Full Show Podcast: 12 February 2025

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Speaker 4 (01:08):
Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Seven past one. Bit
of a late nineteen year Madie.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm very, very very tired today because so I was
on this TV show a couple of years ago called
Taskmaster Age Show. I was in season two and season
two globally is considered one of the best series of
task Master ever.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Made in the UK anywhere in the world.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
Is that all right?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, for some reason, not because of me, just because
the combination of people and the tasks and the producers
and fantastic New Zealand production company that makes it, Kevin
and Co. So it's blown up in the UK. So
last night I did I recorded a podcast with Ed Gamble,
who's a.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Very funny comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, he was on Taskmaster over there and he's making
the official this task Master podcast that's doing very well
over there. But because I had to talk to him
on UK time, the podcast started at eleven PM and
we got a well talking and so it was you know,
it was one thirty one thirty am before I got off,
you know, I went to be it and then I
was too excited about the chat and I couldn't sleep

(02:04):
because it was exciting.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
What did you talk about for two hours? Was it
just about task Mask but about Greg Davies.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, a little bit, a lot about Greg Davies, a
lot about me humiliating myself throughout that series by being
a bit of an idiot, a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
It was great chat, but I listen the task Master podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, whenever that comes out.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
But luck I'll do my best. I'll soldier on.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
But if I fall asleep or press the wrong buttons,
then that's because I've been moonlighting on another job, you.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Know, to blame right quickly on to the rest of
the show. After three point thirty looking forward to this
Gareth abdenaor employment lawyer friend of the show. He's back
with us and he is taking your questions. If you've
got an issue in your workplace or you're a employer
and you've got an issue with your employees, that is
your opportunity to get some sound advice.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I already got a couple coming through here, and it's
pretty interesting. There's such a gray area around in things
an employment law around, especially around drinking and celebrating with
your boss and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yep, oh, there's some doozy quicks already.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Send those questions through to nine to nine two and
will Well will present them to Gareth after three thirty.
But we'll also take your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty at that time.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
After three o'clock, a kmart customer wants answers after she
managed to stab herself in the leg with a mop
when the handle fell off, and we all know Kmart
it says, yeah, put aside, how the hicts you did that?
That is seriously aggressive mopping.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's good slapstick. Any kind of mop or rake related
injuries good slapstick. But you've got the heartless attitude that
if you spy a cheap mop, you get what you deserve.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
I reckon you do with these Enco products, which is
the kmart products, that you take a gamble right, you
know it's cheap and dirty and the price is right
and if it pays off, well done. If it doesn't
and it breaks, then you knew the deal.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
After two pm, we want to talk about public versus
private schools. The classic chat Christ's College is one hundred
and seventy five years old, operating out of christ Church.
Everyone that goes there talks like this. A cost between
thirty four one hundred eighty dollars for a day boy
in fifty six four hundred and forty if you're boarding.
That's the highest the most expensive private school in the country.

(04:16):
But what's better private or public schools?

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, that's going to be a good discussion, so public Yeah,
I do too. That's after two o'clock because right now,
let's talk about scams. On the back of this wake
up to a couple narrowly avoiding a two hundred and
seventy thousand dollars scam after the lawyer's email was hacked,
so their compromised email from Truman We and associates requested

(04:41):
payments to a fraudulent account, but a bank teller's suspicion
prevented the transfer. Police confirm the same account successfully scammed
two other victims out of at least.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Two hundred and fifty thousand bucks.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So e one hundred and eighty ten eighty have you
nearly been scammed? Nearly been scammed? If it's happened to
you and you just spotted it at the last minute,
you know, if you have been scammed, you want to
hear about as well, have been nearly been scammed, because
the more we talk about it, the more people can
spot a scam that's coming through. I've had a situation
before where I've just at the last minute noticed that

(05:12):
what looked like a very very real invoice from a
company that I'd done work with YEP, was actually from
quite a bizarre GMAIL address.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's lucky, that is very lucky.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So I just spotted that the invoice, looked at it
and I was like, hanging on min it, That's not
what's going on. So when you look at that, how
do they know? How do they know the client base,
how do they know who they're emailing? How do they
make such a realistic looking invoice? And if you're just
someone that's paying the bills, you could just go.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Through and pay that.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, but I spotted it, So yeah, have you nearly
been scammed?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
They're incredibly sophisticated some of these scams. Now, I mean
the one that you got that is something that you're
expecting to pay an invoice, right, So you almost got
caught by that. But this one with this whitecatto couple
the fact that they hacked their lawyer's email and then
you get an email from your actual lawyers say hey,
here's the invoice that you need to pay, or here

(06:02):
is a deal of a lifetime that we I think
you should take advantage of. If you think it's coming
from your lawyer and you can see it's actually your
lawyer's email, that's incredibly sophisticated.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I'm one hundred percent suspicious one hundred percent of the time.
I think you can't have to be any phone call
asking you for any details.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, there was, there was, there was.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I saw this this interview with the guy that's famous
for catch me if I can the scammer from that
that the movie is about, and he said, there's there's
two there's two things you need to look for in
any scam. Yeah, two things to look for, and I'll
share that in a bit.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Okay, very good, But love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two if you've almost foul victim to
the scam, what was it? And if you have family
members that were in that situation as well, love to
hear from you. It is twelve past one.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
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Speaker 1 (06:59):
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Speaker 6 (07:08):
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Speaker 4 (07:12):
It is quarter past one and we are talking about scams.
On the back of a white Catto couple that narrowly
avoided losing two hundred and seventy thousand dollars after scammers
or hackers managed to get into their lawyer's email, which
was incredibly close. They were in the process of buying
a house and these hackers managed to get into their
lawyer's email or shouldn't laugh, I mean it is incredibly

(07:34):
sophisticated and sent them an email basically saying that you've
got to now pay two hundred and seventy thousand dollars
to complete the sale of this property. And luckily the
bank teller spotted some inconsistencies and stopped that transfer.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's a tough one. So if
you're getting an email from your lawyer, your lawyer is
the person that you trust in all this kind of stuff,
so if it's coming from on everything, so that's the
person that's your conduit to dealing with in business, and
you get an email from them.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Can you spot it?

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Though?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
And I say this without any judgment, Well, in fact,
it happened in our household. So may've got one of
those texts saying that you've got a delivery that we
didn't manage to get. Yeah, but this was about four
or five years ago that was just starting to do
the rounds right, and to Mave's benefit, she was expecting
a delivery. So she clicked on this text, took it

(08:31):
to a website. Then it asked for credit card information,
and she thought she was being real crafty that she
used a credit card of mine that I had canceled
in to get into the website and to see if
it was legit or not. But what she didn't know
even though I'd canceled the credit card, they could still
access it. It was in the process of being canceled,
so they managed to rack up about two hundred bucks

(08:53):
on that credit card.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
So she was suspicious and she used your card, yeah,
to test it out.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Does she talk to you about it first?

Speaker 7 (08:59):
No?

Speaker 4 (08:59):
I was a living it's absolutely living. May that can
still use that credit card. Luckily, when I went straight
to the band and said, hey, this has happened, they
canceled that straight away, so that was they didn't manage
to get any money. But it can happen to anybody.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, So I was saying before, what the two things
that you need to look out for? Frank Abigail Junior.
You might have seen the catch me if you can
movie Leonardo Dicapro, directed by Steven Spielberg, about that scammer,
and he said, and he's been working for the FBI.
I think I'm interested this on the show before it
found it really interesting. He goes. The demand for information
that more information than you expect and the urgent need

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for payment are the two things that all scams have
involved in them.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
But it is I mean again, I see a lot
of these scams come via email, and I think I'm
a pretty savvy guy. And as you say, you check
the email. Is the email looking a little bit suspicious?
Is that really from the NZTA or from your bank?
But a lot of them I second guess myself and
think this seems legit, and maybe I do owe money

(10:04):
to this particular organization. And I have at time rung
up the eight hundred number and say, hey, I've got
this email. Do I actually owe your money? And they say, no,
you're idiot. It's a scam.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, that's that's the thing. So if it's you contact
directly the people, you don't go through the link. Yeah,
you know all the number that's that's provided there. Stewart,
you're in business and you nearly got scammed.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:27):
Look, we're in a civil engineering consultancy and one of
the contractor was doing work on our site. They were
due a progress payment of about ninety ninety thousand dollars
and the day that the payment was due, we got
sent an email which looked identical to their email. So
somebody had gotten into their system, packed their invoicing system,

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gotten their email signatures and everything, created a new email
address which had one letter different in the middle, so
we had to notice unless you were looking for it,
and then issued us a corrected invoice with new bank
account details on it. And the project manager on my
team who picked it up bank accounts in Australia, fortunately,

(11:14):
and so we picked it up. But we were very
close to transferring ninety thousand dollars to an Australian account
if nobody had bothered to actually check.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Ninety dollars detail.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And you have to be so diligent because the once over,
the look of the email address would look exactly like
the email dress did you say, there's one one figure
change and then the voice.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
The invoice was identical apart from the fact that it
had a different, different bank account details on it, and
it appeared to come from their accounts team saying these
are our new bank account details for payment. It was
pretty sophisticated.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
And where what was the bank account details? What did
they look like? Because I mean they were.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
They were Australia, they were Australian. That was how we
picked it up.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah right, I see, yeah wow.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
So well, but now because of that, every time we're
receiving an invoice for anything, we caught sure double check
the invoice and basically go through all This particially happened
in Genuary, so it was a December payment.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Genuary, and so how close do you think you were
to paying it?

Speaker 8 (12:16):
Well, had the wrong person been looking at it as
it happen that project manager is Australian, had the wrong
person been looking at it, probably wouldn't have picked up
with the account was incorrect and would have processed at
the payment, and then we never would have got the
money back.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, So that's something to look out to look out for.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
If someone approaches your company and says we've got a
change of bank account details, then that's probably the best
way to deal with that would be to go directly
back to their accounts people and the channels that you
already know and ask.

Speaker 8 (12:48):
Them, well, yeah, we're literally verifying every single one deal,
so irrespective of whether or not it's coming from the
same place or anything, we're just not a risk that
we can carry where the intermediary you know. Yeah, yeah,
we're not necessarily at a client.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well ninety grand.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
There's not a lot of people that can get ninety grand.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
And I don't know if there's an answer to the question,
but would the liability sit with one of the parties?
Would it sit with yourself if you did fall victim
to that scam, who would be liable for picking up
that bill?

Speaker 9 (13:20):
Yeah, so I haven't actually checked with our lawyers.

Speaker 8 (13:22):
I've been mating too, but I presume that the liability
sits with us because the money was setting with us
and trust to pay if we had released it. Then
I presume the liability sits with us because it's not
the contractor that's generated the false invoice, it's whoever's hacked
their system.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, well it it would have been your mistake. You
would have fallen off for it as good as the
scam as you did, you would have been successfully scammed.
So look, I'm glad that worked out okay for you?
That's a good one for people to keep their eyes
out for.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Think if you call.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Stuart great story, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and number to call, love to hear your story is
about almost getting scammed, or indeed, if you did get scammed,
love to hear from you. It is certainly a lot
more common than it has been even five years ago.
Who's the text number? Will get more of your cause
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Speaker 3 (14:57):
Good afternoon, we're talking about scam.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, after Waikato couple nearly avoided, narrowly avoided losing two
hundred and seventy thousand after their lawyer's email was hacked
by a UK scammers. The stick this says, Hello, isn't
technology wonderful? A It's only going to get worse when
gullible fool's hand everything over to AI. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, AI is going to get a lot better of scamming.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
And there's concerns about AI being able to break passwords
in a way that humans cannot.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
So we've got no hope, is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
This text says, Okay, guys, I got scammed about twelve
years ago trying to import some cooking oil from a
supplier off an Alley Barber website. Scammers took a five
K deposit off me, but I realized once I got
the shipping documents it was a scam. I'm from a
shipping background. I managed to get the guys mobile number,
which was in Nigeria. We spent months ringing him, even
when we were drinking fun times, but never saw the

(15:50):
money again, sweet revenge.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
John.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
You've experienced attempted scammers in the past.

