Full Show Podcast: 17 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, are you great? New Zealand's Welcome to the Matt
and Tyler Afternoons podcast. Huge epic show today and look
if you make it to the very end, which I'm
sure you will. Yeah, the official list of the top
five best in New Zealand safety videos. I've ran and
rave about how much I hate them, but I only
hate the recent ones. I hate the Eighth Wonder of

(00:38):
the World one. It's cringe.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
You used to be positive now that I have greatest
in New Zealand safety videos of all time.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I love in New Zealand and I always fly in
New Zealand, but their safety videos are killing me at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
It was a great list, one of the best lists
I've ever seen. Next year, I could be so bold.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Got a bit emotional. At one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
We were talking about how do we get couples to
make more babies?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, yeah, and it got deep. It went deep. You
shared your personal current struggles in the hopes of having
a child, and that hit me in the heart and
we got some fantastic calls on that.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Beautiful story is there and the ACC chats and this
is the Accident Compensation Corporation.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, and I put a full throated hope that New
Zealand can become less risk adverse and put our safety
concerns behind us. And just because ACC's had a massive
blowout doesn't mean that people need to pack up and
go home and sit on the couch. I think that
people going out and doing risky things is important for

(01:40):
a country, especially with isolation and such being a real problem.
In community being such an important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You made a great case that we are we should
be risk takers in New Zealand, where innovators, you know why,
mentality get out there and do some stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, and that's that's why the ACC is a good thing.
They need to be you know, they need to be efficient,
and they need to not have not have blowouts, and
they need to look after their core principles what they
to do, which is patching people up when they break
their arm, when they fall off the trampoline. All right.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
The one thing that blew my mind actually was we
found out Mike Hoskin, he's fifty nine years old, never
once tapped into the ACC system. So he said, so
he said to the people of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
And then we found out that he's had one ninety
dollars acc payer or was that a plate accident? Was
it shoulder injury? So it's a great show. And as
I said before, well boy, what a great unofficial list
at the end of the show, well worth listening all
the way through together around those of the New Zealand safety.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
And don't fast forward because you're going to miss some
gold say you know, just just persevere because it's with
you will I'm telling.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Them all right then AKA, then all right, let's start
the Let's start the bloody show, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Then talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heathan Taylor
Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News Talk Zimby.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well good a, welcome into the show.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Matt and Tyler with you until four pm. Hope you're
doing well wherever you're listening in the country, Maddie.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Big birthday in your household yesterday, Yeah, outside of my
household as well. So my my son, my eldest son,
turned eighteen and took him to a bar, and he
went up to the bar and brought me a drink fantastic. Well,
to be fair, he forgot his money card and he
took my Makene out to the bar to buy a drink,
and he got a bit flustered and missed it all up.
That probably probably because I was taking pictures of them

(03:25):
when he did it, because it was a monumental moment moment.
He went up, ordered the drinks and then just went
and sat back down and and didn't pay. He got
very confused, and the drinks came over whatever, and he
ordered a very strange drunk. He ordered a hoggarden, you know,
a huge bucket of wheat beer. So so there was
a few teething problems there and then and then I

(03:45):
was a very proud moment for me until until my
younger son said, classic New Zealand parents, creating another generation
of alcoholics. Your youngest son. My cynical younger son came
in with that comment. He thought about it was like
my son's drinking, But no, it was. It was a beautiful,
beautiful evening. And the people at the bar did everything

(04:07):
they could embarrass my son by coming out and singing
to him and such. But yeah, but I'm very proud
of my oldest son he's a good boy. Yeah, he's
a big boy. And he got about a quarter of
his way through his beer.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
You know, did he like the wheat beer in the end?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
No he didn't. Okay, well he did not. All made
that mistake. I had two laggers in the time. He
had a very small amount of his wheat beer.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
That's great learn he will learn to the show today
after three o'clock in New Zealand versus Jet Star, so
a great story in the hero. Grant Bradley has written
the article and he's run the numbers in terms of
which is the most reliable. And I know what you're thinking.
You're thinking in New Zealand by a long shot. No,
it's actually a lot closer now than it used to be.
So when we think about Jetstar, I mean ten years ago,

(04:54):
you never you never flew Jet Star unless money was
an issue. Right, they're always dirt cheap. But you knew
if there was a good chance.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
If you had to be there on time you win.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
In New Zealand, yeah, you wouldn't risk it, and you
always go in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
I do.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's a patriotism thing for me. I support in New Zealand.
I feel comfortable on New Zealand and New Zealand. I've
got the points, I've got the Corey Lounge. It feels
like home. It feels like home. And as I say
to you, Tyler, when you're overseas and you've been overseas
for a long time and living in another country, when
you get on in the New Zealand flight and you
hear those accents, you feel like you feel like you're

(05:31):
already home before you even fly out a heathrow. You
are selling it to me.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Actually, that's the discussion after three o'clock, after two.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, acc has had our seven point two billion dollar blowout.
Costs a lot dealing with accents accidents, But do we
want to stop taking risks? Is it all about safety?
And are we moving too far towards safety? This is
a little wider Asuran and going back to my kids
as I often do. I was up a tree the

(05:58):
other day and I saw my son was down the bottom.
He was looking up and he was telling me off
to be careful. I'd climbed up with just a saw handsaw,
handsaw to cut some brunch off and he's like, oh here, well,
I don't think you should be up there. And I thought, boy,
oh boy, have we flipped over now where it's the
children are more risk averse than the adults. How times

(06:20):
have changed, because it certainly wasn't the case when I
was a kid.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You would have been sharing your old man on so
yeah the electric so can I.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'll be up with him. He'd be telling me to
get down. It would have been completely around the other way.
So it does a country need to take risks to
live on the edge of risks? If you're going to
be prosperous and forge a future, do you need to
be living a little bit in the risk zone just
to get things done?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's after two o'clock, But right now, let's have a
chat about fertility. So high housing costs and the expense
of bringing up children has been blamed for a collapse
and the number of babies born across Australia and this country,
as the fertility rate tumbled to it's the lowest level
since the early days of European settlements. So nationally there
were just under two hundred and ninety thousand births through

(07:08):
twin three and Ozzie, that's the fewest since two thousand
and six. It was a four point six percent drop
or almost fourteen thousand fewer births than the number of
births in twenty twenty two, so the full mint. The
nation's fertility rate fell to its lowest level on record
at just one point five And in New Zealand we are.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
One point five to six, so we're just a little
above them. You need two point one. You need to
keep the population going. Yeah, two point one obviously because
you've got to reproduce yourself and a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
That keeps a carbon neutral as well.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, in case of tragedies.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
But not only are total berths in the fertility rate
fall in the median age of parents continues to climb
to record level. So the oldest mother is in Australia
and it's some similar numbers here in New Zealand, but
it's in Canberra and Victoria thirty two years old, while
the medium age for fathers has climbed to thirty five years.
Australian National University demographer Liz Allen, she said, I quote,

(08:03):
we have young people who say they want to have
a child or a subsequent child, but the barriers, and
one of them insurmountable. She says, the rugg is being
pulled from beneath their futures, housing affordability, economic insecurity, gender inequality,
and climate boiling. That's a recipe for the most effective
contraceptive ever, she says.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it, Because our whole lives, we've
been saying there's going to be too many people on
the planet. Now they're predicting that the numbles will level out,
and we've got the reverse problem, which is population collapse.
And population collapse isn't a good thing. It's terribly not.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
An aging population is not a good thing.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Economic growth is dependent on population growth. Productivity is dependent
on young people coming through the system. Dependency ratios of
young to old become a problem. Economic pressure on a
diminished workforce. Oldly and infirmed won't be able to be
supported in the same way they are. Now you've got
the shocking statistics around the world. There was one that
came out the other day that Japan now sells more

(09:02):
adult diapers than child diapers. I can I believe that. So,
if we agree that population collapse is happening and that
it's a bad thing, should we be doing more to
help people have children, should be supporting people more in
that endeavor.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I firmly believe we should be. And I know that
some of those elements exist, as in working for family
in the Better Start program. But if we are serious
about this encouraging parents to have more children, then we
got it. We got to incentivize. That's what Japan has
started to do, and they've started to raise how much
they actually incentivize parents to have more babies because they

(09:38):
are in real strife. That's the Canary and the coal
mine over in Japan, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
And Putin is going hard on in Japan with huge
tax credits for people that have children one to three
four children. So should we be doing more in New Zealand,
I guess is the question?

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Also?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I want to talk about so, and this is what
I hear from a lot of friends in our group.
You know, they are parents to be, or they may
want to be parents at some stage. Some of them
may have already had one child. But some of these
concerns are genuine about how expensive it may be to
raise a child and bring a child into this world.
They think that they're not on a financial footing to

(10:15):
be able to have another child.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
And there's the.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Question of well, both of them have got to work
to be able to bring in enough money to support
bringing in another child.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
So how do you do that?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Because when the child comes comes along, yes you get
maternity leave, but then what happens after that? Then you've
got to think about the high cost of getting them
into childcare. You've got to think about all the things
that you need when they are a baby, if it's
your first child. I mean, they, to my friends are
genuine concerns. But you have some doubts about those concerns.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, I was actually surprised how cheap a baby was
when one came along. Didn't didn't cost much, didn't cost
it much at all. But I guess you've got to
think over the long term. But I would say it's
the if you do have the opportunity of a child,
and not everyone does, And I would say it's the
best money you'll ever ever spend. It's the best investment.
If you're going to spend money on anything, then it's

(11:04):
a child. And for me personally, when we had our
first definitely focused me on what was important and I
feel like it increased my earning potential because I was
very focused on my earning potential because I thought I've
got this being to look after, and that being is
my responsibility. So every decision I need to make needs

(11:25):
to be a sensible one for this little guy. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
If you're in this situation at the moment, if you're
a couple and you are thinking about having a child,
you actually have concerns about the expense side of things
that you may both still have to continue working jobs.
And perhaps if you've gone through that process and realized, hey,
it wasn't like MATSI quite as expensive or scary as
it's been made out to be. In twenty twenty four,

(11:51):
love to hear from you as well. I eighte hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Let's quarter
past one.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heathen Tyler Adams, Afternoons you for
twenty twenty four US Talk.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
News Talks theb We're talking about the drop in fertility
and birth rates in Australia and New Zealand in particular.
Do we care about that? I think we should care
about that. An aging population I think is bad for
society on a whole. We have less people working and
bringing in the text. We have higher health costs. At
the other side of the scape.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
We have less new ideas coming through, less people look
after the old people that we don't have new ideas
coming through. We just don't have a level of energy
going into society.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Now, Greg, what's your take on it?

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Oh, you've got one of my favorite subjects actually demographics. Yes,
there is a really good book bread called Empty Planet,
written by John Ibertson and Daryl Bricker from Canada, and
they talk about the population of the world going to
about nine billion by twenty fifty and then collecting to

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seven billion by twenty one hundred. And they've studied economies
all over the world, and one in particular there was Kenya,
where the birth rate dropped from nine to two in
a generation and it all came down to the education
of women. As women become more educated, they realize that
I don't have to have children. So I think you're right.

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It's going to be a really big problem for governments
if that actually happens, because our entire economies are predicated
on GDP growth, which is predicated on population growth, and
if we keep trying to fight this population decline by
implementing policies that promote GDP growth. Then we're just going

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to be running around in circles and we're going to
end up in a real mess. I even emailed the
authors of the book and asked them about that, and
they said, oh, that it's too hard, we don't know
how to deal with it. So that's how big the
problem really really is. So yeah, I think if we
look out twenty thirty forty years, there's not going to
be a way to fix this problem. We're going to

(14:07):
have to adjust the way we deal with our economies
and set our our economic policies.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well, it's a real rural urban thing as well. When
you're living rurally, it's very handy to have nine children
to work on the farm and help you, help you
produce your crops. Not so easy to run nine kids
in Central Auckland. Very true.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
And the numbers, the numbers back up on that just quickly.
Greg So out of the study in Australia. So the
only areas with fertility rates above that two point one,
which is needed to increase population is in rural and
regional country areas.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Yeah, but I think the kids are getting smart now
and they demand being paid a bit more than what
the parents would like to pay them on the farm.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, very true. Good Greg, do you have children? If
it's if you don't mind me.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
Asking me, Yeah, I've got a boy and a girl
twenty eight and twenty six, and my rule was just
replace ourselves. That's all we need. And to hell, I
could not afford to run more than too well.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
To replace yourself. The Greg, you need two point one,
which is hard to pull off. Actually, the point I've
done it. It's a rental.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, I can't do the point one. Yeah, I'll leave
that up to come one else.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
But but for you, Greg, what is a solution here?
I mean, do we further incentivize couples to have more children?
What's the bottom line here?

