Full Show Podcast: 19 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, good people, Welcome to the Matt and Tyler
podcast for Tuesday, Big Day to Day. Many said to
shoot off for another appointment, but we had some great
chat about protest numbers, how many people actually attend protests,
and who counts those people? And how do you count
penguins as well? A gentleman whose job it was to

(00:38):
count penguins. That's what we love about talkback. Then we
also cut through some of the heat and had some
great convos on the hikoy after two o'clock, a lot
of love for a Kune. It was on the back
of the Desert Road being closed for two months over summer,
but my, oh my, the amount of people that rang
through and said, take the alternative Highway. Aha, Kune is

(00:59):
amazing National park. Give them some love, get some carrots.
Then we talked about the o Mad diet, speaking of carrots,
eating just one meal a day. Bruce Springsteen loves it,
Chris Martin loves it, so Cliff Richard loves it. So
we had some fascinating chat about INTI minute fasting and
how can I put this lightly? The freaks out there
that can fast for more than one day, I don't

(01:21):
know how you do it anyway. That was Tuesday. We'll
do it all again tomorrow, Hnday, Wednesday. We'll catch you
then your.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
New home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie and
Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk Sabbe, good.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Afternoon to you. Hope you're doing well on this Tuesday,
big day today in a big afternoon after three o'clock Maddy.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, that's right after three o'clock. The big issue that
a everyone's facing at the moment is fasting because it
turned out that Bruce Springsteen is on eating once a
day and my new best mate Chris Martin from Coldplayers
are only eating once a day as well. So we
want to talk about diets. Does fasting work? Are you
doing it? I tried it for a year and ended
up eating so much at lunchtime that I started putting

(02:06):
on weight.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
So I didn't work for you.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I just want to know what people think actually
works as a diet, because I think that probably just
eating whole foods and eating normally and just making changes.
Someone said, if you're going to start a diet, if
you can't keep it up for the rest of your life,
then there's no point.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's good advice.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, so you choose a diet that is going to
keep you healthy for your whole life.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
What have you chosen?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, as I said, I was just probably at the moment,
I'm trying to eat whole foods. So you just eat
whole foods three times a day and try not to
eat too much. That's basically what I'm trying to do.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
You've nailed it. That's the chat after.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's not very glamorous.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's the chat after three o'clock. And there's some good
science behind fasting. So looking forward to that after two o'clock.
State Highway one between two Rangy and wyou dou the
Desert Road will be shut for around two months four repairs.
They're going to shut it down early feb on the
sorry early jan on the sixth of Jans. So a
lot of people concerned about that.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, would it killed them to start like a week
or two later when people of all people or most
people are finish the holidays. We work very hard in
New Zealand and holidays are important. So you're stealing maybe
two two and a half hours from people coming back
from their holidays, are going on their holidays because you
just want I mean, there's something to do with the
temperatures of the road that they need to work on,

(03:24):
but that's not going to change. Yeah, three months started
at the end of January jan sixth.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, let us have our holiday for goodness sake. That
is after two o'clock. But right now, people marching in
the Hekoy are arriving at Parliament. They're join in. About
two thousand already gathered out the front the crowd. Our
Parliament has been asked to make space for bearers carrying
two hundred flags. Ethan Minera, Wellington News Talk ZB reporter

(03:50):
is there, Ethan, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Can I go what's happening at the protests at the moment? Ethan?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
What the protest is absolutely heaving. I cannot adequately describe
the scale of this. They are just people as far
as I could see flags everywhere. Please, there's released some
numbers saying thirty five thousand people on Parliament's grounds. It's
actually spread beyond Parliament's grounds. Parlomer's grounds can't handle this
many people. It's onto the surrounding streets. There's people waving

(04:20):
signs and flags and block surrounding Parliament. It's huge. Now
people are starting to leave the crowd sitting at a
tiny bit, but it's really making a gent. There's still
so many people here. Speeches are continuing and people continued away,
flags aussing, whiter are chanting. It's still all go down
here at Parliament.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
And what's the mood like, Yeah, it's really positive.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I mean it's just you know, people chanting, people singing,
They are listening to speeches. Now some people have piped
up on the grass and are eating their lunch. There's
some i suppose what could only be described as a
pin of like kindergarten age children sitting there eating lunch
as well. So it's a real max. There's not the
families here, there's dogs, there's old people. Yeah, a real max.
But overwhelmingly positive. There's been no aggression, none of that.

(05:04):
A couple of incidents of people fainting in the crowd
because it is just shouldered shoulder it's so dense, and
here people attacked and but you know, overwhelmingly positive.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Any sign of any politicians at the stage shethan.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
I mean, I can't really move through the crowd that well.
I did have a quick chat, a quick interview with
Tipasi Mali in p Takuzafirris. I understand there were some
reports of a couple of National MP's coming out the
chat that I had.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Oh, it's just so busy. Yeah. Any word on whether
David Seymour will speak to the crowd.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Not that I've heard. I don't know. I mean it's
from some of the signs here. I think it might
be a bit of a hostile reception, to be honest.
There's been some some things that I can't repeat in radio,
some very creative signs with some profane messages. But I'm
not sure whether he is going to come out and
have a chat.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I don't think he would mind a hostile reception. Yeah,
you say there's thirty five thousand people. Is that an
official count? Who's given that number?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, there's just some numbers that have come through from police.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Now, there have been messages.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
You know, no one can really judge the scale of
it just because it is so large. I know that
I was here before the hi koy arrived at Parliament
and there were about four thousand people reported to be
here at that time, but since then the crowd has
just completely swelled and as I say, it can't be
contained to Parliament's surrounds. I mean, looking from the Varztage
point where I'm at now by the gates to Parliament,
it's just filling the streets surrounding. People can't really move

(06:25):
all that well. But yeah, it's just you know, I
don't get here. It sung of lags. But as far
as I can see.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Do you think they're going to stick around at Parliament
Grounds for some time? Ethan? There was suggestion they would
move on later this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
One speaker I just heard saying that they're about halfway
through the speeches. My understanding is that after that they've
been going to go back to white Ungy Park for
a week constant and to wrap things up those food
stools there. That's where they started marching Broms. It's across town,
so I understand the pekoy back to White Tingney Park
for some concert. San Walker's been playing today, he's here,
he's been singing, So hopefully this has been more of
that down at one Singney Park. But yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
There are two life crosses now that have mentioned that
there are dogs and attendants. Is there a significant amount
of dogs and intestinance or just a couple of dogs?

Speaker 4 (07:08):
And it's even quite surprised by the amount of dogs.
I mean that, as I said, it's so tightly packed
in you So I've had a couple of dogs sort
of walk over my feet. Lots of yeah, well real
mixed of dogs as well. There's been some stuffies that
gave one are we pats? But yeah, you're plenty of dogs,
plenty of babies, elderly people are huge diverse mix in
the crowd.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
And did the dogs and the babies get counted in
the thirty five thousand?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I'd have.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Definitely count the dogs. You know, it's important part of
the protest.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
It's funny that we always get these counts of protests
and it's always a police officer and they're put on
this spot and they're like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Know, numb Ethan. Thank you very much mate. We'll probably
catch up with you a little bit later this afternoon.
Stay well, all.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Right, great, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
There is Ethan and Eera news dogs. There be Wellington reporter.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, so I wait one undred and eighteen eighty. We're
talking about the protests for a little bit here this morning.
What what do you think the protest is sitting out
to it? And we also want to talk about protests
in New Zealand, what protests work and what protests don't
in terms of this country historically. And we're going to
talk to Barry Soper about this after after one point

(08:21):
thirty because obviously he's been there for a lot of
protests in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, and we'll see how this protest eventuates throughout the afternoon,
but protests in general. Keen on your thoughts on this one, Matt.
But I've got to say, I mean, so far this
particular protest march, this hecoy the only real disruption they've caused.
And look, I'm sure people will prove me wrong, but
was on the Harbor Bridge. But I've got to say,
when protests start to interrupt the daily lives of middle

(08:46):
New Zealand, that's a bad way to operate as a protest.
I think about the Climate March protesting and the people
gluing their hands to rhads. I mean, when you look
at this protest, I don't know if that's achieved that yet,
but what's your taken? I mean, does a protest like
this and we've got to take the numbers as word
from that police officer who knows how many people are
down there at Parliament Grounds right now, But does this

(09:09):
achieve what they think it's going to achieve?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, well, I'll benually. I think I think a school
people are at home from school to aren't there in
a central Wellington school? I remember that? So I mean
that is some kind of interruption, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah? Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call, nine two ninety two. Love to
hear from you on this one. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you
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Speaker 3 (09:42):
So yeah news talk zbit hundre at eighteen ten eighty.
We're talking about the protest at Parliament the moment and
I've got a wider issue here and it's protest size
numbers and crowd sized numbers in New Zealand. Do we
need to because what happens is we just asked someone
will just ask a police officer, and a police officer
isn't trained in guessing how big crowds are. And anyone
that's been part of a crowd, you always think it's

(10:04):
you have no idea when you're sitting at the crowd.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I went to the world's largest harker at Eden Park
and I was watching and trying to work out whether
they got the numbers needed to get the world record,
and I could not work out at all. You start
counting an area and start counting another area, and will remember,
of course the Christmas in the parks, Yes, the numbers
that people kept saying that it was getting insane, the

(10:28):
size of the crowds they were saying every year for
Christmas in the park. And then an international expert came
over and said that you couldn't even fit that many
people in that area. Because there's ways you do it.
It's you divide it up into how many people can
fit in an area, and you know how much on
average each person takes. But then people can crowd and more.
It's very hard. Do we need to have do we

(10:48):
need to invest in some kind of drone and AI
technology because right now we're getting variations from five thousand
to nineteen thousand to thirty five thousand. Yeah, I mean,
and is it important how big the crowd is? I mean,
people report it. People on one side will report it less,
people on the other side will report it more.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's a good question. I mean, as you're talking, and
my time as a list and when I went to
various events or the Dawn service, for example, you'd always
get asked that question. So, tyler, what's the turnout?

Speaker 8 (11:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
How many people? And of course it's a question I
don't know, so wow, various reports hard to say. I'm
just going to check out a number, Say five thousand
sounds pretty good, No one questions. It sounds about right.
But it is with these protests we need official protest counters.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, do we need? I mean, we don't have a
lot of money in this country at the moment, so
I don't know if we could, I don't know, counting
force a new division of some kind of department. What
would it be the statistics department, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, I suppose would you do that job?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, I be a great job.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I could see you when a chopper just flying over
top and saying right, one, two, three, I've lost count
now we'll start again. YEAHI technology would be good.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah. And then and maybe you don't have the official count.
I mean they're still counting the election results in some
states in America, so you don't have the official count
of the protest until you know, a couple of days later,
when the official counters got there and have counted everything.
And then you ask the questions, can you count children?
Because can you count people that didn't have a choice

(12:15):
whether they went? Do you count dogs? There's a number
of dogs there? You can't count dogs?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well, of course you can, no good boys. I mean,
doesn't matter. Just on their question, does it really matter
if it's thirty five thousand and sixty nine one hundred
ten thousands, does that really come into the equation? I
know what people would argue that the bigger the crowd,
and if you reach thirty thousand, then they got something
to say. But I don't know, I don't really buy that.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean as a percentage of population.
And how does it works? I guess the bigger the crowd,
the more of a statement you've made, right, And I
mean do they want to have a is the protest
to make a statement of how people feel? Or is
it to have a discussion and so it doesn't lock.

(13:01):
I'm not sure, but there's no science to say to
suggest that anyone from act or David Seymour or anyone
promoting the treaty Principal's bill will be coming out to
talk about it. So I guess the point of it
is to make a big statement against it. So the
amount of people there is important in that level, the
amount of volume, the amount of disruption.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Paul, afternoon, mate, what guys, how are you ye? Mate?
What's your take on this?

Speaker 8 (13:29):
I can tell you that Eiden Park has electronic gate
base that will actually count bodies in and that's through
all access points. What you do have an issue with
is it doesn't count bodies out. So if you've got
staff to work in front of house or back or
a house, if they come in and they go out
three times, right, it's counting them as as three individuals

(13:49):
coming in, right, not one person going in and out right,
So it doesn't take them off that total. So if
it's an even park, number of odds are it's pretty
much accurate. But as I say, if it's a staff
and it's in and.

Speaker 9 (14:01):
Out or you know, bo or whoever, has to be
working in.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
Front of house or back house. They're going in out
ten times in them as ten individuals, not one individual
going in and out. But they do have all that
electronically calculated.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
When I was at this World Harker attempt, though, they
had because that was the Guinness Book of World Records there,
so they wanted to get it exactly right. And they
had warden's working in areas and they had to they
were all situated and they're trying to get everyone still,
so they had I'm not sure how many they had,
but each of them were trying to count two hundred
people and it was it was a massive pilava trying

(14:38):
to count people.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I bet it was.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
A needle intack and needles.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, because you've got people moving in and out. It's
a very very hard thing to do.

