November 25, 2024 • 41 mins
We recap a humiliating loss for the Aussie cricketers, discuss our picks to play for the Black Caps at Hagley and we go back 46 years and reminisce with Richard Collinge about the test win over England in 1978.
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Hello, a busy week on the front foot, India. Make
a bold statement in Perth. We aren't out of World
Test Championship just yet. England wom up and Queenstown for
the first Test of the three against the black Caps,
and we remember forty six years ago Goodness met another
first for our cricketers. First Test went over England after
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forty eight years and forty eight tests trying nineteen seventy eight.
Jeremy Joney, you didn't play in that game, but you're
going to be there watching just like me.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I was once Hello to you at I do remember
it was a bitterly cold couple of first days and
then I caught There was a rest day I think
in that Test match, and then I caught the important
day when New Zealand had to bowl in England out
and I was there for that too.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah. I think we'll be talking about a little bit
later on because a good friend of yours, Rock Collins,
just going to join us again. He was part of
that Test match. Played a significant goal too, didn't he.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yeah he did.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
He got important wickets I think three in the first
and certainly we all remember the first one of the
second lot of three in the second innings.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Of course, Boycott.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
That's quite a sort of an image of New Zealand cricket,
isn't it. They had hinted winning games New Zealand and
seventy three member Trent Bridge and then Lords, but that was.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Five years earlier. Finally they got this one at the Basin.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yep, and it was well achieved. There was a bit
of puttying after that one as well. We'll get some
reminiscences from Rock Collins a little later in the program. Boy,
what an interesting week in Perth, Jeriett. I didn't expect
that outcome. I didn't expect New Zealand to beat India
three nil in their series, and I certainly didn't expect
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India to walop Australia. I mean That is embarrassing, humiliating
defeat for the Aussies, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Massive?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Margined, massive, Australia flogged really and all the more galling,
I guess because they were ahead in the game after
bowling India out on day one for one hundred and fifties,
so they were in a good position and then Boomer
came to town, didn't he. I suppose the first thing
you'd say about that Australia took India to purse with
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one reason. That was to bounce them out hard, to
score heaps and win conclusively and get India down very
early on in the tour they were missing a few players,
and then take them to the day night a pinkball
game at Adelaide, which is Aussie side know pretty well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, the Aussies looked pretty insipid with the ball. The
first day they were fine, they looked as so they
had a bit of paste and energy. The three paste
ballers did the job. But from then on in after
they were rolled for one hundred and four, they didn't
really play a part, did they.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
It was really I suppose.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
First of all, that first day with all those wickets falling,
I think it was the sort of the past reputation
of the cracks right throughout this optus pit, and I
think the ground staff probably were a bit concerned about that,
and so they added water to prevent them drying out
and being exposed. And that meant the first day was
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kind of wickets on steroids, wasn't it really? But from
that first moment when India and Boomera in particular started
to claim wickets, the Aussies looked a bit lost, didn't
they sort of that there was a sign posted up
lost the plot, you know, and if anyone finds the plot,
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please come to the Australian dressing room and ask for
pat you know.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
It was one of those.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But and then India sort of built, you know, a
handi lead they had, and then Jase Wall and Raha
Kal Rahul had that lovely, you know, really a match
winning partnership.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, and Jess World didn't really show that much against
the news inders and home conditions, did he had one
good score. We didn't see anything from any of their
batsmen to a great degree. And you hear the commentators
talking about how poor the pictures were during that series
of Da Da Da Da Dada. Why don't they just
acknowledge that New Zealand were better.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Well they were. I mean, you know, those.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
People who've followed the game a lot, they will know
the answer to those things. They just didn't play very well.
India and New Zealand were in.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Those three tests.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
So yeah, I thought Jaceell gives you a bit of
a chance, doesn't he. He's but he's very attacking. But
I don't think we should forget those just those good
leaving the ball and forward and back defense that kept
him going. I thought Rahul kept him going too, having
a chat to him a lot and keeping him you know,
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steering him if you.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Like as well.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
No frozen feet from those two. They had their feet
going forward or back. I thought Rahul played pretty well actually,
and they went right through Day two and into Day
three and then Coley. You know, there was a few
contributions from other players, but Coley then very professional and
good timing and kept off a great Day three for India.
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And then of course Bumra came back again and what
were Ossie three down at the end of the day
and they must have just they must have just felt humiliated, really,
I mean, they're normally a very clinical kind of side.
But I don't know what you thought. But the site
of Laboshine, you know, the designated bouncer man at one
hundred and thirty k's in.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
The twenty fifth over while you could still see the
ball was still new.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And then later in the day bowling legs spin around
the wicket, bowling a negative line and getting called for wides.
I mean the field was just strewn around the boundary.
It was bewilderment right across the field, it seemed to me.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And you talked about that's when Australia looked most at loss.
You see somebody like Lavishee who is pretty much an
organized batsman, or has been. He's out of touch with
the bat too, isn't He doesn't look as though he's
you know, he used to walk out with the bats
swinging and he scored thirty by the time he got
to the middle. He doesn't look like that now, as
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though the confidence has gone out of his demeanor.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I don't think that bowling and know all that sort
of stuff really helps him either. I think just get
on with your batting manus. You know, he's always busy
in the park. He's a good fielder. But yeah, I
agree with you, I really.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
You couldn't see that.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It's rather tortuous first innings where he just couldn't he
as if he wasn't interested in scoring at all and
I do it lo wasn't easy. And then in the
second innings to come out and pad it off to
a ball on middle and off.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Is unlikely.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I mean, you know, it's unusual also for a player
who was the number one batsman in the world.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Sides have had situations like this. How do you get
out of it? How do you overcome what has been
a humiliation? Australians don't like being beaten, but they don't
like being fresh on their own property, do they.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh, they'll hate it and there will be plenty of discussions,
you can be sure, certainly in the media. And they'll
spring into action, won't they. I'm no doubt they've probably
started and people will be demanding, you know, three or
four changes.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
That won't happen.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, you know, but Ossie, they won't put up with
a side losing like that. They're generally a well prepared
and planned team. They usually teams give a side a
couple of tests, don't they As a minimum they've got
ten or twelve days now to get back, they've got
to get back to some great cricket. Wise, great cricket
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is quite strong in Australia, and I would have thought
players like Labrashine for example, you know, would get back
and they'd try and get just back to the autist
getting some rhythm about being a batsman once again.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
You know, they do have some problems, don't they.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Did you see that graphic that came up at one
stage where it showed you all the kind of collapses
of the top order in the last seven tests or
something like that.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
They were four to sixteen.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Against Yeah, and New Zealand were there five for eighty
remember that five for eighty in christ Church, six for
forty odd and then the first innings and then five
for seventy and the second in this latest test.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
So they've had a few.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's starting to become a bit of a pattern and
that will be concerning. But it's the Kowaja, the new
opener to replace, to replace Warner, Lover, Shane and Smooth. Yes,
they need those guys to start to get back to
the way that they were playing.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
They will say that.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Smith started to show a few nascent signs and the
second innings. They will say Head supplied a bit of
hope in that second innings. I'll say Mitchell Marsh did
a bit of the same. I'll say Stark and Hazelwood
were okay with the ball. Cummings didn't look himself, did he.
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I didn't think he really provided much threat at all.
