Full Show Podcast: 18 February 2025

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Helly Great New Zealanders and welcome to Matt and Tyler
Afternoon's full show podcast number sixty nine for the eighteenth
of February twenty twenty five. Big show today, burg chat
on peacekeeping in the Ukraine and with the New Zealand
should be there. Yeah, some heated discussions, some back and forth,
but it was a fantastic chat and then we finished

(00:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
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Speaker 4 (00:41):
I would agree. Actually, fantastic show And for sixty nine,
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Said B, Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Seven pass one.
Do hope you having a great afternoon? Shoes take it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
At Maddy Good eh, Tyler, It's a beautiful dayn't it
it is. It's a beautiful day in and out. It's
a beautiful day for sitting in here doing some radio
and read it ago.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Absolutely, it is well on to that after three thirty
honesty boxes on the back of a pretty terrible story
about an honesty box that was dug up, ripped off
and stolen. Is that just the lowest of the low?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Should they just set up honesty boxes as traps so
if people steal from them it automatically tases you or something. Yes,
And for stealing an entire honesty box, are you the
most dishonest person in the whole country? If you steal
the dig up and steal the entire honesty box, You're
not just taking a few nicktarenes, You're taking the whole thing.

(01:55):
Are you New Zealand's worst person?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I agree with you. You beg on tasering people at the moment.
I like it. I like it, but that is after
three thirty, after three o'clock eating dinner at the table
or eating it on your lap watching TV.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Your controversy on my costing breakfast today when Christoph Lux
and our Prime Minister said that him and his wife
eat their dinner on their laps watching TV.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Uncouth.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, well, you know they don't have kids. But I
think it's very important if you've got kids to sit
down at a table or a countertop and eat your
meal and be focused on your eating your meal and
talk together rather than sitting in a line on the
couches and arm chairs and just eating and watching. Surely
food should be enough of an entertainment. How entertained do

(02:40):
we need to be in life that a delicious meal
in front of us isn't not enough. We also need
some punishing Netflix series on.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
At the same time, beautifully said, that's going to be
a great discussion after three o'clock and after two o'clock
are we a nation of complainers? A bunch of stories
we've got in front of us right now says that
we probably are a bunch of complainers.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean this one that the main one that's shocking
me to my very core is this one that the
New Zealand Defense Force takes Sun District Council to court
seeking complaints bean near a rifle range because they want
to get an advance that you can't complain when you
move into a property near the rifle range. They're building

(03:22):
their properties, so they want to have a blanket. You
can't complain because we know what happens. People move into
the area and they complain. They never noticed that there's
an entire stadium there, they never noticed that there was
a motocross being there, and they never noticed that there
was a rifle range there when they moved in. It's
been there since nineteen nineteen forties.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
So unreal, unreal, And it's on the back, of course
of Wanaca and not want a care the McDonald's down
on Wantaca given the Kai bosh, and also the solar
farm that has been put on hold because a bunch
of residents in Nasby, lovely place, Nasby, but they don't
like solar farms, so they say no. So that is

(04:01):
after two o'clock. Because right now, let's have a chat
about our inclusion in the war in u Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So on, yeah, on the Hosking breakfast this morning, you
might have heard this from Christopher Luxen. Okay, all right,
we might come back to that. We're gonna we're gonna
play some audio here we go.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Would you put peacekeepers on the ground in Ukraine?

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Look, I mean I think we've got a long way
to go. I mean we're yeah, no, I get it,
but I mean from our point of view, we're very
supportive of Ukraine. We are actually in lockstep with the Brits.
Actually we we with them training Ukrainian soldiers in the UK.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Why I ask the question, because that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
We'd be open to that, would be open to it.
We've got a number of peacekeeping missions around the world.
But for us, we stand with the Ukraine. It's important,
you know, we have these values about nation states, sovereignty,
you know, rule of law. We've seen a big power
just use its power and coming over the top of
a small country. And most importantly we need Ukraine Russia there. Well,
we're talking about in general across the geopolitical landscape at

(05:06):
the moment, you know, the rules basis and as we say,
is breaking down when you've got big countries that are
acting out of power, not out of on the basis
of rules. And for small countries like New Zealand, we
care deeply about that stuff because those are you know,
from the grace of God, that could be us. So
actually that's why we have real affinity with Ukraine. But
you know, we'd be open to that.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So one hundred and eighty ten eighty, How do you
feel about boots on the ground in the Ukraine. This
seems like quite an escalation for me. Yeah, it seems
like it's jumped up quite quickly. So he's saying we'd
be open to sending peacekeepers into Ukraine, says it's got
a long way to go. But he also said Christopher
lux and we're usually in lockstep with the Brits. So

(05:44):
that is interesting, isn't it. So we're in lockstep with
the Brits and America has a different approach to the
Ukraine than the Brits, it would seem right now, and
you know, America is our second biggest trading partner partner.
The Brits are getting up there, like since Brexit, they've
opened up Europe. Europe hates us, they don't want anything
to do with our products. So it's an interesting idea

(06:07):
who we now follow in terms of foreign policy. Yeah, well,
you're in lockstep with the Brits.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
So a heck of a turn of phrase, and probably
an unhelpful turn of phrase, lockstep with the Brits.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
But it probably sounds a little bit more full on
than he intended, Lute, it sounds like marching in with
the Pritz into the Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
But when it comes to this particular conflict, and it
is complex and it is messy, why do we need
to be part of it at all? And just running
through what we've contributed so far in terms of funding
and equipment, eighteen million dollars to contribute to weapons and
ammunition procurement for Ukraine, thirteen million dollars to the NATO
Trust Fund for Ukraine, which provides medical rehabilitation, fuel, military rations,

(06:48):
communications and military first aid. And four point one million
to support commercial satellite imagery access for the Ukrainian Defense Intelligence.
So that's already a heck of a lot of money
being contributed to this particular conflict. But having boots on
the ground, more peacekeepers within Ukraine, do we really want
to get involved in this?

Speaker 8 (07:08):
Well?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
We do. We have been involved in terms of transporting
Ukrainian troops in our hercules over you know, out of
Finland and such. So, but yeah, I know, for me,
it feels like a big escalation to even be talking
about boots on the ground. Yeah, oh eight one hundred
and eight. It surprised me. Oh e one hundred and
eighteen eighty. How do you feel about this? And how

(07:31):
do you feel about our involvement in the Ukraine? And
who do you think we should be? In lockstep with
the Americans or the Brits.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yep, let's get into it. It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
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Speaker 9 (07:52):
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Speaker 4 (07:54):
Very good afternoon, June sixteen past one. Our Prime Minister
Christopher Luxen is open to the idea of sending peacekeepers
into the Ukraine. Good idea or not? I e One
hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call. Some
great texts coming through on nine two ninety two. Gents, again,
always lively, always a mode of interesting. How it took

(08:14):
the US three years to get involved in saving Europe
during World War Two, but they're happy to be there
in the beginning to destroy Europe for World War three, potentially,
As the New Zealand one evid says, the world is stuffed.
Let's all party more. Yeah, fair enough, dear text, if
you didn't say anything about should we get involved?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, well, Jason, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on
New Zealand peacekeepers entering Ukraine.

Speaker 10 (08:43):
Oh yeah, how's it going? I think it's probably the
stupidest idea I've heard this year so far, probably last
year as well. You know, Ukraine had a really good
opportunity to end with war in twenty twenty two when
they get there and they had their agreement all signed
up and we was Johnson churned up and canceled it,
you know. And then since there they've lost in a

(09:04):
half a million guys, and it's just, you know, this
is just a crazy escalation. There doesn't need to be
any peacekeeping on the ground at All they have to
do is put the hands up and say, okay, we
don't want to fight anymore, and it's all over. That's simple, right.
And they shouldn't, you know, and they didn't want to
have a war, then they shouldn't have gone to war
with all the Russian speaking people in est in Ukraine

(09:25):
for the last eight years. And they shouldn't have tried
to join NATO because Ukraine will never be part of NATO,
just like you're not allowed to have nuclear weapons and
or missiles and Cuba. Ukraine's not allowed to be part
of NATO, and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks
about it. That's Russia's line, and that's how it's going
to be. And they've got such sounds of nuclear weapons
that they can land anywhere in the world, and that's

(09:47):
just how it is. And so putting peacekeepers on the
ground is just another mass of escalation, will just increase
the chance of a tactical new getting used on the battlefield.
And the whole thing is such a brainless idea everybody
involved and it should be arrested, put in jail even
talking about it.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
And since you talk about the NATO membership, but uk
Prime Minister kiostarma As was talking to l Zelensky and
he said the country is on an irreversible path to membership.
How does that pan out if if.

Speaker 10 (10:16):
They're not on an irreversible path to membership, Because Ukraine
will be ten thousand degrees before it's a member of NATO.
That's fairly clearly obvious. The entire Russian elite class will
not allow. It's not just pertinent. All of Russia will
not allow NATO, the largest military alliance in the history
of the world to be on their doorstep. It's not

(10:37):
going to happen. He's been completely clear about that. Nothing's changed.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Just going to be to your first point, back that up.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, just to your first point, Jason, that it's a
crazy idea for us to send peace keeping troops into Ukraine,
the fact that we're not part of NATO, that this
is a complicated conflict, very different to other conflicts we've
sent peacekeepers into. You think we should have no part
of this.

Speaker 10 (11:00):
Nobody, no one should have any part of a kastam
of the moro On. Obviously, I highly doubt there will
be English peacekeepers on the ground in the Ukraine. It's
far too dangerous. They don't have the horsepower to do it,
they don't have the soldiers to do it, they don't
have the air cover to do it. Russia the air
defense is an integrated air defense. It is the best
in the world. No one's going to be flying yets

(11:21):
around Ukraine and you can't port peacekeepers on the ground
without air cover. It's just it's like, it's the whole
thing is just moronically stupid. They just need to put
their hands up, stop fighting and wear it on the chin.
That they just lost twenty five percent of the country. Well,
you know, they shouldn't have gone to war if they
didn't want to lose us.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, wouldn't people wouldn't people say that they went to
war because they were invaded.

Speaker 10 (11:45):
No, they went to war because NATO wanted to wanted them.
I mean, what's the name Kamala Harris turned out there
and said Ukraine's going to be part of NATO. Three
weeks later they were being in You know, Cruden's been
saying with since two thousand and nine, never ever going
to happen. It's never going to happen. Just like you're
not going to have missiles in Cuba, Ukraine's not going

(12:05):
to be part of NATO. And the American there are
just a bunch of warmongers who have started and financed
and run this whole thing, and it's it's just stupid
and it has to end.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Now.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
You speak about the American being warmongers, but what do
you think about Trump?

Speaker 10 (12:20):
And that's the only guy that's not a warmonger, isn't
He hates war and he wants to stop it. So
hopefully he can pull that off and make this whole
thing stop. You know, I mean only a little while
ago you had the insane situation of American missiles being
shot into Russia. Yeah, that to me is the dumbest

(12:45):
thing that ever happened since World War Two.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
But do you think that Ukraine will will will step
back because Ukraine has always insisted any peace deal must
include full withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine back about
twenty fourteen borders, Well, I.

Speaker 10 (12:59):
Mean nothing to do with us. I mean, well, they do.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Have something to do with it, and that they have
to stop fighting. Well, they have everything to do with it,
but they have to have they obviously have something to
do with it. If they have to stop fighting.

Speaker 10 (13:16):
Well, they've been emboldened by the Americans to fight because
they've got a whole lot of American money and bombs,
right and bullets. Then is the money? Is the bullets
and the money and the bomb stop. That's the end
of Ukraine. They've they've got nothing, They don't have the
ability to carry on fighting. Yeah, anything up to do
with them, it's completely up to America, who's supplying all
the horsepower to do that. Centers America goes and we're stopping.

(13:39):
That's the end of the war.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, and you don't think Europe will get together and
the other NATO.

