Full Show Podcast: 14 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
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Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
News Talk Sedby.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
A very good afternoon to you. Great to have your
company Matt and Tyler with you until four pm.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Week two of the Matt and Afternoons on zeb B.
We made it through. We haven't been cut yet.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Not yet, teller, No, No, it is only week two though,
so let's see.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's been some rollings from the Breakfast show. But I
think we're holding onto our job so far.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
We know where the good Dyson is now, so that's good.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
We're doing better than I thought we were.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Absolutely, we'd be gone day two.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
You had a nuanced weekend, Matt. Yeah, I'd say I
had a win and a loss than a win. There's
a thing in my life where I can turn a
win into a loss. And my beloved Dodgers, I'm a
huge baseball fan, and they beat the Dirty Padres and
me and my friend Cass we were watching the game
and then then we had to celebrate, and over celebrated
and then woke up not filling one hundred percent as

(01:11):
you do on the Sunday morning. But then then I
created a win with an I fill it that I
cooked on the barbecue absolutely perfectly.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well sort of barbecue have you got we're talking webber.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, we're talking webber.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, yep, charcoal, no mate, ye.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Gas gas powered. But you know, I, you know, I
was nervous because you got to get it right. It
was eighty eight bucks. It was an eighty eight dollars
hunk of meat, So you got to get it right.
And I've got it wrong before. And that's a disaster
when you're seeing that and that a huge investment like
that become well done. It was near the middle, to

(01:50):
be honest, some of the sort of wimpim members of
my family were pulling out and asking for bits. At
the end, it might have got a little bit tending
towards rare in the middle.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
If more than seventy percent is spot on, then you've
got to go a hole into that other thirty percent
that maybe a little bit more bloody. To know what
you're a quiet you know what you're used to.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
But your full disclosure for the kids sandwiches, I did
put it back on the barbecue again, because well they
weren't going to put it in the sandwiches. As as
bloody as it was in the middle.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
That hurts. Did you do that in secret though? Just
when never undergone to Beard? You went back out and
it sparked up the barbecue.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I did. Actually I snuck out and then just cooked
it up again and so I could claim the victory.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, very good. Right on to the show today after
three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, the telltale signs that you're low rent according to
an etiquette expert. I mean, how much respect have you
got for an etiquette expert. But one of the these
are some of the things that they say are low rent.
So'll be interested to know if you're low rent. Mounted
TVs are apparently now a low rent.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
And you're you're mess with on mounted TV TV.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I hated TV cabinet, but.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
You've got one. You're you've gone the next step that
it's almost flush with the wall.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right, I've got a plumbed sam Sung frame.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, you got one of those TVs, joy.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
And then it's a beautiful piece of artwork in the
I actually had a free one of my son's friends
around was, and I had a mon a up on
the frame because you can pick the art that's in
there that's low rent. And one of my son's friends said, oh,
this is brilliant because if anyone broke into the house,
they just think it was a horrible painting and then
they wouldn't want to steal it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, get this, Anything bigger than a forty six inch
television is suspect.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Anything less than a forty six inch challenging television is
cowardly if you.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I didn't even know you could buy less than forty
six inch these days, right, So.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Using a knife like a pen and drinking G and
T's and now low ents so are you low rent?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And Sparpool's as well?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
And do you care that hurts?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
That's the chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock, things
are kicking off and live in when it comes to
booms and New Zealanders love boom chat. I mean they
get fired up about boom chat. But why it's kicking
off and live in is the hotter. Fenawa Rather District
Council has stopped urban boom mowing in July is a
way to save costs. They expect to save over two
hundred thousand dollars. But many locals are irate and say

(04:13):
they're not going to over their boom. So they're not
going to do it.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, because it's cutting costs, but I'm sure it's not
lowering rates. You're not getting a discount, and you're having
to mow your own berm. Been mowing berms and auckland
for a very long time, you have I have been, Yes,
well not me personally, but if you're mowing, if you
are mowing your own berm, then you own that berm

(04:35):
in my bin.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
It now becomes your land.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It comes your land. You can get what you want
with it.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
And what have you done with your boom?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I've plunted an illegal tree on my boom.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
How big is that tree now? It's it's huge, it
is massive. So they can't cut that down now. No,
I've got them.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
But I wasn't reckless. I checked. I checked where all
the all the piping and everything went, and I checked
the view when you come out. And I did get
a letter from the counter saying they're going to cut
it down, and then and then they haven't.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
So you ran it through legal.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, you're saying if you're gonna if you're gonna look
after my berm, then then you decide what's on it.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's going to be a good chat after talk. But
right now, a new Coying or Order complex has opened
in Auckland at a cost of one point two million
per apartment. Is one of New Zealand's leading developers calls
the state run agencies record of running up billions in
debt a national scandal and embarrassment. So the government says
it now expects the agency to achieve what they are

(05:27):
calling better value for money on future builds, while the
opposition accuses the government of ignoring its success in building
fourteen thousand homes in six years. The agency yesterday allowed
the public to view the newly built meadow Bank complex,
saying it's spent eleven million dollars on the three three
bedroom and six two bedroom apartments. That equates to one

(05:48):
point two million per apartments big money and rises to
one point seven million if the about four million value
of the land already owned by Coying of Order is
added to Mark Todd talked about this developer. He's the
co founder and developer of developer Ockham Residential. He believed
the project's cos per Apartment highlighted the agencies in competence

(06:11):
and lack of expertise, and called reports that raked up
twelve billion in debt and five years a national scandal.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
He should stick to his lane with the horse riding
and the charisma.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Well.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
He went on to say that Kying or Order could
likely come under more scrutiny for building poor quality homes,
and so had at sometimes often heard on the side
of higher quality builds, paying for more reputable builders and
guarantees of quality. But when it comes to social housing
and how it's built, what's your take on this? Do

(06:44):
we need to just go hell for leather and prefab
social housing and get it up as fast as possible,
as cheap as possible, or do we need to build
maybe not quite to the level that they've done here,
but good quality social housing that's going to last the distance.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, they need to be good. I'd say, you want
to be building good quality, but they can't be costing
one point two million. But I think as a nation
we're pretty proud of the quality of those classic three
bedroom brack ort that you know, the weatherboard tile roof numbers,
beautiful buildings with the great gum gum boot Alcove. I
was looking at the first year over government built houses.

(07:21):
There's one that I was looking at from nineteen oh
five and Potoni that looks like a newly renovated three
point five million dollar Ponzimby house.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That is a beautiful home.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, granted, so I think we're proud of those.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Do you know how much that cost to build at
the time, I don't know. In nineteen oh five it
was the first one. They went all out on the
first one because this is the start of this.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Beautiful new social and ninety dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
But that's the question we've got for you over the
next sort of fifteen minutes or so. What do we
actually want out of our social housing? Do we want
fit for purpose, good apartments and homes or do we
just want to have pre fab as fast as you can,
as cheap as you can get them up.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
House as many people as we want, or do you
want none at all? There might be someone out there
with the extreme view that we want no social housing
at all.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's a big one. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number of call. You can also teach through
nine to nine to two. It is a quarter past
one back fore shortly the.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (08:26):
News Talks there B you're listening to Matt and Tyler
when we are talking about social housing on the back
of a concern from a developer at how much it's
cost king order to build several new apartments in meadow
Bank and average cost of one point two million dollars.
So what do we want out of our social housing?
You want them cheap, fast and dirty or what some argue,

(08:47):
wildly overvalued? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. John. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Good?

Speaker 7 (08:53):
Bank?

Speaker 8 (08:53):
Good?

Speaker 9 (08:53):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Good? What's your take on this one?

Speaker 10 (08:57):
So I'm based in thek and we've got three different types.
We got cheap and nasty ki angle and then private
developers who build them and sell them to ky Agora,
the one in the middle swamp. The private developers building
them and selling them seems to be the best way.
The coy Angora houses. For some reason, they get engineers

(09:20):
from all over the country that fly up then you
get quantity surveyors that fly up from christ Church to
test the soil. And it's just I saw one day
two people from Wellington and flowing up to the job
site in Hamilton to test the soil. When engineers and
Hamilton do that for three hundred buck, that's.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Off in the argument, doesn't it. John That when it
is tankspayer money is the case with Coying Order, then
running that through the budget sheet and making sure it's
value for money can be argued as not much of
a consideration as a private developer. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, And then the private developers they have to
build to a certain spec, but they get all their
own Subby's and their own engineers. They do the whole
job to what Coyeing Aura wants. But then they had
the the place over at the end done to the aspect.

Speaker 11 (10:11):
A lot cheaper.

Speaker 10 (10:13):
And then we've got on the flip side there's houses
well pods being imported from China and built up as
the cheap and nasty, which is just dumbfounding to me
because our tax fan money is going to over to
China and not to our building, our builders and our
sobs and everyone, you know, were.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
The ones that we're flying people up to look up
for around the country. Are these prototypes? Are these models
are going to be repeated and they're getting the original
right or is that happening across every.

Speaker 10 (10:44):
Build from what I've seen. If it's if it's a
build that's been built by Coglehora, then you could get
people flying from all over the place. They'll use they'll
use their own, their own people instead of locals. It's
our project managing the whole job that is, yeah. Yeah,

(11:06):
And they get local building companies sort of it to
complete the works, but they oversee and project manage the
whole project and that's where the balloon of money goes.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Are you talking about Yeah? Yeah, I mean this is
almost privatizing our social housing John.

Speaker 10 (11:23):
Ye know, we're doing it at the moment. There's developers
in Hamilton that that firehouse followed over and they'll put
four or five units on it to aspect you know,
it's going to have certain doors, door handles, tap where
all that stuff's going to be to a certain point,
no garages, things like that, and then that's sold as

(11:43):
a contract build to the government and it's a hell
of a lot cheaper than buying it, or are trying
to build it themselves.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
As location an issue, what's your view on where you
put these houses? You put them are together in one spot,
or you put them in prime location locations.

Speaker 10 (12:02):
We seem to have a sort of a mass of both.
We've got them in nice areas, which to some people
is probably not the right thing. But I think putting
them all in one area you'll end up with a
similar thing to emergency housing. And then Wilton, the whole
whole hotel scene just seems to the emergency housing, and
then that just becomes a bit of a squalor, I guess.

(12:24):
But yeah, spreading them out. Spreading them out means that
then the jobs and the schools and everything's all spread out,
and hopefully there's more opportunities for people to move into
the communities on their own.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah. Interesting point. I mean on the question of for you, Matt,
question of privatizing our social housing, taking it out of
the hands of kind or order. And as John mentioned,
there's a bit of a hybrid model going on where
you do have community organizations that pick up some of
the social housing stock and then run it themselves. And
these are not for profit organizations. Is there any merit

(13:00):
to having some of that stock privatized and getting developers
in there who may be able to do a better job.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Well, as long as it's the built to a standard,
as long as you've got good houses for the best
possible money, obviously the best price, best houses, best price. Yeah,
I mean if if there's governmental inefficiencies that they're causing
their problems, then then sure see how else can do
it and get the better price.

Speaker 12 (13:23):
Going.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. What do we want from our social housing?
Is one point two million dollars on average for an
apartment in meadow Bank. Too much love to hear from you.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It's twenty
two past one.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (13:42):
More foreign investments into this country, particularly for infrastructure. It's
a policy in New Zealand. First we'll take to the
next election. Apparently Leader Winston Peters is with us.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
They they want the question answered why would we come
to New Zealand and we have over a long period
of times failed to answer that question. Why would I
pick the Zune over another country and we fail to
answer that question for deg it up the decade, it's
because Bree's disappointing. We need to answer that question.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, what is the answer.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
Well, you're going to say, if you come to this country,
then you're going to get an advantas do as will
match the best in the world. Your taxation will be
substantially lower than it would have been in another country,
and therefore this will be in wist countries to invest
in Ireland, Singapore Dinner Taiwan?