But they are pretty good with the pink ball. They
haven't lost a Test with the pink ball in Adelaide,
so I wouldn't be surprised if Oz do a lot
better there.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, well, David Waller of course has joined the cheerleaders
now and they're not too concerned. These guys will pull
themselves out of it. Apparently the television commentators are right
in behind them and earning their money for hyping up
the game. And you know nothing is beyond this side,
so we will have to wait and see. One fan
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didn't take too kindly to the way the Australians playing
right on a cricket site. Australia look an old sider
in the match, which I guess with only one player
in their twenties is exactly what they are. Once the
likes of Stark, Lion, Kawadru and Smith go they left
to go through a rebuilding phase. Well, I've never really
had troubled rebuilding. Are they too old?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Now?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Some of these guys, you know, you do lose a
bit of pace, although I didn't see their pace was
down dramatically, did you know? I thought actually start looked
quite good in that first innings. Who got the next players? Yeah, exactly.
I thought he looked okay. I mean he's always been
a player that has offered up a few drives and
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things like that because he's searching for wickets, and you
couldn't blame him, I don't think from that if there
was anything, I thought the Aussies just bolder but short
and the ball was going over the stumps rather than
clattering into the top of them. But I don't know.
They've got people like Spencer Johnson, haven't they. There's a
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name that occurs to.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Me and Boland. Boland's been around.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
For a while.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Nissa. Nissa is another one.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
The other player who I don't know what's happened to him.
And you may know I've been searching Cameron Green. Where's he?
Is he injured?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Is he he's injured? Once taken?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Is he okay? Yeah? Yeah, I mean he to me
was the next best thing, wasn't he He's going about
at four and really take control of that. So and
of course he was a bowler as well.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So and knowing those ossie players, they'll close their ranks
as more and more of the media and everything on
social media comes around, they'll close their ranks and they'll
circle the wagons and they'll say they'll think that no
one thinks we're any good, you know, but you know,
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we'll show them. You know, take a deep breath, everybody,
And I think that'll be.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
The way they take that'll be the way they take it.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
If they had been all out for one hundred in
that second innings, then it might have been slightly different,
but they got so running likely yeah it was for
a while, You're absolutely right, But boy, I mean, it
wasn't Boomra outstanding. I mean, here's something about that guy.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
The key breakthroughs early on.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And then India coming out and as I say, having
that great second innings and then Boomera once again at
the end of the day, and then boomer as soon
as head gets going back he comes claims the wicket.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
He was just fantastic.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And even some of the other guys I mean the
guy Ready, the guy Rana. They all played their pieces,
didn't they And even the catching. Look, how could Ozzie
have fifty extras? How could Ozzie have fifty extras? I
mean they were out caught that that lovely catch at batpad?
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Did you see that one by the ex keeper that
Durell up the off of Stark, really good catch at
short short leg. They were just better and you've got
to accept that some days, but then do something about it.
So that's the Aussies have got ten to twelve days,
so let's and there's four more tests, so let's let's
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not rush, but well done in near third to start
that series, so emphatically.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We've got a Test match in christ you'll be ending
down there shortly. We haven't heard too much from the
New Zealand camp, but we did hear an interview with
the coach of the side, Gary Stead. Basically he was
intimating four seamers. There won't be a front line spinner
because they didn't pick one, and it seems of course
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that Phillips is going to play, which means there's no
room or going to be no room for Will Young
unless they make some other adjustment. Now I find that
very harsh on Young. Whatever you've got within your side.
He's a form player. He's just dominated a series against
one of the best sides in the world and yet
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he could be sitting on the bench carrying the drinks.
That is going to be tough on somebody like Will Young,
but he seems to be able to accept it and
move on.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Well, he doesn't really have much choice, does he.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's his jobs to play when he's selected. Yeah, I
would have thought to me, as you know from last week,
I thought Young ought to be it was about his time.
It was going to be unlucky on whoever was left out,
and in my case I left Glenn Phillips out.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
But he's done a good job.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
And probably the weakness of my selection of leaving him
out was you know, so no one's going to get
the use of his part time off he's although how
much is that necessary at Hagley that's another question. But
the use of him at Gully. He's a good gully field,
isn't he. He takes some terrific catchers there and you know
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the selectors may go that way. But to me, the
gains of young outweigh the few overs that Phillips may
bowl and he's unlikely to get turned there.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
He's unlikely to get significant bounce.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
And the fact of it is, personally, I think the
four seamers are going to be.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
The ones who win you the game.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
With the catching behind the wicket, those are the two
important parts.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
With Hagley so.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And then it's going to be a decision on who
they choose as the fourth seemer, whether it's Nathan Smith
or whether it's Jacob Duffy. I'm inclined to go for
a Smith younger man has batting options as well, probably
a bit of batsman than Duffy, and is a player
who's had some good level cricket in recent times. He's
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been to Shrilanka of course with the one day side,
which probably made it tough for him to prepare for
a Test match. But he played a good role in
the worcestersh County side during the off season until he
got injured, so that would be my selection, apart from
the fact that he plays for Wellington.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I thought you might mention that in o eenthasies we
should turn up watch and see a green pitch. I
think that's how New Zealanders set up. Runs are going
to be important again, that sort of hints slightly at young.
England are likely to score faster and if New Zealand
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are good enough, they'll use that extra time that England
supply them, you know, with the faster run rate and
that sort of thing. The bowling for England, I'm interested
to see that they've chosen threes in their squad. That's
quite interesting from them because I mean, really to have
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three spinners plus Root and Bethel, who's another new Man
who's a left arm orthodox seems a wee bit excessive,
doesn't it for New Zealand conditions at this time of year.
They've got obviously seamers from the fast bowlers. They've got
Atkinson we know about him, a good bowler, relatively quick, cass,
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strong bowler from up in the north.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Only had a couple of tests Ollie Stone.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
New Zealand have played against them when they were over
in England a couple of tours ago and of course Stokes,
so that seems to be there, you know. Seam bowling
contingent Dasher seems to be their choice for a spinner,
although they've got other ones there.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I wonder who'll drag this attack along once? You know?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
For England, I mean last two of they had Broad
and Anderson, didn't they and Robinson and they.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Had Leech as well.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Who's back again from Spinner and who will do that?
I mean Cassess has had two tests, Atkinson had's had eight,
Potts has had nine, and then Wokees has had fifty five.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Now, the only thing I would say.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
About quotes well exactly. But then you look at his
record with the kooker Borough ball. Here are the averages
for you in Australia when he's used the kooker Borough
he averages fifty one. In New Zealand, he averages fifty
in Pakistan, fifty five in South Africa. These are all
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places where you use the kooker Borough ball. South Africa
fifty six and the West Indies forty eight.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So there's a common kind of scene there.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
He may do well, it may all suddenly change, but
that's what he's done so far. So it's an interesting
one though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
What will happen on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Earlier this year the seventy three Black Caps reunited to
celebrate their first ever win over Australia this year. It's
the first win over England that brings the players together
at Hagley, although the win was at the base in
reserve at the time forty eight years forty eight tests
and Richard Collins played both the Tests, the one against
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Australia and the one against England and he joins on
the front foot again. Nice to have you back, Rock
and you'll be in the country to celebrate that win
with your teammates.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, Brian, thank you for inviting you to your show.
