Full Show Podcast: 16 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great news editors, and welcome to the Matt
and Tyler Afternoons podcast for Monday, the sixteenth of December
in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Fantastic
show today usual. We were thinking, it's the end of
the year. No one's going to ring our show. Everyone's
busy doing their shopping. They're checked out for the year.
And then we did two hours of intense talkback on

(00:36):
video games.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Fascinating though the impounds of people that absolutely adore video games.
I mean there was a bit of hate.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, there was a bit of anger. There was a
bit of people that were calling us idiots for even
suggesting that there might be some benefits in video gaming.
But there was also many, many more, surprisingly, many more
who talked through video games in a reasonable fashion and
realized that look, let's not spoil it. You'll find out
how people felt about it. And then we are joined.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
By Die Henwood, yes great New Zealander, Great.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
New Zealander, to talk about his plans for Ristmiths and
his plans betweeny twenty four and is ongoing battle or
journey through cancer as he discusses it, and on top
of that, an opportunity to win a copy of my book,
A Lifeless Punishing.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah. Great show.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
So enjoy the podcast and all the best to you
and give them a taste of Kiwi and God bless us.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Everyone talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk Zibby.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, get a tou, Welcome into the show. Seven pass
one the final sprint towards Christmas. Hope you're doing well,
Get a Maddie.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I certainly am. I had a fantastic weekend. Listen to
this for a weekend wholesome. Well, actually Friday night wasn't
wholesome because went loose at the Christmas party and chasing
the fox. Yeah we did, we but after that I
had to pull it back. So how about this? Going
to go for a swim?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yep, we go.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
No, what we'll do is we'll ride to the faery,
get on the faery or our bikes, then ride from
our bikes all the way to the beach and then
go for a swim and then ride all the way
back and on the ferry and go back. And if
you go on an adventure for your swim makes the
swim so much better. You get home. And if you

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work for something, you know, if you just get in
your car and you go there and you slop into
the water and sun Bay, that's nothing. But if you
have to go on an epic Lord of the Rings
style adventure, the Lord of the Rings, Lord of the
Rings worthy adventure to get to your swim, so good.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
That is wholesome. And Devenport was a busy a lot
of people outs.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, no, there was a there's a bit of
there's a bit of riding from Devenport to get to
get to get to the water, but or to get
a good part of water. But no, it was good. God,
it was great. And what a beautiful weekend it was
in Auckland and Hamilton. What was it like in Wellington,
christ Church, Dunedin? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah, Well, aren't we bloody lucky though? In this country? Honestly,
when you get a week in like that and you
live in a place like New Zealand and it's this
close to Christmas, I think, geez, we're lucky in this country.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
We don't know how lucky we are, Tyler, We don't
know how lucky we are.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Exactly big show today after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
We got to talk to my good buddy and great
New Zealander Die Henward, speaking of Chasing the Fox. He
won Chasing the Fox with the media team. Yeah, him
and Mark Richardson and Jeremy Wells against the odds. I
think they're paying thirty five bucks to win, and they
took it out. But yeah, we'll talk to him about
Christmas and his year and his life. Yeah, because he

(03:34):
had a great documentary out this year and he had
his book out.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, beautiful humor being Die Inward. That's after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, should promoters pay for the police to
man events. This is a suggestion from National MP Greg Fleming,
who says officers have told him about the amount of
time they spend policing his events. He says the law
change would only focus on large events and charge around
one dollar per ticket on an hourly basis. But this

(03:59):
feels like a fine line to tread when it comes
to our cops and paining them effectively. Security fee for
these big events is that you know, we kind of pay.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So you're saying that they start by charging you to
do a security on events and next thing you know,
there you ring nine one one or one one one. Jeez,
where am I from? What country am I from?

Speaker 4 (04:19):
You?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Ring one one one? And they go, yeah, that'll be
two and fifty bucks.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeap, credit our details first please, and then we'll arrive.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm not sure I feel about this. I think that
a lot of people don't demand much from the police.
Your averages in and it doesn't really ask for anything
from the police at all. They just go about their business,
they go to work, they come home, they don't demand anything.
And then the first time that they need something, which
is a bit of security at a concert, yeah, then
they're being charged a dollar for it.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I know it doesn't sit well with me, but you know,
I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
We're thinking about that and we'll get more into it
in two o'clock. Actually, I will hold my thoughts until
two pm, because right now.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I can't wait to hear you two pm. What a tease?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
You what a tease? Because right now we're going to
have a chat about video games.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, that's right. Stats show that's seventeen the biggest Internet
usage spikes in New Zealand this year. Of those, seventeen
fourteen were Fortnite updates. Fortnite is an online video game
and game platform that was leased in twenty seventeen. If
you're a parent, I'm sure you know about it. It's
a very intense, very very intense video game. I've played

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it a bit, My kids have played it a bit.
So is that a bad thing? Should we be freaking
out that fourteen of the seventeenth biggest, seventeen biggest spikes
in Internet usage were for video games? Or or is
it okay? Because there was a study of nearly two
thousand children has found that those who reported playing video
games for three hours per day or more performed better

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on cognitive skills test involving in Polese control and working
memory compared to children who had never played video games
at all. It looks like there are some mental benefits
for playing video games. Yeah, cognitive and also there was
another study that I was looking at that said, in

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terms of people who have potential or increased potential to
be do complex keyhole surgery, people that play a lot
of video games tend to be better at that. Yeah,
So our video games all bad? Are we wasting our
lives screaming and yelling at our kids to get off
video games when they're not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think we demonized them far too much. I mean,
certainly when I was a kid and I was playing
GoldenEye on Nintendo sixty four, and what a great game
that was. But Muma hated it that I would spend
hours upon ours playing that game. But this was back
in the day where you couldn't tap into the internet
to join your friends. So we had these overnight parties,

(06:51):
slumber parties of your will that me and my friends
got around to play GoldenEye throughout the night. That was
a good bonding experience. But you know, more and more
as you mentioned these studies, Clearly there is a lot
of benefit to kids playing video games. But it's all
about that balance, though, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean, it discussed you as a parent. If it's
a beautiful day, there's no doubt it appears to be disgusting.
It's a beautiful day outside, and your kids are just
up in their rooms playing their video games for hours,
not bothering to get dressed, just sitting around in their
own filth. That doesn't seem like, that doesn't seem optimal.
But in my day, my parents were really angry at

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me because I just sat around watching movies all day,
watching TV and not moving and not going outside. And
for me, that seems worse because I wasn't doing anything
at all. I was just sitting there in a complete
vegetative state, watching not even interacting with what was on
the screen. And finnily enough, my mum was telling me
a story when she was a kid, her dad used

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to yell at her for just staying inside reading books.
He was like, all you do is read those brain
rot books inside when you should be outside. Comic books
were a big problem back in the day. So are
we just always freaking out about what our kids do?
And as I was saying before, one thing that makes
kids really love playing video games is that they're not

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allowed to.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
So it's taboo they want it so much more. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is than umber to
call if you're a gamer yourself. If you are, you've
got a professional job and you've got a family, but
you still love gaming. Love to hear from you on
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two. Nine
to two is the text number. Let's get into what
it is. Thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You
for twenty twenty four US Talks, THEBB.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
News Talks, the Bee Good Afternoons You Hope you're having
a great Monday, and we are chatting about video games.
It's on the back of Fortnite being the second most
streamed operation in New Zealand, on the back of the
Tyson versus Jake Paul fight. But we have been focusing
on video games because for a long time it has
been demonized by parents up and down the country. It's

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spending too much time on video games is bad for
your brain and bad for socialization, and it's just not
the case according to a lot of studies.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Woll I don't know about these socialization part of it,
but they definitely think that there are some cognitive cognitive
advantages and playing video games. But with a lot of
texts coming through from both sides of the argument, Matt,
video games are brain right, they make kids violent, They
should be banned. Matt and Tyler, if you idiots think
video games have any worth. You idiots. I'm always suspicious

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of someone that uses the word idiots twice in a sentence.
You know, if you're calling someone an idiot, you'd probably
be able to be able to come up with more
than one way to describe idiots. Matt, are you saying
the only way to get kids off video games is
to let them play them? I can see a problem
with your logic, mate, Yeah, that does seem illogical. But

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by screaming and yelling and trying to get your kids
off video games all the time, it makes them really
really crave the video games. And I read this. I'll
get to this later because it's slightly off topic, but
I read this really interesting book by Lance Burnett, and
he was just is the key. He wrote this book
called Anxiety as a Worry Lance Burdett, Sorry, and he

(10:10):
was just pointing out the better ways to get kids
off things, as if you set up a situation where
they can get choose to get off at themselves and
get the dopamine hit by by getting off the games
themselves or their phones themselves, as opposed to the anger
of being forced to get off them. It's a subtle
way of doing them anyway. We'll get to that later.
More text this one. On the positive side, games are awesome.

(10:32):
By day, I'm a forty five year old slave to
the system, but by night I rule the skies of
the western France. The name von Rippendofen strikes fair into
the hearts of allied by those that and or his
on the other side, beneficial for who? How many young
men never leave their rooms, let alone their parents' house

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because all they want to do is game. Seriously, to
try and spin it as a good thing is beyond stupid.
It's brain dead angry person. That person's very mad angry
about video games.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
If you're a game I love to hear from you.
Eight hundred and eighty. How do you feel about those
very outrageous ticks? Nine two nine two is the text number, tyson.
Are you quite the gamer?

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Oh no, no, not at all, not at all. But
you know, so I had to have children, so there's
one aspect you're missing out. So I totally agree with
everything you guys are saying. You know, the more you're
push them to get off that they don't want to
know about it, all the sort of carry on, and
sure they could become surgeons because they could with their
hands in their eyes. Yep, but you're missing out the anger.

(11:41):
And you guys must have seen your kids come out
of the room just it's like they've been smoking the
peace and they just wound right up. They're dilated pupils.
They are absolutely fried. And my son to do this,
and I'd say to a marketer a couple of hours,
I'm like, you're not even having fun. All I hear
is anger, anger, anger, and it's it's it didn't really

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seem too healthy, and so I couldn't really push them
off it. So I kind of let him go for it.
In about three o'clock in the morning, music commotion going
on as room, and some cracked me down with this game,
and so I had to I had to put some
boundaries in place, and he and he embraced the boundaries

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because he knew that it wasn't doing him any favors.
And so all we had in the house was a
piano in the whole way and the handful of guitars,
and he just jumped onto them, and so I was
I got out.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Very much.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
So you so you completely got rid of the video games,
or is access to the video games.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Only for two weeks. Yep, yeah, but weeks once Once,
once he learned who George Harrison was, it was all over,
didn't There was a whole new world opened up to him.
So so that was good in that respect, And because
of the anger thing. I don't think people playing video
games are going to become surgeons because sergeons are SOACA paths,

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and you know, they can either be serial killers or soujion.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
It's now kind of.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I think they could. There could be some some truth
in that. But isn't it interesting as parents what we
what we're happy with our kids doing. So if they're
just playing in their you know, up in their room,
learning guitar for hours and hours and nows and being
obsessed with that, then we're okay with it. But if
it's video games, not so much.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yes, exactly, because guitars call.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I used to get really angry with my guitar though,
because I'd spend hours and hours playing my guitar in
my room. But I'd also get angry with that sometimes
and hiff it across the room if I couldn't work out.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
Later you'd go back to what you were playing, and
then you realize that you did achieve it in the
sense of achievement was beyond anything.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, but I think I.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Threw my guitar across the room when I couldn't work
out Blackbird by the by the Beatles, which is one
of the most peaceful, loveliest.

