April 21, 2025 • 44 mins
In this edition of On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney were joined by Peter Holland as they investigate whether the Black Caps coaching system is fit for purpose.
They also discuss the valuable housing experience for New Zealand’s ‘A’ squad, and if Jimmy Anderson deserves a knighthood.
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Hello on the front put back, will you again? Cricket
season might have come to an end, but we don't
come to an end.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
What have we got for you this week?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Does the black Caps coaching framework need changing? Are there
too many back up coaches on tour?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Even?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Is it coach needed?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Is it more mentor or scratit distrole?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
The eighteen have.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The best offseason option for some time to prepare for
the future. Remember this recalled some outstanding batting from fifty
three years ago. England cricket gets another knighthood. Boy, they've
got a few. We've just got one and we celebrate
Joanna Child Why Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
She's a sixty four year.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Old who debuted for Portugal in the T twenty against Norway.
Becoming the second oldest player to do so. I hope
I'm able to play cricket when I turned sixty four.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Ye, well, she's youth, doesn't she.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I mean, we're going to give her a bit more time,
surely to get into a shop making.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How did she get on? They were playing.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Norway, weren't they I always follow those games.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yes, I missed it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Unfortunately it wasn't on the internet. She played three matches
in most this is my sort of form. She's scored
two runs in the first game, old four balls in
the second match, but didn't take a work at And
do you want to know something.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Else about a Peter hollidays with us again?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
This was her first recorded competitive appearance at the age
of sixty four, playing for Portugal.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Excellent. Did she break down in her over because she
only bowled?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I think the game might have been won by or having.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
She kept shortening a run up?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Well, I mean sixty four. I mean, that's that's quite
plucky from Joanna really, And as the saying goes, better
late than never.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Indeed, But I think though the sort of performances we
need to celebrate, because you know, I'm pushing sixty four
as as you two guys are and you know we
we're probably thinking about retirement rather than playing anymore.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
At this stage, I couldn't think of anything worse than
going on to a cricket field and embarrassing myself, probably
ripping a hamstring off the back of the leg or something,
and then.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Just walking out, just walking.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
United States States. That bus has left the station for
many of us.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, yes, and for the first time ever. That's the
most amazing part. You'd never played any computive frigate. Well,
I'm Joanna, we love your works.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
On that point, it got me to thinking, who are
some of those older, oldest debutantes? And I was reminded
from reading the Don Bradman Book for Boys or whatever
it was, of Bert Ironmonger, who debut at the age
of forty five years in nineteen twenty eight, went on
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to play thirteen tests. But he wasn't the oldest. There
was James Southerton forty nine years old in eighteen seventy six.
Even so there it just it just yeah, back in
the olden days they could.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Play a bit later, who who was our oldest? Most
Seeing you've gone into this in some depths, I.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Went down a rabbit hole, as they say, and it
was it.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Was a batman.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yes, it was a person called mcgurr who.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Was ah Herb Herb and who knows his middle name?
I'm the only one probably it's a musical. It's a
musical name.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Hm h M.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
McGirr played in the nineteen twenty seven Mozart Good guess
no Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn, Yeah, Herbert Mendelssohn. Gosh, you jump out
of your little crib, wouldn't you if you when you
heard that? Ridiculous?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes, but he was. He was a bowler.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I think his dad actually played for Wellington Wadds. You
better get that out. Yeah, he was an opening bowler.
I think in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He wasn't bad. Actually he played.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Against I think he played a couple of Tests in
the thirties, didn't he didn't he moose?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I think he got a fifty odd in that match.
And he was an opening bowler as well. And he
went in the twenty seven tour, which was Tom Lowery's team.
Our first side to go to England. Took the may
just to go on the boat, didn't it. They set
off from about March and arrived in sort of May.
At some stage they had to go across the states.
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They landed in San Francisco, had to go across the
states to New York and then catch a boat, the
SS Majestic it was called, and went to Southampton and
played I think.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They played I forget the name of the team wads.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You remember it was the first game they played at
Lord's and that was a kind of an educational tour.
How good are we? Can you teach us anything? And
they did extremely well. Some good players, you know, Cess
Daker got lots of runs. Stewie Dempster was in that team.
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Jack Mills, the opener, was in that side. Tom Lowry,
that big guy used to wear the hat and he
was a k Ken James was the keeper and Bill
Merritt was selected on that side the youngest player eighteen
years old, fooled everybody and got over one hundred wickets
on the tour. Fantastic stuff, really, once you get into
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those stories, they really are.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, And marriages lasted a lot longer in those days,
didn't they. I'm off for eight months on a cricket tour, Darling,
we'll leaven The more serious matters. I'm wanting to know
whether the black Caps coaching setup is suitable for purpose
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at the moment, or is the change that we talked
about last week and the possibility that Gary Stead might
move on to other jobs for New Zealand Cricket a
major way of changing things we reckon mosters Gary Stead?
Would he be the ideal man to take on this
high performance role that has been vacated by Brian Stronik
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and we look for other coaches to spread around the team.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Do we need two coaches?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Do we need a high performance role? Would be a
question I'd ask, But that's probably somewhat moot. I noticed
that Gary staid he's been a seven seven years. I
believe that's probably your end of view tenure. I think
it's white noise when you're talking. I think definitely time
to move on. I noticed that he's got a bit
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of an each way bet going by, suggesting that he
might like to hold keep the red ball cricket, probably
while he's trying to search out and see if we
can get a franchise, gig or something. But I'm of
the views that yes, we do need to change, not
because necessarily criticism of Stead but change is probably good now,
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fresh eyes probably very important. My thoughts would be that
it should be the od I fifty over and red
ball go to one coach and then a specialist twenty
twenty coach, because I think that vastly different games now,
And that would be my thoughts, because increasingly the twenty
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twenty is getting getting I'll probably play more of that
we play anything else, So that would be Those would
be my thoughts, and I would love it. I mean,
there are the standards out there of players like ron Key,
and I see Rob Walter is possibly going to be
available and so on. But I'd love to see if
Gillespie still around.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, well he turned down the option, you know, and
I might change his mind. Something counted against him because
he gave up the Pakistan job very early too, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
But it's a new era, Jerrea, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
We're starting to develop new players, and instead has had
a hand in that in terms of the development of players.
So what Moose says is probably a fair point.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, And I tend to agree with the lengths of time.
I think after seven years, you know, it's how do
you continue as a coach to grow and supply new
ideas and ways of doing things, and growing a player
and taking him to the next level and hearing things
that they haven't already heard. My gut tells me, if
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you haven't done that in seven years, the chances of
your doing it in the eighth and the ninth and
the tenth years are fairly slim. And so you know,
while you but you still hold a lot of intellectual
sort of knowledge and personal knowledge, which I think was
Bracewell's point. Wasn't it about trying to keep someone like
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you know, Gary Stead in the mix if you can,
and maybe look at it, maybe Brian Stronix, but I
don't know. I don't know his job description. But maybe
a director of cricket I don't But you know, there's
more time to oversee the development side perhaps and to keep.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
A hand, a steering hand on things that are happening.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I mean, he seems to me to be a good
worker and that might be something that certainly he could
provide for New Zealand cricket. As far as do we
need specialists, well, most sides seem to have got him
now wards, haven't they. There wouldn't be many sides without
a coach nowadays. I think Stead has kind of removed
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himself from the day to day This is what the
reverse sweepers fellas. You know, he's taking a much broader
scope about the you know, and you talked about a
strategist and I think that's much more his kind of
role nowadays. And so, you know, I think maybe it
would be nice if we could get another one whether
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whether you know, two coaches.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Some people don't like.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
That, and you'd certainly perhaps you know, you could lack
cohesion between the two, and therefore you and players are
hearing mixed messages. But you know, coaches have different priorities
and importance of attack. And another one says, no, let's
be more measured about the way we play. The communication
between the two, would you know, have to be important
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but not over consuming, if you know what I mean.
