March 2, 2025 • 40 mins
Tim was recently told about an employer who binned a young man's CV for using three different fonts.
Max says it's not uncommon, and there are many small mistakes that will lose you the job.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh, yeah, well, I've got to let that theme run,
you know, for the employment our working class man. But
Jimmy Barnes there, welcome back. I'm Tim Beverdges is the
Weekend Collective. This is smart Money, by the way, a
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Just in the last hour talking with Kate Hall from
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so in fact, it's probably right on the front of
our web page right now. But right now I was
going to make some smart, some smart comment about well,
the best is the best to come as opposed to
(01:16):
have passed. But we're talking smart money. And I was
achieving a chat with someone the other day. He's an
employer who was looking at an application and noticed that
the younger whod was applying for a job had used
three different fonts in the application, and it was maybe
in an unexpected places where they'd cobbled together the CV
and they hadn't realized they used a different font anyway,
(01:38):
they sort of looked, they looked close enough at it
and thought that it betrayed a lack of attention to detail,
which does raise this question. So what we're going to
explore with our guest today is are there simple things
or attributes that you might be completely unaware of that
you need to guard against because they'll just be Let's
(02:01):
look at it this way, if if applying for job
was Tinder, it would have you at the potential employer
slipe swiping left instead of right, or bumble or whatever
you're using hinge or something. So yeah, are there attribute
attributes that are unattractive to employers that you need to
actually bear in mind? It might even be I'm sure
(02:23):
most people when they're going to a job interview think
about the audience they've got and whether they should be wearing,
you know, a pair of jeans or chinos on an
ic openeck shirt, or whether they should be wearing a suit,
because it depends on the job you're going for. If
you're going for a job as a build a Builders apprentice,
maybe turning up in a T shirt and the right
sort of boots is all you need and the right
(02:44):
sort of safety here. Whereas if, obviously, if you're going
for something in the corporate environment, maybe dressing up in
the full three piece suit might be a perfect or
overkill I don't know. And joining me to discuss that
it actually might have a bit of banter just around
the old discussion Andrew Bailey, it's self dismissal, should I say?
Is Max Whitehead. He's employment relation experts from the white
(03:04):
Head group. He's easy to track down. By the way,
we're not going to bang on about his contact details.
He's Max Whitehead. Google him employment and you'll find them Max. Hello, Hello,
and what a welcome.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't by the way, folks, don't go and listen
to that other but yet but later on, later on,
actually I'm not going to listen, but not now excellent,
the next how is going to be exciting?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Actually just on the before we get into the just
the things that people can do wrong with this.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
By the way, did you notice Trump grabbed Vilensky by
the upper arm? Did he? Well?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Actually did he because Zelensky I know that. But mccron
grabbed or just gently placed his hand on Trump's arm
when he was telling you, by the way, we have
we lent the money or we gave it or whatever.
I didn't notice the grab because I was more listening
to it. But of course, Andrew Bailey, it does sound
(03:59):
like he got carried away with the emotion of the moment.
But you were telling me about an interesting story about
in the States how they dismiss people. Because we got
onto this because the question around luxon just having that
let's not say that it's disastrous, but it was an
unnecessary distraction from his political agenda by just not being
(04:22):
able to say to Mike Cosking, yes I would have
sacked him, when that would have just been there, we are,
move on, but instead we had three minutes back and forth.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Maybe doesn't it tell you why? Obviously there's a lot
more to this story, and obviously it's been held in confidence,
and I think by three parties. I could suggest by
the perpetrator who's resigned, and then the course of the victim,
who's who's acknowledged it. If you were resigning, I accept it,
(04:52):
and the boss who knows the full story, and the
boss is not giving mum at all.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Actually, you know what he should have said he I
think this is the way you could. If he didn't
want to say yes, I would have sacked him. He
could have simply said, look, if it was a case
of me hiving to sack Andrew Bailey, it would have
I would have had to, as a matter of due process,
undertake a lot more examination of the facts. So it
(05:17):
wasn't a case that I could instantly sack him in
the way that he was able to resign. So it
may well have been that if the facts had mounted
up to as outlined, then I would have. But I
can't answer that question as easy as.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
As nobody can. And that's why, because we don't know
the facts.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Because in the States, you're telling me that there's the
way of sacking. The way of sacking people in the
States sounds horrendous sometimes.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Just from my perspective, from the New Zealand legal perspective.
But go and put a cardboard box in someone's desk
is the loud signal leave and leave now.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So literally they arrive in their office and there's just
a big cardboard box, which is a code for stick
your stuff in here and get out of here. Have
you encountered that in New Zealand?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I did it one time. But the individual who did
that had just taken over a very very high role,
leading role within an organization and was naive to New
Zealand law. And so he obviously was.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The person who had the box on the desk. And
from the American.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No no, no, no, the new boss ah right, it'd
come back to New Zealand and been trained in news
in the British and the USA law and the law
over there is really you have more relax read more relaxation.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He or she would have just said, well, I think
we said he just go and shove a cardboard box
on the desk and they'll get the message and leave.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
BlimE me, that's heartless, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was? And of course I went and then said
I had to explain the law. And by that time
so I was called on an urgency. Then the executive
was actually told Max White's waiting in the waiting room.
He wants to have a word with you about New
Zealand law. He said, hang on a minute. So he
then calls up their lawyers who come down and then
(07:01):
they all sit there nodding while I'm explaining the law
to this person.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And then so she did leave with a cardboard box,
but not full of her belonging, A.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Big suitcase of cash, A big suitcase of cash, well,
a wheelbarer. In this particular case, it was miles. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Although metaphorical where we're talking people, I don't literally think
they would pay people. Imagine if you've got to pay
out in ready's and literally cash, you know, bills, dollar bills.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
That happened in the old days. I know a guy
who shot down to one of our paper and pulp
and mills with a whole lot of cash in a
paper bag flummy.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, hey, look we want your calls. I mean, there
was a fun sort of topic to get into, but
we wanted to ask about, well, look at the things
that employers or employees. In fact, there may be if
you're an employee, you might turn up for a job interview,
and it depends on the market, of course, if you're
gagging for some money and you're just desperate to get
a job. Because the employment the employment market is pretty
(07:58):
it's not so flash as it was even just a
year or so.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's pretty difficult at the moment in New Zealand particularly,
I mean, businesses are closing door was being being bang
or getting rid of staff.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it's not so I mean, this is maybe not
part of it, but there will be times, and have
been only just recently. I remember you and I discussing
how people were you know, employers are falling over themselves
to get people. You might have walked down and there
might be something about the employee. In fact, I do
have a story on this. I went for back when
(08:28):
my law days, when I was I've been between my
final year and my third and finally the third and
the fourth year of law, and you could go become
a summer clark at a law firm in Auckland, and
I actually did turn down the offer because I had
a few interviews. I won't say which law firm it was.
(08:50):
I'm really tempted, but I won't anyway, but one of
the law firms the one I went to was well,
they did a pretty big job of making sure it
looked like we were going to have a good time there,
even though I was I wass wanting to get a
good legal experience. But then there was one where I
walked into the partner's office to have the interview and
there wasn't a piece of paper or anything that was
(09:13):
out of place. It was just immaculate. And as I
sat down, he even lined his pin up with the
side of his pads so it was perpendicular and it
was just too clean, and it freaked me out, and
I thought, and it was I just thought, there's no
way I want to because it just there was a
level of pannickettiness and I thought if I was going
(09:33):
to re report him to this guy, life would be
a hell. So there was that was an easy to
There's no way I was going to do it. And
so that was whereas he he might have thought, I'm
showing you how isn't it great to walk into a
nice clean office with no rubbish?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Absolutely, and I've experienced as well. Some of my colleagues
used to have a completely clean desk. And then I
remember the chief executive saying, listen, you guys, some of you,
I've got an office like a teenager. Now get in
there and tidy it up. Yeah, this is your mother speaking.