Speaker 11 (15:57):
Yeah, yeah, this one's pretty dumb. So it's kind of funny.
We've had a couple of phone calls. We have a
confidential number, so we already ever give them and that goes.
So this hire for us Spark and we really want
to talk to you about your landline. And it's really
good because we're not with Spark, so that one's pretty easy.

Speaker 12 (16:15):
To take care of and we just play along with it.

Speaker 11 (16:17):
So that's the whole level. But this one is pretty nasty.
So what they did was somehow they knew that this
person was waiting for a phone call from the bank.
So you've got to guess these are very clever people.
And you've got to also wonder is it now organized crime?
And I'd say yes it is. So what they did

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was they ring them, and they ring this person and
they had a little chit chat and said, hey, look
we're the bank, and everything checked out because they were
expecting a call from the bank. And even while they
were on this call the real bank where I tried
to wring them, but this person said, don't pick up
where are the real bank? And then I stick with us.
They knew all their details, did everything to the point

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that this person did give over the phone permission for
what they wanted to do to do, and they transferred
the money out of their bank account. And we're talking
lots of money here, and they moved it out and
they moved it to an A and ZI bank account.
Now this is where the good part of the story happens.
They freaked out, going, oh, how what did I just
do because of how good they were, And what the

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bank said is, look, it could be too late, but
what we're going to do is we're going to it's
gone to an am Z bank account. If we can
get hold of A and Z real fast, we can
stop that money from leaving their bank account. The poor
person sweated on this for let's say a week, and
they were more than worried because everything was gone. Fortunately
am Z was able to put a hold on that

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money and it never went any hurt anywhere and it
was returned slucky. This is how good they are.

Speaker 12 (17:51):
Real good.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
So John, do you think that they knew that the
call was coming through, or that it was just an
incredible coincidence and they're scamming so many people in now.

Speaker 11 (18:00):
In the beginning, I reckon they knew because one of
the things they said to this person was they go, oh,
but the bank's calling me, Nona, don't pick that up.
We are the bank, We.

Speaker 12 (18:10):
Are the real deal.

Speaker 11 (18:10):
And they gave that even more information that only they
could know if they had had their accounts. They knew
all this stuff, and that's why they were so plausible,
because it really looked like you were talking to a
real person from the bank. They had a perfect kiwi
accent the whole They were good, real good.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
You're very lucky that was it a bank teller or
a senior manager who managed to stop that in time.

Speaker 11 (18:34):
Odd the people were more than relief day, I mean
really really really relieved, like oh yeah, because the turmoil
they went through when they didn't know.

Speaker 12 (18:46):
What was going to happen. Major yeah, major sleepless nights,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I mean I say that because I know banks get
a lot of heat when these when people get ripped
off by genuine scams. But I wonder about the liability
of the bank. Sometimes that's incredibly lucky in your situation, John,
that that bank worker knew something was up and stopped
at it. But I don't know that that's the responsibility always,
you know, if they say something.

Speaker 13 (19:09):
Good on that.

Speaker 11 (19:11):
Yeah, but I'll tell you something you've just reminded. We
did get scammed, and I won't name the bank. Let's
just say it's Stay owned. So we got scammed in
the US and we were boarding a flight and it
was to try and get an esther. Okay, I hate
this digital world, by the way, I think it sucks.
So we had to get this special thing to get
into Canada from the US. Nobody told us, even the

(19:33):
airline at the time that we're not allowed to tell you.
Just scan this QR code, so we did. Anyway, we
get to Canada and then I quickly get on my
phone to have a lock in there. Two one hundred
and twenty five bucks has gone out of the account
on some kind of sports shoes on another side of America.
And then we get back to New Zealand. We talked
to this some bank and white are scrapped and like

(19:55):
fair fraud team, they make it more than hard and
fortunately I could go in and talk to a real
life teller who, to her credit, had some pretty big taverness,
and she said, I'm not going to let them get
away with this. We got out two hundred and fifty
five dollars back or whatever it was that it took
some serious scrapping on my power. I was not going
to back down. I was going to go You're going
to think I am the customer from help because I

(20:17):
just want to go away. But only because of that
in this bank towner really having a empathetic years, she thought, Nah,
you deserve to give your money back.

Speaker 12 (20:27):
This is crap.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah and yeah, well, I think there's a balance there, John.
In your situation where you had that one hundred and
twenty five bucks go to this this dodgy website, I
think that's different from you know, the honeypot scams where
they go several times to a bank taking money out
to deliver to some scammer off shore. That's where I
think it gets a bit more gray on the responsibility

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of the bank. But you know, in your situation, thank
god that bank work has stopped it.

Speaker 11 (20:55):
Well, we closed, We closed the account immediately on that
credit card, so we quickly went Online closed there instantly,
and so that was gone. And I mean we did
everything right. But even then the fraud team, Oh they
played good cot badcock with me. A the manager rang
I thought he was all on my side until he
did nothing.

Speaker 14 (21:16):
Yeah, I said, I.

Speaker 11 (21:17):
Want to talk to the big boys. You know, these
banks are naughty sometimes they really can be, but other
times they're brilliant.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yep, John, thank you very much. So you call John,
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I've got a question on scams for you. Yep. Ninetwo
niney two and you Tyler.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
So.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
In two thousand and nine, of course, Bernie Madoff was
found guilty of scamming nineteen billion dollars, a very famous case.
How many years in prison did he get for his
Ponzi operations.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I'm going to go.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Ninety years, okay, all right, but if you think you
know nine ninety two, it is twenty eight minutes to two.
Will be back very shortly. On newstalks.

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Speaker 4 (23:24):
Thank you very much. Roylena is twenty four to two.
We've been talking about scams.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
After a wake otto couple and narrowly avoided losing two
undred and seventy thousand after the lawyer lawyer's email was
hacked by UK scammers. Before the break, I asked the
question how many years did Bernie Madoff get for his
nineteen billion dollars ponzi scheme? A lot of answers coming
through here. He got about one hundred life sentences, which

(23:50):
equated to about one thousand years in jail. It was
from Michael. Someone now said, knowing the justice system, he
probably got ninety days in prison. Someone else said Bernie
made off for two hundred and fifty years. He actually
got ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
One hundred and fifty years in prison. But he didn't.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
He didn't suit of all of that, as you'd expect.
He died in prison in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
How old was he roughly when he went into prison.
He was quite He was in his eighties, wasn't alf.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think he was in his seventies.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, but boy, nineteen billion dollars and the worst thing
about Bernie made off Is.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
He was running these charity events.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
He was going in front of people saying I'm this
amazing guy and living this whole life. And boy did
a blow up in his face, and terrible things happened
to his kids. It was really horrible. But to be
stealing money from someone and then just taking the accolades
of from other people, there's this amazing, you know, benefactor.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Sophisticated, but an absolute psychopath.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Was there was one thing I wanted to bring it
before because we call him. Before I was talking, John
was talking about esters. You know, when you're going to
the States, you go online and you and your book,
you pay for your ester, which you know how you
get into the States. There is a bunch of ester
sites that you can pay and get your ester, but
you will pay extra money. You've got to make sure
you go to the US government one. Just go down

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to the actual official one. So when you search, other
ones pop up that are they will give you a ester,
but then they'll charge you a feed to do something
and all they're doing is then going to the site
that you can go directly to Steddy scammers.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
So there's when you Google because I haven't been to
the States for a long time, and the last time,
I think the travel agent just sorted it out for us.
So if you go and pay your ester, google it. Yeah,
mostly scammy sites until you get to the official one.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, and the official one is very very clearly official.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
But you will get your ester.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's just that you're paying money to someone to do
something that's as just as easy for you to do it.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
It's dirty. Ah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call get a James.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Hello James, you were seeing a fake website by someone?

Speaker 16 (25:47):
Yeah, so I was on Facebook marketplays it was it. Yeah,
So this wasn't a huge scam. This was something I
was trying to buy from.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 16 (25:57):
I was selling something, that's right.

Speaker 14 (25:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (26:00):
I was selling a record for about forty bucks and
this person hits me up and they want to buy it,
and I say, okay, sweet air, and they say, I
live in the South Island and I have a career,
come and pick it up off you. But the thing

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is they would get me to go to a site
where I would it looks just like an insid post site.
But what you do. You're going there and then what's
an INSID post sight. You would log into like an
ain ZD thing and you would collect money. We have
like a collect button. This person has set up forty
dollars for you to collect, and then you would press

(26:43):
bun and collect the money, and then a courier person
would supposedly come to your house pick up the package
and then go and post it away. But I go
to the site and I'm on it. You know, you
have to be careful about these things. I click one
of the links on the aims page that they've sent
me and they're all dead. They don't go anywhere. So

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that's pretty much what alluded me to the fact that
it was a skin skin.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Im So when you went to the when you went
to the page first up, it looked completely legit.

Speaker 16 (27:14):
Yeah yeah, And I by myself on being quite good
at working these things out, so and then yeah, so
I just did a click check, clicked a couple of
the links, and they were just it was just text
that wasn't It wasn't a link that went anywhere.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
So if they were, there's quite clever James, and sorry
to jump in there, But if they had gone the
full hog and and developed some websites on those links
that might have got you.

Speaker 16 (27:38):
Yeah, exactly, And I I did something quite stupid. I
was messaging my guy, I think this is a fake
site because it's not going anywhere, and he goes to me,
what makes you think it's fake? Then I fully explained
to him why I thought it was fake. It probably
wasn't good because it improved his game.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, But it used to be if you went to
a fake website, it looked lower rears, it looked rubbish
because it was a lot of energy to put in
to create a website that looked legit. But now it's
so easy, and with AI coming through, the amount of
effort to be put into make a website there where
all the links will go to places is becoming easier
and easy. So even if you if you're trained to

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see what wasn't isn't quite right then.

Speaker 16 (28:22):
But even then I was probably quite stupid in the
entering my bank details into I think, so, yeah, just
just watching out for that.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
If you're even slightly I mean, that's really the thing.
If you're even slightly even I mean basically, don't give
your credit card details when they're asked for, as basically on.

Speaker 16 (28:43):
My rule of some would be don't follow don't follow links.
If you're buying or selling something, just go through a
z saying look, will you take a transfer if they
won't take a transfer after yourself wise, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is if someone
comes to you, then don't give them your details. I mean,
if you've gone obviously, if you've gone to a site,
you've seen it, you've put it in the cart, and
you bought it, then then that makes sense. But if
someone's approached you with something and then they want to payment,
then you have to really, really really think through before
you make that payment.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, but you've just reminded me, James. Actually, when I
did get scammed similar way that I was trying to
buy some training bots hiking boots and they weren't a
brand that you could get here.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
In New Zealand. They were called Scarper.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
So I googled Scarper boots and what popped up was
a Scarper USA dot com look legit, and the prices
for these boots were really good, great discount, but it
turned out it was just a scam site. So I
lost a couple of hundred bucks on those boots that
never existed, but I thought I clicked on a few
different products, different boots, having a look, and it all

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seemed legit. It was just a very sophisticated website. And
then when I went back a couple of months later,
that website was gone, Well.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Thank you so much for you cool James, appreciate you
sharing that with us.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
You go.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I was gonna say, we're talking scams one hundred and
eighty ten eighty of your nearly being scammed or have
you been scammed?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Want to hear from you?