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah? But where does that money come from?

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah? Well exactly do you borrow it to do it?

Speaker 7 (15:34):
That's what Japan's doing in Japan's get to GDP rat
shows something like three.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, but what about this, Greg? I would say children
is the best money in my opinion, having had children,
if I was going to spend money on anything my children,
that would be the best money I could ever spend
in my life, would be on on on my children.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Oh hundred percent. I've got you know, one of my
children is he's actually a New Zealand rower. One growing
is not a chips.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, my son's. My son's a rower as well.
It's it's not cheap and it's punishing, punishing, punishing pricks.
You know, practice regime, Well.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
It's the rough practice regime. It's the cost of the
regattas at school. But it paid off. He's got an
Olympic gold medals.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Who's your son?

Speaker 7 (16:20):
He was in the men's eight.

Speaker 8 (16:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'll tell you what you must be the proud I
can't can only imagine how proud you must be of
your son. Congratulations.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
It's a real buzz and pretty and you.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Can take you can take. You can take some of that, Greg,
you can take some of that. Yeare glory.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Some of it's yours, buddy. You put a lot of
work in there if you've got a run good blood
line there. Yeah, Greg, thank you very much. O. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do we need to incentivize
couples to have more babies? We do have a declining
fertility rate, We've had it for some time.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
What do we do? It is twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Putting the tough questions to the news speakers, the Mike
asking breakfast.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Acc and they got themselves a seven billion dollar whole.
A SEC's chief executive is Megan Maine.

Speaker 10 (17:03):
There's the money we spend during the year, which is
what we budget it. But the bigger factor is the
calcul of the lifetime cost of the injuries that have
already occurred, and that was the big driver of that deficit.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
I'm fifty nine years old, Megan. I've never claimed ACC
in my life. Am I some sort of freak?

Speaker 11 (17:19):
Mike, you're certainly not a freak.

Speaker 10 (17:21):
Interestingly, though, you talk about people falling over.

Speaker 12 (17:23):
Falls are the most.

Speaker 13 (17:24):
Common cause of injuries.

Speaker 10 (17:26):
So if we could all stop falling over that's good.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
If we've learned nothing else out of the interview today, Megan,
stop falling over. Back tomorrow at six am the Mike
Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZBT.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Twenty five past one. Again, we're talking about our population
collapse and the low birth rate in New Zealand, whether
we need to do something about it. And I guess
there's something you have to say in this situation is
that it falls heavily on the adult females because the
difference between producing children for men and women is so

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vastly different in nine months as opposed to however much
you put into it. And obviously, when we had our
first cat was handed to me, I was just an
awe that this miracle could happen. But the mother and
my children obviously had to go through a lot more
and sacrifice a lot more. And that's just the way

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it is, and that has to be in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
And it's a nerve wracking time for women. I just
say this with my partner, Mave and she doesn't mind
me talking about this, but we have been trying for
some time and it hasn't gone how we thought it
was going to go. Yeah, so we went to go
do all the tests and she actually had the surgery
and it was found out that she has stage two ENDO,
which is making it particularly difficult. So now we're looking

(18:44):
at the well starting the journey of IVF, which is
a hell of a big thing.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
When we started this and thought, yep, I'm ready to
have a child, man, I was stoked that we were
going to start this journey. And when things don't go
to plan incredibly hard, incredibly hard. But for Mave it's
even harder because she knows that clock is ticking a
lot faster than mind.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah. Oh well, I'm be so luck with that, buddy.
I feel for you.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty. If you've just
about to start the IVF journey or you've been through it,
love to hear from you as well. Jason, how are you?

Speaker 14 (19:17):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (19:18):
Yeah, good god? They Yeah, I'm sorry to top your
bubble boys, but it's got nothing to do with girls.
It's got something to do with society. So if you
want to have more children, then you have to roll
society back closer to a time where people were having
more children. Right. So the first thing you've got to

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do is you've got to stop everyone gambling, everyone from
all over the world gambling and the property market and
make houses to liver and not going to make money
from and then people will buy them, and then they'll
have a house.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I have Yeah, but.

Speaker 12 (19:53):
Bad about that. When people live in an apartment, they're
not going to have to watch a kid, right, So
there's not even an argument. When people live in a
proper house, they can afford to have a bit of
money left at the end of the week, they'll have kids.
If they can't, they won't.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's what the study is saying. Ostamographers, I would pushed back.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I'd push back on that a little bit, and I
would say, you do not have to own your house
to have children, and if having children is really really important,
and look, I've seen some of the houses in Hong
Kong's hat a very low birth rate. But I've seen
pictures of families growing up in very very small houses,
people living in the same rooms, and that has its
that's terrible problems as well health healthwise. But if if

(20:35):
you you don't have to own a house to have kids,
that the idea that you have to work and work
and work until your own house. We didn't own a
house when we had our kids. We had we had
two kids before we owned a house.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
But it is part of the equation, though, isn't it.
And I know one personal situation. It is part of
May's family and they had bought an apartment in Melbourne
and that was perfect for them when it was just
then those two and a dog. Then child one came along,
still okay, then they wanted to have another child and
they quickly realized that this is not a good environment

(21:08):
to raise two children in too small and they needed
something else they couldn't afford to buy. But now they
are in a bigger property with a backyard and all
those things that we kind of want when you're thinking
about raising a child.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
But I suppose, to Jason's.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Point, it is part of the equation why young professionals
primarily are not having babies.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, but when I was a kid, I shared a
bedroom with two other siblings for a while. We had
three in a row. It was a good time. Yeah,
jumping up on the beds. I loved it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I had one hundred and eighty ten and eighty love
to hear from you on this one.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
It is twenty nine bas one, jus talk said.

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The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with
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Speaker 3 (23:01):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to two.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
We're talking about low birth rates in New Zealand and
how that could lead to population collapse, which we I
think all of agree would be a bad idea. I mean,
we have kind of been told some people see humans
as a cancer on the planet and that will be
better without us, and so the animals can walk around
and not appreciate sunsets and stuff. But I think more
humans are better because I like hanging out with humans. Yeah,

(23:25):
humans are pretty much favorite. All my favorite people are humans,
except for my dog Colin. But I want to push
back that you need a lot of money and a
house to have kids, because we didn't have a lot
of money, and my parents didn't have a lot of
money when they had kids and they found a way through.
I know it's very, very, very hard. So if you've
had young kids been through the struggle, how did you
do it? Are you pleased you did? Was the loss

(23:48):
of material wealth worth it? Yeah, it's an interesting point.
We'll get back to the calls shortly.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
But the anxiety that primarily professional couples, not just professional couples,
but it is it's a real thing in my circle
of friends that there is anxiety. Might overplay it a
little bit, be a little bit dramatic, but there's certainly
hesitation to have more children because they think it is
going to be too expensive or they're not on financial

(24:15):
footing to do it properly, because they want to know
once that baby comes into this world, they will have
all the resources they need to be good parents. You
think that maybe that anxiety is a bit too much,
that it's not quite to that level. Once that baby
comes into the world, you will figure it out, no
matter what stage at life you're in.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, I mean things get your priorities change massively. And look,
if you can you can feed them, and you can
you can house them, even if it's in a rental house.
Then love goes a long way to making sure that
you bring up a good child. That's probably a more
important factor than anything. Yeah, he really can.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
You get the female perspective on this as well, if
you've recently had a child or looking to have a child,
but you are feeling a bit apprehensive because of where
things are at in the world at the moment. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This text from Casey is, Hello, guys,
I know a number of women who would love to
have a child, children but can't find a partner to
do so.

Speaker 13 (25:10):
So.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Lank of available men is also a problem. There are
many reasons for lack of available men are just one
side of the equation.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, and social isolation is becoming a big thing. A
lot of people a lot of young people are growing up.
They're there, they're online, they're socializing with social media instead
of meeting each other. They're becoming isolated. And you know,
it's just it's quite a lot to meet someone, to
put yourself out there and go up and say he
loo to someone and meet them. Yeah, that's a lot

(25:39):
for people that have spend a lot of time online.
And when back in the day you just had to
I mean generally speaking, he had about six beers before
you went up and said a lower at the club.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
But I'm glad I didn't have to play the Tinder game.
That seems pretty tough. Yeah, the old modern dating amy.
How are you this afternoon, I'm good.

Speaker 14 (25:57):
I'm good.

Speaker 16 (25:58):
So I am, I guess a professor, working professional couple.
We had We have two children, a four year old
and a three year old. Both of our children were lockdown,
so we had our children during twenty twenty lockdown and
the twenty twenty one lockdown. Well, but I mean, I
do agree, it's not so much a money thing. I mean,

(26:18):
we decided to with enough for us. Unfortunately, I get
very sick when I am impregnant. But it's not just
the financial it's the emotional need that our children have,
and that as adults we want to commit to giving
our kids not just material things, but to their emotional

(26:39):
well being. And it requires a lot of energy. So
how can we do that if we don't have the energy,
if we don't have the time. Our lives are really
busy now.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah they are, and we kind of put a lot
on parents. Now parents are way more involved in their kids' life.
I think I was brought up reasonably free range, but
my parents love me, and I love my parents, and
I never felt like I wasn't love. But now there's
a lot of pressure to be the greatest parent in
the world and be across absolutely everything with your kids.

Speaker 16 (27:11):
There's a lot of social pressure. I mean, we we
noticed that we get looked at, particularly older generation, and
my sister in law will say the same thing when
our kids are like acting up and public, and that's
what kids do, and we get people staring at us
instead of offering help support. When we traveled over to Samoa,

(27:31):
we were shocked at how little people cared that we
had kids that were really you know, we were in
line waiting at customs and weren't just stared at us like, well,
we can't do anything. Our kid's been waiting just as
long as you. You are adults, you're tired. So like,
it just doesn't feel like society is accommodating for you, know,
you and your kids and your family. They want you

(27:51):
to have more kids, have more kids, but you deal
with it. It's your problem.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, I was. I was wanting to get on a
plane the other day and there was these three this
this family, and they had three little kids running around,
and they were just apologizing and apologizing for what their
kids were up to, writing on suitcases and and it
was bringing me so much joy because I love kids. Yeah,
I think they're funny, and I was no need to apologize.

(28:16):
You know, kids. I believe children are futuristic. Well yeah,
we need the running around, the little humans. We were
all little humans once.

Speaker 16 (28:25):
Yeah, and just as the female. I mean, it's exhausting
a lot you've not got You've got to work. So
I work full time, yeah, well part time. I work
part time. I look after my kids. I manage our household.
And it's not just about the kids going to daycare.
You constantly feel like, oh, I should be the one
raising my kids. But I can't because I have to

(28:45):
work to you know, pay my mortgage or pay my bills.
We did one income, so when my kids were born,
I was a stay at home parents for the first
three years of my son and then the first two
years of my daughter, and we lived off one income.
And it was hard. And it's not just about the
material things like the financial stress. And obviously this was

(29:05):
in COVID times as well, but for my husband to
me be thinking what if I lose my job?

Speaker 13 (29:10):
What if I lose my job?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Was that a big decision for the second child or
was it a big decision for both of your children?

Speaker 16 (29:18):
For our For our first child, we were financially ready,
this is what we wanted. It took us a little
bit longer to get our first child than we had sought.
Similar to you, we went through fertility associates and they
were amazing. And then when our second one was a surprise,
we were going to wait another year because I wanted
to go back to work so that I could then
get the paid maternity leave. So I had one year

(29:42):
off and I got six months paid maternity and then
six months nothing, and then I wanted to go back
to work for another six months and then so I
could get the paid maternity again. But our daughter had
other plans and she came foner than we thought. So
I did three years, where only six months of that
was paid maternity. The rest of that was just my

(30:03):
husband's job.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
What a beautiful surprise though, Amy.

Speaker 16 (30:06):
Oh, it was a great surprise, so our pride and joy.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
But you know, this may say and glib coming from
me as a male who didn't have to go through
a lot of that stuff, But I feel like the
struggle was so worth it. Do you do feel that,
even though there's the huge struggle that it is, that
it is worth it.

