October 29, 2024 • 19 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday 30th October 2024, former All Black Wayne 'Buck' Shelford talks about England prop Joe Marler calling the haka 'ridiculous' and wanting it banned.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on what sport is missing from our TVs.
Plus, NZ Herald chief sports writer Liam Napier joins the panel to discuss the NBL's latest addition.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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This is Sportsfix Howard by News Talks head Be Why
Hello there, Welcome on and to the Sports Fix, your
daily dose of all good things sport from home and abroad.
(00:29):
My name is Darcy Waldgrave. I've got you for the
next door fifteen twenty minutes or so as we take
a look at the big sports stories of the day.
We're going to kick things off with one of the
legends of rugby and l tiro. His name is Wayne.
His name is Buckhead. Sir Wayne Shelford, as regular as
clockwork and Englishman has climbed in again to have a
(00:50):
go at the Harker rent free in your head, Joe Marlow,
what is going on with this? The man who basically
reinvigorated the hark back in nineteen eighty seven. Buck Shelford
joins us to talk about that. Next. I got some
opinion on what I missed the most in televised sport
in this age, something that I go back to my
(01:11):
healthy in days of youth watching. Talk more about that
with an opinion piece of a lut and punch you
in the face. And then we are joined on Alena
in the chamber by Rugby Direct co host and New
Zealand Herald Sports, but more specifically rugby writer Liam Napier,
as we take a look at the big sports stories
of the day. That's what we've got planned for you.
(01:33):
Thirtieth of October twenty twenty four. This is your sports fix.
Let's get into it in other news time now for
quickly listening to some sports people, some sports administrated, some
sports alstot. The White Ferns are encouraged despite losing their
(01:54):
One Day cricket series at two to one way to India.
New Zealand word beat by six wickets. In that third match,
the hosts chased down the two hundred and thirty three
with thirty four balls. Despare bat Susie Bates says, are
we better for the experience?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We know how good we can there when we play
like we did in game two and just got to
do that more consistently.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Reports of rugby's eminent demise might be exaggerated. The governing
body claims player registrations were up six percent this season.
Steve Lancaster, he's in on rugby's general manager of the
community Game says one bracket stood out pleasingly.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
We've seen just over five ten increasing teenage boys, which
is an area that is often called out as a
declining area fortilation, but we're also seeing club growth across
the spectrum as well.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
A new addition awaits New Zealand's domestic basketball leagues. The
Indian Panthers, will join the men's NBL and the women's
TOEHI competitions. Based in South Auckland, the franchises will feature
leading players from India along with locals and overseas imports.
Team owner Paving Batis has been running amateur leagues in
(03:04):
the country since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The conversation progress up being on the phone for about
an hour and discussing the opportunity, and relatively quickly from
there we got to a situation where we signed us
and signed the contract a few weeks back.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports VIX. We're joined
now on the program by Buck Shelford, or Sir Wayne Shelford,
as is otherwise known Buck. Welcome to the program. I
trust you well well to you as well. Great to
have you on. But here we go again. Joe Marler
(03:40):
fanning the flames if you will, suggesting that the harker
the pre match tradition is ridiculous and it needs to
be been. You can almost set your watts to it,
couldn't it. The complaints coming out of the Northern Hemisphere.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, well you know if he thinks that that it's
ridiculous that we're doing haka, well it's got a ridiculous
study eco for his age too. You know, what do
you suggested?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What do they do? Because this is something that's becoming
more and more prevalentobally in Rugby. I mean you look
at the cippy town, the city town, the Timby in
the quarter country.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
We've got cultures, We've got cultures down in Polynesia, Pacific Island,
all the Pacific Island's got their own culture and basically
we should you know, explore it, which we have for
the last hundred years we've used it and basically why
should we take it away?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
What's the reaction like globally in your experience and they're
not home because we know how much we love it here,
but that overseas is that embrace and accept it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yes, I believe it is over in Japan, America, Canada,
they love it. They love it because you know, they're
not competitive competitives with us at the moment, you know,
but down the line, in you know, twenty thirty years,
they might be. They love it. I think it's only
the Home Aations that don't tend to enjoy it. You know,
the world give us a bit of gip on it,
(04:58):
you know, the Irish as well. You know, the Home
Nations give us that gyp. But everywhere around the rest
of the world they love it. You know that's because
they that we're showing the part of our culture.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Part of the fallback from people. So well, no one
else really gets to do it. Why do you get
this advantage that's patently unfair. So besides, the haircuts.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Come on at the end of the day. It's not actually,
it's not something that actually unless you look at the negative, Robert,
they're looking at a negative and saying, oh, they getting
an extra bit of advantage by doing it. We get
no advantage. Whatsoe if you haven't done your homework on
the orblecks, don't say anything, and that's your problem. Don't
use that as an excuse for you losing all the
time to our team and something is you know, we're
(05:43):
as good as you. Guys, are as good as us
on your day, and you can beat us at any time.