Speaker 7 (14:02):
Yeah, I think you need to culture.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
But isn't that part of you know? That's and look,
I was one of those angry when I was gaming
when Mum stopped me in the middle of a mission
or something and I couldn't complete it because there was
that addictive side of it. These games are very theatrical
and the design to bring kids in and get into
your brain. But isn't part of learning as a child
is to figure out how to deal with those things.

(14:25):
I mean, it's the modern world at the moment. You've
got to figure out how to pull yourself away from
those things with maybe a bit of help from your parent.

Speaker 9 (14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
Yeah, so you did right, And banning them is not
the answer, and letting the helpful leather is not the answer.
You just got to big hands on my ful parents
and just assess it day by day and know what's
going on in their lives, as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean I was. I was
an incredibly angry child just generally. I was angry at school.
I would I mean, I remember once diving over a
desk to punch a guy in the back of the
head because he said that cricket season was over and
now it was rugby.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So I think we shouldn't say that, for one, you know,
that's very inflammatory say that.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
So there is there are kids that are just angry
for a bit and then we get that anger out
and then we learn over time.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, impulse control.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, hope is not all.

Speaker 7 (15:20):
They'll be all right. The kids are all right.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, the kids are all right.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
What's the thing.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
What's your boy learning on the guitar at the moment?

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Tysle mm Wow, that's that's another subject on itself anyway. Yeah,
that's that's one good subject for radio. And you'll leave
it that one.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, all right, thank you, tyson.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And the problem is that your kids just throw away
their life trying to be a musician.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
are a gamer or a parent of a game, I
love to hear from you. Nine two ninety two is
the text number. It is twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Now on domestic and sexual violence.

Speaker 10 (16:00):
The government's taking another look at a massive fund one
point three billion dollars that's set aside to deal with this.
They have a plan to prioritize fewer things and do
them well instead. The Minister of Prevention of Family and
Sexual Violence carenturs with us.

Speaker 11 (16:10):
Now, this was off the back of the first action plan,
of course, which we learned trying to do too many
things all at once and doing nothing well was not
working out for us. So we decided that we needed
to be more focused, more streamlined.

Speaker 10 (16:22):
Is it possible that you might cut some spending out
of this funt mark.

Speaker 11 (16:24):
It's not looking about cutting the spending, there about making
sure that that bending is making out true change and
making sure that we're actually measuring the outcomes.

Speaker 12 (16:32):
Of that change.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Heather duplusy Ellen on the Mic, asking Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with Bailey's Real Estate on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
News talks 'B. It's twenty six past one, O one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number call. We're
talking about video games on the back of Fortnite being
the second most streamed activity.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Of seventeen, biggest Internet usage spikes this year. Sorry to
talk over you, Tyler, goodfriend fourteen with Fortnite updates. So Fortnite,
it's been going since twenty seventeen. I thought that game
would burn out because I spent a bit of time
on I loved it, but then the kids that I
was playing games got too good. The building part of it,
the building part of it is so intense.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I just got my ass handed to me every time
I played and loved PUBG. That was a similar style
Battle Royale Fortnite.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Regually, Fortnite was a rip off of PUBG. But let's
not get into that. But my kids are still into
Fortnite every now and then. It's just gone and gone
that game. Yeah, Epic Games has done very well out
of that.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Maria, how are you?

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Gods? How are you?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Now?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
You're great to chat too because you're a young mum
of two toddlers. You're thirty seven and you love games.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
I still play on you know when they're in bad
and older you just a time done. I still my
logoin for an hour and it's.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
For now.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
It's going in the reverse. For now, it does go
to reach off the real world, have a bit of
a game, have a little bit of chill, and then
got back in a real world. Now, I did say
that I play concert Strike. I do take offense when
people say violence greats violence, it's not quite in.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Some video games are like concert Strike because like two
twenty years ago, Oh my god, it did help that
my parents, my parents both professors, so you know, very
intelligent people. They would play Curse of Minor Magic, which
is a more strategy game, so you have to build things,

(18:43):
you have to think about a lot of things, so
it kind of opens up things. I do have to
say that online gaming where the bullying is not something.
I'm into it, and I'm aware that it might bring
some other challenges into the gaming world these days, but

(19:08):
I'm definitely everything in moderation and just remembering to tell
you kays he.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Oh, I think we might have just lost Jim Maria.
Oh no, we might try and get Maria back. That's
a bit of a tease. But Counterstrike, and I was
someone who played counter Strike, but I think you know
who point about violence is quite right. Counter Strike to
me was always about strategy with your teammates, knowing who
was you know, the sniper, who was the tank And

(19:40):
actually a lot of it was socialization.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
That was the first big Internet game, if you will
this text to here. Guys, my children love playing video games. Yes,
it's all about balance, but it was a massive part
of my childhood, and I love when I see them
playing the games that I enjoyed as a kid as well.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean it's like everything though, it's everything in moderation.
If your kids in their a and smashing up their
their computer or their controller, then that's a problem. But
every child, I believe, is going to do something that
their parents aren't happy with. They're not all going to
be out making tree hearts, running around, running down to
the lake and fishing and then playing some rugby and

(20:26):
then coming in and cooking your dinner and sitting down
and then reading the Bible as they go to sleep.
That's It's not the Waltons anymore. Yeah, but this is
this is an interesting text. I thought was funny. These
people are not angry at video games. They are angry
at halfwit more on radio hosts who can't understand the
irrefutable equivalency of heroin dopamine addiction with gaming dopamine addiction.

(20:47):
This person seems quite angry for a person that's.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Talk about impulse control. I think we've got Maria back. Maria, Hello, Hi, So,
as you were saying, you know, everythink and moderation, But
the question I got for you, does your partner play
games with you?

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Your place game baker? Actually place different game here. He
prefers to play Nintender, not Mary Curry, but like Zelda
some more like Discovery Puzzles and so on, and he
plays chess online as well.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, fascinating. And what's your watch? Your game of Tag.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Huntress New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Love it?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Hey, Maria, when your kids get older, when you're you've
got two toddlers, are you gonna are you going to
allow them to game? Or are you going to manage that?
I mean it's always hard to say, but do you
think gaming is going to be part of the education
and how?

Speaker 11 (21:48):
I believe so.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
But the thing is, because we're so good in games,
me and my husband, they probably will give will be
placed to office us because we'll just fit them.

Speaker 13 (21:58):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Anyway that's me.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, no, thank you very much, Maria, really great to
check you. One hundred and eighteen eighty is an to
call if you're a gamer. You've got kids that a
gamers love to hear from you. Nine two nine two
is the text number. It is twenty nine to two.

Speaker 14 (22:17):
US talks evy headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no
trouble with a blue bubble. Kiwi holidays continue to cost more,
with STATSNZ saying domestic airfares rose nearly eleven percent in
November on the month before, and accommodation went up almost
seven percent. A Quantus flight to Melbourne has turned around

(22:39):
on route and headed back to christ Church twice today,
first after an issue with the pilot's radio and then
because of a funny smell in the cabin. Passengers will
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being sued in Australia with acclaim at mishandled reports of
unauthorized transactions, leaving customers twenty three million dollars out of

(23:02):
pocket and locked out of accounts for months. An Auckland
man has been sent to prison for just two years
for tax evasion and taking paye from his workers' wages
and spending it on luxury vehicles instead of giving it
to inland revenue relief for eighteen thousand Woolworths workers with
a new collective agreement giving minimum wage increases over the

(23:25):
next two years and a new multi skilled rate.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
Just do it.

Speaker 14 (23:30):
New business founder shares her advice on launching a company
during COVID. You can see the story at enzem Herald Premium.
Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Thank you very much. Ray Leno at hundred eighty and eighty.
We've been talking about video games and love to hear
from you. If you are a player, yourself or a
parent of kids who are heavily involved in video games.
Have they been demonized maybe a little bit too much,
particularly in the back of some studies about cognitive skills.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, so this Texas says, if you believe studies you
are more on you don't understand studies. They are very
one dimensional. Well, I mean, we've got to have studies,
and you can question the studies. But the study we're
talking about here says as the study of two thousand
children found that those reported playing video games for three
hours per day or more performed but performed better on
cognitive skills tests involving impulse control and working memory compared

(24:17):
to children who had never played video games before. Obviously,
video games have some harm, and we were talking before
about the anger that it creates in some kids, and
we'd prefer that they are out in the sunshine. But
video games do have some positives as well, it would seem.
And of course, when you're look into studies, this person's
absolutely right. I mean, you can look into studies and
you could ask yourself, is it that the two thousand

(24:37):
children found of those people who found a reporter playing
video games for three hours per day perform better on
cognitive skills test? It could be possible that kids with
bit of cognitive skills gravitated towards video games and had
better working memories, so they got more out of the games.
You know, studies are complex. Yep, absolutely, but we can
just say what the study says. And there's a couple
of ones here as well, and the advantages and playing

(25:00):
a lot of video games have towards people that want
to be surgeons. So we're just asking the questions, are
video games all bad? Is there something good about at it?

Speaker 7 (25:09):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
And what do you do. If you don't want your
kids on video games, how do you get them off?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yep, we're taking your calls. I know one hundred and
eighty ten eighty quick ticks before we get back to
your calls. Well, I can't believe a lot of the
negative comments on gaming. I grew up on gaming and
yet still had the chance to play semi professional football.
It is a great way to relax and unwine for
most of us. Glenn, how are you?

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:33):
Good?

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Good?

Speaker 7 (25:33):
Good?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Now you've played video games for some time?

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, I'm thirty two now. Started when I was eleven.
A friend introduced me just into Pokemon on the Nintendo
and then got in going into a game which I'm
not sure if you guys are familiar with the which
is called Runskate.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I know of it, I've never played it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Have you heard of that?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah, tell me more.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
So it's an online it's essentially an online game. And
you know how you hear? You know you can clock
games all this game would take you essentially probably out.
I've seen thousand hours to clock.

Speaker 8 (26:09):
So it's a huge game.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
But in terms of skills that it would teach you,
I mean, there's not many, but there is a marketplace
on there where you're learning about the work that you
do as value and if you sell something, you know
the heart of the content that maybe more rewarding it is.
And that kind of reflects in the professional world too.
You know, you go off and you study, you work hard,
you get paid for it. But I think for me, look,

(26:36):
I ran track when I was going through school, and
I did well. I probably did two two and a
half hours of training each day, and then I'd go
home and I'd sit down and jump online and chat
with my mates. And there are a lot of the
boys that went through school that played sport at a
really high level, really good athletes, and they went home
and then then played for hours at night. I think

(26:57):
for some like some people like going home and sitting
on their phone, you know, sit on your phone for
two to three hours and we won't bad night. And
I think it's really interesting because probably a lot of
your listeners an'swamiliar enough with gaming or they've never played it,
and so it's they're just naive to it, and then
that leads to anger. I completely understand.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
When I got onto gaming, obviously I was eleven, and
so I went through puberty gaming and you know, I
played Steers Go as well, Tyler, and I've never had
a go at Fortnite, Matt, but I can definitely see
how those games bring out anger. You know, you're jumping
on you want to have a really good time. Next thing,
you die, and you keep dying, and you keep dying,
and you just get more and more annoyed. But I

(27:39):
think from a parent's perspective, and that's something I always watched.
My mum did more, and I hope she's not listening.
She most likely doesn't, But that was to ask me
about my game. You know, we can go out and
we can play rugby on Saturday morning and our parents
will stand on the sideline and cheer for you. But

(28:00):
when it comes to video games, well no, let's even
look at TV shows. For example, you're watching a TV show,
everyone's all, oh, what was in this episode?

