October 29, 2024 • 38 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney celebrate the success of Mitchell Santner in the second test against India and reflect on England’s loss in Pakistan. They also offer up their congratulations to the White Ferns for their achievements in the ODI series.
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hello, nice to have you on the front foot again.
History repeats itself for the black Caps on the Subcompany
thirty six years without a wound, then two in one
week certainly becomes the latest spin thread against players who
seemingly are reared from a young age on a diet
of spin bowling. Our white Ferns match the black Caps
if it were one day whining Adabad. Unfortunately they couldn't
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pull a victory off to win the series. And it
appears beswell doesn't always work when backing on it, Bunsen Burner, Well,
I've guaranteed a way for New Zealand to win the
third Test match. Peter Holland and Jeremy Kenney with me.
I've decided to pick India.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What chances have they got now? Surely? I mean a
cresting away.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Could you imagine? And we can put the rugby scenario
in here. If the All Blacks had lost twice to India,
what would be going on here? The post mortems in
this guy, you know, I mean the dark shroud would
be all over New Zealand, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I read a comment from Robert Chalmer that they weren't
going to do too much on post mortems. Maybe less
said was the better. I don't know. I mean, where
do you go with you? A few of them? I
mean my impression about this series was this was a
warm up for their upcoming series against Australia. I mean
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that's where their focus was.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, I think the interesting comment I heard Jerry and
we'll give them as Joe gary Stead's had some criticism,
but the one comment that he made that I thought
really covered well, we played better than them. And I
think that's simply the case, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Absolutely? And I think the important the point that you make.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
There will be bemused people around New Zealand who follow cricket,
won't they. Let's be honest about that. If you look
beyond what happened on the field of plays. Then it's
very difficult to explain rationally how and why.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
New Zealand did this.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
You appear into history and you see thirty six years
and something or the other last win and a million
years since playing in India and there's no series win.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And how many series has it been at home since?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Anybody has beaten them, even the well resourced teams, let
alone New Zealand. You know, teams like yeah, just with
money and large populations who have cricket and their culture,
lots of players to choose from you you can recreate
practices that are like Indian conditions and the best coaches
and it goes on, doesn't it. You know, other Asian
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teams and there's not much there to really say New
Zealand you're in with a series win, throwing their moderate
recent results. There's no real rational answer. And yet once
you start looking on the field of play, we have
played better and we should embrace that. That doesn't mean
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it lasts, but it means for the last two games
we've been the better side. I mean that first Test
win Bengaluru, I thought, okay, we had a weaver of
luck didn't we with the you know, having a bowl
first and our can ditions and then we grabbed it.
Bowlers did their job, we caught, we bought much better
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than we have recently, and you know, and we all know.
The game just carried on and India played a bit
better in the third innings, but then we came back
with a second new ball and got the runs in
the last innings.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Here.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't know what you guys thought. I thought this
was even a better win. It's the second Test.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And done with spin, which is something unusual for New Zealand.
Let's just talk about spin firstly. Well, Mitchell Senter may
come across as mister coole laid back is an understatement,
but he's realistic about the progress of his Test career
and he seems to enjoy his best performance with the ball.
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Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
It's obviously pretty pleasing. Yeah, I guess Test career for
me he has been I kind of in and out
and you know, I guess to get these conditions over
here and put in a I guess a shift like
that is pretty pleasing. But I guess to to do
it against India and I guess kind of beat them
at their own game. I guess that was the most
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pleasing thing for for us in that second Test anyway. Yeah,
I think like I think after the first Test, you know,
we we thought, you know, it was obviously a massive
achievement and we kind of had, you know, conditions that
were I guess suited to us in that kind of
first innings with the ball, and you know, I guess
we made the most of it. And and then I
guess coming here, we knew that it was going to
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be a different challenge altogether, you know, a classic kind
of Indian track where it'd be slow and you know,
take some turn later on and I guess to to
do that and putting you know, a good shift over
those three days. And you know, I guess the kind
of way we went about it, especially with the bat,
we kind of wanted to fire some shots at them
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and show that intent with the bat, and you know
that kind of you know, put us in such a
good position, especially if that first innings to so I
guess to try to squeeze them and take wickets. So
you know, I guess to do that against them. You know,
you know what they kind of do to everyone else
was the most pleasing thing.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Can you put your finger on the reason for success?
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah, I guess we had a lot of chats, you know,
as a spin unit. You know, we felt India may
have bowled a little bit quickly in their first innings,
and I guess it was really skidding on and we
tried to I think once we saw kind of Washington
and Ashvin slow it up a touch kind of under
that you know, ninety Klimeter mark. You know, it started
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to take some turns, so we kind of wanted to
kind of make that our stock and kind of go
either way from there. And I guess on a pitch
where not necessarily doing anything different, but one will skin
and one will spin, it just becomes an accuracy thing.
And that's all we try to do is just be accurate.
One hopefully spins and they nicke it or one skids
and it hits them in the pad, And you know,
I guess that's what the mode of the dismissal was
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throughout the whole test was either bold alb or nikops.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Did the pitch preparation backfire on them?
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yeah, I think it's it's it's an interesting one because
I think they have been so successful at doing that
for a long period of time, and I think you know,
we obviously as a spin unit, you know, back ourselves
when it is spinning. But you know, you've got three
world classmanners and their team that do very similar job
as well.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
So I think we.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Kind of knew that coming here that it might be
you know, more traditional Indian wicket where you know, I
guess they're trying to negate the bounce first of all
from you know, our big seamers. So that's I think
that's what's most pleasing about. I guess this one as
we kind of beat them at their own game, you know, Bangalore,
we kind of got the best of condition, especially at
the start, and but then after that it was it
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was a grind. And then coming here, you know, we
kind of outspun them and out kind of played them
in their own conditions.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Were you're expecting the kind of aggression they came with
at the top of the order.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah, I think it's still probably the best you know,
attack on on on these wickets we knew, I think
they knew, especially the new balls, probably the best time,
you know, it's about especially like the seams were setting
on even with the spin, it was more skiddy, and
then when the ball gets still about that at fifteen
twenty hour years old, it starts to take a bit
more turns.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
I think they knew that if they.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Could, you know, be aggressive and fire some shots, you know,
put us on the back foot, maybe get some sweepers
out less been around the bad and try you know,
rotate from there. But I think we knew with you know,
the score, we had it. You know, even if there
was a partnership, it can change very quickly over here.
And you know, I think it even showed, you know
yesterday where you know, I think they're flying and then
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you kind of get one, you get two, and you
can kind of start to squeeze again, and you know
it might have been different if you know, it might
have been only a two fifty kind of run lead.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
But yeah, pretty happy to have you know, through fifty
to bowl it.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
How important has Rangana here? I've been to the bowling lineup.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, he's been, he's been, he's been outstanding. To be fair,
you know, he's he's obviously done it for a long
time and you know he's obviously a world class left uspinner.
