to two point five percent. No,
zero alcohol has to have zero less than five percent, right,
but you can get that much and you know.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Ca butcher butcher ginger beer. I mean there's a few
products that have that real residual amount of alcohol that
isn't covered under that law, right.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, So why did they add that? Why did they
add why did they include zero alcohol when it's not
alcohol and the alcohol after nine o'clock laws, it seems
insane to me.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you know,
love to hear from you nine to nine till it's
the text number. Kevin, you do want to have a
chat about alcohol and supermarkets?

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (33:17):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be a good thing. Here goes. I'll
listen to you. I listen to your conversations, and I
think I think it's a blanket idea. After nine o'clock
boom zero. You don't care, that's that's fine. I don't
care about zero or one percent.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Cuff time.

Speaker 14 (33:35):
If you can't organize your life to get to work
and then or if you go to work, or if
you do work and you need to have a barbecue
or something, you can't organize your life after nine o'clock. Well,
I don't see why people have to worry about fide
alcohol at nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Because I want to because I want to buy Arclift
nine o'clock and I don't call, and I don't cause
any problems in society. So you're trying to solve problems
by bear but not sailing alcohol after nine o'clock that
I don't cause.

Speaker 14 (34:06):
No, No, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I don't want to buy it after I want to
buy it after nine o'clock.

Speaker 14 (34:12):
Well, that's your problem.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, that's my problem, because they're not they're trying to
not sell it after nine o'clock. So it is my problem.
But I don't think it should be my problem. I
think I think it's that. I think it's problem. I
think you're punishing that you're punishing the majority for the
behavior of the minority, and I don't think that's right.

Speaker 14 (34:30):
I'm sixty three years old and I've been around this
world a long time, and if you're going to ever
be around to pick it up, behay boughs and stuff,
you do it after six or seven o'clock. M You
don't go in the super market.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
At nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, I want to.

Speaker 11 (34:47):
Then you just have a cup of tea.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, Kevin, I want to pick up a bottle of
wine after nine. I often often have to work late
in various things, and maybe I want to pick up
a bottle of wine. Maybe I'm going around to a
friend's house and I want to pick it up at nine,
and I haven't organized it and I'm not going to
cause any problem. So I think it's a bad idea,
and I think it's punishing the majority for the behavior
of the minority.

Speaker 11 (35:10):
I don't pick it up at nine o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
No, I want to get it at nine oh one.
That's when I like to buy my wine. Why shouldn't
I be allowed to?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, that's a good question. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Nine two nine two is
the text number. It is ten to two.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Matdeeth, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty
Madeth and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
It be news talks, it'd be seven to two.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Certainly kicked off a bit of a hornet snaz.

Speaker 15 (35:43):
Well.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
A lot of people agreen with you that you should
be able to have your little bottle of wine after
nine o'clock, if you so choose a nice glass of reds.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Those rules just so annoying me. They just made up.
It's okay, Yeah, it's really gonna that's going to change
the world, isn't it? Because I can't buy a bottle
of wine from the supermarket.

Speaker 16 (35:59):
On the way hand, at nine.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
O'clock, here we go solved to alcoholism sold violence are solved. Stupid, right,
what's your feeling about this?

Speaker 15 (36:09):
So I reckon you shipped out by alcohol nine o'clock.
I agree with him, Matt, I reckon, it's yeah, persecuting
in minority for what majority dates you don't have a
problem with, but actually really reminds me of when they
start to close all the bars and clubs at four
o'clock in the morning. Yeah, now, Matt, I feel like
you're prayed about the same agent they So you'll remember
in the late nineties to early two thousands, you go

(36:33):
to Caliber and Carrier at seven o'clock in the morning,
go on to supper clup of bears that you've gone
to stop a clop of bears the streets until lunchtime
on Saturday or Sunday.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
It was sopper club. That was that supper club, that
sort of triangular brick situation. Am I getting the right
place one that?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (36:53):
The one that kind of looked like a looked like
a train station. Am. And it was in Bears for
the street.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, And I ended up there on a number of occasions.

Speaker 15 (37:04):
Do you go, We probably know each other. But as
you had the situation where people were going out to
have a good time, not causing the problems, and the
government built and council decides for shaving down up for him,
and in my opinion, it killed the clothing scene. Yeah,
and for me, the alhol thing's a little bit the same.

(37:26):
So if there's a problem with family violence, or if
there's a problem with crime related to alcohol consumption, hey,
let's come down hard onment. Like you know, if the
problem with drink driving again the same, let's come down
hard on it. If there's problems related to alcohol, let's
address that. Yeah, let's not cry as all the people
who are wanting to buy a bottle of wine at

(37:48):
you know, nine ten eleven o'clock at night and who
aren't causing problems.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, exactly punish the people that commit the crime. I
even think it's weird, and this will probably be controversial,
the idea that people can't be sold alcohol when they're
when they're intoxicated, because that's just a state of mind.
You're going to You're going to blame me for the
state of my brain. My brain is what my brain is.
If I'm not committing any crimes and there's no and

(38:13):
not doing anything wrong, then what's the crime that's been cut.
I'm a pretty intelligent guy. I might have made myself
about as stupid as your average person. You know, it's
a level of intoxication.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
I mean, where's the line everyone's indipicated back?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So you've been blamed because some people
get angry or you know, in the nine o'clock things,
some people commit crimes and some people are drinking too
much or whatever. But you know, I've seen people lining
up out the front of bottle stores at nine am
to get their bottles of gin.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know, if you're an alcoholic, you'll find you'll you'll
you're the nine pm is not going to be the
thing that stops you.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
How does the casino get away with that? I'm pretty
sure you can drink twenty four seven at the casino,
can you.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
That's all right because they're doing the good of allowing
people to gamble.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, ray, you're a good man, Thank you very much.
O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to cool. If you want to jump in on
this one. Quick updates on the cricket. As soon as
we get out of upstairs, we'll give you that update
very shortly. Quick text here guys, if you want to
buy a bottle of wine after nine pm, go to
a bottle store. First World issues also I always use

(39:20):
the self service checkout.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Hey, So to that person, if you want to buy
a bottle of wine after an APM, go to the
bottle store. Nah, I want to buy it at the supermarket.
So I'm annoyed that it's not. I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Anymore, cheaper, better pinots there.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
No, just I want it because it's it's stop on
the way home. I'm buying already buying some other food
for breakfast.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, three minutes to two. We'll see on the other side.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Maddie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk SEBBE.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
How do you welcome into Friday afternoon six pass too
great to have your company as always.

Speaker 16 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
So the cricket, it is one hundred and sixty four
for four. We had them seventy for four and it's
slipping away from us a little bit again. We won
the task and we put shows to field brooks now
on seventy five, one hundred and seventy one down at Hagley.
So he's going well again. Popelond forty four. They're looking
pretty comfortable down at the basin A beautiful day down
there in Wellington, and I absolutely love the Basin Reserve.