Speaker 13 (14:17):
Did it back tomorrow at six am The Mike Hosking
Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB Good afternoons.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Here we aren't talking about A new Kying auto complex
has opened in Auckland at a cost of one point
two million per apartment. It's caused one of New Zealand's
leading developers to call the state run agencies record of
running up billions in debt a national scandal and embarrassment.
So what do we actually want from our social housing?
Do we want cheap and fast or do we want

(14:45):
apartments that and houses for that matter, that are going
to last the distance? So Ight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Matt Heath. You've got a couple of points
you want to make.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Oh, I was just saying that, you know, I'll be
interested to know. Do social houses how close do they
get to paying themselves off across their lifetime?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Good question.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
As of thirty one January twenty two one, on the
average weekly market rent for one of these properties to
bedroom five hundred and thirteen, well three bedrooms on average
six hundred and.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Twenty one sounds pretty cheap to me.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's definitely cheap. Yeah, but over its lifetime do you
get there?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
They do make a loss, no doubt about it. And
I believe, and I've just got to find the numbers,
but I believe the loss that they made in the
last financial year was two point five billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah right, but that's also on top of the building
of the houses. Yeah, that one and Patoni I was
talking about from nineteen oh five, the first ever workingmen's
cottage that was built. I've mentionined that one's made a
profit by now is this.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
To a social house?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I doubt it. Someone would have made a lot of
money off the government buying that at some point and
selling it on.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I bet they have. Malcolm, how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 9 (15:52):
Hello, how are you going?

Speaker 10 (15:53):
Gos Hey?

Speaker 9 (15:55):
My take on it really is the government building a
lot of houses. I would be going into a contract
where the government or whatever business is, it could happen
to anyone. You would only pay for materials, you'd only
pay cost. How much? How much markup are these guys
putting on these builds for the government? You know, because

(16:16):
if I've built a couple of places and I've just
paid labor only, so why shouldn't they do the same.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I would have thought they'd get a better deal, you know,
because it's economies of scale, isn't it. And when you're
a government buying these materials in such large amounts, I
would have thought they'd get a far better deal than
a private developer.

Speaker 9 (16:35):
But yeah, that they would. But are they You know
when they say this house costs a one point two million,
how much have they paid for the materials? Well, how
much they paid for the sheet plaster board?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well that cuates to one point two million per apartment,
but it arises to one point seven million if the
four million value of the land is added on. But
of course they already owned the land, so arguably the
price of each of these ones is actually one point
seven million in real terms if they were going to
build it on land they had to buy.

Speaker 9 (17:05):
Yeah, Malcolm, you can build a good three bedroom home
for about three hundred thousand worth of materials. So why
where does this one point two million come from?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, well, a big chunk of that is in the
land value. Right We all know that anyone who's had
to build a property recently would know the vast chunk
of the value comes in the land.

Speaker 12 (17:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, in this one Tyler, one point two million per apartment,
is that is the cost of actual building per apartment?

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Because Yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 9 (17:36):
That's the worrying thing.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Because the land value is not counted on that because
they already owned the land.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (17:41):
Well, you know, even if you did fifty to fifty
labor and materials, so it kind of rand bys you
a lot of materials.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And if you're ensuring your house for one point two million,
would be a hell of a house that you're enjoying
for the rebuilt. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to read.
I wouldn't be able to sure my house for one
point two million for a rebuilt Yeah.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
Yeah, I think that you know, someone's being taken for
a bit.

Speaker 14 (17:59):
Of a riety.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
But what do you do, Malcolm, Because Bill English has
already led a review into the agency's debts. So if
what you say say is true, and it appears to
be that they are widely overspending on materials and certainly
over spending to build these apartments, what do we do here?
Do we set up another organization to overview how much
they're spending on these things?

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Yeah, well, this is the thing I've heard you guys
say before. But someone going from Willington up to Auckland
or something to check the soil conditions, that's obviously with
a kilous. You know, I wouldn't do that for my
own property, but I think someone you know, at the
end of the day, all you've got to do is
get a apartment or a house, get it priced up

(18:41):
through placemakers or whoever, and find out what those materials cost.
Because that they do it. I've had it done. I've
built places before, and that they give you a schedule
of materials costing and I think a lot of people
be surprised at how little it costs.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, it's a good question. Developers, trade ees, chippies, please
give us a call. How could it possibly cost one
point two million dollars in terms of building and material
Love to hear from you, Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eight, got to take a break. Headlines are coming up.
It's one point thirty.

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Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Thank you very much. Raylan, and we are talking about
a new kaying or auto complex that opened in Auckland
at a cost of one point two million per apartments.
It's upset one developer in particular, who he says it
should be a national embarrassment that it's costing that much
to build social housing.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, like all New Zealanders, when I look at a property,
ears sniff around the kitchen to see what it looks like.
And I've got to say, if I'd spent one point
two million dollars an apartment, I'd want to flash a
kitchen than the one they've put in there. It's got
a sort of basic stainless steel bench top and oven
and it's like an oven that I didn't even know
you could get any more of these ovens. It looks
like in nineteen fifties. It does coil oven that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I plucked out of a nineteen fifty social house.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's brown new, it's brand new. It's a brand new oven.
I can see that. But I haven't seen an oven
like that for a very long time. And I wonder
if that's for appearances people like me, small minded people
like me going, it'd better not be fleasured in my kitchen.
That's exactly a flatter other than not be a snag.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
That's exactly what they've gone for. Chris, how are you?

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Oh good?

Speaker 15 (21:35):
I'm just hearing all the same drama about all these
builders and dreamers that tend to you know, I think
that they can chokes the government one point two million? Well,
how do you gasify it? That's for the first thing.
But I just wanted to say this. I thought the
government tenders for the lowest price for when they go

(21:58):
and tender out for builders or developers to build housers,
get it balloons out to one point two million? How
do you justify the cost? And that when whether or
not a tender process was ever done at all? And
then so the answer the question is, I think the
builders and developers know that they can get the money

(22:21):
up the government. The government won't question it, and it's
just robbery to the taxpayers.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Do they always go for the lowest tender though, Chris,
I know that they've got the tender process, but I
don't think automatically they always go for the lowest cost option.

Speaker 15 (22:38):
Well, yeah, well that's what I thought. And you know,
it's not about where they build. Maybe the view probably,
but I would say they're slightly if you're building a
house down the road for less than the price in
the same area and get builded up the other side
of meta think this for example, and it's costing one

(23:01):
point two million, while they must have go and brass
furniture or you know, are we putting remove what are
now falls?

Speaker 14 (23:12):
Again?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, looking at the kitchen, it doesn't lock that flash me,
it looks very functional, very functional. The price tags includes engineer,
architects and cancel fees as well as infrastructure and construction
costs among other expenses. So I mean with the architectural fees,
are they just going to copy and paste the buildings
and a lot of different places, and do they save

(23:35):
money on those architectural fees going forward?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, because was this one of the apartments that were
just off the plans? I take it not. Maybe they
had to get an architect and for this particular complex.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, we can definitely recognize the classic state house that
we always think of in the state House because they
repeated the plans in so many different places across the country.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, Chris, thank you very much. Some good questions. John,
you work in construction.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well, yeah, I'm yeah, I work in the industry. I'm
not a builder, but I do. I do tender my
product or my service for some of these going or refelled.
So the plans are very prescriptive as to what they require.
So in terms of people thinking that you just put
anything you like in there intended for it and get

(24:18):
more money out of it, I don't think that's actually
the case. My guess would be that the costs are
I'm not saying that there wouldn't be a developer out
there that premitive it if they could, But my guess
is the costs are not coming from the builders that
the extra money is going through. You know, you had
to go on before talking about people flying from Wellington

(24:38):
to test soil. Well, it sounds like classic government behavior.
My guess is you had a bit of that, I
would say, there's architects fees in there, and don't I
don't know if any of you have had anything to
do with an architect But men, those guys are not
shy of charging.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yep, they love invoicing.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
They do love invoicing, and they charge skyhime for stuff.
And also, if you're a counsel and you're charging the government,
you're a monopoly. Though you wouldn't have to worry about
someone else under telling you.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
The council gets some revenge on central government. How how
copy and paste are architectural designs? If they've got these ones,
this controversial one point ten million ones are they are
they going to be able to just put those same
buildings in different places? And how much money does that cost?
Or is it the lae of the land that that
that that's the cost in terms of building the same

(25:30):
house over and over again.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Look, I'm not sure the plans I see are different
each time to some extent or other. I do think
there's a big case for more cookie cutter stuff to happen. Yeah,
I mean you want it to be you know, you
want it to be warm and dry and safe, and
very much robust. But I think, you know, there's a

(25:55):
lot that could be done there on costs of design
and you know, and the too much about what I do,
but the product that I supply, because of the way
they want these houses to all be insulated and everything,
the product I suppliers probably overspect for what it needs
to be because they want it insulated.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
So do you care John, what the houses look like?

Speaker 16 (26:19):
Is?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Do they have to be esthetically pleasing if they're going
to be put in neighborhoods and people are going to
be driving past looking at them, Is that a consideration
do you think?

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I'm sure it is, And they are you know, they're
nice looking place. Yeah, they're nice looking places when they're
belt And again I think you know, you don't want
an eyesore, you don't want a carbone call on the corner.
But you don't have to have you don't have to
have them architecturally designed all the time. They can be.

(26:50):
You know, you could come up with an a esthetically
pleasing design if you like, and then just repeat it
again and again. Was the only difference being the ground
that's going on us?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
That would make sense, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, what I well, I can kind of get my
head around it. But when this developer, in particular, he
raises the concern that he can build nice for purpose
homes at a fraction of the cost that Claying or
Order are building them for. That's a fair point, isn't it, John,
That there are developers out there and some go a
bit cheaper than others. But certainly if you can do

(27:22):
it in the private sector, you should be able to
do it in the government sector.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Absolutely. That's kind of my first point is I don't
think the cost is necessarily with the builders. I think
if you were to actually see a breakdown of how
how we got to one point seven million or whatever
for a three bedroom apartment, you might find that a
fair chunk of it was in back end stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yep, good cool, John, Thank you very much. Got to
take a quick break each you want to mention something.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Man, No, I don't actually Okay, you're.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Going to have a thing about that point. We're going
to come back to it. It is twenty nine, No.
Nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight mat
eaven Adams Afternoon News Talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Good afternoon to you now. Matt, you were talking about
the kitchen in these one point two million dollar apartments,
and for you, not quite up to scratch, you're paying
one point two mil. You'd want a better kitchen than that.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh well for me, yeah, I mean if I had
paid that myself and then I would be looking at that.
But I was questioning whether these ovens even exist that
are in there. It looked like something from a nineteen
fifties at State House, and I thought, are they just
putting it in there for the photos that, you know,
for optics that they don't want to have someone with
a three thousand dollars Smeg nothing European in there. You've

(28:43):
priced it up though, I'm pretty sure, and this is
just the its, so I could be wrong. At the
oven that's in this this one point two million dollar
young at all our house, the seven hundred and eighty
one I think it is. I think it's a Westinghouse
sixteen centimeter mercury free standing oven, and I've found it
on trade me for seven hundred and eighty one dollars.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's good value.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
That's new though, that's not that's not second second hand,
so you still you can still get them. But I mean,
I've seen these ones up to hang in a minute, yeah,
and I've seen these ones up to two thousand dollars
for similar looking oven. I just didn't know anyone was
running ovens like that anymore, you know, with the coil and.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, you don't see them unless you're staying in quite
a dated motel and then you see one of those
bad boys. How much do you pay for your oven?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Recent one? Yeah, that's a that's a very personal question.
Nine ninety nine dollars? What brand there was a gas oven? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:32):
What what brand?

Speaker 11 (29:33):
That was?

