Full Show Podcast: 11 April 2025

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Hell are you Great, New Zealand? And welcome to Matt
and Tyler podcast afternoon show. That's not what it's called.
It's called Matt and Tyler Afternoons on zb Full show
podcastnawed it number one oh seven for Friday the eleventh April.
Really really enjoyed the show today, so I hope you
do too as well. Things got pretty salacious around the
school boards, hotbeds for affairs. It turns out pretty interesting

(00:40):
stuff around sleep as well, and you know you'll find
out how to make how to have a happy marriage
and a happy relationship.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
It was a very sixy show. I've got to say here.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Involves two bedrooms, yeah basically, and on top of that
some heavy, heavy, heavy objectification of men and woman. Hope
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Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good afternoon do you welcome into the show. Great to
have your company. As always on a Friday afternoon, get
a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Get a Tyler, get everyone. Have you got yourself a
poppy yet?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Tyler, I haven't yet, but I have contributed. I've sent
through a donation by the techs number. So that's nice.
That's three bucks straight to the Poppy Day appeal. But
you have you picked up a couple outside of Bunnings?
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, that's right. And it's look, I got a compliment
for how much I paid for them because the guy says,
how much you want to pay for these three poppies? Yeah,
and I said I'm not going to say how much
and he said very generous of you.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh nice. So a couple of hundred bucks at the least.
Surely nowadays Poppy Day today and if you want to
us send a three dollar donation via ticks. That number
is eight five nine five. But you'll see the clickers
out and about today and over the next week before
end day.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You've got to get a poppy. So what was that
number again, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Eight five nine five. If you ticked poppy to that number,
that will instantly donate three dollars to a very very
worthy cause.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Eight five, nine five, I'll do it right now.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yep, do multiple Timesfortunately I can't multitask, so I'll sort
of be zoned out for a bit. Well, why you
do that? I will have a chat about what's coming up,
very fine and poppy poppy. You don't have to have
a capital P poppy, so po.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, pp white, pep white.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
And then flip that through and bo I've got three
bucks just like that. That's easy, isn't it so easy?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
And you feel good doing that? Right on to today's
show after three o'clock, as we always do on a Friday,
New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, So who do you want to see is New
Zealand of the Week? The panel is still out, the
judging panels, so they are open to suggestion, and by
they I mean me nine nine two is the number
five and three? Who should be the New Zealander of
the week.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yes, and we'll also have you chat about sleep on
the back of a article in the Herald, eight ways
to sleep when your thoughts are racing. It is obviously
something that most of us need to do on a
regular basis, and we want to hear your tips and
tricks forgetting to sleep, and also the change from what
used to be. You know, you'd call it the hustle
culture and those people who say, yeah, I can get

(03:35):
by with only five hours sleep. That turnaround that now
are you prioritizing your sleep? That is after three o'clock,
after two o'clock. We want to talk about Robert Irwin.
He has done quite a sixy photoshoot.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
That's right. It's got a shirt off, you know, Robert.
He's the son of Steve Irwin. He's in great shape,
he's taken a shirt off, he's got a python around
his neck, and he has been objectified up the wazoo
by a woman all across Australia, which has caused another
woman to say that this disgusting and hypocritical and that

(04:09):
we shouldn't be objectifying men if we are objectifying woman.
What do you think about that? Should we should we
be objectifying anyone? My personal view as men don't mind
being objectified, some woman don't mind being objectified, I'm sure
as well. But should it just be a blanken roll?
If we've decided in society that we don't say those

(04:31):
kind of things that they are saying about Robert Irwin.
If we don't say that about woman, then should we
not be saying about old Robbie there?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yep, that that is going to be a good.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
If he doesn't want to get objectified, I'd say, don't
pose with your shirt off and a python around your neck. Yeah,
because it seems to.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Be that was going to be pretty rauchy. Seems to
me that's what you wanted, very provocative out toiler. That
is after two o'clock right now. Let's have a chat
about school board. So the Education Minister, Erica Stamford, is
looking to sit and stone what a school's ultimate goal
should be. Erica Stamford is introducing this bill requiring boards
to have attendance management plans. It includes mending school board

(05:09):
objectives to make educational achievement the ultimate goal. Here's a
little bit of what she said to my classk in
this morning.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Schools are all self managing entities, and the boards are
the ones who have the power and the control. And
it depends on board.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
You have some boards who do.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
An excellent job, who make sure that schools are assessing
their children. They get copies of that assessment. They make
sure that their schools are on track. I mean, I've
seen some excellent strategic plans and excellent annual reports where
schools are tracking student achievement very well. Other schools just
don't have the quality of people who are putting themselves

(05:44):
forward for the boards. Who don't do has got a job.
So what we will try to do, I think, in future,
is try and get some standardization across board so that
they are looking at the same things and reporting on
the same things in the same way, because at the moment,
schools all report on completely different things in different ways.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
So that makes a lot of sense, right, standardizing how
a board of trustees operates.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I have to admit when I heard that morning
this chat, I didn't realize how much school boards done.
And I've had two sons that have gone through three schools,
and at no point have I ever run my head
across the school board and what they've done. But when
you look at the power that they have, policies and procedures,
planning for the future, employing school staff, complying with the law,

(06:26):
managing budgets, they do a lot and they have a
lot of power as school board, and they are varied,
obviously depending on the members. You can get on your board.
The quality of the school boards. So I don't know,
how can someone like me go right through the school
system with their kids and not have any idea about

(06:47):
the school board? Is that the experience of a lot
of people. I think I saw some emails saying do
you want to vote in the school board elections?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And did you?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I ignored them, Yep, yep. And look, I wasn't a checked
out member of school. I coached sports teams, you know,
I helped out at fears, I did all kinds.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
So you were involved in the school community extent. But
I mean that raises the wider question to those out
there listening right now who have been a part of
a school board, what is it like? How many hours
you have to put into it? Do you get paid?
And I believe they are responsible for employing the principal.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right yeah, and they employ employing all staff, all school staff.
The board and who's on the school board. Community representatives
are elected by parents, a staff elected representative, the principals
on there are a student represented if the school has
students in year nine and above, representatives of the school's owners.
If the board is for a state integrated school, So

(07:45):
good good boards, bad boards? Your experiences with boards? Are
you on a school board? What are the challenges and
how do you think about the standardizing of school boards
that is being put through by National YEP.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
And how many times say the word board? Ohene hundred?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Are you getting bored with? How many times I say bored?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Ohen? One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've been involved or up against a unruly
school board. I love to hear from you. It is
thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 3 (08:23):
Be good afternoon sixteen pass one of the Minister of Education,
Ericus Stanford is introducing a build to standardize how board
of trustees within schools operate. Seems like a lot of sense,
but we've asked the question or your experience of being
on a school board? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Fraser, you twelve had twelve years on a board, twelve.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
Years, eleven years.

Speaker 9 (08:46):
That's the person at my two boys at the primary
school that we were stopping after and.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Very rewarding.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
It's just good fun in a community orientated school. I
don't recall ever getting paid for it, but this is
in the late nineties, early two thousands, and just developing
a school from a small role to a medium sized

(09:21):
role in the particularly in the first six or seven
years that we were the same board was all working
together with and yeah, just the half of the community,
you know. We we we fundraised and put a big
playground in which was open to the community. And that
was surprisingly how many people it drew from outside of

(09:44):
the area that we were living in at the time
because of the adventure playground. We had big sports fields
and the like. Just good fund and it was that
really was good fund. It was pretty pretty tense with
the e R at times and and the like, you know,
because they favor quite a big stick, and and we

(10:06):
were our compliance with always there and just thoroughly enjoyed it,
really really enjoyed it. Never had any parent issues, never
saw any kangaroo courts about what was going on outside
of the school about the school and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Phrase you said, you said, you said that you grew,
that the role grew. Was that one of your you know,
goals as the board, did you work your big objective
was to grow the role? And how did you go
about that?

Speaker 9 (10:37):
It was it was, it was all. It was really
the chemistry of the teachers and said, we put a
big we put a big ben of playground together with
the local with the local body, and and it just
I mean, we had the space for it. So there
was there was a pop field and a bottom field,

(10:59):
and then we had this big adventure playground and there
was just space for kids to be kids at school.
And we with the meetings were all about you know,
the confiance and reporting and all that sort of stuff.
But then there were the etectives of what we were
trying to achieve. And it said, I mean, in the

(11:21):
first seven years we went from a when I started
was sort of the role was around twenty one two
and the following seven years and we're up to the
glade fifty sort of things, you know. So it didn't
happen overnight. The double and the numbers did not happen overnight.

(11:42):
It was a progressive thing.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
So Phraser, did you did you get paid for that
role or how many hours would you dedicate to it?

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Too?

Speaker 9 (11:49):
Well, I don't recall ever getting paid for it. I
honestly don't get any money for it. And for some
for some reasons, I sort of feel as though that
I think the money that we were getting paid was
actually going back into the school fund.

Speaker 10 (12:04):
Right And and but that's I mean, we're talking twenty
I mean, I ate in this tweety eight now, and
he left that school and when he was eleven or twelve,
so you know, I was talking.

Speaker 9 (12:16):
Seventeen years ago. It's a long time when you get
to my age.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Ye ye, Hey, what was the quality of the because
obviously across your twelve years you'd had board members come
and go. What was the quality of the other board members?
You have good and bad ones.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
Really really good.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
I know, I know that.

Speaker 9 (12:37):
Your lady, he took over from me. She continued with
the direction and and the and the growth of the school.
And I mean it was, I mean, the big the
big thrill, The big thrill for me wasn't it was
the school that I.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Went to as a kid as well went there as well.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
That's community, you.

Speaker 9 (12:58):
Know, it was always it was always there was always
a part of a dinner or a barbecue or here after.

Speaker 11 (13:04):
Work or whatever.

Speaker 9 (13:05):
What was happening in school with things that my sister
and brothers remember what they used to do at that school,
and we used to to get to get the city,
to get city schools. Coming to a country school was
certainly one of the highlights of them. And the kids good,
the kids just be kids. That the city kids could

(13:26):
get dirty, you know what I mean? You know they would,
they would you know they play at a sand pedal
or that they didn't have a tamper probably of their school,
and that's sort of thing. But they could also and
play you have a fooling rugby patrol.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
That's sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's awesome. Whereabouts was the school? Fraser? Whereabouts is it?

Speaker 9 (13:42):
So it was? It was the Makro Model School which
is out on the west coast of Wellington.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right, yeah, good, thanks for sharing. Board members. And is
not a paid position, but you may receive compensation for
your time. What does that mean.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'm just looking at the ministry. Isn't it a.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Ministry of education? And said you could say Tyler that
that Matt and Tyler afternoons. It's not a paid position
for you, but you get compensation for your.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Time and thank god to that. Eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Love to hear your experiences of
being on the board of a school and if you're
a parent who came up against a board that was
a little bit unruly, it wasn't working right, we'd love
to hear that experience.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, here Go has a text on that. Hey, guys,
reboards of trustees. I've been a teacher in New Zealand
for over thirty years. Board members, kids get preferential treatment,
They help their principal bully staff, even when there is
a substantive evidence of bullying. They have no idea what
is going on. They always fall back on that we
are only volunteers. Bs. They're not up to it, and

(14:40):
they think they're better than other parents. They think they're
better than the rest of us. That's from Jan.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Wow, Okay, quite a bit of trauma with a school board.
Here you go, Jan, thank you very much. Joe eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number call.
It's twenty two past one.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking Breakfast.

