November 6, 2024 • 44 mins
On this episode, Murray is joined by one of our greatest ever paceman, Trent Boult. Deaks and Trent discuss his decision to turn down a New Zealand Cricket contract, the future of test cricket and why we've seen the last of him playing for the Black Caps.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi Murray Deeker here, Welcome to my podcast, Murray Deeker's
Sporting Lives. During my career, I've spent over forty years
interviewing the biggest names in sport and I'm thrilled to
bring you this podcast, talking to sporting legends, giving you
a look at their world, to hear their memories, their
stories and their opinion. And some are as close. So
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it's only right we turn our attention to cricket this episode,
I'm joined by one of our best ever placement, a
man who announced earlier this year that he played his
last game for New Zealand. Today, I'm joined by Trent Bolt.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Gold Sport presents Murray Deeker's Sporting Lives with Callaway.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Trent Bolt is one of the best left arm fast
bowlers in the history of the game. His record of
five and eighty eight international wickets not only shows his class,
but also his durability is versatility. He's able to succeed
in all three formats of the game. Intruder course is
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renowned for his ability to swing the ball both ways.
He joins, us, are we ever going to see you
play for New Zealand again?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Five and eighty one appearances, eight wickets, Oh wickets, Okay, Yeah,
I've had some incredible times in the black jersey, great memories.
But in terms of my international career, I think it
is over. Actually, I don't think you'll see me in
the in the black uniform ever again. But yeah, I've
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looked back on it fondly and I owe a lot
of those experiences to the success that I've had. Really,
and yeah, it's I feel like I've moved on, really
and it's time to move forward. And yeah, hand the
batton over to the next generation.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Ready, I'd retired from doing sports talk on Newstalks. He'd
be at the stage when England were touring here. If
I had been on, I would have had a field day,
not a field day on the fact that you were
living two hundred and fifty meters away from the ground,
they didn't have an opening attack and you were doing
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Diddley Squad and you were available to play. What the
hell was all that about?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, Well, obviously the decisions I made to handback my contract, Yeah,
look to play franchise crecret around the world, spend a.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Bit more time at home.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
It came with not consequences, but it was told to
me that I'd never play Test cricket again if I
ever well, if I was to go down that path,
and there were some pretty stern words from New Zealand Cricket. Yep,
there was an interesting process. But yeah, I don't think
I've ever told me on this, but no one has
ever played Test cricket for New Zealand that doesn't have
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a contract. Well this was two years ago, so yeah,
they stuck to that word. They were never going to
pick me. It was a shame I wanted to play.
I just got back from Dubai. I had been bowling,
I had been playing, and obviously, but yeah, they they
stood strong on that stance and yeah, obviously didn't select
me to play. But how times have changed now other
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guys have handed back contracts and.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Look at what we've got. We've got certain players playing
Test cricket without contracts.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So yeah, the game is moving forward and it's moving
forward pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Did they give you a reason for their decision.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
To not pack me.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, it's just purely that no one's ever played Test
CRECT for New Zealand. It doesn't have a contract, So.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, that was the wording.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
One of the big questions facing top players now is
going to be franchise prioritization. Most players are opting to
focus on the lucrative franchise leagues over national duties. Is
it a no brainer?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I think it's a hard question, Murray.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It's I've always respected and obviously appreciated the international game.
It plays a huge role in the platform to moving
into franchise world. You'll one hundred percent see players try
to take it on and fail.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The franchise world can be extremely fickle.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
There's a lot of players out there that are lying
for certain spots and you can quickly become you know,
yesterday's news with a couple of bair performances. So the
international game plays a huge role in demand in the
franchise world. But yeah, things are just popping up everywhere now.
There's there's leagues in America, Zimbabwe, Scotland. T ten is
becoming an ether a growing kind of concept of cricket,
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and yeah, we all understand that people want to see results,
they want to see crowds, they want to see quick games.
But yeah, I think you've got to be good enough
to at the offers and b you've got to be
even better to hold onto them.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So yeah, it's a tough question.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
The other issue is the significant gap in earnings between
players from the bigger nations compared with those from the
smaller nations. Now I've read I'm not asking you how
much you're worth, but I've read where you're estimated worth
is five million, while amparable player from Australia, like Mitchell Stark,
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his net worth is five times higher. What can be done?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh, Mitchell Stark's a lot better than me. No, that's
that's a tough question obviously, Man, when do you start.
It's almost comparing apples to oranges. In my opinion, Australia cricket.
Australia is a powerhouse of the world. The BCCI Indian
Indian cricket is a powerhouse of the world. That's who
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people want to see play, That's who people pay to
see play. The stadiums, TV rights, timing around the world.
You know, all these things pay or play into the
whole factor. I'd love to see match fees be consistent
around the world. The West Indian cricket team gets paid
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x amount when they play the same team. You're playing
the same team on the same game, same day.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
But it's the way the world works. I think you're
never gonna get.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know, the Scottish players or whoever paid the same
as Robert Chalmer. Robert Charmer owns a lot of money
because he's the biggest player in the world, very coldly,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So it's a hard one.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But yeah, whatever work can be done to get it
as close to even as possible or fear, I think
it would be a good step in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
How would they go about doing that, Well.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They've tried by having future tour programs and making sure
everyone paid, you know, plays similar teams and whatever. But
I don't know, and he Ze cricket seem to always
be paying. We're playing Sri Lanka and the West Indies
and Pakistan come every year.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think they've tried to put the future to a
program in place, but yeah, at the end of the day,
money speaks and the people want to see England take
on Australia and the ashes, they want to see India
play Australia and the border Gaviscar Trophy or whatever it is.
So yeah, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Let's put those two aside, the ashes and the Gavascar
Border one and then ask the question with all the
franchise cricket, the interest in it, has test cricket, got
a future.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Test cricket around the world, has a future descricket in
New Zealand? I really question it. We know it costs
a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Don't quote me on any numbers, but I think it's
half a million dollars a test to put on in
New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We've got no permanent grounds. We have to close down grounds,
we have to put up temporary stands.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
We've got scaffolding, we've got temporary fencing, we've got red
badge security higher.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It all adds up.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And then to top it off, it's on at ten
am in the morning, when it's four am in India
where everyone watches it, so we understand geographically we've got issues.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I look back on that World Test Championship campaign and
people will say, oh, we didn't play so and so,
we didn't do this, But that is up there with
one of the most you know, impressive sporting achievements in
New Zealand history. I think to take on the world
and Test cricket and play India in a final at
a neutral venue, they can't give any better than that,
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and I don't think New Zealand cricket will ever get
back to a standard of that. That is one of
the most phenomenal achievements. Probably speaking biasedly because I was involved,
but it was pretty good and it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Didn't get the recognition that it should have got nationally.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Do you agree it was horrible? It was COVID.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
We came back and sat in the Seaboll Hotel just
by Rainbows in there and watched the what's it called
the Giant Drop. We stuck up at the what a
way like it would have been awesome to have a
bit of a homecoming parade and whatever. But yeah, that
was a phenomenal achievement. Yeah, that's something I look back
on very proudly. It'd be definitely the proudest moment I've
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had in the Black Cap. But we won't get back
to that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
No chance.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm going to run this past you. There are a
lot more people play cricket and watch cricket than those
that play and watch rugby union. When New Zealand wins
the World Cup, they knight the coach who was the
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Who was the coach who was running the Test team
that won the World Championship And when was he knighted?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, jeez, I won't stand on that. Yeah, let's that's.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Oh, we know how patriotic we are towards rugby and
the All Blacks and we're a rugby nation.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I fully understand that, but.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, it's not something I need to have the big
recognition and you know, the parade coming home.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
But I just hope, yeah, people know that, not just me, but.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
The whole group are very proud of that accomplishment of
you know, winning that inaugural World Test Championship.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I hope it stays around.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I hope it is a good way of getting people
involved in following Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But again it's not right. England have played seventeen Tests
whereas New Zealand have played five.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Now I think and I think we're fourth. We're probably
not now after losing to Sri Lanka. But it's a
hard one to follow. But yeah, its a proud moment
to win it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You see, I stop and look back at that period
and the extraordinary defeat when the ball hit the bat
and went away for three or four runs. I forget
how many in the fifty over game, then you win
the Test series. We've never been as high as that.