Speaker 9 (28:10):
You know was that?

Speaker 8 (28:11):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (28:13):
But when it comes to gaming, you might do a
nice gaming and in the morning you wake up and
you have breakfast and you do all your chores and
you're a good kid. But never once did your parents
go what were you doing last night? In a game.

Speaker 12 (28:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, I guess it's kind of hard. And as goes
back to what you're saying that they may not understand
the games. And I think a lot of people that
are texting into the show today that are very angry
about games don't really know a lot about them. But
there is a thing with gaming when kids have got
headphones on, there's dialed into their computer where there's not
much of an in for the parents. And I guess

(28:46):
if you're a parent, you look at that and you go,
I don't know what's going on there. I don't like it.
I wish they were out playing n't be and you
get angry about it.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Look like, I'm thirty two now and I've got a
six months old daughter at home, and I for the
first four months of her life, I made a point
of not getting on the computer and playing, you know,
and now I only do it when she goes to bed.
I will not play computer games when she's awake. I
know how important those first eighteen months are. So I
will not go on my phone or the computer when
she is away, and so I wait till she goes

(29:16):
to bed. But even then I feel guilty. And this
is another thing This is another thing that I think
we need to look at for teenagers as well. Have
we considered how guilty they feel at actually playing it.
It may be that they're going through something at school.
It may be that they're using the game as a
form of escape. You know, your previous caller was saying
that she likes to get on the game and get
away from the real world. I think that is quite

(29:40):
an exaggeration to say get away from the real world,
because let's be honest, games are in the real world.
But it's definitely a way of us getting away. And
for teenagers, we deal with so much. It might be
your first girlfriend or boyfriend, of break up, bullying, all
that kind of stuff. So when we get home it's
our safe place. So I think for any parents out there,
if they've got a kid that's going through some anger

(30:00):
issues and they're playing games, really gently goes to them
and say when they've got the headset on, could you
just do it with one ear open, you know, so
when you've got hit set on, I will often I've
got my back. We have the way my computer sit up.

Speaker 8 (30:12):
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
The way my computer sit up is the back of
my back's to the lounge, and my wife will often
be in the lounge and I'll always have one headphone
off my ear so that if she's ever needing me
or anything's needed.

Speaker 9 (30:25):
I will get up and go.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, I think that's something we can maybe ask the
teenage kids as well. Hey, love that you've had a
good day at school. You know, you've been with your mates.
You want to get on the game. That's awesome. You know,
remember the dishwasher is there, but when you're on tonight,
you just keep one keep one headphone off.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's interesting and you talk about kids and socializing so
through COVID, and we were up in Auckland, so we
had a much longer lockdown than the rest of the country.
But my kids will get on and play their video
games and talk to their friends. That's how they keep
communicating with their friends because they'd go and play the
game together. And I was talking to the mother and

(31:03):
my children at the time, and I said, is this
that much worse than when I was a kid and
I just go and meet my friends in a part
to throw rocks at things or whatever we used to
do that. You know, as you say before they meant
you know, some people might not understand what it's like,
but that getting on on a game like Fortnette and
talking with your friends is a form of socialization and

(31:24):
it's and and there is a positive in that.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
One hundred said, look, look that's gonna sound funny. I'm
thretty two and we still do land. We've done we
recently last year, before my daughter was born, we did
a sleepover. You know, all the boys get together, we
bring the computers together and we sit around and we
play games at thirty two years old.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
To a lot of people, but.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Wow, that's so stupid if you were, if you were
a spider on the wall watching how much fun all
of those guys get. And we're talking we're talking government
workers in the stroup. We're talking builders, we're talking painters.
I'm a I'm a manager as well. It's it can
take you back to those times where you were. I
think a lot of the time as well, some of

(32:08):
the call as some of the listeners, they forget the
end of the day. We are all grown up, baby,
you know. Stop taking yourself so seriously. If you don't
find TV relaxing for you, consider gaming. If gaming is
too stressful for you, move away from it. But look,
it's a huge industry for a reason. We do know
it is, and I think this is what a lot

(32:30):
of the listeners will be annoyed at it. It has
developed so that it is addictive. TV TV series are
as well. That's why they have such thing as ratings
rating exactly.

Speaker 15 (32:43):
Talk radio.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know you guys have a good show. Every time
I get in the car, I want to listen to
the show. Now is the problem?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's a huge problem is where did we go? It
makes it makes people angry as well that I'm just
looking at the text machine now. Show probably makes people
more angry than a lot of video games.

Speaker 11 (32:59):
Why.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
This is why I want you to bring in because
I know this will provoke the conversation and I know
it will make a lot of people angry. But everyone's different.
People are going to resonate with different things. The thing
I find relaxing is gaming and it brings me and
my mates together. What is wrong with that?

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
And then you say say your mates coming together for
you say your mates coming together for a land thing.
I mean, no one bets eyelids. If it's a poker game.
If your mates get together to play poker, do that yeah, yeah,
but why is it any why is it any even
better or even fantasy league for sports? You know, nobody
would care about that.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
All meeting up at the pub and getting and getting.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Pers you know, and actually, to be honest, your point
you made that I talked over, sorry that Glenn was
about getting together watch sport. I get so angry. I
get so angry that when my friends leave their house
i've been watching sport, are sometimes going to be going. Well,
that was pretty aw good. How much I was screaming
at the TV for the entire Warriors game. Hey, thank
you so much for you call Glenn all the best

(33:56):
for your land parties.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Thanks man, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, nine two nine two. But he made
a great point, didn't he. That it is being demonized
for a long time. But it is a new form
of entertainment, just like watching a movie or sport or
reading a book. It is just a new form of
technology and entertainment.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and for the longest time parents have been freaking
out about whatever their kids do. It's always been a disaster.
And look, I don't think there was anything great about
me just sitting in the lounge, just watching the same
movies over and over and over again like I did
when I was a kid, and not happing my dad
on the farm. Yeah, you know, he was angry about that.
At least video games you're interacting. But that's not to

(34:36):
say they're all good. We're just asking are they as
bad as people say they are?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
He's done. New take on talkbag Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
They'd be good. Afternoon. We're talking about video games and
whether they have been demonized too much in recent times.
This is on the back of the biggest Internet usage
spikes this year, fourteen of which were Fortnite updates, huge
online game Lee. How are you?

Speaker 8 (35:08):
I don't give it when we go Solder for this
call soldier, Yeah, love it the time. I'm fifty two
and I've been gaming give he since PlayStation came out,
and even before that. I think before that it was
like Atari, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Did you ever play those games that were like tennis
and they'd just be two lines and a square that
you hit back and forth. In television, we had that.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
We had the first color K nine TV. As soon
as he was games on the TV, I was playing
them right.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
And now my grandson lives with me, and and me
and him we game together. We play Minecraft together, and
it just it just we get on so well. A
It's It's definitely helped us bond.

Speaker 13 (36:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
And basically I played pub G. Pubg is like at
the moment, the game I've been playing for since you
came out, and.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
I love it.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
But I won't let him play that because I'm not
interested in him playing games that are too violent. He
doesn't need to. There's there's so many good games.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
What games are you playing with your grandson at the moment, Lee.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
Well, just Minecraft? Yeah, he plays Halo.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, I took my kids. I took my kids through
all both my kids some big adventures. We played right
through co op on all the Halo games until the
one that came out they didn't have co op and
they were great adventures. And I think what you're saying, Lee,
is if that is I mean the idea that games
are blanket bad, but if like you, you can use
it as a bonding experience and spend time with your kids.

(36:48):
Especially Minecraft. Minecraft is an incredibly creative game. I mean that.
I mean that's akin to sitting down and playing Lego.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
With a kid.

Speaker 8 (36:55):
It's so much fun. I'll get a little bit angry
because tens that blow my stuff up?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
And how's your grandson?

Speaker 8 (37:05):
Eight?

Speaker 7 (37:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I mean is that part of you lee because you
have played games since you're eleven, as you mentioned, and
we know now with some of these online games that
they you can talk to other players. But we know
sometimes that gets a bit far. You know, it's not
a sanitized world sometimes. Do you worry about that? Or
are there things coming to the four that the developers
are quite clever on that Minecraft, for example, you can

(37:27):
shut down the talking to teammates and other players to
make it as safe as possible for young kids.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
Well, he just doesn't go on party chat with anyone
and literally see the thing is you can turn off
the blood on the likes of certain games, right, or
he can make it a different color. But the first
thing I did with him is say, well, this is
make believe. You know, that is just cartoons. This is
just you don't need to get angry at this game

(37:58):
because you can restart and start another game, you know.
So I've just pushed that right through, and he doesn't
get angry any other game. I mean, he's no longer
got a certificate of kindness, you know. So I think
getting angry is more about other things that are going
on in kids' lives, you know, And obviously it can

(38:22):
push off in a game, yeah, but I don't think
it's the game, it's creating it.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Abell, thank you so much for you call Lee and
good luck with your son and your gaming. So you know,
we're talking about gaming and isn't as bad as people
think it is, but there's no doubt there can be
too much gaming and that that can obviously be a problem.
And we've talked to a few people in the last
hour about anger issues with gaming, and I interviewed a
guy called las Lance Burdette. He wrote a great book

(38:50):
called Anxiety Is a Worry and he's an ex New
Zealand police negotiator and we're going to talk to him
after two o'clock because when I just he's got methods
of getting kids off devices that I think are really helpful.
But I couldn't quite remember the details of it, so
we'll talk to him after two.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yep, it is seven minutes to two. Back in the month.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
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Speaker 3 (39:20):
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We're gonna pick this back up about video games because
we're getting a heap of calls and texts on it.
If you're a gamer yourself, love to hear from you
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to ninety two
is the text number. If you're a parent worried about
your child gaming too much, keen to hear from you
as well. New Sport and weather is on the way.

(39:42):
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Speaker 3 (40:52):
That will be popular. But right now we have been
chatting about video games and the demonization I mean that's
my own words, demonization of video games, but clearly a
huge industry, hugely popular. Yeah, it's a new form of entertainment.

