Full Show Podcast: 19 February 2025

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Speaker 2 (01:11):
Get a Tyler Big Show Today. Yeah, you huge show today.
Huge weekend for me. I'm so deep into Clarkson's Farm now,
I'm in the second series of it, just into the
third series. I'm already getting very emotional that I'm going
to run out of Clarkson's Farm to watch. I know
I'm a late adoptor of the show, but it's taking
up my entire life.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You take the team. Existential question is what does one
do when you run out of Clarkson's Farm. You were
really worried.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, well, I've put me and my partner. We've booked
onto a farm in Cleveland to stay there on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I just want to be back. I'm going back to
my rural roots now.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, it's made farming well, obviously, it makes farming look
so incredibly hard, which it is incredibly hard, and the
amount of red tape they have to deal with and stuff.
So I don't think there's anyone that watches Clarkson's Farm
that doesn't come out the other end feeling very supportive
of our rural sector.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's on Amazon Prime, Amazon Video if you want to
watch it.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
So you're going to the farm to then watch the
few remaining episodes of clarks As Farm. I love that that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well I might just pested around some cows as well for.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
A little bit, just to get the vibe. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 3 (02:44):
And you called it out as well, so now they're
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want to have a go. I think it's cute that
you can't speak me after three o'clock. Brad Pitt is
in the country and you think he's a bit of
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think he's a superstar. I think he's a fantastic actor.
He's had an incredible career, done so many different things
across different movies and characters and production and producing.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
From one of my favorite movies, of all time fight Club?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
But is he the most significant actor of our era?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, that's what I want to know. Good question.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's pretty big. It's pretty big having in town. The
whole city is excited about it. Yeah, but is he
Is he more significant than Leonardo DiCaprio. Is he better
than Robert Downey Jr. Is he hotter than George Clooney.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
These are big questions and we want your answers after
three o'clock and after two o'clock. On the back of
the review into the justice system, we want to have
a chat about jury service.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, is it your obligation to move heaven and earth
to participate in the justice system when you're asked to
do jury service. I have never done jury service. I
haven't been asked in a very long time. The last
time I was asked, I couldn't do it, and it
seemed ridiculously easy to get out of I wouldn't want
you on jury. It's harder to get out of it
right now. You wouldn't want managering.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
I know.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
If I had to be in court and you're on
the jury outside, just just give me the judge alone, please,
because I know too much about you.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Whatever it is you're probably guilty of it, but yeah,
jury service. Have you been on jury service?

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Our obligation as New Zealander is to support our country
by doing.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Jury service at one at some time or other. Yeah,
I want to do it, but they never asked me.
That is going to be a good discussion after two o'clock.
But right now we're joined by Liam Dan New Zealand
here or Business Editor at Large And sorry ye had
to sit through that, Lamd, but thanks thanks for coming
back into the studio. So fascinating topics, Yeah, yeah, it
will be. And this is a fascinating topic as well.

(04:42):
So as part of your Inside Economics column in the
New Zealand Heralds, you've done some digging into the migrant
numbers and a figure there that is of relative concern
is the age group of twenty five to forty six
year old appearing to be leaving the country in significant
numbers at the moment.

Speaker 8 (05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
So this stems from on Tuesday, I think it was
we got the numbers from That's NZ for Kiwi's leaving,
you know, migration data, and it showed they highlighted some
age statistics that showed a lot of young people leaving.
You know, the peak age for New Zealanders leaving the
country is twenty five and I put that in the

(05:22):
headline and that was the story. But then I did
a bit more digging and kind of realized that those numbers,
while they are, you know, high numbers, are always pretty high,
so that the variance isn't that much. If you go
back to twenty eleven, you know, people are going on
their oe at that time. So had to look at the.

Speaker 9 (05:39):
Other numbers from the ages of from about twenty five
on through to about forty six. That's where the numbers
are at record levels and are much higher than they
were in previous years. And that concerns me a bit
because those are people that aren't probably going for an
oe adventurous sort of trip around Southeast Asia and then
wash up in London and work in a pub. Those

(06:01):
are people who are skilled people who have been educated
here and are leaving because they need better work opportunities
and economic opportunity.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And that's not great from a Crown revenue perspective, is
that that particular cohort of New Zealand is leaving.

Speaker 9 (06:13):
No, well, they are bigger, they earn more tag we
as we get older, we tend to pay earn more
and pay more tax, so you can see why that's
digging a bit of a hole in the crown revenue.
So yep, but we've still got a net migration gain,
which means that there are still some Kiwis coming home
and migrants coming into the country. But that's dropping away

(06:34):
really fast. But also it's harder to get the you know,
the skills mixed there. The government's talked a lot about,
you know, really trying to up the openness of New
Zealand to skilled migrants because we're in dire need of
engineers and doctors and all those sort of people. But
it sounds like we are losing a lot right now.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, people in their thirties and forties tend to more
likely to have children as well, and so you move
your children over to another country, they start going to
an Australian school and get Australian accents, and what you've
got some Australians as opposed to the normal thing that
I think a lot of we went overseas and then
got pregnant and then came back because we thought this

(07:14):
was the place to bring up our kids. But all
of a sudden you've got Australian kids and they're going
to Australian and schools or English or wherever you go,
and then you've got serious roots in that country that
that that's going to make it less likely to come home.

Speaker 9 (07:27):
And yeah, I think if you're going in your mid
mid thirties or early forties, you're probably going because you've
got something lined up. So the opportunity is there. You
don't sort of just go yeah, which, you know, look,
look great, it's great that it's been a tradition and
still is a tradition. And you'd expect high numbers of
Kiwis heading off on the oe, the younger Kiwi's, you know,

(07:50):
because they were you know, stuck here for four.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Years with mum and dad and.

Speaker 9 (07:55):
All that sort of stuff through COVID and so it
makes sense there was a bulge there. But look, I
know that, you know, anecdotally, we know that this is
a problem, but it just sort.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Of confirms that it is real.

Speaker 9 (08:08):
I've had a look at the comments online. There's a
lot of debate about what's driving it. I think for me,
primarily it would be the economics of it. Jobs, you know,
unemployments rising, wages in higher wages, and so I think
economics is at the root of why people migrate. I
have noticed a lot of comments saying that New Zealand's
got too woke and all that sort of stuff too.
There's that sort of cultural debate. But I'm not sure

(08:29):
where you go around the world.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, we wait to you land in Sydney experience for
woke exactly, and money talks, isn't it right? Yeah, if
you're in that age cohort and you've got a particular
position which is quite higher, and you get off at
double your salary in Australia or further abroad, what are
you going to do? You're gonna have that conversation say
that is it worth up routing here, pulling the kids
out of school and sitting up shop in Australia.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, I was in Memphis not so long ago, and
we were driving around these suburbs and we're pointing at
these mansions and that, and I asked that our driver,
you know, oh, well, how much do you pay for those?
And he said it's insane, you can't afford them. That
that house was giant, looked like the White House. That's
five hundred thousand.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Sine house prices.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
If you can trade in the house in Auckland and
get a mansion in Memphis, and you've got the skills
that Memphis wance maybe I don't know what country music.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
If you're going to go to America, you just have
to do it the right way. Don't walk over the
border or else you'll have ice knocking on your door
and having you out.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, there is that as well, Liam, Thank you very much.
If you want to check out the column, it's inside Economics.
It's on the New Zealand Herald and well worth a read.
But that's what we want to have a chat about
over the next forty minutes or so. That number age
twenty five to forty six, that is of concern. And
if you've had family members in that age group go overseas,

(09:47):
did you think they were going to come back? Do
you think they are either going to come back? Have
they set up shop in the likes of Australia, Canada,
the UK, even the US And the kids are now
going to school and you've kind of lost them for
the good chunk of their life, maybe until they retire
and they come back to musical.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
And if you're in your thirties, forties or fifties, and
you're thinking about leaving, then eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty nine two nine two is the text n But
why we'd love.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
To hear from you. It is sixteen past one, and
can we convince you to stay?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
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Speaker 6 (10:27):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Good afternoon. It is eighteen past one, and we already
know most of us that there are record numbers of
kiwis leaving the country for brighter futures abroad and the
likes of Australia, the US, Canada and the UK. But
in the latest Insigned Economics column from Liam Dan he
dug a little bit deeper and found that those aged
twenty five to forty six saw incredibly record high levels

(10:53):
of migration last year. And that is concerning twenty five
to forty six.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, those in your thirties and forties unlikely be just
going over for a couple of adventurous years. They're going
over for good, potentially. He's a text on nine two
nine two son and six friends moving next week to Ozzie,
just going no jobs, but they don't care. They are leaving.
I mean everyone as well. You know, everyone I know

(11:17):
is going to parties, constantly going away parties.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, never before.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
In my life as there's been so many people going
I'm going to Australia. Yeah, I'm going to the UK.
I'm going yeah, yeah, so many, so many parties, going
away parties.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
If that is happening in your family, love to hear
from you, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And if
you're in that age group and you were seriously considering
moving across the ditch to set up life, they love
to hear from you as well. Nine two ninety two
is the text number.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm a seventy seven year old New Zealander, fourteen grandkids
age six to thirty. Already six of our older grandkids
are in Aussie. They are all They were doing well here,
but a lot better in Oussie. Absolutely heartbreaking. That's from
Phil Sean. You moved to Ozzie, did you?

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (12:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (12:03):
Twenty twenty are working aviation, so you can imagine what's.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
My job over to the end of twenty twenty one
after signing.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
And are you just a second, just just sickond Sean?
Are you have you got a window open? You actually
you say you work in aviation. You're not on the
plane right now, are you? Were just getting a lot
of background noise there.

Speaker 12 (12:23):
Sorry, now I've got you on blue foot.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh there's slightly better. That's much nicer now, Sean. Thank
you just go back to what you're saying. So you
moved over in twenty twenty two?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Did you say?

Speaker 12 (12:34):
Twenty twenty one year? And because I've lost my job
through COVID like most of us in aviation, and spent
a year doing odd jobs, but then found an opportunity
in Australia, and I just so I highly recommend it,
Like I don't know, it sounds really unpatriotic, but things
like superannuation you know that I don't know.

Speaker 13 (12:52):
I keep seeing over there.

Speaker 12 (12:54):
We moved back because I found a job here again
and our families are here, so that was driving factor.
But just an example that my monthly power bill that
I pay every month here about what I would pay every.

Speaker 13 (13:07):
Three months her.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Wow.

Speaker 12 (13:10):
Yeah, and my wage I could earn probably twenty twenty
five conservatively more in Australia. But so I think there's
a cost for living in New y financially obviously have iceived,
but yeah, I can see what people do it and
I just wanted to give you guys a call and
anyone's thinking about doing it. It's certainly helped us.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah so Sean, but you are back in New Zealand,
So what what course do you leave with all these
cheap power prices and super innuation and all the opportunities.

Speaker 11 (13:45):
Oh well, what course is?

Speaker 8 (13:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (13:48):
Well just twenty twenty?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh no, what what course you come back? So you're
back in New Zealand now though?

Speaker 5 (13:52):
To come back?

Speaker 12 (13:53):
Yeah, well yeah I found a basically got an opportunity
to work at my dream job and be in New
Zealand with my family and with my wife's family and
to try and have a family. So having that support
metw it was really important.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah. And what what is your dream job? Sean? If
you don't mind you.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Sorry, what is your What is the dream job you
came back for?

Speaker 14 (14:22):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (14:23):
You want to sell the world but it's an aviation Yeah,
no comment.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
If you're flying flying the a t R. So say
good aid to my good mate Captain Scott Buttery.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
What a great man.