Speaker 10 (13:43):
Members Europe, Europe can't even they can't even organize themselves.
They're a basket case. They don't have the horsepower to
do they do. They've only got the horsepower to do
it with boots on the ground, and that's going to
end up in World War three.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
So you don't think, you don't think, what do you think?
Why do you think Kirstarma is saying that that they
put boots on the ground if they if they're not,
and they can see that America is not going to
support that.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
That that kind of psychologically deranged. But you know it's
all very ill. Doesn't send his son and if you're
still listening, Chris Luxe, and you're going to go and
end your son because when they come home with a
bullet and the test, it's not so funny a dangerous.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
You know, it's any school.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Jason, were you surprised you seem to be across across
this and a lot of thinking about it. Were you
surprised this morning when Christopher Luxen said that suggested that I.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
Didn't hear it, but I only heard it just now
on the radio. But yeah, absolutely. I'm surprised New Zealand
does not need to be going to war with Russia.
That's for damn sure. Seems like a great ideas that
they fired just proved to the whole world that they
can take out any target anywhere in eight minutes, and
that thing as a savage weapon.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Jason, do you think that we as a country should
be more in line with American foreign foreign policy or
European foreign policy or as Crystal Luxeon said, in Lockstep
with the Brits.

Speaker 10 (15:15):
Did you know what happened when the guy that made
the machine gun, he invented the machine gun, right, and
he was showing one of his mates, and one of
his mates said, take that thing over to Europe. He
didn't give them a way to kill each other more efficiently,
they'll buy it and drove Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, well that was that was about. That was Belgium.
There was Belgium.

Speaker 10 (15:33):
We want to have Why would we want to have
anything to do with the European foreign policy when they
are just so good it's laughtering each other.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Thanks for your calling, Jane, that's why you know, I mean,
that's part of the reason why NATO was formed was
after the war to stop the imperial endless wars that
happened in Europe.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Absolutely, and I think we've got obligations to our international
partners and ollies. But where the peacekeepers on the ground
in this particular conflict as part of those obligations. Love
to hear your thoughts. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
We'll be back in a minute with Daryl who disagrees
and Thiland says that we should be in lockstep with
Britain News Talks edb.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
It is twenty six past one and we're having a
great discussion about our involvement in Ukraine or not should
we be having peacekeepers on the ground in Ukraine as
has been suggested as potential by our Prime Minister Christopher Luxen.
But before we get to that.

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Speaker 4 (18:11):
Good afternoon, Right back to our top of Christopher lux
and our prime minister has suggested or he's open to
sending peacekeepers into Ukraine, but it still feels they had
a long way to go. Is that a wise statement
to make in the current climate.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, and the Britts have said that there are open
to boots on the ground. And as Luckson said this morning,
Christopher Luxen our prime minister, we are usually in lockstep
with the Brits. Darryl, welcome to the show. You think
we should be in lockstep with the Brits.

Speaker 12 (18:42):
Yeah, there's a broad brush strike. I say yes, But Trista,
I have to say that peacekeeping is an entirely different
role to what Arma's really talking about, which is actually
fighting a war, So we're not really going to be
looking at the same thing. So don't lump them in together,
which is what I feel that you guys are doing.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, we're only doing that because Luxon said, we're usually
in lockstep with the Brits. If the Brits are saying, we.

Speaker 12 (19:07):
Would be going to war. So let's separate the two
of those things.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
What do you think lockstep? What do you think lockstep.

Speaker 12 (19:13):
Means that to a certain extent, I would say yes
and no. The key here is that you have idiots
like the guy you just had on who don't actually
understand what's going on. He thinks he knows. But you
have an independent nation. This is a country that was

(19:37):
given its independence. That independence has been recognized since nineteen
ninety one by Russia, who has then turned around and said, well,
we don't think you need independence anymore. We're going to
invade you and fight a war with you. And he
says that we should just sit back and let them
do it, that that Ukraine should.

Speaker 13 (19:57):
Be raising their arms, in other words, waving a white flag. Well,
that's the.

Speaker 12 (20:01):
End of the entire world. If you let Russia do
that to one end up in the same situation that
we did with the invasion of Poland. You know, you
let them get away with it, and it just keeps escalating.
They are not going to stop unless they get stopped.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
So you think you think that Russia has aspirations to
invade more countries rather than Ukraine.

Speaker 12 (20:29):
Why would they not if they get away with it once.
I mean, the guy who's running the country is a
complete ent case. He's shown himself to want to have
back the old Soviet Union and this is a part
step along that path. They basically want what they had,

(20:50):
even though it was a fabled experiment. They are genuinely
wanting to be the leaders of the world, and our
wonderful little Orange man in the US quite happily help
them do it unless and this is the big thing
that I find very, very disturbing, he will support and

(21:12):
defend Ukraine as long as there is something in it
from a financial perspective. For the USA, they have already
tried to say, we will take over half of your minerals,
then will help you fight the war. So I won't
do it because what's going.

Speaker 14 (21:31):
On is wrong.

Speaker 12 (21:32):
But if we get a whole lot of mineral out
of it.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Will help you.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
But why Because American taxpayers are asking why are we
pumping so much money into the Ukraine, which, as far
as they're concerned, is a war that's very far away
from them, when they have a lot of financial problems
at home. They are trillions and trillions and trillions of
dollars and debt. So can you see from an American
taxpayer's point of view that they might want to not

(21:57):
just pump endless money into what could be seen as
a proxy war between the West and Russia.

Speaker 12 (22:03):
If you actually look at it from the point of
view of the average Americans in the street, it's very
easy understand why it is they might not want to
do that. But that's taking on board that for the
last eighteen years you've had this really strong isolationist policies
coming from Trump, saying that we should be at our
own little box and forget about the rest of the world.

(22:24):
Make a narrator great again. But the reality is that
what's going on is actually detrimental to what is in
the entire free world, not just Ukraine. It actually has
large reaching impact on the entire rest.

Speaker 10 (22:41):
Of the planet.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do you think, Darrel, there's something along? Do you think
there's something in what Trump has been saying around certain
NATO members not contributing two percent of their GDP as
is promised in NATO agreements. Can you see why America
might find that well disappointing.

Speaker 12 (23:02):
Absolutely, But that doesn't mean, as Trump is suggesting that
you should just pull out NATO again, you need to
be encouraging those countries that are falling short and actually
to make up the difference, because the more we actually
end up in a position of not having the ability

(23:26):
to be able to defend ourselves as a group, the
more chance that you have of countries like Russia, like China,
North Korea can fit into the same equation and of
actually wanting to overstep the mark and creating bigger and
bigger problems. We're on a precipice where as a Western society,

(23:46):
we're going to end up collapsing under pressure from the
East because we actually basically don't care.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, although the Americans and Trump will say that they
see that their strategic problem as China less and more
so than Russia, so they want to move away.

Speaker 12 (24:05):
The US's decisions are only about money. They don't care
about the people that don't care about anything else. They
would give all of Ukraine to Russia if they got
all of the mineral rights to Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's how you don't think, so that that may may
or not be may or may or may not be true.
But when you look at the members of NATO, you've
got Germany, You've got France, you've got Hungary, you've got Poland,
You've got some very big countries in their United Kingdoms
with some big armies. You've got Canada in there, you
know Germany. As I said before, you don't think that

(24:40):
those countries can't step up and sort out their own
European problem without the United States.

Speaker 12 (24:50):
I believe that they can. In fact, I believe that
they will. If they're not given the support by the
largest Western nation, they will actually stand up.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, well, I thank you so much for your thoughts, Daryl.
We've just got to go to a break, but very
interesting stuff and great chat, and thanks for ringing. We
got the headlines coming up.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But I think there was pretty adamant that we do
need to be a part of it, even if it
is peacekeepers on the ground. And granted that is very
different to what the UK was looking at, but that
is still a step up. Right to this point, we
have been funding elements that are kind of on the periphery.
Having peacekeepers on the ground in Ukraine would be different,
but we'll take some more of your calls very shortly.
It is twenty five to two.

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(25:59):
Cook Islands hasn't given New Zealand details of its agreement
with China, but our Prime Minister says he expects to
see more shortly. Chris Luckson says we need to see
and review the documents. Our Foreign Affairs minister has spoken
with his Ukraine counterpart as EU.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Leaders meet to discuss the war with Russia.

Speaker 15 (26:18):
Winston Peter says they discussed efforts to achieve lasting peace
and Ukraine's need for ongoing support. The Education Minister says
her working relationship with Associate Minister David Seymour is excellent,
despite saying he overstepped into her role by weighing a
non teacher only days police appraising road workers who stopped

(26:39):
a woman allegedly more than three times over the alcohol
limit and driving with a baby on board in the
Bay of Plenty. Michael Burgess on the simple change needed
to fix the Hellberg Awards. You can read the full
column at enzid Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan
Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Thank you very much, Rayleen.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm just just packing a disgusting thing off my head.
Sorry Tyler, No, no, that's right.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Well you did discuss this on the show yesterday, So
let's bring the audience and you've got something that has
been examined.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Why the doctors is all okay at the stage, I've
got to go to the Dermatologist's got my meeting to
find out whether it's a sort of a malignant thing
or whatever. I'm sure to be fine. Yeah, I can't
help picking it off and said, my head keeps bleeding.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
So is that why you keep changing hats each day?
That you've got to wash your hair each day?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'm a discussing him being and look, I would have
gone away with it if I hadn't set it over
the microphone. No one would have known this as an
audio media.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
We're an open book here on this show.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I've out of myself as a disgusting scab.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Picking right back to the topic we're having, which is
a fairly serious one if we've been honest. Is Christopher
Luxxon's comments this morning to my cost scheme that he
is open to having New Zealand peacekeeping troops on the
ground in Ukraine. Is that a wise idea or not? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call
simon your thoughts on that.

Speaker 16 (27:53):
Yes, Well, I've got to tell you, I'm actually quite
disappointed if you haven't, don't your research and really understood
the subject before you started down this part.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I think I haven't, because.

Speaker 16 (28:04):
No, no, you're not even close. The fact is that
peacekeeping is has absolutely nothing to do with fighting or with.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Well the deployment of forces to help resolved controlled conflict.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
No, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's that's correctly what it is.

Speaker 16 (28:20):
It's not the result of the conflict. It's to maintain
peace between the parties that are involved. A peacekeeper only
goes into a country after the treaty has been fined
and after the fighting is finished.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, that's the definit what I'm giving you there is
the un definition of what a peacekeeper is.

Speaker 16 (28:38):
That's the only entity in the world that manages peacekeeping forces.
Any anyone else is really just the mercenary. But in
the case of peacekeeping forces, the forces are designed to
keep the parties apart and basically maintain the status quo
that's been defined by the treaty. So there's no pointing

(28:59):
guns at people, there's no shooting at anyone, there's no
air support like that ignorant call.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, peacekeeping forces famously do carry weapons.

Speaker 16 (29:10):
Yes they don't, they don't use them, But why do
they have them if anyone.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, well, they're not a force if they don't ever
use force. So even if you even if you're not
using your weapons, the fact that you have weapons and
you're deployed there that that is and it's and it's
just by the fact that you have the ability to
use force means that you're imposing your will on people

(29:36):
that may not want their will. You there your will
imposed on them, and that that's basically what it is.

Speaker 16 (29:41):
Why that's that's why I'm disappointed that you guys don't
understand the concept, because well.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
You don't seem to you don't seem to understand the concept. Simon.

Speaker 16 (29:50):
So I've been into countries of conflict and actually, you know,
been through the process of traveling across borders between water.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
We've had peacekeepers killed in conflict zones before Simon, we
had four k peacekeepers killed. So if that happens in
the Ukraine, where where where does that put us as
a come.

