Full Show Podcast: 28 November 2024

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 28th of November, the Government is looking to determine how to progress phasing out fuel taxes and moving to road user charges for all cars.

Then, 'Insh**ification' - from Google to Air BnB to dating apps.

And with Black Friday sales in full swing, Matt and Tyler advocated giving experiences at Christmas rather than stuff.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great New Zealanders? And welcome to the
Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B. I think that's
the name of the show for our podcast for the
twenty eighth of November and the Year of our Lord,
twenty twenty four. Hell of a show, Tyler, What a day.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
So we started off talking about rocks rack, the old
road user charges.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Bring back the rucking and rugby. I think that'll that'll
improve the game. Yeah, a bit of enforcement with the sprigs,
but that's not what we were talking about. We're talking
about rose charges. Government's looking at potentially bringing that in
and getting rid of the fuel tax at the pump.
That was a great chat, and then we went into
in shitification.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Great word word of the year.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, word of the year, And that's what's happening to platforms,
your Googles, your facebooks, your Airbnb over time. You start off,
they start off these companies giving you, giving you a
great service, and then they turn you into the product
and then it turns to crap. Then they focus on
the businesses and then they rip off the businesses and
then then the platform slowly starts to die. Look at facebooks.

(01:18):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
There was a good chat as well, everybody gets fleeced
and then after three o'clock experiences versus stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, that was a that was a fantastic chat. It
was heartwarming chat. There was a bit of sexual content
that came in that was disappointing, but apart from that,
a fantastic chat. And a visit from my good buddy,
Alternative Commentary Collective head Garrot Laine came in for a
chat about the cricket So.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Very good show.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Enjoyed that a lot, So I hope you enjoy our podcast.
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Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're new home for instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on Youth Talk.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Sex past
one Big show today, Maddie.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I've just seen a really cool z B tradition I
didn't know about, which is the c D Christmas Tree.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I haven't seen CD Christmas tree. Where is this?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
There's a c D Christmas tree like c d's placed
of Christmas albums in the shape of a Christmas tree.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's not a c D Christmas tree.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, that's what I said, c D Christmas Tree. Can
you take these CDs? Is that just I can just
take one for myself.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, it's a c D Christmas tree, not like not
like a seed. It's not like CD that and that
it stinks or it's rubbish. Yeah, like a comveic this, yeah,
Christmas tree it yeah, yeah, no you can't take them.
But what are you talking about? You steal them?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, you know you leave it with c D under
the Christmas tree for me?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, then it would lose its shape of a Christmas tree.
I think Tim Beverige might put it together.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, great tradition, beautiful. Well we're speaking about that.
We might bring it back up a little bit later on.
But Secret Center was another tradition that I just saw
an email about. But we might bring that back up
next week because today after three o'clock we're going to
be talking about experiences versus stuff that he had a
Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, that's right, We're going to talk about yesterday, but
we ran out of time with all our other interesting
stuff to chat about. Came out sales approaching one billion
in New Zealand, profit up over fifty percent. We're deep
into Black Friday and coming up on Christmas. People are
buying a lot of objects and things, but as buying
stuff the way to go, the study show that experiences

(03:43):
last longer and make people happier at the time, and
create memories and bring people together, whereas objects pretty much
fast track to the landfill.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Now I'm not knocking Kmart, but can you get many
experiences from camar I know.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I mean, I guess what's an experience?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I mean, Oh, their camping department's pretty good, is it?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, get some good stuff in the campaign department.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah. Well, I don't know about what experiences you can
buy there. But what I'm talking about is things like,
I don't know, buying someone a trip. My nephew bought
my brother in law a skydive. Yep, you know, things
like that. Trip to rung A Toto Island.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
That was that.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
My ex got me a trip to to the island
last year. Yeah, fantastic, I'll remember that forever. It was
like going to Mars.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yep making memories. That is after three o'clock. After two o'clock,
something you're pretty hot on. In shitification, it's word of
the year from McCorry Dictionary over and Aussie.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah. So platforms, digital platforms like of Facebook, but also
most digital companies will start off first they are good
to their users, so they do everything to get as
many users as they can. Then they abuse their users
when they've got enough users to make things better for
their business customers. And everyone seeing this on Facebook and

(05:06):
it's happening to Google now. Finally they abuse their business
customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then
they die. And that is the cycle of the Internet
right now. It's called in shitification, and so we want
to talk about that. Have you noticed Google, for example,
is under the spotlight at the moment for if you
try and search something, you don't get what you're looking for,

(05:27):
you get what they want to sell you. So if
you put in small wooden stall or small white wooden stool.
They won't give you that, and they'll give you things
close to that. They'll give you and they won't give
you the best one. They will give you what the
people have paid to see. And that Google's getting terrible.
Their search results are so much worse. I watched a

(05:48):
little short documentary on it the other day. Their search
results are so much worse than they were five years
ago because they're in the middle of in stitification. It's
happened to Facebook, it's happened to Uber overseas. So are
you noticing it and what do you think about it?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'd love to know the people that actually click on
those sponsored posts on Google. I never do because quite
clearly that's an ad. If I am searching for something
and then it becomes sponsored, sponsored, sponsored, I just scroll
through that stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, but they choke the reality that they choke what
you're actually looking for, and it just makes the service
so much worse. And as I was saying before, dating apps,
oh my goodness, you know, I'm not on them, but
I've been reading about what they do, and essentially they're
trying to get you to subscribe, and so they're choking

(06:31):
the quality of the service just for people that are
on their normally and then they start choking the service
for the subscribers to try and keep them on there. Yeah,
so's it's the let's say in grapification, will change.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
The word gratifications.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
We might have someone steaming into the studio and telling
us off. I think Hosking's allowed about ten s words
a show. We're out about two.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, that is going to be a good chat after
two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about
road user charges. The government could make decisions on how
to transition our vehicle fleet from fuel taxes to road
user charges as soon as next March, so the date
was included in tender documents uploaded to the government Electronic
Tender Services. But the Ministry is now seeking information from

(07:12):
businesses offering services that support the purchase, measurement and management
of road user charges or rucks. And it's a big
call from the government, I know. Simeon Brown Long floated
the idea of moving most if not all drivers to
a ruck system and get rid of fuel taxes.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
So this means that so you play about seventy cents
in road user taxes per liter of petrol, right, Yeah,
so that would disappear, and you would have to buy
and advance your CA's for road users like you do
if you own a diesel. Yeah, and that would be everyone, yep,
because they've brought it in for EV's recently, they have.
And would it be more expensive for EV's because evs

(07:52):
are heavier? Are they going to work around that or
is it just the same for all light vehicle the
whole light vehicle fleet.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, it's a good question because at the moment, as
I understand it, EV's full EV's pay about the same
as a diesel vehicle. Yes, so they're all on the
even footing there, But if you've got a PHV you
pay half the rate.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, And so I think that this isn't going to
be better for drivers though, This is going to be
more expensive because otherwise the government wouldn't be doing it.
So they're their argument as it's fairer, but save for example, Yeah,
I mean, just trying to get my head around this situation.
Cars are getting way more efficient is basically what's happening here.

(08:30):
And you've also got hybrids, and you driver hybrid, don't you?

Speaker 5 (08:34):
I do.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, So because cars are getting more efficient, they're getting
less tax per laquers. Because people have.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Spent they're not using as much.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Feel so it's going to be better for the coffers
and better for what they can the money they've got
to spend on the infrastructure. But surely it would be
more expensive overall, not necessarily for individuals, but overall it
would be more expensive.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yes, it would be. Yeah, the government may get a
little bit more on their coffers, which might not be
a bad thing considering the infrastructure issues we've got. But
I like it because one thing that they missed out
when they made the transition for evs and hybrids to
the ruck system is that let's call them just general hybrids.
So these are ones that you don't need to plug
in scot free. I don't have to pay anything, so
they get they don't have to pay as much fuel.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bloody great for classic car drivers, Yeah, brilliant, says this
Textra on nine two, niney two. My seventies V eight
uses seventy leaders per three hundred and fifty kilometers. That's
from Alistairs, so that's going to be great for him.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, no more Sunday drive.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
You can get out there if you're running a v
O the way year if you're running a V eight absolutely.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, I'll wait one hundred eighty ten eighty. So there's
no guarantees, but they put it out to the market
at the moment to get people's thoughts on a ruck
system for all. How would you feel about what do
I reckon?

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Nine?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Two ninety two is the text number?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And when are they going to come? After my e by?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
They coming next? It is a fourteen past one beckon
the bow.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
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Speaker 3 (10:08):
Good afternoon at seventeen past one. We're talking about road
user charges for all drivers. The government is looking into
that and they've asked for feedback from businesses offering ruck services.
They potentially may even start deeper discussions by March's next year.
How would you feel about rucks for everybody? A quick
couple of texts here, guys, rucks are ridiculous, so many

(10:30):
cars without we're on a fitnesses and registrations already adding
rucks and those people will just ignore. Easier to pay
a little offen ie fuel tax rather than a lot
occasionally just all freeloaders.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
There might be something in that because I went to
at a radio station that had a station vehicle when
people just failed to pay the diesel their road user
charges and that wasn't found out for five years. So
you can I mean the nest, they're pulling over more
people and look, I don't know, I've been pulled over
three times in the last two weeks for breath testing.

(11:04):
I mean at that point they're also checking your rosies
charge in the white ping people. Yeah, but you're going
to have to put pull people over more and run
people through checkpoints more if you're going to find that
out right.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And I think they're pretty brutal that if you if
you're not up to date with your rucks, the fines
can be pretty significant. If you know, and you've been
stung for not having your rucks up to date, give
us about eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But let's
go to the phones. John, You like the idea.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
Yes, So I think that for user pay system. So
if you don't do very many miles and you can,
you don't pay fuel texts or you're or you're not
paying road use charges. Whereas if you're if you're doing
a high mileage, then you pay for it for using

(11:54):
the road. And the other thing, of course, is well
you're not paying pictual text.

Speaker 8 (11:58):
On your lawmark.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Yeah, yeah, and you're going So there's there's two benefits there.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I mean that that that does seem crazy that you
pay you know, it's seventy cents and the leader to
run your lawnmow and you're running it over your grass
and not over the roads.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Same with the boats, you know or the boat Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So do you drive a diesel at the moment?

Speaker 10 (12:21):
John?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Are you you full petrol?

Speaker 8 (12:23):
No?

Speaker 7 (12:24):
I've got an EV and I've also got a petrol
engine car. So I think it's a Mar's idea.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
And you are okay when the rucks came in for evs.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Yes, yeah, Look, it doesn't add to the.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
Expense of running an EV. I don't know why more
people don't go out and buy EV's. It's far far
cheaper than buying petrol.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, I've been a hundred, one hundred.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
And fifty dollars on petrol a week.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Part of me, part of me, John, And look, I
there'll be a lot of people that disagree with us.
But the general hybrids, the Prius and whatnot that don't
need to be charged up. I was annoyed when they
were brought brought into the ruck system because that's almost
a bit of a free pass for them. In my
opinion is that. Yes, I know that they are not
using solely electric for any period of time. It's battery

(13:13):
and fuel, but I just thought that's a bit measily
that you bring everything else. And but those guys, don't
they get a bit of a free pass.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah, they'll be true. Yeah, probably technology that they haven't
got it worked out yet. Maybe that that's what the
government's at at the point now where they can do
that and you need to do it across the board
for everybody, so everybody pays as on one system instead

(13:42):
of having a hybridsystem where half your legal fleets running,
is it paying petrol tax and half the fleets paying
RUT charges. Everybody pays one of the other.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, John, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I mean someone here says that pay. Someone says that
if your your RUT gets picked up when you do
your warrant, so if you haven't paid, then they'll pin
you then. But I mean as that person said before.
For that you read out that text, people are saying
that those a lot of people are running without a
warrant in a redto Yeah right, well yeah, and just
on there, now there that many people or anything like that.
I mean, I remember when I was a student. I was,

(14:19):
I was, you know those periods when you're running without
a warrant and red ja. Boy, there there were some
good tickets those ones.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Now I racked up some fines here in those days.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It is twenty one past one.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (14:37):
We have the first bit of the COVID inquiry done.
Out going COVID inquiry to here. Tony Blakeley is backwards
the mandates and the comments you've made about the mandates.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Is that a change of mind on your part or not?