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Of the seventeen biggest Internet usage spikes this year in
New Zealand fourteen, we're for the video game Fortnite.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yea so.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Fortnite is an online video game and game platform that
was released in twenty and seventeen where you get dropped
into an island and you try and kill everyone and
be the last person alive as a circle descends on you.
Involves a lot of building and stuff. It's quite complicated,
but it's huge hugely popular.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Certainly is yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
But video games, you know, are they bad for you?
Because there have been some studies saying that there's some
cognitive advantages of video games. And I know that the
text machine's blown up saying that they don't believe any studies,
but you know, all studies are worth looking at and questioning.
There's also been some studies that say that in terms
of surgery, kids that have spent a lot of times
in video games end up being better surgeons. But Lance

(41:58):
Barnett bernet It was the national advisor for New Zealand
police crisis negotiation teams. He specialized in suicide intervention, on
predicting violent behavior, and on managing high risk incidents As
a negotiation instructor. He has written two excellent books, The
Dark Side of the Brain in twenty twenty and Anxiety
as a Worry, which was released in September this year. Hey, Larrence,

(42:19):
welcome to show. We're talking about video games now. In
your latest book, you had some advice on getting kids
off devices that I think would also work for kids
in video games. You don't believe you get a lot
of success demanding kids or forcing kids to get up devices.
How do you suggest getting kids to spend less time
on the things we believe to be unhealthy for them.

Speaker 16 (42:39):
Well, it depends a lot, and thanks for the opportunity.
It depends a lot on the type of game that
the person is on and whether they're actually accepted to it.
So some games are great, as you talked about, for
cognitive abilities, socialization a lot of people, you know, those
with autism and ADHD. It brings focus, et cetera. But
there's just the opposite of that. So it depends on

(43:00):
what study you look at. There's a study that I
looked at twelve thousand teenagers studied by Oxford University found
that forty four percent of heavy gamers had high well being.
But that worries me about the other fifty six percent, right,
So that means they haven't.

Speaker 9 (43:17):
So you can study what is it.

Speaker 16 (43:19):
There's lies down lies, and then it's statistics. So looking
at gaming gaming, it depends on the person itself. Now
there's types of games that we can wean people off
and onto. So the games that are highly addictive are
those hugely interactive, grand Theft, Auto, all of those, you know,
the violent type games. Anything that engages us and we

(43:42):
get the release of dopamine and a whole lot of
other positive neurotransmitters which causes the addictive. Now, the problem
with dopamine is it actually rewires our brain, and so
we become dependent on getting our hit every day by
having gaming, and so it is like any other addiction
where you do have to try and reduce that. And
so we can replace the games with things like a

(44:04):
bit slower, but they're still the same sort of thing. Tetris,
Candy Crush, Superman are Ra, and Paper Toss, bubble Wrap.
There's quite a few games like that that, believe it
or not, actually reduced anxiety as you play them. There
was a study done on PDSD.

Speaker 8 (44:19):
If you.

Speaker 16 (44:21):
Are involved in a significant stressful event, if you play
the game Tetris within six hours, it significantly reduces the
chances of getting PTSD. So it depends on the part
of the brain that's being used during the gaming. Is
the best I can give you as an answer.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Interesting, you're talking to me. When I interviewed at you
on another radio station about techniques to get kids off
you were talking about phones and you said that you
have to offer create an opportunity for the kid to
get off the phone. Themselves, so then they can have
I'm not sure if I'm getting this right, but the
dopamine hit by putting it down and coming to join

(44:59):
you in a positive activity. Would that work as well
with video games?

Speaker 16 (45:03):
Absolutely it would. Yeah, So that's the interim we have
to we have to have a break. You can can't
just suddenly say we'll go cold Turkey, not with young people.
Their brains and neuroplastic anyway, and it will actually I
forget the terminology for it, but when you say to
somebody you can't, that's a magnet from to do it.
So that's just kids' brains anyway, and so it's having

(45:26):
an infrom but it's given them that sense of control.
You know, we talk about willpower and determination et set
for taking devices and removing them away from children. Whilst
that might be helpful in the long term, but isn't
willpower and isn't this isn't having a sense of control,
being able to say when you can use it. You know,
having a phone sitting in front of you and just

(45:47):
staying to people you will not use that unto a
certain period of time. That's more beneficial than actually removing
it from them. So if we can put it in
their own hands. Give them that sense of control. You're
allowed on the phone, you're allowed. You're allowed to game
for one hour a day, and in between other times
you choose what you're going to do and what that does.

(46:08):
Give them that whole sense of control. And when you
say them, do you look, But you must let them
know that they've stopped gaming and they've done something else
so that they get the recognition of that. So, you know,
thanks so much of it, you've been off your device.
How does that make it feel? Have a little bit
of chat about it. What happens is they start to
realize that they're replacing the dopamine with playing the game

(46:30):
with not playing the game, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yes, So you might say, I remember you put it
this way, and I really enjoyed your book, your latest book,
but I haven't got it with me. But I think
you put it this way that you might say, when
do you think you might have an opportunity to join
us to do this activity how you put it?

Speaker 16 (46:50):
And then I might have been in a good place.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Essentially, it.

Speaker 16 (46:58):
Doesn't sound like the adult in me.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
They've made the choice to join you.

Speaker 16 (47:04):
Yeah, that's that's exactly right. I think I mean a
little bit generous us there because when some kids are
just going to say, listen, get off, but you must exactly. Yeah,
this is the thing. And now every every one of
us is different, but it's finding that that medium between.
If they go cold turkey, it's going to cause more

(47:25):
stress than good, right, and it'll actually disenfranchise you and
you know, cause us more discontent anything. So it's about
giving them that sense of control. Look, we want you
to come and do some activities across during the day. Again,
it depends on the age of the child, but certainly
we want you involved in this when would suit you.

(47:45):
And what that does is give them the ability to
make the control. Now I know that it depends on
the age because some kids are going to say, well,
I don't want.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
To at all.

Speaker 16 (47:52):
I don't want to be a part of us families.
So it's finding what works for you and the child
and really having the but giving the child the empowerment
of having some sense of control. Yes, you are going
to We are all when we're when we're very young,
we have to be told what to do. But the
thing around this is also as parents, we our children

(48:13):
mimic us and so if we are sitting watching TV,
that's an addiction from a child's point of view. Yeah,
you I game, you watch TV, that's your addiction. And
so we have to be mindful also that they are
watching us.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Is there something in at lance that if a parent
understands the game that the child's playing, And a lot
of these games are played online with their friends, so
there's no pausing or stopping. They might be in the
middle of a mission or doing something with their friends
and at that point in time that is the most
important thing to them. And if as a parent you
say no, you've got to come off it right now,
I don't care what mission you're in, then that sets

(48:49):
off something in the child's brain.

Speaker 16 (48:52):
Yeah, it does well. Apart from all these yeah, it
certainly does. Cortisol, et cetera. It's around saying, well, there
has to be boundaries. This is the thing around children particularly,
They have to have boundaries. We can't just allow them
to do whatever they want to because bad things will happen.
So if we can set some boundaries for them and
say no, you promised that you were off at this time,

(49:16):
but then allowing them to play for a certain number
of you know, an hour or two hours or three
hours so that they can set up the time that
they're going to be involved in that special operation. And
you know, you're talking my kind of language because this
has actually happened in real life with our.

Speaker 8 (49:31):
Family, right.

Speaker 16 (49:32):
So it's about having these rules at certain times and
allowing that child then to play that game because you
said they could. If we just suddenly walk in there
and change our mind and say no, that's it, you're off,
I'm sick of the stuff, then that's going to cause
a backlash of some sort. But again, we must always

(49:52):
set the boundaries for our children, because children don't know boundaries.
That's what they're looking for, particularly as teenagers. Teenagers want
to know where the boundary is and not take one
step over it to see what happens. They want to
know consequences as well, so we've got to remind them
of those.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Thank you so much, Laannce. And it was the national
advisor for New Zealand Police Crisis Negotiation Teams and his book,
Anxiety as a Worry is out now if you want
to check it out. It's a very good read.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah, fascinating, I love that. Right, we're going to pick
this back up about video games. If you're a parent
who has a child that loves their video games, love
to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
And if you're a gamer yourself, of course we want
to have a chat to you. Nine two nine two
is a text number.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I'm a gamer, me too.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
It is seventeen past two.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Your new home of afternoon Talk and Taylor Adams Afternoon Call.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 16 (50:45):
Said be.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Nineteen past two, Phil, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 12 (50:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (50:51):
Good, thanks, just sitting in the sitting in the summer storms.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah that was pretty crazy, wasn't it rumbled our whole
building just before I got a bit scared.

Speaker 9 (50:59):
Yeah, yeah, I love it, but I might have to
raise my voice or during this cour Yeah time time.
The conversations moved on a little while I've being on,
but I was just my first comment was just having
a laugh at some of those texts earlier. And on
two fronts. Firstly, the mode of communication they choose to
use where it seems to be those sorts of people.

(51:21):
I want to just throw shade at something and just
want to throw one liner out and then feel smoke,
whereas the people that actually want to engage in a subject.
It would be interesting to get a call from someone
who genuinely had a solid basis for such strong opposition
to video games. The other grounds also that I was
having a laugh at, well, a kind of a sad laugh,

(51:44):
is I think it's far more damaging to raise the
next generation with an idea that certain ways of thinking
that aren't your own qualify you as an nuviat or
a moron than it is to actually go down, go
down to trade and behavior that is less than ideal.
So I'd say someone who goes through life and waste

(52:06):
their life on video game is actually probably lived a
better life than someone who yeah, works at the local
mine with an idea that eveyone that doesn't as an
idiot and a moron. No, I could be debased on.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
That, but well get my point. This text here, for example,
Phil that I read out before Matt Tyler. If you
idiots think video games have any worth, you at idiots
and someone calls me an idiot but uses idiot twice
in the sentence rather than coming out yeah, definitely whilariously.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
Yeah, yeah, And I really like Glenn's call before that
it was a really, really good, solid call from someone
who has been playing games for a long time, and
it obviously puts it in context and life, And that
was along the same lines that I'm sort of ringing.
I've got on the late forties and I've got four kids,
the youngest nine, oldest fifteenth, and my base sort of

(52:56):
one liner is that I've been extremely surprised by how
positive the place of video games now in our family's
lives have been. I was your, well feel traditional sort
of mindset before I had kids at home. My kids
are never going to touch video games. They're never going
to touch an organic fight or all of that sort

(53:16):
of stuff. But you know, it's like, especially when you
have a few, you get a bit more pragmatic about things.
But I've actually been surprised that our kids on video
games has actually been a lot more positive than being
just simply the pragmatism of getting on with everyday life.
And that's what it's come down to sometimes, but it

(53:38):
hasn't dominated like the speak in the pragmatism. Sometimes it's
just a matter of trying to manage them as sort
of an electronic babysitter. So I'm not going to defend
that as a as a defense mechanism. But in the
longfull I think it's played out quite positively, especially like
and I'll speak with my youngest and oldest. My youngest, well, sorry,

(54:02):
my oldest is was never really into them, but she
to a little degree, but she really latched onto the
idea of just achieving and engaging and just through watching
YouTube videos in the right way, and she's that way
inclined that she was able to discover a lot of

(54:23):
theories about behavior and things like that through her own
self directed YouTube watching. And now she's you know, she's
she's going places really engaged, really highly intelligent, and highly motivated.
It can go the other way, of course, but men
switching to my youngest, like, he's he's similar, he's he's

(54:45):
just got this incredibly fast mind that just works overdrive
all the time, run rings around you.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
And he.