We're on statistic anyway. People talk about the Great Hadley era,
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and fair enough they talk about Martin Crow's era, Steven Flemings,
but this was the ultimate, really you agree?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, once again, it's hard to comment because I've been
involved in that era, but yeah, well, the guys definitely
respect the generations that have been before, the players that
have been before. And you know, I'm a big role
model kind of guy, and you know the likes of
the cricketers that I've grown up idolizing. Shane Bond was
a big hero of mine. I know, Ross Taylor speaks
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obviously very high of Martin Crow, the late Martin Crow,
and there's a lot of pride and following those guys,
and there are some very proud people of New Zealand cricket.
And yeah, it's been a very very successful era through
Brendan's captaincy and they're moving into Kane and these these
guys are once in a generation types of players. So
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I hope they've inspired more to to want to pick
up for bat and ball and New Zealand cricket can
rebuild and be in a great place, and it's going
to be an interesting one that I'm going to follow
definitely very closely.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But very proud of my time in the Black Cat
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
What were the fact Does it influence your decision to
opt out of a central contract in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I'd have to check my press statement that I released
at the time, but I remember being in the hotel
room and the Caribbean. I've been on the road for
about six and a half months. Just had our third child.
Out of the three boys, I'd had maybe two birthdays
across the five or six years, and I just had enough, Murray,
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I was sick of being on the road. You know,
the cricketers, when you're playing all formats can spend kind
of ten to eleven months on the road and raising
the young family. And you know, I spoke about role
models briefly. I want to be a role model to
my kids and I want to be around and I
want to be around the more so. The combination of
those factors a good opportunity to go forward, and then lastly,
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I just really wanted to have the control of making
that decision myself rather than someone telling me I had
to move on.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So yeah, made the decision to move on.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Still had ambitions are playing for New Zealand and wanted
to contribute, which I was lucky enough to do, and
a couple of WORL cups post that decision. But yeah,
no regrets from my end. I've happily moved on.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You see, we've seen cricket go through the issue of
coming to grips with franchise and people playing that we're
now seeing it happening in rugby union. Even if the
I was going to say buff Ed's in Wellington, but
that could be liablius. I don't know who knows, but
they are buff Eds. If they haven't worked out that
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they've got to be playing players based overseas for the
All Blacks, then we've got a problem on our hands.
But you would think that they would have learned from
cricket because cricket struggled with this then finally has accepted it.
Would you like to see all blacks overseas available for
our national team?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
This is going to test my rugby knowledge. But don't
the rugby players do sabbaticals. They're allowed to go away
and play.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They are, but if they have not accepted that and
have done what you did with the contract, they're out
of it.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, it's a hard one, and yeah, there's probably stuff
to learn from cricketers making decisions. I think it's hard
to compare cricket to rugby, especially the All Blacks. What
would the All Blacks play a year? They'd probably play
fourteen tests?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, fifteen tests a year. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Cricketers are playing what fifty sixty seventy games? Yeah, And
like I said, cricketers are away. If they play every format,
you can be away for yeah, ten months at least
a year. So I think these different things that would
be influencing decisions of players taking not franchise opportunities. But
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I think the golden rule would be to have your
best team playing, wouldn't it be you want your best
players available when possible, So negotiating that negotiating that process
will be different for obviously different individuals, but it's a
process that you just have to take. We want Kin
Williamson for instant playing as much cricket for New Zealand
as possible. That guy's got at least eight years left
of cricket batting to New Zealand and I'm sure the
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public want to see that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And when you look at the Rugby World Cup, South
Africa has most of its team now playing in Europe.
They win the thing we don't. To me, it's a
no brainer.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You picked your best team, Pick your best team, pick
your best players.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Remote I find it fascinating that this issue of playing
for a franchise you know, and what it's like to
be playing with the great players from overseas. Do you
just know Glyn and straight away you get on pretty well.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I think my first obviously taste of franchise cricket would
be the IPL, and I've been lucky enough to play
ten seasons in the IPL. Twenty fifteen was my first
contract and one of the most unique experiences ever. Obviously
getting auctioned off there's a player seeing what people want
to pay for you to play for their team, but
then the opportunity to share dressing rooms with players you've
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obviously competed against and then equally idolized, and another huge
idol for me was Dale Stain and I got to
open the bowling with them at Sunrise's Hydrabad twenty fifteen
when I was well, yeah, twenty five, twenty four, and
it was just phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I just couldn't you know.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
It was like an outer body experience to be running
and he's handing the ball to me at mid off
and mid on and stuff. And I think it's one
of the best things about cricket, getting the opportunity to
learn and share and experience kind of different cultures, see
the way other players do it. And then even more
so over the last couple of years, you know, I've
been in dressing rooms with some of the best batters
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in the world T twenty players I'm talking about, and
just a very cool opportunity. I think it can be
quite lonely sometimes when there's not a lot of New
Zealanders slash friends that I've played a lot of cricket
with over the years.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's probably been a big challenge over the last wee while.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
But yeah, at the end of the day, it's a
game that I've been so fortunate to play, very very
lucky to have all these opportunities, and I'm just trying
to make the most of every occasion really, because yeah,
you could wake up one day and it could be
all done. So yeah, that's my motto at the moment.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Let's go back and have a look at your Test
cricket highlights six for thirty against Sri Lanka and christ
Church in twenty eighteen. Some people describe that as your
best test performance. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I wouldn't say it was my best.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I remember I didn't do too well on day one,
I think it was, and then day two we came
back and it was a different breeze and a bit
of overcats conditions and the ball was just moving around
as it does and test for it, Yeah, I think
it all happen very quickly there. But yeah, best Test
performances test memories would be my first Test I got
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a ten for against the West Indies, which was probably
one of my favorite. Yeah, my one and only Temper's
favorite performances. But it's hard to say which one was
the best. But yeah, seventy nine appearances, it was some
pretty good memories.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Auckland six for thirty two and Tim bold Well at
the other end and the poems were out for fifty eight.
I could still get the grid off the face on
that one.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I forgot about that one. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There was another good one. I mean Tim wouldn't give
the ball to Wags. He was pretty angry about that.
But yeah, no, we pushed through the whole innings. Well
it was a short innings twelve overs or something and
got it done. And yeah, Sir Richard was very quick
to get on the text and say how proud he
was of that, and it was definitely a very cool memory.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was a great day six for sixty eight against
the Poms in Auckland in twenty thirteen. You really came
on strong that year.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was very early.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, it was probably only eighteen months twenty two years
into my career that so, yeah, I used to love
Test cricket, the challenge of the different conditions, the fitness,
the physicality, waking up each morning not being able to
touch your toes and just getting out there. And as
a great Test came down to the last ball another
tie against England, so didn't quite get there, but it
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was great memories.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
The twenty fifteen World Cup and you're the leading wicket
taker of the tournament. Did that place a premium on
your value for franchise cricket.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That would be, yeah, the kickstarter of my white ball
career really, that was. I remember that leading into the
World Cup twenty fifteen World Cup whether i'd be in
contention to make the fifteen and I don't quote me,
but probably played half a dozen white ball games for
New Zealand. At that stage they were pretty settled with
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Soudykyle Mills, Mitchell Mcinigan had a great odio record, Adam
Milne was around. Yeah, so that fifth spot was up
for grabs and I managed to grab it. I got
a fire for against South Africa in a warm up
game before the World Cup and then I don't know
if that got me the selection, but from there I
was just straight in and I never really let.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It go from there. And I loved the idio cricket.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I really enjoyed obviously all the World Cup campaigns I've
been a part of. But audio cricket is such a
physical game. I reckon the bat is a just coming
at you the whole time. You've got to be so accurate.
You've got to have the ability to.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Innovate and try to stay head of the batsman. And
that World Cup twenty fifteen. The balls never.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Swung like that before and some of the spells that
to me, bold a lot of the balls throughout that
tournament was it was great to watch. That's what I
lies when I was a cat watching you know, the
wazzi akrums, the Timanda vases, moved the ball around.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It was big motivation. So for me to be out
there doing that, it was very very cool.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
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Speaker 2 (21:20):
I know you're playing a bit of golf at the moment.
So is getting a hat trick like a hole in one?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I haven't had a hole in one, Murray, but yeah,
I've had a couple of hat tricks and that was
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But I think you've got a hat trick against Australia.