Speaker 11 (14:36):
He is cool.

Speaker 12 (14:38):
Yeah, so yeah, it's looking to be.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
So so so essentially for you to come back to
New Zealand, and this is a little bit concerning your
absolute dream job had to come true for you to
come back.

Speaker 12 (14:54):
No, Like I could have gone to well, you know,
you could go to the Middle East and Singapore and
Asia and pretty good money. But yeah, treated really well
at the company I'm at now and paid really fairly
and as I say, with our families back here. So

(15:16):
whilst I could have more money and the facts, you
know that I'm with our families and that support network,
it's probably worth that.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know, did you have children over in Australia or
is it because you're you planned to have kids so
you came back here. It was that kind of decision time.
You know that that you're having a young family and
you've got to make that call. Do you want to
spend the next ten years in Australia or come back
and have that support network in New Zealand with young kids?

Speaker 12 (15:43):
Yeah, exactly, bang on. Like I was applying for jobs
back here from twenty twenty three onwards once the industry
sort of started to pick up, because that is that reason,
we thought we want to try and have a family,
and my wife didn't have or we didn't have anyone
at first. We went there on our own and made
our own friends and started our life and had a

(16:04):
great time. But yeah, that support network was really important.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, sure, thank you very much. Great to chat. I mean,
that's it, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And well, I want to read through the lines and say,
as a pilot, but you know, if you're ever lucky
enough to be flying on an ATR in New Zealand
by Captain Scott Buttery, he's the best.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
ATR pilot in this country.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Rams it in like a tent pier on landing, it's
pretty good, on the lamping, phenomenal, just slams it in there.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
And lovely name as well. You can trust someone called
Scott Butttery.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Captain Scott Buttery, he's a great pilot.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love to hear from you if you're planning
on shooting across the digital further afield and you are
in that age group of twenty five to forty six,
why and if you've got family members that have done it,
Love to hear from you as well. Nine to nine
util's the text number. It's twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 15 (16:57):
Breakfast the Public Service Commissions Report into the use of
Census and COVID data ad Monaea Marai. The Public Service
Commissioner is Sir Brian Roche.

Speaker 16 (17:04):
Of course, this is a massive wake up call for
slack practices, incialism and the safegudding of information.

Speaker 15 (17:10):
Explain it to people who are listening to this, because
on one hand, and I'm sure you're right, there are
people in the public service who are really good, really skilled,
and we should value them more than we do. And
yet you looked at several departments and each and every
one of them was hopeless.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
So how do you balance those two us? Yeah, I
don't think they were completely hopeless, so it challenges there
are lesson for them to be learned.

Speaker 17 (17:29):
But we can never have this situation occur again.

Speaker 15 (17:33):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Baby's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Good afternoon, it is twenty seven past one, and we've
asked the question, if you were aged between twenty five
and forty six, are you thinking of jumping the ditch
to set up life over there. This is on the
back of the Insight Economics column where Liam Dan dug
down into the migration numbers and found that that age
group saw record levels of migration last year. Yeah, and

(17:58):
secondary topic.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I was big up in New Zealand's best ATR pilot,
Captain Scott Buttery. A lot of love coming through for him. Agreed,
Buttery is the best. Some people asking what the atrs
are or there there, You've probably been on one. They're
the in New Zealand propeller planes that have the wings
up the top, up the top.

Speaker 18 (18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Ye, beautiful, fantastictiful aircraft.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Fantastic workforce playing. Yeah, real real backbone of rural flying
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
All right, let's go to rob you guys, telling you
very good.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
So sun and sex.

Speaker 17 (18:31):
Makes one we had relate to the conversation. But yeah,
there was actually there's actually been a few more of them.
They were all in their mid to late twenties. Some
have gone for Australia, some have gone from the UK.
All but one left without jobs. All jumped into good jobs.
Lifestyle climate worked like bella, cost of living, sunshine, all

(19:00):
those things that there are the callers have talked about
absolutely prevalent and decision making and the guys who's gone
to Australia that the weight is significantly better than renuation
on top their ability to get leave, their ability to
travel to basically for a cheap week in a way. Uh,

(19:24):
it just it just doesn't stop that they continue to
rave about it. And seriously, there's there's a bunch of
them now all are some professional some trade quite fines
that we've lost and I think we've lost a few
of them forever.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, it's concerning Rob. Do you mind me asking how
old you are?

Speaker 17 (19:41):
I'm fifty seven, So I've done my traveling. I've done
like that and my kids are now doing their adventures
and buts and pieces.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
But so what made you come back? What made you
come back to New Zealand? Rob? You you went over?

Speaker 17 (19:53):
The family was the thing for us as I was
a place to bring up our kids and do that
sort of thing. That's what it was all about for
us as a family.

Speaker 19 (20:04):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (20:05):
But that's that's it. Hey, look at it's a decade
or so are going now. So it's totally different to
the precious young people are facing but week visited Earth
in August last year, just drove up the coast thirty
k out of the center of Perth, and there houses
on the coast you can buy four bedrooms from one

(20:25):
hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
So, Rob, do you think your son's going to come
back at any point?

Speaker 12 (20:33):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (20:34):
Look, yes, we obviously hope. So one day, maybe there's grandchildren,
one day, maybe that there's a significant other partner in
his life as well. That may have, of course been
the not a Kiwi so but yeah, look, but that drain.
I think it's that experience. But it's it's it's just

(20:58):
straight everything. It seems to tick every box with this guy.
Like they didn't. It wasn't to sort of wake up
one Monday morning boocket ticket from Friday. These guys they
talked about it. They're always around home chatting over a
barbecue about what they should be doing. And they planned it.
They did the swat A analysis, they did all the

(21:21):
stuff that they're trained to do and analyze it and
critically think about it, and there's just no reason for
them to stay.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, you mentioned there before, Rob that maybe he'll have
children and grandkids will come into the equation. Does that
worry you, because I think a lot of people will
be listening. That would be a real worry, right that
That is the heartbreak when your children leave and set
up life overseas. That then it becomes harder for you
to spend time with the grandkids and the family is
kind of separated.

Speaker 17 (21:50):
That's difficult, absolutely, and my wife will not take that
very well at all. But hey, we'll just spend the
kid's inheritance on you there around look at you do
what you do because your children your priority doesn't matter
whether they are they're six months old or twenty six

(22:13):
years old. They're still a very important part. And you'll
do it and it needs to be done. But you've
got to. They're making their way in the world and
they're trying different things, and they're finding that.

Speaker 8 (22:24):
The going is easiers.

Speaker 17 (22:25):
Are in a number of countries, not just Australia, in
a number of countries around the world where they seem
to value that generation or that age group perhaps better
than we value them. I don't I don't know if
it's a true statement or not, but sometimes it feels
like that.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, And what about do you know of any people
in the you know in this article? Says, a record
amounts of people above the age of your son and
as mates going over their people in their thirties and forties.
Is that something you're seeing at all? Older people heading over.

Speaker 17 (22:59):
In my profession a little bit because they chase a
slightly different style and work. But yeah, more in that
mid thirty age group, but not a lot, to be honest,
and only sort of in the circles I mix was.
I haven't seen it in any other professions, though you
hear about it anecdotally, and monks, nurses and teachers and

(23:23):
doctors and so forth, chasing better money, better work conditions,
better rosters, less fatigue, blah blah blah blah blah, all
those all those important things, and you see us lose
very good people.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, rob
great call.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I mean, kids are heartbreakers, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
You care so much, you do everything to bring them up,
and then suddenly they're eighteen, they're like, you know what,
I might go overseas and not see.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
You very often.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, probably won't be back for a few Christmas.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Data Well I mentioned that to Robber, is that my
older brother just had his first child with his partner
who he's a Newcastle in Australia, and it breaks mum's heart.
I mean she adores Hunter as his name and absolutely
adores Hunter first grandchildren. Of course she would, but it's
very difficult for her because she doesn't actually have the
money right now to go over to newcast every couple

(24:12):
of months. She's still working, so that's incredibly tougher. And
she's trying to convince still a mild bro to come
back to New Zealand, but he won't. He's set up
shopping Australia where you will not come back.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's why I say, my kids, you're not leaving the country.
You're not leaving the house. You're not going flatting. You
stay upstairs, bring your family up up there, Bring meet
a nice girl, go up there and have four.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Kids and you're up in your room up there. To
be fine. We'll be together forever. That needs to catch on.
That is a strategy to keep these kids in New Zealand.
Don't leave me. Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Headlines with Raylene coming.

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The brain drain stats reveal an alarming exodus of older workers.
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Speaker 3 (26:06):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, And that's exactly what we
talk talking about.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, the exodus of older workers in New Zealand. So
if you're planning to leave and you're in your thirties,
forties or fifties, we'd love to hear from you on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, or if you know
people that have, or if you.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Left in that age group and came back. Yeah, some
great teats coming through on nine two nine two guys.
My married kids have moved to New South Wales primarily
for schooling and for workers. Schools here are so bad
and they get paid so much more over there. The
beaches are incredible as well.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
From Alie, all right, okay, but let him want to
tend this hour into just like and move to Australia.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, we still love this country. Come on, I love
it here too, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
But then again, I've got this great job then after
knows jon Zi'd be Yeah, they'd never take me in
Australia for this job.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Is that rear?

Speaker 21 (26:57):
That's great?

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Hi?

Speaker 22 (26:58):
How are you going?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Very good? Nice to chat with you. What's your story?

Speaker 22 (27:02):
We I'm in my mid thirties and I saw the
demographics that you're trying to read. But we are in
the middle of moving to Australia now and partly majority
of the things work out by scholars, And I would
like to say it was a very tough decision for
us to do that because I first immigrated here about
eighteen years ago.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
And.

Speaker 22 (27:25):
The challenge of moving to a new countries, I it's
very difficult. But then looking at the current conditions here
in New Zealand, it just made the decision a bit
easier for us. And when I say easier in terms
of as an example, majority of my friends or in
fact all of them, they've all moved to Australia and
they are saying nothing but nice things since they've been there.

(27:47):
A couple of our friends who've been living in New
Zealand for a very long time, you can say, twenty
plus years, it was difficult for them to buy a
house here and they've moved their three months and they've
purchased their house. So when you hear stories like these
from different different people, you don't kind of take them
very seriously. But when you see people around you and

(28:09):
things are happening with them, you're kind of take them
very seriously, and I think that was a huge factor
for us to kind of change our minds.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Do you have to do?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
You have work organized over there? Are you going over
to jobs? Are you going to go over and try
and sort things out when.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
You get there?

Speaker 22 (28:25):
It's very easy to in fact find work there. So
in the profession that I do, the job that I
do here, it was so difficult. It was so difficult
to change jobs here. And I couldn't understand why because
I have a lot of experience working in the AZALM.
But I applied for three jobs there and I heard
back from all of them, the three and I got one. Wow,

(28:46):
So it was a choice for me to choose out
of the three.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
What what industry are you in? If you don't mind
me asking.

Speaker 22 (28:54):
I'm in the logistics industry.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Logistics industry, it's skilled, very skilled. So was it almost
like the snowball effect for you Rea that you saw
more and more friends going over there, which in turn
made it easier for you guys to make the jump
because you had that support structure and friends already set
up shop in Australia.

