February 4, 2025 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday 5 February 2025, former All Blacks Captain Buck Shelford talks about the revelations that TJ Perenara blindsided the team with his haka against Italy last year.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on NRL preseason v Super Rugby preseason.
Plus, Newstalk ZB sports journalist Nathan Limm joins the panel to discuss the Super Rugby injuries that are mounting.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome on into the Sportsfix. My name's Darcy Walter Grave
and this is there for Wednesday, the fifth of February
twenty twenty five lined up for you. On today's episode,
Sir Wayne at Shelford Buck Shelford joins us to talk
about the revelations around TJ. Pettinata and that Harker or
(00:42):
the mehi that he delivered before his final game up
against the Italians. I've got some opinion for you around
the NRL and their pre season. It's one hundred thousand
dollars competition, but is it really worth it? And Nathan
Limitt joined us in the chambers we debate some of
the big sports stories of the day. That is our
(01:02):
plan of a Wednesday get amongst in other news, Brace yourself.
Here's some vocal sports today. It's vocaled even a word,
it doesn't matter. A major blow for the Blues. With
an all black likely ruled out for the entire Super
Rugby Pacific season. Lock Sam Dowry is said to undergo
(01:24):
surgery after injuring his right shoulder at training last week.
Coach Verncotta says someone fell on during a drill. Really
unfortunate for Sam and Will missing. But then, like we say,
a guy gets injured and you've got Tristan Cookman who's
impressed us through North Harbor.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
He's a big talk player, he can take lineout, dominde lineouts.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know, he's an opportunity for him to step up.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Now from one injury to another.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Cody Taylor admits being slightly eager in preseason has led
to his absence for the Crusaders' opening matches of the
new Super Rugby Pacific season. The veteran All Black hookers
target and return after the team's Round three by after
suffering an injury in pre season. Taylor explains exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
That Keenan came back to training and got all be
hamstring injury. So yeah, just not taking the slow track
but being smart with it all. And yeah, unfortunate, but
better that end of the preseason. Then you know, round
one and be out for a week.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
While the Wedington Phoenix hope to unveil a new import
a league player within a week. The club has been
on the market for an attacking player after a visa
spot opened with David Ball's departure. Coach Jihn Carlo Italiano
acknowledges there have been some delays.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
A bit of a unique case. Probably would have been
done earlier, maybe about a week ago, but when we
were bailed the signing. We'll just make it clear what
the what the scenario.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Was leading a vix We've got just the ticket. It's
Sports Fixed by News Talks IVY.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The Sports Fix now welcomes to the podcast, Sir Wayne
Shelford aka Buck Shelford. Good a Buck, Welcome. I'm very
very well.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I hope you are as well.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Another big story around the Harker is come out around
t J. Pettinara, whether he was speaking for the team,
whether he had permission, should he.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Have done it or not?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I suppose the first question here, should he have asked
permission for what he was what he said as representative
of the entire all Black side.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Well, I think that possibly yes, he should have. But
at the same time, it was his last game in
the Jersey and he decided to get on with it
and do it and you know, say his peace and
then le and behold. You know, the next week he's
in Japan, you know, But you know, at the end
of the day, you know, it's one of the things
(03:49):
we're always fighting for. We're fighting for our real to
be taught in all the schools properly and all this stuff.
And you know, now we've got hakas have been done
in every team in New Zealand basically now he is
doing it in and not all of them are on TV,
but some of them aren't. And I think that, you
know what of a pair of TJ Dunn, you know,
(04:12):
they probably would have ever he would have asked the
players at the management. They would have taken a couple
of months to try and work it all out, and
the PJ probably thought, no, just do it and get
on with them and wait for the consequences.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Blindsided the players not knowing the content of the miki
at the start, and you understand why they might be
Their feathers may be ruffle.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, that could be right. Not our understanding what it's
all about, because it's not there. Well, they're only doing
what they know in regards to the hucker itself and
the calling that goes on by the cloutle is basically
he actually says things that he not not always wants
to say, but he's got a message there to send
out to the people anyway, you know, before he goes
(04:56):
into the haker.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So when it comes to leading the hacker, you represent
everything about that kerl. Like when you stand up the front,
would they mean he at the start? Do you speak
as an individual for the whole? Is that genuinely how
it's seen in Martyr them?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, yes, and though you know you know Mary them
as you know as you can't. We're all different, EWI
from different things. We got different tea kung things like that.