Speaker 12 (14:47):
Ah, it's an evolution. I think we've all learned a lot.
What I will say at this point is that mandates
are sort of a top shelf thing. You should only
really be using them when you absolutely have to. And
we've got a lot to say about that. The report
and I think for a lot of us around the
world are learning that those mandates might have gone a
bit too far for a bit too long. It's a
very delicate tal It's a future pandem, which is what

(15:08):
we're really focused on.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Now.

Speaker 12 (15:10):
You can't roll out the need for doing mandatory measures again.

Speaker 11 (15:13):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Bailey's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Twenty four past one.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Got a text here from Tony in the sunny Wire wrapper.
Hey guys, all good if you hire an analog speedo
rather than a If you if you have an analog
speedo rather than a digital one, you can wind it
back no problems at all. Got a bunch of texts
like that. Yeah, I don't had a one moment.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It's a bold move, isn't it. Uh Wage, you've got
fined recently for not having your rucks up to date?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't recently about a year back type
of thing. But I thought it like adding to your
guys topic. So like the cost when it was it
was specifically significantly over like in killing meters, but I'm
not too sure how much. But the desine was like

(16:02):
what whatever it would cost times three. So when when
the year, when the officer was sort of like doing
the paperwork, he goes, oh, look, I'm going to actually
send this out to you in the mail, and I
think because we couldn't add it up properly. So when

(16:23):
I got it in the mail, it was like five.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
Thousand dollars and the.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Yeah, it was a hell of shock, man, it was
hell was shocked.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
So that's so like I just sort of like said, like,
that's ridiculous, you know, blah blah blah. I read into
them and I got like just a blatant sort of
like you know, no type of thing. And so I
just thought, like I continue to like writeing and I

(16:56):
think about the third letter, I said, like, I'll happily
take it to court and let let the judge decide,
just just with my circumstances and everything like like was
sort of just just started. The family and at work
was kind of like a little bit dodgy, and so
I was thinking, like, you know, pleading with them that

(17:17):
the whole idea is for me to get back on
the right side of the you know, the road type
of thing. And surely if I just like get my
get it up to date, you know, we can sort
of like ignore the fine, you know. And and I
think it was about my fourth, fourth or first letter
that they said like, okay, we're not going to take
it any further.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So that was that was.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, you know, I'm just sort of pleading
with the you know, with with the human side of
them type of thing. And yeah, and it was sort of,
you know, just just one of those things that were
you know, you just sort of like, you know, if
you don't do it, you know, it's sort of snowballs,
and and you sort of like, you know, you wonder

(18:08):
that like, you know, five thousand dollars, like, yeah, you
can afford that.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
In the Yeah, yeah, I will thank you. Call Wade.
Some interesting texts coming through here. Lost revenue collection. Tractors, boats, generators, forklifts, diggers,
et cetera. Will not be paying it. If you've got
a tractor and it's not on the road, of course
you're not going to play it. Boats should not be
playing rodeos charges. So that's a lost revenue for the government.
But that seems fair to me. If you're driving a

(18:33):
tractor up and down your farm, why are you paying
road exactly? You're not using the roads. Forkclifts are the same.
If you're driving around your warehouse. Yeah, then why are
you paying road user user charges on that gas? But
it will I mean that revenue will be lost to
the government, won't it.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Well, this is from the flip side, guys. I can't
understand the logic of universal rucks. Why apply are far
more complex and expensive to acquire tax to everyone. The
level of ruck taxation will therefore be correspondingly greater to compensate,
far simpler and therefore cheaper to increase the fuel search,
which is also far more difficult to evade.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, that's something I don't really like about it, because
those have a diesel ut and just the admin, just
a little bit of admin. My life is, there's so
much admin in the modern world. There's so much admind
And so you know, you're paying this tax where the
fuel when you're when you're refueling, there's no ADMIN. You
don't think about it. But if you're going to have

(19:31):
to constantly thinking in advance to get that done, that's
just another thing that we freaking have to do in
our lives.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, you know, well, are we going to clog up
the court system because You're quite right. The amount of
people out there that don't really worry about a WAFF
or a red joe, but they still drive. If they
can't fill up and they can't pay for fuel, they're
not going anywhere. But if there's a ruck system, well
it changes things, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Hey guys, I'm a mechanic and you'll be surprised how
many people have a toggle switch hidden underneath their dashboard
to toggle the dominantor on and off.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, the underworld of New Zealand drivers. Oh eight, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is twenty nine past one.

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Speaker 3 (21:21):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty eight to two,
So we're talking about the ruck system. Should it be
rolled out to all vehicles? The government is looking deeply
at this. They are asking for feedback from businesses offering
services that support purchase measuremental management of road user charges.
To chat about this, we're joined by Martin Glenn. He's
the policy director at AA. Get A.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Martin, what's the AA's view on road user charter charges
on the light vehicle fleet? You think it's a good
or a bad thing?

Speaker 14 (21:52):
Always think it's going to happen. It's just a question
of power level, mainly because when petro tests came in,
generally the average car used similar amount of petrol. And
now we've got bag variation, so it's become increasingly unfair
owners of older and less fuel. Sorry, lest Field Social
vehicles are paying much more for the same bileage. So

(22:13):
does it change?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Sorry? So so Martin, for the average driver, will it
be more than they're paying now?

Speaker 12 (22:21):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (22:23):
Depen, So there'll be worse and leaders more Field Off
new vehicles. The example that if you look us something
that the brand news, so I can probably expect to
pay more for older vehicles and and maybe your average
everygehicles will be about the same.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
So yeah, you really.

Speaker 14 (22:43):
Field Assion vehicles will probably pay lest that they're paying
a lot more now, So you wish there's pretty.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
There in terms of an argument argument against it, Martin,
is it fair to say that adding an extra ADMIN
could be a challenge for some road users? You know,
these are people that might be forgetful or indeed don't
don't get war on a fitness and regail anyway, So
you're just clogging up that system more potentially.

Speaker 14 (23:04):
Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean how kes and iron, their
old right gets checked and that's that's boarding the shop
for people. Think I'll pay their rup when you when
you when you get your water fus cheap. But it's
an extra thing people have to do. And you know,
petrol tax now is really easy. Most people don't know
they pay it at the pump, so it's just it's
just done. So yes, it's an extra task for people

(23:28):
and at the moment their administration costs and purchasing luck
as well, which we'd like to see go or if
that's not possible, if very much come down.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, it seems harsh on the admin useless like me, Hey,
it seems fair because it doesn't hit tractors and boats
and forklifts and such that don't go on the road.
But surely that will end generators. But surely that will
lower tax take for the government to see a question,
So it's so it's not going to hurt tractors or boats,

(23:56):
or forklifts or or lawn mowers, which are probably a small,
small end of the scale generators. Generators, Yeah, I.

Speaker 14 (24:04):
Mean the generally they generally exempt anyway, See anything with
the government's probably likely to click slightly more iciency but
it's there to say, you know, one of the things
we're going to have to facts ready to changes. Its
slightly easier to awards and people text people, dex is

(24:25):
possible to avoid. So yeah, that's going to have to
be fixed to.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So so how do how sorry part of my ignorance,
but how does how do you avoid paying the petrol
tax on a on a tractor for example, or a
fort left?

Speaker 9 (24:40):
Well, the charges.

Speaker 14 (24:43):
If it's petri generally diesel and there exists changes.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, OK, are we going to get into trouble Martin?
Do you think because already with e vs and there's
different types of evs, whether that's plug in, whether that's
h e V, whether that's full e V, that they
pay different rucks. Are we're going to get into that
situation where people pay different rucks than others.

Speaker 14 (25:06):
What what we'd hope as it may qual the system.
So at the moment for roses to charges, if you're
like vehicle that's required to pay it. So that's as
you say, diesel vehicles and evs, and then there's a
there's a single rate for that for petrol hyper electric
vehicles it's about half because the govern's recognizing that those

(25:26):
the equirers obviously purchasing petrol. We're the really team to
see that the equalis because just about every currently yander
is a net bracket of being under three point five tons,
so that they should all be paying the same kind
of per chorometer rate.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
We're talking to Martin Glenn, Policy director at a A.
How easy is it to get around these things? Are
domitan rollbacks and such?

Speaker 14 (25:48):
How much we sh're talking.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
About on.

Speaker 14 (25:51):
Particularly with the older vehicles, mechanics or somebody who you know,
pretty handy. It's it's really been about fiddling with cells.
It's much harder to do that with a new vehicles.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
So pretty yeah, probably good news, yea, and thank you
very much for the expertise. Really good. No way, that
is Martin Glenn, Policy Director at A taking your calls
on this one oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is
it a good idea to transition all vehicles to rucks?
It is twenty three to two.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty
four youth talk said, be it's twenty two.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
We're talking about rucks. What's the situation there, Tyler, what's
going on?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, the government are very keen to introduce a ruck
system for most of us as drivers. At the moment,
it only targets diesel EV's and plug in evs, so
it doesn't need to be rolled out for everybody. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call, George,
What do you reckon?

Speaker 15 (26:57):
Well, I reckon. It's quite interesting because you say, this government,
the previous government before the last election in January, had
announced that they were doing the same thing. So this
is cross. You're not going to be in the opposition
to other government.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, so you say, no matter what we do, how
much we talk about it, it's going to happen.

Speaker 15 (27:15):
Happened.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
The case, George is are you are you one hundred
percent sure on that? Because I know, I know Label,
we're keen. I know Label, we're keen on introducing rucks
the evs and that's fair. That was that was controversial for.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
A long time.

Speaker 15 (27:26):
They were That was part one. Part two was a
totally separate system and that was in the unst on
your radio station in January by the Minister of Transport.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Okay, so it gets cross party support. So that's all good,
but you reckon it might it might make getting a
warrant a fitness more expensive.

Speaker 15 (27:42):
Well, my view is that from what I understand, that
when you go to get your warr and of fitness,
they will look at your ruck charges to make sure
you're up to date. If they're not up to date,
you won't get your warrant until they are. Yeah, So
whatever system is introduced, if you have to go online
and then buy your ruck up to date, then you'll
go back to the workshop and get your warrant. So

(28:04):
there's no point in going to get a warrant if
you haven't got your ruck up to date.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, it's fair point.

Speaker 15 (28:08):
That's the other thing. The third thing is the guy
complaining about his five thousand dollars fine. He knew that
his ruck was out of date and was you know needed.
Not only did he get the fine, but you'd also
have to go and buy the rucks anyway.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, well, I mean his thing was, his thing was
that he couldn't couldn't afford the five thousand dollars, way was,
and so he was more talking about not the point, no, no, no,
no no no, I'm saying that I'm saying, this is
what His point was, not that he shouldn't not that
he shouldn't have paid it, but that he was just
telling about his process of complaining and complaining and planning
until he got off pretty much. So it wasn't what
do you do this?

Speaker 15 (28:42):
What do you do? The same with his vehicle was
slammed for not having registration or were in a fitness Yeah, well,
I mean that's yeah, that is the the the it's
a chance you take one of my rallies. Yeah, you know,
did that came out and find that the meta mate
had given the ticket? We're in a fitness and registration missing.

(29:02):
The other point I wanted to make was with Tyler
yep about the prius. Yeah, he's complaining, oh, not paid
enough for a judge that is paid in the petrol
that he buys to run his car that does not
plug into any other electricity source. The car electrical system
is running off that petrol. What is complaining about is
that car is more efficient than this one.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yes, yeah, but that's what the government's complaining about as well. George,
I'll just car.

Speaker 15 (29:28):
There's no complaint here.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
No, that's why they're bringing They're bringing in the rut tax.
Why they want to bring it in is because cars
are getting more efficient. That's one of the main reasons
in terms of you know, both presses and just general
generally cars. New cars are way more efficient.

Speaker 15 (29:43):
Is that not a good thing? That we have less
carbon and crap going in the air?

Speaker 13 (29:47):
Now?

Speaker 15 (29:48):
We want to text you because you're not running a
Chevrolet V eight with a five D the motor.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'd like a Chevrolet.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Have you got a Prius.