But we've used other ones rang and a Heirath. We've
used Ian Bell for batting, sir claim mushtag, haven't we?
And that's been very useful.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
How much coaching, though most is done during a season,
isn't that done at the build up to the season,
when you're getting your game ready for a season? I
know there's no build ups. Now they played twelve months
of the year. But how much coaching do you do
or you as a player domestic cricket, Jerry as an
international player, did you have somebody that you spoke to
when you're facing a problem? How do I sort this
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problem out? You know Martin Crowe had his schoolboy coach
and he was his name.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Harold Whitcombe.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's correct, yes, And how much coaching would you need
to do for Martin Crowe or Caine Williamson?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Now, well, I would have thought, I mean when we played.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Of course, we didn't have a coach until Glenn Turner
arrived in nineteen eighty five. Until then it was very
much up to ourselves as players and talking to other players,
some of them have pointed out had little mentors I
would have sought today if you wanted to not have
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those people there. Then the technology has enabled communication with
videos and just the way you guys are talking now,
you see, I mean, I'm sending out sort of signals
smoke signals to you guys from here. But but you know,
it's possible to be in touch, isn't it, even though
you're off site. I mean, you would miss things like
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you know, not getting the crowd and the heat and
the practice conditions, and the travel and the food and
the sleep and so on. You wouldn't know about that
so much. But as far as if you have your
person that you're talking to, it is possible to be
in touch.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Surely.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
I think by the time you get to international level,
do you need a coach? I don't think you do it,
because if you want, your ability will have got you
there and you will have been in still with it. Also,
from what I gather these days is that every young
kid now has a coach, private coaches. There's a preponderance
of them from all accounts, so they're getting lots of
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coaching from the young age upwards. The main thing I
believe around it is actually it's more what's going on
in your head, and that's where the coaching probably is required,
which is more the strategies or or giving people the
environment in order how to succeed, to to create team
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cultures and all those sorts of things. That's the fundamental piece,
not when not not not when you you know, de
picked about upright, and do you bring it down down correct?
So those I think those things, there's technical things are
less important, although they do crop up. And I remember
Ross Tyler, I think, was having difficulties at one point
and went to Martin Crow and fixed it up. But
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that's that's at the margin, I think. So the work
of a coach is sort of an interesting thing, and
having four or five of them on any any given
touring party just seems and they over here perhaps not
always necessary, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, they make the team photo.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You know, you've got to have an aerial shot to
get the full team photo these days, don't you, because
it's fifteen players but twenty two coaches or.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Advice, Well, you do need someone to put the cones
out and pick the balls up and the dog front. Yeah, yep,
correctly if you connect the dog for us. But I mean,
I'm making light of it, but in fact, hey, it's
wonderful if you've got all of that. I mean, some
of us when we were playing, our biggest problems were
just absence of ability and you can't change that, whereas
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these guys have got plenty of it.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
And the thing is, though, guys, haven't we reached a
sort of a stage that now the focus is on professionalism,
and not just in cricket but throughout all sports and
lots of other things. And so what happens is the
game is generally deconstructed and broken down into the different
skills that there are, and there are specialists that are
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hired to advise and assist players to improve in those areas.
I just feel that's quite a now, I mean, that
can be useful. You're right to ask the questions, I think,
because I think that's easy to accumulate more and more
and more and more around you, and the players then
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start to stop thinking about their games and they rely
on other people and slips of paper coming under the
door at night when you prepare for the next game.
And so that's a bit of a danger, it thinks
to I think.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
You picked on the use of some specialists at certain
points which were boarding from local territories, like was it
here from Sri Lanka? That has real merit because if
I'm a spinner bowling spin in New Zealand is quite
different thing from what it would be or or Sri Lanka.
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You know at what pace, what speed, what's my length?
All of those things become really important, and that's where
you get the benefit of that intellectual property, if you will,
from the local specialists I think that's really valuable. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, Well, it's something that we need to look at
and I'm sure over the next few weeks, even months,
when Gary Stead's job is completed, we will find that out.
There's not much for them to do at the moment
in terms of a New Zealand team because they're all
heading off to various contracts. What there is to do, though,
is a coach is needed for a New Zealand A side. Now,
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you wouldn't believe the fun I've had trying to find
out this New Zealand A side. New Zealand Cricket media
person told me yesterday that the team is being named
on the twenty eighth of April and they're leaving on
the first of May for Bangladesh, which makes it a
very tight schedule. Now, whether or not the team has
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been named, I don't know, but I've spoken to three
players who are already in it and it hasn't been
revealed publicly.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I can't work out the reason.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
If you've got a team going to the Bangladesh and
South Africa, why don't you just get it out there
and celebrate it and let these guys have their name
put it forward.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
But it's going to contain a crop of developing players.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Jerry.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've sent a list of names to There's some good
players in that list that have had good seasons of
first class cricket and it's great that they're getting this opportunity.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, I received the list was by Horseback and it's
an interesting group of players, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
My first thought when I saw.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
It was, of course that it was a developmental side,
not so much what I would call an a team.
There were no Henry Cooper's Tom Bruce he might be
overseas at the moment. There was no Jacob Dahee overseas,
No age As Patel that you know, Brett Randell, that
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side that beat Australia in two matches in Australia a
couple of years ago. They just Dean Foxcroft is not there.
Doug Bracewell is not there. So it is very much
a developmental side. And whether that's come from the Pakistan
the recent series and the performance that some of our
younger players had and the confidence therefore has grown in
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them to be, you know, selecting a side like this,
I don't know. I don't whether they're selecting a different
side to play South Africa. I don't know, as you say.
I looked on the New Zealand site it wasn't there,
which seems a bit weird. But yeah, look there are
a range of players there. I questioned a couple well.
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I questioned, why is a Shodhi there?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now? That's interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I don't know what the schedule is, whether he's he's
very much regard as a white ball player these days.
Addie Ashock, the other leg spinner, is also there. Do
we need two legs spinners? Those kinds of questions. Is
is Sody a development player? Is he there as a
semi coach? I don't know. You know, there are some
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left armors there, which is good to see Ben Lister
back in the team.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I think if Addie.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Ashock has his Sodi, why doesn't Why doesn't Jaden Lennox
have age as Patel there?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
You see?
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I think there are some there are some conundrums about
the side. But having said that, the names that we
would expect for youngsters and Rhys Murray, who's there?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Muhammad Abbas is there? Nick Kelly?
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Some of the guys it isn't aged dependent Nick Kelly's
thirty one, Joe Carter, the captain of the red ball side.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I see that is he's thirty two at that place
for Northern.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Districts, and you know there are some older players there,
Josh Clark's and we know is the name as well.
We probably I don't know Dale Phillips quite so well
or Christian Clark. I've looked them up to see where
they've come from and what their performances have been like,
but none of them have had the sort of the
games and the number of first class games. That's say,
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Google Line, who was in the A side had one
hundred and ten ages, battell as one hundred and ten
first class Henry Cooper opening bats and last time against
Australia sixty eight. These guys have got thirteen fourteen. You
know those kinds of numbers. Zach Folks eighteen, Jadan Lennox fourteen.