Speaker 12 (29:34):
A Smag?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I've got a SMG kettle not quite as nice as
an oven, but they look good.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
It was an amusing name, Smig. But they make great products.
And look, I think I think as a country, when
we're when we're knickling and diming on the one point
two million dollar house, we're glad that they're not putting
Smeag appliances in.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
There Westing House all the way, Trevor, what do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (29:54):
Hey, guys, Yeah, that sounds a hell of a lot
of money. But you know, I was I was told
something many many years ago, and I think it's true,
and I still believe it. You know when it comes
to private and or government. Yeah, you give a politician
a die, I'll turn it into fifty cents. You give
a businessman a dollar and he'll turn it into a
dollar fifty And to me and to me, that's the

(30:16):
big difference when you're compared it to I mean, I
remember when kvy board come out. You know, so twife
he said we've got two billion dollars to invest in housing, right,
two billion dollars, And I couldn't help thinking then if
they went to reputable companies like JJ Gardner, I don't know,
the lectures might be one and say, look, we've got
a countee here of two point two billion dollars, what

(30:39):
can you give us. I've got no doubt the end
result would be better that we got out of it.
And you know, and you know, there would have been
a few things that didn't go right, but in the end,
it's all about value for money. And as I say,
I just think obviously, if the government can get as
technically as much money as they want, I mean, twife
had said he's got two billion dollars. So I mean,

(31:02):
if you had a thought about it and gave it
to people already know all the ins and outs of
building and stuff like that, you would have got a
much much better result. And as I say, I just
always work by the theory. You business people will turn your money.
They make money. They they had to make money. They
know how to get value for money. And then everything
I wanted to say is you know all these you

(31:22):
know all these rules and rents things that you know,
social shocks you should have, or subsidized house you should
have or where it should be. I just want to
remind all those people there's a lot of private people.
One of them certain areas of say Wellington, they can't
you know, they want everything in their house, but they can't.
So you know, I just think, you know, subsidized housing

(31:43):
or housing is provided by others. I just don't think
it's your right to have it, because there's a lot
of people out there doing it all themselves and they
just wish they had certain things, but they say, no,
we can't have it. You know, I'm not living onundr evaid,
but I can't. You know, I want to have a
smeg of them, but I can't.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And hope the point forver just on the first point
you made, it's about teaming up with the likes of GJ.
To me, that's not a silly idea that you look at.
It doesn't have to be GJ, Mike greerstone Wood, whoever.
You want, private guys who, private developers, who know what
they're doing, and they can build thousands, tens of thousands

(32:24):
of home and they've got the background to prove it.
Teeming up with kyng order and saying we need a
bit of a hand on doing this right doesn't sound
like a silly idea to me.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Mmm, although I'm still down the rabbit hole of these ovens.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Oh you got to upgrade the smeig or radiate.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm
very happy with my smeg are very very happy indeed.
And actually I want to walk that back. When I
said it was two thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine,
I got the shop floor one and the store was
closing down, so I got a little bit cheaper than that.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
You've got a good discom I'm a clever buyer. Yeah,
you're in touch with the common man.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I could be wrong, I think when I went and
said it was the seven hundred and forty eight dollar Westinghouse,
I'm actually seeing one here that's one nine hundred and
ninety nine, which looks very similar.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
So I opened it around just comm a wee look
and sorry, this is radio fick. Oh yeah, that's a
nice oven though it's the.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Same one, isn't It could easily? You can't tell. I
don't know why that Westinghouse fifty four centimeter electric free
standing ovens is one thousand, nine hundred ninety nine and
the other one seven hundred and forty eight.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
There's a lot of oven chat going on, and there's
one point two million dollar apartment. That's only what one
percent of the bold is.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Saying, is that New Zealanders we care about when we
go to look around a property. The first thing we
do when you're when you're looking, you know, look to
buy a new property, where do you go? Kitchen in
the bathroom? Yeah, that's what you do. And when I
was looking at the pictures of this house, I went
straight to the kitchen and I thought, what kind of
oven is that? And I think it might be anywhere
between two thousand and seven hundred and forty eight dollars

(33:44):
somewhere in that range.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
If you know exactly what type of oven are in
the kying hord homes.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Someone helped me out here.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
That save Matt a lot of investigative work here, Mike,
how are you there?

Speaker 11 (33:55):
You get me two things. One, some of the homes
that some people move into are going to be need
to be bulletproof.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, was they don't.

Speaker 11 (34:08):
Look after the houses and they's the three have been
pretty brutal with the housing they get. And I wouldn't
worry about a stove of quite a few of them
don't even at a cook so wearing a bit of
stoves for them.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
So you're saying that they need to build houses that
are basically unbreakable so you're not constantly having to fix
them up.

Speaker 11 (34:36):
Dog heals that are unbreakable, Yeah, made out of very heavy,
juicy materials that are very hard to kick a hole in.
That's I've seen them.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
I know.

Speaker 11 (34:48):
Yeah, there's places like that. But the other thing is
that when the houses are being pulled down, all of
the houses that have been targeted or full down are
houses that have thought contaminates in them. So they've got

(35:10):
a specius on the walls and ceilings and all that
has to be removed for they cost for money, and
a lot of situations when they when people do an
oral change on their car, they just take it out
of the back and just drop the oil on the ground,

(35:32):
and sometimes that oil seeps into the ground and you've
got to clean up. Some of those cleanups can cost
hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (35:41):
Yeah, you might have contaminants in the ground that they
have leaped through and over built in the sixties fifty.
They tend to be yeah, hard to remove.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
And it's a very fair point, Mike, And you're quite right,
and we all know it. But part of the logic,
whether it pans out or not, I'm building nice modern fits.
The purpose homes was the hope that if you are
a tenant, a social housing ten and that you might
look after it a bit better. But it's a fair
point you make that they try and make them as
bulletproof as possible. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

(36:15):
is a number to call. It is eight minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Matt eat Taylor Adams teaking your calls on eight hundred
eighty mad Eath and Taylor Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
News TALKSB. Someone who's been listening to this discussion, as
Cameron Luxton. He is an MP for the ACT Party.
Get a Cameron.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Yeah, good then is that you Tyler?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah it is now we've only got a couple of minutes. Cameron, Yeah,
nice to chat now. I know you were quoted in
this particular article you think it is a massive waste
of money.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
I think it's a huge waste of money. It's quite
disappointing that, you know, we've got a public housing provider
here who's taking an exorbitant amount of money to build anything,
and you just think about the four people that are
living in low cost rentals or even high cost rentals,
paying their taxes, going to work, and then they hear
about one point two million dollars being spent on the

(37:10):
construction for I've actually, let's face it, you know, as
you guys have been talking about a bit of a
hardcore budget stainless steel bench apartment and really I think,
I mean for that sort of money, you'd be expecting
six star and I'm sure that's what Calling Order is
trying to develop. But actually the people that are out
there paying the taxes and having their money spent on

(37:31):
these types of developments want to be seeing a lot
better return from their money. And that goes to the
back office where you've got architects, engineers, planners. I'm sure
every type of consultant under the sun having a say,
and that's what's blowing out the price. And I've got
to say I appreciate some of the callers that you've
had calling in. I'm a builder myself. I'm an LBP.

(37:52):
I've been building since I left school, really, and you
know builders get a hard time. But actually it's a
lot of these costs are back office costs that are
inflating the price.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, you've said that very well, cameraon, but just you
want to put something to bed because Matt is hot
on this word. Do you know what type of oven
is in these climbing or order homes?

Speaker 8 (38:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (38:12):
Yeah, I had to look at it. I assumed it
was a good old faithful Fisher.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And pikel But yeah, I was having for that. Who
knows what kim a taste a kiwi but it's not
like a I've seen in a long time. But but
it could be anywhere between two thousand and seven hundred
and forty eight dollars. But it looks it does look
like a very basic kitchen. As you say, stand steel bench,
basic old fashioned oven and if I'd paid one point

(38:37):
two million, I'd want to flash a kitchen the net. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Well, good on you, Matte.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
And you know what, actually I kind of like the
old stainless steel benches because when you demo a house,
you pull them out sell them for fifty bucks for
a bit of a fillting beach for someone's backyard.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Exactly. Thank you very much. Good to chat, good discussion,
new sport and weather on its way.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
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Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yes, good afternoon. I hope you're having a great Monday.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Who week two of the Matt and Tyler Afternoons on
News Talk ZB having a great time?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, so far, so good. That was a great hour
last hour. Really enjoyed that chat. Now, just before we
get into the next topic, man, yes.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
So this text come through on two. Gooday their team
short time zed be a long time. Bespokey Doki and
Bespokey Dokey was the name of the podcast that I
was on before this down at Hodaki. Can you guys
please set up a podcast of the radio show. Really
enjoying it, but love to listen to Leslie. Some people
call me Leslie. My real name is Matt. When I'm
walking my dog Twitch. Speaking of which, could you do

(39:45):
a shout out to Twitch the dog? Oh Twitch? What
a good boy? Oh Twitch? Actually nine per cent of
my broadcasting before I game up year was pet shout outs,
and I'm still open to them.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
You're really good at that. That's a great pot.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Twitch is such a good What a good doggie? What
a good good, good doggie? Well answer that question as yes.
Today is the first day of the Matt and Tyler
Afternoons podcast. This is all going to go out there
wherever you get your podcasts, Heart Radio, wherever you get them.
We will have that pod coming out. It'll be the
show plus a sort of a bespoke intro to it.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Bit of yeah, it's give you a taste of what's
skilled out for the pod.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit of extra special
content just for the podcast.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Looking forward to that, and that's going to be published
about four thirty this afternoon. But right now, let's have
a chat about burns. People love chatting about.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Do you have you ever ever heard anyone call a
burm A verge.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Oh, yes, it's uncommon, though.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm quite comfortable with that.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Verge is a beautiful word.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Though.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, berms controversial can cause problems with your neighbors. What's
happening with berms?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
So it's all kicking off and live in the live
in may be about to become New Zealand's scragglius town.
It's a lovely place to live in love living. But
according to one resident who's refusing to mow the large
berm outside his property. This is John Murphy. He reckons
he has the biggest boom in town. Bold statement, and
says he and his neighbors are up in arms at

(41:06):
hot Finu District Council's decision to cut rates by not
mowing roadside verges. Murphy's one of many angry at the council,
judging by a social media posts, and says he won't
mow his berm and protest. He reckons it's going to
cost another fifty bucks to get it done, so the
district council get a load of this made the decision
to stop urban boom mowing from July one to save

(41:29):
two hundred and forty thousand bucks a year. That's a
big saving.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I guess, so two hundred and forty thousand, So this
is around their proposed rates increases.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, so it's going to cost Murphy fifty bucks because
he normally gets a contractor to do his lawns, but
said there was no way he was going to take
responsibility for the bom, which could fit a small house.
He says, the berm is bigger than the size of
his own lawn.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
What I would say to him is, if the council
isn't mowing your berm, then you own that berm. If
you're mowing it, you can do what you like with
it within reason, you know, you can take ownership of
that boom. But we're here in Auckland. We haven't had
our berms mowing for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
How is your boom looking beautiful? Pretty tidy?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Oh, we have a tidy burm. We take pride in
our burm. And I'm not one of these people that
only does my burm and then has like sort of
an exact line between that and the neighbors. Yeah, I'll
do the neighbors berm as well.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Do you cut in nicely in between the berm and
the footpath?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Well, not me personally, but I proud when I take
a lot of pride when I come home and I
see the job that's been done on the berm.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Hang on a minute, so who who is looking after
your boom? Instantly sounding very elitist.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I get a professional and to do the booms and
about fifty bucks, I'm not sure, but does a great job.
But I mean, yeah, getting your berm, I don't know,
there is a joy in it. There is a joy
in mowing your lawns that I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I think it's that pride in the neighborhood. Well, the
contractor is doing it, so he's looking after you know,
your status within the neighborhood is okay because you've got
a contract to come in and looking after week.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, you know, they say one's got a messy desk,
or a messy room or a messy office, it means
that their mind's messy. If you're walking down a street
and you see an out of controlled berm, you go
there's problems pressure. There's problems at home.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah, but there's peer pressure for you don't want the
worst berm on the street, because otherwise you're going to
start getting letters in your mailbox. Saying sort your berm out.
For goodness saying, sort your burm out.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
But do you think it should be the council's job
to do booms?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
No, I don't know. I think you should take pride
in your own community, your own neighborhood and sort your
own burm out. Where I don't think we've ever had
counsel molars and christ Us, there's never been a thing.
You've always sorted your own burm out. And if you
didn't want to sort your burm out, then the neighborhood
would would get on your case and say you can't
have it looking like that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah right, okay. So but if what I would say that,
if if you are sorting out your own berm or
verge as some weirdos call them, and the council's not,
then I think you have more ownership on what you
do on that berm. I think you can. You can
plant what you want on there, you can within reason,
around pipes and such. I think you you'd be able

(44:08):
to part plant whatever trees you want in there, and
the council come back. Can't come back in nicholin, di'm
you because you're they're not looking after your berm. So
go for your life.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
What have you got on your boom?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I got an unsanctioned tree on my.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Boom, sancient tree? What country?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
A pahoda car?