(10:07):
It's funny on both sides of the ledger.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I remember when my mum had to have some surgery
and we met the surgeon and his office was immaculate,
and I remember thinking, this is exactly the quality I'm
looking for now. The guys on top of everything, but
it wasn't didn't feel nitt. I expected to see at
least a pile of papers somewhere, and this is before
computers were rolling the roost.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well I can recall. I think i'll name him because
it's almost a compliment. It was David Renkin at Auckland
City Council. He had immaculate desk always, and because he
made chief executive as well. But you wouldn't see anything
on his desk. It would look really, really smart and
you saw that purity of mind as well, you know,
because mind you, he was quite politically savvy as well,
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so he did pick his way on how to do things,
and he's still going by the way.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think the thing with that job interview for me
wasn't the fact it was so tidy. It was the
fact that the pen couldn't even be slightly slightly off angle.
It had to be at ninety degrees or just in fact,
I think I became quite fixated on why is he
really moving that pen to be parallel? Anyway?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Well, one of your colleagues, who's right up there in
this organization, brushes his cuff all the time, getting the
dust off it, really and I often thought, I've wondered
if his desk is absolutely immaculate. I don't know that's
the way to the ads of means.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I want to have, though, If you are an employer
or an employee, what other things, the little things that
can put you off working for someone, Because depending on
the job, of course, if you're working for some big company,
you're going to be just one of the faces among
the masses. It doesn't really matter what your bosses. Your
bosses like necessarily as long as they are fair, whereas
if it's a really close personal relationship, it does have
(11:49):
you do you know what things turn employers off that
people wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Aware of, Max, Well, I just heard recently about the
manner of your way you dress. So some high ranking
person came through and the word to all the executives
where you've got to wear a suit. He does not
like anybody not wearing a suit. And so that's the
big word that went out in that organization. So yeah,
(12:13):
there are pinicky type people. So one of the key
things I would say is try to mimic the manager
if you can, the person interviewing you, the way they sit,
the way they dress. Everything. You can do some research
before you get that interview, but try and mimic them.
Not not perfectly, because that would look pathetic. You know,
when they cross their legs, you cross your legs, but
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certainly you know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's actually I was just I couldn't cost you. I
couldn't help. But think of the politics thing. When Zelensky
was turning up at the White House, and because he
wears black and solidarity with the people who in combat
fatigs all the time, and he said, won't wear a suit,
until the war's over. But of course that probably that
was actually something that Trump noticed even remarked on it,
and you wonder whether he should have actually shoved on
the suit. But it's almost I mean, it's interpersonal relationships
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and skills and you want to win the other person over. Actually,
you can give us a call on this O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What are the little things?
Will the attention to detail that you make if you're
looking for a job or if you're an employer and
you're looking to hire someone, and clothing is a big
part of it. Forget the you know that the CV
(13:18):
that has three different fonts in the right place. But
you may be if someone's got an overly floral they've
got stuck into Microsoft Word or whatever the Apple thing is,
and they've gone with a design font that's just too
floral and make you just look at it and go nuh,
don't even read it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, it depends on the job, though, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
So we want your cause as well. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. But also we have Max Max Whitehead
in here. He's an employment expert. If you've got any
questions about your gig or the person who's working for
you and that's their gig, then give us a call.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty text nine two nine
two twenty one past five News Talks Z'B News Talks
THEB with Tim Beveridge. Max Whitehead is my guest. He
(13:56):
is from the white Head Group, employment relations expert. The things,
the little things that you can do wrong or right
that can get you on the right side. Actually what
I what are the basics what you would say to people?
And also, by the way, the CV is obviously we've
talked about cvs before on this show, but in fact
the role of AI, I would actually cynically speaking, I
(14:17):
think AI, if you want it to do all your
work for you, is bad news. But if you've got
a CV and you've got all your experience, you've got
some paragraphs and what you want to say, and you
pop it to AI and just say tight of this
up for me and the job is it actually quite clevel.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It is, And because someone like me can go back
and critique it. And I use AI all the time,
but certainly I critique it all the time just because
it does have errors. But by goodness, it's getting good
it's really improving.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Which one? Which one have you used when you gpt out?
Is that the free or the paid version?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I put ten bucks a month? You list into it,
so yeah, I just to get a little bit better.
That's called paid, but the Chinese ones even cheap.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Is that free or paid?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I give it ten dollars a month. Yes, that's paid.
You are like and Christopher Luxan there you were saying, well,
it's not paid, but I do give it ten dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Isn't that what you get paid?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well a little on that, but well thank you for
eleven dollars anyway, right, let's take some calls. James Hello, Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
James.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Gre Tim MX. Hey. My question is I've got to
be careful how I would it just in case I
offend some people. But I'm a truck driver class five.
The companies just hired are a number of foreign drivers,
and they're asking us to train the new drivers. I've
(15:42):
explained to my boss and saying that I don't feel
safe in the vehicle while I'm to train somebody new,
especially when English is there are second language, and he
basically says that you have to train them, you know,
And I'm a can.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They speak English? I mean can they the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah they can yeah, yep, they can't speak English.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
But so your question is that it should you be
forced to train them?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yes, that's the question.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You safe?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I don't feel safe, mate.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You don't they take the wheel? Is that where you
don't feel safe? Or are you you sitting in the
passenger seat.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'm in the passenger's seat and they're behind the wheel.
You've got a sort of like teach them how to drive?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is that the only reason you don't like it? Is
it taking up your time? Are you being more productive
elsewhere or you could make more money doing something else?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh not at all.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's part of my job is being the truck driver.
But I just don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Are they're not going to understand you when you say break? Ah?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Not so much.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They must have their license of some sort. Anyway, Look,
the ployer, employer can actually give you instructions if it's reasonable.
And the answer to this is that you're possibly going
to have to suck it up because it's not unreasonable
for you to do a little bit of instruction if
you're asked to do it night and day, night and day,
and it's going on and on, maybe that is getting unreasonable.
(17:19):
But if it's just every occasion.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Because because because, James, you could have just a bigger
problem with someone who's got perfect English but can't tell
left from right. I'd be more worried about those ones,
the ones who have to literally hold their film to
go that's left on that side.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, one hundred percent, I totally agree with you, But
just that I'm I don't feel comfortable behind well in
the truck with somebody well I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Know, text yourself, then, I would say, James, So what
you ought to do is then tell them that emailed
your boss saying look, I'm not feeling comfortable and if
there's a problem I don't want to be held accountable here.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Right. Yeah, yeah, you're put in your life and danger
as well, because it's something you know, there's a Class
five truck in you know you're cadding.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Well, as I say, it's like straddling a torpedo. You
know you've got to drive in the steer in the
right direction.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I wouldn't be I mean
I think you know, with people who've got English as
a second language, I think you've you've just got to
make sure you try and establish that communication before you
get in the in the truck and feel that everything's comfortable,
and then then you get to know each other a
bit and you establish that rapport and yeah, no, good
luck with that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Good luck with not easy to get a truck license
to him, I would say that they probably had to
be scrutinized pretty closely before that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, tough gig driving trucks, actually, but I actually must
be quite I've talked to quite a few truck he's
on overnight talk back and things. But some of the
rigs that they're driving, it's quite interesting the little higher
the rivalry.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Deep thinkers. Rivers really do some thinking when they're out there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh yeah, well you know you've got no. I love
my truck driver callers with some great characters and conversations. Yeah,
I R eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty By
the way, he I think my producer was saying, we
think that the previous caller was saying, they don't have
a license, but he having to train them before they
go for their lives. But I wonder, I think, well,
(19:12):
I mean, they would have to have some form of
basic license of car license, wouldn't if you're going for
a truck license.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well, I tell you what your responsibility level. As he
would have I wouldn't let them behind the wheel unless
I was comfortable that they were safe and again could
understand signs and read street signs and things like that. Look,
I think then in that particular case, well then I
would be saying to the boss, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Hey, how important is it to dress right for your interview?
I mean i'd say that thinking it's actually vital, but carry.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
On, Yeah it is. But it depends on the job,
of course, depends on what sort of role you're going for.
If you're going for a farm farm hand job, well
then you can dress down in a more relaxed view
and the boss will like you for it. And I've
actually met a builder one time. He said, I judge
the candidates that come to me you want an apprenticeship even,
he said, if they're mouthy, he said, I don't want them.
(20:05):
He said, I want someone who's quite quite achiever, doesn't
sit back and tell you how wonderful they are. They
would just say, oh, yeah, I've done that in silence.
He said, I would actually have more confidence and trust
than someone who goes man you should see what I've done.