Speaker 16 (30:26):
I definitely feel it's worth it. And you know, I
think as circumstances were different, we would have more kids.
When my husband and I first got together, we wanted
four kids, we wanted the big family. But I just
the reality of it is so different. You don't have
that village life.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (30:41):
I mean, we are fortunate that my in laws are
around and they very active, but it's not the same
as when I was growing up or my husband was
growing up, where you could just pop over to your neighbors.
How there's no sense of community. You live these isolated lies.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, it's a great point.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean that is it's become real for us now
that we've made the move from christ Choose to Auckland,
which we love. But when we're looking at this IVF
journey that we've got in front of us, Mave's pairs
it's down in christ Church Minor and Nelson, but they
go to christ Church quite a bit. So we've lost
that grandparents support element.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Which is huge.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
I see all her sisters, well one sister actually that's
have two children. The grandparents supporters critical.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's huge. Hey. So I've got a bit of a
question for you, Tyler. Yeah, and a question that people
can see if they can answer a nine to two
ninety two. Which country do you think has the lowest
birth rate in the world in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Oh good teas, all right, I'll give you my answer
very shortly. And if you think you know nine two
niney two is the text number, it's eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Ethan Tayler Adams afternoons you for
twenty twenty four, you talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's quarter to two. We're talking about low birth rates.
The New Zealand birth rate is currently sitting at one
point five six, Australias one point five. Before the break,
I asked the question, what is the lowest birth rate
in the world. A bunch of people of texted through
Vatican City. I haven't considered that one, but you would
hope they've got a very low birth rate in Vatican City.
Now that isn't my They aren't in my numbers, but

(32:17):
here they are. Here's the top five.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I do you want to have a guess, Well, there's
a lot coming through in Japan and I would have
seen Japan.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yep, you would have seen Japan. Well you would have
been wrong, right, So here are the the lowest five
Hong Kong and one point twenty four, Ukraine understandably on
one point two to two, Singapore one point one seven,
who South Korea one point one two and Taiwan as
the the I guess unhappy distinction of being the lowest

(32:46):
birth rate in the world one point one one. That
is low. That's a problem, Peter, How are you very good?

Speaker 12 (32:52):
Or apparently the in Brisbane the average vacancy rates point
one percent and if people are renting, are they having
bidding wars to try and get a place, and real
estate agents are striving to sell places because people don't
want to sell then as they can buy another one.
If you have children, you remember the good times. If

(33:13):
you've never had children, remember you've never had any bad
times with children, that's where you were owned. So I
heard that from tidback Radio. I thought that was quite good.
And the other thing is GDP, Well, it's look at
the New Zealand economy. It's really been based on property

(33:34):
growth and bringing in immigration to cause property prices to
go up. When you increase the population, which increases the traffic,
which increases the cost of living, and it puts more
strains on resources. And if you look at GDP compared
what it was years ago when people only worked five

(33:55):
days a week and had the weekend off. You had
companies like you know for Motor Company, and that's not
quite the same as owning shares and Facebook for what
difference they make to the com So people think we've
got roughly seven percent and plation rate. And if you
look at GDPR, economies are generally going backwards right because

(34:20):
there's more stuff going on, but people's personal wealth and
expenses are going up, and their course is going up,
and what they can buy is going down. So, as
you mentioned earlier, the more educated people are, the less
like we are have lots of children. So the measurements
really if you're living, you know, with kids, and the

(34:43):
amount of money they need, you know, to be able
to buy a house and all that. That's before you
even look at climate change. And if you believe some
of the experts believes that we're sort of run away
and have no future that who knows when.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So what's the solution, Peter? Are you in favor of
more financial.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Incentives for parents to be sorry?

Speaker 17 (35:04):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
More financial incentives for those who want more children or
a child?

Speaker 12 (35:11):
Well, I think the thing is with children is that
you know, years ago people used to speak to their neighbors.
Now have got big fences. So I think the financial
incentives it does cost a lot, because you're paying fifteen
percent years ten everything your child needs compared to a

(35:34):
single person. But do we really need lots of population
when we already have people starving in the world.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, but I mean I guess the population collapse doesn't
help with the people starving. It only increases the chances
of elderly people starving and record migration. It's slowed but
not stopped the aging process because that population is structurally aging,
so migration it only slows, it doesn't stop it. To
reverse the aging process we need to have. We'd have

(36:03):
to have incredibly high migration or a dramatic increase and
fertility fertility rates. Mckier he sticks through on nine two
ninety two, Show me the ladies and I'll make the babies.
And I mean when you look at Japan, the people
are just giving up on even trying to meet members
of the opposite sex.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So we don't want to be in that situation. Scott's
how are.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
You hllo there?

Speaker 18 (36:28):
Yeah, we had our first child through IVF. My wife
had a severe case of endometriosis. This has gone back
to nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine. We went through fertility
and associates. We were on a waiting list. We were

(36:48):
told it was going to be three years, and then
the figures got jumbled up where North South took over
the contract and we got elevated to about six months.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Wow.

Speaker 18 (37:01):
My wife had to do those you know, as you
would know, those stomach injections, yes, futility and we had
to take the sperm to the clinic and there were
eleven embryos that they were able to make fertilized, and
then my wife was in you know, in the normal process.

(37:23):
We ended up with the first six of those they failed,
and then we had to wait three more months where
the last five were put in there and we ended
up having a success. And we were told at the
time on the first scan that there were twins, and
that freaked up quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
You're making me tear.

Speaker 18 (37:45):
Up here, mate, And then a few weeks later the
next scan, one of them had disappeared, and we ended
up with our new son, who was born in two
thousand and he's twenty four now and one full young Chap.
And then the next child, our daughter. We had through

(38:06):
the normal way. We were told at the time that
getting pregnant would make that endometriosis kind of disappear, and
it did. But at that time, in the late nineties,
I had to witness my wife an excruciating pain, pouring

(38:28):
a hot bath, lying in there as hot as the
water could handle, and I couldn't do anything. There was
nothing I could do.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's a cruel thing. In Demetrios was to be.

Speaker 18 (38:40):
Honest, it was just absolute shait and it was horrible.
My wife wouldn't go to the supermarket because she would
see pregnant women. She thought she was letting me down
because she couldn't produce a child with me. It was
a horrible, horrible emotional time. And at the same time
there were a few friends well I thought they were saying, well,

(39:01):
you know, just give it up. If you can't have kids,
you can't have kids. You know, you could adopt, and
yes we would, but we wanted to our own biological
child and we did that and it was a very,
very tough time. And at for Teleophon Associates there was
a group of us about nine couples, and when we

(39:22):
actually finally went through the process in the end, six
of those couples had broken up.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Scott, thank you very much for sharing. And then, as
I mentioned before, we're starting our IVF journey. We're in
the early stages and I'm prepping for it to be
hard and to not go to quite the plan. But
you just got to hold on to as Scott did,
hold on to the hope that we can have our
own child. But if we don't, we will figure it out.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I feel for both of you, both of you guys.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
But oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, we've got
to take a break. We'll be back very shortly. Here
on news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Mattiath Tyler Adams staking your calls on eight and Tyler
Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
News Talks, News Talk, ZEDB. You're listening to Matt and
Tyler quick takes here from Jill.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Tyler.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Don't give up all the very best with IVF. It's
tough on the woman, but you seem like you have
an awesome supporting partner.

Speaker 12 (40:20):
That I do.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Our daughter and husband had many failed IVF attempts, but finally,
finally success. They had a daughter, the mum aged thirty seven,
then twin girls when the mum was forty one. I
see it as a miracle and adore those girls now
all teenagers, all the very best.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I think so much for your text, Jill, And yeah,
I'm hearing you talk and hearing Scott talk, and about
the struggles that people, you know, we talk about. We
need New Zealand needs to get its birth rates up
to stop population collapse. But there are people trying and
you forget about that, and it just makes me feel
so lucky that our children will be ridiculous to say

(40:55):
to the mother that they came easily because she went
through a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
She had to do the work there. Well, you did
some work, but.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I mean, you know, when I was first handed, as
I said before my youngest son, I mean, I can
believe that what she had gone through and watch you'd created, Yeah,
it was incredible and I'm so be grateful forever. To
say it was easy for us, that would be ridiculous,
but compared to it to obviously what you're going through
and Scott when his wife went through.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, And I will say I'm internally grateful of the
system that we have here in New Zealand around IVF
so far. I mean, the supporter has been there, the
information in terms of the subsidies. Incredibly lucky to have
that system here in New Zealand. Thank you very much.
That was an emotional chat, but a good chat. We've
got something else coming up very shortly.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Zebby.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Welcome back into the show.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yes, Matton Tyler with you until four pm right. So
over the next hour or so, we want to talk
about the acc This is, of course, the Accident Compensation Corporation.
You would have seen the big news that it is
now a seven point two billion dollars in deficit in
the year to June. That compares to the previous year

(42:14):
where it had a nine hundred and eleven million dollar surplus.
So they say, there's a few things that have caused
that deficit. We are getting injured a lot more. It
is costing a lot more to rehabilitate people and to
get them back into work and off their books. But
we want to take a slightly different spin on this story.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah. So I was up a tree with a saw
the other day and I just shimmied up myself. Was
this a perhodakawa? This was not a bodacut? Okay? Right?

Speaker 14 (42:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
And I was chopping branches off as you do, and
they were falling on the ground and my son was
down the bottom yelling at up at me, Dad, get down.
He was really worried. It's not safe, Dad, What are
you doing. I don't think you should be up there, Dad.
And he was running the safety line on me, and
I was thinking, what's going on here, because it was
definitely not that way with my son, my father and me.

(43:05):
I was the reckless one. I would just be off
doing whatever, and he'd be be careful on this, be
careful on that. You know, put your headphones on when
your mowing, you know, put the ear mups on when
you're mowing the lawn. He was very safety conscious. So
I say, we have we gone so far in safety
that we're creating children that are risk averse. I mean
another example with that particular son, we were out. My

(43:26):
other son that he was eighteen yesterday, went out for
his first beer. He bought the beer, he brought it
back to the table and my other son said to
me great, And he said great. A classic New Zealand
preparent perpetuating alcoholism. Break the cycle. Yet Barry's a smart
kid man. So I would say, you know, for the ACC,

(43:49):
work on your efficiencies, concentrate on your basics. But let's
not be a safe society. And this is what ACC
should be. It should be. It should be the thing
that patches you up. Let's be a bold one. I
want people out there doing risky staff, playing sport, jumping
on trampolines, getting things done. You don't want to be
a scared nation. Productivity comes with risks. Great things come

(44:10):
with risks, and nothing great comes from sitting around on
the couch doom scrolling social media, which is very safe
physically but terribly mentally.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So you don't mind that we or the AEC is
now seven point two billion dollars in deficit. That's just
the price we pay for having much love it.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I don't love it, and I'm sure they could do
things better, but I think it's great to have that stop.
And you see constant ads, you know, you know a
lot of ads out there about safety and have heard
get that. But I just think, climb up a tree
and cut the branches off.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
And have your fifteen year old kid yell at yeah
that dad, you're being unsafe.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Come down. What would acc think? Well, people would say
that playing rugby is dangerous, right, I mean it is, yeah,
and sport is dangerous. But do we want a society
where people go out and do those kind of things
or do we want a society where people stay at home?
I would say the risks of having a society that
isn't out and about in nature, doing things, getting things done,
and taking risks generally across their life. Is a far

(45:11):
worse society than any of the risks that you can
put out there.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Because you can't be a complete idiot when you do
some of these let's say, diy, yes you can they
around the house. But a smaller example was when I
was getting the house ready to rent out down in
christ Church and I had to clear the guttering as
part of getting that up to scratch. I could have
paid a guy probably one hundred and fifty bucks to
go and do that for me. He would have done
it safe and done it properly, paying a guy. Yeah,

(45:37):
but I had quite an average letter that we'd had
there that i'd never really used before. Mave was away,
and I made sure she was out because she would
have told me you can't do that. We're going to
pay a guy to come in, but.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That she'll be right attitude that no, I can do this.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I mean, I want to save one hundred and fifty
bucks here and just clean those gutters myself. When when
I was on top of that letter, thinking cheap as
if these legs go out, I'm going to be in
a world of trouble here.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Oh yeah, well, I mean you've got to be sensible
to a certain extent, obviously, but you shouldn't be the
person that doesn't do your gutters because you're too scared
of injuring yourself. You should go okay's let's have a
risk management program here. Let's make sure that the ladder
is chopped at the bottom before I go up. But
I'm going to get it done. And then that's the
great thing about ACC, because if you are anything, any

(46:22):
activity outside any productive activity or inside I mean, comes
with a certain amount of risk, and that's the great
thing about ACC. So I'd say, let's celebrate ACC, but
let's work out its efficiencies and make sure that it
is concentrating on its core business of patching people up
when they injure themselves. Well.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Text here from Mike says gooday, guys, I don't think
that high risk activity should be covered under ACC aka skiing, snowboarding,
mountain biking. If you want to undertake an activity like that,
that's on you, not on the tech bike.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I would disagree wholeheartedly. We want the young people and
our country out doing things like that as opposed to
the huge risks of not doing anything like just playing
video games, staying in your own social media, not meeting anything,
social isolation, those are those are huge risks. So maybe
there's a bit of a risk on mountain biking. You're
out and about doing it, but you're there's community in it.