Speaker 15 (29:56):
George, Yes, we have. It's one of the greatest cars
out and they've actually gone way down on the list
of cars being stolen there too, So it's really quite
interesting because they're not doing the round rating anymore. At
a vehicle it is efficient as you want to run it.
We don't forget that. In our particular case, you can
only get up the sixty seven kilometers an hour fought

(30:18):
the laud America switched to petrol, so your trip, your
trip out in the country is always on petrol.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
I was.

Speaker 15 (30:24):
I'll give you a wee story just to finish from
at the Wellington I'm at the Wellington Hospital a couple
of years back and they had to come out of
there and going back to back up north to the
world of I looked at the taxis. I went down
the taxi line and said, you know, how do you
find your prayers? And the guy said, oh, I won't
take you. Was that because I won't take you back

(30:46):
up north up the motorway? I said, why's that? He said,
because we can't run on our trip.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
We can't run on the I didn't want to go
to sixty seven, right, Yeah, so I.

Speaker 15 (30:54):
Don't want to take you because it's going to cost
me around.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Minus Yeah, that's an interesting one. Yeah, George, thank you
very much. The Demios they're still the prime ramraid vehicle,
aren't they. Yeah, they're up there, yeah, Aqua, Yeah, are
they they? I think they and Master Demios. It seems
to be reasoning easy to steal and drive through the
front of a dairy.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Unfortunately, pretty strong bumpers, are they?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Must be hey, I must mention.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I must mention the cricket because I'm very excited about it.
You certainly are New Zealand one hundred and thirteen for
two Ravender Ravishing reck Revender is on twenty nine and
Caine Williamson Steady of the Ship on twenty eight. So
England put us into bat and they'll be ruining that
right now. You've got to say the first session went
to us. Tom Nathan out for forty seven and Devin
Conway out for two. Give them a tasty kiweek.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's going to be a good day, isn't it. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Keen to hear your thoughts
about the ruck system for everybody. It is a quarter
to two.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Matteeth Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty matt ethn Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks V.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
News TALKSB. We're talking about ruck systems for all drivers.
The government seriously considering bringing it and they have opened
up discussions to businesses and.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And Tyler, we're doing a radio show on News Talk CB.
So can you concentrate on the rucks and stop watching
the cricket please?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Oh give me a break mate. You know this is
good time for the Kiwi boys huding fourteen for two. Yeah, Stueie,
what are you reckon about the ruck system?

Speaker 16 (32:23):
Well, listen, I'll start off for saying that George wasn't
it the previous caller? Okay, he was spot on the
old government's going to do what they're going.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
To do anyway.

Speaker 16 (32:32):
But however, I'll speak up on behalf of just Senda's
favorite people, the under three and a half ton newt
And I can't actually open up with saying common sense,
can I? You can't use that anymore? So logically saying
why wouldn't you just increase the diesel to accommodate those

(32:53):
under three and a half ton Then we wouldn't have
to worry about it, because I never had to worry
about it when I was living in an audi. Now
fears fear, though, truckie, they're going to go shit. That's sorry,
it didn't mean to swear, but they're going to go
heal with bells Jesus going to make life a little
bit more expensive. So give them a break, just drop it,
ever so slightly. I mean, it's the bigger vehicles.

Speaker 14 (33:14):
That wreck the roads.

Speaker 16 (33:15):
Certainly we don't know how to build roads properly, but
we're getting there. But I mean, for goodness sakes, the
only ones that are benefit benefiting out of evs is
the power supplies. So you know, yeah, I can see
why they want to have a crack at that. But
from a three and a half ton, and under perspective,

(33:36):
it is a hassle. I'm a sole trader and it
is a pain in the backside.

Speaker 15 (33:41):
But you know, you vigilantly have to do it.

Speaker 16 (33:43):
But wouldn't it just be good just to rock up,
fill up and bugger off.

Speaker 17 (33:48):
You know, IM all for it.

Speaker 16 (33:50):
If it cost me a couple of cents more, I'd
be rought up there. So anyway, that's my view, and
I hope that they do look at that, because it
is a pain in the backside.

Speaker 14 (34:00):
The old coat used the charges that.

Speaker 15 (34:03):
Look, it is what it is.

Speaker 16 (34:04):
I've got nothing against wafts, I've got nothing against.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
Jo It is what it is.

Speaker 16 (34:09):
But jeez, you know, if the old road us the charges, mate,
what a cash care?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
What do they do over nausie? So there's no such
thing as rus and AUSSI.

Speaker 16 (34:19):
No, just go and fill up, bug off your read
Joe is darra In some circumstances like again some of
the here you've got V eight or full so on
the diesel whatever. So those charges vary, but I can't
remember now with regards to the big trucks and so forth.
But you know, look, it's you go to the pump,

(34:42):
you fill up your bugger off. And yeah, if you
pay for it down the track, you pay for it
down the track, so be it. But spend it wisely.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
Guys.

Speaker 16 (34:49):
You know you're getting a lot of money out of
those diesel pumps, and you know we could go on
about that forever and day. But yeah, I don't know
logically speaking, you would do that. That's my view only,
all right, thank.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
You for your course, Jewey. I mean, for me, the
main problem for it is Edmund, because I am bad
at admind. I'm a busy man. I've got a lot
on I've got to do four hours of work a
day on the show. Yeah, I don't have life, man,
I've got test cricket to watch. I don't have time.
I don't have time for paying my roadies and charges

(35:24):
in advance. I'll forget and I'll get pained.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, now that you think about it, when I paid
my rucks, I don't have any clue how much I've
actually paid. So I know I've got my week ticket
in front of me. You're quite right. If I get
pulled over by the cop in five months time and
my rucks aren't up to date, and that's a high possibility,
high possibility, I want how much.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
They factoring in that? How much money extra money they're
going to bring in from people forgetting Yeah, I mean
does that is that is that factored into to you
know the amount that you know the equations. There must
be a percentage that you can work across a population
that are useless at admind like me, that you're going
to get to paint.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
So those fines go back to the roads as well. Yeah,
surefence those bad boys to Laurie. How are you?

Speaker 18 (36:07):
Yeah, I'm good. I've come into this conversation a bit late,
but the globe there was going on that it's hard
to camper with a modern speedos odometer. I think he's
in for a bloody big shot. I've I've got a
simple bought online diagnostic tool and if you get the

(36:28):
right software, which you buy online, you can plug it
into your Ford Ranger and they ain't very common in
this country, and you can actually dial up. You can
dial up what odor metius you want and enter it
and an override the.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Dashboard display right right, change your name, haven't you, Lorry?
I mean this is a bold statement.

Speaker 18 (36:47):
Yeah, because you haven't got a dial or a tumbler
or something to mechanically turn back it's digital to all
you do again to some info and.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Say yeah, but if you get caught lorry and you know,
if they see some anominalies and when you last got
your wife and what your domino was, and they catch
you out, you're kind of bugger, aren't you?

Speaker 13 (37:12):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (37:13):
You probably are. But I don't know. I don't own
a ranger. I've got four classics. So this might work
in my favor if it comes down and your pay
road users for a sunny Sunday car, for instance, it
might work in my favor.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
But yeah, I mean, if you if you're getting poorer,
if you're getting if you're going to pull up poorer mileage,
then surely logically you'll do better out of this.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
But but.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
But but so so with this, this these changing of
the dometer using software or whatever you're importing in is
that can can they tell?

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Is there there?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Can they go in there and see that you've you've
done that if you if you got pinged over and inspected,
if you went through VT and Z, can they tell?

Speaker 18 (37:59):
I wouldn't have a clue to be honest, I mean,
I know I've got who's got a diagnostic a diagnostic
gift like this, and yeah, I think everybody that he
knows willab we come around once a month and wind
it back of it the long as it increases between warrants.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, Laurie, thank you very much. Very interesting, Simon, how
are you?

Speaker 15 (38:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (38:23):
Hi, So I've got quite a different take on it.
I think the road us the chargers should be abolished,
and the petrol tax should be abolished and the tax
put on the tires.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Right.

Speaker 19 (38:35):
People seem to be forgetting that the tires are wearing
and causing a lot of environmental damage as well. And
I think if they put the and you can't hide
worn tires, you might be able to turn back your odometer,
but you can't. Your tires are visible by everyone.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, I was thinking I saw the box. I'm just
trying to get my head around that. So yeah, because
when you go to your warrant a fitness and if
your tires are rooted for one of a bitter word,
then you have to replace the tires. So then your
tireplace gets a big text on there. Yeah, I mean, jeez,
tires are so expensive here they are.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Well, the only offishal I can see in that, Simon,
is I like to try and get as much out
of my tires as I can. And you know, if
I take it to the warrant and they say, well,
you're two millimeters under what we should take off, I'll
try and argue the point and say, well, come on,
you know I can get a few months more out
of those.

Speaker 19 (39:31):
Yes, but yeah, maybe the police might think otherwise if
they see you driving on the road with worn tires.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know what Warre in
a fitness place, dodgy place you're going to where you
get to negotiate.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
But he's a good man.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Been to too many Warren places that I've got to
negotiate for a while.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah. Interesting, Simon, thank you very much. Right, good discussion.
I think that's where we'll leave it because we've got
a new topic on after two o'clock mets.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, that's right. We're going to talk about the subject
of ertification of the Internet, that dead net theory and
how things are getting worse and worse and worse.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, and before we get to the headlines, what's happening
in the cricket one.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Hundred and nineteen for two A ravishing revenger On thirty
three steady the ship Willington on twenty eight. We're looking good,
although came Willison just got smashed right in the snares
or the delivery. But he looks all right.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
He's a beautiful man, came Willimpson's a strong beard.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Strong beard.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
He's got a very strong beard.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Game.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, oh we eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the numberical news, sport and weather on its way.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler, very very good afternoons.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
You talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty
twenty four News Talk, said.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Bell afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Seven past two,
and our next topic is gonna be a doozy. It
was word of the year.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
In certification. Before we go to that, I want to
talk about the cricket. One hundred and twenty two for two.
Came Lesson just smashing of the four. He's thirty four
from eighty ravishing. Rickravender is on thirty four. So yeah,
one hundred and twenty six for two. England won the
toss and put us in. So boy oh boy, that
is a pretty good start for New Zealand. You don't

(41:38):
want to put a side into bat and have them
go well, that's very demoralizing. So come on, it.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Looks like beautiful conditions down there in the garden city.
Hagley Oval, beautiful oval. We'll keep you up to date
with the cricket as the afternoon progresses. But yes, and
shitification word of the year according to Macquarie Dictionary. And
a lot of people have been chatting about this in
the last couple of days. Man, yeah, they certainly have.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
And look we're going to we might start calling it
in grapification, so should we? Should we mix it up?
Because you know, there's some of our listeners. We've got
a huge listenership, but that the radio survey just said,
and some of them might feel a little bit challenged
that much usage of the the S word.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
We've used up our teally of that particular word. So
it's huge in crapification and.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Crapification, although in certification is better anyway. So this is
how it works. This is how platforms die. Digital platforms die.
You know, your facebooks, your Googles, your your dating apps,
even Netflix, all these silicon value startups that come through
and become big and take over the world. So first

(42:43):
they are good to their users, then they abuse the
users to make things better for the business customers. We've
all seen this with Facebook. Finally they abuse those business
customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then
they die. It's called in crapification, and it is a
seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease
of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the
nature of a two sided market where a platform sits

(43:05):
between buyers and sellers and they hold each other. Hoss
are raking up ever ever larger share of the valley
that places between them. So if you think of Amazon,
for example, that's a class example. You know, they ran
a loss for a very long time to bring users in.
As soon as they're successful, they prioritize the marketplace, they
take money off there, and then they eventually take the

(43:27):
money for the shareholders, and it gets worse and worse
and worse. Look at Facebook. Facebook was all about getting
people on Facebook, and then they got addicted to Facebook,
and then they also got addicted to sharing pictures with
their family and knowing what's going on. So they were
on Facebook, and then they started just absolutely pumping you
full of ads and from and so basically became more