It's not about the hocker. It's about how you play rugby,
So just get on and play rugby. Leave the other
stuff alone. And basically we're there to show part of
New Zealand off, which is that our hacker and all
of our teams have it. All the Polynesian teams have
it as well. So I think that it's brilliant. It's
(06:03):
a great add on to to the whole ceremony of
when you do basically hear your national anthems, it's just
to follow on from there. And so you know, we've
only just comeing to you know that had a twenty
years twenty thirty years now we've been doing the national
anthem and they don't say anything about that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well you mean as in the todaial version of a
national anthem.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, initially back in the day, the young lady who'd
done it day basically she's reprimanded for it. And this
is from our own country and so he is. We've
got to get with it. You know, we're actually here,
we're never going to leave this place, and this is
part of our culture. If you don't like it, go
back to where you come from.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Buckshelf for joining the program. But I'm sure that he's
not doing his teammates any favor by coming out and
saying this. I don't think it helps their cause at all.
Does it give more strength to the arm of the
New Zealanders when someone openly criticized es something like.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
This, No, I don't think so. Our guys are over it.
You know that you get you know, you get criticized
in the year if somebody size of it. And the
thing is, but what do you think we get out
of it? It's just it's just the hakker. We don't
get any advantage from it. I tell you, it's actually
how the team played on the days. That's all the
advantage we can get about it. Think about is playing
the game on football as hard as fast as we can,
(07:24):
and some team's going to one team's going to come
out in the winter a draw or lost. So you know,
we're just going to get on with what makes us stick.
And it's because we love the game of rugby. And
we introduced that haker into the or Blacks many many
years ago and before he was born so at the
end of the day, unless you know our culture, you
shouldn't be talking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And but look, let's talk about it. It's well known
that when you turned up to the All Blacks and
took over the captain saying that unbeaten perrye Wan through
in the late eighties, that you revitalized the Harker. It
was getting butchered, and you thought, this is something that's
really important not only to Marty but to New Zealand
as well. We've got to change it, we've got to
(08:06):
give it some credibility. Did you ever think that it
had caused this much trouble, like thirty forty years later.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Well, I don't think it's trouble. I think it's it's
a part of our part of our history, and part
of our culture. New Zealand's culture is our Maori culture.
You know, all the other people come from overseas, but
our culture here in New Zealand is Maori. And so
thing is we're going to live with that, you know.
That's that's our history of this country going back you know,
seven eight hundred years, and so you know, at the
(08:36):
end of the day, we're blended together pretty well over
the years and you know, we're working together in a
lot of things, and at the end of the day,
it's only a game of sport that we're playing, and
so we're adding a bit of cultural sincerity towards it
on both sides, and which is basically our national anthems.
We do it in two languages, South America does it
(08:57):
in three languages, and things like that. So at the
end of the day, what are you moaning about. You know,
we actually get on with the game and that's the
most important thing.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And on that note, we'll let you go at Shelford Bucks, Shelford.
Always a joy speaking to you, my friend. You look
after yourself, all of it.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
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Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know what's a bit stink. I'll tell you what's
a bit stink. The lack of domestic cricket on television,
on pay TV, on free to air TV. I don't care. Look,
I'm getting on I'm fifty five now. But the memories
I have of watching what was then the Shell Trophy
and the Shell Cup on the TV when I was
(09:44):
a young fella built my love of the game of cricket.
It was a wonderful, constant product. And let's not forget
what we heard on the radio two with Sports Roundup,
but there was something around sitting with my mates and
watching my Canterbury team doing well in the Cup and
the trophy. It felt relevant. It felt now, it felt
(10:07):
like something I would aspire to and that I would
play for. We mimicked our rock stars and we're playing
out in the backyard. And even then some when we
started playing in schoolboy cricket and on toward club cricket.
