December 30, 2024 • 41 mins
This week on On The Front Foot calls out Virat Kohli's arrogance and lenient penalty for behaviour at MCG, introduces a new player to the Blackcaps, shares encouraging news from former Blackcaps bowling coach about the depth in the New Zealand game.
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So on the Front Foot says goodbye to twenty four
and ushers in the twenty twenty five. With the changing
of the guard for the black Cats, new names emerging
in our top teams, beginning with the whiteball sides under
Mitchell Santner Bevan who Viven Jacobs. Of course, does the
domestic game possess enough depth. There's still a huge gulf
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between the White fans and Australia. FORBA black Caps give
her Tim Sudi won't be unemployed long, it seems He's
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kin to a slap on the hand with a wet
icc sanction. Well that's what veriack Coli got, Jerry boy?
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Was he lit off light? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
It was a bit mild, wasn't it, Yeah, Colie, in
constance the two k's rather than the three k's KKK
where they were in white.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Two odds, weren't they.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
But look, I don't know what you thought, but it
looked a very deliberate piece of you know, public bullying,
didn't It designed to upset a youngster who was getting
the better of the exchangers. And it was outside the
actual transaction of play, it wasn't It was in between overs.
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You know, occasionally bowlers and fielders get in the way
of batsman all the other way around because you know,
they're taking a run something like that. That's but this
one was very different, wasn't it. This was just a
direction of movement into a direct line of another player
in order to make contacts like swimmers stay in your
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own lane, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So yeah, I just I couldn't understand what prompted him
to do it. I mean, okay, so the young kid
was starting to show some exciting tendencies. I mean, he
only had to look at his second and to know
that he's not in the next Breadmond just yet. And
it was entertaining stuff that set the Melbourne crowd a light.
But was it Coley just saying don't try and outstage
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me or jump ahead of me in the Q soon,
or can I upset you? There was a real touch
of arrogance about it, even though where we probably shouldn't say.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
That, there was a bit of that. I think I'll
be the one to do this. If anyone's going to
do it from our team to try and upset him,
it'll be me.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And you know, I know it should constance call.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
For tackle bags behind the stumps in between overs.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I just felt it was just unnecessary. And I also
thought that it's another example really of officials not quite knowing
what to do, especially when it's involving India, who are
the important powerful ones at the moment. And I guess
whoever it was the match ref was he wants to
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go back to India at.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Some point, so.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
There'll be some in India who back him for doing it.
I mean, it's ridiculous. It was really just an extension
a new phase of sledging wasn't it. I mean it's
to put the opposition, put the opposition players off.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, just not something we want us see on a
cricket field.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Did you did you watch a lot of the Tests?
Did you see the Jasuell run out with Coley?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yep, yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But to me that was a touch of arrogance as well.
He was the non strike. He was called for a run.
Whether it was a good run or not. Jaswell had
played it up and taken the run and and Coley
just stood there his ground. He didn't you know, he
was basically ball watching and saying to Jaswell, hey, son,
don't there's no run there. I'm not I'm not putting
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my life at risk. And yet Jaswell had most of
the runs on the board at that stage. It seemed
a little bit strange. You sort of respond to your mate,
don't you when you're when you're betting.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Look, first, the first point I think to make about it.
It looked like to me a very tight run. He
actually hit that quite hard. Yeah, and it went to
a sort of a medium depths mid on didn't it
in Cummings and it went to the correct hand. And therefore,
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because he was a little bit deeper than beside the stumps.
There were three of them to aim at. So that's
why Jase Will kept moving. To me, he kept moving
swiftly because he knew it was tight. And really that's
Coley's job. You either take the guy on trust, which
you have to do because you can't ball watch there.
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You take the guy on trust and you run, or
the other option you've got is to shout out weight.
This is where you come back to your rules. Was
in your three calls, yes, no weight and weight would
have been an early call of weight and Jacewell probably
would have got back.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
If Coley wasn't intending to run.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
You shout weight. It's not worth a wicket, is it
for one run? So, and particularly at that time when
they kind of had Australia at their mercy a bit,
both of them batting well and a good partnership developing,
and it affected Coli. I mean he played wider than
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he normally had in that innings two or three overs later,
didn't need to bowl, and so that was an important
part of that game. Really, that that pulled. And I
mean they lost two or three wickets, didn't they quite quickly?
That that pulled India out of the game a little
bit and left quite a large deficit.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Just a quick question, when did yes no Weight become outdated?
Because she hears so many different calls, now, don't you running? One?
Maybe something that I always remember the one of Jabad
me and Dad, wasn't it when he was called and
it was looking like a runout and he said, yes,
I am not coming.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, And there's partner shaking hands with him. So
yeah that Look, it's been decided. It was decided over years, wads,
years and years, and you need to just be very
clear and concise. Needs to be concise. One word, it's
all you need, and very clear. So that was where
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the problem was. Jacewell taking a pretty tight run to
having to run hard because it was tight, kept running
and no response from Coolie really and then as you say,
started to turn behind him that he was gone then.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So it's that that that one, to mid On is
quite tricky.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You can be quite tricky and you've got to follow
the rules very carefully, and you've.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Got to pick your fielders too. Some are quick, some aren't,
and generally a bowl there and you think, well I
can get a run in here.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well the throw was quite wild, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I mean Carey had to go and get it and
then take it to the stumps, so so Jacewell would
have had time to go back, no doubt about that
in my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeap, interesting one. Well, we'll watched with interest because it
looks as though Australia are headed to the World Test
Championship with only a day and a Test match to play,
and of course South Africa have just guaranteed themselves a
place in the final by beating Pakistan in a Test
match back home. New names coming to the forefront in
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the New Zealand side for various reasons. So they've got
players who are overseas playing white ball cricket and aren't
playing in the home series, but a few new names.
I suppose you get to a stage when the players
who have been around a while are retiring. We've lost
Sauthi from the Test game. There's rumors of other players
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considering retirement and that's got to be considered. A new
name in the white ball side. Bevan Jacobs. Hardly knew him,
never heard of him until he played a game against
Wellington recently in the Plunket Shield. He's a major surprise
a player who hadn't featured in national prominence, and after
making the IPO contract list, it seemed less of a
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surprise that he should earn white Ball black Caps selection,
but all the same, a welcome surprise for a young
man from Auckland.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
If you told me this would happen a month ago,
I probably wouldn't believe it. It's it's yeah, like I said,
it's a cliche, but it's something you dream about. It's
something you know, I grew up watching and being able
to share the field with some of these players, I
think it is going to be pretty special, and I'm
just going to try to, you know, absorb as much
as I can learn from them and you know, and
hopefully be able to put some runs on the board
as well.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They're both pretty big surprises. I think.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I think the black Caps one was probably oh, I
don't even know. IPO feels like such a slim chance,
but black Caps is something that, you know, I've dreamed
about since since a kid. I think ipl was kind
of a focus or like a like a goal maybe
set a little bit later. Black Caps has always been
the dream, you know, So I think that's probably the
one that hit me the hardest, but obviously both both
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really special and just you know, glad to have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You've been selected for the ball team initially. But is
test cricket a goal also?
Speaker 7 (10:12):
I don't want to be a one dimensional better Obviously
I like to I like to bring that power game
into the team, but I think I think, you know,
going for that longer format stuff definitely something I want
to work towards and be recognized as going forward.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Does testmate cricket suit your style of play?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I mean there's obviously been some common trends with with
some extra power, some more creativity coming into the into
the red Bull set up there, but I think it's
more just about how everyone goes at their own sort
of way, right, And you know, if that's the way
that I can I can bring an impact in that situation,
then then that's.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
What I'm trying and do.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
But if it's if it's something a little bit more
than I need to develop, then I'll work on that
as well.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So what's been your development through the New Zealand game?