Speaker 12 (14:58):
Asia business correspond to Peter Lewis Withers, but one forty
five for China? Is that a completely separate thing? That
will unfold in its own way or because of China
is China.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
We're all in this toge.

Speaker 13 (15:08):
I think in some ways we're all in this together
because what happens to the Chinese economy perfects the rest
of Asia. About fifteen percent of China's economy depends upon exports.
Around fifteen percent of that goes to the US, So
this could easily shave off a couple of percent off
of China's GDP because when tariff's at one hundred and
forty five percent, trade between those two countries has come

(15:31):
to a complete.

Speaker 12 (15:32):
Hawseback Monday from six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Maybe's real Estate Newstalk zeb.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Afternoon, we're talking about school boards on the back of
the Education Minister. She wants to see some changes implemented
with standardization across how those boards operate. Text tiar guys.
I once served on a school board and it was
incredibly difficult experience. There were personal relationships involved, including family members,
and even are fears that was a complete mess. This

(16:01):
is good. I strongly believe the board needs to be
replaced with individuals who genuinely have the skills and vision
to move our school board. Rather than settling for whoether
is available from a limited pool, especially when some have
their own agendas.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, this business is I get about four hundred a
year to be on the board. This is to cover
travel expenses, babysitters, et cetera for each meeting. It seems
like and this is this is maybe why some standardization
is being looked for, But it feels like people have
very very different experiences with school boards. We've got a
lot of people texting through so they have a fantastic
time on school boards and that this school board is great.

(16:37):
This text seems kind of snooty and kind of what
you say, what do you think of this text that
came through school boards are just a way for rich parents,
rich popular parents to lud themselves above everyone else in
the school.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Oh that is there's some history there.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty our school boards
just with the rich, popular.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Elitist mark. How are you so good?

Speaker 14 (17:01):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Now, you were a former principal and you served on
a board as well, is that right?

Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yep?

Speaker 15 (17:09):
And so as a representative?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Okay, And what was your experience like on the board?
Was there any scale, Dougrey, was there any interpersonal relationships
that didn't.

Speaker 14 (17:19):
Work there can be the biggest problem, and the education
ministers doing exactly the right thing. Is if you don't
have it clear why you're there as a school, then
then all sorts of social dynamic issues will come in.
Let me give you an example of someone you've just

(17:41):
spoken about. If the people on the board don't know
what hat they're wearing, parent hat, board member hat they speak,
then they'll be conflict because the boards looking at the
whole school. The parents rightly so looking at their child,
so they should actually be excused from that meeting while

(18:03):
while they have a difference being discussed, If that makes
any sense.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
We're getting a lot of people coming through Mark that
are saying that they believe that their child got treated
unfairly because another a person on the board's child was involved.
So that was preferential treatment to the children of people
on the board.

Speaker 14 (18:24):
And parents will always feel that if their child gets
a speeding ticket, the police probably targeted them.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Speaking absolutely on the.

Speaker 14 (18:34):
Phone, well, it's the problem of the police officer who
was looking in the window of the car. That's what
we're like, is a society.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Was there any rules in place Mark that you had
to have some of the board made up by parents,
some outside just good community members who didn't have children
at the school, and then people like yourself who was
a staff representative.

Speaker 14 (18:55):
Yes, and the biggest task that a principle has is
getting the right people on the seat in the bus.
And I was the right board members in place. It's
a miserable job.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
What was that? Sorry, just on that and I didn't
ask that with much clarity, But what was the split
between parents on the board and those who did not
have children.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
At the school?

Speaker 14 (19:17):
A probably sefty seventy right, Okay, I don't have the
exact number, it.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I can I can tell you. Yeah, there's a helpful
diagram at the at the school board elections dot org
dot NZ love a good diagram. I'll get that to you.
Might take a couple of minutes to get that out.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
And what we find that, I mean, the reason I'm
asking this mark is is it almost seems it can
be a conflict of interest. I understand why it can
have benefits as well, because a parent will be involved
in making sure that the school and the children they
can they've got the tools there to get the best
out of them. But also, as you mentioned the conflict
of interest angle is clearly underlying in all of that.

Speaker 14 (20:03):
Well, if I can, the most misunderstood thing is why
the school there? What's it there for?

Speaker 5 (20:11):
What's what?

Speaker 14 (20:13):
And the education mister is clarifying this, I hope. And
are we there to affect the social dynamics of New
Zealed or are we there to ensure that students thrive.
Once you've sorted out why you're there, then all these
discussions and conflicts can be put into a context.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, And I think that's what Erica Stanford is saying,
that that the primarily the primary goal. And I I
had the exact things she said in front of me,
I might do. Actually she's a bit of amim so
amending school board detectives to make educational achievement the ultimate goal?
Is that what you're talking about? That so every board

(20:56):
knows that educational achievement is the ultimate goal of the
school board in terms of the school.

Speaker 14 (21:04):
Every board you should know, I would maintain their problem
we don't and otherwise and then be data and forked
what will make the biggest difference on students learning and
chase that and.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
So you know, we're just talking to a caller before
who said they did a lot of work on getting
a playground in there. Yep, and playgrounds could fall into
that sort of remit of, you know, educational and achievement
being the ultimate goal.

Speaker 14 (21:36):
Yes and no. It depends whether we're sorry about that one.
It depends what you can do with your playground. It's
been shown overseas that outdoor learning is one of the
best things to involve in your in your trial in
students learning, and we've got a generation of kids who

(21:56):
don't play outdoors now that increases students learning. But if
you've just got a playground for the sake of a
playground and benefit in your office and others, so does
the maths class go out into the playground and use
the playground as part of what they're teaching so that

(22:16):
they can teachualize the topic they're teaching. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 14 (22:23):
In that place, the playground is going to be a
great thing. Getting kids dirty. I used to have kids,
the five year old kids. We'd always have an outdoor
fireplace and they would cook marshmallows over it. We'd teach
them to light a fire using flints and things like that.
It was a great learning experience.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's very cool. Thank you so much for your call. Mark.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, we have headlines coming up, but O one hundred
and eighty teen eighty is the number to call. Love
to hear your experiences on the school board and also
just to follow up question because we're around our time
for mat But the PTA, how does that dovetail into
the board of trustees. Loved to know if you've been
part of the PTA, it is twenty seventy to.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
The half of VALPTA.

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and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Thank you very much, Raylan. And we're talking about boards
of trustees school boards on the back of the Education Minister.
She is introducing a bill to standardize what they should
be sitting out to achieve, which is student excellence in
terms of the education.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
And Peter texts, gentlemen, I'm staggered that the educationalist has
to remind anyone the reason for existence of schools. That's
from Peter. This Texas's typical nets pushing responsibility onto unpaid volunteers.
Boards can be criminally how to account. Look at the
Fungarai High School situation. There are Before we were talking

(24:58):
about who's on a board, there are three types of
representative members who are elected onto the board. These representative
board members elected by the parent community, staff members, and
in the case of schools with students above year nine,
the students. There are also other types of board members,
including the principal, co opted and apported board members are
student boards. Membership includes parent elected or selected representatives. That's

(25:22):
usually five the principal of the school, one staff elected representative,
one student elective representative. This is in schools with students
above year nine state integrated schools. Four board members appointed
by the proprietor. The board can co opt additional people
onto the board for gender, skill, or ethnic balance, and
the Minister of Education can appoint an additional board member.

(25:44):
That's the rules as they stand now. Right.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Very good, Steve, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Good?

Speaker 17 (25:51):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (25:52):
And you were a chair on a board for six years.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
Yeah, I saw I wasn't going to do it, but
then the offortunity came up and so put the name forward.
I guess what I'd say, first of all, is Eric
of St. Stanford is a really smart lady. What she's doing.
I actually my wife's detect and she had an opportunity
to go along and listened to her, and I sent
her along and she came back just buzzing. I think

(26:15):
she's got the right idea with what they're looking to do.
The difficulty is it's a bit like the MPs we
saw in Parliament yesterday and the people that go on
the council. Anybody could really put their name for it,
and if they get voted on, they're voted on. So
I guess the quality of the candidates is really important.
So whether the principal's going out into the community are

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looking for opportunities to get people on with sort of
skill sets are going to benefit the school.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That was really the.

Speaker 14 (26:42):
Case with us.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
We had an HR and family lawyer, we had a
business owner, we had a banker, and we had an accountant.
And our prime purpose and as the chair, was how
can we make school benefit everyka And if you have
that single in front of you, our job was to
manage the school finances and planning and strategic plans and

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you know, recruitment of quality teachers and then the teaching
side it's really over to the specialists who are the principals, DPS,
team leaders and the stuff. And that was the basis
on which we operated. We had disagreements on things at times,
but I guess as a chair my job was then
to make sure that we got to a consensus decision

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for the better of the kids.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
So, Steve, when you say make things better for every
kid in the school, is that educational achievement that you're
talking about is better?

Speaker 8 (27:42):
Primarily?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Erkri Stanford said that educational achievement should be the ultimate
goal of the board.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Hotally, and the educational achievement doesn't mean everybody getting to
one standard. That means your kids that are struggling, what
can we do to make their time at school better
so they can come out with something that's going to
take them into their life. And then you have your
really bright kids who are obviously more capable. It's about
trying to touch every child, give them the best opportunity,

(28:11):
and if some of them need more resources and more time,
then that's what we did. In fact, what we did
is we we managed to save enough money that we
employed an extra teacher to give release so that the
kids who are struggling, had more time one on one
or on lower numbers to try and a system. Yeah,

(28:31):
it's you're always you know these stories about affairs and
families and people wanting good influence. I mean, boy, I'm
obviously missed out on their board because we.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Had none of that.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
But make it good soap drama, wouldn't that.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
It does come down to people's attitudes and if people
think it's a status symbol, then they're probably not doing
it for the right reasons. And it's very hard to control.
Like I'm saying, people can put their name for it,
but the parents do vote.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
So when it when it comes to the election, Steve,
do you do people run campaigns or is it just
just suit out there in an email.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
All that I worked at in the number around the area.
You basically just a little by on yourself about your
background and then why you wanted to go on the board.
So what were you what was the purpose of you
going on? What you're trying to achieve by being a
board members?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So we're to be frowned upon if someone's door knocking
or individually emailing appearance and on a.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Car, that's to me, that's just going way too far.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Away.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
You know, if you walk into a primary school, we're
dealing with five to eleven year olds. These are the
are the future of the world. They're not tainted by anything.
They don't know what racism means, that what, you know,
all these negative things that we have as adults in
the world. So we've got to keep their eyes bright
and and that's who we were representing. And that was

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the thing that I came back to all the time
when we're making decisions. Is it the right thing to
do for the kids?

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Just for me?

Speaker 5 (30:00):
You know?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, just in terms of getting the best candidates you can.
Would money help that along, Steve, because that is always
the argument local body right and central government and any
role where you want the best of the best. Their
remuneration is a big part of it. Would that help
it all getting good people on school boards?