(47:15):
There's there's clubs, there's people getting together, there's people. The
mental health benefits are phenomenal for that kind of thing.
So I'd say as a nation, people getting out and
doing high risk things is much better for us than them, not.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties. The she'll be
a right attitude of New Zealand just part and parcel
of having a deficit with our accidents Compensation corporation scheme.
It is and it has been tilted as a world
leading scheme in terms of looking after people when they
have an accident and get injured. It is often tilted
internationally is one of the best.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's a great failing as a
parent of mind that neither of my kids have broken
their arms as they've been growing up.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
How many times have you tapped into the acc system.
And I'm not saying this with any judgment because I've
had a few. Yeah, And I heard Mike, any cities
never had.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, well, note because I've got health insurance, so I
haven't tapped in as much as I could have on
some occasions. But I've definitely broken arms and broken legs
and as I've broken my back as well, so I've
done a few things.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah's broken a lot, right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Love to hear from you on this one.
It is thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Wow, you're new home of Afternoon Talk, Taylor Adams Afternoon Call. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
The sixteen past two Brendan, welcome to the show. Your
thoughts on a risk averse society and acc in general, gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, thank you for having me on. Look, a couple
of points on this. So first up, we're talking about
a nine billion dollar turnaround in twelve months. Am I right?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Pretty close to it?

Speaker 13 (48:56):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, There's there's some complicated factors and things that have
been lumped on them that weren't on them before.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, and this and some of this was a forecast
as well, so they're looking ahead to how much it's
going to cost.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
I mean, there's complicating factors and every type of business, right,
and so I don't necessarily buy into that so much
they need to have provision in place to manage against that.
If I ran my business like that, I would be
out of work, and so would everybody that worked for me.
So I'm number one as a person who pays thousands
of dollars a year as an individual and as an
employer in ACC levies. I'm disappointed.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, I mean, but to be fair on the ACC
on this one, and it's not really exactly what I
want to be talking about. But happy to talk about
anything you want to bring it. But there's certain things
in victims of child abuse and that coming on the
a SEC that they have to look forward for paying
for looking after victims going forward.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
That that's been included and after some courts.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
That's been put on top of them. So that was
something that they couldn't necessarily have predicted. But I get
your point. But I guess what I really want to
say is that in society, you want people out there
taking risks, because the risks of people not doing things
that may cost us in terms of acc is far worse.

(50:14):
I mean, obesity is a terrible thing. So you might
look at mountain biking, for example, and go, well, that's
a high risk activity, but as it as high risk
as having just people sitting around doing nothing slamming chips.

Speaker 19 (50:26):
No it's not.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
But you know, I would also say to you the
potentially drinking can.

Speaker 20 (50:30):
Be a high risk activity.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
So one of my points here is that if I'm
out on the booze on a Saturday night and I
knock all my teeth out because I'm acting, the full
ACC is going to put a nice set of teeth back.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
In my mouth.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
I know that for a fact that they do that. Now,
what I might propose is that we have an additional
excess that's loaded onto people when they actually present for
treatment like that, that we actually say, you know what,
you're not fully funded for this because of what you
did to get yourself here. Maybe they need to make
you a little financial contribution towards that type of service.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
It's not a filly idea, because that's kind of what
we do with with vehicles, right I believe I mean
correctly from wrong Brendan or Matt that we pay our
ACC levy.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Some of that comes through our car registrations.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
But also motorbike riders, for example, they pay higher levies
because it's a more dangerous activity.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
You want to warrant and regio before you go out
drinking a personal warrant REGI on you.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, you know, not necessarily in advance, but you know
at the time that you present for that particular service.
You know, as a person who's you know, we carry
something cross health insurance for our family are five. We
pay two hundred and fifty eight dollars and sixty five
cents every fortnight for that privilege. And we're lucky that
we can do that. But I don't expect anything from ACC.
We manage that ourselves. I think the people that are

(51:47):
fully reliant on ACC put themselves in a situation they
knock their teeth out because they're out on the booze.
You know, I don't think the taxpayer should be funding
some white pearly teeth in your mouth.

Speaker 9 (51:57):
I think it'd be making.

Speaker 8 (51:58):
That contraction for that.

Speaker 21 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, but what would that would you go as
far as to include that in playing rugby, which I
think people playing sport is a great benefit to the
country and a great benefit to young people in particular
all people actually, but comes with some risks.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Yeah, it does come with risk, And you know, I'm
a guy that has had my teeth knocked out playing
rugby and I was doing everything right, and it's you know,
and it's not great because it's a lifetime of issues
that come from having your teeth to be fixed like that.
And very grateful for that service that I got. But
but you know, should my parents have paid a contribution
towards that at the time that it happened. Maybe maybe

(52:39):
they should have. Maybe we need to be looking at that,
you know, for particular high risk activities, or you know,
if you're playing stupid games and you win stuper prizes,
maybe you get to pay a portion of that bill
when you walk out of the hospital.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Can I just on there, Brandon.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I had a friend who was in the United States
and he was there when he would have been about
twenty two to twenty three, saw a fight kickoff and
he tried to stop the fight, ended up getting smacked
in the face and he lost a lot of his teeth.
Ended up costing him forty thousand dollars. So when you
look at the situation America has in the situation we have,

(53:12):
because that wasn't his fault, He wasn't on the booze.
He tried to do the right thing ended up losing.
He gave a lot of teeth because he you know,
got swung at. That seems unfair in that situation.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, it does. You know, I lived in the US
as a young guy for fourteen years, and you know
the number one cause of personal bankruptcies in the US
is medical expenses. And we do not want to hit
ourselves in a situation like that.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Well, how about this one, Brendan. I was in the
UK and I got mugged and I got all my
teeth knocked out. Yeah, woke up and conscious, bleeding on
the ground and the NATUS fixed me up and sent
me home. So those injuries were on the UK text taxpayer,
So you know, good on them. Yeah, yeah, you save
money there. Mugged in the UK served us a lot

(53:57):
of money compared to if i'd been made pre Yeah,
thank you, good on me.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
It is twenty one parts to hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Good afternoon. We are talking about acc the Accident Compensation Corporation.
It is fairly significantly and a deficit seven point two
billion dollars is the model broken. But we'll also been
talking about being a risk adverse society or the She'll
be right attitude, And you think that we need to
be able to take some risks in life, certainly around sport.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
That is a healthy thing for so so I think
the ACC should be efficient, but I think it's a
fantastic thing. And I think people should go out there
and mountain bark and play rugby and get out and
about and climb trees and have a bit of a
backstop for that, because the reverse is obesity and social
isolation and risk averse society and on. And we want

(54:59):
a bold nation and we want to be bold across
the board, and we want to be bold in business
and all our all our endeavors. And I think that
starts with getting out in the and being bold from
a young age. Logical dear is how are you?

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Yeah? I'm not too bad? Thank you. Listen. My name
is Desmond and I'm eighty three years of age and
I still do a five hour days work for five
days a week.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You're a backbone in New Zealand is sorry?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, the backbone in New Zealand got on you eighty
three and still working five hours a day good man.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Yes, and I can't understand how we're seven billion dollars
in debt when we've got one hundred and eleven billion
dollars overseas from the ACC.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, with that seven point two billion dollars is a
forecast additional blowout over time, and there's some extra stuff
that has come on board. So I guess you'd say
it is seven point two billion dollars more than expected. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
So then, but when I was just reverse back to it,
when I was a teenage young gos who are going
to school, I used to play rugby a lot. But
when we've played a game of rugby, we had to
put one shilling in for insureurance to cover ourselves.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Really in New Zealand, yes, well.

Speaker 8 (56:12):
In New Zealand, I used to play up here in
HEKERANGI a long array area and we used to have
to put one shilling in to cover ourselves for insurance.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Who would you give the one shilling to?

Speaker 8 (56:23):
I don't know. It was as far as I can remember,
it was a coach.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I hope it was going to insurance.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
They just went to the coach to get some beers
we're honest.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
Yeah, and those DASE people were honest, and as far
as I can remember, it would have gone to the coach.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
So, so the coach was before we So was that
was the coach taking out an insurance policy on the
team or was the coach just going, I need this
money because if someone gets a broken arm, I'm going
to have to take them to the hospital and deal
with that situation. Was it a Was it a sort
of a casual insurance operation? Was it? Was it a
Was it an insurance company involved?

Speaker 22 (56:57):
It was?

Speaker 8 (56:57):
I'm pretty sure there was an insurance company involved in
it and covered us for any accident we had. And
so I agree with what you're actually saying taking these
risks one hundred percent. But by the same that Jacobs said,
when you're out doing these riding bikes on rocks and
this sort of thing, then you should pay a certain amount,
say a dollar, if you want to go out and

(57:19):
do it, just to cover yourself.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, But for a society going forward, as I guess
I keep repeating myself, but there's a huge price to
pay for having young people sitting at home eating chips
and becoming socially isolated as opposed to going out and
breathing fresh air and getting involved in a physical activity.

Speaker 8 (57:39):
Yeah, but what makes them stay at home and eat
chips and what play on their computers and all this,
or what makes them do that? Has society done this
to them? Oh?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, I think absolutely it has. And I guess that's
what I'm trying to say that I would like a
society where we celebrate people getting out and doing things
and taking reasonable risks and being bold. And I think
if you have children, especially as they're growing up, taking
these risks, that makes them a person that's less fearful,

(58:08):
less scared and across everything they do. And I think
we need to be a bold nation.

Speaker 8 (58:14):
Dees, Yeah, I agree if you pay, but we're talking
about paying as when you do these risky things and
you pay it and you're not hurt yourself, get your
money back. But if you hurt yourself, it goes to
pay for anything that covers yourself.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I agreed with you, but you've got to pay your
shilling and I want an acc an acc no claims
by bonus my costing he was this morning, he would
be getting his as no claim bonus. That surprises me.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
How can you go for fifty nine years on this
earth without one claim to acc Well, that blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I'm pretty sure it used to be a street biker,
My Costing. I think he used to get the light
crime get out there. But I don't think he's a
mountain biker. He's a safe man, my Cossing.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Clearly, twenty eight past two oh one hundred and eighty
teen eighty is the number to call back in a moment.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Thank you very much. Rayleen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
It's twenty eight to three, Paul, how are you, Oh goody?
Boys are very well? What do you reckon about the
acc scheme?

Speaker 12 (01:00:26):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:00:26):
I agree with Matt, it's a bit of a joke.

Speaker 20 (01:00:29):
It's a bit of a look in.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
The whole country. In cotton Wall. They could save so
much money getting rid of these stupid hymn ads they
got on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I mean, come on, how much I reckon that waster?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
I'll try and find out how much love's been on that.
But you don't like those ads? I thought they were
kind of clear ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
Don't play sport on a s.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Really yeah, those ones really really annoy me because that's
kind of what says you've actually pointed out what actually
got my up about this, because I would rather people
didn't go, hmmm, how that other people have got this thing.
I have to be doing this, like no, get out
and play sport and be there with your friends and
your buddies in the community around that. And that is
a risk that a society needs to take.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Just on the campaign, the one that what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Happens if they don't turn up should be the thing,
and then they don't have enough players for the game.
That's what the hymn should be. Remember the campaign they did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
It must have been about six, seven, eight years ago,
and I thought it was genius. It was acc but
it started off like an ad for the latest you know,
Detergent that you're going to buy or you know, the
Cabots paint and when I paint my house, I love
working with Cabots. And then boom, he fall falls off
his ladder and horribly injured. And the woman who fell

(01:01:39):
through the mother as she's talking about this latter's cleaning
product falls through the glass table. I mean, they were
there were great ads that got your attention.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
There were great stunts anyway.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
Yeah, it's just I mean it's got the whole country's
gone stuffed. I mean, would they would they bring that
ad out when Hillary was gone up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I have her? I mean, you're running out of oxygen.