Speaker 8 (14:48):
So I wonder if there's any that they still have
a variant in an allowance. Yeah, there's electronic numbers, and
then they'll go, well it's within a certain tolerance and
within killing good.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, at that one, you didn't want to be the
counter that said that they hadn't got to the number.
But also it did take them a while so that
when they were counting that that it didn't. It took
them fifteen minutes. Afterwards, they like, we're going to come
back in fifteen minutes and tell you whether we've got
the record or not.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. It's twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 10 (15:24):
Perhaps we can argue that the crime wave and sense
of hopelessness weird and endured these past several years might
have finally come to a need police Minister Marke Mitchell
as well as what are the areas that you are
still concerned about?

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Basically the same things that we came into government's. It's
the gangs, the fact that their numbers have grown, the
fact that they're a lot more violent, the carrying fiums,
are willing to use them, and just the general misery
at harm that are inflicting on the communities that they're in.

Speaker 10 (15:45):
The ram raid issue which plagued just literally daily for
months on the end, that seems to be under control.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
Or am I wrong?

Speaker 6 (15:52):
No?

Speaker 11 (15:52):
No, that's you're right.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
And look the reality of isis tribes they're going to
go away completely. As long as humans have been around,
there's bad people that do bad things.

Speaker 10 (16:00):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Twenty six past one hour in your call Tavi, a
chat about the point of a protest.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, because you guys were talking before about the amount
of disruption and stuff the protests can cause, which is
that's kind of pointless in a protest. The idea of
a protest is you have a position for an opinion
that you are trying to get across. So like you
would disagree with apartheid or no, there should be no
mining there, whatever it is, you need to get that across.

(16:33):
What's been disappointing about this current protest is you've got
one side. The protest is just saying no, not saying
why they say no, just saying that we don't want
to hear it. And then, like you said in your
news update before that, it looks like Seymour or anyone
from actual proponents that the girl won't be coming up
to speak to it. They're already but earlier and you

(16:55):
said they were told they were not welcome to come
and speak to it. So there's the protest is just
about stopping it. It is not about having a conversation
on why to stop it.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, but I guess whether there will, whether David Seymour
actor welcome to come and speak to it or not,
then that they have every right to come and speak
to it if they should like to.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, absolutely, and that would be quite well. I mean
it would kind of be pointless because they're speaking to
an audience done definitely not going to win over. But
the whole thing here is I believe majority of New
Zealanders don't know what in the Treaty Principles Bill and
also don't know what's in the original Treaty principles. And

(17:38):
most people probably can't even name when the original Treaty
principles were signed off. Do you guys know given that
you're working the news, Well.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
There was nineteen seventy five when the original principles were
what was brought into the conversation.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Started, Yeah, and then signed off under Longi's government. But yes,
don't know this and we don't know what's in there.
And so that's why it's been a bit disappointing on
this is that, Noel, there's a big side that don't
want to hear this read. They don't want it to
go through. But let's just have the conversation because those
people protesting and a lot of those advocates on the

(18:14):
multi side are correct, they will win us all over
and we'll go Actually, no, we don't need that Principal's
bill because they've made a really strong point. But this
protest is only saying no, it's not making any points
on why no.

Speaker 12 (18:28):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sure, but anyone can have any protests they want on anything.
They don't have to justify their protest as long as
it's it doesn't break any laws. We live in a
country where you can protest any any way you want.
That isn't that isn't violent.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
That's true. John Minto lives in our city. So we've
saved every second week.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Have you ever joined a protest?

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Eric, Absolutely, I've been on protest. I've been on a
protest with three people before. That was over the killing
of police officers and stuff like that. We did a
march in christ So I've been on really small ones
and really big ones, and so I'm open to always
listening to what anyone's point of view or position is.
You know, I went and listen to the protesters when

(19:15):
they were camped in kram the Square and christ It.
Most people wouldn't engage with them. I went down to
hear their You to know why they were upset around
the vaccination program and so on and so forth. During
COVID you have to listen to them. And that's what
I want to hear from this lot is. I want
to hear your why. I don't want to just know
that you're not happy with something. Tell me why win

(19:36):
me over.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, Aaron, thank you very much. Oh one hundred and eighty.
Ten eighty is the number of call. Got the headlines
coming up, so we'll come back to more of your
calls very shortly.

Speaker 12 (19:47):
It is one nine.

Speaker 13 (19:51):
You talk, there'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. About thirty five thousand
people have joined the hikoi that's ended on Parliament's lawn,
protesting the Treaty Principles. Will Protesters cloaked in the colors
of ten rang Tanga a spill into the surrounding streets
while Wayata and the sound of fireworks filled the air.

(20:18):
Organizer Edu Kappa Kinges addressed the crowd, saying thy've committed
to a journey of liberation.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Here we are where are here?

Speaker 3 (20:32):
The Bills author.

Speaker 13 (20:32):
David Seymour has made a brief appearance on Parliament's fore court,
standing behind police officers and flanked by his Act caucus.
He was loudly booed when he waved at the crowd
before the group went back inside. In other news, the
desert road is shutting between Too Dangi and wy you
do for repairs for about two months from January sixth
until the end of February. The coaching change the All

(20:56):
Blacks must make. See Chris Ratu's full column. At En
said Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Oh weite hundred eighty ten eighty. We're talking about the
protest at Parliament and Allen, you've got some thoughts on counting.

Speaker 14 (21:11):
Yes, so on counting.

Speaker 15 (21:12):
I used to count penguin colonies and the recognized way
is minimum three people and system one spot and you
sit there with pen and paper in cam groups.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
This is good.

Speaker 15 (21:27):
You'll be surprised they are very close to the same
figure at the end of the daw in this case
should put a drive up and take a picture. Yeah,
I mean you'd quickly developed and start counting, get have.

Speaker 14 (21:40):
It with it and there.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I mean it's an interesting thing how widely varied the
reporting are and our current method of finding out how
many people are at any event in New Zealand is
to ask just the police, the nearest policeman, and the
policeman stands there and goes a reckon ten.

Speaker 15 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, they estimate, but very simple. Just put a
grown up and take a picture, and you quickly developed
the pitcher. You just take screenshot, you sit down and
start counting, and it doesn't take that long. It was
quite fast.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
How often do you get out and count penguins?

Speaker 16 (22:18):
Ellen, Oh, I used to know it.

Speaker 14 (22:21):
I don't live it anymore now.

Speaker 11 (22:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Because yeah, someone's saying that five people with square meter
is average role of thumb. So thirty five thousand people
need seven thousand square meters of land one hundred meters
time seventy meters, which is not a huge space.

Speaker 15 (22:40):
But if you actually put a droll up and shot up,
you'd even pick up surrounding streets. Yeah, and you just
go along and you start spot counting and you just
count the heads as very fast. It might take an
hour and a half of you to have a pretty
good air quick figure for an open part.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I guess with humans it becomes and protests that comes
a little bit more complicated because do you go the
peak or how many different people were there throughout the
time of it, So you could say, well, over the
day we had this many people, but at the peak
when you put your drone up, you go, well, this
is about the peak time, put your drone up and
go at peak it was this many people.

Speaker 15 (23:20):
Yes, absolutely, So it's not a hard short we.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Just don't have anyone in charge that it doesn't seem
to be a priority and it might actually seem like
a trivial point. But for me, I'm always I'm always
flabbergasted by how different the counts are from anything that
happens in New Zealand. They can range from a quarter
you know, some people are saying a quarter of what
other people are saying.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, we need to get Allen down there. Alan,
Thank you very much, mate, being how are you this afternoon?
What's your thoughts on the protest?

Speaker 12 (23:52):
Yeah, morning afternoon, Tyler. Yeah, well I put it this way,
I'm not there. Oh, I'm twenty eight sent Scottish and
four percent Irish YEP and two percent English.

Speaker 14 (24:05):
In sixty six.

Speaker 12 (24:07):
If you say to me, I'm disappointed, how I never
hear the conversation how this this there is two treaties
and then to one in English and the one in Mary.
They both mean two different different things, and not just
by a little bit. I mean they both talk about sovereignty.

(24:29):
One season sovereignty see that the other seas that it's not.
And I think Seymour has jumped a gun on it
a bit. You know, I can see why there is
a lot of anger from Maori because I know for
a fact that Mali see to T t T or
white tonguey is the one that was understood and signed

(24:52):
by the indigenous people of this country one hundred and
eighty years ago. And I think we need to have
that conversation first before we go anywhere there pulling out
you know, right this is the one the other side
of that too. You know, you've got the English language
not being an official national language here just at the
facto and Mary being a first thing which here in

(25:12):
our official national language.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Wasn't it? And I think I think they recently made
English and official language. But if they did, if we
if they decided on which particular treaty was the one
they wanted to go with, would you then be happy
with that being locked in place as it is and
not being interpreted further from there.

Speaker 12 (25:34):
Definitely? Definitely. But then you're also going to have the
other side of it, which you noticed all the old
older folks there.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I know, yep, they're still there.

Speaker 12 (25:44):
Yeah, you have all the older folks there flying the
Fokaputunga League, the Declaration of Independence signed by we and
King George back in eighteen thirty five. So yeah, then't
going to be having those ones going hey, hang on,
there's no treatis I mean nothing, this was signed before
and this is a declaration of independence. So I think

(26:06):
either way you go, you're always going to have those
go hey, but wait, I just want to say, for
the last hundred eight years, we've led the world and
showing how we can live together. He used, there's been
some neggel here and there, but I think we need
to we just need to not to dig up the
past like that. Listen, if you just need to carry on,
leave it alone. Were we lead the way, Look at

(26:26):
look at talis on. Look, you're going to look at
other places. You've only got to go and see that
we don't want it here. And we've we've done all right. Yep,
we've done all right for the last hundred eight years.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, okay, being you're a good man. Thank you very
much for giving us a buzz. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
And we're going to talk to Barry Soaper next about
the history of protest in New Zealand. He's live at Parliament.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
madd Even Tyler Adams Afternoon News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
News Talks EDB. We're just wanting to get ahold of
Barry Soaper, our senior political correspondence will have a chat
term soon, but we're going to pick up this conversation
again in the meantime. I one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. So we have been talking
about the protest, but there's banging a lot of discussion
around how do we count how many people are at
an event or a protest? Matt five people with square meata.

(27:24):
You're kidding, it's not a friggin good time.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, I was actually questioning that. We were talking about
how you count people, and when I said that, outline
as could you fit five people and.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
A square meter? Yeah, yeah, that's pretty tight, that's pretty cozy.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, we might have been talking about penguins there, especially
if people are sitting down and moving around. Yeah, I
think I think there's a good point there. I might
have been jumping the gun a little bit there with
five people b square meter?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, now, I think we might have been been Were
we chatting to you before?

Speaker 12 (27:56):
Here your hand?

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right, okay, No, we can sing.

Speaker 12 (27:59):
I can sing a song for you.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
What do you got for us?

Speaker 4 (28:03):
How about what you do?

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Give us a line?

Speaker 9 (28:11):
It best I can?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, go well, mate, go well, Ben just can't
stay away, Kenny. Guys. I don't have a problem with
the protest per se, But to a point the earlier
caller mate about having a debate, I think we should
have a debate. It makes me sad to see the
situation that's happening now. Are we mature enough to have

(28:34):
a debate before it gets to legislation? That is the
big question. It's a good text.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean, but I mean when it comes down
to a protest. I mean, protests aren't generally speaking debates,
are they. They're normally people going out and having the
essay as loudly as they possibly can. So the actual
protest that's happening right now, you know, I guess David
Seymour could come out and talk to them, but I
imagine he wouldn't be listened to. But I mean, how

(28:59):
many how many protests have you ever seen where there's
been a debate between two sides. That's not really a protest.
Work protests more about you getting as many people as
you can together to show your support for your side.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Right, things up made by noise.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
The debate should happen in parliament.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, Robbie, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (29:21):
I'm great?

Speaker 17 (29:22):
How are we going?

Speaker 9 (29:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Good to chat with you. So you are on a
Maria committee?

Speaker 18 (29:25):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (29:27):
I am?

Speaker 17 (29:27):
And there's a shout out to Timuri. We have a
few of our fano have gone down there and so
I support the COPA but more than that, I support
the discussion. I think, as one of your text messages
came through, it's quite a shame that we can't have
a chat about it. The American Constitution has.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
A number of amendments.

Speaker 17 (29:50):
And so while our document, our treaty, is a founding document,
it wasn't a long time ago. And I think there's
probably things on both sides that we'd like to come
back and maybe revisit. And it doesn't even have to
change it. And if you have a look at what
Seymour's will do, he's.