Most of teacnger is different around the country from ee ewe.
And yeah, certain things happen and ewe that we wouldn't
(05:39):
do up where I'm from and things like that. But
it is what it is. And you know, when you
get up and like it, you get up and you're
talking about the treat last year at White Tonguey and
basically these guys up there just just screaming at the
top of their voices and talking and basically ridiculing the
government and things like that. It's a it's a fight
(06:02):
to fight, the fight, you know, for Mary and to
actually get better, better things going for them all stuff
and regards to what the treaty says, yeah and sothing
is I don't think it's to do it there in
a testament. I don't think it's the right place to
do it. If you want to actually talk about it,
go and talk with the politicians. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is there any deception do you think from TJ because
they didn't know?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, I don't know whether there was a deception
or not. I just say if he didn't want to
ask the team, he'd done it for his reasons, which
is probably nothing would get through, would grow, everyone would disagree,
or they would actually be up and down. You know,
fifty persent might say yes and the other fifty say no.
Management probably say no. You know things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Does this strike you, sorry, Buck, it's a little on
the self recite. If he's representing the all Blacks and
a Harker and he believes one thing speaking for everybody,
I'm one hundred cent.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Behind what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But I think that's that's mean to the other players
who didn't know what he was doing and was seen
to buy into it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, Well they brought into it by doing it. But
they were there anyway, they didn't understand. Lot of them
didn't understand what you're saying, but Marty then did and
they probably they would probably recognize what he was talking about,
you know. And for Marty them, you know, that's that's
that's their copep And at the end of the day,
he just ad lived on the day, probably more than
(07:28):
anything else. And I saw it, but I actually wasn't
listening to all he was saying. I was just watching
the hut to herself and then out of the room.
But notwithstanding that, at the end of the day, you know,
we have to start asking permission to do things, you know,
and I think that it would have been the right
way to go, but he just didn't do it. And
(07:52):
a little bit like anyway here he actually standing up
singing the national anthem to the whole of the world
in regards to opening up for a big Test match,
and basically no one knew if she was going to
do it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
In Mary first, it's an essence begging for forgiveness as
opposed to asking for permission.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, I suppose you know, you're right, But at the
end of the day, you know, not everybody likes the
hacker anyway, you know, and sow thing is so at
the end of the day, you know, the upset people
doing it, you know, they get more upset if you
break the protocols of what we're trying to do. Anyway,
Would you have.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Done it but with something that you would have done?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh not really, but at the end of the day,
I would have done something that that. That was probably
you know in my day it was a little bit different.
It was quite different back in our day. We actually
you know, I didn't even speak that illback in those days.
I don't speak a lot now. But you know, to
do that actually always something special. You know, that's something
(08:52):
special New Zealand. And I think keeping it to sound
straight to the point of doing the get on with
it and finish it off and do it well is
what we were after more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
When you started and the Hawker became as it is now,
it wasn't just a shabby dance that no one knew
it was all about, and it suddenly came with with
real meaning for the side.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Did you feel, as the captain.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Though, that everybody had buying, everybody agreed and you were
that reperside.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
There was no pushback at all, no, everyone, and soing
is so back in the early days, probably before my time,
the buy in from the players was not there. They
didn't like bring it if they done it, or if
they were forced to do it. So at the end
of the day, you know, we needed to have buying
from whole of the team and the management. And so
(09:48):
you know, you go along there and your formers get
better and better at it, and now they got their
own hunker. You know, Mary Orbs got their own hunker.