Speaker 22 (29:13):
In a way that is correct. Previously I was like
I Okay, they want to go, they can go. Because
I love New Zealand quite a lot, I'll be very honest.
That's the reason why I initially moved here. And when
all of them went there, and then I saw certain
conditions happening here and then the job market, different things
were factors, and then all of them moved there and
you see things were easier there. Then you start to

(29:35):
question yourself as well as like, hey, am I just
staying here for the love of New Zealand or do
you want to progress in certain fields and move over there?
And that's the best option right now? So in a way, yes,
and having that supper system there was also quite huge
for us that okay, we will go there, won't just
be like a new countrary don't know anyone else where.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Did you move to New Zealand from?

Speaker 22 (29:57):
Oh I moved from India and would.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You ever move back to India.

Speaker 22 (30:02):
I'm considering that as well, So it depends. But there
was a choice between India and Australia. So in terms
of the culture, Australia is quite similar to New Zealand,
so that was an easy choice for us. But moving
back to India, I'm not too sure. At the stage.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Do you have kids?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I don't, right, Okay, it makes a bit easier, doesn't
it in terms of people pulling them out of school
and such?

Speaker 22 (30:26):
Yeah, definitely, But no I do have other kids. I
have my four babies. Yeah, so they're there there.

Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh, well, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Very interesting. I mean it is, you know, sadly, it
is the case that if you with someone like Rhea,
you don't have children yet, and you're thirty five years old,
and you've had a choice of three which sounds like
pretty good jobs, but then you have more and more
friends moving over there. It is a snowball effect, right,
The reasons to stay in New Zealand get harder and harder.
As much as you might love this country, and hopefully

(30:58):
we do love this country, the Paul, it just gets
too strong.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
We're a couple with two kids in our late thirties
with senior positions. However, we will likely move to Ossie soon.
Until New Zealand's two poppy syndrome and lack of ambition
and schooling improves, more people will keep leaving. It's higher paid,
better schooling, and Australia is more ambitious and encourages people
to actually think forward the near planning. Their road planning

(31:22):
is better. N ZTA is a disaster.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
That's from Sam. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I mean what I've got to say is grass is
always green with the Yeah. And often when people migrate
to another country, they leave behind a lot of the.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Baggage that they have for the country that.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
They're in and they just knuckle down.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
And make their way in that country.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You don't feel like you're owed anything in the country
that you move to, and you just have to double
down and get it on.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
But like if after.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Twenty years talk to me, and I think you'll probably
find that there's plenty of problems in Australia. There's plenty
of those. I mean, you just have to listen to
any of the political dialogue out of Australia. You don't
hear too many of them saying everything's going fantastic over there.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, I mean jim My older bro. As much as
you love newcast Where, every time I have a chat
with him, he's always complaining about something going on in Aussie. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is sixteen minutes to two. Beggary shortly the.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
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Speaker 6 (32:22):
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Speaker 3 (32:29):
They'd be thirteen to two.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
We're talking about new figures around the amount of people
leaving New Zealand and people in their thirties and forties
and even fifties are leaving in record numbers. Rodney, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 11 (32:46):
Oh hi, yeah, yeah, just I need storing up Danny
Watson years ago and swimming. But you guys are doing
a good job Rodney.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Big Danny.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
But Jenny Watson fan me. Yeah, I still love I
still love Danny Watson. When I was a kid, I
watched him on What Now. Yeah, fantastic good man, great man.

Speaker 11 (33:03):
Oh he's a karate guy.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
He is a karate guy. Yeah, you're a karate guy.

Speaker 18 (33:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
He did say though, but I was a border camp.
But one of my step brothers he went in over
in Devonport. He was a boxer. He was half Moldy
Horris Dominic Light and he trained and got his back
doubt within two years. He brought all the.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Record Now that was my fault, Rodney sidetrack us. But
he will get back to the topic. So your son
he left the country in what last year was it?

Speaker 8 (33:34):
No?

Speaker 11 (33:35):
He lived in twenty sixteen, in April after the financial
yearned he was turning twenty five and July the twenty
sevens his birthday. Yeah, So he was a builder here
the catalogs he was a builder and he's skid about
so he'd been building since he had school sixteen. He
for eight years. He was getting about forty four forty

(33:57):
five dollars an hour. So I need to take him
to the Gold Coast because we've got family cousins over
there a lot in Brisbane when he was young. Anyway,
he got a job there and he was started on
sixty five dollars an hour. Yeah, in Crime and Gold
Coast here right yep. So he worked from until two
thousand and nineteen, the start of it, so he did

(34:19):
two and a half years and then that's two and
a half years. As wages went out, he used to
get pray roses of a dollar dollar fifty now every
six months because he was really reliable and efficient, so
they really rewarded him. He was on about seventy four
seventy five dollars an hour. Right, he used to work
long hours man, so it was all good, but you
know the cost of living can be more expensive in

(34:41):
Australia depends were your shop. And now he went into
business with a Kiwi guy, right, and an Australian guy
over there at this before COVID it started. He started
in twenty nineteen, right, So he's been in there and
he's still doing it now. He's got a Kii missus
and you met over there because he's lots of Kelly's

(35:03):
living in Gold Coast three hundred thousand or something on
brilin than that. Yeah, he's I've been in business now
and he makes a killing, three of them and they
make you know, seven eight hundred thousand, are trying to
get to a million turnover. They work all around Gold
Coach in Brisbane, so he's making five or six thousand
turnover and.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
You just don't think that would have been possible for
him to do that here in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (35:29):
Yeah he probably could. Yeah he can, yeah, because you
know you can when you've got the qualifications.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Is he ever coming back Rodney?

Speaker 11 (35:39):
Do you think, yeah, I'll just get to that. So
he reckons because this new government. He really likes the
new especially you know businessman Luxing, right, he likes the
way and he reckons. If this government gets elected in
the extenty he's coming back in two twenty three and
he's got like more than a million dollars in the bank.
His wife works for Fox, likes Gyde TV, and they've

(36:02):
just been saving and saving. He's got enough money he's
going to buy a lifestyle block.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (36:09):
So he's going to come back of this government wins within.
I'm trying to trust his own because he wants he's
thirty five and July and his wife's about thirty.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
You know what, I have kids, right.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Good stuff, Okay, we got there.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
There you go. Successful.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
He's been successful, but he's coming back a certain political result.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
It's as well and bring us million dollar business. Yeah, yeah, good,
that's what we want. Thank you, Rodney. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty. We've got to take a break now.
Actually it is nine minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Mattie's Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty matt and Tayler Afternoon with the Volvo
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Speaker 3 (36:51):
BE news Talk said, be it is six to two.
Hey you, Jenny, Oh.

Speaker 19 (36:56):
Good, thank you, he's I was wondering does anyone actually
stop to ask how Australia uses New Zealand in so
many ways because they're a big at Richard country and
mainly because of the mine in which they don't need
to worry about the environments and they just do it
and therefore they can pay high wages and so they're concerned.

(37:17):
We'll have your doctors, your nurses, your police engineers, and
I just think they don't really care about New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (37:26):
They just.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Australia, so they care about Australia. So I guess we
have to find out a way to keep our country
a place where our younger people and even there's those
in their cities four and fifties want to stay here.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And how do we do that? Genny? Have you got
any ideas well?

Speaker 19 (37:46):
I think the government's on the right track with what
they're doing and getting more businesses here with people from
overseas with money and opening up the red tape and
that sort of thing. But for instance, the four main
banks Australian owned banks, they charge high rates to New

(38:07):
Zealanders and they do to their people the five ozero ones.
They I think they're called five o ones. I don't
quite no way, but they're sending people back who've done crimes,
many of them who went over there as babies and
even small children. Therefore they looked their crimes and when
they're in Australia. Yeah, and the worst criminal of all

(38:28):
is the most expensive musk murderer, who was an Australian.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for your call, Jenny.
But I mean that's Australia's prerogative to use us to
grab our police officers and our nurses. But New Zealand
used to be a place that people really wanted to
migrate to, used to be a place where people were
not quite crawling over broken glass, but doing everything they
could to be here. And we need to get back
to that state.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
The land of Elkon, Honey, We need to get back
to that. I mean a money talks, That's what it
comes down to for a lot of young people, right.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Money and opportunities, yeah, but also adventure.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah yeah, great discussion. Thank you very much for all
your phone calls and techs. We're going to float something
new after two o'clock, something you're really interested in because
you've never done it.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I'm very excited about this jury service. Is it your
obligation to do it for your country?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Get it now because we've already had a heap of
tix on this one. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call and nine two nine two
is the text number. New Sport and Weather on. It's
way great to have your company. As always, you're listening
to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 16 (39:27):
Good afternoon, talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoon with the Volvo
XC ninety US Talks.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
MB Good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Seven past too.
It's on the back of a review into our justice
system that's looking at a wide range of things in
relation to victims, to witnesses to jury service. But that
is what we want to focus on for the next
week while because you read that story.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, and I thought, I've never done jury service. I
want to do jury service. I'd love to do it,
and it's kind of our obligation if you're if you're
a New Zealander, you're a citizen here. For the justice
system to work, we have to we have to do at
some point in our life, and you'd imagine a couple
of times.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Do jury service.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
So when you get asked to do it, should you
move how in high water so you can do it,
or like a lot of us do, try and get
out of it.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Try and get out of it. You try and get
out of it.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
You have you been asked because one hundred and thirty
thousand people getting a letter each year asking to, you know,
to be part of a.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Jury I got asked last year to be part of
jury service. And that's the first time I have been
asked because traditionally, in my former life as a journalist,
I thought I was exempt because I was part of
some of these court trials. And if you've got inside
a knowledge, or you're a reporter, go into these court trials,
which you shouldn't be able to do jury service.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
What are you saying you were some kind of reporter? Yeah,
weren't you just the producer on the show?

Speaker 3 (41:14):
How No, how are you more than that?

Speaker 23 (41:16):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Last year I was the producer. But going back in time,
I was a reporter and that was enough for you.
To get out of Duris service. Well it was until
that point. Then when I got the letter last year,
and I still tried to say, hey, I'm in media,
I've got inside and knowledge about what happens in the court,
you know, in the court room and some of these trials,
whether or not that was true for the particular trial
I was called for, but it didn't matter, didn't matter.