So I think, you know, you can get the likes
of these guys coming in and helping him, you know,
in similar conditions to what they've bowled their whole careers.
And so, you know, rang And I was one of
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the best that you know, has kind of subtle changes
of pace, but just landing it on the same spot
time and time again, and that's you know, that's kind
of the blueprint of what you need to do over here.
I think in the past we've come here and just
tried to bold fast into it, and you know, I
think the other day there was there was times we
kind of slowed up and then you know, go back
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to kind of buying fast. I think, you know, rang
And has been he's been outstanding and just trying to
keep it very simple for us. I know the guys
have personally enjoyed him as well.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Does he offer changes that you can make or is
he just reinforcing what you do?
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I think he's you know, he's first of all, he
kind of came in and just was kind of reinforcing.
And I think you know, there's you know over here,
I guess the subtle changes and field and you know,
different angles on the crease, you know, just to trying
to change kind of the batsman's approach. We speak about
trying to get you know, mid creast to wide and
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kind of vary you know, the release points on on
the crease and you know, just kind of having those
in outfields where over here it's you know, it's massive.
I think if you have every rue up, it's almost
an easy shot to bail out and hit over the top.
So it's kind of different catches in different spots with
you know, a few men back, and you know he's
he obviously did that for a long time in his career.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It seems from watching you bowl that's something important to
your style. The use of the crease and those changes
and the changes of pace seem to have been significant
in terms of we see the pace bowling on the screen.
How effective have you found that in those conditions, the
subtle changes that you talk about.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I think, I guess, depending on the bat in the surface,
I think i'd intentionally try to slow it up a
little bit to star for us, you know, because he's
very good at sweeping and those kind of square shots.
So I think, you know, taking the pace off and
I think might have been a little bit greedy at times.
Probably don't need a bowl seventy three seventy five, but
it's probably you know, kind of between the eighty and
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kind of low a's to kind of high.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Or maybe early nineties is probably the ideal.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
But I think, you know, depending on the surface, if
it is kind of going all the time, you kind
of all fast into it one or scared one will spin.
But I think there's a period there, especially in our
kind of first things, where when you went over the
top more you actually got a lot more balance in it.
It looked challenging to play the crossbat shot. So I
think you know, we just we kind of speak about
that as a as a unit. Is you know, what's
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probably the best ball on that surface and what's the
ideal pace and try to go from there.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You got the ball to rip a few times. Are
you trying to turn the ball more, get ribs more
ribs on the ball, or are you sticking with what
you've had in the path and the you know, the
tried and true that has been successful at.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
Times over here. It's kind of an interesting one.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I think sometimes the more you put on it doesn't
necessarily mean it the more it's going to spin. But
you know, we think Obviously, the accuracy is such an
important piece in this. I think we found that in
Sri Lanka, where it was more the kind of angle
of the seam was probably more important, you know, that
kind of traditional forty five over the top. In Sri Lanka,
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I think it's more that kind of under kind of
side spin where one might you know, hit the leather
and skired and one might hit the corner of the
seaman go. So that's what we kind of talked about
here was obviously trying to put it in a good
area with with revs on it, but trying to make
sure that seems in a good position where it can
kind of go and also scared.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And as obviously as a better that's that's obviously a very.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Challenging aspect if one spins and you kind of think
they might spin, and then one will just shooting hit
you in the pad. So it might look bad on TV,
but it's probably the setup where the one spin and
then you get hitting the pad.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
After that you played it on Katie before. Is there
any expectation within the side that there's going to be
some changes to the kind of pitch you're likely to face.
Do you think that they'll be prepared to make adjustments
because you've beating them in their conditions.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
As you said previously, Well, I think the original commns
were to take the grass off of wan Ky as
well before this game. But I still think, you know,
that's probably the best best chance of still winning, and
these conditions they're so good at that, you know, it
makes the toss obviously quite important. But I think you
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usually wanky can get more balanced. It's kind of traditionally
obviously red soil can go a little bit quicker and
go a bit, you know, more of the bounce. So
it might be more of that kind of New Zealand
style bowling, kind of trying to get more balanced, more
of the top, that kind of forty five degree scene.
But I guess we'll wait and see you where another
couple of days here and see what that pitch has
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got for us in a cold day's time.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Was any one dismissal that gave you greater delight than
any other?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
I guess it's always nice k cold out. Not The
first thing was a bet full, but I think the
second one was. I tried to kind of bowl on
the seam and get a couple go away and then
intentionally bowl across him to see if it would skid,
and it kind of stayed down and gathered pace. That
was that was quite pleasant. Yeah, I don't think he
was happy with the umpire's call, but you know, obviously
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we were pretty happy because it was given out.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
But yeah, he's.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
We have good bans off the field as well, and
you know, I know he's I've got him out a
couple of times now and I think he's aware of that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, no reason why he shouldn't celebrate a wicket of
a very colie and remind him of that. But it
was it was quite strange that, as he said, we
beat them at their own game, playing on spin. Perhaps
they should have just settled for an ordinary pitch without
trying to doctor at four spin bowling, which has been
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their strength.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
After the the first innings of New Zealand of two
fifty nine, you would think to yourself that the that
India would have gone to themselves well to fifty nine. Yeah,
that's okay. The ordinary formula would have been India goes out,
gets four hundred, leaves us a chase of to one
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fifty to two hundred to get. We fall short and
they knocked the runs off. That's that's the well trodden route,
isn't it The time's past. What happened was Saudi bowls
Rowi Shama with an absolute little gem of a ball,
beautiful ball, and he seems to be revital like just
while I'm at it in terms of his demeanor in
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the field, great last catch. He bowled a couple of
absolute beautiful balls. He knocked over Sharma and then there
were certain the bowling out coally with the most perplexing
sort of shot from Colie which was a push sweep
half volleys an ordinary course Colie shit has belted it
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through the covers. That to me just stuck in my mind.
And then at that point you were under pressure.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well he was just in two minds. I mean it
was semi a full toss, wasn't it. It was half full
toss and half dipping. And the bat path came from gully.
He looked at if he wanted to mow it to Mumbai,
and then he changed his mind and then wanted to
go straight. How can Kali go out to a first
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ball in a Test match without playing wanting to play
it straight? To get himself even vaguely in what's happening
that he's caught between scuffing the ground and leaving the
air and getting bold. I don't know what you guys think,
but personally in today's tests, so I think qualities like
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patience and seeing a bowler off in the heat. You know,
there's value sometimes in that because there's a danger. Perhaps
you know he can go longer and he's getting the
ball to do something or other. But to see somebody
off is out of the whole idea nowadays. It seems
to be an absorbing pressure from a bowler is not okay,
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because what you've got to do is put the pressure
back on the bowling team. But that means a higher
level of risk. So the value of staying in is
not quite seen as a virtue nowadays. And I think certainly,
you know from India, we are seeing you know, lots
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of players committing naturally enough to twenty twenty and it
comes at a cost. Really, I think, I mean, why
has it happened? We probably we all know it's not
the player's fault. Really, Cricket boards now aren't just a
guardian of the game where you put your arms around cricket.