That has to be the older team to get a
hat trick against, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
At Lord's too, Yeah, that's good fun. Yeah, and the
World Cup too. Both my kids were there. It was yeah, good,
good memory.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Ste what happened? Who are who are the batsman? You
got out?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Kawaja was the first I remember Boldham kind of below
his feet. He was on about eighty o. It was
going into the into the end, so I wish it
was in the first over, but I don't want to
be too greedy.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And then it was my old Mitchell Stark gave him
a bit of taste of his own medicine, apparently Mitchell
what's his name in Smith said on the commentary.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And then it was Berendorf.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I Reckon came out to face the second or last ball,
so a couple of bolts and in LBW So it
was good.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Memories, fantastic. How do you adapt your bowling approach for
the different formats of Test cricket on the one hand,
and the two forms of limited over cricket.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I think they had two sides to it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think the fitness and the ability and desire to
want to keep coming back each spell and Test cricket.
Test cricket is just purely about patience and accuracy. It's
about giving the batsman nothing once again. The game is
evolving with players trying to hit the ball further, you know,
up the run rate, as we experienced with bas ball
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was probably my last Test series actually a couple of
years ago. So yeah, Test cricket's a hard thing. It's
always a game when you feel like you're in the
game when the ball's swinging, But the challenge is how
can you be effective when the ball's not swinging or moving?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You have to adapt your game for conditions around the
world what the ball's doing. But yeah, you can only
obviously understand moving into parts of the subcontinent or into
the Caribbean Dubai playing on these sand outfields and absolute
road wickets.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's a good challenge.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
But yeah, some of the challenges that the Bawling group,
the guys that I've played with over the years, man,
we took a lot of pride and trying to take
twenty wickets and getting the job done for the boys.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Well, one of the things that you'll always be remembered
for is a partnership, and often we don't talk about
partners is Hadley and Chatfield is one that stands out
to me. But then you go through the next lot
and I can't sort of think who the partner for
Dion Nash was, But by Jove's everybody will always know
who you are partner was. Are you good mates with Tim?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Great mates?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yep, nine each other since we were fifteen or so. Yeah,
he was always a year ahead of me and a
little bit bigger than me, so he progressed a.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Little bit quicker. He had a couple of nineteen Wheel.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Cups, and I remember my first World Cup was in
Kawala Limpol, which was a great side came was involved
in a few other great players for New Zealand and
Tim was just making as international debut at that time,
so everyone was a little bit scared of him. I wasn't,
of course, but yeah, it was just a friendship that
grew because of our roles. Obviously, bowlers spent a lot
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of time together, and yeah, something that was just never
forced really in terms of the partnership worked very naturally.
That he moved the ball away from right handed batsman
through the air, and obviously I moved it back into
the right handed batsman. And I enjoyed bowling left handers,
He enjoyed bowl into right handers, and yeah, we just
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took a lot of pride and going out there and
going all right, let's get it done, and obviously backed
up very nicely across the year, from across the years,
from from other players, and obviously I'd love to mention
Waggy with the relationship that we have as a as
a three, the memories that we've shared in the change
the rooms and you know, some of our test factories
we've looked back with great, great memories.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And Weggs was a guy that always.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We'll say he was never as naturally gifted as other players,
but and that guy had a heart of a lion
and he would just keep coming and keep coming. And
he developed his game to obviously start bowling short and
bowl short for five days in a row.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Innovate, try to be competitive and make make the game
tough for opposition, and that's what we would do. So
it was a great balance of skill sets and yeah,
been great fun.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
We've done well out of the South Africa as we've
picked up to play for New Zealand, haven't. We don't
tell him that well bj watleg as well.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, yeap obviously born in Britain, South Africa. Devon has
obviously made the move over. But yeah, I know Waggy's
story has got a book coming out. I've been of
plug that actually all out. It's killed, It's coming out soon. Yeah,
talks about his journey he moved out of here twenty
years ago and Yeah, it's been the best decision of
his life.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So good on them.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You've played now in a number of the different T
twenty leagues around the world. Tell us about those and
how they differ.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yep, experienced.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, the IPL would obviously be the forefront of those things.
I've never experienced anything like playing cricket in India and
then going again playing for an Indian team eighty percent
of them, the local players, sharing his dressing room, the
different languages, the food, everything else that comes with it,
but then stepping out into the ground, sold out crowds
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every time. It's phenomenal experience. Obviously, the franchise world is developing,
with leagues in America, South Africa, one hundred in England.
Big Bess has been around a while and yet cricket
has followed. It's followed all around the world. It's a
great chance to learn and understand how different players played
the game, different coaches coach and in the last couple
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of years, I've really enjoyed it. It's been a good experience,
new friendships and yeah, kids and family have been with
me the whole way. It's been a very proud moment
actually my career.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
On occasions you've spoken out about controversial issues. Now, Look,
you didn't hold back on the Australian ball tampering scandal,
did you.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, basically you said that anybody could see what they
were doing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
But what do you remember? You're saying.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Reverse swing, reverse swing the dying art. I don't know
how to reverse swing the ball, so I can't say
too much. But yeah, that's a thing where.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I don't know if you can get the ball reverse
swinging or you definitely can't get the ball reverse swinging legally,
and that's a lot say definitely can't these days. You're
not obviously a lot to split on the ball now,
so you can't even shine the ball. So yeah, I
don't know how anyone reverse swings the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, I've heard the story about a New Zealand player
playing in Pakistan who grabbed a bottle top as he
was going out onto the field and ripped one side
off the ball and that one reverse swe all over
the place and he ended up. I think he might
have got six or seven wickets that day, but he
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would deny it. But the guy who was in the
team told me his story. I think you need to
say caring if you come back the odd bottle top
around you in your trout and you can be reversed
wigging them very quickly.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I'll get one out of I'll get one out of
my golf bag.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, fair enough. How prevalent is match fixinggan cricket?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, real thing. It's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Really be a little bit different in this part of
the world down here in New Zealand, but yes, it's
definitely a big I guess you're going around.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
The world when you say it's everywhere. How does it
take place?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I can't tell you from experience, but.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, anyone's trying to make money on any part of
the game, really, total scored, boundary scored, how people get out,
who's going to win the toss, who's playing. There's all
sorts of ways to make money. I suppose one of
the things.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
About cricket is that we always have plenty of time
to discuss things, and you'd have had plenty of time
to discuss this with guys. What is the feeling of
players towards it. Are they worried about it or do
they just see it as being part of the modern game.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I think they're conscious of it. Obviously not worried. The
game's very very well protected, the international game especially. This
guy's working around the clock around the world trying to
keep this out of our game. Really, so there's no
worry from the players, but definitely an awareness that things
can happen.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And when you say there are guys working non stop,
but I forget the name of the bloke who comes
to New Zealand from time to time. But there are inspectors,
aren't there Guys who are investigating.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
For want of a term, yeah, and observing, keeping an
eye on operations. They'll be at every game international pictures.