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Oh man?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
See that?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I mean that is just givin the council the middle finger,
isn't it?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Well?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
They can't cut it down now, it's too beautiful and big.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah you know, I'll throw this at you. So on
the boom down in christ Church. Obviously we're renting the
place out, so we don't really we can't take ownership
of that birm anymore. But I used to mow it
and it looked beautiful. But there was an existing tree
and it wasn't a perhoda car. I didn't even know
what it was. One of those skinny trees, didn't have
much foliage on it. Could I cut that down?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Sheapers right, get on the phones. No, I don't know
about that. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Whose
responsibility is it to mow the berms? I genuinely think
that the council shouldn't have that responsibility. That should be
up to individual homeowners to sort out the berms. And
you tend to agree with the reviso that if you
do that. You should be able to do what you

(45:10):
want with that boom.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, I mean within reason. But you have definitely have
more ownership over your berm if you're the one that's
looking out of it. They Cancil can't come past and
say this and that when they haven't done anything for
the berm.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
If you're in Livin as well, love to hear from
you as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It's thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
You're a new home of Afternoon Talk and Ethen Taylor
Adams Afternoon Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
News Talk said, be good afternoon. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler and we've upset quite a few Texters about
the use of berm versus verge.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, a lot of people say grass vergein that New Zealand.
I've only just found this out. We're the only country
in the world that refers to the shoulder of a
road as a berm, describing a publicly owned grass nature
strip sometimes planned with trees alongside edan roads. New Zealand's
the only place in the world that calls it a berm.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Not even the Aussies they call it a verge.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
According to what I'm reading here, we're the only ones
that call it a berm. You know, a burm is
often a sort of a stationary barrier of some kind,
and if old Bmx's would know that, as I was
as a child, race BMX bikes burn was a very
different thing. Then yes, you go so, but we will
accept anyone that wants to call it a verge or

(46:23):
a boom. We're not going to Nike undying people on words,
all right, then, Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Linda, good afternoon. Straight off the bat vergi or burm.

Speaker 17 (46:31):
Verge I come from, but I come from the UK
and we've always called them grassburg Yes, so it was
quite a novelty to me to come here and be
told it was a.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Well you use whatever term you want, Linda. Your thoughts
on what the council should be doing around berms or verges.

Speaker 17 (46:50):
Well, I don't have a problem with mowing it because
we've got quite a big Olost corner property and autland,
so we have quite a big grass verge. But last year,
after having lived in this house for seventeen years, the
Count's come along planty two trees in surge past nothing.
They just plunk two trees in the gros just outside

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my house. Nowhere else in the street, just outside my house.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
So you've been tending to this berm for it, did
you say, seventeen years? And they're not even not even
the decency to say, do you want two trees on
your your.

Speaker 17 (47:27):
They just they just came along plunk two trees then
and put up signs out looking after them.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
And I'm like, oh so, and that makes you that
makes your mowing more difficult, Linda, because now you're going
to have to go around two trees.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
And you're going to get the lime trimmer out. What
a pain. I can't abide by that though, And I'm wondering,
because your burm might have been the best in the
neighborhood that they've been eyeing that up and saying that's
a nice place for a couple of trees without even asking.

Speaker 18 (47:50):
You what the fact.

Speaker 16 (47:53):
That they.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Now are you But despite the rudeness, the impoliteness of
the planking of those trees and your burm, are you
happy with the trees? Because hasn't it generally better when
you get a tree out in the front of your house.

Speaker 17 (48:06):
Well, I've got like three trees in my property. There's
already about five trees in the street, so it was
just why do I need these two extra ones?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
What type of tree if they put in there, Linda,
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (48:18):
I think they're posty okay, right?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Are they nice looking trees? I'm not familiar with it
with that brand of tree.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
They're not very tall at the moment, they're only about
six foot tall, so it's going to take a little
while before they do anything with regards to providing shade
or anything else.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
But see this, this annoys me, Linda, because I had
the reverse situation where I had my boom that I
was looking after lovingly, and then I looked at the
piping plans and the schemes and worked out everything about
it and thought I'd like a tree on my berm
and I put it and exactly to my specifications. And
the council was like, we're going to come past and
cut down your tree that you've put it in there.

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I was like, no, you.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Are not, but you did the geotechnical work before you
planted the Bahuda kara is what you're saying, Yeah, absolutely rubbish.
Those routes are destroying the part.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
But you go.

Speaker 17 (49:11):
It is strange though, because like some where I live,
it gets really busy in the street and so I
have parked on the grass before. Now so that because
if I park on my driveway because it overlaps the pavement,
I get a ticket.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, I passed from the grass.

Speaker 17 (49:29):
Between my sense and the pathway and I was told
by it's the council transport man who came around said
to me, you're not law to park on the berm
and I said, why not, it's my berm. He said no,
it's a council birm and I said, well, if it's
a council burm, why did they not know it? Why
am I mowing it?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
And then they ifired back with two trees. That was
they took a shot at your two trees.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
You made an enemy of the council LANDA thank you
very much. That's good, But that is a bit of
a point of order. Is that if it's your boom
and you've been tinged into it and now you claim ownership,
is that now a place that you can park a vehicle?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
It's a area I I actually get very annoyed in
my neighborhood because there's people that it's just the pure
anarchy of it that I can't understand people that park
on burms. And there's a guy just down from me
that parks on's bom and now he's got these huge
holes in the berm with the tires are burning out
the boom and I'm like, you are boy, you are
Hunnis pushing the limit.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten AC. Really can to
hear from you on this one. Got to take a break.
It is twenty one plus two.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
S Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
News Talks AB. We are talking about whose responsibility is
it to look after the boom. This is on the
back of a bit of a situation arising in live
In where the council has stopped mowing the booms and
a lot of residents are very unhappy about that.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I've just been wowing you, Tyler with my perherd car
that I illegally planted on my boom. What a beautiful
tree that is.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
At that point it is And that was four years ago,
was it five years ago? That's five years ago that one,
So that would be about four times as big.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Now it's massive. Now it's a real statement tree now
that I plundered illegally on my boom.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
So the photo I'm looking at, Folcus is probably about
five foot high, it is. That's a you know, that's
a very beautiful BERHOODA car were not too big, not
too again, leaping.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Up with the beautiful Christmas reds.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I can already see though that the roots are starting
to become a problem.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
So I imagine that footpath is as correct. See that
brunch there, yeah, you see that here. This is great radio,
but that that was that you could basically climb on
that branch there. Now I had to had to cut
that off for visibility. When we're backing out of the driveway.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Lorraine, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (51:44):
Hi?

Speaker 20 (51:45):
And so when I first started listening, you were talking
about booms, and I wasn't that interested because for me,
a burn a firm is a mound.

Speaker 8 (51:54):
Yes.

Speaker 20 (51:55):
Then I heard about the verge, and oh my god,
I've got.

Speaker 17 (51:59):
A third story.

Speaker 20 (52:00):
So my property was kind of like on a corner
of a street, so I had a big bern on
my side. So what I did was I planted a hedge,
and I obviously I was going to maintain the hedge,
and because it was at an angle, it met up
with the neighbor's fence, but it kind of made a

(52:23):
little private spot in front of me. Anyway, the neighbors
the council called and said you've planted a hedge on
the bridge and I said, yes, I did, and they said, well,
you were going to increase your rates by four hundred
dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Hang, where are you living?

Speaker 21 (52:42):
What?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
What towns?

Speaker 22 (52:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
And can I just get give this in my head quickly?
So is which side of the pavement is this verge
of yours? Is that the one closest you've planted the hedge?
Is that the one right side your fence? Obviously?

Speaker 20 (52:59):
Yeah, what do you see I didn't have a fence
in front.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, right, Yeah, So it'll be crazy because I was
going to say that it's crazy if you've put if
you've planted the hedge down on the side of the road.
But and then maybe I can understand what they're getting at.

Speaker 20 (53:12):
But what I left on the other side of the pavement,
So you get the pavement and then verge and then
the hedge. The amount I left between the pavement and
the hedge was the same amount as.

Speaker 23 (53:24):
A normal verge, right, so it's not.

Speaker 20 (53:27):
Like the hedge wasn't like right on the pavement. So anyway,
I said, okay, you want to charge me four hundred
dollars a year to put up my head? I said,
I am going to look after this hedge. I don't
expect you to look after the hedge. And they said, no, no,
we're not going to look after the hedge. I said, well, look,
i'll tell you what. I won't charge you four hundred

(53:50):
dollars a year for me mowing your.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Property, Lorraine. And what did they say to that?

Speaker 20 (53:56):
Oh, well, it's the poor lady on the other end
of the phone. She's got no you want me, You
want me to look after it, and yet I don't
have any say as to what.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Happens to it.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Does the hedge still stand?

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Pardon?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Does the hedge still stand?

Speaker 7 (54:13):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Victory the hedge has been there is congratulations.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, well done, going back for the.

Speaker 20 (54:19):
Good guys eight times four hundred, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well done.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
So David and versus live situation. So what what did
they actually want to charge you for? So they weren't
going to tend to the hedge that that was going
to be all you what were they actually charging the
increase of four hundred bucks per year for?

Speaker 20 (54:37):
They were charging it onto the rates because it increased
the footprint of my property.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
They'll try anything.

Speaker 20 (54:46):
I don't know. I don't know it. So are you
going to move the boundary then? Since I'm paying for it?

Speaker 21 (54:52):
They said no.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It sounds like you've stood up for your rights. You
rage against the machine and you won. Hey, yeah, this
is going to this is going to blow your mind people.
And I knew this already. But you know what they
call a burm or a Virgin Australia a nature strip?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Nature strip.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
It's a nature strip. Yeah, there you go, according to
a text on nine two nine two. I think I've
heard that before. A nature strip. That's terrible name for it.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
They do the booms pretty well in Nassy though, I
mean I've even been everywhere in Aussy to be frank,
but Melbourne, Sydney beautiful looking booms and I think they
are mowed by the council, right, that is you know
a right that you have over in AUSSI oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty quick couple of texts and then
we'll get to the headlines. Let's I'm a lawn contractor.
Perherda car or. Trees are the worst to work around.

(55:37):
The branches break and end up all over the place,
and the bud things that come off them hurt like
a mofo when you weed eat. Booms are great, though,
I can charge more and are normally easy work. Thanks
Kenny G.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, well, I look after my perhotes and it's got
a long trunk before the first trees, so it doesn't
affect other people's visibility. I'm not not letting it do
its own thing. I'm treating it almost like a bond
SiGe how perfectly formed it is, and I will I
will pick up those bits of whatever, those things that
fall off it, I'll pick them up.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Why did you go for her to color?