Born in South Africa, but you've progressed through the age
groups up north.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Came down to Lincoln on a on a cricket scholarship
and I got sorted with the strength and conditioning program
here and then I kind of just fell in love
with that sort of side of a side of the sport,
getting in the gym and you know, it's just something
that I like to tick off pretty pretty frequently. Obviously
growing up in Auckland's and that was awesome in age
group cricket. But yeah, I mean I spent three three
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good years down there and I really enjoyed it. And
so to get have it announced here, you know, it's
not it's not the worst situation ever, so it's good.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
So obviously grew up in Auckland, Hibiscus Coast as a junior,
played premier cricket for a couple of clubs and then
under seventeens for Auckland, under nineteens for Auckland and two
out of the.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Three we won, which was awesome.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
A good bunch of lads, a couple of which i'm
playing with right now, which is always good to share
the field with them, good memories. And then three three
seasons or two and a half seasons here in christ
Church with Sydenham, so that was also good. Fun, and
you know, every step of the way with each club
and which with each sort of organization really really supportive
of my journey and my career. So yeah, and that's
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been that's been really awesome. And even in school cricket,
you know, five years at Westlake Power Westlate Boys, really
enjoyed my time there. And then yes, starting off with
Canarby and then eventually moving back to Auckland. It's been
a bit of a journey of left and right. They're
about but Lack, I've enjoyed every step of the way
and I'm just I'm just glad that I can get
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the opportunity to hopefully go there on the park and
perform for everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's a bit of Jacobs showing there is dip from
the domestic game. Then to check that out, I called
into the basin where the Firebirds were training and I
had a chat with their coach, Shane Jurgenson, who says
they are meeting the numbers game, but are being tested
at times for depth. Jurgensen knows full well the talent
that Jacob's possesses. He scored well against Wellington and the
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Pluck at Shield earlier this season.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, he got two adies in a hurry.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
I was for sure already kept hitting the ball out
on the road, one of the bigger roundabouts in the
world around the base reserve. So yeah, it certainly hits
the ball a long way, hits the ball a long
way on both sides of the wicket, which makes for
the captain's extremely hard you know, hits ball cleanly over
met off as he does over you know the traditional
sort of maybe the hits to sort of mean on
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the mid wickets.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
So yeah, certainly a powerful young man, not a player
from nowhere.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Is obviously played a bit of cricket in christ Chitch
and played an Auckland domestic cricket. But we're at the
phase of the season now where the players coming through
the development phase. I suppose you're looking at We've had
one player retired to him South. There are rumors about
others who might ending their careers at some stage. Now's
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the time that you want your development players, don't you. Depth?
And I guess as a coach you're looking at that
depth in the competitions that you've got to play now.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Yeah, definitely, I think this is a similar time to
maybe COVID. Actually, so during COVID there was different squads
at times and players. You know, my time with the
Black Caps, he had the emergence of the Will Youngs,
Russian Rave Indra, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman. You know, when
you know, different players came in for different tours, whether
it be like for Ireland and Scotland and just just
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for an example, and that gay players, different players opportunity
to have that experience at that level. And I think,
as you know, that's the opportunity there is now during
this period of you know, the different contracts that have
been sort of set up as well and guys going
to play TEA twenty franchise cricket, there's an opportunity for
guys to come in and play a role.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You've had the problem in the past anyway with Ravender,
with Conway, et cetera, et cetera, ceterc. Blundle and so
have the other first class provinces associations had to find
some depth. Is it easy to get the quality of
depth that you want?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
No, not easy.
Speaker 8 (14:52):
You've got to sort of you know, for us here
we've had a week of preparation T twenty preparation that
was again for us, a great opportunity to get some
guys in to.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Be in and around the squad for a week.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
But we did some skills work fielding, batting and bowling,
and then we had a game.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
We wanted to have another game.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
We're actually going to have two T ten games, so
we could actually focus on different elements of T twenty
cricket in terms of the the powerful phases of death
and the start of the innings.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
But we missed out on doing that with the rain.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
But I think for us guys, the emergence of people
not just within our squad, Jesse tash Gov for example,
who's had some good opportunities at the NZ at eleven recently,
Troy Johnson, who's been around the squad for a while.
But then there were some players that we included Sam Morgan,
who's an opener from Upper Heart I think, and played
a couple of really good innings, and Oscar Jackson, who
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was in New Zealand and nineteen captain the last World
carp and Heat actually played some good innings in the
game it was played.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, so there's certainly some players.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
I think what this opportunity does is you have players
step up into the Black Caps. Then in your squad,
you know, we've got one of the biggest squads we've
ever had in the Wellington fire Birds, twenty three players,
so you know that's for us, that's managing that. But
at the moment we're actually down to only thirteen players.
So it's gone from having a wealth of players to
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all of a sudden with the amount of you know,
that's the success that we've had. I suppose here for
individuals being called up to Black Caps and his shrink
and tour and then yeah, and all of a sudden
we're down to thirteen players.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, and that depth has been tested too with one
of your bowling leaders, Nathan Smith, coming back from injury
and starting to show I think the talent that many
people believed he had. What did you think of his
Test match performance?
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Oh yeah, it contributed really well, just the way that
we thought he would. Really he's a real impact player.
He's exciting to watch, you know, hits the ball out
of the park, but also can play long innings if
you need fielding. I think there was a runout during
that Test series it was a great runout that he
was including. And then also you know he's bowling when
he comes on, he's he's very accurate, and he's always
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at the bowler, so yes, he's really gives you that
impact that you want as a player to be able
to keep pushing and looking to take wickets and score
runs and be a great field.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, and you get to a stage where I suppose
as a coach you want to win trophies that are
important to you, but you also have to prepare players
for higher honors, don't you. I mean you've got to
You've got to mix both those in terms of your.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Plans, don't you.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
I think all coaches have egos and you want to win.
But at the same time, you know, my role here
is highly.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Geared towards developing black Caps.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
The ones that are existing and also future black Caps,
and creating an environment where everyone can learn feel as
though that they belong and that's my that's basically probably
more important in a lot of ways. And then and
having making the push to win trophies. So I really
enjoy that aspect of it, you know, obviously having been
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at that level for nearly fifteen years and you know,
I might have a little bit of intel on how
to get there. But also it's also more importantly about
the player and their own development, to get their own
paths to get to that stage.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And you've got players who are pretty much on the verge.
You have a look at somebody like Nick Kelly, who's
been there or thereabouts in the new zeald No program,
and other players in your side, and I suppose that
they are akin to some of the players for the
other associations as well, aren't they. You see a guy
come into the Cannitory side and score a double ton
this first game as Captain Maru. I think, you know,
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these are obviously talented players who are looking for higher
honors as well, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh yeah, Nick Kelly, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
And you could also say Nick is in the form
of his life last sort of two or three years.
You know, extremely fit, can certainly push up to the
next level, no problem, tough player, really good feel for
the game, and also a game that can adapt to
all formats, which is one of one of the really
strong thing about Nick.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
You know, moa bass.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
You know, his impressive year last year, and the important
thing for him now is he's after you know, he's
really worked hard his fitness during the winter. He's certainly stronger, fitter.
He's had a couple of injuries because of that, because
all of a sudden he's a lot more powerful and
he's he's bowling quicker, and so he's but we're looking
for him to have a good impact with the balls
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or and the super smash coming on and bowling couple
overs in the middle stages. And then you've got, of course,
you know, someone like Tim Robinson who's had an amazing
super smash last year and with the black Caps now
and you know we're looking forward to getting him back.