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Some great teas coming through on nine two, nine to
We'll get to some more of those very shortly.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
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Speaker 6 (30:21):
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Quarter to two.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So a bunch of text coming through in scams on
nine two ninety two. Sometimes it's simple things. Recently, I
was asked by Microsoft to download a Microsoft authenticator to
access my account. I went to Google play Store and
typed it in, downloaded the app and accessed it. I
put in my details and then entered everything. I ended
up getting diverted to an adult site, a blue site.

(30:48):
I immediately contact my bank, can cancel my credit cards.
I already been billed for two dollars fifty. It turned
out an app was put on the play store designed
to duplicate the original, specifically to full people. Turns out
that people pay to have the advertisement at the top
of the search list to catch people out. Straight after that,
I got a call from the micropost Microsoft phone scam
in the game the evening. I couldn't believe I got

(31:09):
caught by this Peter. Well, yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
And how I got scammed. My son was in an
ultra marathon here in New Zealand. I checked the site.
Actually there were four had photos of the run, all
the details, list of the runners. I used a bank
account I hardly used, had five dollars in't it clicked
and they took one dollar eighty seven. I then closed
the account, finally got the correct site.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well lucky now and he took a dollar eighty seven. Yeah, Lynn,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (31:36):
Hi? Talking about my daughter's from IRONMN. She sits in
an iron Man and recently it was the world's over
and nos yep, And I got scammed just trying to
get some more info and pictures on that site. But
that's that's not what I rang about. I'm in hospital
at the moment, a feeling pretty vulnerable. So what started

(32:00):
this was I was trying to get in said health
line here it advertise on the radio, and twenty four
to seven. So I finally managed to get the other numbers.
I didn't know what it was, eight hundred or five,
whatever the numbers were, got the full number, and I
ran what I thought was in the healthline, and being

(32:26):
a mind of junk dividers, I could how do you
see my mobile screen? But I was to put in
where I was from, what the issue was, which was
my eyes, and what country am I? Oh my god,
I thought, oh new errand so I pushed news land
and it was going to cost me two dollars. So

(32:47):
as much as I could see, I did that. The
print was very small than what they were saying, and
after about half an hour, I thought a thing. I
didn't say what it was going to say Faggott, and
I thought to myself, oh my god, I've been scammed.
So I looked at my bank account and it was

(33:08):
two dollars. How seventy two dollars right came out of
my bank account? I thought I have been scammed. So anyway,
finally I got up the hold of Indeed Helpline. They
were wonderful to me. That was what I wanted initially.
But how these creeks came across my screen when I
was trying to bring Indied health Line was absolutely shocking.

(33:31):
I hope nobody ever gets caught with it. Incid health
Throne was so good and so much so that they
couldn't eminence for me. I was in a state not
about that. It was his an adverse reaction to malatonin,
and that's a natural natural product. Do you know what

(33:52):
it is?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Melatonin?

Speaker 17 (33:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Howps you get to sleep?

Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:55):
It's good stuff.

Speaker 7 (33:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (33:57):
So I woke up at one am and my head
was in a spin and I had to go the towarlet,
and I thought, how the hell am I going to
get to the toilet?

Speaker 7 (34:10):
What's so learn?

Speaker 3 (34:11):
So learn?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm so sorry we're running out of time here. But
Healthline did help you in the end. You managed to
get through.

Speaker 17 (34:16):
To the proper and finally got me an eminent, which
is so appreciative, great.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And thank you so much for call. And I hope
you got to the toilet as well.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah, absolutely, that's important. So oh e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you
prefer to text you more than welcome. Nine to nine.
Two quick couple of ticks to the break ghetto guys.
I always use PayPal. You can get your money back
if it is not legitimate. A great fail safe way
to make transactions online.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't use PayPal. Do you use paper?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I used to do use PayPal, but PayPal always seems
to annoy me when whenever I'm trying to buy anything,
PayPal seems to get in the way. As I always
asked me, do you have a PayPal account? Who's your
PayPal account? I had a PayPal count at some point.
I find that annoying. I was scroll past that, but
that maybe that gives you because you registered with PayPal,
then yours sort of you're getting in there and they

(35:07):
take a little a little cut off the pay I'm
not sure how it works alone, musk a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Dale always sort of looked dodgy, but maybe it is
a better way to do things right. We will take
a couple more of your calls. Rea shortly, it is
eleven minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
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Speaker 6 (35:33):
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Speaker 4 (35:35):
B seven to two having a great chat about scams
or moments where you almost got caught out by a
sophisticated scammer.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
This texture of nineteen nine two says Hi, before I
paid my house sentiment, the lawyer emailed me the deposit
slip info and also instructed me to phone their office
to confirm the account number.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
This was reassuring, so simple.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, right, so the lawyer emailed me the deposit slip
info and also instructed me to phone their office to
confirm the number. Yeah, that's the thing, if you go
straight to the source whenever you're confused at all. And
we're talking about that email, such the email and voice before,
so if you look at it it's not quite right.
You can go through the direct channels and ask them
if you're doing business with them.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
And that's a good lawyer.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
But I can't recall when I've needed a service, and
this isn't having a go at those organizations, but they
them telling me to do that to say, hey, we're
going to have some invoices here, there's going to be
some email communication. Just make sure that you give us
a call and make sure it's all above board.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
But I like that.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
That's kind of where we're at in the world at
the moment, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well, on a very basic level, if you get it,
you're expecting a pass package and this is the most
common one out there at the moment, and there is
you know your package is held up somewhere or whatever
details about your package. It's arrived for a text message
click on this link. Then if you're expecting as package,
ring up the people. If you need to go directly

(36:57):
to the source. They talked directly the source, so you
reach out to them rather than following the link. Because
nowadays there's no self respecting you know, coreer or whatever
situation that's just going to send you something and say
click on the link. Yes, that's not the way it's
going to work.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, but then again, you know, if it's New Zealand
posts and not slamming New zeal on posts too much,
but good luck ringing them if you need to.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
You're not going to get a hold of them.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
So I can see why people fall for the scam
and say, oh they're not bloom an answer, and I'll
just click on the link because I really want my
thing from Temu.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, but that's so.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
But if your your package isn't late, so then you
don't need to do anything, do you.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
But you know, I said, this is a problem with
all of us at the moment. We order so much
crap online that we don't keep up with that. So
that did I order a package?

Speaker 6 (37:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I think I did.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, that's true. Actually I had. I had something that
arrived yesterday and I was like, oh God, did I
find that?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Jesus, what was I thinking.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
So to spot online scams, look for red flags. Overly
enticing deals that seem too good to be true, unexpected contact,
asking for personal information, pressure to act immediately, that's a
good one. Suspicious links and emails of texts, requests for
upfront payments, Poorly designed websites, that's a good one. And
any communication that us for sensitive details like passwords or

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credit card numbers without a clear reason.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Good tips very good. Tips really enjoyed that discussion. Thank
you very much. We're going to change tech after two o'clock.
We want to have a chat about public school versus
private school. This is on the back of a great
story in the Herald looking into christ College, very famous
private school in christ Church, celebrating one hundred and seventy
five years.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I know some great people that went to that school.
But it's the most expensive one too, isn't it fifty
six thousand dollars if you're boarding and thirty four thousand
dollars if you're a day weat that's that's a bit.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's a lot of cash.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
What does that fifty six thousand dollars actually get you
if you go to a private school that you couldn't
get from a public school.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Is it thirty four thousand dollars better than just sending
your kids to the local public school?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
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Speaker 4 (39:59):
Send me good afternoon, Welcome back to the show. Great
day of your company. As always, right, let's have a
chat about private school versus public school.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, so christ College is the most expensive private school
in the country, as we were saying before, thirty four
one hundred and ninety for day boys, fifty six thousand,
four hundred and forty for boarding per year, and the
one hundred and seventy five years old. Not the oldest
private school in the country, but the most expensive.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
I think Nelson College, my alma Martin might be the
oldest college in the country.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That's the oldest college. But that's not a private college,
is it. No, that's public.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
That's public. It's the oldest school in the country.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I believe, so that I'll run out and go there.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
He did a beautiful bust of Sir Ernest Rutherford and
the halls when you walk in and man, it's a
good school school for a public school. Okay, Yeah, But
as I think, there is one private high school Nelson
now called garn College, that didn't exist when I was there.
But on the talk about public versus prime but we
didn't really have an option, so I went to Nelson College,

(41:04):
which is a very good college for a public school.
My older brother went to Nayland and Nelson, which again
public school, and then my little bro went to Nelson
College as well, but it wasn't an option, saying that
there was a boarding house and from memory, the board
has paid about.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Ten ten k term. Oh yeah, so that was about
forty k oh.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, you'd have been eaten up and spat out in
a boarding school.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Mate, dodgy boarding schools at Nowson College, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
The question is whether or not boarding or not or
such or whatever, are private school's worth it? Are they
better than public schools. I've got a very wealthy friend
who sent his kids to public school even though he
had more than enough money to go to private school.
And his theory on this situation was that he wanted
his kids to experience New Zealand society as it is

(41:54):
not some kind of purified, rarefied version of it where
all the you know, all the all the roughness had
been come off, so to deal with a whole lot
of different types of people.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Really, it's anos philosophy. They could and poor you know,
you'd be a more more well rounded person going to
a public school.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, you, and you'd hit the workforce being able to
deal with all kinds of people. That was his theory
on it. I went to I went to public school.
I was threatened every now and then with being sent
to boarding school due to my poor behavior. But I
went to public school, and I had a terrible education
and came out dumble.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Than I went.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
And I think, yeah, but look at you now. Yeah,
it's a hell of a threat, though, isn't it. So
if you don't pull your head and we're going to
spend forty thousand dollars to send you to a private school,
so you better make sure you behave yourself.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, I hardn't though, John mcgreshon, was that much money
back in the day. But yeah, I wait, hundred eighty
ten eighty do your kids go to private school and
what are the advantages or I waite hundred and eighty
ten eighty a year happy with the education you get
to a public school and you just cannot imagine spending
that money because because I actually think, you know, my
kids went to public schools, and I think it's an

(43:02):
amazing thing that a school is provided for you. I mean,
I pay a lot of tax, but the school is
provided for you. And it's a fantastic school that especially
the high school that my kids are at. It's a
fantastic thing that's been provided and put together and there's
great teachers and great opportunities there. So I think I'd
be crazy to ship them away from the public school

(43:23):
that they go to.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Seems to be a big thing in christ Church that
the private schools are held in very high esteem and parents,
if they can afford it, we'll get their kids to
those private schools. A hell of high water and it is.
It feels very christ specific there. But I think I
was lucky going to Nelson College. That was it's quite
an esteemed college, very well to do. They had a
lot of resource and they get a lot of money

(43:45):
from the community and got a good old boys network,
but still public. And I think that's a big thing
for Cantaps. And we're talking. What kicked off this topic
was Christ College the old boys network.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, right, so.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You meet people in the upper echelons of society, and
so you will, even if you're not that flash yourself, Yeah,
you will operate in that. And then one day, You're
going to a job like we remember crumpeting you and
we are in the dormant.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
It's very Charles Dickens, isn't it. That's how it used
to operate. I don't I don't know if I buy
that anymore. I don't know if the Old Boys network
is still as strong as it was fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
This Texter on nineteen nine two says ex secondary teacher
taught in both private private as a networking exercise. Teachers
that train the same resources are better on the private,
but they have the same issues bullying, eating disorders, and
mental health problems. You're better off investing those thousands for
life after school.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Great text, keep them coming through nine two, nine to two,
and the number to call a Z eight hundred and
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Speaker 3 (44:57):
News Talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
We're talking about public versus private schools on the back
of a great story in the Herald, an in depth
focus on Christ College.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
But the question is is it.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Really worth thirty four thousand dollars a year to put
your kid into private school.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
What do you get for that money?

