Full Show Podcast: 17 February 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 17th of February - on minding somebody else's business, when should you have a word to someone about their unhealthy habits? 

When a pint isn’t a pint - the Afternoons duo investigates.

And the opening round of Super Rugby saw a few streakers - what's the motivation? What’s the solution? 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hell are you great, New Zealanders And welcome to Man
Tyler Afternoons podcast number sixty eight. Potentially it is the
seventeenth of February twenty twenty five. Great show today, some
incredible insights into me. One of the great things about
on ZB is if you talk about something, the person
that's the expert on that will call up later on.
We talk about streaking and we go deep into a

(00:39):
conversation with an actual security guard in the ins and
outs of that. And plus we talk to the famous
streaker from the Blearslow Cup two thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Massive insight, Aaron who.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Got paid by a company to streak and his regrets
about that and twenty three years ago. Today. So great show,
hope you enjoy it. Set to download, subscribe and follow
and love.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yours your new for insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty on
News Talk SEV.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Good Afternoons, You welcome into the show SEV and pass
one Monday Afternoon, Kiday.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Maddie yet a tyler. You have a good weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I certainly did. Yep, just me, my partner, May and
the dog. It was blessed. Was our anniversary, not our
marriage anniversary because we're not married, but when we first
met each other at a bar all those years ago,
and then of course Valentine's Day because I cocked that
up on the Friday, so I had to make amends
for that. So it was lovely mate. What about you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Fantastic weekend which put a sport went onto the rugby
at Eden Park. We might talk about streaking later on
because it was a bit of that going on. Yeah,
but I think that I think the rugby was very
good over the weekend, the Super Rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Great start to that super competition. Well yeah, speaking of
the Super Competition, we are going to have a chat
about streaking after three o'clock. Are they idiots or are
they entertaining? This is on the back of a couple
of streakers pitch invaders at the Blues check game that
you went to. What was the reaction of the crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because some people
get I mean, we do laugh at streakers in New Zealand.
We find them funny. Yeah, and you know it's annoying
if they affect the game. But it is a security
issue as well. I mean, there's no way the grounds
can just let streakers onto the ground, can they. So
they have to be they have to be slammed and

(02:33):
thrown out. But it's a bit of a complicated one,
isn't it My kids when they remember One of my
kids is really unsporty, but he's still giggling about a
time I took him to the cricket and he saw
a streaker, goes, why is the guy nude? What's he doing?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
It is a bit of a Kiwi Aussie thing that,
for some reason, primarily guys, but sometimes you know women
as well, just love to get nude at a particular
event and that is kind of humorous, that is entertaining.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
There was a guy that got nude at the super
Bowl a few years ago, so it might be a
global thing. My question is what does streakers get out
of it? Yeah, anyway we're talking about that.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
That's going to be a good chat. After three o'clock
to two o'clock. You would have seen this story. Nick Angster,
he's a very successful publican down in christ which runs
the church which is a great bar, among a few others.
But he has come up to some grief for charging
sixteen dollars for a pint of beer. His defense was
that the pints they serve are proper UK pints five

(03:28):
hundred and seventy five mel, not the three hundred and
four hundred milli liters most places serve when they call
it a pint. So the question is do we need
to legalize the volume of a pint across the board
in New Zealand but also supporting hospitality? Is that just
the price you pay now to make sure that our
pub survive.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, so if you pay twelve dollars for something that's
called a pint but isn't a pint, that's a false economy.
So he's saying sixteen dollars for that pint is what
it costs for that volume of beer, and a pint
has quite a lot of beer, Yeah, an actual point
of beer. You're not getting a pint when you ask
for a pint, generally speaking, you're getting like a spinly
cart that is secretly designed to make it look taller

(04:11):
than it is as it with thicker glass there's a
lot of things that you're going on to make it
look like a pint when it isn't a point not
other points you get at a UK pub. So that's
a false economy if you're annoyed at paying sixteen dollars
for that volume of alcohol. But the question is, you know,
is booze too expensive for you? Is it stopping you
going to bars? And what can we do about it?

(04:31):
Because we want people going out. We want hospow going well,
because it hires people, builds things. It's the flavor of
our city, their restaurants and bars we have out there,
but they have to charge a lot for alcohol just
to stay open and make a profit.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Definitely looking forward to that chat. If you work in hospo,
if you're a public in yourself, you just someone who
likes to go out. Love to hear from you after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
our overall health. How do you intervene when you're worried
about someone's health. This is on the back of the
Heart Foundations annual appeal. They're running a bunch of stories
about primarily men who have run into health complications pretty

(05:05):
early on in life. But putting those stories aside, trying
to intervene. When you know that someone is close to
you and clearly they're unhealthy. They might be significantly obese,
they might be drinking far too much, they might be
eating far too much crap food. It's a hell of

(05:25):
a thing to try and sit them down and say,
I'm worried about you. You need to sort yourself out.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I'd like to hear from people one hundred and
eighteen eighty who've successfully had this conversation with someone. Maybe
it's your partner, maybe it's a friend, because I've known
a bunch of people in my life that have been
incredibly unhealthy, and in your friend group, you talk about
it and you worry about them because you don't want
to see them checking out early. And boy, oh boy,

(05:52):
the pressure on your heart when you're carrying around a
lot of extra weight, it's pretty bad. But how do
you do that? I've never got up the courage to
do it. Ever, it's pretty tough, as I've never held
an intervention, and I know this is a number of
people that I should hold interventions with. But how do
you do it? How do you change someone's habits for

(06:15):
their better or is that none of your business? And
if someone wants to drink, smoke and eat themselves to death,
then that's that's their problem. Yeah, and you just let
it go, so.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Not even a sly comment to someone that you're incredibly
worried about. And you might be out on the town
having a few beers and you've got a bit of
Dutch courage and then you say to your mates, but
worried about you? How you smashing those beers back every weekend.
It's a real tough one, isn't it. It's a tough
one to just bring up. And I've got to say
primarily for men.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, but I guess the thing is, you know, if
you haven't maybe I've never been in a position where
I've been holy enough to make those comments, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
So, and boy around food is a really huge one.
So if you've got someone that's overweight and you you
know they're what, they're ordering a burger on chips, do
you tuck them?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Do you shame that? I don't know, you probably should,
You probably should for their own good. Yeah, but it's
a bold move. It's a bold move to go. I
don't think you mate, I don't think you should get
the chips or mate, just the salad for you.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I have been on the other side of that, but
not until after the fact that I got healthy again.
That and I'm by no means and adonis now. But
I at one stage was pretty unhealthy and pretty overweight.
But nobody's sitting anything to me until I lost a
whole bunch of weight. And it was only then they
came up to me and said thank God because I
was worried about you, And in my back, in my mind,

(07:40):
I'm thinking, well, thank you for the compliment because I
have made an effort. But why didn't you say something
when I was messive?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well that's probably saying quite a behind your back. They're
probably going, jeez, chi, Charlie, people put on the hounds.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Isn't he man whatever of that guy who.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Had all the pies Tyler? That kind of thing. Yeah,
So have you done it? I one hundred and eighty
ten eighty Have you intervened in someone's health? And how
did you do it? And were you successful? And should
we Yeah? I one hundred eighteen eighty nineteen nine is
the text number.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Looking for to this discussion. It is thirteen past one
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Speaker 1 (08:13):
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Speaker 3 (08:26):
Good afternoon. It is sixteen past one. We've asked the question,
have you ever intervened with someone that you care about
when you're worried about their health? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
a tough conversation to have. But if you really care
about them and you can see that they are hitting
towards an early death or a scire for that matter,

(08:48):
do you need to have that conversation. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty people.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
People, we need to have an intervention on my turning,
my mic, on my skills, my radius.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
You did that with Gusta. I've got to say, though,
I press it.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
To her this text. So this is what people kind
of worry about ruining the relationship. I told my motherwise
worried about her dream, and she ghosted me. This was
seven years ago, and I have since had three children
that she has never met. She chose alcohol or that's
sad to choose alcohol over over your over your grandkids.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think people tend to get the heckels up right.
They get defensive if they because deep down I think
they would know if they are being unhealthy like I did.
I knew that I'd put on the pounds and I
was chunky airs and I was eating too much KFC,
no doubt about it. And if someone told me, geez, Tyler,
you got to sort yourself out, I probably would get

(09:40):
a bit defensive as well.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I asked my partner to shame me. I said, could
you fat shame me? Because every time I eat something,
I want you to call me names. And she did
it for a while, but she it was just so
horrible for her because she felt like she was abusing
me all the time, every time I ate a burger.
I just wanted her to really go me. But that
was a lot to ask of her. And then and
then she stopped doing it. And then I said, but

(10:04):
you were supposed to be fat shaming me, and so
that's a reverse.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
It's hard for you to do that, and part of
you would have felt a little bit hurt when she said,
but it would have.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'd get annoyed. I asked her to do it, and
I'd get annoyed. It was so hypocritical. I got a
bunch of texts coming through on this. How dare you
intervene when you were worried about someone's health? I don't
know that. How dare you? I had a very large
friend and I wanted to say something. But another person's
weight is not my business.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
But if you care about them, then I know it's
technically well, it is your business. There you were, you
were coming from a good place to make sure that
they're going to stick around, hopefully as a long time.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
As long as you're sure you're coming from a good place. Yeah,
this person here, The problem is people that you met
with your who ate all the pies chat with Tyler?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, but I love pies back then, so yeah, he
wasn't wrong. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call quick coup of ticks. Here met
and Tyler absolutely agree to your comments on men's health.
I have always paid close attention to mine, which paid
off three years ago with no reason to think anything
was wrong. I asked my doctor to refer me for

(11:14):
a cardiochech. Long story short, couple of months later, angiogram
showed I had four blocked arterikow one one hundred percent
and three fifty ninety percent. A month later, through medical cover,
had a successful quadruple bypass. Who knows where I would
have been if I hadn't gone to my doctor and
made sure I put my health first. Great text, Janus,

(11:36):
your thoughts on speaking up about people's health.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
I've actually been the opposite that I've had someone approaching
me and a supermarket. I was very very ill with
cancer and was probably about less than thirty akgs and
I could only basically drink yogat and drink fluid and
have yogurt. And she came up to me and said
that I had all the wrong flood of my trolley

(12:04):
and that I needed to put on some weight, and
that I was anorexic. So and that particular day, I
was actually feeling quite good about myself that I got
myself out and about so and then I had to
turn around and say, oh, no, I expect I've got cancer.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Lady bug her off.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, that's that's not right. I mean, you can't just
do an intervention on someone when you don't know the
whole story. So she's made a whole lot of safe
assumptions about you that have turned out to be completely wrong.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
I had me I'm the kind of person that makes
my negative I've got to turn it into a positive.
So you know, when you walk past people down the
of the aisles when she got an air shot, I
would just basically dart across the room and go cancer.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So at the time when she said it, did you
did you explain? Did you go look? Because you don't
know her an explanation at all at that point, you know,
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
I was kind of I was very very caught off guard,
and I was just like, excuse me, and I said, can.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
You repeat there please?

Speaker 5 (13:05):
And then she repeated it, and I said, to a
heylock on your business, but I've actually got cancer. I'm
under treatment, but you know.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
Bugger off.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
What did she say at that point?

Speaker 9 (13:15):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (13:15):
She says, oh, well, you shouldn't be out and about
And I said, why should I?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
This person is a very judgmental person that thinks they've
got everything right in the world. I don't think anyway.
You can't be doing interventions on people that you don't know. No,
that's crazy. How's your health?