Always lovely to have a chat with you. Yes, there's
eight of us going to be at Hagley Oval for
the first black Caps English Test, and I think the
only ones winning are not coming beef of Coln and
of course who has passed on. Jeff House is living
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in England, probably a bit far for him to come,
Mark Burgess and John Parker the two middle or the batsman,
but the rest of us are going to be there.
So it's really exciting, I think from my point of
view to catch up twice with teammates in one year.
So I'm sure we're going to We're going to have
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a good time, you've.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Been a regular rotender at test matches and at functions
back here in Gzilla, even though you live in Sydney.
It's important to you to retain those old relationships that
you built up over the cricket time.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh. Yes, absolutely, Brian. But I think that I think
it was Stephen Box said when we had the reunion
for the seventy four when and he saw us all
together and we had a night out and the eight
boys had a night out, and he said, well, look,
I think with our advancing years, we've got to make
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the best of every opportunity. And every time an opportunity
arises and we can, we get together. So I think
that's the sort of pack that the boys have made.
So no, no, it's very important. And you find that
you really carry on from where you left off last time,
such as the friendships that you made.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, and they were major victories for New Zealand, the
first one over Australia and then the first one over England.
Is one more memorable than the other to you?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Or?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Are they both pretty high up there and the list
of cricket memories, Oh, they're both.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Very high up I think with the Australians their batting
lineup to lock them over twice in the caliber their
batting lineup, I think was a pretty exceptional effort. I
think that the end England one. There's probably the two
tests and seventy three. We had a pretty good chance
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of winning those ones and just sort of failed at
final hurdle. So that was also a very important win
in that you know that waited that long to beat England,
but it was. But you've kind of remember that when
we beat Australia, it was only the sixth official test
between the two nations because take out the forty six game.
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They really didn't play chess cricket against US till seventy
three four seasons, so that was only the sixth test.
So for the England one was of course many more.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
My abiding memory of that seventy eight test, because I
was working doing interviews and sitting on the bank at
the time, was your dismissal of Jeffrey Boycott. The base
in reserve erupted when you knocked over his poll. Is
that one memory out of all the others, or is
there other significant moments in that test that you recall.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well, I think that was probably fairly important in the
sense that Jeffrey had added for I think well over
or just over seven hours for seventy odd in the
first innings. There were plenty of time left in the Test,
and it was probably very important that we did knock
him over early because he didn't mind batting for long
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periods of time and didn't mind not scoring for three,
four or five others. You know, he just stuck it
out and he probably saw you, well, it was well up.
It was probably York or just about york a length
and he probably thought, oh, kias, I'll just whipped us
through the on side. But he played across it and misted,
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of course in the rest of history. So that was
a very sort of important start for us, I think.
And then I got couple there wasn't Teff Miller and
Jerry Randle, and then of course I was bowling into
fairly stiff southerly and then I thought, well, I'm sort
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of in the naked here, so we let the other
Richard loose from the other end and barrel through them.
So it was a sort of good combined effort.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
There was a personal milestone too, and that for you.
I know that crickets don't necessarily live on personal milestones,
But it was the Test match where you took your
hundredth Test wicket, which was an achievement because we didn't
have too many players with one hundred Test wickets in
those days, did we?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
No, No, there was. I think Dick Montz was the
first one and he ended with one hundred, and then
Bruce Taylor went to one hundred and eleven, and then
I went to one hundred and sixteen I think it was,
and then Richard Hadley went to zoolans fanfuls of us all,
didn't he?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yes, indeed, is there really one point in that Test
match where you had it one? And I know you
know that the ebb and flow of that game was
such there wasn't a lot of runs scored. Was there
any one point that you could sit back and say, oh,
we've finally got them.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Ian Botham was the one man that can because he'd
got to He ended up getting one hundred and close
to it. He could really turn a game and we
and when he was run out, I thought, well, I
think we might really be able to knock these guys
over now, and that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
There was a controversial Test to some extent. It was
a controversial series for a couple of reasons. One of
the controversies, and it's lived on, was the non dismissal
of John Wright in the first over. Do you remember
that where he supposedly nick one behind, was given not
out and then beat it all day for fifty five Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, he a bit of a smile on his face
about that one. I think it was one of the
early balls and the test wasn't it. It's not the
first I can't remember now.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I think he likes talking about it now but doesn't
concede too much.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
No, no, no, he doesn't give too much away. But well,
let's say we had our suspicions.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
On his last trip to New Zealand. I didn't want
to miss the chance to ask boys about the nineteen
seventy eight tiest and the non dismissal of John Right.
And he was quite generous.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
The pitch was different, It was facing a different way.
The wind came straight down that ginnel. Yeah, one of
your really forceful wins. Be wore terrible bawling into it.
We had a poor pitch, I'll put you in. It
was damp, it was poor, and I'll always remember a
good friend of mine, I helpe you're listening in all
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your naughty boy John Ray first no, first ball, well,
first love, the first ball at the first over of
the day in his first Test match, blatant a glove
to the keeper you've ever seen in your life. And
if the umpire is still alive today or gave him
not out, he should be a shame.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
And he went and got fifty yard and he the
tests better all day.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It was a difficult pitch I've had a long time
for my seventy seven was it for England in the
first he was very difficult. And I'm telling you I
saw him because I know him well. He played at Derbyshire.
To come and ask me about Batten years later. It
was about a few years ago when he was in
India as the coach there, and we sat in one
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of the lounges and seen him many times since, and
he admitted he said definitely different.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Of course I loved it, but he said it was
my first Test match. I couldn't I couldn't go, I said,
you bastard. I said, you won the Test match for
him all that time fifty five he said.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
But he couldn't expect me to go in my first
Test match, and yeah he was and he got he
got My wife drug that night and all and read
wine against you absolutely puddled and she never is to see.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The thing is, would you have done exactly the same
if you'd been given not out on first his match?
Speaker 7 (29:15):
No, I always went when the umpire put.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
His fingers, he didn't put his finger out. You'll also
remember Richard Collins Rock. I seen him, yeah, and he
was a good bowler. He was a good bowler because
he was just the perfect delivery to get you on
the other cage, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah it was a good ball. He the second in
is he he nearly yorked me. He kind of bowled
into my pads and he cannoned off my pads onto.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
The stump, so I was out bowled. But he was
a good bowler.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I played against him in England as well, and I mean,
even without the greatness of Richard Hadley, he was a
good bowler because he was tall. He was hefty, strong, strong,
bowl fairly lively pace. He wasn't medium pace, he was
quite sharp. But I mean your two left armies you've
got now, I mean Richard Dwarfs then.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, yeah, he was a good bowler.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, I mean you had a good side because he
we had a poor batt inside.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
I took over as captain. Of course it wasn't my side.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
He was really really broke his arm in the in
a practice match in Pakistan Seecanda bat he jumped over
a length hit him on the arm.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
He had to go home.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
He missed the last Test in Karachi, had to take
over for and then we came here for three Test matches.
And I always say that our bowling was good. We
had both of them. We had Bob Willis who was
a good bowler. We had Chris old or Mike Hendrick.