(41:39):
I still had to go down. I got a letter
from the company saying that we think Tyler should be
excused because he is part of the news media, which
could be a conflict of interest, but which could be
a conflict of interest. But that didn't matter. So I
still had to go down to the christ Chote court
every morning at eight o'clock and we sat there waiting
for our trial to be called. So that was having

(41:59):
to three three mornings.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Three mornings, and then you didn't get called into.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
A Duris no, no, no. So the first couple of
mornings we'd sit with the reach and that'd serve us
coffee and a cookie if we were there for long enough,
which is kind of nice. But we'd be there for
about an hour and a half before the register would
say it's not going to be called today, Can you
come back the same time tomorrow? Repeat that? And then
on the third day we got called up to the
actual courtroom. So the judge is there, You've got the

(42:25):
person convicted of the or been trial for the crime,
and the lawyers and so then they start the jury
selection at that point, and that is when they go
through each of the names and you either get a
challenge or you don't get a challenge. Challenge, No, didn't
get to me. In the end, I didn't get to
you there. So there would have been approximately fifty of

(42:47):
us and they only needed twelve.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Right, So you tried to get out of it, but
you failed. Yeah, So I'm saying you're a bad person,
bad person because I think that is your obligation to
do it and go in there with an open heart
and not try and slive the your way out of it,
because otherwise you're stabbing in a justice system in the back.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Mate. I hear your logic, and I love your zeal
for justice, your zeal for justice and pride for this
country and looking after the systems that we hold hold there.
But there's a couple of reasons why I think people
try to get out of it. And why I try
to get out of it. And this texture is just
pinpointed the key one thirty five bucks they pay you

(43:23):
a day. How are you going to get the best
of the best of society, clever people who have had
experience and sound mind and logical thinking if you pay
them thirty five bucks a day to sit on a jury.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point. And that's what
happened to Socrates, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Did he get paid thirty five shekels?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
No? No, that's why Socrates was forced to eat hemlock.
Because the only people that went on juries in ancient
Greek back then were retired soldiers, and so he was
a large a large room of angry old soldiers that
hated him because he was a bit of a sort
of vagrant. But anyway I'm taking I'm bringing.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, we should have learned a lesson three thousand years
ago that come on.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, well, those guys that committed Socrates to death they
suffered a huge price afterwards, because everyone was like, oh yeah, yea,
they came back from the jobs. I mean, what you've
sent its Socrates to death? But what about the Socratic questioning?
He was a great old guy walking around. Ethan's punishing
people with this chat. Now you put them to death
anyway by the bye.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Well, so, I mean that's a question I went under
an eighty ten eighty. Does there need to be a
bit of a review of the jury service or do
you as Matt says, you just need to do your
duty as a New Zealander and as yeah, and I
want to, but I don't get asked to do it.
For some reason. If there's one hundred and.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Thirty thousand people being asked to you, I'm not sure
why I'm not getting.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Asked to do it.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I would love to stand up and do my bit
for justice, but would like to hear from you. Do
you think that you owe your country to do it
and to take whatever sacrifice that is, even if it
is it takes you a bit of a hit and
makes it very difficult to do your job. And I
know if you say you're a builder and you're up
against it and you're on a site or you know,
like a farmer or something ye where things had to happen,

(44:57):
you can see why it'd be very hard to do it.
And you know, sacrifices are harder for some people than others.
But I feel we should tend towards sacrificing something for
the good of our justice system, don't you. And also
like to different people that have done jury service and
their experiences on on juries and or the experience I'm
not getting on juries for whatever reason, if they if

(45:17):
they didn't, if they didn't get packed. Oh, e one
hundred and eighty ten eighties. The number nineteen nine two
is the text number.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I wonder why you haven't been called yet. There must
be a black black mark against your name every time?

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh, we've pulled Matt Heath again. I've been I've been
in this country a long time. I've been a citizen
for a very long time. You think they would have
I'm just the kind of person that I reckon. I'd
be a great head of the juror.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, jury, I tell you you're the foreman. Yeah, people,
Matt Heath as your foreman. I would I want to
be the foreman. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighties and number to call it. Hey, if you're if
you're the people that pulls out the who becomes a
jury or gets called for jury. Yeah, if you're listening
right now, Matt is keen to do it, so just
pull his name out of the ballot next time.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And also just on the off chance that we've got
someone listening right now that picks who goes in the jury,
you know, em barristers and such. Be interesting to hear.
What makes you pick someone to be in a jury
when it gets to that point, or denies them? Good
call one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two
is the text number thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
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Speaker 6 (46:24):
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Speaker 3 (46:26):
Talk said, be good afternoon. It is quarter past two,
and we're talking about jury service on the back of
a wide, raging review into our justice system. But it
was more for you, Matt, that you have never been
on a jury, never been asked.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Guys, I'm desperate to go on a jury, as is
my civic duty. At forty seven years old, I've never
been summoned. My wife had has had at least twelve
summons over the years, always gets out of it. Dan Hi, Matt,
You're not the only one. I'm fifty two years old,
I've never been called Hi, guys, I'm the same as
you met. I'm fifty six years old, never been asked

(47:00):
to do jurysrus. I would be happy to do it.
No idea why some of us have been left.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
What is the process? Is it like a lot of
Is it like a ruler? They just pull a name
out of a hat and think, Okayred.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Thirty thousand people get the letter a year, so you know,
I've been around the sun a few times. You think
ould have got it, Susan, Welcome to the show. You've
got Juris service on Monday? Is that correct?

Speaker 21 (47:21):
Yes, I do, and I am going to turn up.
But I want to do everything I can to not
be selected because a few reasons. I have a few
friends who have been on juries that have been pretty gruesome,
like murders for example, or rape cases, and they can't

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unsee it.

Speaker 18 (47:43):
Just to this day.

Speaker 21 (47:44):
They are just members of the public who are not
trained to be exposed to that level of trauma, and
they still carry that pile with them.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do you think, Susan, that's part of our duty as
a New Zealand, as a member of the society.

Speaker 21 (48:00):
With the justice we had, part of your duty to
be exposed to somebody else's rape case, someone who's well.
Isn't that what we have judges for?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, but Susan, we believe in and you know, the
system where we're judged by a jury of our peers.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Do you see value in.

Speaker 21 (48:18):
That in professional juries like they do in the states
that actually are aware and trained to deal with these situations.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
I'm not opposed to that professional juries because you're you know.

Speaker 21 (48:30):
Because if you're just a Joe Blogs member of the
public and you know, you don't, Yeah, they still can't
unsee what they saw. So you're then creating a ripple
effect of another victim that has to re expose to
that trauma.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, but I guess so, I guess, Susan. The problem
with that is, though, if you if we're appointing jurors,
then that becomes a class of people that decide what
happens to people. Whereas the beauty of the jury system
is it is all of us get to go and
have our say at some point, and so you can
get judged by other people. Otherwise they become almost political appointments,

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don't they. If it so, who would decide who the
jurors word Susan.

Speaker 21 (49:11):
Yeah, well, I'm all for civil duty, like I'm a JP, right,
I believe in the incident. I believe in this. You
appreciate it, So I can't actually, but I will still
do everything I can. The other reason that I don't
want to attend it is because if as a jury,
for example, we found the defendant guilty. For example, what

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if I don't agree with the sentencing. What if the
sentencing is so light as it is in so many
cases as we continually shake our head about in this country,
what is the sentencing is so light that I just
can't believe the outcome.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, well, like you, you just have to do. You
just have to do what you thought was right. You'd
have to put your case across to the other jurors,
and then you can't control the whole justice system. You
would have to just be the best you could be.
Is the cog you are in the system?

Speaker 21 (50:00):
Season Yeah that's true. But then if the sentencing is
so incredibly light, that just makes me shake my head
at the whole justice system. I have so little faith
in our sentencing system that I don't want to be
a part of it. And I should be able to
say I have so little faith in our sentencing system

(50:22):
that I don't want to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
So you're going in on Monday.

Speaker 21 (50:25):
What are you doing in on Monday?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Did you write anything because you can request to be
exempt from jury service? Did you try that path when
the leader came, No.

Speaker 8 (50:36):
I didn't.

Speaker 21 (50:37):
I'm going to go in person and make it known
with my voice.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
You're given the way to chat to the judge, right,
so are you going to make it.

Speaker 21 (50:46):
Right to wait and chat to the judge and just say,
you know, I'm sure that judge is totally across every
single thing in the news media. You don't even have
to you don't have to do anything to knock the
top off the amount of ridiculous weak as sentencing cases
that this country delivers. And I will, and I believe
that I should have a right to say I have

(51:07):
faith in the legal city, I want to participate, or
I don't have faith in this legal system, particularly the
sentencing and I should have a right not to participate.

Speaker 14 (51:15):
I have it.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
I'm already a JP.

Speaker 21 (51:17):
It's not about civil duty.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, I will.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Thank you so much for your cool Susan. Be interesting
to see how it goes. Get hold of us when
you've when you've been and see how see what the
judge did to you? Will will will you bring us
back after? I'd love to love, love to hear how.

Speaker 21 (51:31):
I'm telling you in Monday afternoon saying I got my march.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
That okay, I thank you very much. See I can
I can understand with the first points that if you
ask someone who doesn't want to be subjected to video
or photographs or evidence related to some pretty heinous crimes,
that may taint your judgment when trying to decide but
someone's guilty or inness.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
But I would say that that you're just putting that
onto some other New Zealand citizen that has to do it.
So you're saying I don't want to see that, but
someone has to see it.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Maybe it's I think that I would. I would do
it if I got caught up to the jury and
it was a pretty heenous crime, I would still sit
through it and do my duty because I have been
called up to do that and you've got someone's life
in your hands. But if you were someone that is
so squeamish about those things and you just turn a
blind eye, or indeed it tain'ts your view that you've

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seen some keeness photographs something of course guilty.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
A lot of people were squeamish about blood but still
went to World War One and World War Two.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
They were the best of us.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Sometimes you just have to do things that are tough
for the good of your country, and the justice system
is something that we need. So if you're asked to
stand up, then I believe you have to stand up.
Whether it's going to be want you for the rest
of your life or not. We have to make sacrifices
for our country.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
What about our last part. I don't know if I
can agree with the last part. And yes, I get
there's some being some some really lightweight sentencing, but that's
out of your hands. You've done your duty at that
point and that's you know, you can't take responsibility for
what the judge does.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Nigel, your thoughts on jury service.

Speaker 24 (53:00):
Hey, guys, completely agree with Susan. I hit a cobber
who was a teacher, and he had to go and
look at images of a woman that was the same
age as his mother. She's been beaten, black and blue raped,
and they saw the pictures and basically the guy changes
his verdict or changes plea rather halfway through, but he said,

(53:22):
I couldn't unsee that. But I've got a slight other
take on it is that your employer is not obligated
to pay you whilst you're away. Now, the court will
pay you thirty one dollars per half day for the
first five days.

Speaker 18 (53:36):
That you're there.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Yep.

Speaker 24 (53:38):
Now, if you've got no sick days or holidays left,
you're getting sixty two dollars a day, and you know,
and then beyond that you can get forty dollars a
day or half day.

Speaker 13 (53:49):
Big whoop.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I guess that's part of the sacrifice, isn't it that
you're making for to be part of a country with
a justice system.

Speaker 11 (53:57):
Yep.

Speaker 24 (53:58):
Now you're a builder, you've signed a contract, you've got
the jury duty come up, you've deferred it for twelve months,
and you're a soul trader.

Speaker 11 (54:08):
You've got to do it.

Speaker 24 (54:09):
And suddenly you've got to then right into the court
and plead financial hardship to get out of it. You're
to fill out a whole lot of forms, and every
day that your contract runs over, you're getting penalized. So
that is a legitimate case that I know of.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, I can totally see that with a builder would
be terrible. And there's no doubt that it's not a
perfect system. But when you say it's the best system
we've got, I mean, what's the other possibility. We as
a country, we don't have enough money to pay people
their full wage when they're there. And yeah, I mean
it's so tough with people at farmers and builders, as

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I said before, because it's not just about the money,
it's about getting the job done and the time that
needs to be done around wather and around contracts and
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
But would you say, Nigel, we just haven't come up
with a better system than then a jury of your peers.

Speaker 24 (55:03):
Well, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I also have
been called up five times years.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
No, I know.

Speaker 24 (55:12):
It is literally a lottery. It is an electoral role.
And first three times my employe was able to get
me out of it. They changed the rules. You can
now only defer it up to twelve months and then
that's you know. I even when I went along there
was a woman who was about seven months pregnant, and
that Joe dismissed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she was

(55:36):
she knew she would be, but she still had to
turn up sign the name and actually went thank you.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
I having she had, well.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Thank you very much for your call, Nigel. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's horrific some of
the things you see. Is there something wrong with me?