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Now, Jennis, I'm basically I am sort of cancer free congress,
turn the corner and back on track and sort of
living my happy life. So yeah, no, all good Now that.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Is huge, great to hear. Yeah, and hopefully this woman
is not still walking around hassling people.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Didn't get here.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
She had to seek you very much, nice to chat.
I mean that is at the other side of the
extremists that if you don't know somebody and you just say, hey,
you know, I don't think you should be about doing
things at your state. I mean, yeah, that that person
you get a great.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Definitely not suggesting going up to people that you don't
the are strangers and saying stuff. This is about friends
you know a lot about, you know their circumstances, and
from a place of love, you're coming to them and saying,
I think that maybe you need to do something about
your health.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, and but yet yeah, oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Has anyone successfully said and I know genis wasn't it
wasn't an eating disorder, she had cancer coldnet. But has
that line have yourself a stake sand which ever worked
for anyone that is that has an eating disorder. That's
that's not useful. No, that's not a useful piece of advice.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's not understanding the complexities around eating disorders at all,
is it?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you've managed to do that with a partner. Love
to hear from your nine two nine two. I mean,
it's a strategy there if it is your partner or
your husband or your wife. So you've got to get
on that train with them, you know what I mean.
If you're worried about your health, you don't say I'm
worried about your health. You've got to go to them
and say, from this point on, we're going to be

(15:06):
eating healthy together. No more app in the house. So
you're not shaming them, you're saying, hey, here's a new
thing for both of us because we're going to make
sure that we live a long time.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well, yeah, that's the thing as well. And you kind
of owe it to do everything you can to stick
around to support your family, don't you. Yeah. I mean
that's the other part of it. So if someone, if
your partner, comes up to you, they might go, we
need you around, we need you around. To pay the bills.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, that's effectively it is.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
We need you earning. Yeah, so you know, quite apart
from the love side of it, you owe it to
your dependence to stay around in a healthy state to
the best of your ability.

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Breakfast, Education Minister Erica Stamford has said David Seymore somewhat
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Speaker 7 (17:08):
Who was with us.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
She did say you overstepped the mark, did you.

Speaker 11 (17:11):
I'm not quite sure i'd put it that way.

Speaker 12 (17:13):
Basically, there's a set of rules that she's in charge of,
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I've said that Erica.

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Stanford is the one who's the season charge of when
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That was in my.

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Press release, which was actually part of attendance. I also
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find everything on media, but to the interview, I misrepresented
what I'd said, and I think that is at the
core of the issue.

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Here back tomorrow at six Am the Mike asking breakfast
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Speaker 3 (17:41):
Good afternoon. We're talking about when did you ever intervene
in somebody's health, somebody that you cared about when you
could see they were on a fast track to on
Earth Early death of one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Some good texts coming through,
But let's go to share. How are you shared?

Speaker 14 (17:59):
Hello, I'm good, Thank you. I have the opposite. I
actually had somebody intervene with me, and it was I
was I'd finished high school, was now flatting, I was
at university. I was getting all the wrong foods, drinking
too much. And there was a girl.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
She was Chinese.

Speaker 14 (18:15):
She was she'd only been in the country for a
couple of years, so you know, she didn't quite have
the same I guess politeness that key we've have. And
she said to me, she she goes, you know, I
have to tell you. She said, you're getting a little
bit fat. She said, not fat fat, just a little
bit fat. But you used to be skinny and now
you're little bit fat. And I just remember I already

(18:36):
knew when she said it to me, I was like,
oh my gosh, I already know this, but I was
sort of, you know, hoping that nobody else was noticing
that I'd been putting on a bit of weight. And
after she said it, I went home and I was like, right,
I have to do something, and my flat mats had
just said, I run around the block. And then I
did this. I ran around the block every day for
seven months, and I to this day. I'm now thirty six.
I'm still running, not every day, but at least three

(18:58):
times a week. So if it wasn't for her, who knows,
I might be in a whole different.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Past in life.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
How did you feel when she said that? Though sheit
like what was your reaction? Did you just take it
or or no?

Speaker 15 (19:10):
I was like.

Speaker 14 (19:10):
Horrified because I was with a couple of other friends
and they were like, Grace, you can't say that. You're
not supposed to say that in New Zealand. And she
was like, what, I just tell the truth and I
was like, no, look, fair enough, it is the truth.
I've put on a couple of cag's. My pants aren't
sitting a girl. It was probably only like four or
five kg's, but it was enough to be a little
bit obvious. And I think I was already like I

(19:31):
already knew I had to do something, but it was
like the kickstart.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
But it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like you
were unhealthy, you know, it just sounds like you just
put on a little bit. So that's not so much
that she's talking esthetically. That's not a health issue she
was raising.

Speaker 14 (19:48):
She was just notice it was it was aesthetics. But
you know what if you sometimes like it starts off
like that, but if I look at my family, like
my mother and my grandmother, my grandmother was severely overweight,
a wonderful person, amazing human being, but you know, definitely overweight,
and perhaps like that was how my body was gonna

(20:08):
also end up if I hadn't, if somebody hadn't come
in and just you know, said it bluntly to my faith.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
But I could have backfired terribly. But because some people
when they get that kind of insult, they you know,
some sometimes you know, comfort foods a thing. So it
worked for you, But you must have been the type
of personality that was ready to listen to something like that.
I can imagine it going complete the other way and.

Speaker 14 (20:33):
Could definitely could have.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
But isn't there part of it.

Speaker 14 (20:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I mentioned before when I had got a bit chunky,
nobody said anything to me until i'd lost weight, And
I think you're quite quite right, Matt and Shaw. You
know this that no doubt people were saying things behind
my back, saying, jeez, Tyler's looking a bit chunky. I mean,
what happened to me? Probably you know, how did he
get get so bloom and fat? But if that said

(20:57):
something to me and pulled me aside, maybe not in
your scenario where it was a group chat and someone
said something but pulled me inside and said, hey, what's
going on. We just noticed Tyler you put on a
few pounds. I would have been hurt, but they probably
have been a kick up the bum to say, Okay,
I've got to sort myself out.

Speaker 14 (21:12):
Yes, I think the key is is, like we're so
politically correct, we don't want to offend anybody, and so
we don't say anything. But perhaps sometimes like letting them
be uncomfortable maybe will help them and if they're not well,
they'll get over it regardless. But in saying that, I
don't think i'd have the guts to do it despite
my positive story.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, Well, the thing is if it's true. I mean,
if we could be completely logical about someone. If someone
says to you that you've put on a lot of
weight and they're worried about you, if it's true, then
you'd be silly to get offended because they're just pointing
out reality. So you' you know, in the perfect world,
you go, thank you for that information. I'll take that
on board and I'll make the appropriate steps. But it's
kind of more likely that you're going to go screw you.

(21:52):
How dare you? I remember when I was about thirty,
a friend of mine, I was just sitting around in
this house and we were having a couple of drinks
and my mate Gary just goes, geez, man, you look
like a forty year old man. You look like just
and shamed me in front of everyone. And I didn't.

(22:13):
I didn't take that.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Well, no, but he was right.

Speaker 14 (22:17):
I think you look great, Matt. And I'm sure your
friend who knows you have to look him up. Maybe
he doesn't look so great.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Caller look him up for yours and the same god back. Actually,
now he'd take the forty year old man. Hey, thank
you so much for your calls here. You have a
great day.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, being called butder, I think is probably a bit
more extreme saying hu, it depends.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Which butter as well, because at one point the teacher
of Buddher was very there's multiple butdders. Yeah, there's the
large ones and there's the very skinny ones. But you
know he wasn't called the word butder is just Sanskrit
for enlightened one, you know, So he was talking about
some of the lucky budder anyway. That's that's by the by.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call just what you mentioned before. I mean, you are
going to get offended if it is true, right, because
if it's not true, then you're going to laugh off
someone's friends saying, hey, I think you're drinking too much,
like get a grap only have a couple of beers
a week. But the whole reason people get offended is
because they know deep down that they have put on
a few pounds or that they are looking a bit unhealthy.

(23:14):
That's why people get offended.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I guess, but I think we're talking about not
just a few pounds. We're not talking about people. We're
talking about people that are you are worried that they
are going to affect their heart health and potentially drop dead,
is what I'm talking about in the intervention. If someone's
just looking about chubby around the cheeks, then I don't
know if it's your business as a friend to have
an intervention on that.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Plenty of calls to get to it
is twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 3 (25:05):
Very much, ray Leana. We've asked the question, how do
you intervene when worried about someone's health, someone that is
close to you, a family member, a partner or a
very close friend. Some great tips coming through on nine
two nine to two.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Told him, mate, he's in bad shape to go see
a doctor and make changes. He knows and agreed, but
hasn't done anything at least like kid enough to talk
with them. Simon, Yeah, I mean there's only so much
you can do. Yeah, you know, but yeah, I mean,
we're really asking about intervening. Should you have a word
to people that you're worried about their health? And how
do you go about it? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Let's go to the phone, Steve. Good afternoon to you, yday, Steve.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Are you there, Steve?

Speaker 16 (25:47):
Are you looking for Murray?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Oh? No, oh, sorry, we've got Murray. Here is this Murray?

Speaker 17 (25:53):
Yeah, it looks sounds like it.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Okay, k hey, Murray, We've got We've got Steve on
our we board here. But that's all right, how are
you Murray?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
How board stitched us up with it with Steve popping up,
but it's clearly Murray, good dy, Murray, welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (26:05):
Oh no, I'm just going to challenge you mat about
your fat shaming. But at the same point, that's probably
half the problem is that people don't want to and
it's not a very nice thing to look at because
it's obviously as Sarah's helpersh But my text said that
I had a mate that actually challenged me about five
or six years ago, maybe a bit longer, and just said,
we're out for a walk and he saw you're okay,

(26:25):
and I said, yeah, I'm fine. Why because I just
some of the guys at work, and we were all
shift workers, said had somehow chosen him to come and
chat to me about about the worry of my health.
And this called me, as you said, matt oh, a
happy buddher. When I was growing up, I was the
race and chardine. You know, I played a heck of
a lot of sports and just piled it on as

(26:47):
I got older, and probably about four years ago I
did something about it, surgically wise and never looked back.
And so I guess from my perspective now, because I've
been in that position, I'm all the more less likely
to say anything or to judge anyone for it.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
And when you say surgery, murray, what what did you do?
Was it a gastric band or what was the surgery?

Speaker 17 (27:09):
No, it's called a it's more of a rarer one.
It's called a jurdnal switch. What they call a DS.
It's basically I don't know how to describe it.

Speaker 11 (27:17):
I'll just call it.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I got replumbed, right, right, and that's been and that's
been successful.

Speaker 17 (27:23):
Yeah, I went from I was I've been lower than
I am now, but certainly I'm sitting at a loss
of about forty kilos.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's pretty incredible. Is it less invasive than the gastric band?

Speaker 7 (27:34):
Is it?

Speaker 13 (27:36):
Probably?

Speaker 17 (27:36):
It's probably the more longer of the ones, and it's
probably the one where they don't do it so often.
And I'm very lucky it was done publicly for me.
And that was obviously because of my health. I've got
myself two diabetes now I call it my own lifestyle choices.

Speaker 18 (27:50):
That was what caused it.

Speaker 17 (27:51):
So I went and saw my doctor, got referred. Very
lucky to be on the health on the public system.
And I have to say there's actually a really good
page that I belong to and it's called Skinny Buggers
and it's blokes that have had the surgery. And yeah,
I can say that some of the conversations that are
dan on about things and we're never shy from telling
each other, you know, we're giving each other's thoughts that

(28:14):
we don't judge, and it's been doom and fantastic at you.
It's a great page chatter. And there might even be
people from that page listing on the radio.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So when your friend approached you did did you immediately
take it on board or were you you offended out
the gate or and and how did he approach you exactly?
Because I obviously worked with you, so we got it
right for you anyway.