Speaker 5 (30:19):
I'm not so sure. I got seventy five dollars as
chairman a meeting and the others got fifty, and that
was just an allowance to cover your time. The chairman
does the most work, you know, I guess I was
passionate about it as well. But the cha chairmen works
directly with the principle, and I'm not so sure, because

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then you might get people doing it for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
People are doing it for money, that might be that
make it a weird, a little bit tainted.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah, and that's not what volunteers do. Volunteers out of
the goodness of their heart want to help make something better.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah. And did you ever have trouble getting enough volunteers,
enough people that are willing to do it for basically
no money, just you know, a couple of expenses. Thinkers
covered it not on.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Our board because I guess we when we had people
leaving the board, we went and tried to sort of
identify people we thought would be and that wasn't friends
or it was just what to get we've got on
the board in terms of knowledge, and we may create
a great relationship. You talking about the Parent Teachers Association
that were the home and schools. They can be in

(31:23):
issues that they are a much more political group from
my experience. But what we did is we just co
opted the chairman of that group onto our board. So
we shared lots of stuff at a high level with them,
which they kept confidential, but it kept them in the
loop because they were the fundraising and the drive to
get you know if you want the new playground or whatever.

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They were the people that were generating the money, and
it made them feel part of the bigger picture, so
we didn't have so much animosity between the two organizations.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Thank you so much for you call, Steve. I appreciate that.
Here's a text I want to be on a school
I wanted to be on the school board for my
kids who are accused of bullying, which they weren't the kid.
They had made it up. It didn't get on the
board because the principle made up lies turn parents against me.
School Boards are corrupt.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well great fixed.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
There's a lot of stories.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
It has a lot of scandal behind the old school board. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Talks that'd be thirteen to two.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
A lot of techs coming through on school boards boards. Hi, guys,
love your show. As a former school principal, I have
many stories to tell about boards of trustees, stories that
should never be told. But he's about to tell one.
I do remember one meeting. We were halfway through the
meeting when the board chairman called the holts of the
meeting and said they needed to have a break outside.
One of the female board members went outside too. The

(32:51):
rest of us sat there as time went on. Finally
we went outside to see where they were. They were
now to be seen, so we called an end to
the meeting. Need us to say later that week two
marriages ended and the chairperson and the lady board member
went off together. Wow, big smile from Jason, Thank you
very much. They are hotbeds. Sixteen years on a school

(33:12):
board twelve is cheer. Got paid forty dollars monthly a
meeting which included subcommittee meetings and all works some weeks
doing twenty hours or more per week, appointed four principles
in that time and got to work with some amazingly
high profile for people who were also Board of trustee members.
Had to navigate issues with when finance officer stole more

(33:32):
than one hundred and forty thousand dollars from the school
and was imprisoned. Really lucky to have a unified board
and community only wanting the best for the school. Great
to have a lawyer and accountant involved with their professional skills.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
One hundred and embezzled.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
There are so many stories coming through about school boards.
Kevin Well, welcome to the show your car.

Speaker 18 (33:56):
I've four been twenty four years on the current board
and I was in a high school for about seven
at the same time, and was also on the menu.
Were in the Hearts and Initiative, which was representing the
board members of just AUB all the schools in the area.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
And you've loved it, You've loved you on the board.

Speaker 18 (34:19):
I love it and I'm currently enter my six six
year as board chair. And I was board chair in
the a few years ago as well.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
And how did it go as chair? Did you run
into any r G bargie with some of the other
board members?

Speaker 18 (34:35):
No, not really, nothing like some of these other schools
of that you know, you've entered me watch over as
governance and you've got a principle in their senior management
and the staff that are going to provide the curriculum
that's needed. And No, we just discussed what we need
to discuss and make the right decisions and try and

(35:01):
like the others have tried to do and treace to
how many kids are come into school and attend that
all that other stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Kevin, if you had kids at the school the whole
time you've been on the board.

Speaker 18 (35:13):
My two girls went to the school.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (35:16):
My wife started work there before the girls started, and
she's still there after twenty eight years, and both my
girls are now back at the school. Ones a school teachers, Wow.
The other ones a DP.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
That's awesome, Wow, A family affair at the school. Is
this a rural school, Kevin.

Speaker 18 (35:38):
No, it's a school and menu are a It's just
just fact that it's always done that right, the right
things by our family and the way our girls have
been educated and got degrees and all that, and that's
where it all started.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
All good on you, Kevin. A lot of techs coming
through my wife as a teacher at intermediate school. The
stories I've heard about the board of trustees influencing decisions
and being responsible for hiring and firing staff based on
their race base and political ideologies is nothing short of
shocking when their focus should be on the fact that
the best, when their focus should be in fact on

(36:20):
the best for the children's learning instead, is that texture
Apparently a few conspiracy theorists, etc. On school boards trying
to direct the way things go this Texas. Is anyone
that joins a board or pta for their child is
there for the wrong reasons. That's an interesting one. There's
a text here from John I know that what that

(36:40):
guy means about politics on school boards. I tried to
get on our local school board as I live right
next to the school. But the excuse given was I
didn't have a vested interest because I didn't have any
kids at the school. But I live right next door,
I am part of the local community. And also there
was a lawyer and an accountant who are on the
board and they didn't have kids on the school board
at the school either. But it was okay for them,

(37:00):
but not for me. I mean, do you really want
the person that lives right next to the school on
the board just complaining about every tennis.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Boardly, what a nightmare. And this one from Marca get guys.
I was on board for twenty years over three schools
as an old boy representative ex farmer. The young professionals
came in pushing their kids to be prefects, et cetera.
And when they finished university it's all on their CV.
It was absolute byes private school in Hawk's Bay. Never again.

(37:28):
It is a little bit corrupt. It is eight minutes to.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Do Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Envy is five to two two.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I was just at the rest of the text that
I started reading before. Anyone that joins the board or
PTA for their child is there for the wrong reasons.
I spent twenty eight years on ptas and boards and
all roles, including quite a few as chairmen, always asked
to join, never trying to get on, and the single
biggest issue every single time was parents who believed their
child was more important than the other kids. Many times

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made decisions that weren't the best for my children, but
were the best for the school as a whole. I mean,
that's like when you're the coach of the cricket team
and you're umpiring and your son gets a plumb LBW
on the back foot right in front of little stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
We've all seen it, some people have done it.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
You don't put your finger up, No, It's impossible for
a kid to get an LBW when dad's dad's.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Umpiring as it should be this one quickly. All boards
sign a conflict of interest register and that is the
biggest thing to avoid in governance. School Boards are the
biggest conflict of interest out there.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
And finally, I haven't been on a school board, but
it was on a surfboard for a while but didn't
work out. I fell off, So there you go. But
I know, I think most people surely would agree that
school board's objectives are to make educational achievement the ultimate goal.
So that's what Erica Stanford is pushing for.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, great discussion, thank you very much. Right after two o'clock,
let's have a chat about Robert Irwin, a radio presenter
in Australia, is lashed out as some woman for being
hypocrites over their reaction to rob Erwin's sexy underwear shoot.
So the question we want to put to you is
is there a problem with abject to find men?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call
look forward to hearing from you after news, which is
coming up next.

Speaker 19 (39:23):
Well, this is just a little Peyton place and your
own Harper Valley hypocrits.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 19 (39:32):
Put you on because it really dead. It happened just
this way.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
That day my Mama.

Speaker 19 (39:39):
Sucked in too, the Harper Malli Pty, the day my
Mama sucked in too, the Harper Melli pt.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons news Talks. It'd be.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Seven past.
Too great to have you company as always. Now, just
a reminder coming up and a little over an hour's time.
New Zealander of the week.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Who will it be? Kick your suggestions coming through on
nine two nine two. We haven't made the final decision.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yet, yep, looking forward to that. But right now, let's
have a chat about objectifying men. This is on the
back of Robert Irwin. You know him well as the
son of Steve Irwin, very famous Australian family. He has
caused a bit of a steer with a very sexy
photo shoot he did recently.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's right in People magazine. He's stripped off for a
bonds campaign. He's got to shut off with animals around it.
At one point he's got a python around his neck,
which has led to a lot of innuendo. Yeah, he's
happy with it. He said he didn't really think about it.
He's trying to do different things. He obviously does a
lot of work on his bod. He's got a better

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bod than his dad Steve had, Steve great, great Australian.
It's got good abs in he Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
He's only twenty one though. You know you should have
some pretty solid abs at twenty one, should you?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Oh, he's I think he's got a twenty five pair.
Does they have to be even.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
He's pretty ripped?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
H I think it's I think it has to be
sex twelve, eighteen or twenty four. It goes all the
way up. Yeah, no's he's in fantastic shape. What's Bindy
up to at the moment? Last time I heard from Bindy?
This is off topic, but Bindia when she was on
Dancing with the Stars and she broke wind during the final.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, that's another issue altogether.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
If you know what's happening with Bindy. Two is a
text number, but so two GB presenter over in Australia.
Her name is Lucy Azalik, and here's a little bit
of what she said on the on her radio show.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
The issue that.

Speaker 20 (41:47):
I had with it was. This was the comments that
ensued thereafter, predominantly of course, from women, and I want
to read out some of them to and explain to
you why I have an issue. Here are some of them.
What a great day to have eyes? I shouldn't like
what I see right? This one from a woman called Heather.
What bowler constrictor are we looking at? Another one from
a woman called Angie. We all watched his dad dangle

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him in front of a croc. Now he's dangling his
snake in front of everyone. Another one from Veronica. I
would let you put a spider on me, Christy Robert,
I think I'm now a cougar? Is that a species
you can handle? Ranza?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Why not?

Speaker 20 (42:23):
Now I'm ovulating now?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (42:26):
The reason why.

Speaker 20 (42:27):
I have a particular issue with these comments is that,
in this pursuit of so called gender equality, and how
appalling it is for men to objectify women, Why is
it okay by today's standards to objectify men if we
are all in pursuit of gender equality, et cetera? Why
do the double standards apply here? Why do the way

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that we comment about women get criticized, but the way
that we comment about men get celebrated and accepted.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, and this is interesting, So can you objectify me
in eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.
I think we don't care. I think Steve Irwin doesn't
care if he's been objectified. I find those comments funny.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, that woman.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Says, even if it is hypocritical or there's a double standard,
I think the reason why it exists is because men
don't care if you objectify them. Objectification is the act
of treating a person as an object or a thing.
It's part of dehumanization. It's disavouring the inpanity of others.
And I think when it comes to females, it's considered

(43:35):
dangerous to normalize objectification because it teaches this is the
argument teaches men and boys that females are sexual objects
above all else, that woman exists to be looked at
and consumed and discarded. That's the argument against it.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I think a lot of men would like to be
looked at, consumed and discarded discarded.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I don't know about the discarded part. Maybe, I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I think it is probably hypocritical to say. And there
was the oscars a couple of years ago where all
female hosts massively objectified and got the hot guys actors
up on stage, and that that god was a bit
of controversy because if it had been around the other
way it would have been a huge problem. But what

(44:21):
do you think about this, Tyler, and what do you
think about this? Everyone else on urned at eighty ten eighty?
Can you be objectified if you want to be objectified?
Because Steve Irwin doesn't seem to mind. He doesn't hasn't
taken his shirt off and put a snake around as
as neck for bonds.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
He knew what he was doing, not to be objectified.
He was trying to be seductive to sell some boxers too.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
In fact, actually, well you know, how does that marketing work?
Does that sell to females? Does that mean to sell
to fellas? I suppose it, as bonds make stuff for
women as well.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, but they's a yeah, that's a really good point.
When Dan Cart was walking around as undies all those
years ago, was that is it for women to buy
for their men?