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It's not that they have now become businesses, so they
compete with broadcasting rights, and they want money to pay,
and they seek money to pay players and all sorts
of other things. And the players now I think their
test skills are diminished because of that, and they let
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letting the ball go. No, they don't like to do
that too much. Bat and paired together not quite so
good at it. The shape above the ball, hitting the ball,
for one. It's all those kinds of things that are
not quite there. Now they become less important, and you
tuck them away in the spare room with your old furniture.
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And now batsmen trust attack more than they do their defense,
more comfortable reverse sweeping than they are playing a forward defense.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I don't blame the players.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
It's just part of this huge shift in the game,
and it has a knock on effect.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
You make the point around Collie not waiting and not
giving himself a chance to which in previous times that
over his career he's done. I can trust that with
Latham's really very important knock in the second innings, he
was patient, but he also used the reverse sweep and
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he lapped the spinners, putting pressure back on the Indian spinners.
But he seemed to use those shots in a much
more considered way where the ball was pitching outside his
leg stumped to reverse sweep it, so he took the
letter the l w out of the way. I thought
that was probably, apart from SATs wonderful innings, that was
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probably the most critical innings where he played got that
eighty yard, but there was contributions all through and built
partnerships of twenties and thirties to get the total up.
That was just a fabulous knock and what Latham did
was he did put the pressure back on Judaisha and co.
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That was a fabulous knock and that contrasted with what
we saw from India which was quite the reverse.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Really totally terminations that needs skill with the bat. The
story about Mitchell Santner is an interesting one. Nice to
hear him enjoying the success. But we wouldn't have picked
him as a thirteen wicket man. We weren't picking him
in the team before that Test match. And then he's
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just spun New Zealand of victory.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Jerry.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's extraordinary, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
It'll be known as Santler's Test and people will know
immediately what you're talking about it's come so out of
the blue, hasn't it. I mean, he's not really a
regular in our red ball team. He is, he's certainly
a mainstay in our white ball crew. He didn't play
the last Test in Bengaluru. He played two Tests in
Sri Lanka and got one for one hundred and ninety seven.
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But you know, it's just in the last five years
he's only played seven Tests for New Zealand, so he
doesn't play much. But he in six of his seven
wickets in the first innings were either bold or LBW
so I think we can say there quite comfortably. He
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attacked the stumps, that's the first thing. Second thing I
think is he got some assistance from the pitch. Some
were turning a bit more, some went straight on, some
bounced a bit more, some just squatted and kept a
bit low, didn't they. He was very consistent, very accurate,
landing it not on just an area as players talk
about in the right area. It was even less than that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
A couple of tee towels.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And he's very good at changes of pace from his
one day cricket, so flight speed, and he's also a
bit of an angle. He gets out wide to the
right handers, and so he gets two angles, one coming
in from outside your eye line, drags you across a
bit into the stumps, and then gets it to turn
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and hold its line.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then other than.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
That he gets you know, variations of projectory. And I
thought he also was chart starting to change the angle
of the scene. That was really important too as well
that the variety of amount of turn that you can
get there. So all those things added up and he
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just he got more confidence. I think wicket after wicket,
and I think he said that, And.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
When do you think is the last time he bowled
twenty nine overs straight? I doubt they, but not even
in his first class career, So that I mean that
to me, it's a testament to to Mitchell said, now
you've just got to take hats off, and you're right, Jerry,
he did ball beautifully and then he did start moving
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the the the angle of the scene, which means that
you know, I grips on the scene, it'll take more.
But if it hits the open side, if you will,
it can just drift on and which is probably the
most dangerous ball that you bowl, because the one that
keeps going with the arm. He was He had it
all and as you say, if you missed, he hit
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and that was crucial. Whereas contrast, Ajas Patal unfortunately is
not in the groove. He gives you four balls and
hence wasn't bold as much. No, I thought Mitchell sat
And was fantastic and then pretty well supported by Glenn
Phillips who's seems to be growing into the role a bit.
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And both of them of course got very handy runs.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Interesting, I asked Mitchell Santner about having rung on A here. Well,
they've had seclaim Mushtak with them in the past. If
we want our spin bowlers to be successful along with
our seemers, perhaps we should have more spin bowling coaches
with them. He says sentences that he's enjoyed discussing spin
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bowling with rung on A Here. We haven't done that
in the past, have we. We've always used a seam
bowling coach to be our spin bowling coach as well.
It's a different art, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Rungin a Herath was a lovely flight bowl and changes
of pace which kind of suits Satna's skills as well,
doesn't it, Especially the changes of pace it makes sense
wads to have someone of that, you know, having a
history of doing those things that our players can listen to.
I think must be a huge, huge assistance that they
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can go along and listen to what he's got to
say in the comments about their bowling. I also think
Moose is right about ajs Pttel not quite at his best.
Just seems to be rolling the ball out.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Whether that's I saw his legs strapped. His front legs
are strapped quite a lot now. Whether that's a problem
he can't get over that, I don't know, but certainly
he's not getting the link.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
He hasn't got a stock ball, put it.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
That way, and he's bowling a little bit too full
and not giving the natural variations from the pitch a chance.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So it was very important from that point of view.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
How do you sustain it through the next Test match then,
because as Mitchell Santa says, they're expecting the pitch to
be shaved of grass and dry and there. But I mean,
you can't do that if you're Indian now because they've
they've lost the game against spinners, haven't they.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
What would you do it when you've got when you've
got boomera in your team exactly. You know, it's a
bit of a h scratching for me because I've got Boom,
I've got some decent quicks that that are a justice
potent on on on quick and seeming decks. They don't
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need to go that way, would be the point I
would make. I did think the introduction of Washington Sundar
is very interesting, not having played for three and a
half years, since he contributed greatly in that Australia series,
that Indie year one. Perhaps he's born in for that
very reason. He might be going to Australia. But I know,
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I'm perplexed, why why they, why they why they would
want to turn it into a track that's kind of
turn square from from the first session. It's baffling to
me because it hasn't worked in the last one.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
One KD and Mumbai is the is the venue and
the ground that's a red clay pitch different from the
last one at Puna which they talk about, and those
are the two types of pitchures. They don't actually look
black and red, but the way they behave is slightly different.
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There's more play in the last one from Pune that
means it can absorb more moisture, although who knows how
much water they put in that pitch. It normally turns
much earlier, is one of the features of that and
it keeps going. You find the red clay which New
Zealand are about to confront in Mumbai. It takes a
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little longer and suit to break up or to spin,
but then once it does, it starts to obviously turn.