Speaker 18 (30:05):
Not changing it.

Speaker 17 (30:07):
In nineteen eighty nine, David longiy Christian the White Tongue
Tribunal and he put some changes in probable don't remember that.
So the treaty do you boys?

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Do you boys?

Speaker 19 (30:17):
Off?

Speaker 20 (30:18):
Off the top of your head?

Speaker 17 (30:19):
You know the three articles of the treaty?

Speaker 3 (30:21):
No, not off the top of my head.

Speaker 17 (30:23):
No, yeah, No, ninety nine percent of New Zealand don't.
So it's this discussion. At least got wee New Zealanders
familiar with the three articles? Wouldn't there be a good thing?

Speaker 19 (30:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
And how do you feel just on what the treaty
principal bill contains, Robbie, how do you feel about the
way those principles have been drafted up?

Speaker 15 (30:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (30:44):
I understand where they're coming from. And I think let's
have the discussion. Let's at least ay they're not that radical.

Speaker 16 (30:50):
That that they're that bad that we don't we can't.

Speaker 17 (30:53):
At least say yeah, let's discuss equality for all New Zealanders. Well,
and the treaty that the wierd The treaty wasn't about
the equites of all New Zealands. It was about the crown.
And here we essentially contract. And I think you then,
if you've got on and visited a Maria, everyone Tree

(31:15):
is equally on a Maria. I don't think we have
to as pakias as at a t tennity. I don't
think we need to be scared that Mary are going
to take over and we're going to lose our houses
and we're going to lose this. We're going to lose that.

Speaker 21 (31:28):
That's that's not That's not what it's it's about.

Speaker 17 (31:31):
And so to me, it's about the conversation. I don't
think David Seema's Simol's done, Bill it's that radical. Really,
it's quite generic.

Speaker 21 (31:40):
But at least have a conversation.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
So why do you think it's had such a huge reaction,
and you know there's been an outpouring of anger against it.
Why do you think that it is if if you
don't see it as being particularly controversial.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Because I think it's what's happening in the world at
the moment.

Speaker 21 (31:58):
It's right versus left, it's conservative versus non conservative. I
think that this and I've heard that this is equally
a protest against a right wing government. Is this some
backlash to what happened in the United States? Who knows
what I think. But this is the nature of how

(32:18):
most political situations go throughout the world. You know, Donald
Trump gets in, people are then bagging him just because
he's right wing. And we sort of with Boris Johnson,
and we've seen it with lots of different political movements,
Trudeau and Canada and the left, the West particularly has
become I hate to say it, boy was, but quite
left in the media and the institutions which teaching and

(32:42):
they throw this stuff down at their students and so
people grow up with it.

Speaker 9 (32:46):
What I hear the other day, I said.

Speaker 21 (32:47):
You know, when you're twenty, you're left and when you're
fifty you go right.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
It does tend to happen.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, absolutely so. So where for you, Robbie, and you
mentioned there, We're going to talk about it. We're going
to have this debate and I imagine over the next
six months while it's in Select Committee, hopefully that happens
and we're mature enough to do that. But where is
the appropriate place to have those discussions to keep it
above board?

Speaker 21 (33:11):
Well, I think I think it's Parliament is where it starts.
And unfortunately the party may have It's not the first time.
I mean, it was quite an aggressive Harker wasn't towards
David Seymour, and it was very aggressive, almost on assault
with what they did. And I've got no problem with
what happened in the Harker. I think it's got New
Zealand on the on the map, and we've got people

(33:33):
around the world talking about it. I've got no problem
but to shout him down as Willie Jackson did and
called him a liar and those sorts of things in it.
I thought that the Speaker of the House did a
great job, right he kicked Willie out and and he said, right,
it's suspend. That's the only thing you could do. I'll
be interested to see what happens the next time it
comes up for reading. What's going to happen is he

(33:53):
And that's the thing is, it's just you know, it's
not like the flag. I mean, you know John Key's
flag situation that was kind of dumb, wasn't it. I
mean it's changed the flag, I mean that was This
is much more important. But also I think it's it's
just not that radical. And as I say, the bottom
line for me is if New Zealand has become to
understand what turnity means or what the articles mean, what

(34:15):
a fantastic thing. And so from Parliament, to our institution,
through to our schools, our Pamariki and Makapuna, coming through
with an understanding that we never had.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
What a good thing.

Speaker 22 (34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Absolutely, thank you so much for your call, Robbie, oh
givting a lot of support in the text machine.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, absolutely great call. Right after the break, we're gonna
have a chat with Barry Sober. It is eleven to.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Two, Mattith, Tyler Adams taking your calls.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
On eight.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
And Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
News Talks thereb so joining us now is Barry Soaper
News News Talks, theirb senior political correspondent. He's at Parliament
yet a Barrie, Good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
So Barry. This has been described by some as a
historic protest. Where does it sit in the history of
protest in New Zealand for you?

Speaker 19 (35:04):
Well, you know, I think, will you look back to
what last big pro here on the fore court for
the four horn of Parliament with the COVID protest is
much larger than this one. That's not to take anything
away from this protest. But out the front, shoulder to shoulder,
to battle my way through to get into the beehive.
And I must say that the crowd was very polite

(35:27):
as I was coming through and they did make way
for me. But look, this is a protest. This is
a political protest. Let's not beat around the bush about it.
The multi party organized that they'll be looking for votes
out of this and for the sign up of membership
David Seymour's treaty principal. That's not going to do him
any harm at all, because you know, it'll be now

(35:49):
six months of Select Committee hearings and they have opened today,
so that'll be the next chapter the next six month,
and then the bill will die a natural death. But
by that time one can only hope had a very
good debate about it, because that's what this should be
all about.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Do you think if David Seymour would get up and
talk to this particular protest. Do you think he'd be
allowed to speak?

Speaker 13 (36:16):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (36:16):
I think.

Speaker 19 (36:16):
Look, given the mood of the protests, it seems good.

Speaker 9 (36:22):
You know.

Speaker 19 (36:22):
I have rubbed shoulders literally with a lot of them
down on the poor cord there, and you know, I.

Speaker 9 (36:29):
Think pretty ordered.

Speaker 19 (36:32):
The Wellington weather has in fact held up for them,
including the wind the flags. There are many, many moldy
flags around the place and they're blowing in the breeze
and that'll make the protests even more effective looking when
these pictures go out, no doubt around the world. So look,

(36:53):
it's a protest that seems a good nature. I was
walking up Willis Street and along Lampton Key the Golden Mile,
and the many many people were leaving, many with children
and prans, all turned up. They made their point. I
would think give them a look at this crowd, they'll
probably at some stage pack up and go home.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
There's been speculation Barry, considering the headlines and the energy
that this protest is attracting, that Christopher Luxen and the
National Party might change their tune over the next six months.
Do you think there's any possibility of that?

Speaker 19 (37:31):
Although I think the National Party hasn't played this one
very well at all. I've absolutely painted themselves into a corner.
But then who knows what public opinion will do to
sway people's mind, And that's what David Timour. The next
six months you'll hear a more reason debate, hopefully on
the treaty principal spill and you know who knows. But

(37:53):
I would say that really Chris Malukson has cooked his
goose on this one. And I saw one of the
one of the protests placards saying KKK Chris is and
it's all in case Chris's coalition KO. So that's what
Rafori waited to. I doubt it was maybe referring to

(38:13):
when he said that they've got a KKK swipe card
to the bee Hut.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now have we got any idea how popular the Treaty's
principal bill is across wide in New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (38:26):
Well, you know that's a good point because all the
oxygen has been taken up with the protesters themselves. So
I think it's like watching Coronation Street. A lot of
people aren't prepared to say they support it, whereas in
fact I think a large number do equally. I think
there's a large number that oppose it. But the treaty,

(38:47):
if you read the principles and you read the treaty itself,
which is what I've done, nothing significantly is going to change.
But anything that's perceived as an attack on the treaty
is perceived as an attack on mold you do. And
that's what worries these protesters.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, Berry, thank you very much for them and to
chat with us. It's up again soon.

Speaker 9 (39:09):
Alright.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
That is Barry Soper News talk zby Senior Political Correspondence. Right,
that is where we'll leave it for this hour.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, that's right. And up next we want to talk
about the Desert Road being shut for three months over
the holidays.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yep, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Nineteen nine too, it's a text number.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Who's I feels like good, Rudius, just take.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Conversation talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

(40:02):
Taylor Adams Afternoons. You for twenty twenty four used talk ZIBB.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Good A welcome back into the show. Seven past two.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
If anything comes up in Wellington that the protests then
will update you on that. But right now, Tyler's got
to be in a bonnet and his bonnet over the
Dessert Road.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, let's have a chat about the Dessert Road. So
this is State Highway One between two Rangy and wayou Dou.
The Desert Road as it's known, will be shut for
aroount two months for repairs. So the NZTA Waka kor
Tanki spokesperson said it was one of the most challenging
sections of a i quote huge maintenance program on State

(40:41):
Highway One. But they're going to close it down from
January the sex bang in the middle of holiday season.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, so you know, we you know that that's not
quite It's just on the end of the absolute busiest
Holliway holiday season time. But a lot of people will
be wanting to travel down that road at that point.
In my opinion, holidays are as important as anything and
getting in the way and frustrating people in their holidays
is not great.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
They love a good road works over summer, and the
rationale for this particular section of the highway is they
need the road at a certain temperature thirteen degrees house. Yes,
so I understand that, but let's shift at to February
when most people are back at the office, because that's
a critical highway.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Can someone explain to me why we can't do three
shifts and when we're working on roads run at twenty
four hours? Yeah, why we can't do And I know
you know that they're under a junta, but famously in
Singapore when they're rebuilding Singapore, they went shifts eight hour shifts,
three in a row.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
They get stuff done.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Can't we just get it done really really quickly, start
a bit later in jan and just unleashed resources to
get it done in a one week period when it's
when it's quiet for business and travel and you know,
and transport, but also doesn't mess with people's holidays. Is
there a reason someone can tell me, oh, eight hundred

(42:00):
eighty ten eighty, why can't we run three shifts on roadworks?

Speaker 7 (42:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, I'm all four night cruise. I mean I won't
be there being part of the night crew.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
All these things. I'm sure there's a reason, but it
seems to me that we take so very long to
do things.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
This is going to be a massive interruption for truckies
and freight companies, so Dave Hoskin. Transport manager Daryl Hoskin
says he was surprised by the announcement of a lot
of the yards. He says, and swaps are done in towport,
so transport companies will be stuck with an hour to
an hour and a half of extra travel, he said.
Obviously that will add to the cost diesel wages and mileage.

(42:40):
Just on the thirteen degree celsius. How the heck do
they repair roads in Alaska?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Well, yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe they're differently
calibrated roads.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, chicks are coming through on nine two nine two off.
For beep's sake. Another road closed. Do you realize Tokuaa
to Toport is closed too. We have to go through
from muzz So when this desit.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Road is closed, Say you're coming back from holiday, how
long is that going to add? It's going to add
another two hours at least to your travel.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, well, selfishly, this is going to affect us, me,
may even the dog. Because we're making the trip from
here to Wellington for the ferry in one go. So
ordinarily it's about seven and a half hours. Now that's
closer to nine it's.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
A big trip. Yeah. Well, I wonder, I wonder if
the priority is do they go that holidays aren't a
priority for people, that the roads are only for you know,
for business, for commercial activities, whereas you know, I would
say that I would say holidays are hugely important for Kiwis.

(43:38):
We work very hard, we work very hard in our holidays.
We need to calibrate things such that it's an easy
path for.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Us to go out on our holidays, holidays over roads.
Do you know what's just occurred to me? January six, Yeah,
a lot of people will start back at work at
about the eighth. Yeah, so they're starting that road work
just as people are finishing up their holiday. There's going
to be massive traffic in the first place, and then
you run into this road closure, it's going to be chaos.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, I guess like January is the Monday. Oh yes,
so that's the that's the that's the Monday. So I
guess they're they're being considerate to the point where they
go well up to that Monday. Then you know from
that that Friday, the third is when people will be
absolutely rinsing it back home. But still you can't start
it on the thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
And just or the or the twentieth, Yeah, or February,
you've still got some warm months. Then, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. I'll tell you what, man, A lot
of teachs are coming through about night cruise, so I'm
keen to know what's wrong with night cruise. I think
that's a sensible idea, genuinely.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Three three shifts, get it done as fast as you can,
and then move on to the next job. And it's
just fixed the country really really quickly.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Right, let's get into this. It is eleven past two, your.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
New home of Afternoon Talk and Taylor Adams Afternoon Call. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
News Talk said, good afternoon. We're talking about the Desert Road.
N ZTA is going to be closing a section of
the Desert Road from jan six, So we've asked the
question is that the wrong move? Should they delay it?
But also we want to know about night cruise. Oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, why can't we just work twenty four hours a day, Yeah,
on the cruise and fly everyone in and get one
bit done and then fly everyone into another bit. So
you can crew it all d but I'm sure the
reason there's a reason why that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
How are you how do you feel about it?