That woman's seems have got their own answers, and it's
grown exponentially. And so as now, this is the following
down the pjay's key jas voice that we don't want
(10:09):
our our kapa hakka quite caught it alread he's saying
different meanings are different things at the start and as
you know, in a little call it all before the
hacker starts.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well he's opened the door for and now hasn't
he Wayne shelf for joining the program? So what about
future use of the Harker for political messages? Is that
something you'd buy into yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
No, not really, it's not the place for it. If
you want you want to talk about political going with
political messages go and talk to the politicians, nail them
after the after the game when you couldn't. That is
always always going to be up in the room where
you are at the end of the day, at the
after Mets fund. So that's the place to do your
messaging is with the politicians then, because they want to
be by you because you've just won a Test match.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Hey, always a pleasure mate, You enjoy yourself as always.
Next for joining us here on ZB.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
So this is Sports Fix, your daily does of sports
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Speaker 2 (11:06):
The NRL gets off to a start on Friday night,
a start of types. No, it's not the start of
the regular season. It's preseason, but it's pre season with
an asterisk.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
What do I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, there's a competition and you could win one hundred
thousand dollars if you win the two game preseason comp
There are a number of parameters put down how you
can score points and how you can best everybody else.
So in essence, there is a whole lot. One hundred
thousand dollars isn't going to break anyone's piggybank, but there
(11:40):
is a whole lot on the line. I suggest with
this it means that the coaches and the teams are
going to put their best foot forward. We're going to
see the best lineups that are available. So these two
preseason games will give us a better idea about the
quality of the new lineups for every team. The problem
(12:01):
here is this, the players and the coaches often complain
about the length of the NRL season. As it is,
it's very long, it's arduous, it breaks players apart, and essentially,
with the pre season Win one hundred Grand competition, they're
adding two more intense rounds to an already intense competition.
(12:24):
If you take the cliche and put the fan at
the center of the room, it makes perfect sense. There
is something on the game. There is proper pre season coverage.
It's not just filmed on a potato. It brings great
momentum moving into the season. For all intents and purposes,
it is the start of the NRL season. The athletes,
(12:44):
when the start actually happens with points on the line,
will already be primed and ready to roll. Also, it
gives the NRL a slight advantage. We knows in front
if you will with serious competition starting a week before
Super Rugby, Pacific gets underway. I'm sure the fans will
be absolutely stoked with this. The NRL gets underway early
(13:07):
in their eye, But is it really good for the
athletes to do more games of intense physical confrontation before
the season even starts.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Let's clamber into the chamber with Nathan Lem sports news journalist,
and then some fort news talk zb.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Nathan, you're good, I'm very well, Dassy.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
How are you, Oh, I'm very good. We've got a
couple of things to talk about. Of course, the story
the day conveniently the day before White tonguey Dame and timings, everything,
isn't it? Gregor Paul writes the story around to TJ.
Pittinara and his his hijacking of the Harker. Is it
a fair thing to say?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
I think it is, given what seems to be a
complete lack of communication over what the actual message was
going to be to his teammates and to the coaches
and the management. It is clear from the story that
not everyone had signed off on what this message was,
and that to the extent that they knew, it was
a message of unity. Now, if they're not united in
(14:14):
that message because they are, at the end of the
day presenting it as a team. If they aren't united
and yes, we're all going to put forward this message.
It's not a message of unity from the All Blacks,
it's a message from TJ. And it's TJ's take.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Is that deception to a degree? Did he deceive his
teammates by not telling them exactly what he's going to do?
Is it that harsh? I can't.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I mean, look, we don't know exactly what was said.
TJ hasn't spoken about it, and New Zealand Rugby haven't
commented on it. So this is, you know, there's an
element of speculation here from the rest of us. But
the fact that they aren't talking about it, and the
fact that they're not clarifying that actually, yes, all this
was communicated, would indicate that, yes, there was an element
of deception because clearly that they weren't all on the
(14:57):
same page. Otherwise they'd be presenting a very clear message
about this, and both TJ and nzdre have declined to comment.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
When you've got a situation like okay, as you mentioned before,
representing the team, he is not representing himself. I've got
no problem with rugby players politicizing what they do. I
get that, but not as they represent the entire team.