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Though?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Is that if I had the juris service, And I
think I've probably watched too much, too many movies and
see us I but I would want to go to
one of them. I would want to go to a
high profile murder trial. That's what I'd want. I'd want
to be in the big picture. I don't want to
be part of the big game.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, I mean, you say that now, and I'm just
having to think about it. And and like I mentioned before,
I was a journalist for some years and covered quite
a few of those, some high profile murder cases. And
it started off as relatively exciting, but very quickly you realize, no,
this is crazy. And I was having some strange dreams.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I think I've got a romanticized version of it from
watching too many moves.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Well, we're still going to get you on a jury,
you know that's important.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But I put to myself in one of the twelve
Angry Men, one of the greatest movies of all time.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I've eight one hundred eight.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
This is retirees of the perfect juris life experience and
time on their hands.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah yeah, but good cool.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Look what they did is Socrates.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's twenty six past two.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
The twenty eight past two having a great discussion about
jury service.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I've got a bunch of texts and phone calls coming
through for the first time.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I agree with Matt.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Says this text out. That's this point I don't want
people agreeing with me one hundred percent. Degree is part
of our civic responsibility. I did juris surfy for duty
for a yucky attempted murder trial several years ago. It
wasn't pretty, and it's the same with the caller who
was freaked out by the evidence. But everyone still did
their job and did it really well. Made me proud
of our system. That's John from dened and thank you

(57:25):
so much for your text. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
If you don't do it because you say that people
shouldn't have to do it. Because of the horrible images.
They say that means you're just pushing it down the
track to the next person that comes through and will
do it. Yeah, it's I just think it's part of
being you know, if you want a justice system in
your country, then until we come up with a better
one than this, then it's going to involve all of

(57:47):
us doing it if we're asked to and can Someone says, well,
have three judges and majority rules, easy, Yeah, but who
appoints the judges? And that's what the beauty of the system.
It's twelve randomly selected. Well, it's not actually randomly selected,
because you know they can you know, get vetoed in
court whatever. But that's the basic principle of it, is
that you're getting judged by your fellow citizens. Yeah, as

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opposed to appointed judges.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Exactly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties And I'm
going to call Ian, how are.

Speaker 24 (58:15):
You hi, guys?

Speaker 25 (58:17):
Traevel?

Speaker 24 (58:18):
Thirteen years ago I did a trial in the Auckland
District Court that was set down for one week but
ended up going for two. So I think in those
days we were paid by our companies for the first week.
I'm not sure, and I just said listen, I'll have
the second week as holidays. I was keen to do

(58:39):
it a little bit like Matt. I thought it's my
civic duty to be part of the community and do
these sorts of things, whether I like it or not.
I was also interested in going through the process and
see what actually happened. And I was worried that I
was going to be unselected. You just basically stand up
and walk to the jury box. If you sit down,

(59:01):
you're in. They can appeal and you're out. Before that,
no questions asked anything. So I sat down, thought right,
I'm in, baby, And the trial was one of a
sexual nature. We spent a lot of time in the
jury room because of I was going to say points
of order, but it was points of law. We weren't

(59:23):
allowed to listen to the legal arguments. We were evicted
from the whole building twice because.

Speaker 11 (59:28):
Of bomb threats.

Speaker 24 (59:29):
Wow, wow, this is Yukland District Court. So we got
and there's a hotel around the back. We hung around
in the fire and there. It was interesting to watch
the two sorts of approaches of the prosecution and the defense,
and I thought the defense guy made them look Stupid's

(59:50):
because it wasn't a huge trial. I don't think the
prosecution had seen your lawyers on it. They didn't look
particularly old. But this defense guy, he was just onto it.
And anyway, it was thirty nine chargers in all. And
at the end of it we were retired to the
jury room. We had our verdict before we even got

(01:00:12):
the transcript. We had a verdict within an hour and so,
and it was not for the prosecution.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Right, and so did you have a discussion?

Speaker 24 (01:00:25):
And this young we had this young fellow on the jury.
He wore a tie, so he thought he was better
than the rest of us. And he worked worked in
a bank. So he elected himself as foreman. And when
we got in the jury room, he got up to
the white board and him he said, okay, let let's
start making a lesson. And I said, hang on, why

(01:00:46):
don't we just go round the room and see what
all of us think, and I'll start. So I gave
my reasons for not not guilty. And it went to
the next one, the next one, the next one, and
there were I think seven women on the jury, and
everyone was not guilty, everyone no shadow of a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Doubt, right, including the guy man being railroaded. Yeah, yeah,
interesting you didn't vote on the foreman in I mean,
you just let the young guys said right, I'm going
to take charge, and Yourn was heavy with that.

Speaker 24 (01:01:17):
Ah, let him have his fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
He was probably gutted that you took charge.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
He was the foreman and you went, now, let's go
around for the vote, and then you basically.

Speaker 24 (01:01:25):
Foreman becauson a foreman doesn't mean you're not an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
All right, Hey, thank you so much.

Speaker 18 (01:01:31):
Ian.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
That does brings something up with me. And like I've
been saying that the juris service. You know that the
system we've got isn't perfect, but it's the best we have.
But it seems to me that there is a problem
with it and that it's a contaminated sample. So if
you had someone powerful like me on the jury, I'm
going to influence people. But if like if say, if
there was one of me and eleven of you, Tyler,

(01:01:51):
then you're just going to go with my opinion because
I'm a powerful, forceful person. If you tried to say
on Foreman, the greatest movie, one of the greatest movies ever,
twelve angry men, you can influence other people So it
seems to me that a system would be better where
you had six groups of two. Otherwise you're getting that
the jury system is a contaminated sample. Maybe someone out
there on eight hundred and eighty three eighty three can

(01:02:13):
point out a problem with this argument, But it seems
like you are contaminated by the other person's opinion if
you have forceful people on that on the jury, if
you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
But if it was if it was six groups.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Of two and then you then that, then it's a
less contaminated sample. Yeah, you know, it's like you're putting
everything in the petri dish and then it's just getting
the bacteria everywhere, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Yeah, But I mean it's up to the foreman and
the jury as I understand it, and if you've been
on it recently, please let me know. But it's up
to them to determine how the system is rolled out. So,
if you want to have a system where you each
write on a piece of paper after you listen to
the evidence and make up your mind whether you think
it's guilty or innocent, and you want to keep it
somewhat secretive because of that very fact, I believe you

(01:02:59):
can do that. So if you're someone that is saying,
you know, yes, I agree, and really you don't and
you want to go with that system, and then you
can have what's called the hung jury, and I believe
in New Zealand you can't have a Hut jury. But
I still think one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Person still think more first forcible personalities will contaminate the
viewpoint of the other eleven. But I guess you could
argue that the lawyers have already contaminated the sample.

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and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about jury
service on the back of a wide, raging review into
the justice system. But some great texts coming through on
nine two point two.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Because I was saying, I think it's our civil duty
to try and do it if we can. But this
text O on nine two nine two makes a really
good point. I hope, hi boys. I think many of
us live in a community where we want to do
our service and we want to support the legal justice system.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
We have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
However, what happens if you're a young person with a
family who's paying two hundred a week for the mortgage
and you've packed to go on a jury for two
to three weeks, who then suffers because of the community
service you're performing. Yeah, I mean that's the big rub.
But I guess the thing is we just don't have
a better system. Interesting vow yours please?

Speaker 14 (01:05:34):
Hello? How are you be? Over twenty five years since?
I was on a jury and I went on and
it was about a young There was a couple of
people involved, but one in particular was getting sort of
picked on and he was riding a motorbike and it
was about a robbery at a bank, and they said
all these things, and the jury when it sort of

(01:05:55):
all finished talking, I said, no, he's not guilty, and
they all looked at me and said, yes he is.
And of course he rode a motorbike. I used to
ride a sort of a scooter and a motorbikes thing.
I had my motorbike license. I knew that what they
said he did he couldn't have done while riding a motorbike.
There would have been impossible, right, And I refused to

(01:06:16):
give in and it was like everybody was sort of
on me. Changed my mind and I wouldn't and I
just kept it like that, and then it just sort
of went out, and I don't know whether it went
to court again or what. I didn't really follow it.
But quite a while later, I don't know how they
should of know who's on the jury or not, this

(01:06:38):
young married guy came up to me and he said,
I just wanted to thank you, and I said what for.
He said, you wouldn't agree on the jury, would you?
And I said, were you riding that motorbike? I should
of saw you you look like that and he said yes.
And I said, well, I sort of rode a motorbike
and I know exactly what you can and can't do
when you're on one. And I said, you couldn't have
done that. He said I didn't. He said, but they

(01:06:59):
were trying to find me guilty. And yes, she said,
thank you, And I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Believe it for him. Lucky for him, you were on
there with your expertise.

Speaker 14 (01:07:12):
Yes, it's having that experience, I think, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Having that and being brave enough to stand up and
push your point across.

Speaker 14 (01:07:21):
Yes, took a berth I'll tell you that on my back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, on you, thank story, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
I think most people when they step into that jury room,
and I get your point that if there are strong
personalities within that jury to try and influence or they
they are better at influencing people than others. But when
you're in that particular environment, I think most people would
would stand up to their own convictions, wouldn't they. It's
a very different environment than general life. You've got the

(01:07:51):
judge coming in at certain times or providing advice on
how to read various evidence. I just think that particular
environment would would clap down on that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah. I don't know, but you don't know how much
you're being influenced or not influenced. And that's what I
mean by the contaminated sample. Yeah, because yeah, and not
everyone Like you're broadcast Tyler, so you probably feel very
comfortable talking in front of people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Some people aren't. Yeah, some people don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
You know, your point is that it is the best system.
We've got a lot of people are Texians asking me
what my favorite a version of the Twelve Angry Men.
It's got to be the original, not the Gallafini remake.
But also there's a great movie that Clint Eastwood's just
directed called Jury Jury Number two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Have you seen that? Oh, it's got Nicholas Houlton and
I haven't seen it. It's really good. Sorry, Juror number two.
It looks really good. I didn't realize you can.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Watch it on neon in New Zealand. Very very good
movie and the complexities of being on a jury.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, that's me this weekend. Right, we'll take more of
your calls very shortly. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you want to give us your story as well,
would love to hear from you. It is eighteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Three Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty tighty Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety tick every.

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
Box, seamless experience of weeds news talks in me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Good afternoon. It is a quarter to three. Some pretty
funny ticks coming through on nine to nine two. Actually,
this one is these guys. I was on a jury
and I picked the guy in a suit too, and
most people listen to me. Okay, good on you, Yeah,
good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Someone here sees Matt thinks that he would be Henry
Fonder and Twelve Angry Men he would have been Lee J.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Copp. That's a very specific I'm just googling that now.
See Henry Fonder Twelve Angry Men? Was he the pushy one?

Speaker 17 (01:09:39):
Was he?

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
He was the bush? No, Henry Fonder? Well, yeah, Lee J.
Cobb was the he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
He had a lot of prejuices, pregious prejudices that made
it diffult. Any It's a great movie if you if
you haven't seen it, Twelve Angry Men. It's from nineteen
fifty seven, but still one of the best movies that
has ever been made. It's not you know, old movies
from from that kind of era are often slow, Yeah,
but that this movie is not slow at all. It's
just brilliantly acted. A lot of cigarettes smoke in a
small room, but very very fast paced and a fantastic movie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Love it. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number
to call, Brian. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (01:10:13):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Good afternoon, guys?