Speaker 18 (45:04):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
I think, yeah, that's it. How you're onto it.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I wonder what the percentage of undies are born by
men for themselves and brought or brought by women for men.
But which is an interesting point as well, because it's
a very different thing. If your partner buys you a
six pack of boxer shorts, right, that for some reason
is a different statement. Then if as a man you
went out and bought your woman undies for some reason,

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that's a very different thing, especially if you turn up
with a six pack of Rio something and have the matter.
She'd be like, no, excuse me anyway.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, But if the shoe was on the other foot,
and say it was Bindy and Bindy was scantily clad
and trying to shift some underwear and had a snake
around her neck at that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Point, a lot of the puns wouldn't work.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, a lot of the puns wouldn't work. But there
would be men who would be clearly objectifying that campaign
because that's kind is that part and parcel of it,
Or instantly you're labeled to creep if you do that,
which I can understand why you would be label to
creep if you did that.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Well, Cass says, it's called payback. And they are not
so sensitive either, and we and they are not so
centitive as the men. I mean he's putting himself solf
right out there. Yeah, I mean that's part of it,
and that the reason why I find it funny is
because he wouldn't care. No, So you're not there's no
there's a victimless crime.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Just go and have a look at that photo if
you haven't seen it, and the way that he's sitting
and the way that it's delivered. Clearly he wants to
be provocative and very seductive.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
But if you flip it around the other way, Tyler,
and a woman is appearing in bonds undies as you say,
is that they're okay? You know, obviously she's doing that
for money, and it's a still image and you don't
know anything about her, so she is kind of being
an object and demonstrating how good the undies look on it.

(46:55):
Women don't call them undies dear they no, But there's
a word that people don't like people saying about woman's undies.
It triggers people. If rod Irvan is comfortable enough to
put himself out there modeling were then surely he wouldn't
mind a bit of admiration that's from Ellie. So there
you go.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Love your thoughts on
this one. Can men be objectified or is it double standards?
It is fourteen past two.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
Be.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Good afternoon. It is seventeen past two. Is it a
problem to objectify men? It's all kicking off over in
Australia on the back of Robert Irwin, the son of
Steve Irwin, doing a racy photo shoot with a men's
underwear company with a snake around his neck in provocative poses.
But a two GB presenter over in Australia, Lucy Zealik,

(47:53):
has come out swinging saying it is double standards and
women are hypocrites.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Campbell, your thoughts on this?

Speaker 21 (48:02):
Yeah, I just wanted to point out another double standard.
We're going to left on arms about objectification of women
because we say, you know, we're only interested in their
bodies and how they look. But we have the same
double standard with sports people, where we're only interested in
them for what they can do on the sports field.
We're more than happy for them to put out their
bodies on the line for our entertainment. And then as

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soon as they walk off the sports field, we forget
about them and don't really care until they're back playing again.
And so it seems to me that we're happy to
objectify some people in some circumstances, but in other circumstances
it's not okay, and there's no consistency amongst it.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
That's an interesting point, actually, and you could say that
about soldiers as well, yep, and police officers. In people's professions,
we forget their humanity. We just go that's an object
its job is to do that. That's a really interesting point.
And I'll tell you what Campbell on a straight objectification

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in the sort of the sexual way, that happens a lot.
And you know, if you're watching sport with a female.
I mean, I remember the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup
when Sonny Bill Williams had to take a shirt off
and change it on the on the sideline at Eden Park.
There was a lot of objectification going down of that
man in the room that I was watching it from.

Speaker 21 (49:19):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't. I mean, one
part of me says nobody should be objectified, but then
the other part of me says, well, we're pretty selective
about when we do and when we don't. So where's
the line and who gets to decide it? Because it
seems to be arbitrary that it depends on the person
being objectified as to whether they're upset or not. You
don't know, that's all it happens.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, that's right. And it seems that Steve, I'm not
Steve Irwin, Robert Irwin here doesn't seem to have a
problem with it. So Campbell, would you mind if you
were objectified and if several ladies walk past and wolf
wistilled you, how would you feel with my.

Speaker 21 (49:53):
Stunning dadbod I would be highly surprised and I'd be
a bit chafed.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, I think most fellows would.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, you're going to be I think I might take
it as sarcasm.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 20 (50:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
E one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Matt. Women used to like being noticed, objectified. Wolf
whistles from the building site were a badge of honor
until it was insisted we were letting down the sisterhood
by enjoying it. Yes, definitely double standards and inappropriate. Can't
have it both ways. Oh, and said Steve Irwin passed away.

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How would he feel about his son objectifying himself? That's
from Joanne.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I don't know. I mean you could argue that Steve
Iwin objectified animals. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Did he love the Crocs? Or did he? It was
kind of a love hate relationship with the Crocs, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Can you objectify animals? I think you can objectify animals? Yeah,
I think you can. Yeah. This this an interesting quote
we've got here from a professor of philosophy at Emory
University's very famous man called George Yentzi. You might have
read his stuff. He says, I've been conmplicit with and
have allowed myself to be seduced by a country and

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a society that makes billions of dollars from sexually objectifying
woman in commercials, video games, adult entertainment, and Hollywood movies.
I am not innocent. No man is innocent. We must
change there you go, yep, this guy's reckons. Men got
to stop objectifying woman, But should women stop abjicctifying men?
If that's the case.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to
call love to hear your thoughts. It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
News Talks, ed B. My, my, this has kicked off
a bit of a hole. Some great techs coming through.
On nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
This is an interesting one, objectifying yourself for charity. The
New Zealand Fire Department objectified themselves and calendars for years
to raise funds. I don't remember hearing in complaints in
the media. That did shut down though, well, I can't
quite remember the story of that. The fireman which was
a fantastically successful campaign for you know, for a very

(52:03):
very good cause, hot Fireman calendars, that something happen with it.
I think it was last year they stopped making it.
Someone might know on nine two, nine, two hundred and eighty,
teen eighty why they stopped doing it. Was it because
the objectification was wrong.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I'm just I've got a story here that the final chapter.
But yeah, we'll do some research on that about why
it all ended.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
But that's an interesting one. Objectification for good causes that
really complicated, complicates the issue. Sarah, Welcome to the show.
What's your thoughts on objectification of men?

Speaker 22 (52:39):
Well, First of all, I just I just sort of
got into the conversation maybe a little bit while you're
already on it.

Speaker 14 (52:46):
Welcome and thank you.

Speaker 22 (52:49):
What I just thought was, you know, you were talking
about Steve iwins Son initially.

Speaker 18 (52:55):
Is that raight?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, Yeah, that's right, Robert doing.

Speaker 22 (52:58):
Yeah, And I just thought that, you know, if someone
chooses to be in the public are then you know,
a celebrity or sports people or people like that, then
part of that should be that they should accept some
degree of objectification and judgment. But or except that it

(53:20):
comes with being that, you know, like a celebrity or
famous or whatever. But with regard to object objectification of men,
I'm not sure I think that would be for men
or women. But yeah, I don't have an opinion about
the police and firemen, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, I mean it's an interesting one because what Robert
Ewin has done here as he's posed for photos for
People magazine, for Bonds, so it's a commercial thing. So
in that situation, he's definitely put himself up for an objectification.
And I would say it's kind of the it's kind
of the point of it. It's not it's I mean

(54:01):
that's he is obviously referencing his work with animals in
the Australia in it. But you could do that with
thatking your shirt off and as soon as you take
your shirt off and all yourself up there, then then
it's a different kind of thing, as opposed to say,
someone walking down the street just going about their business
and wolf whistling them that that's a different thing.

Speaker 22 (54:22):
Would you say, Sarah, Well, it depends because I think
I think sometimes you can invite objectification depending on how
you present yourself. I know, I know that's probably not
really how a lot of people would like things to be.
But it just is like if if if you choose

(54:44):
to take your shirt off and things like that, then
then people are going to have judgment whether you're walking
down the street or whether you're a celebrity.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You know, So would you would would you agree that
that's the same say If I don't know, let's just
say bindy his sister did the same thing. She did
a bikini a bikini shoot with a snake around the necks.
Then then all the comments would.

Speaker 22 (55:08):
Be Okay, I think I'm not sure what the comments were.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Well, they wouldn't They probably wouldn't work. Here's some of
them from from media. Do you think he can handle
a cougar?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Yeah, that's quite a long point. Yeah, this one that
is a hell of a python. I wonder if his
python is quite long. That's quite on the nose, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Sarah dangling his snake in front of the world. I
like to see it. It's they're funny. They're funny comments.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Yeah, and you wind it.

Speaker 22 (55:38):
If she did it. Of course she should accept the
same sort of thing, because she's she's chosen to do that.
Of course, I mean what do people expect. Of course,
people are going to have judgments funny not funny, or
talks of things. If you put yourself out there like
that on the street or in the public, are you
going to get it?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean exactly. I don't think Robert Irwin's
a victim here. No, No, and I don't think And
that's kind of why I think it's okay. So the
whole point of this is coming up from I'm from
a lady in Australian media what's her name on the
radio l Lucy's Alex has said that it's hypocritical and
that if women are going to complain about being objectified

(56:18):
in the media, then they shouldn't objectify men. But I
don't think so, because I just don't think men don't
want to be objectified.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
And it wasn't like a last minute thing with the
snake and said, oh, just why you're here, Robert, you
don't mind if we just tangle a snake around yourn
because oh why would you do that? Clearly he knew
what in your window was going to be with this
massive python around his neck.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
If you go online, Christopher lux and our prime minister
gets a lot of full on comments people that don't
support him, abusing the way he locks. Yeah, there's so
much attack on the way locks. And that's objectifying in
a negative way because surely how he does as a
prime minister is what you should be talking about, not

(57:01):
how he looks as he's going about what he's doing
as a prime minister.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head
that if you were objectify a man in a positive way,
then that is a okay. Most guys like that. But
if you talk about their body in a negative way,
then that is where the offense comes in.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
So if Christopher Luxon whipped his shirt off, put a
python around his neck and posed in some bonds undies.
Then it's open slept.

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Speaker 3 (58:52):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about the
Robert Irwin photo shoot that is causing a bit of
controversy across the ditch. A two GB presenter Lucy Zellacas
come out swinging saying it is double standards of women.
Are hypocrats for ejectifying Robert Ewin?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, but what kind of I don't know. I don't
think there's the dudes care. I think that's I think
that's the difference. I don't think dudes care. Yeah, I
mean objectify it away. I got this wrong before. There
is the key we Firefighters Calendar twenty twenty five and
there and there are geez, there's some rock and bods
in there. Holy moly, there's some good looking dudes. They're

(59:32):
working the training must be intent. There's a lot of
six packs in there, so yeah, OK, buff that dude
is he is Robert. I'm trying to think of some
way to objective. Fy h, he can put out my
fire anytime he could. Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I'm as my cat up a tree.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Or the only I think I had a bunch of
hot guys. It doesn't yeah anyway, anyway, Yeah, we went
a bit deep on that one term your thoughts on
objectifying men, gentlemen, I.