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Well, if you go to Christ College, you've got that
way of talking. You've got to talk like this for
the rest of your life. You also do that from
Kings in Auckland. It's got some big alma mater, Lee Hart.
Of all people, he's a Christ College boy.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, he's a great testament. Certainly.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Is one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Nine two ninety two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Greg? How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (45:36):
Good Christ? How you guys?

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Go? Very good?

Speaker 13 (45:39):
You got I need to nail the primary school, so
I would have gone to nail and College and State
of Neilson bro so you you entered the plunchy school
where we went to the Clasic school.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
It's a weird thing about Nowson College, isn't it is
that you kind of look at it and think it
should be private. But Nelson was too small to kind
of have a private college.

Speaker 13 (45:59):
Yeah, I've out of the chided my children would navigate
religious schools or too wealthy rich private schools, and my
daughter went to a Catholic school because my wife decided
it was one hundred jars from home and she needed
to get some religious instruction for some reason.

Speaker 14 (46:17):
And my son went.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
My son went to one of the wealthy, most expensive
to build on the Gold Coast in Australia for a
few years now. That was worth the money because he
went there for a specific degrees in the sporting scholarship.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Getting that paid off.

Speaker 13 (46:32):
I don't think I can hear a keep wise. He
did a lot of good, but sporting wise had definitely
made a huge difference to what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
So, Greg, are you standing?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Are you standing beside a jet engine or something out there?
You've got a window open, a car or something.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
I'm driving in the car.

Speaker 13 (46:49):
The truth onto the hearing aids. That's what I said
to the producer. I said, if you can't hear me
from you, hang up.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
We'll stick with you a bit longer. But there's quite
a lot of noise there that we appreciate your call. So, Greg,
so that was a sporting college for a particular particular
sport and and that paid off. Hey, when you said
that you're one of your kids went to Catholic school?
Were you Catholic? Did you you know were they were
they baptized.

Speaker 13 (47:18):
While we were in zone for that school. But my
wife parents were Catholic, so we used that way. And
since then I found out that I'm being either statised Catholic.
I had no idea and I'm sixteen years old now,
so my brother told me and so. But yeah, that
was more of a convenience thing.

Speaker 17 (47:38):
For for us.

Speaker 13 (47:39):
My stays with the sport the kids are doing.

Speaker 18 (47:42):
It was he deal.

Speaker 13 (47:43):
I got a art way between the and the signing pool,
so they made their life eat yet but yeah, I
think they're paid off too well. My daughter had quite
a few, shall we say, robust discussions with the religious
teachers at the school, ended up getting that ended up
getting the top religious award at the school, which is surprising.
But I think both of the schools had in the eparents.

(48:08):
The private school. To be honest with your broading side
of it, it wasn't really I think we were hearing
your said on the he was of Australia, so it
made it a bit more difficult to be feared up
when you needed to, and there was a lot of
There was a lot of nice, very wealthy people, but

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there was also a lot of self entitled very wealthy
people there too. Yeah, there was a sort of a
lot of pik win for farming to my farming back man,
isn't it sex school?

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Because I was slightly rade, I think we've just lost
your Greg. But thank you for your cool, Greg, appreciate it.
Sounds like, yeah, that you were your boy. What was
that a goldie heater? There was a lot of noise
in there.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
He was, but good cool, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Greg.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
A couple of texts here, guys, they're not private schools.
Tax payers are paying well.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
No, they're paying some of it, but not as much.
I think as someone could correct me on this, but
I believe the government spends about a quarter of the
honey on a private school student as they do on
a public school student. I believe you I might might
have to lock into that, so bang on. So if
you're if you're sending your kid to a private school,
then you're doing a really good thing for the country.

(49:21):
You're helping out there because you're because you're choosing to
both pay taxes and also pay for you most of
your kids' education. Yeah, so you know, good on, good
on people that do it. You have a found the
nation and you are bang on.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Independent schools receive and private schools receive a subsidy of
one thousand, five hundred and eighty dollars per student, a
quarter of the per student government funding received by state schools.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
A nice work.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call private versus Public? Is it worth spending
an extra thirty thousand dollars plus a year to send
them to private? Love to hear from you. It is
nineteen past two.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZV.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Good afternoon, It is twenty one past two and a
good discussion about private versus public on the back of
an in depth feature about Christ College down in christ Church.
But is it really worth spending thirty thousand dollars plus
per year to send your child to private?

Speaker 16 (50:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I wonder if you went to your kid in year nine,
which is third form in my years, and said, hey, hey,
hey son, because I've got sons, hay Son, would you
like to go to private school? Or would you like
me to give you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
or whatever that is? Plus interest over the time when
you leave school at eighteen.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
I can answer that for you. One hundred and fifty
k dare please, I'll take the money. But it is
a fair question. I mean, if you were to put
that money aside and that's a house to posit for
your kid, is that of more value than private school.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
This text of phil Thank you. The scholarship results came out,
you say, even when adjusted for school sized, public schools
come out way on top. Now, I understand that if
public schools and private schools the difference in terms of
exam results, and it's about the same. If you go
to a school in arisme well off area, then the
results are about the same as a private school.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
So if you go to say, for.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Example, Auckland Grammar for example, then the results are very
similar to a private school.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Which makes sense. I've just got a bit of a
I've got that story in front of me. Actually, do
you want to hear the top five in terms of
NCAA achievement.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Right, yeah, let's go all right.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
So Number one I own a college which is in
Havelock North Integrated. Number two mana Tamariki which is Palmerston North.
That is a state school, public school. Number three Green School,
New Zealand, which is a New Plymouth private. Number four
Natawa Dyerson's School in Martin that's an integrated school. And
number five is Baradene College in Auckland integrated good Rowers. Yeah,

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and all of those schools achieved at least an achievement
rate of ninety six percent. For NCEEA, so one that
people will be familiar with in Auckland. Saint Cuth's YEP
number seven at ninety four percent success rate.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Where's Christ College? We're talking about Christ College. We're going
to need to go down.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
I'm going to have to refresh the page here to
find King's was what's King's number?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Kings is the Christ College of Auckland.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Yeah, that's number nineteen. Whereas Christ there's way down the list. Wow,
you're thirty four and ninety bucks. I'm going to have
to come back to you. I'm going to have to
go through the lessons try and find Christ College. Lit's
go to the phones though, and Dave, how are you hi?

Speaker 13 (52:36):
Good afternoon fellas.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
And public versus private? Did you go to a private
school yourself?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Dave Marlboro Boys college mate?

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, solid school public, public airs, but solid.

Speaker 19 (52:49):
School, public public school for school. My daughter went to
a private school and my son goes to an integraded school.
You know, any what.

Speaker 12 (53:01):
Do you call it?

Speaker 19 (53:02):
It's not public, but it's not private.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Yeah, stayed integrated school yep.

Speaker 19 (53:08):
And Christ's Yeah. Look, I personally, I think there's still
a bit of a labeled handbagger attitude in particular crisis
about what school your kids go do it's you know,
there's that belief that you know, if you've got them,

(53:28):
if you've got the weather rules to do it in fine,
you know. I think they're that whole attitude of you know,
my children go to this school is still prevalent in that,
you know, in some people's minds. But I think quite
public schools do an amazing job at giving young young

(53:50):
adults just as much opportunity as private schools. I'm sure
they don't have the ski trips and haspen and so forth,
but they do an amazing job. And I wouldn't spend
the money on a private school if I had my time.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Again, I wonder, what's.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
What it's better to be, dave, to be the to
be a poor person. A poorer person like less money
amongst a bunch of rich people, or how that affects
you because if your parents scratch it together, go to
private school to make your life better and you're but
you don't have the same advantages as some of the

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other people. Is that better for you because you make
the connections with wealth for your people and you operate
in those circles. Or do you just go around having
a skewed version of the world and always feel like
a insufficient or something and ashamed of your house?

Speaker 19 (54:43):
Oh mate, look, I think it's the worst thing you
can do. The movie Extent of a Woman comes straight
into my into the front check.

Speaker 13 (54:51):
To my brain.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Great movie, I think, yeah, great movie.

Speaker 19 (54:54):
I think you should just focus on developing your young
people with good.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
Character, and you don't.

Speaker 19 (55:01):
And just because they go to private school, they're not
going to have any more characters, like to say, I'm
a Christian, so I've got a better characters rubbish. Develop
your children, tell them and show them that the only
job they start at the top is digging holes, mate,
And doesn't matter whether you're wealthy or middle class or
port everyone has got the opportunity to succeed in life.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
In a private school.

Speaker 19 (55:27):
Actually, in my mind is an anchor around some kipt net.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
I mean it's an interesting one, isn't it, Dave. It's
about who you know, not what you know, and sometimes
that is very true in life. But whether you make
those connections at the high school level, or whether you
start to make those connections once you get into university
or get into your working life, that would be where
I would lean to. That's when you start to prove
your own worth and make those connections.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
Right.

Speaker 19 (55:55):
Well, my partner's a very successful woman. She put her
children go to a private school. She was a Nelson
Nelson Girls student. Ever went to a private school has
needed streaming well in life. The two kids go to
a very well known private school. The problem is they
have no empathy. And you know not every student has

(56:21):
the stained but and you know she's got bucket loads
of it. I just think that, you know, you teach
those things, those characters characteristic to your children and don't
rely on a teacher and all the color of the
uniform or how many badges I've got on their leftl.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, yeah, I'll think of you cool, Dave. Appreciate that.
When I think about private and public schools, always think
of that movie Class. Do you remember that it was
from the eighties.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I haven't seen that. Rob low Andrew McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
And Andrew McCarthy's a he's not a rich kid, and
he goes to this rich school but anyway ends up
going to the house of his rich friend, Rob Lowe's house,
and anyway ends up sleeping with robb Loow's mother and
it all gets out of control and it's great movie.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
It sounds like a good time.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
And quickly the six to get our guys, what number
did Denny Urk High School come through?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Chahoo? Well? I had to look up.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Dear Texter, and Denny Vik High School isn't listed in
terms of a number, but it was a pass rate
of forty two percent, So.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, yeah, what is my my school? Bogan Park High
School in Dunedin, Ogan It was called everyone called a
Bogan Park al right, Logan Park, Logan Park High School,
Butts Road, Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Okay, let's have a weird lookit of that. That'd be
right at the.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Top, wouldn't it. Park a bunch of prefabs in a
south facing.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Valley to better Logan Park fifty three percent pass rate?

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Really?

