Full Show Podcast: 08 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number one hundred and four
for Tuesday, the eighth of April twenty twenty five. Fantastic
show today. I think you're gonna love it. Can't remember
anything that wasn't it. There was some bald men at
at the end.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, a lot of bald chat.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We talked about dropping off five year olds at the
morn that's right.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I got a lot of hate boy, people called
me a bad parent. And then we went deep into
the military and heard some fantastic stories about people that
have spent some time in the New Zealand Armed Forces.
So I hope you enjoy the show. Set to download, subscribe, follow,
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Speaker 1 (01:07):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Me, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Tuesday
Afternoon seven pass one. Hope you're doing well, Get a man.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Get a tyler. You look at it rattled. You had
a bit of an altercation on the roads, did you well.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I wasn't involved in it, And I just want to
throw this out because this is an insult I haven't
heard for some time, and I kind of liked it.
But we's been pouring down with rain this morning in
Auckland and things were a bit gnally out there while
I was driving, and we're at a roundabout and I
was behind the guy in question, and someone cut off
this guy at the roundabout. No if no, buts he

(01:50):
was hard done by, hit his window down and he
poked his head out and he screamed, good on, Yeah
you ivan.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Spoon and spoon spoon. I haven't heard.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Spoon is an insult for many many years. Yr spoon
spoon And I'm like, I kind of like that. Yeah,
I don't know if I'd be insulted if someone called
me a spoon. An egg is another insult that that
that sort of mild and insult. Yet your egg, your spinner.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I stepped out in front of a car and I
think it was it was it was I think it
was Highgate in London, doesn't really matter where it was.
And this guy came. He was in a van and
he came screaming around the corner and he yelled out,
oh the way yu muppy, And it stuck with me
for life. Just the way I went it made me laugh.
I didn't feel insultid go the way you muppy.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Just really dragged out there, mufflet. That's beautiful. Yeah, but
if spoon is still an insult you use on a
daily basis, let me know.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh that's right, I'm going to bring it out, Tyler. Yeah,
you're a spoon.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
You're a mess of spanner.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Did it hurt when I could?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Right onto today's show after three o'clock. And it's on
the back of what has been a phenomenon as a series.
White Loatus had the season finale. Oh yeah, you're manus,
Yeah yeah, yeah, that one needs to be brought back
as well.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, you're talking about the new movement towards receding hairlines.
Walton Goggins is considered so hot that it's now becoming
fashionable to have a receder. It's the latest trend and
people like me with full heads of hair are now
completely uncool.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
There's something out there that can make you have a
receding hairline. That's what it's going to come to.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
People are getting them shaved into their hits.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah. The wider question is, so receding hairlines are they
now sixy according to a lot of people on the
internet because of Walton Goggins and he look, he's a
good looking man. He's got the swag and the receding hairline,
but also extending that out completely baled.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, that's right. Do you have a bald man and
you think he's hot? Are you or balding and happy
about it? Or do you have a bald man who
thinks they and you think they should do something about it. Look,
I wasted a lot of my life worried about being baled.
I remember when I was in my early twenties. I
looked in the mirror and thought, oh am I receding,
And then all these years later it's still fine.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, You've still got a good hit of here.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, And it doesn't it doesn't matter. It just does
not matter in my opinion. And now look that's been
proven because everyone thinks Walton Goggins is hot and he's
losing this here plenty of hot ball. Goot guys out there.
To Dwyane Johnson, he's good looking man. You've got you
got yeah, bloody you're Jason Statham. Yeah, yep, you're very
Say may you've got the Captain Steubing.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Bruce Willis back in the day. Oh he's still a
sixty man. But you know he rocked that baldhead. It
is after three o'clock, after two o'clock. On the back
of the huge increase in defense spending that has been
announced It's going to be twelve billion over four years,
nine billion of which is new. Has a career in
the Defense Force become a lot more attractive?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, that's right. The Defense Force is going to be
a lot flasher. There's a lot more toys coming in,
a lot of just looking at the list of things
that they're adding to the to the arsenal, javelin, anti
tank missiles. Is where is the Defense Force a good
and a good business to be in? Is you know

(05:13):
going forward? And look, if you've done it, is it
a good job? What is the training like if you've
been through it. If you're a parent of a child
leaving school, would you be happy with them joining the
Defense Force? Would you push them into it?

Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And look, do you have kids or family members who
have joined the Defense Force and what's their experience like,
because it has felt like it's been on the rot
for a while. Yeah, you know, less than one percent
of our GDP spent on it. But now things are
going to get a lot flasher.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeap looking forward to that. That is after to o' clop.
But right now, sign me up? Yeah, right now, let's
have a chat about can we do that? Can we
walk you down right now and sign you up?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you do well.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You do well in the navy.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Shave my head before it all falls out.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
But right now, let's have a chat about safety at
the mall. This is on the back of a mother
who said in an article today that bystanders watched as
her son was held by his neck, robbed and thrown
to the ground in one of Auckland's busiest shopping malls.
He was one of two eleven year old boys walking
inside of Saint Luke's Mall on Saturday afternoon when three
teens attacked them and rob them of their shoes. And

(06:13):
I'll watched the mother of three who didn't want to
be named, I said, whose son was terrified after the accident.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
So that's my mall, Saint Luke's, And I've been dropping
my kids off at the mall for a very long time.
And as she said, you know, you dropped your kids
off there because it is pretty safe. You know that
if they're not leaving them all, there's a lot they
can do there and it's a way for them to
learn independence. But how early I've got a couple of
questions about this. How young should you drop your kids off?
Offer at them all? Are you worried? Do you think

(06:41):
they're more violent than they used to be? I feel
like they're less violent than they used to be, And yeah,
I means it. I reckon it was pretty rough going
down to mals in the nineties and people as old
as time. I mean, this is horrible that this has
happened to these kids and it was the first time
they were going to the movies by them. Sad that
this is horrible. It's happened to liven year olds and

(07:01):
the teenagers involved should be tasted, there's no doubt about it.
Terrible human banks. But I believe that that people have
been being rolled for their shoes for the long, longest time.
And I think it's actually safer at Males than it's
ever been. I'm not saying it's safer downtown than it's
ever been, but it's safer for at Males than ever been.
And I think I think as soon as you can
get your kids running around at Males by themselves and
getting a bit of independence, a bit better.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, I think Males is a as a place you
can drop your kids off, absolutely, because you should have
a lot of people there. And in this case, I
get it there were bystanders there who appeared to not
do much. But you've got people there, you've got retail stores,
you've got security. It's all housed in.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
The CCTV CCTV. Yeah, And I mean the other side
of the story, which we're not really going into us.
You know, they went down to the police station and
waited for an hour and then they couldn't even take
their statement because they were too busy, and they came
back and approached them two days later. So that's that's
a totally separate problem. But is it good parenting to
drop your kids off at them?

Speaker 5 (07:55):
All?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I say seven, I say, from seven years old, drop
them off.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Seven is young? Seven is real young. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
You read the Coddling of America Jonathan Hyde. He said,
the sooner you can get your kids doing independent things.
And that is the problem with children now, as they
don't they get helicopter parented, they get locked after. They
never get opportunities to learn through mistakes and go out
and act independently.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, I can remember. Eleven was the cutoff with mum.
And even then she was a bit anxious about letting
me go to the Nelson Mall when it wasn't much
of the mall, to be honest, But at eleven and
she asked all these questions, what stores are going to
go to, who's going to be with you? What time
are you going to actually jump back on the bus.
She was really anxious as an eleven year old seven,
No way in hell would she let me go as

(08:38):
a seven year old.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I was ripping up the Golden Center and toned and
at seven, don't you worry about that?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear from
you are all still a safe place to drop your
kids off? And how young is too young to drop
them off? At the all. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Excused
Talk zed BE.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
News talks ed Be and we've asked the question, how
young is too young to drop your kids off at
the mall? Is it's still a safe place to drop
your children off? This is on the back of two
eleven year old boys who were assaulted and robbed at
Auckland Saint Luke's Mall.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Earth, Texas says, hey, guys, I would not be dropping
preteens off at a more unaccompanied and unless they have
money to buy something or are going to movies or library,
there's no need for them to be there. No, I
do not think it's safer now as bystanders nowadays are
more likely to film than actually step in and help.
The young offenders know there will be next to no
consequences if they're court regards Tracy. But you know, just

(09:40):
messing around with your friends in safe environment and sampit
of the mall. I mean, give them a little bit
of money to buy some lunch, but just walking around
talking to each other, it's a pretty safe goddamn place
to go, you know. I mean, I've dropped my kids
off when they were seven at Maul's, at Saint Luke's
that very more.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I know.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I know other people have had friends that have had
kids that have had troubles at the mall before. But
I think that's a tale as old as time, punishing
teenagers being a holes, and you're never gonna You're never gonna,
You're never gonna get rid of that. But I think
in a safe environment like a mall, it's probably quite
a good place to experience how bad other people are.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Surely that would be right up there in terms of
safe places for your children to hang out, Safer than
arguably parts, certainly safer than skate parks. I mean up
there in terms of you want the kids out of
the house, I'm going to drop you off at the mall.
Have a good time. I'll come and pick you up
in three hours. I would have thought that'd.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Be right at the top this Texas says man, How
can you say it's safe with plummeting crime, even the
myth you society has doubled in the last year. Yeah, no,
I'm saying, I'm saying malls are safe. Yeah, you know,
malls are reasonably safe. And just because there's this terrible
incident with this these eleven year olds going to the
movie for the first time, which sucks because these parents

(10:53):
are doing the right thing and giving and trying to
give their kids independence, which is a really good thing.
You go to the movies by yourself, that that's a
great thing to do for your kids. So it sucks
that they went through the six experience, but I would say,
you've got to You've got us put your kids out
and to some some difficult circumstances where they can learn independence,
and for me, dropping them off at a wall is

(11:15):
a great way to do it. Yeah, you know, you
guys got you guys have got two hours. We're back
to pick up in two hours.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, what would you do in that situation? Though, I mean,
it's a little bit flabbergasting that the bystanders just sat
back and watched this unfold. And it's a hard it's
hard to sort of put yourself in that situation. But
I'm flabbergaster nobody stepped in. If there's two eleven year
old boys, young children getting assaulted and nobody tried to

(11:40):
break that up. That's really weird.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Well yeah, I mean that's what the CCTV footage plays out.
But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
The stix says, not a hangout or a babysit of
the mall. I disagree Craig your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
I think you'd have to be a toss of the
drop of seven year old or other company to the mall. Really,
you're not even allowed to leave them at home.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Happen something that's but that's ridiculous that you can't leave
kids at home. That's the I think that's an absolutely
ridiculous that kids can walk home from school, but they
can't be left at home when they get there. That's crazy.
You should be walking home from school from five years
old and looking after yourself.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Absolutely, you don't drop a seven year old off the
more ten eleven years old here, I.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Think, Craig, I do, I do, and I did well, it.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Worked out for me, But I tell you what has happen.
It happened a lot. There will definitely be browners out
there that would be targeting young company seven year.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Olds, you know, and a and a shopping mall with
CCDV footage absolutely everywhere. I mean, I think i'd do
that rather than dropping them off at an a skate
park or I don't know, I know this was I know.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
This was England and it's never happened since that kind
of thing, but look at Young Vulture. Was it all
those years ago? Those two kids, right?

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
But that, I mean, that is an extreme situation.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
I get your point absolutely, but you've got some pretty
evil kids at seven eight years old that don't come
from the households that our children come from. With that,
and you just asking for a problem, and I'm glad
you did. They have any problems for seven.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Just just on their craig though. I mean, what has
changed in the last couple of decades, because that was
pretty commonplace when I was a seven year old, is
that my parents that have no problem with me and
my mates going down to the local school or the
park and we needed to be back within you know,
a sersain time, but there was no freaking out about it.
What has changed in that time?