He's thirty. That's interesting, isn't It came to the game
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late perhaps so he's out the left arm orthodox So look,
it's an interesting side. Let's see how that's not going
to be easy in Bangladesh. I wouldn't have thought very
good for them to play spin bowling.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I like your point around it being in development, so
I rather than a son. I agree with you that
on that score, the sensus is it's an opportunity to
provide experience in other countries quite different from what a
lot of these players will have had, and that must
be invaluable for building a depth in the game in
New Zealand. Uh And, and I'm greatly encouraged by what
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what what I'm seeing in terms of the broader depth
across it. You know, watching a couple of first class
games recently in particularly, you know, watching Wellington beat up
on Cannery a beautiful thing. But this, you know, the
cricket was was was very good. And so if this
is the cream of the crop, there's also quite a
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quite a u a spread of really good talent all
through the game. And much much credit must be given
to to all the other coaches in the provinces because
you know, what you're seeing here is is building great
depth and balance for for for the game left arms
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in particular. I notes I'm really pleased about that bringing
in a new keeper like Curtis hefe as opposed to
from c D. Whereas the Dane Cleaver, who's been a
very unlucky chap I think not getting more cricket, because
fine cricketer, but maybe ages against him. But I'm thrilled
that in zed Ce are making way for these A
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tours because I think that coming off the back of
that one in Australia, that's been invaluable for us for
on earthing the people like the big quick from Canterbury
God yeah correct, I mean yeah, and some others. They're fantastic,
yes indeed.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And it's important that they have this offseason competition because
they don't get it. If you go away with the
New Zealand side, now you're right for the tests the
one day as the teath readies and that's it. There's
no warm up match that you can have a net
and then go out and play Sussex on a tour
of England or you know, a selection in India or
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South Africa or wherever you go. So it's great that
they've got that and we'll try and back down someone
involved with the team coaching.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I presume it'll be Bob Carter and Paul Wiseman. They're
the high performance coaches.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So we'll do some investigating and perhaps talk about it
next week.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
What that position is very important, isn't it that there's
the one thing that's missing for us.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
If there was a place for a coach.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Younger players going away to an unfamiliar country and unfamiliar
conditions could easily you could see need after a failure
or two to have someone around to put an arm
around the shoulder and sort of supply some confidence, talk
about how to play against these kind of players and
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these conditions. I would say that's more the place where
you'd need a coach rather than the black Caps.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Honey on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We're going back in time, remember this ninth of April
nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
No, how is I had the lake cut there down
little bit down the one the third man we'll go
before having it goes into the boundary now and that's
center double sent three.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And a double ten three.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
He's but at the morn he's got two.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
He's supporting.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
He's got three now three supporters coming onto the field
to count slate turn on his double tent three one
rather feels really coming on and not the fastest and
runners he's really digging. The longest is time to get
out to the middle.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
But he'll get there.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
That lay Turner on his double tent three.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
And at a cover by winnage the part of the
end Jarvin and I caught by winners that cover off
the boarding of over and this long and fine opening
monitor finally ended at three hundred and eighty seven Garding
though that cover a.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Bol turn Terry Jarvis.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That was a great partnership. Three hundred and eighty two
on the border ground.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Now you better there, yep, I faced you. There was
on the tennis courts, didn't I I couldn't get your way. Well,
you were going. You were going subterranean, boy, I tell you.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So many times.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, that's right, and.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Actually it was interesting to get Well. That was Tony
Cozy a young Tony Cozier doing the commentary.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I think words. Yeah, no longer with us.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
God rest is yeah, God rest and rest his soul. Look,
they were all draws, weren't they? In that there are
five test matches, all draws.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
The first two.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Turner got the first two hundred and the first match
in Jamaica. Congo got one hundred and sixty in the
second Test in Port of Spain. Then they played the
third Test in Barbados, the one that New Zealand really
could have won. They bowled Westerndies out for one hundred
and thirty tails seven for seventy four. Terrific bowler. He
was too, you know, at his peak. And then New
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Zealand got four hundred and twenty and they were going nicely,
had a few wickets and then there was a partnership
between Charlie Davis and Garfield Sobers. Sobers nicked one jar
for some reason inexplicably a good slipper dropped it went
on to get one hundred and forty two Sobers and
Charlie Davis got dropped by Turner, another good slipper five
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hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
And then Dowling left the side. He was the captain.
He went back with a back problem.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
And then they played this match that we were listening
to the Fourth Test at Border and Georgetown.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
They it was they in those days.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
They said, man it bouncers there, u bowler, bouncer there,
it'll bounce twice on the way to the keeper.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It was a dead dead.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
West and he's got three sixty odd and declared on
the third day why would.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You carry on?
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Just carry on the whole five days, you know, And
that's when Turner and Jarvis started before lunch on that
third day and they carried on.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
They had a riot. I know that Clive Lloyd, who
was the local man, was run out and.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
They then they bombed tails down on the boundary with bottles,
and so they all the New Zealanders came together. He
was a good man to bomb too. He was trying
to drink the sort of the little bits out of
the bottom of the bottles.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And they all met.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Together in the middle of the ground and then a
girl ran out to try and run it, Charlie Davis,
who had actually not run the single, and he was
run out as he turned around, had to go back
Clive Lloyd, and of course that's when then they when
everyone rioted, so the policeman on the horses were there.
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They had to clean up the offerings they put out
that morning with a shovel, and then the game resumed
and then Turner and Jarvis just carried on, just carried on,
and one hundred and sixty three for none at the
end of day three two forty six. At lunch on
day four, and that was when jav flice to drive.
(29:36):
We heard him caught by Greenwich there in the covers
for one hundred and eighty two. So New Zealand Day
four four hundred and ten for one, Turner two hundred
and ten and then and the Congo sixty one not
out Turner got out in the last day, Day five,
New Zealand five hundred and forty three for three declared
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that was the fourth draw and then the sixth the
last test they added on a day and that was
a drawer as well. New Zealand clung clung to plung
on in the end, so they said of Turner, actually
I found a little quote that he was the apostle
of masterly inactivity, which I kind.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Of like, Yeah, the the the the thing that I
remember as a as a as a young kid, because
I'm naturally quite a lot younger than both of you,
was actually the rather the rather lovely West Indian accent
of Tony Cozier coming through on a somewhat crackly wireless
(30:44):
very evocative times past and listening to Yeah the job
and Glenn Turner grinding out those runs and Bruce Taylor
getting those wickings and Barbados, great memories against a pretty
good West Indian team, all very good. Yeah, Garry Sobers
and geez, some good players on their Greenwich Wow good Good.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Was a good player too, and didn't quite get the recognition.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I suppose the thing I could never work out about
that tour was Taylor's got twenty seven wickets.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And four Test. Yes, did he play the first Test?
And I could never work out why.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But then when you look at the course, you probably
understand everybody was getting double centuries and you wouldn't want
to be bowling in those situations.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
He talked his way out of it once. But you're right, yeah, yeah,
I mean you look at Howarth Hendley.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Howarth bold the most overs nearly four hundred, Congdon Bowld
the next best, next number of overs two hundred and
so you can see with those two bowls what the
pictures were kind of like slow, low, horrible things. Cunis
bowl one hundred nay, Taylor only bowl one hundred and
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seventy odd overs got the most wickets. As you say,
Jack Alabaster was on that tour, only bowld fifty overs.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Morgan joined Murray.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Webb was on that tour because you know, Dale Hadley
it had been injured a bit, Motts and Da had
at that stage retired and the three we don't play
on Sundays. Murray, Yule and Pollard, we're not in that
team at all.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
So they had a few new guys. Jarv was one
of them.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Collins got injured on that tour and tragically lost a
daughter as well, so he went home as well.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Ross Morgan went to replace.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
As a replacement for those players, so they were down
at bowler a left arm bowler in Collins as well.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's interesting talking about pace bowlers. Of course you mentioned
Murray web.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I think he played in that first game because they
wanted someone to get to some pace and bounce on
Sabina Park. I remember a lovely story about Sabina Park.
A fellow who played in that Test match against New
Zealand Uton dow.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Ut.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, fast ball.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He was pretty sharp too, but he only ever played
four Test matches. But they played Australia his last Test
match on Sabina Park and Keith Stackpole just put him
all around the park. He kept bowling at Stackpole's hook
and Stackpole took him to lunch basically, and after lunch
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they were walking around the ground. You know what they
were like in the West and they always very smart
with their quick comments and people would yell out and
the sun bloke had a sign that was painted up.