You know, all those players like Nathan Smith. You know
we loved have him back as much as we can,
but you know we'll enjoy their experience and there you
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know what they can bring the team when we have them.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Just the development program suitable enough for preparing players for
international cricket. You've got the domestic competition. There's a development
squad of young players going around the country now at
and I look back to say the twenty nineteen World
Cup Under nineteen World Cup where Willow Rourke was there
and there's a couple of other players who are emerging
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from that. Is the program now good enough for the
development of these players to test match level cricketers or
international cricketers.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I think it certainly is.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
I think there's playing opportunities I think is really important
for us in New Zealand because we do sometimes well,
we do have long winters and the season is relatively
probably short in a lot of ways, and whether it
be club cricket or domestic cricket, you know, I think
the more playing opportunities young players can get is really crucial.
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The other part of it, which is really quite it's
quite a big job for us here for in Wellington
is training the guys up to understand how to look
after their bodies. And that's actually quite an extensive job
and we certainly got the resources here Ellington, but it
is a big job and there's not many.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Hands, but the guys that.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Are here really work hard, you know, like we've just
lost Matt Matt Long who's been a huge every instrumental
about players behaviors and attitudes off the field in terms
of that process towards recovery their fitness, and we've got
people involved in nutrition be able to play in back
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to back games if you only have one day's break,
which we will have in the Super Smash. So training
the guys up to understand their body is really quite
one of the other side.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Of domestic players.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
It's just not the cricket that's a big side of
the development of these players.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And one of those who's been injured, but I think
is back on the park at the moment as the
fields only there's Ben Sears, who's a young man and
we don't want to see the early end of his career.
I mean, it's nice to see Kyle Jamison back again bowling.
And you know, with the change of our bowlers that
you spend a lot of time coaching, there's a new
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breed at international level, wasn't he.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
There's a number of guys that are certainly popping their
heads up in terms of giving them opportunities. And you know,
seeing Jacob Duffy, you know his performance in the first
T twenty versus Sri Lanka, and you know he's been
waiting for his time for example, and he's sort of
he's not young obviously in age, but in terms of experience,
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he's still learning.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
About playing at that level.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Then you come back, yeah, Ben Ceazy, who's really really
excited to be back running around fielding like a crazy
man in the field.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
He'll be batting today and not bowling in the game.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
But I think seeing him coming back, and you know
he'll be appearing some at some stage during a super
Smash and getting himself in a situation where he could
be in line for selection maybe for the Champions Trophy.
So yeah, he's certainly coming back, and that's and again
that's that's our that's our job as a domestic team
is to look after him and get him ready for
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a black Cat.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, And I guess it's the same right across the country.
Canter we have the same issues in terms of what
they're doing on the issue of Sea isn't getting ready
at our other past bowlers. I'm one of those who
sort of says, we've got to look after these players.
We don't want to run them into the ground. But
you can look after them too much, can't you. They'll
end up not playing. So how do you manage your
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bowlers in that because you've got to be conscious of
the fact that you know what their body is like
as much as they have to know what their body
can do. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, I think it's just getting alignment with all parties.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
So we've been himself with the crucial part and with
the black Cat staff and also our staff, so you
know that can be a little bit of a tuggle
wall sometimes, but it's also because I suppose for us
we can have our eyes on him and we sort
of know where who's progressing. But I also understand, you know,
you know, one of the sayings that I sort of
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have sometimes that I can't remember who gave it to me,
wasn't originally from me, but you know, treating your fast
bay the really important aspect to take wickets and win
games of cricket and is treat them like race horses.
And you know there's periods of periodization where they're in
the paddock, you know, getting getting grazing and getting some rest,
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and then there's periods of time where they train hard
and then you've got to make sure you look after him.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
And because they're pretty powerful bodies and they do something
it's quite extreme.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
So it's really important that balancing act of preparation versus
playing and getting ready for the black Caps, and that's
what we're sort of going with Ben right now.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
How excited are you to see Kyle Jamison Beck and
perhaps also the development of Willow Rourke who had to
my mind and just an absolutely outstanding season.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Yeah, it would be awesome to get Kyle back in
that Test team if it was to happen, and great
to see him back on the field again. I think
it would be a real as well along with the
as well as the guys that are there now for
pretty formidable attack. You know, it was someone along the
lines with Rourke, Jamison, Henry.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Sears. You know there's some serious pace there and bounce.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
So you know, if that was, I'm sure Gary and
the selection team and would be pretty impressed to.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Have all those guys fitting available. But yeah, to see
Kyle back after a long road of recovery is just amazing.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
And yeah, Will Rourke, I came across him in an
under nineteen camp a few years ago. He was just
too old for the under nineteens, but Paul Wiseman and
the crew got him into sort of bowl and compare
and I was there and I looked at him and
I was actually umpiring in this practice game and I went, yeez,
who is this It's like And the first thing that
came to my mind is, my goodness, this guy if
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he goes, if you continue to do what he's doing
today and can do it, at the next level, the
next level again, he could be our next he could
be our version of Pat Cummings.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
And that's the first thing I straight.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Away I looked at him and this is Pat Cummins,
just always at you bounce.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
A pretty impressive young man. He's done so well. The
e really exciting future for him.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Jugo as he's known, the coach of the Firebirds, Jerry.
He got a pretty practical idea about where the game
is at. I like his analogy that his job is
there to prepare players for international cricket. He wants the trophies.
He says that, you know there are egos among the
coaching staff, but he's there to prepare international players. And
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you know that's where our development's got to come from,
doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Very experienced coach, been around a long time. Values the culture,
if you want, for want of a better word, how
the players get on together, how they're enjoying their game,
and they're important things. And I just thought the main
point he made Wads to me was he's identified as
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you and I have, is as most cricketers who are
interested in the game have, and you know this is
a time for development, doesn't it. It's a time where
the confluence of a couple of reasons.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
You've already mentioned one of them.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
That's the contract system in New Zealand, and it's the
players that hold all the power and that and they've
got the choice whether they want to opt out of
the shorter formats make a bit more cash for themselves.
And that's left holes holes in our particularly our white
ball team. And so that's why we're seeing these new names.
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I mean, and there are quite a lot of them,
aren't there. I mean, you could actually pick quite a
decent side from all the players.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
You've got Ferguson, Finnelle and Adam Miller and Tim Seifer,
they're the big bash, Caine Williams and Devon Conway. Lots
of openers there. You see Conway ciphered finn Allen. And
that's why we had didn't really have an opener in
this latest side, did we. We had to promote Ravendro
into there, even though he's battered there before for Wellington.
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And then you've got Ben Sears and Jamison a way
with injury. Then you've also got the players who went
to Pakistan, Blundle, Foxcroft, Josh Clarkson, he's one who hasn't
made it again is sod He was there and we're
young was there. So there's quite a lot of players
there that are unavailable for one reason and another. And
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the other reason, it seems to me, is that you know,
the succession plan for this particular these sides hasn't really
kind of existed. We've hung on to goodish players and
they've become good at certain times because they have been
held onto. So it's a fair enough kind of policy,
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but you do need to keep preparing for beneath them.
And I think that's maybe whether it's cash, having games
and all that sort of stuff. And I thought Jurgens
had made some decent points there that you know, he
highlights based bowler is knowing their own bodies and being
able to know what sort of length they can bowl
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and when they've had enough. And the other thing was
giving these players opportunities. We've actually discovering players that are
kind of are kind of showing they've got the ability,
haven't we wouldn't you say, I mean O'Rourke, especially in
the bowling departments O'Rourke, Henry Jamison, Sears, Smith Duffy that
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that to me okay, we've got a couple of batsmen,
the new batter bit Jamison and Smith. The rest don't.
But there's that's okay, and we've got pace, we've got
a bit of bounce, we've got some swing. I like
kind of like the look of that for the future.
Then you look at our spinners, Ajas Patel Santner has
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developed nicely in the in the recent past. You've got
Bracewolln Phillips coming on as well with the off spinners.