Some guys they're going, no, no, no, it's not what
I signed up for. And I think that's the grating
(15:26):
thing here. And the fact that Robertson and Barrett came
out at the end of the game says no, no,
it's all good, everything's fine here, nothing to see but
over the top, because plainly that wasn't the case.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Well, TJ isn't just representing the team, He's representing the country.
That is what happens when you pull on in All
Blacks Jersey. You are speaking to another nation from all
of us. That is the reality. And if there wasn't
even unity in the team over this message, then it
probably something that shouldn't have been said at that point.
On that stage, TJ can think whatever he likes and
(15:56):
say whatever he likes on his own platform, but it
is using a platform that actually isn't his. It belongs
to everyone, into all of us, and there should be
an agreement over how that is used within the Blacks itself.
Not everyone in New Zealand's going to agree on everything.
But I think with something of this nature that was
obviously dividing people in New Zealand to a certain extent,
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there needed to be unity within the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
What about the whole thing having a hissy fit? If
you don't let me do it, I'm not going to
lead the Harker. What are you going to do? Now?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
That's even more it was not a bad look because
that would have created even more of a thing if
they pulled them from the team and said, no, you
can't lead the Hardker, you can't play and exactly well,
it shows. It just goes to show what who's actually
in charge, who's calling the shots? And TJ I guess
if he didn't actually tell many people about this until
just before the game. He sort of put them on
(16:47):
the spot, didn't he, And he sort of made forced
them into a decision. Well, we're going to have to
either pull him and it'll look really bad, or we
just let it go ahead and try and weather whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Any worse though, what was the worst option? And that's
what they're going to do.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
They're going to weigh it up.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
They're going, right, do we come down on like a
ton of bricks and we just walked to one side
and let it go. I suppose they thought the damage
control would be the better.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
But the fact, but the fact that they were put
into that position where it was one or the other,
and they were choosing between two options that both of
which could have pretty bad consequences I guess for the
All Blacks brand, and they were effectively put into this
position by a player doesn't speak how really very strongly
about the strength of leadership in terms of who is
(17:30):
actually calling the shots within that group.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Let's move away from that. They'll move to broken players,
as is always pre season. This is the way it goes.
Do you think they sit down at the start the
other whiteboard and go, we're going to lose five percent
of our players for the first two to eight weeks.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
We're good with that because it's almost traditional.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Yeah, it's strange because it's sort of like it's rugby, right,
so you expect there to be injuries. But to have
this level of injury at this point in the season
when they're supposed to be coming off a break, they're
supposed to be all refreshed, you know, it's concerning and
it does raise questions about I guess the that maybe
the training method are We've been too harsh on the
(18:10):
players too early.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
We don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Jamie Macintosh, the assistant coach that the hurricane, said something
really interesting yesterday actually about how they said they're being
really cautious or they're changing their approach to how they
reintroduce All Blacks to Super Rugby Pacific, because although the
majority of the players have been training for seven weeks
of pre season, the All Blacks have actually only come
in in the last couple of years. They are not
battle hardened. The Super Rugby starts next Friday, so to
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go from doing nothing to being straight into full contact
professional rugby within a couple of weeks, you've got to
expect that that's going to be quite hard on the bodies.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Exact think no, no, But that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Jamie Macintosh said that they actually feel like they're under
pressure to play the All Blacks in these early fixtures
because at the end of the day, they're the reason
that the people come out to watch. They come out
to see the stars, and so the All Blacks have
got this really limited window of preparation time and then
they're thrown in because actually they're the attraction for audience
for TV viewers and it means that yes, you are
(19:08):
going to get these situations where all blacks get injured
and that's that is to be expected. So should we
either push the start of Super Rugby for it. I
don't know if that's possible with the scheduling and everything
like that, or do we just have to take the
expectation of maybe we shouldn't be playing all blacks in
the first couple of weeks of the competition, and.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
The all blacks come back and they ease into it
and they don't go at one hundred percent. What happens
when you play you're not going one hundred percent, you
probably open yourself up to injury even more exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
So it is an interesting conundrum for the coaches to negotiate,
I suppose, especially with management and with the Super Rugby
sext himself, because they want to sell the product. But
there's got to be a bouncing out. These players are
not machines. They need to be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
These players need to be machines. What's going wrong? Oh
we need droids, we need ai what's going this day
and age?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Enough?