Speaker 9 (54:53):
Was kind of has gone through phase of the different games.
Minecraft was really dominant for a while, and then a
game called Geometry Dash, which I don't know if you're
aware of that one, And both of those games, especially Minecraft,
incredibly interactive, and he always wanted me to join them
in the games, and all I could my level of
skill skill extended only to be able to go around

(55:14):
and kill animals, which was hilarious to him, but just
witnessing the level of skill and creativity that he was
able to engage with his game on and the fact
that he actually wanted to draw others into his world
with him and sorry, I'm in a bit of a ramp.
So I think that's, to me is the biggest downer

(55:36):
potential of games is the fantasy aspect, where it removes
you into another world that you can control, and you
gain your emotional responses and your reward, your brain's reward mechanisms,
and your sense of achievement through an alternate universe that
doesn't have any impact in everyday life. So I think

(55:56):
the big thing for us has been that it's always
been in context.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And that's interesting when you talk about that game, because
this game is like dead Read Redemption right, and read
the Redemption too, And I played that quite a lot,
and then one day I realized that I was working
at night for my gang and read because you know,
it's it's a sort of a Wild West type game.
You around a horse, then you're going off and doing

(56:22):
missions to do work to bring back stuff for your
gang who is camping somewhere. And one day it just
struck me, what am I doing. I'm working a fantasy world,
and I'm going to be feeling a little bit stressed
because the amount of work I need to get done
and real dead redemption as well as the work I
have to do in my real life. But it's kind

(56:44):
of good in that case. What as doing is gaming
that natural don't mean it. I guess we get from
achieving things by working and achieving things, but that's just
all happening in a fantasy world and you don't go
anywhere with it. And that when I had that realization,
I just put that game down and walked away.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
Which I think, which I think is the key is
having that realization because what it actually does the positive
outcomers that is that it gives you that taste for
the achievement, and it gives you the taste for working
for that achievement, and it gives you the taste for
the value of the work that you do in and
of itself. You know, you know, you know, you have
to put the mahy in to get the reward, and
so that when you when you actually have a wake

(57:24):
up moment like that and come back to real life.
It can actually apply really practically as.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
As lesson and then actually start.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
Because I know with my son, he's we got him.

Speaker 16 (57:38):
Well.

Speaker 9 (57:38):
He went along to watch as all the sisters doing
skating lessons and he started getting into inline skating and
inline hockey and he absolutely loves it. So that's just
dominated like he can play a game now and put it,
pick it up and put it down, you know, but
in his mind hockey is where it's at, which is brilliant,

(58:00):
you know, to see the same thing applies, and the
same principles apply, the same mindset apply, and you know,
only just loves it. But I do know that at
the risk of going continuing to rant, you know, you
have to sort of take each one of themselves. And actually,
in our family, the biggest, the more of the dangerous

(58:21):
one has been watching YouTube. And I mentioned my oldest
thought before that very well for but some of the
other ones they can just get watching a mindless junk.
And what I found worked for them is at the
end of the day sort of say you know, what
sort of things did you watch today?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (58:39):
YouTube? And then I'll say what, you know, what did
you watch and then and then you'll do I can
sort of see the realization in their face that they
spend today and they don't actually they can't actually report
anything from it. They can't they haven't engaged with it
to a level where they're actually able to apply that.
And so then I can come in with my dad
lecture and say, y blah blah blah, it's good to

(59:01):
you know, do this about every day life and apply
this and stuff like that. But yeah, it comes back
to that thing. I've been really surprised for how possit.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, thank you so much for call Phil.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Like, for example, this morning, I got out of bed
and I watched four videos on ancient Rome, including how
they navigated without maps that were set to a scale.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
See that's learning. That is good. That is information you
can use.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
It's really interesting how they did navigate. They just had
a list of places and wherever you went, you said,
So they had the whole Roman Empire. They didn't know
how far things were apart, but so when you went somewhere,
it just said you go this, and then you'll need
a new horse, and then you'll walk that far and
you'll sleep there. But they didn't know how far things
were apart, very interesting, fascinating.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
But that's what YouTube's become, right, And I don't watch
too much YouTube, but is it almost like little short,
sharp dopamine hits like Instagram or TikTok Because I sit
there sometimes for hours at a time on Instagram just
watching these little thirty second videos and I think I'm
having a good time. But after a couple of hours,
I'm like, what did I watch?

Speaker 7 (59:58):
Well?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
The algorithm has spotted me as someone that likes anything
to do with ancient military campaigns. It just feeds them
up and I love it. Anyway, we're not talking about that.
We're talking about video games. Are they good? Are they bad?
And if you want to get your kids off them,
how do you go about it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yep, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
of call. It's twenty nine past two.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Video games here because of the seventeen biggest Internet usage spikes.
This year's fourteen with the video game Fortnite in New
Zealand has text on nine two nine two and we
will get you calls. We've got full lines there. High
gaming can be a problem if it's the only activity
the children engages in. That's hundred percent, isn't it. I mean,

(01:00:52):
you know, if there's some balance, and we would all
love them out as I said before, building tree hearts
and playing sport and going fishing and helping granddad mow
the lawns. But that doesn't always happen. Hey been gaming
since I was fourteen. I was found await Sorry. Was
always a way to stay connected with my friends and family,

(01:01:14):
especially if they moved to another city. I've always been
into sports and outdoors, but for winding down, gaming was
my go to over movies, Netflix or endlessly scrolling on
my phone. Like all things. There's some crappy games out
there that offer no value to our brains, but also
some games that do with in depth stories and puzzles.
Twenty seven hour and I still gain most nights. I
enjoy car games mainly, Yeah, game, I love it.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We are talking about Vidia
on the back of a study in New Zealand that
showed of the seventeen biggest internet usage spikes this year fourteen.
We're Fortnite updates, which is a massive online game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah, and so we're getting We're getting a lot of
video game love and a lot of video game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Hate here, which certainly are con comvercial, and you know a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Lot of video game middle ground where people say as
good in moderation as everything is. But look, if you've
got if you're worried about your kids being on video
games too much, or yourself for that matter, because I've
definitely been worried about myself being on video games too
much in the past. Yeah, how do you get yourself
off and how do you get other people off? Or
do we not need to worry about it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Yep? Great text here before we go back to the
phone calls. Getay, guys, I'm an avid gamer. The biggest
issue that no one talks about with the current video
game industry is the amount of blatant gambling mechanics present
in most populy popular games. The legislation is woefully behind
on this front. Gambling is immensely, immensely dangerous for children,
which is why casinos are so heavily legislated. But they

(01:04:04):
can spend tens of thousands on loopboxes in games out
any issue. I've spent a bit on loop boxes, I've
got to say.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, I mean there's no doubt, you know, there's the
war for your attention. There's only twenty four hours in
a day, and we're asleep for some of it. We've
got so many big tech companies trying to eat into
our time for gain, and video games is just another
one of them, along with the YouTube and Netflix and
talk bag radio.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, Jordan, how are you mate?

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:04:35):
I just wanted to give a perspective on gaming. So
myself as a gamer, you know, growing up with games
probably from childhood all the way to know as an adult.
So I think I started around PlayStation one era, so
back in the nineties and I'm twenty nine now, you know,
hold a stable job, work really hard, nine to five

(01:04:58):
Monday to Friday, and yeah, I think it's I don't
think it's a negative thing at all. In fact, there's
a lot of there's a way more positives from gaming
than than any negatives. So in terms of Fortnight, so
we're talking about that. So you dropped into this this

(01:05:18):
arena where it's the last man standing, and there's actually
quite a few skills that I'm sure kids today are
learning and using, you know, while playing. So there's you know,
cognitive development with strategizing of you know how you're going
to win. You just land on this map, you have
to decide where to go next, where you know hazard

(01:05:40):
we plan and attacks to different teams. There's there's map awareness,
you know where you're on the map, having to keep
track of where you're at. There's when it gets fast paced,
there's like your hand and eye coordination, your reaction times.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
The building building is incredible because you know, I started
off playing Fortnite right at the start and I could
keep up, but then the skills on the building of
the forts is just phenomenal.

Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
Now, yeah, it's crazy. And then as a lot of
other people pointed out, there's also you know teamwork with communications,
so it's a great way to chat with friends or
even new make new friends online, you know, and really
yeah escape I guess the real world for some for

(01:06:27):
some teens even, And then when you get to puzzle games,
there's also there's like planning on that. So it's like
I want to achieve this goal. What do I have
to do first? Like I should do X, then Y that,
and then finally I can reach my goal. There's there's
a lot more to it. And if we compare it
to other technologies that we have today, with the likes

(01:06:49):
of social media, with Instagram, reels or tech talk, you know,
it's it's way better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Oh yeah, the brain rot of just watching sixty second
clips and just going through I mean that that the
problems that's doing to people's attention span is nothing on
what video games are doing. I mean video games you
have to be engaged, you have to have to be
part of it. Now, Jordan, has there been times in
your life though, when you thought you're gaming too much
and you've tried to cut back.

Speaker 13 (01:07:19):
There has been a few times. But yeah, that's one
point I want to I wanted to say, is everything
in moderation. So I mean I I did gaming throughout
my studying, you know, us studying and now even at
work and not sorry during work, but whilst working after good,
good day at work. But yeah, I think I think

(01:07:41):
you just have to learn that balance. And for parents
it should be everything in moderation. So you know, if
if the kids doing well, they're doing their homework and
they do all their chores, then should give them some
time to play the game, but don't let them do
whatever they want. And whenever they want, you know, to
play games that it should be definitely in moderation one

(01:08:05):
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And games isn't it when you you say you did
it between work. But it's funny because you know, in
the times when I played a lot of video games,
it's normally when I've got something else on, then they're fun.
But if you say sick for a week, then video
games get really boring. If you've if you've got aunt
time to play them, then then they burn out pretty quickly.

Speaker 13 (01:08:28):
And you can actually see that a lot with So
there's a lot of gamers that stream on Twitch, and
a lot of them actually talk about the burnout of
having to you know, stream that becomes their main career
and it's like they have to stream them playing games
every day and how it takes the fun out of it.
So yeah, definitely that's another another aspect. Yeah, yeah, definitely

(01:08:50):
in moderation. That's the key point. No, I just want
to quickly leave one other story with you. So this
this ties into workplace and gaming. So I myself work
in the IT industry, and I guess you could say
it's a bit cliche or or you know whatever, but
we are you know, some gigs, I guess, or nerds.