So our finger spinners are kind of there, and so
all that kind of as a as a body of players,
I think looks okay. It's the batting that is a
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bit more of a concern. I think I'm not too
sure of the answers to that. There were lots of
names that you and Durgo were talking about, but you know,
I haven't seen quite yet.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Enough of the batsmen coming through.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
No, And I guess that's a matter of opportunity. There's
this Guyrhyese Meru who's playing for Kenney, got a double
ton and they've got players. I mean, this was an
interview around a Wellington coach, but I think the same
issues apply to all the coaches. Up and down the
country in terms of finding places to put their quality players,
identifying the talent and giving them opportunities. And it seems
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with a development squad going around New Zealand moment playing games,
not playing long form games, which disappoints me to some extent.
But you know, there are opportunities for young players to
develop and that's the encouraging thing for New Zealand cricket,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Oh yeah, so we've got to We've got to commit
our money there. I think we do that, then I
think we'll find we've got better black Caps players. I
don't know whether you watched the game, Brian, the first
match between Sri Lanka and News. What a weird game.
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I mean, New Zealand were in a beautiful position to
lose twice, I mean five for sixty halfway through their innings,
all the top order gone and then they were rescued
by Mitchell Embracewell. Weren't they then one hundred and twenty
one for none Sri Lanka in the fourteenth they had
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ten wickets left to get fifty odd and what a heist.
Well done, Duffy, Well done, Duffy. I mean just exactly
at the end. Absolutely, he was a bit expensive at
the start, but he pulled it back certainly, and Henry
was solid and I thought well done for Duffy though
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with all those hours bowling before play and lunchtime and
end of the day's play. I've been watching him over
the Test series against England and he's pulled it, you know,
pulled it out.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
So that's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Stanton did okay also, you know, handling the questions as
a captain because they are under pressure, There's no doubt
about that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And the most encouraging thing about the last week or
so has been the fact that we've seen Kyle Jamison
back bowling at first class level, being services back on
the park playing as a batsman only in a practice
game for Wellington when I spoke to Shane Jurgensen and
these are the young men we want to look to
to hold New Zealand together over the next five to
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ten years. So encouraging and exciting stuff. Only this week
the White Fins held high hopes of winning the Rose
Bowl back from the Aussies, but a washout and two
emphatic defeats left them pondering how do we bridge the
Gulf between the ANZAC nations, here's been suet.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
There's a lot of positives to take out of it.
I think the way that Bella came in and showed
real good positive intern from the start. Obviously, Molly's you know,
the way that she bowled in that first game was excellent.
I thought the way that Maddie started today was great.
Susie batted well. It's just about being able to do
those things for a little bit longer. I think the
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takeaway is that in the T twenty and that shorter game,
out some really good plans and we're able to execute
those and it's spent out to do that for fifty overs.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You were able to bowl them out in game three,
but we're still lift chasing a mess of total.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Twice we've done that. I think we were the first
thing to bowl them out in T twenty for a while,
so you know, I think we took seventeen wickets across
the two games, So yes, that's a positive, but to
nearly get three hun both times is yeah, something that
we've got to work on to be able to just
defend a little bit better so that we're not asking
our batting team to chase three hundred against probably one
of the better attacks in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Wides boundaries, dropped chances contributed to the difference between sides
and also the experienced individuals in that Australian team.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
I think the difference in both games was one player,
you know, Southerly when I got one hundred. I think,
you know, Ash got a really good seventy today and
it's just that one big score that we probably missed
in both innings. So yeah, look, there were great signs.
I thought we were on track there. We left about
one forty in the last twenty, which is what you'd
expect to get in a T twenty game, but you
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just fell away towards the end.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Positive signs from Bella James on debut.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Yeah, just the intent that she showed to play those
little lap shots that she did against like I said,
some of the world's best is really impressive. So she's
not scared by the biggest scene and that's a real positive.
So yeah, I think, you know, she's going to be
really good for us going forward.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
What's the plan for your players now? Domestically?
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Firstly, for our White Ferns, it's important that they go
back and they be the best players in the comp
that's what we're going to ask them to do. You know,
might happen all the time, but that's that's what we
want them to achieve. And and like you said, there's
there's spots up for grabs still in the batting line up.
We want to we want to increase the depth there.
So you know, anyone in domestic cricket that can put
their hand up in this little phase is is probably
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going to get an opportunity in ODII cricket. And I
think that's a real positive. So you know, we're looking
for the depth in that batting line up in particular.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Ben Toya, of course he's the coach and he's been
re signed for another two years, has to be positive.
He did look at the positives, but I think he
understands there is a mess of golf that has to
be bridged some way. Durian and I think we always
knew that was going to be the case, didn't we.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I think everybody knows that they are slightly better side
than New Zealand. The thing is when you when you
lose matches, you tend to emphasize the good thing your
team had done, you know, So New Zealand talk about
have bended Molly Penfold's four wickets in the second game,
and Bella James getting a couple of twenties on deve
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Boo and Maddie Green getting a cuple of thirty not out,
you know, and you therefore you dig into the minuti
of games where really, for me, the big message was
they were both pretty one sided games, weren't they. And
you said that one of your questions, you said.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
What about all the catchers.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Our drop catchers anyway, they were pretty costly in the
forty three wides, they were quite costly and three runouts
and two of them involving Amelia Kerr, who's probably our
best all round the ground player.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
So you know, there are certain things.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
And our bowler is you know, always going at five
to six and over. So you know that may sound
a bit harsh and we like to be as positive
we can, but I mean, honestly, isn't a bad place
to start. It's like the New Zealand teams saying no,
we're a good catching team after the first Test, you know,
not that day you weren't. So you know, it's a
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good place to start as a point of improvement. And
then you begin the plans and establishing those and the
work you need to do. It's a large task to
generate more women players in New Zealand. Maybe I don't know,
maybe our World Cup win will be the spark to
generate a few of those. But you know, we we
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need more depths below it, We need more games, We
need them to play.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
In different competitions if we can.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
So it's all money in the end, was for our
for our in it, so so it's a question of priorities,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
But but yeah, they were a long way, long way short.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, and they've got games coming up to qualify for
the next World Cup. So it would be interesting to
see what kind of development they go through. But I
guess they have to.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Is that against India, we don't.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Know, we don't know who they are because it'll be
a time of players teams that haven't qualified for the
Women's World Cup. Finally, I didn't realize that you were
such a big star on Facebook, did you.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Because I don't have it. I don't have Facebook.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
No, but you appeared or you were quoted or you
were mentioned.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It gets back to the sledging issue. I'll read you
the exchange. I'm dropping this on you right out of
the blue, Kevin and Patterson putting on the issue about Coley.
He says, this is Melbourne, this is the home of
the sledge. You don't survive playing in a suburban cricket
in Footscray, Collingwood, Richmond without bringing the sledge and now
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the nudge. You've got to love Coley forgetting it and
embracing Ossie culture. And a reply from one of your
former teammates to Kevin Patterson say that wasn't sledging Melbourne
or anywhere else. The cleverest sledger I ever saw was
Jerry Coney, who was too clever for most. I didn't
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know you were a sledger.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Just a quiet one.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Was just a few little gentle words, usually from from
in close, in close, on the off.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Side, Ah, what was your best?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
But well, I don't know whether they were.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
They're not really they're not like you so and so
or anything like that. It was more just suggestions, queries
doubting their ability.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
We liked the look of that. We like the look
of that, fellas Ef.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
You know what we were talking about last night, Evan Gray.
Remember the thing we said about this player, this player,
Shall we try that now?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Okay? And well you know, and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Really it was it was more suggestive than that sledging.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Playing with the mind, yeah, that one.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You were too clever for many of them, apparently, according
to your former teammate, for which I am going to
take issue, of course. But never mind. We will celebrate,
We will celebrate New Year. I'm sure you will celebrate it,
and we will be back in the new year with
on the front foot. Have a good break and enjoy
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the celebrations of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Absolutely all my best to everyone who listens, and those
who don't, that's right, that's their problem, and I just
hope you have a good a good time with your
families and because that's what that's the time of the year, really,
isn't it. So so the best best wishes from us.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Indeed, Thanks Jerry Cares.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Cheers once.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
Summer.