It said eleventh commandment, dow shalt not bowl and that
was typical of the humor of the people of the
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Caribbean and it was the end of Dow as a
pace bowler. The other interesting story of the week was
news that came out that Jimmy and is set to
receive a knighthood. Now it was awarded to him by
Rishie Sneak, and he hasn't been the Prime Minister of
the UK for quite some time. There were some hold
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up as to why he hadn't got his knighthood.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But he's going to.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Become the fifteenth English player cricketer to get a knighthood.
Deserving of a knighthood, you.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Think I'm saying, I believe so. I mean, his record
stands for itself, doesn't it. Frankly, longevity on all conditions,
whether it be in India or whether it be in England.
There was outstanding player, yeah, phenomenal player. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
There are some people who would say sportsman knighthood, you know,
that sort of thing. It's not appropriate. But if you
are going to and they have clearly in the past.
I think there's no doubt Jimmy Anderson needs to join
that revered list of players. An absolute artist.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I would have saw.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Over seven hundred Test wickets, one hundred and eighty eight Tests.
I mean that's extraordinary. You know that must be the
most for an opening bowler in the Tests. Surely, so
accurate and so precise swing what I call interrogating last
(35:34):
second betting, because you know you've got to keep adjusting
to the swing.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Are you going to play it or not? And so on.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
He's had different versions, like every player who plays that
length of time. He started off and here he had
good pace, and they tried to change his action. I
remember at the basin wads they at lunch time, he
wasn't playing, and they used to pull out all the
road cones. You'd be pleased with that, And they actually
went onto the base and reserved to try and change
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the line of his run up. And then so he
returned to his original one and his natural way of bowling. Originally,
he did blow a bit hot and cold early on.
I mean went on he was just you know, irresistible
and went off. He was a bit over the place.
But then that poned and he added reverse swing. When
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he went to Asia, so when the ball wouldn't swing conventionally,
so he had another skill there to use. And then
instead of having to wait for the ball to deteriorate
to get reverse swing, he learned about the wobble ball
that oscillates a little bit as it goes down the pitch,
which a lot of bowlers use nowadays. And so they
(36:49):
seem the ball seems and they don't know which way
and orders the bowler orders the batsman.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
But the key to it all is the same as Richard,
same as Richard.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Hadley, where the ball pitchers, Sir Richard, where it comes
from the consistency of where the ball is pitching. It's
all down to not all down to movement. It's where
the movement comes from. And very it's interesting too. He's
a bit of a contradiction really off the field, quite
(37:21):
a shy I know, I know Jimmy quite well and
have done little things with him, and he's a man
of few words, but on the field very verbally aggressive
and the hence you get that response from you know
in Australia where they said they were going to break
(37:41):
his arm, you remember that, and they told him straight
to his face while he was batting.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, so yeah, I remember, but certainly deserving.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah, I remember working with him in the last World Cup.
You were there too, Jerry.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, he was wonderful in the in the country box,
you know, being able to spend some time with him.
You talk about that trip to New Zealand. They weren't
going to play him in that series where he went
to play for Auckland. Didn't he to try and try cricket,
and you know everybody was sort of saying, well, you know,
Jimmy Anderson, you know he's not worth his place.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, different story now.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Yeah, Well that's when he came back. He came back
at the base and wads with my broad and that's
when that partnership began, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yep? One New Zealander and one Australian, Sir Generald Bradman
and Sir Richard Hadley. Are there any other New Zealanders
that deserve knighthoods in New Zealand? I don't know about Australia.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I really haven't looked at that, but could any New
Zealander that there have been quite a few who are
probably deserving.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It's an interesting question because if you look at Jimmy Anderson.
Where does one draw the line because he's opening bowler
partner Broad was pretty useful too, with an outstanding record.
It's I know it's arbitrary, but in terms of New
Zealand that becomes really hard. Yeah. I mean Richard Hadley
(39:05):
just just as the standout, just just be the other
great standout apart from you, Jerry, of course, was Martin
Crowe you know to me? To me, yes, a phenomenal player. Absolutely,
and then scroll forward going backwards, No, I don't think so,
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would you say Bert? Yeah? Possibly read Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
That's the other name that came to me. Those two
names from about the fifth well, the forties through to the.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Sixties held New Zealand together. Yeah. Goshtare a lot from
the West Indies though, aren't they guys?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know if you go are there? Gosh, you know
them all?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
What do you I mean?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But yeah, yeah, well that's right. Have you did you
meet Clyde Walcott?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Did you meet Frank Warrel?
Speaker 4 (40:05):
No, I missed him, he was unavailable.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
But I mean Larry Constantine.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I missed him too.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I wasn't born then, but I mean in recent times
they've gone through viv richards Richie Richardson to Kurtley Ambrose,
et cetera, et cetera. Courtney Walsh didn't get one to do,
which was interesting. But they've they've gone around the islands
and I see, you know, I mean that's a recognition,
I suppose of their contribution to Caribbean cricket. But yeah,
(40:37):
it's it's just interesting. I mean the point you made,
you know that between sport and you know, knighthoods and
those sorts of things that particularly in a team game
where a lot of individuals have been helped by you know,
good second slippers. I mean, how many catchers were taken
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off Richard Hadley's bonding Ian Smith? Would he have taken
a few?
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Would he be worth and he certainly would, He certainly would.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
Yeah, I know it, But I mean that's ah, look,
it's okay, It's okay. I don't I don't think it's
is it overly important? I suppose it's really it's it's
it's recognition, isn't it recognition of the length of time
and the and the skill that they used while they
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were there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yep, contribution to the game was significant and they were
acknowledged for it. Coming to an end of another edition
on the front foot. I just wonder, guys, have I
missed something a news release from the ICC, perhaps, But
I was watching and it's great to be able to
watch county cricket in the middle of the night when
you can't sleep. I draw the line at the fact
(41:51):
that I watched for three hours the other night. I
don't know why I couldn't get back to sleep, but
I was watching Worcestershire play Essex because I was interested
to see Jacob Duffy, who'd been padded all around the
park in the first game and he seemed to find
the rhythm in the second game. But there were a
couple of guys batting, a fellow by the name of Pepper.
He might have been looking for salt, but he was
(42:13):
out in the I p l and Harmer were batting
for Essex, and a fellow in pads were standing at
the non strikers in a runner. Have you seen a
change again to the rules that allows for runners?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Or is it peculiarly? Peculiarly England most do you know?
Speaker 5 (42:37):
You've got me start?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
I don't think there's been changes to the international game.
I haven't seen anything from the ICC to say this
is what we're doing, usually suggested by that sort of committee.
But whether it is in the in the first class game,
the county level, which you're describing about over and over
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in England, England. Yes, I think I said to you
before they would be leave of course that they're the
only ones who tell the truth, so that the Batsman
would say, no, I definitely can't run. I definitely can't run.
That's really bad, and so I'll need a runner. Thank
you very much, mister, mister Pepper. We'll give you a runner.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
That's okay. I don't know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, I
don't know about that.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
Words.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
We'll be able to talk cricket because there's plenty of
it coming up, and hopefully we'll be able to watch
some of it from the other side of the world.
I think England are due to plays in Barbwe who
are currently playing in a Test match series against Bangladesh.
Against Bangladesh, Yeah, Bangladesh, that's the one, and New Zealand
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will be sending an eighteam over to Bangladesh to pick
up the slack from that. Otherwise, see you guys, I'm
sure can spend most of your time either watching county
cricket in England or the IPL, which I'm sure both
of you do.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Avidly, no, not no have It wouldn't be the word
I'd use, but I don't watch it at all, not
at all.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Good good. That makes three of us. We'll have to
watch the county game. Thanks goodbuyes talk it.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
To me boys, oh hey, take it all the forties
of summer.