We had Phillip Edmonds who was a good bowler. Truculent, difficult, awkward,
so and so, but he was a good bowler. It's
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our batting. We had a young kid gatting then. He
was only about seventeen eighteen. They used to bring one
on tour and other thought would be good and if
and heshed up being good playing Test crickey.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
But he was a young kid. I think we had
Randall yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Chatfield rope sadly he died a couple of years ago, but.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Brian rosebro wasn't here.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, and rule wasn't it wasn't strong about the shorts stuff,
and so we were we were a bit wobbling.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
He had a fairly good young player and a guy
called both of them.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, but he was an all around I said, he's
a wonderful bowler. But our butting was that he got
a hundred did and then christ the next the testing crisis,
which we won.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
But we really we really were like.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you probably have to accept
the fact that somebody getting you out on the base
reserve here for normally is not one I'm sorry, I
actually got off the mark. It was one of the
biggest moments here at the base Reserve. You have to
realize that for ten years after that was replayed it
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was cricket over and over again because it was it
was a It was a big moment for us here
in New Zealand. The great Jeffrey Boycott was out bowled
by Collins and we won the tea.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well, yes, I think if I'd have made runs we
would have had a chance.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, it was only one hundred and thirty seven.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
You were chosing.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I mean, I said afterwards at the conference with the media. Look,
if I had to do anything again, even without John
staying there, you know when he loved it for nought
and then went on and made fifty. If you had
to make one hundred and thirty in the fourth innings
of a test, I mean nine times out of ten,
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you'd take that, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
I mean, you know you should get that.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Maybe you'd be five down, six down, but you'd think, hallo,
one of us get fifty. And then you scratch around
each for ten years and ten there and a few
buys and leg bye, you'd get over somehow. But they
weren't very good batting. And Richard was a great bowler.
Richard Hardley was a truly great bowler.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Had any year I remember at the base reserve he
had a confrontation with Wis Armstrong, who was the groundsman,
and he went down to the ground shed and tried
to create a discussion with were's who who promptly picked
up a pitchfork and prodded it at him to push
him out of the groundsman shed so that he didn't
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get a chance to complain about the pitch. But Jeffrey
was like that, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, he certainly was the Only time that I used
to visit Where's's rooms was after an earnings that Wellington
had come off the field and Tails himself would wander
down and have a couple of cansworth Where's and that
was just a ritual that I didn't I actually hadn't
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heard that one of Jeffrey going down to the rooms there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I was lucky because I saw it, because that was
part of my job. I had to pick up all
the news stories at the time. But of course there
was a news story too in christ Hitch when well
He happened to be run out by one of his
own players.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I don't think we can use the language that was
used when when he came into the crease. But it
was the last session of the fourth day and really
England had us on toast and all they really needed
to do was score quickly in the last session, then
to clear overnight and whole data balls out. Well jeff
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was sort of blocking around and seemed to be going
for a not out and they sent I and both
of them in early and he just said I'm going
to run him out with a few explicives and got
to the strikers ended one like a rocket to Mark
Burgess and the covers took off and Geoff of course
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had backed up maybe a meter or so and he
and beat him to the bowls end and he's run
out at the at the striker's end, and so he
achieved his objective. As it was, but as it was
one of the memories I had from the christ There.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Was also the runout of at Randall two. Wasn't there
by Chet because he was backing up a man cat.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's right, it was, But there were a couple of
warnings given and Derek just kept, you know, he was
he was a third way down the track. They were
certain game for quick runs, but Derek didn't get many
because he was on his bike.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, you were captained by well there was. There was
Mark Burgess and Bevin Congdon were the basic leaders in
the team. Congo sadly has passed on. Mark Burgess won't
be there. But he was a significant part of the
batting lineup of any side New Zealand carried onto the
park in those days, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It certainly was, And it's you know, shad that birds
can't make it. It was always good to chat. You
have a chat with him, and I believe John Parker
is the one that he's another one that aren't make it.
It's pretty that he couldn't. But anyway, there's eight of us.
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But Mark certainly was made a very good hundred of
lords in the seventy three tests. In fact, there are
three of them from what I can recall, Congo who
made his one hundred and seventy odd, me, Big Balad
and Mark. So it was excellent to watch from the
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balcony from our dressing room.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You've been following the New zeal team even though you've
been living across the Testament. You followed them pretty closely.
What do you make it wrong?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The reffort in India was exceptional. You know, look, look,
no team has ever beaten India three zibo in the
Test series and really they they really played superbly in
all aspects. And with India coming over to Australia, I
was sort of saying to my Australian friends that are
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you know this rebel? Well it won't be too much
problem to you guys. You can knock him over. And
when they got knocked over for one hundred and fifty,
I thought, oh, jeeves, you know I picked it.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
What the Australian side and the reason behind it.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
All, they'd have to have a look at their batting.
A bit with McSweeney didn't really work because they may
have to give him another go and Larva Shane looked
completely out of touch and didn't really seem to know
what his footworks would be or where he stumps were,
and so they might have to make a few changes
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for the second test. But in saying that, I haven't
really I haven't really read much about it now.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
The interesting thing is, of course they always like to
get during sides on the Gama pitch first up, aren't they.
Well now they've got sides and they're using the bouncy
pacey pitch in Western Australia and it's backfired on them,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well it has But but then how superbly to the
Indian quick spowl. You know this this boomra fello je
because it goes to another level and he's just he's
just particularly line and length, isn't He's at you all
the time. And I was very impressed with them. And
they've got this Mohamed Sami to come back as well,
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and they've got a couple of injured batsmen to come
back in So I think India are going to get
stronger in Australia, probably at the crossroads, because you've got
to remember that a few of them, well most of
them are in their thirties, some in their mid to
late thirties, so it's time for them to start rebuilding
and bringing some young ones in. So that's something they'll
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have to think seriously about.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, it'll be interesting to see how that here he
pins out, because of course the World Test Championship Final
is on offer. In that game, Rock, I'll let you
get away and rest up because you've got a fairy
torrid weekend coming up with your old mates and I'm
sure you'll make the most of it.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
We will, and we'll look after Jerry for you.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
So anyway, Jerry, Rock's going to look after you in
christ Hitch, which will be really good. He'll keep you
on the straight and narrow, as he's always done in
the past.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
I'll tell you what I know, what Rock's looking after means,
and that's not a healthy sign at all for me.
The next day, I'll tell you you can't keep up
with him. I tell you it's not easy at all.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
It was.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
It was good hearing him. He sounds pretty good. Actually,
my word he had. He had to bowl a few
overs in that game, thank heavens. He was a bit younger,
I know.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
And that's sick and innings wads when New Zealand had
to defend about one hundred and thirty five or something
like that, and Rocket kept on running in from he
was bowling into the breeze coming from the city end
the ra of Van stand In and because because Richard
Hadley was bowling down the breeze and there were only
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twenty seven overs in that last innings of England and
Rocket and Richard Hadley bowled thirteen each.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
That's not a bad spell, is it. Really?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
It was broken I think by just the morning they
didn't they bowled in the last morning, didn't on the
fifth day, but there was a lot of bowling in
that last last part of the day on day four,
so I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
He was knackered.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Head come out over.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
So that's right, that's right, that's quite right. Well and yeah,
well you keep.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Him on the straight narrow, wander down here, enjoy quoting
and we'll review the check next week.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
JJ. Yeah good, that'd be great fun, all right, once take.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hello, a busy week on the front foot, India. Make
a bold statement in Perth. We aren't out of World
Test Championship just yet. England wom up and Queenstown for
the first Test of the three against the black Caps,
and we remember forty six years ago Goodness met another
first for our cricketers. First Test went over England after
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forty eight years and forty eight tests trying nineteen seventy eight.