(01:09:11):
So we do play games. And what we decided two
years ago now that on a Friday night we were
all going to hop on and play some games. So
we try to find ones that are cross platform to
include the most amount of colleagues that wanted to join.
And we did this late at night, so after everyone's

(01:09:32):
put their kids to bed and you know, everything's all
good for the for the day and the weekend head
and this has actually created a really positive environment at work.
So you know, we it takes like our play with
my manager and we've played with other buses that have
joined the core, and it takes out all of that

(01:09:54):
and gives us like a neutral environment where you know,
your job title becomes irrelevant and then team building begins
and with the communication, shared loft and fun when it's lasting,
positive associationations and memories like I've had some of the
like that was a high out of the week. For
some weeks, it's like getting on with the colleagues and

(01:10:15):
having a good gaming session.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
So yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you so much for
you for your insights there, Jordan. That's really interesting. That's
socializing part of it, because a lot of people have
this fewer video games where it's just a person in
their room by themselves with their headphones on, screaming and yelling.
But there is a social aspect to it where you
can get together and you're not driving across town and

(01:10:40):
you're not meeting up at a parble or meeting up
you know, together out at someone's house, but you are
meeting up and you are interacting with people, and then
when you see them again, you have this shared experience
that you've had with them. And that's probably hard for
some people to understand. They haven't been involved in that,
and they just see it as this sort of pointless
virtual world where you're not really experiencing anything and you're
operating in fantasy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
But you can be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Operating with other human beings and all the politics that
that takes and all the socializing and friends, but you know,
you'd hope you'd also have a real face to face
aspect of that friendship as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
There's a few of my friends that did it and
I could never be involved because I had an Xbox
three sixty, which is an older model console for mine
had to lag something wicked. But yeah, I sometimes felt
like I missed out a little bit when we got
round at the pub and the boys were talking about
black ops and taking down the team, and I thought, man,
I've got to get on that. But oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

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is a quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
They'd be thirteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
We're talking about video games, and like a lot of issues,
it ends up not being an answer black and white
answer are they good? Are they bad? This text as
an example of that on nine two nine two. Hi, guys,
It's hard for me as my son loves Fortnite. He
talks to his friends and it does help him bond
with them. However, he did turn into the world's biggest
shit every ever since he started playing Attitude big time.

(01:12:10):
Admittedly he probably shouldn't play, but also he has so
much fun with his mates. Stuffy the way. I guess that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Sums it up, doesn't It.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Sums up a lot of the modern problems that we face.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
The eve. How you I'm good?

Speaker 6 (01:12:25):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
You've got a seven year old who's quite a talented gamer.

Speaker 12 (01:12:30):
He's very talented. He can beat any adult.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Oh yeah, and what does he play?

Speaker 12 (01:12:35):
He plays Fortnite?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And are you happy with him playing Fortnite? Do you
see any bad bad outcomes from it? Or is it
all positive?

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:12:44):
It looks he his school team two weeks ago got
food in basketball on the North Shore. Last week his
team got first in the touch on the north Shore.
He plays tick boxing and he's also got his own
set of golf clubs and he can do a round
of golf.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
He's talented.

Speaker 12 (01:13:05):
Boy, he's a success story from our ome ranging Tamariki.
But he you know, it doesn't take away from the
sports or anything like that playing those games. In fact,
he's got great hand eye coordination.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
And as I understand, it Eve's it's great for and
I think a few callers and Texas have mentioned that.
But Fortnite particularly, there's a lot of problem solving involved
in that game, is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
Yeah, it's quite a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:13:36):
And he's always getting the fully crowned wins, which I
don't understand anything about because I'm too old for that.
But but you know, it hasn't got any negative side
effects as far as I can see.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, But I guess what you've got there is the
perfect situation there. It sounds like you've got a grandson
that's achieving across a lot of different things, and that's great.
But if it was only Fortnite or Fortnite a lot
of the time, and he wasn't doing these amazing things
in touch and and other things, then you would probably

(01:14:10):
start worrying, wouldn't you eat?

Speaker 11 (01:14:13):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:14:13):
I probably would, But I think it's the amount of
time you spend with a child. I mean, I'm seventy
six and I have custody of him for custody, so
my whole life revolves around him and what he wants
to do, and if he wants to do something, I'll
make sure it happens. I mean, most parents are so

(01:14:36):
tied up with trying to make a living that trying
to do the house where and keep everything on top
of everything. I can understand why they find it a problem.
Life for pearents is so damned hard, whereas my life

(01:14:57):
revolves around him and that's well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Lucky boy, and it sounds like it's all working out
great for him.

Speaker 16 (01:15:03):
And for you.

Speaker 12 (01:15:04):
Well it is, you know, I mean, there was no
other alternative. You know, it goes on as it does.
But I can understand why parents get frustrated, and you know,
and it could cause a problem for some because you knows,
depending on their temperament. I mean, I've never had a
meltdown with mine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Thank you so much for your call, Eve, And that's
the positive side of video gaming. It is interesting when
you look back into you know, archaeo anthropology, it does
appear that in you know, previous iterations before modern society,
that that's how things used to work, That the parents
would work and the grandparents would bring up the kids. Yeah, yeah,
because they had you know, when you had the most energy,

(01:15:43):
you would unleash it onto productive work and hunting and
gathering and such, and the grandparents would would be the
ones that looked after the kids. There's there's a certain
logic to that. There are bangs of granny flat. Granny
flat exactly everyone lived together and the grandparents bring up
the kids. Let's go yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.
Call nine two nine two is the text number. It
is eight minutes to three.

Speaker 14 (01:16:10):
The issues that affect you and a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons You for twenty twenty four News Talks edby.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
News Talks ed b It is six to three and
been having a great discussion about video games.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Yeah, so of the seventeen biggest Internet usage spikes this
year fourteen with a Fortnite Updates, which is a video game.
And we've gone back and forth those who love video
games and think they're great for your brain, and there's
a few studies that go that way, yeah, and other
people that say it's turned their kids into absolute monsters
and they don't know what to do with themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
But I hate out there some great text all coming
through on nine two, nine and two. Kiday, guys, I
let our young lads play those games, like you say,
helps worth cognitive skills, problem solving and reactions. One is
obsessed with football, so he just plays FIFA twenty four.
One loves racing card games. We have a four year old.
We don't let play. It's better than them watching morons

(01:17:07):
on YouTube. Don't get me started on more morons on YouTube.
I've rediscovered a love for video games myself. How good
are they now? Favorite modern games The Batman Arkham series,
Great Game, Great Games, Unchanted, Great Games, and The Last
of Us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah, oh great games.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Well, my kids look at me when I play those games.
They call them old man games, the Uncharted or the
Last of Us when you go on a journey, and
they're story based games. My husband is an avid gamer.
He's a professional, holds down a steady job as a
leader in the insurance industry, and actively engaged in their
family gaming as his hobby. He loves connecting with others
in the fortnite community and has made great friends all

(01:17:44):
over the world. I'd much rather a husband who has
who is at home and gaming over the weekend than
a husband who is out getting drunk with his mates.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
Go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
That's the socializing aspect of it, although I would say
than any proper socializing you need to have a face
to face aspect to it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yeah, yeah, you can't just be at home gaming all
the time. It's their balance And.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Here goes to text. It probably sums it all up.
It all goes back to balance. We saw often want
to say something is good or bad, but it's all
and how we work with it. I mean, that's that's
the truth. So when I asked the question at the
start as gaming good or bad, it's probably somewhere in
the middle. Its terrible for some people, it is okay
for some people, and it's great for some other people.
But one thing's for sure, it's hugely popular and only

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getting more popular.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Absolutely, we have to deal with it. Yep, we certainly do.
Great discussion. Really enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
And finally, when's another Uncharted coming out? I'd kill for
another Uncharted?

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Did you love the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
I know the movie was terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
I love that movie. Oh so we din't even have
a misstart right after three o'clock. Reminder, we got Dykingwood
coming up in about half hour. Good afternoon, it is
twelve past three, and today we are talking to Julie
from About Health about healthy aging in Great Sleep. Julie
tell Us what have you got that can help?

Speaker 9 (01:19:01):
Hi, Tyler.

Speaker 15 (01:19:02):
Look, we're all getting older. It's a privilege, really, that's
the way I see it. But for some of us
that can feel a bit daunting. But you know, getting
older it doesn't have to mean wearing out. Certainly, you've
got to pay better attention and look after ourselves, you know,
a lot more than we did in our youth. But
age alone, you know, that's not a reason just to

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stop doing.

Speaker 12 (01:19:23):
The things that we love.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Absolutely, So what are some of the things we can
do to take better care of ourselves?

Speaker 12 (01:19:28):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:19:28):
Look, you know it's a.

Speaker 15 (01:19:29):
Lot of the basic common sense things, but they really
do make a big difference. And I think it's kind
of you know, it's the habits. It's the things that
we do or don't do on a regular basis that
make the difference. So that's things like not smoking, exercising regularly,
eating well most of the time, managing our stress levels,
getting good sleep. So now that's you know, groundbreaking of course,

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but sometimes it's not easy to do all of those things,
or for some of us, doing those things alone is
you know, that's not enough, So we need to look
at giving those extra nutritional boosts and of course that's
where things like a good quality supplement can really help.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
You're not wrong, and of course we all know there
are no magic pills that can replace all of them,
sensible good choices like you say, July, eating well and exercising.
But you do have some supplements that can help us
along our aging journey.

Speaker 15 (01:20:16):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know there's nothing wrong with accepting
a bit of help sometimes, right, And so the way
I see it a matter of trying to do is
many of those good things that you can do for
yourself without getting overwhelmed. Yeah, yeah, I have a list.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I like to take a box. That's how I roll handy.

Speaker 15 (01:20:33):
I've taken my supplements, I've done my this, I've done
with that in a way I go carry on. Yes,
it's a little insight into my personality there, but yeah,
So we've got a number of products that are designed
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much much more. And there's thousands of key with Tyler
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Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
So to make this easy for your customers, you've put
your three most popular supplements and one peg. N Ulye
tell us what do we get in this pack and
how will they help with our aging and sleep.

Speaker 15 (01:21:13):
Yeah, well, our customers have been buying them together anyway,
so we thought, well, you know, they know what's going on,
let's put it together to make it easier and also
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and Deep Sleep Pack, and it does what it says. So,
and then we've got the Lesser's Oil, which is our
fish oil based supplement, so that supports your healthy joints,
your heart, your brain, your eyes. We've got the res

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v Ultimate in there too, also helps with aging by
protecting your cells from things like ox stative damage. Resve
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they feel when they're taking it. It's also great for
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third and final one in there is the element twelve magnesium.
So magnesium is probably you know, I would say it's

(01:21:55):
the most gentle thing to try first up, if you're
looking to improve your sleep. It helps relax our nerves
and our muscles, and it can really help you get
that good quality deep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Sleep, absolutely, and protecting ourselves is clearly pretty important, Julie,
but the benefits are not perhaps is obvious or tangible
as say, getting enough sleep.

Speaker 15 (01:22:13):
Yeah, you know about that immediately, don't you. But if
your cells are not functioning well, then you know you're
going to be presented with health challenges at some point.
It might be a bit later on that you notice it,
but you know, things catch up. I guess it's the
short story, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:22:29):
Sleep?

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Of course?

Speaker 15 (01:22:30):
Yeah, we know if we don't get enough sleep, and
it feels pretty terrible to be honest, doesn't it. And
it has a massive impact on our day. It's all
linked though, you know. So if our cells are functioning better,
then good sleep is more likely. And with good sleep,
our whole body, our brain, our heart, our immune system,
our mood, our energy, our focus, everything will.

Speaker 11 (01:22:49):
Work better too.

Speaker 9 (01:22:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Good sleep is huge, and we've talked about it in
the past, some sleep statistics, and without getting into details,
it's safe to say there will be a big percentage
of our listeners right now who have experienced some level
of sleep problems at some point.