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
What have we got for you this week?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Does the black Caps coaching framework need changing? Are there
too many back up coaches on tour?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Even?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Is it coach needed?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Is it more mentor or scratit distrole?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
The eighteen have.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The best offseason option for some time to prepare for
the future. Remember this recalled some outstanding batting from fifty
three years ago. England cricket gets another knighthood. Boy, they've
got a few. We've just got one and we celebrate
Joanna Child Why Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
She's a sixty four year.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Old who debuted for Portugal in the T twenty against Norway.
Becoming the second oldest player to do so. I hope
I'm able to play cricket when I turned sixty four.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Ye, well, she's youth, doesn't she.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I mean, we're going to give her a bit more time,
surely to get into a shop making.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How did she get on? They were playing.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Norway, weren't they I always follow those games.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yes, I missed it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Unfortunately it wasn't on the internet. She played three matches
in most this is my sort of form. She's scored
two runs in the first game, old four balls in
the second match, but didn't take a work at And
do you want to know something.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Else about a Peter hollidays with us again?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
This was her first recorded competitive appearance at the age
of sixty four, playing for Portugal.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Excellent. Did she break down in her over because she
only bowled?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I think the game might have been won by or having.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
She kept shortening a run up?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Well, I mean sixty four. I mean, that's that's quite
plucky from Joanna really, And as the saying goes, better
late than never.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Indeed, But I think though the sort of performances we
need to celebrate, because you know, I'm pushing sixty four
as as you two guys are and you know we
we're probably thinking about retirement rather than playing anymore.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
At this stage, I couldn't think of anything worse than
going on to a cricket field and embarrassing myself, probably
ripping a hamstring off the back of the leg or something,
and then.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Just walking out, just walking.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
United States States. That bus has left the station for
many of us.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, yes, and for the first time ever. That's the
most amazing part. You'd never played any computive frigate. Well,
I'm Joanna, we love your works.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
On that point, it got me to thinking, who are
some of those older, oldest debutantes? And I was reminded
from reading the Don Bradman Book for Boys or whatever
it was, of Bert Ironmonger, who debut at the age
of forty five years in nineteen twenty eight, went on
(04:00):
to play thirteen tests. But he wasn't the oldest. There
was James Southerton forty nine years old in eighteen seventy six.
Even so there it just it just yeah, back in
the olden days they could.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Play a bit later, who who was our oldest? Most
Seeing you've gone into this in some depths, I.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Went down a rabbit hole, as they say, and it
was it.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Was a batman.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yes, it was a person called mcgurr who.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Was ah Herb Herb and who knows his middle name?
I'm the only one probably it's a musical. It's a
musical name.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Hm h M.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
McGirr played in the nineteen twenty seven Mozart Good guess
no Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn, Yeah, Herbert Mendelssohn. Gosh, you jump out
of your little crib, wouldn't you if you when you
heard that? Ridiculous?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes, but he was. He was a bowler.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I think his dad actually played for Wellington Wadds. You
better get that out. Yeah, he was an opening bowler.
I think in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He wasn't bad. Actually he played.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Against I think he played a couple of Tests in
the thirties, didn't he didn't he moose?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I think he got a fifty odd in that match.
And he was an opening bowler as well. And he
went in the twenty seven tour, which was Tom Lowery's team.
Our first side to go to England. Took the may
just to go on the boat, didn't it. They set
off from about March and arrived in sort of May.
At some stage they had to go across the states.
(05:48):
They landed in San Francisco, had to go across the
states to New York and then catch a boat, the
SS Majestic it was called, and went to Southampton and
played I think.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They played I forget the name of the team wads.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You remember it was the first game they played at
Lord's and that was a kind of an educational tour.
How good are we? Can you teach us anything? And
they did extremely well. Some good players, you know, Cess
Daker got lots of runs. Stewie Dempster was in that team.
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Jack Mills, the opener, was in that side. Tom Lowry,
that big guy used to wear the hat and he
was a k Ken James was the keeper and Bill
Merritt was selected on that side the youngest player eighteen
years old, fooled everybody and got over one hundred wickets
on the tour. Fantastic stuff, really, once you get into
(06:46):
those stories, they really are.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, And marriages lasted a lot longer in those days,
didn't they. I'm off for eight months on a cricket tour, Darling,
we'll leaven The more serious matters. I'm wanting to know
whether the black Caps coaching setup is suitable for purpose
(07:10):
at the moment, or is the change that we talked
about last week and the possibility that Gary Stead might
move on to other jobs for New Zealand Cricket a
major way of changing things we reckon mosters Gary Stead?
Would he be the ideal man to take on this
high performance role that has been vacated by Brian Stronik
(07:35):
and we look for other coaches to spread around the team.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Do we need two coaches?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Do we need a high performance role? Would be a
question I'd ask, But that's probably somewhat moot. I noticed
that Gary staid he's been a seven seven years. I
believe that's probably your end of view tenure. I think
it's white noise when you're talking. I think definitely time
to move on. I noticed that he's got a bit
(08:01):
of an each way bet going by, suggesting that he
might like to hold keep the red ball cricket, probably
while he's trying to search out and see if we
can get a franchise, gig or something. But I'm of
the views that yes, we do need to change, not
because necessarily criticism of Stead but change is probably good now,
(08:22):
fresh eyes probably very important. My thoughts would be that
it should be the od I fifty over and red
ball go to one coach and then a specialist twenty
twenty coach, because I think that vastly different games now,
And that would be my thoughts, because increasingly the twenty
(08:42):
twenty is getting getting I'll probably play more of that
we play anything else, So that would be Those would
be my thoughts, and I would love it. I mean,
there are the standards out there of players like ron Key,
and I see Rob Walter is possibly going to be
available and so on. But I'd love to see if
Gillespie still around.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, well he turned down the option, you know, and
I might change his mind. Something counted against him because
he gave up the Pakistan job very early too, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
But it's a new era, Jerrea, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
We're starting to develop new players, and instead has had
a hand in that in terms of the development of players.
So what Moose says is probably a fair point.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, And I tend to agree with the lengths of time.
I think after seven years, you know, it's how do
you continue as a coach to grow and supply new
ideas and ways of doing things, and growing a player
and taking him to the next level and hearing things
that they haven't already heard. My gut tells me, if
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you haven't done that in seven years, the chances of
your doing it in the eighth and the ninth and
the tenth years are fairly slim. And so you know,
while you but you still hold a lot of intellectual
sort of knowledge and personal knowledge, which I think was
Bracewell's point. Wasn't it about trying to keep someone like
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you know, Gary Stead in the mix if you can,
and maybe look at it, maybe Brian Stronix, but I
don't know. I don't know his job description. But maybe
a director of cricket I don't But you know, there's
more time to oversee the development side perhaps and to keep.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
A hand, a steering hand on things that are happening.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I mean, he seems to me to be a good
worker and that might be something that certainly he could
provide for New Zealand cricket. As far as do we
need specialists, well, most sides seem to have got him
now wards, haven't they. There wouldn't be many sides without
a coach nowadays. I think Stead has kind of removed
(10:51):
himself from the day to day This is what the
reverse sweepers fellas. You know, he's taking a much broader
scope about the you know, and you talked about a
strategist and I think that's much more his kind of
role nowadays. And so, you know, I think maybe it
would be nice if we could get another one whether
(11:14):
whether you know, two coaches.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Some people don't like.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
That, and you'd certainly perhaps you know, you could lack
cohesion between the two, and therefore you and players are
hearing mixed messages. But you know, coaches have different priorities
and importance of attack. And another one says, no, let's
be more measured about the way we play. The communication
between the two, would you know, have to be important
(11:40):
but not over consuming, if you know what I mean.