(40:20):
People are lucky enough to be going along to any
of these any of these days over this test, then
congratulations to you.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Jealous, Yeah, lucky ol beggers. Right on to the next topic.
We want to have a chat about this for the
next hour or so. Bitcoin it's catapulted above one hundred
thousand dollars US late yesterday, so that's one hundred and
seventy thousand dollars New Zealand per bitcoin. That is the
first time it's reached that Miles Stone and a lot

(40:49):
of it has been put down to the re election
on Donald Trump. He has been quite a supporter of
the cryptocurrency space, and even skeptics are now saying there's
a potential for the lunks of bitcoin to enter into
the mainstream financial industry so to speak.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, but I mean it's just periodically just absolutely crashes, right,
So I don't know much about it. I never get
onto it. I got into it, so I've had a
bit of a fear of missing out. So when it
goes up, I feel like I missed an opportunity. When
it goes down, I go I feel better about myself.
But it's one of those classic things, though, isn't it.
You know, you should have bought a house in Queenstown
and it's nineteen eighty five or whatever where it was,

(41:28):
or well, you know, invested in AI chips as a
certain friend of mine did a couple of years ago.
It's done very well.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Born apple stock back in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, there's all these things. There's all these could as
should of woods. But I don't. I've never been part
of bitcoin, and so when you say it's up this high,
I feel like it's going to collapse again. But I don't.
I don't know that as the train left the station,
you know of the outsized profits you can get from it,
or I mean, it seems to me you'd be wise

(41:57):
if it's this high, to wait until it crashes again
and buys it, you know, by by low sell it,
by low sell high.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, but one time it's going to go down and
not come back, or is it he's going to keep
going up? I mean bitcoin, it's is restricted amount of bitcoin.
You know that there's a solid amount. It's only being
divided up now.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
But that's what I can't understand is where's the value.
What do you do with bitcoin? And hand up? I
purchased some bitcoin and I lost money in it because
I sold it at the right time, all that sort
of stuff. But even when I purchased it, I got
on the hype train because everyone was talking about it,
and yes I should have held it. I didn't, but
because I didn't really understand it, and I still don't.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Well, there are ways you can turn it into cash,
you know, into you know, standard currency. There's ways you
can do it, and you know you can spend up
large on the dark web with it, you know. To
be honest, I don't know much about it, and I
think that is because I missed the train. I don't
like to think about it so much because I feel
like I could have made a lot of money if

(42:53):
i'd got on it. But is it? Is it at
its peak?

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Does it have a future as being a legitimate currency?
I mean, what was the country? I forget it right now.
It slipped down in my mind that floated the idea
of having bitcoin as its currency.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
That's right. It was one of the South Americans, wasn't
It was an equidor yeah, And I don't think that
worked out too well. For them that did it.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, will it ever be mainstream or is it just
an opportunity to make outsize gains.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
To me, it feels like a Ponzi scheme. I'll be honest.
I mean, I look at the likes of NFT. Remember
n FT, these digital little photographs. Everyone got really excited
by them. Justin Bieber had a few. He thought these
little pictures of monkeys were worth three hundred thousand dollars
a year. Wes and that crashed and crashed badly and
that's not coming back.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
But NFT's never passed the sniff test because I mean,
I mean, everyone that was smart thought about and going,
well that this is just a digital image. You can
copy and paste it as many times as you want,
or this is just a digital file or whatever it is.
You know, it was never going to be the same
as art because you know, you might buy a piece
of art because we love things to be scarce. Humans
love scarce things, and you know that the artist has

(44:01):
touched that and there's only one of them that counts.
That's why a print of art isn't worth as much
as the original art. Yeah, you know you can, you
know you can print twenty five thousand copies of a
piece of art, but you can only have one of
the originals. That's another issue. But is bitcoin for real?
Is cryptocurrency for real?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two niney two
is the text number? Is it real? And is it
going to end in tears? For a lot of people
love to hear from you on this one. It is
twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Your new home of afternoon Talk and eaton Tyler Adams
Afternoon Call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Be good afternoon. We're talking about bitcoin. It has just
gone above one hundred thousand US per coin for the
first time. That's one hundred and seventy thousand dollars US,
which is a meteoric rise for a digital currency. If
you are on the bitcoin train, love to hear from you.
What are you seeing it? Do you genuinely believe this

(44:58):
is the future of money, as a lot of these
crypto people do. I just can't see it.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, it's interesting because you said that you see this
a bit of a Ponzi scheme. But someone said, you know,
the stock market is Ponzi scheme as well. Then as
person says, people after you buy at a higher price,
give you their value. And Ecuador and Ol Salvador are
two different countries. Come on, guys, at least get the
facts right. Who said that Ecuador and ol Salvador or
the same country. So the first half of year around

(45:25):
text makes sense. Your second half makes a zero sense
at all. No one said that thing anyway, It doesn't matter.
I mean, yeah, yeah. You could say the same things
about the stock market, right and different companies on the
stock market, and you know how many times have we
had booms and busts, and you know, just talk about
the AI bubble right now. You know what, people get
excited about the story that goes ahead and then it
turns out the fundamentals weren't there. It's happened so many

(45:46):
times in the stock market.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
It's a good points like that game stock situation where
there was one feller on Reddit that said that game
stock was undervalued and then it kind of took off
that everyone started buying up stock of game stock and
it just went through the roof. Ben, you've got a
bit of money and bitcoin, Yes.

Speaker 17 (46:03):
I put five hundred bucks and picking think it was
twenty seventeen when ended up going through the roof up
to sixteen grander coin and then I've got yeah, five
hundred bucks in and then a boomer crashed down to
about I think about four or five thousand dollars a coin,
and I just left it. It's yeah, it's exceeded. I
think what I've got on there is quest to twelve

(46:24):
grand now, so that five grand has become about twelve grand.
I think five hundred has become about twelve grands. So
the way I say, and just like what Elon Musk,
is as long as governments borrow big money and inflation
is about and you know you've got the risk of
a currency collapse because the government's training under debt, Bitcoin's

(46:45):
always going to be a good bit because you know,
people would rather put the money into something then leave
it in the bank when potentially the currency could collapse
at some point. So yeah, as long as as long
as government has rien debt, bitcoin's always going to be
a good bit.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Well that's the argument for it, isn't that because there's
never going to be more bitcoin. It's just being broken
up right now. Whereas we're countit of easing and such,
governments can just massively devalue your dollar. So your your
dollar can can just change it's worth and things that
you have no control over. But so would you just
so you said that you've got about twelve thousand dollars

(47:24):
worth now, and you know it's at these peaks. Are
you just going to leave it in there? Are you
going to leave it in there? Or are you going
to you know, what would it take for you to
take it back out and cash in?

Speaker 17 (47:35):
I think if it went to about two fifty a coin,
you know, two hundred and fifty grand, I might catch
it out then, but I started with five hundred bucks.
If it goes down, and but I'm not so worried,
I'm not I'm not going to lose any money soon.
But you know, like, yes, I'm basically waiting for the
next financial crash life in two thousand and eight, two

(47:55):
thousand and nine we had And yeah, no, I've got
no doubt bitcoin might reach three or four hundred thousand
bucks a coin.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
You reckon your bitcoin is secure being you know, you
hear a lot of stories of people who have their
cryptocurrency taken away from them by scammers or these crypto
exchanges being shut down. Do you worry about that?

Speaker 17 (48:16):
Yeah, I've never had an issue with that, but a lot.
Like I said, I started with five hundred. But so
if it does go, you know, can cow you know,
I'm I'm only losing five hundred bucks. I don't have
like you know a lot of people more wage their
house up to the hill and chuck it and bitcoin
and that. You know, I don't have that, So I'm
not too concerned.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yeah, interesting, Ben, thank you very much. A lot of
techs coming through here to get a guys. I almost
bought three thousand dollars worth when bitcoin were about two
dollars a coin, but because I didn't understand it, I
never bothered. Even at sixty thousand dollars, I would have
done very nicely. Ah, well as you see it, Matt
shoulder Water could I.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Know that's the thing. You can't go through life doing
that kind of thing. If you go on holiday, you're
down at the beach or something, and you just spend
your entire holiday looking at these properties, going if only
twenty five years ago I visited here, I'd bought a
property here. Now it would be worth money. It's like
you did it. You did it, and the past isn't
a realm you live in. But bitcoin going forward. So

(49:17):
if it if it crashes again and you buy, because
it's quite expensive to buy right now. I mean you
can buy parts of it obviously, but it's quite expensive.
Is it just going to come back up because last
time it crashed I thought, oh, well, maybe that's bitcoin done.
But it's come back even stronger.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
So good question. Why why is it keep coming back stronger?
Obviously the reelection of Donald Trump as a part of that.
But if you're in the bitcoin space, love to hear
from you. On Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two is a text number. Also, you know,
I think about those guys that had bitcoin in the
very early days and put it in one of these wallets,
then forgot the password and we're talking there was one

(49:54):
guy who had three hundred million dollars worth.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well, there's that guy that's still going through that dump
looking through his USB stack.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Poor.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
That is a sad Gollum like situation that that guy
is in this texture On nine two nine two says
bitcoin will become a very dominant trolling currency in the
digital world we are heading into. Living could possibly worth
up to one million dollars within the next five to
ten years. And it's going to surprise everyone. So that
texture is all in on.