Speaker 17 (28:38):
Yeah, I mean I knew it. I knew it already.
I was probably I wasn't quite at my heaviest, but
I knew it already. And we just happened to be
up one of our regular walks and he just said,
hey mate, They said, I'm you know, the guys at
work are pretty worried about you everything okay, you know,
with your weight. And I just said, yeah, I said,
I know, I know it. I said, I actually thanked him.
I said, I appreciate the fact you've been honest enough
to talk to me. I said, it's better than having

(28:59):
been talked about it behind my back.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
So dream results, absolute, absolute dream result for him, because
he was probably really nervous bringing it up and probably
sort of built himself up to doing it and then
said it. And to get such a good response from
from you, he would have been started.

Speaker 19 (29:17):
Well, yeah, and it was.

Speaker 17 (29:18):
And the biddy was that it took me. It was another
probably four Well, it's going to have to be probably
eight years ago now, it's going to be because he's
in fact, you know, something's longer than that because he
I was still working with him at the time, So
it's been over ten years. It took me six years
to get my bavovial together to actually do something about it.
But you know, the outcome is fantastic and people say

(29:40):
how it's really positive. You get really good comments about
how you look now.

Speaker 13 (29:43):
But you think, and.

Speaker 17 (29:45):
That's why, I guess I'm just completely unjudgmental because I
know what people who are bigger, what some of them,
the reasons why they are, and it's a lot of
it's psychological and it's yeah, there's there's historical reasons why.
And I guess that's for the old The old judgment
comes in and I'm so unjudgmental. I just look and go, yep,
been there and done that. I know exactly what it

(30:06):
must be like.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah. So when your mate first challenger that said I'm
worried about your your your pretty overweight, and I'm worried
about your health. At what points then did you go
to the GP and start that process of getting surgery.
I take it there must have been pretty daunting for
you originally.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, it was.

Speaker 17 (30:22):
It was it was about Charles, it was about five
years that it was about eighteen months, just over a
year before I had my surgery. So my surgery was
in September twenty twenty, and I went and saw my
GP in twenty nineteen. So it was a number of
years after he'd spoken to me. But it's still stuck
in my mind, and quite clearly it's still stuck in

(30:42):
my mind now enough for me to make the comment
to you guys about you know, the fact that he
had taken that step to speak to me.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, Oh, well, good on you, Good on you for
doing something about it, and good to hear that you
your you're healthy. Murray.

Speaker 17 (30:54):
Yeah, thanks very much, and madam must stay. I've watched
some of the programs you used to be involved in.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Classics Shocking Classics.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, he loves that, Murray, Thank you very much. A
great call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty. Teen eighty is
the number to call love to hear your story if
you've intervened yourself or have been on the flip side
as Murray had, that someone came up to you and
said I'm worried about your health. Nine to nine too
is the text number. It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
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eighty ten eighty Matten Tyler Afternoon with the Volvo XC
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Speaker 3 (31:32):
News Talks B, News Talk zed B. We've asked the question,
when have you had to intervene when you're worried about
someone's health? One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Mandy, Welcome to the sordoy. I understand that you had
you have a friend that you helped out.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
Ah, yes, I probably would say more like a motivator
for this friend of mine. I met her about five
or six years ago with a PLUCKT playgroup. Since then,
she was about in the one hundred, probably one, and

(32:18):
I was kind of walking everywhere at the time. I
didn't have a car and I had house issues myself.
I was in my hundreds as well. I'm currently I
was about to find one hundred and forty eight back then,
but I'm currently now ninety three.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Can WOWT work.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
But with my friend, she at the time, I had
already lost some weights when I had met her, So
we started hanging out and stuff, and so then I
was walking to her house quite a lot, and she's
there's quite a big steep hill that goes up to
her place, and I used to walk up that hill
all the time. And then I did that for a

(32:59):
couple of times and then one visit. There was one
time I didn't visit her for a while, and maybe
for about three or four months, I didn't see her
because we were so as with the mums as we are.
So I get a call from her and like three
months later, and she said if we wanted to meet
up somewhere. So we met up. And then when I

(33:21):
met her, she had lost so much weight, and I
thought to myself, oh, I must have I must have
motivated her in some way or something. I don't know,
but she was so happy. She looked really happy, and
she told me she changed her diet and she had.
She told me I kind of motivated her in a
way to get out there and walk, you know, go

(33:43):
for walks for her own house because she was having
some health issues. And I won't speak about it online.
I just wanted to say that it's good to motivate people,
you know, just or even asked them, would you like
to go for a walk or just thought a walking group,
you know, put it online and just ask someone and

(34:04):
they want to come to walk with them, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
And if you are, you know, having your own struggles
and they're similar to the other person's and you come
up to them, that's kind of a good that that's
an even more even keel because you know you can
both go, well, look, we've both got this thing. Maybe
we can help each other out. As opposed to someone
that doesn't have the problem coming up and hastling, you
could could have a different, different result. So are you

(34:27):
are you guys still still friends?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yes, we're still friends. And she's right down to seventy
two kilos now.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
H wow, wow, So she did you say that she
was she was at did you say she was up
one forty.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Yes, she was about one hundred and forty eight.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So she's lost half of bodyway.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Yeah, she's right down to seventy two. And because she's
done all the walking and she changed her diets cut
out all the bad stuff, you know, all the sugar
and stuff we shouldn't be eating that. You know, we
can eat that stuff, but we've just.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Got a limited Yeah, that is incredible. How much walking
were you doing per week.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Roughly, Mandy, I was walking because we've got a few
walking reserves down here where I usually go down a
be three times a week, and I met the gym now,
so I go to the gym about three times a
week and then I do some walking as well. But
it really helps with your mental health as well, you know,

(35:21):
get out there and walk it out, you you know,
put earphones off, listen to music, what ifs that will
calm your bike, and like strengthen your your soul or whatever,
you know, just to get everything off your chest and stuff.
That helps for me be motivated. I love to motivate people.
I've motivated my neighbors. I go with my neighbors to
the gym. Sometimes I've gotten her into the gym with me.

(35:43):
I just asked him, you just asked I asked of me,
you know.

Speaker 16 (35:47):
Do you want to join?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's potentially a better way than doing it. Then they
straight up intervention. Yeah, what you're going is you're offering
them a solution that you can help them with.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
They see me walking quite a lot, so they actually
come up to me and sometimes you will come up
to me and going, you know, you want quite a lot,
And I'm like yeah, yes, you know, do you want
to come up here? Do you want to join me?
So you know, that's how I should be start the
conversational list, you know, if I want to motivate others
and try and help others to get out there, and
there's an exercise you know, for their own well and

(36:17):
their house.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Mandy, thank you so much for your call and go well, yeah,
that is that is you know quite often what it's
about riders to say, it's not shaming people to say, hey,
should we go out for a bike ride this weekend
or let's still a bit of a challenge that we're
going to smash every hill in mountain in Auckland over
the space of six months, rather than say, hey, you're
Tyler a bit chunky.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Well what about I did this to you, Tyler over
the holiday break. I said, let's enter a competition to
see if we can come back having lost the weight
over the break.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah yeah, and I think I you put on.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
You put on weight, but I lost weight, so did
I did my best?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
It was worth a shot eighty eight. And all I
can do is the number to call. Nineteen ninety two
is the text number. It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
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eighty ten eighty Matt and Tayler afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety. Every box a seamless experience awaits news.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Dogs, be.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Newstorgs ad be good afternoon, Paul.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Paul, you had a total stranger intervene in your life.

Speaker 20 (37:21):
Yes, my wife was Wellington Airport waiting for a flight.
Total stranger came up to a woman, pointed to her
left arm, tiny couple of metal meter large spot and
just said you should get that looked at. She came home,
she went to the doctor. They decided to do a biopsy.
Turned out of the skin cancer.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Wow. So was this person an expert with a dermatologist
or just a regular.

Speaker 20 (37:50):
She didn't identify herself. She was a total stranger. This
spot was you could hardly see it. There's a couple
of medimeters in size.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
So you don't know who this woman is. She just
came up and sent to your wife, I'd get there, check,
devise you and keep on walking.

Speaker 16 (38:04):
Yep, exactly, that's exactly how it happened.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
It is incredible.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, I wonder if that person is and I wonder
if you were a dermatologist that you'd walk around just
seeing moles that were of an interesting You.

Speaker 20 (38:16):
Know, she wasn't following her arm around. She must have
seen her for some distance.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, she'd done a feel scanned. There's something that's quite
creepy about it. But it was a fantastic result.

Speaker 20 (38:31):
She had a chunk out of her arm to make
sure they got rid of the cancer, which they had,
and that was it.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Was It was there an information about how how quickly
that could have gone bad if she hadn't had it
cut out.

Speaker 20 (38:44):
Yes, it could have got bad because there was nothing
to it. It was like a little spot. It would
never have never any pain or anything at all, so
it could have got that.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That's a fantastic intervention. I'm so glad that happened to
you and your wife. Paul thinks so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
What a story to in that conversation, and it was
a great conversation. But men mentioned that some stranger. I mean, look,
I don't want to make it a cliche, but the
Guardian Angel really isn't it to come up to you
and say, better get that checked, see you later. I'm
not going to leave my name and boom.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well, my ex came up to me the other day
we were having dinner and said, there's a weird thing
on your head that's changed. Let's growth on my head. Yep,
that wasn't really growth. And because she hadn't seen me
for a while, she goes, that's changed. You should get
it checked out.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Is that all right?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Is it a right?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I'm trying to pick it off with my finger.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Right, good discussion. After two o'clock, let's discuss the price
of a pint in New Zealand. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is and number to call nine two
nine tour is the text number, News, sport and weather
on its way.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
It is beautiful, sees it?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Oh, news talks. It'd be very very good afternoon to you.
Welcome back into the show. It is Monday. In great
discussion last hour. We're going to change tech over the
next fifteen minutes or so. We want to talk about
the price pints. Now this is on the back of

(40:10):
you may or may not have seen this story. Nick Inkster.
He's a very successful publican down in christ Church. He
owns I believe three or four pubs, but he does
extremely well and a very tough market for hospitality over
the past couple of years. But he got a little
bit of stick for charging sixteen dollars for a pint

(40:31):
of pretty nice beer. You've got to say, but here's
a little bit of what he said to Mike Costkien
this morning.

Speaker 10 (40:37):
So this is easily sold a pint. I thought it
was six hundred myself because of Britain.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Correct.

Speaker 21 (40:42):
I grew up drinking pints of milk, which is six
hundred milk, right, So a pint of beer has always
been a little bit less at five to seventy five,
and that's the point we sell and to get GP
on that, it's got to be sixteen dollars exactly.

Speaker 10 (40:53):
And then having said that, so you would know that,
wouldn't you, because five to seventy five is materially different
from four to twenty five in terms of size and
weight and what you get.

Speaker 21 (41:03):
I hear more people injured about getting the four twenty
five and saying this is not a pint, but then
they're paying twelve dollars, so they're just thinking they're getting
a better deal, but it's actually the same.

Speaker 10 (41:12):
It's like to like, so you're five seventy five at
sixteen is the same at four to twenty five, and
whatever it is correct meals per buck. It's exactly the
same price.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Exactly the same.

