Full Show Podcast: 21 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, are you great New Zealanders? And welcome to the
Mattin Tyler Zibby Afternoons podcast for Thursday, the twenty first
of November. Make sure you subscribe and follow and do
all those kind of things if you enjoy it. Two
hours of intense should we Arm the Cops chat? And look,
we heard a lot of stories from a lot of

(00:36):
different people, from a lot of different perspectives, from cops
to a very interesting guy who had had guns and rifles,
pistols and rifles and batons waved at him on his
backyard pistol enthusiasts. Yeah, few of those, Yeah no, But
I'm talking about that guy that he was drunk and

(00:56):
he confronted the cops.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, good time.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
That was a good chat. It was, and he regrets that,
as you can imagine. So, yeah, fantastic chat. And then
we go deep into cruise ship because there's a cruise
company it's offering Americans a four year escape from President
Donald Trump. They're going to be on a cruise ship
for four years complaining about delection results. Are cruise ships fine?
And I've had bad times on them. I tell a
shocking story about some of my behavior on cruise ships,

(01:23):
and we hear from a lot of people that freaking
love them.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, several stories about shocking behavior on cruise ships.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And we hear from Stefahn, who, let's be honest, he
sounded like a bit of a pest on a cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
YEP, great show today, having my day to.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:47):
News Talks edby Welcome into Thursday. I hope you're doing
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
And look we've just got to We've got to just
say News Talks c B done very well in the
radio survey again number one station in the country, so
thank you so much to all your listeners. And man
Tyler Show also doing very well also, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, we don't take it for granted. So yeah, times where.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I'm not doing so well as I just ordered two coffees,
one for you and one for me, Tayler down at
the cafe across the road. Scratch and and I just
I ordered them, and then I had sort of thought
about something else, and then I grabbed two and left
and walked out across the road. And I'd stolen someone's coffee.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh you didn't after you.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I'd stolen I'd stolen two innocent people's coffees. So
that might not be your order there?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
What is it some sort of Makachino number. I told you,
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm not at the moment they collared me and brought
me back and gave me my coffee. So you can
never go back there. No, No, that's it for you.
I don't know what I was thinking. Coffees can't be
made that quickly. You know, sometimes you zone out and
you do something ridiculous. The coffee can't be made in
fifteen seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, now you're going to have your picture up there
at the cafe. Coffee still a mat my.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Head, My head was the clouds around the excellent three
hours of radio. We've got plans.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, well, thank you for the coffee, mate, make I
appreciate it. Right on to the show today to three o'clock.
This will be interesting. All is not well in Walkworth
and it's related to the local primary school. So there's
a petition. Sounds serious, It is serious. There's a petition
signed by thirty nine neighbors and i'll read out part
of this petition cover letter. So these neighbors of the
Walkworth Primary School are requesting that the school replaced the

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current loud bursts of music played through loud speakers to
mark the beginning and the end of school time periods
with a simple bowel system. So here are there demands
the primary school. Number one, a simple ring of a
bell to replace the music, doesn't actually say what music
has been played. Number two a reduction in the time
the bell takes to ring to less than five seconds,

(03:51):
so it's that ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
ding ding. That's still quite a long time. And the
removal of the speaker tower. Didn't know they to speaker
tower at the junior school to replaced by distributed bowls
around the campus to ensure that only those in the
school grounds can hear the bell.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't like this at all. I need more information.
Are they playing the song all the way to get
to class and what music are they playing? But I
mean you're at a hiding to nothing. If you want
a school to be quiet. I mean, schools are going
to be loud, and if you live near a school,
they are going to be loud.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, and it's not going to be easy listening to
music for the kids is It's going to be something
with a bit of grunt to it to say school's on.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, my school decided when I was growing up, My
high school decided that bells were too stressful for kids,
so they got rid of the bells. So what did
you have nothing? You just had to get to class
on time. But they just up to the punishment for
being late, so you had no leeway about being late
at all. And actually, I'm not sure if some people
said I remember people complaining and saying, oh, this is
just you know, PC gone mad kids being stressed out

(04:53):
by bells. But I think actually the schools rationale was you're,
you know, trying to make young adults that can manage
their time, so we don't need a bell. You just
need to make it to class.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's outrageous in an era where how many kids would
have been wearing watches, nobody had some art phones. How
the heck you mean to know the time as a
five year old child?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Mate, everyone had watches. Back then, everyone had to watch.
Everyone had a cassio tone you know, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Good the calculator on it. Yeah, everyone had a.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Calculator watch or a boxing calculator watch.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Right, that's after three o'clock. After two o'clock, we're going
to be talking about cruise ships. This is on the
back of a cruise line that is offering four year
trips for Americans wishing to skip Trump's second term.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, so that's four years on a cruise ship. There's
another package where you do two years to the midterm elections.
I'm hoping these people are hoping the Democrats do better.
Four years on a cruise ship sounds like a horror show.
For me, that sounds like an absolute night where I've
spent two weeks on a cruise ship and three weeks
on a cruise ship at different times, and I wanted
to get off. I can't. I can't imagine choosing to

(05:57):
live on a cruise ship for four years.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
They hang on a minute, so all you can drink
and all you can eat shrine in. Then you've got
a pull that you've got easy access to sparpol. Was
there a messuse on this crew that you did.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I'm sure there was. I didn't. I didn't visit them,
but I'm sure there was. There was a casino as well.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, what was the cabin like?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
The cabin was good. Actually, yeah, the kevin was good.
But you're just trapped and it's like being trapped in
your hotel for forever.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I may think it depends where the cruise ships going.
This might be Mediterranean cruises. I'm not sure where they are.
You know, it could be Caribbean cruises, but a cruisers
in the Pacific. You spent a lot of time out
at sea. We've just got three sixty water degrees views
and so there's nothing to do. Yeah, there's going to
be after talk, but there only the prices start at
forty thousand per year, so that is too cheap to

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be spending that much time in a cruise ship. That
would be that sounds like.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
It would be our body rooms. Aren't they bunk rooms?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean that's less than rent.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's the chat after two o'clock though, looking
forward to your experiences on cruise ships. But right now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
New Police Commissioner Richard Chambers told this to hither Duples
see Allen on Zibe Drive yesterday.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
I tell you what I thought was interesting today was
it sounds like you are not not keen on it,
but open to arming the front line if needed.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (07:12):
I think we need to keep an open mind heavy
and the last year I've worked with plas jurisdictions around
the world, and I would like to think that usualand
never gets into a place where that does occur. You know,
I don't see a place for it in our country, however,
need to be I need to be open to the
fact that policing is complex, it's volatile, and I need

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to listen to my staff in terms of what do
they feel they need to keep themselves safe. And also,
you know, just as that volatility continues to develop and
tension around the board that the reality is, you know,
I've got to keep an open minded to what do
my staff need, what sort of support do they need?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Don't you think we are going to, though, Richard, Because
it's a completely different place to when you started back
in the cops in nineteen ninety six, and when we've
got some pretty heavy gangs who love the guns arriving
here from Australia.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yes, absolutely, the stuff I've been exposed to in the
last twelve months just demonstrates the links that organized criminals
will go to protect business models. I need to protect
my staff and I will take into account whatever things
I need to do to ensure that, but also address
the crime that we're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So do you go how do you feel about police
having gone side arms along with their tases, sprays and batons.
You know, I used to be very much against this,
but you know, as the world changes and the amount
of gun crime increases in New Zealand, and I'd probably
feel very different if I had a member of my
family and the police force, or if I was in

(08:39):
the police for police force myself. So I'd love to
hear from cops on this and people that have police
in their families. But yeah, if the other sides are armed,
it's pretty harsh to ask the police to not be.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Absolutely the Police Association, they have long advocated for routine
arming of officers. The vice president, Steve Watt, says an
earlier survey this year showed sixty eight percent of staff
supported the move. I quote, that's all We're aiming for
us to have that conversation, a visage. It will start
with pistols on the hip, and like you, Matt, I

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was always a bit uncomfortable about the idea because we're
you know, we're proud of the fact that we live
in a country that hopefully we don't have to have
our police routinely armed. But things have changed dramatically. We
mentioned the stats of gun crime that have gone up
forty one percent in the past six years. Times are changing.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah. Yeah, I was telling you before, Tyler. I rode
along in a car when I was forming a documentary
in the States and with armed police pulling people over.
And I'll tell you what, that really gives you perspective
of how terrifying it is to be a police officer
going up to a car with a person inside it
could be armed.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, so what happened in that instance They did a
routine traffic stop, then then got out.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I've had a whole day on it. It was we
pulled over a lot of people, so so you know,
it was it was just whoever they were having to
deal with at the time. So, yeah, the police officer
would get out. I'd be sitting in the car, going,
this is quite scary. And then then they'd walk up
to the car put their hand on the back of
the car and move around. That was something about leaving
your fingerprints on there so they could work things out later.

(10:16):
But each time you're thinking, as a police officer, look
I could some of the person in this car could
be armed. And look, it's not at that situation in
New Zealand yet in terms of the amount of people
that are armed. And it may never get there, but
you've you've got to imagine that that is on police
officers minds.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to
hear from you on this if you're a police officer
or a former police officer, or you've got a family
member in the police forced love to hear from you.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is
a quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
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Speaker 3 (10:57):
News Talks there B. It's eighteen pasted one and we're
talking about the routine arming of police officers.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
New Police Commissioner Richard Chambers told Heather Duplicy Allen that
he's open to the discussion of routinely arming our police officers.
But what do you think, Pete.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
Yeah, I agree one hundred percent that you know they
should be armed and of a firearm because I've got
to think think about all most other country besides the UK.
I think maybe Ireland, but the rest of the world,
they've all got fire side arms on them. And you'll
respect the police, you know, like an Australian back around
the Australian police and all the US police. I've been

(11:35):
both of those countries and you just respect them. I
got a niece and the police force, and I want
her to go out to do I also want her
to come home as well.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah. I was involved in an incident in Los Angeles
and Santamnic Santa Monica here when I was shooting a
TV show over there and I was arguing with the
police officer about an issue and then he put his
hand on his on his and I stopped arguing immediately,
I beat you dead. Yeah, but you've got him met that.
This is what Steve Watt said, Police Association Vice President.

(12:07):
He said he thinks that New Zealanders are very proud
that we are that our police don't have to be
armed and that we would like to think that we
didn't get to a place where general arming was a
thing there. I mean, we definitely wish that we lived
in a place where police didn't have to be armed Pete.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
Yeah, no, I think it's got a rougher out there,
as we know, there's been more shootings now since they've
all of those regulations and with the firearms and that
there other was so that hasn't work. So I think
they if mine goes out there to go to her
to her duty for the for her ship, I always
think she's four if i'd if I'm not a policeman

(12:49):
who wanted for their safety as well. So it's like
you're like at your workplace, you've got it just be
a help and safety. In Paris, that is their help
and safety tool.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah. So now on each police officer they have the
weapon in the car, but on each officer currently they
have pepper spray, they have a taser and a baton.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
So this is just that this will be another thing
in the arsenal on as a side arm.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
As much as I think I can see the side
of it, it does actually terrify me a little bit
more that we become a country where that is needed.
I mean, ideally we do what it takes to not
be a country where that is needed.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, and there's ficials in this absolutely, that's why it
hasn't happened yet. But I think of the mental health
call outs, and I know that the police officers are
doing less of that, and that we're trying to change
the resources diverted to those incidents. But when you have
police officers who are armed turning up to those sort
of events, that can escalate a situation in the wrong direction.
So you know that has to be taken into consideration.