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kin to a slap on the hand with a wet
icc sanction. Well that's what veriack Coli got, Jerry boy?
(01:34):
Was he lit off light? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
It was a bit mild, wasn't it, Yeah, Colie, in
constance the two k's rather than the three k's KKK
where they were in white.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Two odds, weren't they.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
But look, I don't know what you thought, but it
looked a very deliberate piece of you know, public bullying,
didn't It designed to upset a youngster who was getting
the better of the exchangers. And it was outside the
actual transaction of play, it wasn't It was in between overs.
(02:13):
You know, occasionally bowlers and fielders get in the way
of batsman all the other way around because you know,
they're taking a run something like that. That's but this
one was very different, wasn't it. This was just a
direction of movement into a direct line of another player
in order to make contacts like swimmers stay in your
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own lane, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So yeah, I just I couldn't understand what prompted him
to do it. I mean, okay, so the young kid
was starting to show some exciting tendencies. I mean, he
only had to look at his second and to know
that he's not in the next Breadmond just yet. And
it was entertaining stuff that set the Melbourne crowd a light.
But was it Coley just saying don't try and outstage
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me or jump ahead of me in the Q soon,
or can I upset you? There was a real touch
of arrogance about it, even though where we probably shouldn't say.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
That, there was a bit of that. I think I'll
be the one to do this. If anyone's going to
do it from our team to try and upset him,
it'll be me.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And you know, I know it should constance call.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
For tackle bags behind the stumps in between overs.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
I just felt it was just unnecessary. And I also
thought that it's another example really of officials not quite knowing
what to do, especially when it's involving India, who are
the important powerful ones at the moment. And I guess
whoever it was the match ref was he wants to
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go back to India at.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Some point, so.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
There'll be some in India who back him for doing it.
I mean, it's ridiculous. It was really just an extension
a new phase of sledging wasn't it. I mean it's
to put the opposition, put the opposition players off.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, just not something we want us see on a
cricket field.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Did you did you watch a lot of the Tests?
Did you see the Jasuell run out with Coley?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yep, yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But to me that was a touch of arrogance as well.
He was the non strike. He was called for a run.
Whether it was a good run or not. Jaswell had
played it up and taken the run and and Coley
just stood there his ground. He didn't you know, he
was basically ball watching and saying to Jaswell, hey, son,
don't there's no run there. I'm not I'm not putting
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my life at risk. And yet Jaswell had most of
the runs on the board at that stage. It seemed
a little bit strange. You sort of respond to your mate,
don't you when you're when you're betting.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Look, first, the first point I think to make about it.
It looked like to me a very tight run. He
actually hit that quite hard. Yeah, and it went to
a sort of a medium depths mid on didn't it
in Cummings and it went to the correct hand. And therefore,
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because he was a little bit deeper than beside the stumps.
There were three of them to aim at. So that's
why Jase Will kept moving. To me, he kept moving
swiftly because he knew it was tight. And really that's
Coley's job. You either take the guy on trust, which
you have to do because you can't ball watch there.
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You take the guy on trust and you run, or
the other option you've got is to shout out weight.
This is where you come back to your rules. Was
in your three calls, yes, no weight and weight would
have been an early call of weight and Jacewell probably
would have got back.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
If Coley wasn't intending to run.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
You shout weight. It's not worth a wicket, is it
for one run? So, and particularly at that time when
they kind of had Australia at their mercy a bit,
both of them batting well and a good partnership developing,
and it affected Coli. I mean he played wider than
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he normally had in that innings two or three overs later,
didn't need to bowl, and so that was an important
part of that game. Really, that that pulled. And I
mean they lost two or three wickets, didn't they quite quickly?
That that pulled India out of the game a little
bit and left quite a large deficit.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Just a quick question, when did yes no Weight become outdated?
Because she hears so many different calls, now, don't you running? One?
Maybe something that I always remember the one of Jabad
me and Dad, wasn't it when he was called and
it was looking like a runout and he said, yes,
I am not coming.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, And there's partner shaking hands with him. So
yeah that Look, it's been decided. It was decided over years, wads,
years and years, and you need to just be very
clear and concise. Needs to be concise. One word, it's
all you need, and very clear. So that was where
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the problem was. Jacewell taking a pretty tight run to
having to run hard because it was tight, kept running
and no response from Coolie really and then as you say,
started to turn behind him that he was gone then.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So it's that that that one, to mid On is
quite tricky.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You can be quite tricky and you've got to follow
the rules very carefully, and you've.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Got to pick your fielders too. Some are quick, some aren't,
and generally a bowl there and you think, well I
can get a run in here.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well the throw was quite wild, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I mean Carey had to go and get it and
then take it to the stumps, so so Jacewell would
have had time to go back, no doubt about that
in my mind.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeap, interesting one. Well, we'll watched with interest because it
looks as though Australia are headed to the World Test
Championship with only a day and a Test match to play,
and of course South Africa have just guaranteed themselves a
place in the final by beating Pakistan in a Test
match back home. New names coming to the forefront in
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the New Zealand side for various reasons. So they've got
players who are overseas playing white ball cricket and aren't
playing in the home series, but a few new names.
I suppose you get to a stage when the players
who have been around a while are retiring. We've lost
Sauthi from the Test game. There's rumors of other players
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considering retirement and that's got to be considered. A new
name in the white ball side. Bevan Jacobs. Hardly knew him,
never heard of him until he played a game against
Wellington recently in the Plunket Shield. He's a major surprise
a player who hadn't featured in national prominence, and after
making the IPO contract list, it seemed less of a
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surprise that he should earn white Ball black Caps selection,
but all the same, a welcome surprise for a young
man from Auckland.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
If you told me this would happen a month ago,
I probably wouldn't believe it. It's it's yeah, like I said,
it's a cliche, but it's something you dream about. It's
something you know, I grew up watching and being able
to share the field with some of these players, I
think it is going to be pretty special, and I'm
just going to try to, you know, absorb as much
as I can learn from them and you know, and
hopefully be able to put some runs on the board
as well.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They're both pretty big surprises. I think.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I think the black Caps one was probably oh, I
don't even know. IPO feels like such a slim chance,
but black Caps is something that, you know, I've dreamed
about since since a kid. I think ipl was kind
of a focus or like a like a goal maybe
set a little bit later. Black Caps has always been
the dream, you know, So I think that's probably the
one that hit me the hardest, but obviously both both
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really special and just you know, glad to have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You've been selected for the ball team initially. But is
test cricket a goal also?
Speaker 7 (10:12):
I don't want to be a one dimensional better Obviously
I like to I like to bring that power game
into the team, but I think I think, you know,
going for that longer format stuff definitely something I want
to work towards and be recognized as going forward.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Does testmate cricket suit your style of play?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I mean there's obviously been some common trends with with
some extra power, some more creativity coming into the into
the red Bull set up there, but I think it's
more just about how everyone goes at their own sort
of way, right, And you know, if that's the way
that I can I can bring an impact in that situation,
then then that's.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
What I'm trying and do.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
But if it's if it's something a little bit more
than I need to develop, then I'll work on that
as well.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So what's been your development through the New Zealand game?