Speaker 15 (01:02:06):
Have a hymn?

Speaker 9 (01:02:06):
What was the l I mean I heard this kidneys
up in Auckland and there's a mark on the tree.
You know how to climb above that mark?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Well, did you have foot?

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
When I was climbing up a tree cutting some brunches
off and my son was at the bottom of the
tree saying I was too high up, and I thought,
that's round the wrong way. That is that is totally
that's unnatural.

Speaker 18 (01:02:25):
Yeah, yeah, well done that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:26):
But I mean your bounce off.

Speaker 18 (01:02:28):
You know, you fall in your bounce and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Think that the old she she'll be right attitude does
get demonized. I think that's what makes Kiwi's you know,
that's a great trait that we've got as New Zealanders.
We're resourceful, we get things done number eight wire and
and just make sure you get get the job finished.
But part of that is having a system, Like acc said,
if you do do something stupid, you know, you're going
to be looked after.

Speaker 13 (01:02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
Yeah, we don't want to end up the Americans. Americans
and you turned away to hospital because you haven't going
to share it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And who do we admire. We
admire the Dan Carter's, the Karen Reads, the Richer Accords
cause the Wall, the TDS. Yeah, those people went out
and there's a certain amount of risk in it, and
it's being bold and we would not want to take
that away. So I think we need to celebrate it.

Speaker 18 (01:03:17):
To live life. D you live life like you say it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yeah, good call, Thank you very much, Paul Ryan, how.

Speaker 12 (01:03:22):
Are you bloody good?

Speaker 18 (01:03:24):
Guys?

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
I think we just need to get a little bit
of information correct because there's a few false narrative flying around.
If you are registered to the New Zealer Rugby Union,
like any club, you are actually paying additional acc levees
through them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:03:39):
You also, if you're traveling to playing a game of
rugby or traveling from to go home, you are covered
by the New Zealand Rugby Unions in private insurance policy
at the same time. Yeah, and I've got a real
bone to pick with motocross riders whose bikes are unregistered
because they don't need to be and therefore they pay

(01:04:00):
no ACC levees and the other ones in the some
horrific injuries, whereas actual road bike users are paying levee.
So I think I just think we just need to
start taxing the correct areas downhill mountain biking, majority of them.

Speaker 11 (01:04:15):
Downhill mountain bikes aren't cheap, so we can put a
levy on those. We can put a levee on the
fields that operates. It doesn't have to be big. But
the other side of it is, I think one of
your previous cause mentioned ACC I've got about sixty billion
in assets because of the acceptance of responsibility to help
victims of sexual violence from the past. We've had a

(01:04:38):
bad year, and you know what, we've just got to
have to jump in there together, pay that extra bit
and push on forward.

Speaker 12 (01:04:45):
Or we could go after those organizations that help try
to cover that up. We could try and get our
claims off them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yes, so, but and I agree with everything you're saying, Craigan.
It's a pretty interesting thing when you've got EA scooters
that are blasting around that are reasonably respirs, you know,
not paying their way in terms of the damage that's
been done. But would you say, as a general rule,
you would like a society that celebrates risk and celebrates
people getting out and being bold and trying things, as

(01:05:14):
opposed to messaging that says everything's dangerous, be safe. You know.
The messaging, I guess, is what I'm talking about. Ryan.

Speaker 11 (01:05:26):
Yeah, the messaging is correct. We want to get out
about continue our adventurous lifestyle. I totally agree with you
on that, and I actually thought the TV campaign was
pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Yeah, but I get your point right about being consistent
and if there are levees that you pay being part
of a rugby club, and there's levees clearly that you
pay with road if you ride a road bike and
you don't pay that, if you ride a motocross bike
and you don't register it because you don't have to sometimes,
or if you ski and snowboard, it's about being consistent.
And I think there was a point where it wasn't mandatory,

(01:06:00):
but they tried to encourage you to rent risk guards
up on the ski fields, and that money that you
paid to hire that was meant to go back to
what kind of acted like a levy, probably didn't go back.
They probably used it as the Booze Fund, but that
was how it was meant to work, and I'm kind
of behind that. As a skier and snowboarder, I'm happy
to pay a little bit to a levy to go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
How about this one, then, Tyler. When I was a
kid living on the farm, I would wheel my bike
to the top of this huge gravel road and there
was a pine forest. Because I was excited about Star
Wars and the riding between the trees, so I went
up there, pushed up by all the way the type.
It would take me thirty minutes to get the top,
and then i'd ride back down through the trees and
I knock my teeth out doing that. How are you

(01:06:40):
going to put a levy on some You can't levy me.
You can't live in me for that, I would find
out where you live.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I'd send a man around from acc and cough up
heath because that's crazy. Oh, e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Do we have a problem with the system?
Is there changes that need to be made?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I've got a question for you as well. Yeah, okay,
you go nine two nine two see if you know
the answer to this one. How much do we pay
for overseas visitors injuries a year?

Speaker 12 (01:07:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Stab at it now? Roughly speaking you, I'll give you.
I'll let people guess within five hundred thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Because this really winds people up. I'm going to say
per year for tourists. Yep, pre COVID twenty million year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Okay, twenty mil.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
All right, we'll see if you think you know. Ninety
ninety two is the text number. It is twenty one
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Matteeth Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
Matteeth and Tyler Adams afternoons us talk said be eighteen
to three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
So I asked the question before the break, how much
do you think we pay out to tourists overseas visitors
in fixing them up when they're over here and they
injure themselves. I said twenty mil. Someone here said two
hundred and fifty mil. Is there's fifteen mil in there?
Someone say five hundred million. Some serious and some unseerious
guesses there. So what I'll do is I'll go pre

(01:07:59):
COVID because that sort of messes things up. So between
twenty and fifteen and twenty nineteen, ACC paid out fourteen
million nine hundred and seventy five thousand, six hundred and
eighty four dollars to be precise, So tourists claim on
average around three million dollars a year. Said it, Yeah,
what I thought it'd be way higher? You thought you
thought twenty million?

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, interesting, you got that's so wrong, so so wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Get a craig good, How are you good?

Speaker 23 (01:08:25):
I've been and what some people would say highris sport
for thirty odd years. Travelers, we can't get five and
insurance in New Zealand if you want to do these sports,
so you've only got a CC to rely on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
But we do pay.

Speaker 23 (01:08:44):
Levy for our governing body. Yeah, and I think it
a big quinet of But I mean the last time
I was at the hospital doing eight others there from
the same base.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
That's the socializing I'm talking about in risky sports. It's
how you meet people. It's a beautiful thing in the game.
Minded people and you all.

Speaker 23 (01:09:11):
But you know what passes me off is, you know
the people that are doing wrong in the sense of
drink driving that kind of thing. Okay, they're in an accident, cats,
but that's them up. They don't give them their acc
while they're off work or something like that. I don't
get you could save a hell of a lot of

(01:09:32):
money by by going hard on people that are doing
doing wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
You know, you think so much great, Yeah you make Yeah,
you make some good points there, but.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
I mean just on that, and and there's more people
are ringing up and saying if you're part of a
sports body or a mountaineering club, or you're part of
a ski club, but appears you do actually pay levy's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Rugby play rugby pays you pay levies to play rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
But there's a heck of a lot of people that
do those activities that are not part of a club. Hints,
do not pay the levies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yeah. Hey, well there's a lot of people coming back
and they're really having to go at the ac ads
and they especially the hmm one gets people really angry.
That gets me angry as well. I hate a judgmental
aand give me the facts, give me an argument, but
don't give me a fake conversation between two people that
go think about them hmmm. That makes me angry. But
there's some safety ads from the past that I think

(01:10:25):
were fantastic. Okay, this is good, and I'm pretty sure
they were in acc But the one that always I
always think about and I can't remember the details is
very long ago when I was a kid. But and
people might be able to point out the details to
me on this one. On eight hundred and eighteen eighty,
but there was a it's a boat being backed out
and they put the mast up and it hits the

(01:10:47):
power lines. That one has been great for me, yes,
because I'm always thinking about the power lines now, always
think about the power lines. And there's another one, and
this one plays into to my point of view that
it's much more it's much riskier to be at home
eating a lot and sitting on the couch and having

(01:11:08):
a sedentary life that it is going out and doing
nearly any other risky activity. There was one, and I
wonder if people can remember this as well, and it
was it was a guy sitting at a table and
for some reason I remembered his grandmother serving in pipelets
and every time he ate a parklet it went boom
boom boom, boom boo boom, And that stuck with me
my whole life around over eating because basically, I think

(01:11:29):
I'm not sure what department will put it out there
as a New Zealand safety ad, but it was around
overfeeding people was going to do damage to your heart
going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
I think I remember it and that's exactly what I
think about when I'm eating Kentucky fried chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Boom boom boom boom boom boom Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Kieren.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
What's your take on how we fix or if we
need to fix our a SEC system?

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Oh, ICC definitely needs fixing. I think it's atrocious. So
I think most people that have debt with faces so
you've had a bad experience with today hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
And well just just quickly on that care And I've
got to say, and I'm not, you know, being holier
than down there, but when I've had to tap into
the ACC system, been pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Easy for me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
You know, it's heavily discounted when I've broken a fort
or broken an arm, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Haven't end too much.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
Were you telling the truth? Were you telling the truth?

Speaker 8 (01:12:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
On those occasions I were yet both be risky.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
For him to say on a nationwide radio radio that
you're ac seacream Tyler was making it up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I actually didn't want to tell the truth. But I
did tell the truth because it was kind of an
error scene when I was doing a lunge at the
gym and slipped.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
And broke my foot.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I'm serious, So I wanted to lie, but I had
to tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
That's a humiliator. Yeah, you've got to tell the truth.
You got to tell the truth, Karen. But the le
carry on.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
Well, coming back to the guy about motorcycle registrations of levees,
I think it should be one registration to a rider
because it is a lot of motorcycle enthus out there.
They have multiple motorcycles, have a collection of ten motorcycles,
and they're paying ten registrations five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I totally agree with this one hundred percent, because it
doesn't matter how many motorcycles you've got, you're one rider. Yeah,
I agree with that. The logic on that is one
hundred percent sound if you asked.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
Me, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's criminal what they
get away with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Consistency comes back to consistency. Consistency again, Quick takes to
the break yeaddy guys. I had to cut the three
point five meter high hedge last weekend. I have my
twelve year old son holding the ladder precariously balanced on
slopes wolves as he shook his head and said, I
was nuts and Mum wouldn't be happy if she saw.

(01:13:56):
How do you know what your limits are of you
don't take risks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
We've got a rising tide of judgmental kids that are
trying to they've been, they've been. Safety propaganda is so
rife with the ads, and that kids are now judging
their appearance for just taking reasonable risks like I was
climbing a tree and cutting some branches off.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
We've got time for another few calls on this one.
It is twelve to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four you talk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Said James, Good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (01:14:33):
Good afternoon. Yeah, I'm just saying, to a certain extent,
I believe you're right. We have gotten to risk averse
these days, and you know, we've gotten to the point
where you know, you worry about, you know, falling down

(01:14:54):
the stairs as you walk out of the house. But
I think one of the one of the things you've
got to remember too with acc is we when acc
was bought in. Part of what we lost, part of
what we gave up when the SEC was born in

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was the right to sue in certain cases.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Very true, which I think is a good thing.

Speaker 14 (01:15:21):
And you know so because it covered and you wouldn't
wind up in all those sort of lawsuits you see
her going on over in the States or in Britain
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
The ambulance chases. If you're in the States, those excellent lawyers,
they're making a lot of money because every ad on
radio station, every third billboard is one of these ambulance chases.