There's an anti coruption officer at every game, so you
know his role was to watch guys in the crowd,
make sure no one's got phones around the changing room
and the players and match officials area. I think it's
called yeah, oversees everything. So yeah, the game is very
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very well protected. You can appreciate that. The Cricket World
Cup is, i think, after the Football Wall Cup, one
of the most watched sporting events in the world. So
you know there's a lot of places, a lot of
protocols and procedures in place to make sure the game's
clean and played in the right spirit, but you've.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Never been approached yourself never yeh. And I look at
you know, two of our great players, both guys that
I've got a lot of time for, Chris Kians and Bears,
and the bad will that is now between them because
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of vacuizations and things. You don't need it in sport,
do You.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Don't need it in sport and you don't need it
ten years down the track, yes, yeah, it's I don't
know too much about it, but it's yeah, you just
don't need it really. So there's a new time, the
ICL almost franchise cricket coming out, so the game was
changing there.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
So hopefully we don't have any experiences with the way
the game is moving at the moment.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
But yeah, something you definitely don't want brought up kind
of a dozen years down the track.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
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Speaker 2 (32:30):
I wonder if you're thinking that you've finished your international
career too early.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I definitely could still be playing international cricket. I know
that much, but yeah, I don't want to be. I
am happy with the decisions I've made. I'm very proud
of the moments I've had in the Black Cap, and
like I touched on briefly before, I wanted to make
the decision.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I wanted to have the control. It's my career.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
That's selfish not I don't know, but yeah, I had
a fear of getting shoulder tapped and saying it's time
to move on.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
So I'm glad I had it my way.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Who's the best batsman you bowl to?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
My brother probably wants me to say him. It would
be his combination. I remember on a session and Hydrabad
and the Test match forty one degrees. I think had
a bit of a dodgy tummy. Doug Bracelew went down
with cramps, which he is not too proud of. But
it was a combination of obviously intimidation, a crowd of
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forty thousand people watching. It's just an amazing experience. So
session would obviously be up there. Chris Gail was a
guy that I loved bowling to. Just the character of
the game, intimidating, ridiculously powerful, but it just had some
great memories. The ball swung around a couple of times
to him and I wanted to say I was all
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over him, and then he just finds a way to
get it done.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So I'd say Session and Chris Gale would be the
top two.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Have you bowled to Kane?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I bought a cane about three hours ago, so I've
bowlded him a lot. Yeah, one of the guys I
love bolling to in the nets because he's just got
so much time.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
There's a great feedback. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
The guys a serious talent and works so so hard,
but yeah, it's always a good battle. The bowlers love
bowling to him too because they can bounce the heck
out of him and he doesn't mind.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He loves it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Who have you bowled to? Who saw the ball earliest?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I bowed a bouncer to Caine yesterday and he asked
me was that scene up? So he must be able
to see it pretty early that he can see the
scene coming down on one of my bouncers, So yeah,
I'd say Caine had a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Differently, I asked him the same question once. You'll be
surprised at the answer he gave me. Jesse Ryder, Yeah,
you reckon. No one saw the ball earlier than Jesse.
What a waste could you seem? Cricket?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
That guy was I know, yeah he was well, he
was playing my test taboo against Australia at Hobart. He
was in at eleven and played a lot of a
cricket with Jesse and I remember him at the Alan
Border Oval which is in Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
That was a New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It was black Caps versus Australia A and they were
trying to pick their fourth seema for the series coming up.
So it was Stark Patterson. I don't think it was Hazelwood,
Ben Cutting and Jesse. There was a world record innings.
He had eighteen sixes, seventeen sixers I think in the
first class game. He got two hundred and sixteen in
that in that game and he just had so much time.
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They just kept bouncing him and he kept hidden them
further and further. It was one of the most amazing
innings I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, staggering ability, such a waste. What about bowlers? Who's
the bowler that you've stood back and thought, hell he is?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Something else I want to touch on Dale. I've always
idolized him.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Similar builds, kind of short dudes, but just the ability
to have a great action, great technique was one hundred
and forty five k swings the ball. South Afreck is
a great place to bowl. I think you're always in it.
There is a bowler, but the guy around the world
can get it done. And I remember the first time
I saw him bowl live was when we went to
Cape Town in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It was when Bears took over to the captain. See
Ross didn't come.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
It was a messy situation and I was like, I'm
just so keen to see Dale staying bowl and the
first ball, I don't know how it didn't kill Martin Gupdel,
but the second ball took us outside edge and we
got bowled out for forty five. So it was a
horrible experience. But yeah, that guy was one of my
favorite bowlers of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Did he move the ball off the track as well
as in the air.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yep, and could reverse swing the ball, and then he
had the pace as well that he could just flick
a switch and ramp it up. And you know, we
know South African's their competitors, and he was definitely one
of those guys that just gave you nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Who else It was a great combination.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I used to love watching him was em bowl obviously
never played against them. Jim in de Vas was a big,
big idle of mind being the left armor could move the.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Ball very well.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Modern day bowlers, i'd have to say b as a freak.
No one can get near how good he is at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, Pat comings a great bowler as well, gets it
done in all conditions. And these guys have just got
ways of kind of you know, getting better and better
at each tour. And I think that's a great mindset
and a great recipe for a good fast bowler.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
When you look at the whole question of a young
fast bowler coming through, and I want you to think
about somebody age, say thirteen fourteen, and you're the coach,
what are you going to tell him to do?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, maybe not at thirteen, but it's about enjoyment at
that age. It's about you know, the kid's got to
want to be out one, to be out there and
doing it. My son's just taken up cricket and I'm
not forcing it on him.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
He's my oldest son. He's six, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
And they stand around in a circle and move from
cone to cone and they get to face two balls
each and bold sex balls each, and then they move
on and you know, he kind of doesn't touch the
ball for two hours, and I thought, how did I
do this?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
When I was a kid? You know what motivated me
to do this?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I had an older brother who I just loved playing
cricket within the backyard. So that's where a lot of
my memories have come from around cricket. But you've got
to want a kid. You've got to want kids to
want to be out there, and then as they get older,
they've got to appreciate that. You know, there's I always
love the quote that there's no substitute for hard work.
It's about putting in the yards. It's about wanting to
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get better, get stronger, get fitter, and it's about, yeah,
wanting it. So that can't be something that can be
forced from someone telling you it. It's got to come
from within. So I hope the idols have inspired them
to want it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Basically, see, I think times change. You're a kid on
your fishing, you've got a boat called line and length.
And then on the basis of that, if you're talking
about say a fifteen year old and he's a reasonably
quick bowler. In the old days, they used to be
told no, son, you buy loan you bowl line and length.
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I was in my school teaching days at Takapuna Grammar.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
And there was a.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Little sawn off kid running around with a big mouth,
and I watched him in the nets and I thought,
you're the best I've got here. And you know you're
not even in the squad. I just arrived at the
school and I said to Danny Morrison, mate, don't worry
about where it goes. Just bowl as quick as you
can and put a smile on your dial. And I think,
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I think that that's what you do with them. I
think we overdo this line and length thing. I think
you can learn that discipline later.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But let them fly.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Let the thing go when you're young.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yep. And like I said, the game is changing and
twenty twenty cricket.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
The more you know, what's the word uniqueness or abnormality
or variation in the action, the more successful you are.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Look at a couple of actions going around to the world.
At the moment, you know, when.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Malinga came on the scene, everyone was like, what has
happened here? So embrace the uniqueness because no one's going
to bowl how eyebowl. No one bowls how tim bowls
everyone's going to have a leg that goes that way
and an arm that goes a bit too high that way.
So yeah, if we've got any pace, let's embrace the pace. Basically,
Lucky Ferguson would be a big fan of that, that's
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for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Do you ever get annoyed by the lack of knowledge
of cricket by the New Zealand media.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No, I don't because I don't care. Yeah, and same
thing the opinions of you know, the general public anyone.
Everyone's going to have different opinions and you appreciate it.
People like to compare errors. You can't compare erarors. It's
just one of those things. I'm a member at the
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Omacro Golf Club and it's an aging club. I'm sure
they won't mind me saying that, but they give it
to me every day. Why an't you and Tri Lanka?
Why aren't you in India? And this, this and this
and Yeah, you're never going to please everyone, and I'm
not here to please anyone's opinion.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
If you had to pick out the highlight of your career,
what would it be.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
It'll be my test debut and my first test wicket
of mister.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Cricket Michael Hussey, and then it would be the World
Test Championship when I saw two of our greatest players
Canaan Roscoe. I've never been that nervous actually chased down
one hundred and forty odd, I think it was. But
to get that done and just at that moment of winning,
I think was great.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well, I can recall vividly the first time I saw
your bowl, and I've had a lot of things wrong
in my broadcasting career, but I wasn't wrong on the
fact that you always when you were at your best,
you flowed and you glided. And the very first time
I saw you at Eden Park that happened and it
was just something that stuck and I thought, hell, we're
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going into a new era. And indeed that was the case.
Congratulations on what's been a brilliant career, and a few
years ago yet I would suggest.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, still definitely a lot more overs in the tank.
And it's an interesting part of my life, to be honest.