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Because there's such a beautiful tree and they come out
at Christmas and with the reds and it they bring
so much joy to the world. I mean they also,
you know, lift pavements and cause a lot of damage.
But I just love them. I just love them as
a tree.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
But hopes is it because it's also a native and
that makes it a bit harder for the council to
cut down. Once it's fully growing, and now you've taken
ownership of that boom.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I just bought a house and I thought it needs
a tree here, so I shoved it in there, and
I'll put my favorite trave of tree there and I
will chain myself to it. If the council comes to
get it.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
I hope it comes to that. Please let it come
to that. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
whose responsibility is the boom when it comes to mow?
And it's all kicking off? And live in love to
hear from you nineteen ninety two is the text number
headlines on their way.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Youse talks.

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Speaker 3 (58:24):
Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about
the hotter Fenua District Council. They stopped urban burm mowing
on the in July rather as a way to save
costs as part of its long term plan. It said
feedback has been largely positive, but that there has been
a groundswell of Facebook comments suggesting it was the wrong
decision and we talked about John Murphy. He's a living local.

(58:48):
He is among many who say they will now not
mow their burms, and it is a controversial chat up
and down New Zealand. Whose responsibility is it to mow
the burms? And christ Church, I don't think the council
ever mowed the burms. It was always the responsibility of
the homeowner and if they didn't do it, nothing would
happen to them, apart from a bit of hair prescia

(59:08):
from local neighbors to get it sorted.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, and then Auckland, the berms were mine for a
long time and then they weren't anymore. And I planted
a Berhuda kawa on my berm unsanctioned her kawa and Mary,
you've got some thoughts on the perhootes.

Speaker 24 (59:25):
So my voice was funny today. Look, I had a
little laughed myself because it reminded me of a story
that I heard years ago, and it was an American
lady that's obviously lived in New Zealand and loved the
food of carbo trees so much she took some seeds
back to San Francisco and she planted them all the
way down the street and Anyway, as they matured, the

(59:45):
flowers started to drop, you know, pens into the into
the drains, and the council in San Francisco, she sued her.
There was a huge amount of money and it was
it was I think it was the hair old years ago,
but it was a true story. And so she was,
you know, she was sued for all the blockaging of
the drains in San Francisco. So I'm not so sure
if the street has still got food of carbo trees.
It was in the heart of San Francisco anyway, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Johnny apple Seed just going along dropping bahooda car with seeds.
It's fantasy, yes, And of.

Speaker 24 (01:00:12):
Course Americans and of course is sewing for the council
suit her for all the blockage because she planted.

Speaker 25 (01:00:17):
Them in the first place.

Speaker 24 (01:00:18):
Reminder of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
So, knowing what you know about the you know, the
the damage and carnage that Bouda car has caused in
San Francisco, how do you feel about Matt Heath planting
a hootacaway outside his place on the boom.

Speaker 24 (01:00:30):
I think good on him, and I think every household
should actually have a vegetable garden or fruit trees. But
I used to go to San Francisco and I was
done in San Jose. The amount of fruit trees were
planted were incredible. You'd walk along get fresh beaches and apples,
and I think, you know, it's living off the land.
So I think every healthhold did have a fruit tree outside.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
How good would that be? Would just skip around the
neighborhood with a little basket. You grab some fajoas, you
grab some apples, you grab some bananas, then you rip
out a potato and head home for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
You even dig up the booms for the potatoes. Yeah, well,
funny that you guys mentioned that, because obviously christ Jute
after the earthquakes, there was a big chunk of land
that was declared the red zone. Right, this was former
residential area. Now you can go and just go nuts
on people's former fruit trees that have now been They
kind of abandoned the land and its land for anybody.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Fantastic apples, peaches, golden peaches I found.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I wrote an article for the Herald in this,
But I think there's a feeling that there would be
a lot of rodents running around if you're feeding them
with the fruit. I think that's the only argument against
running endless fruit trees on your booms.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Brian, what's your feeling about the booms.

Speaker 26 (01:01:40):
Well, I'm on holiday here from Melbourne, just listening to
you guys for the last hour or so. Thank you
for that, Ryan, I don't know where where you got
the inside someone who must have rung in and said, well, yeah,
the councils of Melbourne don't lawn them. I mode them rather,
but they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Right, And that's always been the cases of Brann. Melbourne
councils have never mowed the booms or the verges of
the natures them.

Speaker 26 (01:02:06):
And they've never mowed them as far as I've been there,
as long as I've been there, and they you can't
put up a tree in there on the nature strip
without them having the yes or no because they don't
like it if you put the wrong tree out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Well that's interesting, Brian. One thing, we might have got
that wrong, but we did get it right when we
said that. In Australia you refer to what we call
birms or verges nature strips, so we got that one right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
The nature strip, yeah, and it is the nature strip.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So that that's that is, that's akin to our booms.
Does a nature strip to grow anything else over there?

Speaker 26 (01:02:44):
No, that's it. I was trying to figure out what
a burn was until you mentioned it was one of
our nature strip. Why to have a lot of saying
what we do with the nature strip?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
And how did the good people in Melbourne feel about that?
Do you want more ownership of your nature strip?

Speaker 26 (01:03:04):
I'd like to put the trees in it that I like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yes, sort of trees are we talking about here?

Speaker 26 (01:03:11):
I don't know what sort of trees are planting or
I don't know what they're called. But they've got a
lot of little berries on and they drop in the
whenever they drop the season and everything on the it's
always on the on the road or in the gutter,
and it's just going down the waste water.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Well, thank you so much for your your call. The
Brian nature strip for me invokes something else. I think
the Australians have got it wrong. They're calling it a
nature strip. It's taking my mind somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Tell me more, where is that mine? If yours going,
I can see what they're doing there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
You know, beautiful nature.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
There's a nice strip.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
There's not a lot of nature there there's generally just
by the sounds of things from Brian, there's not so
much nature and more just some grass that's been mowing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
The sticks to see is I love a tidy boom,
even spray mine for prickles and weeds. Our streeters too
came along and mine must be the only one with
no prickles. That is a man was proud of his
neighborhood and his own burm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
We need to get rid of thistles and prickles. They're
an absolute disaster and they do no good in the community.
How do you feel, though that this is moving slightly
out of the era of area of burms And I'd
love to have people's thoughts on this. What about putting
succulents in your little traffic island thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Well, that's up to whoever's closest to the traffic island.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Because I love when I go past and I see
someone has made the effort and they've made a little
sort of journey a little garden. In this one, we're
near my house, that's beside a speed bump, and someone's
gone to the effort of putting succulents in there. It looks,
it looks beautiful. It looks really cool. But then the
council came through and terraformed and put nothing there in return.

(01:04:53):
So now it's just got a little bit of dirt
in there. And I was like, well, what's the problem
that the succulents were better than nothing?

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Yeah, that's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
And someone it made a little it was a beautiful
little rock garden. Hasn't there? But it wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
A story a couple of weeks ago about a guy
in christ Jewish and this was a traffic island and
around about, and I'm pretty sure he was jumping in
the middle to tend to this little garden he'd created.
And the council turned around and said, when that's not
health and safety, we're going to get traffic management in there.
So just let the guy look after his garden that
he's created.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Can the guy across the road, can you do you
trust a citizen across the road, then you trust a
citizen across the road with a succulent and a trout?

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Exactly oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty keen to hear
from you about whom mows your booms, and if it
is you, should you get ownership of that also a
lot of people talking about parking on the booms, and
you said before that if you look after the booms,
you should have some sort of ownership of there. Clearly
it's not your land, but you should be able to
do what you want with it. Does that include parking

(01:05:51):
your car?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
No, I think that's that's anarchy. I understand on a
narrow street, if you're just going to have one wheel
up on the boom to make it easier for people
to get past, that's just being considerate. But there's saying
something very wrong. Second disgusting when I see cars parked
on Burn it seems like anarchy to me. That seems
just one step too fast, especially when they start having

(01:06:12):
the tire tracks on the berm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
That's the breakdown of society at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it just leads to cars being
abandoned in places. Next thing, you got shopping trolleys there
and there as well, and everything just falls to pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Walk You're new home of afternoon Talk and Heathen Taylor
Adams Afternoon Call. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
ZB News Talks B. It's a quarter to three.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
We've been talking about burms and who locks after them
and who should look after them and who has ownership
of them, but it's actually descended into basically an argument
three camps really, the Berm, the Verge and the Australians
coming in with a nature strip, which makes me feel
the word nature strip makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable. Actually,
maybe it makes me feel a little bit excited. But
another word has joined the chat swale swale people are

(01:07:02):
coming through and some people call them a swale.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Spell that out, so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
There's two spellings of it. Is wai l or in
America is w a l e. And as far as
I can tell, that's a wit hollow or a boggie depress.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
That doesn't sound like a burm I want to be
a part of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
But you're but your boom might be a wit hollow
or or.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I think we should adopped nature strip. To be honest,
I really like nature strip.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Who looks after your wit hollow? That's the question. Hey, Helen,
you've got some thoughts on the pookawa.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:07:35):
Look, I must say I really like trees and there
around enough of them, But I'm wit concerned about with
this tendency for them to lift footpaths. How are you
going to feel when elderly or otherwise to say, what
person comes along and breaks their hip on this, on
this this that's come up? Is it too late to

(01:08:00):
move this tree? Or can you dig a drench and
cut off the roots on that side so that it
doesn't lift this pavement up?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
She's actually well, I lethal well, Helen, when that happens,
I feel terrible. But right now I can tell you
that the pavement is as flat as a pancake. It's
smooth writing. For the people in my neighborhood. They love
it and they love the joy that the podka brings
when it comes out. It's New Zealand's Christmas Tree, isn't it?

Speaker 25 (01:08:25):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah? They love the joy it's bring at the moment
in the shade that it brings to our streak.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
The cost benefit ratio is woroped in your favorite this stage.
But the joy that it brings versus the cracks and
the pavement.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I promise you, Helen, if I ever see it turning
into a risk, they'll do something about it. That's that's
my iron clad promise.

Speaker 19 (01:08:42):
To you.

Speaker 21 (01:08:43):
It might be too late.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah, it might be too late.

Speaker 21 (01:08:46):
Who wants to break their hip over a tree? It's
the wrong if ever does, it's a pavement.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I'll tell you who. I tell you, I tell you
who wants Who wants to bring that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
No one?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
No one wants to break their hip on that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
That's an easy one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
That's an easy one I can give you.

Speaker 21 (01:08:59):
No one does I know to you to do something
before that an accident happens.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Okay, all right, all right, I promise you absolutely one
hundred promises.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I'll keep them honest that one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Then I'll promise I'll keep it flat.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
You've heard it here first, folks, ken what do you think?

Speaker 19 (01:09:16):
Look, I've got a corner sight, and so I've got
a fifteen meter boundary north facing on one and that's
got the road, then the grass berm in the foot
path and on the short boundary, which is least twenty
five minutes on the long and fifteen a cast or
whatever it is, and that's got the footpath and then

(01:09:38):
the boom, and they both north facing. And I wanted
to dig up all the grass heart plant potatoes and
give them away, and the council let me so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Whyly you do that? That seems like a great usage.
What is a massive bom slash nature strip slash bird?
Possibly not a swale?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Is that the double boom almost whale?

Speaker 19 (01:10:02):
The swale is a drain? It differently not a drain?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, yeah, and so and so did you attempt to
plan the potatoes or did you ask permission first and
they and they shut you down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
You see, that's never ask for forgiveness after you've done
it and planted the potatoes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
It's only a truly evil person would come along and
terror form your potato patch if you're giving them out
to the community.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
And if a contractor came along and then you offer
them a bag of spuds to say, hey, can you
just keep this quick, keep this between us?

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Some spud Paola.