Speaker 23 (45:31):
Well, I've got another stint on it. And my dad
had a trucking business for twenty five years than he
used to. When it was the Desert Road was they
went down through National Park through Abacuni and I've done
that several times. It's actually not a lot of knowledge,
a lot of difference in distone. But also think about

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Aracuni has been pretty badly hit just lately.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 23 (45:57):
People are going a ticky tour, they'll spend a bit
of money and next thing, and it's actually it isn't
actually any further, not a lot further to go down
through there and go down the desert road.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Would that include Tikawiti as well?

Speaker 23 (46:11):
Oh no, no, no gosh. Do you need to get
out of Woking and go through you go down to Reggie,
right it to Reggie, go down to National Park, through
Overcuney and back in at the other end of way. Yeah,
so you're not it's actually not actually a lot they
go inficked. A lot of truckies go that way because

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of the snow and these in the winter.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, someone's saying here it will add an hour and
a half to two hours to the drive.

Speaker 23 (46:41):
Who's saying that?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
This person here in this bit of paper, where is
it saying.

Speaker 12 (46:46):
The hour's sick?

Speaker 8 (46:48):
Rubbish?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Well, I mean maybe at that time of year at will,
when you've when you're redirecting tens of thousands of people
coming back from holidays through there.

Speaker 23 (46:58):
Yeah, but it's actually a good road. It's the better
road than the desert road, I believe it or not.
So why why why do you think all the truckies
go through there? Whin it's winter, A lot of them
come through that and go there because.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, well just on that it was so the person
that said that, his name's Darryl Hoskin and he is
the manager of Dave Hoskin Transport, so he is a
truckie or runs trucking company.

Speaker 23 (47:21):
He healed them. And you know what, I've driven up
many a time as part of my eria down there,
and it's actually not a lot further.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
So if you had the choice, would you take that
route instead of the desert road?

Speaker 9 (47:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Quite up, But I don't right, well I do I
do like your idea of channeling some people through to
put some economic activity into or cooney because they are
having a rough time around there.

Speaker 22 (47:48):
I do.

Speaker 24 (47:48):
I do like that.

Speaker 12 (47:49):
Yeah, there's like Cafe three.

Speaker 23 (47:51):
These people can stop off and go through a Trent
three the thing if they want go and here coming
to eat and keep that place going.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
It's a great place. So I lived there for a season.
I worked up Mount up Who and I'm sure it's
changed now, but maybe it's done me a favor because
I didn't have time to go through it when I
was up here.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
So absolutely, but.

Speaker 23 (48:11):
It's not actually lock there. It's to night drive and
it can have a break, stop off and have a
coffee and carry on.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Okay, okay, all right, thanks for that deep thanks for
cooling down the anger studio here.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, thank you very much. Great. How are you mate?

Speaker 18 (48:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Good mate?

Speaker 9 (48:28):
How are you?

Speaker 14 (48:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Good?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
You want to talk about working overnight?

Speaker 25 (48:32):
Yeah, I'm I don't know whether I'm just being horrible
or what, but I think that the roading companies now
are sort of privatized, and I just wonder whether there's
a bit of I don't want to pay the extra
money that they're going to have to pay those guys
to work overnight, right, whether their costs, whether their costs

(48:52):
as a company go up in the way of wages
and stuff, which I imagine they would, and they don't
want to do that, so they just take the long
route with everybody working the straight shifts on the daytime.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, because in terms of budgets, you'd think that even
if there was an expense for having people working overnights,
getting things done quicker overall, in terms of your wider
infrastructure and the wider administrations for it, getting it just
done would be the way to go.

Speaker 25 (49:23):
That's that's the common sense for out. But it's not
about saving money for those big guys. It's about saving money.
I mean, you've got to pay the CEO at the
end of the year.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Made I mean, yeah, yeah, just on the way that
they're operating.

Speaker 25 (49:36):
I'm just yeah, yeah, But that was just my thought.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yea, yeah, enough to break. Thanks for that, Craig.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We'll pick this back up shortly. Oh, someone's
done some calculations on what the distance is, so too
Dangy to yu Ku via Desit road is sixty two
point four k forty six minutes via Oakuni one hundred
and twelve k one hour and nineteen minutes an extra
half hour or so.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, but I mean you're trying to put a whole
lot of traffic through a smaller funnel. Yeah, so I
imagine they'll be delays added to that. On jan six
good point, right, give us a buzz. It is nineteen
past two.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk zb.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
SO Waka Kotahi NZTR closing the Desert Road for two
months from January sixth, and I was saying, would it
kill them to start that a week or two later
so we didn't ruin people's drive home. There's been some
suggestion that the other route up through National Park is
sweet ass, and there's a lot of people saying no,
it'll be horrible. And we're also discussing the other question

(50:49):
is why can't we work cruise twenty four hours a
day and three shifts and just get things done a
lot quicker so they don't have to close the road
for two months.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, Murray, what's your take on the roadworks?

Speaker 9 (51:01):
These contract infirms I'm not telling you everything about what's
going on with Yeah, they'll be tar ceiling and things
like that. Remember the old TI trucks used to see
them coming out there, see them coming along with all

(51:25):
of steam coming out with top. Yeah, well, I'd like
to know the difference in temperature between this emotion slot
in the car, right.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Because they're saying that the reason why they have to
do it at that time of year is because they
need it to be thirteen degrees at all times or
rest it doesn't work.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
Yeah, but the old stuff, we're so hot that they
didn't move at the temperature of the road too much.

Speaker 15 (52:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, I'm not too sure.

Speaker 9 (52:02):
Of untrue somewhere.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah right, Yeah, I mean I'm not sure. I mean,
I'm not sure if it's going to be steaming at
the back of their machinery when they're closing the desert road.
But I definitely do remember it's steaming out the back
of a bunch of trucks when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, Sparrow, what do you reckon on this closure?

Speaker 9 (52:21):
Good boys, that you're looking good, Tyler, you could have
made more of an effort, but that's right. So Tyler,
have you actually have a driven National Park.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, I live there, Sparrow. I work just season up
at Yeah.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
Yeah, beautiful and people are on holiday. They just need
to take it chill drive down there.

Speaker 12 (52:41):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
It might take an extra half an hour forty five minutes,
but how long would they be stuck waiting for roadworks,
getting their calves covered in tar, kids getting hot and
sweaty in the back seat. It's a it's a better
idea to just shut the road, get it done.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah yeah, someone there quite a few people texting through
saying that the road the other way is crap and
there's no passing lanes at all, so there'll be a
huge bottleneck.

Speaker 9 (53:07):
Let just take time. Everyone's in too much of a rush.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
When don't don't you want to take your time and
spend your time with the family back at where you
were on holiday rather than sitting in the car in
the heat with your kids screaming and yelling at you
from the pecksie.

Speaker 9 (53:24):
Well, you see, if you take National Park you won't.
But and to be fair, it would be quite nice
just to spend time driving, really.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Spare When was the last time you're onoah cooney? What's
it like now? Is it's I mean it's had some
hard years.

Speaker 26 (53:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (53:39):
Look it's looking a bit sad. Really it needs some
life bottom to it, and I do believe that. Yeah,
this will actually give them a bit of a boost.
You know, it'll get businesses up. And I mean you've
got that greater clear shop. Hopefully they'll open that up.
There's going to be a whole heap of traffic because
normally it's only during the during the summer months of

(54:00):
open massive clears.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Oh though, God, you're selling it.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
There's there's also that great park for the kids. I'm
trying to remember the details of it, but I've spent
some time in it. I think it's near the Carrot.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, they do some good carrots. Does the powder Horn
opens out hoping during summer?

Speaker 8 (54:18):
I think so.

Speaker 9 (54:20):
Look, they'd be mad if these bother us didn't open,
if they knew this was happening. It'll be a great
cash injection for them.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Oh boy, the powder Horn is such a cool place
to stay. I stayed there a couple of years ago.
And on the bottom level you've got that giant sparple.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yes, that is so many good days.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
What is it called the grotto or is it called
the something that there's a word for it down in
the air. About that that is that is very very
very cool. It's very twin peaks. For people that are
fans of that David Lynch show from the nineties.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I spent many hours in that grotto. Bran, how are
you good?

Speaker 7 (54:53):
Yourself?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Very good?

Speaker 7 (54:56):
A lot of the guys have taken the sundery of
the the Dominiqu's truck driver and we've always used the
Teminui way because it's always quicker.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It was always quick going down.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
There was always quicker to get in going down through
Telper Way, so the one.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
So you don't think there's any problem at all closing
it on jen Sex. You think that everyone will have
a bit of time going the other way.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
Well, I mean they're going to go that way anyway,
so they're going to turn it off at you're going
to go down, you'll turn right at the National Park,
pass the shadow and come back down over the top
of touring. If you want to go through Capo, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Not fast if you get to Wellington though, is it yep?

Speaker 7 (55:35):
Is that there was There's two of us left and
I went down the State of one and he went
down three and four and and he was basically in
there in front of me, and I had a horstair
truck and what he did, yeah, and he was he
was away in front of me and we hit the
bottom of the bomb base at the same time. I

(55:56):
went to and he went one. And we're carrying the
same way.

Speaker 16 (56:03):
So yeah, oh well, well.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
There you go. I don't know, I'm going to look
that up on Google Map, but i'll tell you for
a brim quick text here, Hi, just regarding the desert road,
they're saying two months, but you know it's probably going
to be a lot longer the way things get done
in New Zealand, and then they'll be there'll be a
weather event and rain, so i'd say four months. How
will they go down the country?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
That's what I'm trying to say, because another text here
has said read the article properly. They have to keep
it at thirteen degrees, so it needs to be in
the high of summer. And I understand that. I understand
the thirteen degrees thing, but I want to know why
we can't run twenty four hour shifts and get it done.
Does it get Will the road surface get below thirteen
degrees at night on the desert road in January. In February,

(56:45):
I don't I don't think so. Yeah, but I could
be wrong. But just in general, I want to know
why you can't run three shifts and run twenty four
hours Singapore styles.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
If you're on a road crew, give us a buzz i.
Wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty eight pass two.

Speaker 13 (57:04):
News talk sai'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Parliament's lawn is overflowing
with people with more than thirty five thousand joining the
National Heikoi protesting the Treaty Principal's Bill to party Madi
MP Hano Rafiti Maypi. Clark has addressed the crowd the
back of her suspension from Parliament. It was after she

(57:26):
led a hakker in Parliament last week as the bill
passed its first reading.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
The world of the watching um Selu Marlin.

Speaker 9 (57:35):
Whatever we do next, all Indians people are relying on us.

Speaker 13 (57:40):
Meanwhile, the Speaker's given MPs involved in last week's harker
during the Treaty Principle's reading until Thursday to plead their
case over allegedly breaching Parliament's rules. Jerry Brownley's confirmed several
privileges complaints have been brought against MPs he didn't name.
Antivak's campaigner, Liz Gungn has failed to get her conviction

(58:01):
thrown out for assaulting an Auckland Airport worker who tried
to stop her filming. The Department of Conservations aware of
a shark attack near the Chatam Islands this morning. Saint
John says it responded just after eleven am. It's believed
there are injuries. Napier Port says, earnings rebound. We'll continue
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(58:23):
Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Twenty eight to three. Thank you railling.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
So the number is more than thirty five thousand for
the protests at Parliament today? How do they get that number?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
That's some quick counting.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Where does that number come from? Is that the official number?
I'm seeing it around here. Someone here is on saying
seventy thousand, someone on line saying fifteen thousand here. So
we just don't have we need official department of counting
numbers of people in places.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
That's our homework tonight We're going to grab a picture
of that drone footage and we're going to painstakingly count
every one of those protests and dogs.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Let's start a new ministry of counting, put redirect billion
dollars towards it and so we can get some accurate numbers.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yep, we'll give you an answer on that tomorrow, rest assured. Right,
going back to the Desert Road closure from June the
sixth to Mark the sixth, and a lot of people
are talking about this alternative road. But we've also asked
the question, why don't we have night crews in New
Zealand like they do in Singapore. Singaporeans get stuff done.
This text is it can be done at night, even

(59:21):
if they only did the road prep at night and
sealed during the day. Downtown Graymouth has been resealed and
they've been working nights only, so go figure.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Yeah, right, so Greytown's Greymouth's probably got slightly less. Yeah, so,
I mean it would be totally different situation there in
terms of what temperature they need to work out, right, Yeah,
So apparently in this one it needs to be thirteen
degrees the whole time. No lower than thirteen degrees the
whole time they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, a minimum ground temperature of thirteen degrees celsius to
carry out pavement works.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah, okay, and so that's why it has to be
done right in the middle of the holidays.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah, Malcolm, how are you hello? How are you going?