Speaker 16 (30:09):
Yeah, No, you don't understand. You see, you're only there
by the invitation of the countries that have been finding.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
But Simon, what you're not understanding is that Russia may
not be very happy with your peacekeeping forces. Just because
NATO says their peacekeeping forces and Ukraine accepts them as
peacekeeping forces, then Russia it doesn't necessarily see them as
peacekeeping forces. They see them as an aggressive move.

Speaker 16 (30:35):
They won't be there then, because peacekeepers only go in
by the invitation of the parties who are signatary to
the treaty, and it means the fighting has finished and
they agree that there needs to be a peacekeeper there
is keep the parties separated. They usually have a demilitarized zone,
usually several combitters wide. Pacekeepers don't have heavy artillery, they

(30:55):
don't have air cover. They generally have side arms for
their own protection because in a lot of these countries,
such as Indonesia or in Afghanistan or Central American countries
or others, the fighting that's occurred is often by private
militias or guerrilla groups. So it's not always what the

(31:17):
government can agree to a treaty and stop fighting. The
other people on the ground, you know, may have different views,
and that's why they need peacekeepers to be able to
protect themselves. But they're not ever in a role where
they're going to shoot back at the Russians.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
So why would they be armed if they're not going
to shoot at.

Speaker 16 (31:37):
People because they're military and they protect themselves their own person.
If somebody is so, who are they so?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Who are they? Who are they suppressing? When they're peacekeeping?
Who needs to who needs what? Where do they need
to be there? Who are they stopping by peacekeeping?

Speaker 16 (31:56):
They're stopping the two warring parties that have signed a treaty.
They're stopping them from re engaging and creative.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And you think that that's a good thing for New
Zealand to be involved in. In the Ukraine, between Russia.

Speaker 16 (32:08):
And I said, I never said either way, But what
I am saying is is that it won't happen. What
you've all, you know, misunderstood what Luxon is saying, and
it's got only to do well Kirs Starmer's current situation
where he wants to potentially fight this is after all
the fighting is over, after the treaty is assigned. New
Zealand is renowned as a very successful peacekeeping force.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
But what we said, what we said at the start
this thing, and it's possible that Christopher Luxon misspoke, but
he said, we're usually in lockstep with the Brits. So
then if you're looking at what Kirs Starmer is saying,
he's what he's saying is that he's he's willing to
put troops on the ground and they're not even in peacekeeping.

Speaker 16 (32:49):
Uh, you know, so exactly, And that's not what Luson said.
Luxton said, we would go in in the peacekeeping role,
and that means that this is long after all the
fighting has finished. So that's why you really need to
understand the context of what post peacekeeping is and how
it's administered.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
And I think we all understand what peacekeepers.

Speaker 16 (33:12):
All peace keepers, Yeah, don't don't go in with artillery guns. Aircraft,
any of that. Basically a regiment of infantry who are
prepared to stand there and basically search vehicles, conduct the
role of a police force that keeps the parties apart
and make sure that.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
But you've got to I met, Simon, that's an armed
police force from another country. So it is, it's not peacekeeping.
Peacekeeping is a very nice way of putting what's going
on there.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
It's putting our troops and harm's way. That is that
is undeniable. Yes, it is. There were four peace keepers.

Speaker 16 (33:50):
You don't you don't join the army if you're not
prepared to fight or to shoot guns or to be
shot at other you know, they don't join the army.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
But we're drifting away from that argument here, Simon, because
if you put our troops and harm what Harm's way,
then that is a big decision for us as a
country to make, and in a conflict that is complex
and messy, and even if it, as you say, gets
to a situation where there is a piece of cord
and our troops are sent there, they are still being
sent into harm's way.

Speaker 16 (34:22):
No, I don't agree at all with that that any
military operation any sort in you in the world has
has harm attached to it, potentially. Yeah, But the point
is in this case, you're you're there by the invitation
of the parties that were involved in the war. So
if they haven't asked you into their country, you're not
going to be there there.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Thank you so much for you for your call, Simon.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Yeah, good discussion and enjoying this. Thank you very much, Simon.
We're worldly late. It is thirteen minutes to do PEG
very shortly.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
matt and Taylor afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety, attention
to detail and a commitment to comfort news talks.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
They'd be good afternoon. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Nine to nine two
is the text number world. Good afternoon, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (35:11):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (35:12):
Look green.

Speaker 18 (35:13):
Following the Russia Ukraine War very closely on a daily
basis and listening to a lot of different commentary from
both right wing you know commentary Tucker Carlson through to
John Meersheimer through to Timothy Snyder from Yale and all
everything in between, and Russia invaded. Putin has been saying
since two thousand and seven that he believes that Ukraine

(35:36):
is not a country, it's not a sovereign nation, and that.

Speaker 12 (35:39):
It shouldn't have a right to exist.

Speaker 18 (35:40):
And you know, invaded Primere and John bars in twenty fourteen.
For the last eleven years, you know, they've been at war,
but that was escalated in February, you know, three years ago,
February twenty twenty two. And he's it is it really
is a genocide. They are looking to destroy Ukrainian language,
destroyer Ukrainian history, culture, all the rest of rewrite history,

(36:02):
and Russify everybody.

Speaker 12 (36:04):
It's what they do.

Speaker 18 (36:05):
They didn't get to be the biggest land mass in
the world, biggest country in the world by just being
nice guys. They move into the little countries all around them.
They're a land empire, and Russia wants he doesn't want
to recreate the Soviet Empire. He wants to recreate the
Tsarist Russian Empire. And he wants to be he is
the czar, he's the dictator, and he moved into Ukraine.

(36:28):
Now Ukraine after World War One, became a country in
twenty twenty, sorry in nineteen twenty, but in twenty twenty
two it was taken over by the Soviets, but they
still maintained it as Ukraine, and Ukraine was by nineteen
forty five it was actually an independent country in UN.
It's been recognized as forty five by the UN and

(36:50):
then of course ratified by Russia and all the major
powers in nineteen ninety one. And they even had the
agreement in ninety four to get rid of their nuks
for protection and Russia signed that along with the Brits
and the French, and I think the Chinese and the
US signed that agreement. All that was, that's in the toilet.
So the first caller that you had was a load

(37:13):
of crap. He's repeating Russian talking points and Donald Trump,
Hey ya.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Hey, welcome you. We've got to go away and come
back in a second. So can you just hold the
line there and we'll keep talking to you when we
come back.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Matties Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Madden Tyler Afternoon with the Volvo XC
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Speaker 9 (37:39):
News dogs'd be.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Okay, well, sorry about that. We had to cut you
off in the middle of what you were saying, but
we're back now.

Speaker 12 (37:48):
Well that's all right.

Speaker 18 (37:48):
Look, the point I want to make is that Russia
invaded Ukraine, a sovereign nation, a fledgling democracy that is
trying to get out of the yoke of living under
the Soviet Union for seventy years.

Speaker 12 (38:01):
Just like all of the.

Speaker 18 (38:01):
Other Baltic states, Poland, they all were oppressed by Russia.
They had their intelligent he moved off to the Gulag
and killed whole families were killed by the Russians or
the Soviets, and all those Baltic nations ran as quickly
as they could to join the EU for prosperity and

(38:22):
NATO for security, because that, you know, because of their
fear and the history of Russian oppression. Ukraine's no different.
But Ukraine's very powerful. It's a large country, large population,
and a strong military. They have bled for three years,
longer than that eleven years, but more recently at a
full scale war, they have bled fighting. Now the West

(38:43):
has provided weapons in the United States had but the U,
the EU, who's provided sixty percent of both military and
humanitarian aid, the United States about forty percent. This idea
that America has paid the the you know the Lions
shares as a load of rubbish. Look, sure, there's a
lot of NATO nations that were not up to the

(39:05):
two percent. Now there's about twenty three countries and and
that are two percent, and there's quite a few that
are at the three and four and moving to five percent. Certainly,
the Baltic States are punching above their weight in terms
of support for Ukraine. Now in New Zealand's out of NATO,
but we're an associate of NATO and we have been
training in the UK alongside British soldiers and Ukrainians boats

(39:29):
and like people said, you know with the Hercules going
in from Finland what have you. So we've been supportive
of the Ukrainians.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well once again, well without you quickly go.

Speaker 18 (39:41):
Just one point Yep, you were quite right about the
risks for peacekeepers.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I think we're gonna have to come back.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
We're come users coming.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
Up talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety News Talks.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Be good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Seven past two,
and we've been discussing the Prime Minister's comments on the
Mi Cosking brief for shows.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, that's promised Chris relux and says he's open to
following the United Kingdom's footsteps by sending peacekeepers over to
the Ukraine. Luxon told news Talk ZB Mike Costing our
very own most Cosking that he'd be open to sending
peacekeepers into the Ukraine, but feel they will that's a
long way away. He also said that we are usually

(40:28):
in lockstep with the Brits, which I think this is
interesting that we're still in lockstep with the Brits. We
were talking before, had a quite a heated discussion with
a guy called Simon about what peacekeepers were. I think
we all know what peacekeepers were. We're kind of talking
over each other and across each other this text are
Nigel On nine two nine two says, you guys are
completely right. As a recently retired soldier of thirty years,

(40:50):
if Enzi def personnel were deployed, they would certainly carry weapons.
I would go so far as to say they would
deploy similar something similar to what happened with the Bosnian conflict,
but now with the introduction of the Bushmaster vehicle ideally
suited for this type of work. Thanks for text Nigel,
thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Now before we hit the news, Will was with us. Now,
well we've got you back.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
We've got to say, well, sorry, we had poor time
management in that hour. So what happens is all right,
what happens well is that ads back up and then
if we keep talking, we let callers go too long
except for and the ads back up and we had
to rudely cut you off all the time. So we'll
let you continue now. Well, thank you so much, Oh.

Speaker 16 (41:30):
Thank you. Look, I just want to make a couple
of points.

Speaker 18 (41:35):
The issue about peacekeepers is that it is escalatory, but
it's actually in lockstep with Britain in the sense that
we have been providing the kind of as I said,
the training for Ukraine, and it's a necessary step, it
is justified, but it is risky and it is dangerous
and it's different to any other peacekeeping that's happened on

(41:55):
the planet Earth since World War Two, because this is
a war against Russia. It's a nuclear power, reputedly the
second most powerful army in the world quote unquote cough.
The Ukrainians have kept them at bay. They've only made
sixty k in the last year in Ukraine. It would

(42:15):
take them two hundred years to get to Kiev at
that at that rate. So the Ukrainians are holding them
back with Western weapons, and a lot of that's coming
from Europe. And it's not just the UK that we
need to be in lock stepworth, we need to be
in lockstep with the Europe. Donald Trump said he's going
to have the Pentagon's budget, which means half the Americans

(42:36):
military from two a trillion a year to five hundred billion,
and that they're going to pull out of NATO, and
that the Europeans can no longer rely after seventy years,
they can no longer eighty years, They can no longer
rely on America, or the world can no longer rely
on America. It's actually not America. It's Trump. It's Trump.

(42:57):
There's been an executive coup in America. He's taken over
all the administration. He's going to go into the Pentagon
if they'll let him.

Speaker 14 (43:05):
I really hopefully let's.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Bring executive of coup or an election win Well, hello, yep,
would you would you call it an executive coup or
would you call it an election win coup?

Speaker 18 (43:19):
It's unconstitutional and unlawful behavior. Absolutely damn straight. That's what
he's doing. He's seized funds, he's putting an Elon Musk
and his Musk rats in there to actually, you know,
basically fire people he fired the nuclear you know, the
people that look after the nukele. They had to put
twenty eight of them back on.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Aren't they as would you know the counter argument to
that as he's got Musk doing an audit of a
country that is heavily in debt and as running a
reason about a waste and potentially quite a lot of fraud.