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
Are you Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Good? Now you're going to be part of a jury
or you've been called up to head down to the
court in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Yeah, I've been called up again. Probably, Oh no, this
must be third force, maybe even first time over the
last decade or so. So I don't know how that
lottery is going. I don't win the other one, so maybe,
but apparently it's just off the electoral role, so I'll
just have to take them the word from that and
the Sumer name always coming up, so it's not the

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third or anything that say, hasn't been for about three
or four years, maybe since last time I was called
up in years to be able to just you know,
sort of say, you know, I'm busy at work or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
What's that? What's the downtime? Just quickly, Brian. If you
get called up and you serve on a jury, how
long can you not serve again? Is there a standdown period?
There must be.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
I think it's for at least two years. It's said
on the back form, you know, it said something like
the reasons you can't attend or you know, ticked the boxes,
and one of them I think said I previously served
on a jury within the last two years, right, whitched
them to hell a long time. But one of the
ones I was say in a number of points other

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people have been talking about which is similar. It's it's
about financial hardship. Possibly not so much mede with me,
because the employer actually in the contract will pay the
difference between whatever the court pays and whatever the you know,
your normal salary would be. So that's okay, that's covered.
But if you've got a life with kids and things

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like that, you got to take all that into account,
you know, you know, because this one said sort of
three weeks suggested at least there's that too. But also
I've always believed I've always said to people, you know,
when various staff have come up to me in the past,
you know, and said, you know, I've got jury service
and you know you write a letter and say, oh,
you can't you know, Jimmy's very important to the business

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or something like that. Yeah, but I've always thought they're
missing a real trip. There's such a pool of wisdom
and talent out there within the in the senior citizens
out there that are retired and things that would probably
love it, you know, a couple of weeks have gone
to a court case or something. Give them something to do.
But one of the check box is that it surprised

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me on the back of the form, which along with
you know, I've previously served time in a prison for
you know, previous criminal convictions those sort of things. Was
simply I am over sixty five.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah, if you if you're you could be permanently as
to be permanently, you don't have to give a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Yeah, well you just have to tick the box, you know,
send in some form of ID or verification that you're
able to six five and that's.

Speaker 18 (01:13:03):
What you've done.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Do you think it'd be a sort of an odd
situation though, if it was only retired people that were
judging cases, I mean, some of them, you know, I
know there's a lot of wisdom and people have a
sixty five, maybe there'll be maybe you sort of end
up in a situation where you're only being judged by
one part of society. And isn't the power of juries.

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It's that it's sort of people a jury of your
peers across all of us. You know, that's kind of
the strength of it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Yeah, I understand where you're coming from with that, But
I also understand that, you know, I mean, if they're
trying to fill juries in that that a portion could
you know, quite often be made up of what I'm
saying is is just simply saying, if you're over sixty five,
just pick the box and you're done with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, And I think there's I actually think
there's a problem of getting people over sixty five on
to jury service because there was a politician I forget
her name, but she was pushing to raise that age
from sixty five to seventy two because they couldn't get
enough of those people over sixty five. A lot of
them were just taking the box, saying that can't be bothered.

Speaker 17 (01:14:08):
I want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
You know a lot of people have sixty five. Now
I have to keep working. You know, hey, thank you
so much. Be called Brian, appreciate it, Matt. Some of
us have real world Some of us live in the
real world, Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
We have mortgages, rent to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Pay, and jury duty will put loads of people under
huge stress and pressure. Better system, in my opinion, would
be retired people and all volunteers. A lot of people
are saying this, plus you refer to Socrates. It's no
longer four hundred BC.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Mate, cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah, look, I agree, it's no longer four hundred BC.
But all I'm saying of the example of Socrates was
judged by people all because because all the other people
in Athens were off doing things, so it was only
retired soldiers that went along and judged him, and as
a result they got this. They were very harsh on him,
and he had to take him lot, and Socrates was
guilt right, Yeah, And the society really came down on

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those people because it was seen as a certain cohort
of Athenians choosing to put to death someone that wider
Athens didn't think had committed the crime.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
And that why the jury service, you know, is.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
What the lot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
That's the logic in having it from all people across
all ages and sexes and races and everything, every like
a jury of your peers.

Speaker 18 (01:15:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
I don't think it matters that it was ancient Greece.
I think most people can accept Socrates got a hard time.
You know, it's pretty unfair.

Speaker 8 (01:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I don't know if that was justice for old Socrates
stunt though he did. He look like he's stunt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
He didn't bathe, yeah, did he?

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Old beard?

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Speaker 26 (01:15:56):
Certainly it's a civic service, a civic volunteer and part
of a part of life that we've got to to serve.
I was on a jury craization. In fact, it was
had my sixtieth birthday on the Hype and Hamilton. So
age wasn't the problem I had heard. I was a farmer, farmaner,
but my employer sought as a service as well, and

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it was paid throughout the two week trial. Yeah, my
gripe was with the same as a gentleman a while
ago where he had the bank manager thought he was
going to be the jury, the chair of the jurors.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Yea, well, we.

Speaker 26 (01:16:36):
Had a young lady said she had done.

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
It for and.

Speaker 26 (01:16:41):
You know cases. There was forty nine cases against the
guy who was he was dominaring over five. But halfway
through it she admitted that she was going through a
bit and she'd be to be the chair of the jury,
and became a bit of a debarkle in there, and

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we had four hundred pages of transcripts. She wanted to
read every one of them. So we went around the
table like the guy before did yep, and we read
every every case out and when there was a sticky
point she wanted to read read the notes of that
particular case, we would write it on the board and

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eventually we ended up with about of the forty nine,
there was about eleven that were a bit sticky, and
I think those eleven took longer than the other thirty
of to find guilty events. Eventually some of them she
has refused to give in and was we he was
found guilty eleven to what eleven to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
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To get it sealed exactly. And now if you just
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Now if you hold it it goes right at the
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Terrible. But why would changing the battery effect that?

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Did you did it yourself though, I'm asking you, Tiler?

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Wait until Matt Bullen is here. He will sort y out.
That is in about twenty five minutes. But back to
our discussion about jury service, and we had Biddle on
the line.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Before, so I was saying that I think jury service
is your civil duty and you should try and do
it if you can. And we kind of to the system,
and I understand its complexities and people with different jobs.
It's a struggle, and you know you don't necessarily get
paid enough to do it. But Bill, when we left
your story, you had you were in the jury service
and a woman put up her hand to be the foreman,

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but she was going through a divorce and things got
really complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Is that right?

Speaker 17 (01:20:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:20:24):
Crazy? And you know why I ended up being the
person like the guy before, sort of getting a bit
of sense into it and sort of we as I said,
we read every forty or every forty nine cases charges
against him, and so eventually some of them were we
had to go back to the judge and say, well,

(01:20:44):
we can't agree on this one, will you take eleven
to one? And he did and it was I think
we worked out eventually that the guy that was who
has these charges against him was actually in jail for
the same for the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
All right, you found you found that out?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Afterwards?

Speaker 10 (01:21:02):
Well, we did, for we worked it out and we
sort of I didn't know that the prosecuting policeman, but
he actually came and spoke to a rotary meeting of
ours and I asked that question. He said he was
in jail for the same thing. And eventually like that's
that was six ladies or sixty eight women that he

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had taken control of their lives. And right, I think
he got nineteen years in the end, but it was.
But I think going back to I think that retirees
they're getting paid, you know, part of their services. Why
don't they I don't know why they cut it off
at fifty five Soon as I said sixty five, well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
They don't cut it off. But you can be permanent excuse.
You can be permanent excuse at sixty five of your
sixty five. That's a guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
You don't have to do it. You still can't, yeah,
if you want to.

Speaker 10 (01:21:55):
Yeah, And they're getting paid, so you're only part of
their service of getting paid this yea, you know, the
pension is is to go on. I'm I'm sure the
previous cause have said that there's a great source of
of people in that age group that have time on
their hands and the knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Yeah, do you think thirty five bucks a day is appropriate?
I mean surely they come up there a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:22:19):
Yeah, I'm sure there's a bit of a short fall there. Yeah.
I went to the Old Bailey forty five years ago
and talking to someone said about the case of that
stick in your mind. That case still sits. I was
only there for the afternoon. That case still stits in
my mind. From nineteen to seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Yeah, and so in you know, despite the woman who
took charge as the foreman, she wanted to read four
hundred pages out and she had some emotional problems that
were maybe affecting.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
How she saw the case.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
You still do you still you still believe you got
the right verdict?

Speaker 10 (01:22:56):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we were well twelve on most of them,
but eleven to one on others, like I wasn't there
wasn't a lot of them, but there was. But eventually
she saw that didncept the like but see our logic. Yeah,
but we're a cross section where I think we were
six ladies and six guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yeah, brilliant Bill. Yeah, I was talking for about contamination
in juries. And look, I'm not trying to change the system.
I'm sure there's reasons why this doesn't work. But got
this message here. I was contaminated on the jury when
I saw an indecent assault case fifteen years ago, one
or two ladies and the jury wanted a guilty verdict,
but another personality on the jury kept debating with them,

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and eventually they threw their hands up and said they
would just comply with the guilty verdict.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I still think about this this to this day.

Speaker 17 (01:23:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
So that's really what I'm saying is that strong personalities
can affect And you know, I keep talking about the
movie from nine than fifty seven twelve angry Men, where
they got to the right result in the end, but
you know, like a really strong personality can change someone's opinion.
And then years later the guy I don't know why
I did that, but I was I was dominated by
someone within the jury.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
You can get fackl juries.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Yeah, that's why I say maybe juries should be you know,
six groups of two so the contamination of really strong
personalities doesn't spread. But there'll be reasons why that isn't.
And interestingly, we've got this text here. It's really interesting.
It's talking about the French system. And I'm not going
to read the whole thing out, but you know they
have a mixture of judges and lay people, so and

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they will get a vote, so you you know, you
have experts within the within the jury, because if you
had all judges, as I said before, and some people
are suggesting in the jury, then the question is who
elects the judges and the political interference that could come in,
and then you've got these elite people that are deciding
justice on the rest of us, which I think I
think would cause problems for us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
The French system definitely has some merit just going on.
I mean, you said that you one want to be
part of a jury service because it is our civic
duty duty to be part of that. But also you
did mention that you kind of like the idea of
being being in the back room of quite a scandalous trial.
Why don't you just sit in on a trial because

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you can do that, You know that, anybody considering if
there is a big murder trial going on, you can
just sit in the public gallery and have a watch,
can you, if you so choose? Yeah, yeah, weird think
of it. If you're not reporting? What just like furious?

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yeah, that's kind of I guess, I guess it's kind
of a good thing to see, to see how the
system works.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Yeah, if you haven't been invited to be in a
jury like I have, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We've got plenty of calls
to get to. If you want to text three, you're
more than welcome nine two nine two. It is thirteen
past three News talks here. Be good afternoon to you.
We're talking about jury service and getting some great calls
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine

(01:25:45):
two is the text number as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Andy asked the question, what's the food and beverage service
like when you're on a jury?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Thanks you? Oh you didn't quite make it, did you
tail that?

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
I Tyler, Yeah, thank you? I Yeah, I think I've
seen them being taken out to the local cafe before. Yeah,
I don't know what if there's a per diem or
you know, they kind of cap it. If you want
to say, can I please have three expedited, I might
say no, that's above the budget of the court system.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Another question of nineteen niney two is why don't they
put people that are off work on acc on the
jury service. Well, going back to Socrates, a lot of
the people that were judging him had legs missing from war,
so that was kind of what happened there. But I'm
getting bogged down and Socrates, Greg, you were on a
murder trial.

Speaker 14 (01:26:31):
I was.

Speaker 25 (01:26:31):
I was about twenty twenty five years ago. We sat
through four days of testimony. The difference was we didn't
have to decide murder or manslat because the guy I
had already admitted killing him. We only had to decide murder,
and every time we were in the jury room we
would discuss it. Everybody said, look, there's no evidence to
convict them. But like the other guy before said, we
sat down when we were asked to retire and asked

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everybody what they thought, and it was nine to three
in favor of convicting them, and I just shook my
head and I said to them all this, guys said,
but you just said there's no evidence. So around them
and the reasoning was one guy, I said, well, he's
admitted killing him, so he must have been murdered him.
And I just said, what I and not just me,
but other people, that's not what we're here to decide. Finally,
in the end, we went back to the judge three times.