Speaker 14 (01:15:48):
By the way, that adds the boat one if I
remember rightly, that was done by the old e d Okay.
It was a safety ad for when you're backing your
yachts round boat ramps and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Bench audience though, I mean, how many people are back
in yachts around power power lines.

Speaker 14 (01:16:13):
Well, they were just they were just being cautious, you know,
because there's sometimes there are power lines through some of
the boat yards. They were just saying, you know, big
causious of the power lines around around your boatyard. Just
make sure your master isn't going to go frash into
the damn things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Well, that one really worked. I mean, I'm a big
detractor from the acc ads right now. I can't stand
a judgmental ad. And I can't stand that drink driving
ad where the girlfriend appears in the corner of the
room and starts hassling her boyfriend. That's a misunderstanding of
how you get people to behave. But the the the

(01:16:51):
boat mast ad that really worked for me, and I
remember it being being quite dramatic, and there was and
there was a lightning strike basically down the mast, but
a bit of it sa it again, it was probably
just cut to wide or something because it was a
long time ago. The pip ad, as I was saying before,
that will stick with me. My bomb bomb don't eat
so much. And there was also one against swimming and
jeans that has always stuck with me. I can't remember

(01:17:13):
two in the details, but it was obviously there was
a lot of people swimming in jeans, and I've never
swim in jeans because of that. Very good Tony. How
you doing all right, mate?

Speaker 24 (01:17:23):
How about you?

Speaker 22 (01:17:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Good? Do you like the have him ads?

Speaker 24 (01:17:28):
I do? In fact, I'd like to take your mate
to tasks because have Adam have Adam exactly like I mean,
just about everybody, and I love so sads. You stop
and think about it. There's one where of dude sitting
on the on the bench and he says, Christ, who's
going to take me to the toilet? And you know,

(01:17:50):
a flash of a toilet roll comes up? Okay, so
do you want your mates to take you to the toilet?
And then there's a woman she says Christ who's going
to bathe me? And well, once again she doesn't want
a stranger or other people bathing her. It's it's about
risk manager. There's nothing wrong with taking risks. You just

(01:18:11):
got to plan them out. You don't go out and
a forty nine bloody wind on the white matter without
life jackets. I mean, the law requires you to have them,
but not everybody obeys them. So take risks by all
means have fun because I mean a hell of a
lot of fun involves taking risks. But do your risk

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management first. Okay, if I get into this predicament, I'm
going to need that, and so have a HM moment.
Don't just go and jump off the cliff. Put a
bloody parachute on first.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
You're good, Tony, You're good. Do you went for the
acc This is you make some good points there, Tony,
But what I would say is across society that is
the wrong way to look at something. What we should
be doing is spending as much money as we can
telling people to get out, do stuff, get into the air,
get fit. I mean, right through the whole COVID situation,

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I couldn't believe because the best thing you could do
to defend yourself against COVID was to be as fit
and healthy as you possibly could be. And that would
have seemed that there should have been a whole lot
of ads get out, go running, get yourself fit, get
yourself in good shape. And I think for a society
that is a much bigger message because obesity is a
much larger risk to ours as society, and sedentary behavior

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and social isolation are the much bigger risks to our
society than accidents.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
In my opinion, I agree, Yeah, nicely. See just on
the backing of a boat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Have you ever tried to do that backing a boat.
I am on a boat ramp if you can see
the boat. I'm terrible when there's no boat on the trailer.
For some reason, I'm terrible backing the boat and I'm
humiliating myself a number of times, and the pressure when
everyone's watching.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Yeah, if you want some entertainment, go down to the
boat ramp on a nice Saturday and just watch the carnage.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
It's great popcorn. I can back the boat into the water,
but I can't back the trailer up to the boat.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Good discussion, Thank you very much for everyone who called
in or text. In Coming up, we're going to have
a chat about Air New Zealand v Jet Star.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
What do you prefer your patriot Your patriotic duty is
to fly in New Zealand in my opinion, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to cool.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk ZIB.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Great to have
your company.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Thank you very much for giving us a listen, and
hope you're doing well wherever you are in the country. Right,
let's have a chat about are New Zealand versus Jetstar.
Great story in the New Zealand here written by Grant Bradley,
which has been the most reliable. So about twenty percent
of their New Zealand and Jetstar flights we're running later,
more than one hundred were canceled over two months of flying,

(01:20:54):
according to new government figures. So the on performance on
time rather performance data from the Ministry of Transport assessed
in New Zealand and Jetstar on time departures and arrivals
within fifteen minutes of schedule and cancelation rates on their
jet network. So for July, both airlines recorded a seventy
eight point five percent on time arrivals and seventy six

(01:21:15):
point five percent on time departures. The cancelation rate was
one point four percent. Not too bad by airline. Air
New Zealand was the better on time performer during the
two months, but Jetstar get this, had a lower cancelation rate.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Wow wow, But that's what we.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Want to talk about because Jetstar for a long time
was considered a terrible airline. It had a lot of cancelations,
It was terrible to its customers. It didn't accept if
you turned up, you know, a couple of minutes late,
or even if you were there and for some reason
their systems didn't work and you couldn't get on the flight,

(01:21:52):
they wouldn't have a bar of it. Whereas Air New
Zealand was always seen as incredibly customer focused, great customer service,
a fantastic airline. Now according to this government data, they
are pretty close in terms of getting you you need
to get to on time. So has the wormb tuned
so to speak? On how we feel about Jidsta not

(01:22:14):
for you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Well, no, and I guess my feeling of it is
maybe not logical, but I just much prefer in New
Zealand and I will never fly Jetstar never. I just
never would. I never would. I just feel I just
feel it.

Speaker 22 (01:22:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
That could be earpoints related and a certain amount of
patriotism and there as well. But yeah, as I said before,
I was in a situation recently when I was flying
back from Queenstown and I flew in the New Zealand
fly even though my partner was flying sit stuff like
because I was like, no, no, I want to be in
New Zealand. I just feel comfortable. And I think that
goes back a little bit. I was also saying this before,

(01:22:53):
you know, when I was living overseas for periods of time,
I was just so I just loved getting on any
New Zealand plane when I was going home, it just
felt like you were home before you left Heathrow, just
that those Keiwi accents would come. And I've just always
been quite proud of being in New Zealand. As as
in the airline, I think it's a fantastic airline. At
bats above its waist. Wait, it punches above its weight.

(01:23:14):
I think that's that's the same. But you're patriotic. I
am having said that, the safety adds do me in oh.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I change the safety ads.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Don't Just give us the information as quickly as you can.
I don't want to see a cardboard plane flying around.
I don't want to see jokes. Just give me the information.
That's the only thing that I'm empty in New Zealand
And is those safety adds. Just the quickest way to
get me those information, that information.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
And that's what Singapore Airlines does very well, Japan Airlines.
It's twenty seconds. Here's what happens if the engines go out. Yeah,
you know, put your heads into your knees and pray
to whatever God you believe. And basically, but I'm with you,
those safety videos wait too long.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's becally when they say, like, even if you fly
a lot with us, it's important to watch this thing.
It's so it's okay. If it's important to watch it,
give me the information as quickly as you possibly can.
I don't need your stupid story. Okay, get the information out.
Just on the it feels like home.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
I the last time I flew internationally was about five
years ago, six years ago, and it was to Thailand
and a couple of stops on the way Stopton and
Sydney and flew I believe Emirates, which I thought that
was a fantastic airline. But you're right on the way back,
and then stopped in Melbourne and jumped on their Air
New Zealand flight instantly like I'm home home, But.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I feel safe. You know that in New Zealand's safe, reliable,
you know they're good. You know they're a good airlines.
So I guess the question is have you have you
been loyalty in New Zealand and you're changing to Jetstar
because of I guess price and that and that the
real reliability risks in a factor anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
But it's been no secret that Air New Zealand has
had some problems since COVID nineteen, right, I mean in
terms of the customer service and in terms of the refunds.
And poor old Greg Foran who came from and I
think he is a brilliant businessman. He very successful in
America Walmart. So he took a massive pay cut to
come and look after our national airline and he's had

(01:25:12):
a mirror of a time trying to get it back
up to scratch. And you're right, it had a great run,
the world's favorite airline, you know, multiple times running. And
now I think people are that that shine of ear
in New Zealand has started to rub away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I would agree with that, even with me to a
certain extent. And look my understanding that as they laid
off a lot of really good people and it was
hard to get them back, you know, just a on
a you know, a cold face, you know, customer facing
level as well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
You know, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is Jetstar back?
Have you used it recently? What was it like? Is
it all about price? Or are you like Matt? You're
patriotic and in New Zealand, even if it has had
some problems, is still your airline of choice?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
And maybe you just want to send a message to
you in New Zealand. You love them, but like me,
those safety videos are killing you. Yeah, time to get
rid of them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, it's twelve past three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
It's quught a past three in New Zealand. Still your
airline of choice? Or are you starting to give jitsa
a bit of a lucky loo now that they're getting
better in terms of their customer service and the lack
of cancelations compared to what they had about ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Colin, what do you reckon?

Speaker 19 (01:26:24):
Yeah? I fly Josie come over, Auntie overworking. I fly
on a regular basis. I always go to New Zealand
Royalty Airports. Yes, definitely, I fly business class, but their
prices are pretty high for business class for a three
out trip and Army. I've got a couple of flights

(01:26:46):
coming up in December and January and that was just
under three grand. Did you say, yeah, Destrom from the Brisbane.
But you do get good service and you know, you
do feel like you're home a couple of trips.

Speaker 17 (01:27:02):
Ago they.

Speaker 19 (01:27:04):
They had rented planes from Spain. I think a boss
and although very lovely people and all that sort of stuff,
but just felt different, you know, yeah, just yeah, just
until feel the same. And you know I've been o
the States and had a few times and you know

(01:27:24):
I always do zeal And, go go anywhere else. I
just think, you know, we've got a national airline support it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
I've got a couple of questions for you, Colin. Firstly,
if it's not too personal, a question where you're sitting.
You sound like you might be up there around the
gold elite level. And secondly, what do you think of
the safety videos? Because I love your New Zealand, but
I just those safety videos that they're getting to me.
They're starting to really get to me.

Speaker 19 (01:27:50):
Oh yeah, know they the safety videos. You know, I'm
pretty much on the gold class standard. But do you
know I do quite goody. It's yeah the fore, it's enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, good food in the.

Speaker 19 (01:28:10):
Yeah yeah yeah, everything else, but a love a big drinker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Just on that business level.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
You know, when they play those safety videos and you've
got to do the right thing. But if you're listening
to your own soundtrack or trying to watch a movie
on your phone and they make you take the the
airphone out, and I get that. Surely in business class
they give you a little bit more room there to
just leave you watching your movie or do they make
you take it out for that as well?

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Oh they ask you to.

Speaker 19 (01:28:37):
But yeah, one plug in, one plug out sort of thing,
and you pretend we've heard it a few times.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
It's like, yeah, I know the drill, I know the drill.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
As I said before, they say, even if you fly
with as lot, it's important you watch there. But I've
also heard that the Kevin crew they take it quite personally.
If you're not watching watching the video.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Well, you think it's bad for us, the poor cabin
crew man. How many times they have seen that video?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Oh my god, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
It's like working at a supermarket and Christmas where you
hear the same five songs over and over again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Bell, how are you good?

Speaker 13 (01:29:15):
Thank you? How are you guys doing. You haven't been
on the radio for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Well, welcome back in good to check, especially because you
used to work for the New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Is that right?

Speaker 24 (01:29:26):
Y's threat?

Speaker 25 (01:29:28):
So when COVID came and I was one of those
that it decided to volunteer for redundancy and be a
wait for the companies for about four years.

Speaker 13 (01:29:41):
Yeah, givenely mister. The people that I worked with here
amazing people. But as I've always looked at treatism and
things like that, I actually fly for a fly jetsty

(01:30:01):
now and again you know it's I don't I don't
find a problem with with JITs.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 13 (01:30:10):
Take your toism. I kind of think is oh my
own crystal. The thing is everybody, everybody pays for things
for what they can afford. If you're paid for budget airline,
you know you get what you paid for in anything.
My wife's my wife's a bit more patriotically comes through
the comes to the airline. My wife much preferred of

(01:30:31):
fly flights for you New Zealand. And Steve loves the
service that that all my old colleagues provide. And I
love the service that they provide. But I know, I
don't know, you know, like I say, people go for

(01:30:53):
for what they can afford. If you if you're a
wealthy person, you know you want the best and and
if you look at the two, what's the best in
New Zealand's the best that's ride the better service?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Hey, Bill, do you think since fine employees like you
have left in New Zealand around the COVID time. Have
you noticed a drop off in the quality of the product?