(13:49):
The training of all our police to be able to
de escalate the appropriate use of firearms, that all needs
to be taken into consideration.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
On police training needs to be huge focuses on anything
like that, and any any resources we can spend on
police training that we that we can absolutely should, whether
they've got guns or not.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number
to call. Our new police Commissioner, Richard Chambers is open
to the idea of routinely arming our police officers. Is
now the time love to hear from you. A ninety
two nine TiO was the text number. It is twenty
two past one.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
All the big.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
Names so on the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 10 (14:30):
Jamie Oliver as Beck with us the Naked Shift. What
was your expectation do you remember in nineteen ninety I mean,
what did you want?

Speaker 7 (14:37):
Nothing?

Speaker 11 (14:37):
I was so grateful to be young in London when
the Naked Chief happened. It was never planned. I was
never even supposed to be there that day. I was
in the background of a documentary and I wasn't even
on the road to that day. Someone called in sick.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
I got lucky.

Speaker 11 (14:49):
I was very confident in cooking. I've been cooking since
an early age. I knew nothing about production or TV,
but I was very very clear that if I was
going to do it, I wanted to do it on
my terms. And I don't know, somehow it tuned into
a little moment, a little flavor, and it went massive
around the world.

Speaker 10 (15:03):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News to ZB.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's twenty four past one.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
As a text that excited my interest. Hey there, guys,
if you want to start off sound incredible when talking police,
it's New Zealand police. It's not the police force. That
word was eliminated from the name with the passing of
the Policing Act back in nineteen fifty eight. Yeah. I
don't really care about sound incredible. I just want to
have a discussion. I'm not out there trying to sound credible.

(15:30):
We just want to have a discussion about it. And
I think everyone knew what we were talking about when
we described it as the police force. It's like in
that movie Hot Fuzz when they said that they dropped
the force from the police because it sounded too aggressive.
I'm absolutely positive there's no one out there that didn't
know what we were talking about. We described it as
the New Zealand Police Force.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Three words, get a grap Shane, how are you?

Speaker 8 (15:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, good? Now you're an ex prison officer. What's you're
feeling about in the police.

Speaker 12 (16:01):
Don't.

Speaker 13 (16:01):
I have no problem with the police being armed, as
long as it's some more mature officers.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Okay, So how long do you think you'd need you
should be in the force before you get armed.

Speaker 13 (16:15):
Probably one or two years. Because the young, the young guys,
we found that even in corrections, young guys when they
come in they have a totally different mindset what is that?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
What is that mindset? Shane?

Speaker 13 (16:29):
They're more likely to rack up a situation than talk
it down, right.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, well, I mean that's that's true. That's true if
all of us when we're young, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (16:40):
Yeah, therein laiesa problem something that can be talked down.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (16:46):
Because someone is either in a uniform or has a firearm,
it sort of gives them a bit more of a power.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, you know what you're talking about de escalating, Shane.
And as a prison officer, I imagine that's something you have
to train and is that something that you do regularly
to make sure that you're still on top of your
game in terms of de escalating.

Speaker 13 (17:11):
Yeah, you get taught de escalation. But a lot of
the best prison officers were the old ones. Yeah, us
old guys I retired out now, but us older guys,
we could talk down situations something that was really aggressive,
down to a sort of a handshaken stop right. The

(17:32):
young ones, though, they want the action. Yeah, that's what
we were finding is the young ones were coming and
they would want the action, so they didn't mind to
keep raking it up.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Now, saying to someone that would like to be the
type of person that can de escalate a situation. Are
there any key pointers you can give to people in
general how to de escalate a potentially violent situation.

Speaker 13 (17:57):
Yep, Being able to listen instead of walking over the
instead of talking over the person, you sort of go yep, yep, yep,
so that they can at least lease feel of being
listened to, and then you can start directing. But you know,
if you if you get offended by the first things

(18:19):
that they start saying and you start racking it up,
it's very hard to bring it back down.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
And were you and did you? Were you capable sorry
to talk over you just when you were talking about people,
not talking over people? But did you did you?

Speaker 14 (18:32):
Were you?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Did you become good at understanding when there was a
situation that you could calm things down in a situation
where it was already too far to go.

Speaker 13 (18:40):
Yep, you automatically knew. And it's just the way way
you speak. I've had I've had interrections with young officers,
police officers who have sort of talked down to me
and I and I basically gone, wait a minute, we
are your allies. Don't talk to us as if we're criminals,

(19:05):
that that there is is a problem. You can get
a whole group of new officers who will start treating
even the visitors that used to come in just because
their partner was a criminal. They would sort of talk
down to their visitors as well, and I would be
telling them, you don't do that.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
And so you think this ability to deal with people
comes with age or training or time on the job.

Speaker 13 (19:37):
It comes with age training people skills, and you know
that people skills. When you're mature, you've actually gone through stuff,
You've seen stuff, and you know, well, actually we can
stop this here by using this rather than going oh

(20:02):
come on mate, yet keep going, keep going, you know,
can hear it in their voice?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your insights, Sir Shane.
That's we really appreciate those. E one hundred and eighteen eighty.
Do you think the police should be armed? We've got
to call a coming up who had a cop brand
at the house, brandishing a glock.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Looking forth looking forward to that story, hop ass.

Speaker 15 (20:23):
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it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

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One of the ten young people who joined the Parmeerston
North boot camp pilot has allegedly reoffended one month after
being let out. The children's minister says it's sad but
naive to think no one would reoffend. The grandmother of
a man killed by police say the lack of prosecution
appears to set different laws for police than the public.

(20:53):
The IPCA says the risk to others from the shop
that killed Chaos Price as he tried to hijack a
car was excessive, but isn't recommending criminal charges. The PSA
is backing a letter from economists telling the government it
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are asking for any sightings of an overdue hiker tramping

(21:14):
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(21:36):
to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Thank you Raylean. It is twenty seven to two.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Our new police Commissioner Richard Chambers has said he has
open discussion of routeling arming cops. So eight hundred eighty
ten eighty what do you think about that? Got a
couple of texts through on nineteen ninet two international experiences
that approximately ten percent of police shot have been shot
with their own gun after it being taken off them.
Thanks to that, Peter and another text here, we'd need

(22:02):
significantly more weapons training. It's a breminem currently that's one
hundred percent. If we did go to routinely arming cops,
I would like them to spend a whole lot of
money on training.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, that's a big argument in the States at the moment.
I've heard former tactical strategists talk about that the amount
of time they have to train with weapons is tiny
than need far more, and we'd have to do the same.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, no, sorry, no, welcome to show you had to
copy at your house with a glock.

Speaker 17 (22:32):
Yeah, well, I'll go back fifty years. I think you're
getting misconstrued. Fifty years ago, my friend was Scindia sergeant,
a detective. He carried thirty eight all the time, and
so all the other detectives. Now today, every COLMN car

(22:59):
which we call a comn car is one that's on
the beat. Basically, if it gets called out to someone's place,
they are armed. Not everyone has armed, not the ones
that wander around perhaps just calling on someone for some

(23:20):
other reason. So I think you have to realize that
ninety ninety percent of cars at night are armed.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, So as we're saying for our officers that currently
have access to firearms that were kept locked in patrol cars,
that some of them.

Speaker 17 (23:39):
The others are wearing them only are Now I had
a war in discretion not long ago. I tailgated someone
down Marson's Road. Now he must have got my regio number.
The cops have got so much to do that they
obviously went and found out who it was, where they lived.

(24:04):
And I had a lovely lady come to see me,
and she had this is about a half hours start
at night, and she had a block on her help. Yes, Now,
as she said, all cars at night have arms on them,
it's only the ones that are, you know, doing liscellaneous

(24:31):
jobs that had them locked up in their boat.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
And so did this did this officer pull the clock
on you?

Speaker 17 (24:42):
Of course not.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well, that's a good thing to hope. It's a good thing.
Just your point now, I hear what you're saying, and
you're in You're right. But what we're talking about here
is having all police officers with a firearm on their hip.
That would be the starting point, according to the Police Association.
And you can understand that would mean, you know, in
situations that are dynamic and fast moving and unpredictable, it
is very difficult for a police officer to run back

(25:06):
to the car, open up the barnet, open up the
even get that fire run sometimes. So that is why
the survey of police officers showed sixty eight percent support
for that.

Speaker 17 (25:15):
Yeah, they've all certain amount. I've always carried guns. You'll
see it in Auckland time outter time they go to
a job and they'll all have blocks from their hips.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh hey, thank you so much for your call. Noel
coming up in a bit. We'll talk to Neville. He
has a son and the police force, so they'll be
really interesting to hear their perspective on arming police. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
It is twenty three to two.

Speaker 9 (25:42):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty
four you talk sai'd be.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
So we're talking about arming cops after new police Commissioner
Richard Chambers. Chambers said that he was open to discussion
just to clarify a few things after the last collar.
We're talking about pistols on hips. Officers currently have access
to firearms that are kept locked and patrol.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Cars yepbsolutely takes tier get a lad's career cop here.
When I first joined, the bad guys had sawn off
shotguns and cut down twenty twos. These days, the bad
guys are armed with military style semi automatic rifles and
proper pistols and are more than willing to use those
against the police to evade arrest. It is so much
more dangerous policing that it used to be. Firearms can
be smuggled in just like meth and cocaineas I would

(26:29):
feel better if my team were armed with weapons all
the time now and welcome the idea of body cam,
says it would reveal just how feral and dangerous some
people are that the general public do not encounter in
their day to day life, but cops do on a
daily basis.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Neville However, though, has a son who is a police officer,
and you say no to arming cops, I.

Speaker 18 (26:51):
Wouldn't say an equivocally no, and ultimate decision rests was
ni ideal these a fifty year old Now, I'm no
hurry to see it because in what one of your
corps mentioned earlier, the police and so will the enemy,
and they've always got access. I know in Nigel's case,

(27:17):
they go out to a place in the Hawk's bay,
they view, they call us and do their arms training,
and there is adequate training. I haven't really spoken to
Nigel about it. When a guy gets to that age,
I let the lad be of make his own decisions.

Speaker 13 (27:38):
Is it?

Speaker 18 (27:38):
From a father's point of view? With Nigel ten years
to go in the force, I don't really want to
see him finish up on the street. Has gun for
he when we meet. All that training when we were
at high school, how to how to use arms and
get ready for the next war. I think from my perspective,

(28:04):
is seeing the results of that sort of a But
at the end of the day, my particular son is fifty.
I think he can make his own decisions.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yes, So Neville, just to cut in there, So you
say that police arming will make criminals arm up more.
But look, I could be wrong there, and I'd love
someone to tell me why on one hundred and eight
ten eighty, but I would imagine that criminals are arming
up against other criminals or for criminal activity, because it

(28:43):
would seem absolutely insane to me to arm up against
the police because you are never going to win that battle,
because you might win one battle, but there'll be waves
and waves of police that come after it. So the
problem is, I say it as criminals are arming up
for whatever they're up to, and the byproduct of that
is when they do run into police, they pull the

(29:03):
arm the guns on the police.

Speaker 18 (29:06):
Yeah, I will concede that New Zealand as opposed to
the New Zealand I grew up, and it was a
totally different country. I remember my father coming home from
World War Two. But New Zealanders generally have got no
respect for.

Speaker 14 (29:26):
Law and order.

Speaker 18 (29:28):
And I'm seeking more of the younger ones that really
do get carried away. We all did when were young, didmens,
but not that, not to that stage. I'm truly speaking
as a dad he got ten years ago. I wanted
to live to see them.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I understand that and Nevill thank you so much
for your call.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, thank you Neville. James. You thoroughly support the new commissioner.
Hello Toda, James, you're on. You support what Richard Chambers
is saying. He's open to the idea of army. Believe.