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
Just want to give you a bit of a different perspective.
I'm a victim of all this, and it's actually hell
on earth, been objectified constantly. Right, I'm a pretty I'm
pretty good looking, do seely blue eyes. I've moved to
the premium catch as I've got through big fisties. I've

(01:00:25):
sort of probably drunk too much and eating too much
in the weight start on, and I'm finding myself's life
goes by that the and be pursued by chubby chasers
and they're a rabbit mob wild animals.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And how does that? How does that make.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:00:41):
I go to the beach and then they just undressed
me constantly. You could just tell her.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Undressing me with their eyes.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
It's gotten to the point now that I actually just
go and self harm at McDonald's and said to go
into the beach and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
To be self help groups for people like you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
To my think, yeah you are a victor. Yeah, look
I feel for you, and look thoughts and prayers that
must be tough.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
That would be guys. I find these posers deserve whatever
crap comes their way. You open yourself up for it
the instant you put yourself out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Haha, enjoying your show. Guys. I have to say I
find Christopher Luxen very sexy. I really get surprised when
people continually pick on his looks. I always think a
clean bald man is very sexy. So like she is
doing what these people have been doing to Steve Illwin,
objectifying our prime minister. He's just a hot hunk of

(01:01:37):
meat to her. Clean, He's just a beautiful, clean bald man.
She's just an object to her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Guys. The difference really is women are funny and use puns,
where if it was been the most of the comments
would probably be far more aggressive and disgusting and creepy.

Speaker 18 (01:01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Well, I will say that the comments were funny, but
we only got the funny ones. You know, if you
go through, some of them might not have been funny
for front of some of them might have just been
raw crude sexuality.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I'm sure there were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Is there anything wrong with objectifying men? Love
to hear your thoughts, Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
That's Matt's texture. Is just text you something very funny.
If I can't read it out, that's pretty good. That is
a good pun that's very good. That's a good one, Adam.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:02:33):
He Alad's frequent list the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Call it good man, welcome aboard.

Speaker 15 (01:02:38):
I thank hey. Look, we're listening to your talk about objectification,
and I'm a no favor of objectification, but why can't
we appreciate things as well? Right, Like, if we look
back through time, you've got a lot of art and
sculpture where mood men and women feature quite prominently back
hundreds and thousands of years. Well, we don't call that objectification,

(01:03:03):
and we call it and we call it appreciation, and
we appreciate it and celebrate it. So if someone has
a good physique and they've been a lot of time
in the effort to get themselves looking that way and
are willing to put themselves out there as as as
a model or whether it's for art, whether it's for
a commercial or whatever. Why can't we Why can't we
celebrate that and appreciate it? For me, objectification is about

(01:03:27):
a reductionism, right, like reductionism of someone to just their
physical form, whereas you can appreciate someone's physical form and
still have a lot of respects for their intelligence and
what they bring through society.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, I mean it's a really interesting point you raise
there philosophically, because once something's a picture, right, So you
take the Venus demilt, right, which is fantastic piece of
art obviously, I think it's made about one hundred and
ten vcs, that's been around for wascon currently got an
arm missing. I don't think that's coming. It's two arms missing, actually,

(01:04:03):
if I remember rightly, yep. But that was that was
that was you know, sculpted around someone had a subject
that it was sculpted around. So are you objectifying the
original person that was sculpted When you look at the
Venus Demilo and go wow, that's an amazing sculpture.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Well, that was the definition of beauty, wasn't it back
when it was sculpted, And as you say, it been
long held up as a work of art.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't find the Venus Demilo
that hot myself, but that's just me personally high standards
from me. But I see your point, Adam.

Speaker 15 (01:04:38):
Yeah, And I guess you can look at it and go, oh,
this has been done for completely commercial purposes, right, But
I've been to plenty of art galleries which feature photographs
or sculptures or paintings of people with a man or
woman and they are produced for commercial gain. Right, Those
pieces of art are for sale, which is no different
to selling a pair of undies really in my book,

(01:04:58):
And you can potentially go, well, yes, it is an advertisement,
but what is art? Art can be anything, right, So
why can a commercial which is or a photograph and
which in this why can't it be considered to be
a form of art.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I think that's a very good point. And over time,
these things can you know, you see advertisings from the
nineteen fifties now and have been elevated to the form
of art. But hey, thank you so much for you call, Adam.
I mean, it's the you know, the modoriza is nothing
no better than a bond's under his air.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah, effectively a four hundred million dollar bonds ad. But
if Robert Irwin got no comments on this photo shoot,
that would be far more offensive to them than clearly
the comments that he got. It was designed to be provocative, insductive,
and if people came out and said, ah, he's so
so pretty average body, then that point that would be offensive.

(01:05:51):
But the way that it's you know, played out, I
think it just brings some equality.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
If anything, this texts said the word missing in the
previous callers dialogue. This was a call before that that
was talking about people getting objectified and their professions, and
we were talking about soldiers and stuff. Is sexual objectification?
Are the army et cetera signed up for their bodies
to be used in the way that they do? Yeah,
I mean we are talking about sexual objectification, but I

(01:06:16):
don't think it's Male bodies have been used as objects
for a very long time, as cannon fodder sent into war,
and not always of their own choosing. Yeah, you know,
conscription has been a big thing for a longer time
than it hasn't been, So you could you could argue
that a lot of men his bodies have just been
used as objects to get in the way of arrows

(01:06:40):
and bullets and cannon.

Speaker 23 (01:06:41):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, human shields. This takes from Linda. Guys. This is
just advertising genius, all ossy long grass, trampoline, hills, washing line, snake,
spider and crocodile. It's a laugh tradees underwear have a
lady and Bloken the adverts and old Geezer and Oz
who owns a bakery is doing a skit of this
online in his bonds with a bunch of buns and

(01:07:02):
a snake and it is going off.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Someone will know. On nine two, nine to two, there's
this very funny Australian comedian and she posts things on Instagram.
And so whenever a model does an Instagram shot which
she walks in and you know, does a sexy pose,
this very funny Australian comedian she does the exact same
pose and like you know, she's she's carrying a little
bit of weight. But she's a very very funny woman.

(01:07:26):
So if someone can remember who she is, because she's
very funny.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
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ten eighty is the number to call love to hear
your thoughts. Is there anything wrong with objectifine men? It
is nineteen two three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
V Afternoon, sixteen to three. There's been a flood of
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Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
I love the ZB nine two ninety two search engine.
It's better than anything. It's better than gurgle. I've said
every day. It's better than gurgle. It's better than any
of those rubbish AI searches that getting forced upon us.
Incident the Australian comedian, it's very funny. Celeste Barbara is
her name. She is fantastic if you if you're on Instagram,
follow her on Instagram and me mettethen Z, but mainly

(01:08:19):
her Celeste Barber, because what I guess what she's doing
is she's really parodying woman that objectify themselves. And it's
so funny because when you'd have to see it see
what she does. But essentially she shill play a video
of someone coming out and sexy outfit, doing a sexy

(01:08:40):
move and looking at the camera, and then then she
imitates it and it just makes the original person seem
so ridiculous. I think it's some of the best I
guess satire on objectification you will ever ever see.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
She's very intastic. One hundred and Eightyeen eighty is the
number to call Ken to get your thoughts about is
it okay to objectify men or is there anything wrong
with it? It is on the back of the objectification
of Robert Irwin in a very provocative photo shoot he
did in Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I am currently coming under fire from my objectification of
the Venus de Milo statue, a statue that was made
in the year one BC. Matt, your comments on the
Venus de Milo were actually gross, not funny. You don't
think the statue is hot? Who asked you? I can't
believe I heard that on z B. It's art you

(01:09:34):
absolute creep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Yeah good, it's beautiful sculpture.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Objectifying the sculpture. It's an object. It is an object,
and I just look, just from my heart, I don't
find the Venus de Milo that hot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Ray. How are you this afternoon, good man? Are you
both very good? And what are you reckon about this one?

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
Well, first of all, I reckon guys love to be objectified,
a lot of it.

Speaker 17 (01:10:02):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:10:03):
I've had a look at that of Robert Irwin's photos
and I'm like, you know, i gotta say, that's got
a good body. He's wearing some Tonet like boxers, he's
got a snake all over, and it's like, you know,
you would be insulted as Robert Irwin. A woman didn't
make some comments about his appearance and some innuendo about
maybe what they would like from him.

Speaker 17 (01:10:25):
A lot of it have ala.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
I remember, probably about fifteen years ago, I was doing
a Social WEK degree and we had a member of
the police come in to talk to us Sunday, strapping,
young Pacificer guy had on quite a tight top and
was quite muscular. Now, the Social Week demographic back then
was probably about ninety percent female, so there would have
been let's say fifty people, and there would have been

(01:10:49):
probably forty five woman and five guys. And the guys
intrinsically knew that you know, as a guy, you should
not be saying anything towards woman that would be derogatory,
anything with sexual nature. And if we had made fun
of the way of female coming to talk to us,
had it appeared, we would have been off the course

(01:11:11):
the woman on our course. When this male police officer came,
they whooped some like what was the famous question he
got asked? He said, any questions? What was the first question?

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Have I guess?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I don't know. What can your bench?

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
What are you single?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Of course that was the first question. Yeah, good question.

Speaker 17 (01:11:41):
No he was married.

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
Like, as a male student, if we've done that with
any female coming to talk to us, we would have
been off the course.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, and and I think I think you're absolutely right.
But why as men do we not care well or
as well? I don't love it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:58):
I think men love it as a man if you
get comments on you're being strong, or you know your
chest looks good, or you know you look good on
that shirt or look at your shoulders, guys love that stuff,
love it, you know what, because guys don't often hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah, yeah, But is it the fact that for most
guys it doesn't happen a hell of a lot where
for some speak for yourself to for some woman it happens,
it would happen on a daily basis, so constantly getting
wolf whistle, constantly little sort of crude remarks at them
when they're walking down the street. Maybe that's the difference,

(01:12:36):
that they just get bombarded with it, that they've had enough.
Whereas you know, imagine Brad Pitt does pretty well in
the old objectification, and if he's walking down the street
and all these women are screaming at him and trying
to grab.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
His I reckon, I reckon Brad Pitt would be sick
of it. I reckon he'd be one guy that would
be absolutely sick of it. Hey, thanks so much for
your court ray. It's interesting because I mean, the reason why,
as I was saying before that that people think there's
a problem with female objectification is the argument that it
teaches men and boys that females are sex or objects

(01:13:09):
above all ouse, that woman exists to be looked at,
above all ouse. That's the argument on the other side,
But I don't think men would really care. I mean,
in this definition I'm seeing here that woman exists to
be looked at, consumed, and discarded. Anyone's allowed to if
you want to look at me, consume me and discard me,
then go for your life. I'd be flattered, and I

(01:13:31):
think that maybe that's the difference. I think it's important
to remind people, says this text, that this topic is
not about how Irwin feels about the comments and whether
he's offended. The Australian host was only raising whether it's
okay in the current day for women who regularly call
out men on making any comment about their parents to
be doing the same. And I'm certain there'd be one

(01:13:52):
billion dollar minium to get together in building you multi
use stadium. This seems to have gone through too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
It's kind of linking two topics together.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
But to the first point, that's quite right that it's
not about how Irwin feels about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yeah, she's just putting out the hypocrisy of it, and
I was, and I can see a clear hypocrisy there.
But my point is we don't care. Men don't get
to fly away.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
If anything, a great show. I think men need to
grow up here. I think it's just a few small
percentage than it is precious. I don't know what is
happening in these days. If the guy looks hot, tell
him if the guy's fat, and think it is bigger
than you, tell him if it's smaller than you. I
think people just chilling in life. Steve, thank you very much.
I don't think I nailed the reading of that, but

(01:14:37):
that's all right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I don't think he nailed the right of it either, Steve.
I love you, Steve, but yeah, there was a few
mistakes in that one. I went one hundred eighty is
the number to call? It is nine to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Sarah, A very good afternoon to you. Hello, Hello and thoughts.