Speaker 12 (59:58):
Good?

Speaker 18 (01:00:00):
Yep?

Speaker 26 (01:00:00):
Definitely the Rakuni Way is a good option. We traveled
up that way eight times a year and a couple
of times they'll come back for okuney and it's definitely
a good spot. There was a bloody a very good
fish and chip shop in there as well, which was
quite good. We went there a month or so ago.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
They're going to have a good summer, a very good Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:00:23):
And the other thing with the.

Speaker 26 (01:00:27):
Night shift thing, I don't I'm not a fan of
working not that I've have done it, but working at night,
I think the efficiency must really drop down. But in
saying that, if you're working on the roads, you've got
from five o'clock in the morning till probably ten o'clock
at night, where it's pretty much you can see bearing
them on. You know that the guys would be off
site nine o'clock, back to their workplace and back home.

(01:00:49):
They stopped working on the road at say nine o'clock.
That's all daylight hours, so definitely two shifts you can
do today.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah. I used to work as a shift worker overnight
and I'd get a lot of work done. But boy boy,
it really really messes with your life. Yeah, it does
become you become a different human being from from the
rest of the human beings in the world. But there's
a lot of people out there that do do shift
work and work overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, Malcolm, thank you very much. Andrew, you've got a
theory on the road closure.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
Yeah, hey, guys, how are you doing all right?

Speaker 18 (01:01:20):
You're good.

Speaker 11 (01:01:22):
I think I think a lot of it is about
the cost of traffic management these days, and the cost
of moving road cones around, and because you know, we've
all gone road cone crazy in the country and the
tri the tripping over the trucks that delivered the road
cones half the time. So yeah, I think that's my
it's my theory on it, of course totally substantiated. But
on the other side of it, oh, Akoon's going to

(01:01:43):
go off as and it's going to be like radiator
springs in the cars movement.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I was thinking about that very thing that's radiator springs
in that sad moment when they change the change the
motorway and it gets all quiet. So it's going to
be it's going to be like the reverse Radiator Spring.

Speaker 9 (01:01:58):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 11 (01:01:59):
I think so. And also, you know, they've got a
wonderful children's playground there. Community there have built to a
fabulous playground for the kids, So I mean it's even
fun for the adults as well. That's beautiful and there
actually you stopped there, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Can you describe that playground because I remember visiting that
playground run so and I bought it up before and
I said, they've got a great playground there, but then
I couldn't remember any details of the playground. That's what's
specifically great about it is a bunch of vegetable type
themed playground.

Speaker 18 (01:02:24):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
Yeah, it is, it is, and it's got loads of
interesting features to it that is a lot of fun
for the kids and adults alike as well, so you know,
and it follows this lovely little stream little spring. Yeah,
that's right, Radiator Spring Stream and yeah, but hey, we're
forgetting about you know. The highlight of that road trip
is hor Pito Motors or Smash Palace where all the

(01:02:49):
old cars are stored.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Yeah, that's right, that's on that road.

Speaker 11 (01:02:53):
That is that's if it's open. Yeah, that is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
That is so incredibly cool that that spot when you
go around and you see the times of the cars,
so the cars that have been done by and it's
it's incredible. Also great movie Smith's Palace.

Speaker 18 (01:03:07):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 11 (01:03:08):
And that whole area, that whole area of air is
pretty cool. So you just take your time and enjoy
your travel through there. If you're going that way. It's
not much, like I said, it's not much further than
going down the desert road.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
To be fair about the sort of passing lane situation,
do you think it will get clogged when they shove
everyone through there in the middle of the holidays.

Speaker 11 (01:03:27):
I'm sure everyone will get stuck behind the trucks, no
doubt about that. So yeah, just you just have to
be patient really and pick your times to overtake if
you're going to because you're probably not going to bother
to be fair, because it might be too dangerous with
all the traffic on it, because it's going to be
it's going to be busy. Yeah, so yeah, just take
your time really, and about sitting there too quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Yeah, that's right. So just sit in the zone, put
some some music on, stop off at the playground, get
some fish and chips, enjoy the scenery. That's all great,
unless you've got three kids in the back that are
going mental.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
When we started this conversation, I didn't think it would
be a tourism campaign for Oha Cooney. I'm loving out,
I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
But oh yeah, well, I mean I've flipped arden, don't
this actually because the argument that's come through that funneling
some traffic through Oacuni and it's tough times and all
the beautiful stuff there and I love that area is
actually flipping me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah me too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I mean we arguing a non issue here, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Oh it undred and eighty ten eighty Do we need
to all be diverted to Ohacuney love to hear from you.
Nine two nine two is the text number. It is
twenty two to three.

Speaker 24 (01:04:32):
Have a chat with the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Boys on eight hundred and eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four news Talk said,
be it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Twenty to three. We've been having a chat about the
road closure of the Desert Road from jan the six
to March the sixth. But a lot of people are
calling up saying the alternative A route is the way
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah, and we're loving the idea of or Kenny getting
some business because they've had some tough times. But still
no one's really answered. My key question is why we
can't and not just in this situation, because I understand
there's the thirteen degrees that it has to stay at
and maybe that doesn't happen at night, although you think
it wouldn't Jan on the Desert Road, But why we
can't run roadworks and shifts three shifts so it's working

(01:05:14):
twenty four hours a day. I still haven't got the answer.
And maybe it's something to do with staffing issues. Maybe
it's something to do with labor law. I'm not sure,
but they did it in Singapore, and I have the
caveat on that. I know that Singapore is running a
sho term. The government can do whatever they want. They
just tell you to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Dave might have an answer, you know, Davey good. Now
you're a truckie and you've worked on the roads as well.

Speaker 16 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I've done not a massive amount, but I did
some several construction with subdivisions and that. So we did
a bunch of roading and we're down.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
In Wanaka area and I've just sealed a round the
roundabout in town and they did that.

Speaker 16 (01:05:58):
All at night from six am. So clearly you can.
And we also did. We did the ceiling in May.
Well you got to take your day, but you can
silve still feel of May in central Targo. So yeah,
I think they'd totally be able to do it. And
if they if they um shut the road at say
five pm, they don't have the four and a half

(01:06:20):
thousand light to get the ceiling done, But it all
depends out. You know, they're actually forming up the gravel
part of the road and doing all that, and it'd
be pretty pretty damp hard without decent daylight. You need
a lot of the generative, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Okay, Well that's that's the point that I hadn't thought of.
So you and you need incredible visibility to be able
to do it.

Speaker 16 (01:06:46):
Sorry say again, So that's something I hadn't thought of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
So at night, if you're ceiling roads, then they need
quite a it'll be a huge expense in terms of
generators and lighting. The situation that's maybe a factor I
haven't thought of.

Speaker 16 (01:07:00):
Yeah, that would be and you're just you know, you're
doing a lot of stuff visionally, you're also doing you know,
levels with various things, possibly GPS and whatever. You say, Yeah,
it would be a whole lot harder. Say yeah, but
you could possibly do two shifts, two twelve hour shifts
and do the main the surf on the day, you know,

(01:07:23):
just to get it done quicker. But that doesn't really
help them. It's up to the search.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah. Well, that's my point. It's like, you start, if
you if you work out a way. I feel like
I'm repeating myself and I'm not getting any closer to
the answer for me anyway. But if you started later,
then you wouldn't be interrupting people on their travel, and
you wouldn't be interrupting people your truck drivers and everyone
that's going about their business as well. If it's going
to take three weeks from jan six to the end

(01:07:50):
of March, I mean the end of February, go hard,
do three shifts, work twenty four hours day and get
it done. But someone's saying here, you're saying that they
can't do it at night because of the light. Someone
here's text through on nineteen ninety two that in the
in Oz now that in some parts of Australia are
going twenty four hours on the roads when they're getting
it done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you work
on the roads or you're part of a construction firm,
love to hear from you on this one. Donald, what's
your view on the road closure?

Speaker 28 (01:08:18):
Gooday, plubbly interesting. My dad was in camp and Waura
in the forties and he reckoned the Desert Road was
just a track those days. It was not the main
road before nineteen forty. He went to walk and you
went by a new Plymouth and the Desert Road wasn't
opened as the main highway till well after nineteen The
water we say. I used the Western Highway about nineteen
ninety on a trip up there through our RACOONI and

(01:08:38):
that and I my unfortunate of mechanical breakdown. My Mark
W z for stripped the fiber timing wheel three k's
north of Horripiza auto Wreckers where.

Speaker 29 (01:08:47):
A vice railway via set me on the side of
the road and nobody would stop from Mustard yellow Mark
for z F with no hubcaps because I looked at Absolution,
and I was beautifully dressed up the camera mamb my
neck and walk shorts, and I was realful light a.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
I was in the four of Thesy.

Speaker 28 (01:09:01):
Some Asian stopped there going to Parmis and they told
me he took me back to Ouracuni in the camp.
I happily told my Mark for Zephyr and I have
struck there five days waiting for a five time and
we'll have to come down from Auckland and got the
thing going. You know, that's the last time I used it.

Speaker 19 (01:09:15):
But Western Highway is okay.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
I sort of a bit of jogging around.

Speaker 24 (01:09:18):
Ay.

Speaker 28 (01:09:18):
There's a very sharp bend in the middle of the town.
I reckon someone will roll the truck on it. In
the middle of the main streets. Somewhere there's a very
sharp bend. Actually from memory, but I'm going back to
about nineteen ninety ninety one. So we'll have to take easy.
It'll make the town. It's quite a pretty little town.
But in Febry it's stinking hot of you know what
I mean, you know, But no, the road, it'll be great.
I had not actually been over the Desert Road, believer,

(01:09:40):
not since I was last up that way, which is
nineteen ninety seven, and I've come across over at ten
and eleven at night coming back from holidays in Auckland
and that, but I have not actually been over that
road since nineteen ninety seven. It's the last time I
was in Auckland yet. Previously that i'd go up annually
in that you know, hope do something. I don't know
what they planned, sob was going to be quite major
for some just by the way. For some crazy reason,

(01:10:01):
I've got reluctant to go north of Bulls because I
like a town. You'll be ten days, like between Levin
and Wellington's got a breakdownhe was up there.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
You're stuck by yourself.

Speaker 28 (01:10:08):
But I'll have to bite the bullets and just cruise
up there soon because it was twenty seven years since
I've been to Tip and I barely want to see people,
you know, and I've got more monetarised.

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
By the way now I do have a Mark four
and I've got some other ones that's are new.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
So yeah, something you know, well, Avad Donald, you know,
you run a good internal calendar. You've got good memories
of the years and when and what you were driving.
It's it's quite impressive when we change from because you
don't hear that much talk about the Zephyr. That used
to be considered the sort of the quintessential New Zealand car,
didn't it. You'd hear that the Zephyr, but you don't

(01:10:40):
really see too many Zephas on the road anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
No, it'd be worth big money now, wouldn't they.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Yeah, I'm just so. I was just actually, well you
were talking. I was trying to talk and look up
how much you get for a nineteen seventy Ford ze
Zephyr and that doesn't say it's an auction.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
But yeah, beautiful cars though, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Yeah, at some point, at some point we stopped talking
about Zipher's as much as we used to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Bring back the Zephyr. Ray. How you doing?

Speaker 27 (01:11:06):
Yeah, you fell sort of. If you knew you're going
to talk about this, you should have checked up our
conversation with Walker Court honey, Yeah, over your hours so
that you would have got all the answers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Yeah, they're not answering our calls, mate, we're trying to
get hold of they're not answering our calls.

Speaker 27 (01:11:23):
From A Tucker Hill's been worked on every night for
the last four or five weeks and they still got
another three or four weeks ago and he's taking the
right till Christmas. So you don't have to look a
single poorn. Mates, there's still work going on. It's on
our roads at night.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yeah, as is it going to twenty four hour shift though?
Is what I'm talking about, not just like are they
just working at night? Are they working all day and
then night?

Speaker 27 (01:11:44):
The lights there's still a couple of lights set up
on there during the day because they're part of the
road slump, so it's down the one lane.

Speaker 9 (01:11:53):
On the light system.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yeah, so they're working. Are they're working in the day
and the night?

Speaker 30 (01:11:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Yeah, all right, there no excuse. Okay, So if so,
if they can do it, then why aren't they doing it?
That's my question.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Our preach. You work in civil construction, can you give
us an answer?

Speaker 31 (01:12:13):
Say, Matte, how are you guys?