Speaker 19 (30:04):
I saw him on TV this morning and he's so
much more like then the other police commissioner. He's older
and he just seems to me to be to be
onto it. I had an altercation with five armed defenders.
I was drunk and it was my fault. I got

(30:25):
told to go inside and I disobeyed them and got
it rested and ended up in court and Palmers to North.
They conducted themselves absolutely fantastic. They were armed, fully to
the teeth, tasers, rifles, pistols, everything. They were gaining a

(30:48):
gang house which was down the road from me, and
I fully deserved what they threw at me. I obeyed
them and I put myself in a position where I
could have got shot, but they didn't. They realized I
was drunk, and they behaved themselves absolutely brilliantly.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
How long goo is that, James?

Speaker 19 (31:09):
I'm walked for them being armed?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
How long ago was that? James? Two years two years ago,
and so what were you actually what were you doing
that attracted their attention?

Speaker 19 (31:21):
I went, I heard screaming from my back door. I
went out to my back lawn and there was a
police dog handler with a dog going around. They were
searching for someone, and I said, listen, can I be
of any assistance? And they said go back inside. So
I walked out and turned the outside light on, and

(31:44):
they said go back inside, and I went, yeah, I'm going,
I'm going, you know.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
And I was drunk.

Speaker 19 (31:51):
So I went inside and then there was a guy
guarding someone in the cul de sack out my front door.
So I started giving him ship and I don't know
why I did that, and he kicked me in the back,
knocked me to the floor, and I had the corner
of my eye I saw the barrel of his rifle.
He said, go inside. I've told you once, and I

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cracked myself and I am in inside.

Speaker 14 (32:16):
And then after that I.

Speaker 19 (32:18):
Had a few more lines who heard this lady screaming,
went back outside, up down, up up the alleyway and
there were four armed defenders in there, and I got arrested.
And I'm to this day, I feel so stupid. That
I tried to take on four or five armed police officers.

(32:40):
You don't do it. When they tell you to do something,
you do it.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, James, good on you for having this self reflection
to I guess publicly flagulate yourself for your behavior around that.
That's refishing to hear.

Speaker 19 (32:55):
I fully believe that this new guy is the one
for the job, and I fully believe that the police
officers should be armed at all times.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
YEA, thank you, I really do great story, Thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, I think that is that is a good rule
of thumb. If you have multiple police officers pointing weapons
at you, do what they say.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Doesn't matter how many ridgs you've had. Just do what
they say. You might be feeling about.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Whoo yep, yep, go back inside and have some more reds,
but don't come back outside again unless they ask you to.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yep, exactly right. Coming up, we've got a great text
here from a serving police officer, very interesting, and we'll
read that out to you. It is twelve minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams staking your calls on eight hundred
mad ETHN Tyler Adams Afternoons News talk Z.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
EDB News talks ZEDB and I mentioned a text before
from a serving police officer. It says, get a guys,
I'm currently in the force. I'm all for general arming
of frontline police. There are more firearms around these days,
and criminals are hands and they aren't restricted by the
same rules we are. Yes, we have them in the car,
but I'd rather have it and not need it than
need it and not have it. It's too late if

(34:05):
a firearm gets pulled on me and mine are and
the gun safe in the car, at least give me
a fighting chance. And all for the people listening to
this and saying, don't arm the police, but I'm the
one walking towards potential danger, not you. And the argument
of arm the police and the criminals will get armed, well,
the reality of that is that they're already armed.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I mean that's the thing for me. I drive from
my house down to work, and I sit in front
of a microphone and talk, and I take a few
There's a few few spicy text professional shots while the
text message yeah, but that's about all I face. So
I mean, as I say before, when I rode along
in that in that police car for a night in Colorado,

(34:47):
and boy boy, the fair even just being in the
car when these cops were getting out and they were armed,
and they were getting out and dealing with it, dealing
with cars and people that could be armed. I mean,
it's a totally different situation, isn't it. And did you
say before that sixty seven percent of police believe that
they should be armed.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
And the latest survey from the Police Association, so that's
a big number.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I mean, it's a lot to ask people to go
out and face knowing that more and more people have
guns and that you just have to walk up with
your pepper spray and your taser. Yeah, unless you then
assess on the second to run back to your car
and get the get the firearm that's locked in the
patrol car.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean that's for me, that seems like a lot,
a lot to ask cops to do.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, I agree, George, What do you think I mean
the cops would do?

Speaker 20 (35:36):
Good afternoon fellows. Yeah, it's a really interesting one, isn't it.
I mean, yeah, that instead of telling that sixty seven
percent of police officers would want to be I'd be
really key to hear similar steps on the general public.
Would you be more or less likely to join the
force if you if you are armed, because I think,
you know, we have a really big recruitment issue with

(35:58):
the police force at the moment, and recruiting quality young
clops who see that as a viable career and in
deep spouses who are comfortable with their other halves beeener police.
You know, I think the thing that draws me beat
sometimes there's a few early twenties and do you have
to draw a firearm in and indeed shoot it? You know,

(36:19):
those memories do stay with you for a lifetime and
you've got to really trick carefully around that situation. There's
no doubt police being more cred a bit more animosity,
and in amongst those those gangs and areas where they
where firearms are used. I think we've just got to
really think about what's going to impact on recruitment here

(36:40):
because we want more more quality people seeing it as
a viable career option to.

Speaker 21 (36:45):
Become a cop.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So do you think that more people would be willing
to join the join the police f they knew that
they were going to be have sight arms?

Speaker 20 (36:58):
Yeah, I think we really should be guided by that
statistic particulates in the policeman think they should be.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, but what's your ga So you're your gut feeling
is that they would that people are not joining the
police because of this, because they're facing armed people where
they're not armed.

Speaker 20 (37:18):
Yeah, and I think I think, you know, it's one
thing one person wanting to be a policeman, but it's
another thing the family members jointed the force. It's a
bit like letting your child play rugby or you know
that grown perception these days that mothers won't like their
son's plan. I think everything about their wives and partner's appearance,
and because they have a big impact sometimes where they
say like I'm not comfortable you're joining the police force

(37:40):
without danger citus at the moment, and that can they
can you know, that can really impact on that person's
decision as to whether they whether they join or not.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, it would be interesting for me if if my
son put up his hand and said he wanted to
be a police officer, what I'd think about it? It
would be forefront in my mind his safety and but
I can't Yeah, in my head now i'm thinking about it.
I'm not sure if I'd prefer he was armed or not.
Probably by probably would prefer he was armed. But the

(38:09):
whole thing, the whole part, all of it terrifies me
when I think about my own child.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah yeah, part of me.

Speaker 20 (38:15):
You go, George, I'm just going to say, I think
that's you know, it's a bit of a fair trend
at the moment that being a policeman it is now
seen as such a dangerous job, and it's preventing a
lot of people wanting to join it. You know, I'm
sort of thinking ten or twenty years ago. But you know,
people would be really proud to be a policeman serving
their country, and communities are really proud of the police force,

(38:38):
and they carry a lot of authiety. It's sadly getting
into the realm of senus as too dangerous sto would
want to be a policeman, and we don't want that
in our country or any country of these.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
George, thank you very much, And just picking up on
one of George's points about where the New Zealanders as
a whole would be in favor of arming the police.
To me, when I look at that survey that sixty
eight percent of serving officers want to be armed, that's
all that really matters to me. They are the ones
on the streets facing these situations. I can't even image
that is all I need to see for me to say, yes,

(39:11):
you know, whatever those police officers think they need, we
should be giving them that.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
But I think George was saying a slightly more complicated
thing than that. He was looking for a survey of
people whether they'd consider their family members or themselves joining
the police more if they were armed or less. So
he was talking it from a recruitment situation. So I mean,
do we have the stats on how many what percentage

(39:38):
of people in New Zealand We should look into that,
you know, if the wider public want them to be armed.
But it's a really interesting idea whether we've got a
recruitment and we want to get the best possible people
in the force, and whether arming them or not as
influencing people choosing that career path or not.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, good discussion and there'll be plenty more of this
as the time of the new commissioner carries on. I
think he's in there for four years. But thank you
very much, New Sport and whether on its way you're
listening to Matt and Tilert, very very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
I mean, talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons new for twenty
twenty four News Talk.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
ZIB Good afternoon. I hope you're doing Wales six past two.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah. Having an interesting discussion this afternoon. The new police
commissioner says he's open to discussing the routine arming of
police officers. Police Association Vice president Steve Watt has said
that the union has long been advocating for routine arming
of officers, with an earlier study finding sixty eight percent
of staff supported the move and as he says, that's

(40:50):
all we're aiming for is the discussion, and he envisions
that it would start with pistols on the hips. So
how do you feel about that? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Text herekday, guys, I was going to be a cop,
about to go to police college in twenty twenty, and
then Constable Matthew Hunt was killed. Arming the police may
bring the idea back around for me. That's from Paul.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
And here's another text Onwine two Matton Tyler. I wouldn't
join the police as I wouldn't feel safe. However, I
also feel that if someone were to pull a gun
on me and I'm armed, it comes becomes who shoots first,
whereas if I'm not armed, the guy with the gun
has no reason to pull the trigger so long as
I don't antagonize them. That's from Gavin, I mean, that's yeah.

(41:33):
I mean, that's an interesting position to be and I
can't really imagine it. But someone's got a gun on
you and you're trying to deescalate the situation.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Suppose I don't know until you're in that situation.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
Eh.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, Well, I mean, whatever happens arming cops or not,
I think as much as we can invest into training
our police, the better.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, Steve, what's your take on arming the police?

Speaker 22 (42:00):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, a couple of points. Really lived
in Australia for many years, never had any issue with
the police carrying guns. Let's face it, you're not doing
anything wrong. You're not going to get shot or hopefully not.
But the main thing about that I wanted to comment
on when you said sixty seven or sixty eight percent

(42:21):
of police in England, four percent of the police are
armed sounds you know that means ninety six percent aren't.
And the recent podcasts on triggeronometry with Constantine Chris and
he was talking to a police officer. He was talking
to a police officer, and the officer was saying that

(42:43):
people are handing in there. They've got some sort of
blue ticket or something that means that they can carry weapons.
They're handing them in because they don't want to carry weapons.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I wonder, I want, I wonder what that situation though, Steve,
as if you're one of the four percent, then you're
going to be the people that are sent into the
situations that are most likely it's.

Speaker 22 (43:04):
The higher risk jobs. Yes, yeah, but the only other
thing that the comment that I would make is that,
and I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of
a criminal. If I'm going to do a criminal act
and I know the police are armed, I'd probably call

(43:25):
up you.

Speaker 14 (43:25):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 22 (43:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a criminal, so I
can't make comment on that, but that I don't know.
So I'm either easy either way. I'm just I've lived
in a situation with it and it's never been a
worry to me. But I'm wondering if while I was
in Australia decided to be a criminal, whether I would
have gone out and got myself a firearm to I

(43:48):
don't know, level up the playing field.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (43:51):
I'm just but that's really all I have to say.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Well, it's interesting that you mentioned the UK situation, and
I imagine, Steve, they have had the same discussions around
whether all police officers should be armed. And I'm just
looking at the polling. So in two thousand and four
they polled a bunch of people in the UK, just
regular people, so forty seven percent of people in two
thousand and four supported all police officers being armed. In
twenty seventeen drastically changed, seventy two percent of people surveyed

(44:17):
supported police officers being armed, So the public perception has
changed dramatically.

Speaker 22 (44:21):
I think the other thing that I'd just like to
stay before I go is that if they are going
to arm the police, and as I say, it doesn't
bother me either way, they should bring that in with
body can yes, because I think we're watching you see
those things that come up on your feed on Facebook
or whatever, that you've got people that are when they

(44:46):
look at the body, you know the guy didn't have
a gun, or he did have a gun, and so
on and so forth, And I think that that would
keep people more honest. And the other thing is, I
think the other reason police officers don't want the guns
in England is because they have some fairly stringent rules.