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
Yeah, I just put after I get a female perspective
on the male versus female objectification and use that example
that the previous caller had of, you know, forty five
women in a room sort of objectifying a male and
while why that felt quite different too as the roles

(01:15:24):
were there, yep. And I think it's because if you
cut a woman in a room with forty five men
where that level of scrutiny and kind of objectification happens,
that women would actually feel really unsafe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah, I agree, and.

Speaker 11 (01:15:38):
I don't think that. I don't think that's true the
other way, when the shoes on the other foot. So
I think, and I think a lot of females can
probably point to an example of a time where they've
felt some form of objectification has left them feeling I'm
safe And maybe that's a really unfamiliar feeling for men.

(01:15:58):
Haven't experienced that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I think you might have put the nail on the head. Yeah,
and that's possibly why I don't care if someone or
Steve Ewen, because there's no lack of safety in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Thes no danger in that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And also is this and this might be kind of
just slightly different from what you're saying, Sarah, But here's
the text that says he put himself up as a
lingerie model. That's different to a secretary being hit on. So, yeah,
it's quite a different thing, isn't it. And so we're
using this thing of sexual objectification, but it's across a
whole whole spectrum of things. It's very different if someone's

(01:16:33):
looking at a photo as to someone hassling someone in
real life, or let alone forty five men yelling at
one woman. They're very different things, aren't they?

Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
Yes, very different things. It's just interesting. I do start
thinking about it from I think the perspective of if
you slipper and what the person receiving the adjectification feels.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was just my comment.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Thank you so much of you call Sarah, just quickly,
Sarah on the Robert Irwin one and and you've hit
the nail on the head there with with that point.
But would you be you sound a bit younger than
perhaps some of these women that were commenting on that photo.
Do you think that is starting to change the way
that younger females would comment on a provocative photo like that.

Speaker 11 (01:17:22):
Yeah, lot, I'm flattered. I'm forty five, so I think
I'm probably right right, Yeah, but I yeah, possibly, I
mean there's definitely it feels like there's a lot more
awareness and sensitivity towards these things that perhaps the younger

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generation and i'd say particularly the male younger generations more
aware of. And yeah, maybe over time, over generational changes,
those things sort of shipped.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah, I think so much for your call, Sarah, great
call to finish. Thank you very much. That was a
very interesting. Now I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
It certainly was up next, ladies and gentlemen, who the
new Zealander of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Who will it be? The panel has been thinking about
this long and hard and has made that decision.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I think, well, I'm anxious. Who's it going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
That is huge? This is huge new sport and weather
on its way. The new Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Good afternoon, Happy Friday to you, Welcome back into the show.
Seven past three. Coming up very shortly, we want to
have a chat to you about the ultimate sleep Tips.
There's a great article in the Hero, but we're gonna
have a chat about sleep. How to get to sleep
when your thoughts are racing and hard to wake up
feeling refreshed. That is coming up very shortly, but right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Every Friday I met in Tyler afternoons on zeb we
name the New Zealander of the Week in honor that
we bestow on your behalf to newsmaker who has had
an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation over
the previous week. As always, there'll be three nominees, but
there can be only one winner, So, without further ado,
the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of
the Week are nomine one also gets the Queen's Down

(01:19:24):
of the North Reward. Twenty seven thousand years ago, a
volcano blew up and left a massive wet hole in
the middle of the North Island. This weekend, the supercars
will be ripping that same general area a new one
and it's going to be freaking' awesome. I'll be down there.
Love the topor love the v eights Topau Supercars. You
have been nominated for New Zealander of the Week. Nominety

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two also gets the Fannish Shmeller Award.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
We're gonna make a rule now again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
I'll be straight down the cour in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
If that was my note?

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Where you from? What do you do for a crust?
What do you do to relax? It's New Zealand's favorite
TV show. Two thirds of us watched it last year.
Now we're doing our own Kiwi version. Well kind of
the Chase. New Zealand is being shot in Australia and
in a shockingly dingy mood. If you think you're smart
enough and you want to be a contestant. You have
to pay for your own ACM and flights to Sydney,
which is rough as you generally win absolutely no money

(01:20:17):
for your efforts. Anyway. It could be great like the
UK one or not so great like the Aussie one,
but either way the chase New Zealand, you cheap bastards.
You are nominated for New Zealander of the Week, all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
There can be only one who Right here we go.
The winner also gets the dish Lickor Award. They're beautiful
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thousand of them are becoming unemployed and need a home.
And get this, many of them won't even kill every
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for these beautiful skinny beasts Greyhounds. Aspets dot org dot
in z. You are the Matt and Tyler Afternoons New
Zealanders of the week who catch yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
A dish like a.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Good dockey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Good dockys. If you've got a greyhound standing by, man,
it's really keen to chat with one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Alex, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:21:21):
I got the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Greyhound I'm going to try and full to one of
your wishes.

Speaker 7 (01:21:25):
Matt.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
First off, twigging tweets.

Speaker 7 (01:21:27):
It's a see the celebrity on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
That's a compliment one talks at Dave Winston.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
They are wonderful Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Well deserved fantastic winner this week. Is it always is?
So well done to the judging panel. I've got to say, yeah, yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Just looks good dogs doggies next.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Very good dockies. Right, let's have a chat about sleep.
So a great article in the Herald about eight ways
to sleep when your thoughts are racing, and sleep has
been a massive thing over the past few years. It
used to be, you know, the old hustle culture and
we envy those who could live on five hours of sleep,
but I reckon that's starting to change. And as we
go through some of these tips on the best way
to get to sleep when your heart is racing or

(01:22:12):
thoughts are racing. But we want to open it up
to you, and the question we want to put to
you is what is the best thing you have done
to improve your own sleep? Mate, you're a massive sleep hero.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Yeah, that's right. I'd decided to become a sleep champion
this year finally sort out my sleeping situation. And I
did it by getting a I got this like a
sleep mask, these beautiful wool sleep marks masks from kind
Faces Curious It made in New Zealand, and they just
sit so nicely on your face. I also put two
little ear plugs in and also run blackout curtains because

(01:22:44):
I believe the best way to sleep is to just
have zero light or audio input. And then now I
just sleep right through. And it has been so good.
It has absolutely changed my life. Whatever you're trying to
do in your life, it is better if you have
more sleep. If you're trying to achieve stuff in life,
if you're trying to achieve stuff in your business, if

(01:23:05):
you're stressed, if you're trying to lose weight, if you're
trying to be healthy in any way, if you're trying
to put on muscle, whatever you're trying to do, if
you're trying to be a better partner, a a better parent,
or anything you want to do is better in life
with sleep. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, If
you have solved your sleeping problems, how did you do it?
We'd love to hear from you, because every week there's

(01:23:27):
two articles in the hero It I'd say on sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
And there's so many different different things that I tried
over the years, and finally what it was was just
these kind face masks. They just they just just sorted
it out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
It sounds laxurious, Does it not feel like a little
bit claustrophobic or no?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
No, No, it's I think the fact that it's pure
New Zealand wool. It feels nice to have it on
your face. Because I've tried those ones that you get
on planes and stuff, those little silky ones. It wasn't
the same. There's a bit of substance to it. And
then I just put two cheap little ear plugs in
my ears. Boom my sleep for seven hours straight, no problems.
You've got full noise on this. So you've got the

(01:24:07):
blackout burdens. Then you've got the blackout sleep mask. There
is no sunlight getting anywhere near your corners. Yeah. And
my partner she gets up to for the gym most
mornings really early, like five o'clock, and that used to
wake me up, but now I'm like, I wake up
and I put my hand out to find that where
she is. I don't even haven't even heard that she's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
You got Italian in the bedroom?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
No, you got to get rid of the Tali.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
There's a big one. You can't eve it. Tally in
the bedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Get rid of Italian in the bedroom.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
You know, also a killer of romance. The Italian the
bedroom sometimes tends what you're watching? Yeah, I wait. One
hundred eighty is the number to call? What was the
best thing you did to improve your sleep? Love to
hear from you. It is thirteen past three, good afternoon.
We are talking about the best ways to get back
to sleep if your thoughts are racing. It's an article

(01:24:54):
in the Hero. But the question we've asked is what
is the best thing you did to improve your own sleep?
One hundred and eighty ten eighties to number to call?
Get a Richard Well on the show? What do you
do to get to sleep and to get back of sleep?

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah? Now, meditation takes every night, never miss Yeah on YouTube?

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Oh Richard, we just lost you. Sorry, start from I
think we got you back. I'll tell you what, Richard,
do you want.

Speaker 13 (01:25:20):
To are you?

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Are you on to speaker phone at the moment We're
going to put you back to Andrew. You just told
there Richard, and we'll come back to you. We'll see
if we can sort out that phone line.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Well, what's your secret for a good night's sleep? All right,
well we're giving major dramas with their phones now, Okay,
here we go, Peeter, come on better, come on, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:25:46):
I got have me tell you Friday to your boys.
I do a couple of routines. I make sure my
body temperature is where I want it to be. If
I'm too hot, I wan for sleep and it's too cold,
so you know, kind of pop and change between a
hot shower and a cold shower. I also listened to

(01:26:11):
stand up comedy before as I'm laying down because it
puts me to sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
So do you have to listen to bad stand up comedians?
Or does good? Does good? A good one puts you
to sleep as well.

Speaker 17 (01:26:26):
I'm kind of listening to in Bag at the moment.
I'm finding his his ideal with you know, crowd work,
but I never get to the end of a set.
I'm gone before then.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
But I haven't heard of it. He's a Canadian guy.

Speaker 17 (01:26:42):
Yeah, well no, he's an Australian Canadian guy. He's very
very funny. I find it funny. But and the other
thing I do is my dear drop curtains are my eyelids.
Sleep with my curtains open, and I have zero problems
with light. Really true?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
So what do you think you think you've got? You've
got thicker eye eyelids than most.

Speaker 17 (01:27:08):
Close your eyes right now, Matt, what do you see see?

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
There's still some light?

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
I'm getting some light through.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, I think I think you've got.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
You're almost like an xman or something, Petter.

Speaker 17 (01:27:20):
Have you that must be that extra cot of that
one eyebrows just kind of dropped the lower.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Yeah, well you go, Petter.

Speaker 17 (01:27:31):
I just say, since well before daylight, I said, I
haven't closed my curtains at all. Right, even I just
sleep when the curtains open. I have zero problems giving
a good eight hours.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Any do you have any peeping time problems?

Speaker 17 (01:27:48):
They want to see planetaryum eclipses, then they can look
in the window.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Who they want a bit of all natral when you
sleep as well, Petter.