It's really sad that we don't see this anymore. Look,
I get it, it's expensive, it's not cheap to cover
(10:28):
and in some places like Sky, like TV and Z
do you understand why they just won't go there because
I expect it. It's not a ratings dominated sport. Yeah
they've got it online. Yeah you can watch it on YouTube,
but it's just not the same. It's flicking the TV on,
listen to the commentators, getting the scoreboard and getting right
(10:48):
engaged with what was a hero and that was domestic
cricket here in New Zealand. I doubt it'll ever come
back on the TV, but I'll tell you what if
it does. I'm in one hundred percent. Go on, make
it happen.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax's.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Been joined by Liam Napier. He's a writer for New
Zealand here when it comes to sport, and of course
co hosts as well of the Rugby Direct podcast. Great
do you have you in the chamber, mister Napier? I
trust you all. Well.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Great to see dus, Great to be here.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm sorry that we had to start things off with rugby,
but you know you are rugby dude, and I'm sure
we've got an opinion on this. You can almost saying
to Buck Shelford, you'd almost set your watch to this,
couldn't you some Englishman or Welshman or something complaining about
the hakka. It's almost beyond a joke. Do not realize
how stupid they sound.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's a rugby bingo card does every time the All
Blacks go to Twickenham, we're talking about the hacker. And
for that reason, it's a story that puts me to
sleep or makes me yawn or you know, flick the
leg over and not want anything to do with it
because it is a very very tired narrative and the
(12:06):
frustration for me is if you don't understand the cultural significance,
don't comment on.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It, living rent free. And someone said him and this
is a classic case of anything this must torment the
likes of Joe Mahler and everyone else that complaints if
they wake up in a cold sweat and le go
not they coma there hager. It's all like carbo or pungla.
What are we going to do? That's what it says
to me. It says fear, and it says in your
head already, never do any We're not even there yet.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's it. And look, the hucker is part of the
theater of rugby, of sports. And if you think back
to the twenty nineteen World Cup semi final that England
won and they've formed the the V shaped formation that's
set the scene for that English team to have their triumph.
And we've seen countless examples of that. It's a very
(12:56):
integral fabric of the All Blacks stories throughout the years
of the All Blacks having to do the Houcker and
the changing rooms in Cardiff. So look for me. Joe
Marler is not involved and this English team, he's searching
for relevance, searching for to keep his name out there.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Clickbait, clickbait, look.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
At me, hear me? And he since deleted the tweets,
so he clearly didn't like.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think he's deleted his whole account, isn't he. That's it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He didn't like the feedback. So, and that's what happens
when you when you have spoken views in this world.
And you'd know that as much as anyone. We all
know about feedback, don't we. But yeah, I can't get
on board with it. And it's a very very tired narrative.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now. It doesn't almost feel bad bringing it up, but
you know it's there to talk about. So yeah, kind
of well and see and going on about the Thinby
or Sipitaw or the City Tower. I mean, it's not
just New Zealand, right, is it? Because they're not Tier
one nations.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, look, put it this way. Should we talk about
Swing Low Sweet Chariot and the origins of that and
how that should be outlawed?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
We could talk all day. There's plenty more as well,
but we just, like part get in the corner and go, yeah, Joe,
you need a new line, you really do. Let's go
to the actual teams itself and that this is the
interesting thing, Like the All Black side is not out yet,
but we know what the English are doing. Marcus Smith.
This guy's a threat.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right, He's a real talent and a very attacking minded
verse five who has come through the ranks in England
and I won't go as far as say change the
game in England, but has reshaped their mindset because they
had a guy like Owen Farrell who was very good
(14:44):
at what he brought to the game, good defensively, great kicker,
good goalkicker. But Marcus Smith brings that ear of unpredictability.
He's got great feet, he's small, he's fast, got very
good vision. So he brings a very different dynamic to
the English game. And we have seen this English team
evolve in recent times and play more rugby and he's
(15:04):
a big part of that.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Well, you said unpredictability, and I think there's a key thing.