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Come on, you can get that up, Come on, say
what happened when you left Logan Parks, left Bogan Park
and I went down hill? One hundred and eighty ten
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Speaker 4 (59:22):
We're talking about the public school versus private school debate
on the back of an in depth feature about Christ
College down in christ Church. But at a cost of
thirty thousand dollars plus for a day boy and fifty
four thousand dollars for a border is that really value
for money these days? Private school says this Texas just
has rich bullies and measuring competitions. Better off getting out

(59:44):
into the real world. Most rich never went to any school.
I mean most said rich never went to any school.
I think I know that this person says ridiculous argument.
It's always been about who you know and not what
you know. When basic Edugan state education standards are equal.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Is it right? I mean, there's so many people that
have fought their way out for the bottom, they had
that desire.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I mean there's a I've certainly know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
A few people that have been that have grown up
quite wealthy trust fund kids and stuff that had all
the advantages, went to private school and have turned their
worlds into a hellholes of their own making.

Speaker 11 (01:00:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
And I'm just trying to think of connections I made
at high school Nelson College that have got me, you know,
an extra leg up in life. I don't know if
I was making those connections in high school that was
a little bit later in life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
This is an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
If you look at brain science, which is a weird
way to say brain science, the research shows that it's
way better to use the money earlier and spend the
first few years of your children life at home with
than it is to invest in private schooling. Yeah, because
I was saying, would you say to your kid in
year nine, joan one hundred and fifty thousand dollars at
the end of it. But you know, like the Attaga
Longitudinal Study, fantastic study out of my hometown that started

(01:00:56):
in nineteen seventy two. It has found that basically all
the investment in the first three years of your life
is the main thing. So if you want to spend
money on your kids, spend it early in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
The first thousand days a toddler. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Morris, How are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (01:01:14):
Oh, not a bad lad, calm hands down on private school.
And I've got five girls at Winters and Customers, four
boys that have gone to Kings and they started the
King's Prep and when they're in the public tick one
of my daughters in are she's so dumb, she's bordering
on special needs. But she didn't enjoy it because they

(01:01:35):
spoke down. He had taught you like a She was
always brought up like an adult. As soon as she
got ontot Customer. She is in the top two percent
of the country when oldest skirls have gone on ones
and all speed suning ones at GP. And you can't
say that it's not from anything other than education.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, And what was the specific change there? Was it
zeroing in on on what your daughter actually needed to succeed.
Is it the fact that they had to meet more
resources that you could have a one on one with
a teacher.

Speaker 14 (01:02:02):
Well, at Customers, they have a teacher twenty two students
in her class, and then they have one teacher ade
per class. Of you are slightly behind, you get the
one on ones to bring you up and that's the goal.
And thenother thing the variety. She learned Mandarin, French, and Spanish.
This is before she got to the intermediate that's.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
In the junior schourse.

Speaker 14 (01:02:22):
I played the trombone all of these things which are
character building and people go, oh, you know that's really jerkyish,
but it actually is what develops her character.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Man, learn Mandarin is a really really hard language to learn,
isn't it. Yeah, I mean it's all the different pictures
and such.

Speaker 14 (01:02:42):
Yeah, but it's the culture of the school is what
gives them the desire to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:02:47):
And and she looked.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
She was told she.

Speaker 14 (01:02:49):
Was you know, you're going to be in special needs.
You're stupid. And she was told that from a teacher
who which was very disappointing, war Roman sandals and had
three colors in a hair, which I struggled with that.
But there's thirty two in the class and you're the
one on ones. They don't help the kids that are,
you know, and that's the difference, and that's what you're
paying for.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Thank you, cool Morris. I appreciate it. In that situation,
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
If your child is a square peg and a round
hole in the education system, clearly the private is going
to be able to accommodate for that learning need for
general people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Yeah, general children.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
What about this text has come through on the hybrid method.
We could not afford a private school, but employed a
private math tutor to help for an hour a week.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Love you guys, great programs. Thanks Katy, Well, thank you,
love you too, Kathy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
But yeah, I mean that's the thing, like you if
you just want to like just pump up your pump
up your private school with a tutor a lot cheaper.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Yeah, have you you forked out for any tutors or
you've got very clever kids?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
But yeah, yeah, I've had tutors with the kids. Yeah,
you know, there's some great tutors around after school.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
And it's a lot less than fifty six thousand dollars,
a lot, a lot less.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
This text here from Kevin. How about mags my school? Kevin,
I've got to say Mount Albert Grammer is a great school.
That is a great public school, very well run, fantastic place. Yeah,
likely said a lot of kids there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
There are a lot of a lot of kids there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Lot of kids looking forward to your stories on O
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and your thoughts private
versus public Is it still worth the extra money that
you have to pay per year? And if you want
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Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
It's nineteen to three, having a great discussion about private
versus public schooling.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
We certainly are tiles. Now I've got a question for
you and the listeners. How many fully registered private school
kids do you think there were in New Zealand as
of July twenty twenty four? Oh, good question, and total numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
I'm going to say one hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
So far, so far from the truth, there was thirty three,
nine hundred and twenty said it so it's pretty pretty exclusive,
very exclusive. So there's there's seven hundred and twenty two
hundred and thirty four at state schools and ninety eight
hundred and twenty four at state integraded schools. So if
you're going to send your kids to a private school,
they're in a very very select view in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Yeah, pretty elite. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
Quick text here before we go back to the phones. Guys,
I think it depends on the kid. My friend sent
her children now twenty eight and thirty to private school,
spent thousands, one is currently unemployed, and one is a
flight attendant.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Flight attendant's a good professional.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
That certainly is m your thoughts on private versus public schools.

Speaker 20 (01:05:48):
M Hey, oh, yes, hello, hello, Yeah, I've been waiting
for a while, so can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, pcha, Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:05:59):
Well I've been listening to what you guys have been seeing,
and we've done exactly that with our daughter. We've we
financially stabilized her with the property instead of sending her
to a private school. Had a very bad experience with
our first one on the first year with the private school.
When we made complaints, we found out that the private

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schools are not answerable to the Education Review Office or
the Ministry of Education because they're a privately run business.
And so this is what amazes me. We fund it,
but they're not answerable to the taxpayers at all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Right, And.

Speaker 20 (01:06:37):
The other thing as well is that we found out
from the twelve students that were in the class, they
had asked six of the students to repeat year one
because they said that they weren't fully developed in terms
of moving on and learning in year two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
It was yeah, so my year.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Just to confirm in your talking, you're not talking about
a high school, Year one would be the first year
of school, primary school, five.

Speaker 20 (01:07:02):
Year of primary school. Yeah, six out of the twelve
that are inside the class. There's twas students in the class,
and the teacher is asking for year one students to
repeat year one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
But do you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Think do you think there was for financial reasons?

Speaker 20 (01:07:20):
I mean, I'm like, yeah, and and of course if
you make a if you make a complaint to the
board or anything. But because they're a private organization, they're
only interested in protecting themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
More scared of parents, you know, because if you're spending
that amount of money.

Speaker 20 (01:07:36):
Not not not with the private education. They're not with
the board of if you make a complaint on a
public school, since they are answerable to the Ministry of Education,
they're answerable to the to er and everything else that
public schools they are worried about where it goes to.
But private schools they're not worried because the only place
they have to go back is to the board, and

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the board is of course, you know, they've got their
own kids in a private school.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, but I mean there are of course the laws
of the country and education standards and stuff that are
upon them as well. So you could you could, I
guess you if it was a major, a major problem,
you could go above the school.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
I imagine, oh.

Speaker 20 (01:08:18):
You like you know, we were, we were got to
a point where we're gonna we were gonna make up,
you know, complain to the police. And then the principal
got us in, apologized, and we pulled out our daughter
out of the first year and put her into into
the public into a public school, and she's from there
on in just flourished. We're a wonderful teenager and has

(01:08:38):
accomplished a lot more in public school then she was.
Did she ever had the opportunity to you know, yeah,
interesting frame.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
That's that's great to hear him. Thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Interesting take.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
And I understand where Emma's coming from. And clearly that
experience was atrocious. And when you're spending that amount of
money and you go to the school and say you're
not looking after my child and they say, we don't care.
But I don't know if that would be the case
for most private schools. And I'm not disputing what him
was saying there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Well that well, joe En says, this guy's wrong eto
review private schools. They receive some government funding. Yeah, so
I guess it's yeah, I mean, they want to keep
it in. But I've I've got friends with kids at
private schools and they say the biggest problem is the
amount of communication from the schools. There's way too much
communication because because you're paying the money. Yeah, and I
think already there's too much communication with parents from schools anyway.

(01:09:31):
There's just so much stuff coming through the system, so many,
so many emails, so much stuff too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Muche sort it out, Yeah, just trust trust the process.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Maybe people can dispute this with me, but I think
in private schools, I've heard it's even worse. You're just
getting punished constantly to justify the money coming through so
much communication.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Love to hear from your on one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Scotty, how are you man?

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
There's boys, boys, you've been drinking and toasting with prosecco.
Let's talk champagne printed champagne of New Zealand schools. Yeah,
let's get away from Let's move away from the hillbillies
down at Christ. Money can't buy your ticker. So Christ
is good for one thing, and that's every second year
getting a Mardy Cup title. But you've touched a bit

(01:10:22):
on the NCAA, Scott NCAA. Let's look at scholarships, the
next level up and the school in New Zealand that
set the New Zealand record and it held it for
the last five years. The state school, west Lake Boys
High School, cracked three one hundred and seven scholarships this year.
The next closest was on two hundred and thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
It's cool, not bad Rose either, So they're not bad.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
Rows and they're well they're number three in the rule
at rugby at the moment after winning or coming first
in the world rugby. So Tyler Ti first Athene. I
mean you guys knocked out christ every year or Christ
saw Christy. They can't play rugby down there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan.

Speaker 15 (01:11:06):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
And if you if you've got a care, that public
school competing and support is so good to beat the
private school.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
You love to look at the day and you go,
you're paying, you're paying.

Speaker 7 (01:11:15):
For this, You're paying for them. And a shout out
to the brothers from the White Kid White Kadow Boys High.
Probably the best rugby school, Hamilton Boys High, sorry Hamilton
probably the best rugby school in the world. And in
the year that christ or a n O or christ
Church don't win Marty Hemy Boys takes it out, so
state school again. And of course christ Church Boys, I

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think the second or third year reigning cricket champions. So
and let's go shout out to our friends on the
East Coast. Yeah for Waker Armor champions as well. So
out of that every second or third year Christ's wins
the Marty Cup and they're paying fifty six grand for that.
And I don't know how many scholarships they've got, but
I doubt where it would be anywhere near one hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
And thirty one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
My son, My son won a middle at Marty and
he's out of a public school, so you know that
was free for me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Yeah, public school.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
What's called with here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Is at Megs Well, he was at Megs Max.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
Great school, so yeah great first fifteen every comp up
and a yeah rowing may do really well. I got
a good rowing scholarship programmers also public all the time.
It's put some money into a mercer unit, trust top
and fifty six greame in a year and watch that
over five exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
On Scotty, make the truth, You make a lot of sense.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Scotty one eighty eighty is the number to call. We've
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Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
All right, Hello, you listen to news Talk zed B.
We're talking about private schools. That's an interesting point, isn't it.
The fifty six thousand dollars that's we're talking about? How
much as to and a border. A boarding kid to
christ College includes boarding, food and all extra curricular curricular activities,
plus after school and weekend care, and no teachers went
on strike. It's worth every cent. That's a very good
point because I was thinking about this with one of

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my sons going to a hostel for university. I was thinking,
I save a lot of food.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Yeah, I mean there were sometimes at Nelson College when
we saw what the borders were going to get at lunchtime,
and you'd pay five bucks to eat what they eat, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
It was some good feeding teenagers. That's that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
That's big. That's big dollars feeding teenager.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
And when it's all you can eat. Happy days, Hayden,
how are you this afternoon? A very good so? Oh
you went to both private and public?