Speaker 7 (13:54):
We did go to the school of the park and
that kind of thing, but it was I think what's changed,
it's I don't know, population increase, everything. You know, we
were in a village. Everyone the lady down at the
school looking boarded onto the school.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
You who you.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Are, were were. We were a village when we were
when we were kids. We ain't that village anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, well, I mean maybe not everywhere, but in a
shopping mall, surely you can drop your kids off for
an hour or two of the shopping mall and send
them around by lollies or whatever they want to do
and pick them up. Surely that's that's the best thing
you can do for your kids in terms of independence.
I mean, when I was a kid, I was just
giving some money to go up to the dairy and
buy it, you know, SIGs for various parents off the street,

(14:45):
go up and get us a you know, some b
an a special filters. There was a long walk. I
did that from five years old.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
But if they were there, sorry, you go great, we
all did that.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
But times have changed.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, and times have times changed that badly or
just parents changed and parents are now all worried.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
I'm a pretty relaxed parent, you know. I let my
kids go off and do all the parties and that
kind of thing. And that you are a phone call away,
and but I just think there's a time and age,
and unfortunately I don't trust other seven year old kids.
You know, it's not it's not your kid, it's not
older kids. It's it's just you've just got a look

(15:33):
at what's been happening in our malls in the last
couple of years, with the with the mass and grants
these you know, it's just I think it's at seven to.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, what age did you say?

Speaker 8 (15:48):
Was?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Okay, Craig, I think ten eleven? Ten eleven? Yeah, okay, Well,
well I think I think that's reasonable. Ten eleven. I mean,
I live so close to Saint Luke's that it's not
a big deal for me. You know, it's right in
my neighborhood and right where the kids grow up. So
but yeah, okay, let's say ten. I think we could
both agree on ten being good age.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
That's all good, all.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right, thank you very much. I mean, particularly if they
are going for a specific activity, so you drop them
off to go see Miccraft, for example, and you drop
them off right outside the cinema and they go and
watch the movie. Then you come and pick them up
a couple of hours later. They might even go down
to time out it still existed staties.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, you drop them off in the car park. They
walk in and they can walk around for a while,
get something beat at the food court, and then go
to the movie and then walk around for half an
hour afterwards. You're saying that you just have to drop
them off in the cinema. They go in the cinema
and then you meet them straight afterwards.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well, if they's seven years old, yeah, probably check in.
Eight hundred eight ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty four past one.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 9 (16:57):
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Speaker 10 (17:10):
Well, yes, it's a good way of putting it.

Speaker 11 (17:11):
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Speaker 6 (17:18):
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I'm told that they are particularly stoked.

Speaker 12 (17:23):
They've had thirty five years, except for that small period
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Speaker 10 (17:29):
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Speaker 9 (17:31):
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Speaker 3 (17:38):
Good afternoon to you. Twenty seven past one, and we're
talking about safety at the mall and how young is
too young to drop your children off at the mall
by themselves.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, I've said seven, but you know I've been negotiated.
I say that ten isn't weak.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, you know, Okay, right, you've been pushed up to ten.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It seems like that's just when people are just saying
fourteen before they dropped them off. In New Zealand, it's
a legal to leave a child under the age of
fourteen and supervised without making reasonable provisions for their care
and safety, regardless of the location, including more. Yeah, I
would ignore that law if it's not really that's not
exactly how it is. But you know, if you're following that,
then you're a bad parent. Absolutely. If you're not trusting

(18:17):
your kid at that age, it's absolute insanity. Kelly, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 13 (18:23):
Hi, how are you?

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Goods?

Speaker 3 (18:25):
And what's your thoughts about dropping the kids off at
the more? What age would be appropriate?

Speaker 13 (18:31):
Definitely, Well, I think it is dependent on the child
as well, but as a rough guide, I do agree
with the ten year old sort of belief. But there's
a real focus on the stranger danger, which is statistically
so incorrect. Any child is so much more in danger
of people they know, family and friends than amongst strangers,
believe it or not. And I think, you know, the

(18:51):
anxiety that we carry, which is quite misinformed, is passing
on to our children. We're seeing this real up post
and anxiety being quite present in children, and this whole
obsession with cotton willing them. I don't think it does
them any favors.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean growing independence and confidence and learning lessons
and learning from from your own mistakes is a huge
part of being you know, allowing your kids to do that,
I would say it's a huge part of being a
good parent. And so I've got all these texts coming
through that's saying that you know, if you're if you're
dropping your kids off them all at ten, you're a
You're a bad parent. I think if you're not.

Speaker 13 (19:29):
Yeah, I'm quite proudly a bad parent.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah. I think if you're not putting your kids into
these situations where they can show independence and they can
make their own decisions for themselves and then don't have
their parents watching, I think that's a form of bad
parenting because you're you're not making them competent to go
out into the world. And as you say, I think it, no,
you go, Kelly, So.

Speaker 13 (19:51):
Look at the demand on children and adolescent mental health
and that it is directly correlated with this whole level
of increased anxiety around our children's safety. You know, we
have all these this information of our fingertips that we
didn't used to have, so we see all these things
that we never used to see but actually still go on.
So yeah, I think you just need to sort of

(20:12):
take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I mean, there's a good chance in a different era,
we wouldn't even have heard that these eleven year olds were.

Speaker 13 (20:20):
Rob exactly my point.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
You probably have heard of them, and the fact that
that is making news that some kids and look, these
teenagers that attack these eleven year olds are terrible people,
and the people that didn't step in and how for
terrible people. I'm not denying that horrible, but the fact
that we're hearing about this as in the news and
it's a major story probably means that Saint Luke's More

(20:42):
isn't too dangerous.

Speaker 13 (20:44):
And you know, and I think at the end of
the day, you can't be with your children twenty four
seven just because of how life goes. So you're just
going to make sure your children are confident enough and
understand when stuff happens, what do they do?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, thank you so much for you call. Kelly. I
totally agree.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Before we go to the news headlines, what was the
first More? Where was the first More? Which was the
first mall to open up in New Zealand shopping mall?
And in what year? Or nineteen two? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? What age is it appropriate to drop your
kids off at a More? Keendy heir from you on
this one. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 3 (22:46):
Thank you very much, ray Lean. And we've asked the question,
how young is too young to drop your children off
at the mall? And are malls still safe for children
to be independent?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, it looks like half the Texas here are very
anxious parents that want to report me to Aranga Tamariki
are around me saying that you should drop your kids
off at Maul's from seven.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean you've come up slightly. I mean you
still family believe seven's okay.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, I mean, I'm just saying we used to drop
them off, and like a lot of the kids in
the neighborhood were fine with it. We dropped like five
or six seven year olds off at the malls. I'd
go around, have something to eat, go up and watch
a movie, and then come out and you pick them up.
I mean it's a pretty safe environment. I mean, obviously
this case with this eleven year old's not great, but
it's a reasonably safe environment. And you have to look.

(23:33):
Anxious parents make anxious kids. Yep, that's just that's the
fact of it. Nope, not listening to heath on this.
Chance and luck are two things that Matt is happy
to rely on. But prudence is safer definitely wouldn't take
parenting advice from Matt Heath based on that shocker of
a call. Okay, well don't then, Yeah, sounds like you're
a bit of a water though. Hey, the question before,
what was the first shopping mall in New Zealand? Yep,

(23:56):
Lynn Mall ah and you Lynn Well opened in nineteen
sixty three, far Roun, that was the first shopping all
in New Zealand nine sixty.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Three, and a few Texters got that, so well done.
One hundred and.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Eighty Still a great mall, Still a great mall. I
drop a five year old off a Lynne Moore.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Oh ten eighty is the number to call this.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Texas is totally a responsible dropping off kids at malls
at seven years old. You're looking for trouble. All you
need to do is look at the increased crime rate
of kids as young as eight committing in malls. In
malls and I'm a very liberal seventy six year old
who's grown family, grandkids and great grandchildren, totally agree with you.
Cheers Malcolm. Fair enough, you have definitely allowed to disagree
with me. But I mean, as people say, a bus

(24:42):
stop is quite full on for kids. That's a lot
of stuff happens. Yeah, you know, and you're definitely allow
seven year old to walk home by themselves from school,
wouldn't you if you're in if you're the primary schools
in your neighborhood, yep.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
And probably jump on the bus if they have to
get on a public bus to get Hume.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah. So a mall has security, it has CCTV footage,
it's an enclosed area. They can walk around it. They
might have some nasty altercations with kids their age. They
might well just quota that.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
The worst thing Malcolm's point that he raised there the
increased crime rate of kids as young as eight. I
mean clearly that is the exception, not the rule. They
are very specific incidences that happened maybe eighteen months, two
years ago. I haven't seen any nefarious behavior when I've
been in the mall. There's no anti social activity going on.
There's no scratch, there's no eight year olds running around

(25:31):
on crime t freeze. It's just not happening in the
malls I go to.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
You should have seen the kind of stuff we got
up to a Prospect Park in Dunedin when I was
going up. Yeah, tell you what, Ben, Welcome to the
show your thoughts on this, hey, plis.

Speaker 14 (25:46):
Look, I get all the anxiety. Man, He's got four
kads myself, and the biggest se I have in my
is something happening to them. We've seen all these the
parents before in the past on the Kelly pleading with
the media or with the kidnapper who was out there
somewhere to get back to the child, and he just

(26:06):
you know, I can understand why couldn't get off by
these things. But on the flip side of that, I've
got my boy was allowed.

Speaker 15 (26:12):
To get into the all when he was keen, my daughters.

Speaker 16 (26:16):
When they were twelve, and.

Speaker 14 (26:20):
Yeah, I'm never you know there like I've got one
now it's jumped on the bus and she's off to
high school. And I've just come to the come to
a place where where I'm always gonna have that fear.
But if I didn't do this, it's the kids that
mess out. You know, they've got other mates in their

(26:40):
groups that are allowed to do this. You know, they're
allowed to get out of the mall and whatnot. And
I guess as part of it, you know, keeping up
with the with the with their mates and whatnot.

Speaker 16 (26:51):
But but yeah, I just think if we don't wrap
ourselves and cotton wall will go. And you know, yet
we can avoid travel. We go ourselves in the cell
and wrap ourselves and cotton wall. Yet but what does
that do for us? And you know, and so yeah,

(27:12):
yeah said, I said, two lessons, and you had to
how to have a bit of a scrap. You know,
we had a bit of a place for it, a
bit of a here's what you do, and we've gone
through the motions with you know, keep your eye up
with this and this is what you do if this happens.
And but yeah, at the end of the day, you know,
I think last more important than last for a living.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
And yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call.
Ben yep, I agree with you. CCTV doesn't even factor
into the decision making of criminals. But I mean, how
safe does somewhere have to be? I mean, I'm not
talking about just dumping them all day when you go
to work. I'm talking about a control drop off. You
drop your kids are going to be You're going to

(27:54):
the movies, so beforehand, going get yourself, will drop you off,
Go and get yourself a bite tea, go to the
movies and we'll pick you up straight afterwards. I mean, really,
how dangerous is that at a shopping mall?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Come on, yeah, oh, come on, Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
twenty to two. Back very shortly here on news talks, heb.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
They'd be good afternoon seventeen to two, and we're talking
about safety at the mall. Would you drop your kids
off as young as seven, eight, nine, ten and feel
safe of them being in the mall?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Dead? Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 17 (28:34):
Hi, Hello, I've no, I'm all for it. I I
think you can drop your kids off at the swimming
pool at like eight, because I think I'd probably have
more of a problem than that than dropping them at
the mall. But you know, but I used to drop
my kids in the tweet later, you know, mid to
late twenties. But I used to drop them off at
the more I can't remember, probably nineteen or something. Can

(28:57):
then pick them back up and then they're aloud on
the bikes and bike around the street and you know,
little things like that. So I'm probably more protect them
with my grandchildren than what yeah the way, but no,
I yeah, I'm a bit like on this one. It's
pretty controlled in there. And there's not really a lot

(29:19):
of problems that go on in Maulls that I noticed.
And I live in christ Chute, so you know, and
there's no there's not always good happens in christ Church,
so yeah, no. And I think also if you project
anxiety onto your children, they become very very anxious as well.
Just catch the bus by themselves when they were like

(29:41):
eight and nine to where I was studying and they
were only young mento. So yeah, but just.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Talking about sorry to jump in, they're deep just talking
about christ Church and Rickett and mall was obviously probably
the biggest mall there. But would you is there still
an issue with the Ricketen bus exchange that used to
be a little bit of a hot bed for kids,
you know, having scraps and getting up to no good?
Is that still the case?