(01:27:17):
It was more of a technicality thing, and he was
not guilty of not a murder. But from that and
from what happened with the jury people and the way
they reacted, I would only ever choose a judge tile.
I would never choose a jury trial because the judge
only deals in facts and I don't. It just absolutely

(01:27:37):
shocked me. After spending a week now and then you know,
we were nine three, three not guilty and nine for guilty.
And after about four hours of liberation, somebody said, oh,
we've got to go back to the judge and tell
them we can't reach a vert and about four or
five put our hands up and said, no, that's not
even going to happen. At four hours, We've been here
a week we'll be here for another three full days

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if we can't decide before they even think about that,
and the guy said, we just asked. They're not the
guy who lets you in an out of court can
remember his name what he was doing, And he came
and said, I'm not even kind of judging. Asked that
because no charge, and we go home for that. So
I was shocked that as the discussions went on during
the week of the evidence that was given, that everybody

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thought that the police had no evidence to convict him
of murder, and he'd already admitted manslaughter. And then come
punch time, I was just like, oh my god, that
can't be what everybody was thinking. And then this woman
in the flash has changed, and you know, and of
course when you go into the jury room, the guys

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who's was murdered or was killed not murdered should I
say killed? Whose clothing was standing in the corner, and
nobody wanted to sit next to that, did they all?

Speaker 17 (01:28:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
So then they just to get this right, Greggs. So
in the end you were shocked with the way they
were going, But over time it came right, It came
right to what you thought, and people understood what they
were talking about a bit more as the time went on.

Speaker 25 (01:29:09):
Well, I think what happened was there was a couple
of us decided we needed to go back to get
some clarification on a single point. And basically the point
was A plus B plus C or A or C
or B if that makes sense. So all three headed
out up or it was just one and we went
back to the judge the first time. And we got
back in the jury room and half a dozen of

(01:29:30):
the people said, no, I see there, You're wrong, And
I said to them, did you not hear what the
judge say? We went back to that point three times,
and finally the judge you can see him rolling as
I spilled it out here as a bell. And we
went back to the jury room and even says, oh,
I know you're right about three of us. And it's like,
just I cannot believe that. Sorry, should I say the

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caliber of people there, I.

Speaker 11 (01:29:54):
Just would not cheat.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
That's the interesting thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
So it as a jury of your peers done, your
peers don't what is the brighter sparks? And also sometimes
the people that get selected you don't necessarily depending on
on the case, Sometimes the lawyers don't want to select
the smartest people, because you know they one side might
want smart people and one people might not depending on
the state of the the evidence.

Speaker 7 (01:30:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
So I mean that is the that's the scary part
of juries. But I mean, I guess what's the other
what's the other option?

Speaker 25 (01:30:25):
I mean, well, like they're doing a lot of countries,
judge only the good The good news is I've never
been called up again, so that's not so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
What was the food, like, Greg was lovely.

Speaker 25 (01:30:35):
We have sausage rolls and pies and all sorts of things.
I think a long time with that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Part of the system is working.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Ye, thanks to you call Greg. Yeah, great call. I
mean that's the thing. You know, when you have the
points of clarification with the judge, it's quite a big
thing because he's got to kick everybody out of the
courtroom and then have that clarification. If he's going to
do that more than once, yeah, that is a bad look.

Speaker 23 (01:31:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
And we're getting lots of text of people saying that
they were when they were in jurist service, they were
they were shocked with the quality of their fellow jurors.
But you might ask they might have been shocked with
your quality. You even know you might have been getting
it wrong yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Exactly. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
Back very surely, Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh
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Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Good afternoon, it is twenty four past three and we're
talking about jury service. Quick text to hear guys, jury service.
I'm sure there is a better way to choose duras
other than just randomly. I've lived in New Zealand for
twenty years and I have been a citizen for fifteen.
I am on my town's eleectoral role. Yet I have
never been called this despite knowing others who have been
called a few times. Perhaps allowing people to volunteer might

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work question mark. As an early retiree, I would be
more than happy to sit a couple of times a year,
and I'm sure there would be others willing to do so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I wonder if the reason why you can't volunteer is
to keep it very about like it's above accusations of corruption. Yeah,
so it has to be randomly selected, So it's a
random group of people that come together, even though they
then you know, can be objected to by the lawyers
and put through a process to get there. But I

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think I think that's the reason why.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Yeah, couldn't you get AI involved though? That if someone
has been selected, and like you, he has never been selected,
AI can do the job and say, hey, this guy
has never been selected, let's give him a shot.

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
AI.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Yeah, okay, you're already handed all over to our other lords. Ben,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (01:32:43):
Hello?

Speaker 13 (01:32:43):
Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
Thanks you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
So I thought, yeah you're going.

Speaker 13 (01:32:48):
Yeah, I think one of your texts has just beat
me till it. But yeah, acc when I've had a
couple of acc extended periods of time off work and
it'll just a you're at home on eighty percent anyway,
so Mars will serve your duty.

Speaker 18 (01:33:07):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah, I mean it seems seems to make sense. Although
I guess they might say that you're getting a certain
type of person who's dealing with a certain type of thing.
If you're if you're injured and you're acc you're across
certain cases, you might come with a certain perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
I think the random aspect of it is very important
to the system. But it does seem like if you
if you're on acc and you couldn't go to work,
that you'd probably you'd probably appreciate the opportunity to go
and do something.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Logical on paper. I just wonder about the Edmund Ben,
you know, because then if you're drugged up, then you
can't be part of jury if you can't get out
of bed, and so then you know, you've got to
get the sign off from the GP. Yep, Ben is
okay to jump on the jury. There's just a whole
bunch of bureaucracy there that just seems like a clogging up. Yeah,

(01:34:00):
thank if you cal Ben appreciate it. Quick couple of
texts and then we may wrap this one up because
we've got our mechanics standing by this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Texas says, you allow people to volunteer and then you
randomly slept from the volunteers. It's not complex, guys. It's
a lot more complex than that, because then you were
just picking from people that choose to volunteer, so it
wouldn't be random anymore.

Speaker 17 (01:34:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I love of people to say it's not complex, guys.
I'm not going to get into people that can't see
the complexities.

Speaker 14 (01:34:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Yeah, anyway, so what you're saying, Oh, i's just got
to read this one out. Guys, when talking about your peers,
you have to remember that fifty percent of the populations
below average.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Yeah, but it's the best system we've got. I mean,
you know, yes, it's got some flaws.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, but there's a all kinds of you know, some
people might be deemed not intelligent in one area, and
some people have street smarts, and some people have book smarts,
and you know, some people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
You know, that's what we are.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
It's just the system for.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
All of us. Yep. Like val you know, I'm not
judging her intelligence, but she was the only one on
that jury who rode a motorcycle, so she could see
where there was flaws in the evidence that it's just elite.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
So you're only picking people on IQ tests or only
people in certain walks of life, then I think that
becomes a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Yeah, good discussion, Thank you very much. Right, coming up,
we do have Matt Bullen. He has had thirty eight
years experience as a mechanic in the automotive industry. He's
worked for pretty much every franchise brand from the Japanese
through to the Europeans. He is brilliant and he will
be taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a mechanical problem, now is your opportunity

(01:35:31):
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Certainly are it is twenty eight to three? You talk?

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Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and good afternoon to you.
It is twenty eight to four and on the line
right now is Matt Bulland Matt has had thirty eight
years experience as a mechanic in the automotive industry. He
has worked for pretty much every car brand you can
think of, from the Japanese through the Europeans. You'll find
him at Excel Autos and Fakatana and once a month
he's going to be joining us here on the Matt

(01:37:24):
and Tyler Show to answer your questions about cars and
mechanical issues.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Get a Matt welcome to the show, and selfishly before
we get stuck, and I've got a quick question about
my car.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
Good afternoon, guys, Thank you jeh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
So, change the battery in my car. And now when
I put the the the windows up, they now bounce
off the top and come back down. And the only
way I can get it to go right up top
is go and ease it up. When it used to
just pull it and that would stop. And is that
related to is that related to me changing the battery?
It's a it's a twoenty and nineteen forward focus this

(01:37:59):
particular car.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Okay, you'll like everything that I'm plugging at the wall
and plug it back in. You'll need to do a
window reset most vehicles, if you turn the ignition on,
don't start the cards, turn the ignition on, wind the
window down, hold your finger on the button, go all
the way down, hold it, hold it when it gets
to the bottom for about five seconds, and then go

(01:38:23):
up and hold it when it gets to the top
for about five seconds, and that should reset the window.
Does it do it on all four.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Windows or just drives one just the driver and passenger?

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Yeah, okay, so you may have to do the passenger
side separately. But you may find that if you do
that driver's side, like hold that button down for five
seconds and then go all the way up and hold
it up as it's scott An auto window button, so
you can click it and it should go up. Yeah,
hold it up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
I'll do that. That's good that I don't have to
take other work. You've got my number exactly just quickly.
How would one do that? Change in a battery? That
sounds like Matt right cocked up here? I mean it
was bloody complex changing that battery.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Now, look a lot of things. There's a lot of cases,
a lot of yeah, a lot of stuff in there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Little motive will now self learn and when you when
you do change your battery, you lose everything that it's learned.
And that's why you have to reset your windows. There
may be other things that you'll find. But yeah, a
little while back, mitsis were really bad. If you change
the battery those store, you get to a round about
the store and you've got to just reset the idle

(01:39:31):
speak controls. You know, there's lots of things that will
need to be reset. Oh you're good, okay, Probably the
windows is the easy one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you got a
question for Matt, the mechanic here, I won't use his
time anymore, and lets take it to the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
I've heard your teasers and there's been some big claims made,
and you know, I'll start with a caveat no one
knows everything about anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Yes, yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
I'll do my best.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Okay, Yeah, we'll bring Wendy and Wendy, if you've got
a question.

Speaker 6 (01:40:00):
For Matt, yes I have.

Speaker 23 (01:40:03):
Thank you for chaking my query. We have a twenty
fifteen hundred jet and over the last week or so
we've been having a few problems starting it. It wouldn't
go first time, but if you left it for thirty
seconds or so, it would go. So we got the
AA out last night and they replaced the battery and
I've just been out today and again pushed the starter button.

(01:40:25):
Click clips, Nothing happened, and it did that a couple
of times. You leave it thirty seconds and it does go.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Okay, Hi, Wendy. Yeah, diagnosing cars on the phone is
very difficult. It's odd that if you leave it for
a little bit. Yeah, does it click like when you
put press the Startun't you hear any.

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
Clicking or yeah? It just goes click click, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
It sort of Yeah, it does sound like a flat battery,
but it could be a start a solnoid problem. Really,
someone's going to have to look at it, the diagnosis.
It really really needs to probably go. The best bit
would be to go to an auto electrician. Okay, okay,
you know that's that's a really difficult one with that, Wendy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
And you quite wrote. Man, it is always with our
expert segments, we've got to say that the advice offers Matt,
you're brilliant, we know that. But the advice offered on
radio was done in good faith and I should always
be confirmed by a physical inspection of your vehicle. Some
great taks coming as we missed along the line, or
she has no note, she's here.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
You're still there. Do you have a regular Do you
have a regular garage that you go to.