(45:08):
It's almost like you have to be shot at first
before you can shoot back, right, and things like that.
You know, if somebody's got a gun and you're pointing
your gun and they raise their gun and you shoot them,
you might be in trouble still, you know. So from
a police officer's point of view, you're you're you said
on a hiding to nothing, really, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well, Steve as interesting you we said before that you
think if you were a criminal and you knew that
the police were armed, that you would arm up? Do
you not think that? And look, I don't know the
answer to this, so I'm asking do you not think
that the criminals are armed up for their dealings and
criminal activities and arming up if they're in gangs against

(45:49):
there are other people, and then when the police come
in contact with them, then that's when the arms are
used against the police. Because it seems to me like
it would be you can never arm enough up enough
to beat the police because there'll be more. They'll always
be more police that will turn up.

Speaker 22 (46:04):
Yeah, but I mean, well, evidence proves that that the
the people that are in doing the farious activities are
often armed and significantly armed. I mean that guy that
raised an A of fifteen style rifle to the police
and the Plymouth recently. So yeah, yeah, you're right, I

(46:26):
mean so, and the whole scheme of things. I'd actually
say to the police officers, you want to carry a gun,
carry one. If you don't want to carry one, don't
carry one.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Well, well that's and that stat we were talking about before.
I think we might have got a little bit confused
there about it. The survey of sixty eight percent of
police staff supported the move of going to guns. But yeah,
I mean that's yeah, that's an interesting thing. So if
s arms were available to the police, would everyone have
to take them? I'd love to hear from a police

(46:57):
officer or on that point one hundred and eighty ten
eighty Do you get to choose what you're cut it
up with? Do you choose wither you take a taser
and a pepper spray in a baton?

Speaker 7 (47:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I was doing to a policeman, a retired policeman. He
was furious when they got rid of the you know,
the top hats. They called them nipple hats because he
said that was very handy in a fight because you
put your hand inside the nipple hat and hold it,
and it was it was it was a great weapon
in a fight back in the day.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Bring back the nipple hats. Hey, We've had quite a
few texts. I think it was George a bit earlier
who mentioned the problem with recruitment in New Zealand. And
it is an interesting one, isn't it. There is a
massive issue at the moment around getting more police officers
to go to police college, and a lot of that
is centered around pay. But a lot of the texts

(47:48):
coming through this one here. Unless our judiciary back our police,
then arming the police could actually be worse for them.
We need to back people who want to become police
officers to have the tools they need to go out
into the world and the crimes that they're dealing with. Now,
that is why we're having problems and recruitment now.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I mean, I mean you can't back them one
hundred percent all the way because obviously even in whatever
organization you are, and there are going to be people
that do the wrong thing, so you could never have
a situation we say, no matter whatever happens, we backed
the police, but I guess you could good move it
more their way. But that's why as that police officer

(48:31):
that contacted us before said he wanted bodycam on every
police officer so people could see what people what they're facing.
And when you do see that body cam footage, which
seems to absolutely pollute my social media feeds, they have
the algorithm has spotted me as a person that's whatever
age or sex or whatever it is, that wants to

(48:51):
see a lot of that footage, even though I feel
like I don't want to. It seems just to watch it,
but then you see how absolutely fair all a lot
of people are that come at cops, and it is
pretty pretty terrifying.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah. I might have this wrong, but I thought in
New Zealand, if you are armed with a taser, as
soon as you use a taser, it's got a camera
within that taser that starts recording and that's to protect
the police officer and to be maybe used as evidence
down the track. But if anybody knows love to hear
from you.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah that that'd be interesting. But you know, by the
time the tases out. A lot of what has happened
has already come to pass good point now, So the
more footage you can have around a situation as the better.
I don't agree with it. When it comes to sport,
I want to get rid of the drs, I want
to get rid of the banker. But when it comes
to police activity, I one hundred percent want every part
of it to be filmed for everyone's safety.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love
to hear from you about the arming of polices at time.
But also if you thought about becoming a police officer
and you haven't love to hear from you as well.
Was it just an issue about pay or is it
the issue of how dangerous it is the police officers
in New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Right now, there's a text on what I said before
on nineteen nine two. The police are full of crooks.
We cannot arm them, says this texter.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Right, Okay, it's bold statements. It is sixteen past two, home.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Of Afternoon Talk and Heaton Taylor Adams Afternoons call. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
It's nineteen past two. We're talking about is a time
to arm our police officers.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
And before Tyler, you were talking about whether tasers have
cameras on them. With the New Zealand police have tasers
on cameras on their tasers. The Sextro ninety two nine
two says the original tasers had cameras, the latest ones
do not.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Interesting that they rode back on that. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean you made that fair point. If it is
used in evidence and it only starts recording when the
taser is fired, you've lost a lot of the prelude
into what actually happened you on.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
All of it filmed, going right back to the very
start of the altercation or the incident.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, some great techs coming through on nine two nine
two this one yet, Ay, guys, Going back to the
point made about recruitment, I'd wager it is similar to
our military. No one joins the Air Force because we
don't have any jets. People join in Air Force to
fly fighter planes which we don't have, so no one
signs up. Police would be the same. They don't have
the equiped they need.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Well, as someone that's just recently been checking out the
new hercules that we've got here, I would join the
Air Force if I could to fly that thing or
even one of the kings that we flew down to
Orhaky you're on.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
You were so happy in that cockpit.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And tell you what, the Air Force has got some
very cool choppers. So the Air Force, we may not
have jets, but we've got some pretty cool kit.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Still good times in the area.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yes, so, And we were talking about that stat before
that was sixty eight percent of the staff police staff
said they supported arming police routine, the arming officers. But
this is a really interesting point here, and this is
the classic thing on stats, isn't it. Of all the
police that were canvassed, how many of them were front
light and how many of them were office based. Good point,

(51:49):
because that's a very very different opinion, because if you're
sitting in office, your opinions on whether you should be
armed will be very different from someone that's actually out
there confronting criminals.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, absolutely, Dean, You're in favor, but you think there's
a few fish ooks.

Speaker 23 (52:06):
Yeah, I'm definitely in favor. I mean argument that you know,
the gangle call up is probably you know, long since
past us. They're already caulled up. And I know a
few of your callers of restrilption that you know there's
an escalation. I think the police are the ones that
have been left behind at that point and they need

(52:27):
to catch up. But the fishops are in the training
and the body cams, they really have to have those
for their own protection. And I think there's been a
bit of a culture where in the past they've and
like you said, they've already dropped the ones from the
the tasers, where they've seem to have been reluctant to

(52:47):
introduce cameras.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, why is that, Dan, I'm just trying to find
that out. Actually, why, Ah, Why why is there a
reluctance to have have body cams? Because we've had a
couple of texts from police officers that say that they
would they would want them. I'm not sure what the
reluctance would be, because it seems very good way to
work out exactly what has happened.

Speaker 23 (53:10):
Yeah, I mean that's probably more of a question for
the police union. Bayhill has never really been in favor
of them. I don't understand why not, because I think
if you're doing your job promptly, one you can only
learn from having that footage, and two it's for your
own protection in court.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I've just found some information on this DENE so police
will not consider whether to put body worn cameras on
frontline officers for at least another ten months. This was
in September, so next year they'll start to reconsider it.
But lawyers have raised concerns about the lack of footage
will make it harder to catch out any abuse and
control of the use of tasers or report last month
that found bias among police and researchers had raised significance

(53:54):
in concerns about the new tases, including the lack of cameras.
So the lawyers are all in favor in favor of
it that the police say the prohibitive cost is the
biggest barrier they can think of at the moment.

Speaker 23 (54:07):
Yeah, and that's probably the big bishop because you know,
you introduce frontline arming, you also have to ramp up
the training to a standard that is much higher than
what they're doing at the moment. Now, just give them
some context. I've been a firearm safety trainer for more
more than three decades. I've been a range officer. I've
seen police officers on the range and they are not safe,

(54:31):
and they have been banned from many ranges because of that,
and not just because of that, but because they have
their attitude for whatever reason when they're called out, it
has been pretty arrogant. But that's beside issue. The main
issue with the training is training, like firing under stress,
having to use your firearm under stress. It's a big

(54:53):
difference with standing on the range and shooting with holes
and paper targets.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So what sort of level of training would you want
police to have before they were armed and how regular
would the training have to be in terms of temperament
and accuracy.

Speaker 14 (55:08):
You should have to balance that with your budget. Can't you.

Speaker 23 (55:12):
What I want and what might be feasible with two
different things. I think that a police officer should qualify
every six months. I don't like to make sure that
they can shoot accurately and safely. The stress buy a thing.
That's something that you know. If you look at what
they do in the United States and other forces where
their routine they am, there's quite a huge variation between

(55:34):
department to department, and a lot of that is budget driven.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Again, this may sound like a stupid question, but what
is more important accuracy or temperament when it comes to
firearms training.

Speaker 14 (55:48):
They go hand in hand.

Speaker 23 (55:50):
If you cannot handle the stress, like you get that
huge adrenals drump and the hunting side of things, we
call it buckbeever. And I've seen guys get so adrenalized
that they've fired five shots an animal that should have
been an easy shot and messed with every single shot. Yeah,
you know, and you're like, dude, calm down, Yes, hey.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Thank you so much for you called Dean. That was very,
very interesting. We've got a lot of texts coming through
on nine two ninety two from police officers with some
insights into this body cam and other issues, so we'll
bring you those, but also eight hundred eighty ten eighty
your thoughts on arming police body cams and whether you
would feel happier if your family member or yourself would

(56:34):
feel happy about entering the police force if police were armed.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yep, get on the phones. It is twenty five past two.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
News Talks B. We're talking about the routine army of
police officers on the back of the new commissioner who's
been appointed. He is open to the idea. What do
you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, And there's the secondary issue of body cams on
police because a lot of officers are texting through and
saying that that they think that body cams should go
hand in hand with guns. But he's an officer here
on nine two nine and two from a police officer,
cameras are must, but the cost and the storage of
footage logistics are massive. And that's always the case with

(57:23):
the police, isn't it That they've got so much to do,
and they're so overworked, and they've got to make trade
offs all the time, and so you're looking at a
whole nother layer of infrastructure that you have to bring in,
and you don't also necessarily get the funding that you
need for a new thing that's lacked on top of you.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Yeah, well, if you just try and price out the
body cameras by itself, there's around ten thousand police officers
in New Zealand, I believe, So how much is a
body camera worth? Wouldn't be cheap times that by ten
thousands A lot of money, isn't it. Grant? Tell were
you this afternoon?

Speaker 24 (57:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (57:55):
I'm good mate, How are you boy.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, we're good. You've got a friend who's about to
enter police college.

Speaker 14 (58:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (58:01):
Mate, so this quay we've sort of become friendly. We've
got kids about the same age. He actually used to
work for me, and he has he's had three goes
at getting through the initial exam before he goes away
to basic training. And mate, look, this guy is a

(58:25):
good friend of mine and he is a really nice guy.
But the thought of him having a firearm is terrifying.

Speaker 7 (58:33):
You know.

Speaker 25 (58:35):
Well, look, he worked under me in the freezing works
and he was barely capable of doing that. And it
takes three goes. If it takes three goes to get through,
and then you're going to give someone a firearm, you know,
it's it's a pretty scary thought. And I can't I

(58:55):
can't imagine he's the only example of But don't get
me wrong, I'm guessing they struggle to recruit people, whether
the standards are quite what they were. I'm sure you
could arm some officers, but blanket arming every officer is
a pretty I mean, well, I was looking before on
one News today. There's a lot a PCA binding of

(59:15):
an unjustified shooting. So to think that you're going to
arm every officer, and you know, I mean the body
cam thing. Yeah, that's a bit rich to say that
a body cam. I would imagine a sidearm probably cost
more than a body can.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the thing because the side
arm would have to come with increased training, which is
more expense. And then you're talking about a body cam
and all the admin that we're hearing about coming through
around body cams and the storage of the footage and
the dealing with that. And at the same time as
budgets are stretched across the board everywhere. I mean, it

(59:53):
just it's like everything in this country, isn't it, Because
ideally you would pay police more than we do, and
then you could get really really high candidates across the
board and it would be really a really great option
for people. I mean, when you're doing your twenty week
training course, you're on fifty fifty eight thousand dollars a
year up to sixty three, but after five years you're

(01:00:15):
only up to eighty eight thousand dollars a year. And
to be out their role of money, it's about there
risking your life for eighty eight thousand dollars a year.
You're asking people to really make sacrifices for the good
of the country.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Definitely.