I can do this and that, can I build a
house and then I build a high rise, and then
you know, just goes on. But what I'm saying is
(20:26):
dress is important, and I think it is, but you've
got to do your homework first, particularly the industry.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Do employers that this is an interesting text I've got here,
But I'll ask a question first Instagram and social media profiles?
How often would employers be like, actually would are they
entitled to ask for your social media profile? First? And secondly,
because you know you might have a particular handle, especially
(20:54):
when it comes to Instagram. You know, even though my
name might be Tim Beverage or something, my Instagram might
be something a little mischievous. It's not, by the way's
pretty straight ahead. But somebody said here now, guys, as
an employer, people need to watch the social media and email.
Absolutely that they had a girl apply for a job
and her email was dirty little something at blah blah blah.
(21:16):
Whoa so that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Sort of to turn them off? Well, yeah, possibly, it
depends on the job. But what I'm what I was
about to say is that is critical. I google every
one of my new clients before we start I would
say most employers would be a fool not to google them,
particularly the like I read cases all the time. But
so often the social media gets employees into trouble their
(21:41):
own private social media. They might be bad mouthing the boss.
That's enough to get you fired because you're bringing in
the company into distribute. So you've really got to be
careful out there. So that text you got there before
is really right there. You've really got to get it
right otherwise you're going to be scrutinized. And so go
through your social media and pull it apart, take it
(22:04):
out before you apply for job, because just there'll be
eyeballs watching it and looking through it, maybe wading into
the past as well.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, we'd like your cause on this as well. What
are the what are the things that the little things
you make sure you keep on top of, or if
you're an employer, what are the little things that can
just make you look at someone and go, look, it
was looking good up util the point that they mentioned
the war. That's a John Clea's reference. By the way,
you can give us a call eight hundred ten eight
on that. Let's just get back to that. You know
(22:34):
we mentioned we just touched on chat GPT reviewing your CV,
I would also want worry. I guess that it would
give your CV a sameness because I mean, how much
does the AI preserve your individual.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I think that's our future. I actually think that the
whole world is going to be sameness, because that's what
the chat GPT and all the other AI really goes online,
finds that standard, it likes the highest standard, and goes
of it. Now, there will be a time in future
that most people will be using a AI to do everything,
(23:12):
and the standard will be right at that high level
all the time, because that's where they get it from.
And by the way, computers are talking to computers, so
they are already coming to that high level of standard
right now. Where just the world is lifting up at
such a pace to that credentials, you'll find everyone CV
will be at the same format in the future.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Which makes it harder for employers, doesn't it, because in fact,
they could probably run a CV they just upload it
to chat gpten say check this has this been generated
by AI? And an AI would might be saying, well,
these certain phrases are found quite commonly, and we think
(23:53):
there's a certain percentage of it being AI, that's probably
I'm guessing that's all well.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That is Look if you think about that as well,
if there's a high standard put into it, what is
that standard?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
If somebody comes up like Tim Beverige comes up with
for unique CB which stands out like nothing, that'll be
the new standard. But I would suggest that's going to
be the goal for everybody is probably to try and
find something a little bit better than chet GPT or
any other AI has actually got their hands on.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right, We're going to take a moment and love your cause.
If you would like to give us a call you
got any questions for Max white Head is from the
white Head Group. I waight one hundred and eighty ten
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Yes, Newstalk set B. This is a smart money. We're
talking with Max Whitehead, employment relations expert. And of course
there's there how many songs Max have working Man? If
I was going to do a country album, and I
wanted to make it as obvious as possible. I'm sure
i'd have a song about being working man or something.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Well, I think it really works. But I recall when
the working Classman came out way back into the working Yeah,
well that really got to the top of the pops everywhere,
and it really was a Chris song.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I think, probably more for justocals and the run them
and everything, and then maybe the lyrics as well.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Only puts some grunt in it, doesn't he gives it
these everything?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh yeah, gosh, yes, god, you can't, you can't.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Jimmy, Jimmy Barnes. They had him dancing, Is it him? Yeah?
They had him dancing in front of the fires, you
know they burn off the sugarcane.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh no, no, was that him? I know, I know
the video probably yeah, it just looked rugged.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It just looked rugged and dramatic.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
We want your calls, by the way, you welcome to
Often we find with these hours when we've got Max
and suddenly about everyone and when it's about five minutes
to go to size, I'm going to call. So if
you want to give us a call, and you've got
any questions for Max, Whitehead. I did call you white Head,
and't I didn't use.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That, you didn't use the other one.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
For a longiss the old MP for Tatawary years ago.
I'm not going to plant the seed in my brain.
But if you want to get some advice from Max Whitehead,
we're talking. We're having a chat about the things you
can do right or wrong to blow, to blow your
chance with an employer or or otherwise just to maybe
get you across the line. Because there are some things
where you can meet someone and you bump you about
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fifty to fifty, and there's a couple of simple things
they say, and you go, oh my goodness, this is
the this is the man or the woman for the job.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You can you can and also you can actually spoil it.
Your chances are getting a job, So you've got to
play it just right.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Don't swear. Probably, don't swear, even if the boss is
swearing and cursing. Probably.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Attitude's a big one, it really is. You've got to
have a really good attitude. Make sure your time keeping
is good. Make sure that you're not overly sensitive about
all sorts of issues and critical of things. Make sure
you don't use reckless language and crude comments, those things.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, how would you deal with a situation where you
have left your previous job because your boss was awful
and of course, bagging someone never looks good. But your
new employers wants to know why did you leave? And
you don't want to be You don't want to fab
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because that's not good either. You don't want to drag
someone under the bus, even though you might want to say, well,
the reason I left was because my boss is a psychopath.
But how do you handle those questions? Because that must
be common?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It is, and that's something It's a good question because
that's something you should prepare yourself for. It's going to
be asked, and the way to handle it would be
to go, look, I've spent enough years there in time there,
I've decided that perhaps, you know, my nolly, I was
getting more mature and I felt that it was time
for me to move on.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You're the employer E and I'm hiring you, and I say, well,
why haven't you listed your previous boss as a reference?
How are you going to answer that? Because that tells
you there's more to that story.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, well, you might say you might be I'd say
you're going to be honest with the with the employer
and saying, well, we didn't see idee about everything, and
from time to time we did have some concerns. But
that's not going to help you get the job. So
you need to be a little bit tactful on how
you do that. You might say, one circumstance, him and
I or her and I came to disagreement on some
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things and I thought, Max, why not stop your moaning
just you know, use your feet from this one and
move on. And so I did that out of due
respect for them, and I didn't want to impose my
views on them. So that shows you're quite a reasonable
chappi or chap it.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So no matter what the wrong is, you have to
park some of it. Even if say your bosses ripped
you off on your wages or something. I mean, what
if it's something like that I got screwed over the wages,
the boss got prosecuted or something. I don't know, is
there a point where you actually would go, well, actually,
you probably go, look, you might want to look that
one up in the newspaper back.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well, even your new boss won't be too impressed if
you just let that go if you've got to push back,
and you should be able to fight for yourself because
this sort the boss will want you to do a
good boss anyway, Some wouldn't. They probably prefer you just
to fold over and accept what it's been done to you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
A texts says, by the way, and the train driver thinks,
I wouldn't. I would not train truck drivers. I'd resign
and work for someone else. If the training recks the
truck them, what then well that's you know, if you
don't want to train truck drivers, then you don't accept
that job. But if you are training them, I think
we're missing the point there. It's about and if you
sign up to train people, I think you generally have
to train people, don't you. Okay, let's well this is
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an interesting one. Actually, just I'm based on that conversation.
Let's go to Jonathan get eight.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Hey, Jonathan, Hi, I just have.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
A question in terms of when you're moving to a
new role and you asked for into and all that
kind of stuff. You've got to be honest, right, So
in your interview phase when you when you have your
interview and you go and you tell them an information
as an employer, you're looking for an on this person
and all those organization is being true to your new
employer that things can work out, and you're a bad manager.
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Why is that looked as as negative? You know when
you have a bad manager, you know, people don't I do.
Why Why is that looked as a negative?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Why isn't that looked as a positive? Because that person
is being honest and being upfront to you. Yeah, and
you can work out.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Let me tell you why because the lay Look, I've
been around a long time and a long long time,
so what I'm trying to say to you is in
the past you've been critical would be accepted, but today
people only want to look at the positive side of life.