Speaker 15 (01:23:05):
Yeah, this end of the year stuff won't be helping
with that, I'm sure. But yeah, there's lots of studies
and the figures do vary, but there was one done
on Kiwi adults that show that more than a quarter
of the people they surveyed felt tired upon waking up
nearly every day. It's crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mentioned that's probably on the conservative
side as well, So it's definitely something to get some
help with, along with support for healthy joints, heart and
brain so we can keep living the lines we love.
So on that note, Julie, how can we get these
great healthy aging and sleep supporting supplements.

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Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on US Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Us Talks EDB. It's twenty two past three and we
welcome to the mat and Tyler afternoons on zb ACC
head Mania, Stewart, Syday Mate, discuss the cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Good motion and thank you very much for the promotion.
I'll be approving my own pay rise after this. We're
in a difficult position now because Cain Williamson is on
ninety four and that's that's a difficult time to discuss
cricket because you don't want to compliment the man. You
don't really want to mention anything about it because we'll
be blamed. He doesn't make it. And this is something

(01:28:10):
that the a SEC has faced a lot of criticism
over the years about, is the level and frequency with
which we dish out commentator's curses. So it is, it's funny.
Once you get into the situation, the commentary becomes quite
difficult because you don't want to say anything lest he's
dismissed in the next ball and it's your fault. It's
difficult to commentate a cricket fixure without ever complementing your team.

(01:28:31):
So Ma and I, we're leading by four hundred and
twenty four runs. How far do you think we'll push that? Yeah,
I mean obviously five hundred's the first thing that comes
into your mind. But you're going to remember this is
day three and they're going to play till about seven
o'clock tonight because of the rain delay. And this English team,
I mean, if ever there was a team that could
chase down five hundred, it's probably this team. So I

(01:28:54):
wonder if these boys are going to try and bat
for time as opposed to a particular score. I mean,
you look, we're two twenty for three in this inning,
so we've got plenty in the hutch and that two
twenty for three you're going to remember is will ow'
rourke who was a night watchman. So it's really too
twenty for two. So I think they're going to try
and stay out there for as long as possible. And
there's of course the interesting case of being Tim Soudy's

(01:29:17):
last game. Yeah, currently sitting on ninety eight sixes. Yes,
so if we declare and don't allow Tim Southey in
his last game to try and hit two sexes, which
sounds crazy and juvenile and outside of the spirit of
Test cricket. But if we don't allow that, I'll be furious. No, well,
it's own patriotic, isn't it. I mean he is one

(01:29:38):
of the record as we see another sex there Williamson
and has brought up the ton? Is that the ton?
The time we've done it with a sex and that's
really led us off the hook.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
We can now talk about it partnership.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
That's century thirty three for Cain Williamson, I believe, And
just how much do we love that man? We can't
love him anymore? Every innings he gives us something to
love more and a very subdued, classically subdued celebration. The
straight back on let's get back into it. But you're right, Tim,
I think if we see Tim Southy come out in

(01:30:11):
the next couple of workouts, that sort of an indication
that we're about to But he because like you said,
he's on ninety eight career test sixes. If he goes
to one hundred, he will then be third all time
behind Ben Stokes and Bas McCallum, both in the ground. Yeah,
but also he isn't a batsman, so his percentage of

(01:30:32):
sixes to balls faced is astronomical compared to everyone else. Well,
it's ridiculous. It's when you're grown up. As a kid,
all you want to do is bowl fast and hit sixes,
and that's exactly what he's done in his career. But
as a New Zealander sometimes we've wished that he hadn't
gone out and just tried to smash sixes and maybe
stuck around at the crease a little bit longer. I
think he averages about seventeen balls and innings something like that.

(01:30:53):
But I think that's that's a hangover from the bas
era as well, because Beas just told the tail enders, look,
you suck at batting. You're not a good better, so
go out there and just have a heave. You know,
you might as well score twelve quick runs and then
get out. Speaking of he a heave came Limbs just
followed up that six with a four to move to
one hundred and four. So look, we're looking very good.

(01:31:15):
But as you say, England, with their bears ball ways,
we want to have at least five hundred on them.
I do wonder if perhaps you know, there's been rumors
coming from around the country at various flash golf courses
that these boys, this English team have been really enjoying
their golf over the last few weeks. I've heard rumors
that their target each game has been to be done
by the third day. I did hear in that last

(01:31:37):
test that they had a tea time booked on the
fifth day. So I just wonder if maybe there's a
bit of fatigue sitting in in the English team. Yeah, well,
we've paid the deposit and you can't get that back
at the flash golf courses so much. And I Stewart
and if you see a camel when you were watching
the footage that was sent down there by the ACC
to celebrate Tim Southey in his final game. He's known

(01:32:01):
as the sexy camel, and I think it's been a
great celebration for him. Yeah, ugly camel. We've had a
lot of feedback on the camel the main of the
animals underneath its neck as opposed to on the top,
and camels actually don't have top teeth, but this one does.

Speaker 7 (01:32:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Yeah, but I've got a weird to pay on its
hump as well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
But anyway, come on the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Black Caps, give the taste the kiwi.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Yeah, good to see you mate. It is twenty seven
past three. Headlines coming up. Then we're going to catch
up with Die Henward. Looking forward to that. You listen
to Matton Tyler back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Jus talks, they'd be headlines.

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With blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue bubble.
Bad weather has delayed and diverted a number of flights
across the country, many in or out of Queenstown and
several into Wellington. Stat sun Z saying domestic affares rose
nearly eleven percent in November on the month before, and
accommodation also went up almost seven percent. Relief for eighteen

(01:32:59):
thousand Woolwards workers with a new collective agreement giving minimum
wage increases over the next two years and a new
multi skilled rate. A warrants out for the arrest of
a twenty eight year old suspected of murder after a
Lower Hut shooting last week. Regarded as armed and dangerous.
Police have named Wipu Hada Carpane wanted to after thirty

(01:33:21):
nine year old Albert Enoka died at Seton Street in
a gang related incident. The Department of Conservations asking for
public feedback on Fuckerpappa Holding's limited application for a ten
year lease on Mount Rupehu to take over the ski
area and six buildings. Auckland Hospital staff criticized nightmare new

(01:33:43):
ninety five million dollar IT system causing treatment delays. Find
out more at enzid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eathan
Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty nine to four.
Because it's our last week, we're introducing a new segment
for this week only Great New Zealanders of Christmas series,
and today we are delighted to welcome and Die Henward,
comedian author, documentary make and all around good key. We
get a die, Yeah Die.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
How did you guys beat Olympians International Rugby players, politicians
and warriors in the six hole Ambrose format at the
Royal Auckland and the Grange Golf Club. How the hell
did you win that one?

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Die?

Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
Well, we were You say that the politicians would be
easy beats, but they were the team we were directly
up against, and we had politicians from all over the
political spectrum, from right to far right. We had John Key,
David Seymour and Max Key, John Key and Max lovely

(01:34:46):
guys and phenomenal golfers. David Seymour. I was really intrigued
just to see how he swings a golf club and
having done Dancing with the Stars with him, he was
surprisingly more fluid than I was expecting. Yeah, but basically
what we did is Jeremy Wells myself combined our powers,

(01:35:09):
threw them away and let Mark Richardson do all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Yeah, there's something about an international sports person that makes
him very good at golf as well. No matter who
you are, you can be a funny guy that you are.
You can be you know, the sort of zombie that
sits beside Hillary Barry on a couch somewhere. But when
it comes to sports, they cross code, don't they.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
Absolutely, they especially the cricketers and okay, sports sports people
really that ingrain competitive streak sinks in, you know, like
Mark Richardson had had a bit of a not of
chakra off the tee, but he hit it out of
bounds and then he just dialed in and didn't have

(01:35:58):
a bad shot after that. Whereas I got there early,
I was looking. I was looking for Jerry. He was
on the range and you'd know this, Matt. I thought
Jerry was a very stiff mid sixties man when I
saw him from afar, He's got a very stiff gate
about him. And then up close I saw him and

(01:36:21):
he was really warming up and he played some amazing golf.
So I'd say I didn't let the team down, but
I was very much.

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
The vibe guy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
But did Jeremy have some drinks on the course.

Speaker 6 (01:36:35):
Yeah, he was running quite a timed operation on it
as well. His caddy was mainly trying to keep him
I think between point six and point eight on the
breastlider the entire time. He wasn't concerned about clubs. He
was concerned about Okay, we go two beers, then a
hole off, then one more bear. He's keeping him at

(01:36:57):
at a perfect level and how it worked.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Yeah, you won who had the drive power? Die, I
take it you would have taken that on. You know,
Jerry's got the reach, but you're a powerful man.

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
Oh that's the thing. I have sort of quite a
buff Winning the Pooh type for Zeke and I a
low center of gravity, but I can really smack it.
And the best thing is a lot of the people
standing around the t box they weren't They didn't know
a lot about golf, so all they cared was if

(01:37:29):
you hit the leather off it. So I hit my
one of my drives. I think a couple of holes
over over an entire forest of trees, and they probably
got the biggest applause of the whole afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Yeah, no one kids as straighted as and like Winnie
the Pooh, you play with no pants on as well.
Hey yeah, Die? What was your highlight for What was
highlight for you in twenty twenty four, Die.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
I like for me in twenty twenty five, I'd have
to say was making this cancer documentary and putting a
book out because it was something that was obviously very
close to me. I'm still going through a journey with cancer,
but it was unlike sort of just making stuff that's
purely comedy. That's me talking rubbish. This actually has turned

(01:38:17):
out to become quite a poignant sort of cancer resource
for people who are on a similar trial or have
loved ones going through it. And the feedback and love
I've got from all sections in New Zealand has massively
helped me on my journey, and I have to say
it's the bit of work I'm most proud of.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Well, I can thoroughly recommend your book and that documentary.
It's phenomenal stuff quality but will also rip your heart out.

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
Oh thanks mate, And yeah, it was so nice being
able to just get it out there. And also alongside that,
just been traveling around New Zealand, going back to the
old school roots because, as you said at the beginning,
media isn't an interesting situation. There's a few less TV
bits and bobs than I normally do, so I've been

(01:39:08):
doing a lot of live shows like the old days
and it's been awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Yeah, just on the feedback that you got, Die, I
imagine for a lot of families out there dealing with
it it can be a bit of a lonely journey.
Has that been nice to you know, share your own
journey and get that feedback and say, hey, we're not
alone in this. We you know, there's other people that
we can learn in our own journey.

Speaker 6 (01:39:30):
Oh, Blie is so right, mate, because it's it's weirdly
is something that is a very lonely journey. However, so
many people are affected by it, you know, like it's
a disease that's everyone knows someone who's going through it.
And the best feedback I've had is wives of your

(01:39:52):
classic ki we males who are going through cancer. They
don't really talk about their feelings and why it's get
in touch with me going hey, now I know what
my husband's going through because he keeps it tight lipped.
He keeps stoic for me and the family. So being
able to provide a bit of understanding. And also every

(01:40:12):
day I'm getting emails from people all over the country
and that's amazing connecting with them so now, but I'm
super proud of that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
So we are loving this chat. If you just hold there,
we're going to pick it up very shortly. We're talking
to Die Henwood as part of our Great New Zealanders
of Christmas series. It is twenty three to four, back
with Die very shortly here on News Talks 'DB.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty eight madd Eath and Tyler Adams afternoons
News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
It is twenty to four. We're back with Die Henwood, comedian,
author and all around great kiwi as part of our
Great New Zealanders of Christmas series.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Now, you and I are big fans of philosophy. We
punish each other quite regularly with it. What piece of
feedback or advice has resonated most with you this year?