Speaker 21 (41:22):
You're giving them a smaller pint. And the pints are
quite clever today, like they do look like a pint
that they're actually one hundred milli less and they're able
to charge your twelve thirteen dollars. So consumer thinks they
are paying a reasonable price or a pint, but actually
it's not a pint of beer.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
So good on them for calling that out because for
too long we've just accepted that when you ask for
a pint, you're going to get a volume of beer.
That is going to change between a pub to pub
because quite often when you ask for a pint, what
you get is a handle.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, can they call that a pint? So when you
ask for a pint, people just take it as from
the tap, don't they. Whatever size, they're going to pour
it out from the tap and it's for twenty five
meals and you pay whatever you pay called a lot
twelve dollars. Yeah, but yeah, if you ask for a pint,
you should get roughly six hundred mels like the old
milk bottle. Yeah, and you do overseas, anyone that spent
time in London, I mean in England, Well, you know

(42:15):
they've got laws there. A pint is a pint, so
you get a pint and a half pint and that's
six hundred meals and they're phuge. Well five twenty five
seventy five. For some reason a pint and beer is
considered five seventy five, not six hundred.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
And that's a lot of beer, seventy five mil so
a proper UK pint, that is. You know you're gonna
have a good time if you have a couple of those.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I mean, as I was saying before. When I
first got a job over in the UK, I had
this boss and he was from Birmingham and he'd take
us out for lunch and you had to have three
pints with lunch and I couldn't keep through them. And
he used to call me the kiwi p word, and
he said that you guys can't handle it and so,
but he'd keep a record of the points I hadn't drunk,
how many pints I was behind the other workers at

(42:59):
this place, and he'd make me come on the weekend
and drink my pints.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
It's the opposite of what most publicans would do to
They say, like, what do you owe me now, met Heath,
because you've been smashing the pints back, pave the pints
and he goes the other way around.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
He put this list on the wall. My boss. He
was like, Matt is three pints behind for the week.
He's going to have to come in and meet me
for a drunk on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
More lunch beers please, man.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Anyway, there are a lot and like people have worked
over the UK, they seem to have the ability to
go back to work after three points at lunch and
do something productive, which I didn't actually, to be honest,
they don't have the ability to do that, but they
didn't have the same motivation as I did, as being
a young key we trying to make it over there.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
But it's all this story. I never thought about it
that you you ask for a pint or a handle,
you just get what you get. And quite often it
is just a turn of phrase in New Zealand. You
ask for a pint and you're going to get a
handle back. But the more I think about it, the
more I would like to see pubs just put down
how much Miller beer you're going to get in the
menu for the price. But the price is the price, right,
is that if I go into a pub and I pay,

(43:55):
in this case, sixteen sixteen bucks and I'm getting five
seventy five for most of the time, I kind of
just accept that is the price of going out and
supporting New Zealand hospitality because as Nick said, for down
in the story, what is the alternative that if he's
not charging sixteen dollars for a proper pint or some
of these other places that are charging fourteen bucks for

(44:17):
a little bit less than your beer, then New Zealand's
nightlife is going to slowly shut down more and more
and more. And we're already head issued with hospitality in
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, that's what I want to talk about, because one
of the main drivers of stopping people going out to
bars is the price of alcohol at bars compared to
the price if you buy it and take it home. Right,
But surely we all agree that it's better to have
people out drinking in public and bars that employ people
that build characters, that build communities, that build buildings and

(44:49):
run businesses and put tax back through the system and
keep the economy going right as opposed to going to
supermarket or going to a bottle store and just buying
the booze and slamming it at home. That that doesn't
grow anything. So you know, what can we do to
lower the price of beer in bars, because you know,
bars do it tough. That's sixteen dollars that they're charging

(45:12):
for that pint, for that real pint at the church
fantastic bar, by the way, that's what they have to
charge the same business. Definitely that they can't charge less
than that. But it's amazing. I've looked up into some
of the excised tax and how much tax they're actually
paying on beer to pour beer in bars, And there
might be a situation that we could look at where
we lower the tax on drinks poured at bars as

(45:37):
opposed to bought in a bottle store. So you incentivize
people to drink their alcohol at bars that do good
for the community and grow and build the hospitality sector,
as opposed to the situation now where everything seems to
be incentivized into people buying beer and going home and
drinking it.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
And why is that a controversial idea? I don't know
why that hasn't been implemented sooner, because you can't have
really a country without a night life that is somewhat successful.
That you know, We've got this new tourism campaign about
to launch for good in the sake everyone must go
as and trying to get ossies to come here. They're
not going to come here if all our bars and
restaurants are closing because it's too expensive to pay for

(46:18):
a pint and nobody goes out anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
The amount of excise tax paid on a fifty liters
keg of five percent ABV bear has risen from seventy
seven dollars and seventy two cents and twenty twenty one
to a projected ninety two dollars and seventeen cents from
July first, twenty twenty four. That's when it went up
to representing approximately thirty two percent of the price paid
by hospitality venues. When combined with GST, nearly half forty

(46:43):
seven percent of the price of a keg of beer
is now tax.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Wow, that's a big increase in three years times and
a tough three years.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
So basically half the money that their earning is going
in tax. They're no wonder a pint has to cost
sixteen dollars and no wonder people go to the bottle
store and just drink beers at home.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to hear
from you on this one. Do we need to standard
eye what a pint is in our bars and restaurants?
But more importantly, do we need to for lack of
a better word, would you call it subsidized? I don't
think that's the.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Right incentivize people to go to bars, and incentivize restaurants
and make it easier for restaurants and bars to make
money and employee people and make the world a better place.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
If you work in the industry. Love to hear from you.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
nine two nine tools the text number. It is fifteen
quarter past.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Two, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor
Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into
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Speaker 4 (47:43):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Good afternoon. It is seventeen past two and we're talking
about the price of pints in New Zealand pubs. But
we also want to have a chat about incentivizing hospitality
in New Zealand to be a will to serve cheaper
pints effectively by reducing the amount of excise tax they
have to pay. Plenty of great techs coming through on

(48:06):
nine to nine to two Yes, Matt, Yes, making drinks
cheaper on premises without cutting the margin. The publican needs
to make us the way forward. Unfortunately, the police, council,
liquor authorities and public health officers seem to want to
spread people out to any number of our best shed
parties where there is no host responsibility and anything goes.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, that's right, because a bar or a restaurant takes
on a lot of the harm management of alcohol, don't
they bar will have security, they don't drink, They don't
serve people when they're intoxicated or causing problems. Yeah, you know,
it's in my personal opinion, I think it's much better
if we move the weight of alcohol consumption towards venues.

(48:50):
As I say that higher people and build things and
are creative and look after their punters as opposed to
currently now it's massively incentivized for people to drink at home.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
They are safe for places to be, no doubt about that.

Speaker 16 (49:03):
Kid day Tony, Hi, I thought that close by this
business of what if party is place? A pint in
England is governed by the Weights and Measures Act of
eighteen hundred and fifty or something like that. And therefore
every licensed premises or any public premises serving alcohol and

(49:27):
we just use the pipe. For instance, it has a
mark on the glass, a line across that is where
what over size of the glasses, That is where the
measure is for a pipe, and inspectors go around on
a regular basis and also check the nips as well
to see that the required number of fluid ounces is

(49:50):
coming out of the nip or into the.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Glass, right, and what is what is a English point
and the same mills.

Speaker 16 (50:02):
I think your earlier call I had no idea that
I pres he said it was partn and seventy certainly
not six hundred, yes, because.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Because we always we always think that it points six
hundred in New Zealand, because we used to have points
of milk that was six hundred milks.

Speaker 16 (50:19):
To say that that was how milk was. But anyway,
that's how it is. And the other there is an
interesting theory about why you don't get drunk as drunk
on English beer as you do in New Zealand, and
it's still done because well I'm talking to friends over

(50:39):
in England and when I was lastly that's ten years ago,
but they were still brewing beer and dispensing it from
the brewery in wooden barrels, which was pumped out of
the barrel. It was not pressurized. After this, right, you're
just seeing Coronation Street. So the barman in the pub,

(51:02):
I don't know what they're doing now, watched it for you,
but they pull a handle on the bar. It's actually
a pump and it's pumped beer up from wooden cask yep.
And therefore it's quite a different product to the stuff
you're getting aluminium kegs. And as I haven't drunk this
stuff now for in almost twenty years, you say, to
my health, it just toss up between my liver and

(51:24):
drinking yep. But that could well be the reason it is.
It is not pressurized in a wooden cask.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
But now in the UK that surely they're on the
well they do have.

Speaker 16 (51:39):
But there's a lot of pubs that's still well. In fact,
I know.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
They're still putting out.

Speaker 16 (51:45):
It's brewery in Blackburn, which I know and love and
fell in love with many decades ago, still delivers It's
wooden kegs with Clydesdale horses on. It's just a gimmick.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, yeah, because.

Speaker 16 (51:58):
It's early flat town.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah. Well, I think beer delivered by Clysdale horse is
going to be bitter beer. Tasty of beer. Yeah, the
vibes right good, could.

Speaker 16 (52:09):
Be the measurements. You can call anything a pine if
you've got a handle on the dimples. In New Zealand
they call it pie.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yea, yeah, that's that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I was going to ask you, Tony doesn't do your
hidden as as an Englishman who now lives in New Zealand.
But did you say you haven't gone out for twenty years?

Speaker 16 (52:28):
No, I haven't drunk beer, right, okay, or anything else
for that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And how's the lover?

Speaker 16 (52:36):
Fine? Good?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Fine? Yeah, solid.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Well, I'll tell you what. There's one thing for sure,
you your lover will be better if you don't drink
at all. Yeah, the lover takes that takes the brunt
of it, certainly does.

Speaker 16 (52:50):
Did anyone know that the liver actually regenerates itself, So
if you stop drinking, your liver will actually return to
some degree of normality depending on how much some of
the elses you had in it before you stop drinking.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, all right, good to know, good, good to know
this hope for me. Thank you for your thank you
for your call.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Tony, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nine two nine two is the text number.
Some good texts coming through Yiday guys. How about cutting
the X size on kegs by fifty percent. Forget about
the size of the glass, think about how much tax
is in that vessel. The size is irrelevant. The tax
added to the beer is relevant to the government takes

(53:31):
xcized tax GST on the X size And HPA levy,
what's the HPA.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Levy's there's something health I know what the HPA levy is.
It's it's sort of like a health promotion. So it's
the money that is spent to promote people not drinking beer. Basically, Yeah,
I gotcha. So it's kind of like a traitorous little
bit of anti beer tax in the middle there.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Well, as they as a text of finishes. That's why
the prices are like they are. Yeah, I mean, it's
a tax on a tax on a tax on a tax.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Well, that's what I was saying before. The amount of
xis tax paid on a fifty liter of five percent
beer has risen from seven to seventy two to ninety
two point one seven. So thirty two percent of the
price paid is on the tax. And you combine that
with GSC that's fifty percent. Yeah, so fifty percent of
your beer is going on tax before we even start

(54:26):
trying to make money from it.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, do we need to
incentivize pubs and restaurants and hospitality on the back of
that pretty crazy excised tax they've got to pay on
a pint of beer and other alcohol for that matter.
Ninety two is the text number. It is twenty four
past two.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
We're talking about lowering the excised tax or incentivizing hospitality pubs, restaurants,
et cetera, so that they care are able to serve
cheaper pints and get people through the door. Because at
the moment that there is a big pain for hospitality, right,
is that people don't Now.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
The setup is pushing people to buy alcohol and take
it home rather than going to the lovely establishments that
we have the restaurants and bars around the country. We're
also talking about whether there should be a standard size
for a pint. So when you order a pint, should
it come out at a standard size, because now it's
all over the shop with different shaped glasses and they
might not say that it's a point when you order it.

(55:33):
They you know, they just assume it's a handle, right, Yeah,
so you order a pint, you're not really ordering a pint,
you're ordering whatever their schoon or whatever this sized glass
that they that they that they sell as their tap bears.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yeah, standardized it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call ay at Trevor. Hey, guy,
tell you very good. What's your take on this?