Then when you've got a pivot and you're not quite
sure what he's going to do, and you know he
has the skills and the talent to gas you on
the outside, will steep you on the inside, that adds
a bit of flavor to then of course he can
pick off a couple of us very talented wings too
with a deft kick. So it does add an extra
layer to the proceedings and I think we should be
(15:26):
excited by this.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We should. I wouldn't go as far as say this
is a revolution though, because I think we know how
Engler and are going to play. They've named a six
to two bench with six forwards, so the nuts and
bolts of their game are still there. They're still going
to be a set piece orientated, They're still going to
kick a lot, but with Marcus there it does bring
(15:49):
a different dimension. Georgia Ford's on the bench, so very
experienced head, steady hands. A bit of an insurance policy
if things are not going well Marcus Smith and Dunedin
first test for Razor Robinson missed a couple of kicks
off the tee and if he slotted those England would
have won. That was a one point victory for the
All Blacks. So a bit of an insurance policy in
(16:10):
George Ford. But from the outset the All Blacks will
have to be on defensively because of Marcus Smith goes
he can break you open.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
If you want to read more about that, Liam was
all over New Zealand here more of us theories, more
of his ideas climb on board Indyhill dot co dot
ind It's finishing things off with a interesting tale of
Indian basketball. We had hands of this earlier in the peace,
but this has almost come out of nowhere, the fact
that there's suddenly going to be an Indian men's and
(16:40):
an Indian women's team playing in the Sales NBL. What
was instinctive Field when you read that?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What a I remember reading about it a good month
ago and thinking and now that it's coming to fruition.
That's one of the more bizarre stories in New Zealand
sport at the moment. And we've got a lot of
success happening, but this is incredibly intriguing. Why is the question?
Is it about money? Because I did a bit of
(17:06):
reading around the Stars and the Indian Basketball League. It
only really lasted for one year of five on five.
They had a bit of three on three. Then there
was an apparent falling out with the national body and
now there's a bit of legal dispute in the background.
So where is the interest for the New Zealand basketball
public in bringing in an Indian franchise. It doesn't make
(17:29):
a lot of sense on the surface, does it?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, if you're being cynical, you'd say this could be
a cash grab because there's one point four billion bodies
living in India, half of them are under twenty five.
Basketball is a global game, so maybe it's just like
can we tap into this? But i'll tell you what.
It's bringing some interest to sales NBL next season, some
more another level, how far from now? What next?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, that's it and do you risk not killing the
Golden goose? But basketball's having a massive boom in New Zealand,
isn't it? And the NBA is a great example of that.
How much interest is he going to be from, you know,
the nuky public to go along and watch an Indian
team compared to playing one or two. I'm not sure.
Let's see how it plays out, but it's certainly intriguing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, it is the one out of a boxing on
that limb. A Napier sports writer, Rugby specialist, Rugby Direct
podcast co host, Thanks for coming in to the studio.
Great to have you on board.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Great said does.
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Hello there, Welcome on and to the Sports Fix, your
daily dose of all good things sport from home and abroad.
(00:29):
My name is Darcy Waldgrave. I've got you for the
next door fifteen twenty minutes or so as we take
a look at the big sports stories of the day.
We're going to kick things off with one of the
legends of rugby and l tiro. His name is Wayne.
His name is Buckhead. Sir Wayne Shelford, as regular as
clockwork and Englishman has climbed in again to have a
(00:50):
go at the Harker rent free in your head, Joe Marlow,
what is going on with this? The man who basically
reinvigorated the hark back in nineteen eighty seven. Buck Shelford
joins us to talk about that. Next. I got some
opinion on what I missed the most in televised sport
in this age, something that I go back to my
(01:11):
healthy in days of youth watching. Talk more about that
with an opinion piece of a lut and punch you
in the face. And then we are joined on Alena
in the chamber by Rugby Direct co host and New
Zealand Herald Sports, but more specifically rugby writer Liam Napier,
as we take a look at the big sports stories
of the day. That's what we've got planned for you.
(01:33):
Thirtieth of October twenty twenty four. This is your sports fix.
Let's get into it in other news time now for
quickly listening to some sports people, some sports administrated, some
sports alstot. The White Ferns are encouraged despite losing their
(01:54):
One Day cricket series at two to one way to India.
New Zealand word beat by six wickets. In that third match,
the hosts chased down the two hundred and thirty three
with thirty four balls. Despare bat Susie Bates says, are
we better for the experience?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We know how good we can there when we play
like we did in game two and just got to
do that more consistently.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Reports of rugby's eminent demise might be exaggerated. The governing
body claims player registrations were up six percent this season.
Steve Lancaster, he's in on rugby's general manager of the
community Game says one bracket stood out pleasingly.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
We've seen just over five ten increasing teenage boys, which
is an area that is often called out as a
declining area fortilation, but we're also seeing club growth across
the spectrum as well.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
A new addition awaits New Zealand's domestic basketball leagues. The
Indian Panthers, will join the men's NBL and the women's
TOEHI competitions. Based in South Auckland, the franchises will feature
leading players from India along with locals and overseas imports.