Jeremy Joney, you didn't play in that game, but you're
going to be there watching just like me.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I was once Hello to you at I do remember
it was a bitterly cold couple of first days and
then I caught There was a rest day I think
in that Test match, and then I caught the important
day when New Zealand had to bowl in England out
and I was there for that too.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah. I think we'll be talking about a little bit
later on because a good friend of yours, Rock Collins,
just going to join us again. He was part of
that Test match. Played a significant goal too, didn't he.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yeah he did.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
He got important wickets I think three in the first
and certainly we all remember the first one of the
second lot of three in the second innings.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Of course, Boycott.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
That's quite a sort of an image of New Zealand cricket,
isn't it. They had hinted winning games New Zealand and
seventy three member Trent Bridge and then Lords, but that was.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Five years earlier. Finally they got this one at the Basin.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yep, and it was well achieved. There was a bit
of puttying after that one as well. We'll get some
reminiscences from Rock Collins a little later in the program. Boy,
what an interesting week in Perth, Jeriett. I didn't expect
that outcome. I didn't expect New Zealand to beat India
three nil in their series, and I certainly didn't expect
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India to walop Australia. I mean That is embarrassing, humiliating
defeat for the Aussies, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Massive?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Margined, massive, Australia flogged really and all the more galling,
I guess because they were ahead in the game after
bowling India out on day one for one hundred and fifties,
so they were in a good position and then Boomer
came to town, didn't he. I suppose the first thing
you'd say about that Australia took India to purse with
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one reason. That was to bounce them out hard, to
score heaps and win conclusively and get India down very
early on in the tour they were missing a few players,
and then take them to the day night a pinkball
game at Adelaide, which is Aussie side know pretty well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, the Aussies looked pretty insipid with the ball. The
first day they were fine, they looked as so they
had a bit of paste and energy. The three paste
ballers did the job. But from then on in after
they were rolled for one hundred and four, they didn't
really play a part, did they.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
It was really I suppose.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
First of all, that first day with all those wickets falling,
I think it was the sort of the past reputation
of the cracks right throughout this optus pit, and I
think the ground staff probably were a bit concerned about that,
and so they added water to prevent them drying out
and being exposed. And that meant the first day was
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kind of wickets on steroids, wasn't it really? But from
that first moment when India and Boomera in particular started
to claim wickets, the Aussies looked a bit lost, didn't
they sort of that there was a sign posted up
lost the plot, you know, and if anyone finds the plot,
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please come to the Australian dressing room and ask for
pat you know.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
It was one of those.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But and then India sort of built, you know, a
handi lead they had, and then Jase Wall and Raha
Kal Rahul had that lovely, you know, really a match
winning partnership.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, and Jess World didn't really show that much against
the news inders and home conditions, did he had one
good score. We didn't see anything from any of their
batsmen to a great degree. And you hear the commentators
talking about how poor the pictures were during that series
of Da Da Da Da Dada. Why don't they just
acknowledge that New Zealand were better.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Well they were. I mean, you know, those.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
People who've followed the game a lot, they will know
the answer to those things. They just didn't play very well.
India and New Zealand were in.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Those three tests.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
So yeah, I thought Jaceell gives you a bit of
a chance, doesn't he. He's but he's very attacking. But
I don't think we should forget those just those good
leaving the ball and forward and back defense that kept
him going. I thought Rahul kept him going too, having
a chat to him a lot and keeping him you know,
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steering him if you.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Like as well.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
No frozen feet from those two. They had their feet
going forward or back. I thought Rahul played pretty well actually,
and they went right through Day two and into Day
three and then Coley. You know, there was a few
contributions from other players, but Coley then very professional and
good timing and kept off a great Day three for India.
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And then of course Bumra came back again and what
were Ossie three down at the end of the day
and they must have just they must have just felt humiliated, really,
I mean, they're normally a very clinical kind of side.
But I don't know what you thought. But the site
of Laboshine, you know, the designated bouncer man at one
hundred and thirty k's in.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
The twenty fifth over while you could still see the
ball was still new.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And then later in the day bowling legs spin around
the wicket, bowling a negative line and getting called for wides.
I mean the field was just strewn around the boundary.
It was bewilderment right across the field, it seemed to me.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And you talked about that's when Australia looked most at loss.
You see somebody like Lavishee who is pretty much an
organized batsman, or has been. He's out of touch with
the bat too, isn't He doesn't look as though he's
you know, he used to walk out with the bats
swinging and he scored thirty by the time he got
to the middle. He doesn't look like that now, as
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though the confidence has gone out of his demeanor.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I don't think that bowling and know all that sort
of stuff really helps him either. I think just get
on with your batting manus. You know, he's always busy
in the park. He's a good fielder. But yeah, I
agree with you, I really.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
You couldn't see that.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It's rather tortuous first innings where he just couldn't he
as if he wasn't interested in scoring at all and
I do it lo wasn't easy. And then in the
second innings to come out and pad it off to
a ball on middle and off.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Is unlikely.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I mean, you know, it's unusual also for a player
who was the number one batsman in the world.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Sides have had situations like this. How do you get
out of it? How do you overcome what has been
a humiliation? Australians don't like being beaten, but they don't
like being fresh on their own property, do they.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh, they'll hate it and there will be plenty of discussions,
you can be sure, certainly in the media. And they'll
spring into action, won't they. I'm no doubt they've probably
started and people will be demanding, you know, three or
four changes.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
That won't happen.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, you know, but Ossie, they won't put up with
a side losing like that. They're generally a well prepared
and planned team. They usually teams give a side a
couple of tests, don't they As a minimum they've got
ten or twelve days now to get back, they've got
to get back to some great cricket. Wise, great cricket
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is quite strong in Australia, and I would have thought
players like Labrashine for example, you know, would get back
and they'd try and get just back to the autist
getting some rhythm about being a batsman once again.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
You know, they do have some problems, don't they.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Did you see that graphic that came up at one
stage where it showed you all the kind of collapses
of the top order in the last seven tests or
something like that.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
They were four to sixteen.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Against Yeah, and New Zealand were there five for eighty
remember that five for eighty in christ Church, six for
forty odd and then the first innings and then five
for seventy and the second in this latest test.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
So they've had a few.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's starting to become a bit of a pattern and
that will be concerning. But it's the Kowaja, the new
opener to replace, to replace Warner, Lover, Shane and Smooth. Yes,
they need those guys to start to get back to
the way that they were playing.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
They will say that.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Smith started to show a few nascent signs and the
second innings. They will say Head supplied a bit of
hope in that second innings. I'll say Mitchell Marsh did
a bit of the same. I'll say Stark and Hazelwood
were okay with the ball. Cummings didn't look himself, did he.
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I didn't think he really provided much threat at all.