Speaker 18 (01:12:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Good?

Speaker 9 (01:12:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:12:16):
So I'm actually a SA engineered by trade, and just
a few things I wanted to bring up with a
big thing and this is an engineer's approval. So normally
to get an engineer out on site, you need to
get them five to ten working days notice to just
get them there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Oh right, yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 32 (01:12:31):
And then I just wanted to say also for working
in our cruise, there's a night shift allowance, so it
can be anywhere between forty to sixty dollars. And then
so let's say, if you've got twenty guys working, it's
quite a bit more money than you we're paying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
For days, you know, yeah, right, But I mean I
guess if you if you've got an important road that
a lot of people going down, wouldn't it be worth
that price? And you know that the increased price of
something going for one week as opposed to three weeks.

Speaker 16 (01:13:00):
I mean definitely roads, the national student roads and national
certent efforts, do you want to speed them up?

Speaker 33 (01:13:05):
But you know left have it by the road.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yes.

Speaker 31 (01:13:09):
But then on the other side, us contractors also want
to make a bit of money and try and make
it spend.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
You know, yeah, yeah, and so and I guess you
want to be employed for a certain amount of time.
There's there's a concept that I was reading about, and
it's got a name for it. It's a theorem that
however much time you have, you will fill that amount
of time. Yeah, So you know, if you have three weeks.
You'll take three weeks or twice as long. Yea, so so,

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And they haven't actually exactly worked out why it is,
but that the time you have, even if you double
it at the start, you will still fill it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Is that procrastination. That's what it comes down to, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
No, No, it's I'll find out what the name of
the theory is. But it's it's interesting because they've looked
into it and they've tried to investigate why it happens,
and it's hard to actually put your finger on why
that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number
to call. Will have time for a couple more calls
before we wrap this one up, but it is ten
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Adams afternoons twenty twenty four. You talk'd.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Take to three Malcolm. What do you think about this
road closure?

Speaker 18 (01:14:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:14:15):
Hi, man, I don't know what actually everybody's on about.
We've had night construction here in Taranaki for yonks. They work,
they shut the road, the main stay Highway three at
say Midhurst going towards New Plymouth and it comes out
again at the detour comes out again at Inglewood, but

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they work all night. The lights gone at seven They
start at seven pm at night and the closure comes
off again at seven am and they've got lights and
they've got they don ceiling. It's a load of crap
that they can't do tar ceiling at night.

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
They do it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Okay, Well, it's good to hear Malcolm. Well, I understand here.
There's going to be talking to Waka Kotahi on her
show later on, so they'll get to the answer whether
they're going to attempt to do it twenty four hours
on the desert road.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yep, we'll get an answer on that. Toby, you're a
lucky last. We've got sixty seconds.

Speaker 34 (01:15:12):
Nice hey, just back to that. It's called schoolboys syndrome
where you fill the time you're allocated. Just by the
way we learn about it space that comes back to exam.
So yeah, I've been doing I work down in Wellington
and yet is absolutely you can definitely do it in
the twenty four hour shifts. So I think it'll be
a lack of management. It's just getting the management from
the tier one contractors is you've got every chance in

(01:15:35):
the world and getting subcontractors come and do the work
in this current market and either that all the temperatures
is my only guess for why they don't want to
do it.

Speaker 16 (01:15:43):
Just just a risk.

Speaker 12 (01:15:43):
You might get sixty.

Speaker 34 (01:15:45):
Percent of the nights might be good for ceiling, but
those are the forty percent the cost the risk might
be too much for them to just to weigh up. Basically,
so that's the reason I can think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Okay, well, thanks so much for you for your call, Toby,
you called a school boys schoolboys law. I'm talking about
hof Status law, which Hofstad's law states that the project
always takes longer than expected even when the law is
taken Toto accounts put time estimates for how long a
project will take to complete alway is full short of
the actual time required to complete it. The law holds

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through even when the time allotted is increased to compensate
for the human tendency towards underestimation. In other words, the
law still proves true even when you factor in the
possibility that you may need more time to complete the project.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Holfted As law has frequently evoked in the context of
it and software development is particularly relevant. Time management productivity
project management and DevOps. So that's interesting. So even if
you take it into account, it still takes longer than
you expect it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
So it's not going to take two months, it's going
to take longer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Yeah, well potentially, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Right, that is where we'll leave it, because after three
o'clock we want to talk about fasting. On the back
of Bruce Springsteen and Matt's new make Chris Marson having
one meal a day, they rave about it. So keen
on your thoughts about fasting very shortly. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. Very very
very good afternoon to you new sport, and weather on

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its way will catch you soon, get to you, come.

Speaker 22 (01:17:12):
Back your town to set you on your feet again.
Maybe you get replace man spending like me to be
found my room to ain't gotta pass.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Been totting this idea.

Speaker 22 (01:17:46):
Still cattle in this room, were the dogs out?

Speaker 9 (01:17:51):
Decided out the cat.

Speaker 22 (01:17:58):
Boat aloud as the hundred and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
By your new home for instateful edit a teening talk.

(01:18:41):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk
Sebby Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Welcome back into the show. Seven past three, final hour
for us. For today, Let's have a chat about fasting.
Is it healthy to eat just once a day? Bruce
Springsteen thinks so. So he's still going hard at seventy five.
He's played more than one hundred shows in twenty twenty
three and twenty twenty four combined. He sits routinely the

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top three hours, and he has shows booked through to
next July. So how does he fuel himself through such
a grueling routine? He says, I quote, I have a
bit of fruit in the morning, then he'll have dinner
that has kept me lean and mean. So this diet
eating one meal a day is sometimes called the omad diet.
It is catching on in celebrity circles. Chris Martin is

(01:19:29):
another who swears by him but one meal a day.
According to doctor Carolyn Obvian, a obesity specialist at Brigham
and Women's Hospital in Boston, says it is not a
good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
What sir rational around that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
She says that she is a proponent of intermittent fasting
in general and recommends it to many of her patients
with obesity, But one meal a day she thinks is
slightly too far.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Yeah, well, the thing is with any diet like that,
and good on Bruce Springsteen seems to be working for him.
He's in good shape for his age. Although when he
was singing at one of those Karmela rallies he was there,
it was I've been to Bruce Springs Bruce Springsteen live
before and he sounded great, but he didn't sound great
at that re for some reason. But yeah, I mean,
the problem with it is whether you can keep it
up or not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
So someone said to me, if you're going to start
a diet, then ask yourself, can you keep that going
for the rest of your life? And I've tried into
mint it fasting, and look, I'm not at my peak weight.
I'm at the whatever end of the yo yos. That's
ten kg's above where I need to be. But I
just find anything that that. So what I did was

(01:20:33):
I was not eating. I was eating my final meal
at about before seven o'clock at night and not having
my next meal to lunch the next day. But I
just found out. But by the time I got to lunch,
I just was so ravenous. I just slammed so much
food at lunch that it would offset the advantage, because
I guess the advantage of not eating is you're burning

(01:20:55):
the calories while you're doing stuff. And we have quite
a sedentary life now compared to what it used to be,
and we have much bigger servings than we used to have.
And there's lots of problems with you know, corn syrup
and all the different sugars and our meals and our
food now. But I just think that my problem with fasting.
I love to hear from people on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty around it is just any diet that

(01:21:18):
involves that much willpower is doomed to fail. So is
the best diet just eating smaller amounts? And a lot
of people talk about whole foods, But what is the
diet that works? And because interimute fasting I've tried, I've
tried a lot of different things and it just blows
up in my face and I have an equal and
opposite reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Yeah, I'll tell you when I tried that didn't work
well at all. The Keto diet it was massive about
a couple of years ago, so maybe my partner may've
tried it. That is pretty much zero carbs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Yeah, and I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
All the joy was just sucked out of our lives. Honestly,
it was. I just thought this is horrible, did it
for about two weeks and thinking I am so miserable,
so miserable.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
I tried the Carnival diet for a while. I'm pretty
sure I got scurvy. So is that the problem? It's
just trying diets and trying things and fasting and all
these kind of things. You're always trying something rather than
doing what you actually need to do is three meals
a day, smaller helpings, healthy whole foods.

Speaker 18 (01:22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Is it just eating like you should, like normal, you know,
rather than trying to come up with some kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Thing overthinking it? Is that what you do now? You
try and keep it simple as long as it's real food.
You have your three meals a day. You're feeling pretty
good these days.

Speaker 22 (01:22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Well, whatever I'm doing is not working, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
So, oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty the phone lines
have let up. Let's get into it. It is ten
past three, thirteen past three.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
So Bruce Benstein, the boss, has said he's eating once
a day and he's finding all the energy he needs
and he's looking pretty good. You got to say for
his age. I believe he's seventy five. Yeah, but does
it work for you? It hasn't worked for me. We're
talking about diets here. There's a text come through a
nine two nine two. Why don't you people just move?
If you're a fat bastard, just get off your ass

(01:23:02):
fastness for slabs that just can't put the doughnut down,
Billy commonly put it, best move more eat less. You're
fair bastards. So I mean, that's that's a simplistic view
that's come through from being fair.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Advice though, Emma, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:23:17):
I'm good?

Speaker 19 (01:23:17):
How are you?

Speaker 14 (01:23:18):
Guys?

Speaker 23 (01:23:18):
Great shows, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Oh thank you so much. Emma. So you're a fan
of intermittent fasting or nay?

Speaker 24 (01:23:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely So.

Speaker 35 (01:23:26):
I've been doing it for about two and a half years.
But I'm a functional health coach as well, so I
as had it for my clients, but.

Speaker 23 (01:23:33):
I'm doing it more for the health benefits.

Speaker 35 (01:23:35):
So the reason I've started doing it is because it
basically gets rid of the cellular debris that you have
in your body that you don't need. So pretty infected,
pre cancerous, you know, the crap that your body doesn't
need to get rid of it through this process called autophogy,
and that kind of kicks in about our fastem and

(01:23:55):
then it just means that you also, because you're resting
and digesting your body, your body is much more efficient
to process the food when you are eating it, and
it gives me so much more energy. So I used
to kind of get the two pm slump, you know,
and reach the coffee, and now I've just got energy

(01:24:15):
all day, which is amazing, particularly when you're running around
after kids and stuff. But also for promoting longevity, so
it promotes it prevents neurodegeneration, so it stops that brain
from shrinking and has been said to prevent dementia and Alzheimer's.
So I think the weight loss side of things, you know,

(01:24:36):
if you need to lose weight, it's an added benefit,
but the benefits for longevity for me and my clients
I think is just so awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:24:46):
So it's no brainer.

Speaker 35 (01:24:47):
And like, I don't do it during the weekend, so
I go out, you know for brunch or whatever on
a Saturday or Sunday. I'll just eat normally. But during
the week.

Speaker 12 (01:24:56):
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
And yeah, bodies have evolved, haven't they to go without
food for a long times, hours several Times's only very
recently that humans have been able to just grab food
anytime they want. And so what you're saying is if
you're just eating the whole time, your body really needs
never gets the chance to deal with it at a
cellular level.

Speaker 23 (01:25:17):
Totally.

Speaker 9 (01:25:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:25:18):
And the other thing is is it's no, that's just
gone out of my head.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
What Emma, what?

Speaker 20 (01:25:25):
What?

Speaker 13 (01:25:26):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
What is your what is your regime? Your internet for
your intimate at fasting regime? Because Bruce Springsteen's come out
this week and said that he's only eating once a day,
Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 9 (01:25:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 35 (01:25:36):
No, So I'm like, I eat dinner and then I
don't eat till lunch time. You're not, and then you
kind of you just eat normally when you're you know,
back on your eating window. But what I found is
when I first started doing intimate and fasting.

Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
I was starving.

Speaker 23 (01:25:51):
I used to wake up starving for breakfast.

Speaker 35 (01:25:54):
And now you know, after two and a half years,
I don't get hungry at all until I'm ready to eat.
Then I have a normal lunch and I might have,
you know, a little snack in the afternoon and then
dinner and it's enough.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
So you mentioned clients before. Are you a nutritionist or
you work in health.

Speaker 35 (01:26:11):
How Yeah, I'm a functional health coach, so I help
people rabbit hole. They wrote card symptoms. And the other
thing that's really cool about intermident fasting is as we age,
we get a lot more insulin resistant and a lot
more people these days are getting type two diabetes, and
intermittent fasting helps regulate your insulin levels as well, so

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there's a benefit there too as we age to prevent
that insulin issue.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
The problem for me, though, Emma, was that when I
was doing this, and I'm actually getting inspired and now
listening to you to get back to it, but was
that when I did actually eat, I was so ravenous
at lunchtime that I would just packing so much food
that it seemed to me that I was over calorate,
getting too many calories.