Speaker 19 (01:10:36):
There's a tree and to plant a fruit tree in
its place, and they wouldn't let me do that either,
so I thought, oh, let's just plant a plumb tree
or something whatever. So when the kids, because it's on
the walking school bus, yeah yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
You know likes it can help themselves burn that big
You could have You could have been running a whole orchard.
What about some strawberries? No one would Nichol and dime.

Speaker 19 (01:10:57):
You for that's why potatoes are so good in the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Yeah, they're not going to get so easy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
It's not unsightly, looks easy. Yeah, thank you very much.
Ken that is disappointed, and his king sounded like a
good community leader just wanted to feed his neighbors some
nice potatoes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
If we if we used our berms productively, we could
just have kids walking to school. As I said before,
they're just grabbing an apple here, there's a there's a
banana there, there's a pajoa there. Then they're they're working
walking past Ken, they're grabbing a potato.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
It's a potato in the walk to school. That's that's
that's the stuff on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
The foot there, potato up. Maybe not the potato wouldn't work,
but it paints a pretty picture, doesn't it. Just people
walking to school and grabbing some fruit. But I understand
every rat would have it. We'd have an absolute plague
of rats and have to get a pied piper.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
In Well, what's your take on the burms.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
Yeah, so we've got sort of like your leadter box
and you've got your grass boom. Then you've got the
footpath in the grass verge. Well, we live on top
of a bit of a rise and then this lady
decides to come and park a huge, big women bus
right up outside on our grass.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Verge straight away.

Speaker 8 (01:12:10):
You can't put it, yeah, So so we rung the council.
They came out and they basically told us, nah, there's
nothing we can do as long as the tires aren't
on the footpath. She's got a registration I warrant, but
she lives five hourses down there and she doesn't want
to park it. She came up and we had to
go with her. So then my neighbor he came out.

(01:12:31):
He rung the council, he came. We had four council
people out there all day checking it all out and
there was nothing we could do, but we kept the
council busy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
That is that is egregious, And so I didn't actually
know that because in my name of these people that
are parking cars on berms, so does the council. You know,
they'll nickel and dime you because you're trying to put
a potato in your berm, but they don't think they're
jurisdiction in there, and they're incredibly officious about parking, But
on a berm it's suddenly out some kind of Ecuadorian

(01:13:01):
you know, embassy, and you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
On a boom house bus, no problem apparently.

Speaker 8 (01:13:06):
So from from the road to the footpath that grass
peace along the air, anyone can park on there as
long as the tires don't touch the concrete. As they
touched the concrete, you can get it towed because it's
now classes on a footpath.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
As well as this Just sorry, is this an Auckland yep?

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
Yep. Well, I would say, I don't know about anywhere
else around. I don't know anywhere else around the company on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
This explains a lot to me why there's so many
people parking on burms in my area and not getting towed.
When people get towed for absolutely nothing in the area,
I would say, if you're having in your auckland, you're
having to tend to that boom, you're having to mow it,
then I think it would be in your rights to
maybe let those tires down on that bus.

Speaker 8 (01:13:44):
We've got people up the road and right along the
fence line on the outside of the leaderbox side along
the fence line, they've got a whole pole of silver
beat grown, whether sign up, help yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Good neighbors, good neighbors. So she put that above potatoes eat.
She love a bit of silver beat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
But what are you doing with silver beat? I don't
know wh what you do with silver bet? Because every
time I go to a seer magacy, a silver beat
was the silver beat going just.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Looked like it was avaluable than potatoes. So that's why
I like it, is that you know, I'm for pounds.
Silver beat is more expensive than potatoes. So I'll take
a little beat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I just want to know what you do with it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Steam it up?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
You steam it up? Steam it up? Do you steal
it up? And I have a horrible little sort of
steamed up little pile of silver beats in the middle
of your plate.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
I'll tell you what was worse about that story, though,
is the woman who owned the house bus lived five
doors down for will, so sheer parked the bus not
on her place, outside of Wells place. Yeah, I mean
that's a bad neighbor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, I mean, and you were spoiling for a fight.
I mean you're doing something like that. You're a brave person.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
It's very brave. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
will have time for a few more phone calls. It
is eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
The Issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Twenty four you Talk News Talks B five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Rob back with the show. I understand you were in
San Francisco and the afore are mentioned Perhodagate went down.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
I was we were doing a regett it in two
thousand and eleven, and it was inside front page or
third page, and it was quite a big story about
the PERDA cars and how that absolutely decimated all the
drains and it was costing millions to repair it. I

(01:15:30):
got the impression it was a gift from a council,
but maybe it was just a gift from a person
planting the seeds. But I mean, as soon as I
saw Perhodakaua on the paper.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
You got excited. You thought.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Evil, evil trees. Beautiful trees, but evil, and thank god
we don't get them down in the South Island because
it's too cold.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
So do you think the trees in San Francisco did
the pdical would grow even more voraciously than they do
here in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
So the yes, I've just lost you as a seat there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I was saying, is it one of those situations when
you take a tree from one country to another and
it becomes more successful than it was where it's from,
because this sounds like these perder cars were doing a
whole lot of damage over there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Yes, yeah, massive damage. Well it's a little bit like
the bamboo here. My neighbor pulled out a whole load
of bamboo next to our place, and we are really
grateful he did because it just grows like wildfire. And
it's the same with banana passion fruit. But look, I
was in Berlin a couple of years later and driving

(01:16:44):
the sailing team into Berlin and we're going in to
having locker. I couldn't believe the berms as we got
into the city. They were all about a meter high,
and I asked one of the Germans, and the Germans
said to me, oh, no, you're not allowed to mow
the berms in the inner city. For nature, the insects

(01:17:07):
grow and mature, and so no one's allowed to no
one's allowed to know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Yeah, no, good story, Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
We must have paid off San Francisco some money to
keep that quiet news coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Very very good afternoon to you. I hope you're having
a great Monday wherever you're listening from. And great discussion
about the burns last hour. We're going to change it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Up then, follages the nature strips Pertera car was at
all someone who's even referring to them as a swale.
But we're moving on from that, aren't we to etiquette.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah, so this is a great story in the New
Zealand here at the sixteen tunnel Tale signs you're more
common than you think. According to an etiquette expert, so common.
This is William Hansen. He is the author of a
newly released book, Just Good Manners, and he went on
to say common can be defined in different ways, but
it really means being overly mainstream or a bit naff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Well, it sounds horrible the him common, doesn't. It sounds
like a class system you're trying to impose on people. Common.
I would say I'm pretty common.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
You're in touch with the common man?

Speaker 12 (01:18:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
No, I would say I am the common man. I
would say, I am the quintessential common man, That's what
I would say.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Well, the interesting part about this story is he mentioned
some things that I would never think to consider it
to be common, like mounted televisions.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Now I can't believe that, because the mountain televisions are fantastic.
The idea that having a mounted television is common. Also,
anything bigger than forty six inches is suspect. According to
this guy, anything less than forty six inches is a
waste of time. I mean we waited our whole lives.
I remember a twenty nine inch television back in the
day with the tube television, the catfaid rode. Yeah, it
was took up half the room. But now it can

(01:18:59):
just sit on your wall mounted. Do you have the
biggest television you can afford?

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I thought that looks tidy. You know, that's upper class,
even the mounted TV.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Apparently not, Well, my cost it's just got a seventy
inch television I heard. You know, is he common?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Well you couldn't call Hoskin low rent, could you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
No, you couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
He's high class. G and T's apparently a low rent now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Right, is a classy as gnt's are a very classy drink.
Someone's saying, eating on public transport is common and one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
That really hurt you. Yeah, and it probably hurt me
even though I don't have this yet. Was sparples. Yeah,
spar pools are tasteless.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I think I'm a sort of a castle type person
where everything that I think is flash and something to
be celebrated and that you're doing well in life, like
having a spar pool they're saying is common, Big TV's
spar poles. That's how you know you've made it. That,
that's when you're doing well in life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Yeah, quintessential middle class to me is a sparple. And
I'm still waiting to get there, but I'll get there eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
And this guy having a salted caramel or caramel as
some people call it, salted caramel, Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
That's low.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
That's classy. Salted caramel as classy as you get.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
That's a step above caramel. You get a little bit
of salt on there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I can believe that people are assaulting caramel at one point,
and now now I'm all about it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty is this guy off
as rocker? I mean an etiquette expert, what do you
think about mounted televisions and sparkle Sceen low Reds give
us a buzz i eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
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Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
So we've been talking about this etiquette expert William Hanson
who's got a list of things that he believes are
now common. And I think what he means by common
is lame. Yeah, a little bit low rent, a bit
low rent, unclassy and common, tasteless, taste less. And I'm
looking through this and I'm hoping people will will come
out on one hundred and eighteen eighty and support some

(01:25:13):
of these things, because I think some of these things
are flash, classy and call and the very things in
life that I've aspired to, such as liquid soap. He's
saying is common and lame, whereas I think liquid soap.
You're really achieving in life if you're managing to run
a liquid soap pump. And and particularly what he's been
going on about is mounted TVs and anything over forty

(01:25:35):
six inches, So.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
That one just on the liquid soap, I mean, that's
the good life ivan liquid soap rather than the bar soap.
Nobody wants bar soap.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
No, it leaves a horrible mess.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Yeah, and the mountain televisions again, that's when you've made it.
It's tidy sufficient, Simeon. What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Oh, Orgon is a bit of a tough one. You know,
they're saying that slascreen TV's are pretty standard, pretty common,
and that you know, that sort of theirs. But everyone's
struggling to buy food, so like I see a little
difference or indifference in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Mean, what's those television are you running there? Simeon?

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
Personally, I have I think it's a I think it's
a forty two but I got about five six years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, forty two inch, oh yes.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Yeah, And I usually work my PlayStation so that I
can game, you know from time to time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Yeah, man, yeah, And do you aspire to move up
the television size?

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
I mean, at some stage I want to put it
on a wall just for the convenience of it not
having to have a TV unit sitting under there. Give
me more four space. Yeah, but I don't think I'll
go much bigger than what it is, to be fair.
And if I want a bigger TV, I'll just go
to the cinema. And what's a moving on a big
screen there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Good call. What sort of PlayStation are you running?

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Simeon currently just got the old PlayStation four. Looking at
the idea of an upgrade to a P five.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, but I tell you what, I upgraded to a
P five. There's not much of an advantage in the
P five. None other really fantastic P five games came out.
I'm still a big fan of the P four.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
And if you wait eighteen months, I mean the PS
six is going to come out in about eighteen months.
So just hold the line, I say, Simeon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
They have you just released it completely useless new version
of the P five. But yeah, okay, so mounted televisions.
I think I believe personally that that's that's how you
do number glass, that's how you demonstrate you're going well
in life. The number of inches you're running.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Number of inches? How BIG's you tell you?

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
The one upstairs I'm going to say is that's a
really good point. I think that might be. That might
just be a fifty five or upstairs?

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
How many inches on the downstairs or pressure bigger?

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Pardon seventy? Well that's a big tal seventy in the den.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Yeah, And both of them are mounted on the Wii.
The swing about maturely, you've got You've got a step
above that. You've got to tell you that just kind
of folds into the walls.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Yeah, I've got one of those ones that also works
as a piece of art when you're not watching it,
And that's plumbed right into the wall. But I didn't
realize when I bought it that you just see it
in the store and it's just this TV, but there's
this huge box that goes along with it. All the
workings of the TV that make it so so thin
actually operate outside the television. So I have that plumbed
in and now I've got this weird great round the

(01:28:06):
stairwell where I go and if I have to do
anything crazy to the TV around the back, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Look and tell you though, the Samsung frame. It's beautiful
and you've got a money What is that?

Speaker 22 (01:28:16):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
What's the outwork? Because that's what it's about, right, The
frame is there to look like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Yeah, this person is saying that my TV is not
classy because it's more than forty six inches. But I
subscribe to this this art, to these different the art subscriptions.
You can have different paintings on there and they look beautiful.
Of we're currently running a Claude Monet. Classy?