Speaker 17 (30:08):
Well, I so when my kids were younger that the
bus exchange hadn't wasn't there then, But I haven't heard
a lot, but I know, like in the last it
has been like that, but I haven't heard of any
incidences like publicly for a long time. But there's no
different than the bus. It's such change in christ Central.

(30:29):
I mean, nothing good probably happen here. And that's more
with teenagers and things like that. So you own people
were collas and or whatever.

Speaker 14 (30:38):
And just just what have you.

Speaker 17 (30:39):
But now I'm all for the kids to be dropped
at the malls going.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Thank you so much, deb Yeah, so yeah, I mean
things happen at bus stops, things happen on the streets.
What I'm saying is you need to look I believe,
you know, I don't know everything. My kids turned out great,
but that was probably luck. As someone said, who knows.
But I believe you need to look for opportunities for
your kids to be independent from you as much as
you can. And I just believe that shopping malls, and

(31:07):
it just happens to be this incinnet having at Saint Luke's,
which happens to be the shopping mall near my house.
So I've been dropping my kids off there for a
very long time. I just feel like as an opportunity
for them to be independent, shopping malls pretty good. There's security, there,
there's cameras there, there's lights there. It's contained. I mean,
I'm not talking about dropping them off when the mall
opens and picking them up whenever at night. I'm talking

(31:30):
about knowing where they are and doing it actively. Not
because someone says, Matt, you're just dropping your kids off
because you can't deal with them there hungover. It's not
that actively looking for reasons and places that your kids
can be independent. I agree with Matt, drop the kids
off the mall at seven and pick them up again
at ten the following morning, once they hangover has worn
offs his nephew.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
But the follow up to what you're saying there clearly
is that you would teach your kids a little bit
anounced about what to do if they get into a
situation that they shouldn't be in. Right, That is all
part of it is that educate them outter if you exactly,
if there's older kids that are giving you a hard time,
just walk away.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, and I'm not talking about I wasn't doing it
a lot. It was pointed, here's a movie you want
to go to. We're dropping you and your five friends off.
You're all seven and eight. Go to the movie. We'll
pick cap upward. Where does law stand leaving a child
of seven without an adult present in a mall? You
cannot have someone under fourteen babysitting children, so why can
you take a child and leave them at the mall

(32:27):
without supervision? It's ridiculous that anyone would leave a seven
year old at a mall with all without friends.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's very very well done.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's a bit harsh to read that text
like that, and I'm differently putting my spin on it.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I'm sure she didn't sound that you can leave.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
A child under fourteen at home or in another place
if you have made reasonable provisions to have them supervising
kid for safely and they're not left for a long time.
There you go, Yeah, there you go. So surely you
can hiff them through the front door of Saint Luke's
Moore and put them up an hour later?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
The stickster, So many wispbags and anxiety ridden nervous nellies.
Did you write this man out there? How are these
kids going to learn how to handle dodgy situation and
sketchy places later in life if they can't practice independent
decision making earlier in life.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Anxious parents make anxious kids.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twelve to two.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
EDB, News talks 'B. It is ten to two and
we're talking about safety at the mall and how young
is too young to drop your kids off at the
mall for a couple of hours, whether it's watching a
movie or you know, playing the space's time zone. I
think they call it.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
This is after mum has gone to the media after
eleven year old her eleven year old was robbed at Auckland's,
a busiest mall. In an incident at Saint Look's shopping
mall on March the twenty ninth, bystanders watched as their
kid was robbed for their shoes, which is a nasty thing.
But I'm saying this is a shouldn't stop people dropping

(34:04):
their kids off. More so, I think it's great for
kids to get independence. I also think bystanders jump in
under those circumstances. But it's all call on CCTV this
situation and the police are investigating, so hopefully they find
the dirty little scumbags that did it. Absolutely, why on
earth would you leave your kids that are shopping mall.

(34:25):
It's for shopping, not a playground. Who said they weren't shopping?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, it shopping.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
No one said they weren't shopping. What we're talking about
is dropping them off to go to the movies or
such or get have a go and buy a specific
thing that they need to buy, and then picking them
up an hour later.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, what oh was it about the kids? Sounds like
you just want to get rid of your kids, Matt.
Probably use an iPad to entertain them when you're out
as well. It's not sending them to them all. Age
seven is way too young. Thank you for those techs
coming through. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number. Call we'll go to Dave. Dave, how are

(35:02):
you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (35:04):
I'm reasonably well, Thank you very much. I grew up
in the sixties and the seventies, and you know, this
is a totally different age wherein now, this is the
age of weapons. Weaponry. Knives is the thing, and that
just didn't happen back in the sixties or seventies, and

(35:25):
if it did, it would have made.

Speaker 10 (35:27):
The national news.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
I mean, now it's just normal. I mean, you drop
an eleven year old, you drop a seventeen year old,
of there's going to be someone around in a mall
or wherever who's carrying a knife now, because it's just
dereg it's the done thing for these thugs to be doing.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
And so has there been is there in shopping malls?
So there's stats on a lot of knife crime from
in shopping malls on young kids?

Speaker 5 (35:59):
No, there are not stats a lot of stats or
stats in general in shopping malls. But I mean it's
anywhere now, and if they if they can ram raid
in shopping malls, you know that that kind of age,
I mean that that would have been the end of
the world.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
But would you would agree, Dave, that as parents, we
need to be looking for opportunities for our kids to
be independent and be away from us. And look, I
just believe myself that shopping malls are safer then a
lot of other options. So would you agree that we
need to look for places where our kids can you know,

(36:39):
show their independence.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Well, I guess the shopping malls better than most places.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
But it's all.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
There's a propensity now, a huge propensity for people to
be carrying knives and it just doesn't matter. It can
happen anywhere, any time, and I think you have to
be aware of that because it is now the done
thing for them to do, and they they'll do it.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call, Dave.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, I mean, just going back to it, I think
clearly the anxiety generation and we get bombarded with the
extremes of what happens in society, and that is just
that has happened for a long time. But yes, these
specific stories like this one, these two eleven year old's
being set on that is not a great situation. We

(37:31):
can all agree on that. But is it happening so
often that it is such a dangerous environment for kids
to be in these days? That's the question we're asking.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, I mean, I'm saying the fact that I read
this means to me that it's not happening that much,
happening that much at shopping malls. Yeah, I know, it's
happening out on the streets. I'm just saying that a
shopping mall is a safe place. Here's another text. When
someone doesn't agree with you. Why do you read their
text in an angry, gragey way. I don't know anyone
who would leave their seven year old in a more

(38:00):
than twenty twenty five But each text you read like that,
you do in a tone that's not necessary how they're
saying it. It's really frustrating from Sam. I'll stop doing that, Sam.
In fact, I don't think I do do that. Yeah,
I don't think I read out text in a different
voice if I don't agree with them.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Guys I worked. Sorry, if you worked in center management,
as I did in the nineties at both Saint Luke's
and nor Share City. Sure City was the worst teens world.
Watch the kids getting into the toilet's next thing come
out in jackets, shoes, trousers, caps, the lot, leaving poor
kids with no clothes until someone else went in and
got us out. We add spare sets of clothes for

(38:41):
the boys in the office. That was thirty five years ago.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I'll let there's no doubt that bad things happen. I'm
not saying that. I'm not saying that bad things don't happen.
They definitely do. They'd be crazy, but that's part of
the bad things happen in the world.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yep, yeah, right, good discussion. A lot of grumpy texts,
so for that one for that, but we're going to
change it up after two o'clock. We want to talk
about a defense spending. It's going to be considerably increased,
twelve billion, nine billion of that will be new money.
But we want to talk about going into the defense
force as a career. Is it a lot more attractive

(39:15):
now than it has been for a long long time.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, looks like it's got a flash future.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yep. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Love your thoughts and if you are
in the military now really can to have a chat
with you. It is four minutes to two. You're listening
to Matt and Tyner. Very good afternoon to your new
sport and weather on its.

Speaker 18 (39:34):
Way forget about it.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Peace talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor
Adams Afternoons, New's talk sid the.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Six past too, So let's have a chat about defense
spending and careers in the defense force. This is on
the back of twelve billion dollars. It will be spent
over the next four years. Nine billion of that will
be new money. The plan will lift defense spending to
more than two percent of GDP in the next eight years.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
So in the past we've had trouble with recruitment and
retention in the arms services. I mean a lot of
that was to do with the Defense Force recently being
used as prison guards for fellow citizens in MiQ camps.
But going forward is being in the military in the
Defense Force a job, an enticing job for young people

(40:49):
or people of age that are still allowed to get
into the military. And you know, if you're a parent,
is that where you want to see your kids? Would
you want to see your kids joining the Defense Force?
Because it looks like it's moving out of a period
of decay. You've got to say, for a very long time,
defense in New Zealand has been put on the back
burner one percent of our GDP for some time. We're

(41:12):
now moving up to over two percent of our GDP.
So there's going to be flash of toys, there's going
to be more of a focus on it. So does
that make it a better career?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah? Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you're a parent now and your child has eyed up
joining the Defense Force, we'd love to hear from you. Certainly,
nine billion dollars of new money going in over the
next four years, and just going through the list of
these major investments. So that's going to mean enhanced strike capabilities,
frigate sustatement program, persistence of veillance, replacing the maritime helicopters, javelin,

(41:43):
anti tech tank, missile upgrades, space special operation sustatement, space capabilities.
And then when you look at the infrastructure, accommodation, missing
and dining, modernization, defense of state regeneration. There is a
lot that they are going to be doing to jush
up our overall defense capabilities and our infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Hey, and if you have been through Defense Force training,
we'd love to hear from you as well, if it's
been recent or even in the past. What does it
take you know, what is it? What is it like
being in the Defense Force, both the training and as
a career eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty Yes,
So are they what are they getting rid of the
NH ninety helicopters.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Good question, because the line here is replacing the maritime helicopters.
They are the current maritime helicopters.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Right they are? Yeah, Actually I need to know what
a maritime helicopters. The NH nineties of those Bergars helicopters.
I was on one the other day. They're very cool.
Well about the end of last.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Year, Yeah, yeah, I one hundred eighty ten eighty. And
just on the training that it used to be offered
as an increased incentive that you join the Defense Force
and they will pay for your training in quite specialized areas.
And that was a hell of a perk that if
you wanted to get into it, or engineering or a
raft of other things. They said to you, come and
join the Defense Force. Give us five years of your time.

(43:04):
Hopefully there's not going to be anything, you know, war
breaking out or or whatever, but give us five years
and we will give you a degree in what you
want to do.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Well, hang on a minute, if you're joined the Defense Force,
you should be joining because you're willing to fight. You
can't be well, are you saying that people should be
scamming the system going through with and no intention of
doing the full requirements that should be called upon.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Some people would have absolutely if they were called upon.
And I'm sure they were over those long Yeah, exactly,
they'll be marched into the military prison. But that was
a big incentive that if you wanted a degree for
effectively free yet to give up a certain amount of
years of your time. But that was a way into
accessing higher education without having to pay a lot for it.