(43:50):
to the side of the business and to the and
for the businesses, what they used to share didn't didn't
get as much, you know, was throttled, and you paid
to boost what you're putting out there. So Facebook is
on the way down?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Do you think we're at peak and crepit? For k Now,
it does feel like that when I look at Facebook,
and you mentioned that when it first started up, I
loved it, and I loved it for a long time
and I'm still on Facebook, but I think now it
has reached peak crapness. Well, just the amount of ads
on being fed.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Well, the concept of it is that all of these
businesses by their very nature will go that way because
of the process of trying to get as many people
involved as you can, so you seem like you're getting
a free, free product. It seems amazing. So they have
to make it incredibly good for you to get on,
to get their numbers up, subscribe numbers up or or
whatever it is, and then they have to make money

(44:45):
off you, So then they make the service much worse
for you in favor of the businesses to make money.
And then they make it worse for the businesses and
the people to make money for their shareholders. And then
it's just the process for all these things. You can
see it. Dating apps are a classic one that people
talking about now. They need to get as many users
on there, so there's many faces, so people could swipe
and swipe away and in the hope some love or

(45:09):
some action, swipe and swipe away. And then they need
to make money, so they try and get you to subscribe,
to pay more money, to pay money to be part
of the service, and then they throttle the normal service
just for the subscribers, and then they start throtting the
subscriber service once people are in there, and then the
whole thing is it's rubbish. And on dating apps there's

(45:30):
the other skewed incentive to keep people on there therefore
not do what they're supposed to do, because they want
you on there as a subscriber as long as you can,
so they are actually incentivized for you not to find
a partner on the apps now. So the apps, the
dating apps now are far far worse than they were
when they started.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, Netflix, you could argue would be another one that
they won, the streaming wars or certainly have done very
well out of it, got a lot of users to
their base, and got some sort of quasi monopoly on that.
Now they're starting to raise the prices they bring in
inn ads ads on a streaming service.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, well, I mean with the ads, what happens is,
you know there's the ad the user. You know, you
pay ads, you get ads and you pay less, but
then then there's the there's the pause ads that you
get on things now, so so you know the service
does does get worse over time. But oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty have you noticed this, and particularly
have you noticed this on Google? Because I would like

(46:27):
to hear people's thoughts on what's been happening with Google lately. Yeah,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
is the text number.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
It is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Your new home of Afternoon talkthen Tyler Adams afternoon call.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be
good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
It is a quarter past two.

Speaker 9 (46:46):
No no no no, no no no no no.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Russian Revender is out New Zealand one hundred and thirty
one for three Mitchell on one Williamson on thirty eight. Boy,
we were looking really good. So Revendra has been caught
out one hundred and thirty one for three. That's not
so good.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
It's a big loss for the black Cats, but Williamson
is looking pretty good.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Be careful, be care for.

Speaker 10 (47:17):
What you say.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, so we're talking about in certification. That's the digital platforms.
Online platforms apps tend to get worse over time. First
they're good to the users, then they abuse the users
to make things better for business customers. Finally they abuse
those business customers to crawl back all the value themselves.
So have you noticed this? Have you noticed it on
Facebook at getting worse? Have you noticed Google getting worse?

(47:39):
Have you noticed the apps getting worse? People are complaining
about Airbnb.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, that's the one that I've noticed. So it was
when it first came to New Zealand and the world
for that matter. It was a disruptor and you could
get a really good deal when there were all these
new places that opened up in fantastic little hideaways. But
now that it's kind of established itself, they are charging
nightly rates that are exceeding those of existing hotels. So
you've got to pay the cleaning fee then you're going

(48:04):
to pay the tax. Then sometimes these added fees chucked
on there that I can't quite understand. So now I
still love Airbnb, but quite often if I'm looking at
a holiday, then I equal that up to what the
hotel is charging and think I'm going to go hotel
now because I don't have to play a cleaning fee.
The cleaner comes in and sorts out my horrible mess
in the hotel room, and I don't get punished by

(48:25):
the Airbnb host saying you're a pig. And all these
just added fees. But that's the point, isn't it. That
they establish market dominance and then they start jacking up
the price.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, I got a Airbnb a while ago because I
just found it a little bit too stressful. You go there,
there's a set of rules in the house. You're going
into someone's place, whereas if you stay in a motel
or a hotel, you know the rules, they have the
same rules everywhere.

Speaker 15 (48:51):
You just go in.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Then it's something peaceful about it. You don't have to
clean up. And maybe Airbnb forced the hotel prices down.
I know in the United States, hotels pivoted and they
started having you know, putting more rooms that had kitchens
in them and more of that kind of apartment style,
you know, option in a hotel. So you kind of

(49:13):
got that thing because some people don't want to have
to go to a hotel eating restaurants. They want to
cook and stuff for their family. But yeah, I mean
I just went to too many. It's too much of
a roll of the dice to go to a mbnb
for me.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, if you run an Airbnb, are you getting frustrated
with these added charges that the platform is adding on
for you? And I looked at a few airbnbs over
summer up in Northland, and the nightly rate when you
look on the platform as you're going through, looks all right,
say one hundred and ninety eight per ninth them, Oh
that looks good. Yeah, So then I book it for
three nights and all of a sudden it's over a
thousand bucks. So they hang on a minute, how did

(49:46):
that happen? Yeah, So if you've got an Airbnb, that
must be frustrating for you as a host to have
those extra fees added on and you've got to justify
that to the client.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah. Yeah, No, I've just kind of completely off Airbnb.
It just puts me off the whole idea of a
holiday like that. There's an add of stress that I'm
not into. Talking about Google, that's another one. So if
you search something in Google now, then you will just
get If you're looking for a product on Google, you
just get four hundred examples. And I've talked about this before.

(50:20):
I will never buy anything from Tu. So and the
reason why this happens is because these platforms are a
free service. But what you realize of the time that
you become the product that they sell to other people.
So you think you're getting a free service on Google,
and look, we're googling all the time, but if you're
googling a product, that's when you become that. You become

(50:42):
the product for Temu. And so whatever you're looking for,
they will not give you what you're actually looking for.
What they'll give you is what tu sells.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yep, absolutely, Sharon. You're an Airbnb host. Yes, that's correct,
So we're nice to chat with you, so would you
agree that And this is internationally not just a New Zealand,
but Airbnb as a platform have started to introduce fees
that they traditionally didn't have, and that is frustrating for
some customers.

Speaker 20 (51:11):
Yeah, I actually, to be honest with you, I used
to be an Airbnb host. Now I pull myself off
the site and I do direct bookings. But yeah, Airbnb
is getting a little bit of a best station in
life as far as some hosts. The concern because they're
putting all these charges on it that you know, and
one of the charges that we have to pay is
that GST under sixty thousand dollars that we earn. Yuba

(51:33):
drivers do and ex give me all these fees that
we've been loved with, and it is frustrating because a
lot of them that we haven't imposed. So a lot
of hosts actually don't charge cleaning fees any longer because
you know, that was an outrage about that and fair enough,
so you know, some people just build it into their

(51:53):
nightly price. But yeah, it's just it's getting a difficult
thing to platform to be on because you've got all
these things taxes, GST, cleaning seas.

Speaker 14 (52:06):
And it really raps the nightly rate up.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah, and as a host, I suppose there's there's not
much you can do. Share and when Airbnb is a
digital platform, introduces a new fee or a new rule
and you don't like that, you go back to complain
to them. You're pretty much just shouting at air aren't you.
At that point I imagine it's very hard to get
a hold of anybody.

Speaker 20 (52:27):
Yeah, well, you know, we do have host club type
things where it gets discussed and certain people can put
that issue to AIRBND, But because there's such a broad
and a big corporation organization, they don't really take any
notice of it. I mean, strictly speaking, they're just a
book booking platform. They don't own our properties, although you

(52:48):
think there would the way they demand. But you know,
it does get very frustrating because you don't necessarily have
a voice as such. Individually host clubs or associations you
could possibly which you know troubles too, but even then
they really don't do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
And it goes back just just going back to the
origin of this topic, share and in crapification, let's call it.
I mean, do you do think there is some element
there when you look at the likes of Airbnb and
some of those other digital platforms that it started off
with with so much hope and promise that it's going
to be a better deal for the small guy. Then
slowly but surely, they're turning it into a product that

(53:33):
is anti consumer.

Speaker 17 (53:35):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 20 (53:36):
I've been a host for fifteen years. I've been hosted
two thousand and nine, and it's not the business that
used to be. It was wonderful, it was great. You know,
you just got people booking and then it was all
wonderful and you didn't have all these extra things, all
this things forced upon you that they now try and do.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
And it was just so easy.

Speaker 20 (53:56):
But now they seem to complicate it when they doesn't
need to be complicated.

Speaker 15 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I guess the thing with these big companies, right is
they start off and they run huge losses for it.
For the longest time, Amazon was one and on all
these all these companies do. They run huge losses and
that's how they get people on board. And so Airbnb
works for a while while the company is losing money.
But as soon as they try and you know, and
and and they're taking business off hotels that obviously lose

(54:23):
a lot of money because you know, they cost a
lot of money to run. They got out their buildings,
are going to have everything, they got, employe people, all
that kind of stuff. But then these companies realize that
at some point they can't keep losing money, they have
to make make money. And as soon as they start
doing that, then they come in line with the actual
old businesses that were there, and then they become generally
become worse than the businesses that they were there before.

Speaker 20 (54:46):
Yeah, well that's true. I mean you say about taking
business off hotels, that's only airbnbs that are in central cities. Yeah,
like my abb there's no there's no hotel for fifty kilometers, so.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Business, Well, what about book have you?

Speaker 13 (55:00):
Have?

Speaker 12 (55:01):
You?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Have you done? Booker batch and other things like that.

Speaker 20 (55:04):
Are used to but no, once they got brought out
by that are the I can't meany their name. Now
they got brought out by an overseas company that just
went down to when they were in a New Zealand company,
they were fantastic.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah right, but not any longer. And that's another that's
another part of it as well, sharing is that these
aren't New Zealand companies, so all the money's going offshore.
And as you say, and as you say, it's completely impersonal.
You don't have any you can't ring anyone, you can't
talk about anything, you can't debate anything with them. It's
just it's just is what it is.

Speaker 16 (55:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (55:35):
Well sometimes you don't they don't even pay you. That's
just a nightmare when you're just a small business trying
to earn a small limit.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
So when you sorry to jump in there, Sharon, when
you said before that you're you used to be an
Airbnb host, I take it that you've still got a
property that you rent out what you just do it
on by yourself, or you're using a new platform now.

Speaker 20 (55:56):
Yeah, I'm now a member of the New Zealand Bed
and Breakfast Association. I also have my own Instagram page,
Facebook page, got sign at the end of the road
and we just take direct bookings. It's just a lot
less half the because I can't be bothered. I mean
now on days you get a lot of entitled people,
particularly through Airbnb, and they just they just ruined you

(56:17):
them actually ruin your business.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
Yeah, through petty.

Speaker 20 (56:20):
Things, and a lot of people are very petty and
they you know, and then you're trying to strive to
be super hosts. I don't know why, because it's a
complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned, you know,
And the little thing can bump you down off the
list of being a super host, and you know it's
just people tied up and not just to get the
good reviews. I mean it's just awful.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, Sharon, thank you very much. That is in certification
right there in a nutshell. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from you on this
if you are an Airbnb host or indeed Uber drivers.
You know, Uber is another platform that has been argued
as in crapification that when they brought in surge pricing
and again they came into a city, they didn't abide

(57:04):
by the local legislation and the by laws. They put
a lot of pressure on traditional taxi companies. Then they
jacked up the price.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
And coming up next, we've got someone here that's putting
the boot into those dirty bastards at Instagram Zuckerberg.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
It is twenty five past two.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
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ten eighty on News Talk.

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Speaker 2 (57:33):
Ad one hundred and forty six for three Mitchell's on three,
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they abuse their business customers to crawl back all the

(57:53):
value for themselves. We've just been talking a lot about
Airbnb and how it has become entrapified Instagram. Here, good afternoon, guys.
I have a nitwear business, sisters that knit dot com.
I'll check that out. Sounds nice on Instagram. And to
boost a post now you have to have pre paid
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(58:17):
each time you boost. It's simply not cost effective anymore.
That's the thing. So they have a service and then
they charge for it, and then they throttle that service
that they're now charging for and you can't not use
the service, and the service gets worse and worse, and
they milk you more and more. Once they've got all
the users on there, they've got everyone there, and then
they use you. You become the product.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
It's dirty, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
And then it flips over and then they start screwing
the businesses that are spending money on there, Like the
good people at sisters that knit dot com.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, and if you complain about it, Instagram does not care. Carolyn.
You used to have an Airbnb, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 21 (58:53):
We live in a beautiful place in the world called
Maunga Fi Heads. Of course, there's a lovely we spot
up here actually, which is down by the beach, and
a lot of a lot of the locals do the
l Airbnb thing. I give you a bit more in common,
but some paces, but it's just got to a bit
of a joke. We used to have the speciality of
actually having a one night's stay. So you'd have somebody

(59:16):
arrive at say like ten past three, because checking the
three o'clock, and they're gone by the next morning at eleven,
And then you'd pretty much pick it up.