Speaker 13 (01:31:15):
I think I think the quality of the product for
for all companies that are out there has changed a
lot because of you know, we are making some comparisons
between Jetstar and in New Zealand. When I look when
I look at the two, I still see Jetstar as
a budget airlines as all countries have budget airlines, you know,

(01:31:38):
and and you've got to have them. You have to
have them because not everybody can afford what you know
what one of those going to afford. And I have
a tendency to look for the cheap airlines. You know,
I don't just fly in New Zealand. You know, it's
fine airlines. You know, like if I'm if I wanted
to go to Pine, I'm going to I'm going to

(01:31:59):
look for the cheapest air for you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Well, thank you so much, a bill, and you say,
you know, like you'll get in New Zealand. And I'm
asking if the quality is down in New Zealand just
has just taken out the top the top two spots,
including best air line in the world in the cond
Nasty Traveler to twenty twenty four Readers Choice Awards of
the luxury UK based travel magazine, and Your Awards released

(01:32:22):
its list with more than five hundred and seventy five
thousand listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Are certainly getting better, no doubt about it, getting back
to their former glory. I've got to say, though, Matt,
that when I book a flight, ninety percent of it
is down to price. I'm just being honesty, you know.
I mean, particularly domestically, if I can fly Jet staff
for half the price, and sometimes it's not half the price,
but if I can get a lot cheaper than Air
New Zealand, oh go Jet Starry every day. Are you

(01:32:47):
running air points though, Tyler, Yes, I am. You're right,
And so that is, you know, starting to a crew
that we might have a week you know, nice week.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Is using them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Actually she's using them all She's flying back down to
the Cristis this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
You've got to be care for those sharepoints. You go
to check and then someone on them has used them.
But you actually also got to have a look at
your ear points because you can sometimes get very little.
You've got to get the flexi. You got to get
the flexi fear before you can get any decent airports.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Yeah, good, call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It
is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Good afternoon, Simon. How are you.

Speaker 20 (01:33:32):
I'm well, thanks guys. How you going?

Speaker 22 (01:33:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
So you have worked for both of the airlines in
New Zealand and jets Day. You're a good man to
chat too.

Speaker 20 (01:33:40):
Yeah, I've got an interesting perspective on it. I think
I've spent thirteen years at the New Zealand currently now
with Jetstar. Number of reasons behind the predominantly to do
with COVID. Yeah, we weren't basically just let go by
a New Zealand and you know, like everyone during lockdown
and post COVID, I just got sick of driving vans

(01:34:01):
and working in restaurants and doing whatever I had to do.
I wanted to get back flying. So Jetstar basically we're hiring,
and I'll thought, well, I'll go off there and get
my feet wet again and run back to anything on
as soon as I can. And I'm still there at
Jetstar and very very happy. And if you told me
that three years ago would have laughed in your face.

(01:34:21):
But it's a cultural thing really. It's a great company
to work for. They look after you very very well.
It's very familiar. You go to work with your mates,
you support your mates, you work as a team with
your mate. I'm not bagging a New Zealand. I'm not
saying they weren't like that. They certainly were. I'm just
you know, from a crue perspective, very happy there. But

(01:34:42):
the reason that probably to call with something property to
call was hearing one of you refer to you know,
you get on board in New Zealand and you feel safe. Well,
you certainly do. And you know people will often not
Jet start because it's a low cost airline. They often
think it's some sort of toy airline where they don't
have spare parts or what have you. People need to
remember that conscious of conscious. Jetstar as one hundred per

(01:35:05):
owned by Quantity. It's got all the it's got all
the engineering back up it needs, it's got all the
technical things that it could need every time there's a
fold or anything. And they are extremely safe. I've got
safety record right up there with any other airline there.
As safety as a massive priority.

Speaker 14 (01:35:27):
Video.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Yeah, you don't have the rest Simon. What what do
you so you cabin crew?

Speaker 20 (01:35:34):
Yes, I'm a manager in the cabin.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
And what about the behavior of of of the customers
Jetstar in New Zealand. If you said you star as
a I guess as cheaper airline. As the behavior different
from passengers, I.

Speaker 20 (01:35:52):
Don't think so on the whole. No, I mean, like
any airline, you get the odd person here all there
that's had wondering, too many coming on or you know
a little bit nically. But honestly, in thirteen years at
Any Zealand also doing the same job, I saw the
same amount of you know, to small percenters, but you
see the same sort of things. But what the thing

(01:36:13):
that was almost struck me about, Jess. We don't have TVs,
so we can't play you a flat video. But we
get out there. We deliver the information very very professionally,
and we deliver the information that you need. And when
you mentioned that cabin crew take it personally when you
don't pay attention or you don't listen, well, we actually
do because when it comes time to get you out

(01:36:36):
of that aircraft, and you know, one hundred and ninety
seconds and it happens. It happens all the time all
over the world. We don't want you to be the
one that's going to stand there screening.

Speaker 24 (01:36:44):
What do I do?

Speaker 13 (01:36:45):
What do I do?

Speaker 20 (01:36:46):
So please just listen for two minutes for your own safety.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Well what i'd say, Simon, as I understand that, and
if Star. I haven't flown at Star, but I play
in New Zealand, and as I said before, I get
re frustrated with their boring safety videos. But if you
are delivering it, Simon, you're standing up there and as
a person delivering it to me and I know getting
through it and the information I need in an expedient fashion,
I would absolutely one hundred percent pay attention. But when

(01:37:11):
it's the same pache video I've seen when I've been
traveling around a lot, sometimes twice in a day, Yeah,
it's just too much and it's it's a big ass
to get people to watch it for the second time
that day.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
So I mean, if I was a passenger on your flight,
just just this is a personal question, what do I
need to do? Because sometimes there's some upgrades on offer,
or you know, you might look after me a bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
What do I need to do?

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
As a passenger to be right at the top of
that list.

Speaker 20 (01:37:41):
Well, you've got to remember what our product is. You know,
we offer a viable, very safe alternative to the National Airline.
But we don't have different classes. We are one class.
The only real distinction is if you wish to sit
forward in the aircraft in the first two or three rows,
there's a little bit more legro and you will pay
a slightly higher fare. But you know, I know it

(01:38:02):
sounds a bit of a cliche, but all I can
say to you you come on board and treat the
cabin crew the way you'd like to be treated. Just
be friendly and personable, and you'll be amazed at the
response you get back.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Well that's so. That's a lesson across all of life,
isn't it. That's great?

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
What was the safety video that rolling at the moment?
Is that the eighth Wonder of the World?

Speaker 13 (01:38:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
That was ah man, I've seen that. I find ly
about fifty dimes and the Joe got a frequent fly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
The joke at the end about the yearn is a
year or No, that doesn't make any sense, that joke,
it's like the store. Yeah, I'll get the joke. So
you've been waterboarded. You've been waterboarded for however long that
add is? Actually we lost Simon, No, no, no, Simon,
still there, Simon? Roughly how long is how long is
your manual briefing on a jit star flight.

Speaker 20 (01:38:50):
Of two minutes? Two and a half minutes top? But yeah,
there's no other thing that really drives me crazy is
when you fly on airlines in America and they treated
as a joke, like the flight of tenants are out
there ad living and making comments and you know, and
that drives me crazy because are you actual taking the
information there or you're just laughing, going, oh, he's so cute.

(01:39:13):
But just one final point, if I may. You are
asking me about sort of the difference in customers or
the different clientele. Well, what I have noticed, and I've
discussed this as my managers just recently post COVID startup again,
it's actually very noticeable of jets at the moment towards
the front of the aircraft. Where As I said, it's

(01:39:34):
a few dollars more to get a bit more room
and legroom, We're getting a lot more people in business suits,
a lot more people working on laptop laptops, so clearly
we are changing our clientele. Slowly but surely. We've got
people business people now who are realizing that we are
very safe, viable and much cheaper alternative to the National airline.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Very good, Thank you so much for your call. Simon A.
We don't have time now, but I've got so I
want to tell you in a minute how a scrap
a fistfight at Star was the best thing that ever
happened to me. What as eaes it is thirty one
past three.

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Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Thank you very much, Railean.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Now before the headlines you mentioned a story about of
dust up on a Jetstar flight that got your job.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Well, I wasn't a jit Star flight. Actually we're talking
about Jetstar and in New Zealand's ritability ratings are pretty even.
Now I'm a big are New Zealand fan, but I
have to thank Jetstar for this because Ian Stables a
shock jock.

Speaker 8 (01:41:56):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Coming to work at Radiohodaki and he had been hired,
but before his first day on the job he got
into a fight at a jet jit Star Kiosk. He
was filmed in a dust up. He ended up with
a couple of injuries. It was widely considered to be well.
I'm not sure whose fault it was how it started,

(01:42:20):
but he lost his job before it even started, and
I got the call saying would you like to do
a drive show on radio Hodaki And that's how I
got got into radio. Radio was never gonna be in
my career. But if that Jetstar counterwork it hadn't gone
to a fight with the inn Stables, I wouldn't be
here with you Tyler today and talking to the good

(01:42:41):
people of News Talks in me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Thank you Jetstar and thank you Ian Stables. Bruce, how
you doing you good?

Speaker 26 (01:42:48):
Thank you sir?

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Yeah good?

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
You love your New Zealand. You're on met site on
this one.

Speaker 26 (01:42:53):
Why ed Yeah, we've been over to gold Coach, Civil Twins,
put the kids over and Da Da Da always playing
in New Zealand. Get Star once, but it's not so
much surprise to supporting the local airlines.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Oh yeah, so very patriarch.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
You want to see in New Zealand as our national
airline do well and you will support them absolutely.

Speaker 26 (01:43:13):
If we don't use it, we'll lose its simple as that.
And the staff have been fantastic over the years, no
complaints at all. I think the youngest Chelsea was three
months old when THEO the kids first time sat at
the front of the plane. You know, if we cot,
things folded down and the girls couldn't have been nicer.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
And we do own fifty percent. The New Zealand government
owns fifty one percent of the New Zealand so you
could argue patriotically that you could fly in New Zealand
because we kind of own it. But then again you
could also argue that in New Zealand doesn't really give
us any any discounts on the fields. They certainly don't.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
So you see you flu Jetstar once, Bruce, was that
an okay service that they offered was okay.

Speaker 26 (01:43:59):
Let's go back an awful long time ago.

Speaker 14 (01:44:01):
Now yeah, no, no, it was.

Speaker 20 (01:44:03):
As good as gold.

Speaker 26 (01:44:04):
But we're in tomorrow, so the only the only flights.
Let it leaves tomorrow. You've got to go to Wellington
and then do connecting flights from there. So obviously in
New Zealand and even domestically from week places like tomorrow
in newsand the Great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
The price must upset you a little bit, though, Bruce.
I mean that's good because a lot of people know
the pain of trying to fly out of one of
the regions. I'm originally from Nelson. Really expensive to get
a flight from Nelson to Auckland, Wellington, christ It's just
the way it's always been.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
That must upset you a little bit.

Speaker 26 (01:44:38):
It does, it does, it does, and we know that's
nothing they can do. But they've been talking about doing
more connecting flights from tomorrow to different places.

Speaker 18 (01:44:46):
But talk to talk.

Speaker 26 (01:44:47):
Whether or not it ever happens down the track, we'll
never know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:49):
I don't think to be perfectly honest.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Yeah, good, cool, you're a good New Zealander, Bruce patriotic.
Alistair is on the opposite side of this, they get.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
A Alistair.

Speaker 5 (01:44:59):
Strange.

Speaker 8 (01:44:59):
Who are you?

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
I've good my friends, So in New Zealand talk to
us about in New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (01:45:05):
Yah, in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (01:45:06):
I went to Queenstone last week and I looked two
weeks ago to book a flight going down on a Friday.
I'm back on a Sunday eight one hundred and forty
eight dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:45:18):
Well is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
What that's there? And back?

Speaker 22 (01:45:21):
So return nine hundred and something something like three hundred
and forty from Auckland to Queenstown on the Friday and
then the Sunday was five hundred and thirty two from
Queenstown to off so he I said to them, I
can go to Thailand for.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
That hair close to the flight? Did you book Alistair?