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Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 3 (51:33):
We're talking about bitcoin. It has hit historic levels US
one hundred thousand dollars per coin. When you look at
the fact that was around about three thousand dollars New
Zealand just six years ago. That is a huge increase.
So where is the value on bitcoin? If you're on
the bitcoin train, love to hear from you on eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. How much did you have, Tyler? I, Well,

(51:55):
here's the thing that really rips my undies as I
purchased it in twenty seventeen when it was three thousand
per coin. So if i'd kept that bitcoin, but of
course I and I still don't. I think it's a
bit of a Ponzi scheme that I road the waves
where I made some money then last to a lot
of money, and I kept pumping a little bit of
money into it. That's why I think because I was

(52:15):
one of those people holding the bag at the end,
A lot of people at the top made a lot
of money. People like me lost a lot of money.
But I think it's going to happen again.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, best get held on than you had been doing well. Yeah, yeah,
the same with the same with a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, I reckon Simon might have held on. Get a Simon.

Speaker 11 (52:33):
Good a. Boys. I was just listening to the start
of this show here and I thought I was just
sit here and listen to this, but I just couldn't
help myself and I had to bring up there's a
much bigger picture to cryptocurrency than than what you guys
are talking about. And I think Tyler, you are quite
uninformed about about bitcoin. I don't believe it's a Ponzi

(52:56):
scheme at all.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
And enlightened me Simon.

Speaker 11 (53:01):
I mean, there's been all sorts of talk and time's
gone by that cryptocurrency was for drug dealers and bank robbers.
There's all these transactions were being done on the on
the street corner, which may well have been the case
in years gone by. But whenever you see the police
doing a big raid on a gang, you always see
piles and piles of cash, So you know cash is

(53:24):
equally as bad as you know it's no different. But
but but cryptocurrency, Bitcoin in particular is what you might
cause store store of value, and the fear currency system
is somewhat fraudulent. It's lost something like about ninety of

(53:47):
its value.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
What's what's the what's sorry, just what's the dollars?

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Dollars?

Speaker 11 (53:54):
Dollars. It's lost a vast proportion of its its of
its value due to inflation. So you know, we're in
we're in spot of trouble. And and over over time,
history has shown us that not one single form of

(54:15):
currency has ever lasted the distance, but all failed. And
we're heading that way with the with the with the
current system as we know it.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, I've got some she I've got some shekels for you.
That for you, I'll trade you some shekels for your bitcoin.

Speaker 11 (54:32):
Well, we did used to use shells, and we did
used to use tobacco and salt and rocks and boulders
and all those sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
And tobacco was quite recently a big part of the
in America, wasn't it. The tobacco was a huge part
of it.

Speaker 12 (54:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (54:48):
Well what happened, of course, was and it was the
same with the shells and the same with the salt
was it was that people found ways of making more
of us.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 11 (54:56):
So somebody went off and grew some more tobacco somewhere else.
And that's exactly what's happening with with with currency, is
that they just keep making more of it and then
it becomes worth less and that's what causes the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
So I get the argument simon that something only has
value if people believe it has value. You know, if
we look at coins and paper money, we can't really
do anything with those apart from spend them as currency
because we all believe it's got value. And that's the
same with bitcoin.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
But when you look at the governments around the world
now starting to try and get into digital currency themselves,
does that worry you that they will trample over the
likes of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

Speaker 11 (55:33):
I think it's probably in their best interests to try
and work with it, because we do live in a
digital world, you know. I mean, bitcoin is digital. Gold,
dollars and cents is analogue. It's old score stuff. I mean,

(55:54):
for the people out here that are listening, I mean,
this is the first global private, digital decentralized rules based
monetary system and history.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
So yeah, it's quite big.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
It's quite a thing. But one thing that the old
currencies have, you take the US dollar for example, is
they have an army that back them up. So if
a government decides to make a decision, and you see
a little bit of this in China, if they decide
to make a decision against a digital currency, they can
just they can just shut it down using the violence
that the state has it at its hand. Is that

(56:31):
something that you can can see being a problem in
the future.

Speaker 11 (56:36):
I yeah, Look, I don't know about that. That's bigger
than my that's bigger than my pay my pay scale,
you know. I mean, bitcoin in particular is considered it's
not considered a security and a security as things like
shears and bonds. Bitcoin is regarded as a commodity such

(56:57):
as like gold or nickel or something like that. So
it's it's in. The ten largest fund managers in America
are all allowed to deal with them, and that's only
been something since. So about March this year, it was
illegal four of the fund managers to buy it, and
now they are and they are.

Speaker 14 (57:18):
In Donkey Deep.

Speaker 11 (57:20):
Now there are a lot of people over there and.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
So we're talking about bitcoin here, of cose, of course
there's a number of cryptocurrencies out there. In your opinion,
how many of them are secure and have the same
solidity of say Bitcoin, the same credibility.

Speaker 11 (57:38):
Well, there's a bloke in the States called Michael Saylor,
and those who have crypto bitcoin will know that name. Well,
here's what you'd call a bitcoin maximalist. As far as
he's concerned, and I tend to agree with him. There
is really only one crypto currency that Bitcoin. The rest
of them are s hi t really just crazy.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
But Bitcoin's never going to be used as a currency though,
as at Simon, due to the fact that it's not stable.
I understand there are stable coins that exist in the
crypto space, but Bitcoin is not that.

Speaker 11 (58:11):
Not right at the moment, but in time to come,
once the world once once, once it develops, it could
look it could take decades. Well it will take decades
and decades and decades, but you will eventually be able
to and you can do it now.

Speaker 15 (58:25):
You will be.

Speaker 11 (58:25):
Able to transact using bitcoin with your phone. Well, and
the good thing about it is that, I mean, if
you compare bitcoin to gold, if you needed to move
a million dollars worth of gold from New Zealand to America.
It's going to take a long time, it's going to
be really expensive, and of course it's very very heavy.

(58:48):
But if you wanted to move a million dollars worth
of coin, you can do it at the speed of
life for ten dollars. It's really it's really cheap and
it's really fast. So it's got a lot of properties
that other things don't have.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Advantageous reserve bank decisions will become an interesting thing. The
O c R I Bitcoin, which is international and you
know outside of government control, becomes a thing.

Speaker 11 (59:19):
That well, banks will hate it, and the government will
hate it because I because I because they lose control
over it. I mean they control the currency system now
they just pump a bit more in whenever they need it,
and they control things by fisuing money or taking a
bit away, you know, and they will hate it because
they've got no control over it. And then that's great
for the citizens because you do control it. One hundred

(59:41):
senior control it, and you know, you can lose it
by losing your your wallet and all those sorts of things,
or your your passwords, all those sorts of things. But
you can lose your cash as well.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah. Interesting. Just before you go, Simon, what's your cat's name?
I heard your wee cat in the background says A
double beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yea not bitcoin.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
So I thank you very much, mate, will carry this
on after the headlines. I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you're all in on bitcoin or cryptocurrency, why love
to hear from you. That was very good from Simon.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Interesting and and if it scares you because in a
world of bitcoin, how are we taxing to pay for
schools and roads and healthcare and such?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, it is twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about bitcoin after
it hit historic highs of US one hundred thousand dollars
about one hundred and seventy k New Zealand. Is there
a mess of future and bitcoin? Is that the future
of currency? As one of our previous callers Simon said, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Simon made a really good point about people talking about
bitcoin being dodgy, but there's nothing dodgy than cash. Cash
is pretty dodgy. Yeah, you know, criminals can can use
cash without any kind of paper trail.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, absolutely, Robert, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
I'm good? Thanks, guys, how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Good? Now you're heavily involved in the crypto site, well,
the investment side of crypto, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
I am.