Speaker 8 (55:53):
Well quite spooky actually, I was watching sky on news
last night and one of the shows from eleven o'clock
we're having a discussion about that. Now, some people can
block you is but one nation, it wasn't pulling hands
and it was one of the people a part of
one nation, So forget, you know, forget who said it.
But they actually have got a policy to do exactly

(56:14):
what you said, because they put they put forward some
facts and figures on what it's doing to the hospitality
trade in Australia and you know how important it plays
in their society. I know it causes problems, but how
big it is and you know, and what it's doing
to it and the mount of bars that are closing down,
and it really was incredible when they pointed it out

(56:34):
and discussed it. Why you know, you wouldn't look at it,
you just have to look at it, and it was
quite amazing really, And of course at the table discussion
was a labor representative of a Labor party representative, and
the anything they could say is, you know, if you
don't get taged from alcohol, are children are going to
starve in the streets? You know what about education?

Speaker 13 (56:56):
You know what about health?

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Are you going to take the money from those things?
But when you listen to this guy's point of view,
it was really a very strong case to help bars
out and it just seems a very sensibul way of
doing it. Just cutting the excised tax could be a
little bit tricky, there could be a few people trying
to reward it in that but for bars and restaurant
in the hospitality trade because over there it's just dial

(57:20):
what's happening to the bars or because of the cost
of what it is to go out and have a
beer with your mates, with your family, talk to somebody,
not on a phone, you know, not on a video,
talk to somebody and have a conversation and solve the
world's problems. It's so important to a society.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, well, you know, no one's denying that there are
harms from alcohol. But a restaurant and a bar employs people,
and as there's community around it, and people can start
businesses and run businesses and put tax through the system
in other ways. But right now, what's happening is just
people buy beers from the supermarket or from a bottle

(58:01):
store and they just go out the door and then
they take it home and they sit in front of
the TV. And any harm that you're going to get
from alcohol is still happening. It's just not the benefits
such as as establishments being built and you know, all
the creativity and value for you know, a community and

(58:22):
new new buildings going up and new businesses opening and
the vitality that brings the world. So it makes perfect
sense to incentivize bars over drinking at home.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
Absolutely not just drinking from home. We do know people
will go and buy a beer from a shopmake or
someone in a park up somewhere, and I'll probably get
a lot drunker than they would have. There're a beer
where it's a little bit controlled and things. But it
was absolutely staggering the actual damage that is doing in
Australia to the hospitality industry and the amount of people.

(58:55):
And as I say, it's got to be a go.
And I think it's sort of something that David Simol
might come on a few brings it up and points
out what's happening to the hospitality right, and all you're
doing is just subsidizing them a little bit. But the
Damager won't do that. You know that it won't do
and help the money coming in. I think is just
a fantastic, fantastic ideas worth a discussion. But as I say,

(59:17):
the left wingers will say, what about starving children?

Speaker 18 (59:19):
Less?

Speaker 8 (59:20):
Tax less tax school? That's all I can come up with,
So some very good ideas we'll put on that program
last night.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Oh thank you so much for your call, Trevor.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I mean, with that, you think clearly a lot of
people are not going out because they're feeling the cost
of living right A lot of things have got expense
of not just beers and not just eating out at restaurants.
But would that make a massive difference to you if
you're listening right now, what are the reasons that you're
not going out to the pub anymore or to the restaurants?
It purely because you don't have that extra money per

(59:50):
week to go down and have it, have some food
out or a pint out. Love to hear from your
on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, And if
the government reduced the excise tax on the pubs and
made a proper pint nick inkster pint ten bucks instead
of sixteen bucks, would that make all the difference? Love
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Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about
the price of alcohol in our pubs and restaurants.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That's after a sixteen dollar pint it's being sold at
the church in christ Church, but that's a real pint,
so it's kind of a beat up. So they're actually
selling you five hundred and seventy five meals when off
on what you think is a pie and is only
four hundred and twenty five meals. But there's no two
ways about it. Alcohol in bars in restaurants in New
Zealand is incredibly expensive and it has to be for
them to stay in business. So we're floating the idea

(01:02:01):
of incentivising people to drink in bars as opposed to home,
go to the phone. Craig, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (01:02:12):
I used to go to pubs, and I think when
you say in sinivising people that drink the bars rather
than post I stopped going to pubs, not because of price,
but because of just being around drunk people that you
don't know. And you know, it's there's probably only one
or two pubs that I feel comfortable going to. One

(01:02:34):
of them would be The Pool Boy, and it's funny
they don't have bounce, but they don't need because there's
a respect for the vimmo. You know, it's sort of got,
it's got a culture. But the last time I went
into town. I said never again. That was about six
years ago. I've got the man, came at home, the

(01:02:56):
mates come around there, we get on Saturday night. We've
got absolutely mass I screaming a feet way of beds
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
You know, I guess, Craig. The thing is, it's not
all part you know. If you're talking about lowering the
excise on you know, on kig beer or you know, taps,
basically that includes restaurants as well. So you know you
can go out to it to a nice classy restaurant
where people won't be w hastling you.

Speaker 18 (01:03:25):
Yeah you don't go Yeah, but you don't go out.
I mean you go to a pub really for one reason,
don't you, And that's just to have a little bit
more than you probably should most most of the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Time, I don't know. I think I go to pubs
to meet my meet friends in an area. Yeah, so
you know, like so I went to the pub yesterday
that wasn't have more than my fish year. It was
just a convenient place to meet about five or six friends.

Speaker 18 (01:03:49):
I'm talking more in the night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
But you don't go to a night to get absolutely solid.

Speaker 18 (01:03:57):
You can, but you know, I just find pubs now
there there I've lost them just for what I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Know, but it sounds like it sounds like you're running
a pretty good man cave, so you know you've got
some pretty good competition you're running at home. Hey, thanks
to you call Craig. Appreciate it, Okay, your thoughts, Yeah, probably.

Speaker 22 (01:04:17):
A slightly different take on it to Craig, not so
much about getting trolleyed and smashed. But I think that
reducing the fifty percent on kegged beer is a really
positive thing for the industry and also for the socialization
of people actually going to meet people face to face,
which is something that we keep hearing about, especially teenagers

(01:04:40):
these days, they sit behind a screen. So encouraging people
and not encouraging people to drink, but encouraging people to
actually go out and socialize is really really important. And
I think by reducing key tax is one option would
definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, because people just immediately kay, they go to oh,
someone's going out to a bar to get smashed and
all the terrible repucussions of that. But hospitality includes a
whole lot of people that go and have dinner and
haird one or two wines and that's where the difference
between a restaurant staying in business or not is if
they can make some money on the drinks. It doesn't
it's not twelve wines because you get thrown out and

(01:05:19):
you won't be served. But right now it's just incentivized
for people to go to a bottle store. And good
on Craig. He sounds like here's a fantastic time, but
you can't blame him for considering how much cheaper it
is to just go home and drink there.

Speaker 22 (01:05:32):
No one hundred percent. And I think considering the government
right now is talking about their focus being on business growth, yes,
and growth from the economy, and now they've just recently
come out talking about this push for tourism. You know,
beer tourism, like wine tourism is something that New Zealand
hasn't even tapped into yet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, and if more more bars and restaurants can open up,
that's shop fitting. That helps a whole lot of trade's out.
There's a whole lot of different things around that before
you even get into hiring staff and you know, more chefs,
more bartenders, more more building, more people getting out and

(01:06:13):
spending time together, more community.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:06:16):
One hundred percent. And if you think about an industry
like brewing, it's not just about brewers. It's about the
people that grow the hots, it's about the people that
grow the malt. It's about the people that are delivering
the keg exactly. It's a huge supply chain that would benefit.
So I'm all for cutting keg tacks by fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yeah, we're looking now with GST. Half of the price
of a keg of beer that's being sold at a
bar is tax.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, I would assume.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Were even trying to make money.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
I would assume cay most of where the publicans are
making their money are not, as Craig says, the ones
who are going to the pub to get rip snordered,
drug a drunk. It would be the ones who turn
up for a pint on a Sunday, right, Or you
want to go out with your partner and your family
to have a sit down pub dinner and you order
a couple of points and some wines on the site.
That's where they're making their money. It's not the ones

(01:07:04):
who are going there to just get steamed.

Speaker 22 (01:07:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yeah. But every conversation we ever have, someone will goes, wow,
people are just twelve beers mess. It's like, no, what
about dad having two beers with lunch with us kids?

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Exactly? Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Kay, Okay, no, no, you gokay, you've got something else
to say. Okay, I just lost Sorry you talked over.
I shut her down. I'm sorry to do that. So
it's going to have a quite point there. Kay, might
have just had the best point of the day and
then you talked over and then she's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Oh one hundred eighty and eighty. It is the number
of call nineteen nine two. It's the text number. Got
a few more likes?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Ok yeah, ka was good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Hey, come back more, Kay, Liz Tyler. Oh one hundred
eighty ten eighty is a number. Call It's nineteen to three, your.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Say'd be good afternoon, sixteen to three on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
The fat going to text here on Hey guys, it's
the Grinch from last Christmas. Good Day Grinch. We pull
Heineken Tiger and cider from the tap. We offer pints
and half pints based purely on the fact most people
know and what they are and what the approximate size is.
We charge sixteen dollars for a pint, so that's the
same as the church in christ Church and thirteen for
a half. How does that work, hey, difference. We also

(01:08:30):
pay freight to bring product over to Wahiki, pay for
the lines to be clean, water and power and wages
to wash glassware, and pay a fortune for water. So
we have to supply this free of charge as part
of our license. Last summer, for example, we paid five
thousand dollars for water from November through until March, plus
we pay to get rid of waste water. By law,
we have a legal responsibility to not allow customers to

(01:08:50):
become intoxicated. Where as you or I can go into
an offslot license and buy the entire stock and take
this home to consume. Long wind and I know, but
best you come over to Aahiki and have a point
with us. Jeers Simon, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Yep, absolutely great place to have a pint.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, so I'm just talking about this, you know, about
the off license versus drinking bars. This from hospitality in
New Zealand. From our perspective, one of the key drivers
for people choosing to stay home rather than head out
to hospital venues is cost. The difference in the price
of alcohol for off life's premises versus online premises sites
of substantial people don't heed the venues just to have

(01:09:25):
a drink. But we've long said one of the options
to encourage people out to venues is to lower excise
tax on tap beverages. This wouldn't just capture beer, as
wine and spirit mixes are increasingly served through taps in
an effort to allow venues to offer more competitive pricing. Yeah,
because get out of the house. It's better than stay
at home.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
In my opinion, makes a lot of sense. GAYL, good afternoon.
You owned a country park a couple of years back.

Speaker 16 (01:09:49):
We did.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Yes, well, great to chat with you.

Speaker 23 (01:09:53):
Thank you. You haven't spoken yet, but anyway, Yeah, it
was mainly the other overheads rather than the price of
the booze itself, because we had to get a building
wear on a fitness because the building was old, we
had we had to have super duper batteries to run

(01:10:13):
the emergency lighting for half an hour if the place
caught on fire. We had to have insurance, and it
was an old building, so the insurance was really expensive.
Plus you've got your acc levels, levees and council statification,

(01:10:35):
you know, all the clean areas. You've got to have
your kitchen certified. You've got to have this certified, you've
got to have your ice machine cleaned out. And it
was all those prices that doubled the price of a pint.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah, so yeah, and you've got to pay that, you know,
pay for all that with just half the you know,
with half the money already going from a keg to tax.

Speaker 23 (01:11:05):
Yeah, and that's even like even that's because we got
rid of Sky TV, because that goes on the cubic
meter of your building. So nine years ago we had
Sky and we were paying nine hundred dollars a month

(01:11:26):
because it was a big area. So we got rid
of Sky. So Sky to any any business that's running
Sky saying yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, you have to pay more because you're it's a
public broadcast rather than a private one in.

Speaker 23 (01:11:39):
A house exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:11:41):
And then there's that one music that you've got to
pay for. So if you have music playing, you've got
to pay that, and that goes on the area of
the place.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
So do you think that do you think that a
bunch of stuff should be done across the board, not
just what we're talking about with the excise tax on.