If you can introduce that you're looking at the positive
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side of your employment all the time, I think it
stands better. And you're steed, but you're so right where
you started from, and that's to be honest, and I
think you should be. But if you can avoid the negativity,
I think it's going to go down a lot better
for you. Because if you go in the boss say look,
I hated the last employer. They just really upset me.
I couldn't stand being there. I just really the first
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thing the person's going to be thinking interviewing you is going, well,
you're going to hate it here? Are you the same way?
I'm probably will you seem to have that tendency about you?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yeah, but that's just one job, right, doesn't mean your
other references are going to be bad. You know, if
you had a bad experience. Everybody has some sort of
a boss that's really bad that they've gone through, but
all honesty eve in New Zealand. You've got to be
honest with each other. That's what they expect. And if
honesty is going to be taken as a back lace
towards you, then you're forcing people to not be honest.
You're forcing people to be dishonest. You get what I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think you say it as
it is. If you've only been there five minutes, then
you say, look, I just couldn't get on with the boss.
I mean, you say you're only there a month and say,
look I just really couldn't find my way on that organation.
That was not a good fit. And me and the
boss we actually had some words and I just really
didn't want to sit there any long because it was
no good for them and he's no good for me.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, hey, thanks to Jonathan. I think there is something
about that. Even no matter how acrimonious your previous job
ended up, you just have to really try and suck
it up and have a bit of dignity. Even if
you are going to say, look, there were some problems
at the last place, but I'd rather not go into
them because I thought it was just best to leave.
And if you know what I mean, there's got to
be a way of saying it in a way that
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because if you just look like you want to score
some points.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Either a real you know, yeah, yeah, and it's a
real situation. I've got a Chinese friend of mine and
then he said to me that his friends, he's got
a boss who yells at them, at her all the time,
yelling at them. And I said, well, don't tolerate it.
You first off, notify them that you don't like that
be spoken like that. And the second if it occurs again,
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well it's time to go.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Actually, where is raising your voice? I mean you can
and some fairly. I mean, radio is a pretty dramatic environment.
People can get a bit hot and about things, but
what are the general vibes around, I guess bosses and
raising your voice is that sort of fairly a bit
of a no.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No, It is a bit of a no not, so
you shouldn't do that. And I've seen cases lost on that,
you know, personal grievances. So I mean I saw Trump
raising his voice when Velinsky said, look at the advances
yelling at me and Trump City is not and then
suddenly coming volume. So what I'm saying to you, though,
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is what the employee's responsibility is to say to the boss, Hey,
I don't like you doing this, And if we can
communicate some more civil way or some manner upon which
it doesn't require yelling at me, I'd be much more
inclined to be listening.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, here's one from Kate. I'm not on social media
at all? Would that impair opportunities for employment the prospective boss?
Would they expect to be able to ferret in my
social life via social media?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'd say, if you're not on social media, I think
it's it's a bonus for you. They can't find out
much more about you.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So, but would there be employees are thinking this is weird?
She isn't even a social media profile?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Is ye, a hermit or Oh, there's a lot of
people out there like that a lot, and they just
don't have any profile littly don't want to be recognized
online at all. They've got a real anti it. But
I don't think you can judge an individual on that,
and I don't think a employer would. I think what
they're looking for is the attributes that they see in
front of them. Yeah, it's disappointing for an employe because
you do see another side of somebody at times, but
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let them be disappointed.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Actually, by the way, just on a funny point there,
somebody said it was Peter Garrett from Midnight All and
standing in front of the burning sugar cane.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Was a petty Garrett.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently it was. I'm going to have
to go it's burning, burning far with gasoline. I don't know,
but it was a great image. I do remember. I
just don't remember the guys in front, but yeah, Midnight
or reason home to google this. If you knew your
employment agreement, you would agree to come under a collective agreement.
Can your employer add extra rules like an extra code
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in a school environment?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yes, they can, I mean they can, and when you've
got rules. They can introduce more rules, provided they're reasonable.
So if the if the boss introduces a rule into
the workplace you don't find reasonable, you can contest it,
and you should.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What are examples of rules that someone might introduce that
would be objectionable? Anything that comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Oh, you're not at a park within a park, your
vehicle within a kilometer of the workplace, or something like that,
because maybe the customers come before you. That's unreasonable. I
would think a kilometer if your highs would be fine.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
But if they said no parking directly outside.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, and I'm just working off the cuff here, but certainly,
you know you've got to be in the office. Some
people will really find this obnoxious. You've got to be
in the office three times a week now or be
in the office all the time?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Where are you on that? Do you just advise people?
I guess you don't have an opinion because you'll be
working for both sides of the employees. Well, get your
butt into the office, and you'll be talking to employees
who are like, I don't get my button into the office.
I work well at home.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I revert back to the law every time. So you
look at the employment agreement. The employment agreement says there's
a specified address because every employment does work to be undertaken,
then that's what you're going to go by. If it
says you can work from home, well that's you because
nobody can change your employment agreement on their own. They
have to have both parties.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Okay, a couple more texts here, Hello, gents, what gets
my goat? And this is probably one for me as well.
It's too many spelling mistakes in the CV. I can
manage one or two basic grammatical eras fancy fonts and
if it's too long. A lot of teachers are shockingly
detailed unfocused. Too bad if they're on't enough to choose
from right now? Oh, this sounds like a principle here
it does, and ah in the interview this is a
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great one. I wish somebody mentioned this in an interview.
A damp, sloppy handshake is almost a killer. And I
actually reckon the art of the handshake. I don't know
what would put me off, but and we do apply
we'd probably apply a different standard to men and women.
But there is the handshakes, interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Oh? Yeah, my father used to give me lectures about handshake.
It's very important, he said.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
If something you know those people who grab your hand
and turn it over so there's is on top. I'm out.
I'm just like you're a dack.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah you are, because you're trying to say I'm I'm overparent.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I find that the most pathetic gesture of all. If
I know someone does that, I tend to I'll go
in and I'll keep my hand up. I don't even
try it, buddy.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But a soppy handshake does not go down well. But
because people are nervous at interviews and they may do.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Sweaty palms, you can't. Yeah, that's it's more the style
of it's just like holding a dead fish. Then you
know that probably doesn't. It doesn't anyway. It's depending on
the job of.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I met a new one of my new bosses. This
is I've just been writing my memoirs actually, and so
I met this new boss and I put my hand
out to shake it, and you just ignored it. That
all that I find most obnoxious. It's like when somebody
won't even answer you when you talk to them. Oh,
actually that I hate that as well.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Actually I do. I do love that one about the handshake.
I'm glad someone brought that up because it's just but
it is obvious when you finally meet them. In fact,
that's the thing about I'm not sure I'd like the
Zoom interview so much because you like to see people.
It's like this show I love people in the studio.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I mean, Zoom is fine, you know, Tim, I reckon
the handshake is going to go. I think it's going
to disappear in time to come see. If you touch
someone's shoulder, you could be up for all sorts of problems.
First pump, first pump, terrible, terrible, Okay, I'm right into it,
but I mean, a good friend, why not.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay, we'll be back in a moment to say goodbye.
It is seven and a half hour time, already seven
and a half and it's to six. Yes, and that
is actually the answer to our question. It wasn't, in
fact as my text said. It wasn't Actually, it wasn't
Peter Garrett. It was in fact as Max had said.
I've checked the video and if you text on this
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was definitely Jimmy Barnes on the cover of Working Class.
It was working class Man and standing in in the front.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Of the remember invidly. That's why it was a bit
skeptical when the other one said it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, you know, I love the fact that people are
passion abating these things right, but someone's going to get
it wrong, and it wasn't you this time.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Max.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
If you want Max to get it right for you
and your employment situation, and go to look up for
the look for the Whitehead Group or Max Max Whitehead
Employment and away you go. You'll be You'll be in
touch with them, and I'll thank you for your company,
Thank you so much. Sunday Out six is next. If
you've missed any of the previous hours, then you can
go and check them out on where the webcast your
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podcast should I say news Talk said be and I
look for to your company same time next weekend. Have
a great evening, catch you soon.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh, yeah, well, I've got to let that theme run,
you know, for the employment our working class man. But
Jimmy Barnes there, welcome back. I'm Tim Beverdges is the
Weekend Collective. This is smart Money, by the way, a
slightly deconstructor or a different approach to our health hub.