Team owner Paving Batis has been running amateur leagues in
(03:04):
the country since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
The conversation progress up being on the phone for about
an hour and discussing the opportunity, and relatively quickly from
there we got to a situation where we signed us
and signed the contract a few weeks back.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports VIX. We're joined
now on the program by Buck Shelford, or Sir Wayne Shelford,
as is otherwise known Buck. Welcome to the program. I
trust you well well to you as well. Great to
have you on. But here we go again. Joe Marler
(03:40):
fanning the flames if you will, suggesting that the harker
the pre match tradition is ridiculous and it needs to
be been. You can almost set your watts to it,
couldn't it. The complaints coming out of the Northern Hemisphere.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, well you know if he thinks that that it's
ridiculous that we're doing haka, well it's got a ridiculous
study eco for his age too. You know, what do
you suggested?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What do they do? Because this is something that's becoming
more and more prevalentobally in Rugby. I mean you look
at the cippy town, the city town, the Timby in
the quarter country.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
We've got cultures, We've got cultures down in Polynesia, Pacific Island,
all the Pacific Island's got their own culture and basically
we should you know, explore it, which we have for
the last hundred years we've used it and basically why
should we take it away?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
What's the reaction like globally in your experience and they're
not home because we know how much we love it here,
but that overseas is that embrace and accept it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yes, I believe it is over in Japan, America, Canada,
they love it. They love it because you know, they're
not competitive competitives with us at the moment, you know,
but down the line, in you know, twenty thirty years,
they might be. They love it. I think it's only
the Home Aations that don't tend to enjoy it. You know,
the world give us a bit of gip on it,
(04:58):
you know, the Irish as well. You know, the Home
Nations give us that gyp. But everywhere around the rest
of the world they love it. You know that's because
they that we're showing the part of our culture.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Part of the fallback from people. So well, no one
else really gets to do it. Why do you get
this advantage that's patently unfair. So besides, the haircuts.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Come on at the end of the day. It's not actually,
it's not something that actually unless you look at the negative, Robert,
they're looking at a negative and saying, oh, they getting
an extra bit of advantage by doing it. We get
no advantage. Whatsoe if you haven't done your homework on
the orblecks, don't say anything, and that's your problem. Don't
use that as an excuse for you losing all the
time to our team and something is you know, we're
(05:43):
as good as you. Guys, are as good as us
on your day, and you can beat us at any time.
It's not about the hocker. It's about how you play rugby,
So just get on and play rugby. Leave the other
stuff alone. And basically we're there to show part of
New Zealand off, which is that our hacker and all
of our teams have it. All the Polynesian teams have
it as well. So I think that it's brilliant. It's
(06:03):
a great add on to to the whole ceremony of
when you do basically hear your national anthems, it's just
to follow on from there. And so you know, we've
only just comeing to you know that had a twenty
years twenty thirty years now we've been doing the national
anthem and they don't say anything about that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well you mean as in the todaial version of a
national anthem.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, initially back in the day, the young lady who'd
done it day basically she's reprimanded for it. And this
is from our own country and so he is. We've
got to get with it. You know, we're actually here,
we're never going to leave this place, and this is
part of our culture. If you don't like it, go
back to where you come from.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Buckshelf for joining the program. But I'm sure that he's
not doing his teammates any favor by coming out and
saying this. I don't think it helps their cause at all.
Does it give more strength to the arm of the
New Zealanders when someone openly criticized es something like.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
This, No, I don't think so. Our guys are over it.
You know that you get you know, you get criticized
in the year if somebody size of it. And the
thing is, but what do you think we get out
of it? It's just it's just the hakker. We don't
get any advantage from it. I tell you, it's actually
how the team played on the days. That's all the
advantage we can get about it. Think about is playing
the game on football as hard as fast as we can,
(07:24):
and some team's going to one team's going to come
out in the winter a draw or lost. So you know,
we're just going to get on with what makes us stick.