Speaker 11 (01:41:02):
It's weird.

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
It's the piece of feedback that's always there and is
the hardest thing to do because every cancer patient goes
you know, the bit that you read that you passed
on and then I'm trying to do is the living
at the moment bit, right, because with when you're going

(01:41:23):
through cancer treatment, say you're doing chemo every second week
or something, that week off when you actually feel vaguely
okay can feel like so such a long time. So
if you can just live in the moment, which is
the hardest thing, and my sort of piece advice for

(01:41:43):
trying to live in the moment is to sit down,
just close your eyes and try and hear every single
sound that you can. And that's really worked for me.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Yeah, I mean that's something and it sounds tripe for
someone that isn't going through what you're going, but that's
that's just true for everyone and everyone because everyone's everything's
fine out, everything's everything's here for a short amount of time,
and so yeah, if you can take a sick in
to enjoy what is here, it's phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
Hey, we also just quickly everyone Everyone thinks of their
time on this planet in years, like in terms of
I'm on it for so many years. But if you
do that, all you're comparing it to is the time
you're not on the planet, which is infinity. So it
doesn't matter if you're here for a short time or
no matter how long you're here, it's always a short time.

(01:42:34):
Just enjoy today, that's all it matters.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, nice, he said, So what does Christmas look like
for the Henwood family.

Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
Oh, it's a bit of a good looking Christmas. My
mom comes up from Wellington. She bases herself pe Har,
beautiful spot in west Auckland. My wife's family is sort
of West Auckland as well. So we just we just
trapes our way through the way Tuckertes eating good food
and end up aut it, end up about it pe

(01:43:04):
Har doing a fine a little present unwrapping with the
kids and a and a big turkey feed. Then I
inevitably I can't stand Christmas pudding, so I just douse
it with too much brandy and try and burn the
house down.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
It's a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
You got some of the plug die Have you got
somebody to plug tour next year? I understand?

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
Oh yeah, for next year. I've been trying to do
it to her, which has taken me so long between
cancer treatments. It's my die Hard show. You saw bits
and bobs of it in the in my cancer documentary.
And I'm going to Taranaki and Apo with the Hawks Bay.
Actually I'm over in Hastings and down at in the
cargo and you can go to laugh with die dot

(01:43:46):
com for all the details.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Well, that leads nicely into the next question, best Christmas movie,
Best Christmas song.

Speaker 6 (01:43:54):
It's I mean, I've never been a big Christmas songs person.
For me, Merry Christmas brackets. I hope you don't fight
tonight by the Ramones as a Cracker of a June.
I love Pogue's fairy Tale of New York, which is
that's just that's the one that put on at the

(01:44:16):
end of Christmas when everyone's a bit sozzled and once
they have a single wong and listen to the words.
And the Christmas movie is the animated version of The Grinch,
who came out twenty eighteen and just my kids, both
of them loved it, and that's the one that we
tend to watch two or three times in the lead

(01:44:38):
up to Christmas, and it puts me in the mood.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
You like that one over the Gymas? You like that
one over the Ron Howard Jim Carrey one.

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
Yeah, I do. Actually, I don't know. I never gelled
with the Jim Carrey one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Well, I see both of them in the top ten
on Netflix. So people love the Grinch and but the
State of the top ten on Medpho it's a very
good poin. Okay, finally you got a message for New
Zealand for twenty twenty five day.

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
Look, my message to the whole of New Zealand, and
it needs to spread through the world, is we need
to bring a little bit more love to proceedings and something.
I think we should all bring back the civilized disagreement
where you can just have a conversation with someone, argue

(01:45:36):
a point, and then have a hug at the end
of it. We don't need to flame war each other.
Who cares if people believe different things, we can all
live under the same tent. And I mean I grew
up with My parents had friends on completely the opposite
side of the political spectrum, but they were best mates.
They'd have a few wines, have a spracking argument, and

(01:45:59):
then we'll be cooking bacon sandwiches together the next morning.
So civilized disagreements, bring them back and spread a bit
more loveless.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
If you die, you're a great New Zealander. Thanks so
much for talking to us. Have a great Christmas and
look forward to hang out with you in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (01:46:14):
I love you all, celebrate well and take care.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Well. What a great New Zealand to die him with is? Eh?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Yeah, he's a fantastic individual. And life Live and Let
Die a documentary. It's in three parts. It's fantastic and
you can watch it now on three Now. Just go
and check that out. All three episodes are available came
out in September this year, but yeah, Evergreen, you could
watch that anytime and got a text through that came

(01:46:45):
through here. Hi, boys, I read Dye's book when I
was diagnosed with prostate cancer and in between the operation
to remove it and radiation. Please pass on to him
that it was the best thing I could have done
for me personally in reading his book, and that I'm
an awe of him. His story was inspirational help me immensely,
and I've passed it on to many other people. Thanks mate.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Love that. And just a reminder, die as the first
of our great New Zealanders of Christmas series that we'll
be doing all week this week because it's our last
week and it's close to Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
He was talking about The Grinches being his favorite Christmas movie.
There's a brand new Christmas movie out at the moment
called Red One that I watched it out on Amazon
Prime Video and it stars The Rock and Chris Evans
and it's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
It's got the lowest rating Rotten Tomatoes. The critics absolutely
hate it, but as is happening more and more these days,
critics hate movies, but the people love it. So it's
got a ninety five percent rating by the people that
watch it, like me everyday people, and thirty percent from critics.
It's just a silly movie. It's such a good time.

(01:47:53):
We watched it last Night's say. It's like an action
movie played out compredibly seriously, but it's just the Rock
as the Santa's special personal security and Santa gets Kit basically,
and then it played out right through the world of
fantasy creatures, giant polar bears, fights with snowmen, but played

(01:48:17):
so seriously and straight. It's funny in parts, but it's
funny in the way like die Hard would be funny.
The Rock just plays it so straight, and Chris Evans
is really good in it. And I think people got
confused because it came out in the movie theater and
people see, what's the point in this movie? Who's at four?
Because that is a good question. It's not really for kids,
but it's a Santa movie. It's more of an action movie,

(01:48:40):
so it's sort of trying to thread the needle between
people that love Christmas and people that love action movies,
which I guess Diehard does. But it's JK. Simmons is
a great Santa calls I love him.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Yeah, but it's what you wanted there, Tommy A year
RW if you don't always want to think, you just
want to be entertained, and you have some explosions and
you get some Christmas in there, and there's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
A lot of creativity in as well. But I also
think there's a difference between a movie that you go
to and see it in the theaters and something that
pops up on a dreamer, and the stakes are a
lot higher if you've gone to the theater see it.
And I think people went read One because it was
it was going to have a theatrical release and that
was going to go to the streamers, and I think
people went, I'm not going to go and see an

(01:49:22):
Action Center movie what in the theater? But I loved it.
I loved it so much and I watched it and
then and then I tried to watch it again. Oh really,
the Double Women you straight away?

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Yeah, yeah. You know when the critics hate something but
the audiences love it. But Mave does this awful thing.
When we're looking to find a movie to watch on Netflix,
and we'll find something and before we watch that, I'll
just look up what the critics think of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Never never do it because the critics don't love movies.
They critics. They watch a movie looking for a reason
to criticize it. They're called critics. They don't. They don't
love movies in the pure open hearted sense that people
that just sit down to watch a movie do. Yeah,
people that got no skin in the game exactly. It's
a totally different way of viewing a movie. So never

(01:50:05):
check what the critics think. Trust yourself. Yeah, your own opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
So read one highly recommended by Matt Heath and it's
a good Christmas watch.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
We'll probably got a bunch of text tomorrow, Yeah, from
people saying you stole an hour and a half of
my life.

Speaker 15 (01:50:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Hey, now coming up your chance to win a copy
of A Life Less Punishing, Yeah, my book.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Yes, you'd think we'd be giving away dies book right now,
but we're not because we don't have any copies of that.
But we are giving away copies of my book this week.
This week, A Life is Punishing, a thirteen ways to
love the life You've got.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Yep, absolutely, so we'll give a couple of copies of
copies away very shortly. It is ten minutes before you're
listening to Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams, Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four US Talk said, be said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Good afternoon seven to four. Right, because it's Christmas and
Matt is feeling very generous. We've got two copies of
A Life Less Punishing, Hurting Ways to Love the Life
You've got. It is the number one best seller in
the country right now. You can find it in all
good bookstores and I've got to say it would make
a fantastic gift so well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
To be more accurate, it was a number one best
seller when it came out in July. Yeah, I don't know,
still going strong, So I'm still going strong. And look,
it's so what was the text punishing to nine two
nine two?

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Yep, if you want a copy, we've got two to
give away today, and we're going to be giving copies
away all week this yeah week.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Look, and it's obviously incredibly pretentious to read from your
own book, but you know it was written to help
me with the problems I had in life. So I
did years of research while a year of research into
philosophy and neuroscience and history of emotions that were causing
me problems, including dissatisfaction with life, stress, worry, taking offense,
and a bunch of others. The first issue I deal
with in the book is anger, because I've had a

(01:51:56):
lot of anger in my life. In that chapter, I
discussed the terrible fistfight I had in front of Timfin
in his dressing room, not with Timfin, but with someone
near him. But there are things everywhere in life that
will make us anger. And over the Christmas break. We
all travel a lot, and we don't want to spend
our time angry and full of road rage on a
Christmas break. So pretentiously, here is something I wrote about

(01:52:19):
road rage in my book, and how we can change
our perspective such that we learn to management and here
we go, here we go, all right? The ultimate perspective
change is death. Does anger make sense if we consider
the imminent tragedy we all face. Death makes an observative
boy I wrote this, I can't even read it. Death
makes an absurdity of road rage. Instead of firing up,

(01:52:42):
we could attempt to find some empathy. Bring to mind
the fact that both you and the person who's aggravating
you on the road are going to die one day,
that sooner or later, both of you will lose everyone
you love. You could focus on the happy fact that
you're alive and able to drive and not sick and
dying in a hospital bed, that your children or others
you love are alive, instead of the incident that's aggravating you.

(01:53:03):
You could instead bring to mind that you're not living
in a country where people are being rounded up and
murdered for who they are or what they believe in.
If you concentrate on these things, it's hard to stay angry.
You could also remind yourself that whatever moment you are in,
you will never get it back, and you don't know
how many more moments you will have. The next moment
could be your last. Everything you do in life, from

(01:53:23):
breathing to driving to communicating with those you love, you
will one day do for the last time. We don't
have long hair. Do you all want to waste any
of the precious moments you have left red face screaming
and waving your middle finger at a stranger. If you
do go for it, that's your choice. Personally, I do
not I need that on repeat.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
My oversummer nicely said, right, I mean, the texts are
coming in thick and fast. But if you want to
be in the drawer for a copy of A Life
Less Punishing thirteen Ways to Love the Life, you've got
text Punishing to nine two ninety two right now?

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
All right? Is that into the show for us? That
is what a great show it's been. Thanks much for listening.
The Great New Zealanders of Christmas series continues tomorrow, but
until then, give them a taste a Kiwi

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
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