Speaker 19 (43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Well, also, we want to hear from people that just join,
what we're thinking about joining, or have family members or
that adjoining the military just to join the military, not
some kind of scam like Tyler's talking out. And you know,
if we are really serious about the military, and you know,
Judith Collins, I watched the press conference last night and
she was saying that we're in the most dangerous times

(44:09):
since the end of World War Two. If we're really
serious about it, should we be bringing back compulsory military
service that you have to do two years at the
end of high school or like, how did that work
back in the day, because that was that was finished
in the lock up exactly when it's finished, Yeah, when
we stop doing that. But there are countries that have
compulsory military service.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
How would you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
They probably I probably probably wouldn't be me that has
to do it. But it would be one of my sons. Yeah,
I don't know. I can't fetcher. I just can't pitcher
the youth of today what they would do with that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
That sounds radical, but the skills that they'd pick up
in those two years.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, sorry that the maritime choppers are the sea sprites.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Right Okay? Oh?

Speaker 19 (44:54):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love
to hear from you? Is the career on the defense
Force suddenly a lot more attractive than it was? And
if you've been through it, we are keen on your stories.
It is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty eighty used.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Talk ZBB, Good afternoon, fourteen past two. I love how
knowledgeable the ZB audiences. I was asking what those marine
choppers were the sea sprites. Thousands of techs coming through
the Marine helicopters are the sea Sprites which are currently
in use by the Royal New Zealand the Air Force.
We got eight of those the NH nineties for land

(45:36):
based activities including rescue. The NH nineties are a large,
large choppers. I was allowed to use the the Air
Force simulator of the NH ninety. It was wicked fantastic.
It's exactly like it. You're exactly in the chopper. But
I tried to land it in the cake tin and

(45:57):
I did pretty well. Or the guy that was teaching
me said, you've just shredded half the audience with the ROTA.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
At the back standard you landed at that.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, but the sea sprites are the more waspy looking ones.
You know, they're operated by three people.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
But the other ones getting replaced obviously.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah. This texta here says, hey guys, just listening Remilitary service.
I'm an ex British soldier now living in Wellington. The
NZDF upgrade is huge, but will this see soldiers etc.
Taking part and more operational arenas the British forces deploy
around the world, doing more than the NZDF ever have.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
This is an intense text. Hey, Adam, I think that's
what he means to you. And I'm military trained and
I just did some research and into continental ballistic nuclear
missile costs approximately one hundred million dollars and they can
reach most places around the world. We only need to
buy say twenty of these for two billion dollars and
save ten billion dollars and send a clear message to
the aggressives not to puss us off. Yeah, I mean

(46:53):
those those intercontinentablistic missiles aren't so great just for you know,
patrolling your international waters and protecting your fisheries. Not great
for the search and rescue.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah. And is that? I mean you just go to
a market and say I've got two billion, I'd like
twenty incontinental missiles.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Anyway, let's let's get serious, Dave. You've got a son
that's eyeing up the army at the moment.

Speaker 15 (47:18):
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 20 (47:22):
He is.

Speaker 15 (47:23):
Yeah, he's at school store. He's he's eventually wanting to
get into be a doctor. But his ideas and he'll
go to join the army as an officer and do
the required training and so forth and come out with
a good qualification and hopefully I've been a subsidized university

(47:47):
study as well.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Does he have to go through full military training for that?

Speaker 6 (47:55):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
And is he is? He excited about that part of it,
The you know, the drills and the learning how to
be a combat soldier.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
Made he loved it.

Speaker 15 (48:06):
He look, we hunt. He spends a lot of time,
you know, in the Germany's he goes for a school,
he goes core mate, and he's and he happens to
be very intelligent. So I don't know where he got
there from, you know, but no, he's you know, and
I think he's typical of a lot of young fellas

(48:28):
and girls out there, Lady, our young young adults who
are looking at the military more and more as a
not just you know, not because of the toys that
you know they might get and you know, in the
uniform and it's actually, you know, not to put too
fine a point on it, it's a good game, you know,
and it teaches you so many good skills in life

(48:51):
which you can't get at university. I'm sorry, you know.
I mean I went to UNI and I just learned
how to drink and pretty much that was that, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
And what's the what's the qual he's going to go
for with the military. At the stage, Dave does he know, Well,
he's going.

Speaker 15 (49:04):
To go and so he's going to it as an
officer recruit. But he quite keen on the infantry, to
be honest, that or tellerry, you know, I mean, he's
he's open put it that way. He's not he's even
close and softwok yet But yeah, no, he you know,
he sees the opportunity there because he is quite a
centerenter of medicine and that's an area that he wants

(49:27):
to post army career.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Dave, do you have any concerns about, you know, a
increasingly complex geopolitical world and your son being in the military.

Speaker 15 (49:44):
Oh, look, i'd be lying if I didn't, if I
if I wasn't sort of slightly concerned or concerned.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
I mean, I mean, it.

Speaker 15 (49:50):
Wouldn't matter if it was now or even a year, two, three,
four years ago, whatever. I mean. The world is as
a firecracker next to a back lighter, mate with a
facile hiding the big lighter, and and and it could
go it could go off any time. And we we
live in this Unfortunately not we, but too many people

(50:13):
have created this environment of the world today where there's
eager driving politics and so on, and so yeah, it
could just it could crack on anytime. So yeah, I
am slightly consumed. You know, I jump in and do
my bet if I could as well, you know, Dad's
any sort of stuff. But yeah, that is it concerned.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'll thank you. So much for your call, Dave,
and all the best to your son.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
This Texas says guys. I'm ex military and Australian Army
and one of the first women to train men and
also serve overseas with the United Nations. After military, I
went into corporate and excelled thanks to my military and
strategy training. It was awesome, loved it and learned so
many amazing skills. Highly recommend it to all children.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, I'd like to know the stats on that, because
I imagine you would absolutely kick ars in the soft,
weak corporate world if you'd been you know, had gone
through full military training. Maybe we you know, maybe I
should put you through you know, basic training.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Life, both of it. It's both to it.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
You're very soft at the moment anyway, I do you know,
I was thinking, actually I was actually thinking how different
New Zealand would be. Imagine because you know, we've let
the funding for the defense force just drift and drift
and drift for a very long time, right successive governments.
I wonder if New Zealand would be a significantly different
country if we had been spending on the military. You know,

(51:47):
at two two and a half percent of GDP right through.
I wonder if that would materially change the country. You
would have more people that have been through the military,
the military would have more of effect on the country.
Would we just be a more disciplined country, would be
a more pugnacious country.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
It's a good question. Interesting, Well, I tell you what.
We've got former Defense Minister Wane map on the show
at the end of the South, so we'll put the
question to him. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Keen on your thoughts. If you've gone through military training,
love to hear from you. It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Good afternoon, and we're talking about military service or going
into the Defense force as a career on the back
of this significant investment back into our military nine billion
dollars of new spending over the next four years that
will see our defense spending more than double from one
percent to two percent of GDP in the next day years.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yes, so we're asking now it seems that the defense
force is a priority again for this country. Will it
be more attractive for young people to join the Defense Force,
and if you were a parent, as kids are thinking
of doing that, a child is thinking of doing that,
how do you feel about it? Lewis, your son went
into the army two weeks ago.

Speaker 19 (53:05):
Yes, you went in two weeks ago. We haven't heard
from him yet, so he's still on the screen time.
So yeah, it's been quite tough for us as pearents,
but I think it's one of the best things for
him to develop as a man and develop himself into
a career. And you know, we we immigrants, so we

(53:27):
came here in twenty eighteen, you know, obviously into the
land of milk and honey. He didn't do the greatest
at school, but then this opportunity came up for him
to go into the army. And you know, for us
as parents, we just want him to also go find
himself and find himself, you know, but then also go

(53:48):
and contribute and give back what we've already already got
from from New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
So so LOI, you said that you haven't heard from
for two weeks, would you say screen time When they
first go and they're not allowed us to contact for
a week, I.

Speaker 19 (54:04):
Think or that I'm actually glad about that, you know,
because if you think before we went in there, the
guys were just on the phone the whole time, and
I think they get like thirty minutes a week of
screen times, you know. So the first thing that I
picked up from the group that there's like a Facebook
group where we followed, was that the boys are making

(54:26):
connections and making friends. And I think that's what's also
happening with this where they don't have their phones and
that connection that you know, that they actually get back
to how we used to do it as as as kids.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
You know that we can.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Talk again and yeah, yeah, absolutely, did you did you push?

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Did you push your son towards the army or did
he find it himself?

Speaker 19 (54:55):
Okay, that's a good question. So about a year that
we started, and because he was working, the only working
could kid was that macus and he wanted to go
into to to go and study film and industry, but
just his market good enough, and we suggested that army.

(55:16):
We suggested, you know, to go to work at the prisons,
go but going to the police. And initially when he
did that first, because there's a three parts they do.
They do like I think you call it an appetude test.
Then they go and do the first physical and then
the last physical, but his mind was never there, and

(55:39):
you know, he missed actually the opportunity to go in
last year because he missed that last physical. But it
was then his choice that he had to make to
get able to get physically, yeah, and physically mentally, it
was his choice to.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Go into the army.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Did you think that not that? Do you think that
knocked back you know, was good for him and that
it inspired him and made him realize that this is
what he wanted to do.

Speaker 19 (56:06):
Yes, for sure, for sure, especially that he didn't make
any sort one of his other mates went through the
first process and he felt like not left behind. But yeah,
he had to work to actually get into the army.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
You know.

Speaker 19 (56:21):
So we just saw the commitment he started boxing, he
started you know, he started running around the track like
every night, and he actually got himself fuit enough to
get selected. So I'm like happy as the parents see that.
Obviously it would be good two years from him. Yeah, yeah,

(56:47):
but but so you know, I think it's in good hands.
These these guys have gone through the processes and it's
great to here that think actually getting some support now
from government in these processes, you know, and in the
facilities and you know, and yeah, that's it's actually.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Nice to you.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, and just quickly because we have to nip off
to the news headlines. But Louis the same question I
asked Dave before, How concerned are you considering the tumultuous
state of the world at the moment that your that
your son is now in the.

Speaker 19 (57:17):
Military Alec would be trained when it happens. Yeah, you know,
if it is going back to the to the Second
World War, I think everybody was called up and some
people were trained, some were not, and so DC all
have that that train backing behind it, and we'll just
take it to the next step. I think New Zealand's

(57:40):
quite They always peacekeepers, which is not a bad thing.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
You know.

Speaker 19 (57:44):
They normally not in front like the Americans all the Russians,
you know, so they would normally just be the peacekeepers,
which is not.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
A bad team.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, thank you so much. We call Louis and all
the best of their son and I hope you hear
from him.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
So yeah, eight hundred eighteen ten eighty is the number
to call if you've had a child recently, Go and
join the military. Love to hear from you and if
you've gone through yourself, what did you pay in terms
of the skills? Did you manage to come out of
that with qualifications? Love to hear your experiences. It is
twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 3 (59:37):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about joining
the Defense Force as a career on the back of
the hugely increased spending nine billion dollars of new money
over the next four years. That will bring us up
to two percent of GDP in the next eight years.
That is significant.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Does that make military service Defense Force more attractive to
young people? I think that they had problems with recruiting
and retention, but a lot of that is being turned around,
Mike says Army basic training. You won't know what hit you,
but you'll leave feeling like a new and improved person.
Thanks your text, Mike. Lads, it's a no brainer. I

(01:00:15):
did twenty years in the Air Force and it opened
up the world to me. My son is looking to
join in twenty twenty six and we'll start on over
sixty k. I think all seventeen year old kids who
are wanting the benefit should do a twelve month stint
in the armed services. It might flick a switch and
change their lives. Discipline, structure, comaraderie. Yeah, there you go.
That is a great tasks the hard sale. Put that

(01:00:35):
on a poster and this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
One says, guys, first year of Air Force Basic and
Technical Training was the best year of my life. I
grew up and it set me up for success with
good discipline and respect.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
This text says, you fascist, why do we need an
army when we've got starving people in our country? Do
we have starving people in that country? I think we
actually have a bigger problem with the bcit in our
country and then when it was starving people. But yeah,
there you go. There's quite a few piece snicks out
there that think this is a terrible waste of money. Gary,
your kids went through AIRCIT.