Born in South Africa, but you've progressed through the age
groups up north.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
Came down to Lincoln on a on a cricket scholarship
and I got sorted with the strength and conditioning program
here and then I kind of just fell in love
with that sort of side of a side of the sport,
getting in the gym and you know, it's just something
that I like to tick off pretty pretty frequently. Obviously
growing up in Auckland's and that was awesome in age
group cricket. But yeah, I mean I spent three three
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good years down there and I really enjoyed it. And
so to get have it announced here, you know, it's
not it's not the worst situation ever, so it's good.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
So obviously grew up in Auckland, Hibiscus Coast as a junior,
played premier cricket for a couple of clubs and then
under seventeens for Auckland, under nineteens for Auckland and two
out of the.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Three we won, which was awesome.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
A good bunch of lads, a couple of which i'm
playing with right now, which is always good to share
the field with them, good memories. And then three three
seasons or two and a half seasons here in christ
Church with Sydenham, so that was also good. Fun, and
you know, every step of the way with each club
and which with each sort of organization really really supportive
of my journey and my career. So yeah, and that's
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been that's been really awesome. And even in school cricket,
you know, five years at Westlake Power Westlate Boys, really
enjoyed my time there. And then yes, starting off with
Canarby and then eventually moving back to Auckland. It's been
a bit of a journey of left and right. They're
about but Lack, I've enjoyed every step of the way
and I'm just I'm just glad that I can get
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the opportunity to hopefully go there on the park and
perform for everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's a bit of Jacobs showing there is dip from
the domestic game. Then to check that out, I called
into the basin where the Firebirds were training and I
had a chat with their coach, Shane Jurgenson, who says
they are meeting the numbers game, but are being tested
at times for depth. Jurgensen knows full well the talent
that Jacob's possesses. He scored well against Wellington and the
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Pluck at Shield earlier this season.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, he got two adies in a hurry.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
I was for sure already kept hitting the ball out
on the road, one of the bigger roundabouts in the
world around the base reserve. So yeah, it certainly hits
the ball a long way, hits the ball a long
way on both sides of the wicket, which makes for
the captain's extremely hard you know, hits ball cleanly over
met off as he does over you know the traditional
sort of maybe the hits to sort of mean on
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the mid wickets.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
So yeah, certainly a powerful young man, not a player
from nowhere.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Is obviously played a bit of cricket in christ Chitch
and played an Auckland domestic cricket. But we're at the
phase of the season now where the players coming through
the development phase. I suppose you're looking at We've had
one player retired to him South. There are rumors about
others who might ending their careers at some stage. Now's
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the time that you want your development players, don't you. Depth?
And I guess as a coach you're looking at that
depth in the competitions that you've got to play now.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Yeah, definitely, I think this is a similar time to
maybe COVID. Actually, so during COVID there was different squads
at times and players. You know, my time with the
Black Caps, he had the emergence of the Will Youngs,
Russian Rave Indra, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman. You know, when
you know, different players came in for different tours, whether
it be like for Ireland and Scotland and just just
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for an example, and that gay players, different players opportunity
to have that experience at that level. And I think,
as you know, that's the opportunity there is now during
this period of you know, the different contracts that have
been sort of set up as well and guys going
to play TEA twenty franchise cricket, there's an opportunity for
guys to come in and play a role.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You've had the problem in the past anyway with Ravender,
with Conway, et cetera, et cetera, ceterc. Blundle and so
have the other first class provinces associations had to find
some depth. Is it easy to get the quality of
depth that you want?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
No, not easy.
Speaker 8 (14:52):
You've got to sort of you know, for us here
we've had a week of preparation T twenty preparation that
was again for us, a great opportunity to get some
guys in to.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Be in and around the squad for a week.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
But we did some skills work fielding, batting and bowling,
and then we had a game.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
We wanted to have another game.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
We're actually going to have two T ten games, so
we could actually focus on different elements of T twenty
cricket in terms of the the powerful phases of death
and the start of the innings.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
But we missed out on doing that with the rain.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
But I think for us guys, the emergence of people
not just within our squad, Jesse tash Gov for example,
who's had some good opportunities at the NZ at eleven recently,
Troy Johnson, who's been around the squad for a while.
But then there were some players that we included Sam Morgan,
who's an opener from Upper Heart I think, and played
a couple of really good innings, and Oscar Jackson, who
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was in New Zealand and nineteen captain the last World
carp and Heat actually played some good innings in the
game it was played.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, so there's certainly some players.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
I think what this opportunity does is you have players
step up into the Black Caps. Then in your squad,
you know, we've got one of the biggest squads we've
ever had in the Wellington fire Birds, twenty three players,
so you know that's for us, that's managing that. But
at the moment we're actually down to only thirteen players.
So it's gone from having a wealth of players to
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all of a sudden with the amount of you know,
that's the success that we've had. I suppose here for
individuals being called up to Black Caps and his shrink
and tour and then yeah, and all of a sudden
we're down to thirteen players.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, and that depth has been tested too with one
of your bowling leaders, Nathan Smith, coming back from injury
and starting to show I think the talent that many
people believed he had. What did you think of his
Test match performance?
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Oh yeah, it contributed really well, just the way that
we thought he would. Really he's a real impact player.
He's exciting to watch, you know, hits the ball out
of the park, but also can play long innings if
you need fielding. I think there was a runout during
that Test series it was a great runout that he
was including. And then also you know he's bowling when
he comes on, he's he's very accurate, and he's always
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at the bowler, so yes, he's really gives you that
impact that you want as a player to be able
to keep pushing and looking to take wickets and score
runs and be a great field.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, and you get to a stage where I suppose
as a coach you want to win trophies that are
important to you, but you also have to prepare players
for higher honors, don't you. I mean you've got to
You've got to mix both those in terms of your.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Plans, don't you.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
I think all coaches have egos and you want to win.
But at the same time, you know, my role here
is highly.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Geared towards developing black Caps.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
The ones that are existing and also future black Caps,
and creating an environment where everyone can learn feel as
though that they belong and that's my that's basically probably
more important in a lot of ways. And then and
having making the push to win trophies. So I really
enjoy that aspect of it, you know, obviously having been
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at that level for nearly fifteen years and you know,
I might have a little bit of intel on how
to get there. But also it's also more importantly about
the player and their own development, to get their own
paths to get to that stage.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And you've got players who are pretty much on the verge.
You have a look at somebody like Nick Kelly, who's
been there or thereabouts in the new zeald No program,
and other players in your side, and I suppose that
they are akin to some of the players for the
other associations as well, aren't they. You see a guy
come into the Cannitory side and score a double ton
this first game as Captain Maru. I think, you know,
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these are obviously talented players who are looking for higher
honors as well, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh yeah, Nick Kelly, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
And you could also say Nick is in the form
of his life last sort of two or three years.
You know, extremely fit, can certainly push up to the
next level, no problem, tough player, really good feel for
the game, and also a game that can adapt to
all formats, which is one of one of the really
strong thing about Nick.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
You know, moa bass.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
You know, his impressive year last year, and the important
thing for him now is he's after you know, he's
really worked hard his fitness during the winter. He's certainly stronger, fitter.
He's had a couple of injuries because of that, because
all of a sudden he's a lot more powerful and
he's he's bowling quicker, and so he's but we're looking
for him to have a good impact with the balls
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or and the super smash coming on and bowling couple
overs in the middle stages. And then you've got, of course,
you know, someone like Tim Robinson who's had an amazing
super smash last year and with the black Caps now
and you know we're looking forward to getting him back.
You know, all those players like Nathan Smith. You know
we loved have him back as much as we can,
but you know we'll enjoy their experience and there you
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know what they can bring the team when we have them.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Just the development program suitable enough for preparing players for
international cricket. You've got the domestic competition. There's a development
squad of young players going around the country now at
and I look back to say the twenty nineteen World
Cup Under nineteen World Cup where Willow Rourke was there
and there's a couple of other players who are emerging
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from that. Is the program now good enough for the
development of these players to test match level cricketers or
international cricketers.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I think it certainly is.