And it's because we love the game of rugby. And
we introduced that haker into the or Blacks many many
years ago and before he was born so at the
end of the day, unless you know our culture, you
shouldn't be talking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And but look, let's talk about it. It's well known
that when you turned up to the All Blacks and
took over the captain saying that unbeaten perrye Wan through
in the late eighties, that you revitalized the Harker. It
was getting butchered, and you thought, this is something that's
really important not only to Marty but to New Zealand
as well. We've got to change it, we've got to
(08:06):
give it some credibility. Did you ever think that it
had caused this much trouble, like thirty forty years later.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Well, I don't think it's trouble. I think it's it's
a part of our part of our history, and part
of our culture. New Zealand's culture is our Maori culture.
You know, all the other people come from overseas, but
our culture here in New Zealand is Maori. And so
thing is we're going to live with that, you know.
That's that's our history of this country going back you know,
seven eight hundred years, and so you know, at the
(08:36):
end of the day, we're blended together pretty well over
the years and you know, we're working together in a
lot of things, and at the end of the day,
it's only a game of sport that we're playing, and
so we're adding a bit of cultural sincerity towards it
on both sides, and which is basically our national anthems.
We do it in two languages, South America does it
(08:57):
in three languages, and things like that. So at the
end of the day, what are you moaning about. You know,
we actually get on with the game and that's the
most important thing.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And on that note, we'll let you go at Shelford Bucks, Shelford.
Always a joy speaking to you, my friend. You look
after yourself, all of it.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
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Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know what's a bit stink. I'll tell you what's
a bit stink. The lack of domestic cricket on television,
on pay TV, on free to air TV. I don't care. Look,
I'm getting on I'm fifty five now. But the memories
I have of watching what was then the Shell Trophy
and the Shell Cup on the TV when I was
(09:44):
a young fella built my love of the game of cricket.
It was a wonderful, constant product. And let's not forget
what we heard on the radio two with Sports Roundup,
but there was something around sitting with my mates and
watching my Canterbury team doing well in the Cup and
the trophy. It felt relevant. It felt now, it felt
(10:07):
like something I would aspire to and that I would
play for. We mimicked our rock stars and we're playing
out in the backyard. And even then some when we
started playing in schoolboy cricket and on toward club cricket.
It's really sad that we don't see this anymore. Look,
I get it, it's expensive, it's not cheap to cover
(10:28):
and in some places like Sky, like TV and Z
do you understand why they just won't go there because
I expect it. It's not a ratings dominated sport. Yeah
they've got it online. Yeah you can watch it on YouTube,
but it's just not the same. It's flicking the TV on,
listen to the commentators, getting the scoreboard and getting right
(10:48):
engaged with what was a hero and that was domestic
cricket here in New Zealand. I doubt it'll ever come
back on the TV, but I'll tell you what if
it does. I'm in one hundred percent. Go on, make
it happen.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax's.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Been joined by Liam Napier. He's a writer for New
Zealand here when it comes to sport, and of course
co hosts as well of the Rugby Direct podcast. Great
do you have you in the chamber, mister Napier? I
trust you all. Well.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Great to see dus, Great to be here.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm sorry that we had to start things off with rugby,
but you know you are rugby dude, and I'm sure
we've got an opinion on this. You can almost saying
to Buck Shelford, you'd almost set your watch to this,
couldn't you some Englishman or Welshman or something complaining about
the hakka. It's almost beyond a joke. Do not realize
how stupid they sound.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's a rugby bingo card does every time the All
Blacks go to Twickenham, we're talking about the hacker. And
for that reason, it's a story that puts me to
sleep or makes me yawn or you know, flick the
leg over and not want anything to do with it
because it is a very very tired narrative and the
(12:06):
frustration for me is if you don't understand the cultural significance,
don't comment on.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It, living rent free. And someone said him and this
is a classic case of anything this must torment the
likes of Joe Mahler and everyone else that complaints if
they wake up in a cold sweat and le go
not they coma there hager. It's all like carbo or pungla.
What are we going to do? That's what it says
to me. It says fear, and it says in your
head already, never do any We're not even there yet.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's it. And look, the hucker is part of the
theater of rugby, of sports. And if you think back
to the twenty nineteen World Cup semi final that England
won and they've formed the the V shaped formation that's
set the scene for that English team to have their triumph.
And we've seen countless examples of that. It's a very
(12:56):
integral fabric of the All Blacks stories throughout the years
of the All Blacks having to do the Houcker and
the changing rooms in Cardiff. So look for me. Joe
Marler is not involved and this English team, he's searching
for relevance, searching for to keep his name out there.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Clickbait, clickbait, look.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
At me, hear me? And he since deleted the tweets,
so he clearly didn't like.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think he's deleted his whole account, isn't he. That's it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He didn't like the feedback. So, and that's what happens
when you when you have spoken views in this world.