Speaker 14 (59:23):
And turn it over.

Speaker 21 (59:24):
Do three lots of sheets, do the bathroom sterilize the bathroom,
clean the floors, clean out the throat, do the microwave,
clean the barbecue, et cetera, et cetera. And I could
I could pretty much put it off in about two
hours and twenty minutes if I was pretty much on
my game with a couple of these and a coffee,
and if somebody paid for that night, and say because
we have a queen's eyzed bed with a small catching

(59:46):
net and also two single beds and a separate room,
private lockoff, private entry, private bathroom. If we would get
say two hundred and twenty dollars a night for that,
we'd end up for one night's stay, pulling into our
account one hundred and forty two to fifty. Now that's
a lot of work for one hundred and forty two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Fifty yeh care. So how much do EBMB get out
of that?

Speaker 21 (01:00:08):
Well, obviously there the person who's staying is obviously paying
at their end, and we're obviously playing at our end.
So somewhere in the middle there's about sixty eight dollars,
which is because obviously the other guy's pay as well,
there's about seventy dollars overhead across the board that basically
gets lost between the two parties.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
So the only one to here is Airbnb. Both the
customer and you are getting shafted here.

Speaker 21 (01:00:34):
So we're getting shafted as well as that because they're
obviously now brought in the GST thing, which is fine.
So then what you've also got to do on top
of that is obviously there's again you've then got to
do your GST text at the end of every three months,
and you've got your text returns to do and all
the rest of it. So by the time that you
find find an accountant that you want to do it
properly and you've got to pay your accountant might say
three K year, it's not it doesn't work out worthwhile.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I mean that's a lot of stress and a
lot of work to not make very much money.

Speaker 15 (01:01:03):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 21 (01:01:04):
And you know, if you look on the site, and
we were basically pricing it ourselves like everybody else was
as well, you know, so we're all trying to make
a dollar. We're all trying to support each other. We
had friends that actually had the look, we're full for
that night, but we can put you onto these guys
or whatever. And there was all that sort of other stuff.
But I mean, again, you know, like between the washing
and of course up here and Munga five, like no

(01:01:26):
one's on everyone's on tank water, so your water is
your gold. So you'd have to do like maybe like two,
maybe like three loads of washing to cover your queen
size sheets, your pillar cases, your two single beds, your
two pile outs, all that sort of other stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Well, thank you so much for your call, Caroline. Yeah,
it doesn't sound good it to me at all. Yeah,
I'd have actually pulled out at the two and a
half hours cleaning to start with. Hey guys, this came
through on nine two, nine and two, just to clarify
around when we were at the text I read out before.
Hey guys, please let your listeners know because it has
caught me out quite a few times as well. The

(01:01:59):
Instagram fee charge for ads now is an Apple fee,
and if you use Instagram dot com instead of the app,
you don't pay it. That's I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Well that's a good work around, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Thanks for the public service announcement, Robert.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from
you on the incrapification of digital platforms, whether that's Airbnb
and we're getting a lot of hosts coming through who
used to be Airbnb hosts and no longer. But also
we want to talk about dating apps ender. What else
is out Bambo? Well, I mean that has turned, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
There's another one grinder out there as well, certainly is
and there's another one that I'm thinking hinge hinge.

Speaker 12 (01:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So what they do is they get you on there
looking for love or whatever else you're into, and then
they make you subscribe to get the full service, and
then they choke the rest of the service, and then
they choke the subscribing. That's how they do it. And
then they are incentivized to keep you not finding love,
to keep money money.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about the decline
of digital platforms. Is a word for it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, block your ears if you don't like dirty words.
It's in shitification.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Sums it up though, didn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
First, digital platforms are good to the users. Then they
abuse their users to make things better for their business customers.
Finally they abuse their business cousins. Call things back. We've
been talking a lot about Airbnb, both sides of it.
People booking AIRBB and bb and Airbnb not liking the
extra charges, and people running Airbnb's not liking the admin
in the way things going. But I also want to

(01:04:53):
talk about dating apps, because that's definitely happening there. Hi, boys,
I met my missus of three years on Hinge. Back
when I was on the app, there was no ads
at all, but recently saw my mate's Tinder full of ads,
which came as a huge surprise. Best blessed, blessed cheer boys,
thanks for your text and congratulation on finding finding it
and this good work.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah, it's a big thing, though, isn't it. I mean
Tinder now is paid to play, same with whom, same
with bumble. If you don't pay them money, you are
not going to get legitimate matches.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
It's you're gonna get choked. Yeah yeah, yeah, what about
the old I reckon get rid of the apps altogether.
I think that's a terrible way to find love. Someone
might someone and and look that's not how I've used it,
so maybe I'm wrong, But it just seems everyone I
talked to on there, it's just an.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Absolute hellhole dumpsterify.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's a dumpsterify of misery, you know. And I've talked
to bar owners who say that because of the dating apps,
people don't talk to each other anymore. They just go out.
They're flicking their apps. They're going out, people going individual dates,
but they tried and true proper key we weigh to
meet someone, yeah, is to have a little bit of
a chat when they're buying a drink and say hello,

(01:06:01):
are you what are you up to and just starting
a conversation. And then friend groups come together and you
meet people that way. That if it wasn't for the apps,
then that would still be going on because so many people,
I mean so many people have met each other. We've
all got on mom and dad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, system, the system used to work, David. Now you're
an Airbnb host currently, yes I am.

Speaker 15 (01:06:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Is it still working for you?

Speaker 15 (01:06:28):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 17 (01:06:29):
I just losed about people ringing up about the GST content.
WELLBMB didn't actually introduce that. That was introduced for Uber
and AIRB and B type apps by the Labor government
and then the national government rolled it in, so it
wasn't actually YARBMB there. I've only been the host for

(01:06:51):
two years, but their chargers will remained pretty much the
same since we've been holed anyway, And so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
It's working out for you. You're you're you're making money
and it's not too much for a hassle.

Speaker 17 (01:07:02):
Absolutely, Well, it depends what you mean, not too much
of a hassle. No, we have a We charge two
fifty four cleaning feet. But we sleep ten people at
our place, so when they go they at it as
a big job to turn all the beds and bits
and pieces over. But we just go down the Lord
of Net and chuck it near thirty or forty bucks
and that's done. You can whistle through the house in

(01:07:24):
three or four hours and have it tidied up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So, David, is it a place that you are in
sometimes and you airbnb when you're not there or is
it just exclusively airbnb?

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:07:37):
No, we live in it, wife and I and then
if we get boxings, we just move out, leave the
whole house, so the whole house becomes vacant for the
people that want to shift them. You know, if it's
if it's a crowd of eight or ten people, then
you know, the rates pretty comparable to hotels or motel rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Is it a lot though, because you have to sort
of put away a bunch of personal effects and stuff
and lock things up. Is that is that worth it
for you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:08:04):
Well, we because there's only two of us at home.
We we two years ago. We just put all our
stuff away, all our personal stuff and put it in
the garage. So we just locked the shed up and
the guests have the house, so we don't. All we
do is living out of a suitcase and just traveling
around when people we go to the lake or go

(01:08:25):
somewhere for a weekend. It's quite good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
YEA nice on you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
So the amount that you or gets charged to the customer,
the people that use your house as an Airbnb, and
you know how much the platform is charging. Does that
hurt you a little bit, David, when you see how
much goes into your bank account versus how much they've
paid and how much goes to Airbnb.

Speaker 17 (01:08:44):
Yeah, there's about from memory, about two fifty a night
that that we don't get and that's that's that's a
GST content which an actual factors for guests pay fifteen
percent and we retain eight percent of Look we get
it back from the AIRBMB. I think so, but yeah,

(01:09:07):
there is and they I think the commissions about just
being decent with Feer Garden. They are providing the platform
for people to book on. So you said it all up,
you don't have to do anything, just tick a box.
And they also provide insurance for your house, for your property,
so if someone comes in and trashes it, I'll fix it,
So you know it. I'n't any change that, you know,

(01:09:28):
you never see. The guests are still booking, I guess,
so they must be happy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Interesting, Well, thank you so much for insights, David. So
that's a positive Airbnb story. Yeah, I've had a whole
lot of negative ones. So he doesn't believe in the
certification theory on the Airbnb yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And we also were talking about dating apps. Plenty of
teachts coming through on nine to nine two Get a guys.
I split up with my long term partner a couple
of years ago, and boy, oh boy, dating apps are
the worst. I barely get any matches, and when I
do get a match, quite often it is a bot
or not a real person. Yes, bring back the old

(01:10:06):
days of talking to each other in bars, but even
that is difficult now with the new generation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah. Well, I think because the apps came in so
that what they do is they disrupt the market. So
they disrupted the dating market by making it more convenient
and removing the friction of having to talk to people
directly they get in there, and then once everyone's on there,
and they've changed everything, and the social norms of going
up and talking to people are gone, and people lose
the skills and doing that because they don't have to

(01:10:32):
do it. Once that happens and everyone's addicted to the platform,
then they start commodifying it, and they start charging for you,
and they start choking the supply because they're incentivized to
not have you find love out there, and so society destroyed,
everyone being used as a product. Absolute disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yeah, if you're on the dating app, love to hear
your experiences lately. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
whether that's Tinder, Hinge, bumble grind at ninety two nine
to two. Excuse me? Is the text number?

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Seventeenth and nine two nine two. Is also a dating app?
You know, we'll we'll hook you up with people as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Yeah, that's what we do here on the Afternoon's back
It's done.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
New take on Talkbag Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons have
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Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Well, just been looking at some beautiful shots of the
Avon on the cricket coverage, boy boy, some punting going
on there. So New Zealand one hundred and fifty three
for three. Cain Williamson just got his thirty sixth fifty,
he's on fifty four one hundred and ten and Mitchell
is on six off fourteen. So yeah, one hundred and

(01:11:39):
fifty three for three looking pretty good at this point.
I'll be reasonably happy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
With that, certainly will be. And we have been chatting
about in shittification, in crapification. We've said that quite a
few times.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Yeah, I'm not sure what our quota of the S
word is on the show. I'm just new the New Stalks.
He'd b keep us on us on that nine two
nine two if you want to hear more or less
of the S word and crapification. That's as digital platforms
get worse over time. You become the product. First, you're
off at a great service, and you come of the
product and some.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Great texts coming through about the dating apps which are
part of this and crapification situation. Yetday guys, I know
you may not be a fan of dating apps, but
I'm a wedding photographer and nine out of ten wedding
Zi photograph are of couples who have met their partner
either on Tinder or Hinge and have been very much
in love for years. So it does work for many
from Whisley.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But that could also be the bias
that you get. I mean, what's that story where you know,
where do you put the armor on a plane? You
know where the plane's been shot up or where or
where they plan well the plane? You know the story,
the plane comes back. And the reason why you don't
have any ones that have been shot in different places
is because those ones went down. Yes, yeah, yeah, So

(01:12:50):
maybe the reason why nine out of ten of your
weddings are based on apps is because the apps have
so changed the landscape of dating and not for a
good thing, that that's the only way people can meet anymore,
because people have lost the skills or don't develop the
skills to meet people exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
And we've also been talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Some time nineteen nine two. What's the name for the
thing I'm trying to talk about the plane example, It's
called something confirmation by us. I think it is someone
will be nineteen nine to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Two, Warren, you own an airbnb. We have been talking
about Airbnb is one of those platforms that some think
are degrading.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
What's your view on it, Well, it's originally positive. I've
got two places. One of them was a two bedroom
home in it. Now we struggled actually to rent that
against people who are just renting out a bedroom, so
we've now gone back to just putting it on the
general market. But it worked okay while we did it.