Speaker 12 (01:13:51):
Yes, So I went to a well known Auckland boarding
school and I decided to leave there and attended a
Auckland public school.

Speaker 14 (01:14:02):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:14:03):
It's a very interesting comparison between the two. And I
found the education that I was receiving at the private
school to be great, and I was in advanced classes
for English, for maths, and something that didn't carry on
when I went to public school, where sort of said

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to me, I will take a back seat since really
know this stuff. And wait, we went out sid of
catchers up rather than trying to push your head, which
you get at the private school. So it's it's probably
an exciting depend which public school you go to, because
they're not all created equal.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
What age did you swap over from? What age?

Speaker 15 (01:14:42):
Did?

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
What year did you swap over from private to public? Hayden?

Speaker 12 (01:14:46):
Oh, this is going back twenty twenty five years, but
probably I did so I went to deal With school
for boys and so I did the two years at
junior school which is your your intermediate years, and then
I did half a year of the third form before
leaving and going to green Bay High School on we

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Scotland's the time. That wasn't a very great school ahead
a bit of reputation, I guess, sort of as one
of there's no uniform, call your teacher by their first
name for the schools shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I'm not a support of those kind of school.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Was coming to schools. How come you moved that was?

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Was that your choice or the family moved or circumstances changed.

Speaker 12 (01:15:38):
I experienced bullying at Dilworth, right, so that was the
reason to move.

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
It was.

Speaker 12 (01:15:44):
It was a great school as far as education, but
the whole that school's obviously got problems, right, Yeah, everyone,
So some people enjoy it, some people don't. But you know,
I definitely think that you're going to get a bit
of education at a private school. They definitely foster you a.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
Better try and push you, encourage.

Speaker 12 (01:16:04):
Sports and extracurriculum things, you know, so just music and that,
which don't necessarily at a public school.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Yeah, when you'd expect that, wouldn't you expect? You know,
if you're paying for something, then you'd expect to get
more for your money.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
That's the whole point of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
But did how was the bullying when you went to
the public school? Did you not experience bullyting? Was that
that problem sorted for you?

Speaker 21 (01:16:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:16:28):
I think for the most part, I found my social
life got a lot better being at a public school,
and it did at the at the boarding school. But
it's definitely my education slipped. And by halfway through sixth
form I was leaving high school to go start working,
So I didn't even end up graduating high school, which
I probably would have done, and I stayed at Dilworth.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
But is your life pretty good?

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Now, Hayden, the fact that you left school to get
into work, did that end up paying off?

Speaker 7 (01:16:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:17:00):
I'm doing great now, absolutely fantastic. Yeah, that's student of
my own hard work.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
I regon.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, I'm glad it all turn out for you. Hey boys,
this is text on nineteen nine two. Don't underestimate the
old boys network that comes out of private schools. The
opportunities this creates are huge.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I've had no help from the Old Boys Network to
get where I am.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
No me neither.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
I haven't heard anything from Nelson College. I'm marta Ben
does that's say more about me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I've never had the Bogan Park High School on Buttz
Road and dned and special handshake that's got me a
job for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
They having Old Boys Network at Bogan Park. No great discussion,
thank you very much, but we are going to change
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Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
And just a reminder, in about twenty five minutes time,
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Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Yeah, yes, And the free advice here in ninety two
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There's a few coming through here already. This is a
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another one about vaping rules and how that affects your lunchtime,
so you know, keep those coming through, doesn't matter how

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small the issue is.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Yep, absolutely nine two ninety two and oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It pays again in early because
it's always a very popular segment. But right now, let's
have a chat about kmart products. This is on the
back of a woman who bought a mop from Kmart
and she wants answers after the handle came off this
particular mop and she managed somehow to stab herself in

(01:19:32):
the leg. This woman is from Canterbury. Her name is
Sophie Andrews, and she said she was bewildered when she
ran Kmart and said the problem happened with this particular mop,
and the company concluded that there was no risk to
users given the store staff had lost the mop in
question and could not assess it themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
But that is pay a minute. What happened with them?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
What they lost it?

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Yeah, she's taken the mop back to Kmart's for them
to investigate in quotation marks and then they lost the
mop somehow, I mean, is that just language for we
checked it in the bin.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Yeah, yeah, but did they give her a money back
on it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
I imagine?

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
So, I don't know if it actually says in this
particular article whether she got her money back because she
wanted more. She wanted them to take this product right
off the shelves completely. She hazard to New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
So it snapped and stabbed her in the leg, yeah,
or the or the handle came off and stabbed her
in the leg. I've seen the picture of it. Looks
like a reasonably serious injury.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
But as that, just use it ERA, Definitely use it ERA.
How the heck to you?

Speaker 18 (01:20:37):
Look?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
I'm sorry Sophie if you're offended by this, but how
the heck do you stab yourself in the leg with
a mop when the handle comes off and that's an
aggressive moppy?

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Right, so you think she was just mopping super hard.
I can sort of imagine that you're mopping a pace
towards and you hit like a wall on a low angle.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
It comes off, so you're getting a running star with
your mop to try and just get it done as
fast as possible, and you're you're a had a sprint,
then you had a war wind.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
We should should you expect if you spend thirty dollars
for a mop that it can handle that kind of
vigorous mopping.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Well, that is the question that we're going to throw
out there right now. So this aside, and as I
said to you, I've actually got this exact mop. I
bought it on the weekend. It's a good mop so far.
It's retained its handle, yep. So I'm going to go
back and do some vigorous mopping.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
So you got it. You got it this weekend? Got
it this weekend? How many times have you mopped with it? Twice?
And how many times has the handle come off and
stabbed you in the leg?

Speaker 21 (01:21:30):
Zero?

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Funnily enough, So it's a good.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Mop so far.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
So is this a caveat impdor kind of situation?

Speaker 13 (01:21:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Buyer beware? I think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
So if you buy a thirty dollar mop, what do
you expect from that thirty dollar mop? Thirty dollars doesn't
seem like a lot from mop for me. Yeah, I
think if I bought spend thirty dollars on a mop,
I'd expect the handle to come off at some point
in the first three to six months of usage.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Yeah, well, that is The question we're going to put
to you right now is that the case these are
called Enco products. It's the Kmart sort of budget version
of a product, and a lot of people have got
no problem with Enco. The price is right and quite
often the quality is not too bad. But is that
the deal? When you buy a mop or anything else
from the likes of Kmart, you know it's going to

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be cheap, and you've got to expect that if it
does break. That was just a roll of the dice.
You took a gamble. We you all know that sometimes
it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
That's the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
But maybe that's the most expensive mop she can buy.
So if all you can do you need a mop? Yeah,
for mopping, and you've only got thirty bucks, So shouldn't
you expect something that says it's a mop to be
able to handle the mop the job it's it's supposed
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Yeah, you know me, I like a bargain. I actually
thought that was on the upper side of I've seen
thirty It was thirty five bucks for that mop. It's
a three to one bucket. It's quite a clever wee contraption.
I don't want to try and sell this mop too
much in cause.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
It hurts people.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
But I thought thirty five bucks for a Kmart mop?
I mean, what happened to just going down and get
intend on a mop? It doesn't do anything. You don't
put betteries in it, you don't plug it in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
It's just a mop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah, but the handle has to be strong enough to
handle the job part in the punt. Yeah, it's got
to be able to handle what it's what its job
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
I don't know for.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Thirty five bucks though, I mean, how much did you
pay for your mop? Have you got a proper steam mop?
Or is it just your regular old elbow grease push it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
I don't know if I've got a mop?

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
What do you mean you don't have a mop? Do
you not have tile flows?

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
What are you eving? Well, you got carpet in the kitchen,
Well clean's got a mop.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
She got a Kmart mop. We might flicker a t
air break, but oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If
you buy things from Kmart, is it kind of expected
that if it breaks or something doesn't quite work, you
know the deal because you're paid.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
You've got it for a good price.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Love to hear from you caveat in tour as they say, yeah,
oh youre Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text
number of some great ticks coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
Oh look we've got it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Someone that works at kmart that's going to give us
the full, full story in the background.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Here, fantastic, This is going to be good.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
It is twelve pass three, good afternoon, it's a quarter
pass through.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Is a buyer.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
But where when you buy enco products from kmart and
they fall to pieces or as is the case in
this particular story, in the world, the handle comes off
the mop and you end up stabbing yourself on the
thigh and having to take a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Week off work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
In k MAT's defense, they when she talked to them, they
told them that they had been unable to test the
mop that I took back to the shop as that
had been misplaced.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
She claimed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Instead, they told her that they had tested other mops
of the same type and had not found an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
So she thinks those mops are just ready to go
explodes off them and they stab you on the leg.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Yep, they're ready to take out any new Zealander that
DearS try to mop with them. O E one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. But
if you do buy a Kmart product, and we all
know that, you go to Kmart because the price is
right and sometimes it's gonna break, do you just accept
that or are you one of those people that say, nah,
I'm going to take it back to Kmart and get
a refund.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Gary, you work at kmart, what do you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Think about people?

Speaker 22 (01:25:01):
I work on the door, I scan the receipts. Oh yes, fantastic,
fantastic place to work, yep. Which unfortunately the public you
see a different story, different side of people in retail,
and I can tell you the public are her disgrace
if you have a like that lady in question you're

(01:25:23):
talking about. If you have a product, then it breaks.
As long as you've got your receipt or proof of purchase,
you can take it back and get your money back,
or exchange it for another product of the same value.
If you don't have your receipt, which sometimes customers throw
the receipts at me because they can't be bothered. Just

(01:25:45):
letting me scan the ticket takes about two seconds. Your
money back. Well, I could tell you some great stories,
but you don't get your money back. Like I've had
a couple of customers throw their receipts at me because
they can't be bothered just letting the machine scan the ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
So they just throw the receipts at you.

Speaker 22 (01:26:05):
Yeah, walk out the door and say I can't be
bothered with They think, yeah, well, as I just said
to you, mate, that's that's the mentality of the public.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
I was once walking out of Kmart, Gary and I
had a bunch of staff and I was on the phone.
I was in a complicated phone call and I went
to the door and I hadn't paid for something because
I was confused, and the receipt person was so so
good they didn't immediately rest me in an arm lock.
They said, oh no, you no, no, you haven't paid

(01:26:35):
for that, And they took me back and made me
pay for my energy drink.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
So I've got a very good I've had a very.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Good relationship with you people that tech checked. The receipts that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Came up.

Speaker 22 (01:26:48):
Ninety nine points percent of the red of the customers
are fantastic. It's the one percent that ruined it for
everyone else, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
What's the return policy? Like Gary, I know you're you're
not a spokesperson for the company, but I imagine there's not
too many questions asked. Have you come in and the
handles come off your mop. It's not like going to question, Hey,
a lot of us.

Speaker 22 (01:27:10):
You've got proof of purchase or you know, even on
your phone or when you pay payway, well pay on
your phone or your receipt. Like I'm on the door,
I won't say what store I work in. In New Zealand,
I always most of the time, I will say to
the customer, please keep your receipt, because if you do
not have your receipt, you can't get your money back. Obviously,

(01:27:31):
I'm not going to worry about a can of coke
or boil a drink or a bag of lollies. But
other customer's got a twenty or thirty dollars product. I say,
make sure you keep your receipt just in case there's
something wrong. Or they buy a bike. You know, bike's
a bike. You know you take the buyer home and
there's something wrong and you've chucked your receipt away. You know, well,

(01:27:55):
you're not going to get your money back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
So even if you bring back a product that is
only for sale at kmart, like it sounds like this
three and one moppers, If you bring that back so came.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Out, we have to know that we've got it from
and it's broken.