And you'd know that as much as anyone. We all
know about feedback, don't we. But yeah, I can't get
on board with it. And it's a very very tired narrative.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now. It doesn't almost feel bad bringing it up, but
you know it's there to talk about. So yeah, kind
of well and see and going on about the Thinby
or Sipitaw or the City Tower. I mean, it's not
just New Zealand, right, is it? Because they're not Tier
one nations.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Well, look, put it this way. Should we talk about
Swing Low Sweet Chariot and the origins of that and
how that should be outlawed?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
We could talk all day. There's plenty more as well,
but we just, like part get in the corner and go, yeah, Joe,
you need a new line, you really do. Let's go
to the actual teams itself and that this is the
interesting thing, Like the All Black side is not out yet,
but we know what the English are doing. Marcus Smith.
This guy's a threat.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right, He's a real talent and a very attacking minded
verse five who has come through the ranks in England
and I won't go as far as say change the
game in England, but has reshaped their mindset because they
had a guy like Owen Farrell who was very good
(14:44):
at what he brought to the game, good defensively, great kicker,
good goalkicker. But Marcus Smith brings that ear of unpredictability.
He's got great feet, he's small, he's fast, got very
good vision. So he brings a very different dynamic to
the English game. And we have seen this English team
evolve in recent times and play more rugby and he's
(15:04):
a big part of that.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Well, you said unpredictability, and I think there's a key thing.
Then when you've got a pivot and you're not quite
sure what he's going to do, and you know he
has the skills and the talent to gas you on
the outside, will steep you on the inside, that adds
a bit of flavor to then of course he can
pick off a couple of us very talented wings too
with a deft kick. So it does add an extra
layer to the proceedings and I think we should be
(15:26):
excited by this.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We should. I wouldn't go as far as say this
is a revolution though, because I think we know how
Engler and are going to play. They've named a six
to two bench with six forwards, so the nuts and
bolts of their game are still there. They're still going
to be a set piece orientated, They're still going to
kick a lot, but with Marcus there it does bring
(15:49):
a different dimension. Georgia Ford's on the bench, so very
experienced head, steady hands. A bit of an insurance policy
if things are not going well Marcus Smith and Dunedin
first test for Razor Robinson missed a couple of kicks
off the tee and if he slotted those England would
have won. That was a one point victory for the
All Blacks. So a bit of an insurance policy in
(16:10):
George Ford. But from the outset the All Blacks will
have to be on defensively because of Marcus Smith goes
he can break you open.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
If you want to read more about that, Liam was
all over New Zealand here more of us theories, more
of his ideas climb on board Indyhill dot co dot
ind It's finishing things off with a interesting tale of
Indian basketball. We had hands of this earlier in the peace,
but this has almost come out of nowhere, the fact
that there's suddenly going to be an Indian men's and
(16:40):
an Indian women's team playing in the Sales NBL. What
was instinctive Field when you read that?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What a I remember reading about it a good month
ago and thinking and now that it's coming to fruition.
That's one of the more bizarre stories in New Zealand
sport at the moment. And we've got a lot of
success happening, but this is incredibly intriguing. Why is the question?
Is it about money? Because I did a bit of
(17:06):
reading around the Stars and the Indian Basketball League. It
only really lasted for one year of five on five.
They had a bit of three on three. Then there
was an apparent falling out with the national body and
now there's a bit of legal dispute in the background.
So where is the interest for the New Zealand basketball
public in bringing in an Indian franchise. It doesn't make
(17:29):
a lot of sense on the surface, does it?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, if you're being cynical, you'd say this could be
a cash grab because there's one point four billion bodies
living in India, half of them are under twenty five.
Basketball is a global game, so maybe it's just like
can we tap into this? But i'll tell you what.
It's bringing some interest to sales NBL next season, some
more another level, how far from now? What next?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, that's it and do you risk not killing the
Golden goose? But basketball's having a massive boom in New Zealand,
isn't it? And the NBA is a great example of that.
How much interest is he going to be from, you know,
the nuky public to go along and watch an Indian
team compared to playing one or two. I'm not sure.
Let's see how it plays out, but it's certainly intriguing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, it is the one out of a boxing on
that limb. A Napier sports writer, Rugby specialist, Rugby Direct
podcast co host, Thanks for coming in to the studio.
Great to have you on board.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Great said does.
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