Speaker 8 (20:28):
I think there's playing opportunities I think is really important
for us in New Zealand because we do sometimes well,
we do have long winters and the season is relatively
probably short in a lot of ways, and whether it
be club cricket or domestic cricket, you know, I think
the more playing opportunities young players can get is really crucial.
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The other part of it, which is really quite it's
quite a big job for us here for in Wellington
is training the guys up to understand how to look
after their bodies. And that's actually quite an extensive job
and we certainly got the resources here Ellington, but it
is a big job and there's not many.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Hands, but the guys that.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Are here really work hard, you know, like we've just
lost Matt Matt Long who's been a huge every instrumental
about players behaviors and attitudes off the field in terms
of that process towards recovery their fitness, and we've got
people involved in nutrition be able to play in back
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to back games if you only have one day's break,
which we will have in the Super Smash. So training
the guys up to understand their body is really quite
one of the other side.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Of domestic players.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
It's just not the cricket that's a big side of
the development of these players.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And one of those who's been injured, but I think
is back on the park at the moment as the
fields only there's Ben Sears, who's a young man and
we don't want to see the early end of his career.
I mean, it's nice to see Kyle Jamison back again bowling.
And you know, with the change of our bowlers that
you spend a lot of time coaching, there's a new
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breed at international level, wasn't he.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
There's a number of guys that are certainly popping their
heads up in terms of giving them opportunities. And you know,
seeing Jacob Duffy, you know his performance in the first
T twenty versus Sri Lanka, and you know he's been
waiting for his time for example, and he's sort of
he's not young obviously in age, but in terms of experience,
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he's still learning.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
About playing at that level.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Then you come back, yeah, Ben Ceazy, who's really really
excited to be back running around fielding like a crazy
man in the field.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
He'll be batting today and not bowling in the game.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
But I think seeing him coming back, and you know
he'll be appearing some at some stage during a super
Smash and getting himself in a situation where he could
be in line for selection maybe for the Champions Trophy.
So yeah, he's certainly coming back, and that's and again
that's that's our that's our job as a domestic team
is to look after him and get him ready for
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a black Cat.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, And I guess it's the same right across the country.
Canter we have the same issues in terms of what
they're doing on the issue of Sea isn't getting ready
at our other past bowlers. I'm one of those who
sort of says, we've got to look after these players.
We don't want to run them into the ground. But
you can look after them too much, can't you. They'll
end up not playing. So how do you manage your
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bowlers in that because you've got to be conscious of
the fact that you know what their body is like
as much as they have to know what their body
can do. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, I think it's just getting alignment with all parties.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
So we've been himself with the crucial part and with
the black Cat staff and also our staff, so you
know that can be a little bit of a tuggle
wall sometimes, but it's also because I suppose for us
we can have our eyes on him and we sort
of know where who's progressing. But I also understand, you know,
you know, one of the sayings that I sort of
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have sometimes that I can't remember who gave it to me,
wasn't originally from me, but you know, treating your fast
bay the really important aspect to take wickets and win
games of cricket and is treat them like race horses.
And you know there's periods of periodization where they're in
the paddock, you know, getting getting grazing and getting some rest,
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and then there's periods of time where they train hard
and then you've got to make sure you look after him.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
And because they're pretty powerful bodies and they do something
it's quite extreme.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
So it's really important that balancing act of preparation versus
playing and getting ready for the black Caps, and that's
what we're sort of going with Ben right now.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
How excited are you to see Kyle Jamison Beck and
perhaps also the development of Willow Rourke who had to
my mind and just an absolutely outstanding season.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Yeah, it would be awesome to get Kyle back in
that Test team if it was to happen, and great
to see him back on the field again. I think
it would be a real as well along with the
as well as the guys that are there now for
pretty formidable attack. You know, it was someone along the
lines with Rourke, Jamison, Henry.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Sears. You know there's some serious pace there and bounce.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
So you know, if that was, I'm sure Gary and
the selection team and would be pretty impressed to.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Have all those guys fitting available. But yeah, to see
Kyle back after a long road of recovery is just amazing.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
And yeah, Will Rourke, I came across him in an
under nineteen camp a few years ago. He was just
too old for the under nineteens, but Paul Wiseman and
the crew got him into sort of bowl and compare
and I was there and I looked at him and
I was actually umpiring in this practice game and I went, yeez,
who is this It's like And the first thing that
came to my mind is, my goodness, this guy if
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he goes, if you continue to do what he's doing
today and can do it, at the next level, the
next level again, he could be our next he could
be our version of Pat Cummings.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
And that's the first thing I straight.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Away I looked at him and this is Pat Cummins,
just always at you bounce.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
A pretty impressive young man. He's done so well. The
e really exciting future for him.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Jugo as he's known, the coach of the Firebirds, Jerry.
He got a pretty practical idea about where the game
is at. I like his analogy that his job is
there to prepare players for international cricket. He wants the trophies.
He says that, you know there are egos among the
coaching staff, but he's there to prepare international players. And
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you know that's where our development's got to come from,
doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Very experienced coach, been around a long time. Values the culture,
if you want, for want of a better word, how
the players get on together, how they're enjoying their game,
and they're important things. And I just thought the main
point he made Wads to me was he's identified as
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you and I have, is as most cricketers who are
interested in the game have, and you know this is
a time for development, doesn't it. It's a time where
the confluence of a couple of reasons.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
You've already mentioned one of them.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
That's the contract system in New Zealand, and it's the
players that hold all the power and that and they've
got the choice whether they want to opt out of
the shorter formats make a bit more cash for themselves.
And that's left holes holes in our particularly our white
ball team. And so that's why we're seeing these new names.
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I mean, and there are quite a lot of them,
aren't there. I mean, you could actually pick quite a
decent side from all the players.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
You've got Ferguson, Finnelle and Adam Miller and Tim Seifer,
they're the big bash, Caine Williams and Devon Conway. Lots
of openers there. You see Conway ciphered finn Allen. And
that's why we had didn't really have an opener in
this latest side, did we. We had to promote Ravendro
into there, even though he's battered there before for Wellington.
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And then you've got Ben Sears and Jamison a way
with injury. Then you've also got the players who went
to Pakistan, Blundle, Foxcroft, Josh Clarkson, he's one who hasn't
made it again is sod He was there and we're
young was there. So there's quite a lot of players
there that are unavailable for one reason and another. And
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the other reason, it seems to me, is that you know,
the succession plan for this particular these sides hasn't really
kind of existed. We've hung on to goodish players and
they've become good at certain times because they have been
held onto. So it's a fair enough kind of policy,
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but you do need to keep preparing for beneath them.
And I think that's maybe whether it's cash, having games
and all that sort of stuff. And I thought Jurgens
had made some decent points there that you know, he
highlights based bowler is knowing their own bodies and being
able to know what sort of length they can bowl
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and when they've had enough. And the other thing was
giving these players opportunities. We've actually discovering players that are
kind of are kind of showing they've got the ability,
haven't we wouldn't you say, I mean O'Rourke, especially in
the bowling departments O'Rourke, Henry Jamison, Sears, Smith Duffy that
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that to me okay, we've got a couple of batsmen,
the new batter bit Jamison and Smith. The rest don't.
But there's that's okay, and we've got pace, we've got
a bit of bounce, we've got some swing. I like
kind of like the look of that for the future.
Then you look at our spinners, Ajas Patel Santner has
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developed nicely in the in the recent past. You've got
Bracewolln Phillips coming on as well with the off spinners.
So our finger spinners are kind of there, and so
all that kind of as a as a body of players,
I think looks okay. It's the batting that is a
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bit more of a concern. I think I'm not too
sure of the answers to that. There were lots of
names that you and Durgo were talking about, but you know,
I haven't seen quite yet.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Enough of the batsmen coming through.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
No, And I guess that's a matter of opportunity. There's
this Guyrhyese Meru who's playing for Kenney, got a double
ton and they've got players. I mean, this was an
interview around a Wellington coach, but I think the same
issues apply to all the coaches. Up and down the
country in terms of finding places to put their quality players,
identifying the talent and giving them opportunities. And it seems
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with a development squad going around New Zealand moment playing games,
not playing long form games, which disappoints me to some extent.