But we've used other ones rang and a Heirath. We've
used Ian Bell for batting, sir claim mushtag, haven't we?
And that's been very useful.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
How much coaching, though most is done during a season,
isn't that done at the build up to the season,
when you're getting your game ready for a season? I
know there's no build ups. Now they played twelve months
of the year. But how much coaching do you do
or you as a player domestic cricket, Jerry as an
international player, did you have somebody that you spoke to
when you're facing a problem? How do I sort this
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problem out? You know Martin Crowe had his schoolboy coach
and he was his name.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Harold Whitcombe.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's correct, yes, And how much coaching would you need
to do for Martin Crowe or Caine Williamson?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Now, well, I would have thought, I mean when we played.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Of course, we didn't have a coach until Glenn Turner
arrived in nineteen eighty five. Until then it was very
much up to ourselves as players and talking to other players,
some of them have pointed out had little mentors I
would have sought today if you wanted to not have
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those people there. Then the technology has enabled communication with
videos and just the way you guys are talking now,
you see, I mean, I'm sending out sort of signals
smoke signals to you guys from here. But but you know,
it's possible to be in touch, isn't it, even though
you're off site. I mean, you would miss things like
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you know, not getting the crowd and the heat and
the practice conditions, and the travel and the food and
the sleep and so on. You wouldn't know about that
so much. But as far as if you have your
person that you're talking to, it is possible to be
in touch.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Surely.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
I think by the time you get to international level,
do you need a coach? I don't think you do it,
because if you want, your ability will have got you
there and you will have been in still with it. Also,
from what I gather these days is that every young
kid now has a coach, private coaches. There's a preponderance
of them from all accounts, so they're getting lots of
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coaching from the young age upwards. The main thing I
believe around it is actually it's more what's going on
in your head, and that's where the coaching probably is required,
which is more the strategies or or giving people the
environment in order how to succeed, to to create team
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cultures and all those sorts of things. That's the fundamental piece,
not when not not not when you you know, de
picked about upright, and do you bring it down down correct?
So those I think those things, there's technical things are
less important, although they do crop up. And I remember
Ross Tyler, I think, was having difficulties at one point
and went to Martin Crow and fixed it up. But
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that's that's at the margin, I think. So the work
of a coach is sort of an interesting thing, and
having four or five of them on any any given
touring party just seems and they over here perhaps not
always necessary, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, they make the team photo.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You know, you've got to have an aerial shot to
get the full team photo these days, don't you, because
it's fifteen players but twenty two coaches or.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Advice, Well, you do need someone to put the cones
out and pick the balls up and the dog front. Yeah, yep,
correctly if you connect the dog for us. But I mean,
I'm making light of it, but in fact, hey, it's
wonderful if you've got all of that. I mean, some
of us when we were playing, our biggest problems were
just absence of ability and you can't change that, whereas
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these guys have got plenty of it.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
And the thing is, though, guys, haven't we reached a
sort of a stage that now the focus is on professionalism,
and not just in cricket but throughout all sports and
lots of other things. And so what happens is the
game is generally deconstructed and broken down into the different
skills that there are, and there are specialists that are
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hired to advise and assist players to improve in those areas.
I just feel that's quite a now, I mean, that
can be useful. You're right to ask the questions, I think,
because I think that's easy to accumulate more and more
and more and more around you, and the players then
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start to stop thinking about their games and they rely
on other people and slips of paper coming under the
door at night when you prepare for the next game.
And so that's a bit of a danger, it thinks
to I think.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
You picked on the use of some specialists at certain
points which were boarding from local territories, like was it
here from Sri Lanka? That has real merit because if
I'm a spinner bowling spin in New Zealand is quite
different thing from what it would be or or Sri Lanka.
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You know at what pace, what speed, what's my length?
All of those things become really important, and that's where
you get the benefit of that intellectual property, if you will,
from the local specialists I think that's really valuable. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, Well, it's something that we need to look at
and I'm sure over the next few weeks, even months,
when Gary Stead's job is completed, we will find that out.
There's not much for them to do at the moment
in terms of a New Zealand team because they're all
heading off to various contracts. What there is to do, though,
is a coach is needed for a New Zealand A side. Now,
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you wouldn't believe the fun I've had trying to find
out this New Zealand A side. New Zealand Cricket media
person told me yesterday that the team is being named
on the twenty eighth of April and they're leaving on
the first of May for Bangladesh, which makes it a
very tight schedule. Now, whether or not the team has
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been named, I don't know, but I've spoken to three
players who are already in it and it hasn't been
revealed publicly.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I can't work out the reason.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
If you've got a team going to the Bangladesh and
South Africa, why don't you just get it out there
and celebrate it and let these guys have their name
put it forward.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
But it's going to contain a crop of developing players.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Jerry.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've sent a list of names to There's some good
players in that list that have had good seasons of
first class cricket and it's great that they're getting this opportunity.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, I received the list was by Horseback and it's
an interesting group of players, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
My first thought when I saw.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
It was, of course that it was a developmental side,
not so much what I would call an a team.
There were no Henry Cooper's Tom Bruce he might be
overseas at the moment. There was no Jacob Dahee overseas,
No age As Patel that you know, Brett Randell, that
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side that beat Australia in two matches in Australia a
couple of years ago. They just Dean Foxcroft is not there.
Doug Bracewell is not there. So it is very much
a developmental side. And whether that's come from the Pakistan
the recent series and the performance that some of our
younger players had and the confidence therefore has grown in
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them to be, you know, selecting a side like this,
I don't know. I don't whether they're selecting a different
side to play South Africa. I don't know, as you say.
I looked on the New Zealand site it wasn't there,
which seems a bit weird. But yeah, look there are
a range of players there. I questioned a couple well.
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I questioned, why is a Shodhi there?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now? That's interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I don't know what the schedule is, whether he's he's
very much regard as a white ball player these days.
Addie Ashock, the other leg spinner, is also there. Do
we need two legs spinners? Those kinds of questions. Is
is Sody a development player? Is he there as a
semi coach? I don't know. You know, there are some
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left armors there, which is good to see Ben Lister
back in the team.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I think if Addie.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Ashock has his Sodi, why doesn't Why doesn't Jaden Lennox
have age as Patel there?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
You see?
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I think there are some there are some conundrums about
the side. But having said that, the names that we
would expect for youngsters and Rhys Murray, who's there?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Muhammad Abbas is there? Nick Kelly?
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Some of the guys it isn't aged dependent Nick Kelly's
thirty one, Joe Carter, the captain of the red ball side.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I see that is he's thirty two at that place
for Northern.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Districts, and you know there are some older players there,
Josh Clark's and we know is the name as well.
We probably I don't know Dale Phillips quite so well
or Christian Clark. I've looked them up to see where
they've come from and what their performances have been like,
but none of them have had the sort of the
games and the number of first class games. That's say,
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Google Line, who was in the A side had one
hundred and ten ages, battell as one hundred and ten
first class Henry Cooper opening bats and last time against
Australia sixty eight. These guys have got thirteen fourteen. You
know those kinds of numbers. Zach Folks eighteen, Jadan Lennox fourteen.