It's I said to someone the other day. It was
probably someone at the bank when I was trying to
lend the money. But it feels like I'm going into
my retirement years of sixty seven and I'm a little
bit older than I am, but no, I just had
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to take a step back and go all right, I'm
only thirty five.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I've been a lot more time here and yeah, no,
I still love it.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
As long as I love the feeling of getting people out,
I'm going to still keep playing.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
So you'll still see me for a while. Mate.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Thanks for the time, love talking to you. We'll have
that game of golf soon.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Thanks Mary.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi Murray Deeker here, Welcome to my podcast, Murray Deeker's
Sporting Lives. During my career, I've spent over forty years
interviewing the biggest names in sport and I'm thrilled to
bring you this podcast, talking to sporting legends, giving you
a look at their world, to hear their memories, their
stories and their opinion. And some are as close. So
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it's only right we turn our attention to cricket this episode,
I'm joined by one of our best ever placement, a
man who announced earlier this year that he played his
last game for New Zealand. Today, I'm joined by Trent Bolt.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Gold Sport presents Murray Deeker's Sporting Lives with Callaway.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Trent Bolt is one of the best left arm fast
bowlers in the history of the game. His record of
five and eighty eight international wickets not only shows his class,
but also his durability is versatility. He's able to succeed
in all three formats of the game. Intruder course is
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renowned for his ability to swing the ball both ways.
He joins, us, are we ever going to see you
play for New Zealand again?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Five and eighty one appearances, eight wickets, Oh wickets, Okay, Yeah,
I've had some incredible times in the black jersey, great memories.
But in terms of my international career, I think it
is over. Actually, I don't think you'll see me in
the in the black uniform ever again. But yeah, I've
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looked back on it fondly and I owe a lot
of those experiences to the success that I've had. Really,
and yeah, it's I feel like I've moved on, really
and it's time to move forward. And yeah, hand the
batton over to the next generation.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Ready, I'd retired from doing sports talk on Newstalks. He'd
be at the stage when England were touring here. If
I had been on, I would have had a field day,
not a field day on the fact that you were
living two hundred and fifty meters away from the ground,
they didn't have an opening attack and you were doing
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Diddley Squad and you were available to play. What the
hell was all that about?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, Well, obviously the decisions I made to handback my contract, Yeah,
look to play franchise crecret around the world, spend a.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Bit more time at home.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
It came with not consequences, but it was told to
me that I'd never play Test cricket again if I
ever well, if I was to go down that path,
and there were some pretty stern words from New Zealand Cricket. Yep,
there was an interesting process. But yeah, I don't think
I've ever told me on this, but no one has
ever played Test cricket for New Zealand that doesn't have
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a contract. Well this was two years ago, so yeah,
they stuck to that word. They were never going to
pick me. It was a shame I wanted to play.
I just got back from Dubai. I had been bowling,
I had been playing, and obviously, but yeah, they they
stood strong on that stance and yeah, obviously didn't select
me to play. But how times have changed now other
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guys have handed back contracts and.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Look at what we've got. We've got certain players playing
Test cricket without contracts.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So yeah, the game is moving forward and it's moving
forward pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Did they give you a reason for their decision.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
To not pack me.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, it's just purely that no one's ever played Test
CRECT for New Zealand. It doesn't have a contract, So.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, that was the wording.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
One of the big questions facing top players now is
going to be franchise prioritization. Most players are opting to
focus on the lucrative franchise leagues over national duties. Is
it a no brainer?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I think it's a hard question, Murray.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It's I've always respected and obviously appreciated the international game.
It plays a huge role in the platform to moving
into franchise world. You'll one hundred percent see players try
to take it on and fail.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
The franchise world can be extremely fickle.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
There's a lot of players out there that are lying
for certain spots and you can quickly become you know,
yesterday's news with a couple of bair performances. So the
international game plays a huge role in demand in the
franchise world. But yeah, things are just popping up everywhere now.
There's there's leagues in America, Zimbabwe, Scotland. T ten is
becoming an ether a growing kind of concept of cricket,
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and yeah, we all understand that people want to see results,
they want to see crowds, they want to see quick games.
But yeah, I think you've got to be good enough
to at the offers and b you've got to be
even better to hold onto them.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So yeah, it's a tough question.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
The other issue is the significant gap in earnings between
players from the bigger nations compared with those from the
smaller nations. Now I've read I'm not asking you how
much you're worth, but I've read where you're estimated worth
is five million, while amparable player from Australia, like Mitchell Stark,
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his net worth is five times higher. What can be done?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh, Mitchell Stark's a lot better than me. No, that's
that's a tough question obviously, Man, when do you start.
It's almost comparing apples to oranges. In my opinion, Australia cricket.
Australia is a powerhouse of the world. The BCCI Indian
Indian cricket is a powerhouse of the world. That's who
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people want to see play, That's who people pay to
see play. The stadiums, TV rights, timing around the world.
You know, all these things pay or play into the
whole factor. I'd love to see match fees be consistent
around the world. The West Indian cricket team gets paid
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x amount when they play the same team. You're playing
the same team on the same game, same day.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
But it's the way the world works. I think you're
never gonna get.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know, the Scottish players or whoever paid the same
as Robert Chalmer. Robert Charmer owns a lot of money
because he's the biggest player in the world, very coldly,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So it's a hard one.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
But yeah, whatever work can be done to get it
as close to even as possible or fear, I think
it would be a good step in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
How would they go about doing that, Well.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They've tried by having future tour programs and making sure
everyone paid, you know, plays similar teams and whatever. But
I don't know, and he Ze cricket seem to always
be paying. We're playing Sri Lanka and the West Indies
and Pakistan come every year.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think they've tried to put the future to a
program in place, but yeah, at the end of the day,
money speaks and the people want to see England take
on Australia and the ashes, they want to see India
play Australia and the border Gaviscar Trophy or whatever it is.
So yeah, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Let's put those two aside, the ashes and the Gavascar
Border one and then ask the question with all the
franchise cricket, the interest in it, has test cricket, got
a future.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Test cricket around the world, has a future descricket in
New Zealand? I really question it. We know it costs
a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Don't quote me on any numbers, but I think it's
half a million dollars a test to put on in
New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We've got no permanent grounds. We have to close down grounds,
we have to put up temporary stands.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
We've got scaffolding, we've got temporary fencing, we've got red
badge security higher.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It all adds up.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And then to top it off, it's on at ten
am in the morning, when it's four am in India
where everyone watches it, so we understand geographically we've got issues.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I look back on that World Test Championship campaign and
people will say, oh, we didn't play so and so,
we didn't do this, But that is up there with
one of the most you know, impressive sporting achievements in
New Zealand history. I think to take on the world
and Test cricket and play India in a final at
a neutral venue, they can't give any better than that,
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and I don't think New Zealand cricket will ever get
back to a standard of that. That is one of
the most phenomenal achievements. Probably speaking biasedly because I was involved,
but it was pretty good and it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Didn't get the recognition that it should have got nationally.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Do you agree it was horrible? It was COVID.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
We came back and sat in the Seaboll Hotel just
by Rainbows in there and watched the what's it called
the Giant Drop. We stuck up at the what a
way like it would have been awesome to have a
bit of a homecoming parade and whatever. But yeah, that
was a phenomenal achievement. Yeah, that's something I look back
on very proudly. It'd be definitely the proudest moment I've
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had in the Black Cap. But we won't get back
to that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
No chance.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm going to run this past you. There are a
lot more people play cricket and watch cricket than those
that play and watch rugby union. When New Zealand wins
the World Cup, they knight the coach who was the
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Who was the coach who was running the Test team
that won the World Championship And when was he knighted?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, jeez, I won't stand on that. Yeah, let's that's.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Oh, we know how patriotic we are towards rugby and
the All Blacks and we're a rugby nation.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I fully understand that, but.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, it's not something I need to have the big
recognition and you know, the parade coming home.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
But I just hope, yeah, people know that, not just me, but.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
The whole group are very proud of that accomplishment of
you know, winning that inaugural World Test Championship.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I hope it stays around.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I hope it is a good way of getting people
involved in following Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But again it's not right. England have played seventeen Tests
whereas New Zealand have played five.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Now I think and I think we're fourth. We're probably
not now after losing to Sri Lanka. But it's a
hard one to follow. But yeah, its a proud moment
to win it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You see, I stop and look back at that period
and the extraordinary defeat when the ball hit the bat
and went away for three or four runs. I forget
how many in the fifty over game, then you win
the Test series. We've never been as high as that.
We're on statistic anyway. People talk about the Great Hadley era,
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and fair enough they talk about Martin Crow's era, Steven Flemings,
but this was the ultimate, really you agree?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, once again, it's hard to comment because I've been
involved in that era, but yeah, well, the guys definitely
respect the generations that have been before, the players that
have been before. And you know, I'm a big role
model kind of guy, and you know the likes of
the cricketers that I've grown up idolizing. Shane Bond was
a big hero of mine. I know, Ross Taylor speaks
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obviously very high of Martin Crow, the late Martin Crow,
and there's a lot of pride and following those guys,
and there are some very proud people of New Zealand cricket.