Speaker 9 (01:02:32):
And actually I was really liking what Simon was saying
about bitcoin and everything that you said. I agree with
with the Michael Sailors. And to add to what he
was saying, the governments had been buying institutional buyers had
been buying bitcoin because it is a store of value,
it is digital gold, and it will ultimately replace the

(01:02:53):
whole financial system because as he was saying, just to
add to what Simon was saying, is it to be
fair that if you look at go back in history,
financial systems only usually last one hundred to one hundred
and twenty years before they wiped out. Where I draw
the line is what the reason why I called was
because Simon was going so well, and then he turned

(01:03:16):
around and said all the other old coins or the
other cryptocurrencies are shit, and that just raised here's on
my back of my neck because this is this is ignorance.
I'm sorry, but Simon was right up to a point,
but this is absolutely ignorance. And let me just explain quickly, please.
So there are companies out there and I won't name

(01:03:40):
them because I've invested in them. They have global partners
like Dell, Boeing, Amazon, Mondolai, which is the largest snack
manufacturer in the world, that have come on chain. When
we refer to distributed ledge of technologies, this is a
new Web three, smart contracts, all these terms that probably

(01:04:04):
lot of listeners don't even understand. And it's not because
it's just because crypto is new. So where I'm getting
to in this conversation is that we're shifting from Web
two to Web three, which is the third generation of
the World Wide Web, and it's referred to as Web
three because it emphasizes the emersions into the digital world.

(01:04:28):
So when Simon says that all the other cryptocurrencies are shit,
this is absolute ignorance because the situation is that there
are fortune five hundred companies that are buying into these
ecosystems outside of Bitcoin that are basically shifting the game

(01:04:50):
plan and moving us into a world of Web three
and digitalization, whether it's for payment rails systems. So I'll
give an example is a company called a Payment Australian
payment plus. They control all the FPOs transactions what we
call micropayments. Guess what, it's all being supported now by

(01:05:13):
some of these digital cryptocurrencies. So he's far removed from
the reality that it's not just about bitcoin. There are
developers building on these ecosystems and they are growing out.
So point in case, the company I was talking about earlier, Google, Amazon,

(01:05:34):
Manderlay Ittashi, these are governing council members who control the
nodes on the network. And this particular company which I
remain nameless because it's not investment advice, they're working with
a company called wise Sat. We're putting satellites in space
right now as we're having this conversation, and they're working

(01:05:56):
with SpaceX Neilon Musk's company, because they will be the
new payment systems that will literally shift the old I
guess the FUNCT system and make it more efficient. Anyway,
I mean, this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Is this is good right, and clearly there are other
systems and coins out there that have a lot of
hope behind them. But clearly you'd except there are coins
out there, mean coins for example, or even FTX. You
know when that went down and how much money they
lost in the system, it does feel still a little
bit wild West in that crypto space.

Speaker 9 (01:06:35):
Well, well that's that's because regulation wasn't around, and this
is the this is the catch. Twenty twenty four was
all about getting rid of the bad actors like Sam
Dagman phrase the ftxs, all the other companies that fell over,
because in any industry, financial industry, you have to have regulation.

(01:06:58):
And once you have regulation or clarity of regulation, that's
when the institutional invests like Blackrock get the green on
it and they managing fifteen trillion of funds under management
or JP Morgan you know, so Jamie Diamond, all those people.
These were the people, the Black Rocks and the JP

(01:07:19):
Morgan's in all the other companies institutions that were telling
me one to stay awa from bitcoin three years ago.
Why because they were building exchanges and they were accumulating it.
Because they did not want the wealthy, the mainstream people
to get rich. This is the fair thing. So they

(01:07:40):
were putting people off bitcoin. And then you got the
Michael saylors like the Strategy who was actually removed from
his own company because he was buying bitcoin at thirty
thousand and that one was.

Speaker 18 (01:07:52):
Laughing at him.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
And now look at him. Now, he's just accumulating it
because they know there's only a supply of twenty one million.
And all these countries are now using bitcoin as a
store of value because the financial system, as Simon said,
it is broken.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, but that's that's where it could be interesting going
forward for a small country like New Zealand. You talking
about these big players, these big financial players coming in
and if a country like New Zealand can't regulate its
currency and can't run its fiscal policy and the you know,
the the the currency that we use, if it became
primarily bitcoin or some kind of cryptocurrency, then what does

(01:08:35):
that mean for the future of a tiny little country
like New Zealand. That's you know, out it's out at
sea on the on the on the on the economic waves.

Speaker 9 (01:08:45):
One of myself. Yeah, I look, I believe that. Yeah,
I believe currency. Currency is going to remain for a
good he is, at least before it fades out. And
if you just look at all central banks around the world,

(01:09:05):
they're creating CDCs, central banktis currencies, and that's part of
the new financial system. And we're in the greatest period
of our time. This is the greatest financial reset of
our generations. And we're now at the forefront of this
new technology. Now, if we look at cryptocurrency, and you

(01:09:27):
mentioned bad actors we're talking about earlier, Proud is that
the kycs and the amls and anti money undering and
the know your customers. It's all changed. Like seriously, these
enterprises are now coming into these cryptos that have been
regulated because as I said, number one, you regulate the industry.

(01:09:52):
Number two, enterprise follows comes in, they get the green light.
Institutents get the green light to put their investment, investors,
the clients into the bitcoins and ms xrps have just
gone through another court case which they deal with cross
border payment. So all the unbanked around the world, all
the money in sunbanks can now be transferred around the

(01:10:15):
world and in time to consensus or transactions three seconds
using XRPS technology or Ripple's technology. Ripple are now advisors
the Donald Trump's crypto team. I mean, it's all there,
it's all happening, and people this is the fourth This
is the next stage of the fourth Industrial Revolution. Point

(01:10:37):
number one. Number two is that we are now in
the phase of web pree, smart contracts, decentralized finance, and
this version of the emphasizes personal data ownerships as well.
People've been talking about for a few years now, is
that the blockchain technology is transparent and it's fast, and

(01:10:57):
it's efficient, and we've moved to another level that actors
are gone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, well listening, We've got to go, But thank you
so much for you call Robert very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to hear
your thoughts on the one. It is a quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four you've talked, say'd.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Be good afternoon. We're talking about bitcoin. It has cranked
the US one hundred thousand dollar mark per coin. Aaron,
you've been involved for a number of years.

Speaker 15 (01:11:31):
Yeah, hey, guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 12 (01:11:32):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Got ya here?

Speaker 15 (01:11:33):
You're good, nice, nice, Yeah, it's a it's a very
special time, you know, to see it go to such
a milestone. I mean, I think echoing a lot of
what the last two callers, the gentleman Holds have been
talking about holds a lot of weight. And if you
think back, you know, five to ten years ago bitcoin,
the onus was on almost like the developers of bitcoin

(01:11:54):
to prove you know, the theory behind it. But you
look now like the guys who said that last Paul's
You've got the biggest names in the institutional finance backing
it and saying that this does have a store of value.

Speaker 11 (01:12:07):
So it's interesting.

Speaker 15 (01:12:08):
I mean, I would just urge everyone to research and
learn about it, because it's good to learn about new
things instead of being afraid.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Same with ADI, you.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
Know, the same type of things that they're.

Speaker 15 (01:12:17):
Developing so quick you want to learn about them, so
obviously pull all your money into them and switch all
your investments to bitcoin because it's volatile, So you know,
if you have a look at it like that, it's
it's a little more easy to digest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
How much how much do you think that bitcoin's going
to take over? At last quarter was saying that it's
only amount of time for ten years or something, and
what would what would that mean for people's mortgages and
people that that that are currently operating in the the
the NZ dollar, if it's going to be replaced by
some kind of global uh chain chain currency.