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Is that that's very classy?

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you feel a
bit aggrieved of what this this etiquette expert is saying
is low class, particularly the G and T's and the
sparples you together.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
G and T's is about as classy as you can get.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Back in the moment, Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Good afternoon, It's twenty three past three. This list put
together by the etiquette experts. There sixteen things that apparently
makes you pretty common.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Linda on nineteen nine two said, happy to be trashy.
Sparpols are the best outdoors under the stars and the winter.
That's from Linda. So trashy is kind of the word
he's using as an ask, stitching around what he means
by common he kind of kind of means trashy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Yeah, that's what he's getting in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
So tie clips is one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Tie clips are very smart.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I think as we go through this, we realize he's
talking about us because I would never be classy enough
to run a tie clip. And a tie clip is
I don't even really know what it was when he
was first talking about it. I thought it was when
you have a tie that you don't tie and it's
got a band and you just put it over your head. Yeah,
you know that's somebodys talking about. He's talking about when
you have that classy little clip that holds a tie
close to your shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
I've never been fancy enough, so it's a rocket tie clip.
I've always just started with the original tie that to
me is super classy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Liquid soap he's saying is trashy and that you should
be going back to the bars of soap.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
No, no, I cannot agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
No, get out, mate, get out. He's listing a bunch
of really classy expensive soaps like well, for me, Imperial Leather.
Now that's a classic bar of soap.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
That's a good bar and it lasts a distance as well.
They're bear Boy last three months.

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Eating on the street, Yeah, I see where he's getting
at with that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Well, when my mum was going to Imbcago Girls, she
told me that she would always say that you can't
really eat on the street. But once she got cane
for eating on the street and a uniform walking to school.
I think she was just eating an ice cream.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Oh, one of the nuns saw her.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Yeah, driving past on the way to school and gave
her a good caning for it. So it used to
be considered a really like a criminal on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Eating ice cream on the street. That's a canan.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Holding a knife like a pen. So that's where because
you know, my parents were really really strict on table etiquette,
so we have to have the finger pointing right down
the knife as well. So I do I find a
little bit weird when people it's kind of like they're
doing an autopsy when they hold.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
A little bit precise, don't you can you kind of need.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
And you can't get that. You can't get the leverage
the purchase you need to get through something mounted televisions.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Talked about that one. I think that's classy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
How big as a TV before you think it's getting
desperate or you're making too much of a statement.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Sixty five inch is a limit for me. Sixty five
that's a big telly. Yeah, if you go because what's
above that? Then it gets to seventy seven that's too big,
I think as.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
We go forward, because a lot of us like, man,
I'm a little bit older than you, Tyler, and when
I grew up, our TVs were so small, so we
were just like the bigger, the better. Bigger you can
get a television, the better. And I think I'm still
in that mindset. If it can fit on that wall
and you can afford it, you get that biggest set
you can and you're mounted on the wall because having
a television cabinet takes up unnecessary space.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Sixty inch trashy straight away, so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
You're on five inches over that with my trashiness.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
I remember how stoked I was when I got my parents'
old fourteen inch teally that finally went in my room
when I was about thirteen years old. I thought that
was the best thing around. Fourteen inch, baby, it is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
It's quite amazing. So what was how big was the
standard sort of television?

Speaker 8 (01:32:15):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
No? People had like twenty inch television, nineteen inch.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Thirty two inch was massive when I was a kid.
Thirty two inch and they would have taken up.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
They would have taken up most of the lounge with
the tube out the back of it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
It felt like it at the time. Yeah, and you
could fit sixteen people around watching the thirty two inch
and we were happy ass.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
But it isn't amazing that families used to sit around
and on a couch and all watch a television on
a fourteen inch television. Do we have better isolate back
then or something?

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Yeah, a couple of teks and we'll get back to
your phone calls. Okay. Common regarding TV is not size
or mounted. It's if they leave it on when you visit,
unless you were there to watch sport or something planned.
Turn the damn thing off, you fearal Robbie, that is I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Think there might be something in that. I don't want
to be onside with this snooty etiquette guy, but I
think if you bring someone around, it's just blasting random
television in the court of the road. Then you want
to turn that off and focus attention on the people
that are visiting you, visiting you. I'm with you on
that one, Robie.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Yeah, good call Connor, how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:33:14):
Good, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Talk to us about Telly's.

Speaker 16 (01:33:19):
Yeah, yeah, I heard. My dad has always been a.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Well might have just lost Connor. Hopefully you'll come back.

Speaker 16 (01:33:28):
We had a we had a set up where where
you could cook in the kitchen and have a thirty
inch TV there, you could sit in the dining room
table and have a fifty inch TV just above the piano,
and then an eighty five inch TV for the lounge.
So that was that was my dad definitely capturing the
old school mental.

Speaker 11 (01:33:49):
Of that heat.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
So there was so there was there was no where
you could really go and not be watching television.

Speaker 8 (01:33:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:33:58):
He even had a mirror up So there was one
blind spot in the in the upstairs house and there
was a mirror set up right where you could just
see that see that half of the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
So that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
One thing that blew my mind the first time I
went to the United States was going to a sports bar. Actually,
the first time I went to the United States as
an adult and went to a sports bar and they
still they had the televisions in the bathroom so you
wouldn't miss a second of it. I just thought that
this is the future. I love it, and that has
come to New Zealand. Now there's a couple of sports
bars around where even when you when you have to

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go and do what you've got to do, you can
you can still keep watching.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
About Time we Go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
That is classy. That is class is classy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Sheers very much. Connor. We'll get to Bryce just after
the headlines. Actually, because Raylan is standing by. It is
twenty eight past three.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
It'd be headlines with blue bubble tacks.

Speaker 14 (01:34:54):
Is it's no trouble with a blue bubble for man
and a teen have been arrested in Auckland, accused of
forcing their way into a home in Epsom, holding a
person hostage and stealing personal items for eighteen to twenty
thre three year olds have been charged with kidnapping and burglary.
A sixteen year olds also arrested. A judge has reserved

(01:35:15):
a decision on former Green MP Gorri's Garnaman's attempt to
keep her shoplifting conviction off the record. The Taxpayer's Union
says Kaying Orders needs more accountability, with complaints over apartments
in a new complex costing one point two million dollars each.
The Health and Disability Commissions recommended more training and an

(01:35:36):
apology from Saint John after a man died as his
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an hour after she'd called one one one. Three staff
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(01:35:59):
possible defining moment of Regatta. You can read the full
column at Enzi Herald Premium are back to Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Thank you very much, rayleanh. It is twenty eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Welcome the show, Sophia. Your thoughts on this etiquette list
we've been talking.

Speaker 18 (01:36:13):
About, Well, I sometimes wonder reading or hearing about this
etiquette list that maybe this guy is lying to us
about being an expert because I.

Speaker 23 (01:36:24):
Don't know what he I mean.

Speaker 18 (01:36:26):
I imagine he's selling this course to people and they're
buying it and dozing led us straight. But I mean essentially,
I think being classy by his definition is pretending you've
got no money, which is unfortunately in the cost of
living crisis. But I mean I'd hate to know how
impulsive people buy things. You know, sometimes you just got
to let the money go. Sometimes you've got to try

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and keep it, which is the biggest challenge of life.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Sophia, what do you think about this one? Applying makeup
in public? Is that trashy?

Speaker 12 (01:36:58):
Depends?

Speaker 18 (01:36:58):
It does depend? I mean in a public bathroom, probably not.
But you know, sometimes people are living a busy life.
So maybe on a bus maybe would be okay, on
a train is okay.

Speaker 8 (01:37:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:37:10):
Well, actually actually thinking about it. Make up hopefully it's
a long lasting where so if your makeup is not
serving you for the twenty four hours that it stays,
then we need some new strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
And on the Telly question, how big is too big
for you? Sophia, If you're going to afford a one
hundred inch should you wear, you know, have that displayed
with pride in your house?

Speaker 18 (01:37:34):
Well, consideration needs to be taken into at play, because
I mean, if your room's only what five minutes square,
then hundred and TV is far too big. But if
you've got a very small and I guess modest, you know,
living room, then then maybe, but actually maybe having no
TV is the ultimate class, you know, because you're living

(01:37:58):
a busy life, not a busy life sun life.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
When I went first went flatting Sophia, I had to
live in a shed because because I didn't have a
lot of money. First fletting is a very young man
left home when I was quite young, and the first
thing I did was by the biggest TV I could.
But back then that was that was came with a
huge tube out the back of it, and so my

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girlfriend was so furious when she got home because we
had to sleep curled up in the fetal position because
it took up such a large percentage of the shed
we were living in. So I think on retrospect I
had to agree with her that I'd gone for two
bigger TV. But that was in the tube thing. Now
the TV all it is it's basically warpaper. As big
as you can fit warpaper on, you can fit the TV.

(01:38:42):
And I say, go for it.

Speaker 7 (01:38:44):
Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 18 (01:38:46):
I mean that those TVs with the with the pictures
on it as next level. It's you've got the hybrid
art and entertainment.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Yeah he is upper class now, Jess, you're a bit
upset that the G and t's, the classic gin and
tonic has been highlighted by this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
It's trashy.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
No, No, I love a good G and T me too.

Speaker 25 (01:39:11):
It has to be a tanker and it has to
be a nice chrys tonic. So you don't need all
this happy dippy stuff. Doesn't need flowers, doesn't needtanical It
just needs a lot of ice and a nice crispy tonic.
And sorry, no you go, Yess, and red fingernails and

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a nice Figi.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
As well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Jess, maybe not, and you're just on the Gordons. You're
one one, two five of Gordon's.

Speaker 25 (01:39:46):
No, it has to be a good London dry tank
and what sort of tonic do you go for? Look
a good old sweat. I know that sounds trashy in itself,
doesn't it start there's a reverse psychology here. Those who
think they are Styli and Sarsy with their happy tippy
tonics have actually got it all wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
It's reverse.

Speaker 25 (01:40:08):
So yeah, you've got to too your toonics.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Well, you're a purist. What about a diet a diet tonic.

Speaker 25 (01:40:18):
Yeah, have to use that, use the dietonic.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
So you're watching your finger at the same time as
slamming a few gen t's. When does it get unclassy?
Is there a volume of gents? So, yes, you're sitting
down for one, that's classy two, still classy, three, four, five.
Once you're getting around eight, are you starting to lose
some of that class?

Speaker 9 (01:40:37):
Goblets?

Speaker 25 (01:40:38):
Half and half.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Way to go, especially if you're free pouring.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, I'm with you, though. Jeez. If I go on
to a gin bar and I think that I'm being
upper class, but I'm getting a gin with, you know,
a circle of eyes and a nice spray of lemon
and some flowers, I'm with you. That's actually low rent
and just go on the original straight up. That is classic.

Speaker 25 (01:41:01):
Yes, absolutely don't mess with the original.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Chake it on your just thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
I've got a little bit of an apology to make.
I was saying before that my mom got cane when
she was a kid growing up at in Vicago walking
to school and she was attend I say she was
attending in the Cargo Girls. It's Southland girls that cane
to all those years ago. Okay, so I just want
to make sure I get the school that caned my
mum for eating on the street, right, I don't want
to bespirch their name.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Good to correct that one. It is twenty two to four.
Back in them though, the issues that affect you, and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
You've talked, said be.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
It is a twenty to four Tessa. How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Team? How's the going very good? Do you want to
talk about classiness?

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Well, I'm kind of.