And yeah, it's been a very very successful era through
Brendan's captaincy and they're moving into Kane and these these
guys are once in a generation types of players. So
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I hope they've inspired more to to want to pick
up for bat and ball and New Zealand cricket can
rebuild and be in a great place, and it's going
to be an interesting one that I'm going to follow
definitely very closely.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
But very proud of my time in the Black Cat
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
What were the fact Does it influence your decision to
opt out of a central contract in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I'd have to check my press statement that I released
at the time, but I remember being in the hotel
room and the Caribbean. I've been on the road for
about six and a half months. Just had our third child.
Out of the three boys, I'd had maybe two birthdays
across the five or six years, and I just had enough, Murray,
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I was sick of being on the road. You know,
the cricketers, when you're playing all formats can spend kind
of ten to eleven months on the road and raising
the young family. And you know, I spoke about role
models briefly. I want to be a role model to
my kids and I want to be around and I
want to be around the more so. The combination of
those factors a good opportunity to go forward, and then lastly,
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I just really wanted to have the control of making
that decision myself rather than someone telling me I had
to move on.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So yeah, made the decision to move on.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Still had ambitions are playing for New Zealand and wanted
to contribute, which I was lucky enough to do, and
a couple of WORL cups post that decision. But yeah,
no regrets from my end. I've happily moved on.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You see, we've seen cricket go through the issue of
coming to grips with franchise and people playing that we're
now seeing it happening in rugby union. Even if the
I was going to say buff Ed's in Wellington, but
that could be liablius. I don't know who knows, but
they are buff Eds. If they haven't worked out that
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they've got to be playing players based overseas for the
All Blacks, then we've got a problem on our hands.
But you would think that they would have learned from
cricket because cricket struggled with this then finally has accepted it.
Would you like to see all blacks overseas available for
our national team?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
This is going to test my rugby knowledge. But don't
the rugby players do sabbaticals. They're allowed to go away
and play.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They are, but if they have not accepted that and
have done what you did with the contract, they're out
of it.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, it's a hard one, and yeah, there's probably stuff
to learn from cricketers making decisions. I think it's hard
to compare cricket to rugby, especially the All Blacks. What
would the All Blacks play a year? They'd probably play
fourteen tests?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, fifteen tests a year. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Cricketers are playing what fifty sixty seventy games? Yeah, And
like I said, cricketers are away. If they play every format,
you can be away for yeah, ten months at least
a year. So I think these different things that would
be influencing decisions of players taking not franchise opportunities. But
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I think the golden rule would be to have your
best team playing, wouldn't it be you want your best
players available when possible, So negotiating that negotiating that process
will be different for obviously different individuals, but it's a
process that you just have to take. We want Kin
Williamson for instant playing as much cricket for New Zealand
as possible. That guy's got at least eight years left
of cricket batting to New Zealand and I'm sure the
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public want to see that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And when you look at the Rugby World Cup, South
Africa has most of its team now playing in Europe.
They win the thing we don't. To me, it's a
no brainer.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You picked your best team, Pick your best team, pick
your best players.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Remote I find it fascinating that this issue of playing
for a franchise you know, and what it's like to
be playing with the great players from overseas. Do you
just know Glyn and straight away you get on pretty well.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I think my first obviously taste of franchise cricket would
be the IPL, and I've been lucky enough to play
ten seasons in the IPL. Twenty fifteen was my first
contract and one of the most unique experiences ever. Obviously
getting auctioned off there's a player seeing what people want
to pay for you to play for their team, but
then the opportunity to share dressing rooms with players you've
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obviously competed against and then equally idolized, and another huge
idol for me was Dale Stain and I got to
open the bowling with them at Sunrise's Hydrabad twenty fifteen
when I was well, yeah, twenty five, twenty four, and
it was just phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I just couldn't you know.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
It was like an outer body experience to be running
and he's handing the ball to me at mid off
and mid on and stuff. And I think it's one
of the best things about cricket, getting the opportunity to
learn and share and experience kind of different cultures, see
the way other players do it. And then even more
so over the last couple of years, you know, I've
been in dressing rooms with some of the best batters
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in the world T twenty players I'm talking about, and
just a very cool opportunity. I think it can be
quite lonely sometimes when there's not a lot of New
Zealanders slash friends that I've played a lot of cricket
with over the years.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That's probably been a big challenge over the last wee while.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
But yeah, at the end of the day, it's a
game that I've been so fortunate to play, very very
lucky to have all these opportunities, and I'm just trying
to make the most of every occasion really, because yeah,
you could wake up one day and it could be
all done. So yeah, that's my motto at the moment.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Let's go back and have a look at your Test
cricket highlights six for thirty against Sri Lanka and christ
Church in twenty eighteen. Some people describe that as your
best test performance. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I wouldn't say it was my best.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I remember I didn't do too well on day one,
I think it was, and then day two we came
back and it was a different breeze and a bit
of overcats conditions and the ball was just moving around
as it does and test for it, Yeah, I think
it all happen very quickly there. But yeah, best Test
performances test memories would be my first Test I got
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a ten for against the West Indies, which was probably
one of my favorite. Yeah, my one and only Temper's
favorite performances. But it's hard to say which one was
the best. But yeah, seventy nine appearances, it was some
pretty good memories.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Auckland six for thirty two and Tim bold Well at
the other end and the poems were out for fifty eight.
I could still get the grid off the face on
that one.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I forgot about that one. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
There was another good one. I mean Tim wouldn't give
the ball to Wags. He was pretty angry about that.
But yeah, no, we pushed through the whole innings. Well
it was a short innings twelve overs or something and
got it done. And yeah, Sir Richard was very quick
to get on the text and say how proud he
was of that, and it was definitely a very cool memory.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was a great day six for sixty eight against
the Poms in Auckland in twenty thirteen. You really came
on strong that year.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was very early.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, it was probably only eighteen months twenty two years
into my career that so, yeah, I used to love
Test cricket, the challenge of the different conditions, the fitness,
the physicality, waking up each morning not being able to
touch your toes and just getting out there. And as
a great Test came down to the last ball another
tie against England, so didn't quite get there, but it
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was great memories.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
The twenty fifteen World Cup and you're the leading wicket
taker of the tournament. Did that place a premium on
your value for franchise cricket.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That would be, yeah, the kickstarter of my white ball
career really, that was. I remember that leading into the
World Cup twenty fifteen World Cup whether i'd be in
contention to make the fifteen and I don't quote me,
but probably played half a dozen white ball games for
New Zealand. At that stage they were pretty settled with
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Soudykyle Mills, Mitchell Mcinigan had a great odio record, Adam
Milne was around. Yeah, so that fifth spot was up
for grabs and I managed to grab it. I got
a fire for against South Africa in a warm up
game before the World Cup and then I don't know
if that got me the selection, but from there I
was just straight in and I never really let.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It go from there. And I loved the idio cricket.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I really enjoyed obviously all the World Cup campaigns I've
been a part of. But audio cricket is such a
physical game. I reckon the bat is a just coming
at you the whole time. You've got to be so accurate.
You've got to have the ability to.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Innovate and try to stay head of the batsman. And
that World Cup twenty fifteen. The balls never.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Swung like that before and some of the spells that
to me, bold a lot of the balls throughout that
tournament was it was great to watch. That's what I
lies when I was a cat watching you know, the
wazzi akrums, the Timanda vases, moved the ball around.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It was big motivation. So for me to be out
there doing that, it was very very cool.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Gold Sport presents Murray Digger's sporting lives with Callaway.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I know you're playing a bit of golf at the moment.
So is getting a hat trick like a hole in one?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I haven't had a hole in one, Murray, but yeah,
I've had a couple of hat tricks and that was
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But I think you've got a hat trick against Australia.