And then also the faster bowlers get a bit more bounced,
So it's more like Bengaluru than Pune.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
What do you do if you're the England coach Jerry
baseball doesn't seem to be working in Pakistan?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
No will it?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It works work quite well in the first Test.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Eight hundred, we don't normally see that, you know, Brooke
getting three of them and Route getting sort of one
and two thirds so or was it two in a bit?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Doing a bit you can't I don't think you can
just dismiss. One of the beauties of Test cricket to
me is that there are different conditions around the world
and you have to adjust to it, and there are
different ways of playing and being successful on.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
All of them. But you have to adjust.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You can't just have one way to play and say,
here is the universal answer. I understand what they're trying
to do, but you cannot do that. You've got to
make sense about the way you play and match up
with the conditions. They are not prepared, as I was saying,
to take single after single after single. They want fours,
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they want sixers, and I think that's a result of
the amount of you know, of the twenty twenty format
that we're getting, and so you can't score as quickly
on those pictures wads, and so they've produced months and
burners and they've found a couple of spinners who are
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doing the jobs.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
So you've got to take your time.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
You've got to adapt to what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You can't just push all that stuff from the past.
How long have we been playing test cricket? Ages? Ages
and certain.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Rules apply, and if you want to forget all those
and rewrite them all, there is a cost.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Well, credit to the black Caps for a remarkable when
in the series in India. Not such a lot of
credit after their lank and performance, but you know, they
faced the adversity and they put the performance on board
that has needed from them, and there's been adversity from
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the women's team as well. They fought through it too, Jerry.
They won the T twenty World Cup. They've won one
of two games ODO. I what a tough assignment to
win a World Cup and then have to go and
play three odii's in India over a space of seven
or eight days. But they've certainly made dramatic progress, albeit
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through tough times.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Look that twenty twenty World Cup win was was even
more experience, you know, more extraordinary and unexpected now than
the men beating India. Really, they were just so far
away from looking a threat to other sides, but they
got through that brilliantly. Certain players, it seems I don't
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know what you think. The team seems to me and
I watched I'm afraid only the middle game against India,
which was the one that the New Zealand women won.
I just think they've straightened up their game of cricket.
They're batting for fifty overs if it's an ODI game,
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or they're batting twenty overs if it's a twenty over match,
which was not the way that they were approaching it
earlier and by straightening the game up. I think they're
using different areas of the field, down the ground, through
the covers.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Occasionally.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
They've always played the cut, and if you start driving well,
you're going to get some more cuts because the bowler
will shorten their length and they've still got the power
in the leg side.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They're taking more catches.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
They seem I mean, I don't know what you think was,
but they seem to me to be just a stronger
side and the better side and the harder team to beat.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, and some of the players that you might not
have expected to deliver are starting to deliver. And Peter,
I'm sure you have noticed the performances of the white Ferns,
the likes of Georgia Plumber. She had a long time
where you know, she got ten and that was her lot.
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Brook Halliday is now starting to get runs on a
more consistent basis. They're not relying on baits, divine, et cetera.
There was no cur in the last game because she
came home injured. So they are spreading the net a
little bit wider and asking some of the lesser experienced
players to deliver. And I think that's coming good for them, isn't.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
It there would appear to be a greater level of
belief and self belief, and perhaps it was that they
played the two best teams for so long and then
took a lot out of it. Yeah, contribution from Plumber
Holiday Green gays. That's the encouraging bit because apart from
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in the second match, which is in one where both
Bats and Divine got runs, they didn't in the other two.
So these the younger Brotheragades so called, stepped up and
that has to be heartening. And I think self belief
is probably the most important bit. They can now know
that they can foot it there with the with the best,
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and I think that aug as well. Frankly, so I know.
I think they come home heads held high, no question.
And again we might not have picked it at the start.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
No, yeah, clearly. See clearly it seems that Kiera is
going to take over the captaincy and one hopes that
she doesn't carry the important role of being captain batting
bowling and too much pressure that can can pay a
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part in terms of a team performance.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Jerry, Yeah, you don't want Amelia occur to be burdened,
do you. There's been a bit of chat about baits
and divine and to who who the grandma's they call them,
don't they affectionately that they won't be playing too much longer.
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But you know the way they're they're they're they're getting
their thirties and their forties. And if you're baits and
batting up in the power play in the field at
midwike atter quite a lot. She's doing the business and
and so as divine divines still got the power and
as you know, you might say, is but she's straightly
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she's changing her game game as well. She's still learning
and to who who looks very keen, still doesn't she
So but you add those other players that Moose has mentioned,
I mean, I thought Rosemary Mayor you know, she's she
come back into the game after after an injury.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I mean, is he gaze seems.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
A little more down the order with the batting and
you know, playing her variety of shots, you know, reverse
sweeps and ramps and those kinds of things that she's
she has a crack at. I think Parson and Jonas
have played a part with the spinners to help ameliaccur.
So it's not on her all on her shoulders there.
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So this is this is a new level confidence from
the team. Let's hope they love it and that and
it pushes them all forward together and that there are
levels now of where we don't go belot beyond we
do not go down there again. And and this is
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the new level we accept of standards. So that's great
and it's wonderful to see them enjoying the game and
at the same time playing better at improving.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, all important things, and we will look forward to
welcoming them home. I hope they get a welcome and
a celebration from New Zealand Crickets. When New Zealand won
the Test Championship Mace, they carried that round the country.
No reason why the women shouldn't go round and exhibit
what they have won and enjoy the period back at
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home rather than just the period of time they spent
in India and in Dubai to provide them the memories.
It looks like we're heading towards an interesting summer for
our women's team as well, so that is something we
can be excited about, as can be the final Test
match in India and then the return home for the
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black Caps to play against the bas Ball champions. When
they get here in a month or so. Peter Holland,
thank you very much for joining us once again. Love
to have your comments and look forward to having you
join us again. I want you to get that camera
on your laptop improved. It's a rather hazy, untidy look,
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although it's probably not a bad view because we can't
see Cody, which is even better.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
What's very quickly?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You're not going to ask me another You're not going
to ask me another teaser? Are you?
Speaker 4 (37:32):
No? No?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:32):
If I'm New Zealand cricket, isn't this one of the
most interesting moments in recent times? The two two nil
series went against India is making everyone sit up. Hopefully
there's some commercial benefit that comes out of that and
potential benefit. Maybe we get into your back here sooner
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than we would have otherwise thought, I don't know, throw
it out there.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, good points, and you would hope that there is
commercial benefit for a side that has performed above and beyond. Jerry,
you'll be looking for to the Test match some more
late nights. We'll be able to discuss the series in
a week's time after we've beaten India three mil.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Oh, that would be even better. That might even bring
some sunshine to Wellington Wads. I've been here for a
couple of weeks now and uh it's been it's been
pretty messy at times, either or by through wind that's
not my own, that's from outside exterior and also.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
You know, also the rain.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Thanks of your time, Jerry and mind when.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Summer.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hello, nice to have you on the front foot again.