Just in the last hour talking with Kate Hall from
Ethically Kate just about making ethical decisions about well, I
was going to sort of stretch it into the food
to tie a little closer to the health I thing,
(00:30):
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out if you missed it on our podcast, the Weekend Collective,
just go to News Talks. He'd be in a fascinating
politics hour as well, because while it's fun to all
take sides and talk about who their villains are with
the Trump jd vance thing with SI, let's get the Ukraine,
the question about how we actually get them back to
the table and who's going to facilitate that, I think
(00:53):
is more interesting. And we had a great chat as
well with Jeffrey Miller, who is a geopolitical analyst, So
you can go to our website and check that out
for Politics Central. I think that'll be up online already,
so in fact, it's probably right on the front of
our web page right now. But right now I was
going to make some smart, some smart comment about well,
the best is the best to come as opposed to
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have passed. But we're talking smart money. And I was
achieving a chat with someone the other day. He's an
employer who was looking at an application and noticed that
the younger whod was applying for a job had used
three different fonts in the application, and it was maybe
in an unexpected places where they'd cobbled together the CV
and they hadn't realized they used a different font anyway,
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they sort of looked, they looked close enough at it
and thought that it betrayed a lack of attention to detail,
which does raise this question. So what we're going to
explore with our guest today is are there simple things
or attributes that you might be completely unaware of that
you need to guard against because they'll just be Let's
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look at it this way, if if applying for job
was Tinder, it would have you at the potential employer
slipe swiping left instead of right, or bumble or whatever
you're using hinge or something. So yeah, are there attribute
attributes that are unattractive to employers that you need to
actually bear in mind? It might even be I'm sure
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most people when they're going to a job interview think
about the audience they've got and whether they should be wearing,
you know, a pair of jeans or chinos on an
ic openeck shirt, or whether they should be wearing a suit,
because it depends on the job you're going for. If
you're going for a job as a build a Builders apprentice,
maybe turning up in a T shirt and the right
sort of boots is all you need and the right
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sort of safety here. Whereas if, obviously, if you're going
for something in the corporate environment, maybe dressing up in
the full three piece suit might be a perfect or
overkill I don't know. And joining me to discuss that
it actually might have a bit of banter just around
the old discussion Andrew Bailey, it's self dismissal, should I say?
Is Max Whitehead. He's employment relation experts from the white
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Head group. He's easy to track down. By the way,
we're not going to bang on about his contact details.
He's Max Whitehead. Google him employment and you'll find them Max. Hello, Hello,
and what a welcome.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't by the way, folks, don't go and listen
to that other but yet but later on, later on,
actually I'm not going to listen, but not now excellent,
the next how is going to be exciting?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Actually just on the before we get into the just
the things that people can do wrong with this.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
By the way, did you notice Trump grabbed Vilensky by
the upper arm? Did he? Well?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Actually did he because Zelensky I know that. But mccron
grabbed or just gently placed his hand on Trump's arm
when he was telling you, by the way, we have
we lent the money or we gave it or whatever.
I didn't notice the grab because I was more listening
to it. But of course, Andrew Bailey, it does sound
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like he got carried away with the emotion of the moment.
But you were telling me about an interesting story about
in the States how they dismiss people. Because we got
onto this because the question around luxon just having that
let's not say that it's disastrous, but it was an
unnecessary distraction from his political agenda by just not being
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able to say to Mike Cosking, yes I would have
sacked him, when that would have just been there, we are,
move on, but instead we had three minutes back and forth.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Maybe doesn't it tell you why? Obviously there's a lot
more to this story, and obviously it's been held in confidence,
and I think by three parties. I could suggest by
the perpetrator who's resigned, and then the course of the victim,
who's who's acknowledged it. If you were resigning, I accept it,
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and the boss who knows the full story, and the
boss is not giving mum at all.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Actually, you know what he should have said he I
think this is the way you could. If he didn't
want to say yes, I would have sacked him. He
could have simply said, look, if it was a case
of me hiving to sack Andrew Bailey, it would have
I would have had to, as a matter of due process,
undertake a lot more examination of the facts. So it
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wasn't a case that I could instantly sack him in
the way that he was able to resign. So it
may well have been that if the facts had mounted
up to as outlined, then I would have. But I
can't answer that question as easy as.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
As nobody can. And that's why, because we don't know
the facts.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Because in the States, you're telling me that there's the
way of sacking. The way of sacking people in the
States sounds horrendous sometimes.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Just from my perspective, from the New Zealand legal perspective.
But go and put a cardboard box in someone's desk
is the loud signal leave and leave now.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So literally they arrive in their office and there's just
a big cardboard box, which is a code for stick
your stuff in here and get out of here. Have
you encountered that in New Zealand?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I did it one time. But the individual who did
that had just taken over a very very high role,
leading role within an organization and was naive to New
Zealand law. And so he obviously was.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
The person who had the box on the desk. And
from the American.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No no, no, no, the new boss ah right, it'd
come back to New Zealand and been trained in news
in the British and the USA law and the law
over there is really you have more relax read more relaxation.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He or she would have just said, well, I think
we said he just go and shove a cardboard box
on the desk and they'll get the message and leave.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You got it?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
BlimE me, that's heartless, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was? And of course I went and then said
I had to explain the law. And by that time
so I was called on an urgency. Then the executive
was actually told Max White's waiting in the waiting room.
He wants to have a word with you about New
Zealand law. He said, hang on a minute. So he
then calls up their lawyers who come down and then
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they all sit there nodding while I'm explaining the law
to this person.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And then so she did leave with a cardboard box,
but not full of her belonging, A.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Big suitcase of cash, A big suitcase of cash, well,
a wheelbarer. In this particular case, it was miles. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Although metaphorical where we're talking people, I don't literally think
they would pay people. Imagine if you've got to pay
out in ready's and literally cash, you know, bills, dollar bills.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
That happened in the old days. I know a guy
who shot down to one of our paper and pulp
and mills with a whole lot of cash in a
paper bag flummy.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, hey, look we want your calls. I mean, there
was a fun sort of topic to get into, but
we wanted to ask about, well, look at the things
that employers or employees. In fact, there may be if
you're an employee, you might turn up for a job interview,
and it depends on the market, of course, if you're
gagging for some money and you're just desperate to get
a job. Because the employment the employment market is pretty
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it's not so flash as it was even just a
year or so.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's pretty difficult at the moment in New Zealand particularly,
I mean, businesses are closing door was being being bang
or getting rid of staff.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it's not so I mean, this is maybe not
part of it, but there will be times, and have
been only just recently. I remember you and I discussing
how people were you know, employers are falling over themselves
to get people. You might have walked down and there
might be something about the employee. In fact, I do
have a story on this. I went for back when
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my law days, when I was I've been between my
final year and my third and finally the third and
the fourth year of law, and you could go become
a summer clark at a law firm in Auckland, and
I actually did turn down the offer because I had
a few interviews. I won't say which law firm it was.
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I'm really tempted, but I won't anyway, but one of
the law firms the one I went to was well,
they did a pretty big job of making sure it
looked like we were going to have a good time there,
even though I was I wass wanting to get a
good legal experience. But then there was one where I
walked into the partner's office to have the interview and
there wasn't a piece of paper or anything that was
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out of place. It was just immaculate. And as I
sat down, he even lined his pin up with the
side of his pads so it was perpendicular and it
was just too clean, and it freaked me out, and
I thought, and it was I just thought, there's no
way I want to because it just there was a
level of pannickettiness and I thought if I was going
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to re report him to this guy, life would be
a hell. So there was that was an easy to
There's no way I was going to do it. And
so that was whereas he he might have thought, I'm
showing you how isn't it great to walk into a
nice clean office with no rubbish?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Absolutely, and I've experienced as well. Some of my colleagues
used to have a completely clean desk. And then I
remember the chief executive saying, listen, you guys, some of you,
I've got an office like a teenager. Now get in
there and tidy it up. Yeah, this is your mother speaking.