Speaker 18 (43:53):
Well that look, that is the subterfuge that is being
given in the mainstream media. Everyone's listening. That's exactly what
you're listening to. That's not what is happening. Basically, you've
got But we're moving back to the writers might and
Donald Trump is going to replace the generals with his

(44:18):
loyalist generals, and then is he going to take over Greenland,
Canada whatever?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I think it's likely that he's going to take over Canada.
But you know that's just as we're kind of getting
off the off the topic here so well, basically what
you're saying is that you would support New Zealand sending
peace peacekeepers into the Ukraine, and.

Speaker 18 (44:40):
I think we should increase our defense budget to two
percent as a minimum, because I think, look, Americ, we
can't rely on America. Is Trump's America is no longer reliable.
They proved that over the weekend at the Munich European
Security Conference, which I listened to greatly, and Vounce talked

(45:00):
scolding the Europeans for being undemocratic, it's ridiculous, and then
cuddling up to the AfD, which is a neo Nazi
party they are in Musk with his Zighaile.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Come on, come on, you can't you can't seriously, well,
you can't think that. That's what that was. That was
a total media beat up. Hey, but thank you so much.
I think we've we've got your point across there. Well
appreciate it. We've got a lot of texts coming through
with people that disagree with you. This text here says
your caller doesn't know Ukraine very well. Twenty fourteen, Zelenski

(45:32):
sent in the Tornado Brigades and then the as of Brigrades.
The purpose was for Eastern Russian speaking Ukraine's from speaking Russia.
They did some terrible things approximately for you day you
go on, but there's there's there's a lot of disagreement
on us. This is very controversial. I think people are
living in totally different bubbles now, So what Well sees

(45:55):
and believes is very different from what other people see
and believe. Yeah, completely different worlds.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Were two sides of extreme, isn't it. Oh we had
one hundred and eighty ten eighty and we have gone
a little bit off topic. But do you think back
on topic on the back of their Prime minister's comments
that he'd be open to sending peacekeepers, is this a
conflict we want to be a part of peacekeepers or
do we want to increase funding to be on the
periphery even more? Love to hear from you, nineteen nineties.

(46:22):
The text number thirty bus.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
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Speaker 4 (46:35):
EDB, News Talks EDB. It is sixteen past two and
having a great discussion.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
We certainly are. It's getting pretty heated in the text machine,
pretty heated on our eight hundred and eighteen eighty, But
we love that. Christopher Luxon said this morning on the
mic cost Can Breakfast show that he'd be open to
sending peacekeepers into the Ukraine, but feels still a long
way to go and he believes we're usually in lockstep
with the Brits. And kirst Armer has said that he'd
be open to peacekeepers in the Ukraine as well. Someone's

(47:06):
this text here on nineteen nine two. Listening to all
these ranting men reminds me we need some more ladies
at the top. Well, yeah, great to hear from some ladies. Yeah,
eight hundred and eighty ten at it does seem that
men are more keen to talk about war than what.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Yeah, we love talking about talking about it. This is
good t X Kay, guys, I believe that providing there
is a robust you in Mandate agreed and implemented that
we should be open to building boots on the ground,
just as we did in Teymoor and Angola and to
a lesser extent Afghanistan, as we are still doing in
South Sudan. And I'm sure there were one or two others.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
This Texas says Hi absolutely not. New Zealand needs to
stay away from this EU conflicts Marcus, welcome to the show.
Your thoughts on this.

Speaker 13 (47:52):
Yeah, Hi, it's so all very controversial. I'll time to
keep away from sort of leaders and that, but just
a clarification two types of view in peace mission Chapter
six peace cuping, some of your callers, of some of
the striker you've got arms enup for your self defense
and the defensive people immediately around you. Chapter seven Peace Enforcement.

(48:16):
I've been on chapter seven missions where we've had artillery,
gunships all the rest.

Speaker 12 (48:21):
For just to.

Speaker 13 (48:21):
Clarify that my opinion on a deployment, I think you
go for it's always being a good international citizen. It
comes back to us in other ways. The only point
i'd makers Luxan's probably talking about lockstep will be Principal's
traditionally Bosnia and I've got a fun we wire under

(48:42):
British regiments. I'd suggest perhaps we team up will be Australians,
have an Australian commander of British New Zealand setting in
command perhaps and do it that way. I'm not very
fond of being led by the Fritz Hower, but Kookie,
I'd rather where it will be these and the only
reason we're having this conversation guys at the moment after

(49:03):
three years of war is because people can actually foresee
the possibility of a cease fire and eventually a piece
over there. I'm not saying Trump's responsible for it, but
certainly this is as close as we have come so
far since the beginning of that war. And that's why
we're having these discussions now.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Marcus, you said, did you say that you've been deployed
in this kind of situation before?

Speaker 13 (49:29):
Yeah, I did two deployments from New Zealand Army and
I was an international staff in the UN on peacekeeping
operations for fifteen years. So I've worked everywhere except Afghanistan
and Iraq.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Fascinating and in those deployments and so these were peacekeeping
deployments with a Marcus.

Speaker 13 (49:47):
Nearly all of them here, and I've done chapter six,
chapter seven. My last tour was three years in Mogadishu
in Somalia. Came back home in twenty and sixteen. Everybody's
watched black Hawk down and thought it was over from
them that you AND's been there ever since.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Wow? And were you in harm's way when you were
in any of these these peacekeeping deployments frequently? So there's
there's firefights.

Speaker 19 (50:15):
Yes, Sarah.

Speaker 10 (50:16):
Usually, oh.

Speaker 13 (50:20):
It's wrong time.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
So you carry on, Marcus, we just lost you for
a bit there. So Matt asked about firefights.

Speaker 13 (50:28):
It's usually a time thing. You're wrong place, wrong time
with a peacekeeping much and that's usually for two sides
having a go at each other. And if you're unfortunate
enough to get caught in the middle of us, then
it's a problem. Where where it became problematic in the
last king answer for you, it actually became a terrorist target.
So for example in Somalia they now have a target

(50:50):
of a terrorist organization, but that wouldn't be the case
of a deployment.

Speaker 19 (50:56):
That we're talking about at the moment.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Yeah, so, Marcus, in some of these situations where New
Zealand peacekeepers' troops have been deployed, they can be very
messy situations, right, You mentioned South Sudan that continue to
this day, and indeed Afghanistan the n ZPRT clearly that
was a situation that was messy and complicated and wasn't

(51:20):
remedied by having peacekeepers there. There was still our troops
who were killed on the ground.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (51:27):
I wasn't an Agenis arm but I did four and
a half years in south saidan northwestern Kenya Rumbak Tuba Locatchohio.
And yeah, a huge difference was made by having regional
peacekeeping sort of set up there and later on the UN.
I was there before the peace agreement, there during the

(51:47):
peace agreement, and then I was when the UN came in,
and the difference half of the UN was there was horrendous.
It was very very positive. So you know, that's a
good example of peace enforcement. There was a very strong
agreement and some of your callers that have talked about this,
there's a status of forces agreement. Ellen would have a

(52:08):
set of supporters agreement at all the parties to the
agreement will basically sign off New Zealand being there. So
once there's a peace deal, it's all kosher, it's all good.
And you know, we're not talking about deployment until such
a time. But certainly somewhere like Sadana is a classic
access sort of area where it's all about getting in
humanitarian aid. There's tinker versus luiir. There's no terrorist element

(52:33):
as such, and you know, in terms of firepower, it's
not a Bosnia, it's not a Ukraine or Chech there,
so it's pretty low key. It's a pretty friendly environment
for a humanitarian operators and indeed u.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
N actors now, Marcus, you know, we all work in
really safe environments. I mean, the biggest danger I've got
at work is getting rashed from talking into this sock
on my mic. What's it like to be in a
firefight and actually have your life at risk on the job?

Speaker 19 (53:07):
Rounds always have right way.

Speaker 13 (53:10):
The key is not to do anything stupid if you
can just cut down your risk, and New Zealand soldiers
are very good at doing that. I wish for fifteen
years when I was an international staff in the UN
outside of an army unit from home, that I had
our sort of people around us, because it does make
a difference. But you can, you can be careful through planning,

(53:31):
through mitigation. You can really take the resk down from
a very high risk situation to one that's got moderate rest.
So if you've got the right people doing your risk assessments,
if you're well resourced, it's it's very workable. You can
take down your risk to you know, probably less less
rest than driving in New Zealand for six hours on

(53:53):
a road about to.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
See what I mean, Hey, well, Thank you so much
for your call and your insights. Marcus. I really appreciate that.
Thanks thanks for bringing.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Us absolutely that was great. O one hundred and eighty
teen eighty is the number to call. It's twenty three past.

Speaker 9 (54:05):
Two, matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Call Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on Youth
Talk ZB twenty.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Five to two.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Hello, there a woman here. My simple opinion is that
democracies must support each other and other democracies. Is Ukraine
a democracy? Yes? Yes, yes, as Russia democracy. I'll leave
you to work that out. That's from Barb from Tokara.
I said I wanted a female opinion on this, and
here was one from Barb.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Fantastic and we'd love more. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number. Call Morris, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (54:41):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Very good lads. Interesting topic. Yeah, but I actually think
we should sell well away. They've got peacekeepers and lemon
on you just recently this Rael is called keen of them.
So do we want to put our people there in
what's expensed to us? And people say, oh, we're going
to do it, but no, we did that in World
War one and World War two. We get massive sacrifices.

(55:03):
We don't need to keep doing it because what do
we get back? Nothing from Europe. They've got a very
shor Henry. And my biggest concern is right the Ukraine
stop u Crat was formed in ninety five, and you've
got to go back in history and actually, and I've
listened to some of those guys you've had on here
about blowing the world up and all this Putin and
Russia haven't broken agreements in ninety five when they annexed

(55:27):
all those countries from the Soviet Union, NATO and America
signed a deal that we won't put NATO on your
back door. They signed that, you know how like it
took the breacher six months. Polm was a verse one
and they put you to the weapons here. So you know,
you've got to give the Russians a break. And you
know you hear about it in Russia all those BODI guards,
well they sold all the state assets so certain people

(55:49):
got them. It was no different news out and a
fay rich white do we go on? And so they're
the victim of this Western you know, they are the devil.
They are the devil because We've got to have a devil.
China's the devil. But actually we look at it. If
you look at it, Joe Biden already had to say
to stop this war is that no, Ukraine, you can't

(56:09):
be part of NATO. That's all we had to do.
And they wouldn't have evaded. It was a civil war
between the Russian speaking and the Ukrainian speaking, That's what
it was. And when they said NATO's on the table,
Russia invaded.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Well there you go, thanks, Samksamuris. Do you agree with them?
One hundred and eighty ten eighty No, We're getting really
really this is this is the state of things right now.
The everything is so completely polarized between between the views
on a situation like this. This is an interesting text though.
Hey guys, I'm a veteran of multiple deployments including Afghanistan,

(56:42):
TIMA in the Middle East. The task required to send
a force to Ukraine wouldn't be defined as peacekeeping. It's
a peace enforcement operation between two major players, being NATO
and Russia. It is likely if Russia agreed to a
cease fire, it would be on the condition not to
have NATO members in the truce monitoring Enforcement Group Peutin
would never allow NATO members to operate against their border.