History repeats itself for the black Caps on the Subcompany
thirty six years without a wound, then two in one
week certainly becomes the latest spin thread against players who
seemingly are reared from a young age on a diet
of spin bowling. Our white Ferns match the black Caps
if it were one day whining Adabad. Unfortunately they couldn't
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pull a victory off to win the series. And it
appears beswell doesn't always work when backing on it, Bunsen Burner, Well,
I've guaranteed a way for New Zealand to win the
third Test match. Peter Holland and Jeremy Kenney with me.
I've decided to pick India.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
What chances have they got now? Surely? I mean a
cresting away.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Could you imagine? And we can put the rugby scenario
in here. If the All Blacks had lost twice to India,
what would be going on here? The post mortems in
this guy, you know, I mean the dark shroud would
be all over New Zealand, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I read a comment from Robert Chalmer that they weren't
going to do too much on post mortems. Maybe less
said was the better. I don't know. I mean, where
do you go with you? A few of them? I
mean my impression about this series was this was a
warm up for their upcoming series against Australia. I mean
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that's where their focus was.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, I think the interesting comment I heard Jerry and
we'll give them as Joe gary Stead's had some criticism,
but the one comment that he made that I thought
really covered well, we played better than them. And I
think that's simply the case, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Absolutely? And I think the important the point that you make.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
There will be bemused people around New Zealand who follow cricket,
won't they. Let's be honest about that. If you look
beyond what happened on the field of plays. Then it's
very difficult to explain rationally how and why.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
New Zealand did this.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
You appear into history and you see thirty six years
and something or the other last win and a million
years since playing in India and there's no series win.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And how many series has it been at home since?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Anybody has beaten them, even the well resourced teams, let
alone New Zealand. You know, teams like yeah, just with
money and large populations who have cricket and their culture,
lots of players to choose from you you can recreate
practices that are like Indian conditions and the best coaches
and it goes on, doesn't it. You know, other Asian
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teams and there's not much there to really say New
Zealand you're in with a series win, throwing their moderate
recent results. There's no real rational answer. And yet once
you start looking on the field of play, we have
played better and we should embrace that. That doesn't mean
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it lasts, but it means for the last two games
we've been the better side. I mean that first Test
win Bengaluru, I thought, okay, we had a weaver of
luck didn't we with the you know, having a bowl
first and our can ditions and then we grabbed it.
Bowlers did their job, we caught, we bought much better
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than we have recently, and you know, and we all know.
The game just carried on and India played a bit
better in the third innings, but then we came back
with a second new ball and got the runs in
the last innings.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Here.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I don't know what you guys thought. I thought this
was even a better win. It's the second Test.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And done with spin, which is something unusual for New Zealand.
Let's just talk about spin firstly. Well, Mitchell Senter may
come across as mister coole laid back is an understatement,
but he's realistic about the progress of his Test career
and he seems to enjoy his best performance with the ball.
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Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
It's obviously pretty pleasing. Yeah, I guess Test career for
me he has been I kind of in and out
and you know, I guess to get these conditions over
here and put in a I guess a shift like
that is pretty pleasing. But I guess to to do
it against India and I guess kind of beat them
at their own game. I guess that was the most
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pleasing thing for for us in that second Test anyway. Yeah,
I think like I think after the first Test, you know,
we we thought, you know, it was obviously a massive
achievement and we kind of had, you know, conditions that
were I guess suited to us in that kind of
first innings with the ball, and you know, I guess
we made the most of it. And and then I
guess coming here, we knew that it was going to
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be a different challenge altogether, you know, a classic kind
of Indian track where it'd be slow and you know,
take some turn later on and I guess to to
do that and putting you know, a good shift over
those three days. And you know, I guess the kind
of way we went about it, especially with the bat,
we kind of wanted to fire some shots at them
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and show that intent with the bat, and you know
that kind of you know, put us in such a
good position, especially if that first innings to so I
guess to try to squeeze them and take wickets. So
you know, I guess to do that against them. You know,
you know what they kind of do to everyone else
was the most pleasing thing.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Can you put your finger on the reason for success?
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah, I guess we had a lot of chats, you know,
as a spin unit. You know, we felt India may
have bowled a little bit quickly in their first innings,
and I guess it was really skidding on and we
tried to I think once we saw kind of Washington
and Ashvin slow it up a touch kind of under
that you know, ninety Klimeter mark. You know, it started
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to take some turns, so we kind of wanted to
kind of make that our stock and kind of go
either way from there. And I guess on a pitch
where not necessarily doing anything different, but one will skin
and one will spin, it just becomes an accuracy thing.
And that's all we try to do is just be accurate.
One hopefully spins and they nicke it or one skids
and it hits them in the pad, And you know,
I guess that's what the mode of the dismissal was
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throughout the whole test was either bold alb or nikops.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Did the pitch preparation backfire on them?
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yeah, I think it's it's it's an interesting one because
I think they have been so successful at doing that
for a long period of time, and I think you know,
we obviously as a spin unit, you know, back ourselves
when it is spinning. But you know, you've got three
world classmanners and their team that do very similar job
as well.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
So I think we.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Kind of knew that coming here that it might be
you know, more traditional Indian wicket where you know, I
guess they're trying to negate the bounce first of all
from you know, our big seamers. So that's I think
that's what's most pleasing about. I guess this one as
we kind of beat them at their own game, you know, Bangalore,
we kind of got the best of condition, especially at
the start, and but then after that it was it
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was a grind. And then coming here, you know, we
kind of outspun them and out kind of played them
in their own conditions.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Were you're expecting the kind of aggression they came with
at the top of the order.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah, I think it's still probably the best you know,
attack on on on these wickets we knew, I think
they knew, especially the new balls, probably the best time,
you know, it's about especially like the seams were setting
on even with the spin, it was more skiddy, and
then when the ball gets still about that at fifteen
twenty hour years old, it starts to take a bit
more turns.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
I think they knew that if they.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Could, you know, be aggressive and fire some shots, you know,
put us on the back foot, maybe get some sweepers
out less been around the bad and try you know,
rotate from there. But I think we knew with you know,
the score, we had it. You know, even if there
was a partnership, it can change very quickly over here.
And you know, I think it even showed, you know
yesterday where you know, I think they're flying and then
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you kind of get one, you get two, and you
can kind of start to squeeze again, and you know
it might have been different if you know, it might
have been only a two fifty kind of run lead.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
But yeah, pretty happy to have you know, through fifty
to bowl it.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
How important has Rangana here? I've been to the bowling lineup.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, he's been, he's been, he's been outstanding. To be fair,
you know, he's he's obviously done it for a long
time and you know he's obviously a world class left uspinner.
So I think, you know, you can get the likes
of these guys coming in and helping him, you know,
in similar conditions to what they've bowled their whole careers.
And so, you know, rang And I was one of
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the best that you know, has kind of subtle changes
of pace, but just landing it on the same spot
time and time again, and that's you know, that's kind
of the blueprint of what you need to do over here.