Speaker 21 (01:01:09):
Yeah. Look, that's another alternative way of getting kids involved
from the age of thirteen through to about seventeen eighteen,
and also gives it an opening to go into the forces.
So I've had three kids go to the Rodney five
squadron of the airport out at Dairy Flat and they
did really well, and one of my sons went on

(01:01:31):
to the Army to Guadu unfortunately had an injury and
had to pull out. But really good training, great discipline, learned.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
How to fly, learn how to shoot.

Speaker 21 (01:01:42):
The drills are amazing and I think it's a great standing.
And I think just doing cadets with you want to
go on to the Air Force or to the Defense Force,
doesn't matter, just do it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:52):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
And so he is currently in the Air Force, Is
that right, yart?

Speaker 21 (01:01:57):
No, he entered the Army and the training basic course
and got injured really badly and they had to dismiss him.
But he reached on to be mechanic. He's got his
apprenticeship and even my dad at a young age, and
and so it gave him good, good seed for force.
For that he'd like to go back to the baby

(01:02:17):
territorials later on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And so part of that does that make you think
that you know the training is dangerous?

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
No, No, I don't.

Speaker 21 (01:02:27):
I think there's I mean, you can be hit by
a bus, couldn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Absolutely, But I think I think.

Speaker 10 (01:02:34):
Look, if there's so many different. You've got the Army
to dates, you've got the seed didets, and you've got
the Air Force.

Speaker 22 (01:02:39):
What a great way to do it.

Speaker 10 (01:02:40):
You could make a choice, and of course you can get.

Speaker 21 (01:02:42):
A good trade while you're in the defense as well.
And apparently by being in the Air Cadets or in
the cadets, it gives you a foot in the door
to become to be approved to become into the defense force.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Yeah, it's a good way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Gary, was the military in your family before your kids
became interston?

Speaker 15 (01:03:04):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
None.

Speaker 21 (01:03:05):
My grandfather was in First and Second World War, my
grandfather but not and my father did the was on
the guns and training in Australia for a couple of years.
So but none of us, none of my siblings at all.
But they just found it really interesting. And there's one

(01:03:26):
hundred cadets and the acadets at the moment that train
on a Wednesday, so it's not like it's small. It
seems to be growing all the time. So what a great,
great way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
You know, I think so much to cool Gary, weren't
you and the air cadets for about three days and
then you checking out and went home crying to you mum.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
It was about three months. But there was a lot
of marching, a heck of a lot of marching. And
I've said this on here before. The reason that I
didn't carry on Whether they let me into the Air
Force is another question. But when they sold the Skyhawks,
and that was for me the dream was gone because
I wanted to be a jet pilot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
But yeah, I think the dream of being a jet
pilot was gone when you were born. No offense, mate, Hey,
why are you so keen to see our young people
die in a war? Says this texter. I don't know
where you got that from. And this texture on the
same bars says this is an evil chat. The army
is evil. This is sanctioned state murder. You're talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Wow? Okay, So those.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
People listening right now that have served in the Defense Force,
what do you say to that text? Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
twenty two to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Youth Talks B Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
It is twenty to three and we've asked the question.
With the increased significant increase in defense bending over the
next four to eight years, is a career in the
military now a very good option for young people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
And the Texas is hire. My husband has been in
the army for almost four years and it's been the
best decision ever. He joined when he was twenty six
and is now earning more than he ever would be
in the city world. He started as a combat lav
driver and now is doing a building apprenticeship. We hear
a lot of people leave the army for the following reasons.
They joined straight out of Haskell High School and don't

(01:05:09):
know how good they have it. They are wanting to
see action and not much goes on, so they leave
and become a cop, or they have mental health personal issues.
Highly recommended joined a the defense Force. I'm so proud
of my husband.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Very good Techs. Thank you very much. O. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Matthew.
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Good?

Speaker 23 (01:05:29):
A good good, loving the show. Yeah, really finding myself
in agreement with you guys today. Matt your idea of
compulsory military training is fantastic. I think we could start
them off at seven, recruit them straight out of the alls.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Mate.

Speaker 23 (01:05:47):
Now you're thinking, and Tyler, if you're bringing the thing
and the air Cadets has gone, there's always the We've
got a Minister of Space now, so you could probably
join the space cadets.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I'll see you there, metthe.

Speaker 10 (01:06:01):
Most likely Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:06:02):
Hey, but no, seriously, I mean, I think nine billion
dollars and I mean there's a lot of enthus is
and for this, the spinning, but you know, nine billion
dollars is dearly scratching the surface. I think we need
to increase that, you know, probably triplet, quadruplet. I think
massive cuts to the health and interproaching the system possibly

(01:06:24):
the way to go.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
But they're already quite depleted.

Speaker 23 (01:06:28):
And you know, borrowing money will you know what the
banks are like, they'll just probably ship the interest rates
on us, so we could scrap that. But I'm driving
around Auckland. I'm seeing a lot of spear industrial land here.
You know, we've got spare capacity and that, so I
was thinking maybe we could get an industry going here,
manufacturing things like cluster bombs and land mines, you know,

(01:06:51):
and it could be a win win, I mean, the
guy who said we should get some ICBMs stolen with thunder,
because I.

Speaker 10 (01:06:57):
Was thinking the same thing.

Speaker 23 (01:06:58):
If we if we could sell enough land mines and
cluster bombs, we could probably do a deal with Trump.
You know, he'd probably drop the tariff on the ICBMs
because you know, America's got enough to blow up the
world a couple of times over.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Do you think do you think we've got the know
how in this country to fire up some sort of
man parking lot cluster bomb manufacturing?

Speaker 23 (01:07:21):
Absolutely TIV number eight. Why I'm looking right now, I'm
looking at Mount Wellington and just thinking that we.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
Could hollow it out. It'd be a perfect silo.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
For Yeah, Mount Wellington, wouldn't that. You can just see
doctor oliving in that.

Speaker 23 (01:07:37):
Yeah, you know, but I'm thinking at least two or
three ICBMs coming out of it, and probably a couple
of out of Ringy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
Toto as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Well, well, we're going to we'll put these ideas next
time we're talking to Judith Collins. We'll definitely put your
ideas to Meith. You thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yeah, thank you. O one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call is this legit? What this
text here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Hi guys, I'm Gary Sun who was who was talking about?
I believe the military has made me who I am today.
I joined at fresh age of seventeen, left home, learned
values and how to conduct myself. Believe every young man
boy should do minimum two years service. That's from Mitch.
This other person says, thanks to your chat, I have

(01:08:21):
just looked into signing up. Well, there we go, And
this so other textas is currently applying for the NZDF online
due to this chat.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Yes, there you go, Defense Force, There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Judith were the Captain America's of radio, you know, and
Captain America is sent out there to get people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
To sign sign on the dotted line. What do you
call absolute war?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
See people sitting behind microphones talking at the military and
making people sign up. I think there's some kind of
tyber hawk we might be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah, I think that to sign up as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Now, yeah, yeah, Western, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
You going good, good good?

Speaker 24 (01:08:59):
Hey, Well, I just wanted to come and you've probably
had a couple of others.

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
From the perspective of a.

Speaker 24 (01:09:04):
Parent, my son went through unfortunately through the COVID time,
which didn't help obviously the recruiting process, but I just
wanted to add that anyone that is looking at doing it,
make sure you get your p's and q's, you know,
in a row. Make sure that you ask the right
questions because there has been, what it may have changed
now quite a battle to get through the administrator side.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
That's not run by the military.

Speaker 24 (01:09:30):
That's that's run by basically cythy Street, right, So these
people that do your first information sort of uptake when
you when you fill it in, they're the ones that
contact you. It's not military people. So even though you
may have gone through a recruiting right sort of thing,
so just this they may have possibly changed it, just
just to at least make that note. But it was

(01:09:51):
an absolute cock up for him from from where to
go and frankly, the amount of letters we had to
write to the heads of the administration to at least
get an answer as to when he was going in
and what what wing it was going.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
To be, and all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:10:05):
It was insane.

Speaker 24 (01:10:06):
And we know a lot of young people that have
tried to go through it, and through no fold of
their own, that's put them off because they're put back
and they're put back or there's no communication to them,
so you know, and also I do believe my son's
are a more specialized role. Now I won't say what
part of the military is in, but for him, he
believes too that there should be depending on what the

(01:10:28):
role is, somebody sitting down with you know, a psychiatrists
as well as officers with the experience in the trade
that they're going into because some of the times with
what he's seen and how he's now also involved in
the training part as well, that they're not the right
people and it doesn't always come down to your qualifications.

(01:10:49):
I agree with that, because not all of us are,
you know, point dexters. But to give somebody a go,
and if you're really going to look at them, you've
got to look at their personality. You've got to look
at their ability to be able to communicate, to be
able to listen. And I think while they're struggling to
get people and at the moment, I think the bottom
of a barrel has actually fell out and they are
picking up a few loose units from here in the end,

(01:11:11):
you know, and you get that no matter what in life.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
I understand that.

Speaker 24 (01:11:16):
But you cannot go and spend the money that they
do on basic training, uniforms, all.

Speaker 10 (01:11:21):
That stuff off set for some you know, less.

Speaker 24 (01:11:25):
Than desirable person to go through that process and then
they're not actually any good at the end of it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
So I know, I'm sure they're very aware.

Speaker 24 (01:11:33):
We were actually asked to provide basically a backstory and
what my son went through because.

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
They were horrified by it, absolutely horrified. But he stuck
with it and not everybody will.

Speaker 24 (01:11:45):
So if they tighten up the ends on that one
hundred percent, you'll get good quality people. But you need
to see them face to face. And I don't think
an administrator working out of Rotaeru or somewhere else on
a telephone has the ability to work out whether you're
a what job or not?

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Nicely? Yeah, And how's your boy doing now? Is he
enjoying it now?

Speaker 24 (01:12:04):
And yeah, loving it currently currently training at the moment,
which is what you know they predominantly do because they're
getting ready for any potential. And it's not just you
know those people that say that, you know, we don't
need the military and all the rest of it. Well,
I'm sorry, you know, you're living with the names and
the pixies. If you firmly believe that we don't have

(01:12:24):
to have some sort of defense. We're not in control
of the rest of the world, but we also have
to be prepared at some stage.

Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
You do have men and women that are willing to.