That has to be the older team to get a
hat trick against, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
At Lord's too, Yeah, that's good fun. Yeah, and the
World Cup too. Both my kids were there. It was yeah, good,
good memory.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Ste what happened? Who are who are the batsman? You
got out?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Kawaja was the first I remember Boldham kind of below
his feet. He was on about eighty o. It was
going into the into the end, so I wish it
was in the first over, but I don't want to
be too greedy.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And then it was my old Mitchell Stark gave him
a bit of taste of his own medicine, apparently Mitchell
what's his name in Smith said on the commentary.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And then it was Berendorf.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I Reckon came out to face the second or last ball,
so a couple of bolts and in LBW So it
was good.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Memories, fantastic. How do you adapt your bowling approach for
the different formats of Test cricket on the one hand,
and the two forms of limited over cricket.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I think they had two sides to it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think the fitness and the ability and desire to
want to keep coming back each spell and Test cricket.
Test cricket is just purely about patience and accuracy. It's
about giving the batsman nothing once again. The game is
evolving with players trying to hit the ball further, you know,
up the run rate, as we experienced with bas ball
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was probably my last Test series actually a couple of
years ago. So yeah, Test cricket's a hard thing. It's
always a game when you feel like you're in the
game when the ball's swinging, But the challenge is how
can you be effective when the ball's not swinging or moving?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
So that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
You have to adapt your game for conditions around the
world what the ball's doing. But yeah, you can only
obviously understand moving into parts of the subcontinent or into
the Caribbean Dubai playing on these sand outfields and absolute
road wickets.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's a good challenge.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
But yeah, some of the challenges that the Bawling group,
the guys that I've played with over the years, man,
we took a lot of pride and trying to take
twenty wickets and getting the job done for the boys.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Well, one of the things that you'll always be remembered
for is a partnership, and often we don't talk about
partners is Hadley and Chatfield is one that stands out
to me. But then you go through the next lot
and I can't sort of think who the partner for
Dion Nash was, But by Jove's everybody will always know
who you are partner was. Are you good mates with Tim?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Great mates?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yep, nine each other since we were fifteen or so. Yeah,
he was always a year ahead of me and a
little bit bigger than me, so he progressed a.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Little bit quicker. He had a couple of nineteen Wheel.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Cups, and I remember my first World Cup was in
Kawala Limpol, which was a great side came was involved
in a few other great players for New Zealand and
Tim was just making as international debut at that time,
so everyone was a little bit scared of him. I wasn't,
of course, but yeah, it was just a friendship that
grew because of our roles. Obviously, bowlers spent a lot
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of time together, and yeah, something that was just never
forced really in terms of the partnership worked very naturally.
That he moved the ball away from right handed batsman
through the air, and obviously I moved it back into
the right handed batsman. And I enjoyed bowling left handers,
He enjoyed bowl into right handers, and yeah, we just
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took a lot of pride and going out there and
going all right, let's get it done, and obviously backed
up very nicely across the year, from across the years,
from from other players, and obviously I'd love to mention
Waggy with the relationship that we have as a as
a three, the memories that we've shared in the change
the rooms and you know, some of our test factories
we've looked back with great, great memories.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And Weggs was a guy that always.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We'll say he was never as naturally gifted as other players,
but and that guy had a heart of a lion
and he would just keep coming and keep coming. And
he developed his game to obviously start bowling short and
bowl short for five days in a row.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Innovate, try to be competitive and make make the game
tough for opposition, and that's what we would do. So
it was a great balance of skill sets and yeah,
been great fun.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
We've done well out of the South Africa as we've
picked up to play for New Zealand, haven't. We don't
tell him that well bj watleg as well.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, yeap obviously born in Britain, South Africa. Devon has
obviously made the move over. But yeah, I know Waggy's
story has got a book coming out. I've been of
plug that actually all out. It's killed, It's coming out soon. Yeah,
talks about his journey he moved out of here twenty
years ago and Yeah, it's been the best decision of
his life.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So good on them.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You've played now in a number of the different T
twenty leagues around the world. Tell us about those and
how they differ.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yep, experienced.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, the IPL would obviously be the forefront of those things.
I've never experienced anything like playing cricket in India and
then going again playing for an Indian team eighty percent
of them, the local players, sharing his dressing room, the
different languages, the food, everything else that comes with it,
but then stepping out into the ground, sold out crowds
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every time. It's phenomenal experience. Obviously, the franchise world is developing,
with leagues in America, South Africa, one hundred in England.
Big Bess has been around a while and yet cricket
has followed. It's followed all around the world. It's a
great chance to learn and understand how different players played
the game, different coaches coach and in the last couple
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of years, I've really enjoyed it. It's been a good experience,
new friendships and yeah, kids and family have been with
me the whole way. It's been a very proud moment
actually my career.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
On occasions you've spoken out about controversial issues. Now, Look,
you didn't hold back on the Australian ball tampering scandal,
did you.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, basically you said that anybody could see what they
were doing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
But what do you remember? You're saying.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Reverse swing, reverse swing the dying art. I don't know
how to reverse swing the ball, so I can't say
too much. But yeah, that's a thing where.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I don't know if you can get the ball reverse
swinging or you definitely can't get the ball reverse swinging legally,
and that's a lot say definitely can't these days. You're
not obviously a lot to split on the ball now,
so you can't even shine the ball. So yeah, I
don't know how anyone reverse swings the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, I've heard the story about a New Zealand player
playing in Pakistan who grabbed a bottle top as he
was going out onto the field and ripped one side
off the ball and that one reverse swe all over
the place and he ended up. I think he might
have got six or seven wickets that day, but he
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would deny it. But the guy who was in the
team told me his story. I think you need to
say caring if you come back the odd bottle top
around you in your trout and you can be reversed
wigging them very quickly.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I'll get one out of I'll get one out of
my golf bag.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, fair enough. How prevalent is match fixinggan cricket?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, real thing. It's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Really be a little bit different in this part of
the world down here in New Zealand, but yes, it's
definitely a big I guess you're going around.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
The world when you say it's everywhere. How does it
take place?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I can't tell you from experience, but.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, anyone's trying to make money on any part of
the game, really, total scored, boundary scored, how people get out,
who's going to win the toss, who's playing. There's all
sorts of ways to make money. I suppose one of
the things.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
About cricket is that we always have plenty of time
to discuss things, and you'd have had plenty of time
to discuss this with guys. What is the feeling of
players towards it. Are they worried about it or do
they just see it as being part of the modern game.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I think they're conscious of it. Obviously not worried. The
game's very very well protected, the international game especially. This
guy's working around the clock around the world trying to
keep this out of our game. Really, so there's no
worry from the players, but definitely an awareness that things
can happen.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And when you say there are guys working non stop,
but I forget the name of the bloke who comes
to New Zealand from time to time. But there are inspectors,
aren't there Guys who are investigating.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
For want of a term, yeah, and observing, keeping an
eye on operations. They'll be at every game international pictures.
There's an anti coruption officer at every game, so you
know his role was to watch guys in the crowd,
make sure no one's got phones around the changing room
and the players and match officials area. I think it's
called yeah, oversees everything. So yeah, the game is very
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very well protected. You can appreciate that. The Cricket World
Cup is, i think, after the Football Wall Cup, one
of the most watched sporting events in the world. So
you know there's a lot of places, a lot of
protocols and procedures in place to make sure the game's
clean and played in the right spirit, but you've.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Never been approached yourself never yeh. And I look at
you know, two of our great players, both guys that
I've got a lot of time for, Chris Kians and Bears,
and the bad will that is now between them because
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of vacuizations and things. You don't need it in sport,
do You.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Don't need it in sport and you don't need it
ten years down the track, yes, yeah, it's I don't
know too much about it, but it's yeah, you just
don't need it really. So there's a new time, the
ICL almost franchise cricket coming out, so the game was
changing there.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
So hopefully we don't have any experiences with the way
the game is moving at the moment.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
But yeah, something you definitely don't want brought up kind
of a dozen years down the track.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Gold Sport presents Murray Digga's sporting lives with Callaway.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I wonder if you're thinking that you've finished your international
career too early.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I definitely could still be playing international cricket. I know
that much, but yeah, I don't want to be. I
am happy with the decisions I've made. I'm very proud
of the moments I've had in the Black Cap, and
like I touched on briefly before, I wanted to make
the decision.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I wanted to have the control. It's my career.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
That's selfish not I don't know, but yeah, I had
a fear of getting shoulder tapped and saying it's time
to move on.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
So I'm glad I had it my way.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Who's the best batsman you bowl to?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
My brother probably wants me to say him. It would
be his combination. I remember on a session and Hydrabad
and the Test match forty one degrees. I think had
a bit of a dodgy tummy. Doug Bracelew went down
with cramps, which he is not too proud of. But
it was a combination of obviously intimidation, a crowd of
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forty thousand people watching. It's just an amazing experience. So
session would obviously be up there. Chris Gail was a
guy that I loved bowling to. Just the character of
the game, intimidating, ridiculously powerful, but it just had some
great memories. The ball swung around a couple of times
to him and I wanted to say I was all
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over him, and then he just finds a way to
get it done.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So I'd say Session and Chris Gale would be the
top two.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Have you bowled to Kane?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I bought a cane about three hours ago, so I've
bowlded him a lot. Yeah, one of the guys I
love bolling to in the nets because he's just got
so much time.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
There's a great feedback. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
The guys a serious talent and works so so hard,
but yeah, it's always a good battle. The bowlers love
bowling to him too because they can bounce the heck
out of him and he doesn't mind.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He loves it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Who have you bowled to? Who saw the ball earliest?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I bowed a bouncer to Caine yesterday and he asked
me was that scene up? So he must be able
to see it pretty early that he can see the
scene coming down on one of my bouncers, So yeah,
I'd say Caine had a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Differently, I asked him the same question once. You'll be
surprised at the answer he gave me. Jesse Ryder, Yeah,
you reckon. No one saw the ball earlier than Jesse.