(57:03):
I do agree we need to do our part within
a rules based order, but it's a longboated or if
you think Kibis will deploy to Ukraine, we are too
close to the US and uk Also, it won't be
a UN peacekeeping mission as Russia has the VETOCHSD.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Thank you for that great text. I mean, just going
on what the Prime Minister has said is that he's
open to sending peacekeeping troops to the Ukraine whatever may happen,
and he did make the point that it's a long
way to go, but also use the phrase we're usually
in lockstep with the Brits. But right we sent peacekeeping
troops or our troops to Afghanistan as part of the
PRT and what happened there was we were stuck in

(57:40):
a very complicated, messy conflict within Afghanistan until we had
to pull our troops out in twenty twenty one. What
I my opposition to this is we may find ourselves
in that situation in Ukraine. Nobody knows what's going to
happen in the long run if we do send peacekeeping
troops into Ukraine. Is that a possibility? Love to hear
from you? Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 4 (59:34):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and having a very
good discussion about whether we should ever contemplate sending peace
keeping troops to Ukraine on the back of some comments
from our Prime Minister Chris Luxon this morning. It's certainly
been a passionist.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yet I've really enjoyed it. I feel like I'm learning
a bit of stuff here as well. It's great talking
to people that have actually been peacekeepers, and that's the
great thing about being on u Stork SEDB. You talk
about a topic and people that have actually been there
on the ground will ring up and tell you about it.
I'm with you now, Marcus. That call from Marcus was fantastic,
So Luxon told News Talks zb's my costing that we'd

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be open to sending peacekeepers into the Ukraine, but feels
that's a long way to go, so it's we're not
anywhere near that. But he also said we're usually in
lockstep with the Brits, which was interesting to re reiterate
that because obviously historically we've been in lockstep with the Brits.
But right now America's our second biggest trading partner. Yeah,
after so after China, So you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Know, should we be in locks yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Sean Sorry one good a your.

Speaker 20 (01:00:43):
Thoughts, Hey, get hey guys, a very good topic this afternoon.
We'll keep it civil. We absolutely should not get involved
in this because this particular war, like I mean, you
had the peacekeeper go earlier where he went out like
for example of Cause and like Sudan and still more

(01:01:07):
where there were people put actually killing each other, and
you would want peacekeepers to help with the humanitarian that's amazing.
But this Ukraine war, it's not something as so easy
sold as good guys and bad guys, or like the
other lady said, who's democracy and who's not democracy? I
believe Ukraine, the poor Ukrainian people were sacrificed, were ultimately

(01:01:31):
used by America to do its war with Ukraine, and
this is something we should not be involved with because
it's not as simple as being the good guys and
the bad guys anymore. It's quite corrupt on all the sides, unfortunately,
and I think we should keep our help purely for

(01:01:52):
helping people, humanitarian even I'll go as far as yes,
if there is, like God forbid, another wrong story, yes
we have to go there and make a stop for it,
and as long as the whole world.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Is with it.

Speaker 20 (01:02:05):
But this something, it's like, yeah, it's too if he
it's too fishy, there's too.

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
Much bad blood.

Speaker 20 (01:02:12):
If some people call it civil war, I mean to me,
it's another proxy war being.

Speaker 16 (01:02:17):
Used by them.

Speaker 20 (01:02:18):
And at the end the Americans they leave in NATO
and they leave in the Europeans on their own.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Sean. If you don't mammy asking what what's your excine.

Speaker 16 (01:02:28):
I'm originally from Iraq.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Oh right, okay, I was trying to Patrick. How long
have you been in New Zealand for.

Speaker 20 (01:02:35):
That's twenty nine years?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Oh wow?

Speaker 12 (01:02:37):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah, But you know, I think from Iraq you'd obviously,
you know, be very aware of the horrors of war.

Speaker 20 (01:02:46):
Oh yes, I'm so bad. I've seen the Iran War,
but the Golf War was the closest one because kind
of the whole country became the battlefield.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Yeah, and I tell you, yeah, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:03:02):
It was. It was a bad one, and America is
not really when they go I knew they go hard
on you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Being being someone that's been so close to and being
from a country that has been absolutely ravaged by war.
How does that change your view of of of just
conflicts in general.

Speaker 20 (01:03:22):
They should not happen. It is a waste of waste
of lives, waste of people, waste of men, children, resources.

Speaker 16 (01:03:34):
It's stupid.

Speaker 20 (01:03:35):
It's absolutely not worth it. And I've seen, like I
mean when I watch these videos now and now you
can see them all. It's not just Ukraine as I mean,
a much more horrible story down by God, it's horror
and yeah, and especially when it's both for these wars
are and ethical, both of them. They have these innocent

(01:04:00):
people dying for someone else's benefits and profits. And Ukraine
is going to get nothing out of this at the end.
I mean, I don't even think they will. We will
have peace keeping forces in Ukraine because this whole thing
started with booting one thing, NATO in Ukraine. So do
you really think he's going to allow British troops to

(01:04:21):
be in Ukraine? No way, no way, even after all this,
I mean, yes, Ukraine is still standing after three bloody
wars because the entire West was supporting it. But just
go count to the numbers of graves they have now,
of all these soldiers, of these young men. That's a
meat grinder and it has to stop. No One is

(01:04:43):
gaining nothing of it, no one except their military industry
is probably making lots of money selling all weapons for
both both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, oh, thank you so much for your call. And
that's a very unique perspective on the situation inside I
mean Iraq, my god, Yeah, what the horrors Yeah, absolutely,
I mean the horrors of war on display there. Greg
your thoughts.

Speaker 21 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I was calling about. I think it was Marris
who said that, you know, it was all the West's
fault because they pushed NATO east. And well what happened
was that the German, British and Americans did agree with
Gorbachev not to push NATO east, but they didn't push

(01:05:29):
it east. The Eastern States, the former Soviet states of
the Baltic States, moved west. They no longer wanted to
be part of the Warsaw Pact, wanted to come to
the West, and that's why they joined NATO. So we
didn't ask them to join. We didn't push east, they
pushed west. And I think that Putin's dangerous. Have you

(01:05:49):
guys read books by Bill Browdick, Call Read Notice and
Freezing Order? Okay, In the last one Freezing Order, he
actually puts a PostScript and he says, ultimately, there are
only two ways this terrible situation will be resolved. Either
Russia wins the war or Ukraine wins the war.

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
That's it.

Speaker 21 (01:06:10):
If Russia wins, this won't be the end of Putin's
military adventures. I promise you this. The next stop will
be Estonia, Lithuania or Poland your point, as guns at
these countries, and as nuclear missiles at London, Berlin and Washington.
You'll then sit back and smirk as we debate whether
we're serious about enforcing NATO's Article five, the doctrine of

(01:06:30):
common sense for all, all for one, and one for all.
You'll laugh as our politicians and pundits go on TV
and descend into endless sniping about the merits of risking
millions of lives and countless treasure to engage in an
all out war with Russian Well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
It sounds like an interesting read, Greg, But that aside,
I mean, that is the concern here, the fog of war.
Whatever is the strategy of Putin or the strategy of
Ukraine and America and everybody else involved on the periphery
of this conflict, it is not something I think New
Zealand should be a part of. Do you think we
should be a part of it, even in a peacekeeping.

Speaker 21 (01:07:03):
Role, Well, we're usually pretty good at it. But I
just don't getting to that point. I don't think there
will be there can be peace. I don't think Putin
wants it. He's in a dangerous place. I was actually
living in Tubilisi in Georgia when the war broke out,
and in the six months while we were there after

(01:07:25):
the war broke out, there were one hundred thousand Russians
came into Tblisi to escape the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Well, what were you doing there?

Speaker 21 (01:07:34):
My wife was posted there, right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
And what was the reaction of Georgians when initially that
conflict broke out.

Speaker 21 (01:07:44):
Well, they never really liked the Russians because they were
attacked by Russia in two thousand and eight, they got
to within forty five minutes of Tblisi. So and you
know there's been they love to demonstrate in Georgia, so
they've got we were there a few times, you know,
there and they were protesting about a Russian polititician had

(01:08:04):
been given the opportunity to give a speech from the
speakers thrown of Georgian parliament and they didn't like that.
They've now got problems because the parliament they've just gone
through an election and it was so finely balanced and
the Russian supporters just got in. So there's been lots
of demonstrations in the streets and debleasing about that from

(01:08:25):
the Georgian people who are loyal to Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
What did the Georgians think of these hundred thousand, I
guess you'd call them Russian refugees or Russians that came
over there that didn't want to be conscripted into the army.
Did they welcome them with open arms?

Speaker 21 (01:08:42):
They welcomed their rubles. Georgia is quite a poor country.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, so with NATO, so from a Russian perspective though,
you see, you know, Sweden joining NATO in twenty twenty four,
it seems to be getting bigger and bigger. So you've
got thirty two NATO countries and you've got Russia sitting there.
Can you see from their perspective at all playing devil's

(01:09:09):
advocate that NATO exists to restrict Russia's ambitions in Europe?
Pretty much? Can you see from Russia's perspective that Ukraine
joining NATO would seem like a just maybe a step
too far for them?

Speaker 21 (01:09:27):
Oh, certainly the Russians would think that. But if you
think about the fact that Sweden, you know, a neutral
state for five hundred years, has chosen now to join NATO.
They only chose to join NATO because Russia invaded Ukraine.
If that hadn't happened, Sweden would still be a neutral
state and not part of not part of NATO.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, now, I mean there are states that there are
states that border Russia that are parts of NATO. Of course, Finland,
for example, Norway.

Speaker 21 (01:09:56):
Finland only just joined as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah at Poland as nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 21 (01:10:01):
Well, yeah, Poland, that's another one of those states that
was part of the Soviet Union, attached to the Soviet Union,
but when the breakup came they didn't want to be
part of it anymore. But it's called the Warsaw Pack
to the capital of Poland, and they chose to leave
the Warsaw Pack. So these choices have been made by
those eastern states. It wasn't the West chasing them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
I believe Poland has quite a formidable military force now,
don't they. They've been building that up for some time.

Speaker 19 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:10:31):
If you read a book by Tim Mitchell called Prisoners
of Geography, he explains how Poland has been a battleground
for the last thousand years because it's on it's three
hundred kilometers of flat land between the Baltic Sea and
the Urals, and of course the armies of yesteryear have
just gone backwards and forwards, fighting each other from west
to east and back again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Well, that's the interesting thing when you bring up that,
I mean these that Europe has just been a rolling
dumpster fire for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years. Really,
so many different countries that in that zone, which is
why after World War Two. After World War One, people
thought that maybe we'd stop with this this kind of stuff.

(01:11:11):
But then there was World War Two and NATO was
really formed just to maybe hold, you know, bring Europe
together and not continue those things. But yeah, when you
talk about Poland, the horrors that have happened in Poland
across history, it's and not even that long ago. Yeah,
it's exactly. It's just it's just really horrible to read about.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Yeah, but just bringing it back, Greg And I know
you said in your view, will never come to us
having peacekeeping troops on the ground, but we are sending
significant amounts of money into funds for medical equipment for
you know, work on the periphery, so we are involved
to some extent. Do you think that's a mistake we
need to pull back on that funding.

Speaker 21 (01:11:51):
No, I think that something's fine. I think you know,
that's the one thing we can do. Let the the
big powers that can send the munitions they can do that.
We can play our part because at the end of
the day, Putin invaded a sovereign state.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Any plans to head back to Georgia anytime soon.

Speaker 21 (01:12:08):
Greet No, No, I'm I'm based on Vietnam now saying
oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, all right, well there's there's a place with there's
a place with some history as well.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
All okay, at the moment, though, thank god.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
All right, Hey, thank you so much for your call. Greg,
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
That'd be good afternoon, Matt and Tyler says this text
on nine two nine two. From my experience in the
military and post protection in the UK, both Labor and
the Coalition have kit New Zealand aid and active ally
to Ukraine eighteen million weapons eighteen million dollars in weapons
alone to kill Russians. Plus we're active and surveillance and
military training. Hardly a neutral standing point for a peacekeeping

(01:13:05):
force eligibility top lockstep with UK Boris Johnson is quoted
to stop Russia at all costs, including boots on the ground.
I mean, yeah, that's the thing. We would not at
this point be seen as particularly neutral in a situation,
a peacekeeping situation. You wouldn't think Ellen. Welcome to the show. Sorry,

(01:13:40):
welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:13:40):
Ellen, Okay, the previous guy was just about right on it.

Speaker 22 (01:13:47):
All.