Speaker 24 (01:12:32):
Step up, but you've got to You've got to get
get those right people, because they are, dare I say it,
the leaders of tomorrow, you know, and you've got If
you've got to do it now and you're putting the
money in and you're making the investment, just just you know,
cross the t's and dot the eyes, then you have
a good, good quality experience for those that you know,

(01:12:52):
kind of go through it and go, well, did that
wasn't wasn't as good?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
You thanks so much, sir. You call Western. Yeah, it's
interesting when you say, you know, talking to you know,
someone that's been there, you know, face to face makes
me think of the movie Starship Troopers when Johnny Ricco
signing up and he says the guy recruiting who's in
a uniform, you know that he wants to do mobile infantry,
and the guy goes, good on your son, mobile infantry

(01:13:15):
and maybe the man I am today, and then he
pulls back and he's got two legs in an arm missing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Yeah, that made it real very fast. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Hopefully
we'll get a few more calls in because coming up
very shortly as well, we're going to have a chat
to former Minister of Defense Wayne Map to break this
all down. It is eleven to three, the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
News TALKSB. So, as we've been discussing, the government has
announced a significant increase in defense spending nine billion dollars
of new money in the next four years, lifting defense
spending to two percent of GDP in the next eight years.
To discuss further, we are joined by former Minister of
Defense Wayne Map, Doctor Mapp, good afternoon to you. How
are you very good? So did this government investment go

(01:14:07):
further you expect it? In terms of that funding boost
getting it to two percent of GDP, that is significant.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
It's significant, but they herald it for you months to
be honest, and what that two percent means is that
we won't just have two frigates in the future. It'll
be three or four, but that's down the track. We're
talking ten years away almost.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Should we go further? America spends what three point four
percent makes our push to two percent seem slight, but.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
We're also the most isolated country in the world and
we've got a massive ocean between us and anyone else,
So no, we shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Okay, what do you see as you know, if you
say we're isolated, as we clearly are, what are the
threats to New Zealand that we're trying to deal with
with this increased funding?

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Were essentially in partnership with Australia. Australia is our only
ally and we have to do things in concert with them.
When the Chinese Task Force came down last month, the
first frigate on the scene was in fact our frigate
to Kaha, and then that was taken over by an
Australian frigate out of Sydney, but both were fueled by

(01:15:17):
our tanker. So the two countries work in concert, which
is what you'd expect allies to do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
So, looking at that investment list that's been released off
the map, javelin missile upgrades and hance strike capabilities, improved
drone capabilities that to me as a layman's appears to
be a new direction in terms of armaments. Is that
a right viewpoint or is that something we've been trying
to improve for some years.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
Trying to improve for some years. It's sort of incremental.
I suppose of that list, the most significant would really
be putting strike capability on the P eight Poseidon's really
an anti ship missile of literally hundreds of kilometers range.
Drones kind of been planned for a long time, and
I think they're primarily surveillance drones makes a lot of sense.

(01:16:04):
You know, there are a lot of circumstances where you
can send out a surveillan it's drone rather than an
expensive P eight with oleven crewe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Now speaking of the all this, and there's a lot
of mentions of uncrewed you know, uncrewed aerial systems and such.
Do you see a defense force in New Zealand that
has less humans in it in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
No, All uncrude systems need a fair bit of human management.
In fact, you know there are for instance, take the
Seaborne VI aerial surveillance drone over the sea. You know
you're going to have a crew of sort of three
or four minimum to sort of operate that system. It's
got to be constantly supervised. It's got to be programmed.

(01:16:51):
It's got to be able to look at targets of
items of opportunity to be a fishing fleet or something
like that. So uncrewed systems means no people on the platform,
doesn't mean to say no people on the system.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
So what do you say to this text. We're getting
a few things like us through. This is an evil chat.
The army is evil, The military is subscribed to sorry,
sub subscribed state murder and sick to say we need
a military at all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Yeah, well I don't buy that. And if you think
of the well you think of what we did in
these timil twenty five years ago and really for the
following ten years. We helped that nation and the people
of that nation have their freedom and their rights. Without
us being there, along with the Australians, that would not

(01:17:44):
have happened. It took Australia and New Zealand to provide
the security to enable that to happen. You've had the
miners all over the world, You've had people supervising the
peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, so the New Zealand
military is primarily involved about peacekeeping more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Dr Matt, it's been fascinating getting your analysis. Really appreciate
your time this afternoon. No trouble that is former Minister
of Defense Wayne Matt. We are going to carry this
discussion on after three o'clock. So we want to hear
from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you've gone through military training, we'd love to hear from you,
or if you your children or yourself are now thinking
about a career in the Defense Force. With this new investment,

(01:18:31):
we're keen to have a Chat's new sport and weather
on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sebby afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Welcome back into the show. So we're going to carry
this on because we've had so many people who want
to have a chat about the Defense Force, increase in
spending and the attractiveness of a career in the military.
Now O. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We've got full boards at the moment,
but if you can't get through, keep trying.

Speaker 25 (01:19:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
So, for the longest time, the military and New Zealand,
as we were saying before, has looked like it was
pushed into a corner. It was in decline. Less and
less money was going into it. We dropped below one
percent of GDP. Now they're pumping it up to two
percent and above. Does that make it more attractive for you?
Because it is a focus for the country. So if

(01:19:36):
you've got a child going into the army or you
have been in the army, what you think about it,
I mean the defense force, then we'd love to hear
from you. My brother joined at seventeen years old as
a naval officer and we'll leave the September from the
Navy after thirty four point five years of service. As
he's been no longer offered a contract. The people calling
my brother a sanctioned murderer make me so mad. I

(01:19:58):
need to and they need to get educated. Our New
Zealand Defense Force leads the world in humanitarian aid and response.
My brother has helped countless countries and New Zealand communities
and then responding to natural disasters in civil war. He
has literally put his life in danger a few times,
sacrifice family time and seeing his children grow. The sacrifice
is huge and serving in the NZDF and New Zealanders

(01:20:19):
don't value the service anywhere enough. He leaves with three
decades of training, experience, friendships and a master is ready
to now take all of this into a civilian job.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
He guys, that is text, yeah, thank you very much.
Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty scene number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
And he's referring to this text we got that in
the last hour that said this is an evil chat.
The army is evil, the military is sanctioned state murder,
and it is sick to say we need it. Yeah,
there you go, so unpopular text with the doctor Wayne
Mapp as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I'm not surprised, Judy, how are you?

Speaker 13 (01:20:55):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:20:56):
Hello? Look, Actually the last text said everything that I
was going to say, only I'm saying it in a
much simpler way. But I agree with that. I agree
with the increase in defense, and I was going to
come or I am coming from the perspective, not from
the respective of killing, but of saving people in times

(01:21:18):
of disaster and where a country of earthquakes and cyclones,
and the defense capability to step up when the big
one hits is essential. Who else could cope. And I
think people shouldn't look at armies nowadays it's killing machines
and all that kind of rubbish, because they're not. They're

(01:21:41):
there to save people. I mean, it would be only
an extremity in a proper war that that sort of
stuff would go on. They're essential to keep the peace,
and in the big earthquake that's eventually going to hit,
there's the first people to step up. I think they're
absolutely essential and people should stop looking at armies, just

(01:22:05):
like that last text said they should stop looking at armies.
I hate even saying the word killing because they're essential
to keep the peace, to help people in times of disaster.
They're essential people and they turn out wonderful people. And
I would just like to say saying to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
You, well, thank you so much for you call Judy
what you said. I'm sure members of the NZ Defense
Force a loving hearing that kind of respect. Some people
aren't sending that kind of stuff through. I mean, of
course the army, the defense forces, they do also have
the capability to you know, attackeah, I mean, and the

(01:22:47):
major investments in twenty twenty five to twenty twenty eight
include enhanced strike capabilities as well as uncrude aerial systems,
long range of runtly pilot aircraft. I mean, all these
things have have a combat aspect to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Them, certainly. And when we look at our Sas Division,
and it is world renowned and very capable division, but
the Special Operations a statement that says to me that
there's going to be quite an increase in spending in
the Sees Division as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
To call when it comes to your young people going
into the army. The New Zealand Defense Force. Guys, you
need to balance the sphere issue. Over four hundred people
die on New Zealand roads every year. Defense is safer
than by a car or a truck driver. I'd rather
a trained warrior and a garden than a trained gardener
in a war. A great quote and I am ex Army.

(01:23:42):
That's from Andrew Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Keep those techs coming through, but love to hear from you.
On eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is eleven past
three afternoon. It is fourteen past three, and we're talking
about a career in the military on the back of
a significant increase in spending over the next four years
nine billion of new money. And it has been fair
to say over the past well un less say, five

(01:24:04):
to ten years at the Defense Force, funding has been
reducing and it's been left to rot a little bit
longer than that, longer than that. So has this changed
your mind? If you are looking to change careers? Would
you consider the military now? Oh one hundred and eighteen
eighty Barbara, your thoughts on all this?

Speaker 15 (01:24:23):
Oh?

Speaker 26 (01:24:23):
Hello, thanks for taking my call. I joined the Army
in nineteen sixty eight, and I got out of the
Army in nineteen eighty nine and joined the Air Force.
So I was in the Air Force till two thousand
and four.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Wow.

Speaker 26 (01:24:36):
Now even today we still we do know everything. We
learn hand to hand combat. We learned shooting as well
as being communication to which I was. So in nineteen
seventy seven, I was a female soldier, so I was
what's called a rack, a Woman's Royal Army Corps. But

(01:24:57):
in nineteen seventy seven they disbanded the Woman's Royal Army
Corps and we all integrated into the main main corps
with the men. Ever since seventy seven we're changed over,
so a little bit of a shock to all us girls.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
How integrated, How integrated did you become?

Speaker 26 (01:25:18):
Well, a lot of the girls were in offices, you know,
they didn't do what the men do now and from
now on the modern army they do arm to armed combat,
and they do shooting and all those sort of things.
They get posted overseas well. We never did, but I
did because I stayed in. A lot of the girls
got out and got married and have babies, but I didn't.

(01:25:41):
I stayed in and I learned all those things, and
I just loved it. I just you know, even now,
my friends from the Army and the Air Force, and
I had family in the Navy, and my family's big
in military. But this announcement we've just had is absolutely fantastic.

(01:26:02):
And I have a grandson out at Linton at the moment,
he's following in our footsteps. Both my husband and I
were communications. So yeah, I think it's about time they
need that sort of thing, because for young people to
go in the military, it's a great it's a great life.

Speaker 22 (01:26:19):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Nicely said bar to travel. Yeah, I mean a lot
of the texts that we're getting here. But in terms
of your time at the Air Force, was it hard
for you to see the you know, the Skyhawks for example,
being mothboard and that funding start to reduce more and more.
Was that hard for you to see when you were
based within the Air Force?

Speaker 26 (01:26:41):
Yes, that was That was really hard because I personally,
I thought we should have given those skyhawks to the Australians,
and the Australians and the New Zealanders share them so
that we could have an integrated force there, not get
rid of all our great pilots and all our good airplanes.
That was stupid, That was really silly. And when I
was in the Air Force at that time, we got

(01:27:02):
taken into a hangar the whole base and told we
were weren't allowed to mention one word of it outside base,
and that would I didn't like that because you know,
you couldn't you didn't have a chance to talk to anybody,
and it was just done.

Speaker 10 (01:27:16):
Barbara.

Speaker 26 (01:27:16):
Yet we had guys that you know, they nearly committed
suicide because they they were just halfway through their training
and all sorts of things. You know, it was just diabolical.

Speaker 10 (01:27:27):
Really, that's rough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
So, Barbara, did you see combat combat in your time
and the news in Defense Force?

Speaker 26 (01:27:34):
No, I didn't. But when I'd done my twenty years
in the Army, I wanted to know if I was
good enough. And so I went and joined an aid
agency in Croatia.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Oh wow.

Speaker 26 (01:27:45):
And I got leave from the Air Force to do that.
But I went as a civilian and I learned a
great deal.

Speaker 10 (01:27:52):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:27:52):
I just was amazed how these guys get on over there.
And when I came back, I was really confident that
I could do just about anything.

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
And so when you have people and the defense forces, Barbara,
and we've had a lot of people bringing in texting
and saying, you know, there's a lot of you know,
civil defense work with the army, but with the Defense Force.
But do you do people want to get into combat
because that's what you trained for. And as you say,
you wanted to test yourself, you know, after you left

(01:28:24):
and went to Croatia. But is that what you want
if you've got the training to fight, is that what
you want?