What a waste could you seem? Cricket?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
That guy was I know, yeah he was well, he
was playing my test taboo against Australia at Hobart. He
was in at eleven and played a lot of a
cricket with Jesse and I remember him at the Alan
Border Oval which is in Brisbane.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
That was a New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It was black Caps versus Australia A and they were
trying to pick their fourth seema for the series coming up.
So it was Stark Patterson. I don't think it was Hazelwood,
Ben Cutting and Jesse. There was a world record innings.
He had eighteen sixes, seventeen sixers I think in the
first class game. He got two hundred and sixteen in
that in that game and he just had so much time.
(35:40):
They just kept bouncing him and he kept hidden them
further and further. It was one of the most amazing
innings I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, staggering ability, such a waste. What about bowlers? Who's
the bowler that you've stood back and thought, hell he is?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Something else I want to touch on Dale. I've always
idolized him.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Similar builds, kind of short dudes, but just the ability
to have a great action, great technique was one hundred
and forty five k swings the ball. South Afreck is
a great place to bowl. I think you're always in it.
There is a bowler, but the guy around the world
can get it done. And I remember the first time
I saw him bowl live was when we went to
Cape Town in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
It was when Bears took over to the captain. See
Ross didn't come.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
It was a messy situation and I was like, I'm
just so keen to see Dale staying bowl and the
first ball, I don't know how it didn't kill Martin Gupdel,
but the second ball took us outside edge and we
got bowled out for forty five. So it was a
horrible experience. But yeah, that guy was one of my
favorite bowlers of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Did he move the ball off the track as well
as in the air.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yep, and could reverse swing the ball, and then he
had the pace as well that he could just flick
a switch and ramp it up. And you know, we
know South African's their competitors, and he was definitely one
of those guys that just gave you nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Who else It was a great combination.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I used to love watching him was em bowl obviously
never played against them. Jim in de Vas was a big,
big idle of mind being the left armor could move the.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Ball very well.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Modern day bowlers, i'd have to say b as a freak.
No one can get near how good he is at
the moment.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, Pat comings a great bowler as well, gets it
done in all conditions. And these guys have just got
ways of kind of you know, getting better and better
at each tour. And I think that's a great mindset
and a great recipe for a good fast bowler.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
When you look at the whole question of a young
fast bowler coming through, and I want you to think
about somebody age, say thirteen fourteen, and you're the coach,
what are you going to tell him to do?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, maybe not at thirteen, but it's about enjoyment at
that age. It's about you know, the kid's got to
want to be out one, to be out there and
doing it. My son's just taken up cricket and I'm
not forcing it on him.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
He's my oldest son. He's six, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
And they stand around in a circle and move from
cone to cone and they get to face two balls
each and bold sex balls each, and then they move
on and you know, he kind of doesn't touch the
ball for two hours, and I thought, how did I
do this?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
When I was a kid? You know what motivated me
to do this?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I had an older brother who I just loved playing
cricket within the backyard. So that's where a lot of
my memories have come from around cricket. But you've got
to want a kid. You've got to want kids to
want to be out there, and then as they get older,
they've got to appreciate that. You know, there's I always
love the quote that there's no substitute for hard work.
It's about putting in the yards. It's about wanting to
(38:46):
get better, get stronger, get fitter, and it's about, yeah,
wanting it. So that can't be something that can be
forced from someone telling you it. It's got to come
from within. So I hope the idols have inspired them
to want it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Basically, see, I think times change. You're a kid on
your fishing, you've got a boat called line and length.
And then on the basis of that, if you're talking
about say a fifteen year old and he's a reasonably
quick bowler. In the old days, they used to be
told no, son, you buy loan you bowl line and length.
(39:24):
I was in my school teaching days at Takapuna Grammar.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
And there was a.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Little sawn off kid running around with a big mouth,
and I watched him in the nets and I thought,
you're the best I've got here. And you know you're
not even in the squad. I just arrived at the
school and I said to Danny Morrison, mate, don't worry
about where it goes. Just bowl as quick as you
can and put a smile on your dial. And I think,
(39:54):
I think that that's what you do with them. I
think we overdo this line and length thing. I think
you can learn that discipline later.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But let them fly.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Let the thing go when you're young.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yep. And like I said, the game is changing and
twenty twenty cricket.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
The more you know, what's the word uniqueness or abnormality
or variation in the action, the more successful you are.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Look at a couple of actions going around to the world.
At the moment, you know, when.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Malinga came on the scene, everyone was like, what has
happened here? So embrace the uniqueness because no one's going
to bowl how eyebowl. No one bowls how tim bowls
everyone's going to have a leg that goes that way
and an arm that goes a bit too high that way.
So yeah, if we've got any pace, let's embrace the pace. Basically,
Lucky Ferguson would be a big fan of that, that's
(40:45):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Do you ever get annoyed by the lack of knowledge
of cricket by the New Zealand media.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No, I don't because I don't care. Yeah, and same
thing the opinions of you know, the general public anyone.
Everyone's going to have different opinions and you appreciate it.
People like to compare errors. You can't compare erarors. It's
just one of those things. I'm a member at the
(41:19):
Omacro Golf Club and it's an aging club. I'm sure
they won't mind me saying that, but they give it
to me every day. Why an't you and Tri Lanka?
Why aren't you in India? And this, this and this
and Yeah, you're never going to please everyone, and I'm
not here to please anyone's opinion.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
If you had to pick out the highlight of your career,
what would it be.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
It'll be my test debut and my first test wicket
of mister.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Cricket Michael Hussey, and then it would be the World
Test Championship when I saw two of our greatest players
Canaan Roscoe. I've never been that nervous actually chased down
one hundred and forty odd, I think it was. But
to get that done and just at that moment of winning,
I think was great.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well, I can recall vividly the first time I saw
your bowl, and I've had a lot of things wrong
in my broadcasting career, but I wasn't wrong on the
fact that you always when you were at your best,
you flowed and you glided. And the very first time
I saw you at Eden Park that happened and it
was just something that stuck and I thought, hell, we're
(42:27):
going into a new era. And indeed that was the case.
Congratulations on what's been a brilliant career, and a few
years ago yet I would suggest.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, still definitely a lot more overs in the tank.
And it's an interesting part of my life, to be honest.
It's I said to someone the other day. It was
probably someone at the bank when I was trying to
lend the money. But it feels like I'm going into
my retirement years of sixty seven and I'm a little
bit older than I am, but no, I just had
(43:00):
to take a step back and go all right, I'm
only thirty five.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I've been a lot more time here and yeah, no,
I still love it.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
As long as I love the feeling of getting people out,
I'm going to still keep playing.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
So you'll still see me for a while. Mate.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Thanks for the time, love talking to you. We'll have
that game of golf soon.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Thanks Mary.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That was the former New Zealand placement Trent Bolt. Delightful guy,
and I'm sure you enjoyed it. It was another episode
of Murray Deeca's Sporting Lives, brought to you by Callaway.
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