Speaker 14 (01:13:48):
Poland is death and NATO and Europe wanted Poland in
because it has the biggest land mass of troops under arms.
It has one million soldiers under arms today. No other
European country has that many people under arms. But that's
their entire military force that is ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Do you know how much of their GDP they put
into their military. That might be an unfair question, but
you know they talk about the two percent of NATO.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
That's what The Polands increased their investment in the military
by hundreds of several hundred percent, haven't they in recent years.

Speaker 14 (01:14:27):
Yeah, well, it's a carry on from when Russia invaded them.
So they put themselves in a position that they could
stand up and put up a fight if Russia was
to try it again. Smart and that is why they
have that many soldiers under armed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
So yeah, you carry on, Ellen.

Speaker 14 (01:14:50):
Oh. Then Sweden was the last one to join NATO,
and they agreed to. Sweden joined because Sweden is very
high tech and it builds military Their aircraft top notch,
and that's why Europe wanted them. So Sweden's made us

(01:15:13):
money through building the moment, then Poland has the nnpair
being coupled it with what Europe can build and supply
up they make a pretty strong force between all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I so Poland's defense spending has risen to four point
seven percent of its GDP. That is that is right
up there. What do we say, it's thirty six billion
dollars they're spending on the thirty five billion defense build
this year.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
Yeah, good sea, But it's a big country.

Speaker 14 (01:15:42):
It's not biger than what we are.

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
Like.

Speaker 14 (01:15:45):
On top of that, you've got to look at the
scenario of Poland has been right in there with Ukraine
since the day of the invasion. They've been repairing tanks
for the Armlament. Yeah all Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call. Ellen,
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Have it all youth talks, they'd be Johnny, welcome to
the show. Your thoughts on peacekeeping in the Ukraine, Johnny, it's.

Speaker 23 (01:16:33):
Funny, yes, yeah, hi, I was just watching a couple
of things on YouTube. You say about Ukraine and some
of the civilians that have been killed by units, Russian units,
and just despicable and kind of reminds me of the
way the Russians behaves in Germany after the war, with
the rape of women.

Speaker 19 (01:16:53):
And just outright murder.

Speaker 23 (01:16:55):
I'm really against sending peacekeepers. I'll tell you why. Both
my uncles went over to Malaya Borneo with you in
they are involved in fighting communists. My dad went to
what was supposed to be called a police action in

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Vietnam and got sprayed with agent orange. My brother went
to Somalia with UNISOM and United Nations Protection Forces Bosnia Herzegovina.
Our family have got numerous mental scars and PTSD that's
intergenerational now as a result of our service in theaters

(01:17:38):
of combat. This term peacekeeping often is applied very liberally,
where soldiers stand around while people were murdered by insurgents.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Yeah yeah, hey, well, thank you so much for that, Johnny,
and sorry to hear that we are unfortunately out of time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
And it was nicely said though Johnny Quick a couple
of texts to wrap up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
It turns out this was an excellent chat. Apologies for
getting wound up earlier, but I believe we need to
be accurate with the information that was being discussed. Well
done gents, and sorry again for me grumpy. Hey, we
love all text nineteen ninety two being grumpy and we're
just new to the show, so feedback on our performance
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Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
No need for apologies. We love a bit of passion,
don't we.

Speaker 22 (01:18:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Huge two hour chat. Yeah on the Ukraine and peacekeeping
and New Zealand's involvement in that whole situation. And loved it.
There's a real bummer we had to drop Johnny off.
He was telling a really interesting story about his family
and what they've gone through in conflicts representing New Zealand.
So I'm sorry to Johnny, but what you might not

(01:19:06):
know is that the show automatic. He goes to ads.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Yeah, we can't stop. It has to play and ads
have to play as well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
So I would have loved to talk to Johnny a
little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Yes, but good discussion of the last couple of hours
on to another topic, something that is pretty close to
your heart.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Met he Yeah, that's right. So it just seems today
that maybe we both just tuned into the My Cost
and Breakfast and stole two pieces of content from the
Christopher Luxe interview, one piece which we've been talking about
for two hours, and then another thing that he discussed
that was not quite as controversial but certainly sort of

(01:19:45):
fired up a bit of discussion.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Did you do anything for Valentine's Day?

Speaker 7 (01:19:48):
Do you know what I didn't? Actually, because every day
is Valentine's Day and the Luxe and household you know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
Is that a your wife is sick of hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
That's a reason for no.

Speaker 7 (01:19:59):
We sat down, I think we had dinner on our
laps and I think we started watching there was some
Netflix show we started getting into.

Speaker 6 (01:20:07):
Stop eating on your knee. It's not healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
This is the body hecker that's right now. This is
something I'm very personate, passionate about. And then it's eating
dinner around the table. And I'm not judging our Prime
minister at all. His kids have flown the coop. It's
just him and his lovely wife sitting on the couch
eating their dinner on their knees. But I've got this
personal bug beer with that. I think food should be

(01:20:34):
enough to entertain us. I think you know, you make
some food and then you rush around to find the
show that you're going to watch on TV while you eat.
I think modern humans rover stimulate. We need to just
enjoy the food that is in front of us. And
especially when you've got kids, I think that eating around
the table is one of the most important things that

(01:20:56):
you can do as a parent. And no phones, no TV,
and look, your kids might not love this, but you
sit around and you attempt to have a conversation with them,
and you attempt to appreciate the food that is being
surpribed for you. That you're lucky enough to have.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Just good old conversation like we used to do. I'd
go a step further, and whether I do this on
a regular basis, probably not, But I actually think yes,
absolutely important for families, but I think that's important for
couples as well. You wouldn't go to a nice restaurant
with your partner and then whip out your phone and
start watching Netflix. Why are you chimming down on a steak?
Would you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
How can you be truly thankful for what you're about
to eat while you're watching a television show? And I
think that dinner time is an opportunity for gratitude in
the fact that you live in such a situation that
you have the loved ones around you, and that you
have food to serve them. I think that's a very
very important thing. And even in a relationship. And look,

(01:21:52):
I feel like we're dumping on the I feel like
we're dumping on the PM here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
We did it on Valentine's Day as well as come
on Prime Minister, there's a love But.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Yeah, wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you
sit around at the table and feed your kids and
have that conversation and do the old fashioned thing or
are used just serving up the food on the couch
while you watch some punishing series or worse, still getting
to a huge family argument about what you're going to
watch when you're sitting on the couch. Shouldn't the food

(01:22:25):
that we serve be enough to stimulate us in our lives?
How pampered are we? Where we need to not only
be entertained by the delicious fear that's been served, but
also need to have our eyeballs massage by some kind
of entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Yeah, so give us a call. We're not going to judge.
Nine two is the text number? Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is eleven
past three News Talks. It'd be thirteen past three, and
we're talking about sitting down at the dinner table with
your family or your lovely partner. Is it important to

(01:23:02):
you rather than eating tea with it on your lap
like our Prime Minister Christoph Luxan does.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Is the text number? Oh eight, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number? Give us a call.

Speaker 12 (01:23:12):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
I wonder what Matt's opinion on this is. He's not
made it very care Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:23:15):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Are you pro at the dinner table or.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
I think you've got to. You've got to for what
we're about to eat. Maybe be truly thankful. You've got
to sit around the table. You gotta look into each
other's eyes and ask your kids what they did today.
So they cannot remember a single thing from school, amazingly
sounds intense. I mean, that's that's the biggest failing of children,
is the inability to ever come home with a single
story to tell their dad from hold at school. You

(01:23:41):
ask them no memories at all, what happened at lunchtime?

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Whatx and a half hours, kids, something must have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
What they're subjects were? Mitchell, welcome to the show your thoughts.

Speaker 24 (01:23:52):
Hey, guys, how you're doing?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:23:54):
Really good?

Speaker 24 (01:23:54):
We round the table was really important for us when
our kids were little. We my oldest is thirty, and
so we we would we would, we would go around
the table and each person had to say three things
that that three good things that happened to them in
the day. And I went to school and came home.

(01:24:17):
Was never going to cut the mustard. So they had
to be specific about what they did in the day.
And it could have been on the weekend too, What
three things did you do today that you really enjoyed.
One of my kids, one of my daughters, she would
always give.

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
What we called the long version.

Speaker 24 (01:24:31):
You know, I got up at eighty Gold this morning
and I got.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
The buck to school.

Speaker 24 (01:24:35):
But it was really important for us to know what
the kids were doing, because when you started to build
a routine, when something was off, you noticed, and so
that was that was really important for us. But also
it was important for us to send a message to
our kids that we were interested in what they had
going on, so we did so that was really important

(01:24:55):
for us. Now, my youngest daughter, she's now only sixteen,
so there's nine years between three and four. So the
older kids had gone, they're all moved out of home
and into the grandkids stage. But the younger one we
you know, she's brought up in the Facebook, iPhone social
media era that the older three won't. And so we
now have a meal just with her in the living

(01:25:18):
room on the couch watching a program that we all
agree that we're going to watch together. So we all
have to agree to watch this one program and then
that's an opportunity for us to sit.

Speaker 19 (01:25:29):
Down with her one on one.

Speaker 24 (01:25:31):
Two kept her out of her bedroom, so she's like
one of these teenagers that's sort of you know, she
crawls out of her bedroom at nighttime and gets something
to eat and somebody to drink and then scrawls back
to her bedroom. You know, So we don't get to
spend the whole evening with her, but that that hour
that we watched that program could be down maybe could
be who knows what, right, that's that hour that we

(01:25:52):
can talk with her while we're having a meal. That
that that is something that we couldn't do with the
older three, but it works for her different. You know,
she's a different generation within our kids generation, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 14 (01:26:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yeah, it's a gutting hard of parenting when you were
kids suddenly decide that you're not the most important thing
in the world and they'd rather just be in their
own That I struggled with that struggle is the kids
detached and yeah, hanging out with dad, punishing him for
stories when the kitchen table suddenly not the most exciting
thing in the world.

Speaker 24 (01:26:27):
And that's why we needed to find a different strategy
for number four. Yeah, because sitting around the table, because
the other three went there, just the dynamic was different.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Yeah, it's interesting the last kid left at home as well.
There's a lot of memes online about it that the
youngest kid has a very very different experience with their
parents than the older ones. My little sister was like that,
she felt like we all abandoned her, and then yeah,
there weren't there weren't that. That's suchually a really good point.
There weren't the dinners around the table for her either.
In the end, because the parents are like, you've got
to their fourth kid or whatever, they moved on. What

(01:26:59):
was the minimum level of story that you'd accept back
when you were demanding three stories from your kids?

Speaker 24 (01:27:06):
Oh it was. It wasn't a hard fast bridge. Think
if they only had two, that was okay. We didn't
get the bell tell or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 24 (01:27:13):
But it's like, you know, if they played that they
if they played sport today, or if they had an
exen today, or they had a great conversation with a
friend today, or they helped someone today you or there
they had a puncher on their bike today or so
it was like, so, just tell us three interesting or
good things that happened today. And if the kids had
something that wasn't that flash, yeah, then we would give

(01:27:34):
them an opportunity to share them at the table as well,
or they would know that they could come and see
us after the meal, and then we could talk about
what had happened that wasn't so great.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yeah, that's a very good point because if you're if
you're talking to them every day, what you said before
around knowing when something's wrong, Because a kid won't necessarily
tell you when something's wrong. They'll just say they'll just
say you go Howard school and they go good, and
they'll say that every day. But if you're actually getting
to engage, you can tell when something's off.

Speaker 24 (01:28:02):
You can see it in their behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Yeah, and it's good training for later in life.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
Mitchell. You know how many gen z get into the
workforce now and they go to a meeting and say, hey,
we'll just go round the table and everyone contribute, and
they're terrified, absolute terrify. So doing that at the dinner
table was good training.