Speaker 22 (01:28:07):
Ye, as long as you've got your receipt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
So isn't it having the actual three and one mop
that's only for sale at kmart enough proof for purchase
that he got it from the shop.

Speaker 22 (01:28:20):
As long as they could prove it they bought it
at the shop, you get an exchange or you get
your money back.

Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
So it's a good mop though, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Gary?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
I don't know if you must be aware of the
three month mopping? All right, okay, go have a look
next time you're in store and you're not on the clock.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
It's a good mop, car, good chat, Thank you for
your call.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Have you ever taken anything back if you purchased from
the likes of came out and clearly you've shopped it
came up before, let's say the warehouse. You know the
price is right and you pay for the quality that
you get. Have you ever taken something back and saying hey,
this is broken, I haven't even used it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
And I want my money back. I haven't actually, no
me neither neither.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
I've never done that because I've accepted that if I'm
paying ten dollars for a toaster, I know that if
it breaks. That was just the role the dice. I
knew I was taking a gamble. It was either going
to be fantastic or it was going to be crapped.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I don't tame things back, but not for any sort
of moral reason or because I believe whatever you're saying there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
It's just because I'm lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah, So if something breaks, I throw it in the
rubbish and get another one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
You know, but I have been annoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
There's nothing that annoys you more is when you spend
the extra money on something and it's supposed to be
the really good one and then it's rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
That that is very, very annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Yeah, but even then I don't take it back. Someone
here says, hey, guys, this is covered by the consumer
Guarantee and must be fit for purpose. Thanks Grant. So
you've got this mop though that she's talking about the
three and what do you mean by three and one?
It's got a bucket, it's got a mop. What's that
third thing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Yeah, so one of those, the three and one is
in the bucket so well. Actually, the mop itself can
turn around three hundred and sixty degrees, so it's kind
of square shapes. It gets right into the corners that
you can't get into with a traditional mop. But then
you've got three compartments in the bucket. So one of
the compartments is for the fresh water, one is for
your cleaning fluid, and the other for the waste water
once you clean the mop. I mean, it's beautifully desire.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
That's brilliant and you stand by it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
Well, yes, so far with it twice. But let's see
what happens with the handle.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
This Texas is why do Camart have their self service
tills inside the store? Then you have to prove that
you've bought the product as you leave, So not only
do you have to do their job, you then have
to prove you've done it, move the tills and offer
service back.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I hate self service at anywhere, you know, I go
to Kmart. I don't have a problem with Kmart, but
I hate self service. It just feels dirty, It just
feels it just feels like your money is just being
removed from you. And I know a lot of companies
are moving away from self service because of theft, and
you know, you have to hire someone to check the receipts,

(01:30:57):
and there's there's a lot of software updates and there's
complexities around it. But also you quickly lose You don't
really have any what's the wood loyalty to a brand,
you haven't talked to anyone's there's no interaction.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
And it's the wild West at those km Art self
service checkouts is horrendous and nothing against Kmart. All the workers,
you guys are doing God's work there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
It's the public.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
Like Gary just said, I mean it's crazy town in Kmart.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
It does it feels dirty? Yeah, I feel dirty going through.
I don't know, not dirty is not the word. I
just feel there's no there's no experience.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
You yourself just go and pick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Something up off the floor, take it to the counter,
swipe it and then sort of slunk off with your
towel between your legs.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Do you know? What does my head?

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
And when I go shop at Kmart, is I you
know I might be looking for some towels or some
crockery or some kitchen implements, and people just if they
decide they don't want the product, they don't take it
back to where it needs to go. They just drop
it any old where if you come across there. So
if you actually want to try and find the product,

(01:32:01):
good luck, because all these all these muppets and kmart
who are doing their shopping just drop it all over there,
more stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
And you can't go you have anything in the size
out the back? Do you say that to to a machine? Hey,
this six says never allowed km maut or Buntings to
scan your receipts. Once you have paid for it, the
products are yours and you have no legal obligation to
prove it. It's their own problem to prove otherwise door
their self service only checkouts. That's a good point. Actually,
So if I've paid for something, right, yeah, then it's mine,

(01:32:31):
so don't ask me about it. You might as well
come up to me on the street and ask me
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
But don't you have to prove it with your receipt? No,
but it's mine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
So by that same logic, they could say prove that
those pants are yours, they're mine. They're my pants as
soon as I've paid for it, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Mine, So but how do they know that you're paid
for it? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
I mean, that's their problem. They've run a self service,
so that's their problem. That's why for the longest time
they had the checkouts at the door, because you paid
and you went out the door, so they knew. So
now if you've got self service, I'm walking to the door.
Someone asked me about it, and bless Gary that we
were talking to before, I think was Gary, wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Yeah, we were.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Talking before, and don't be rude. Anyone that's got their job.
It's not his problem. But you're asking me to prove
that what is mine is mine. You might as well
knock on the window of my car and ask me
if it's my car?

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Have you got a receipt for this vehicle?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Set?

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
But Bunnings is odd. What's their policy? Because sometimes they
scan it and sometimes I'm rocking there and I've got
my receipt ready to scan and they look the other way,
and it's real awkward. It's almost like going to shake
someone's hand and they remove their hand away. What's said
about Bunnings? Do you want to scan my receipt or not?
I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one either. I
always just get waved through.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
I just look honest, Here comes Matt Heath. We're not
going to challenge that man. Oh had one hundred eighty
ten eighty as a number to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Call eithugh like honest or psychopathic.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Nine two ninety two is the tix's number. Is some
great ticks coming through. We'll get to some of those
very shortly. Right now, it is twenty five past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
So I'm we're talking about kmart map for three and one.
You claim it's the greatest map of all time. You
spent thirty five dollars on it. A woman in christ
saying it tried to kill her.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
As you if some led up.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Well, So this is interesting because I said before you know,
someone message, you know, when you were in km mart
or Bunnings and they swipe your receipt. I'm saying, don't
ask me. I've already paid for that, so don't ask
me if it's mine. It's like, don't come up to
me and saying are your undies yours?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
You know, so you feel by scanning or asking to
see your receipt, they're implying that you're a thief.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Yeah, but as someone saying here ninet two nine two,
it's their property, so they can ask you anything at all.
I don't know if they can ask you anything at
all on their property. There's probably some rules they can
ask you. But we had a call in the break
who didn't want to go to air that said, the
reason why they scan you your receipt when you go
out is because so you've gone to the self service,
you bought, say the three and one mopep that tried
to kill this woman. You go out and then you

(01:35:00):
put that you could put that mop in the car
and then you come back with your receipt and go
hang on, I'm trying to week this out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Yeah, so they scan the receipt that you take your
mop to the car, but you put your receipt in
the pocket, go back and store, grab another mop, and
then try and walk out with that. But it's individualized
to each purchase, so if you try and do that,
they're going.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
To get you.

Speaker 7 (01:35:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Yeah, that's that's that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
So that makes sense. That's quite crafty of those things.
If I can say that, oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighties and number of corps.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
So that the product has gone out the door is
basically what they know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Yea, yeah, yeah, which is fair enough in that case,
isn't it this one? Texas says, get a guys, I
just lost it there, Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Oh sorry, Costco is silly.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
They sign your receipt as you leave, like they have
to check your trolley. Good luck to them if that's
how they treat their customers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting one anyway, Margaret, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 20 (01:35:57):
Thanks.

Speaker 23 (01:35:59):
I bought a total of tree Electric hands fevers from
So Sorry from the warehouse, thinking they'd last too, and
over a year all three of them broke. The beatles
actually broke, and I took and frustration the last one
back and I think the head through the surches. So

(01:36:20):
they said, oh, well, we can't pay you money, and
I think that you carry this product right, So I
writtenly got the box and it made exclusively for the warehouse.
Buy and look it's made exclusively for you.

Speaker 20 (01:36:33):
And so they had to.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
And so did they keep giving you replacement beats electric beats?

Speaker 23 (01:36:40):
No, No, because they're a cheap hufle of the heavy accounts,
you know, after we broke after three sprung apart from you. Actually,
I think this should be illegal.

Speaker 19 (01:36:54):
I think this should.

Speaker 23 (01:36:55):
Really be illegal, that people are making such.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
A scrubbish Yeah, but why did you buy three of
the Mahagaret?

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
I mean, how much beating are you doing at home?
I beat a lot, clearly, No, but I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
You bought one and broke it. I'll give them another go.
I'll give them another go. I'll throw that one out.
And you went back and you bought another one. Give
another game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
But the third one that was third time, wasn't the chance.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Thank you so much for you called Margaret. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
There's a great story, right, I think that until we've
got time for because we've got Gareth standing by. A
quick couple of texts to wrap this up, guys. I
had to laugh at that last Costco text message. I'm
people they have to join the Costco membership and it's
one of the biggest, most successful businesses around the world.

(01:37:48):
The staff love working there and people love shopping there.
I don't think they're going to be worried if one
person doesn't like the way they do stuff. They've got
a pretty good formula which is fair enough to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Yeah, I mean, mind you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
The first time I went to costcos in the States,
I thought, this is really really cheap. And then I
went up to the counter and I was about to buy.
I was so confused and they said, oh, you remember,
you know, and I was like, what, No, can I
just buy this?

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
And so it's a weird thing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
I've never been to costco. I know there's one up
here in Auckland. I'm yet to go there and we
might make a weekend trip out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
But people love it. There's costco heads. There's people that
just just they love it. Go in there and buy
their coffin to bury themselves in.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Yeah they love it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
And nine hundred pieces of toilet paper, yeah yeah, and
great hot dogs apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Good chats are coming up very shortly after the headlines.
Gareth Abdenoor. He is the founder and director of Abdenor Law,
an expert in employment law, and he'll be taking your
questions and calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you've got a problem in the workforce in your workplace. Rather,
he is the man to chat to and if you
want to change your name, you want to keep it

(01:38:48):
slightly anonymous, You're more than welcome to do that. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call and nine
two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Use the code name Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
It is twenty eight minutes. The three back very shortly.
Here on newstalksz'db headlines.

Speaker 15 (01:39:10):
With blue bubble taxis It's no trouble with a blue bubble.
The leader of the opposition believes launching probes into acc
Andenunced today will pave the path to privatization by manufacturing
a crisis. Police are upping reassurance patrols in Auckland's Birkenhead
after a violent stabbing last week and an aggravated robbery

(01:39:31):
for cash and transit van yesterday. The screen Producers geld
Spada says it hasn't reached a view on whether New
Zealand on Air and the Film Commission should merge one
of five proposals from the Ministry for Culture and Heritage.
Sea Lord Group says it supports proposed reform to fisheries,
saying it aligns with new technology. It includes allowing more

(01:39:54):
frequent changes to catch limits and banning public access to
boat surveillance footage. Wonka isn't getting Golden Arches after the
Queenstown Lakes District Council's declined McDonald's resource application. A six
thousand strong petition last year opposed the fast food artlet opening,
matching the mood in more than ninety percent of submissions

(01:40:16):
to counsel Inyos versus New Zealand Rugby and the shifting
sponsorship dollar. Read the full column that ends at Herald Premium.
I'm back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Thank you very much raiding dirty Wanaka residence. We're going
to have to bring that up tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Shutting down the Golden Archer.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I know, no macs and Wanica.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Oh well, right, so Gareth abden Or he is the
founder and director of Abdenor Law. He is an employment,
workplace and information expert and is a great friend of
the show. And it's a pleasure to welcome an in
for the first time in twenty twenty five. Gareth, good afternoon.