But they are pretty good with the pink ball. They
haven't lost a Test with the pink ball in Adelaide,
so I wouldn't be surprised if Oz do a lot
better there.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, well, David Waller of course has joined the cheerleaders
now and they're not too concerned. These guys will pull
themselves out of it. Apparently the television commentators are right
in behind them and earning their money for hyping up
the game. And you know nothing is beyond this side,
so we will have to wait and see. One fan
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didn't take too kindly to the way the Australians playing
right on a cricket site. Australia look an old sider
in the match, which I guess with only one player
in their twenties is exactly what they are. Once the
likes of Stark, Lion, Kawadru and Smith go they left
to go through a rebuilding phase. Well, I've never really
had troubled rebuilding. Are they too old?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Now?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Some of these guys, you know, you do lose a
bit of pace, although I didn't see their pace was
down dramatically, did you know? I thought actually start looked
quite good in that first innings. Who got the next players? Yeah, exactly.
I thought he looked okay. I mean he's always been
a player that has offered up a few drives and
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things like that because he's searching for wickets, and you
couldn't blame him, I don't think from that if there
was anything, I thought the Aussies just bolder but short
and the ball was going over the stumps rather than
clattering into the top of them. But I don't know.
They've got people like Spencer Johnson, haven't they. There's a
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name that occurs to.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Me and Boland. Boland's been around.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
For a while.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Nissa. Nissa is another one.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
The other player who I don't know what's happened to him.
And you may know I've been searching Cameron Green. Where's he?
Is he injured?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Is he he's injured? Once taken?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Is he okay? Yeah? Yeah, I mean he to me
was the next best thing, wasn't he He's going about
at four and really take control of that. So and
of course he was a bowler as well.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
So and knowing those ossie players, they'll close their ranks
as more and more of the media and everything on
social media comes around, they'll close their ranks and they'll
circle the wagons and they'll say they'll think that no
one thinks we're any good, you know, but you know,
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we'll show them. You know, take a deep breath, everybody,
And I think that'll be.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
The way they take that'll be the way they take it.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
If they had been all out for one hundred in
that second innings, then it might have been slightly different,
but they got so running likely yeah it was for
a while, You're absolutely right, But boy, I mean, it
wasn't Boomra outstanding. I mean, here's something about that guy.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
The key breakthroughs early on.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And then India coming out and as I say, having
that great second innings and then Boomera once again at
the end of the day, and then boomer as soon
as head gets going back he comes claims the wicket.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
He was just fantastic.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And even some of the other guys I mean the
guy Ready, the guy Rana. They all played their pieces,
didn't they And even the catching. Look, how could Ozzie
have fifty extras? How could Ozzie have fifty extras? I
mean they were out caught that that lovely catch at batpad?
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Did you see that one by the ex keeper that
Durell up the off of Stark, really good catch at
short short leg. They were just better and you've got
to accept that some days, but then do something about it.
So that's the Aussies have got ten to twelve days,
so let's and there's four more tests, so let's let's
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not rush, but well done in near third to start
that series, so emphatically.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We've got a Test match in christ you'll be ending
down there shortly. We haven't heard too much from the
New Zealand camp, but we did hear an interview with
the coach of the side, Gary Stead. Basically he was
intimating four seamers. There won't be a front line spinner
because they didn't pick one, and it seems of course
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that Phillips is going to play, which means there's no
room or going to be no room for Will Young
unless they make some other adjustment. Now I find that
very harsh on Young. Whatever you've got within your side.
He's a form player. He's just dominated a series against
one of the best sides in the world and yet
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he could be sitting on the bench carrying the drinks.
That is going to be tough on somebody like Will Young,
but he seems to be able to accept it and
move on.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Well, he doesn't really have much choice, does he.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's his jobs to play when he's selected. Yeah, I
would have thought to me, as you know from last week,
I thought Young ought to be it was about his time.
It was going to be unlucky on whoever was left out,
and in my case I left Glenn Phillips out.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
But he's done a good job.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
And probably the weakness of my selection of leaving him
out was you know, so no one's going to get
the use of his part time off he's although how
much is that necessary at Hagley that's another question. But
the use of him at Gully. He's a good gully field,
isn't he. He takes some terrific catchers there and you know
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the selectors may go that way. But to me, the
gains of young outweigh the few overs that Phillips may
bowl and he's unlikely to get turned there.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
He's unlikely to get significant bounce.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
And the fact of it is, personally, I think the
four seamers are going to be.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
The ones who win you the game.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
With the catching behind the wicket, those are the two
important parts.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
With Hagley so.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And then it's going to be a decision on who
they choose as the fourth seemer, whether it's Nathan Smith
or whether it's Jacob Duffy. I'm inclined to go for
a Smith younger man has batting options as well, probably
a bit of batsman than Duffy, and is a player
who's had some good level cricket in recent times. He's
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been to Shrilanka of course with the one day side,
which probably made it tough for him to prepare for
a Test match. But he played a good role in
the worcestersh County side during the off season until he
got injured, so that would be my selection, apart from
the fact that he plays for Wellington.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I thought you might mention that in o eenthasies we
should turn up watch and see a green pitch. I
think that's how New Zealanders set up. Runs are going
to be important again, that sort of hints slightly at young.
England are likely to score faster and if New Zealand
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are good enough, they'll use that extra time that England
supply them, you know, with the faster run rate and
that sort of thing. The bowling for England, I'm interested
to see that they've chosen threes in their squad. That's
quite interesting from them because I mean, really to have
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three spinners plus Root and Bethel, who's another new Man
who's a left arm orthodox seems a wee bit excessive,
doesn't it for New Zealand conditions at this time of year.
They've got obviously seamers from the fast bowlers. They've got
Atkinson we know about him, a good bowler, relatively quick, cass,
(18:40):
strong bowler from up in the north.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Only had a couple of tests Ollie Stone.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
New Zealand have played against them when they were over
in England a couple of tours ago and of course Stokes,
so that seems to be there, you know. Seam bowling
contingent Dasher seems to be their choice for a spinner,
although they've got other ones there.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I wonder who'll drag this attack along once? You know?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
For England, I mean last two of they had Broad
and Anderson, didn't they and Robinson and they.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Had Leech as well.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Who's back again from Spinner and who will do that?
I mean Cassess has had two tests, Atkinson had's had eight,
Potts has had nine, and then Wokees has had fifty five.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Now, the only thing I would say.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
About quotes well exactly. But then you look at his
record with the kooker Borough ball. Here are the averages
for you in Australia when he's used the kooker Borough
he averages fifty one. In New Zealand, he averages fifty
in Pakistan, fifty five in South Africa. These are all
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places where you use the kooker Borough ball. South Africa
fifty six and the West Indies forty eight.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So there's a common kind of scene there.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
He may do well, it may all suddenly change, but
that's what he's done so far. So it's an interesting
one though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
What will happen on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Earlier this year the seventy three Black Caps reunited to
celebrate their first ever win over Australia this year. It's
the first win over England that brings the players together
at Hagley, although the win was at the base in
reserve at the time forty eight years forty eight tests
and Richard Collins played both the Tests, the one against
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Australia and the one against England and he joins on
the front foot again. Nice to have you back, Rock
and you'll be in the country to celebrate that win
with your teammates.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yes, Brian, thank you for inviting you to your show.
Always lovely to have a chat with you. Yes, there's
eight of us going to be at Hagley Oval for
the first black Caps English Test, and I think the
only ones winning are not coming beef of Coln and
of course who has passed on. Jeff House is living
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in England, probably a bit far for him to come,
Mark Burgess and John Parker the two middle or the batsman,
but the rest of us are going to be there.