Speaker 17 (01:28:01):
It's all about body temperature.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
That's my Yeah, before that you want that you want
to lower your body temperature to go to sleep? Is
that right? I think I think it's like the room
temperature that's idealis eighteen degrees. But if you lower your
body tensure by a cold shower or even increase your
body temperature, I think a body temperature changed really helps.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Don't They say that if you have a hot shower
just before you go to bed, that's bad for you.
But if you have a hot shower an hour before
and then naturally let your body cool down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Yeah, it's the cooling down. Yeah, that that does it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Thank you. If you call Peter and congratulations on your big, thick,
livery eyelids.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Yeah, eight one hundred eighty ten. I don't know what
to say to that. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. I'd love to hear.
What was the best thing you did to improve your sleep?
It is nineteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Three, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Twenty one past three. What was the best thing you
did to improve your sleep? Nice ticks here for Michelle
Michelle Giddy. Guys, I'm super lucky. My man rubs my
feet at night. Love him sends me to sleep every time.
And I sleep all night.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Wow, good sex life gives a good night sleep. That's
from Ben. Ye, good on your Ben.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Nice work, Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Someone's a lucky You're lucky lucky lady.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Guys. Magnesium works. Just watch the dosage from Christian Uh Richard,
I think we've got your back now. Yeah. Perfect, and
you're pulled over for us.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Yeah I did. Yeah, No, it's pretty simple. Of the years.
I jump on YouTube and this hundreds maybe thousands of
self hypnosis meditation tapes. You can pick what you want
and you just that's it. You're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
And when you say meditation tapes, this is like cassette tapes.
So you listen on your phone.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
On your phone. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
When Richard said tapes, you know, that took me back
to the old days. I thought you might just have
had a library of cassette tapes ready to go, Richard.
But carry on, No, I haven't got you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Nowadays, you can go on to that. I just I've
just you can go on to YouTube and then there's
hundreds of them and you can pick, you know, all
sorts of different subjects, but basically someone talking to you
nicely taking it down to your own.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah. So these are these the Are these the story
ones Richard, or are they specific sleep meditations?

Speaker 16 (01:30:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of sleep a lot of them.

Speaker 23 (01:30:40):
There's hundreds of them, like what you know to get
you to sleep, and there's healing and there's all sorts
of stuff you know, mas visualization, but whatever it is,
it's just keets it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
Down to that zone where you just gone. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
I'm just I'm just trying to think because there were
some celebrity voices that I just can't recall. I've tried
to google, but I've seen those pop up, those stories
and quite well known names that would you know, as
you say, take you through a meadow or hang out
down at the beach.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
Yeah, Michael Steele is a couple of Arsie ones that are.
But there's hundreds of them on there and they are
different ones.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Are you good on you, Richard?

Speaker 21 (01:31:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Sorry, no you continue?

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Yeah, So that's I mean to me, I just well
that's what I do every night for years.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Well, brilliant, good on you, Richard. Yoga and nidra is
there's some yoga Nira sleep meditations out there which just
sort of makes you, you know, think about every part
of your body. But for some reason, it doesn't work
for me those kind of things. What's the needrapart is well,
that's just that's just the word for it. Oh the
style of yoga, yeah, yoga, Nira Yeah, yeah. That their

(01:31:53):
body temperature things really interesting. I'll actually share some information
on that. I've locked it up. Dropping your body temperature
to sleep, it's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Sally says. Guys love the show. I moved into my
home beards laugh out loud. It was the best decision
I've made to get the best night's sleep. That is,
I can understand that. But that's a risky move relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
I've been running into more and more people recently who
are abandoning the marital bed, not to jump into someone
else's marital bed or good terrifying, but just so they
sleep better snorers and and I listerally have talked to
three people, three couples in recently. Just one of those
things where you stay getting a topic and it comes

(01:32:37):
up a lot, and they all swear by it, and
they say amorous activities continuing at the same rate, even
more because they're not disgusted by each other and angry
all the time. The ones that are most happier when
they are like the people moving into single beds and rooms.
This is old school that's happening, and it sounds suppressing,

(01:32:57):
But the people that do it swear by it. You know,
you just invite your partner over to your single bed
when the time's right. But the ones that have moved
into different rooms permanently, they are and the happiest.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
That's the way to go. So separate rooms and you
can still have your queen or your king.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Because if you're trying to run your own sleep pattern
yourself and there's someone else trying to run what they're
doing with their sleep and they're having a bad sleep,
you're having a good sleep. If you really want to
sleep really, really well, yeah, then sometimes being in the
bed with another human being isn't the best way to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Well, let's open that up. I Waite hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you sleep in different beds to your partner, your husband,
your wife, love to hear from you. Is it working,
do you swear by it? And has it had any
unforeseen changes to the relationship. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call Headlines with Raylene coming up.
It's twenty six past.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
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(01:34:16):
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one hundred thousand tests won't be done between Easter Monday
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(01:34:37):
the wrong person and a baby was born as a result.
A community mental health and addictions facility has opened in
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across four locations. The government's invested nineteen and a half
million dollars into the project. Do you often find it
hard to wake up in the morning? These tips may help.

(01:35:00):
You can read more at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back
to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Thank you very much, Raylean, and we are talking about
the best the you did to improve your sleep and
something that popped up. It was a text that came through,
and more and more texts are coming through on this.
Sleeping in separate beds so sometimes called a sleep divorce
and is becoming increasingly common among couples seeking to improve
sleep quality and overall well being, addressing issues like as

(01:35:25):
you said, snoring, different sleep schedules, or simply a preference
for a personal space. So, according to research done into
what has been called sleep divorce, while it might seem counterintuitive,
sleeping separately can sometimes lead to stronger relationships by reducing
stress and improving overall well being, as well as allowing

(01:35:46):
for more time for individual activities and reflections.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yes, so many people are testing through that have moved
into other rooms and moved into other beds. I think
I would feel like the going into the shop and
buying the two single beds for the same room would
be too humiligating your Burt and earning it's up, Burt.
I can't sleep, Burt you know that kind of situation.
I don't think you want to be involved in a
Bert Nerney situation and a.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Couple and then that all eving to push them together.
If you want to have some you know, a bit
a sixy time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Yeah, you don't need to do it on the bed,
but different rooms. For some reason, that seems cooler for me.
If you if your kids move out and you suddenly
got a whole lot of spear rooms in the house,
then one takes one room, one takes the other room.
Maybe you could have three rooms. You could have the
two sleeping rooms and the Amoris room.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I like this out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
So we are you sleeping to I might just stop
off in the the Amoris room before I go into
my room. I'll meet you in there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Honesty call, because I'm sure that you've slept in a
separate bed, separate room from time to time with you
with your partner on a sty call. Did you get
a better night's sleep when you were sleeping in a different bed.

Speaker 7 (01:36:55):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Do you know what I get offended by is when
I'm going away, I have to go away for work
a bit and my partner.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Goes, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
The first thing she says is Oh God, I'll get
such a good sleep and I mean to go. So
your first thought is that you get a good sleep,
not how much you'll miss me. You know that hurts.
That hurts. I was talking before about body temperature. Body
temperature natally drops before sleep, typically reaching its lowest point
a few hours before waking. This temper drop is linked
to the circadian rhythms. Blah blah blah. A cool sleeping

(01:37:22):
environment is the best thing. Eighteen point three degrees or
breathable bedding is what you want. So eighteenth point three
degrees is apparently the perfect sleeping temperature.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Eighteen point three Yeah, that is good. Well, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (01:37:37):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:37:38):
How are you fellers?

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Very good? Your thoughts on a good night's sleep.

Speaker 17 (01:37:43):
You've just got to exert yourself as much as you
can during the day. Don't touch any screen an hour
before bed, and then you should be logging it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Yeah, logging. Yeah, that thing of expending a lot of
energy in the day is very important for sleep, isn't it.
And a lot of us may be working sedentary jobs,
you know, to a certain extent, like me and Tyler
just sitting here on seats talking into Mike phones. You're
not expending a lot of physical you know not. You're
not becoming physically exhausted. You might become mentally exhausted. What

(01:38:14):
do you do for a living? Will, I'm an oyster
farmer farm?

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Yeah, that's pretty physical, I think. Yeah, I don't know
much about oyster farming to be honest.

Speaker 22 (01:38:24):
Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 17 (01:38:25):
We we we get our hours and we we we
work hard and we try to tell our phones before beer.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
And so when you say oyster farming, this is oyster farming.
Like I said, this is an artificial farm.

Speaker 17 (01:38:41):
Anto, No, no, no, this is the natural wild card?

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Are good on you?

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
What part of the country Cleveland, South Aukland?

Speaker 17 (01:38:54):
Love?

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
And do you shut them? Do you shut them on board?
Or how does that work?

Speaker 7 (01:38:59):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:38:59):
They come into the factory and they get they get
shocked and opened there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Oh yeah, I've been down to the shocking competitions and
bluff before. There are some impressive shuckers out there. But
you're not. You're not a shacker. Will You're a no?

Speaker 17 (01:39:11):
No, no, no, I'm not.

Speaker 18 (01:39:12):
I'm not.

Speaker 17 (01:39:12):
I'm not a shocker.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Yeah, not a shocker, but you are a sleeper. I
try to be Yeah, that's absolutely a huge good point.
It's it's you know, like if you if you're being
really lazy in the holidays and stuff, very hard to
sleep when you've done nothing all day exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
But you're probably having some day naps as well because
it's the holiday and you can.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
But I bet there's a lot of people out there
that work really hard physical jobs that don't even know
what I don't even know what people are talking about
when it cost something.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Yeah, I have no issues, Michael. How are you? Are
you very good? And what was the one thing you
did to him previously?

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
I listened to Marcus Marcus lash I do, and it's
no disrespect of Marx.

Speaker 24 (01:39:58):
But I have talked going on and you're not off,
no trouble at all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Do you do you have a timer for it to
turn off? Or do you leave Marcus going for a
long time and then sometimes you wake up to something else?

Speaker 24 (01:40:11):
I just yeah, yeah, pretty much, that's what happens. Yeah,
I've just got a knee a piece since it doesn't
disturb my better half, and I have trinatus as well.
So you've got that constant ringing in your ears, it's
a niceta have something that's distracting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so Marcus does it for you. Yeah.
Sometimes Marcus can leave, he can leave gaps. He can
go to be talking about.

Speaker 25 (01:40:33):
Like butter conditioners, but of conditioners, and there can be
a little bit of gap that doesn't wake you up
when he when he goes quiet for a bit and
then comes back, Hey, you.

Speaker 24 (01:40:45):
Can have an hour talking about plastic straws.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Keeps your hog. Sometimes he just does the old just
the pin tet just you know, so we all know
he's still there, just having a thing exactly terrific Michael, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Great, an he wins. It was an award every year
at the Radio Awards, and he's nominated again.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
I see, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
I listened to Marcus as well. He says, Marcus gets
me to sleep. Ten minutes of Marcus last puts me
to sleep every night. There you go, listen to Marcus
to get to sleep. Boy, oh boy, Marcus is doing
a good service out there. But people aren't. People love Marcus. Yeah,
it's not that he's he's boring, No, it's just that
he's soothing and he has topics that take people through.
That's a real service Marcus has done.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
There you go, Marcus oh, eight one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the is the number to call and we've
got Chris on the line here, get a Chris Hello,
great to chat with you. So we were talking about
what they call and it's a bit of an awful
name for its sleep divorce, but more and more couples

(01:41:48):
are doing that. Is that something that you and your
husband have recently done.

Speaker 26 (01:41:53):
Absolutely, we've done it now for about twenty years. That's
been the best thing for our relationship. Can't wait to
see him in the morning. Before it was like that
movie Psychoach, you know, like you're a knife going.

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
So so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
So you guys got two separate rooms, are they Are
they close to each other in the house?

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:42:14):
Yeah, they joined with a non suite in the middle. Okay,
we often we often meet each other in the middle
of the night and when we you know, go for
a peece.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
So you're in sync in that, we have a little.

Speaker 26 (01:42:26):
Bit of a cuddle. Then before we go to bed,
and when we wake up in the morning. As my
text said, because I text him that I you know,
I text him if I'm awake or he texted me,
and then we just get back and together to get
we just don't snaw together.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
And so was this how did this plan come about?
Did you guys talk about it? Did one of you
raise it as an idea? Because it sounds like you've
got to sort it out. So you've got a bed,
So he did some building to make it work.