(01:13:41):
Now that what the people are saying about the cleaning
additional fee, well, my understanding is you can't do that now,
and they may They said it in notice and the
last time I looked, there was nowhere that you put
your cleaning fee in, so I think some people might
be working on out of date information. So I know
in America you must advertise what is your actual rates

(01:14:06):
for the whole seven days that you're going to book,
and that includes the GSP and it does not include
necessarily a booking fee. So I think the booking fee
can come on later. But I'm not one hundred cents
certain about that. But my understanding is that we can't.
We used to charge the linen fee. I mean people
left the place spotlessly clean. Was just a little one

(01:14:29):
bedroom cottage, but out at a beach place and we
have the actual main house that we stay on holiday.
And you know, we've had a great run over the
last couple of years and and people are always left
it nice and clean in it. But we used to
like to have a linen fee because there is a
bit of work in them, you know, doing three bed
three double beds, a lot of linen and the towels

(01:14:51):
that people using all that. So, but I would actually
check to make sure what people are saying about ABB
and B is the current thing with the regards to GST.
That was something the previous government brought in because it
made it un you're on hotels that you could rent
a place right next to the hotel and not charge GST.

(01:15:13):
So it's really with your believer in that fair enough. Yeah,
And that was an acted in about April of this
year because I wanted how our price had suddenly jumped up.
I had a nice round figure and it did take
me a while to realize what had actually happened. They
weren't very good when I tried to get out of him,

(01:15:33):
why I'm not getting the full GST back. The guy
who I think was talking from America doesn't seem to
understand the text situation, but I said, well, we've got
time to sort that out for the financial year next year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
So yes, But just on the cleaning fee, Warren, are
you saying that it's it's not mandatory anymore, that it's voluntary,
because a couple of tacks are coming through on that.
And I just looked at Airbnb and the first one
that I pulled up does have a cleaning fee on it.

Speaker 12 (01:16:02):
Is it right?

Speaker 8 (01:16:02):
Okay? Yeah? Well I wasn't a hundred percent certain, but
we had we had to remove it off our site,
and I thought it was an instruction from them. And
recently I looked to see if we're going to add
must have that I was looking for a laundry fee,
I must admit that, but I didn't. I don't like

(01:16:24):
the idea of a cleaning fee because people just leave
the place in the mess and walk out. And most
people on a holiday home it's slightly different to overnight accommodation.
Stay in a city, you can leave the beds are
made and dishes what not done. But when you go
and stay in someone's beach cottage, most people like to
leave it themselves. They like to leave it nice and

(01:16:44):
tidy and cooling, and so we didn't like calling it
a cleaning fee because we just thought that we're just
encourage people to to not clean up at all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I don't understand why they wouldn't just
bed that into the price war And I suppose that's
what I have against the Airbnb now that it used
to be embedded into the price per night. And now
again just this example that I've opened up, and I'm
not going to name what it is, but it's nine
hundred bucks at night. It's quite a nice place. But
then they've got the cleaning fee, then they've got the
Airbnb service fee, then they've got the taxes, then they've

(01:17:15):
got the laundry fee. So that's the problem I have.
And I get that's not a win for you as
a host, that's not a win for a customer, but
that's a win for Airbnb m O.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
The other disadvantage of trying to build into your cost
is that if a person spends seven nights at your place,
they get one linen fee or one cleaning fee, and
then to build it into a one night because often
if the person looks at it's costing us one hundred
dollars for the cleaning fee. We mustle back, should stay
Friday and Saturday. I think that's what some people would think. Yeah,

(01:17:48):
and just to build it in it's a little bit
more difficult thing than that. You've got to somehow assess
how how what number of days people would do, and
then of course you'd have it too high. You'll put
the person Offho's booking seven nights or ten nights exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, Well, thank you if you call Warren. And what
I was looking for. The word was survivor bias. And
in case you don't know whether that is, I'll explain
what that is next.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Yep, it is seven to three, the issues that affect
you and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons You for twenty twenty
four news Talk said be it's four to one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
So I was talking about the concept of the survivorship
bias around a photographer who said that everyone that came
in was had found each other on the apps, so
survive bas as a logical area of concentrating on entities
that passed the selection process while overlooking those that did not.
It came about when they were asking where they put
armor on planes in World War II. Do you put
it on whether bullet holes are or where they weren't.

(01:18:48):
Because the ones where the bullet holes weren't, those people
have been hitting the engines, so they had crashed and died,
so you never saw the plane again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
So you could armor up the planes, but you could
be shot and the you could armor at the winds,
but you'd be shot in the wings, you made at home,
shot in the engine, you were done. So that survivor
survivorship bias very apt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Well, that was a good discussion, and I think a
lot of people are agreeing that the decrapification of these
digital platforms is a big thing now more than ever.
Right after three o'clock, experiences versus stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, that's right. It's coming up to Black Friday and
Christmas is coming up, so you're gonna buy objects or experiences?
Are one hundred and eighteen eighty ninety two, ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
It is three to three New Sport and weather on
its way. You're listening to matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams Afternoons on News talk Sevy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Good afternoons seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
I'll tell you what christ it's looking beautiful Hagley Oval
Water picture one hundred and sixty six for three New
Zealand's Mitchell on nine and Williamson another fifty for him
sixty two of one hundred and thirty three Williams. So
you got to say pretty good. Stokes is bowling at
the moment, of course, been Stokes originally from christ Church
before it became an English superstar.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
It's got some good sleeves on them, doesn't he. Stokes,
You've got some sweet tests.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Stokes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
He's a bad boy, that's for sure. Right time to
chat about experience versus stuff. Black Friday sales are everywhere
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yeah, that's right, coming up to Christmas. And look we
were talking before about Kmart, whose sales are approaching a
billion dollars a year in New Zealand in pretty challenging times.
So people are buying a lot of a lot of objects.
But the question is when you're buying things for Christmas, right,
or for presents or for whatever in your life. Studies

(01:20:45):
show that experiences last longer that should you buy experiences
or stuff? Does stuff just end up on landfills's stuff
just filling your house. And and you know, as the
saying goes, the Buddhist concept that your positions own you,
you don't own them. And you know that the cost
of having to look after things, do things, throw them out,

(01:21:08):
fine places for them, very wise. And I'll just take
this opportunity to read from this book here. The number
one bestsella are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the
Life You've Got by A mad Heath.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
I've seen that in the bookstore actually Brave reviews.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, so just to read there. Read from there. A
twenty twenty paper called spending on doing promotes more moment
to moment happiness than spending on having outlined research conducted
by a team led by A Mit Kamer. They split
two two thousand and three and thirty five adults into
two groups. One group was the material group and the
other experimental experiential group. The material group got bought items

(01:21:43):
like furniture Julian clothing. The other group went to restaurants,
sports games, and participated in various experiences throughout the state
of the receives is randomly texted the people and they
found their happiness was higher for the participants who consumed
experiential purchases than those who consumed material ones, regardless of
the cost of the item. And if this went on,

(01:22:04):
this went on not only at the time they were
doing it, so in the first weeks of getting it,
but as they checked in over time, because people had
memories of the experience. And their conclusion was, if you
want to be happier, it might be wise to shift
your consumption away from material goods and a bit more
towards experiences that would likely lead to greater well being.
So the question is, as you buy Christmas presents, should

(01:22:25):
you be buying objects or you should be buying experiences.
Trips away could be go karting, it could be visiting
rang Toto in Auckland, like I did recently, experiences rather
than objects, because we've all got so many objects, and look,
I think a lot of people have been disgusted. And look,

(01:22:47):
I know some people can't afford much, but things are
so cheap now, you know, junkie plastic toys are so
cheap now that you see kids just getting piled up
with this rubbish and I don't know if it does
that much for them, you know, whereas there's an experience
like a trip away, a holiday, camping, anything like that. Yeah,

(01:23:11):
and you were talking before about say a tent for example.
A tent is an object that leads to experiences.

Speaker 10 (01:23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah, I'm right behind buying experiences for two reasons. One is,
quite often the experiences that I buy for summer houses
for my partner may so then I get to partake
in that experience as well. If you know, I book
a week holiday away somewhere nice in New Zealand. Of
course it's for two people, so I get to enjoy
that experience as well, So it's a little bit selfish

(01:23:37):
of me, but also you know Mave loves it. And
the second part is that it goes to a New
Zealand business. Quite often, you know, it's supporting New Zealand tourism.
I'm patriotic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Well, experience or gift could just be a taking someone
out to dinner. So you say, I'm going to take
out for dinner and see they're buying you a present,
So I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty, what do you
think about this? And what are some examples of some
experiences that aren't so expensive that that that they're out
of the possibility for most people that will Christmas presents

(01:24:07):
instead of just objects after objects. I was owning you,
filling your garage, filling your attic, filling your house with
more and more stuff you don't care about. And this,
of course you think about buying the number one best
seller A life best punishing Thirteen Ways to Love Life
You've got. That's a great object to buy someone for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
That's a great experience reading that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
That's an experience.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Stuff, that's experience.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Oh, shameless, shameless, eight hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
And eighty ten eighty love to hear your thoughts. It
is twelve past three. Black Friday is almost upon us.
That's why we're talking about experiences versus stuff. What do
you go for just hearing that piece out of that book?
What's the title of the book again, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
A lifeless punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've got.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Yeah, it's a nice piece though, actually, And I just thought.
The last thing that I bought for myself that was
a thing was a laptop, right, It was a new
MacBook ear. Yeah, and I freaking love that thing.

Speaker 12 (01:24:59):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
I was so excited by it for about three months
and now it's just there it's just there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a little bit different.
That's an object that has that you can use to
do stuff, you know. Yeah, I mean you need it.
It's a tool, Yeah you can't. I mean tools are
pretty good presents, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
But I'm not going to be telling anyone about my
mac book he or on my teeth beed am I, Rachel,
watch your your experiences versus stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:25:22):
So last year I ran around like an idiot getting
lots of presents for my kids that ended up just
being on their floor, not opened really until gan Re
February whatever it was, And I said to them that's it.
I'm not doing presents ever again for each others. What
we're going to do from this year on where we're
going to do experiences. So I've just booked tickets to

(01:25:44):
go to the summer concert down in Telco to go
see Culture of Them and a number of events down
in Talpo, and then we're going to explore Talpo for
a few days.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
And they're like you, I've been going to touch I've
been going to topeall recently, Rachel. After and I didn't
really know that place, you know, I'm from the South
Island originally that that is the that is such a
fantastic town. There is so much to do there. It
is so beautiful. It's the Queenstown of the North. It's fantastic.

Speaker 16 (01:26:19):
Yep.

Speaker 22 (01:26:20):
And I also said to my kids, we're going to
remember this weekend, that weekend much more than I don't know,
a pair of shoes that I brought you. So yeah,
So moving toward that's what we're going to do. My
kids are now older as well, so as they get
older as well, we're going to have a lot more fun,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
And when you think about it, Rachel, when you think
about it, when you think about it when you get older, Rachel,
when you look back at your childhood, the things that
you talk about the most with your your siblings and
with your parents, and the things you remember, they are
the holidays. You don't necessarily remember that dinky toy you had.
I mean I do a little bit, But you talk
so much about the holidays you have with your family,
don't you.

Speaker 8 (01:26:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:26:59):
Absolutely, so yes, trying that this year and hopefully it's
a success and we'll just move on and carry on
doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
How do you how do you, Rachel? So is this
for this is for Christmas presents, right, yes, so how
do you put that under the tree? Is the trick though,
isn't it?

Speaker 22 (01:27:16):
Well, well, we did discuss this week that we might
only buy each other a small gift up to the
value of fifty buck speech, so at least we've got
something under the tree to open. But otherwise, yeah, the
big present is the trip away.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and yeah, I mean not that
massively expensive really, you know, in the big in the
big scheme of things holiday and Topaul. You're not not
going crazy, You're not going to Italy, but you will
create a lot of memories.

Speaker 22 (01:27:51):
Exactly exactly, and if it's successful, they can choose the
next experience the following year.

Speaker 8 (01:27:56):
God knows what they are.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
They big cold Chidel fans. They love Jimmy Barnes.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Do you know what.