So it's really exciting, I think from my point of
view to catch up twice with teammates in one year.
So I'm sure we're going to We're going to have
(21:38):
a good time, you've.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Been a regular rotender at test matches and at functions
back here in Gzilla, even though you live in Sydney.
It's important to you to retain those old relationships that
you built up over the cricket time.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh. Yes, absolutely, Brian. But I think that I think
it was Stephen Box said when we had the reunion
for the seventy four when and he saw us all
together and we had a night out and the eight
boys had a night out, and he said, well, look,
I think with our advancing years, we've got to make
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the best of every opportunity. And every time an opportunity
arises and we can, we get together. So I think
that's the sort of pack that the boys have made.
So no, no, it's very important. And you find that
you really carry on from where you left off last time,
such as the friendships that you made.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, and they were major victories for New Zealand, the
first one over Australia and then the first one over England.
Is one more memorable than the other to you?
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Or?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Are they both pretty high up there and the list
of cricket memories, Oh, they're both.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Very high up I think with the Australians their batting
lineup to lock them over twice in the caliber their
batting lineup, I think was a pretty exceptional effort. I
think that the end England one. There's probably the two
tests and seventy three. We had a pretty good chance
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of winning those ones and just sort of failed at
final hurdle. So that was also a very important win
in that you know that waited that long to beat England,
but it was. But you've kind of remember that when
we beat Australia, it was only the sixth official test
between the two nations because take out the forty six game.
(23:41):
They really didn't play chess cricket against US till seventy
three four seasons, so that was only the sixth test.
So for the England one was of course many more.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
My abiding memory of that seventy eight test, because I
was working doing interviews and sitting on the bank at
the time, was your dismissal of Jeffrey Boycott. The base
in reserve erupted when you knocked over his poll. Is
that one memory out of all the others, or is
there other significant moments in that test that you recall.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well, I think that was probably fairly important in the
sense that Jeffrey had added for I think well over
or just over seven hours for seventy odd in the
first innings. There were plenty of time left in the Test,
and it was probably very important that we did knock
him over early because he didn't mind batting for long
(24:37):
periods of time and didn't mind not scoring for three,
four or five others. You know, he just stuck it
out and he probably saw you, well, it was well up.
It was probably York or just about york a length
and he probably thought, oh, kias, I'll just whipped us
through the on side. But he played across it and misted,
(24:58):
of course in the rest of history. So that was
a very sort of important start for us, I think.
And then I got couple there wasn't Teff Miller and
Jerry Randle, and then of course I was bowling into
fairly stiff southerly and then I thought, well, I'm sort
(25:18):
of in the naked here, so we let the other
Richard loose from the other end and barrel through them.
So it was a sort of good combined effort.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
There was a personal milestone too, and that for you.
I know that crickets don't necessarily live on personal milestones,
But it was the Test match where you took your
hundredth Test wicket, which was an achievement because we didn't
have too many players with one hundred Test wickets in
those days, did we?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
No, No, there was. I think Dick Montz was the
first one and he ended with one hundred, and then
Bruce Taylor went to one hundred and eleven, and then
I went to one hundred and sixteen I think it was,
and then Richard Hadley went to zoolans fanfuls of us all,
didn't he?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yes, indeed, is there really one point in that Test
match where you had it one? And I know you
know that the ebb and flow of that game was
such there wasn't a lot of runs scored. Was there
any one point that you could sit back and say, oh,
we've finally got them.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Ian Botham was the one man that can because he'd
got to He ended up getting one hundred and close
to it. He could really turn a game and we
and when he was run out, I thought, well, I
think we might really be able to knock these guys
over now, and that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
There was a controversial Test to some extent. It was
a controversial series for a couple of reasons. One of
the controversies, and it's lived on, was the non dismissal
of John Wright in the first over. Do you remember
that where he supposedly nick one behind, was given not
out and then beat it all day for fifty five Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, he a bit of a smile on his face
about that one. I think it was one of the
early balls and the test wasn't it. It's not the
first I can't remember now.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I think he likes talking about it now but doesn't
concede too much.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
No, no, no, he doesn't give too much away. But well,
let's say we had our suspicions.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
On his last trip to New Zealand. I didn't want
to miss the chance to ask boys about the nineteen
seventy eight tiest and the non dismissal of John Right.
And he was quite generous.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
The pitch was different, It was facing a different way.
The wind came straight down that ginnel. Yeah, one of
your really forceful wins. Be wore terrible bawling into it.
We had a poor pitch, I'll put you in. It
was damp, it was poor, and I'll always remember a
good friend of mine, I helpe you're listening in all
(27:57):
your naughty boy John Ray first no, first ball, well,
first love, the first ball at the first over of
the day in his first Test match, blatant a glove
to the keeper you've ever seen in your life. And
if the umpire is still alive today or gave him
not out, he should be a shame.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
And he went and got fifty yard and he the
tests better all day.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It was a difficult pitch I've had a long time
for my seventy seven was it for England in the
first he was very difficult. And I'm telling you I
saw him because I know him well. He played at Derbyshire.
To come and ask me about Batten years later. It
was about a few years ago when he was in
India as the coach there, and we sat in one
(28:43):
of the lounges and seen him many times since, and
he admitted he said definitely different.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Of course I loved it, but he said it was
my first Test match. I couldn't I couldn't go, I said,
you bastard. I said, you won the Test match for
him all that time fifty five he said.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
But he couldn't expect me to go in my first
Test match, and yeah he was and he got he
got My wife drug that night and all and read
wine against you absolutely puddled and she never is to see.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The thing is, would you have done exactly the same
if you'd been given not out on first his match?
Speaker 7 (29:15):
No, I always went when the umpire put.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
His fingers, he didn't put his finger out. You'll also
remember Richard Collins Rock. I seen him, yeah, and he
was a good bowler. He was a good bowler because
he was just the perfect delivery to get you on
the other cage, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah it was a good ball. He the second in
is he he nearly yorked me. He kind of bowled
into my pads and he cannoned off my pads onto.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
The stump, so I was out bowled. But he was
a good bowler.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I played against him in England as well, and I mean,
even without the greatness of Richard Hadley, he was a
good bowler because he was tall. He was hefty, strong, strong,
bowl fairly lively pace. He wasn't medium pace, he was
quite sharp. But I mean your two left armies you've
got now, I mean Richard Dwarfs then.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, yeah, he was a good bowler.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, I mean you had a good side because he
we had a poor batt inside.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
I took over as captain. Of course it wasn't my side.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
He was really really broke his arm in the in
a practice match in Pakistan Seecanda bat he jumped over
a length hit him on the arm.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
He had to go home.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
He missed the last Test in Karachi, had to take
over for and then we came here for three Test matches.
And I always say that our bowling was good. We
had both of them. We had Bob Willis who was
a good bowler. We had Chris old or Mike Hendrick.