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome on into the Sportsfix. My name's Darcy Walter Grave
and this is there for Wednesday, the fifth of February
twenty twenty five lined up for you. On today's episode,
Sir Wayne at Shelford Buck Shelford joins us to talk
about the revelations around TJ. Pettinata and that Harker or
(00:42):
the mehi that he delivered before his final game up
against the Italians. I've got some opinion for you around
the NRL and their pre season. It's one hundred thousand
dollars competition, but is it really worth it? And Nathan
Limitt joined us in the chambers we debate some of
the big sports stories of the day. That is our
(01:02):
plan of a Wednesday get amongst in other news, Brace yourself.
Here's some vocal sports today. It's vocaled even a word,
it doesn't matter. A major blow for the Blues. With
an all black likely ruled out for the entire Super
Rugby Pacific season. Lock Sam Dowry is said to undergo
(01:24):
surgery after injuring his right shoulder at training last week.
Coach Verncotta says someone fell on during a drill. Really
unfortunate for Sam and Will missing. But then, like we say,
a guy gets injured and you've got Tristan Cookman who's
impressed us through North Harbor.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
He's a big talk player, he can take lineout, dominde lineouts.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know, he's an opportunity for him to step up.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Now from one injury to another.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Cody Taylor admits being slightly eager in preseason has led
to his absence for the Crusaders' opening matches of the
new Super Rugby Pacific season. The veteran All Black hookers
target and return after the team's Round three by after
suffering an injury in pre season. Taylor explains exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
That Keenan came back to training and got all be
hamstring injury. So yeah, just not taking the slow track
but being smart with it all. And yeah, unfortunate, but
better that end of the preseason. Then you know, round
one and be out for a week.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
While the Wedington Phoenix hope to unveil a new import
a league player within a week. The club has been
on the market for an attacking player after a visa
spot opened with David Ball's departure. Coach Jihn Carlo Italiano
acknowledges there have been some delays.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
A bit of a unique case. Probably would have been
done earlier, maybe about a week ago, but when we
were bailed the signing. We'll just make it clear what
the what the scenario.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Was leading a vix We've got just the ticket. It's
Sports Fixed by News Talks IVY.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The Sports Fix now welcomes to the podcast, Sir Wayne
Shelford aka Buck Shelford. Good a Buck, Welcome. I'm very
very well.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I hope you are as well.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Another big story around the Harker is come out around
t J. Pettinara, whether he was speaking for the team,
whether he had permission, should he.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Have done it or not?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I suppose the first question here, should he have asked
permission for what he was what he said as representative
of the entire all Black side.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Well, I think that possibly yes, he should have. But
at the same time, it was his last game in
the Jersey and he decided to get on with it
and do it and you know, say his peace and
then le and behold. You know, the next week he's
in Japan, you know, But you know, at the end
of the day, you know, it's one of the things
(03:49):
we're always fighting for. We're fighting for our real to
be taught in all the schools properly and all this stuff.
And you know, now we've got hakas have been done
in every team in New Zealand basically now he is
doing it in and not all of them are on TV,
but some of them aren't. And I think that, you
know what of a pair of TJ Dunn, you know,
(04:12):
they probably would have ever he would have asked the
players at the management. They would have taken a couple
of months to try and work it all out, and
the PJ probably thought, no, just do it and get
on with them and wait for the consequences.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Blindsided the players not knowing the content of the miki
at the start, and you understand why they might be
Their feathers may be ruffle.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, that could be right. Not our understanding what it's
all about, because it's not there. Well, they're only doing
what they know in regards to the hucker itself and
the calling that goes on by the cloutle is basically
he actually says things that he not not always wants
to say, but he's got a message there to send
out to the people anyway, you know, before he goes
(04:56):
into the haker.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So when it comes to leading the hacker, you represent
everything about that kerl. Like when you stand up the front,
would they mean he at the start? Do you speak
as an individual for the whole? Is that genuinely how
it's seen in Martyr them?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, yes, and though you know you know Mary them
as you know as you can't. We're all different, EWI
from different things. We got different tea kung things like that.