Speaker 27 (01:41:49):
I had a thought about TV's first of all, because
she's talking about all these massive TVs and whatnot, and
I remember the little fourteen inch thing as well. But
I haven't had a TV in twenty years and since
I moved out of home, and when I go into
someone's house with a TV on of any kind, it
is captivating to the point of frustration, because you're sitting

(01:42:09):
there trying to have a conversation with them, and I
don't understand how people, you know, I don't know how
to understand how to have them in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Just yeah, as if it's not on. Yeah, I agree
with a test before that was saying, if you go
round to the house to watch the sporting event, or
say you've been invited around to watch a movie, maybe
a romantic little evening in short, the TV's on. But
if you're just coming around and you're talking and you're
getting together, you can't have the TV blaring in the background.

Speaker 12 (01:42:37):
No, no, no.

Speaker 27 (01:42:39):
And people just go about the days relaxing on their
days off at the TV in the background too, And yeah,
I don't know, I find them really really stimulating.

Speaker 18 (01:42:46):
But that's because I'm a bit of a a.

Speaker 22 (01:42:48):
Love living apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
So Tessa, when you say you don't have a television,
are you watching Netflix and such on a laptop or
you just not watching any television at all?

Speaker 27 (01:42:59):
No, that's not really. I got a laptop, but it's
a cut down this.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
I need to use it for something really.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
And how do you go on social media? You doom
scrolling through to your tiktoks and your Instagram or are
you are you what? Are you reading a book?

Speaker 14 (01:43:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:43:14):
You're reading books?

Speaker 18 (01:43:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Or might have just lost Tessa there. Yeah, she's she's
just such a lad eighte that she's just going up
on phones as Well's like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
That's it at that point talking to me, she was like,
that's it on over phones as well, just having.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
The tally on and a couple of occasions I'm not
going to name and shame here, but when you go
around for dinner, but they like to eat early, say,
you know, a quarter to six, so you got fifteen
minutes before the news comes on, and then they decide
to put the news on, and it's kind of awkward
sitting there while you meant to be having a bit
of a conversation and Simon dello is I'm telling you
the news of the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Day greatest Simon Dellaro is around for dinner. But if
he's not been invited, then you don't want him there.
Now we're just talking about things of the classy guys.
Surely cucumber sandwich is a classy right, in which case
of gin and tonic with a cucumber and instead of
lemon has to be ultra classy. Yeah, I won't hear
a bad word about a cucumber sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
No me, neither a great sandwich, and I mean it's
just a water sandwich. At the end, of the day crunk.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
How do you feel that? That's what's classy about it?
It's so subtle. How do you feel about an asparagus?

Speaker 12 (01:44:14):
Role?

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
Love it?

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
That's classy with real butter though real but oh Marge
here really ah, I don't have a Marge on expect
how much time you got You need Marge to get
through it quickly. And I'm talking about the classes. It's
got to be on white bread. You can't be having
like trying to wrap a piece of vogels around an asparagus.
And that asparagus, if you want to be classy, has
to come out of a can as well.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
If they serve it at the Bowls Club, you know
it's classy. Hi guys, your discussion around TV and appliances.
We have an eighty inch purchase for half price as
a floor model. That is our movie room. Have just
purchased a top of the line fridge with the built
in everything including computer touch screen, classy eight thousand dollars new.
We paid four k for it again the floor model,

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so sucker for a bargain.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
I like your style there, yeah, so, I mean, if
you're trying to be classy and pretentious like this person,
that's clearly put this list together. As do you then reveal?
Do you do you reveal the deal? Or is that
considered ghost? Because if I get a good deal on
something and people come around, I'll talk about the deal. Yes,
here's my TV, as this person's going and they go, oh,
that's impressive. But what's even more pressive impressive is that

(01:45:20):
you've got a deal.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
On it, like your snig oven that was a floor model,
wasn't it. That's right, a tiny little scratch on somewhere
that nobody's going to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
People were talking about the house and this one point
two million dollar k on the order house, and I
noticed it was a westing House with about one thousand
dollars And I said, look, I've got a snag.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
I love a good deal, but I got a deal
on I got the shop floor snig I drove to
walk with to pack up a couch. Of course, I
love a good deal. Chris, what's your take on this?

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:45:51):
Just about the TV in the I've got the older
seventy inch in the lounge. What kids got forty two
inch with this PS.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
Five lis room?

Speaker 23 (01:46:00):
And I've got about a fifty inch in my bedroom?

Speaker 19 (01:46:03):
What?

Speaker 23 (01:46:04):
Yeah, but I'm a bit of a sports freak. Yes,
So like what Skuy's done.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
Now you've got the multi view, so.

Speaker 23 (01:46:11):
You can if you want to link up your laptop
to the h GMI to the big TV in the lunds,
you can have four different sports channels on the one screen.
Then you've got the old laptop next year, you know,
things just like it's a teck of the screen today.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
You look, there's a great sport operation you're running.

Speaker 19 (01:46:32):
You carry on.

Speaker 23 (01:46:33):
Yeah, yeah, you're like nothing to do with tav But
you know, like when people come around, I'll always have
the TV on, but give it on mute.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Yeah that's all right, Yeah, but straight.

Speaker 23 (01:46:46):
He's still you know, you tell the person you're mid conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
Sorry, I'm just going to watch the skull kick.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
I'll tell you what you're missing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
You need to put a screen in the bathrooms. That crazy, Yeah, yeah,
it sounds like you don't go crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Just a thirty two inch in the bathrooms all you need.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
You're essentially running a sports bar there, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
I remember some myr appearents had were one of the
first people we knew to have Sky television back in
the day, and they had just talking about the TV
and the bedroom. So they had a fifty inch in
the bedroom. We're going back twenty five years now, so
sky TV TV in the bedroom and a water beard.
To me, when we got to Granddad and Grandma's house,

(01:47:28):
I thought that is the life. They are upper class
at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Yeah, but so what do you think about this? So
people inviting you around to their house and then immediately
getting on their phone and looking at social media when
you've been invote because I was recently invited around to
a house and a massive phone addict. It doesn't matter
about it. They didn't have huge televisions at all. Yeah,
but immediately on the phone and I'm just standing there

(01:47:53):
while they're talking to someone that doesn't even isn't there.
And then I go around the side and I'm like, well,
just what would they be looking at? And this person
was looking at Instagram? So you've invited me around to
your house and then you're such an addict that you're
from an entirely different world looking at Instagram?

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
So what were you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
That to me is much worse than leaving an eighty
five inch television on playing Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Dallow So it was just you two so you've been
invited around to your mates.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
There was a few other people there, It wasn't just
the two of us. That would be super weird.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
And then you came into the lounge. Maybe you were
having a nice drink.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
That this was in the kitchen there was there was
there was drinks being had, and this person is just
sitting on on the on the kitchen stool, flicking through Instagram. Yeah,
and I thought's rude. I thought that's that's that's that's
very very rude.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
It's a slight restaurant etiquette. Yeah, when you get to
the restaurant, if you're there for a dinner party, you
are meeting lots of people. Got to leave the phone
in the pocket. A couple more texts on this one
before we got to take a break. Hi, Tyler and Maddie.
There is a perfect word that describes your topic. It's ostentation.
It means a vain, ambitious display to impress, to parade,

(01:49:05):
a lot of pomp that may not be in the
best taste or style. So yes, there can be quite
a bit of ostentation, whereby bigger isn't necessarily better. The
G and T However, it's classic and will always be
classy from Ali great text.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
So if you've got an eighty five inch television and
and it's purely because you love sport or you love movies,
and that's what you're using it for, then that's practical.
I'm not going to say that's ostentatious. But if you
have an eighty five inch television to invite people around
to point at it and go look at the size
of my television, then then that's probably tending towards ostentation.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
But why wouldn't you. I mean, if you've got an
eighty five inch Telly that you've just bought, you're really
proud of it, the Samsung frame, of course you'd be saying,
look at this bad boy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Invite people around on a Friday night to see your television,
not to watch the television. It's just to be an
are of your television size.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
Yeah, eight ten eight, We'll have time for a couple
more calls. It is tender four.

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Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
It is eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
So we're talking about this guy William Hanson. That's he's
made a list of things that mean you're common, and
a lot of them. I don't agree with liquid soap,
he says makes you common. Not there's anything wrong at all.
I mean the first question here, William Hanson, what's wrong
with being common? But I guess there's someone pointed out ostentatious.
He's listed liquid soap here as one of the things,

(01:50:56):
and I think liquid soap is impressive. I see someone's
got liquid soap, especially if they've brought a little pumper
for it. I think that's that's flash because you're going
to the effort to refill it. You and I know
that I classy now. And this caused a little problem
of my house yesterday actually because my lovely partner, Tracy,

(01:51:17):
she keeps tissues. A box of tissues on the kitchen bench, right, yep,
not far from the oven, just in case you need.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
This is on the island, So so this is separate
to the island that you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
This isn't on the island, okay, right, this is over
by the oven near the knive.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
We've got your kettle.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
The kettle's on the other side.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Tilert ok.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Ok, you know what you're talking about. The kettles on
the completely on the other side.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
How dare me?

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
But this it annoyed me, these tissues there, because you've
already got You've already got the towels, the handy towels there.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Oh, so you've got paper towels on a proper You've got.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
The paper towels. They're they're fine.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
But there's also changes everything the tissues here.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
So I'm like, why do we need both these things?
And this box of tissues that was eating me alive.
There was something about it, just sitting there, this box
of tissues. So I went yesterday and I don't know
what happened to me. I wasn't really thinking. I lost
my mind and I went and bought a tissue hold
box that goes over it's like a it's like a
thing that sits over it, and it looks kind of
like a house from Monopoly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Oh, it's like a doiley for tissues.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
It's not a dole.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
A doiley is a very was it felt. It's not felm.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
It's it's it's plastic and it's white and it's and
it fits in with the decor of the kitchen, and
it looks like a little house. And the tissues stick
out the little chimney at the top. It looks like
it's like a little fires burning in the little tissue thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
That's trashy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
And Tracy goes to me. She was quite annoyed. She
didn't say anything for a while, and she goes, there's
these things that annoy you, don't you, and you just
can't let them sit. Because I said, she actually saw
the shopping list, and on the shopping list, I said
something to cover up Tracy's punishing tissue box. I'd actually
put it on the shopping list, and she saw that,
and then I went off forgot it and I put
it on there, and I was so happy. I was
actually standing back looking at it, feeling happy that the

(01:52:56):
kitchen was looking nice and organized with clean lines, and
you couldn't see the punishing tissue box. And she said
you had to do it, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Wor Kleenex know they're doing. There's already beautiful floral patterns
on them.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I don't want the floral pattern there's too much. I
just wanted the nice clinical I want my kitchen to
look like you could you could perform surgery in there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Text has just come through. You've lost the plot, Matt,
I agree, absolutely right. A couple of texts to wrap up, guys,
remember the old pie TV off the eighties p y e.
The big wooden box with the tuban side, probably eighteen
or twenty inch, watching Muppet Babies or Fraggle Rock on
a Saturday morning Good Times.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
TV's used to look like parts of furniture. They had
a wooden box around them. Some of them even had
doors that you opened up on them to the TV.
This is another interesting text, Tyler. You were talking about
your grandparents before in their room. This text around ninet
two nine two says massive TV in the bedroom and
a big water bed, sounding a lot like your grandparents
were swingers, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
I mean they had a sunken lounge and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
I mean, who am I to just shag pile? But yeah, yeah,
I mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Was the eighties, so you know that was the style
at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
They have a big key bowl as.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Well, Tyler and Matt. Hoskin was bragging about getting a
new humongous TV last week. It sounds like he was
compensating for something. John, We're I'm going to break over those.
Hoskin is a good man, he's tidy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
He's not common. There's nothing common about Hosking.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Right, Thank you very much for today some good discussion.
And by the way, we're going to have our first
podcast up very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Yeah, that's right, with a special bespoke intro on the
Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast on iHeartRadio or ever get
your pods.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Yeah, Heather coming up next. Have a great rest of
your Monday night. We will see you again tomorrow. See
your ladder.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
See you

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
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