We had Phillip Edmonds who was a good bowler. Truculent, difficult, awkward,
so and so, but he was a good bowler. It's
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our batting. We had a young kid gatting then. He
was only about seventeen eighteen. They used to bring one
on tour and other thought would be good and if
and heshed up being good playing Test crickey.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
But he was a young kid. I think we had
Randall yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Chatfield rope sadly he died a couple of years ago, but.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Brian rosebro wasn't here.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, and rule wasn't it wasn't strong about the shorts stuff,
and so we were we were a bit wobbling.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
He had a fairly good young player and a guy
called both of them.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, but he was an all around I said, he's
a wonderful bowler. But our butting was that he got
a hundred did and then christ the next the testing crisis,
which we won.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
But we really we really were like.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you probably have to accept
the fact that somebody getting you out on the base
reserve here for normally is not one I'm sorry, I
actually got off the mark. It was one of the
biggest moments here at the base Reserve. You have to
realize that for ten years after that was replayed it
(31:59):
was cricket over and over again because it was it
was a It was a big moment for us here
in New Zealand. The great Jeffrey Boycott was out bowled
by Collins and we won the tea.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well, yes, I think if I'd have made runs we
would have had a chance.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, it was only one hundred and thirty seven.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
You were chosing.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I mean, I said afterwards at the conference with the media. Look,
if I had to do anything again, even without John
staying there, you know when he loved it for nought
and then went on and made fifty. If you had
to make one hundred and thirty in the fourth innings
of a test, I mean nine times out of ten,
(32:37):
you'd take that, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
I mean, you know you should get that.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Maybe you'd be five down, six down, but you'd think, hallo,
one of us get fifty. And then you scratch around
each for ten years and ten there and a few
buys and leg bye, you'd get over somehow. But they
weren't very good batting. And Richard was a great bowler.
Richard Hardley was a truly great bowler.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Had any year I remember at the base reserve he
had a confrontation with Wis Armstrong, who was the groundsman,
and he went down to the ground shed and tried
to create a discussion with were's who who promptly picked
up a pitchfork and prodded it at him to push
him out of the groundsman shed so that he didn't
(33:20):
get a chance to complain about the pitch. But Jeffrey
was like that, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, he certainly was the Only time that I used
to visit Where's's rooms was after an earnings that Wellington
had come off the field and Tails himself would wander
down and have a couple of cansworth Where's and that
was just a ritual that I didn't I actually hadn't
(33:45):
heard that one of Jeffrey going down to the rooms there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I was lucky because I saw it, because that was
part of my job. I had to pick up all
the news stories at the time. But of course there
was a news story too in christ Hitch when well
He happened to be run out by one of his
own players.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I don't think we can use the language that was
used when when he came into the crease. But it
was the last session of the fourth day and really
England had us on toast and all they really needed
to do was score quickly in the last session, then
to clear overnight and whole data balls out. Well jeff
(34:25):
was sort of blocking around and seemed to be going
for a not out and they sent I and both
of them in early and he just said I'm going
to run him out with a few explicives and got
to the strikers ended one like a rocket to Mark
Burgess and the covers took off and Geoff of course
(34:48):
had backed up maybe a meter or so and he
and beat him to the bowls end and he's run
out at the at the striker's end, and so he
achieved his objective. As it was, but as it was
one of the memories I had from the christ There.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Was also the runout of at Randall two. Wasn't there
by Chet because he was backing up a man cat.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's right, it was, But there were a couple of
warnings given and Derek just kept, you know, he was
he was a third way down the track. They were
certain game for quick runs, but Derek didn't get many
because he was on his bike.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, you were captained by well there was. There was
Mark Burgess and Bevin Congdon were the basic leaders in
the team. Congo sadly has passed on. Mark Burgess won't
be there. But he was a significant part of the
batting lineup of any side New Zealand carried onto the
park in those days, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It certainly was, And it's you know, shad that birds
can't make it. It was always good to chat. You
have a chat with him, and I believe John Parker
is the one that he's another one that aren't make it.
It's pretty that he couldn't. But anyway, there's eight of us.
(36:15):
But Mark certainly was made a very good hundred of
lords in the seventy three tests. In fact, there are
three of them from what I can recall, Congo who
made his one hundred and seventy odd, me, Big Balad
and Mark. So it was excellent to watch from the
(36:36):
balcony from our dressing room.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You've been following the New zeal team even though you've
been living across the Testament. You followed them pretty closely.
What do you make it wrong?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The reffort in India was exceptional. You know, look, look,
no team has ever beaten India three zibo in the
Test series and really they they really played superbly in
all aspects. And with India coming over to Australia, I
was sort of saying to my Australian friends that are
(37:07):
you know this rebel? Well it won't be too much
problem to you guys. You can knock him over. And
when they got knocked over for one hundred and fifty,
I thought, oh, jeeves, you know I picked it.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
What the Australian side and the reason behind it.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
All, they'd have to have a look at their batting.
A bit with McSweeney didn't really work because they may
have to give him another go and Larva Shane looked
completely out of touch and didn't really seem to know
what his footworks would be or where he stumps were,
and so they might have to make a few changes
(37:49):
for the second test. But in saying that, I haven't
really I haven't really read much about it now.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
The interesting thing is, of course they always like to
get during sides on the Gama pitch first up, aren't they.
Well now they've got sides and they're using the bouncy
pacey pitch in Western Australia and it's backfired on them,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Well it has But but then how superbly to the
Indian quick spowl. You know this this boomra fello je
because it goes to another level and he's just he's
just particularly line and length, isn't He's at you all
the time. And I was very impressed with them. And
they've got this Mohamed Sami to come back as well,
(38:37):
and they've got a couple of injured batsmen to come
back in So I think India are going to get
stronger in Australia, probably at the crossroads, because you've got
to remember that a few of them, well most of
them are in their thirties, some in their mid to
late thirties, so it's time for them to start rebuilding
and bringing some young ones in. So that's something they'll
(39:03):
have to think seriously about.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, it'll be interesting to see how that here he
pins out, because of course the World Test Championship Final
is on offer. In that game, Rock, I'll let you
get away and rest up because you've got a fairy
torrid weekend coming up with your old mates and I'm
sure you'll make the most of it.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
We will, and we'll look after Jerry for you.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
So anyway, Jerry, Rock's going to look after you in
christ Hitch, which will be really good. He'll keep you
on the straight and narrow, as he's always done in
the past.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
I'll tell you what I know, what Rock's looking after means,
and that's not a healthy sign at all for me.
The next day, I'll tell you you can't keep up
with him. I tell you it's not easy at all.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
It was.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
It was good hearing him. He sounds pretty good. Actually,
my word he had. He had to bowl a few
overs in that game, thank heavens. He was a bit younger,
I know.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
And that's sick and innings wads when New Zealand had
to defend about one hundred and thirty five or something
like that, and Rocket kept on running in from he
was bowling into the breeze coming from the city end
the ra of Van stand In and because because Richard
Hadley was bowling down the breeze and there were only
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twenty seven overs in that last innings of England and
Rocket and Richard Hadley bowled thirteen each.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
That's not a bad spell, is it. Really?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
It was broken I think by just the morning they
didn't they bowled in the last morning, didn't on the
fifth day, but there was a lot of bowling in
that last last part of the day on day four,
so I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
He was knackered.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Head come out over.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
So that's right, that's right, that's quite right. Well and yeah,
well you keep.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Him on the straight narrow, wander down here, enjoy quoting
and we'll review the check next week.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
JJ. Yeah good, that'd be great fun, all right, once take.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
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