I think in the past we've come here and just
tried to bold fast into it, and you know, I
think the other day there was there was times we
kind of slowed up and then you know, go back
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to kind of buying fast. I think, you know, rang
And has been he's been outstanding and just trying to
keep it very simple for us. I know the guys
have personally enjoyed him as well.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Does he offer changes that you can make or is
he just reinforcing what you do?
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I think he's you know, he's first of all, he
kind of came in and just was kind of reinforcing.
And I think you know, there's you know over here,
I guess the subtle changes and field and you know,
different angles on the crease, you know, just to trying
to change kind of the batsman's approach. We speak about
trying to get you know, mid creast to wide and
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kind of vary you know, the release points on on
the crease and you know, just kind of having those
in outfields where over here it's you know, it's massive.
I think if you have every rue up, it's almost
an easy shot to bail out and hit over the top.
So it's kind of different catches in different spots with
you know, a few men back, and you know he's
he obviously did that for a long time in his career.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It seems from watching you bowl that's something important to
your style. The use of the crease and those changes
and the changes of pace seem to have been significant
in terms of we see the pace bowling on the screen.
How effective have you found that in those conditions, the
subtle changes that you talk about.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I think, I guess, depending on the bat in the surface,
I think i'd intentionally try to slow it up a
little bit to star for us, you know, because he's
very good at sweeping and those kind of square shots.
So I think, you know, taking the pace off and
I think might have been a little bit greedy at times.
Probably don't need a bowl seventy three seventy five, but
it's probably you know, kind of between the eighty and
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kind of low a's to kind of high.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Or maybe early nineties is probably the ideal.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
But I think, you know, depending on the surface, if
it is kind of going all the time, you kind
of all fast into it one or scared one will spin.
But I think there's a period there, especially in our
kind of first things, where when you went over the
top more you actually got a lot more balance in it.
It looked challenging to play the crossbat shot. So I
think you know, we just we kind of speak about
that as a as a unit. Is you know, what's
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probably the best ball on that surface and what's the
ideal pace and try to go from there.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You got the ball to rip a few times. Are
you trying to turn the ball more, get ribs more
ribs on the ball, or are you sticking with what
you've had in the path and the you know, the
tried and true that has been successful at.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
Times over here. It's kind of an interesting one.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I think sometimes the more you put on it doesn't
necessarily mean it the more it's going to spin. But
you know, we think Obviously, the accuracy is such an
important piece in this. I think we found that in
Sri Lanka, where it was more the kind of angle
of the seam was probably more important, you know, that
kind of traditional forty five over the top. In Sri Lanka,
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I think it's more that kind of under kind of
side spin where one might you know, hit the leather
and skired and one might hit the corner of the
seaman go. So that's what we kind of talked about
here was obviously trying to put it in a good
area with with revs on it, but trying to make
sure that seems in a good position where it can
kind of go and also scared.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And as obviously as a better that's that's obviously a very.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Challenging aspect if one spins and you kind of think
they might spin, and then one will just shooting hit
you in the pad. So it might look bad on TV,
but it's probably the setup where the one spin and
then you get hitting the pad.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
After that you played it on Katie before. Is there
any expectation within the side that there's going to be
some changes to the kind of pitch you're likely to face.
Do you think that they'll be prepared to make adjustments
because you've beating them in their conditions.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
As you said previously, Well, I think the original commns
were to take the grass off of wan Ky as
well before this game. But I still think, you know,
that's probably the best best chance of still winning, and
these conditions they're so good at that, you know, it
makes the toss obviously quite important. But I think you
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usually wanky can get more balanced. It's kind of traditionally
obviously red soil can go a little bit quicker and
go a bit, you know, more of the bounce. So
it might be more of that kind of New Zealand
style bowling, kind of trying to get more balanced, more
of the top, that kind of forty five degree scene.
But I guess we'll wait and see you where another
couple of days here and see what that pitch has
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got for us in a cold day's time.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Was any one dismissal that gave you greater delight than
any other?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
I guess it's always nice k cold out. Not The
first thing was a bet full, but I think the
second one was. I tried to kind of bowl on
the seam and get a couple go away and then
intentionally bowl across him to see if it would skid,
and it kind of stayed down and gathered pace. That
was that was quite pleasant. Yeah, I don't think he
was happy with the umpire's call, but you know, obviously
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we were pretty happy because it was given out.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
But yeah, he's.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
We have good bans off the field as well, and
you know, I know he's I've got him out a
couple of times now and I think he's aware of that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, no reason why he shouldn't celebrate a wicket of
a very colie and remind him of that. But it
was it was quite strange that, as he said, we
beat them at their own game, playing on spin. Perhaps
they should have just settled for an ordinary pitch without
trying to doctor at four spin bowling, which has been
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their strength.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
After the the first innings of New Zealand of two
fifty nine, you would think to yourself that the that
India would have gone to themselves well to fifty nine. Yeah,
that's okay. The ordinary formula would have been India goes out,
gets four hundred, leaves us a chase of to one
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fifty to two hundred to get. We fall short and
they knocked the runs off. That's that's the well trodden route,
isn't it The time's past. What happened was Saudi bowls
Rowi Shama with an absolute little gem of a ball,
beautiful ball, and he seems to be revital like just
while I'm at it in terms of his demeanor in
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the field, great last catch. He bowled a couple of
absolute beautiful balls. He knocked over Sharma and then there
were certain the bowling out coally with the most perplexing
sort of shot from Colie which was a push sweep
half volleys an ordinary course Colie shit has belted it
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through the covers. That to me just stuck in my mind.
And then at that point you were under pressure.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well he was just in two minds. I mean it
was semi a full toss, wasn't it. It was half full
toss and half dipping. And the bat path came from gully.
He looked at if he wanted to mow it to Mumbai,
and then he changed his mind and then wanted to
go straight. How can Kali go out to a first
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ball in a Test match without playing wanting to play
it straight? To get himself even vaguely in what's happening
that he's caught between scuffing the ground and leaving the
air and getting bold. I don't know what you guys think,
but personally in today's tests, so I think qualities like
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patience and seeing a bowler off in the heat. You know,
there's value sometimes in that because there's a danger. Perhaps
you know he can go longer and he's getting the
ball to do something or other. But to see somebody
off is out of the whole idea nowadays. It seems
to be an absorbing pressure from a bowler is not okay,
(17:35):
because what you've got to do is put the pressure
back on the bowling team. But that means a higher
level of risk. So the value of staying in is
not quite seen as a virtue nowadays. And I think certainly,
you know from India, we are seeing you know, lots
(17:56):
of players committing naturally enough to twenty twenty and it
comes at a cost. Really, I think, I mean, why
has it happened? We probably we all know it's not
the player's fault. Really, Cricket boards now aren't just a
guardian of the game where you put your arms around cricket.