Speaker 15 (01:12:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think the fear the fear involved
were not fear, but just the skeptical skepticism behind national
currency is being replaced by, you know, a global currency.
We probably got quite a few ways away from that
decades even, but I think what what's already maturing and
people will see this probably in the next three to
five years. In my opinion is that because bitcoin holds

(01:13:14):
hold such a store of value, you'll be able to
lend and borrow against it. There's already companies over in
the States that are managing billions of dollars that are
developing like hybrid loans, so you can sort of refinance
your house. Part of bitcoin is a net portfolio, and
because bitcoin is at a very good track record now
of increasing in value, it sort of helps to pay

(01:13:36):
off the mortgage at the same time, and you're basically
using that as collateral rather than having a mortgage that's
solely on the collateral of a house right, which is
a property, but bitcoin is being viewed as property, so
it's maturing in that sense as well. I mean you
smilestone that just it puts bitcoin at about fifteen percent
of the same net worth as gold. And I mean,

(01:13:56):
can you borrow against gold these days? I mean people
praym it's the heart of that that can you borrow
against it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
It's not very.

Speaker 15 (01:14:02):
Easy to do.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
The whole gold thing confuses me because you know, people
just say that that has a worth and it's more
solid than cash, but that's also just a perception of
its value because it's a shiny, solid block. I mean,
all currencies are just based on people agreeing to buy
into an illusion, aren't.

Speaker 15 (01:14:19):
They well totally agree. There's a human sentiment involved in
what's value or right, what holds value. It's like fine art, right,
some person might buy it's a fine art for ten
million dollars and all these other people would say, hey,
I'd never pay that much for it, but certain people would, right.
And it's one item, right, So it's an interesting concept.
Although you know gold's had that thousand, thousands of years history.

(01:14:41):
The thing about gold, though, is it's not exactly scarce.
You know, they're still mining, they're still finding more supplies
of it. But The other important thing listeners should understand
in some way is that I guess we can all
agree since twenty nineteen governments have been very irresponsible with
the money supply. So you've got to look at the
point a bit of a hedge, right The point is

(01:15:02):
almost a hedge against inflation. Almost every act you hold
right now is actually the perching power that it's going
down because money supplied increasing. So Bitcoin's something that's kind
of counteracted that. So you know, if you have a
couple percent of your network, for example, and if you're
a hedging against it. And for those interested, not that
I'm chilling or I have any involment with this company,

(01:15:24):
but there is a company in New Zealand that's an
after race king receiver. Unless you allocate some percent of
your chum re saver to bitcoin.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Aaron.
It's interesting. Here's the sort of the counter There's no
way crypto replaces fee. It it's all based on the
speculation that will be worth something in the future. Notice
how the value of bookcoin was always referred to in
terms of American dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yeah, yeah, good good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
So you know that bitcoin is taking over when people
no longer compare it to the dollar.

Speaker 7 (01:15:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Absolutely, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is eight to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Three, the issues that affect you, and a bit of
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Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Be good afternoon, five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Lots of texts coming through. We've had a great chat
on cryptocurrencies and bitcoin, going over one hundred thousand in
the States. But it is interesting because you know, I
think I think crypto people are Texters because there's thousands
and thousands of texts coming through. I mean that we've
got full lines as well. But this is a bit
more pushback on it. Heard all this before. I remember
the futures market thirty years ago. Hear you saying what market?

(01:16:32):
That's from Chris. Crypto people are like vegans. It's like, yeah,
I know, vegi's are awesome. I ate them all the time.
No need to base your entire personality around Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, once you're in on crypto, that's all you talk about.

Speaker 11 (01:16:44):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
And this text from Ryan says, wasn't bitcoin, but my
friend turned the Chinese coin Binance from two thousand dollars
year wes to form million US dollars and almost crack
the market when he hit sell all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah, but I mean that's the thing where what I
was saying before is what crypto doesn't have. It's not
backed up by armies. And that's what that's what currencies have.
They're backed up by the four of a government. So
you take China for example, and they've done this before.
You put your head up too high in China and
it's messing with the Chinese Communist Party, you'll you'll disappear
or they'll shut down, as they've shut down bitcoin mining. Yeah,

(01:17:21):
you know, so I don't know at any given point,
if it goes up against the US government, you're just
going to shut it down. That's always that's always a
risky because bitcoin doesn't have an army backing it up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Absolutely. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two nine two is the text number.
Will pick this backup shortly New Sport and weather or
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Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
When now it's the New Zealander of the week.

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All look forward to that.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Jeday, it's Friday, welcome back into the show seven past
three and been having a great discussion about bitcoin and cryptocurrency.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two
is the text number. Bitcoin is now worth over one
hundred thousand US dollars, But is it the real deal?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Absolutely. We'll get back into your phone calls very shortly,
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Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Oh ten eighty, we're going to pick back up the
bitcoin chat. It has just cracked one hundred thousand dollars
ye West, which is one hundred and seventy k New
Zealand is at the future of currency and money. Are
you all in on bitcoin and cryptocurrency? It is bang
on ten past three, thirteen past three, we're talking about

(01:22:18):
bitcoin and cryptocurrency on the Bank of Bitcoin hitting record
highs of one hundred and seventy thousand dollars New Zealand
per coin.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Is it the real deal? Is it just going to
crash again? Is it going to replace everything? Will your
mortgage be worth anything at all in the future if
it's in the ye old NZD big questions?

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Are plenty of texts coming through this One says gay guys.
Thanks to bitcoin. I purchased my first house, got it
in twenty twenty two and sold in March this year,
turned five figures into six and managed to get a
house deposit. It's the greatest performing asset ever created in
terms of returns and that is a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Wow, Okay, well it worked out for him, Yeah, but
you know that's the same thing. I've had some lucky
punts that came through, they were good investments, but not
every time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Is bitcoin the right horse mark you're involved in bitcoin?

Speaker 20 (01:23:06):
Definitely?

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:23:08):
Has anybody talked about the benefits system of the blockchain
by itself yet?

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Well? Carry on?

Speaker 20 (01:23:16):
Yeah, so once, Like, in really simple terms, from what
I understand, it's basically like a whole network of computers
that's not controlled by any boundaries or any one company
or anyone corporation. And so the mining process, when you
get paid for mining, you're allowing the blockchain to operate
on your PC and then you'll reimburst by that. You know,

(01:23:36):
that's how you get paid by being a bitcoorin minor
and mining another coin. And so M understand what there
means that not one country or company or any particular
individual has control over that database, if you like, you know,
the sky's the limit for the power of the blockchain.
And every day it seems they're coming up with new
uses for the blockchain, you know, from putting property titles

(01:23:59):
on there. So you think there's a record that can't
be corrupted, and it's completely visible to any anybody on
the planet with a PC or a phone, and so
you know, EFTs and all that where we're thinking of stiper
cats or board yacht club or whatever. It is the
real power And you think is like concert tickets where
you can release say five thousand of these things one

(01:24:20):
hundred thousand or whatever, and anybody anywhere with a computer
or the internet can see that the original one. That's
where it came from the net Who owns it?

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Yeah, it's a fair point, fair point, just on that
blockchain or so you carry.

Speaker 20 (01:24:33):
On, carry on, yeah, yeah, and you think of property titles.
It's approving authenticity. You could have a dairy farmer or
somebody selling lamb from Otago puts a barcode on their
lamb products and then somebody in Brazil that buys that
land can trace it back through the blockchain and see
the farm, you know, in a picture of that the
land they're eating, you know, just as an example.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah, is it completely Is it unforeseeable with you know,
advancements and AI and such. Is it completely unforeseeable that
the blockchain could be cracked?

Speaker 20 (01:25:07):
No, not not so far, not with the technology we have,
because it's stored and you know, one hundred million locations
and so to crack the blockchain, they'd have to go
into every single computer on the chain and try and
undo the blocks that have been written and rewrite them
with corruption. And nobody figured out how to do that,
you know, And so you can just see that once

(01:25:30):
that takes off, and more and more, you know, more
and more ways we store information that's one hundred percent transparent,
can't be messed with, can't be duplicated or corrupted. You
know where we keep coming with crip those which I'm
sure we will. You know what you're saying about New Zealand,
what hope have we got where you look at El
Salvador in countries we have made bitcoin legal tender and

(01:25:51):
everybody was laughing about them doing that, you know, when
it was thirty or forty grand a bitcoin. And so
the president there gives every one of his citizens a
free wallet and says, this is how you do it,
you know, and I think he has city dollars US
with a bitcoin in the wallet when it started. And
so that people contrade just with their phone tap to tap,
you know, you can go and buy your hot dog

(01:26:12):
or whatever you want. And you can see now the
foresight you had and how they've paid off there there well,
being loans and everything else. Really with the appreciation totally right,
and you can see more and more doing that. Why
would you fight this. Yeah, it's prohibition or something you
get on board, but.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
What is that? So they do that? But could could
if every country does that, then aren't we in a
position where the wealth of our country is not controlled
by our country? You know what I'm saying. The wealth
of your country is controlled globally. And that's a problem
when you want to when you want to run a
fiscal policy within a country.