Speaker 23 (01:11:58):
Just keep heading the tax because the government needs money,
but all the other ones that you need to get
the guy from the church like he'll be able to
explain it more than what I can. But yeah, it's
everyone else dipping into your dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
And you said you owned a country pub. Do you
not own it anymore?

Speaker 12 (01:12:22):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:12:22):
We sold it a couple of years ago and that was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
That because it was too hard to do it, or
you just wanted to move on.

Speaker 23 (01:12:28):
We just wanted to move on. But it was you know,
it was all right. It was a mum and dad
place that Heavey and I did, and we did it
for about eight years and then just thought, yeah, now
what's what's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
The what's the quality of life like running a mum
and dad country pub?

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
It's twenty four seven.

Speaker 23 (01:12:48):
Yeah, it's not bad though, you know it was. It
was good for the first seven years. After that was
you know, you can't stay in the forever.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
How big was the township that you were servicing?

Speaker 23 (01:13:03):
About one hundred and fifty people?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Oh yeah, that's tight now that is you were community leaders.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
But yeah, that's where a community pub like that, like
a country pub, is actually doing a service for all
all the angry texts we're getting here for promoting alcohol
and the abuse and the threats that people forget that
a country public that is a center for a town.
Without it, then the town sort of disintegrates to a
certain extent.

Speaker 23 (01:13:28):
But then the laws change and you can't have anyone
intoxicated on your premises.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
So if the rugby.

Speaker 23 (01:13:35):
Club pulled in and one of them was drunk, you
had to turn them all away because not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Not easy for a mapar operation to kick out a
whole rugby club.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
He thank you so much for your call, Gail.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
It's good insight, and she said, thanks Gail. A heck
of a lot of overheads aside from the extra tax
that you're paying on your beer, and she listed a
big list there which would make there's a lot of headaches.
Why would you bother running a country pub. Apart from
the fact that it would be quite funny, You're just
not going to make any money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I think it's one of those is that people have.
It'll be wonderful to move the country, run a parb,
move to the country run a store or a cafe
or something, or just generally leave your job and run
one of those things. And it's always so much work
when you get there. It's the hard Hospo is the
hardest work you're going to do. Hospit and farming is
the hardest working you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Absolutely backbones, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties. The
number to call it is ten to three.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Trevor had a valid point. Drinking out has become way
too expensive. Owning your own home as fast becoming the same,
and council rates are taxing people out of their homes,
tax the middle class for they have not social engineering
is alive and well that's from m Okay, there you go.
My husband and I went to a restaurant type bar
yesterday for dinner. No price on the menu for the beer,
but prices for all the other drinks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Seems unusual that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
That might just have been an oversight. The price of
drinks is the problem. Paid eleven dollars for a corona
in Albany, you can buy twelve for twenty two dollars.
That's why hospital is failing. Sell it for six and
you'll still make a profit, said cheers Leap. See that's
the problem. They can't because there is so many so many,
as a Gale pointed out, there's so many expenses, wages, insurance,

(01:15:37):
you know, rent everything before you get get tax the warzoo.
I mean, bars would would charge less if they could,
if they could stay in business for selling the beers
for six dollars. You just couldn't do it exactly, which
is why we're talking about maybe incentivizing people to go
to bars instead of drinking at home. Ben, welcome to

(01:15:57):
the show. You've got some thoughts on Uzzie pubs versus
New Zealand pubs.

Speaker 24 (01:16:01):
Hey, boys, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Being very good?

Speaker 24 (01:16:05):
Hey, Look, I loved away from the New Zealand for
about twelve years, back back and forth between Sydney and Melbourne,
and I sort of had just the comparison once moving
back home, you know, with the family, and yeah, just
interesting you know, the drinking culture is different over there,
Like you know, you have like people over here and

(01:16:30):
they go, oh, you know, he's like to drink their drinks.
You know, they get get on it and this and that.
But it's it's it's further than that. It's it's it's
just it's not the case. They're not boozers as we
are here. And the drinking culture is just so different.
Like you've you're almost raised around a pub or you know,

(01:16:51):
be a rural one or in a city one. It's
not a taboo kind of place that you go to.
There's good food. It's it's almost like a community hub, right,
and we don't have that, Like we don't have that,
ye and like using that, using even using Sydney as
an example. You know, I lived in a city Sydney

(01:17:14):
for for years and you know, even there, there's every
second corner has got a great pub and they're knowing
for their different things and like, you know, the beers
are cheap, they're cold, the food is like we were
blown away when we moved over because we were like
you could go and have a ten dollar steak, rump steak,

(01:17:37):
but you know, rump steak chips salad and ten bar
like you wouldn't get that hair. It's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah, I remember there's there's that way as well in England.
I remember when I lived over there. I lived in
a subur good Highgate and you know, I'd get off
the tube and I'd go and have dinner there before
I went home, and there'd be families that always had
their dinner at the pub and you might have a
pint before you went home. It was a very different
approach to to bars. And there's no doubt there's some
people that went went hard, but it was just a

(01:18:08):
slightly more community center, ye kind of situation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Good discussion. Thank you very much to everybody that called
in text, and thank you Ben. And I think it
is clear that we need to do something to help
out hospitality because it is a life blood of a
country and they're struggling at the moment. But we've got
something new on the table. After three o'clock, let's talk
about streak kids.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoon with the Volvo
XC ninety used talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
ZIB Good afternoon, Hope you're having a great Monday afternoon.
And a good discussion ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
On the weekends, I went along to Eden Park to
watch the Blues play the Chiefs as a fantastic crowd,
fantastic event. Unfortunately the Blues lost, but it was exciting
super rugby. I thought across the weekend the changes that
they've made have really really sped things up.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
That was fantastic, great start to the competition, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
There were a lot of streakers at Eden Park and
there were streakers across the country. It's an interesting thing streaking.
I've got a few questions about it. Why, why do
people want to streak? What do they get out of it?
What does the streaker get out of it? Yeah, the
crowd seems to cheer when people streak, but it's a
little bit more complex than that for the venues because
they don't know who's going on to the field. So
what do people think about streaking under at eighty ten?

(01:19:33):
Eighty nine two nine two's the text number? Yeah, because
I mean, you don't know, you know, like, yeah, it's
an interesting one because the crowd cheers. I've got I've
got absolutely no time for streaking. If it gets in
the way of play, if people make it about themselves.
Got absolutely no time for that. It's really weird type

(01:19:54):
of streaking that you sometimes see where people run on
and they're filming themselves for the TikTok. Those people should
be tasered immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Absolutely terrible. It can't be taken a selfie way. You're streaking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
There's people that run on at Eden Park that had
their pants still on, which is just running on the perchain.
Yeah that's white man. Yeah, so what do people think
about it? I mean, venues have to be cracked down
on it. There could not be a situation where streaking
was just allowed to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Oh it's a security thing, isn't it. You know, you
don't know what sort of weird I was going to
be jumping on the field. And a lot of these
people must be slightly strange if they're taking off all
their cat and running on to a rugby field with
thirty thousand spectators to have a look at the air
downstairs operation. I mean, it's a strange thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
It is definitely a strange thing to do. I mean
we you know, the most famous streak in New Zealand,
I guess, was at Eden Park in nineteen seventy seven.
When Greg Chapel, the Australian captain, grabbed the streaker who
had very had some white headphones on the streaker in
a very white bottom and heavy tan lines and Greg
Chapel just grabbed him and whacked them around the bump.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
He would have got a massive bruising on his butt.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
They wouldn't let him go because he was so sick
of it. And it used to be absolutely insane. If
you watch the nineteen ninety one Cricket World Cup, is
the nineteen ninety two Cricket World Cup. Footage of that
comes sometimes pops up on my Cricket Gold channel on
my TV. The people just ran on the field. It
was absolutely anarchy, you know. And when your team won,

(01:21:25):
when the New Zealand team one, you'd have to sprint
off like you've got Martin Crow sprinting off the field
as everyone came in running for their lives.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
That is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
That was a crazy situation. Certainly was yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
But you find them entertaining. I mean, I know it
is a tough one and you were there and the
crowd start yahooeen, so by that element there's a little
bit of entertainment there. But I think it's dropped off substantially,
where a lot more people would look at that and say,
I think they call it the main character syndrome, that
that person thinks are the main character and just ruining

(01:21:58):
the experience for a lot a lot of other people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Yeah, I don't know, because I do like perk up
and watch when someone strets. I'm not sure if I
think it's a good thing. It's just so weird. It's
just such a weird thing. You're watching a game of
rugby and then there's suddenly some nude guy run across
the field and you're like why, and then the security
slam him on the ground and drag them off, And
it nearly always is a dude that's doing it. There

(01:22:23):
was a famous female streaker, but I think that was organized.
We all know that that incident. But also I totally
see it from the stadium's point of view that they
can't allow it because you don't know in this day
and age, whether the person's what their intention is when
they run on the field. It could be someone protesting
some strange thing and a player could get injured. So

(01:22:46):
I don't know. I don't know where I said. I
think it has to be cracked down on because but
I would be lying if I say I don't find
it amusing when it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
I wouldn't be against the security guards having tases. And
if you want to try and give it a crack
and streaking air a football match, you've got to make
it past the security guards with tasers. Good luck to you.
If you get onto the pitch butt naked, okay, well done.
But then if you get taken down by a security guard,
whether it's being clotheslined as is the case now, or
taken out with a taser, then I think fair enough. Yeah,

(01:23:19):
those security guards have got a job to do, which
is keep people off the pitch. If they need tases
to do that, give them dases. Well, it felt like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
At Eton Park there was some kind of orchestrated attack
because a lot of people from different directions came on
at the same time. Yeah, yeah, Well your thoughts on
streaking eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ninety two. Should
there be bigger fines? Should the stadiums be empowered to
you know, because the fines are much bigger in Australia.

(01:23:47):
I know that the stadium's got together and wrote letters
to the previous government asking for the fine to be
at least five thousand dollars to be applied and enforced
by spectators and entering, that enforced on spectators entering the
field to play, and a higher fine of ten thousand
dollars or similar be applied in instances where the pitch

(01:24:07):
invasion strupts the event taking place, and that that lifetime
bands be considered by offenders across all stadiums. So stadium
operators wrote to the government to grant Robertson the Minister
of Sport in June twenty twenty three, but no action
has been taken on that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I actually think, you know, there should be a bit
of code of conduct between streakers themselves. When I watched
that video and that streaker had been taken down and
then he wriggled out of the security guard's arms and
then started running, and I thought, no, that's not fair play.
You get if you get tackled, streaker, then you're done.
That's it. You can't just wriggle out because you button
naked and keep going. That's not how it works.

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
You think about your job, though, Tyler, say every now
and then you came to work and I'd strip naked
and you had to tackle me and take me out
of the building. Right, yeah, I think you'd start complaining.
As a job you know, you should rightfully be expect
to go to work without me getting nude, running around
the table and you having to take me out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Decent pay rise event was a case.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
You see what my point is there. If you're going
to work to be security, you know it is part
of your job to have to be grabbing a naked
dude around the butt. You'd hope not getting is all
business up in your face. I mean, I don't know.
It seems a little bit unfair on them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nineteen ninety two is the text number. It's
fourteen past three, sixteen past three. We're talking about streaking
on the back of the opening of the Super Rugby competition.
A lot of streakers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
So currently under the Events Management Act, a conviction provides
conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months
or a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars. But you know,
a pretty light approach is generally taken to streaking. So
what do you think about Let's go to the phones. Aaron,
welcome to the show. How are you today?

Speaker 13 (01:25:55):
Good things?

Speaker 7 (01:25:55):
Mate?

Speaker 13 (01:25:56):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Are you very good? You want to talk about a
Blooderslow cup streaker? Yeah, yeah, sorry I said you look
oh yeah, no I saying that you want to talk
about a Bladerslow cup streaker.