(18:18):
It's not that they have now become businesses, so they
compete with broadcasting rights, and they want money to pay,
and they seek money to pay players and all sorts
of other things. And the players now I think their
test skills are diminished because of that, and they let
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letting the ball go. No, they don't like to do
that too much. Bat and paired together not quite so
good at it. The shape above the ball, hitting the ball,
for one. It's all those kinds of things that are
not quite there. Now they become less important, and you
tuck them away in the spare room with your old furniture.
(19:02):
And now batsmen trust attack more than they do their defense,
more comfortable reverse sweeping than they are playing a forward defense.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I don't blame the players.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
It's just part of this huge shift in the game,
and it has a knock on effect.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
You make the point around Collie not waiting and not
giving himself a chance to which in previous times that
over his career he's done. I can trust that with
Latham's really very important knock in the second innings, he
was patient, but he also used the reverse sweep and
(19:41):
he lapped the spinners, putting pressure back on the Indian spinners.
But he seemed to use those shots in a much
more considered way where the ball was pitching outside his
leg stumped to reverse sweep it, so he took the
letter the l w out of the way. I thought
that was probably, apart from SATs wonderful innings, that was
(20:03):
probably the most critical innings where he played got that
eighty yard, but there was contributions all through and built
partnerships of twenties and thirties to get the total up.
That was just a fabulous knock and what Latham did
was he did put the pressure back on Judaisha and co.
(20:24):
That was a fabulous knock and that contrasted with what
we saw from India which was quite the reverse.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Really totally terminations that needs skill with the bat. The
story about Mitchell Santner is an interesting one. Nice to
hear him enjoying the success. But we wouldn't have picked
him as a thirteen wicket man. We weren't picking him
in the team before that Test match. And then he's
(20:50):
just spun New Zealand of victory.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Jerry.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's extraordinary, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
It'll be known as Santler's Test and people will know
immediately what you're talking about it's come so out of
the blue, hasn't it. I mean, he's not really a
regular in our red ball team. He is, he's certainly
a mainstay in our white ball crew. He didn't play
the last Test in Bengaluru. He played two Tests in
Sri Lanka and got one for one hundred and ninety seven.
(21:16):
But you know, it's just in the last five years
he's only played seven Tests for New Zealand, so he
doesn't play much. But he in six of his seven
wickets in the first innings were either bold or LBW
so I think we can say there quite comfortably. He
(21:37):
attacked the stumps, that's the first thing. Second thing I
think is he got some assistance from the pitch. Some
were turning a bit more, some went straight on, some
bounced a bit more, some just squatted and kept a
bit low, didn't they. He was very consistent, very accurate,
landing it not on just an area as players talk
about in the right area. It was even less than that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
A couple of tee towels.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And he's very good at changes of pace from his
one day cricket, so flight speed, and he's also a
bit of an angle. He gets out wide to the
right handers, and so he gets two angles, one coming
in from outside your eye line, drags you across a
bit into the stumps, and then gets it to turn
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and hold its line.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then other than.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
That he gets you know, variations of projectory. And I
thought he also was chart starting to change the angle
of the scene. That was really important too as well
that the variety of amount of turn that you can
get there. So all those things added up and he
(22:50):
just he got more confidence. I think wicket after wicket,
and I think he said that, And.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
When do you think is the last time he bowled
twenty nine overs straight? I doubt they, but not even
in his first class career, So that I mean that
to me, it's a testament to to Mitchell said, now
you've just got to take hats off, and you're right, Jerry,
he did ball beautifully and then he did start moving
(23:17):
the the the angle of the scene, which means that
you know, I grips on the scene, it'll take more.
But if it hits the open side, if you will,
it can just drift on and which is probably the
most dangerous ball that you bowl, because the one that
keeps going with the arm. He was He had it
all and as you say, if you missed, he hit
(23:40):
and that was crucial. Whereas contrast, Ajas Patal unfortunately is
not in the groove. He gives you four balls and
hence wasn't bold as much. No, I thought Mitchell sat
And was fantastic and then pretty well supported by Glenn
Phillips who's seems to be growing into the role a bit.
(24:02):
And both of them of course got very handy runs.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Interesting, I asked Mitchell Santner about having rung on A here. Well,
they've had seclaim Mushtak with them in the past. If
we want our spin bowlers to be successful along with
our seemers, perhaps we should have more spin bowling coaches
with them. He says sentences that he's enjoyed discussing spin
(24:29):
bowling with rung on A Here. We haven't done that
in the past, have we. We've always used a seam
bowling coach to be our spin bowling coach as well.
It's a different art, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Rungin a Herath was a lovely flight bowl and changes
of pace which kind of suits Satna's skills as well,
doesn't it, Especially the changes of pace it makes sense
wads to have someone of that, you know, having a
history of doing those things that our players can listen to.
I think must be a huge, huge assistance that they
(25:04):
can go along and listen to what he's got to
say in the comments about their bowling. I also think
Moose is right about ajs Pttel not quite at his best.
Just seems to be rolling the ball out.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Whether that's I saw his legs strapped. His front legs
are strapped quite a lot now. Whether that's a problem
he can't get over that, I don't know, but certainly
he's not getting the link.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
He hasn't got a stock ball, put it.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
That way, and he's bowling a little bit too full
and not giving the natural variations from the pitch a chance.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So it was very important from that point of view.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
How do you sustain it through the next Test match then,
because as Mitchell Santa says, they're expecting the pitch to
be shaved of grass and dry and there. But I mean,
you can't do that if you're Indian now because they've
they've lost the game against spinners, haven't they.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
What would you do it when you've got when you've
got boomera in your team exactly. You know, it's a
bit of a h scratching for me because I've got Boom,
I've got some decent quicks that that are a justice
potent on on on quick and seeming decks. They don't
(26:21):
need to go that way, would be the point I
would make. I did think the introduction of Washington Sundar
is very interesting, not having played for three and a
half years, since he contributed greatly in that Australia series,
that Indie year one. Perhaps he's born in for that
very reason. He might be going to Australia. But I know,
(26:42):
I'm perplexed, why why they, why they why they would
want to turn it into a track that's kind of
turn square from from the first session. It's baffling to
me because it hasn't worked in the last one.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
One KD and Mumbai is the is the venue and
the ground that's a red clay pitch different from the
last one at Puna which they talk about, and those
are the two types of pitchures. They don't actually look
black and red, but the way they behave is slightly different.
(27:17):
There's more play in the last one from Pune that
means it can absorb more moisture, although who knows how
much water they put in that pitch. It normally turns
much earlier, is one of the features of that and
it keeps going. You find the red clay which New
Zealand are about to confront in Mumbai. It takes a
(27:41):
little longer and suit to break up or to spin,
but then once it does, it starts to obviously turn.