Speaker 21 (01:40:50):
Good afternoon. It's great to be here, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Well, great to chat. Has it been a busy start
to the year for you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
Gareth?

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
I understand there's quite a few changes happening in employment
law as the year progresses.

Speaker 21 (01:41:01):
Yeah, there's lots of changes, and I think with the
economy taking a bit of attention, people really want to
keep their jobs and there's a lot of restructuring going
on and lots of work, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Absolutely absolutely. Now you know the drill.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
If you've got a question for Gareth, O wait one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got any issues
in your workplace, he is the man to chat to.
And indeed, if you run the company or the boss
and you've got some issues with your workers, he's great
to chat too as well. Gareth, we've already got texts
coming through, so we'll kick into them pretty quickly.

Speaker 21 (01:41:36):
Yeah, sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Hey, a question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
My work was all remote then I joined my current firm.
When I join my current firm, they now want us
back in the office two of five days every week,
and to make up those office days even when we
take leave. I would like to request a change to
my working arrangements to the price status quo as per
Employment Relations Act two thousand, Parts six AA, flexible working.

(01:42:01):
And don't think they can point to any exemption as
per six nine AAF the guy knows legislation, Man, they
sanctioned me for asking for this variation eg. Refuse bonus payments, etc.
Thanks boys.

Speaker 21 (01:42:17):
There's so much in that one, isn't there? I guess
summarizing it, a lot of businesses went fully remote during COVID,
and now they've seen that that comes with a whole
lot of downsides, and there's a lot of pressure for
people to return to the office. You don't have to

(01:42:37):
be a genius to work out that. If everybody's working
from home, it's so much more difficult to train junior staff.
Mental people include people on meetings and discussions and often
say you learn a lot through osmosis listening and what
the person next to you is saying on the phone.
So there's a lot of pressure for people to go

(01:42:58):
back to the office. Very difficult to answer the coolest
questions because it is so fact dependent. Now, if you
got the job and it's heid that your work would
be remote, the employer would have to consult with you
and essentially do a restructure before they could force you

(01:43:18):
back to the office. You know, as I've seen for
years and years on the show, that you need to
be very careful in situations like this because yes, you
may have legal options open to you, but do you
want to be the nail that sticks up because you
might get smacked down?

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
You good analogy?

Speaker 21 (01:43:39):
Yeah, you know, if you're really difficult when times are tough,
you might be the first one out the door when
there's a restructure. So I think there's a fine line
to be walked here. Yes, definitely you can ask for
flexible working arrangements. Your employer has to consider that in
good faith, but they don't have to agree.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Okay, we're talking to employment law a Gareth abnan Or
from Admoral Law. John, you've got a question for Gareth.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
Yeah, hello, yeah, okay, now you're on with Gareth John.
What's your question.

Speaker 24 (01:44:17):
We've recently been taken over by another company. In it
the new company has taken us on the old old
terms and individual agreements.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Yep.

Speaker 24 (01:44:29):
This issue coming now is that based on a salary
for forty hours a week and any time anyhow overtime
work over and above it was taken off as pay
paid leave right. But now in our individual agreement it
says that there'll be no overtime paid over and above

(01:44:51):
forty hours.

Speaker 21 (01:44:52):
M Yeah, and that's not not an unusual situation.

Speaker 22 (01:44:57):
John.

Speaker 21 (01:44:59):
You may have an argument here that the arrangement with
your previous employer became part of your employment agreement. But
I think where there's a new employer, what's in the
contract is likely to be what's what they're going to
stick to, So you can give it a go. But

(01:45:20):
I wouldn't be I wouldn't be digging my heels in
too much on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Hopefully that outs.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
Thanks very much for your phone call, So just on there, Gareth. So,
if you're part of a company and it gets sold
to a new buyer, new owner, do your contracts still
remain in place or at that point do you start
with new contracts.

Speaker 21 (01:45:43):
Yeah, it really depends on whether it's a sheer purchase
or a purchase of the assets of the business. What
normally happens is there's a new employment agreement with the
name of the new employer, and often there slight changes
to the terms of employment, so there might be changes
to benefits, and often there changes to things like this

(01:46:04):
the hours of work. You know, as I said before,
times are tight, and I think if you're on a
salary that kind of comes with the arrangement that sometimes
you're going to have to work over your forty hours.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've got a question for Gareth and the
text number nine to nine two. Got to take a
quick break. It is eighteen to four. Bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor Afternoon with the
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Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Talks be good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
We're joined by Gareth abdenor Director of abdenor Employment Law,
taking your questions about any issues you're having at work
or if you run the company, any issues that you've
got with your employees. Plenty of texts coming through Gareth.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Yeah, so here goes one. We went out with the
new boss. He paid for the first two rounds.

Speaker 13 (01:47:05):
Is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Yes, he called it I get to know me post
work meeting that we had to attend. After two we
started paying for ourselves. Things took off, a glass got broken.
He comes back over from his mates and tells us
we all got to go home, saying because he paid
for the first beers. He is responsible for us.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
We told him to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
If off he's still angry, Can your boss kick you
out of a pub? Aren't we in charge of our
own lives after we're off site?

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
There seems a lot break next.

Speaker 21 (01:47:40):
Oh man, Well, I don't even know where to start
with this one. I guess the first thing is, yeah,
maybe don't tell your boss toforf that that's career limiting.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Good advice.

Speaker 21 (01:47:53):
I think that's the advice of the day. It's really
tricky these days, and I don't think it was a
great idea for the boss to take people out to
a pub if there weren't clear expectations in the beginning.
These days, employees aren't treated like adults often, and employers

(01:48:18):
aren't allowed to do the sort of things that they
used to be allowed to do, And so we see
a lot of Christmas parties being canceled parties, if you
can call it that, with no alcohol. So this situation
is a recipe for disaster. I think these employees should

(01:48:39):
be quite lucky that they're not facing disciplinary action, and
I think everybody should just chalk it up to a
bad idea and try and forget about it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
So if you're in a location so you've been out
with the boss though, and the party initially starts there,
and if the boss clearly goes it's over. Now those
few two bears and it sounds like he's over at
another table because he says he came over from his
other mates, so I'm not sure if he did this,
But he goes, that's over. That was the drink, that
was the get together we wanted to have. I'm not

(01:49:12):
paying for any more drinks. He goes over to another table.
His employees still his responsibility at that point, or has
he shut down the function even though they're both still
in the same establishment.

Speaker 21 (01:49:25):
Yeah, I think the risk is that there's a reasonably
high risk that if anything goes wrong, the venue will
blame it on the company, and the employees could claim
that it was still a work event. It started as
a work event. Alcohol was provided. You know, best practice

(01:49:46):
in a situation like this would be to say we're
going to go out, We're going to have a couple
of drinks, and then everybody leaves. Then if you go
to a different venue without your boss, I think everybody's
on much safer territory. But the fact that stayed in
the same pub.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Yeah, good around.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
Yeah, don't tell your boss to off from the number one.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
I like it says we told the boss.

Speaker 21 (01:50:14):
It sounds like there was an insurrection.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Siah. You've got a question for Gareth, right.

Speaker 14 (01:50:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:50:21):
I work in sales and quite any specialty, and I
believe I've got quite an intense restraint of trade in
my contract.

Speaker 19 (01:50:31):
So it sees that they can stop me.

Speaker 12 (01:50:33):
Worn't for a competitor for twelve months.

Speaker 20 (01:50:35):
How unenforceable is that in New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:50:37):
Yeah, that's a fantastic question, Sarah. There's this idea out
there that restraints aren't enforceable and that's not correct. And
then there are some pretty onerous restraints in employment agreements
that clearly go too far. So the test that the

(01:50:58):
court will look at is is it reasonable and is
it necessary to protect a legitimate interest that your employer has.
If you're in a niche role and you've got relationships
with suppliers, relationships with customers, and it would take a
long time for them to protect those and you could

(01:51:21):
take advantage of them, potentially that restraint could be enforceable,
But it really comes down to the particular circumstances of
each case. Twelve months is definitely at the upper end
of what would be considered reasonable. Generally three months is reasonable,
six months is starting to get up there, and twelve

(01:51:43):
months is at the extreme end. But there are cases
where twelve months has been found to be reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Hopefully, thanks Sarah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
Just on that twelve months, I mean, would there is
there sometimes a caveat or part of that deal that
they pay you out something so that at least you
can survive for that twelve months.

Speaker 21 (01:52:03):
And often those extended restraints only apply to peace on
relatively good incomes. As I say, twelve months is quite extreme,
and that can't prevent you from working full stop. It
will just prevent you from working in a way that

(01:52:25):
would be unfairly competing with your previous employer.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
What can the previous employer do?

Speaker 21 (01:52:31):
Though, they can file proceedings, they can seek an injunction,
so the court could actually issue an injunction preventing you
from from doing whatever it is that's in breach of
the restraint. You know, generally these things are resolved before
that point because once it goes to court, everybody loses
except the lawyers. Yeah, yeah, you know, with a restraint

(01:52:57):
like that. I think it's a very good idea to
get some legal advice so you know where you stand.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Yep, great stuff. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Have time for another couple
of very shortly it is nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Good Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
We're joined by Gareth Abdenor, who is the founder and
director of Abdenor Law. You can check him out Abdenorlaw
dot n Z's brilliant and he's taking your questions.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Josh, Good afternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:53:38):
Yeah, hey guys, hete Gareth. My question is I resigned
from a position late last year, and what I did
after I left I went to make contact with previous
managers that I worked under, and so from working with

(01:53:59):
them previously, I asked if it would be okay if
I use theok for future for a future reference will
work at that point? Yeah, that's that's fine. When I
actually resigned, I had a new area manager come in
and that was one of the reasons the way I thought,

(01:54:20):
I'm out of here, I'm just I'm going and this
particular person who only just gained that position, this person's
actually gone to these people who I used to work
for and it has asked them not to supply any references.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
That's a big one.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
And sorry, Josh, we're almost running out of time, but Gareth,
can they do that?

Speaker 21 (01:54:44):
Yeah, they most probably can. An employer is under no
legal obligation to provide you with a reference. They do
need to confirm that you work there, but they don't
have to provide you with a reference. And a lot
of businesses have a policy not to provide references and
only to provide certificates of service. So yep, potentially they could,

(01:55:07):
they could do this.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
Yeah, very good, Gareth, great to catch up again. Thank
you very much as always, and there's plenty of ticks
and phone calls to get to next time you're on,
so we'll catch you in a month's time.

Speaker 21 (01:55:17):
Fantastic, Thanks guys, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
That is Gareth abden Or, founder and director of abden
Or Law. You can check them out Abdenorlaw dot end
z And that is us for today.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah, give them a taste kew till tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
Oh, actually we're going to carry on right too, because
we thought he had some music lined up Andrew. But
that's all right, So on the show tomorrow Thursday. I'm
looking to hear to Friday of course as well topical tunes.
I think it's one apiece at the stage. Yeah, so
that is going to be on Friday after three thirty.
Couple of ticks to rap it all up. Oh yes,
and a great interview with John o'pryor tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Johnny Prior joins us to discuss this new show Vince
starting on TV three tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (01:55:56):
Fantastic, that will be very popular and he's a great guy. Well,
thank you very much again for today. We'll do it
all again tomorrow and as you see before, Matt

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
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