He's thirty. That's interesting, isn't It came to the game
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late perhaps so he's out the left arm orthodox So look,
it's an interesting side. Let's see how that's not going
to be easy in Bangladesh. I wouldn't have thought very
good for them to play spin bowling.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I like your point around it being in development, so
I rather than a son. I agree with you that
on that score, the sensus is it's an opportunity to
provide experience in other countries quite different from what a
lot of these players will have had, and that must
be invaluable for building a depth in the game in
New Zealand. Uh And, and I'm greatly encouraged by what
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what what I'm seeing in terms of the broader depth
across it. You know, watching a couple of first class
games recently in particularly, you know, watching Wellington beat up
on Cannery a beautiful thing. But this, you know, the
cricket was was was very good. And so if this
is the cream of the crop, there's also quite a
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quite a u a spread of really good talent all
through the game. And much much credit must be given
to to all the other coaches in the provinces because
you know, what you're seeing here is is building great
depth and balance for for for the game left arms
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in particular. I notes I'm really pleased about that bringing
in a new keeper like Curtis hefe as opposed to
from c D. Whereas the Dane Cleaver, who's been a
very unlucky chap I think not getting more cricket, because
fine cricketer, but maybe ages against him. But I'm thrilled
that in zed Ce are making way for these A
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tours because I think that coming off the back of
that one in Australia, that's been invaluable for us for
on earthing the people like the big quick from Canterbury
God yeah correct, I mean yeah, and some others. They're fantastic,
yes indeed.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And it's important that they have this offseason competition because
they don't get it. If you go away with the
New Zealand side, now you're right for the tests the
one day as the teath readies and that's it. There's
no warm up match that you can have a net
and then go out and play Sussex on a tour
of England or you know, a selection in India or
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South Africa or wherever you go. So it's great that
they've got that and we'll try and back down someone
involved with the team coaching.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I presume it'll be Bob Carter and Paul Wiseman. They're
the high performance coaches.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So we'll do some investigating and perhaps talk about it
next week.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
What that position is very important, isn't it that there's
the one thing that's missing for us.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
If there was a place for a coach.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Younger players going away to an unfamiliar country and unfamiliar
conditions could easily you could see need after a failure
or two to have someone around to put an arm
around the shoulder and sort of supply some confidence, talk
about how to play against these kind of players and
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these conditions. I would say that's more the place where
you'd need a coach rather than the black Caps.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Honey on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We're going back in time, remember this ninth of April
nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
No, how is I had the lake cut there down
little bit down the one the third man we'll go
before having it goes into the boundary now and that's
center double sent three.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And a double ten three.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
He's but at the morn he's got two.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
He's supporting.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
He's got three now three supporters coming onto the field
to count slate turn on his double tent three one
rather feels really coming on and not the fastest and
runners he's really digging. The longest is time to get
out to the middle.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
But he'll get there.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
That lay Turner on his double tent three.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
And at a cover by winnage the part of the
end Jarvin and I caught by winners that cover off
the boarding of over and this long and fine opening
monitor finally ended at three hundred and eighty seven Garding
though that cover a.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Bol turn Terry Jarvis.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That was a great partnership. Three hundred and eighty two
on the border ground.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Now you better there, yep, I faced you. There was
on the tennis courts, didn't I I couldn't get your way. Well,
you were going. You were going subterranean, boy, I tell you.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So many times.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, that's right, and.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Actually it was interesting to get Well. That was Tony
Cozy a young Tony Cozier doing the commentary.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I think words. Yeah, no longer with us.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
God rest is yeah, God rest and rest his soul. Look,
they were all draws, weren't they? In that there are
five test matches, all draws.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
The first two.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Turner got the first two hundred and the first match
in Jamaica. Congo got one hundred and sixty in the
second Test in Port of Spain. Then they played the
third Test in Barbados, the one that New Zealand really
could have won. They bowled Westerndies out for one hundred
and thirty tails seven for seventy four. Terrific bowler. He
was too, you know, at his peak. And then New
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Zealand got four hundred and twenty and they were going nicely,
had a few wickets and then there was a partnership
between Charlie Davis and Garfield Sobers. Sobers nicked one jar
for some reason inexplicably a good slipper dropped it went
on to get one hundred and forty two Sobers and
Charlie Davis got dropped by Turner, another good slipper five
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hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
And then Dowling left the side. He was the captain.
He went back with a back problem.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
And then they played this match that we were listening
to the Fourth Test at Border and Georgetown.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
They it was they in those days.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
They said, man it bouncers there, u bowler, bouncer there,
it'll bounce twice on the way to the keeper.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It was a dead dead.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
West and he's got three sixty odd and declared on
the third day why would.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You carry on?
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Just carry on the whole five days, you know, And
that's when Turner and Jarvis started before lunch on that
third day and they carried on.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
They had a riot. I know that Clive Lloyd, who
was the local man, was run out and.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
They then they bombed tails down on the boundary with bottles,
and so they all the New Zealanders came together. He
was a good man to bomb too. He was trying
to drink the sort of the little bits out of
the bottom of the bottles.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And they all met.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Together in the middle of the ground and then a
girl ran out to try and run it, Charlie Davis,
who had actually not run the single, and he was
run out as he turned around, had to go back
Clive Lloyd, and of course that's when then they when
everyone rioted, so the policeman on the horses were there.
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They had to clean up the offerings they put out
that morning with a shovel, and then the game resumed
and then Turner and Jarvis just carried on, just carried on,
and one hundred and sixty three for none at the
end of day three two forty six. At lunch on
day four, and that was when jav flice to drive.
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We heard him caught by Greenwich there in the covers
for one hundred and eighty two. So New Zealand Day
four four hundred and ten for one, Turner two hundred
and ten and then and the Congo sixty one not
out Turner got out in the last day, Day five,
New Zealand five hundred and forty three for three declared
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that was the fourth draw and then the sixth the
last test they added on a day and that was
a drawer as well. New Zealand clung clung to plung
on in the end, so they said of Turner, actually
I found a little quote that he was the apostle
of masterly inactivity, which I kind.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Of like, Yeah, the the the the thing that I
remember as a as a as a young kid, because
I'm naturally quite a lot younger than both of you,
was actually the rather the rather lovely West Indian accent
of Tony Cozier coming through on a somewhat crackly wireless
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very evocative times past and listening to Yeah the job
and Glenn Turner grinding out those runs and Bruce Taylor
getting those wickings and Barbados, great memories against a pretty
good West Indian team, all very good. Yeah, Garry Sobers
and geez, some good players on their Greenwich Wow good Good.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Was a good player too, and didn't quite get the recognition.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I suppose the thing I could never work out about
that tour was Taylor's got twenty seven wickets.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And four Test. Yes, did he play the first Test?
And I could never work out why.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But then when you look at the course, you probably
understand everybody was getting double centuries and you wouldn't want
to be bowling in those situations.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
He talked his way out of it once. But you're right, yeah, yeah,
I mean you look at Howarth Hendley.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Howarth bold the most overs nearly four hundred, Congdon Bowld
the next best, next number of overs two hundred and
so you can see with those two bowls what the
pictures were kind of like slow, low, horrible things. Cunis
bowl one hundred nay, Taylor only bowl one hundred and
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seventy odd overs got the most wickets. As you say,
Jack Alabaster was on that tour, only bowld fifty overs.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Morgan joined Murray.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Webb was on that tour because you know, Dale Hadley
it had been injured a bit, Motts and Da had
at that stage retired and the three we don't play
on Sundays. Murray, Yule and Pollard, we're not in that
team at all.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
So they had a few new guys. Jarv was one
of them.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Collins got injured on that tour and tragically lost a
daughter as well, so he went home as well.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Ross Morgan went to replace.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
As a replacement for those players, so they were down
at bowler a left arm bowler in Collins as well.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
It's interesting talking about pace bowlers. Of course you mentioned
Murray web.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I think he played in that first game because they
wanted someone to get to some pace and bounce on
Sabina Park. I remember a lovely story about Sabina Park.
A fellow who played in that Test match against New
Zealand Uton dow.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Ut.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, fast ball.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He was pretty sharp too, but he only ever played
four Test matches. But they played Australia his last Test
match on Sabina Park and Keith Stackpole just put him
all around the park. He kept bowling at Stackpole's hook
and Stackpole took him to lunch basically, and after lunch
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they were walking around the ground. You know what they
were like in the West and they always very smart
with their quick comments and people would yell out and
the sun bloke had a sign that was painted up.