Speaker 24 (01:28:19):
And we would make their friends do it when they
came over.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for you call, Mitchell.
I appreciate that. See im and I've talked to you
about meetings before. With people, there's too much. Sometimes you
just want to talk about what you've been up to
on the weekend. I might let's get down to what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Are we here to work or we here to socialize?

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Yeah, I mean I don't need to know what you've
been doing in your day before we run into each other, Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Have you never been in that situation though? And it is, Look,
it's god awful. Let's be honest. But if you're new
to a workplace or you're joining the club and they say, right,
let's just go round the room and introduce yourself and
tell us one fun fact about yourself, it's terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
I love it. I just think it's a waste of time.
Pretty hard to talk while you're eating. Was always told
not to talk with mouthful? Yeah, I mean that's that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
You've got a thread there. You got to you gotta wait,
You gotta hold your finger up yep, until you swallow
that food and can't eat with your mouthful, can't talk
with your mouthful. And then you answer the question.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
All about timing, Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is it still important for you as a family or
a partnership to eat at the dinner table? Love to
hear from you? Nine two ninety two's the text number.
It is twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on us talk zib.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Good afternoon, twenty two past three and having a good
discussion about how important it is to sit down with
your family or indeed partner at the dinner table just
talk we're used to instead of watching TV shows on
Netflix or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
I just realized you can go and go to my
Instagram Matt Heath and z At Instagram you can watch
me sitting around a table having dinner and talking with
Boden Barrett.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
See turn up for tea quite a bit, does he.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
No, he doesn't, but it was as me and him
and Tony Street we're talking about talking about eating around
tables and families. They had seven kids and the Barrett family, right, Yeah,
there's a big family. Oh eight hundred and eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Some great texts coming through on nine two ninety two
as well, Michael, how are you.

Speaker 25 (01:30:24):
I'm doing great? Thanks. I agree with your sentiment lads,
And just to build upon what your previous call it mentioned,
I think it's actually up to us parents to ask
our kids better questions if we get nothing out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, Yeah, how do how do? What are the questions?
Because I've struggled across my entire parenting, I've asked them
and they've gone, I can't They just can't remember anything.
So what's a bit of question.

Speaker 25 (01:30:49):
I mean, what's funny that funny that happened today? What's
the silliest thing you saw today? To tell me, what's
the worst mood a teacher was in?

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
That's a good one.

Speaker 25 (01:31:02):
Let's let's brainstorm an idea for a reboot of Back
of the y as.

Speaker 12 (01:31:08):
You could ask my.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Kids don't know about that show? Keep kiding the secret
from him? Yeah, I mean, I mean a question a
kid can always answer, especially a teenage boys, is you
know a thirteen year old boys, what did you eat today?
They can always remember that and it'd be like, oh,
I stopped off and brought some lollies on the way home.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:31:28):
And I'm disappointed at mister Luxon, really, I mean he
should be sitting the standard. I mean it's almost like
he remember at the labor party with with his ultra
left wing dinner habit.

Speaker 12 (01:31:39):
His wife chooses what they watch is probably.

Speaker 25 (01:31:41):
Up to date with the Kardashian.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Well, there's a lot of pushback and apparently he's using
a bean bag tray.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Oh, you can't do that trade.

Speaker 16 (01:31:50):
That's probably a wiki bag bean bag trail.

Speaker 25 (01:31:55):
Yeah, the wet blanket warm somehow.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Yeah, yeah, fantastic, thank if you call Michael.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Have a great day, Yeah, Tyler met. My daughter insists
that they eat at the dinner table. The kids are
encouraged to give their highs and lows for the day,
an excellent way to keep the communication going and knowing
how they feel. That's from erin your highs and lows
for the day. But yeah, I mean, what about my
wider point that there's something wrong with us, Like families

(01:32:24):
obviously need to get together and talks here, you know,
I mean, otherwise what are you doing If you're never
talking or sitting around or experiencing each other every day,
then what are you really doing? But also my question
around is how entertained do we need to be? So
can't we just take a moment to enjoy the food

(01:32:47):
we have as opposed to having to be doubly entertained,
overly stimulated by a TV series and the food that
you're eating.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
But to a fourteen year old or a thirteen year
old or a fifteen year old. That is a hard cell.
They are super wide into their phones. So you're saying, kids,
we're going to sit down and we're going to have
a conversation. They're going to look at you to say
you're mad.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
But that's the job of a parent. A job of
parent is to find moments like that, and you'll look
back and you'll have fantastic stories when you grow up
about the things that happened at the dinner table, like
peas you threw at your sister or I mean me
and my little sister Imogen, we'd always have this thing.
We would be forced to go and get each other
a drink and if I had to get us some milk,
I'd fill it up with salt and and she would

(01:33:37):
do worse. How did the parents feel about that, Well,
they wouldn't know about it. Is these little wars, these
little memories that we look back fondly on. Definitely, get
the family around the table, appreciate the food and the
cook debrief and teach the kids open communication. Love the
show lads, cheers Mitch.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
That's what I love to do when I was a kid,
is help mum do the cooking. Honestly, I thought that
was more important to me than actually sitting around at
the dinner table eating. It was helping mum with with cooking.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
What kind of boy, what kind of little boy prefers
the cooking than the eating me. That's why you didn't
grow very Hey, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty I
could chop a potato.

Speaker 10 (01:34:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
I'll say to you right now, you are under Nurris.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
You're focused on the wrong part at dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Yeah, but look at me now, not under Norris. Now,
am I N nine two is a text number. We'll
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Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Thank you very much, ray Lean and we're asking the
question do you still make an effort to sit down
with your family or partner at the dinner table rather
than sitting in front of the TV. Some great text
coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
I say it to some muston families. Yeah, no phones
or TV at the table and at the table every night.
You know what you're going on, what's going on with
your family? Says this texture. Yeah, I mean you obviously
didn't listen to exactly what Christal Luxe and said. He
didn't say that they do it every night. He said
that's what him and his wife did on Valentine's Day. Well,
you obviously didn't listen to us talking about it because
we never said that he did it every night. We
just said that he said to Hosking that he did

(01:36:26):
it on Valentine's Day, and we sprang it off into
a wider chat and we did make a point that
he's just with his partner out up with his wife now,
not the kids, so you know, once the kids leave,
you don't necessarily have to sit around the table. But
I just believe that it's actually no. I think I
do believe that you should be stimulated enough by food,
and if you're just mindlessly shoving food into your face

(01:36:48):
while you're watching TV and not appreciating the food that
you've got, then I don't think that's I don't think
that's a very as uplifting away. I feel like food
should be entertaining enough.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
But what if, Because quite often me and maybe would
just sit on the couch and watch different TV shows
while we're eating dinner. And I know that would horrify you.
But if that is not the way that we bond
and have chats, that's kind of just nourishment for us.
The way that we kind of bond as getting out
and having a nice walk together. Would you look at
us and say, how dare you?

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah? Well, this text to heresy is stop telling people
how to live their lives. Met you're a fascist. That's
from Mary. Thanks for that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Oh okay, that's extreme. Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is it still important for you and your family and
partner to sit around at dinner table to eat and
have a conversation rather that than in front of the TV?

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
James, Hi, how do you feel about this?

Speaker 22 (01:37:45):
Well, I'd be one of these days. But back when
I was my mother's caregiver and living with her, you know,
way about twenty or thirty years ago, it wasn't uncommon
for us to actually believe it or not, is to
sit down together in the lounge and watch TV together
and have dinner or lunch and we catch up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
So you've still having the conversation whilst they.

Speaker 22 (01:38:12):
You know, have it down on the background, either either
the news or something like that flunny in the background. Yeah,
but you know we'd talk, but you know, you don't
have to sit around, you don't. It was only the
two of us, so we basically just sat in the
lounge and you know, had our dinner or our lunch

(01:38:33):
one and basically caught up with the day. Then you
know if even especially what I've been.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
Out for or over to tell you is what you're saying, James, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I'm sure there are some some families that would
would claim to do that as well, that they are
bonding over a particular TV show. I remember my old
man Actually is we were all forced to sit at
the dinner table and Dad would sometimes just go and
watch the news, but he was the only one allowed

(01:39:00):
to go and sit down on the couch and watch that.
And if we did complain, you'd say, you do what
you're told, you sit down on the dinner table. I
am the father here, I'll go the news, but you're
going to sit there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
So your dad would be over on the arm chair
watching the news while you guys were on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yeah, but we didn't want to watch the news. The
news was boring when we were a kid. We're just dad,
come on, but hey, he was, he was the dad
in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
You did your dad have a special cheer that you
were his cheer? Yep, yeah, so did my dad. My
dad had his cheer. We weren't allowed to sit in.
Is that sort of thing that dads have their dad year?
Because I hope so it's not for me. Yeah, oh,
you don't have a dad yet. I don't have a
dad year.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I'm looking forward to the day dad yet.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
I bought a dad cheer And then the dog Colin
has taking it as his cheer and he gets annoyed.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
If it was always a lazy boy, Dad had a
lazy boy and granddad had a lazy boy. If you've
got a lazy boy, that's a dad cheer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Love to hear from you, Marlene. Are you were you
sitting around the TV? Watching sitting around watching eating dinner
watching the TV. I can't get my words out.

Speaker 8 (01:40:03):
Hello, guys, I love listening to your show. You yeah,
and so ours are slightly different. And so when the
kids were in the house, we used to sit in
front of the tally and I don't know if we
were just too busy with all the activities after school.
But now that they've moved out, we are actually, after

(01:40:24):
thirty two years of marriage, we've moved back to the
dining room table.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Ah. Yes, and how are you enjoying that well?

Speaker 8 (01:40:33):
And we've replaced the cell phones with wine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Choice are you are you checking the wine as often
as I'm checking my cellphone?

Speaker 8 (01:40:45):
No? No, But actually we've realized after being with the
kids all the time, we actually had a couple of
unfinished conversations. And we hardly watch any usual television. Lightly
we sort of watched the odd YouTube show or things
like that, but we've moved away from the television and

(01:41:08):
just on that I when our kids were in the house,
we offered them one night per week where they could
cook dinner for us. And do they They do, and
they both now cook. And we used to say it
could be a sandwich, a boiled egg, It didn't matter
as long as they cooked the dinner. So that and

(01:41:31):
we would sort of talk about it while wasn't dally
about the taste.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Hang on a minute, they served up a boiled egg,
that would be okay, Just a boiled egg.

Speaker 8 (01:41:41):
Yeah, that was our agreement with the kids. If they
even and we had to eat it and we weren't
allowed to complain about it. Yeah, I know, but it actually,
hey guys, it did work. My kids. We've got a
son and daughter and they can both cook really well
now and our daughter is relocated to Australia and they

(01:42:04):
are really good cooks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Oh well, good on you, Maline. Sounds like it's quality
of parenting.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
And you go thirty two years of marriage and what
was their go to when they started to up their
cooking skills a little bit? What was the best thing
they started?

Speaker 8 (01:42:19):
Oh you know how many toasted sand?

Speaker 12 (01:42:21):
We just rehead?

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
Yeah, good choice.

Speaker 8 (01:42:24):
It's the only thing they could cook that bloody George Foreman.
Girl was like I wanted to burn the thing, but
they ended up. Now they can literally cook that. I
go to the supermarket and I go, I'm going to
do pressers and this is what I'm going to serve
with that. So they really good cooks now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Oh yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for call Marlene.
Sounds like sounds like you've got it right. I agree
with that text of what business did of yours or
your station to tell us how we eat our meals
or anything else for that matter, classiest nonsense nonsense. Okay
to that texture, I say, you will eat your meal
as I tell you to me. Mad Heath is telling

(01:43:06):
you right now to stop watching TV eat your meals. Okay,
you just eat around the table. Okay, that's that's what
I'm telling you. All right, you've been told your number
in is in two to eight. You better do it
a towel or I'll come around and I'll pull your
pants down and smack your bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
That is a fair warning. I like this one yiday. Guys,
we sit around and listen to the wireless while we
eat listening to z B. Great way to have some
family time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Oh it's a genuine text listen to the wireless. Yeah, Oh,
good on them. I mean that's what all families used
to do. Least have the wireless on, didn't they? And backpack.
Then people would say you need to be concentrating listened,
you know, talking to your family, not with this new
fangled wireless interrupting your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call?