Speaker 25 (01:00:29):
Yeah, look, I get that, but I mean, if you
look at lights of the US and things like that,
I would have thought of the police at advocating or
the new commissioners advocating for firearms. He would be advocating
for bodycams at the same time, because I mean, if
you look at the US and stuff like that, that's
their only way that they're going to be able to

(01:00:53):
justify some of this stuff as if they've got bodycam footage. Otherwise,
you know, it sort of becomes like the court of
public opinion in the US.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for your call.
I mean to say that the new place be cosmission
isn't advocating. Richard Chalmers has said he is open to
discussing the routine arming of officers. So it's a few
steps back from advocating open to discussing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
That's right, We're not quite there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
He hasn't even said which way he's looking to discuss it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Right, We're going to pick this up after the headlines
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Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Thank you, Rayleen. It is twenty four to three. We're
talking about is it time to arm our police officers
on the back of comments from Commissioner Richard Chambers, and
as you mentioned before, he said he is open to
the idea. There's no indication that in the next couple
of years we're going to have all cops with side ups.
That's not the conversation we're having. We're talking about the
idea of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, But the Police Association Vice president Steve Watts had
said that the union has long advocated for routine armoring
of officers and sixty eight percent of staff support it
and that they really want to have the conversation, but
they have a vision at starting with pistols on the hip. Currently,
officers are access to firearms, but they're kept locked and
patrol cars. Although we've just talked to a police officer

(01:03:20):
off here and he said on a shift he is
often getting his going to that car and getting those
on unlocked weapons out six times in a shift.

Speaker 22 (01:03:29):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I mean what are they facing out there that they're
having to get their weapons out six times in a shift?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make sense, does it When he
has to go to his car, unlock the gun safe,
pull out those weapons six times a shift. Then that
argument about having a side arm on you at all
times becomes a bit more simple, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, and we're putting this together. The two issues go
hand in hand, between body cams and guns because if
police are going to have guns, and we're hearing a
lot from police officers and different and people on that
disagree with the situation saying if guns come through, we
need body cams on every cop. There's a text through
nine two. I used to work specifically body cams across

(01:04:08):
the Red New Zealand had costed out a few times.
The camera itself is not expensive. There are issues around
data storage at the moment. New Zealand has data sovereignty issues,
which means that they're unable to leverage the cloud. It
is an area that is changing historically. To store all
of the data on your own surfaces servers requires the
police to have a considerable uplift and cost for service

(01:04:28):
space or storage space within a partner data center. Pretty
easy to operate. They just clip it on when I
start their day's work, take it off at the end
of the day, et cetera. So like everything we say
put body cams and cops, but it's so much more
complicated and more expensive than that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Certainly is Nigel, you think it's a double edged sword.

Speaker 26 (01:04:51):
Well, i'd just gone between my brother and I have
discussed it, and he took the side that they if
they are themselves, then the real criminals that love their
love their guns, I'll be to. So it's going to
ramp it up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
M Yeah, we've still talked about it that bit this afternoon.
But I guess the argument against that is criminals are
ramping up their arming to deal with their adversaries and
to use those weapons and criminal activity and when the
police come and face them. It seems unlikely to me

(01:05:32):
that the criminals are arming up to face the police,
because that seems like a battle that you will lose,
because if you start shooting at police, the entire force
will come down on you. I think that the arming
up is to deal with other criminals, and it just
so happens that's what the police end up facing and
then things get out of control. So you're in a
situation where one side's arming up for a war they're fighting,

(01:05:53):
or criminal activity they're doing. The police have to deal
with that environment that is ramping up.

Speaker 26 (01:05:58):
Nigel, you did right there, Matthew, you did right there.
I couldn't have seen it better myself.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I need that kind of affirmation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
A quick text here of oh guys, there's a nine
year old Australian coming here to live in the seventies
in christ Shot. My biggest complaint to my parents about
New Zealand was that it was that animal life was boring.
Just bloody sheep, no McDonald's, and I was bloody disappointed
the police didn't wear guns like the Yozzie Well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I think there'd be a lot of support in the
community up just so police Australian kids think it's cool.
And we don't want to bring the crocs over here either,
just so they like the animals. But we do have McDonald's,
so I'm glad we've got that for you. Now, there
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your Afternoon rolls on.
Matt Even Tyler Adams Afternoon Us Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Be we're having a great discussion here. Thanks for tuning in.
Our number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two is the text, And here's a message
that's come through. I'm a police officer in South Auckland.
I'm regularly armed due to the nature of my work.
I would love in caps a body camera as well.
It would make it so muchmuch easier to give evidence
in court. We have absolutely nothing to hide. But yeah,

(01:07:13):
as we said before, I think most people, and it
seems from what we're getting through from police officers, most
police officers would want body cams. But there is so
much issue around body cams in terms of data storage,
admin and costs and money, and like everything in this country,
we don't have much cash. I think a lot of
New Zealanders, probably most New Zealands, would like to pump

(01:07:35):
a lot more money into the police. But every time
we look at doing that, it seems very very difficult
because there's so many different areas that need money and
we're a little bit skinned.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
We certainly are. Wayne is taking a different side to
this one. Getta guys. Police with guns would be far
too dangerous. Police already kill at a far greater rate
than the general population. It will lead to far more
innocent deaths.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Well, that's statistics. Again. I mean, I don't know if
that's true or not, but police may or may not.
But there's so much there's so few a police than
the general population, and they are in much more complicated
situations in the general population. So how many people end
up dying because of altercation with the polices? You can't

(01:08:19):
relate that to what the general public is doing. It's
a totally and utterly different thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Spot on, Greg, Do you think the police need better
training if we're going to arm all of them?

Speaker 27 (01:08:28):
Yeah, totally, Like, because I do pistol shooting and we've
got to do at least one shoot a month, so
there's twelve shoots every year, there's a minimum, and like
I shoot with a few offices as well. But I'm
just surprised that not all of them, but all police
should be required to be part of a pistol club.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
So at a pistol club, I guess there's there's there's
safety training in that and learning safety and there's also
accuracy in it. But what about the other side of it, which.

Speaker 27 (01:09:04):
Is enforces that people have to be from oil with
the firearm. They have to have that level of safety
and if they don't regularly do it. You know, I
wouldn't trust anybody that doesn't regularly do it. Yeah, even
some of the officers I shoot with. If you're not
on your if you're on an off day, you're only

(01:09:24):
shooting at twenty five meters and they regularly missed the target. Yeah,
that's a stray bullet which will hit something else.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, and that's that's not under under pressure, do you do?
You hunt it all green, and that's just relaxed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:09:39):
And I don't own my own pistols because you can't
really borrow my brothers when we go shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
But how different is shooting when you're actually got a
target hunting as opposed to.

Speaker 27 (01:09:51):
And the difference between a pistol and a rifle is
a rifle is far more accurate a pistol, That's what
I'm saying. At twenty five meters, if you're not on
your game, you'll miss so easily.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
And so you're talking Greg as well about a police
that are going to a pistol, So you'd imagine they
would be at the upper end of.

Speaker 27 (01:10:11):
Still, we're doing twelve twelve shoots a year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah, and you and you haven't been most cops.

Speaker 27 (01:10:17):
Don't even aren't even part of a pistol club, so
they don't even have that amount of practice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
And Greg, what do you think of the skills of
the police that you've seen at these pistol at your
pistol range.

Speaker 27 (01:10:27):
Oh, definitely a lot better. I think it should be
mandatory police. Yeah, handling any firearm, they should be part
of a club.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:10:34):
Not only is that good for the community and for optics,
but it makes them more skilled with the thing they're using.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah, because if we getting into a situation of the
arm defender squad right and they have very rigorous firearms
training on a regular basis, that is their whole well
they should. Yeah, but that's what you're saying we'd need
to do if we if we routinely arm all police
officers that have to undergo similar training, well they should be.

Speaker 27 (01:10:57):
Part of joined to a pistol club, just like anybody
else that wants to shoot and sit alone people that
are put in a position where they're using it in
an uncomfortable situation that I would think would require it
even more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Now, Greg, and so you know, as as a hunter,
can you describe the difference between and of course this
isn't really compatible, but it is using a weapon and
a you know, a more practical sense. Can you can
you describe to us the difference between shooting at a
range and shooting in the moment when you're hunting.

Speaker 27 (01:11:30):
Yeah, well, even just the adrenaline, you know, like you know,
you're it's a completely different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, heart heartbeat, heart beats up. Decisions need to be made.
What was what was as a saying we heard about
it before because it buck wild or buck something, oh,
buck fever, buck fever.

Speaker 27 (01:11:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, because because of the adrenaline, you'll
squeeze off so many more shots than you needed to.
You know, you could miss completely just because of the adrenalines.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
So yeah, and that's the last thing you want to play.

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
So you think I've got the moment you Oh no, no,
that's straight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I thank you so much for call. But yeah, I mean,
and that's what you don't want. You don't want police
who aren't trained and dealing with increased in general drenaline
rates that will be more than understandable firing off a
lot more shots that than they mean to fire off,
which of course, of course increases the danger.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Yeah, exactly, James, you think we'd lose something with arm
in the police.

Speaker 8 (01:12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:12:33):
I think well, when one of those few nations I
think worldwide that does not on a regular basis, it's
frontline police in the streets, like Australia or in the
United States, and that's something I think that's always been
something that we're going to be somewhat proud of. Yeah,

(01:12:56):
and I think we'd lose something in that if if
we had police regularly on a regular basis. But listening
to the other guys talking just now, the gentleman before
me actually made some very relevant points that if they
are going to get to the point where they have

(01:13:18):
to on the regular basis, they need proper training because
you don't want the situations. Well as in some of
those some of the police forces in the States, their
firearms training.

Speaker 14 (01:13:35):
Is a lot to read.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
And I'll tell you what, James. The Police Association Association
vice president Steve, what is an agreement with you? He said,
New Zealand were very proud that police weren't common here
and I would like to think that we didn't get
to a place where general arming was a thing here,
but conceded and that they needed to have the conversation.

(01:14:02):
He really wanted to listen to people around that. But
I think that is true. That's one thing for the
longest time New Zealanders have had been out of We
go overseas and go oh, New Zealand is a peaceful place.
Crime isn't so bad as it is here in Chicago
or wherever you are. We don't even need to have
our police armed. But the problem is if the reality
changes and we aren't that peaceful place that we wish

(01:14:25):
we were, and god knows, we all wish we lived
in a country where police didn't need to be armed.
But if that reality changes, then it's pretty harsh on
the police to be the ones that are still walking
around in a different world unarmed.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
And that was the point that the new Commissioner made
that he's just been to eleven months with Interpol. It
was a secondment then he's seen some pretty serious stuff.
But as he said to Hither last night, it's given
him more detail in an open mind about what other countries,
how they're dealing with an increase in gun crime, and
just the possibility we might need to do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Here on the training front. This is through on nine
two nine two all frontline police are training six to
eight times a year with firearms. Most of that training
is scenario training with aos leading it, including a vehicle
stops and room clearing. You go six eight times a year?