Speaker 23 (01:41:39):
I'll contact an auto electrician. I was going to take
a step to Honda, but you'll go to an auto electrician.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
If you have a regular garage, go there, Like it's
really important to build up a relationship with your mechanic.
What's your what's your service department?

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Well, because I've had.

Speaker 23 (01:41:54):
No problem, okay, thank you anyway, I appreciate it all
rights very much.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Wendy Quick text question here from Paul get A, Guys
and Matt, how do I now if my alternator is faulty?
Put a fully charged battery into my high ase fan
and it will go flat almost immediately. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Okay, so there must be a battery draw If it's
going flat really quickly, something's draining it. To test that,
you need an ant meter or you can test your
old matter with a vault meter. So, depending on what
you do for a living, whether you've got that sort
of gear again, it might be something you need to
go to an electrician for. If you put a vault
meter on it, when it's stationary, it'll be somewhere around

(01:42:41):
twelve twelve and a half volts, and with it running
it it should be up to thirteen and a half
fourteen and a half volts. If it goes up to that,
then you know your old mat is working. But if
it's just going flat, then something's on. You might have
a light in the boot on or a glove box light.
Something's drawing on it, and you can test that with

(01:43:02):
an ant meter if you've got one. But without knowing
the person that's asking the question whether they've got that
sort of gear. Yeah, it is a really easy one
to test.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Yeah, that's great, brilliant undred eighty ten eighty. You've got
a question for Matt the Mechanic will be back in
just a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Your new home of Afternoon Talk, Matt and Taylor Afternoon
with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

Speaker 6 (01:43:29):
Call News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
They'd be good Afternoon. We've got Matt Bullen on the line.
He has thirty eight years experience as a mechanic in
the automotive industry. Is part of our Ask the Experts series. Matt,
thank you very much for answering our callers questions.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
No worries. It got off to the line start.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Ye're still going.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
We've got so many calls and texts coming through it. Well,
it's quite an impressive response. But Michael, you've got a
question for Matt. Michael Hi, Michael, Yeah, you're there, Michael.

Speaker 18 (01:44:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Have you got a question for Matt?

Speaker 18 (01:44:08):
Yes, I have you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
Michael, go ahead.

Speaker 18 (01:44:12):
I've got a Ford Falcon out of the differ blown.
Now do I have to take the whole gift out?
I know I've got a new one.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
But hang on, I didn't quite hear what was blown.

Speaker 18 (01:44:26):
I've got a Ford Falcon yeah, and the DIFF blue.
So do I have to take the whole back end
off for the big wheels or can I just get
to the tiff?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Did you hear that meant so.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
You just gone? Okay, you will because you'll have to
pull the exles out. So yeah, you need to pull
the wheels, brakes and then draw the exles otherwise you
don't go to get the diff out.

Speaker 18 (01:44:53):
A mate, Yeah, I have to take the whole back
end of.

Speaker 6 (01:44:58):
It.

Speaker 18 (01:44:59):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Then is the disc got like twelve or fourteen sixteen
volts around the outside of the diff? Yeah, so it's
got a fight.

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
So yeah, once you don't do that, you'll you'll need
to pull the axles out because the exles go through
through this side side of it, so it won't actually
come out unless you pull the axles out. So yeah,
you need to pull the wheels, pull the brakes. Okay,
you don't need to pull.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
You don't need to pull with.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
The housing out Okay, Michael, I hope that helps. David,
you've got a question for Matt and mechanic.

Speaker 8 (01:45:36):
Yes, one tiler and two mates.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
My gosh, that's confusing.

Speaker 8 (01:45:42):
Yeah, mate, good there. Look, I've got a two thousand
and eight Jag x k R should be charged four
point two. I have an interneted problem with the touch screen,
which when it worked, when it's time that controls everything,
you know, climate, navigation, radio, all the months will happen

(01:46:04):
and it just freezes on the Jag logo. The We'll
not go into all the functions. I just by chance
worked out the by hop out of the car, closed
the door, locked the door like lakes and seconds hop
back in we start work. So I recommends a software

(01:46:25):
update problems or.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Something, Yeah, it could be. And again, have you changed
the battery recently?

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
What's that.

Speaker 11 (01:46:37):
Changed?

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
Have you changed the battery recently? David?

Speaker 8 (01:46:41):
No, haven't that Actually just came back to initial question
from the other mate about us. Every time I take
it in for servicing, the battery gets this connected and
every time, but I just haven't about the sequence A

(01:47:02):
buttons your press but this puntry. Maybe if I just
take it down to the Jake dealer and christ Church
and just say do I need to update the software
in the touch screen?

Speaker 13 (01:47:11):
What what year is it?

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
It just seems seems a little bit early for that
sort of problem. But I'd be looking at an auto electrician.

Speaker 8 (01:47:24):
Yes, I'm not picked them, so there's probably some good
ones and blood them here.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Okay, yeah, i'd been looking at an auto electrician, but
I would I would try ringing. If there is a
JAG dealer there, I would try ringing them because it
may be a problem that they know of. There may
be a simple.

Speaker 8 (01:47:41):
If they are prepared, if they prepared to admit to
admit to it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
No, No, I'm sure. Yeah, I mean I try them first,
because that's I mean, that's where we go. We'd try
the manufacturer first because there may be a recall, there
may be an issue that they are aware of, and
there may be a simple fix for it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Good luck, David, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Don't get any joy. Try an auto electrician.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Okay, Steve, you've got another starting problem for the mechanic.

Speaker 7 (01:48:08):
Yeah, very similar to the last lady identical turn the key,
nothing happens, or turn the key, and.

Speaker 18 (01:48:14):
It's this tick.

Speaker 7 (01:48:17):
Sometimes it will start straight after, and sometimes it won't
go at all, and then I have to try. But
half an hour later or whatever, it turns over.

Speaker 5 (01:48:24):
But I've got that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
My wife was driving.

Speaker 7 (01:48:26):
It's a two thousand and eight it's a Bacius station wagon.
But AA got it started on that and sent sure
thought it could be the battery. So I took it
and got it all checked down and got a new
starter mode to put in, and is is still happening?
But I'll turn it on and it won't go, and
then i'll turn it on.

Speaker 18 (01:48:44):
I'll go.

Speaker 7 (01:48:45):
It's not as bad that initially was. And I went
back to the mechanic. He said that he couldn't find
anything wrong with it, and he said, we don't use
it very often. And he sort of said that because
he don't use it off, it just sits here and
there might be moisture on the electrical points, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
But yeah, it'll be anywhere from the key from the
key down to the solenoid. If you're hearing a click,
it does sound like a flat battery. And the best
way to tell that is just a jump start it.
If you put another battery on it and it starts
all right, then it's probably the battery. But I'd imagine
if somebody's put a starto motor on it, they would
have tested the battery.

Speaker 7 (01:49:17):
Yeah, yeah, you said, he tested it, and he said
it might be something to do. I'm not mechanically mined,
but you said someone in the tea and I'm sol
annoids not.

Speaker 21 (01:49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
Yeah, my number one cars get penalty at the moment
I'm driving around.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
They have a look at your have a look at
your battery terminals. Make sure your battery terminals aren't loose.
It's really common we find that loose battery terminals, any
corrosion around the battery terminals, any any bad connections there.
But your starter motor can be drawing three or four
hundred amps. That's huge, you know, not your house is
wide at ten amps. Car batteries have to deliver up
the sort of five six hundred amps, so you get

(01:49:54):
bad connections and you'll definitely get problems. But I'd imagine
if someone's put a starto motor and they should have
checked the battery out. But it sort of does sound
like a flat battery, good luck. The best way to
do it would be to try jump starting and it
goes jump starting, then it's probably a battery.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Yeah, very good. All right, quick text question here, Matt. Today,
I have a two thousand and seven Toyota Caldina that
has been sitting outside stored for three months. Is there
anything I should watch for when I go to restart it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Oh, that's a good question. No, I'm a Twitter technician
by trade, and the bloody good cars. Check your check
your all and water, make sure nothing weird has happeneds.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Have moved into the back seat and.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
You haven't opened the bonnet and have a lot make
sure because if it's in the rural area, you do
get racks that eat things. But I would suggest that
you might have a flat battery by now. It's been
sitting out for that long, so you might need to
jump start it. But yeah, check your all and water
levels and you probably want to check your tie preshus.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Yeah, yeah, great, check if anyone's running a soup kitchen
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Yeah, Matt, Matt just told there because we've got plenty
more questions for you. If you've got a question for
Matt Ow eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It is eleven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
Matt and Tayler afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
With the Volvo XC ninety, attention to detail and a
commitment to comfort news dogs, there'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Good afternoon Final few moments with our mechanic, Matt bullin
that met Thanks again for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
No worries, Bryce, I've got a question for Matt and
the mechanic.

Speaker 8 (01:51:38):
Yeah, Matt. When I'm at the lights, I'm idle and
fine when it goes green and I press the accelerator,
but the car kind of dies first in the first
second before it starts taking off, so I lose revs.
You know, first pressy accelerator.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
Yeah, what sort of car on?

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
How old?

Speaker 8 (01:51:55):
Yeah it's in this and Tilda twenty and sixteen.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Okay, but odd for that age age group could be
looking at something like an EGR valve problem and you
know it's going to whereabouts in the country Wellington, Wellington? Yeah, boy,
without driving it, it's it's difficult, but we we sort

(01:52:22):
of are getting problems with EGR. It's an exhaust gas
for circulation valves. How long since it's had a service,
a tune up, air filter coued, have an air leak?
Are there any lights coming up on the dash as
the engine.

Speaker 20 (01:52:37):
Light coming on?

Speaker 8 (01:52:38):
No lights coming up on the desk? And I get
it a service every six months?

Speaker 5 (01:52:43):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
So how many ca is it done? About one hundred
and ten because the head spark plugs. Normally spark plugs
you'll feel in this and it'll be really obvious. I'd
maybe be looking at air leaks or EGR problem or
something like that. But without man, without driving it, and
without doing some testing, it's really difficult to tell you that.

(01:53:05):
Don't We don't really have too many issues with that
sort of thing. It's it's if it's missing, it would
be good, you'd feel it. We be really obvious. But yeah,
I'm just have you had it in anywhere?

Speaker 8 (01:53:19):
Yeah, sorry, if I'm going along the motorway and it might.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
Go good, it could there be spark plugs could be yeah, okay,
but it's pretty obvious when you've got a spark Plugmas,
you'll feel it. You'll feel a cylinder missing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
Bryce, thank you very much, Good luck mate, and Matt.
That is all the time we have for this time.
You are a popular man. We've got a for rarckloaded
texts and some people to call back when we next
get you on and in a few weeks time we.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Might have broken the text machine and one hundred and
eighty ten eighty of the matter.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
Any that can be email three or text to three
to me do that and I can answer them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
You're a good man. Thank you very much, Thank you
so much for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
And look it's not easy trying to diagnose down the phone,
but you did very well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Thank you so much, Matt. Yeah, we'll catch catch you
again in a couple of weeks time. That is Matt.
It's a bullin. Matt the mechanic as we call them
from exur Autos and Fakatane a wealth of knowledge when
it comes to anything mechanical and has had thirty eight
years experience in the automotive industry. We'll get back Matt
back in about four weeks time as part of our
US the Experts series. Now we need to do this.

(01:54:25):
As always, advice offered in this segment is done in
good faith and should always be confirmed by a physical
inspection of your vehicle. That just covers us off with
the lawyers. And that is us for today. Thank you
very much. Great discussions all around. So thank you for
your phone calls, your texts, your correspondence and we'll do
it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Yeah, see tomorrow and give them a taste of can we.

Speaker 6 (01:54:46):
Do it back?

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
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