Speaker 22 (01:28:03):
It's been a backdrop of our lives, so they should
know most of the songs and and who wants who
doesn't want to go see Jimmy exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Love a bit of man, Rachel, Thank you very much,
some great texts coming through this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
On nine two, nine two, I've bought my son three
new golf wages for Christmas. With the black Friday sales.
It's what he wanted. He plays golf and is a
four handicapper, so it's win win. You could argue that
that's the thing, because there are objects that are experiences, right,
So if you buy you know, golf clubs or a
golf club, and I've certainly got them for for Christmas

(01:28:40):
in the past, they lead to experiences. And look, if
you can, if you can sort out a situation where
you're playing golf with your kids going forward, then you
will have something to do with them for the rest
of their life. You know, you know, your kid might
be out of town and then they come back in.
You go, you want to play golf, and that is
like a little experience walking around a golf shore. Of course,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Watch your handicap.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I don't have a handicap, certainly not.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Four oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call experiences versus stuff. It is nineteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk SAIB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Twenty one past three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
We're talking about experiences as opposed to objects for Christmas presents. Hey, guys,
don't worry about topul Take the kids to Tara Minui
and go down the Wanganui River in Canadian coops canoes.
Best experience ever. That's from Mark I've heard, I've talked to.
I've got a number of friends who have done that
down the Wanganiwei River and it is absolutely fantastic. Everyone

(01:29:46):
says it's incredible, and I'm really jealous. I really want
to do it. Sounds like an absolutely epic journey.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Is that part of the Great Walk, isn't it. I
think that's part of the ta At the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
It, there's a waterfall you go down and most people
fall out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
It's so good. Yeah, George, what's your view on experiences
versus stuff?

Speaker 23 (01:30:04):
Yeah, well, I I search years ago brought my first
grandchild a present in a very large box. He got
the box, he opened it, took the present out, and
to the rest of the day played in the box.
That sums up so anyway, I have always since then,

(01:30:29):
I've always had a twelve seed the bus and more
late and more likely a late seventeen seed the bus,
and so I take them on experiences. We've taken you
entire one way, well into and all over the country
because they have mostly rural built children and given them experiences,
and whenever we have a gathering, they get together and

(01:30:52):
they just talk about those experiences. I can reassure you
that there've been presents they would not have talked about
the press.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
And they'll talk about those for the rest of their lives, George.

Speaker 23 (01:31:04):
They will, and it has been wonderful. They've so much us. Well,
now I'm in a different situation. I've got seventhing grand children,
but I've moved on. I've now have twelve great grandchildren,
so I'm in the process. They're just coming up to
the age. The oldest is eight years old, and they're

(01:31:27):
just coming to the age that we could start doing
something with them as well. The problem I have is
I'm eighty two years old. I probably can't do another
generation after this lot mm hmmm, because the law probably
won't let me drive after I'm hundred two more.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Okay, so did you so when you say you've got
you said you've got a bus. Did you, George, you
hit a bus?

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:31:55):
I used to be. I used to be make a
work of asparagus is what I used to be. And
I used to sell asparagus and so I had a
lot of staff, so I carried a lot of staff
around and I use those buses for those experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah because because reason sorry you go, George.

Speaker 23 (01:32:15):
Well, another reason that I can do this is I've
kept fit because I've picked each of the sparguss today.
So let's tell you that, you know, if you want
to live a long time, you need a sparks just
on the side.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
No, it's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Your ways would have been honking the whole time. But
you're very healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Oh outside, you're a good man, George, Thank you very much.
He was sprightly for ready two, wasn't he.

Speaker 15 (01:32:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Well, the thing is with you know, you know, you
talk about like that was a bus that you had
for work, but if you you invest in, you know,
a camper van or something like that, then that is
like that's not necessarily present, but you're taking a certain
amount of your income that you could spend on something
and investing in something like that that you're going to
have a lot of experiences. And that could just be
as little as a tent as we were talking before,

(01:33:07):
but that's using some of your income towards something that
is going to lead to multiple memory creating events and
that's fantastic. I've got a text here on nine two
nine two. I don't recommend spending on an experience I
proposed on Christmas Day, and twenty one years later, I'm
still paying for that experience. That's from Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Very good Steve, Jane. How are you hello? How are
you good? Experiences versus gifts?

Speaker 24 (01:33:33):
Well, for a stout, I'll say that you'd be wishing
you're in christ today.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Oh we're looking at the telly right now. What a beauty? Beautiful?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Do you know what's up?

Speaker 24 (01:33:46):
What temperature it is? I don't have any temperature gauges.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Well, well, it looks like the wind's picking up a
little bit though, Jane, looking at the cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
I'll find out for you right now, Jane. It's a beautiful.
It's a beautiful twenty six degrees in Christus right.

Speaker 24 (01:34:01):
Now, Jane, it is just beautiful. So yep, anyway, you're
not and it is, and any experiences versus all the
other things, just and assistance and all opens. I am
living into seventy and New Year's Eve. The lasting I
want as an experience of any sort because I'm not

(01:34:25):
streat had great freedom with walking and off off straight ground.
I just can't do it, just what's going through. It
would be dreadful, slow as a wet week. You know, Well,
why would I want an experience? I would sit there
and watch other people go on the rocks and go
whipping around rocks and things, But to be there would

(01:34:49):
kill me in case it did go wrong. It literally would.
And I would much rather see what my family and
have the family members that don't normally come around Christmas
for intimation, if or any other time after Christmas, whenever possible.

Speaker 17 (01:35:06):
That's the thing.

Speaker 24 (01:35:07):
The gifts that i'd like get and if they want
to give me a gift, but when it isn't it's
warm and funny and you're outside, I'd like, you know,
one of those lovely blank something that is more a
change to an older person. The idea of going up
in an aircraft or flying somewhere or doing all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
It's just doing us as But Jane, and experience could
be something as simple as taking you out for dinner
or taking you to the to the movies. It wouldn't
have to be something that.

Speaker 24 (01:35:41):
You have to exerself, but yeah, that's fine, that would
be good. But matter of which I sort of choose
to do and I can United week. It's really I
don't know. I would just prefer to do something within
my age in huntt zone and physical zone.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
But that's a beautiful thing that you've said, Jane, because
to me, that is an experience that the perfect gift
for you is having your family around at Christmas or
just after Christmas and spending time with them. And I've
got to say, for my mum, it's all she cares
about now. She doesn't want gifts. She just wants us
boys to turn up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
But then, I mean, you've got to get it right.
And if you've got to get the experience right for
the right person. So you know, if you if the
experience you're giving to your great grandma is a bull riding,
then you haven't read the room very well.

Speaker 24 (01:36:29):
I just think there was so many other things everything.
I think people being there, that's.

Speaker 6 (01:36:37):
The one that I love.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 24 (01:36:41):
Wine, great people.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I mean I mean that's that's when Christmas is at
its best, isn't it When when the experience isn't isn't
isn't the is it? I've got the cliche here. Your
presence is the presence beautiful. Your presence is the gift.
I think it's something like that anyway, very clever. But
then again, if I if I said, if I said

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to my kids, my present for you this Christmas is
me being here around the tree.

Speaker 12 (01:37:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Quick text to the headlines. I bought my adult children
and partners whitewater rafting trips for Christmas last year. They
are based in London, Wellington and Auckland. Each city has
a commercial operator Massive Hat keep those coming through. On
nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
My son has never been to a strip club, says
this TEXTRA nine two. I'm shouting an experience there with
all the extras. Okay, all right, then, well that's not
as wholesome as some of the other Lucky boy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a
number to cool. It is twenty nine past three.

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Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Thank you, ray Lean. It is twenty seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
We are talking about gifts that are experiences rather than objects,
and I was just thinking of one thing that I
took my kids to do and it was in the
Redwoods tree Walk. Oh yeah, and that I mean, I
don't absolutely love heights, but that was so so good
and challenging for me, and also challenging for me when
you've got your kids up something like that, because you

(01:39:33):
kind of start worrying about them. This was a couple
of years ago, but that's a great experience. If you
give someone the red Redwood's tree Walk, yeah they'll remember
that fat ever with the zip lines between the trees
and you're up high and you get and you get
a good tour guye that talks you through everything. That
is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
That was a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I mean, and I kind of get what some people
are saying that if you give that to your kids
under the tree, they're going to go on Christmas Day
when they open the present, that go. But then once
they do it, they're like, that was awesome. Yeah, that
was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
The best thing I ever did in New Zealand. And
I knew it would be cool, but not as cool
as it was. Swimming with dolphins and quite corter we
dusky dolphins. Oh yeah, and holy moly, it was almost spiritual.
You get in there and these dolphins swimming around you
and doing the wee this sounded dolphin makes. They's as
close as I can get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
I can't do it. Yeah, yeah, no, there's nothing like it.
There's a phone call, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
But they say to you, so you get into the
water and you've got your snorkel on and they say
just start singing, and I'm like, yeah right, But you
start singing and all of a sudden, these duskies come
swimming around you. Oh man, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
I've swum with and I haven't swum. I've been I've
been fishing when dolphins have come around, and it's so
freaking cool. But I've had such bad luck with whales.
I've gone out whale watching things in a number of
places and they never come out for me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, whales hate my guts, They hate me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
They What they need to do is, next time there's
a beachain, just take me down there and then the
whales will just jump out in the water and go away.
I'll disappear before I get there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
We'll get Project Jonna on the Phoney, Glenda, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:41:07):
I'm gourd you boy?

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
There were you very good? So you had a wonderful
Christmas experience? Was it last Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
Was it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:14):
No, no, no, this is second two thousand. My eldest
brother moved to Chicago many years ago and forgot to
come home and then he brought his wife and living

(01:41:38):
kids and grandkids back. So that was a just spacial
special Christmas.

Speaker 8 (01:41:44):
So I put on a.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
Really big TV traditional Christmas, and then I said to
my brother, bring your golf clubs over. He said, why
are we going to bring your golf clubs over? I said,
just bring them over. So after lunch and prezeestow bits

(01:42:07):
and bobs, I said, right, so you get down near
too near to there and go and play gold. What
it's Christmas Day? I said, I've got permission and I've
paid trap.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
That's an experience.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
Yeah, I know, it's like they still talked about it.
We pay go from Christmas Day and we went in
the snow.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Love that. And what did you put on for the
Kiwi traditional Christmas meal?

Speaker 25 (01:42:41):
But a pev the lamb maham. The most sigis the
peblov you know that sort of stuff? Yeah, yeah, love it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
There's beautiful, Glinda, thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Experiences versus prisons, what do you.

Speaker 9 (01:42:57):
Reagon well for me? I get presents from any of
what I want, so down down, turning to what you expect.
Does that makes sense? For the third day, wanted kilt,
and there's just no way I was getting the kilt.
They just said no. So I was like, oh, that
was the wife and the children.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
They didn't want to They didn't want you to see
you in a kilt. What do they have against the kilt?
Has risen?

Speaker 9 (01:43:22):
They didn't mind me wearing the kilt because I'd wear
it natural, you know, And that's that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
But you wear natural, then man spread on the couch
and ruined Christmas Day.

Speaker 9 (01:43:31):
That's that's right. So then I asked for a nice
and I didn't get the nice that I wanted, And
it's like, you know, and then then I'm the baddiat
because you know, you're not appreciative of But never mind experiences.
We went to the Olympic Games opening ceremony in Rio,
and I didn't really want to do it because of

(01:43:52):
the cost, because it was hellish expensive, fair person, But
to this day it is the best value I've ever
done in my life ever, And and it was the
most expensive thing per item for a person that I've done,
and honestly, it was absolutely just breastakingly stunning and enjoyed

(01:44:15):
every second of it. So that was a good experience.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
How long did you spend in Rio?

Speaker 15 (01:44:20):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:44:22):
Teen days?

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Yeah, that would be a life changing experience.

Speaker 9 (01:44:26):
Expenses, No, it was. It wasn't being during the Olympic Games.
It was you couldn't go and line on the beach
and just everybody was trying to see something and you know,
we were staying Onbana Beach. It was just lovely. It
was lovely. We had a lovely time, you know. And
so last year, because of all the presents that I
don't get too what I said to them, I'm going

(01:44:48):
We're going to go and I'm going to get a
tailor made house tooth suit. And I did, and the
first time went during it out, both my wife and
my daughter wouldn't come with me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
They judgment all of your fashion choices, aren't they, Greg
Your family?