Most of teacnger is different around the country from ee ewe.
And yeah, certain things happen and ewe that we wouldn't
(05:39):
do up where I'm from and things like that. But
it is what it is. And you know, when you
get up and like it, you get up and you're
talking about the treat last year at White Tonguey and
basically these guys up there just just screaming at the
top of their voices and talking and basically ridiculing the
government and things like that. It's a it's a fight
(06:02):
to fight, the fight, you know, for Mary and to
actually get better, better things going for them all stuff
and regards to what the treaty says, yeah and sothing
is I don't think it's to do it there in
a testament. I don't think it's the right place to
do it. If you want to actually talk about it,
go and talk with the politicians. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is there any deception do you think from TJ because
they didn't know?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, I don't know whether there was a deception
or not. I just say if he didn't want to
ask the team, he'd done it for his reasons, which
is probably nothing would get through, would grow, everyone would disagree,
or they would actually be up and down. You know,
fifty persent might say yes and the other fifty say no.
Management probably say no. You know things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Does this strike you, sorry, Buck, it's a little on
the self recite. If he's representing the all Blacks and
a Harker and he believes one thing speaking for everybody,
I'm one hundred cent.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Behind what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But I think that's that's mean to the other players
who didn't know what he was doing and was seen
to buy into it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, Well they brought into it by doing it. But
they were there anyway, they didn't understand. Lot of them
didn't understand what you're saying, but Marty then did and
they probably they would probably recognize what he was talking about,
you know. And for Marty them, you know, that's that's
that's their copep And at the end of the day,
he just ad lived on the day, probably more than
(07:28):
anything else. And I saw it, but I actually wasn't
listening to all he was saying. I was just watching
the hut to herself and then out of the room.
But notwithstanding that, at the end of the day, you know,
we have to start asking permission to do things, you know,
and I think that it would have been the right
way to go, but he just didn't do it. And
(07:52):
a little bit like anyway here he actually standing up
singing the national anthem to the whole of the world
in regards to opening up for a big Test match,
and basically no one knew if she was going to
do it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
In Mary first, it's an essence begging for forgiveness as
opposed to asking for permission.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, I suppose you know, you're right, But at the
end of the day, you know, not everybody likes the
hacker anyway, you know, and sow thing is so at
the end of the day, you know, the upset people
doing it, you know, they get more upset if you
break the protocols of what we're trying to do. Anyway,
Would you have.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Done it but with something that you would have done?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh not really, but at the end of the day,
I would have done something that that. That was probably
you know in my day it was a little bit different.
It was quite different back in our day. We actually
you know, I didn't even speak that illback in those days.
I don't speak a lot now. But you know, to
do that actually always something special. You know, that's something
(08:52):
special New Zealand. And I think keeping it to sound
straight to the point of doing the get on with
it and finish it off and do it well is
what we were after more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
When you started and the Hawker became as it is now,
it wasn't just a shabby dance that no one knew
it was all about, and it suddenly came with with
real meaning for the side.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Did you feel, as the captain.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Though, that everybody had buying, everybody agreed and you were
that reperside.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
There was no pushback at all, no, everyone, and soing
is so back in the early days, probably before my time,
the buy in from the players was not there. They
didn't like bring it if they done it, or if
they were forced to do it. So at the end
of the day, you know, we needed to have buying
from whole of the team and the management. And so
(09:48):
you know, you go along there and your formers get
better and better at it, and now they got their
own hunker. You know, Mary Orbs got their own hunker.
That woman's seems have got their own answers, and it's
grown exponentially. And so as now, this is the following
down the pjay's key jas voice that we don't want
(10:09):
our our kapa hakka quite caught it alread he's saying
different meanings are different things at the start and as
you know, in a little call it all before the
hacker starts.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well he's opened the door for and now hasn't
he Wayne shelf for joining the program? So what about
future use of the Harker for political messages? Is that
something you'd buy into yourself?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
No, not really, it's not the place for it. If
you want you want to talk about political going with
political messages go and talk to the politicians, nail them
after the after the game when you couldn't. That is
always always going to be up in the room where
you are at the end of the day, at the
after Mets fund. So that's the place to do your
messaging is with the politicians then, because they want to
be by you because you've just won a Test match.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Hey, always a pleasure mate, You enjoy yourself as always.