And then also the faster bowlers get a bit more bounced,
So it's more like Bengaluru than Pune.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
What do you do if you're the England coach Jerry
baseball doesn't seem to be working in Pakistan?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
No will it?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It works work quite well in the first Test.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Eight hundred, we don't normally see that, you know, Brooke
getting three of them and Route getting sort of one
and two thirds so or was it two in a bit?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Doing a bit you can't I don't think you can
just dismiss. One of the beauties of Test cricket to
me is that there are different conditions around the world
and you have to adjust to it, and there are
different ways of playing and being successful on.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
All of them. But you have to adjust.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You can't just have one way to play and say,
here is the universal answer. I understand what they're trying
to do, but you cannot do that. You've got to
make sense about the way you play and match up
with the conditions. They are not prepared, as I was saying,
to take single after single after single. They want fours,
(29:08):
they want sixers, and I think that's a result of
the amount of you know, of the twenty twenty format
that we're getting, and so you can't score as quickly
on those pictures wads, and so they've produced months and
burners and they've found a couple of spinners who are
(29:29):
doing the jobs.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
So you've got to take your time.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
You've got to adapt to what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You can't just push all that stuff from the past.
How long have we been playing test cricket? Ages? Ages
and certain.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Rules apply, and if you want to forget all those
and rewrite them all, there is a cost.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Well, credit to the black Caps for a remarkable when
in the series in India. Not such a lot of
credit after their lank and performance, but you know, they
faced the adversity and they put the performance on board
that has needed from them, and there's been adversity from
(30:19):
the women's team as well. They fought through it too, Jerry.
They won the T twenty World Cup. They've won one
of two games ODO. I what a tough assignment to
win a World Cup and then have to go and
play three odii's in India over a space of seven
or eight days. But they've certainly made dramatic progress, albeit
(30:43):
through tough times.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Look that twenty twenty World Cup win was was even
more experience, you know, more extraordinary and unexpected now than
the men beating India. Really, they were just so far
away from looking a threat to other sides, but they
got through that brilliantly. Certain players, it seems I don't
(31:09):
know what you think. The team seems to me and
I watched I'm afraid only the middle game against India,
which was the one that the New Zealand women won.
I just think they've straightened up their game of cricket.
They're batting for fifty overs if it's an ODI game,
(31:30):
or they're batting twenty overs if it's a twenty over match,
which was not the way that they were approaching it
earlier and by straightening the game up. I think they're
using different areas of the field, down the ground, through
the covers.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Occasionally.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
They've always played the cut, and if you start driving well,
you're going to get some more cuts because the bowler
will shorten their length and they've still got the power
in the leg side.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They're taking more catches.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
They seem I mean, I don't know what you think was,
but they seem to me to be just a stronger
side and the better side and the harder team to beat.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, and some of the players that you might not
have expected to deliver are starting to deliver. And Peter,
I'm sure you have noticed the performances of the white Ferns,
the likes of Georgia Plumber. She had a long time
where you know, she got ten and that was her lot.
(32:28):
Brook Halliday is now starting to get runs on a
more consistent basis. They're not relying on baits, divine, et cetera.
There was no cur in the last game because she
came home injured. So they are spreading the net a
little bit wider and asking some of the lesser experienced
players to deliver. And I think that's coming good for them, isn't.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
It there would appear to be a greater level of
belief and self belief, and perhaps it was that they
played the two best teams for so long and then
took a lot out of it. Yeah, contribution from Plumber
Holiday Green gays. That's the encouraging bit because apart from
(33:11):
in the second match, which is in one where both
Bats and Divine got runs, they didn't in the other two.
So these the younger Brotheragades so called, stepped up and
that has to be heartening. And I think self belief
is probably the most important bit. They can now know
that they can foot it there with the with the best,
(33:34):
and I think that aug as well. Frankly, so I know.
I think they come home heads held high, no question.
And again we might not have picked it at the start.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
No, yeah, clearly. See clearly it seems that Kiera is
going to take over the captaincy and one hopes that
she doesn't carry the important role of being captain batting
bowling and too much pressure that can can pay a
(34:09):
part in terms of a team performance.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Jerry, Yeah, you don't want Amelia occur to be burdened,
do you. There's been a bit of chat about baits
and divine and to who who the grandma's they call them,
don't they affectionately that they won't be playing too much longer.
(34:33):
But you know the way they're they're they're they're getting
their thirties and their forties. And if you're baits and
batting up in the power play in the field at
midwike atter quite a lot. She's doing the business and
and so as divine divines still got the power and
as you know, you might say, is but she's straightly
(34:55):
she's changing her game game as well. She's still learning
and to who who looks very keen, still doesn't she
So but you add those other players that Moose has mentioned,
I mean, I thought Rosemary Mayor you know, she's she
come back into the game after after an injury.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I mean, is he gaze seems.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
A little more down the order with the batting and
you know, playing her variety of shots, you know, reverse
sweeps and ramps and those kinds of things that she's
she has a crack at. I think Parson and Jonas
have played a part with the spinners to help ameliaccur.
So it's not on her all on her shoulders there.
(35:36):
So this is this is a new level confidence from
the team. Let's hope they love it and that and
it pushes them all forward together and that there are
levels now of where we don't go belot beyond we
do not go down there again. And and this is
(35:57):
the new level we accept of standards. So that's great
and it's wonderful to see them enjoying the game and
at the same time playing better at improving.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, all important things, and we will look forward to
welcoming them home. I hope they get a welcome and
a celebration from New Zealand Crickets. When New Zealand won
the Test Championship Mace, they carried that round the country.
No reason why the women shouldn't go round and exhibit
what they have won and enjoy the period back at
(36:33):
home rather than just the period of time they spent
in India and in Dubai to provide them the memories.
It looks like we're heading towards an interesting summer for
our women's team as well, so that is something we
can be excited about, as can be the final Test
match in India and then the return home for the
(36:55):
black Caps to play against the bas Ball champions. When
they get here in a month or so. Peter Holland,
thank you very much for joining us once again. Love
to have your comments and look forward to having you
join us again. I want you to get that camera
on your laptop improved. It's a rather hazy, untidy look,
(37:17):
although it's probably not a bad view because we can't
see Cody, which is even better.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
What's very quickly?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You're not going to ask me another You're not going
to ask me another teaser? Are you?
Speaker 4 (37:32):
No? No?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:32):
If I'm New Zealand cricket, isn't this one of the
most interesting moments in recent times? The two two nil
series went against India is making everyone sit up. Hopefully
there's some commercial benefit that comes out of that and
potential benefit. Maybe we get into your back here sooner
(37:53):
than we would have otherwise thought, I don't know, throw
it out there.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, good points, and you would hope that there is
commercial benefit for a side that has performed above and beyond. Jerry,
you'll be looking for to the Test match some more
late nights. We'll be able to discuss the series in
a week's time after we've beaten India three mil.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Oh, that would be even better. That might even bring
some sunshine to Wellington Wads. I've been here for a
couple of weeks now and uh it's been it's been
pretty messy at times, either or by through wind that's
not my own, that's from outside exterior and also.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
You know, also the rain.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Thanks of your time, Jerry and mind when.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
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