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It's funny on both sides of the ledger.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I remember when my mum had to have some surgery
and we met the surgeon and his office was immaculate,
and I remember thinking, this is exactly the quality I'm
looking for now. The guys on top of everything, but
it wasn't didn't feel nitt. I expected to see at
least a pile of papers somewhere, and this is before
computers were rolling the roost.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well I can recall. I think i'll name him because
it's almost a compliment. It was David Renkin at Auckland
City Council. He had immaculate desk always, and because he
made chief executive as well. But you wouldn't see anything
on his desk. It would look really, really smart and
you saw that purity of mind as well, you know,
because mind you, he was quite politically savvy as well,
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so he did pick his way on how to do things,
and he's still going by the way.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think the thing with that job interview for me
wasn't the fact it was so tidy. It was the
fact that the pen couldn't even be slightly slightly off angle.
It had to be at ninety degrees or just in fact,
I think I became quite fixated on why is he
really moving that pen to be parallel? Anyway?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Well, one of your colleagues, who's right up there in
this organization, brushes his cuff all the time, getting the
dust off it, really and I often thought, I've wondered
if his desk is absolutely immaculate. I don't know that's
the way to the ads of means.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I want to have, though, If you are an employer
or an employee, what other things, the little things that
can put you off working for someone, Because depending on
the job, of course, if you're working for some big company,
you're going to be just one of the faces among
the masses. It doesn't really matter what your bosses. Your
bosses like necessarily as long as they are fair, whereas
if it's a really close personal relationship, it does have
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you do you know what things turn employers off that
people wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Aware of, Max, Well, I just heard recently about the
manner of your way you dress. So some high ranking
person came through and the word to all the executives
where you've got to wear a suit. He does not
like anybody not wearing a suit. And so that's the
big word that went out in that organization. So yeah,
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there are pinicky type people. So one of the key
things I would say is try to mimic the manager
if you can, the person interviewing you, the way they sit,
the way they dress. Everything. You can do some research
before you get that interview, but try and mimic them.
Not not perfectly, because that would look pathetic. You know,
when they cross their legs, you cross your legs, but
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certainly you know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's actually I was just I couldn't cost you. I
couldn't help. But think of the politics thing. When Zelensky
was turning up at the White House, and because he
wears black and solidarity with the people who in combat
fatigs all the time, and he said, won't wear a suit,
until the war's over. But of course that probably that
was actually something that Trump noticed even remarked on it,
and you wonder whether he should have actually shoved on
the suit. But it's almost I mean, it's interpersonal relationships
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and skills and you want to win the other person over. Actually,
you can give us a call on this O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What are the little things?
Will the attention to detail that you make if you're
looking for a job or if you're an employer and
you're looking to hire someone, and clothing is a big
part of it. Forget the you know that the CV
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that has three different fonts in the right place. But
you may be if someone's got an overly floral they've
got stuck into Microsoft Word or whatever the Apple thing is,
and they've gone with a design font that's just too
floral and make you just look at it and go nuh,
don't even read it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, it depends on the job, though, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
So we want your cause as well. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. But also we have Max Max Whitehead
in here. He's an employment expert. If you've got any
questions about your gig or the person who's working for
you and that's their gig, then give us a call.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty text nine two nine
two twenty one past five News Talks Z'B News Talks
THEB with Tim Beveridge. Max Whitehead is my guest. He
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is from the white Head Group, employment relations expert. The things,
the little things that you can do wrong or right
that can get you on the right side. Actually what
I what are the basics what you would say to people?
And also, by the way, the CV is obviously we've
talked about cvs before on this show, but in fact
the role of AI, I would actually cynically speaking, I
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think AI, if you want it to do all your
work for you, is bad news. But if you've got
a CV and you've got all your experience, you've got
some paragraphs and what you want to say, and you
pop it to AI and just say tight of this
up for me and the job is it actually quite clevel.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It is, And because someone like me can go back
and critique it. And I use AI all the time,
but certainly I critique it all the time just because
it does have errors. But by goodness, it's getting good
it's really improving.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Which one? Which one have you used when you gpt out?
Is that the free or the paid version?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I put ten bucks a month? You list into it,
so yeah, I just to get a little bit better.
That's called paid, but the Chinese ones even cheap.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Is that free or paid?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I give it ten dollars a month. Yes, that's paid.
You are like and Christopher Luxan there you were saying, well,
it's not paid, but I do give it ten dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Isn't that what you get paid?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well a little on that, but well thank you for
eleven dollars anyway, right, let's take some calls. James Hello, Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
James.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Gre Tim MX. Hey. My question is I've got to
be careful how I would it just in case I
offend some people. But I'm a truck driver class five.
The companies just hired are a number of foreign drivers,
and they're asking us to train the new drivers. I've
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explained to my boss and saying that I don't feel
safe in the vehicle while I'm to train somebody new,
especially when English is there are second language, and he
basically says that you have to train them, you know,
And I'm a can.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They speak English? I mean can they the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah they can yeah, yep, they can't speak English.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
But so your question is that it should you be
forced to train them?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yes, that's the question.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You safe?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I don't feel safe, mate.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You don't they take the wheel? Is that where you
don't feel safe? Or are you you sitting in the
passenger seat.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I'm in the passenger's seat and they're behind the wheel.
You've got a sort of like teach them how to drive?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is that the only reason you don't like it? Is
it taking up your time? Are you being more productive
elsewhere or you could make more money doing something else?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh not at all.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's part of my job is being the truck driver.
But I just don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Are they're not going to understand you when you say break? Ah?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Not so much.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They must have their license of some sort. Anyway, Look,
the ployer, employer can actually give you instructions if it's reasonable.
And the answer to this is that you're possibly going
to have to suck it up because it's not unreasonable
for you to do a little bit of instruction if
you're asked to do it night and day, night and day,
and it's going on and on, maybe that is getting unreasonable.
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But if it's just every occasion.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Because because because, James, you could have just a bigger
problem with someone who's got perfect English but can't tell
left from right. I'd be more worried about those ones,
the ones who have to literally hold their film to
go that's left on that side.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, one hundred percent, I totally agree with you, But
just that I'm I don't feel comfortable behind well in
the truck with somebody well I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Know, text yourself, then, I would say, James, So what
you ought to do is then tell them that emailed
your boss saying look, I'm not feeling comfortable and if
there's a problem I don't want to be held accountable here.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Right. Yeah, yeah, you're put in your life and danger
as well, because it's something you know, there's a Class
five truck in you know you're cadding.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Well, as I say, it's like straddling a torpedo. You
know you've got to drive in the steer in the
right direction.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I wouldn't be I mean
I think you know, with people who've got English as
a second language, I think you've you've just got to
make sure you try and establish that communication before you
get in the in the truck and feel that everything's comfortable,
and then then you get to know each other a
bit and you establish that rapport and yeah, no, good
luck with that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Good luck with not easy to get a truck license
to him, I would say that they probably had to
be scrutinized pretty closely before that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, tough gig driving trucks, actually, but I actually must
be quite I've talked to quite a few truck he's
on overnight talk back and things. But some of the
rigs that they're driving, it's quite interesting the little higher
the rivalry.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Deep thinkers. Rivers really do some thinking when they're out there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh yeah, well you know you've got no. I love
my truck driver callers with some great characters and conversations. Yeah,
I R eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty By
the way, he I think my producer was saying, we
think that the previous caller was saying, they don't have
a license, but he having to train them before they
go for their lives. But I wonder, I think, well,
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I mean, they would have to have some form of
basic license of car license, wouldn't if you're going for
a truck license.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well, I tell you what your responsibility level. As he
would have I wouldn't let them behind the wheel unless
I was comfortable that they were safe and again could
understand signs and read street signs and things like that. Look,
I think then in that particular case, well then I
would be saying to the boss, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Hey, how important is it to dress right for your interview?
I mean i'd say that thinking it's actually vital, but carry.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
On, Yeah it is. But it depends on the job,
of course, depends on what sort of role you're going for.
If you're going for a farm farm hand job, well
then you can dress down in a more relaxed view
and the boss will like you for it. And I've
actually met a builder one time. He said, I judge
the candidates that come to me you want an apprenticeship even,
he said, if they're mouthy, he said, I don't want them.
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He said, I want someone who's quite quite achiever, doesn't
sit back and tell you how wonderful they are. They
would just say, oh, yeah, I've done that in silence.
He said, I would actually have more confidence and trust
than someone who goes man you should see what I've done.