Next for joining us here on ZB.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
So this is Sports Fix, your daily does of sports
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Speaker 2 (11:06):
The NRL gets off to a start on Friday night,
a start of types. No, it's not the start of
the regular season. It's preseason, but it's pre season with
an asterisk.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
What do I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, there's a competition and you could win one hundred
thousand dollars if you win the two game preseason comp
There are a number of parameters put down how you
can score points and how you can best everybody else.
So in essence, there is a whole lot. One hundred
thousand dollars isn't going to break anyone's piggybank, but there
(11:40):
is a whole lot on the line. I suggest with
this it means that the coaches and the teams are
going to put their best foot forward. We're going to
see the best lineups that are available. So these two
preseason games will give us a better idea about the
quality of the new lineups for every team. The problem
(12:01):
here is this, the players and the coaches often complain
about the length of the NRL season. As it is,
it's very long, it's arduous, it breaks players apart, and essentially,
with the pre season Win one hundred Grand competition, they're
adding two more intense rounds to an already intense competition.
(12:24):
If you take the cliche and put the fan at
the center of the room, it makes perfect sense. There
is something on the game. There is proper pre season coverage.
It's not just filmed on a potato. It brings great
momentum moving into the season. For all intents and purposes,
it is the start of the NRL season. The athletes,
(12:44):
when the start actually happens with points on the line,
will already be primed and ready to roll. Also, it
gives the NRL a slight advantage. We knows in front
if you will with serious competition starting a week before
Super Rugby, Pacific gets underway. I'm sure the fans will
be absolutely stoked with this. The NRL gets underway early
(13:07):
in their eye, But is it really good for the
athletes to do more games of intense physical confrontation before
the season even starts.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Let's clamber into the chamber with Nathan Lem sports news journalist,
and then some fort news talk zb.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Nathan, you're good, I'm very well, Dassy.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
How are you, Oh, I'm very good. We've got a
couple of things to talk about. Of course, the story
the day conveniently the day before White tonguey Dame and timings, everything,
isn't it? Gregor Paul writes the story around to TJ.
Pittinara and his his hijacking of the Harker. Is it
a fair thing to say?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
I think it is, given what seems to be a
complete lack of communication over what the actual message was
going to be to his teammates and to the coaches
and the management. It is clear from the story that
not everyone had signed off on what this message was,
and that to the extent that they knew, it was
a message of unity. Now, if they're not united in
(14:14):
that message because they are, at the end of the
day presenting it as a team. If they aren't united
and yes, we're all going to put forward this message.
It's not a message of unity from the All Blacks,
it's a message from TJ. And it's TJ's take.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Is that deception to a degree? Did he deceive his
teammates by not telling them exactly what he's going to do?
Is it that harsh? I can't.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I mean, look, we don't know exactly what was said.
TJ hasn't spoken about it, and New Zealand Rugby haven't
commented on it. So this is, you know, there's an
element of speculation here from the rest of us. But
the fact that they aren't talking about it, and the
fact that they're not clarifying that actually, yes, all this
was communicated, would indicate that, yes, there was an element
of deception because clearly that they weren't all on the
(14:57):
same page. Otherwise they'd be presenting a very clear message
about this, and both TJ and nzdre have declined to comment.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
When you've got a situation like okay, as you mentioned before,
representing the team, he is not representing himself. I've got
no problem with rugby players politicizing what they do. I
get that, but not as they represent the entire team.
Some guys they're going, no, no, no, it's not what
I signed up for. And I think that's the grating
(15:26):
thing here. And the fact that Robertson and Barrett came
out at the end of the game says no, no,
it's all good, everything's fine here, nothing to see but
over the top, because plainly that wasn't the case.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Well, TJ isn't just representing the team, He's representing the country.