Speaker 13 (01:26:08):
Yeah, that was me streaker?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
You were you were the streaker. Oh Son took us
through this, this this situation, the voteraphone streaker. What do
you mean by that?

Speaker 13 (01:26:21):
There was two of us have done it?

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Ah, yeah, breaking up.

Speaker 13 (01:26:28):
We had votaphone PXT written on on ourself and yeah
we we lost the game, that's right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
And you was it you or your mate held up
Andrew Mutens?

Speaker 13 (01:26:38):
As part of that was that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
One of you held up Andrew Murtens? Is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:26:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Oh, we've gotta we've gotta, we've got a terrible line
era and we really want to check you a little
bit more. Just move to the left or right and
we'll keep we'll keep talking with you. Hopefully that comes right.
So clearly, clearly that was a corporate stunt era. And
what did you get for your your pardon streaking?

Speaker 13 (01:27:08):
Well, I can tell you I want to paid by votaphone.
But yes, I was paid and there was a deal there.
We were if we made it on the field, we're
going to get five hundred bucks. If we made it
on TV, we get a thousand bucks. And at the
time I was living at Manly on Modern Beaches. They
paid for a TAXI paid for the picket, pay for

(01:27:30):
a hotel room and yeah to pay hotel room, paid
yourselves up and a week ago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
So who paid you?

Speaker 13 (01:27:41):
The promotions company at the time, right, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Vota Phones promotional company.

Speaker 13 (01:27:48):
Yeah, wow, they didn't actually pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
So how much did you get in the end? You see,
five hundred for getting on the field? Was there a
bonus if you managed to survive on the field for longer?
I tell you another another grand Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:28:02):
Yeah, we've got a ground all up and my fine
paid for So twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Three years after that event, how do you feel about it?

Speaker 13 (01:28:11):
Ah, it was a good time. I'll tell you that
everybody knew me. My grandparents are proud.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
So can you see can you see it from the
stadium's point of view and securities point of view that
that it's that it can't be allowed to happen regularly?

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:28:33):
Yeah, one and at the time it was only two
and a dollar fine for entering the field. Now two
thousands or five thousand, they put it up to straight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Away, did you get a band from stadiums? Nos?

Speaker 13 (01:28:47):
Out there. Probably three or four weeks later, the Warriors play.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Did you keep did you keep your pants on? So
you do you have any regrets?

Speaker 13 (01:29:04):
I regret that we lost the game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 13 (01:29:09):
At the time we were winning, but we didn't disrupt
the game either. We ran on when it was a penalty,
so we didn't actually disrupt the game. You know, sou
the game you're an idiot?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean that that sort of
happened at Eden Park. Guy was getting very close to
the back line and that annoys me because that's, as
you say, Tyler, that's main character syndrome. You know, people
are here to watch the rugby. They're not here to
watch your be a Buttah.

Speaker 13 (01:29:39):
She's going to do it when a break in the rugby,
like an injury time or something like that, do not
sit the game. People aren't there to who aren't there
to watch you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
What I means to your mate he got arrested in me?

Speaker 13 (01:29:54):
Yeah, because yeah, he got charged because he refused to
give his name. He wasn't my mate. She only mad
him that night, but he refused. He'd sit the night
and the girl for the police station.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
In the nerd or do they cover that again?

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Yeah, that's very generous of them. But yeah, I mean
did that did that stay on his record at all?
You know, did it go to court?

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:30:18):
Because he caught with the court. He got fined. See
I only got fined seven hundred dollars. Was two hundred
dollars for entering a playing field and five hundred dollars
for behaving in a decent offensive manner. They're just instant tickets.
There's no record of it. He went to court and
got charged, So he's got those two charges on us. Ledger.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Do you do you think do you think that you're streaking?
Was why Andrew Muten's missed the cake?

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
No, what did mer say? Mertz would beg to different
than they.

Speaker 13 (01:30:53):
You told me to off somebody?

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Well, right, so you know you're you're one of New
Zealand's most famous streakers. But but you you can see
now that there are problems with streaking.

Speaker 13 (01:31:11):
Oh there is when you get like three or four
people doing at a different title war at the same
time or whatever, and there she upset in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
It's a stupid Yeah, And from a security goes perspective,
they don't necessarily want your tackle in their face while
they tackle you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Almost not necessarily, as I think, Yeah, absolutely, they don't
want that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
It's not whether in the game window sport.

Speaker 13 (01:31:33):
You probably don't want to be maked either. It's a
window sport.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Well, Aaron, very good to chat with you, and thank
you for being so upfront.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
In frank, thank you, Thank you so much, Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
But I do know about that. So what did he
How much money did he get after he paid his fine?
I think he ended up with about five hundred bucks
to show your tackle in front of what forty thousand
people to blitterslow. I don't know if that's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, well, I mean i'd ever do it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
How much? How much would it take for me to
do it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Yeah, there'll be no amount of money for me to
do it. A million dollars, oh probably a million? Yeah, yeah, right,
we can.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Put the hat around you come on New Zealand. That's
less than a dollar a piece.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
I just think, Yeah, I mean, if you if you're
upsetting at the game, then then it's just not on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you work
in security, love to hear from you on this as well.
How do you feel about streakers? Nine to nine till
is the text number? It is twenty three parts three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Madd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Good afternoon, how do we feel about streakers? On the
back of a few streakers in the opening rounds of
Super Rugby Pacific this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
This Texas says, I'd laugh at a streaker jumping into
an MMA cage. See how that goes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Yeah, that is that is some guts if you're going
to streak, going streak at the MEMA.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Like Tiles and Maddie, I saw a game where the
security guard actually broke a streaker's femur. They all haste
hay stacked on the bugger, cheers Mikey. I mean if
you if you run out into the field, then you
get you get what's coming through, you know what's you
know what's coming. Yeah, you know what's coming. And that
is a no sympathy. A lot of people are talking

(01:33:23):
about this, and I heard this on Kerry Show this
morning as well, about why is it that at venue,
like at a stadium, the security can tackle a person,
but and yet they seem to just let people walk
out of supermarkets with trolleys and not forcibly stop them.
It's a totally different situation. You're under a different you're
under a different act. You're under the Major Events Management Act,

(01:33:47):
and so when you go in and you buy your ticket,
you are you are committing to not running on the field,
and so once you've done that, you can be slammed.
It's a totally different thing if you're leaving a supermarket.
But I would support people that are trying to steal
from supermarkets getting absolutely smashed by Red Badge.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Definitely, Yeah, absolutely broken there as well. Why not you're
stealing from a supermarket? Simon, how are you here this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (01:34:12):
Thanks for having me on the show, guys, And yeah, Matt,
I'm halfway through your Orange book moment in a very
good book by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Oh thank you so much, Simon. I appreciate that.

Speaker 11 (01:34:20):
Oh good read there, But what the trick is there?
I was going to challenge any trickers actually calling and
the first caller did, so I guess that's happened. But
how many males strict compared to females. I can't remember
seeing any females, but I know they have, but it
seems that the majority of the males. But I think
if the penalty was a complete band from all stadiums

(01:34:42):
in New Zealand and it went on to your record,
that could stop it. But then again, when you go
to it, maybe a cricket game where you're there for
you know, six or seven hours, and you start to
get into the later part of the afternoon, you've had
a few drinks in your and your mates are doing it.
Then yeah, that's in your quite young university, in your
twenties or thir is, it's you're probably more than likely

(01:35:03):
to be egged on to do it then, but you
almost know that you're going to be tackled down and
carried off and taken out by the cops and not
come back. And as I think, it's something that's very
very hard to do. You now you can double the
matter security guards and you might not make it across
the other side, but still that thirty seconds of fame
certainly is going to make it attractive for some people there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Yeah, it's an interesting kind of fame though, isn't it.
So you know, because Mum's going to see that, Grandma
is going to see that.

Speaker 16 (01:35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Yeah, maybe your mates think you're cool, but.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
For the rest of the family, awkward Christmas time discussions.

Speaker 11 (01:35:39):
Yeah, and then then that last guy is talking about it,
what twenty twenty five, thirty years later after he did it,
So yeah, I don't think there's any money that would
would and he gave me to do it, you know,
million dollars. Yeah, I mean basically, yeah, if it's on
your record, then it's going to prevent you from traveled
to a degree in and ployment situation. So yeah, and

(01:36:01):
if you put a complete ban on all stadiums in
New Zealands, I don't think the infrastructure is there to
be able to if you did it at the it's
in Auckland. I don't think the seven infrastructure there to
stop you getting into the studium in christ Church or
Wellington or the Mead a year or two later. You
know that's yeah, there's not enough to tenrant there to
stop you doing it in that way. But yeah, I

(01:36:22):
think there's always going to be an element of younger
people that are going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
So yeah, Well, in twenty twenty three, the you know,
the the leaders of basically all of New Zealand's major
stadiums written wrote to the government and asked that the
fine be at least five thousand be changed. In the mema,
that the fine of at least five thousand dollars be
applied and forced for spectators entering the field to play,
and a higher fine of ten thousand dollars or similar applied.

(01:36:48):
And this is where the pitch incursion disrupts the event
taking place. You don't think the potential for a ten
thousand dollars fine would would stop someone.

Speaker 11 (01:37:01):
If you haven't had a lot of drink, then you
probably think about ten thousand dollars. But most you've had
a few drinks and it's you know, three o'clock in
the afternoon and a quicker and then you're not going
to think of those conflicts, those consequences. You're just going
to be egged on by your mates. You're a bit
gullible and you're going to just in about ten seconds,
you're going to down to take it and you're going
to be gone. And after in the afternoon, the security

(01:37:23):
guards getting a bit tired to bend on the feet
all day. It's a hot day, and here comes a streaker.
I mean, yeah, it's a security thing. You could do
something to one of the players or something like that.
But yeah, it depends what the streaker is going to do.
If the streects is going to run across the other side,
jump the fence and into the crowd, that's fine. If
they're going to keep running around then and just keep

(01:37:44):
doing laps for a minute, then you're going to get caught. Yeah,
it depends how far you go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
What about a what about a spanking from Greek Chapel
that would stop you doing it again? Surely it's pretty embarrassing.

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
It probably just adds to the ads to you being
able to boast about it later.

Speaker 7 (01:38:02):
On the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Great Greek Tap. If we're going back to ninety seventy seven,
Greek Chapel was run out. Was he was so discombobulated
by the streaker that he had rightfully grabbed and whacked
repeatedly around the bare bottom with his bat. But but
he didn't get over it in great trouble, very easy
run out in the next delivery.

Speaker 11 (01:38:24):
That would be certainly something to bust a back going forward,
and we certainly wouldn't go for a job, a job
in the events, but that's certainly something that's you'd be
in the way. You'd be pretty proud if I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Yeah, Simon, this thank you so much for your call, Simon,
and thank you for reading my book. Thanks. Thanks. This
is interesting. Would be pretty funny if the punish punishment
was being put on a sex offended register.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
That would stop streakers.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call?
Is that what happens in America?

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
It's interesting around Yeah, I mean I think you can
there's some quite quite full on, you know, repercussions for
being nude around children because of are our children at grounds? Right,
So it's an interesting idea. So what's worse in your
and your opinion Tyler and everyone's opinion nineteen nine two,
eight hundred eighty teen eighty running nude through a shopping mall, yep,

(01:39:21):
or running onto the field at a stadium or.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
We in society standards?

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Yeah, just just I mean the kind of the similar thing, right,
someone could get really you know, hyped up and run
through a shopping mall, right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Yeah, there shouldn't be that much difference now you think
about it. But if you try and do that through
a shopping mall, you know you're going to end up
in court. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
a number to call. Headlines coming up and plenty of
calls to get to it is twenty seven of.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Thank you very much. Ray Leena. It's twenty four to four.
We're talking about streakers.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Yeah, welcome to the show. Pete. Your thoughts on this,
hey you Pete, Pete good.