Speaker 26 (01:28:32):
Is every sold every soldier wants that. That's why they
joined the military. But having said that, we need communications
we need people in the stores, we need people everywhere,
and they're doing just as good a job as anybody
that's going overseas to do combat. And I think there's
cross training all through the three forces and they can

(01:28:54):
do anything, whether it be you know, and I don't,
you know, sort of like to say killing, because that's
not part of our mindset in New Zealand, but if
we had to, we would.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yeah. And why did you leave, Barbara? Was it retire
mint or something else?

Speaker 20 (01:29:10):
Yes?

Speaker 26 (01:29:11):
I retired, Yes, because I'm seventy five years old now,
so I was getting on and yeah, that things were changing,
you know, I got a lot more modern and younger people.
You know, I was getting a bit old.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
And did you say that that you have a as
a nephew that's going into the service, had a grandson, grandson.

Speaker 26 (01:29:31):
I've got a grandson, yes, year And did he reach
out Linton?

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
And did he reach out to you for advice? Did
you you seduce anything around the force?

Speaker 26 (01:29:40):
His parents lived in Australia. His father was in the
Air Force and he loved his grand granddad. And we
were both in the army, but my husband became a
policeman after we both retired. Or just before he became
a policeman and carried on. But my grandson loves it
out there, and he's in signals like I was and

(01:30:01):
my husband was too, so he's he's the next generation
coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Wow. Okay, well, thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (01:30:08):
The equipment now, yeah, sorry, I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Know you're just about to say the modern equipment now, the.

Speaker 26 (01:30:13):
Modern equipment is absolutely unbelievable. I was lucky enough to
go up to wou for a reunion a while ago
from my husband's unit. Because my husband's passed away now,
but his unit and seeing what they're doing up there
is just well, mind boggling. I'd love to be back
in the army a now, thirty forty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
You've been great to chat to. Bara. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
It's interesting in the in the you know, if you're
in the defense sort of sources. The cat is pretty cool,
I was talking to. I did the speaking event with
Jamie Panell, who wrote Serviceman J The Untold Story of
an nz ESAs Soldier, and I asked him the saying
how much do you like the cat? And he goes, oh,
the kit is so good, especially when you get the

(01:30:58):
American cat when you're over working with the American military.
It gets a pretty good cat.

Speaker 6 (01:31:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Call love to hear your stories if you
have served in the military, or about two sign up
for a career in defense. We are keen to chat
with you. It is twenty two past.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Good afternoon, and we are talking about joining the defense
force on the bank of significant increase in funding nine
million dollars of new money over the next four years.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
John says the Ukrainian Russian war has shown modern day
warfare now involves the massive use of unmanned unmanned Why
did I say that? So we had unmanned cheap drones
for surveillance, killing infantry, destroying tanks, armored personnel characters, carriers,
artillery pieces, and even warships. There needs to be a
massive spend on drones and drone operators. Well, there is

(01:31:59):
a lot of mention in the major investments list we've
got here of uncrewed autonomous vessels, counter uncrewed aerial systems.
There's a lot of uncrewed listed in this. So, yeah,
they are definitely looking into that into drone technology. Wayne
Matt told us. You know that the the uncrewed doesn't

(01:32:23):
mean there isn't crew on the ground. Yeah, and there's
a lot of there's a lot of jobs still in
that area.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Mark, how are you this afternoon afternon gentlemen? How are
you very good? And what's your view on this?

Speaker 20 (01:32:35):
Oh?

Speaker 27 (01:32:35):
Look, I think about time.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
I look.

Speaker 27 (01:32:39):
All my family served in the military. I had great
uncles both for grandfathers and my great grandfathers were in
the First and Second World War. I've had family that
were in Korea. My father volunteered to go to Vietnam,
but back then it was he missed out because it
was done on birthday, so he never went. So and

(01:33:01):
I've always had an interest in the military. I think
it was from the stories that my grandfathers used to
tell me what one was an My mom's dad was
in the Pacific and the Air Force, and all of
my dad's side were in the Army, and his mother
was in the Woman's Naval Auxillary during the Second World War.

(01:33:21):
So it's been really and so I joined their training
courts and thoroughly enjoyed it and loved it.

Speaker 26 (01:33:29):
It was.

Speaker 27 (01:33:31):
And the thing about it was is three time the
same ranks as the Air Force. So you'd go and
you'd fly up to Rigorm at the time in christ
Church where you do your Junior n and Senior NCO
and officers courses, you were flying around to the other
Air Force bace.

Speaker 15 (01:33:49):
He lived and worked on the Air Force base at
that time in Rigram. He also did things called living work,
which I had two opportunities. One of them m I
spent a week with number three Squadron which was then
flying our Airquois. And the second one was I went
away and lived worked for a week when we were
doing out Petrie K a rhyme and their ryans were
doing the conversions to the K conversion and that was

(01:34:13):
fabulous and that was in the basis out of Blenham
and else Blenham there would burn.

Speaker 27 (01:34:19):
So and that led me on to go to the
Air Force, which unfortunately I didn't make. I did all
the tests pass and a couple of weeks from Antack,
I had a severe injury playing rugby, fairly destroyed one.

Speaker 10 (01:34:32):
Of my knees.

Speaker 27 (01:34:33):
So that governed me because as a kid growing up.
My heroes were the men and woman that the two
greatest generations that the world has ever seen, which are
the men and woman that served in both World Wars,
and I wanted to be dislike them. I wanted to
be someone who could do something for their country and

(01:34:54):
for the people, because that's what my grandparents. And also
I wanted to have a career because I saw what
happened after people left, you know, like it's great. So
my son joined the Air Training Corps and he thoroughly
enjoyed it, and he's hopefully either some part of this

(01:35:15):
year on an intake to the police force. I really
wish he'd joined the armed forces because he's a technical
savvy guru. But he's choosing the police forces eventually, so
that's great. I think it's about time that our armed
forces have had Look, you know, it's what annoys means.
These people say that, you know, it's a waste of money.
You know, would you still drive a car around daily

(01:35:37):
or use old technology like our armed forces have been.
You know, these people need the proper tools to keep
up with the rest of the armed forces. And what
really really irates me the most is that there are
people with those negative messages calling fascism and stuff like that,
Like they wouldn't understand, like they need to spend less
time on social media, on Facebook and googling words. They

(01:36:00):
would have an idea what fascism and Nazism is. Like
I sort of said, our military forces have upheld and
the highest degree, like we've got one of the only
Commonwealth countries that ever double Victoria Cross winner, you know,
and this one was really happy. Like our armed forces
need it. I would encourage the lot when I was

(01:36:21):
in a factory, when all these young kids would come
through and when they left, I was so proud of
one of some of my young workers would go to
the Armed forces and they'd get things like building, marine
engineering and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
I mean, why.

Speaker 27 (01:36:35):
Wouldn't you want to go there? You get a trade,
you get feed, you get paid, you get to.

Speaker 6 (01:36:39):
Go all around the world.

Speaker 27 (01:36:40):
If I could turn back the clock and not play
Rugby two weeks priors me to go into the Air Force,
by god, I would go and do it. I would
my heroes and the people. I respect most of this
country as anyone that puts on that uniform, regardless if
you're non combatant or not, you have my highest respect
and you always will.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
We appreciate that it's been a fantastic chat. It certainly has,
and I tell you what, ad a lot from people
that have been in the Armed Services and the New
Zealand Defense Force that speak highly of the experience. Although
this person says it's not the playground, you guys are
making it out to be. The army is tough. I
don't think anyone was saying it was the playground. I

(01:37:22):
think I think some of the reason why these people
have been saying that they love their time and the
NZ Defense Force was because it was hard, not because
it was easy. It was a playground. We need to
invade someone to make it fun being in the military.
I'm thinking you Caledonia or Tahiti tah Tahiti. We've spelled
that wrong, or even maybe Tasmania. The Aussies wouldn't mind cheers.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Robi, So do we would be nice?

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Do we need to invade Tasmania to get people excited
about joining the military. Actually, I think recruitment numbers are
going pretty well.

Speaker 6 (01:37:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Absolutely, And there was a few questions about salary increases
in the military that will be announced in the budget
at the end of May. But thank you very much
for all the techs and phone calls on that one. Right,
Why is bald sexy again? Is bald beautiful was certainly
receding airlines? It appears it may be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Yeah, absolutely, let's look into that next one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Do you fancy a bald man?

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Thank you very much, Raylene. Receding hairlines are now suddenly sexy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Yeah. Wilton Goggins and White Lotus watched the final finale
last night. I thought it was a fantastic series. I'll
probably go second series, first series, third series, but I
think the third series was still fantastic. But it's not
about the review of that. It's about pa people saying
on the back of Walton Goggins and his receding hairline

(01:40:13):
that receding hairlines are sexy. People are looking for them,
which I think is interesting because I wonder if we,
if men could just get over our fear of losing
our hair, if we would be unstoppably powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Yeah, it is. It's a huge source of anxiety for
pretty much every man out there, the feeling of going
bald and slowly going bald. But hopefully that's turning around
with the receding hairlines now having sex appeal.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Yeah. So do you find bald people attractive? I mean
there's different ball people. I mean there's some people. Whether
I've got a full headed here or not. It's not
going to save their faces, is it. But as baal
a problem anymore? Is it time for bald people to
stop shaving it all off and just doing what Larry
David said and owning up to it and having the

(01:40:59):
bits around the side. The Captain steu Being's around the side,
the Larry David's around the side. You kind of see
it a little bit with Prince William. Oh yeah he's gone,
but he hasn't shaved it all off. And I'm going
to say that Prince William looks rubbish bald.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yep, well completely bald. I think he's got to shave
off those little bits of tough hair on the side
of the head.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
I just think, unfortunately for her, he's not someone that
that suit's being baled Dwayne the Rock Johnson does absolutely,
Shaquille O'Neil does. Callie Slater is a good looking boy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
He is a very good looking man with baldhead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
But I saw this billboard when I was driving to
work this morning and it said it said you look
but better bald something no one ever says, that's what
the billboard says, or something to that effect. I was thinking,
that's a lot. I remember in my twenties I thought
I might be going bald.

Speaker 6 (01:41:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
It turned out that I was trying to bleach my
hair to look like Kurt Cobain and burnt a lot
of it off. It does surprise, but I was worried
as going bald. And there's this huge amount of anxiety
about going bald. But does it really matter? I mean,
you can look good with the receder. Is it time
for us to celebrate the receder? Yeah, celebrate baldness.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call just looking at a survey that was conducted last
year and apparently, according to the survey, eighty seven point
five percent of women find bald men attractive. But they
went further to say, what should one work on to
rock his bald look. If a man's going baled, what
does he need to do to continue looking attractive? So

(01:42:32):
forty six percent said that they need to be more
confident in themselves and people around them. Yep, fair enough.
Thirty six percent s he'd grow a girthy beard.

Speaker 10 (01:42:40):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Yeah, they've underlined the word girthy there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
But then you can kind of look like you're running
an upside down haircut if you're not careful.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Exactly. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Is bald beautiful or at least receding hairlines?
Is it sexy?

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
Again?

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Love to hear from you? It is twenty two to four.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Hu's talks.

Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
The'd be names in common with him? Hell like what
he those old?

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Nice?

Speaker 13 (01:43:13):
I mean if your age, Oh he's bald and you're
going bald, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:43:18):
Not going bald?

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Okay from Walton Goggins, Yeah, that's on White Lotus. What
a fantastic show. But as we were saying before, Walton Goggins,
Receder is getting rave reviews. And it is now. It
has been said some fashion magazines that bald is back
and bald is beautiful, and you want to recede, Mandy.

(01:43:43):
Your thoughts on.