Speaker 35 (01:26:59):
Anyway, what I find with my clients is that can
happen in the first couple of weeks and it's just
your body kind of balancing out. But it's just kind
of setting boundaries for yourself around eating as normally as possible,
because obviously you're not going to get the benefits if
you are taking it all in. So I find that
people do tend to as they carry on with it,

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they tend to eat less or just eat normally.

Speaker 23 (01:27:25):
Yeah, but it does.

Speaker 35 (01:27:28):
I mean, it's a lifestyle. Also. The other thing is
it's not a diet for me. It's not a diet
for my clients. It's a way of life, and it's
just promoting you know, you to be happy and healthy
into your IP.

Speaker 22 (01:27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
So what you're saying there I was saying before as well,
is if you're going to start something, then it's it's
a diet that you're going to do forever. So you're
not starting something to lose weight and try and cut
ten kgs and then you'll go back to normal. But
you've got to say, well, this is me now I'm
eating I'm only having two meals a day forever.

Speaker 24 (01:28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:28:02):
Yeah, And I mean, and it's not for everyone. So
you know, some people try it.

Speaker 9 (01:28:06):
And it's not for them.

Speaker 35 (01:28:08):
You know, you wouldn't go on onto intermittent fasting if
you did have insolent issues, and obviously you've got to
check with your doctor and stuff to make sure it's
the right thing. But you know, for most people it
can be really beneficial for health outcomes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Emma.
Of course, doctor Michael Morley who was one of the
biggest proponents of intimate fasting, and I interview him a
few years ago. Of course he died this year, didn't
he He did, Yeah, went off for a walk. Wasn't
related to the interimedate fasting. No, it was related to
leaving his phone at home and something happened anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Yeah, very so believed, very tragic. Quick text to the
break then we'll pick up the phone. Calls again. Get
a guys, great topic. I've been doing intermittent fasting for
five years, doing twenty to twenty two hours weekdays and
sixteen to eighteen weekends. Lost ten kilo full of energy
laser sharp focus from Nick.

Speaker 12 (01:28:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
I mean, probably the easiest way to do it is
if you do it over to night, so you're asleep
for a lot of it. So if you finish at
you know, eating at seven, then you don't need to larn,
which then you can get in three plus two plus
twelve seventeen hours just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Yeah, is that right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
I think we're mastering. Might even be nineteen hours there,
I'll work out. I'll get a pen of paper out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've done INTI
minute fasting, love to hear from you, or if you
are a proponent about one meal a day, I love
to hear from you as well. Nine two nine two
is a text number.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
It was seventeen hours.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
He I was right, seventeen bang on, it is twenty
past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
So we're talking about Bruce Springsteen, the boss. He's only
in one meal a day, and he says it's amazing,
giving him the energy to stay on tour at his age.
Text through on nine two nine two. Try telling people
in poverished countries it's all good to eat one meal
a day. You will live for ages. Never heard so
much twiddle from a non health professional. So I just
sent that person. If you're listening, this article here from

(01:30:06):
John Hopkins University is some pretty good science behind it.
And also, yeah, I won't try should we let's not
ring up? Should we ring in? A popous country and
tell them to have one meal a day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
That doesn't sound a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
I don't think I think that's a relevant text.

Speaker 9 (01:30:19):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
What else have we got, John, you've been doing it
for three years?

Speaker 14 (01:30:24):
Yeah, it works really well for me. Don't run out
of energy I've got and helps us really good. You
got to get us once you're.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Yeah, and John, what's what's your program?

Speaker 14 (01:30:43):
I just see once a day?

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Just once a day?

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
And what what?

Speaker 14 (01:30:46):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
What time of day is that?

Speaker 14 (01:30:49):
Excuseually? Got one two o'clock?

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Oh? Wow? And so and so when you first started
doing it, did you did you struggle? How how quickly
did you get in line where you could actually do it?
Was was when the will will came in to be
able to pull that off?

Speaker 14 (01:31:05):
Ah, to be honest, avoid being able to go.

Speaker 9 (01:31:11):
Food.

Speaker 14 (01:31:11):
Some people can't.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Help too bad.

Speaker 27 (01:31:17):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, I think it will trigger well
and my house genuinely, John, generally I'm sixty three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're doing well generally. Are you saying
with one meal a day that you still don't get
hunger pangs at nighttime before you go to bed or
maybe in the morning.

Speaker 14 (01:31:35):
No? Not now, No, you know, look to go out
and want to go to whatever.

Speaker 30 (01:31:42):
I like.

Speaker 14 (01:31:43):
You know you don't. I don't think you want to
be super. I feel like having something to just do.
But you know, nineteen the time is one one the
other day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
I think that's a that's a really good point because
people do these things and then they make one mistake
in it and then they go, you know, they make
one variation and then they throw the whole thing out
and go, I'm not doing it anymore because I haven't.
I haven't kept it going. But it should just be
a thing. If you decide to do it, will you
do it while you're doing it? And if you have
a meal on one day and the wrong time, then
that's fine. Then you just go back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Yeah, John, thank you, Yeah, you go. Thanks mate.

Speaker 29 (01:32:19):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
You're the same age as met you reckon, and you've
gone through quite a transformation.

Speaker 9 (01:32:25):
Yeah what are you met?

Speaker 12 (01:32:26):
Fifty four to fifty three?

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
No, no, but around that but younger than that. But yeah,
and as the transformation around your belly.

Speaker 18 (01:32:33):
Nah, Well what happened was over about an eighty month
period up until July this year. I blew up from
like eighty six kg where I've been forever to ninety seven, right,
and I'm like, I was just.

Speaker 9 (01:32:46):
I'm just unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
So I got a bit crook.

Speaker 18 (01:32:50):
In July, actually got the mayocarditis, which was a bit freaky.
And on the back end of that they said to me, look,
you're only allowed to walk four hundred meters a day
for a month. You're not allowed to do anything. You're
allowed to push yourself.

Speaker 24 (01:33:03):
So I started with that.

Speaker 18 (01:33:05):
All I used to do is I'd drive through I
live in Cambridge, I drive through it Hamilton to Port
Stadium and I'd walk around the four hundred meter track
really strictly.

Speaker 15 (01:33:13):
And I started off doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
I lapp in about four.

Speaker 18 (01:33:15):
Minutes thirty and then I started to power up and
pushed my legs, push my legs, got it down to
under four minutes, then pushed it up to eight hundred,
then twelve, sixteen hundred. Now I'm up to five k's
a day. So this is four months later and I'm
eighty nine point six. So I was a fortnight ago,

(01:33:38):
eighty eight point seven yesterday. So what I've done is
a at all the crap. No Lolly's Frickin' lolly lollies.

Speaker 16 (01:33:48):
Lolly's lollies are.

Speaker 18 (01:33:50):
Really bad, like gummy beer, all that crap that you're like, oh, oh,
you know, because you mumbled leg you have it, so
you can have it really bad.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Don't do it.

Speaker 18 (01:33:58):
Don't eat pies, don't eat anything processed. Stick to natural foods.
Put butter on bread. I do this butter on bread
because margarine's only one element removed from motor fuel.

Speaker 15 (01:34:09):
So yeah, I butter on bread, lettuce, cheese, ham.

Speaker 18 (01:34:16):
Mustard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Sounds pretty good.

Speaker 24 (01:34:18):
What about it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Shows you?

Speaker 9 (01:34:21):
Look.

Speaker 18 (01:34:21):
But I'll make them with I make them individually, and
I'll use the beans, the you know, the what he's
hot beans, those mild hottened things. I use those instead
of the mince. And I've had benefits from that, so
I don't use the mints, use the beans.

Speaker 7 (01:34:39):
Think.

Speaker 18 (01:34:40):
Just think about it and say to yourself. They love
fat man to say to yourself before you consume it.
And you've got you've got what you've got to work.
I started out, I ended up about sixteen and a
half seventeen minutes intensive walking. We're eighteen. That would bugger
me because you're all strict way on the track that
your legs. Everything's kept in beautiful form, and it actually

(01:35:03):
hurts because it's it's it's really even and you get
the response mechanism from from the from the track.

Speaker 12 (01:35:09):
That worked for me, and it helped to feel like I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:35:12):
Gaining stability under myself and I could feel my breath
coming back. And now I'm to the point where I'm
allowed to push myself a little bit, not going pushing
marathons like I think. This is an eighteen month journey
for me from where i was in July with the
heart and thing that I've got to take my time
slowly to build up that capital in the bank for

(01:35:33):
myself and also get that habit change as well. So
this year I've gotten rid of a lot of things
that I'd normally do in summer because I said to myself,
not doing gardening. I'm just going to focus on my
exercise every day.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Got on your mark. And that's interesting we say about
concentrating on your eating because another thing that's really really
good as mindful leading. So instead of just throwing food
down your throat when you start to eat, if you
slow down and you try and think about every mouthful,
think about everything you put into your mouth, that's that's
a huge way to stop eating so much, and I've
got to get back to doing that because that was

(01:36:07):
the thing that worked the best for me back back
in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Game Changer, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call love to hear from you if
you're into intimate fasting. All this o mad diets this.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Texas says, I'm into intermittent fasting. When I'm at home,
I only eat every three to four minutes. Then I
scroll YouTube look at hot chicks, some of which I
show to my wife, some I don't. So that's adds
to the conversation as well.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about this so
mad Diert, Bruce Springsteen and Chris Martin, among others, are
raving about it. It's when you have one meal a day.
Quick text here, boys, I've been o madding weekdays for
three years, super focused throughout the day. Lows have lost
a lot of weight. Takes a while to get used to,
but your stomach definitely will treat myself to a nice

(01:38:17):
lunch and dinner at the weekends as I've earned it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Wow. Yeah, good on you. Well, because apparently according to
this text here one two nine two, sir Cliff Richard
is on the one meal a day as well. So
all the big names just eating one meal a day.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Yeah, Paul, you're into intimittent fasting as well.

Speaker 9 (01:38:33):
Yeah, I've been doing it for a couple of years now,
and and I cut out carbohydrates. I cut out potato
and bread and pasta and all that sort of stuff,
and I've done pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
How much of your lost?

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Wow? Wow? And so you're saying, and you're saying, and
you've cut carbs out as well, do you have enough energy?

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
You?

Speaker 9 (01:39:00):
Actually, I don't know why. I don't know how it works.
You end up with more energy, and I don't feel angry,
and I find it very easy to go through an
evening and not worry about having a meal, even when
my other half is making one to her.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Yeah right, So.

Speaker 9 (01:39:16):
Yeah, I just I don't have any problem with it.
I don't feel hungry, and I just feel as I'm
doing a lot, doing a lot better for myself, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Yeah, you go through a lot, do you throw them
out when you get down to a new level or
because I've done that before, I've got a gone to
a low level, I go that I'm here now, and
then on the way back up, I have to get
back into the large and then the extra large.

Speaker 9 (01:39:43):
I've got a wardrobe from from very large to where
I am now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Yeah, and hopefully don't go back to that. It's interesting
what you say about the energy, but I think what
makes us feel tired, like constantly digesting food as well
takes takes energy and slows us down when we're actually
digesting the food. And I think that's part of the
reason when you're when you're not eating as often intermed
it fasting as you do, get those extra energy levels
because you're not having to constantly recess the food.

Speaker 9 (01:40:10):
I think carbohydrates definitely make you sluggish.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Yeah, so without that energy, Poul, forgive my my ignorance,
but what are you running on if you're having no carbs?
What is actually fueling that energy?

Speaker 9 (01:40:22):
Protein, eggs, chicken, stuff like that what do you do
for for a job, Paul, I'm sort of singer retired.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Yeah, because I mean a lot of people are pointing
out here on the text machine of nine two nine
two that it's all very well for people like myself
that sit on their ass talking all day to be
talking about intimate fasting. But if you're doing if you're
a trad and you're you know, you're out there doing
a very physical job, it's it's it's quite tough to
not be eating.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Yeah, he care af All we do.

Speaker 9 (01:40:55):
Is intimacy fast and cut out carbohydrates. They will still,
regardless of how physical their job is, they will have
enough energy and not feel hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yeah, right, because you know, most trade's need to get
buy in a pie, a v a vape and maybe
a gem donut.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
That's a good day.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Just that's the Trady diet.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Just quickly, Paul, because you mentioned though carbs, which is
effectively keito, right, And I mentioned before me and my
partner tried qito and I felt terrible. I felt like
the joy had been sucked out of my life. But
I honestly felt so title the time. Did I not
just not do it for long enough?

Speaker 9 (01:41:31):
You didn't you didn't get past that period of you
You get to a point with Keto where you just
sort of end up on a kind of a high,
you know, yeah, right, and you just feel great. And
then because you feel great, you're even more committed to
doing it, you know, and then after a period of time,
it becomes.