Speaker 20 (01:26:52):
And at the moment you could say our wealth is
controlled by the womens of the US, which is the
reserve bank, international currency, and who's leading that country, you know,
and who's got the biggest army and everything else.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
So whatever you do.

Speaker 20 (01:27:04):
So that's where you get the philosophical debates. I guess
around out of display, is it better for us? You know,
when it's international it's no one corporational company. And the
whole thing about Ski City and even just the think
we have these conversations now when you think of our
last finance minister and reserved being governor called add as
much as half of their whole one year, you know,

(01:27:26):
GDP and printed money and borrowed money. Yeah, the for
me was that inflation isn't prices going up. Inflation is
the value of your dollar year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah, that's the inflation that that is the you could
you can have savings and so you can have some money,
but that money can just be changed and value by
the government at a whim for whatever they want to do.

Speaker 18 (01:27:51):
And that is experience times in Germany, you know, after
the Second World War, with you know, millions and also
lots of places we've seen inflacing go rempant and then we.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Look at we look at angry. Some people are at
Adrian or at the moment because with the c and
the management coming out of inflation and when those decisions
were made have had an absolutely punishing effect on the
wealth of our nation. So yeah, you're absolutely right. We
worry about things like bitcoin and cryptocurrency, but it's not

(01:28:25):
like our system isn't without its variables as it is.

Speaker 20 (01:28:30):
Totally and it's probably much safer to be power for
global reserve.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
But just on that point about a protection against inflation,
that wasn't the case when most of the wild face
some pretty serious inflation wasn't mark. We all saw the
price of crypto and bitcoin go down along with the
rest of the stock market. And arguably the reason it's
going up is because we've got a ball market at
the moment because Donald Trump's been re elected.

Speaker 20 (01:28:54):
And I think it's also people just you know, insist
too much, but people realizing, you know, when MB players
and high fliers get paid in crypto because they recognize
their own feat currency isn't worth or held at the
women and we is governing, you know, that they want
to be paid in something else that isn't there's any

(01:29:16):
million of these things, is not as every millionaire in
the world the have half or a tenth of one. Interesting,
you know, can't you do any currency you can name
where they didn't just print and pre increase and drive
down the value of their pachasing care and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Yeah, well, thank you so much to be call Mark I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.
Will pick this back up very shortly. It is twenty
past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Good afternoon. It is twenty three past three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Somebody texts coming through nine two niney two and calls
on E one hundred and eighty ten eighty on bitcoin
going over a one hundred thousand US. As someone pointed
out before, it is interesting that we talk about bitcoin
being a revolution, but it's not there yet because we
are The topic is based on how it's valued in
US dollars. The bitcoin discussion is interesting, but you haven't

(01:30:14):
mentioned that the profit is taxable.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing for a country
to work, whatever financial system you got going on, it
has to be taxable. Either that or we all have
to live in gated communities with armed guards at the
at the gates.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Absolutely, Greg, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
I'm good? Thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
How are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
You want to have a change a blackcoin? Gold and silver?

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I heard you mentioned before that gold's
just the shiny rock. And first of all, what I'll
say is I'm not opposed to bitcoin. I've just sold
my bitcoin because it's gone so high. But gold is
far more than just a shiny Rockta. There is no blockchain,
and there is no bitcoin or digital currency without gold
and silver. The blockchain relies on gold and silver to exist.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yeah, but no, no, My point wasn't that. My point
was that nothing has intrinsic value, and this human beings
put it on. So gold is a shiny metal that
we've decided as valueable, but it can't actually do anything
for it. You can't actually do anything for us. I'm
looking at a deeper philosophical level. It used to be shells.
It used to be shells that it shekels, and then
it was whatever it's been. So it's really all I'm

(01:31:24):
saying is that it has no value in this we
as we decide it has value. If there was some
kind of apocalypse, there wouldn't be much you could do
with the gold.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
You're still there, Oh sorry, I'll butt you cut me off. No,
how about you google the industrial and medical uses of
gold and see how many there are, because there's quite
a few.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yeah, there's actually quite a few. But that's not that's
not where its value is held.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
All your peripheral electronics in your computer all have gold
connections the boulder, and your electronics that comes from silber.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
But but if you invest into gold, then then you're
investing in blocks of gold that you put away against
against the stock market, against the crashes, you know, against
turbulent times. Am I right?

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
Gold? Gold? You need to look at it in the
correct light. Gold is Some people might think of it
as an investment, but I think of it more of
an insurance because gold always performs in silver and all
the precious metals always perform well in times of high inflation.
And we've just seen that, Like I brought silver back
not long after COVID at like thirty two dollars New Zealand. Well,

(01:32:34):
I just sold it the other week, money in my
account in twenty four hours and the spot price at
the moment is fifty two dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Oh yeah, there's no doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:32:46):
I did well.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
But I'm not saying that gold and silver are, you know,
a way to make money. They're an insurance policy against inflation.
But they're also very important industrial metals. Silver in particular
is very unique. Okay, So without silver, you don't have
any electrical connections because every slit as silver on the tips,

(01:33:10):
because silver present prevents arching an election.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
But the trade and gold against inflation, as you're talking about,
isn't gold is a commodity. It's it's it's it's storing
gold against inflation. And that that comes from a perception
and and all I'm saying, all I was really saying
is the wider point of what we attribute value to.
And so we currently attribute value to our current monetary system.

(01:33:39):
But there's no reason why that can't change if we
all agree, If we all agree to change it, we
if we're or whatever the forces of culture agree to
change it, then it changes. That's that's and it has
many times before in the past. I mean, gold has
had a really great run and it's the most solid
over time. But but but that can change.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
You've hit the nail on the head. It's a store
of value. Now bitcoin, let me let me boil down
bitcoin for you in a in a very short statement. Okay, well,
I call it the decentralized lie. Okay, only only the
computations for the blockchain are decentralized, not the exchanges. So
if you think, if you think you're getting around government regulation,

(01:34:20):
tell me where's an exchange located that doesn't have to
apply by the local laws.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Yeah, but you can get around that with cold wallets, though,
can't you. Greek Wallet's off. An exchange is a store of.

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
To you can you can you can buy and purchase
of somebody as willing to take the bitcoin directly, but
if you want to turn that into into a fiat
currency that we use to buy our milk and bread,
you have to go through an exchange.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
But I guess there's people are postulating a future where
that isn't the case. Where people because as I said before,
right now we're comparing the value to the US dollar
as bitcoin goes up, but people are envisiting a future
where that's not the case, and it's just bitcoin is
the currency.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Okay, if we want to talk about the future, let's
pretend for a second that the war in Ukraine escalates. Okay,
most nuclear powers have e MP weapons, and e MP
weapons they can fly them the length of a continent
and fry the whole electric grid. But tell me, if

(01:35:22):
that wants to happen, how are you going to access
your bitcoin?

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Yeah? I mean absolutely, I mean if that, if that
was to happen, I think we're all buggeed.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Really, Greg, it doesn't matter what sort of currency with good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
But do you think do you think of that kind
of thing happens, do you think you know I was
talking before, and this is getting pretty dark, But in
the case of a full societal breakdown apocalyptic situation. Do
you think your stores of gold will be available to
you and worth something because you don't have the gold
in your house?

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
Do you?