But you know, there are opportunities for young players to
develop and that's the encouraging thing for New Zealand cricket,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Oh yeah, so we've got to We've got to commit
our money there. I think we do that, then I
think we'll find we've got better black Caps players. I
don't know whether you watched the game, Brian, the first
match between Sri Lanka and News. What a weird game.
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I mean, New Zealand were in a beautiful position to
lose twice, I mean five for sixty halfway through their innings,
all the top order gone and then they were rescued
by Mitchell Embracewell. Weren't they then one hundred and twenty
one for none Sri Lanka in the fourteenth they had
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ten wickets left to get fifty odd and what a heist.
Well done, Duffy, Well done, Duffy. I mean just exactly
at the end. Absolutely, he was a bit expensive at
the start, but he pulled it back certainly, and Henry
was solid and I thought well done for Duffy though
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with all those hours bowling before play and lunchtime and
end of the day's play. I've been watching him over
the Test series against England and he's pulled it, you know,
pulled it out.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
So that's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Stanton did okay also, you know, handling the questions as
a captain because they are under pressure, There's no doubt
about that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And the most encouraging thing about the last week or
so has been the fact that we've seen Kyle Jamison
back bowling at first class level, being services back on
the park playing as a batsman only in a practice
game for Wellington when I spoke to Shane Jurgensen and
these are the young men we want to look to
to hold New Zealand together over the next five to
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ten years. So encouraging and exciting stuff. Only this week
the White Fins held high hopes of winning the Rose
Bowl back from the Aussies, but a washout and two
emphatic defeats left them pondering how do we bridge the
Gulf between the ANZAC nations, here's been suet.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
There's a lot of positives to take out of it.
I think the way that Bella came in and showed
real good positive intern from the start. Obviously, Molly's you know,
the way that she bowled in that first game was excellent.
I thought the way that Maddie started today was great.
Susie batted well. It's just about being able to do
those things for a little bit longer. I think the
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takeaway is that in the T twenty and that shorter game,
out some really good plans and we're able to execute
those and it's spent out to do that for fifty overs.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You were able to bowl them out in game three,
but we're still lift chasing a mess of total.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Twice we've done that. I think we were the first
thing to bowl them out in T twenty for a while,
so you know, I think we took seventeen wickets across
the two games, So yes, that's a positive, but to
nearly get three hun both times is yeah, something that
we've got to work on to be able to just
defend a little bit better so that we're not asking
our batting team to chase three hundred against probably one
of the better attacks in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Wides boundaries, dropped chances contributed to the difference between sides
and also the experienced individuals in that Australian team.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
I think the difference in both games was one player,
you know, Southerly when I got one hundred. I think,
you know, Ash got a really good seventy today and
it's just that one big score that we probably missed
in both innings. So yeah, look, there were great signs.
I thought we were on track there. We left about
one forty in the last twenty, which is what you'd
expect to get in a T twenty game, but you
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just fell away towards the end.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Positive signs from Bella James on debut.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Yeah, just the intent that she showed to play those
little lap shots that she did against like I said,
some of the world's best is really impressive. So she's
not scared by the biggest scene and that's a real positive.
So yeah, I think, you know, she's going to be
really good for us going forward.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
What's the plan for your players now? Domestically?
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Firstly, for our White Ferns, it's important that they go
back and they be the best players in the comp
that's what we're going to ask them to do. You know,
might happen all the time, but that's that's what we
want them to achieve. And and like you said, there's
there's spots up for grabs still in the batting line up.
We want to we want to increase the depth there.
So you know, anyone in domestic cricket that can put
their hand up in this little phase is is probably
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going to get an opportunity in ODII cricket. And I
think that's a real positive. So you know, we're looking
for the depth in that batting line up in particular.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Ben Toya, of course he's the coach and he's been
re signed for another two years, has to be positive.
He did look at the positives, but I think he
understands there is a mess of golf that has to
be bridged some way. Durian and I think we always
knew that was going to be the case, didn't we.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I think everybody knows that they are slightly better side
than New Zealand. The thing is when you when you
lose matches, you tend to emphasize the good thing your
team had done, you know, So New Zealand talk about
have bended Molly Penfold's four wickets in the second game,
and Bella James getting a couple of twenties on deve
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Boo and Maddie Green getting a cuple of thirty not out,
you know, and you therefore you dig into the minuti
of games where really, for me, the big message was
they were both pretty one sided games, weren't they. And
you said that one of your questions, you said.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
What about all the catchers.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Our drop catchers anyway, they were pretty costly in the
forty three wides, they were quite costly and three runouts
and two of them involving Amelia Kerr, who's probably our
best all round the ground player.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
So you know, there are certain things.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
And our bowler is you know, always going at five
to six and over. So you know that may sound
a bit harsh and we like to be as positive
we can, but I mean, honestly, isn't a bad place
to start. It's like the New Zealand teams saying no,
we're a good catching team after the first Test, you know,
not that day you weren't. So you know, it's a
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good place to start as a point of improvement. And
then you begin the plans and establishing those and the
work you need to do. It's a large task to
generate more women players in New Zealand. Maybe I don't know,
maybe our World Cup win will be the spark to
generate a few of those. But you know, we we
(37:41):
need more depths below it, We need more games, We
need them to play.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
In different competitions if we can.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
So it's all money in the end, was for our
for our in it, so so it's a question of priorities,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
But but yeah, they were a long way, long way short.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, and they've got games coming up to qualify for
the next World Cup. So it would be interesting to
see what kind of development they go through. But I
guess they have to.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Is that against India, we don't.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Know, we don't know who they are because it'll be
a time of players teams that haven't qualified for the
Women's World Cup. Finally, I didn't realize that you were
such a big star on Facebook, did you.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Because I don't have it. I don't have Facebook.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
No, but you appeared or you were quoted or you
were mentioned.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It gets back to the sledging issue. I'll read you
the exchange. I'm dropping this on you right out of
the blue, Kevin and Patterson putting on the issue about Coley.
He says, this is Melbourne, this is the home of
the sledge. You don't survive playing in a suburban cricket
in Footscray, Collingwood, Richmond without bringing the sledge and now
(39:01):
the nudge. You've got to love Coley forgetting it and
embracing Ossie culture. And a reply from one of your
former teammates to Kevin Patterson say that wasn't sledging Melbourne
or anywhere else. The cleverest sledger I ever saw was
Jerry Coney, who was too clever for most. I didn't
(39:21):
know you were a sledger.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Just a quiet one.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Was just a few little gentle words, usually from from
in close, in close, on the off.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Side, Ah, what was your best?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
But well, I don't know whether they were.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
They're not really they're not like you so and so
or anything like that. It was more just suggestions, queries
doubting their ability.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
We liked the look of that. We like the look
of that, fellas Ef.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
You know what we were talking about last night, Evan Gray.
Remember the thing we said about this player, this player,
Shall we try that now?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Okay? And well you know, and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Really it was it was more suggestive than that sledging.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Playing with the mind, yeah, that one.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You were too clever for many of them, apparently, according
to your former teammate, for which I am going to
take issue, of course. But never mind. We will celebrate,
We will celebrate New Year. I'm sure you will celebrate it,
and we will be back in the new year with
on the front foot. Have a good break and enjoy
(40:36):
the celebrations of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Absolutely all my best to everyone who listens, and those
who don't, that's right, that's their problem, and I just
hope you have a good a good time with your
families and because that's what that's the time of the year, really,
isn't it. So so the best best wishes from us.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Indeed, Thanks Jerry Cares.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Cheers once.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
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