Speaker 28 (01:15:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Interesting, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 9 (01:15:12):
It's nine to three the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty
four you talk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Z be Alex. We've been talking about is it time
to arm our police officers? And you think it is time?

Speaker 21 (01:15:29):
I do, indeed, you know. It's the world has changed,
as many people have said, and New Zealand has to
get out of this brain mindset that are we're so
lovely and so can't calm and everybody's kind and we
don't need guns on the police. Well that's absolute bs.
The world has changed. But the reason why called really

(01:15:51):
is listening to all the drivel that some people are
putting forward about you can't arm the police and they're
going to be dangerous and this is and everybody give
me having guns and what have you. It's as if
we're going they think that we're going to say, oh,
mister constable, here's your gun right off you go. That's
not the way it happens. We're going to go through
intensive training and that'll be ongoing all the time. I

(01:16:14):
just find some people the things that come into their
heads are just mind boggling, so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Well, it's nicely said Alex. But just on the points
of the resources and the funding that is going to
be needed to get to that point, are you saying
we should start that process now that's a worthwhile investment
because that is a logical argument that they just do
not have enough money to be able to have the
body cams and the side arms and the training at
this point.

Speaker 21 (01:16:41):
At this point, yes, but you know, if we want
the police to do the job that we want them
to do, then we have to give them the tools
to be able to do the job that we want
them to do, and that includes side arms and body cameras,
and it just needs to be built into the budgeting
over the years ahead until everybody, every policeman has those

(01:17:03):
tools available to them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, nicely said Alex. Thank you very much for giving
us a buzz quick text here. I've been a police
officer for over thirty years. All of the concerns people
have about the amount of training the public want us
to have is not practicable and have police on the
street at the same time, there is enough regarding twenty
five meters with pistols. That's why we have the M

(01:17:25):
four rifle to give us the distance. That is why
you see us with both. Yes, the rifle was safer
over distance, but you need the pistol for close quarter incidents.
Matt Hutt could have had a chance if we had
been armed. Thank you very much for those texts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah, it's been a great discustion. I think we all
wish we lived in a country, as Police Association Vice
president Steve Watts said, that doesn't have general arming of cops.
We're quite proud of the idea, but I think also
criminals are arming up to combat each other and to
use on the public. The amount of armed crime is
increasing rapidly. It seems to be unfair for cops to

(01:18:01):
face that without the tools they need. But I think
we'd also agree if that happens, we need to spend
the money to train up the police and also give
them the body cameras so we can see exactly what happened.
The new police Commissioner Richard Chambers says he has opened
a discussion around routine arming of police officers. So I
guess we'll watch the space.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, a lot of people saying he looks like
flesh Gordon, the new commissioner. I think that's a term
of endearment.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Which particular flesh Gordon from the movie with the Queen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Yeah, the original with the beautiful blonde. Here, he's got
striking cheekbones, I would say, our new commissioner.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Okay, I'll check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Yeah, right, that is where we'll leave it for now,
because after three o'clock we want to have a chat
about cruise shit. So eight undred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Yeah, let's lighten things up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
WOE two is the teach number. Back in a mow.

Speaker 24 (01:18:51):
That's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Your new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
News Talks. It'd be it is six past three RT.
Couple of hours. Yeah, on the arming of police, and
thank you very much for your calls and text. But
we're going to change it up over the next hour.
We want to talk about cruise ships. So this is
on the back of a cruise line offering a four
year trip for Americans wishing to skip Trump's second term.
This is Villa vy residents they want or saying they're

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allowing US residents to skip forward through Donald Trump's presidency
and it's a four year escape that is going to
visit four hundred different ports and one hundred and ninety
six countries.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
How nazie would you have to be? Are they going
to stay off in the twenty four hour news cycle
from back home? I mean, do they really think that
outside of the world you can escape American politics because
it seems to have a pretty big effect on here
and we're a long way away.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Well, I wonder how popular it is because the price
is right. They start at just forty thousand bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
A year, so that's forty thousand dollars American a year
for single ocimbacygu cabins for the full four years, so
two hundred fifty six thousand dollars with double ocumency and
three hundred and twenty thousand for it flash. That doesn't
seem like a lot. Are you going to be slumming
it just to stay away? From America. I mean, is
it really that bad in America under Trump? Especially if

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you live saying in terms of what your political beliefs
are that you would rather be floating at sea and something.
It only cost forty thousand dollars a.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Year in a single man cabin. Yeah, in the middle
of nowhere in the Pacific Ocean, just looking at blue.
But it had us thinking because cruise a cruise ship
holidays have now become a big thing again. They tape
it off during the COVID years for good reason, but
they are as popular as they've ever been. I've never

(01:20:50):
done a cruise. You have done a cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, when I look at this, that seems like a
floating hell to me being on a cruise ship for
four years. I mean, even though it sounds like some
quite good places. The Caribbean, South America, Panama, you're in Chili. Oh,
they go down to the Antarctic, you go to a
carnival and Rio. You might even see a bit of
the Amazon River. So you're seeing a lot of the world.

(01:21:14):
But even so, it's what I've found when I've been
on cruise ships, and one of them was I was
semi working on because I was being a roadie for
a band. But and another one I was on just
in a capacity of what do you call it? A
holiday capacity? And both times I've just felt like I've

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been stuck in the hotel. You're in the sea, and
then when you pull up to anywhere you're going to
actually go, it takes so long to disembark. So I
just do not understand them. But they're very popular, so
there must be a reason why people love them. So
I waite hundred and eighty ten eighty why a cruise
ship is so good? Please tell us about the great
cruises you've been on. But if you've like me and

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you've been on a cruise and you haven't enjoyed it,
like to tear your stories as well. After about four
days and one cruise I was on, I just ended
up locking myself in my cabin drinking and watching horror films.
I just cut take it anymore. And then and then
I spend about half a day in the casino. Yeah,
I'd go out at night and there was like multiple
bars you could go out and do, but they were

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the worst bars you've ever been to in your life.
So I just don't get it. Plus you will put
on about one hundred kgs where you're on that boat
because there's so much food, because there's so little to do.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Three hours on the inter island. There was too much
for me after and and a half and like, come on,
rap it, let's get to the port.

Speaker 8 (01:22:33):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Well, in defensive cruise ships, there's a little bit more
to do than the inter Islander. I mean, the entire
islander is you know, you're basically just sitting there. I
mean you can watch movies and stuff. I personally like
the Into Islander, but yeah, I mean, what is it
about cruise ships. I just can't understand it. The idea.
I mean, look, going to these places sounds amazing. The Caribbean,

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you know, I'd love to South American journeys, Panama, the
Wonders of the World, chilean Ford's, Antarctica, Carnival and Rio.
All this was great stuff. But I'd like to just
visit them one off and not have to travel around
in the punishing floating hotel. Yeah, and it's never as
good as I mean, if you go to a city,
you don't spend that much time in the hotel. You're

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out out of the hotel. But am I missing something?
Here about cruises, I just do not get them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Here's my biggest reservation. I've never done a big cruise,
but part of me wants to do the cruise in Alaska.
I think, out of all of them, that to me
is the most appealing because for some reason, I've just
got this fascination with Alaska and it is a beautiful
part of the America. But my reservation is I feel
it's just for older people. It's not for someone of
my generation, as you say, the much hated millennial. I

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just don't know if millennials love cruise ships that much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Yeah, I've been on one that was a party cruise
ship and as a result, it sort of had a
sort of had a situation. It was basically a call
what do you call the someone'll tell me the nine
two too? What do you call the brig yep? So
it was basically a trunk tank on there for the
poor behavior. And as we're leaving Auckland, someone you know,
and deep in the night jumped off one level trying

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to land in the pool and broke his leg and
they had to turn around. So that was a party
cruise ship and that sounds all right. No, that was terrible, right.
I don't have any problem with the older people on
the cruise ship. I don't have any problem with that
at that all. I don't mind that people take a
little bit of a while to get down the corridors, bless.
Not a problem at all there. It's just the idea
of being trapped for large amounts of time on a ship,

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and then when you actually get somewhere, it takes so
bleeding long for everyone to get up. You have to
take a ticket before you get on the boat to
get off, or even anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
You've got some grievances here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
I was going to say, don't get me started, but
we're about to talk about this, so do get me started.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Sell it to
Matt and I. Why do you love cruise ship holidays
so much? It is twelve p us three. It's a
quarter bas three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
So there's a cruise cruise liner, a cruise company that's
offering four year and two year cruises to get people
out of America away from Donald Trump's second term. When
I hear the idea of being on a cruise ship,
I don't care where you're going for four years. That
is my worst nightmare. I've been on a couple of
cruise ships, haven't enjoyed it. What am I missing? Eight

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hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Diane, you love your cruisers, Yes, that's right.

Speaker 29 (01:25:22):
So anywhere between the Antarctica or the Antarctic and in between,
round the Mediterranean, through Panama Canal, through the sewers, like
I reckon, it's a great way to have a holiday.
You can either you know, choose yourself if you want
to mix with everyone else on the cruise ship, which
I do, and you get to know the early rises

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that are out keeping fast and no, it's the only
way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
So, Diane, you're from christych When you go on a
cruise ship, do you where do you leave from?

Speaker 29 (01:25:53):
Well it depends. See I've left from Auckland, I've left
from Singapore, left from Australia, left from your Shire, left
from up the top of Norway.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Where was the best places you've been? Because you actually
sound and a couple of questions, what's the longest cruise
you've been on, Diane.

Speaker 29 (01:26:14):
Singapore to London that was about twenty three days. That
was through the Service Canal, India, all around Spain, Gibralta
and London.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
So that sounds that sounds quite good, Diane, because all
the cruise ships I've been on is in the Pacific
and it's been mainly at sea. But you're the cruise
you're going on the ones you sound like, sound like
you're spending a lot of time on port? Are you
at port? And there's a lot of stops?

Speaker 29 (01:26:42):
Ah, especially the run to Singapore to London, there was
a lot of stops there. And you know, even down
in the Antarta you stop there and you know, get
off and do that. But no, you could never be bored.
And see, the Alaskan cruises are really good too.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Now, Diane, I know you're very well traveled. Are you
telling me, honestly, the best way or the best holiday
for you, because you've done a lot of traveling in
your life, is on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I reckon it's great about Sorry to talk over you, Diane,
but but but what about as opposed to just finding
somewhere incredible and flying there and staying in a hotel
or wherever in the airbnb and having a look around.
What is it about being on the cruise ship that's
better for you?

Speaker 8 (01:27:27):
Well?

Speaker 29 (01:27:27):
I think it's you know, different types. And Okay, I
go to places too where you know, I go for
a few days and you know, do all lands like
I don't cruise you know every year and that. But no,
anywhere I go on holiday is great.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Have you made many friends on the cruise ships?

Speaker 24 (01:27:45):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:27:45):
Yes, lots of friends and some have been hard cases
here the very first cruise I went on. I still
correspond with my friends from America in the UK.

Speaker 30 (01:27:57):
And that's over a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Few years so back now, So what about a four
year cruise? There's a four year cruise too long for you?

Speaker 29 (01:28:04):
No, I'd never get bored.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
It's a big jump from there's some people that can
that live on cruise ships.