Speaker 24 (01:41:49):
A way of light.

Speaker 9 (01:41:50):
But you know, I mean, should I really like mess potatoes?

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Yeah, that's the thing in this text to here. I know,
two big of this stuff. I like food too much.
And that's fine. If you just love food and you're
happy with the way it is, then you be you. Yeah,
that's fine. And also you get some people that just
seemed to be able to pilot through the system and
they're sweet ass.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
But me, boy, oh boy, I'm a yo yo. I'm
I'm yo yoing about fifteen kg's up and down constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty three minutes to four.

Speaker 14 (01:42:28):
He's done.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
New take on talk bag man Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talks.

Speaker 24 (01:42:35):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
So we're talking about look a lot of people. You've
got Chris Martin, a lot of rock stars. You've got
Bruce Springsteen, We've got some other guy. I've forgot Cliff Richard.
I need him once a day. And also remember reading
about I know he's not the healthiest looking guy, but
Keith Richards, I on, he EAT's about every two days
and it's a shepherd's pie. Some pep someone s here saying,

(01:42:58):
all your people on diets is too lazy to excise.
Look at the weight they can lose when you walk
or run it off. I don't know about that. I
reckon you have to run and walk a long long
way to get off the amount of food that you're
putting in there. I think to lose weight, you need
to do exercise and you need to eat less. I
think that's that's that's it's the eighty twenty Yeah, something

(01:43:22):
like that between between the effect on you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
I tried to put it to the test where I
went for a hike for a week and was eating
pretty well. I thought, right, I'm walking eight hours a day,
how much weight am I going to lose over the week?
And I lost less than a kilo. Yeah, so and
that's a lot of walking eight hours a day for
a week.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Well, look at me. I mean I ran, I went
for a half hour run today, but then I just
what was I eating there? I was eating some cake there,
So that that's on me. There was a text here
that I've just sort of missed, but it was talking
about all you people, was it. It was basically saying
there so many texts coming through and so many calls
coming through, but it was sort of saying, we don't
need any of these kind of diets. Look at our

(01:44:01):
grandparents because they were they were so thin. But that's
that's the thing. The food was different and it was
harder to get and people were just more active back
in the day. I mean, I was even reading this
article about how having a remote control is really affecting
people because people just sit still and they watch TV
and they go into a sedentary state. They don't even
get up to change their channels. For the longest time,

(01:44:21):
for our parents, they at least had to get up
and change the channel. And now people are just sitting
watching Netflix on their laptops and just getting in a
complete vegetative state for hours and hours in the evening.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Andy, you've lost a lot of weights with what is
it inter minute fasting.

Speaker 20 (01:44:39):
No, it's got an interesting journey actually. So at the
beginning of the year, I decided to do the calorie counting.
Thanks and oh yeah, it's about one hundred kilos. The
Samsung and the iPhones like a healthcare on them. If
you could punch themat putting your mouth in, it calculates
it all. So I decided if I hob it around

(01:45:00):
sixteen hundred to two thousand calories a day, I should
drop a little bit of weight for a man of
my orage. Because you bought me users it had a
thousand just the brain and the bubble was just normally breathing. Anyway,
I had a long story short. I went from one
hundred kilos and I was exercising up down to ninety three.
Took a few months to get there, and then just
recently I ended up in the hospital for a month

(01:45:23):
and I was getting three meals a day in hospital
and I was there for a month and lost ten kilo.
Oh wow, and yeah, and they were giving me three
meals a day, and what it was was now worked
out as portions. I was yeah, right in the morning
to give you breakfast and to be a small bowl
of cereal or porridge, piece of fruit, and some toast

(01:45:43):
of bread. I wasn't eating bread, okay. Then lunch was
either a sandwich or a potata and a piece of fruit,
and then dinner was a protein like a meat or
some form a casserole or whatever, and two veges and
one would be like a potato mashed potatoes like a
carp and then.

Speaker 8 (01:45:58):
A green bench.

Speaker 20 (01:45:59):
And I was basically repeated every day and I wasn't
doing anything. I lost ten kilows but in the hospital
for a month.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Yeah, it kind of seems like some mess of this
list going in the that there's less going on. So
are you okay?

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
After you is everything sorted out from that was putting
the situation that put you in hospital?

Speaker 32 (01:46:17):
You sorted now wellated half so yeah, I guess half
your work.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Sorry, oh your thumb.

Speaker 20 (01:46:28):
To the super bargan.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah that is.

Speaker 9 (01:46:40):
But yeah, I went from.

Speaker 20 (01:46:41):
Ninety three eighty three and now I've been out of
the hospital about six weeks, but I'm holding around eighty eight.
I'm going to m can.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
It feels good when you get into the EMSH. I'm
comfortable in the MS. I'm currently in the large putting
the pushing the extra large to your call.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Andy, Yeah, thanks Andy, buying some T shirts the other
day that I needed. I thought I was still an
m but they're super tight, so I can't actually wear himself.
Anyone's after some T shirts. I've got plenty there. I
got this text here on nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
I've eaten my fifth pie today, down from ten pis
cheers from Mike, but we don't have any details about
whether the ten pires a day or five piles a day.
Dieters working for Mike Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
What was the key to your weight loss?

Speaker 14 (01:47:27):
Hi, guys.

Speaker 36 (01:47:27):
So mine's again a bit of a different sort of journey.
And I was sort of hovering around the sort of
one hundred and twenty kg's for a while and I thought, oh,
this is just felt slaggish and all the rest of it.
And I've always liked my food, you know, I always
liked the sort of the savories and the sweets. But anyway,
what I thought I would just try is as water,

(01:47:50):
and I had a hydration to the way there where
I just drank lots of water and I've lost twenty
three kg's over what I've read about a year and
a half. Yep, and it's just made my skin better.
But I'm looking and feting so good, more energy, and
I think what's happened is the water volume. You know,
I don't drink sort of I don't drink in big

(01:48:12):
amounts to sort of sep water during the day, but
it ends up being about three liters or two and
a half to three liters a day, and I think
what it does is depressous food a bit. So I'm
sort of in the same sort of food that I
was eating, but a lot of this. But I've always,
you know, I've always had a good balanced diet with
you know, meat and bite I love my beacon bites.
But it's just the sort of weaknesses of going to
the local serviceation bakery at lunchtime of work and you know.

(01:48:37):
But yeah, so I'm really feeling really good, and I've
got about six kges to go to my goal weight
and there'll be you know, the loaders. I've been for
probably fifteen years, and yeah, it's been really amazing journey.
Even you my friends sort of just keep commenting about
how well you look, and it's just quite a compliment,
even though I haven't followed any diets.

Speaker 16 (01:48:57):
Or looked at any research or googled.

Speaker 14 (01:48:59):
You know, diets.

Speaker 36 (01:49:01):
I did try it fast thing a few years back
with a make of mine and he was fasting one
day a week and what I founders still a four
o'clock in the afternoon. I was so hungry that I
would get into some bad habits again in the evening.

Speaker 30 (01:49:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Yeah, I mean if you could, if you could decide
that whenever you were going to the fridge, because part
of the problem that we have is we eat when
we're bored. So you go to do something, or you
eat because there's a break in something you're doing. You
just go and eat something. But if you could actually
make it that you replace that with go and have
a glass of water, then I mean basic physics. You've
got water coming on board instead of calories, you're gonna

(01:49:38):
you're gonna lose some weight.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
But does it go back to your mind for eating?
Is that kind of what it's about that I bought
a meat like nobody else. Yeah, just because I'm feeling
a bit antsy and bored, I'll just open up the
fridge and have some cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Yeah, Oh my god, cheese is the worst. That's what
I'm always doing. I'm always finding myself over at the
fridge and We've got the bag of grated cheese, and
I'm just in there, and my partners always going, what
are you doing over there? I say nothing, But what
I'm doing is getting a handful of cheese and shoving
it into.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
My mouth, squeezing it into a nice ball.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
Yeah, just because there's nothing a particular reason, just because
you know, I've been watching some TV or something, and
then I'll go and shove some cheese in my face
and then I'll sit down and then thirty seconds later
I'm back out with the cheese.

Speaker 30 (01:50:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Ross, you're fasting?

Speaker 33 (01:50:21):
Yeah, Hello, sharing my experience. I walk every morning at
five o'clock for an hour and then sort of brisk walking,
and then breakfast is green Kiwi and a banana and
maybe a drink of water or a cup of tea,

(01:50:42):
and then lunch I have about one o'clock that's played
Newsley and the drip Mink and then a meal of
subset a middle of the evening about for upper five six.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
And I've lost.

Speaker 33 (01:50:59):
I was one hundred and ten three months ago, and
that out of eighty still going down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
It's a lot of ways in three months.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Ross, it is yes, do you think you can keep
that up for a diet like that up forever? Because
it sounds like you're having to use a little bit
of willpower to keep that going.

Speaker 33 (01:51:19):
A lot of will powers a problem when your body
gets tuned. If I only drink when I get when.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
I feel thirsty, yeah, well, I mean, I mean speaking
of drink. The drinking of the alcohol is a huge
problem of people putting on weight for a number of reasons. One,
you put on weight from the alcohol and the sugar
in it. Secondly, if you're hungover, than any potential diet
that you're running will immediately go out the window. And

(01:51:46):
there's no one more ravenous for junk food than someone
want to hang over.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Heck you, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call have time for a couple more?
It is eleven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Trends, and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
That and Tyler Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four
used talk said, be would there be Thomas?

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
You're intimatedtent fasting?

Speaker 24 (01:52:12):
Yeah, for just number two years now?

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
And how's it going?

Speaker 15 (01:52:17):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:52:17):
Beautiful?

Speaker 24 (01:52:18):
How much I can't have anything well, from what I
have listened to so far, people seem to restrict everything
at once. What I did was, let's say, cut out
your sugar and coffee for ustar and have the milk
and coffee. And you do that for probably a couple

(01:52:38):
of months, and then you get used to that, and
then you cut the cut of milk out of the coffee. Right.
Four steps. And to answer your question on where you
get your caps from menu, if you were to do
indim and fasting, let's say eating fruits, veggies, et cetera,
Well there was carps in fruits veggies. Your protein gets
converted to carps. If you need your brain needs a

(01:53:00):
lot of carps. I mean a lot of a lot
of glucose to run. So you definitely get your well
the body won't disappoint your brain, right mm hmm, So
definitely you get your ATPs or whatever glucose or whatever
out of what you eat. I've listened to a lot
of science related articles and and and and podcasts and

(01:53:21):
all that which pushes you to eat more fat. That's
what they say. You eat more fat, less sugar, no
sugar whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
If you can and foe, yeah, well, thank you very much. Thomas.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Well, you know I'm going to do now. I'm going
to do it because recently there was a video up
that went up with me telling my Coldplay story, and
whilst I was listening to the words, I was mainly
looking at me going geez mate, when did you get
so porky? So I'm going to jump on the I'm
gonna inspired by Bruce Springsteen and Chris Martin and sir who.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Was Cliff Ridge?

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Who's Cliff Ridge? All with the one other day. I
want to get back into the intimate fasting. So tomorrow
I'll report back my what my weight was. I'll start
you to mend it fasting, and let's see if I
can get myself healthy, more energetic and less porky.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Oh, this is gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
I'll report back to you see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Are you gonna get a nutritionus you reckon?

Speaker 18 (01:54:19):
Nah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
No, No, I'm just gonna do that. I'm just gonna
inter minute fast. I'm gonna I'm gonna have my last
meal before seven o'clock and I'll have my first meal
at lunch, and that'll be it, and see how it goes.
You'll probably you'll hear a sprightly bouncy, more energetic person,
or you'll hear an angry, bitter, hungry, calorie to frive person.
And you can judge for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Do you want to set a target for how much
weight you think you'll lose?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Well, let's see. I reckon looking at me now, I
could do with losing fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Whoa, that's a big number.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Ok ge. Yeah, well, I don't know. I've got to
weigh myself, I'll say, and see what I weigh and
see what I'm going to remove.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
You're on your own, man, I'm not joining you on that.
I'm eating my Kentucky Fried chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Yeah. So maybe I'll do a weekly way in on
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Okay, looking for it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Yeah, I'll do a Friday way in and then and
see where we go. To keep me honest, people can
keep me honest on nine two nine two. Yeah, and
if you see me on the street, call me a
porker and that will help.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Very good. Hey, thank you very much for today. That
is us. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Yeah, and hey, give him a taste to keep me
from me?

Speaker 23 (01:55:19):
Hey, to be tired, tell.

Speaker 9 (01:55:47):
Me a little man, man, man, I gotta go well, man,
do to be tired.

Speaker 13 (01:55:56):
I don't want to man, gonna take the man.

Speaker 9 (01:55:59):
I gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
To be Lastings Good down to Pizza

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