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Is it important for you to sit down with your
family and eat dinner without any distractions like dirty old TV.
Love to hear from you. Nine two nine too is
the text number. It is twenty wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
It's a fresh take on talkback Matt and Taylor Afternoon
with the Volvo XC ninety two rejourney into something special.

Speaker 9 (01:44:10):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Youth.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Talks' good Afternoon, eighteen to four. Now coming up, I've
got a bit of a I've got a bit of
a survey.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Question for you, Matt, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
What percentage of Kiwi's do you think actually make a
concided effort to sit down at the dinner table each
night with their family?

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Wow? What percentage is the percentage of households or what
percentage of people in.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Total percentage of households.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
I'm gonna say thirty percent.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
All right, all right, I'll tell you. Coming up very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
This text a on nineteen ninet two says teenagers who
work and play sport, as well as parents who work
gym and have a life hard to sit as a
family during the week or weekend. But we get Granny
around for dinner every Sunday, and it's not negotiable unless
you have to work and then a movie, who chooses
the movie rotates? Husband's choices are always the worst, says
this text. Yeah, I mean that is it is hard.

(01:45:05):
I mean it is when I say that it's better
to do that, I understand that it's not always possible,
especially with sports and work and such. Peter, welcome to
the show. Your thoughts on this.

Speaker 19 (01:45:19):
I grew up with dinner table most of my younger
life and has grown up and had their own kents.
Like a lot of the recallers of echos, you just
don't have real time with all the activities on. But
when we do betray myself and my daughter, we ever
stupid little saying as in TV and chair and they

(01:45:43):
get to choose the best part of the allowance to
sit on with the chair and what program they want
to watch. And it's my chance at that time to
put on an old eighties movie like Back to the
Future or the Original Term and all that. So she
can kind of understand. But the other thing I hate

(01:46:04):
is I hate when I crook a dinner is talking
to someone. I just want to enjoy my dinner and
then talk after the dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Okay, yeah, well I guess I guess the thing is.
I guess the thing is the the point is the
talking when you do it that, you know, I guess
it's a handy thing when it's around dinner table. But
if you're finding other ways to talk to the family,
then that's fantastic.

Speaker 8 (01:46:26):
Peter.

Speaker 20 (01:46:27):
Yeah, well we do that.

Speaker 21 (01:46:28):
We will do the dishes.

Speaker 19 (01:46:29):
That's really the talk time. You know, we think we're
washing up and that's when the school comes stuff comes
down then. But yeah, well I don't see an issue.
You know, it's probably three times a week will TV
and chair caught and have to suffer through some stupid
women YouTube crack.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Hey, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, Peter.
A movie that I just watched again recently, The Blues
Brothers from that's from nineteen eighty you're talking about making
watch ninety days movie? How good is the Blues Brothers?
I just listened to podcasts on One of my favorite
podcast is The Rewatchables, where they go and look at
old films and talk about them. I'd forgotten how great
The Blues Brothers is until I watch it again. I
know everyone knows it's a great movie.

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
But you know, great soundtrack as well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah, timeless saying very funny. Hey, thanks so much for
your call, Peter McKenzie. How are you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
You're very good? So eating around the table important in
your household?

Speaker 26 (01:47:30):
Yes, it is very important.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
And how old are you McKenzie thirteen thirteen? So you
do your parents ask you for, you know, details of
what happened during your day.

Speaker 8 (01:47:46):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 26 (01:47:46):
But we also have this tack of cards called talking
point cards, and it's got lots of random questions that
you have.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
To answer, and so this happens around the dinner table.
These talking point cards come out. Yeah, what kind of
questions are they? McKenzie?

Speaker 26 (01:48:07):
Like, if you could have any pit, what would you
choose them?

Speaker 7 (01:48:10):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
That's a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
What's the answer to that one?

Speaker 12 (01:48:16):
Probably a sloth?

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Can you have choice? Can you have a sloth as
a pet? Yeah, of course you can.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Well, the question is if you could have any pet
in the world as a sloth. It doesn't have to
be a practical answer.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
And what would you choose?

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Man, I choose my dog, Colin. I've already got the
ultimate pet. Okay, And McKenzie, do you enjoy these these
around the table dinners and the questions and stuff or
do you just wish you could run off to your
room or watch TV or whatever.

Speaker 26 (01:48:44):
I do quite enjoy it. Is it every night McKenzie,
like three or four nights a week because we're quite busy.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Yeah, it's pretty good. And have you got brothers and sisters?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:48:58):
I've got two younger brother Ancestor do they behave or
are they through food throwers like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
My sisters were?

Speaker 26 (01:49:06):
Its real?

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
So who's who's so? But you're pretty well behaved around
around the table?

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
I guess who sets the table McKenzie, Is at you?
Or do you make your younger siblings do that?

Speaker 26 (01:49:20):
It's on rotation?

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Hey, how strict are your parents with table manners? Are they?
Do they crack down on talking with your mouth full
or eating with your mouth open those kind of things.

Speaker 26 (01:49:33):
Well, we're not too shit because my other siblings have
special needs.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Okay, right, so it's it's a bit it's a bit
free and easy around that.

Speaker 8 (01:49:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
And what's your favorite dinner McKenzie? Or there's some thought
going into this one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
You can favorite dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
You can say takeaways if you want, but you've got
to give us the specific takeaway.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
This is one of those difficult questions.

Speaker 26 (01:49:59):
My favorite dinner is homemade butter chicken curry and none.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
Oh that sounds really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Well, thank you so much to be called McKenzie. It's
if you can pull off a butter check and a
homemade butter check. And I've tried on a number of
occasions too, and it's nowhere near.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
I'm pretty proud if I go checking tonight, just in
the jar, I'm happy with that. I went one hundred
and eighty. Ten eighty is the number of cool we
go to.

Speaker 10 (01:50:23):
Nathan cant Nathan, Hey, guys, you're looking well?

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
H you too?

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Feeling well?

Speaker 17 (01:50:31):
Down here in Dunedin. I was fixing a woman's oven
a while ago and got chatting and she was a
vice principal here at one of the schools, and I
asked her what can I do as a parent to
make your job easier? And she said, sit around the
dinner table and talk at night, debrief with your teenagers.
And we've made a considered effort to do that, and

(01:50:52):
over the years, if you go out to a restaurant,
you look at young early twenties somethings and they're out
on a date or something and they're just sitting there
looking at their phones.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
It's depressing.

Speaker 17 (01:51:02):
They had to have a conversation either eye, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Yeah, yeah. What about when you see families that are
out to dinner and look, I'm not a judgmental character,
but when you see, like there's a family out and
there's the two kids on their iPads and the parents
having a drink talking to each other, you know, is
that the kind of quality time? Does that? Does that
pass his quality time with the family?

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Can't do?

Speaker 17 (01:51:27):
I mean, I've even spoken to a couple of kindy
teachers who have preschoolers who speak in American accents because
it's just getting on YouTube so much.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Yeah, true story. You don't know, that's the thing, that's
that's the thing that's happening. Yeah, the kids are coming
up with American accents fart because they spent they spending
their time with their YouTube. Now with their parents. Yeah, unreal,
And but it's hard now, I mean, parents work long hours, though.
Do you manage to get home in time for dinner time?
What time is your family dinner and do you manage
to get home for it?

Speaker 17 (01:51:56):
Five thirty six Typically we eat most nights, and Monday
through Thursday is definitely got three boys around the table
and even if it's occasional grunt, you know, at least
you kind of something.

Speaker 27 (01:52:08):
Out of them. Sorry, you go there after dinner, they're gone.
You know that they're out. Like I've got one that's
doing night shift at macas at the moment, and I've
got others that you know, sports and others, bits and
pieces that are out here, there and everywhere. So you
kind of try to make that effort and the hardest
partner here. There'll be parents out there at the moment

(01:52:31):
going well, I know what I've got to do, but
I don't know how to do it. And even if
it's just one night, just put the foot down and say, right,
you lot, we're having dinner at the table and it's
got to be led by by mum and dad and
make it happen one night and then come out with
those those cool questions if you're a superhero, what what
what power would you want?

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
And why.

Speaker 17 (01:52:53):
Because of it's invisibility, you're a pervert.

Speaker 27 (01:52:55):
But anyway, yeah, in visibility for me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Unfortunately, they get fun.

Speaker 17 (01:53:06):
I mean, I've still got Simon's old plate.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
The Simon red played. I remember those you're about to
get them at the warehouse and is that still working,
your handing out the red pat to the best behaved.

Speaker 14 (01:53:20):
Kids as a as a as a joke.

Speaker 17 (01:53:23):
You know, yes, it might be hoorayh you picked your
towel up today, well done.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
My parents, my parents used to run these scams on
me and my kids. They'd be like this, get the
skin of the gravy or the skin of the custard. Yeah,
and they'd say that is for the the you know,
like just a scam, like that was a good thing.
But because they told you that getting the skin of
the custard was a treat, you'd be like, we'd fight
over it. We'd like I did this, I did this,
I did this.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
But there was a good part. I love the skin
of the custard. It was part of putting.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Hey, thank you so much for call Nathan, and congratulations
for those those dew neat and commute times where you
can be home by five thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Thank you very much. Mate. Now, before I asked a
what percentage of us sit down to dinner together on
weeknight weeknights here in New Zealand, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Said thirty percent.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
All right, if you think you know, nine to nine
two and we'll take a few more calls to wrap
this up. It is eight to.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Four, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the
Volvo XC ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort,
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Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Good Afternoon five to four, Just super quick ass before
what percentage of us sit down for dinner together on weeknights?
It was a survey done by my food bag last
year and they found forty percent of us sit down
for dinner together on weeknights.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Well, I guess thirty percent and you laughed at me, Yes,
you and because you're ten percent off. Yeah, but that's
pretty close, man Like, look at this text. Twenty five
to thirty percent fifteen percent, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
Forty percent is pretty good on Wednight good with fifty
five percent of us doing it two or three nights
a week. So that's not too bad. Fifty five percent
of us doing it at least a couple of nights
a week.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Yeah, And was it Peter that said that The school
principal vice principal said that that's the best thing you
can do for your kids. You know, how can you
bring up good kids, and that they do well at school.
Is that you ask them about their day around the table,
even though they generally don't have anything to tell you.
Welcome to the show, Kaiser, Is that Kaiser?

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:55:22):
Yeah, yeah, how are you going? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Good? Thanks?

Speaker 14 (01:55:25):
Yeah, yeah, forty percent of too bad?

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
Right, Yeah, it sounds pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
It's more than I thought. Well obviously good.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
Yeah, and for you, it's quite important.

Speaker 17 (01:55:32):
Being around thirty yeah, oh yeah, tell them yeah soon
around the people's.

Speaker 16 (01:55:36):
Most definitely important. I mean, I got I've got teenagers
that are in college, active with sports and that, and
of course trying to.

Speaker 8 (01:55:44):
Keep up their greeds.

Speaker 16 (01:55:45):
But I find out after busy weeks week's work or
busy day's work, I'll come home and then, yeah, my
kids are all look away in their room on their gadgets,
which is pretty sad.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:55:56):
That's the world that we're living today.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call. Guys,
we've just got we're running out of time here.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Yeah, but that is a nice place to leave that.
As Kaisers said, it is very important if you can.
I don't at the moment, and I might make a
bit of an effort, particularly because you've told everybody meant
just sit down at the dinner table.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
Well, from the Ukraine War to eating dinner with your family.
It's been a great show and we'll see you again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
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