Speaker 11 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 29 (01:28:12):
There's that cruise worldship that you know goes around and
the cruise I know, if I had the opportunity to
go on that, Yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Yeah. Oh, thank you so much for you call Diane.
You're really selling the dream there. I've got a shocking
thing that I did on a cruise ship that I
actually want to want to want to share, which may
have tainted me towards cruise ships in general because the
level of humiliation I felt about this cruise happen on
the first day as well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Was Oh, this is going to be good, This is
going to be good, right, it's coming up. I wait
one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear your experience
on cruise ships. If you're a cruise ship for netic
it is nineteen plus.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
I hate him, you might love them. I'd love to
hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on youth talk Z.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
It's twenty one past three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
We're talking about cruise ships. There's a four year cruise
that's leaving a mirror. People can stand it for the
entire term of Trump's presidency. Sounds cowardly to me. You know,
just if you don't like it, then then do something
about it. But I said before and that I didn't
like cruise ships. But I've got a little bit of
a story. I was I was booked on a cruise

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ship with a band to be there Roadie yep. And
on the first day before the first gig. So it
was there was a well known band and the cruise
people that bought tickets to be on with the band,
and where was this cruise going. It was around the
Pacific to Fiji, went to Samow I believe, I mean
and as well I think anyway, So we were out

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at sea for quite a long time. But on the
first day, I, just before the band's first gig, I
clipped all the strings off the bass guitar of the
bassis to replace the strings. So I clipped them off first,
and then I was like, okay, cool, I'll just go
to my bag to get the strings to replace the
bass strings. And I hadn't bought the bas so this

(01:30:09):
is they were supposed to play on the on the
five times and on the day one, i'd clip the
strings off, so I was trying to jimmy them together
so they could be played. And then and then I
ended up luckily finding some bass strings, was it wasn't
the right size. It's very complicated from the actual on

(01:30:30):
cruise ship band. And then I actually met a Filipino
guy that played in a mental band that that would played.
They used to they played and you know, kind of
like Titanic styles down in the underground where it's all rusty,
and they had been so I managed to sort that
out about two days in. But I mean I've never
felt like more of an idiot. I was like, Hey,
you know how I'm supposed to be looking after the guitars. Well,

(01:30:53):
there's no based strings. We've got a problem, and we've
got we've got a problem. You've had an idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
But that stainted your cruise experience, is it? Well, there's
a cruise ship's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yeah, But then I just felt like I was trapped
in this floating hotel and I couldn't couldn't get off.
So anyway, and then I got some being got candles.
Anyway's talk about it's not about me. Who have we
got here?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
We'll go Christine, get a Christine. You've been on three cruises.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
Me, you know, I've been a far more than that.
Oh you could have always played air guitar, you know,
Well I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Was pretty close for me having to get on the
stage and play.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
I've just got back from a thirty six day cruise
a couple of weeks ago out of London, across to
East coast of New York of US and Canada, back
across the Atlantic again to France and back to UK.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
What was sort of the longest time you spent at
sea without going to port.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Six days. Yeah, normal normally, and that was going across
the Atlantic. But normally in the past I would go
no more than two days at sea. But it doesn't
bother me now, it's you know, I do well. Last
year I did three back to backs out of Amsterdam,
which was great, just stayed in the same cabin, same ship,

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and you know, that was good. And there was an
Australian couple there that I met and they were catching
up on a lot of the cruisers that had to
cancel during COVID and they were doing nine back to
backs on this on the cruise ship. What they were doing.
They did the ones out of Amsterdam. Then they stayed
with the ship because it relocated down to the Mediterranean,

(01:32:44):
so they went and did some more down there. But
you know, if money was no object, I'd have an
apartment on World Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But the thing is cruising,
when you go on holiday, it's no hustle. You unpack
once and that's it, okay. Whereas you know, if you
go somewhere else, you sort of you know, oh you rush,

(01:33:05):
you got to got to catch the train here or
catch a place there, and you're rushing and unpacking and packing,
and well you know, you don't have all that on
cruise ships.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
When you were crossing the Atlantic, did you have the
Titanic in your mind? Were you looking out for icebergs?

Speaker 28 (01:33:20):
No, but I was.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Watching the weather system from Florida. It only came up
to just below New York, but we had a very
smooth process.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
That's a really interesting point, Christine, that I hadn't thought
of that. I guess that's it. You have a base
because some people don't like packing. And the thing about
flying around and traveling around for different places is that
you're unpacking and packing. You've got the admin of booking
into the hotel and getting from the airport to the
hotel and all that kind of stuff that has taken
out of the equation, which which I can see the

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appeal in that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
Yeah, yeah, but I know it's and you'll learn so
many things. I mean, you know I did. I went
to fencing classes on one cruise and I did all this.
And I always go to on ships that have art
galleries because I go to all the lectures there and
the auctions, and they always have heaps of champagne free.

(01:34:16):
And I've just received my art roll of things that
I bought most only bought one piece of art this time,
but I won four, so I've just done unpacked that yesterday,
So it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Christine, what evans if you go to a particular port
in a particular city and you love it so much,
you even in the best time, and then you've got
to get back on the boat, I mean, and you
want to stay at this place? Do you ever get
that feeling?

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
But you didn't know, but you've had the opportunity of
testing out, so you can go back there later.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Oh yeah, what about the over indulgement, because I found
when I was on a cruise ship, I put on
about I reckon ten kgs in about a week.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
No, what you what you've got to do is never
take the elevator, always take the stairs.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah, christ Yeah, A fellow, when I was on a
cruise ship, all they were trying to do was stuff
food into me. Every corner I went round, you go,
you'd eat breakfast, and then you go around the that
have a barbecue by the pool, and then you were
eating again, and then there was lunch, and yeah, maybe
that's maybe that talks more to my self.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
Contry and the Americans seemed to be at every point.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Christine, you're great, Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
Oh eight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Nine two nine two Are your cruise ship converts me? Yeah,
we know you're not sold yet.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Well I've been on two and I didn't enjoy them.
But I do like the sound of what Christine's saying.
There's she's selling it. She's selling the dream to me.
But you know, I just can only talk about my experience.
Maybe it's where I went. Maybe you need to go
to you know, to the Northern Hemisphere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Yeah, just on the buffet. Are they opened twenty four seven?
So if I wake up at three o'clock on the
morning and the morning on a cruise ship, I can
just rock to the buffet and get some food. I
don't think so, oh okay, I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
I was almost solid.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
You have your times for your dinners, but you can
probably call your your bell boy or come and bring
you some food.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's twenty eight past three.

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Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Thank you, Raylane. We're talking about cruise ships.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Yeah, that's right. A cruise company is offering Americans a
four year escape from President elect Donald Trump's second term
in the White House. So that's four years at sea
because you're too much of a coward to face up
to what's going on at home. But the wider question
we're talking about is cruise ships in general. I haven't
enjoyed cruise ships when I've been on them, But as

(01:37:50):
people are pointing out, you've probably been on the wrong
cruise ships because people are ringing in and describing some
pretty pretty fun sounding trips.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Yeah, and I've got to say, all the bad situations
that happen to you on the cruise ship is entirely
your fault.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Met Well, yeah, that's true. Actually, as I said before,
there was a mess up and the other one was
a mess up. But I'll tell you the best time
I ever had on a cruise ship, right, it was
the same cruise ship where I was cut the bass
strings off the guitar when I was supposed to be
being a rody and looking after the instruments for the band. Yep,
I had to find these strings. And I met this

(01:38:23):
guy called Buddy who was a Filipino Kevin. He was
looking after our cabin and I talked to him about it,
and he told me about his band and he was
playing below deck that night. So I got invited down
to below deck where nothing's flash anymore, you know, it's
all sort of loosely painted. But there was a bar
down there where Heineken's were fifty cents, and his band

(01:38:46):
played and it was packed with the crew, and that
was a raucous night. That was the best night we
had on the cruise ship that one. And then in
a couple of nights later we got snuck down there again,
and that was just seeing a different world of the
cruise ship because there's you know, in any cruise ship,
there's a massive amount of staff on the ship. You know,
you might have if there's you know, if there's two

(01:39:08):
and a half one thousand people on the on the ship,
there might be fifteen hundred, one thousand to fifteen hundred
staff on there. Yeah, so they have great, great parties
below deck if you can get invited.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
That was your Kate Winslet moment. It was so funny,
it was Leo DiCaprio and you were Kate winsor have
been brought down into the fun section.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Yeah, and then I painted Buddy. I painted Buddy like
one of one of my French girls as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Later on in the car, Uh tikes to guys, cruise
ships are the worst. No wonder you didn't like it.
I would never cruise p and O or any other
cruises for that matter.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Okay, there you go, all right, Quinn?

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
How are you?

Speaker 22 (01:39:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:39:44):
Good mate? How are yourselves go?

Speaker 7 (01:39:46):
Good? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
You're a You're a cruise lover yourself, are you? Quinn?

Speaker 28 (01:39:51):
Right? I've done a lot of traveling, got a lot
of sharing in the UK and around the world. So
I traveled a lot on my own with the grease
on my own. Yeah, you want to go to you
when you're single and young, and then I got married.
The moss is never I sort of travel. So her

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brother was working in Paris, so she wanted to go.
So I said, I've been to Paris twice, but I'll
only go if I go based in Europe. So we
did a riverboat cruise from book Areastern roman Or from Romania,
through Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and Hungry that was bloody brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I think that sounds amazing, Quinn. My dad did a
similar riverboat cruise and those kind of smaller cruise ships
and has he kept sending me pictures of his feet
because the cabin I'm not sure if you were in
one of these caverns, but the cabin opens right up
so you can see the view. And so he was
sending me like hundreds of pictures of his feet, but

(01:40:56):
with amazing views out the window of incredible architecture.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Sounds awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:41:02):
We saw that.

Speaker 28 (01:41:04):
Tessa Balas and Romania up on the Wolves of the Daniube.
Brother brilliant when he thought the Romans, it's a wall ago.

Speaker 21 (01:41:13):
But then we did this trip.

Speaker 28 (01:41:16):
I loved it. Meet some lovely people. There was six
of us having dinner. Two American guys that both been
to name the wives and the wife annoy. We all
had one thing in common. We could milk a housecow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
You could milk a housecow.

Speaker 28 (01:41:35):
Yep, the whole six of us. She said, I want
to go on a cruise, Pacific cruise. So we were
supposed to go next year, but we had to take
it because they're stopping them carnival cruises Anyway, I got
on this boat two and a half thousand people. I

(01:41:58):
can sympathize with your mate claustrophobic.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Yeah yeah, I mean that that's that was the worst
part for me. But I think things like the river
crew is that you're talking about that My dad went on,
he had a fantastic time, and that's you're seeing a
lot of stuff. You're getting off a lot. Although he
said what he had a saying, which was in if C,
which was not another something cathedral because right, see cathedral,

(01:42:26):
see a lot a lot of cathedrals. But you know,
I love a cathedral. But there's a lot of them.
But that sounds like I could handle that. It's the
smallest ship you're getting on, you're getting off. You don't
have the claustrophobia. You're not out in the Pacific Ocean
for days at a time with three sixty degree ocean
candles because you've got some burnt in trouble with the

(01:42:47):
band because you clip the strings off. You know, I
can see the river cruise being a lot better.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yeah, well this Texas backing up Quinn as well. My
husband will never go on a cruise ship, but we
did do a riverboat cruise over two weeks. Amazing trip
from Budapest to Amsterdam. We both loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Oh yeah, I'd love to do one of those, you know,
if I could do anything. And I'm loving the sound
these riverboat cruises, and my dad's definitely sold it to me.
But I would love to do the Orient Express or
one of those trains. I've never been on a train
where you sleep overnight. I'd love to do the Trans Siberian.
I think that's a lot more complicated now with the
current political situation. But one of those trains where you

(01:43:24):
just travel, you sleep on the train, dining cart, you
get off in different places. I'd love to do.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
One of those would be what's what's the Kevin's Light?
There are they quite a roomy? I suppose you can
get so roomy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
I think I think on a train they're pretty unroomy.
I think the whole thing's pretty unroomy. I mean you
think of the murder on the r T Express, the original,
not the Kenneth recent one.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Not very roomy, A lot of root easy to find
the murderer. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eightier is than
number to coo it is twenty two to.