Speaker 19 (01:41:25):
I think it should be a total band against male streakers,
but been a male dominated sport. Maybe an exception on
the woman. I just haven't They're like, no, I think
I think they should be totally banned because the end
of the day. Yeah, back in the seventies eighties and
that was a bit of entertainment you know, you get
a bit of streaker on the field. But this we

(01:41:45):
have these radicals out there nowadays, and you don't know.
It was just the way the world's gone. I think
we just can't lay out anymore. And I think, you know,
if they get caught, they should be a good fine,
ten thousand dollars fine or something, and they should be
banned also from entering any footy arena in New Zealand

(01:42:06):
for maybe five years. Are you it's also putting up
the cost of our tickets too, or you don't got
the security now what it's costing out security around these fields,
So we can cut those costs down. I mean, maybe
can keep their tickets. They're all trying to get more
bums on seats. But all these costs which are occurring
by the even employing all these securities, it's got to

(01:42:27):
be pay for, so it comes in the price of
your ticket. So I'm much said to stay. I'm actually
I'm right against streak has been on fields now just
the way the world has gone.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, and that's it's a really good point that you
make that the security issue, because maybe someone's running on
the field for a joke and laugh with their mates.
Or maybe they've got something more sinister that they've got planned,
and that's quite terrifying. And when I was at Eden Park,
about four of the people around on the field, they
weren't streakers, they weren't new they had pants on, so
you don't know if they're carrying a knife or what's

(01:42:59):
going on there. So it does feel like the world
has changed a little bit that people there there, they're
kind of more extreme views going on. Thank you so
much for your for your pete, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
What happened to the idea of the lifetime bands that
never got across the line, did it? I know that
you mentioned before that was one of the things asked
for by a raft of stadium CEOs in New Zealand
and abroad. Yeah, but that never came into play.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
So yeah. This was a letter that was written to
the government in June twenty three. It was written to
Grant Robinson, who was the Minister of Sport and Recreation
at the time, and what they wanted was that a
fine of five thousand dollars be applied and forced for
spectators entering the field of play, and a higher fine
of ten thousand if they are an instance where they
disrupt the event. That lifetime bands be considered for offenders

(01:43:47):
across all stadiums in New Zealand, so if you got done,
you weren't just march from Eden Park or Forsyth Bar.
The significant finds and convictions be applied to offices and
directors of businesses who incentivive this kind of behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Well, a lifetime ban across all stadium surely that would
do it. If you're a massive sport fan and you
streak and you're done in terms of live sport watching,
surely that would be something.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Mark you're an ex security guard if you had to
deal with the streaking situation.

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
We've had quite a few of them. I worked for
the company that remain names, but I've worked on a
lot of sports builds where we've had numerous events where
people have come on board and jumped over the gates
and the all defenses and tried to get onto the field.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
And what is your view on that as a security guard?
Is that something that you want to have to deal with?

Speaker 7 (01:44:41):
Well, no, it's not something you want to deal with
for the presented with you with no clothes. Yeah, the
first thing is where exactly am I going to grape
this person. So, yeah, it is. It is an awkward
situation for security to deal with. It's also very awkward
for the security companies that work for these because, yes,

(01:45:05):
even though it is a major events and it comes
under that act, basically, manhandling anybody, whether your security guard
or not, is a very dangerous position to be bottom. Yeah,
and a lot of these, like we've seen at Even Park,
a lot of these crash tackles and clothes lines and such.

(01:45:27):
Fortunately no one has been seriously hurt, but if someone
had been, that security guard would certainly be in a
lot of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Yeah, I was wondering about that, is there because I mean,
I guess there's can be. There's been accusations of excessive
force in the past.

Speaker 7 (01:45:44):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it comes down to firstly, the
pre briefing that you've had between the stadium and the
security company that you're working for. They will give you
directions on what the expectations are in the way to
handle this sort of particular situation. Then the individual guard
is actually standing there and they're making their own personal

(01:46:05):
assessment of this person that's breached on for the field,
this person acting in an aggressive manner, are they both
having a bit of a you know, Yahoo and so
that you're getting cheered on by their friends. Do they
pose a danger or do they not? I think a
lot of times you know that directing with quite a

(01:46:28):
how I put it, with quite a lot of determination
of force in order to get this person under control.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Yeah, So what do you say, because there's always people
that will say that security guard just wanted to show
their pace and you know, try out, try out for
the team by how hard they smashed the streaker. Is
there any truth in that?

Speaker 7 (01:46:51):
Not that I experienced. There's certainly a security guards out
there that are standing there for eight hours a day
just praying for something to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Yeah, because when I was a kid that you know,
when I'd go to Karrisbrook to watch cricket games, the
police seem to be running the secure and they would
stand right at the back and get to watch the game.
So that was a decent detail for police security. Then
I'm not sure when they swapped over to paying you know, recruit,
but but they having to watch the whole game and
you you've got your back to the game. That's pretty punishing,

(01:47:24):
isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
You're just watching that's that's what you're there. You're paid
to watch the people, not the game. You're actually like
a perimeterive security guard on the field whose job is
to watch the stands to prevent people from coming over.
If you're standing around watching the game and somebody actually
gets past you, it's probably going to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Yeah, yeah, right, what happens? What happens mark after you've
you know, like security have grabbed the person and they've
dragged them off. What happens in that next stage of it?
Are the police called? Do you take them into a
special room? How does that go down?

Speaker 7 (01:48:00):
It basically comes down to what the pre boof was
with the idea and organizers themselves to what they actually
wish to happen. They may not actually give us direction
on it. They just want us to take care of
be done with it. If the police are there, the
police will certainly volunteer to put hands on this person
and take them away from us. Again. If not, if

(01:48:21):
there is no direction on that that, we'll just expelling
them out of the gate. How if they were carrying
any clothes on them, then we would probably be looking
at the taking them to a more quieter, secure place
in order to organize actually retrieve in their clothes for
them and then put them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Out the gate so you can you can you can
detain them.

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
It's not so much of the detainment, whereas the point
that you know, while the person is still unclosed and
still running around what is essentially private property, you have
a responsibility to ensure as little harm is done as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
It's funny that you think it's funny. It's funny Mark
that you know someone's stripped off and run out into
the field and caused a disruption, and yet security is
still worry about halving them out on the street. In
the note, it feels like that should be part of
the punishment. Okay, mate, we've got your details.

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
It's kind of the same policy as what the police had.
As soon as they put hands on you can take
you into custody.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Yeah, and now you would so you're responsible for their
welfare at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
And that's interesting, Mark, So what are the instructions you
get as a security guard if someone does jump on
on the pitch. I would have thought you've got to
take you know, you've got to control those or get
those people as fast as possible. And you're saying that's
not quite the case. You're saying, you've got to stop them,
but you can't hurt them while.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
You do that. Well, you can't intentionally hurt anybody, right
For any of this course, it always comes down to
the nimb of force needed to be able to control
the situation or bring the situation to an end. Running
out there and you know, some guys just having a
h are running along the side of the field, jumping

(01:50:01):
up and down, making a clown of himself doesn't really
require to be spared tackled by five guys at way
one hundred and twenty kgs each. I mean, you can
literally just run up and sort of surround them and
in a lot of times communication to them. They'll just
sit there and go yep, okay, hands up, you caught
me right, And you can just approach them and sort
of take them by the forearm and just walk them off.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:50:23):
I don't unless somebody is running making aggressive gestures, yelling,
scream with profanity and actually running directly at a player,
I don't believe they're head high tackles or spear tackling somebody.
You know, it has to be in part with the
level of threat that you that you believe is being
producted towards you or towards a player.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Oh, thank you so much for those insights. Mark really
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Yeah, very interesting, Thank you very much. Fourteen to four
to go, a few more calls very shortly, the issues.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Have it all?

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Youth talk said, it is eleven to four, so we're
talking about streakers this Texas's streakers are just disruptive dickheads.
Penalty should be one thousand dollars fine and sixty days
in prison. Let's see how keen the second time around.
That's from Grant. Yeah, well, the stadiums in New Zealand
are asking for a ten thousand dollars fine for pitch

(01:51:25):
invading if you affect the game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Yeah, two is the text number. Let's go to the phones. Sparrow,
how are you.

Speaker 8 (01:51:36):
Good?

Speaker 13 (01:51:37):
Leads?

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
You see your thoughts on this? Sparrow.

Speaker 15 (01:51:42):
Yeah, I think it's a thing that was done in
the past. I mean, you know it was all done
in good fun. But I think it's days done. I
mean I can remember the days when Mark Ellis, Betty Rudge.
They were doing that was the Cafe Sports Cafe, and
I think Mark ellis challenged and put up for a
reward for how far you got across the panic?

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
Yeah he did. But again, is you say, Sparrow, do
you think look, we looked it's streaking. I think a
little bit differently back in there that would have been
late two thousands, early two thousands, from five, yeah, or even.

Speaker 15 (01:52:18):
Late nineties, and I think, yeah, I just think it was.
I don't know it was acceptable, but society has changed
and we don't know what people's intentions are. So yeah,
I think it's it's it's a sad indictment on society.
But yeah, it's done. Its dash, and I think guys
are just gonna learn not to do it because women

(01:52:41):
aren't doing it anymore. But I think it's ninety nine
to one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
It's all dudes. All, it's all dudes, Sparrow. One thing
that I thought that Mark Alis did that was very
funny was writing down a three miles hell with a
pumpkin on his head, preach out. He's a very funny
man man. Mark mark allis clever dude.

Speaker 15 (01:53:03):
Doing a lot of great things back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Yeah, certainly has sparrow, Thank you very much. A quick
couple of texts, Guys, how come security staff you've mentioned
this are allowed to tackle general public for streaking but
not allowed to even stop someone from walking out of
a supermarket with a trolley. We did mention that is
that you kind of it's on the back of the
ticket right, terms and conditions of entering the stadium. Yes,

(01:53:27):
is that if you invade the pitch then you can
get manhandled.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
As the sexta says, when you buy a ticket to
the event, the small print you agree to allows the
security to tackle you if you run onto the field
or something similar. It does seem odd though, and I
think probably a lot of people in New Zealand world
support like a full flying tackle on someone that's trying
to wheel a trolley out of a supermarket. They're paying
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Yeah, it's not like they're victimiss you know, they know
what they do and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Stealing for goodness. Just like someone's trying to steal with
a trolley out of supermarket and a security guard comes
running at pace across the car park.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
That's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
It takes them out all the food and eggs and
everything's get smashed everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
This Texas is I thought no one except police are
allowed to lay hands on anyone unless stopping an assault.
Laying hands and a stranger is an assault of unavided.
That's why security guards and supermarkets are hamstrying to stop shoplifting.
But I think it's streaking. You've got someone that's running
onto the field. They know they're not supposed to be there.
Security have to protect the players, so you know, and
it's in the fine print when you go into the

(01:54:54):
ground that you're you're not going to go onto the field.
So that's why you get absolutely smoked if you run
onto the field.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Absolutely, guys, the field of vaders are just trespassing. Yes
to life. Time be ends on all stadiums around New
Zealand and this one streaker should be tasted the moment
they step onto the grass. Then build the cost. Oh
that is it goes a step above what I said.

(01:55:20):
I'm all for tasers, but well, I don't know if
you changed on the cost of the healthcare as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
I know that'd be quite entertaining seeing someone running at
the fence. Before they get over they get tasered.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Have you ever been tasered? Taylor?

Speaker 5 (01:55:32):
No, you have.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
It's not pleasing you don't get tasered twice?

Speaker 7 (01:55:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Right, Thank you very much for today, good discussion. Will
do it all again tomorrow.

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