I can do this and that, can I build a
house and then I build a high rise, and then
you know, just goes on. But what I'm saying is
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dress is important, and I think it is, but you've
got to do your homework first, particularly the industry.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Do employers that this is an interesting text I've got here,
But I'll ask a question first Instagram and social media profiles?
How often would employers be like, actually would are they
entitled to ask for your social media profile? First? And secondly,
because you know you might have a particular handle, especially
(20:54):
when it comes to Instagram. You know, even though my
name might be Tim Beverage or something, my Instagram might
be something a little mischievous. It's not, by the way's
pretty straight ahead. But somebody said here now, guys, as
an employer, people need to watch the social media and email.
Absolutely that they had a girl apply for a job
and her email was dirty little something at blah blah blah.
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Whoa so that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Sort of to turn them off? Well, yeah, possibly, it
depends on the job. But what I'm what I was
about to say is that is critical. I google every
one of my new clients before we start I would
say most employers would be a fool not to google them,
particularly the like I read cases all the time. But
so often the social media gets employees into trouble their
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own private social media. They might be bad mouthing the boss.
That's enough to get you fired because you're bringing in
the company into distribute. So you've really got to be
careful out there. So that text you got there before
is really right there. You've really got to get it
right otherwise you're going to be scrutinized. And so go
through your social media and pull it apart, take it
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out before you apply for job, because just there'll be
eyeballs watching it and looking through it, maybe wading into
the past as well.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, we'd like your cause on this as well. What
are the what are the things that the little things
you make sure you keep on top of, or if
you're an employer, what are the little things that can
just make you look at someone and go, look, it
was looking good up util the point that they mentioned
the war. That's a John Clea's reference. By the way,
you can give us a call eight hundred ten eight
on that. Let's just get back to that. You know
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we mentioned we just touched on chat GPT reviewing your CV,
I would also want worry. I guess that it would
give your CV a sameness because I mean, how much
does the AI preserve your individual.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I think that's our future. I actually think that the
whole world is going to be sameness, because that's what
the chat GPT and all the other AI really goes online,
finds that standard, it likes the highest standard, and goes
of it. Now, there will be a time in future
that most people will be using a AI to do everything,
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and the standard will be right at that high level
all the time, because that's where they get it from.
And by the way, computers are talking to computers, so
they are already coming to that high level of standard
right now. Where just the world is lifting up at
such a pace to that credentials, you'll find everyone CV
will be at the same format in the future.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Which makes it harder for employers, doesn't it, because in fact,
they could probably run a CV they just upload it
to chat gpten say check this has this been generated
by AI? And an AI would might be saying, well,
these certain phrases are found quite commonly, and we think
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there's a certain percentage of it being AI, that's probably
I'm guessing that's all well.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That is Look if you think about that as well,
if there's a high standard put into it, what is
that standard?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
If somebody comes up like Tim Beverige comes up with
for unique CB which stands out like nothing, that'll be
the new standard. But I would suggest that's going to
be the goal for everybody is probably to try and
find something a little bit better than chet GPT or
any other AI has actually got their hands on.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Right, We're going to take a moment and love your cause.
If you would like to give us a call you
got any questions for Max white Head is from the
white Head Group. I waight one hundred and eighty ten
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Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yes, Newstalk set B. This is a smart money. We're
talking with Max Whitehead, employment relations expert. And of course
there's there how many songs Max have working Man? If
I was going to do a country album, and I
wanted to make it as obvious as possible. I'm sure
i'd have a song about being working man or something.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Well, I think it really works. But I recall when
the working Classman came out way back into the working Yeah,
well that really got to the top of the pops everywhere,
and it really was a Chris song.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I think, probably more for justocals and the run them
and everything, and then maybe the lyrics as well.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Only puts some grunt in it, doesn't he gives it
these everything?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh yeah, gosh, yes, god, you can't, you can't.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Jimmy, Jimmy Barnes. They had him dancing, Is it him? Yeah?
They had him dancing in front of the fires, you
know they burn off the sugarcane.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh no, no, was that him? I know, I know
the video probably yeah, it just looked rugged.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It just looked rugged and dramatic.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
We want your calls, by the way, you welcome to
Often we find with these hours when we've got Max
and suddenly about everyone and when it's about five minutes
to go to size, I'm going to call. So if
you want to give us a call, and you've got
any questions for Max, Whitehead. I did call you white Head,
and't I didn't use.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That, you didn't use the other one.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
For a longiss the old MP for Tatawary years ago.
I'm not going to plant the seed in my brain.
But if you want to get some advice from Max Whitehead,
we're talking. We're having a chat about the things you
can do right or wrong to blow, to blow your
chance with an employer or or otherwise just to maybe
get you across the line. Because there are some things
where you can meet someone and you bump you about
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fifty to fifty, and there's a couple of simple things
they say, and you go, oh my goodness, this is
the this is the man or the woman for the job.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You can you can and also you can actually spoil it.
Your chances are getting a job, So you've got to
play it just right.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Don't swear. Probably, don't swear, even if the boss is
swearing and cursing. Probably.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Attitude's a big one, it really is. You've got to
have a really good attitude. Make sure your time keeping
is good. Make sure that you're not overly sensitive about
all sorts of issues and critical of things. Make sure
you don't use reckless language and crude comments, those things.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, how would you deal with a situation where you
have left your previous job because your boss was awful
and of course, bagging someone never looks good. But your
new employers wants to know why did you leave? And
you don't want to be You don't want to fab
(27:39):
because that's not good either. You don't want to drag
someone under the bus, even though you might want to say, well,
the reason I left was because my boss is a psychopath.
But how do you handle those questions? Because that must
be common?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It is, and that's something It's a good question because
that's something you should prepare yourself for. It's going to
be asked, and the way to handle it would be
to go, look, I've spent enough years there in time there,
I've decided that perhaps, you know, my nolly, I was
getting more mature and I felt that it was time
for me to move on.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You're the employer E and I'm hiring you, and I say, well,
why haven't you listed your previous boss as a reference?
How are you going to answer that? Because that tells
you there's more to that story.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, well, you might say you might be I'd say
you're going to be honest with the with the employer
and saying, well, we didn't see idee about everything, and
from time to time we did have some concerns. But
that's not going to help you get the job. So
you need to be a little bit tactful on how
you do that. You might say, one circumstance, him and
I or her and I came to disagreement on some
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things and I thought, Max, why not stop your moaning
just you know, use your feet from this one and
move on. And so I did that out of due
respect for them, and I didn't want to impose my
views on them. So that shows you're quite a reasonable
chappi or chap it.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So no matter what the wrong is, you have to
park some of it. Even if say your bosses ripped
you off on your wages or something. I mean, what
if it's something like that I got screwed over the wages,
the boss got prosecuted or something. I don't know, is
there a point where you actually would go, well, actually,
you probably go, look, you might want to look that
one up in the newspaper back.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well, even your new boss won't be too impressed if
you just let that go if you've got to push back,
and you should be able to fight for yourself because
this sort the boss will want you to do a
good boss anyway, Some wouldn't. They probably prefer you just
to fold over and accept what it's been done to you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
A texts says, by the way, and the train driver thinks,
I wouldn't. I would not train truck drivers. I'd resign
and work for someone else. If the training recks the
truck them, what then well that's you know, if you
don't want to train truck drivers, then you don't accept
that job. But if you are training them, I think
we're missing the point there. It's about and if you
sign up to train people, I think you generally have
to train people, don't you. Okay, let's well this is
(29:54):
an interesting one. Actually, just I'm based on that conversation.
Let's go to Jonathan get eight.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Hey, Jonathan, Hi, I just have.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
A question in terms of when you're moving to a
new role and you asked for into and all that
kind of stuff. You've got to be honest, right, So
in your interview phase when you when you have your
interview and you go and you tell them an information
as an employer, you're looking for an on this person
and all those organization is being true to your new
employer that things can work out, and you're a bad manager.
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Why is that looked as as negative? You know when
you have a bad manager, you know, people don't I do.
Why Why is that looked as a negative?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Why isn't that looked as a positive? Because that person
is being honest and being upfront to you. Yeah, and
you can work out.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Let me tell you why because the lay Look, I've
been around a long time and a long long time,
so what I'm trying to say to you is in
the past you've been critical would be accepted, but today
people only want to look at the positive side of life.