Speaker 7 (01:43:51):
Four murder is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty
and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 9 (01:43:59):
You for twenty twenty four news talk, said b it
is nineteen to four. This is news talk, said be
breaking news.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Yes, and breaking news. A security guard has serious injuries
after being stabbed in the neck outside Auckland's Westfield Moreland
New markt this afternoon. Police say guards approach a man
on Broadway about two thirty pm when he produced a knife.
For twenty four year olds in custody. Just repeating that
and breaking news. A security guard has serious injuries after
being stabbed in the neck outside of Auckland's Westfield Moreland

(01:44:32):
New Market this afternoon. Police guards approached the man on
Broadway when he produced a knife for twenty four year
olds now in custody. More on that as the afternoon progresses. Yeah,
very very sad. We have been talking about cruise ships.
This is on the back of a cruise line operator
out of the US that is offering Americans the chance

(01:44:52):
to cruise for four years to skip the Donald Trump presidency.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Sounds like a bit of a wingy cruise if you're
away for four years. Just complaining about the result.

Speaker 7 (01:45:01):
Of would be.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
It was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Get a few people with mega hats joining the cruise,
it'll be interesting, see what.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Haven't Yeah, plenty of tempts coming through on nine to
nine two Matt Krue Bars on cruise ships are just
the best. My sister worked on a cruise ship for
many years and joined her on a couple of cruises.
Every night in the crew bar, what a hoop? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Yeah, I was so lucky to be invited below deck
to a cruise bar and a Filipino Metallica covers band
was playing it. It was Kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Stefan, you've just returned from a cruise?

Speaker 14 (01:45:35):
Yes I have.

Speaker 13 (01:45:36):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:45:36):
Don't think that I'm actually a salesperson for this, but I'm,
let's just say, in my latter years over fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
And it's actually the best holiday I've ever had.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Wow, Where did you go?

Speaker 30 (01:45:48):
Now?

Speaker 14 (01:45:49):
I'll start with we left Auckland, went out for three
and a half days. Left on a Friday afternoon about midday,
came back Tuesday morning. Now made of mine? I didn't
even have any say of it. A maide of mine
booked and paid for it, and like months ago, and
I eventually paid him off. But so I didn't even
have any say he was a good made of mine
and I went with it. But look, all I can

(01:46:10):
say is, after listening to what people say, it's what
you make of it. Now, I'm actually a muso. I'm
an the museo.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
I've been a roadie.

Speaker 14 (01:46:21):
I love bands, and I love partying. And seriously, look,
on the first day when they left at about two o'clock,
I was about three siders and I was at the
top bar looking down over the pool and stuff, and
then suddenly they started playing Mark A Rainer and Ymca
and all the rest of it. And there was about

(01:46:41):
ten really well we'll say, rather nice looking girls who
were dancing. And they were zomber girls, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
They were there for the cruise.

Speaker 14 (01:46:49):
So what I decided to do was in my thing,
was just jump up and start partying with them. Well
without going right into the whole cruise, I just set
off just that. It was like a cross between Groundhog
Day and Barris Buller's Day Off. That's all I've got. Seriously,
it was so good on water. So we're hearing you
guys complaining, like I'm like, what are you for real?

(01:47:13):
Like no, no, no parking, no cars. You had a
thing around your neck where you just you could get
bar service anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
So I had a ball. So where are we going
with you out on the Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 14 (01:47:26):
Yep, we saw a bit of like Cape Ranger. You
could actually follow it on the on the TV. But
you know, I didn't spend much time in the room.
It was like it was amazing because it was there
were so many bars and you could go from bar
to bar to bar to bar to bar. And I
had one of the best times because I was partying.
One night at about seven o'clock, I was singing Hotel,

(01:47:47):
California and I was just at the table by myself.
My mate was getting hit on by someone at the
next table, and a girl came up to me and said,
you should be singing on stage. And I was going, well,
I don't know about that. Sweet and she was actually
a singer in a band. I'll give her a plag
called Still Undecided from Parmerston North. She dragged me up
on stage, gave me all the confidence in the world.

(01:48:08):
We sung April Son and Cuba. I've got a made
of Mine that videoed it Tylie White. When I walked upstage,
the wildest rush you've ever.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Had, I'd go on a cruise with you any day.
Step and you sound like a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Yeah, you take the rip it up approach to cruising,
which is not everyone's approach.

Speaker 14 (01:48:24):
I'm lucky, I'm tall, on vibrant.

Speaker 22 (01:48:26):
I you know.

Speaker 14 (01:48:28):
Look, I've been I've been a few different places around
the world, so I can travel and I can talk.
But seriously, hearing you guys say you sat in your
room and watch movies or something, I.

Speaker 18 (01:48:39):
Was like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Stephen Stiff and I had a great time in my
room watching movies. I watched Dawn of the Dead and
Day of the Dead, good movies. And I watched The
Passion of the Christ and I ordered in a lot
of drinks.

Speaker 14 (01:48:56):
Well, seriously, I made the movie. Seriously, I'm not I've
never it was the next level holiday and my head
people coming up to me. My mate was actually, unbeknown
to me, videoing me. Every time I looked around, he
was videoing me, and he was sending it back to
the mainland. And by the time I got back, I
had people coming up to me. But I'll tell you
what I did. When I first got on board, I

(01:49:18):
said a load to a lot of people who looked
like they were good people and they kept coming back
to me. And that's what I'm coming about the Groundhog Day,
So say hello to people.

Speaker 9 (01:49:27):
Look happy and the.

Speaker 14 (01:49:28):
Vibe that I had and the vibe that I got
from back from other people. I was dancing with woman
twenty years younger than me, going you party like us,
So I was very lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Oh there go, Steffan. The love you make is equal
to the love you take, or whatever the other way
around you. You know, believe in love. What you put
out into the world will come back to you. A
whole lot of things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Yeah, that's party hard.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
And people will party hard with you. There's probably saying
out there for what you get there.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
And when I poo pooed the cruise ships, nobody said
anything about Zomba girls and the Macarena. You know, that
would have changed my mind instantly if they said that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Well, when I heard the Macarena and Ymca, I thought this.
I thought that he was going to be complaining about that.
But there's a way you could look at that and say,
I think it's a whole our show. But good on you, Stefan.
You sound like you have a good time. Yeah, Gary,
your thoughts on cruise ships.

Speaker 12 (01:50:16):
Many many years ago, go back Blue Lagoon Cruises. First
cruise ever seven days. It was fantastic and right up
to today, I've never stopped cruising. We've done about six
hundred and eighty seven hundred days.

Speaker 7 (01:50:30):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:50:30):
One we did.

Speaker 12 (01:50:31):
The longest one we ever did was one hundred and
four and we've probably done five seventy five days.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Where did you leave on one hundred and four day cruise?
And where did you go? Gary?

Speaker 12 (01:50:42):
It was a world trip from Sydney back to Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Oh, God, Sydney back to Auckland via the entire planet.

Speaker 12 (01:50:50):
By the whole planet here the world cruise here was wow?

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
And when did you do that?

Speaker 12 (01:50:56):
We've done about we've done about four or five seventy
five days from from Southampton back through to Hong Kong.
That was on Q Queen Elizabeth.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
So have you you did you sell your house Gary
and you're just going cruising all the time or you
still got a property?

Speaker 25 (01:51:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
No, we did.

Speaker 12 (01:51:14):
I'll tell your story of a lot of people very
upset because they would have paid Johnny Side more than
we did. Right, we actually booked, We actually booked the
cruise in my age and next you reading me up?
He said, I've got your credit card.

Speaker 22 (01:51:26):
Do you want to book it?

Speaker 14 (01:51:28):
I said why?

Speaker 12 (01:51:28):
What's the price? He said, it's quar queen Elizabeth seventy
five days And I said, oh, don't know about that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
When's that go?

Speaker 12 (01:51:36):
He said about two months time. They've made a mistake.
It should have been twenty seven thousand, five hundred dollars each.
So we booked six thousand and five hundred dollars each.

Speaker 22 (01:51:46):
So forteen of us did it?

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Wow? So one hundred and four days as the longest
you'l do. We're talking about this cruise here that people
are looking on to for four years. Would four years
be too long for you on a cruise ship?

Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
No, no, no, no, I reckon.

Speaker 12 (01:52:03):
Seventy five days was just about maximum for me.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
There we go, Gary, you're a good man, Thank you
very much?

Speaker 21 (01:52:10):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Well a year convinced you?

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Well, like I can only go buy my own experience,
and look, I pushed back on stuff and I had
a great time watching. For some reason, there was only
three movies available. This was quite a wee while ago
in my cabin, and they were Dawn of the Dead
being still a Jack Black movie called Envy, which was
pretty funny. I like that movie, ye, and Passion of
the Christ. So when I got sucker being out there

(01:52:38):
and on the cruise ship and got and just wanted
to get off, just retreated to my room and just
got repeatedly ordered drinks and we sat in there and
watched those movies on repeat. And look, that was a
good time. I could have done that anywhere in the world,
but it wasn't a bad time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
It is ten to four, the big.

Speaker 9 (01:52:59):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

Speaker 7 (01:53:03):
Mat Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 9 (01:53:05):
Afternoons you for twenty twenty four used talk.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
We're talking cruise experiences, and Diana, you love the cruise experience.

Speaker 30 (01:53:14):
Oh absolutely, mate, first time Pauler three to you guys
in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
So thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:53:23):
No my death for and eye compliments of our divorce settlements,
we decided that we would go and visit our father's
home country of Hungary and for the best we decided
it was so we decided that we would take a cruise.
So we jumped on. We went from Auckland we went

(01:53:46):
over to Amsterdam and then we did the cruise was
Travel Marvel and so those those river cruises. I've never
even wanted to be on one of those ocean going
cruises that sort of freaking out a little bit Titanicus,
you know, so I'm a little scared. So the river cruisers, like,

(01:54:10):
they're just absolutely gorgeous to be on. You've got, like
the other people have been saying, you can unpack. Once
we were there, we had fifteen day cruise and we
visited all the countries from that between Hungary, sorry between
Amsterdam and Hungary, and we went through three of the

(01:54:32):
main rivers, the Rhine, the main end end up on
the Danube. And the thing that fascinated me the most
was the locks the rivers. The lots go up and
down and they either remove the water or they pot
water ri in and one lock was sixty two feet deep.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Oh yeah, those are so cool. That's been amazing engineering.

Speaker 30 (01:54:56):
Oh absolutely, and like the technology way back in the
day when they actually created those was astronomically amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Yeah. Well, hey, thank you so much for your call, Diana.
It sounds like a great time. Yeah. I think those
river cruises do sound like a great time. I know
my dad had a fantastic time on a river cruise
a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
Yeah, so are you finally sold?

Speaker 7 (01:55:18):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
I started off saying that I hated cruise ships after
my experiences, But now all these amazing stories I've heard
on one hundred and eighteen eighty, I think I might
just have been on the wrong cruises. I think heading
off into the Pacific and on a party cruise wasn't
my thing. Also, a couple of areas made by me
around snipping the strings off a bass guitar that I
shouldn't have absolutely and getting some burn near the kinkles.

(01:55:39):
So maybe I'm not right, But I still stand by
my claims that this four year cruise are for a
company offering Americans a four year escape from President elect
Donald Trump in a second term. I think four years
on a cruise ship with people complaining about the election
results from twenty twenty four, I can't get behind that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Yeah, it's like a living nightmare, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
But Diana's River Cruise absolutely I'm in.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Yeah, fantastic chat. Well, thank you very much for today
Tomorrow Friday, which means it's.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
The Matt and Tyler afternoons New Zealander.

Speaker 9 (01:56:11):
Of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Who will it be?

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
Yeah, looking forward to that. Thank you very much for today.
We'll do it all again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Yeah, and you have a great time too. Then your
great new Zealanders and give them a taste of kiwek

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
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