It said eleventh commandment, dow shalt not bowl and that
was typical of the humor of the people of the
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Caribbean and it was the end of Dow as a
pace bowler. The other interesting story of the week was
news that came out that Jimmy and is set to
receive a knighthood. Now it was awarded to him by
Rishie Sneak, and he hasn't been the Prime Minister of
the UK for quite some time. There were some hold
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up as to why he hadn't got his knighthood.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But he's going to.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Become the fifteenth English player cricketer to get a knighthood.
Deserving of a knighthood, you.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Think I'm saying, I believe so. I mean, his record
stands for itself, doesn't it. Frankly, longevity on all conditions,
whether it be in India or whether it be in England.
There was outstanding player, yeah, phenomenal player. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
There are some people who would say sportsman knighthood, you know,
that sort of thing. It's not appropriate. But if you
are going to and they have clearly in the past.
I think there's no doubt Jimmy Anderson needs to join
that revered list of players. An absolute artist.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I would have saw.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Over seven hundred Test wickets, one hundred and eighty eight Tests.
I mean that's extraordinary. You know that must be the
most for an opening bowler in the Tests. Surely, so
accurate and so precise swing what I call interrogating last
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second betting, because you know you've got to keep adjusting
to the swing.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Are you going to play it or not? And so on.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
He's had different versions, like every player who plays that
length of time. He started off and here he had
good pace, and they tried to change his action. I
remember at the basin wads they at lunch time, he
wasn't playing, and they used to pull out all the
road cones. You'd be pleased with that, And they actually
went onto the base and reserved to try and change
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the line of his run up. And then so he
returned to his original one and his natural way of bowling. Originally,
he did blow a bit hot and cold early on.
I mean went on he was just you know, irresistible
and went off. He was a bit over the place.
But then that poned and he added reverse swing. When
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he went to Asia, so when the ball wouldn't swing conventionally,
so he had another skill there to use. And then
instead of having to wait for the ball to deteriorate
to get reverse swing, he learned about the wobble ball
that oscillates a little bit as it goes down the pitch,
which a lot of bowlers use nowadays. And so they
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seem the ball seems and they don't know which way
and orders the bowler orders the batsman.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
But the key to it all is the same as Richard,
same as Richard.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Hadley, where the ball pitchers, Sir Richard, where it comes
from the consistency of where the ball is pitching. It's
all down to not all down to movement. It's where
the movement comes from. And very it's interesting too. He's
a bit of a contradiction really off the field, quite
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a shy I know, I know Jimmy quite well and
have done little things with him, and he's a man
of few words, but on the field very verbally aggressive
and the hence you get that response from you know
in Australia where they said they were going to break
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his arm, you remember that, and they told him straight
to his face while he was batting.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, so yeah, I remember, but certainly deserving.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah, I remember working with him in the last World Cup.
You were there too, Jerry.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, he was wonderful in the in the country box,
you know, being able to spend some time with him.
You talk about that trip to New Zealand. They weren't
going to play him in that series where he went
to play for Auckland. Didn't he to try and try cricket,
and you know everybody was sort of saying, well, you know,
Jimmy Anderson, you know he's not worth his place.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, different story now.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Yeah, Well that's when he came back. He came back
at the base and wads with my broad and that's
when that partnership began, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yep? One New Zealander and one Australian, Sir Generald Bradman
and Sir Richard Hadley. Are there any other New Zealanders
that deserve knighthoods in New Zealand? I don't know about Australia.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I really haven't looked at that, but could any New
Zealander that there have been quite a few who are
probably deserving.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It's an interesting question because if you look at Jimmy Anderson.
Where does one draw the line because he's opening bowler
partner Broad was pretty useful too, with an outstanding record.
It's I know it's arbitrary, but in terms of New
Zealand that becomes really hard. Yeah. I mean Richard Hadley
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just just as the standout, just just be the other
great standout apart from you, Jerry, of course, was Martin
Crowe you know to me? To me, yes, a phenomenal player. Absolutely,
and then scroll forward going backwards, No, I don't think so,
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would you say Bert? Yeah? Possibly read Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
That's the other name that came to me. Those two
names from about the fifth well, the forties through to the.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Sixties held New Zealand together. Yeah. Goshtare a lot from
the West Indies though, aren't they guys?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know if you go are there? Gosh, you know
them all?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
What do you I mean?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
But yeah, yeah, well that's right. Have you did you
meet Clyde Walcott?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Did you meet Frank Warrel?
Speaker 4 (40:05):
No, I missed him, he was unavailable.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
But I mean Larry Constantine.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I missed him too.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I wasn't born then, but I mean in recent times
they've gone through viv richards Richie Richardson to Kurtley Ambrose,
et cetera, et cetera. Courtney Walsh didn't get one to do,
which was interesting. But they've they've gone around the islands
and I see, you know, I mean that's a recognition,
I suppose of their contribution to Caribbean cricket. But yeah,
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it's it's just interesting. I mean the point you made,
you know that between sport and you know, knighthoods and
those sorts of things that particularly in a team game
where a lot of individuals have been helped by you know,
good second slippers. I mean, how many catchers were taken
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off Richard Hadley's bonding Ian Smith? Would he have taken
a few?
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Would he be worth and he certainly would, He certainly would.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
Yeah, I know it, But I mean that's ah, look,
it's okay, It's okay. I don't I don't think it's
is it overly important? I suppose it's really it's it's
it's recognition, isn't it recognition of the length of time
and the and the skill that they used while they
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were there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yep, contribution to the game was significant and they were
acknowledged for it. Coming to an end of another edition
on the front foot. I just wonder, guys, have I
missed something a news release from the ICC, perhaps, But
I was watching and it's great to be able to
watch county cricket in the middle of the night when
you can't sleep. I draw the line at the fact
(41:51):
that I watched for three hours the other night. I
don't know why I couldn't get back to sleep, but
I was watching Worcestershire play Essex because I was interested
to see Jacob Duffy, who'd been padded all around the
park in the first game and he seemed to find
the rhythm in the second game. But there were a
couple of guys batting, a fellow by the name of Pepper.
He might have been looking for salt, but he was
(42:13):
out in the I p l and Harmer were batting
for Essex, and a fellow in pads were standing at
the non strikers in a runner. Have you seen a
change again to the rules that allows for runners?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Or is it peculiarly? Peculiarly England most do you know?
Speaker 5 (42:37):
You've got me start?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
I don't think there's been changes to the international game.
I haven't seen anything from the ICC to say this
is what we're doing, usually suggested by that sort of committee.
But whether it is in the in the first class game,
the county level, which you're describing about over and over
(43:04):
in England, England. Yes, I think I said to you
before they would be leave of course that they're the
only ones who tell the truth, so that the Batsman
would say, no, I definitely can't run. I definitely can't run.
That's really bad, and so I'll need a runner. Thank
you very much, mister, mister Pepper. We'll give you a runner.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
That's okay. I don't know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, I
don't know about that.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
Words.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
We'll be able to talk cricket because there's plenty of
it coming up, and hopefully we'll be able to watch
some of it from the other side of the world.
I think England are due to plays in Barbwe who
are currently playing in a Test match series against Bangladesh.
Against Bangladesh, Yeah, Bangladesh, that's the one, and New Zealand
(43:54):
will be sending an eighteam over to Bangladesh to pick
up the slack from that. Otherwise, see you guys, I'm
sure can spend most of your time either watching county
cricket in England or the IPL, which I'm sure both
of you do.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Avidly, no, not no have It wouldn't be the word
I'd use, but I don't watch it at all, not
at all.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Good good. That makes three of us. We'll have to
watch the county game. Thanks goodbuyes talk it.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
To me boys, oh hey, take it all the forties
of summer.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
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