Speaker 9 (01:45:04):
Well, I don't blame them in some respects, but that's okay. Now,
how they see the benefit of the hound's too certain
and quite happy to be seen with me, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
I'll tell you what, Greg Man, me and Tyler will
get together and we'll get your cult for Christmas, definitely,
as long as you've seen it.

Speaker 9 (01:45:21):
But you probably won't. You probably won't get me a
kilt because you right, do you see how much they cost?
Let's that's the main.

Speaker 10 (01:45:26):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
What are your legs like?

Speaker 6 (01:45:28):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Have you got a decent pair of pens on you?

Speaker 9 (01:45:31):
Yeah? Not too bad?

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Not too bad, not too bad.

Speaker 9 (01:45:33):
I'm getting old now, getting old, that's all right, So yeah,
depending on what it is. I think if you can
get the right experience, you take experience over present, and
they could be they could be the same thing, to
be honest as well, couldn't they.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I've just I've just I've just created a saying in
my head. Create memories, not rubbish or.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Put that work.

Speaker 9 (01:46:01):
My daughter has are saying. It says, it's not what
you get at the end of the journey, it's the
journey getting there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Yeah, full your mine with memories, not landfall, full of
your crap.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Perfectly, you heard it, Greig, Thank you very much, and
we'll work on getting that kilt for you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
This is a bit of a disturbing text has come
through on ninety two nine two Mum would get us
to take turns messaging her feet with vasseline intensive care
around the Christmas tree. Experience like that scarred us for life.
Great for her, not for us. She told us it
would be good for our hands.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
To keep those ticks coming through on nineteen when I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Getting my kids for Christmas this year, you can rub
my bunions.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Boys, massive jarra vessel ain good for your hands. It
is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
They'd be good Afternoons seventeen to four. We're talking about
experiences versus stuff and love to hear the best experience
you've ever had in New Zealand plenty coming through on
nine two nine two kidday guys, got my best made
of training flight for his forty Yes he loves it.
But the only issue was picking Wellington on a good
day from James.

Speaker 12 (01:47:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
As my father got old, he always said he didn't
want anything that would outlast him. Oh yeahs and experience yeah,
or buy him something rubbish. It's definitely going to break.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
George a tap on. Given experiences from you.

Speaker 15 (01:47:30):
I hope he wasn't talking about his doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Very good.

Speaker 15 (01:47:37):
I just wanted to say I would start with always
check the reviews when you go to send something to someone,
I'll give him my experience. My son sent us an experience.
As you guys are pushing this afternoon, is a great
way to go. Yep, have a dining experience. You and
your wife great rung up the place. The restaurant couldn't

(01:48:00):
get through answer phone for a whole week answer phone. Finally,
when we did get through, someone previously have put the
phone directly to answer phone and never told the boss.
You never got any phone calls.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
The boss would to make a booking.

Speaker 15 (01:48:19):
Yeah, so anyway, you know, we sort of said, well,
this is very good for a starter anyway, unless you
walked into the restaurant and sat down had a meal.
So anyway, we arrived on a Sunday night. It was dark,
it was dank. He walked into the restaurant and it's
peeling paint on the walls. You go, this place needs
a total upgrade. Someone needs to plate some paint to
the walls and clean it all up.

Speaker 8 (01:48:40):
Well, that was fine.

Speaker 15 (01:48:41):
The food was mediocre for the World of the bed description,
unlike the website descriptions. Yea, the staff were pretty casual.
On the way to the back loo, there was rubbish
and boxes and tins and plastic things and cardboard boxes
would used stuff and rubbish bags all stacked along the side,
and you go, this is in the public area. What's
this about? And they're finding the dessert. We wanted waffles,

(01:49:03):
so they served up those square ones that you buy
it count down. They're not even fresh, they're right bread,
you know. So all I'm saying is, if you're going
to buy someone for someone to take them for a
bungee jump or whatever, get the reviews about it before
you send them the gift, so that at least you

(01:49:24):
know that they're going to have a good experience and
not something else.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Well, my good mate Jason Hoyt was given a bungee
jump to do and then when he long, when long
he failed the healthiest on it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
It was his blood pressure was too high.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
There was a lot. I think he failed it on
four different things, which was humiliating for him.

Speaker 15 (01:49:45):
And sometimes they touched the water when they're not supposed to,
and sometimes they end up in the water and they're
not supposed to. That's what that's what's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
That's what happened to me, George, when I was doing
a bungee jump because they thought i'd be because of
my previous TV shows I'd made. They thought I was
going to be extreme and that I was going to
run and jump off and do a dive. But what
I did is I wandered up terrified and then just
plumped off like a like a duck dive and went
straight down. So they'd calibrated wrong, and I just went

(01:50:12):
splashed right into the water. This is off Auckland Bridge,
so yeah, and as I was going down, I was like,
I'm going to hit the water here.

Speaker 18 (01:50:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
But it was still an awesome experience.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
You remember that one.

Speaker 15 (01:50:23):
Did you end up in the water staying with your
head underwater waiting for them to pull you up?

Speaker 16 (01:50:29):
No, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
I was in the water briefly, and then then I
was out of the water pretty quickly, thankfully, And it
was ended up being also. Actually I felt elated as
I came out of the water. It was a fantastic experience.
A lot of people.

Speaker 15 (01:50:40):
Maybe your listeners could bring it up with a few
of the other side of the coin, yeah, of what
not to do what their experiences have not been good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, George. A
lot of people's test texting through and I'm not sure
how to word this, but gifts that of an amorous nature,
an experience that you maybe put under the tree for
your part.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Does that ever go down? Well, if you're the feller
and you give a week card to your wife saying
that I'm going to give you a good time whenever you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Want it, I'm going to try that. I'm gonna put
that under the tree. I've got to offer you a
like a you know, five minutes of passion for me,
not you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Okay, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
I'm very happy with that. That'd be a great Christmas
get out. Not you, Tyler, Not that's Christmas. Yeah, well
maybe next Christmas when I know you're a little bit better. Yeah, Brian,
I'm definitely try that for my partner Tracy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Yeah, lucky Tracy. Right, that's been a good chat. After
the break, we're gonna chat about cricket test Underwey At
the moment came Williamson looking very good.

Speaker 5 (01:51:41):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
We've got acc head g Lane coming into the studio
for a wrap up of the first two sessions.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
It is twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. You
for twenty twenty four used talks dead b bogs b.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
It is eight to four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
You're listening to Matt and Tyler afternoons on news Talk
z B joing us in the studio as acc head
g Lane. Day one of the cricket at Hagley Oval,
two sessions down. What's your verdict?

Speaker 26 (01:52:15):
Oh, look, it's a great it's great to have when
once cricket starts. Summer's here and in christ it's thirty degrees,
it's boiling hot. Summer is here. Much anticipated match and
I'd have to say new Zander on top. One hundred
and ninety three for three. We won the last session.
Ravendra unlucky to get out. He just had a full
toss hit straight to midwicket. But Hagley looks a picture.

(01:52:38):
The English looked like they look very tired. They're getting
punished by that northwester. It's hot, it's blowing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
So it's looking good for us and kin Williamson's steady.

Speaker 10 (01:52:47):
The ship Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Beautiful, so is that is. I think this is thirty
six to fifty. I mean the averages over fifty, so
you expect him to get fifty. And the other reason
why he doesn't have that many fifties is because he
gets so many hundreds. But did we trick them? Did
we trick them? And thinking it was a green seemer
because they see the wicket, someone's going out. They're great
ground staff down at Hagley Over They've gone out there
with some spray paint. They've sprayed at green Bears and Stokes.

(01:53:09):
They shouldn't a bit of their forum for it.

Speaker 26 (01:53:11):
They've gone and yeah, they got stucked into the trap
ash and the team down there has put a green
rinse through the pitch. I think either team, if they'd
won the toss, they would have bowled. I think that's
what you do at Hagley any season. But unfortunately there's
not actually not much in it. There's not much in
the in the wicket.

Speaker 10 (01:53:25):
And look, this is the.

Speaker 26 (01:53:26):
First time in a very long time we haven't had
Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson tormenting it. Yeah, so it's
actually it's quite it's quite refreshing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Yeah, But is it one of those situations and as
a long time black Caps fan, I fail to see
the positive side and everything, and I'm immediately going if
we're going well, does that just mean England's going to
go well?

Speaker 26 (01:53:43):
No, Matt Henry, he's our secret weapon the ground.

Speaker 10 (01:53:46):
Matt Henry.

Speaker 26 (01:53:47):
When he gets that lovely behind going into that with
the win behind him, I think he's going to be
He's going to be the player to watch when they
when they're betting.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Yeah, Ben Stokes temperaments he's looking very frustrated over the
last couple of hours.

Speaker 26 (01:54:00):
Yes, he hasn't bold overly well either. He's taken a
bit of tap, Ben Stokes, but like he'll come back
better than his hairline.

Speaker 10 (01:54:07):
Do you worry about that?

Speaker 26 (01:54:08):
There is a specials amount of he has appeared on
it and he might have had a trip to Turkey
at some stage.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Well, that tends to happen to the crickets. Cricket is
one of those sports where you know, with the advanced here, Yeah, yeah,
where it's one sport and it's one area where there's
no judgment at all. If you're here, suddenly it comes
back absolutely.

Speaker 10 (01:54:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
You can go full elon Musker knowing questions about it. Yeah,
so you've got to say we were sitting out how
one hundred and ninety three for three. Where would you
like to see us at the end of the day today?

Speaker 26 (01:54:33):
I would like to see us probably at about two
eighty I'd take another wicket to eighty for four at
the end of day one I would take and that
we'll put a lot of pressure on England because once
you got runs on the board, that'll come out swinging
as well. And I don't have this is the kind
of patch you can do that, particularly with Matt Henry
nipping it around.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
And you know, I've been fully concentrating on this radio
show here and I haven't been watching the cricket cricket,
but if we had many shots of Brendan McCullum and
sitting in the extit that that feels weird, doesn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:55:02):
Whole?

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
You know, it's not the first time obviously we've been
in this situation. But bears bears being over here, and
he's a South Island boy. He used to live in
South and Eaton made he's not a Canta. He had
a house and he had a.

Speaker 10 (01:55:15):
House there for a while, but he's now cheeks manna.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, putting all his English cash
into horses. But I mean that's a that's a weird vibe,
isn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:55:27):
And you know, like New Zealand's favorite cricketing son, and
it's really difficult watching him in that English three Lions
shirt and like scheming with Ben Stokes, another New Zealander,
it just seems a little just I don't know how
to feel about it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't feel great about it. But they've
both got great sleeves, you know, great great tats those too,
they do.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
They do.

Speaker 10 (01:55:48):
He does look dangerously sunburnt as well. Ben Stokes. I
don't know if he's been warned about the harsh New
Zealand son.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
Surely he has yea. And the people of christ Church
showing their support massively. Great to see sal out at
Hagley Oval.

Speaker 26 (01:56:00):
Beautiful Oval, one of the best cricket grounds between that
Bay Oval Basin Reserve and Sedon Park.

Speaker 10 (01:56:06):
It's great cricket grounds.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Yeah, I mean there is all of course the bes
McCallum red wine trap as well, so when he gets
home he gets very, very thirsty. So there's a good
chance that the England team have been well hydrated over
the last couple of days instead of preparing for the game.

Speaker 26 (01:56:19):
Well, look, rumors are that the cricket's getting in the
way of their golf tour. They just start down in
Queenstown with their warm up game. I hear the hills
may have been attended in Jack's Points.

Speaker 15 (01:56:29):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Well, there you go. Okay, one hundred and ninety three
for three. They'll be back out shortly. Give them a
taste of kiwi.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Yeah, nice to see you mate. That is us for today.
We'll do it all again tomorrow and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
The ACC coverage on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 26 (01:56:45):
Yeah, just search cricket on iHeartRadio, over covering every game
all summer.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Yeah, thank you so much. ACC. Here Glane tomorrow on
the show New Zealander of the Week. Yeah, who could
it be? It might be Ben Stokes at this right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
Yeap, looking forward to that. Thank you for today. We'll
do it all again tomorrow. See you then.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
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