Speaker 28 (01:43:44):
This absolutely because all those men out there who are
worried about losing their hair, they can actually hold their
head high. They have higher levels of testosterone. Yeah, so
I'm not saying they've warned off on the bad head,
but you know that is a slight Mother Nature's complement

(01:44:07):
to them. You know, we've got genetics involved. I can
look back on a wedding photo and all the twenty
thirty year old male cousins. We can see the receding hairlines.
There's lots of reasons. And I don't think man should
worry about being baled. I'm glad it's starting to look
people are accepting it as more suave than, if nothing
else they're experienced in life.

Speaker 15 (01:44:28):
I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Oh, thank you so much for your court many. It
is a more interesting thing that they do say that
an excessive testosterone, which makes you more manly, actually brings
about male patent baldness. So you often see a bald
guy that's super hairy, So you'd think that we would
evolve to think that being bored was better because it

(01:44:50):
indicates higher testosterone. But then you look, so you look
at someone with a full head of hair like you,
Tyler and beautiful, that means that you're low testosterone. You've
got estrogen here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Yeah, it's same with you as well, mate. That's what
a qu A flock of seagulls you've got eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is another of the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Call Scott, welcome to the show. You've been bored for
a while and you're loving it.

Speaker 25 (01:45:11):
Mate, I've been going board. It's hereditary. I can go
back three or four generations and it's everyone's They're all
the same with my dad and my granddad and all
the way through. And I tried to fight it when
I was young, and I got to the point where, mate,
I'm going to go bored, I might as well go
bored disgracefully, and I just clip it. It's a zero

(01:45:35):
cut summer and winter, and it feels like a tennis.

Speaker 6 (01:45:38):
Ball and I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
You love it? Yeah, I mean once you decide to
just get rid of it all, it's kind of a
superhero situation, isn't it, Because you know you don't have
to worry about winning your head in the shower. You know,
if you're going for a run, some physical activity, your
head's not getting as hot.

Speaker 25 (01:45:56):
All the money I saved on hair products, and you
know it costs me what one hundred and thirty bucks
for a new clipper every twelve months or so, So
you know you divide that out for your hair. It's
a pretty cheap haircut.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
What about your sunscreen budget? Though? That must have offset
that a little bit. You've got to stuck up on
the sun stear.

Speaker 6 (01:46:16):
People will hate me.

Speaker 25 (01:46:17):
I don't wear sunscreen.

Speaker 15 (01:46:18):
I wear baseball caps.

Speaker 25 (01:46:21):
But I yeah, I know I'm pretty bad at not
wearing sunscreen, to be fair. But you know, they say
one thing is that apparently God only made so many
perfect heads and the rest he covered with hair.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
I like that, Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
So are you saying, Scott that you've got a shapely skull?

Speaker 25 (01:46:41):
I have a very song that I would think I
had one the similar to a current prime minister.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Actually, oh yeah. So it sort of round us because
there can be people. I've had friends that have gone
bored and they've sort of had an alien head that
sticks out quite a long way out the back and
that can be a little bit problematic.

Speaker 6 (01:46:57):
No, I would think of bowling ball.

Speaker 25 (01:46:58):
You could probably a couple of holes in there and
she would be right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
Yeah, shape ly. Now, genuine questions, Scott, do you ever
give yourself a bit of a treat go down to
the barber and get the straight razor cut across across
the head?

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
I haven't.

Speaker 25 (01:47:12):
It is something that I would like to do, but no.

Speaker 14 (01:47:15):
I haven't done it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Yeah, Scott, you're a good time.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
I tried to shave your head with a blade.

Speaker 25 (01:47:20):
I capped myself and the wife wasn't very impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Yeah, yeah, Scott, you're a good man and you're waving
the bald flag high. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Well there you go. See if Scott's fine, he sees
it as a positive. So why are we so worried
about going bored? Why did I spend my twenties worrying
about going baled and then I never did? What is
wrong with us? What does it matter?

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Well that was from Scott's own perspective, to be fair,
and he was a good man. But let's hear from Sue,
soeen is being bored beautiful?

Speaker 11 (01:47:50):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:47:51):
I reckurn.

Speaker 11 (01:47:51):
So I met my husband when he was seventeen and
his hairline was looming back even back then, and that
was in the eighties. Now, I used to have a
bullet with a receding hereline, nicety, And then when we
got married at twenty two, he got rid of the
mullet and started to just clip a cup and then

(01:48:12):
it became really obviously he was almost like aerial advertising
to McDonald's. So we're like, yeah, no, that's going to go.
So he decided to just shave it all off. And
he's fifty five now and we shaves his head a
couple of times a week. And when he did shave
his headone was like, oh my god, you.

Speaker 27 (01:48:30):
Looks so much better.

Speaker 11 (01:48:32):
So he's been bald, you know, for years, and would
never even entertain the idea of growing as ear back.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Is he herey and the rest of his body if
you don't mind me asking, No.

Speaker 11 (01:48:44):
No, he's got a bit of chest here, but no,
not herey at all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
No, because with the bald man, they'll have a lot
lot of here and other parts of their body. So
what is it that people don't do the captain steubing anymore?
The Larry David When did that stop happening?

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
You don't see just the sort of the band around
the back, isn't isn't it the George de Stanza.

Speaker 15 (01:49:11):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's just not a good look. Is
it just not a good look?

Speaker 11 (01:49:17):
And I mean, I mean, you know, my husband often
says that, you know he's going to go out of
the world be does he look in the same way
he came into the world.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
So he's just a big, beautiful baby.

Speaker 11 (01:49:30):
Yeah, and he looks so much better bald. And now
over the years he's got to TN on his head.
Doesn't look that great when you first do it, but
you know, he's he looks really good. And now he's
just got a bit of a facial beard and yeah,
he looks pretty fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
There you go, Sue, and listen to that men out there.
It's fine going bald and it all off as wicked
as this. Texas said, being a bald man is like
being a superhero, except instead of a cape, you've got
a scalp that reflects sunlight like a disco ball. Is
it sexy? Absolutely? Baldness is nature's way of saying you've
evolved past the need for here you're too powerful, You're

(01:50:05):
Jason Stathan the Rock, mister clean ball and sparkling with confidence.
There you go, that's from Luca.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Wow, I'm astally written.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Well, I just read the bit at the end. I'll
skip the bit at the end where Lucas said I
think not actually and that actually meant all the opposite
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Yeah, you had us there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
I've got a lot of power in reading out the
text if I sense it. That last bit it was
the most positive pro ball text of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, Jimmy? How are you?

Speaker 16 (01:50:32):
How are you?

Speaker 19 (01:50:33):
Tyler? Maddy?

Speaker 12 (01:50:35):
From you, Jimmy, I'll tell you what said.

Speaker 19 (01:50:38):
You've got a wayward words. Amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:50:41):
But one of the first ball buggers I the saw
was hil Brynner Ah from the sixteen yep West World.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
I Love I Love him in West Wild. What a
great movie that was.

Speaker 12 (01:50:51):
Oh mate, Yeah, I've seen a cub his movies. But
I tell you the man that stands out definitely the Rock.
I mean, he's a handsome, big dude at six forty
five or sick, mate. But I'm still sticking with my
beautiful silver here you mate, But I got to give
them credit mate, the and Jason's statement, you're right, mate,

(01:51:14):
he's up there.

Speaker 7 (01:51:15):
He's a midship buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:51:17):
He's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
I'll go to any Jason State the movie. I know
they're pretty much the same movie.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
This he went out for the Workingman brother.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
The working Man is Jason State. Them is Jason Statham
and a Jason Stathan movie. But they're still good. Oh
you're going to be not snow white off number one,
Not snow white off number one in the States.

Speaker 12 (01:51:34):
Tell you with a maddie, you know what he was
a gymnast, Yeah, fantas yeah, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Jason Stathan, he was. He was a Commonwealth diver. Yeah,
back in the day. Yeah he Jimmie, you say you've
got Jimmy, you say you've got the the gray here
so silver here is. Are you receiving it all or
you got a little of a patch at the bankers
at all?

Speaker 18 (01:51:55):
Good?

Speaker 12 (01:51:55):
I know I'm coming up seventy one in about a
month's time, but I tell you from my heart, I
love what I've got. But I see a lot of
bull burggers and good, make no disrespect, but Jimmy preud
and what I got, and no bugger's gonna take it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Yeah, No one's going to steal Jimmy's here exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Check it on their board here he's on to you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
What's that song that mentions your Brenner. It's gonna go
through my head till I work it out. Someone will know.
Oh it's got everything.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Oh oh god, oh god. I'll come back with that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
I'll work it out.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
He certainly was. I mean, that is the definition of
a chrome dime, isn't it. There wasn't much here on
the guys here did he shave his eyebrows as well?
Notice to it the eyebrows. Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten
eighty is the number to call. I'm gonna play some messages,
but we'll come back with more of your calls.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
It is ten to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
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everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 6 (01:52:55):
Used dogs EDB on news dog z edb.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Good afternoon, It is seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
I'll tell you what I love. The text machine it
news tog zby. It's the oracle of information. On song
I was looking for was, of course one night in Hankock,
I Murray heard from Chess, Bangkok, oriandal City and the
city don't know what the city is getting the krem
de la creme of the chess world in a show
with everything, but you'll, Branner, that's what I was looking
at for.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
I love looking out for that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Thank you, Terry Savellis. Yeah, he was a good looking
bald man, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Uh Triva, you reckon boll is beautiful?

Speaker 22 (01:53:29):
Yeah. Well I had five more brothers and the six
of us is five the boll My father was bulled.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
You are you baled? Triva?

Speaker 22 (01:53:39):
Yeah, I only got here on the.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
And how did you do with the opposite six? Triva?
Pretty good?

Speaker 22 (01:53:48):
Well I've got nine sisters as well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Right, so you want to go with you?

Speaker 10 (01:53:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:53:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
And uh, Triva, did you do you have Have you
shaved it all off or do you leave the steubings
around the side?

Speaker 22 (01:54:01):
No, I have it whatever. I've had it shaved off
and I've had I've got it round the side now.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
As is your brother that's not bald? Does he lord
it above you?

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:54:15):
No, he just know where he needs to do it
because we've been bull for Oh well, I've been bull
for about twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Sounds like you're proud of your baldness, and I respect that.

Speaker 22 (01:54:26):
Yeah, it's what you are. You can't do anything about it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
There's no good war.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
There you go, you are, Yeah, there you go. Vin
Diesel very sixty man. Stanley Tuccy, Yep, yeah, he's a
good shift as well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
It's good cook.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Terry Andree. That's a good looking bald man.

Speaker 10 (01:54:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Oh, Samuel Jackson, good looking boardman. Daniel Devido, great boardman.
Wouldn't necessarily say good looking. Terry Cruz. He's a good
looking buff board man. Brooklyn nine nine, great show. Kelly
Slater is a good looking bald man. Shaquille O'Neill. That's
a great boardman, right there, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Prince
William I don't know, No, probably I think he was
one that was better with here.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Yeah, Michael Jordan another another very sixty.

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
Ye.

Speaker 8 (01:55:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
So if you think bald people are so succeed then
I challenge you to shave and a captain stubing. Look,
save the top off and leave a bit around the side,
like Larry David, how much are you going to give me? Well,
I'm just you know, the courage of your convictions. If
you think being bored is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
I'll wait till I'm receding properly before that song. Yeah,
very good. Hey, thank you very much for today. Really
enjoyed the chap. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi and remember,
bald is beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:55:36):
I'm contemplating I that you watch.

Speaker 29 (01:55:38):
I wouldn't invite you, but the Queen's wils would not
excite you. Told me about to go back to your bars,
your temples, your massage parlors, to.

Speaker 10 (01:56:15):
Despair and next.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
With your compund.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
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