Speaker 26 (01:42:52):
Yeah, well we did, but we did. We were farming
and I had to work at shift work, so I
was getting up at say, three o'clock in the morning.
Tony was snoring all so, and of course he had
a wee bit of our ill health was Crone's disease,
so you know, he was up night roaming around and
I was trying to, you know, work, and and of

(01:43:13):
course he was getting up to do irrigation in the
the middle of the night, farming, and we just felt
that it was not doing us our health any good
in fact, you know, either of us. So that's what
we did. We parted company, and it's the best thing
we ever did.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Chris, do you get if you got if you get
lonely in the middle of the night, because you know,
sleeping with someone, it's part of it is that you
the companionship of it. So yeah, Chris, could.

Speaker 26 (01:43:37):
You really I really missed it? And I really mourned it.
But because of the snoring, it was just you know, everything,
it was just none of it. And I'd wake him
like it's a form of torture in the war, they
still sleep. And he would wake me up to fifty
times a night, and you know, and I'd be waking
him and he'd be then you know, then he was

(01:43:58):
not feeling very well because he knew I was being awoke,
you know, waking up, waking up. Yeah, So it really
weeks for us. And I adore my husband. And we've
been married for fifty years next year.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Wow, congratulations and do you and so so just the
general getting on with each other and the relationship across
the board got better when you had rooms.

Speaker 26 (01:44:18):
It got so good. Absolutely, it's just been the best
thing we've ever done.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Who absolutely, who got the best bed crest or did
you get identical?

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
Beat?

Speaker 26 (01:44:26):
We both got very good.

Speaker 7 (01:44:29):
And I must say.

Speaker 26 (01:44:31):
It's really hard when we travel, and it's really expensive
because we have to get an airbnb and we have
to get two bedrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Wow, you take it on the road.

Speaker 26 (01:44:41):
We have to because literally we cannot sleep in the
same room. I mean, her mother was such dreadful Snora.
I'd hear her when I stayed there. I to hear
her three rooms away. And her husband doesn't sleep with her,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
So it's a family.

Speaker 26 (01:44:57):
Thing, genetic thing as well for Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Yeah, and so, and you don't snore at all, Chris,
I wouldn't know, yeah, because I've had I have this
argument because I accused of snoring, and I say, I
never hear it, So what's the proof? And then the
proof was given to me by a phone recording.

Speaker 26 (01:45:16):
That's what I did a few times. Actually, I hope
to say.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Chris, you're great, just as I'm looking into it more.
It's giving a lot of celebrity endorsements. Cameron Diaz, where's
by it? George Clooney, They're all in separate beds.

Speaker 26 (01:45:28):
There you go. No, honestly, I honestly think it's the
best thing ever. But you do mourn that, you know,
that closeness and you know, just rolling over and having
a cattle. I really do miss that, Yeah, I have. Yeah,
I love your show, by the way. I love the
lighthearted nature and I'm painting at the moment, and you know,
like a painting artist painting, and it just keeps me

(01:45:52):
so entertained and I loved all. I love all the laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Thank you so much for your call, Chris. I appreciate it.
We'd like to hear that, Matt and Tyler. Where can
I buy those wall masks that you were talking about?
That's from Anna. It's a kind face dot co dot
and z the will wise will sleep mask that I
use and it's it's so good. There's something about it
being wool that just sits nicely on your face and there.
They're a bit thicker than the ones that you get,

(01:46:17):
you know, on a plane or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
And we love New Zealand wool, yes we do. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you are sleeping in
separate beds, they're calling it sleep divorce, but clearly we're
getting so many texts on it, but love to hear
from you. Was it a game changer when you move
to separate beds and separate bed room?

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
This is the evolution of humanity because when they dig
up caves, whole families used to sleep in bed together.
The idea that you have a separate bed was totally
and there weren't rooms until very recently in human history.
And now we're slowly moving further away from each other.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's eighteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk. They'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
Is a quarter to four. We're talking about sleeping, sleeping
in separate beds. We started off on the best thing
you've done to improve your sleep, and probably ninety percent
of people say it's sleeping in different heads from their partner, husband, wife.
Is the way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
This Texas says, this subject is putting me to sleep.
That's from Caine. Well you're welcome, Kane. Yeah, there you go, sleep,
not night.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
One thing I will I remember about getting back to sleep.
And I've actually bought this up before in the show
A thing that changed my life. Because you know, if
you need to get up in the middle of the
night and never a wee or whatever you have to do,
or there's something that you need to do, the dog
needs something done, or whatever. One of the reasons why
you struggle to get back to sleep is because your
heart rate goes up massively when you get up. Just
walking over to the bathroom makes your heart go and

(01:47:48):
your heart actually has to be slow for you to sleep.
And so that's why you lie in being and go
Why am I suddenly so awake? It's because you've gone
from sleep mode to wake mode to do the thing
that you needed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
So there's this fantastic breathing technique that I do now,
which is called the four seven eight technique. So you're breathing,
so you go to the bathroom if you need to
or what do you need to do. Try not to
turn on too many lights. Try and walk slowly towards
the bathroom. Don't get up in a mass hurry, slide
out of bed, slowly walk there, go in the dark.
Whatever you need to do, do it slowly, not too

(01:48:20):
much light. Get back into bed, and then you do
the four seven eight technique, which is breathing in for
four seconds, holding the breath for seven seconds, and exhaling
for eight seconds. And this has been proven to slow
your heart rate and so you can go back to sleep.
It's also sort of a form of meditation, as you
concentrate on four seconds in, hold for seven seconds and

(01:48:42):
eight seconds out. But you know you don't have to
worry about it seconds exactly, just to just account so
you know, one, two, three fourths so four seven eight
remember that? Boy, oh boy, does that work. It's a
complete and utter game changer.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Genuine question. If you have to get up in the
middle of the night to go to the toilet, do
you keep your mask on? Yep, you've worked that out
now that you're able to feel your way to the
bathroom keeping your mask on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
I think I've been going to the bathroom. I don't
know for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Yeah, is that while your partners say, what are these
wet spots on the carpet mat? A dog is being
up to?

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
No good jet, welcome to the show.

Speaker 27 (01:49:15):
Hey, how's it going? Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Very good? So you are converted on different beards as well, Bridget.

Speaker 27 (01:49:22):
Yeah, absolutely for about three years now. And I mean
I'm thirty What am I thirty four? So it's not like, yeah,
we haven't been married all our lives. But yeah, it
just works for us.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
So you're totally different bedrooms Bridget.

Speaker 27 (01:49:37):
Yes, yeah, so for us it started out that, Yeah,
when my son was born, he was obviously sleeping in
the room, waking up in the middle of the night,
as they do. So my husband just thought oh, you know,
to get for him to get better sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Yeah, so you just thought, you know, I'll solve this
problem by leaving to another room.

Speaker 26 (01:49:56):
Yeah, absolutely, rich is what he said.

Speaker 27 (01:49:59):
And yeah, my son turns three at the end of
this month and we're still in separate rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
See, And how's the rest of your relationship? As it's
good yet you're still I was going to use the
word intimate, but it wasn't really it wasn't really the word.
I mean, are you still affectionate towards each other?

Speaker 27 (01:50:18):
Yees yep, yep, No, it's been it's been absolutely fine.
And as I say, like he snores, we sort of
had the same sort of issues as other callers. Now
when we go away, you know, sort of jumping back
into bed together. I sort of, oh, yeah, that's why we.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
And what about the intimacy? How does that all work?
Do you have to plan when you're going to be
in the same room.

Speaker 27 (01:50:41):
Well, I mean there's you know, a three year old
in the house, so that's a real picker as well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Yep, ye, damping down a little bit.

Speaker 27 (01:50:51):
Yeah, but no, it works, you know, it's it's usually Yeah,
just if we sort of find our way, And did.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
You get to pick your own bed, Bridget. Once you
made that call, then do you go down to the
bed shop and pick something out for you or the
other way around. Your husband got the good.

Speaker 27 (01:51:04):
Bed, well no, so we just moved house before my son.
So the master bedroom got the brand new king bed,
so naturally I got to keep that. And I mean
he's doing it right, he's got a queen in the
other room. Yes, when we actually talked about if we
were going to have another kid, we sort of went, ah,
that we need another room in the house. We haven't

(01:51:26):
got enough room now because we're all in separate bedrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Reggie, thank you so much for your call for so
that's that's interesting. Yeah, I mean I think it would be.
It would be working for so many people are texting,
But I think it could be a controversial subject. I
can imagine if you said to someone your partner, Hey,
I'm setting up a whole new bedroom in another part

(01:51:51):
of the house. I guess the cool thing is you
could have your awesome stuff in your bedroom. Yeah, as
opposed to their girly punishing stuff exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
It can be like your little extra man cave as well.
Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number.
Call Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Sorry, Yeah, to click through a bunt of Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
That's me, that's you, that's you, Bill, And you've got
a bit of a machine that there has been a
game changer.

Speaker 7 (01:52:19):
Yes, I've got sleep at Mere probably for the last
twenty years, and I was only sleeping about thirty seven
percent of the time. So you know, the health department
put me onto the sleep seatpet. So it took me

(01:52:40):
probably about five years to get used to it. And
now I put it on and it's very peaceful. The
breathing that helps you to breathe. So I if I
don't have it on, sometimes I don't put it on
and I wake up with a bit of a start,
obviously caused by not breathing properly. And anyway, I'm told

(01:53:08):
that I also snore, but I don't really know that.
I don't believe it. But I've got a number of
family members that also need to use the sea pet,
but they haven't got used to it. You know, it's
a mental thing. I think you have to sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
You'd have to sleep on your on your back, would you?
You can.

Speaker 7 (01:53:33):
Either side? Yeah, the the hose is long enough and
if I have adjusted correctly, have the straps adjusted correctly,
then it's very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Is that these full maskers at bell or is that
the two two hoses up the nose?

Speaker 7 (01:53:50):
No full maskull mask.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
The sea Pep is a continuous positive ear way pressure
that sort of stands for the type of therapy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
I'm surprised by how many people rock the sea pep
as soon as you mentioned in Seapep Andrew producer, he's
got a seapet machine. My older bro's got a seapet machine. Yes,
so many people have them and they are absolute game changers.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
Yeah yeah, get them, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Yeah, if you can get them, that's right, Bill. Thank
you very much mate. Great to chat with you. All right,
we've got to play some messages, but back for you shortly.
It is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used
TALKSBB News TALKSBB It is.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Five to four. Couple of texts to wrap this one up, guys,
I've worn a seapep mask for ten years. I'm a
shocking storer. With the mask on and the fresh air
being pumped in it is absolute magic. No movement no
separate room. Absolute game changer.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Yeah, look at that. So we've learned a lot today
after three hours of talkback, I now know that men
enjoy being objectified. Yeah, school boards are hotbeds of affairs.
And if you want to have a happy marriage, pack
up your pillow and move to another bedroom. We'll be
back Monday afternoon for another edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons.
The full pod will be out about half four. But

(01:55:14):
have a great weekend, and whatever you're doing wherever you are,
give them a taste of Kiwi. Now the topical tune
of the day to take us out. Dr John Mayhew,
the All Black Team medic for almost two decos, died
this week. It's sixty nine, a much loved and respected
man who will be missed by so many. So today's
topical tune is this Doctor, Doctor by The Thompson Twins.

Speaker 13 (01:55:54):
Time to be.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
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