If you can introduce that you're looking at the positive
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side of your employment all the time, I think it
stands better. And you're steed, but you're so right where
you started from, and that's to be honest, and I
think you should be. But if you can avoid the negativity,
I think it's going to go down a lot better
for you. Because if you go in the boss say look,
I hated the last employer. They just really upset me.
I couldn't stand being there. I just really the first
(31:22):
thing the person's going to be thinking interviewing you is going, well,
you're going to hate it here? Are you the same way?
I'm probably will you seem to have that tendency about you?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yeah, but that's just one job, right, doesn't mean your
other references are going to be bad. You know, if
you had a bad experience. Everybody has some sort of
a boss that's really bad that they've gone through, but
all honesty eve in New Zealand. You've got to be
honest with each other. That's what they expect. And if
honesty is going to be taken as a back lace
towards you, then you're forcing people to not be honest.
You're forcing people to be dishonest. You get what I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think you say it as
it is. If you've only been there five minutes, then
you say, look, I just couldn't get on with the boss.
I mean, you say you're only there a month and say,
look I just really couldn't find my way on that organation.
That was not a good fit. And me and the
boss we actually had some words and I just really
didn't want to sit there any long because it was
no good for them and he's no good for me.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, hey, thanks to Jonathan. I think there is something
about that. Even no matter how acrimonious your previous job
ended up, you just have to really try and suck
it up and have a bit of dignity. Even if
you are going to say, look, there were some problems
at the last place, but I'd rather not go into
them because I thought it was just best to leave.
And if you know what I mean, there's got to
be a way of saying it in a way that
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because if you just look like you want to score
some points.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Either a real you know, yeah, yeah, and it's a
real situation. I've got a Chinese friend of mine and
then he said to me that his friends, he's got
a boss who yells at them, at her all the time,
yelling at them. And I said, well, don't tolerate it.
You first off, notify them that you don't like that
be spoken like that. And the second if it occurs again,
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well it's time to go.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Actually, where is raising your voice? I mean you can
and some fairly. I mean, radio is a pretty dramatic environment.
People can get a bit hot and about things, but
what are the general vibes around, I guess bosses and
raising your voice is that sort of fairly a bit
of a no.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No, It is a bit of a no not, so
you shouldn't do that. And I've seen cases lost on that,
you know, personal grievances. So I mean I saw Trump
raising his voice when Velinsky said, look at the advances
yelling at me and Trump City is not and then
suddenly coming volume. So what I'm saying to you, though,
(33:41):
is what the employee's responsibility is to say to the boss, Hey,
I don't like you doing this, And if we can
communicate some more civil way or some manner upon which
it doesn't require yelling at me, I'd be much more
inclined to be listening.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, here's one from Kate. I'm not on social media
at all? Would that impair opportunities for employment the prospective boss?
Would they expect to be able to ferret in my
social life via social media?
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I'd say, if you're not on social media, I think
it's it's a bonus for you. They can't find out
much more about you.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So, but would there be employees are thinking this is weird?
She isn't even a social media profile?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Is ye, a hermit or Oh, there's a lot of
people out there like that a lot, and they just
don't have any profile littly don't want to be recognized
online at all. They've got a real anti it. But
I don't think you can judge an individual on that,
and I don't think a employer would. I think what
they're looking for is the attributes that they see in
front of them. Yeah, it's disappointing for an employe because
you do see another side of somebody at times, but
(34:44):
let them be disappointed.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Actually, by the way, just on a funny point there,
somebody said it was Peter Garrett from Midnight All and
standing in front of the burning sugar cane.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Was a petty Garrett.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently it was. I'm going to have
to go it's burning, burning far with gasoline. I don't know,
but it was a great image. I do remember. I
just don't remember the guys in front, but yeah, Midnight
or reason home to google this. If you knew your
employment agreement, you would agree to come under a collective agreement.
Can your employer add extra rules like an extra code
(35:15):
in a school environment?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yes, they can, I mean they can, and when you've
got rules. They can introduce more rules, provided they're reasonable.
So if the if the boss introduces a rule into
the workplace you don't find reasonable, you can contest it,
and you should.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What are examples of rules that someone might introduce that
would be objectionable? Anything that comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Oh, you're not at a park within a park, your
vehicle within a kilometer of the workplace, or something like that,
because maybe the customers come before you. That's unreasonable. I
would think a kilometer if your highs would be fine.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
But if they said no parking directly outside.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, and I'm just working off the cuff here, but certainly,
you know you've got to be in the office. Some
people will really find this obnoxious. You've got to be
in the office three times a week now or be
in the office all the time?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Where are you on that? Do you just advise people?
I guess you don't have an opinion because you'll be
working for both sides of the employees. Well, get your
butt into the office, and you'll be talking to employees
who are like, I don't get my button into the office.
I work well at home.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I revert back to the law every time. So you
look at the employment agreement. The employment agreement says there's
a specified address because every employment does work to be undertaken,
then that's what you're going to go by. If it
says you can work from home, well that's you because
nobody can change your employment agreement on their own. They
have to have both parties.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Okay, a couple more texts here, Hello, gents, what gets
my goat? And this is probably one for me as well.
It's too many spelling mistakes in the CV. I can
manage one or two basic grammatical eras fancy fonts and
if it's too long. A lot of teachers are shockingly
detailed unfocused. Too bad if they're on't enough to choose
from right now? Oh, this sounds like a principle here
it does, and ah in the interview this is a
(37:01):
great one. I wish somebody mentioned this in an interview.
A damp, sloppy handshake is almost a killer. And I
actually reckon the art of the handshake. I don't know
what would put me off, but and we do apply
we'd probably apply a different standard to men and women.
But there is the handshakes, interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Oh? Yeah, my father used to give me lectures about handshake.
It's very important, he said.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
If something you know those people who grab your hand
and turn it over so there's is on top. I'm out.
I'm just like you're a dack.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah you are, because you're trying to say I'm I'm overparent.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I find that the most pathetic gesture of all. If
I know someone does that, I tend to I'll go
in and I'll keep my hand up. I don't even
try it, buddy.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But a soppy handshake does not go down well. But
because people are nervous at interviews and they may do.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Sweaty palms, you can't. Yeah, that's it's more the style
of it's just like holding a dead fish. Then you
know that probably doesn't. It doesn't anyway. It's depending on
the job of.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I met a new one of my new bosses. This
is I've just been writing my memoirs actually, and so
I met this new boss and I put my hand
out to shake it, and you just ignored it. That
all that I find most obnoxious. It's like when somebody
won't even answer you when you talk to them. Oh,
actually that I hate that as well.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Actually I do. I do love that one about the handshake.
I'm glad someone brought that up because it's just but
it is obvious when you finally meet them. In fact,
that's the thing about I'm not sure I'd like the
Zoom interview so much because you like to see people.
It's like this show I love people in the studio.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I mean, Zoom is fine, you know, Tim, I reckon
the handshake is going to go. I think it's going
to disappear in time to come see. If you touch
someone's shoulder, you could be up for all sorts of problems.
First pump, first pump, terrible, terrible, Okay, I'm right into it,
but I mean, a good friend, why not.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay, we'll be back in a moment to say goodbye.
It is seven and a half hour time, already seven
and a half and it's to six. Yes, and that
is actually the answer to our question. It wasn't, in
fact as my text said. It wasn't Actually, it wasn't
Peter Garrett. It was in fact as Max had said.
I've checked the video and if you text on this
(39:17):
was definitely Jimmy Barnes on the cover of Working Class.
It was working class Man and standing in in the front.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Of the remember invidly. That's why it was a bit
skeptical when the other one said it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, you know, I love the fact that people are
passion abating these things right, but someone's going to get
it wrong, and it wasn't you this time.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Max.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
If you want Max to get it right for you
and your employment situation, and go to look up for
the look for the Whitehead Group or Max Max Whitehead
Employment and away you go. You'll be You'll be in
touch with them, and I'll thank you for your company,
Thank you so much. Sunday Out six is next. If
you've missed any of the previous hours, then you can
go and check them out on where the webcast your
(39:51):
podcast should I say news Talk said be and I
look for to your company same time next weekend. Have
a great evening, catch you soon.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
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