That is what happens when you pull on in All
Blacks Jersey. You are speaking to another nation from all
of us. That is the reality. And if there wasn't
even unity in the team over this message, then it
probably something that shouldn't have been said at that point.
On that stage, TJ can think whatever he likes and
(15:56):
say whatever he likes on his own platform, but it
is using a platform that actually isn't his. It belongs
to everyone, into all of us, and there should be
an agreement over how that is used within the Blacks itself.
Not everyone in New Zealand's going to agree on everything.
But I think with something of this nature that was
obviously dividing people in New Zealand to a certain extent,
(16:17):
there needed to be unity within the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
What about the whole thing having a hissy fit? If
you don't let me do it, I'm not going to
lead the Harker. What are you going to do? Now?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
That's even more it was not a bad look because
that would have created even more of a thing if
they pulled them from the team and said, no, you
can't lead the Hardker, you can't play and exactly well,
it shows. It just goes to show what who's actually
in charge, who's calling the shots? And TJ I guess
if he didn't actually tell many people about this until
just before the game. He sort of put them on
(16:47):
the spot, didn't he, And he sort of made forced
them into a decision. Well, we're going to have to
either pull him and it'll look really bad, or we
just let it go ahead and try and weather whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Any worse though, what was the worst option? And that's
what they're going to do.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
They're going to weigh it up.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
They're going, right, do we come down on like a
ton of bricks and we just walked to one side
and let it go. I suppose they thought the damage
control would be the better.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
But the fact, but the fact that they were put
into that position where it was one or the other,
and they were choosing between two options that both of
which could have pretty bad consequences I guess for the
All Blacks brand, and they were effectively put into this
position by a player doesn't speak how really very strongly
about the strength of leadership in terms of who is
(17:30):
actually calling the shots within that group.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Let's move away from that. They'll move to broken players,
as is always pre season. This is the way it goes.
Do you think they sit down at the start the
other whiteboard and go, we're going to lose five percent
of our players for the first two to eight weeks.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
We're good with that because it's almost traditional.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Yeah, it's strange because it's sort of like it's rugby, right,
so you expect there to be injuries. But to have
this level of injury at this point in the season
when they're supposed to be coming off a break, they're
supposed to be all refreshed, you know, it's concerning and
it does raise questions about I guess the that maybe
the training method are We've been too harsh on the
(18:10):
players too early.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
We don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Jamie Macintosh, the assistant coach that the hurricane, said something
really interesting yesterday actually about how they said they're being
really cautious or they're changing their approach to how they
reintroduce All Blacks to Super Rugby Pacific, because although the
majority of the players have been training for seven weeks
of pre season, the All Blacks have actually only come
in in the last couple of years. They are not
battle hardened. The Super Rugby starts next Friday, so to
(18:35):
go from doing nothing to being straight into full contact
professional rugby within a couple of weeks, you've got to
expect that that's going to be quite hard on the bodies.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Exact think no, no, But that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Jamie Macintosh said that they actually feel like they're under
pressure to play the All Blacks in these early fixtures
because at the end of the day, they're the reason
that the people come out to watch. They come out
to see the stars, and so the All Blacks have
got this really limited window of preparation time and then
they're thrown in because actually they're the attraction for audience
for TV viewers and it means that yes, you are
(19:08):
going to get these situations where all blacks get injured
and that's that is to be expected. So should we
either push the start of Super Rugby for it. I
don't know if that's possible with the scheduling and everything
like that, or do we just have to take the
expectation of maybe we shouldn't be playing all blacks in
the first couple of weeks of the competition, and.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
The all blacks come back and they ease into it
and they don't go at one hundred percent. What happens
when you play you're not going one hundred percent, you
probably open yourself up to injury even more exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
So it is an interesting conundrum for the coaches to negotiate,
I suppose, especially with management and with the Super Rugby
sext himself, because they want to sell the product. But
there's got to be a bouncing out. These players are
not machines. They need to be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
These players need to be machines. What's going wrong? Oh
we need droids, we need ai what's going this day
and age?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Enough?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
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Speaker 2 (20:02):
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(20:44):
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