Speaker 12 (01:45:39):
I was about three weeks out, but I went to
get yeah, and I went to jet Star instead and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
The gate did you get in an Air? And jet
Star right?

Speaker 12 (01:45:49):
Eighty dollars return?

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Absolutely perfect, one hundred and eighty Did you say to eighty?

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Wow, almost seventy cheaper. That's a hek of a saving.

Speaker 12 (01:46:01):
Well, yeah, well there's no one there are New Zealand. Okay,
your national airline, well whatever, I'm not national.

Speaker 17 (01:46:06):
I'm not.

Speaker 12 (01:46:09):
And I don't have a problem. But if you want
to support them. But why they have the monopoly and
they can charge what the hell they wake because they
know that people have got no other options but to
pay that price. I think it's a money grabbing thing
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Whatever plane you're on, though, Alistair flying into Queenstown has
quite an experience between the mountains. Did you have a
clear day flying in?

Speaker 12 (01:46:30):
No, it's beautiful. I mean I've been decreased so well
before I work different. It's stunning.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
It's such a beautiful flight to fly and you should
maybe this needs to be a premium for the sight
seeing as you fly in.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Is that the best airport in New Zealand? Do you
think in terms of the beauty aspect Queenstown.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
As you come into land probably is flying between the mountains? Yeah,
the remarkables on one side, Yeah, I mean a lake
on the other. Yeah. And it's I mean like there's
other you know, like you'd think flying in the mountains
would be a sort of a terrifying situation, but you
know it's nothing on Wellington or Nap got off in
some bad, bad landing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Yeah, Peter, what's your thoughts on this one? Hello, you're
on my friends.

Speaker 11 (01:47:19):
I didn't realize it's I've got a bit of a
balance on find out they have a bit of a
grizzle about in New Zealand. Long story, short Christmas Last
Christmas has been booked a holiday from a WI from
the south to Hawaii. Bookd accommodation all there above. About
four weeks out from the actual flights in May, we'll

(01:47:41):
go to email saying sorry we're bumped you off those
flights and you're now going three days earlier. No explanation
no reasons, no apologies, know nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:47:52):
Basically.

Speaker 11 (01:47:54):
The other thing was, we've got this paid by the
extra for seats, were a bit more room still cattle class,
but paid extra for seats. Long story short, Yes, but
we had no choice ranging up about it. That couldn't
do anything about it. No, he saw no reason given
why and we couldn't even so we had to go
on another flight otherwise we'd have to lose all our accommodation.

(01:48:17):
And yeah, bodm story was. And when they put us
on the earlier flight three days earlier, we couldn't get
the special seats either, was stuck in the paca little seats.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
And did they sort it out to you know, to
your liking in the end, I mean, that's a it's
a crazy experience to be in.

Speaker 8 (01:48:36):
No, not at all.

Speaker 11 (01:48:38):
There was it were go three days earlier or we
had the option to cancel, but that wasn't an option
because then we'd lose out our accommodation just to balance
out up there. Once we were on the flight, the
staff they were fantastic, actually they were fantastic, but any
zee on themselves would never fly with them again if
we had a choice.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
How long How long did it take you to get
through to customer service to try and explain this is crazy,
what's going on here?

Speaker 8 (01:49:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:49:06):
Probably stand a half hour wasn't too bad, but yeah
the girl at an anxious No, I'll apologize on their behalf.
Well yeah, right, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
It only takes one situation like that to put you
off the national carrier, though, I take it, Matt, you've
had exemplary service from me in New Zealand pretty much
your whole flying career.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Yeah, I have. Although I had a recent thing where
I was running late for my flight and I arrived
and I was within the half an hour. I was
after the half an hour window, right, And there's a
weird thing with airlines where they think they can tell
you off. It's like either I can get on the
flight or not. But I got this big lecture. It
was like, you can't arrive here within you're too late

(01:49:48):
to get on the plane. You can't get on the plane.
What do you think? I got this big telling off?
And I was like, well, you're okay, well I can't
get on, so just say that inform me I can't
get on a bit. It's still broken the rules. Yeah,
breaking rules, school teacher, you know, that's fine, I'll pay
the price. Yeah, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Thank you very much, Peter, I got to take a
break back in a sick.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty
eighties and Taylor Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News Talk said, be
good afternoon. We are talking about Air New Zealand versus Jets.
Great story in the Herald today by Grant Bradley in
terms of their cancelations and departing on time. Both the
airlines are actually pretty close now and what's been your experience.

Speaker 27 (01:50:34):
A little bit different. I'm not referring to Jets, I'm
referring to a new yelling comparing with Barrier Air who
have just started servicing Kerry Carey to Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Right.

Speaker 27 (01:50:46):
The price is basically Barrier Air offering its half half
the price that your New Zealand are. And you know,
like I'm looking at booking a month out and you're
looking comparing going from Kerry three to Auckland one hundred
and I think it's one hundred and seventy nine for
in New Zealand and about sixty nine to eighty nine

(01:51:07):
for barrier air.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Wow, so great.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Is it just Kierrie Curriy to Auckland or do they
flying to fung at a as well?

Speaker 27 (01:51:14):
No, they don't find fung and I unfortunately that I
think they're doing how wrong A very here on. I
can't quite remember where.

Speaker 13 (01:51:22):
They go.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Are How big are those planes?

Speaker 27 (01:51:26):
And oh they're smaller?

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Yeah, little little little wee planes.

Speaker 27 (01:51:30):
Yeah they're a bit smaller. But I mean, you know,
like you think you'd be paying a bit more, wouldn't
you have a premium for a smaller plane flying less people.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
That must be one of the most canceled flights though
in New Zealand out of care carey my kids have
gone up there to holiday quite a lot, and on
a number occasions they've ended up on the bus on
the way back because the flights have just beginning.

Speaker 27 (01:51:52):
Yeah, well, I wanted to go all the way to
New Plymouth, but in New Zealand prices are just crazy,
like it's it's shocking, So I'd have to go to
Auckland and then travel with my dad's reach of the.

Speaker 12 (01:52:03):
Way in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Yeah it sounds here petrol, which is I know odd
to hear sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Here is another one that it flies out of Blenham,
obviously being the Mulbra sounds, but I think it goes
to maybe not Wellington but Carpety Nelson hairy flights. I've
got to say she's pretty low and pretty tight in there.
But in terms of savings, I think from memory the
last time I flew from Blenham to Wellington it was
about eighty bucks and I thought, oh that's good.

Speaker 27 (01:52:29):
Wow yeah, yeah right, definitely putting them through their paces.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
He care bury it, Yeah, but yeah, it is. It's
a cozy experience. I think it was an eight seater,
so you get to know everyone really well, including the
pilots because you can see the pilot. There's no bloody cockpit.
Well there is a cockpit, but there's no doors.

Speaker 8 (01:52:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Yeah. In the plane's sort of box shaped, doesn't it?
Box shape?

Speaker 8 (01:52:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
And in terms of turbulence, I mean the whole way.
There's turbulence the whole way. But that's like it, that's
like a high adrenaline. That's a bonus. You pay extra
for that, that adrenaline of the small plane and experiencing
the wind conditions and the weather.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Yeah, that's a good point next to you if you
go well watching on the plane and quite quarter there's yeah,
three hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I got this for eighty bucks. Yeah, like people are
flying big planes into Queens Down and going bungee jumping.
You just get on burier ear and you'll experience you
ex experienced some real safe adrenaline on your on your commute, Daniel,
How are you doing?

Speaker 15 (01:53:26):
Hi?

Speaker 27 (01:53:26):
Good?

Speaker 17 (01:53:26):
Did I can I trouble you?

Speaker 28 (01:53:28):
Something different regarding jud Star please right? A friend of
mine she went to Wellington last week just through the
carry bag and the ladies handbag. Now she went and
she came back after three days with the same thing.
What happened when she was getting off at the offline
airport her carry on luggage. When she's getting off the plane,

(01:53:51):
they did the pay on the carry on luggage. And
where this poor old ladies she has to pay seventy dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
So hey match, she was charged getting off the plane.

Speaker 17 (01:54:03):
Off the plane because I travel a lot normally with
carry on luggage. It's got to wait, infre how are
you going here?

Speaker 8 (01:54:09):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:54:11):
And when she was getting off in Rollington, because when
I went and pick her up and she took exactly
the same thing. And see what chance seventy dollars say
they said slightly overweight.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
So how did they weigh it when she was getting off?
Did she have to go to a way station? Then
she got off the plane for what.

Speaker 17 (01:54:27):
She said, they had the scale there or something.

Speaker 18 (01:54:29):
Wow, and there was a big ramy there they're weighing,
you know, and look at cloth.

Speaker 5 (01:54:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
I wouldn't pay Getty. I wouldn't be in the queue.
I'd jumped the barrier and start running for the doors.
I wouldn't be doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Once you're on the ground. You know, once you're on
the ground, they don't own you anymore. Exactly, suckers, You
should have done it before I jumped on the plane.
Wave me on the way in, on the way off,
no way.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It is nine
minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Mat heat and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four US Talk, say'd be coming up
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Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
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Speaker 29 (01:55:09):
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Labour leader Chris Hopkins is going to be with us.
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Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Getting the answers you deserve either duplicy Ellen drive with
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Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Six minutes to four texts here get our guys in
New Zealand. Oh sorry, Rather, I've just returned from a
trip overseas using multiple airlines Malaysia Airlines, easy Jet in KLM,
and I have to say I really missed their New Zealand.
I really don't think it's anything physical that makes Air
New Zealand better, but good old.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Kiwi hospitality agreed.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
When I was at the Auckland and Wellington airports, the
staff couldn't do enough to help me, whereas at other
airports around overseas, I felt like I was just another passenger.
My only gripe with Air New Zealand is the price.
They can't win it everything from Katie nice.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
X, Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Feel you feel
at home when you on any New Zealand flight especially
flying in from overseas. Now I've I've been raging. You
have been raging hard. I mean very very positive about
in New Zealand every way, but I've been raging hard
against their safety videos and then being too long. This
is a big one, yea yeah, And the eighth wonder
of the world, eighth wonder of the world one is torture.

(01:56:27):
I've got that plane at the moment. Sometimes I can't
take any of the taka hawan. That was rough. But
I thought i'd be positive because I think initially they
were very good. I think initially at the start it
was a real novelty and I was quite proud of them.
I saying, oh, in New Zealand's doing something different, and
they became they went viral around the world. People were
very you know, they were in New Zealand, were getting
global advertising and they were getting millions and millions of

(01:56:48):
views on them, Awards glow for those safety videos around
and then there was an awkward wrap one that nearly
ended the careers of everyone and they got taken off
early and things fell off a cliff after that one.
So I want to go back and be a positive
person and celebrate the five best ones of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
All right, so let's start at number five.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Yeah, okay, So the Richie McCaw. You know, you got
a Graham Henry, the who Loves Who the most? Twenty
and eleven one was that the men and Black one. No,
I wasn't all right? Okay, er five yep. Then there
was the nude one. You remember the nude one.

Speaker 8 (01:57:20):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Body painted riskue risk. Everyone was the nerd.

Speaker 5 (01:57:25):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
This is the official list, just made up by me,
just pulled out of my out of my mind. Then
there was the Lord of the Rings one twenty fourteen.
You've got gandalf on an Eagle, You've got Elija Wooden.
There the twenty twelve Sports illustrated Cook Islands Models on
the Beach shoot one. I was a big fan of
that one. And the number one, the feel good Northland
Rachel Hunter and other famous kiwis driving around. You got

(01:57:51):
Scott Dixon in there. I believe Mike Costking might have
been on it at one point. That could be wrong.
There you go, that's that's the best one. Fantastic, That
always made me feel good. That one. You've got money
not high. I'm feeling patriotically suddenly weather. It was a
beautiful advertising for our country. Yeah in New Zealand all
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
I'm with you now, thank you for very much for
today Friday tomorrow, which means.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
We announce the Matt and Tyler New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Oh? Absolute one hundred percent. I've got my song picked already,
and this something major happens between now and then. I
know what song I'm playing. This is going to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
To have a great rest of your night, and we'll
see you safe and sound tomorrow. See you ladd up
and give them a taste of Keiwi from me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
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