Speaker 7 (01:35:52):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
Actually I do. Okay, there's a will, there's a roll
with stackers. If you don't hold it, you don't own it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Yeah right, okay, So that's difference.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
My quarter outs Britannia's coin in a time of apocalypse
because because it's an industrial metal like silver, I gallant
see I'll be able to swap that for ten chickens
and a cow.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
I thought you probably will be able to as well. Yeah,
but you really ruined my point when I say it.
My point was that you didn't have it on you,
but you ruined that by having it on you. I
was going to say that you're still having to use
that exect to access it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
I don't keep it in my pocket. Another point, if
you're going to get married, right and you present your
fiance with a bitcoin ring with a gold ring, what's
he going to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Say, Well, i'll tell you what. I'll tell you what mate.
My Greg, a good friend of mine, bought a house
and he found hundreds of thousands of dollars of gold
in the garret no, kidd, it was. It was a
deceased estate that when in the air, so it didn't
belong to anyone. So he found this gold, which was

(01:36:56):
very helpful for paying off his mortgage.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
Yeah, well, I don't keep my gold in my pocket.
I have a very good hiding place for it. So
you know, gold, golden, gold and silver have very little
third party counterests. Fair enough, Bitcoin and bank.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
And now you've told New Zealand that their gold's in
your house, Greg, you might want to move that. Get
somewhere safe, mate.

Speaker 5 (01:37:18):
I can tell you where my house was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Yeah, yeah, good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
That would be stupid. That would be stupid of you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
I'll tell you what. I'll give you a clue. It's
in the art end of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Well that's a safety place to be in the apocalypse
as well. Good stuff, Greg, Thanks so much for you call.
Thanks for you insights.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty wave. Time
for another couple of calls on this one. It is
bang on three thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
You've talk'd be headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
With blue Bubble taxis.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
It's no trouble with a Blue Bubble.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
There's no present threat to Castle Hill from the uncontained
nine hundred and eighty hectare fire burning in the southern Alps,
with hopes improving weather will help firefighters. Fire and Emergency
says one wilderness hut has been lost and they've walked
locals through precautions in case of flare ups. Emergency services
say there appear to be serious injuries after a two

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Road and Sockburn. The roads closed.

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find out more at Ens and Herald Premium. Now back
to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We've been talking about bitcoin
on the back of it hitting historic highs of one
hundred thousand dollars US and had some great phone calls
on whether you're all in on bitcoin? Text nine to
ninety two coming through as well. We'll get to chock,
get a choky.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:39:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
And you've been in bitcoin for eight years?

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
Eight years, broke the highs and lows. I've been through
it all. Everything you can think of, ripped off, robbed, scammed,
made money, paid for a ton of tax I've done
it all. Man move countries. I lived the bitcoin life.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
And if you held on to your bitcoin predominantly through
the ups and downs, or when you say you've been
robbed and up, up and down, you've been in and out,
you've bought, cashed out and then brought back in.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
Well I got rid of bitcoin many years ago. It's
a slow mover for me. I'm in the olts and
means predominantly. But but if I wanted to say one
thing to people listening, because I don't, I think there's
only one, really one reason to get into crypto, and
that's to make my There's no other reason technology. All

(01:40:10):
that stuff. I mean, it's interesting, but it'll do your
head in. Yeah, the only thing to do, and this
game is to make money. Money is a game. You've
got to play the game. I've played it. And the
only thing that will get you undone in this game
is not crypto. It is your own greed. Your own greed.
Will do you win?

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
And did your own greed?

Speaker 16 (01:40:30):
Do you win?

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Yeah, but you know the hard one And what do
you mean by your own hard lessons? But I know
what do you mean? Your own your own greed?

Speaker 7 (01:40:39):
Specifically, we'll say, for example, when people are saying, oh,
Bitcoin's going to go to twenty fifty thousand US. Most
likely you won't go to twenty fifty thousand, but you'll
hang on for that two fifty Or you're going on
for that life changing money. I need a million dollars
to change my life out of New zealand hang on
for that. But it won't make a million. It probably
make nine hundred, But you'll hang on for that extra

(01:41:01):
hundred k and you won't make it, And then the
market will dump underneath you about forty percent, and you
will go, no, no, no, it's going to come back,
and it will. It'll bounce back up another fifty percent
from there, and it'll dumb even harder, and it'll go
down ninety percent the all time high.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Did you'll be stuck? Did you branch that too long?
Did you branch out into other crypto coins because you
thought that was going to be a better bit than bitcoin?

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
Yeah, that's where I stay right now. I'm just mostly
means and odds.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Yeah, I think I think one of the things where
crypto is.

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
Maybe crypto, maybe bitcoin goes to let's say conservative lived
conservatively one hundred and fifty thousand US. Let's say that's
where it goes. Maybe it goes high, maybe it don't
takes one to any I don't know. I don't know.
I don't I don't try to speculate. And I think
when people have a number in the head where something's going,
that's what's going to get you undone because you hang
on to that number and you wait for that number,

(01:41:54):
and if you don't make that number, that's where the
market drops out from underneath you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
But what if that's a realistic number and you actually
stick to it, so you've got a realistic number. I'm
on this for this, and you get to it and
you get out, haven't you won?

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
And whatever happens after that, that would that was never
on the cards because you were going to get out
at that point. Surely that's a good way to run it.
You go, well, I need this money to do this,
and I'll stay until that and then I'm out.

Speaker 7 (01:42:18):
Yeah. I agree with what you're saying, but respectfully, there
is no such thing as a realistic number. You have
no idea what is possible. You have no idea this market.
The market is designed to pool most of the people
most of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Nicely, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
Chock.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
One final text to wrap this one up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I'm in my fifties and a female, but too nervous
to call you. I read this out because please call
us if your female in your fifties, we'd love to
hear a female voice on this. I've been in a
bitcoin and crypto for years, and I believe we're all
but we all be using some form of digital currency
within five years. However, the tech at the moment is
not ready for mainstream uses at the moment, as teaching

(01:42:58):
people to self custody their own funds and to be
safe online needs more work. Have a fabulous Christmas and
take some time to research crypto it is here to
stay XX. Thanks so much. But yeah, if you're never
be nervous to call us, we'd love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Absolutely good discussion that right. Because it is Friday, that
means it's time for topical tunes, So you know the drill.
Matt and I each pick a song related to a
topic of the week. First to three phone call votes
takes it out. You are in the lead by some
margin at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
That's right, it's six to two. I believe, I believe
it's six to two. Can we write this down because
every week we're trying to work it out because I
actually believe in my heart at seven to two, but
I don't think we've been doing the show long enough
to be that case. It feels like seven to two.
Shall we just make it seven to two because that's
what it feels like. Shall I go first?

Speaker 11 (01:43:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Please?

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
I start?

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Okay, we want to start?

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Yeah. So yesterday we had a big chat about Christmas
parties and how government departments are shutting them down at
the moment to save money and for perceptions. And I
just put the point across yesterday that I think Christmas
party is a really important thing. I understand that some
companies can't afford them this year, and I get that,
but I think it's a tradition we should hold on

(01:44:07):
to and we should do them if we can, because
it brings people together. It's a great full stop on
the year, and it's a way we can all celebrate
each other and the work we've done together over the years.
So my song is from the Beastie Boys and it's
fight for Your Right to Parties Absolute Tune from the

(01:44:29):
License to El album.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
That's good mate, that's good right, Okay, So my topic
this week. I've had some issues with heat and the
top story of our rental and there's been some great
ideas that were sent through yesterday. I've got some work
to do this weekend, but a lot of people are
sent through ticks that I just need a hardened up.
It's summertime. We love the summer, get into it. So
I've changed my attitude and here is my song, Mungo

(01:44:50):
Jerry in the summer time, summer time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
On your well, you got woman, You've got woman on
your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Tyler, I do right now. You have a great song
from Mungo Jerry.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
If her Daddy's rich, take her out for a meal.
If if dad is not, just do what you feel
or you agree with that line?

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Ah yeah, yeah, a solid, solid lyric from a lot
of people, right, you know the drill. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. What is your pick? Who's going to
take out the topical tune this week? Nine two ninety two?
If you want, we don't take it via text though,
just via a phone.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You've got to fight
for your right to party?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
matt Even Tyler Adams Afternoon Us Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Be seventeen to four quick recap.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Yeah that's right. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It
is topical tunes. Tyler versus, I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
No don't nazis just a bit of a recap on
our songs.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Yeah, that's right. So around the issue of Christmas parties
and some companies in public sector agencies not having them
this year, I I'm putting forward this song by the
Beastie Boys, you Gotta Fight?

Speaker 16 (01:46:13):
Are you all right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Six?

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
What a tune from the License to l album that
a ste by some good energy in that song. And
I'm not gonna lie now. After I had some problems
with heat and our rental and I was winging about
it being too hot. So I've changed my attitude and
this is my song Mungo Jerry in the Summertime.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Summer Times group personal topics for you, isn't it? Mine's
a national sort of nationwide topic.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Who doesn't love the summer type though? Right, let's get
into it. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you
want to put your votes in? Kevin, how are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
Kevin?

Speaker 6 (01:46:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Goods.

Speaker 21 (01:46:53):
I am. Two great songs, mate, Yeah, I am. I've
actually grown up with both these songs. And you got
me on a bit of a turner, Tyler. I've spoken
to you many many times on this recreation, but I'm.

Speaker 15 (01:47:08):
Gonna go with Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Yes, Kevin, Thank you, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
All right, thank you very much. One for Matt, none
for me. Get a Jenny, Hey, how are you good?
What do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (01:47:21):
Tyler?

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Yep?

Speaker 9 (01:47:23):
I'm really sorry, Jenny.

Speaker 8 (01:47:29):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:47:30):
That's such a cool all right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I love you, Jenny, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Jenny.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Mark could come to this. This is this is match point.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Mark, how you doing yeah in the summertime? All the
name Yeah, okay, good man? Not a down trail?

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
What is that? Mark?

Speaker 9 (01:47:48):
Every every day of the week. It's absolute from you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
I like you, Marg, You're a good man.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
I still love you, Matte, Taylor, how you doing good?

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
Guys?

Speaker 10 (01:48:00):
Go good good now. I'm sorry, Tyler.

Speaker 15 (01:48:04):
That's because your name is Tyler and I'm Taylor.

Speaker 7 (01:48:07):
I had to go with Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Whatever reason, we don't we don't. We don't question the reasons.
We just take the victories.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
Thank you so much, Halo, Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (01:48:15):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Man go seven to two?

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
All right, let's here. You know, well done, mate. I
like this song, yeah, generally.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
I mean it's surely a new stig d Be song,
isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:48:31):
What a tune?

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
We don't have to play all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Your best classes. I'm taking BRIT's class like it so
trying to turn.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
You gotta fight for.

Speaker 13 (01:49:19):
Your right to heay.

Speaker 15 (01:49:29):
Mom, god you're smoking.

Speaker 22 (01:49:30):
Massy said, no way, that give the print spoke two
backs a day. It suck, friend, Go away your fence

(01:49:52):
put on no man, looky, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Fight for your right to way.

Speaker 13 (01:50:15):
You gotta fight for.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
To the closing on the way.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
I'll be getting to lie home if you don't cut
that hair.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Your mamma, is that what's that noise?

Speaker 16 (01:50:51):
Oh my mommy, just jealous.

Speaker 13 (01:50:53):
It's not raise the boys. You gotta fight for you're right,
say you gotta fight you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
I'm so sure you do have to fight for you
write the party, especially in these era of HR cutting
down all the fun and people cutting back on it,
You've got to fight for your right party.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Yeah, bloody good song. Well done. A lot of people
have never heard that song in their life, Matt. They're
asking who the Beastie Boys are on Newstoks. It'd be
dear you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Look, I said you didn't have to play all of that,
but I'm glad we did. I'm glad we did.

Speaker 7 (01:51:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
It is ten two four after four o'clock, will catch
up with Glane, have a chat about the cricket.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
every in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four used talks Dead Bad B.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Seven or four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
We're in the tea break and the cricket down at
the Basin Reserve and we have acc head g Lane
with us in the studio. Been a bit of rollercoaster
of the day, hasn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:52:25):
Yeah, two sessions gone two hundred and fifty nine for seven.
The one thing I love about bears ball, you say,
you guys off here, I feel like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Just four one days.

Speaker 23 (01:52:36):
It's just four one day innings with bas ball, because
this game is so advanced. I'd say it's pretty even
Stevens at this stage when he had them forty three
for four and then one hundred and fifty run partnership.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Yeah, and then we're just so punishing you quick.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Wickets Nathan Smith.

Speaker 23 (01:52:49):
Though just before t you got the crucial wicket, piece
of individual brilliance running out Brook for one hundred and
twenty three. So they've gone to the tea break, so
we're going to have two new batsmen at the crease.
One new batsman and Chris Woke's at the crease. So
I think we'll be batting before the end.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Of the day's play. And we've remembered how to catch again.
An absolute scrammer from Darryl Mitchell.

Speaker 23 (01:53:08):
Oh yes, son of a Mitch, he absolute scrama and
look Latham two from two after dropping having the drop
seas last times, it's going to be our game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
That's the thing about catches an international cricket. They can
all do it and but it's just once people start
thinking about it, when they start going, oh oh, there's
been two catches drop, I've been not drop this one.
That's a problem. So when we start catching, we'll keep catching.

Speaker 23 (01:53:29):
Tod We've taken all of our catches yew Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
So how do you think it's poised right now? So
what do we need them out for? So it's two
hundred and fifty nine for seven. You don't want to
put someone into bat, a team into bat and then
to get over three hundred.

Speaker 11 (01:53:41):
No we don't.

Speaker 23 (01:53:42):
We need to get them before three hundred because they've
got I mean annoyingly. Their next batsman, Gus Atkinson has
got a Test century and he's batting at nine, and
then Brighton cars who comes in at ten, has two
first class centuries. But their number eleven is a genuine
number eleven. Last year he would be a number eleven
and a team of number eleven. So if we get
them on that for two eighty two ninety, I think

(01:54:04):
it would be in New Zeald's day and then if
we're forty without loss the day picking, that's going to
be New Zeal's day.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Yeah, but there's still a bit of there's still a
bit of something in the in the wicket, isn't there.
I think a bit of bounce. Was getting a bit
of bounce the basin reserve pitch.

Speaker 23 (01:54:18):
It does tend to get a bit more bounced than usual.

Speaker 5 (01:54:20):
I think.

Speaker 23 (01:54:20):
I don't think it's going to take as much turn
as last year because I see we had the Australians there,
it was the end of summer. It had a bit
more to it in terms of turning. I don't think
this one's the same. It's early season, but it'll flatten
out and turn into a road. We'll score seven hundred
more boyl them out.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Yeah, Well that's the kind of thing with this is
like do you want do you want to leave them
in just a little bit longer so it gets a
little bit easier for our batting. Yeah, we want to
buy them all out. That would be a crazy strategy.

Speaker 23 (01:54:45):
There'll be three fifty you're going at five or six
and over. This is this is bears ball, classic bearsargines,
very advanced and the.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Basin looks beautiful. What a fantastic round it is. It
was the New Zealand of the Week this week on
the Matton Tyler Afternoons on.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
ZB Well deserved. How the spectators down at the basin
looking actually getting a little bit raucerus at the stage.

Speaker 23 (01:55:04):
Yeah, look it's a it's a little bit breezy down there,
but old out Saturday, so dress update tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
That's going to be pretty loose down there in the base. Well,
thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
A C.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
C head G Lane and where can people listen to
the Alternative Commentary Collective.

Speaker 23 (01:55:18):
Just jump on iHeartRadio and search cricket and you'll find us.
It does come with a warning, ladies and gentlemen. Okay,
it's alternative for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Well, thank you listening today. It's been a fantastic chat.
The Mattin Tile Afternoons podcast will be out very soon.
Whither you listen to you wherever you listen to your
podcast until Monday, give him a taste of Kiwi from me.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
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